wowhead-feedback-support

[thick fox]

tbc database

also i posted this 5 days ago and it should be a fairly easy fix

[jagged siren]

Since Shadowlands, level ranges for maps changed for almost all maps. And mobs' levels are scaled between associated zone's level ranges. Health pools scales accordingly. This might be the reason for why they dont appear on Wowhead.

[plucky fractal]

i don't think they're talking about Retail, vs Classic
they're asking why Regular Classic and The Burning Crusade Classic is differently labeled/missing information
Changes in Retail won't change anything with those set versions as far as i know

[jagged siren]

Ahh my bad, didn't see the classic database tag, sorry

[potent fog]

yeah retail wasn't on the equation there

[thorn arrow]

Cant you turn off Today in WoW and Dispatches From the Maw on wowhead? It is annoying when you have to scroll down until news. I only want wow news else nothing more. They take too much space like waste.

[swift quest]

none of the links in the recent rbg guide work https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowlands-guide-to-rated-battlegrounds-324749?webhook

all 404s

[crystal olive]

fixing it

[crystal olive]

should be working now

[swift quest]

yup no 404s now

just skimming through and spotted typo https://www.wowhead.com/guides/how-to-base-sit-rated-battlegrounds-rbg-guide

[next sail]

what's this?

[thick lark]

Basically, your browser tried to access wowhead and failed

Specifically it tried to access the server where wowhead hosts their images and what not

It failed, likely a random isp issue

[rustic whale]

Yep, i feel like it's intentional.

Is there a way to get WoWhead notifications when someone replies to your comment?

[peak chasm]

@here - where can I find the phase 6 bis pages for all classes (not SoM)?

[fervent basin]

why is it hung up on this?

I am logged in on the website

OK never mind I had to quit and open a different client and now it works.

shame I can't just do that for all my outdated addons

[gentle agate]

Anyone know If i add a discord webhook for in devlopment and Retail wow news that it will double post or not?

[viscid heart]

it will

the ones that are in both

[gentle agate]

Np ty for the reply 🙂 hopefully in future there are options for PTR and retail without the added on news

[modern jolt]

Not sure if anyone's ever mentioned this before. But whenever a news post has the comments locked, the bottom navigation, footer, and everything that would typically come below the comments, won't render at all. Someone's misplaced a closing bracket somewhere.

Happens in Chrome, Chrome (Incognito), Firefox, and Firefox (Private Browsing)

[hardy bloom]

So that’s what’s happening

Yeah this is 100% a thing, both on desktop and mobile

[teal dragon]

Being looked into, it doesn't happen to me while logged in to my account... is it happening to you while logged into yours?

[modern jolt]

yep, logged in and logged out

both with and without browser extensions

@teal dragon desktop recording if it helps

[teal dragon]

Thanks @modern jolt I've passed it along. 🙂

[modern jolt]

np

[nova minnow]

In the facebook title it says the glyph is added in 9.1.5? Does this mean we can use it already or is this a mistake?

[crystal olive]

def a mistake

fixed the facebook post

[plucky fractal]

Hello! I would like to change my name on wowhead, how can i do that?

[crude urchin]

Please send an email to [e-mail] from the email address associated with your account.

[plucky fractal]

👌

[open maple]

hey wowhead team - could you add in your "today in wow" section the transmogg rewards for korthia dailys ?
--> like today (EU) 2 "redeemed" and 1 "radiant" transmogg rewards from korthia venthyr dailys !

(turn off auto turn-in or you get a useless doublet! turn in -> learn -> turn in -> learn)
❤️

[orchid citrus]

hey, we've considered doing this in the past but initially decided against it, as even if the transmog is up for a day, it is still only a chance of getting it as a quest reward (as it becomes one of the possible rewards). I'll bring it up again, as I think it might be more reliable now that you can swap covenants freely 🙂

[thick fox]

are you guys still reading what was said above? i posted two separate things but haven't gotten a reply about it, and they're still issues

[crystal olive]

We do read it, but it is Thanksgiving week, so it will take longer for those to be solved as they aren't critical

[plucky fractal]

Hello! How long it usually take for wowhead to answer on email to "[e-mail]"?
I know impatience is not cool thing but i just wonder for an average time as it was about 2 days ago.

[viscid heart]

its weekend

and its a american holiday

[hardy bloom]

Normally takes a few days, but those 2 days probably don’t start until Monday

[plucky fractal]

yeah i meant i sent it 2 days ago, which was 2 days away from weekend 😄

[plucky fractal]

i understand

thanks for both answers.

[hardy bloom]

Thanksgiving

So start counting once Monday comes

[plucky fractal]

yep i understand 🙂

[fringe fable]

Where did the tracker for the Nightfae Star Lake Ampitheatre go?

[crystal olive]

if it isn't showing up, that means no one has uploaded information about it with the wowhead client

[fringe fable]

gotcha, cheers

[summer terrace]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=1925/defias-rapier this should be marked no longer obtainable, dropped from deadmines mobs who were removed from the game

[tawdry jewel]

Idk if im in the right place to ask but what does this mean

[errant pecan]

The UI in-game bugged out, probably from a crash-related improper shutdown. Hit Reload UI, then close the game and open it again

[tawdry jewel]

Okiee ty

[hardy bloom]

no - its a config error actually

they tried to hotfix the murloc backpack

it didnt work

either way, wrong channel

[errant pecan]

noted ty o7

[civic stone]

Heya, 2 things 🙂
1, Quest 25443 is still in game and can be completed just have to abandon the normal version (wowhead has it listed as removed)
2, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to filter quests to show Obsolete and removed quests :/ the "available to players" filter doesnt seem to do anything

[rustic whale]

What is up with all of the important new posts not being allowed to discourse on?

[hardy bloom]

because it ends up being filled with toxicity which is a pain to moderate

[wraith quail]

anyone know a way to view the old phase 1,2,3,4,5,6 wow classic bis guides?

seems like they got deleted

[gentle burrow]

In the last few days I've run more and more in to full-screen pop-up ads on PC and mobile. Today I've had ads like in the screenshot that !can't be closed! These ads make the site entirely usable and require a full page reload in hopes of not getting another ad.

The full screen popups on PC simply result in more people using adblock and you getting no revenue at all. They are far too much and the mobile ad is just extreme.

Why would you implement an ad that can't be closed and blocks your own site from being used? Do you think people will buy premium if you make your site unusable otherwise?

[viscid heart]

You may or may not know, wowhead doesn't select the adds you see.

[gentle burrow]

They may not have control over the content of ad (Ford, Kellogs or Raid shadowlegends), but they have control over the type of ads they implement into their site. Be it banner ads, videos or full screen unclosable ads like the one above. If wowhead would not want a full size popup ad on their site, there would not be a full size popup ad on their site.

The ad can't be closed on mobile. This is wowheads responsibility. Their site being unusable unless you load it again, can't be in their interest.

[kind verge]

Don't get me wrong, but this is mostly a combined resolution problem. I've had that exact same ad this morning and was able to close it. I saw the X in the top right corner and was able to scroll up a bit

[gentle burrow]

My screen resolution is 2960x1440, unlikely that my resolution is too low to fit the X.

I wasn't able to zoom in/out or scroll up/down, as the ad itself was intractable with a swipe-gimmick. Had another ad later without any interactive elements, but could not swipe or zoom there either.

The ad simply always snaps to fill the whole screen estate.

Great ad implementation.

I have no problem supporting sites, but ads like these are the reason people use adblock.

[muted lily]

Wowhead became unusable in the last few days with those adds. Keep doing that and you will run everyone away from your site. I am a software developer and I'm flabbergasted that no one tested this first and after feedback is given apparently they are still not disabled. Please for the love of God, do something.

[stoic acorn]

Until somebody that has seen those ads reports them, nothing can be done. You can report advertising issues by hitting the feedback button in the menu and selecting "advertising issues"as the reason. That will automatically send a list of the last 10(?) ads that that specific browser was shown in with the feedback. Hopefully the problematic ads are in that list and the staff will be able to track it down.

Of course you can also buy Wowhead Premium and both get rid of all ads on the site, as well as directly support them 😉

[kind verge]

I've tested more ads, and some of them, in fact, can't be closed. This is being worked on, thanks for the reports @gentle burrow

[gentle burrow]

the ads that are played out to me over the last days are a very good reason to never buy wowhead premium, as implementing ads like this voids any motivation i would have to support the website operators. as be the reason i have enabled adblock on the PC site which i had disabled for over a year now

implementing full-site popups into your website is nothing but disrespectful to your users

[crystal olive]

That's not how ads work. Ads are serviced by third party companies and not implemented by us. We are investigating the issues being serviced to your demographic.

[gentle burrow]

You want to tell me that wowhead has no oversight over the type of ad (banner, video, popup) that is played out on their website?

A third party modifies the site layout to facilitate ad space?

[viscid heart]

there is a big difference between what you wantand what they push on you sometimes. there are either bad advertisers pushing crap out or

a add is javascript, not html

so if the add provider doesnt do its job of filtering the stuff

"i am totally a banner, trust me dude"

full site popup

crap, real crap

[crystal olive]

We do have oversight on the type of ads yes. But what you're experiencing isn't an issue with that. You're having a bad actor advertiser that is abusing something in the ad chain to make their ads misbehave like you're seeing.

[viscid heart]

but sadly the truth

[gentle burrow]

Even when those ads could be closed, they are still full screen overlays. You have full-screen popup ads on the PC website too for the last week i'd say. Droptown from the top of the site, dimming the whole page below it dark.

It's hard for me to believe that this new type of ad appears on the site without you greenlighting it.

Anyway, as long as those ads are being played out, adblock is back on. Full site popups in 2021 are the lowest of lows, that stuff was gone on every serious website years ago for good reasons.

[teal dragon]

We are not intentionally serving full-page ads, we'll be investigating next week but in the meantime we've disabled the ad provider on mobile that we believe is serving those types of ads. Thank you.

[gentle burrow]

Thank you for disabling those ads on mobile. Attached is a screenshot of the full-screen pop-up on desktop, which is imo just as bad. I've also reported it as an advertising issue with the site-tool.

I have no issues with banner ads, integrated videos or the like. Ads blocking content are unacceptable tho.

[twilit helm]

If you click that small ❎ icon on the ad it's usually going away.

[thick fox]

https://classic.wowhead.com/item=20514/abyssal-signet the link to the rep guide in the description is broken here, its a link to editing the guide whcih only the author can do :D

https://classic.wowhead.com/guide=edit&id=10178#summoning-abyssal-templars-dukes-and-royals-in-silithus
vs just https://classic.wowhead.com/guide=10178

[lucid hill]

This article has the affixes the wrong way around https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-great-push-season-2-proving-grounds-have-begun-earn-your-tormented-banner-325173 Plaguefall is Fort, Sang and Necro not Mists.

@rich wyvern

[crystal olive]

fixed

[crystal olive]

fixed

[civic stone]

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=25443/the-name-never-spoken

This is still in game

[orchid citrus]

We'll send it to the devs to get it fixed, but just as a general thing, we pull that kind of quest data from Blizzard themselves and it's usually automatically filled out whether the quest is available or not

Maybe that version is deprecated but there is a different quest with the exact same name, https://www.wowhead.com/quest=25412/the-name-never-spoken

[civic stone]

Hmmm, Ive been told that "This quest is no longer available" is added by wowhead
but "Blizzard had marked this quest as obsolete was from them

[orchid citrus]

mhm

[civic stone]

both versions are still in game, Ive completed both of my character recently
the one you sent is the main version offered by the NPC summoned by the previous quest, but that NPC leaves quickly as its summoned, if you abandon the main version and head back to tyrus he offers the 2nd version

[orchid citrus]

I see. It will be fixed, thanks for the report 🙂

[civic stone]

🙂 Thanks

[obsidian garden]

might want to fix this? 🙂 https://www.wowhead.com/news/legion-timewalking-now-live-return-of-the-mage-tower-and-6-legion-mythic-325214

[teal dragon]

**FYI: ** Wowhead Webhook notifications are not currently working due to AWS outage(s). They should catch up once services are restored. Thank you.

[edgy parrot]

Would it be possible to add an option to see the Phase 6 BiS list again?
In classic Era we dont care much about the P1 list and since the P6 list dissapeared it has been a bit hard to find good sources for the BiS items.

[sonic hull]

anyone know why my addons wont work for classic wow? i've tried almost everything I can think of

[rancid copper]

#classic-wow

[hardy bloom]

News post says 9.2 hot fixes, should be 9.1.5

[gusty thicket]

Might be a weird flex question but is there someone who has gotten the mount from mage tower yet? Just finished and wondering if im the first one and if thats something that wowhead would care about xd

[rancid copper]

I've seen a couple floating around the tower for a few hours

[gusty thicket]

RIP too slow i suppose

[tardy pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/X1wRu8r.png

TBC Spell Haste orange gem listed as Phase 1, shows up filtering by Phase 2.

https://tbc.wowhead.com/item=35316/reckless-noble-topaz#taught-by-item

Page for it also shows as added in Phase 1

Not in the game yet, likely not until Phase 5.

Also probably mentioned before but you cant use ring enchants in the TBC gear planner

[analog remnant]

im not sure if this iis the right place to submit this kind of issue, but the legacy frost mage artifact challenge guide links to the arcane mage tower guide, not the frost one.

[crystal olive]

fixed

[rustic whale]

Why lock the article about the stereotypes? 😦
It’s a neutral topic yeah?

[plucky fractal]

not at all

and regardless of the potential neutrality of a topic, there's always going to be someone who creates a conflict

[rustic whale]

Oh. I don’t see it that way.
Wait so why not just remove the comment section all together?

[misty terrace]

Hey, i've got the wowhead client installed, recently my characters have not been updating on the website with quest progression, or even new characters i've made, are not showing up on the quest completion tracker. seems to have started like 6 days ago

(classic)

[hardy bloom]

it doesnt match existing troll lore

it very clearly makes zekhan seem uneducated

zekhan has too much experience to be uneducated

also the goblin criticisms are also valid

not to mention all of the other lore mistakes

the book is a sloppy mess

it is racist tho

zekhan was shown to be educated in before the storm

he was educated enough to be assigned to the zandalari as an envoy

goblins risk presenting jewish stereotypes and they didnt do anything to avoid that

[crisp heart]

It is dangerously problematic to associate the written word with intelligence and education. That kind of rhetoric was used against indigenous cultures. Intelligence and education is NOT solely defined by the written word. Thereby, Mrpeach's argument and Wowhead's by extension is defining people as "stupid" or "uneducated" based on WESTERN understandings of education. This is not, and has never been, the case in World of Warcraft or in real life. Some peoples do not value written text as a primary part of one's education, and that's OK.

The least you can do is acknowledge what was put forward.

[hardy bloom]

what im saying is that zekhan would know the word erosion

[crisp heart]

Did you read what was posted?

[hardy bloom]

did you read the sample from the book?

[crisp heart]

Different cultures use different words to describe processes. Some cultures have dozens of words used to describe different types of snow, whereas some cultures have no words to describe it at all. Just because he did not know the word "erosion" does not mean that he does not understand the concept of which it entails. He likely just uses a different word to describe the process.

[hardy bloom]

it reads like slave text man

it reads like a white person writing about a slave in the 1800s

its vile

[crisp heart]

You're characterizing it with no qualifications.

[hardy bloom]

ignore the warcraft context

IT SHOULDNT NEED QUALIFIERS

[crisp heart]

If you want to have an adult discussion, read what was posted on each point in response to Wowhead's articles.

[hardy bloom]

if you need qualifiers to NOT be racist, then you are racist

[crisp heart]

You didn't even take the time to read what was said.

[hardy bloom]

i did'

i think youre wrong

[crisp heart]

Okay, so why do you say that?

On the example of erosion.

[errant pecan]

Girls, stop fighting, you're both pretty and this isn't the place for it

[limber pivot]

Plz go to a vc for this shit.

[crisp heart]

Why was the presented evidence invalid to you on counterpoint?

[hardy bloom]

this is the wrong channel and honestly i dont care to have this argument

have your thoughts

i have better things to do

[crisp heart]

That's okay. I happen to agree with the large post post above that was made in critique of what was being asserted by the writers at Wowhead. I will not continue to debate this either, it is childish talking past one another. He listed valid points and Mrpeach did nothing to address them.

[limber pivot]

No legit go to a vc to argue no one wants to have an argument spammed in any chat.

Clearly you did now good night

[rustic whale]

he's coming from a place of logic idk how that can be misconstrued as seeking an argument

Edit: Thinking about it. Neutrality is often confused as anger so maybe that's how?

[rustic whale]

w-where is the right place to talk about this?

[patent pollen]

just adding feedback on the article about the book. Its an prime example of people that don't care about this stuff and its not needed. Its a book and the author of the wowhead article sees things that are not there.

[tidal yew]

I rarely give feedback to you, I even applauded you for locking comments in racism/sexism-related posts in the past, because the wow community is generally undersensitive to these things, meaning often they don't see systematic sexism right before their nose when it comes to in-game-changes that were much needed. But as someone who is politically active for these things and even earns some money with analyzing them in context of media...you just made our life worse. Not only are you arguing about written word as a sign of intelligence which is a western racist assumption in itself, you accuse Blizz of general anti-semitism in using the goblin race doing bad things in the first place (which is not how you do it, explain why it could be racist, educate, don't accuse) and worst of all, you go overboard on all these things without any possible means to discussion.
I'll tell you that in hopes for a better Wowhead, but problems of systematic racism/sexism will not get better in society by one-direction-blogposts, it will get worse! We need to talk to people about these topics for a better awareness. This is a first. I love Wowhead. I love the awareness and information you spread about Blizzard in the last months, but please just talk about that with people. Invite experts to podcasts, do discussion rounds, talk with the community, talk with the developers, invite minorities. We need teachers, not essayists. Please.

[velvet garden]

Article is a bad take. Particularly this last bit:
"While it is true that sometimes older lore can contain stereotypes that are outdated and recognized as harmful today, it's also true that new lore should try to address and improve on that - rather than reinforce those harmful stereotypes."

WoW is a cartoon-game based on the idea of perpetually attempted racial genocide.

If you're surprised or offended that lore characters are racist, please reread the last sentence.

[plucky fractal]

guys, you're not talking to Blizzard
you're talking to people to make sure a website doesn't break
this is offtopic and the whole entire conversation is just fueling a fire
drop it

[patent pollen]

Its not offtopic, its regarding feedback over an wowhead article made by their team.

[crisp heart]

Could not agree more. This is made absolutely clear by the original post of this convo.

[misty terrace]

hey idk if this is the right place to ask, but im having issues with the wowhead client not updating my characters on the wowhead website (classic), if anyone could point me in the right direction that'd be nice

[teal dragon]

Use [e-mail] if you haven't already. Ensure you include your Wowhead username. Thanks.

[misty terrace]

thanks ill do that

[hardy bloom]

oh btw i found a source for zekhan being able to write

its in before the storm

so its an inaccuracy of the new book at the minimum

[tidal yew]

"Most of my reading and writing thanks to him" - Source: Exploring Kalimdor. Also not the point of discussion.

Same. Comments on the second post were even deleted for criticizing the self-quotation of their own blogpost as a generalization. This is not good news journalism, this is biased and self-promoting. This is not the Wowhead I learned to love.

[rustic whale]

depending on what responses/actions the wowhead staff take regarding Morbid and Schpudey's comments will show their true colors.

[crisp heart]

I myself am wondering how this will be resolved so as to see how comfortable I am with Wowhead as a source going forward. It seems like at least some clarification is in order.

[rustic whale]

Their safest bet as a brand is taking no action. So we probably won't get any response. But if they start silencing/removing posts/banning people, we'll know where they stand unfortunately.

[hardy bloom]

you realize news sources have op-eds right?

like - theyre allowed to post opinions of their writers?

[hardy bloom]

jesus - you are acting like this is some massive conspiracy

[crisp heart]

I read around a lot of sources, both in active WoW guilds and from those in servers and the broader community that I am not a part of but wanted to hear outside of my social circle about it. The concern is definitely that the assumptions were problematic, but even more that the article was unclearly presented as news in some parts, but editorial in others, and not made clear at all.

i.e. "some people thought" followed by a few sentences later with assertions of fact.

That comes off as very unprofessional and deceptive, even if that was unintentional it is better to make clear than to let it fester. It seems reasonable to ask about.

Yeah, and as someone who runs a Discord with literally hundreds of active RPers, we are definitely not the only people concerned based on what has been talked about over the last 2 days. They're still waiting to hear too.

Edit: including cross faction concern too, although the RPers involved are largely Horde by the hundreds.

[warm summit]

Just wanted to thank the author of the Exploring Kalimdor article for bringing attention to a very important subject.

[crude urchin]

No bickering here.

[crisp heart]

Understood. Will just wait for an answer then.

[rustic whale]

And we wait.

[rustic whale]

Then we'll just keep attentively waiting.

[rustic whale]

And waiting.

[errant pecan]

Oh give it a rest

[rustic whale]

I did for 9 hours

[crude urchin]

I'm not in a position to answer such questions. Please don't ping mods for that and keep the conversation relevant to the channel.

[crisp heart]

When the staff have responded to another unrelated issue that was mentioned after, I think it is warranted to ask if the prior issue has even been seen or acknowledged?

[pastel furnace]

the raid coposition tool: https://www.wowhead.com/raid-composition
does not recognize the warcry from warriors

[rustic whale]

And wait.

[latent crystal]

@crystal olive didnt post todays hotfixes yet

[crude urchin]

don't ping staff like that, please

[thick fox]

https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19162/corehound-belt there seems to be a mistake in the description here, it mentions that its also BiS for rogues but it's a healer belt

and i guess it might not be accurate for the healers aswell? seems like people mentioned that it's inaccurate a while ago

oh right, it says balance druids

[civic stone]

Filtering to search for removed from game stuff seems to be broken

[rustic whale]

And we wait.

[golden garnet]

https://tbc.wowhead.com/raid-composition

The "Link" generation is broken and doesn't save recent changes, or will revert back a few steps

[elder zephyr]

Is this the right place for this? I keep getting calendar spam and not sure how to stop it.

[narrow trellis]

That looks like ingame stuff, not related to wowhead

[elder zephyr]

Thanks, wrong server then 😅

[plucky fractal]

you can ask in #wow-help

someone might know a way to fix it in-game

[narrow trellis]

Id say report and block the guy sending the invites, that name should be bannable on its own

[elder zephyr]

Thank you! I removed the picture so it does not give free advertisement to that player.

[stable raft]

Good morning every one I hope I’m on the right channel I have a question about wowhead web page

Is there a possible way to stop the video ads from play by it self ?

[twilit helm]

Yes. There should be a setting in your browser for this.

[stable raft]

Oh ok 👍🏾 I didn’t know there is one so sorry 😞

[rancid copper]

if y'all are gonna have a diablo subsite (which I don't really like; make diablohead.com if you must...keep wowhead for wow), at least have some sort of seasonal overview page? something to cover haedrigs gift and the rewards for the seasonal journey. can't find anything obvious from the diablo subsection.

[woeful epoch]

anyone know why wowhead's profiler for your character sometimes have toys listed, and other times no? Or better yet, why are they not in the same spot?

[crystal olive]

Toys are only listed if you have uploaded character data with the wowhead client, as the Toy data isn't on the API

iirc

[woeful epoch]

I was getting that idea based on what I've read, and after following steps to track toys on another toon that it showed missing. Did a refresh and the listing then matched the first screenshot it seemed.

[woeful epoch]

I tried deleting the character that I think may have had an old layout (my original main) and re-added. Now it matches more like the first pic with a few other things I haven't noticed before... <sigh> At least it seems to be in a set order based on what you've accomplished now.

[quick sedge]

Hey I still have the premium role but I dont have premium anymore !!

[supple tide]

Hi! I am the new Content Manager for Diablo, and we are definitely looking at how to position it within our site, whether as a separate subdomain or whatever. We are primarily covering the new release, Diablo II: Resurrected and the upcoming releases of Immortal and D IV. However, we did do a news piece on DIII Season 25 that you can see here: https://www.wowhead.com/news/diablo-iii-season-25-live-now-cosmetic-rewards-extra-stash-tabs-325290. Thanks for the feedback!

[stoic acorn]

Please make it a different (sub)domain, I am absolutely tired of seeing all the D2 stuff all over Wowhead.

[rancid copper]

Right? I don't mind seeing the occasional news update from the devs about it, but every article about updated models or the new D3 season is too much. This is wowhead. What's next, patch notes for overwatch?

[rancid copper]

Good to know. For some reason I was under the impression you folks had more d3 content. Probably because of that news article. Y'all really should separate this out into a different domain. I'd love to see a wowhead style resource for Diablo 1-4 content, just not on wowhead!

I love Diablo a hell of a lot. Even have a copy of the original d1 "Hellfire" expansion lol. But I don't go to wowhead for Diablo anymore than I go to Subway for a burger. But I do love the way wowhead is built and the integrations it has (discord bots, even the thing I can drop onto my website for info on-hover). I can only imagine the cool stuff the wowhead team has in store for Diablo content. Just, make a different site 👌

[hardy bloom]

Honestly if it was a separate homepage and tab like wow classic stuff that would work for me

[amber crypt]

I know this isn't related to Wowhead.com, but isn't this type of thing considered a crypto scam? It was actually posted on the server, in the MythicPlusUS channels. As you can see, his username is @plucky fractal .

[hardy bloom]

Just ping mods next time

Or if it’s still there, ping mods now

[amber crypt]

Then, ahm.. <@&299347348847329281> the above issue is still there, with someone advertising what appears to be a cryptocurrency scam.

[crude urchin]

Thank you for the report

[safe rain]

The latest blue tracker post in tbc.wowhead (https://tbc.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/news/eu/weekly-bonus-event-burning-crusade-timewalking-20324470) is a retail activity and has nothing to do with classic TBC, I suggest removing it.

[mystic spade]

Hello everyone, is it possible to get a link that takes you to a specific tab in a guide like this?
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/brawlers-guild-guide-legion-rank-1-8-strategies#rank-3-splat
Clicking that link doesn't take me to the rank 3 tab on Splat.

It only seems to work with the 1st tab "Rank 1" like this link
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/brawlers-guild-guide-legion-rank-1-8-strategies#rank-1-ooliss

Thanks!

[white lance]

Is there a way listing spells by cooldown duration on wowhead tools?

Couldn't find so in the database :(

[white lance]

I've tried using SpellWork for 9.x to look it up as well but to no avail. It lists cds as RecoveryTime but I guess it is not indexed since I cannot search based upon it

[fathom shore]

can you guys get rid of that damn VMware ad, it doesn't mute and doesn't have a report ad button on it

[crystal olive]

close the ad and go there to report it

it sends a list of recent ads when you submit an ad report

[fathom shore]

got it finally, sneaky thing missed the report button this time haha

also never knew the feedback button pulls up the same window haha

[teal dragon]

Just be sure to select advertising issue so we get the recent ad data displayed to you. 😀

[cunning forge]

well this is new
don't know what to make of it

[stoic acorn]

Currently showing as safe, possibly a temporary false alarm:
https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?url=https:%2F%2Fwww.wowhead.com%2Fnpc%3D160821%2Fworldedge-gorger&hl=en

[thick fox]

any reason why the alterac mountains classic map is so broken on wowhead?

https://classic.wowhead.com/npc=2407/hulking-mountain-lion for example clicking on it here just links you to the zone, instead of showing the spawn points

https://classic.wowhead.com/npc=2242/syndicate-spy clicking on it here, where the only available spawn points are inside the zone, it just doesnt show any

[knotty anchor]

i dont think you can reach a tab inside a tab with a single link, the problem is that the first link youve posted only selects the tab inside rank 3, not rank 3 at all
so if you load the site through this link and click on rank 3 you are at the desired enemy "splat"
(which is btw also the reason the second link works, because you are defaulted to rank 1 and dont have to select that first which is why you assume the link works perfectly while its not like that)

not sure if its possible what you are looking for tbh

[mystic spade]

Gotcha, tyvm for the reply. Appreciate it!!

[rustic whale]

Is there a way to op out of Diablo posts

[rancid copper]

If you mean in the webhooks, no, it's considered blizzard news.

[teal dragon]

That's no longer accurate.
https://www.wowhead.com/webhook

[viscid heart]

fancy options

[rancid copper]

Good to know!

Last I saw it was included and I must have missed the update where it wasn't 🙂

[teal dragon]

We moved Diablo out once we committed to a new subdomain (in progress) for the game. It was okay when there was a couple articles a month for Diablo in the Blizzard category, but then there was substantially more as we roll out a new page for the game. 😀

[rancid copper]

👍 that's all awesome to hear 😎

[halcyon void]

i'm guessing it's become default now ? :p,

[robust mason]

Ah, found another one that snuck in recently. Will fix.

[halcyon void]

ah i thought my "leeway" on this ended ^^, i did 'poke' the issue on the WF github page since i have a feeling they are hoping somebody else makes it for them and they just have to copy/paste in lol ...

[robust mason]

That was on an NPC page, right? Should now be fixed.

[halcyon void]

all of them actually lol, but it seems to be ok now so no biggy 🙂

[hushed aspen]

The mount collection tracker on your website would be really cool if you could sort by expansion

[fathom shore]

can we have someone go in and clear all the LFG posts for https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=10412/poor-unfortunate-souls ? there is only 1 comment that has any actual value on the post and it's at the freaking bottom, buried beneath all the idiots

[viscid heart]

try sorting by highest rated, it seems like you are sorting wrong.

[fathom shore]

I just run the default option

https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=10542/i-got-what-you-mead is no better

[viscid heart]

thats the default, and shows the useful ones first

[fathom shore]

hmm mines always been set to newest first

[teal dragon]

Highest rated is the default, you probably just switched the sort at one point (and your browser remembers that indefinitely until you change it again). Switch it to highest rated and it'll stay that way. 🙂

[late summit]

Can you set up your profile in a way that makes the completion column reflect gear from all armor types including ones that your specific profile can't wear? I think I could just pin four profiles so everything is covered but that's not ideal

[teal dragon]

No, it's character specific. No overriding that.

[vestal glen]

why do all difficulties of Guardian of the First One's NPC page list a Voldunai toy under its abilities? o.O

[vestal glen]

Similarly, this spell is apparently used by 613 mobs in the database. Is this accurate, or is this actually a common dummy spell, or something?

[pliant tendon]

It's more of a debuff we got from using a soulbind, and inflicted to the mobs, so maybe the database incorporate it.
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=352800/vorkai-ambush

[deft veldt]

I know it is using a different tool at that point but Simple Armory is very nice and sorts by expansion and source.

[civic stone]

Available to players filter is still broken 😦

If there is somewhere else I should be reporting this, let me know please 🙂

[teal dragon]

What's broken?

[civic stone]

There should be a few thousand results O.o

[teal dragon]

There aren't any quests flagged as "not available to players" in the database.
Are you trying to find quests that are no longer available in-game?

[civic stone]

Yeah

[teal dragon]

We don't have a filter for that.

[civic stone]

removed and obsolete

,-,

[teal dragon]

If a quest is actually removed from the game, we no longer show it on the site. It's removed from our database just like it's removed from the game. If a quest remains in the game data, but is no longer actually visible in-game, we'll try to manually mark it as 'No longer in-game', but there's no search filter that helps you find those. Sorry.

[civic stone]

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=5/jitters-growling-gut

I think they are still here just hidden

[teal dragon]

Yes, if they're still in the game data they'll be in our db, but hidden since presumably no one has any need to see them.
Although it can be found on Classic or TBC, the example you gave anyhow: https://classic.wowhead.com/quest=5/jitters-growling-gut

[civic stone]

Yeah the classic ones arent an issue

Quests removed between Wotlk and BFA are 😂

I guess ill just leave the feedback here of: Filter for removed and obsolete quests 🙂

[tiny stump]

I wanna export some item data from wowhead about all of the loot from Black Temple: https://tbc.wowhead.com/black-temple#drops;mode:n25
and put it into a Google Docs sheet, is there an easy way to do that?
I want it along the lines of what is in the picture:

[teal dragon]

Only thing we offer is those presented here:

[tiny stump]

I get the data when choosing that option, all in a line separated with comma's, is there a way i can format it differently?
Like each comma separated entry for its own cell in the Google Docs?
I realize this might be an odd request, i just do not know how to convert it into something a bit more useful, and was hoping someone had tried something similar before.

[teal dragon]

I remember a bit, but I've been trying since you asked and all I can do is get them in their own columns. For the life of me can't figure out how to put them in rows. Still researching...

[tiny stump]

❤️ Thanks for the effort at least 😄

[tiny stump]

How did you do it? 😄

[teal dragon]

ugh lol

Okay, save the comma separated list in a .txt document.

Then go to Excel > Data -> 'From Text/CSV' -> select the .txt document -- click 'Import'

This will show you everything in their own columns. Hit 'Load'.

Copy Row 2

Create a New sheet at the bottom (+)

Right-click to paste but select the 4th option (Transpose).

You're done.

I'd delete the column sheet once you're done, and I guess rinse/repeat for the other data.

There may very well be a faster way to do all that, but that's what I came up with. 😄

[tiny stump]

I do not have Excel, but it looks like you can do a similar thing in Google Sheets, right now it's just getting imported horizontally somehow.
Thank you so much! 😄

[teal dragon]

For what it's worth, you're welcome. 😛

[hardy bloom]

shouldnt diablo just be a whole category? IE all the diablo channels so there is room for d2, diablo immortal, d3 and diablo 4?

WoW is one category even though theres retail, classic and tbc classic

[teal dragon]

Perhaps, I've just added D2 right now because it was added to our site. We don't offer any tools/guides/etc for anything other than D2 right now.

[hardy bloom]

there was news for diablo immortal stuff

i figured a general discussion channel for 2 3 immortal and maybe 4 might make sense?

4 is still only doing quarterly updates, so maybe not yet

[calm axle]

I have two things to recommend:

1. Make the comments in the news section multilingual (one language per tab, as it is in the database itself). If you're visiting wowhead with a language other than English - like in my case German - the website feels absolutely dead due to the lack of any comments. Switching back-and-forth the language just to read the comments is a unnecessary nuisance.

2. Another thing, although not as important, would be some sort of "rating feature" for items in the database. Similar to how it is present on the hearthstonetopdecks website (another site of yours). Especially trinkets with their procc chances often leave you with the question "is that item worth equipping?" Having a rating would reduce the need to read the entire comment section.

[steady steeple]

Please update the PTR Soulbind Calculator to show 265 and 278 conduits.

[fair geyser]

Hello, any mod online? I did a mistake while submitting some content to wowhead I want to report!

[crude urchin]

send DM please

[rotund egret]

What happened to the daily notable Korthia Rares on the Today in WoW?
It was really useful to know if Reliwik was up for the day.

[orchid citrus]

Its showing up on the Shadowlands section for me

[rotund egret]

Not for I 😢

Ah, found the issue. I'd ended up on the ptr site ...

[orchid citrus]

Ah, that makes sense hehe

[rotund egret]

Thanks 🙂

[orchid citrus]

It happens! Hope you get Reliwik's mount soon

[toxic glen]

I think the <retail> filtering button (the default on) is broken in the new layout. Even tho its (pre)selected i see news with classic tag ptr tag etc. but mayby there is no filter for just sdeeing retail without seeing diablo, classic, ptr etc?

[teal dragon]

The Retail, or default www page, shows all news. You can filter news on this page, by category, via the 'Types' dropdown below Today in WoW.

[plucky fractal]

<@&299347348847329281> posted in every basic wow related channel

[toxic glen]

ok got it. but me as a user thinks its fitlered on retail since the ux experience looks that way. mayby add a new default tab "all" so that both calssic and retail buttons acts as filters?

[stoic acorn]

<@&299347348847329281> maybe a direct ping will work since @everyone is blocked... that's an obvious scam message that has been up for 15 min now.

[crisp bone]

They've already been banned, just missed that message

[harsh verge]

all the links for conduits, Legendarys, talents and for rotation are broken https://www.wowhead.com/guides/night-fae-fury-warrior-covenant-best-soulbinds-shadowlands#80r-raid the links linked inside this covenent guide

[unreal badger]

Guys, i have some issue with site. Some1 know what should i do to solve it?

[narrow trellis]

Check pinned messages

[unreal badger]

i already have google dns but still have the issue

[narrow trellis]

Try another dns ^^ Cloudflare is pretty good

[unreal badger]

same

and open the same

[narrow trellis]

Tried another browser, rebooted your router etc?

Wowhead works for me so ^^ Thats all the advice i have

[unreal badger]

router was rebooted

but it works in another browser

[narrow trellis]

Then you have your issue there probably ^^ clear cookies, try incognito mode etc

[unreal badger]

well, incognito works

mb u need reboot my pc

[narrow trellis]

Probably one of the first things to do when somethings not working 😄

[unreal badger]

well its true)

[plucky fractal]

Hi, who can I talk to about an article suggestion?

[crude urchin]

feel free to post the suggestion here or send it at [e-mail]

[plucky fractal]

Thanks, I’ll drop an email 🙂

[vale sluice]

y0
my hero have error "cant do that while stunned" where i can finde the help?thanks.

[hardy bloom]

First #wow-help but probably a ticket

<@&299347348847329281>

[nova creek]

I'm looking for someone that can help me understand how wowhead tracks dropchances 🙂

On the Illidari Runeshield site it says that it dropped 63 times out of a total of 63900 Illidari Fearbringers killed, for a droprate of 0.06%: https://www.wowhead.com/item=34011/illidari-runeshield#dropped-by;0+9-10+1

On the Illidari Fearbringer site it says that Illidari Runeshield dropped 2 times out of a total of 18699 Illidari Fearbringers killed, for a droprate of 0.01%: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=22954/illidari-fearbringer#drops;mode:n;150+15-2+3-20+17+1

This doesn't make any sense to me. The help text on mouseover is also the same, how can mobs be killed 3x as often in two metrics?

Why are all the numbers, including the number of kills, different? What does this mean?

Thanks a lot for helping me understand this ❤️

[harsh verge]

mhh why do i cant get horde Eu Role? I have the alliance EU role. But cant get the Horde. Im playing Both Sides.

[crude urchin]

i've manually added the role for you. sorry for the inconvenience

[crisp bone]

All sorted ☑️

@nova minnow sorry had to delete your post, had the scam link in it, but they have been banned!

[arctic lintel]

Any chance to see caption for screenshots when i add screenshot in Russian language? For things from Draenor raids f.e. that have one ID for LFR, Normal and Heroic versions

[trail torrent]

Hi, could we get diablo specific webhook? Being in "others" pushes in irrelevant updates into channel

[viscid heart]

Already saw the great new webhook options? I think they where quite exhausting

[teal dragon]

https://wowhead.com/webhook

[trail torrent]

Hmm, that must be quite a recent, noice! 🙂

[trail torrent]

Hmm, apparently that one still leaks Bobby & Microsoft (which should be "others" or something for Company itself related updates) information into my Diablo channels - three times, as added webhook for each but Immortal version :\

[teal dragon]

All webhooks receive any news articles we post with the Blizzard or Wowhead category. This is by design.

[bronze gull]

Guys, i don't know any further. Maybe you can help me. I am trying to change the Discordbot database from Live to TBC but the Bot ignores my commands. The Bot got admin permissions and I've tried upper and lower case commands. As you can see the Bot works with the live db. Btw i hope this is the right channel 🙂

[fickle pecan]

When you see inaccurate screenshots, they can be reported as such. Is the same not possible for videos? The video posted on https://www.wowhead.com/quest=27804/ is actually for the quest https://www.wowhead.com/quest=26997, but I don't see a way to flag the video

[teal dragon]

Videos can be reported via the feedback envelope on the page and/or direct email: [e-mail]

[teal dragon]

Send me a direct message, I'll join your server and see if I can figure anything out as a new set of eyes.

[solemn lily]

Having the same issue as Chris, our wowhead bot suddenly started pulling from the live database instead of TBC.

[teal dragon]

Due to these reports, we've discovered some bugs, we'll be looking to get them resolved in the next couple weeks. Sorry for the inconvenience in the meantime.

[solemn lily]

Thank you for confirming!

[rancid copper]

In the pepe article,

"but it is currently unknown if you can reach the cave on food"

On foot?

[orchid citrus]

fixed

thanks

[rancid copper]

👍

[drowsy galleon]

Hi, awesome work you all do <3. Two questions:

1. Is there a reason that I can sort by ID when searching Items in the database, but can't do so when searching NPCs, Spells, or Objects?
2. Why do a (hell of a) lot of NPCs have an unknown location on their page, when we definitely know their location?
   Thanks!

[orchid citrus]

1. I'll let devs know about that one, thanks!
2. For that, locations are automatically assigned when enough users upload their location data using the Wowhead client, so usually its just a case of not enough uploads on that NPC.

[drowsy galleon]

Thank you 🙂

[thick lark]

@rich wyvern yo can you change the "Team Liquid Acquires Limit" post to "Max is becoming a co-owner in Team Liquid, overseeing how Liquid approaches MMOs."

It has a typo currently

[rich wyvern]

fixed thanks.

[jolly lantern]

Hi !

How can I search for an article on wowhead ? For example I search this article https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/enhancement-shaman-analysis-of-the-9-2-class-changes-take-a-chance-on-enhance-325657 with the title, and I see nothing

[teal dragon]

Click the News tab, it shows up there after it has a moment to search.

[jolly lantern]

Oh yeah ! The "no number" confused me

[ember moth]

getting 500 Server Error on all the quest pages right now

front page and user pages seem to work

[flat mountain]

when trying to open https://tbc.wowhead.com/guides/affliction-warlock-dps-pre-raid-best-in-slot-gear-burning-crusade-classic-wow

[ember moth]

seems to be working again now

[flat mountain]

ye

[orchid citrus]

Yeah looks like it was a hiccup. Let us know if you experience further errors

[humble hatch]

@teal dragon sorry to bother you is there any feedback on the wowhead bot issues? TIA

[ocean abyss]

Was there a change in terms of auto-log off on the page over the last few days?

[woven garden]

im havin problems logging in with bnet, gives me a 502 proxy error

on the website*

[teal dragon]

I believe it's fixed, are you still having issues?

[teal dragon]

No, not at all.

[teal dragon]

I cannot replicate. Is it still happening?

[humble hatch]

I haven’t reinstalled the bot but I will now thanks

Working, great thanks!

[woven garden]

sorry for the late response, but yea, all good 👍

[trail torrent]

Hi, any reason Progress's first full T6 clear is not mentioned on main page?

[orchid citrus]

Probably happened after our classic team went to bed :)

[young jackal]

https://www.wowhead.com/pet-battle-bonus-event

There is a wrong information here, needed to be updated, the buff gives 100% now, not 200% anymore. Can we edit this info?

[crude urchin]

fixed. Thanks for the feedback

[next lava]

Wowhead discord bot is not responding

Oh. it's back up

[buoyant atlas]

The black temple loot guide has wrong text in it "https://tbc.wowhead.com/guides/black-temple-bt-raid-overview-burning-crusade-classic" Under "Complete Black Temple Loot Guide for Burning Crusade Classic" Says token drops from Mana burn instead of the boss name.

[orchid citrus]

fixed, might take a few minutes to register depending on cache 🙂

[buoyant atlas]

It looks fixed here right away 🙂

[orchid citrus]

awesome

[next lava]

Wowhead discord bot is not responding again

[plucky fractal]

How do you make a World of Warcraft classic account ?

[crystal olive]

This is support for the Wowhead website, not the game World of Warcraft.
Just create a normal wow account and it counts for classic and retail

[nova creek]

Think you may want to push out news that blizzard confirmed free character transfers for SoM and additional TBC servers.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/som-servers-in-disarray-since-launch/1164380/2
May also include news about the rising queue on firemaw since everyone and their kitchen sink transferred there lately 😄
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/102min-queue-on-firemaw/338112
https://www.warcrafttavern.com/population/bcc/eu/firemaw

[young jackal]

Squirt is up on EU today, can we have an announcement for this, for those people who haven't know yet

[crisp bone]

Hey, this will be up soon :o)

[deft veldt]

Is there an error with the PTR summary post that went up q couple of hours ago? It says PTR Build 42079 but the link in the article says PTR 42069. Even the Twitter post about it says "last week's".

Is that a new build for this week or is it last week's?

[crystal olive]

last week's

fixed the title

[tardy pagoda]

How do I remove points on phone if I don't have a right click?

[sour wing]

Wowhead Static CDN Error
Your browser can't reach the server where we host our styles, scripts, and images. This is sometimes caused by an issue with your DNS server, which is what your Internet Service Provider uses to help your browser find other servers by their domain names.

Errors observed when retrying from this page:

Preamble Script: Success
Logo Image: Success

i got the above when i tried to get to your site

[teal dragon]

Please try clearing your browser's cache and visiting again.

[mellow light]

Noticed I couldn't click the US Alliance role in #roles 🤔 ?

[crude urchin]

@mellow lightI've manually given the role for you. sorry for the inconvenience

[mellow light]

thanks.

[latent comet]

The Twitch Extension (which used to work) is no longer working for me. It is doing the forever spinny like it has for others.

• I disabled AdBlock
• I tried Chrome, Edge, IE, Incognito, InPrivate, and my Android phone's browser
• I double checked my Blizzard privacy setting

So does anyone have a suggestion other than all of those that have already been mentioned that I did a search for?

[teal dragon]

I could replicate the problem. I'll create a ticket for our development team. Thank you for the report.

[knotty anchor]

@twin iron in the recap of the last weeks ptrbuild you say bdb was buffed which is technically true but since it lost the ability to crit (which is not mentioned at all) its a nerf overall 😉

oh and its not a legendary power, its a covenant ability

[slender chasm]

is there any way to change your wowhead username?

[teal dragon]

Email [e-mail] with the requested name change

[slender chasm]

ty

[latent comet]

Ty, I appreciate it!

[vital rune]

how to make default website look like this

not like that

[narrow trellis]

Probably by being pemium and not having an adblocker 🙂 Would be my guess at least

[viscid heart]

dont use addblock.

[arctic whale]

I apologize if this isnt the appropriate channel but is there any reason the wowhead bot would be online on this server but offline on my guilds server?

[teal dragon]

Bots use "shards" when they're in enough channels. Basically it's the same bot running on different servers. We're probably not on the same one and yours needs restarted. I'll see about getting that done and check back with you.

[arctic whale]

Thank you

[deft veldt]

I don't know, I still have black bars and I have premium

[viscid heart]

They are left and right, the content just has a max width

That's normal, the adds are in that content space too and taking away from real content

[teal dragon]

Is it working now?

[arctic whale]

Yes, thank you!

[teal dragon]

You can click the red fullscreen button if you want to remove those.

[teal dragon]

As others have said, by being Premium and not using adblock, plus the use of the fullscreen toggle you already found.

https://wowhead.com/premium

[stiff wasp]

Is there a way to search for part of a word within the Wowhead database search? I'm looking for any NPC name that contains beard in it, but when I just search beard it only returns a handful of results. I assumed names like Bronzebeard would turn up by searching beard. 🤷‍♂️

[chilly oracle]

Hello! can anyone help me get an item id number of my artifact weapon for fury warriors Warswords of Valarjar Stormbreath tint?

the thing is I use wowheads outfit tool often, and sometimes when I want to base a mog of a piece of gear or weapon i type in additional search and use the id of the armor or weapon I want to build my mog on. This is for inspo. the thing is when I search I only get the standard tint of the artifact weapon. how to get around this?

[cosmic girder]

I would also appreciate a response to this. I used to rely a lot on the Planner

[robust mason]

Sorry, we only support word prefix searches right now. "Beard" returns everything which has a word that starts with the letters "beard".

[robust mason]

All artifact appearances of a weapon use the same item id, they just have different display IDs (which normally we don't show in URLs or the like). If you load up the modelviewer and click "Artifact Appearances" in the bottom left corner, you'll see a list of tints, all for the same item ID. https://www.wowhead.com/item=128908/warswords-of-the-valarjar#modelviewer

[chilly oracle]

Thanx for responding. So from what I understand no work around for my little problem? Maybe something to keep in mind for transmog enthusiasts like myself? to show different tint ids. Same goes with normal, heroic and mythic tint ids ^^

[robust mason]

Can you clarify how you're trying to use tint IDs? For example, on the dressing room, you can use all the artifact tints already: https://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#dz0z0zM89c8a8G8s8z8q8O8b8zc8fh8M2Q8d8zh8fu8M218sc8zya8fG8M238k58zdw877mChg87MChg87mG8N8

It sounds like you want to click the weapon slot, type in "valarjar", see all the weapon tints available, type in "18" (or whatever), and filter to just that tint ID, is that accurate?

[stiff wasp]

Thank you!!

[chilly oracle]

Sure! So for example, I want to base my transmog of a cool item I saw. In this case lets say its Warswords of Valarjar: Stormbreath. I want to be able to have an ID for the tint for Stormbreath artifact appearance because I want to see what people combine the weapons with.

[chilly oracle]

and this is where I usually type in the item ID which is always the standard tint i.e normal tint and thats where my problem is. Same goes for weapons or armor having normal, heroic and mythic tints. I can only get the ID for normal not for mythic

[robust mason]

I understand, thanks. I'll make two tickets: "When I visit https://www.wowhead.com/outfits/race:10/gender:1?filter=6;0;128908 I expect to see all outfits which use that item, not just outfits which use the first tint of that item." plus "While I can filter outfits by item ID, I would also like to filter outfits by display ID, so I can view outfits which use one specific appearance of an item."

[chilly oracle]

Sounds great! Thanx for the help @robust mason

[prime quarry]

Not sure who to report this to but https://corp.fanbyte.com/legal/privacy?zaf_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowhead.com%2F

the "Do not sell my information" link leads to - https://www.wowhead.com/?zaf_ccpa=true doesn't resolve to a DNSMI notice page on wowhead

[fickle pecan]

Hello, I'm trying to find some info on the removed skill "Soul Cyphering". Seems to just have been available during early alpha, with a few database leftovers here and there https://www.wowhead.com/skill=2777/soul-cyphering. I've found items like this, and a few others. Some have the Soul Cyphering tag. Is there a way to filter item searches for those various "purpose" tags? An example would be https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=174942/stygia.

Guess a simple search for items with cypher in the name, from Sl, will get a good deal, but perhaps not all

[hardy bloom]

i dont think it ever got a use

so it doesnt have any real data associated with it

just a few IDs

[fickle pecan]

Yeah, was just wondering if there was a good way to find stuff with those "niche" tags. Other examples would be https://www.wowhead.com/item=175769/constellan-writ with "Maw Lore" and https://www.wowhead.com/item=178882/prideful-spirit with "Queen's Conservatory".

It's all good, if that's not really possible, just wondering 🙂 Was able to find enough to put together a decent page here, all things considered.https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Soul_Cyphering

[plucky fractal]

I got an email saying @teal dragon tagged me in something, but I cannot find it or DM this person

[teal dragon]

It would have been #sweepstakes

[placid bone]

https://tbc.wowhead.com/guides/hyjal-summit-mount-hyjal-raid-overview-burning-crusade-classic#trash-overview
The link here to the trash guide is broken. I assume it should point to https://tbc.wowhead.com/guides/trash-mobs-hyjal-summit-strategy-burning-crusade-classic

[near linden]

How do I search spells that Apply Aura: Mod Damage Done to a specific school? Like only search for things that mod Holy damage. This search shows all Mod Damage Done spells

[lunar belfry]

Currently the Havoc DH 9.2 changes webpage mentions Fire Mage in several places of the guide.

[earnest sundial]

For whatever reason the dressing room won't work for me. I can't change the character's gear nor can I change the customization options, gender, or race. It's like the buttons on it have become useless. Does anyone have any solutions to this issue?

[teal dragon]

Please try clearing your cache and checking again. Please also copy/paste the link here if the issue persists.

[teal dragon]

Provide a URL so we can be sure to check the right place. Thanks.

[lunar belfry]

Appears to be corrected now. Will do in the future.

[teal dragon]

Oh good, thank you for the report!

[teal dragon]

This has been fixed. Thank you for the report!

[rancid copper]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/rare-spawn-treasure-locations-loot-zereth-mortis

Rares and events are also a solid way of farming reputation with Ve'nari - With most of the Korthia rares giving between 100 and 150 Reputation with her.

Either this is inaccurate and is leftover from the Korthia rare guide, or "Korthia" should become "Zereth Mortis" instead.

[orchid citrus]

hey, this was indeed a leftover and has been removed. thank you 🙂

might take a few minutes to update due to caching.

[rancid copper]

np! 🙂

[earnest sundial]

Guess it was an internet problem cuz i redid my internet and now the dressing room is working. thanks for your help

[teal dragon]

Oh good, glad it's working now. 😀 Have a good weekend!

[earnest sundial]

You too, I often use wowhead dressing room to make heroes and villains for my RP stories so I'm relieved it is working for me again.

[bold umbra]

I think something is wrong with the WW monk covenant analysis page

The entire page is like that

[crystal olive]

fixed

[bold umbra]

thanks

[daring flare]

There's a problem in the Resto shaman guide. It's supposed to be Deeptremor Stone, not earthen harmony for the EQ ele legendary

[rancid copper]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/chains-of-domination-content-unlock-schedule-what-unlocks-each-week-in-patch-9-1-323099

Is there an article like this for 9.2? I've been looking around and haven't seen one but I might have missed it

[maiden terrace]

Is there an easy way to prevent dulplicate posts like this?

I know it's tagged with all three of those things for those three webhooks, but we really only need to see it once.

[crude urchin]

Unfortunately, no. You can only deselect some webhooks here https://www.wowhead.com/webhook to not see duplicates.

[maiden terrace]

Eh that's ok I might get one of the other Discord bots and see if they have settings to delete duplicates like this. Ty though!

[rancid copper]

Maybe try setting a short slow mode on the channel

[maiden terrace]

Can give it a go, but because they’re technically different webhooks, I don’t think it’ll do anything 😦 Thank you for the tip though!

[valid lake]

on warrior page for 9.2 legendaries it says to recraft reprisal on boots, but in the expanded info section below it says legs

[misty elm]

is there a wow server status bot command that i can add to my guild's discord channel?

[teal dragon]

We don't provide support for that.

[teal dragon]

We're looking to address this in a future update. In the past it wasn't possible but Discord's tools have improved enough that we think we might be able to address this. Soon™️

[maiden terrace]

OH AWESOME! Thanks for the update bb ❤️ Love you hope you have the best of days

If I can help test it at all, let me know and I’ll absolutely do anything I can to help

[visual tulip]

Was looking at the updated front page. Has the Venthyr Repair Mirror group list been removed from the Today in WoW section because I can no longer find it.

[crystal olive]

the mirror groups only show up if someone with the wowhead client does it after the region reset

if no one has done it, it won't show up

[visual tulip]

Awesome, thanks for the info.

[random crescent]

Hi there, I have been trying to add my toon to the Wowhead Twitch Extension but doesn't seem to add. Just spinning to load in the top corner there. Any ideas why it may not be adding? Seems my character comes up in WoW armory just fine.

[teal dragon]

The Twitch extension is currently broken, we fixed it but have now been running into issues on Twitch's end in getting the fix approved. We're working on it though, sorry for the inconvenience in the meantime.

[random crescent]

That's no problem! Thank you for letting me know that it's not user error! ☺️

[torn geyser]

from the link provided in the sweepstakes.

https://www.wowhead.com/guides?notFound=zereth-mortis-activities-how-to-unloc links to this page, i think its just a lil type missing the k

[teal dragon]

Thought I fixed that, thank you, one moment.

[teal dragon]

Can you reload and check again?

[torn geyser]

It wont let me click it again as it gave me credit for going to the incorrect link

(even with a refresh)

[teal dragon]

Ah okay, well it's working for me now, you can enter again on those methods tomorrow -- let me know if you have other issues. Thanks! 🙂

[torn geyser]

👌🏽

[upbeat karma]

RE: The previously datamined cheetah travel form (https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-cheetah-druid-travel-form-patch-9-2-datamining-324948)
Can now confirm that this model has entirely replaced the old polygonal cheetah; and is learnt through Glyph of the Cheetah same as the previous 🙂
(article previously said that it was unsure of the source of the new appearance :D)

[bright snow]

Hi, there doesn't seem to be a page for the new Zereth Mortis World Quest [Connecting It All]? (It's bugged so wanted to leave a comment that you currently have to complete the puzzle 4-5 times, or use the "blow it open" mode in order to complete the quest).
Edit: it appears it is the search that is unable to find the page on the Live version of wowhead. I managed to find it using an external Ecosia search on and accessed the PtR page from there. The Live button is greyed out. https://ptr.wowhead.com/quest=65416/connecting-it-all#comments

[orchid citrus]

we're aware of the glitch affecting that quest

[civic anchor]

I recall that there was a checkbox on the search results page to automatically redirect if there was only one result, does that still exist? Can't spot anything.

[teal dragon]

No longer exists.

[civic anchor]

ah, thx 🥲

[timber cairn]

Hi! Would you please add Toys Collection page?Just like Pets Collection and Mounts Collection. It would be very useful.Thanks!

[rancid copper]

For the "healer m+" article

Ultimately though the reason they’re S-Tier is because their damage just is not close to other healers.

That's in the monk section, but monks are not ranked S tier.

[hardy bloom]

feel like its probably supposed to say "they're not S-Tier" based on that language

[bright snow]

Is anyone pulling together a guide to the new missions on the Mission Table? I've been keeping track of my attempts/strats (mainly Night Fae & Kyrian) & posting results to Reddit (new)/Google spreadsheet (all) if anyone is interested in the data collected. https://www.reddit.com/r/woweconomy/comments/t06ldj/comment/hyerdxz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[spiral current]

So why on the BiS list for holy priest for M+ it states this gear setup favors Crit/Mastery for raiding. For dungeon-only healing, you'll typically want to prioritize a more Haste/Vers/Crit based gearing setup. And then list no gear with stats need for M+ just gear for raiding. That makes the list pointless. Please explain.

[rancid copper]

"With many different sources of gearing and loot scarcity in Shadowlands, targeting your absolute Best in Slot gear isn't entirely realistic; instead, we've created a Best in Slot list from the ideal Holy Priest raid drops found in Shadowlands, from Mythic Dungeons, to help you decide what to prioritize."

It's a list of gear that drops for M+ that is good for raiding, not a list of M+ gear that is good for M+.

[teal dragon]

Twitch Extension should be working again, let me know if you are still having trouble please.

[random crescent]

OMG it works!! thank you @teal dragon 😄

[thick lark]

A couple of things: https://www.wowhead.com/news/team-liquid-sepulcher-of-the-first-ones-race-to-world-first-event-at-helix-326170

All 30 raiders will be at the event

[abstract oyster]

https://www.wowhead.com/beast-mastery-hunter-gear-guide

[crystal olive]

Fixed

[runic trail]

Will there be or is there already an updated guide to the new mouseover keybinds?

[sharp onyx]

I am getting Wowhead Static CDN Error from when i try to enter wowhead and when i try "Try a page hosted on the static CDN to see if your browser offers more error information." this link i got that screenshot. When i googled what is going on only thing i can find is wowhead is blocked my country? Like what is going on? I am getting this at https://wow.zamimg.com/test.html

[slim tapir]

same here, started few hours ago. getting 403 Error "The request could not be satisfied.", i asked in-game and few ppl told me wowhead works for them (not same country as me). did you try to ban russian visitors and accidently ban neighboring countries too or what's happening because i tried 2 different PCs and different ISPs and can't access any wowhead domain/subdomain.

[rapid shadow]

I have the same error too. I was able to access it yesterday

I am able to access it with a VPN

[narrow trellis]

That looks more like cloudflare actually blocking your country. (it quite litterally says so)

[narrow trellis]

You seem to have the normal issues, read the pinned messages

[sharp onyx]

Cloudflare isnt restricting my country. Wowhead which is using amazon cloudflare is using geo restrictions on my country. That is the problem not on the cloudflare front but from wowhead front. Because i can access amazon cloudflare from my country now.

That is activated from the user ai Wowhead not Amazon Cloudflare

[rapid shadow]

yeah well I've changed my DNS to google & cloudfare and it worked

strange tho, why did this happen

[narrow trellis]

Your case if the most common question ive seen here so ^^ Its just the inner mechanics of the internet not finding the way

[slim tapir]

i just checked i can access cloudfront normally but can't access wowhead 😦 never had this issue never before

[narrow trellis]

No issues from my country at least, but i guess mentioning which country youre trying from (or region) is a good step to help staff troubleshoot

[rapid shadow]

Istanbul

[viscid heart]

it can also be one of the ISP's in between just going crazy

[teal dragon]

Istanbul should not be having any issues that are the result of anything on our end, since your DNS update resolved it then it was likely just a local DNS issue. Using Google / Cloudflare should help with that sort of thing.

[teal dragon]

Can you verify the country you're accessing the site from please?

[slim tapir]

@teal dragon DM'd you with my country and ISPs I used to test and have "403 The request could not be satisfied." accessing Wowhead issue.

[sharp onyx]

Istanbul, Turkey

TBH i tried everything i find in here changed my dns, flushed my dns, clearead cache etc. Its still giving me the same response

[pure glen]

Kocaeli, Turkey and I am also having the same issue. Neither Google, not Cloudflare DNS helped resolve the issue. Not sure what else to do. Certainly wouldn't like to bother with using a VPN every time I use wowhead, honestly.

[teal dragon]

Thank you. Explanation incoming.

The following countries have been blocked from accessing any of the websites owned and operated by ZAM Network, LLC DBA Fanbyte (the owner of Wowhead.com):

China
Indonesia
Thailand
Turkey
Serbia
India
Cuba
Iran
North Korea
Syria
Ukraine (Donbas & Crimea)```
This decision is ultimately due to legal compliance and liability issues with respect to these countries and their laws/regulations. This action was not based on any specific law or regulation in any one or more of the listed countries. Our decision was due to the legal costs involved with reviewing the laws and regulations of the listed countries, in contrast with the amount of visitors/revenue earned from them. As a result of this analysis, we decided not to pursue a legal review and to mitigate our liability in these countries, we opted to block access entirely. This is an indefinite decision. I and the rest of the Wowhead staff *genuinely* apologize for the inconvenience this will cause you. It was a tough decision but one that we ultimately had to accept. 

**Note:** This has nothing at all to do with Russia/Ukraine or any other political/military engagements around the world. 

- If you wish to have your account and associated data removed, please use our automated system (<https://corp.fanbyte.com/profile/preferences>) or reach out to [e-mail] for assistance. 
- If you have an active Premium subscription with automatic renewal, please reach out to [e-mail] to request the automatic renewal be cancelled. 

I/we won't be making any further comments on this matter for the time being. If I have more information to provide at a later time, I will pursue updating you. Thank you!

[slim tapir]

thanks for explanation. hope one day in the future my country gets back to whitelist. now to figure out how to play wow without wowhead, it's been best WoW's "addon" for over a decade!

[sharp onyx]

My problem isnt just accessing wowhead, problem is othersites using wowhead assets also having problems. Oh well

[teal dragon]

Yes, that would be expected as a result of this action. Truly sorry for the trouble caused. 😦

[sharp onyx]

NP mate thanks for helping clearing the issue 😄

[sand aurora]

What kind of reasoning would there even be to warrant an indefinite block? As one of the affected, this deeply saddens me. While I can understand not being able to provide details, it strikes me as odd that such drastic measurements needed to be taken for a simple gaming news/database site.

[teal dragon]

Literally "legal compliance and liability issue[s]". We're not sure if we're compliant, with respect to things like privacy policies, within the listed countries. In order to find out, we'd have to pay a legal firm to investigate and the cost is unfortunately prohibitive for the listed countries. We're both too big to not be concerned about these legal liabilities and too small to be able to justify the cost.

That's honestly as specific as I can get for you, and it's pretty much the entire story. It's not something we're happy about, but it's a pill that had to be swallowed. We are most assuredly sorry for the inconvenience caused to all those impacted.

[sand aurora]

Welp, that's extremely disappointing to hear and came out of nowhere. WoW has a lot of problems, and now I can't even access to search for simple stuff unless I have to pay for a VPN (whose monthly cost is about the same as monthly WoW subscription cost). Not sure I want to pay for a VPN just for Wowhead. I guess I'll just quit the game at this point. Thanks for putting the last nail in the coffin.

[obsidian garden]

cant access wowhead from even India 😦

EDIT: after changing my dns to google dns, i can access wowhead, but not the embedded comments etc sections

[teal dragon]

That might just require a cache clear, or perhaps you're running a browser extension that is modifying the page in someway to prevent those tabs from appearing.

[fringe gulch]

hey india seems to be blocked too. intentional?

[teal dragon]

No, India is not intentionally blocked, but their traffic may be running through one of the blocked countries causing the problem for you. Please consider changing your DNS so that it uses Google or Cloudflare and that should resolve the problem for you.

[fringe gulch]

🥲 already on google dns

will try cloudflare

a vpn it is otherwise 👍 thanks

[worn basin]

seems like there is a bug with the geo-filter applied and somehow India is included since someone may have tried to restrict Indonesia? Already tried using Google / Cloudflare.

[teal dragon]

Yeah, sorry about all this. 😐 Appreciate your flexibility.

[teal dragon]

Hmm, I'll have this investigated to verify for certain and get back to you (that may not happen until tomorrow).

[worn basin]

Thanks. will await the confirmation. For now, VPN seems to be the only option.

[teal dragon]

Alright, I'm sorry to report India is included in the blocked country list. I was not informed of that. Apologies now to the people of India as well. I've updated my announcement post above to reflect this.

[worn basin]

Try Cloudflare Warp VPN. Seems to work fine.

[worn basin]

Thanks for confirming. Is there a reference you can share about the block list?

[teal dragon]

Reference? As in explanation?

[worn basin]

No, the legal ruling, public info, etc. that lead to you implementing the block for certain countries

[teal dragon]

Oh, that doesn't exist. It's not any one specific thing for any of these countries.
Read #wowhead-feedback-support message -- see if that helps at all.

[worn basin]

yes, I understand. while not too specific, seems like you need to spend money to investigate more and that may not be worth it.. thanks

[teal dragon]

Precisely. When/if I receive more latitude or blanket clearance, I'll attempt to provide a more thorough/robust explanation on the issue at hand.

[worn basin]

Curious to understand if the directive to block specific countries came from within your parent organization's legal teams or from an external legal enforcement entity ?

[teal dragon]

Internal. Nothing external specifically prompted this action by any one or more of the blocked countries.

[worn basin]

Got it..thanks for your candid and quick responses to provide clarity...really appreciated 🙂

[teal dragon]

Of course! As mentioned this isn't something we wanted to do at all, so the least we can do is respond and make an effort to be as candid as we're able to be. I appreciate how understanding and flexible everyone has been so far about it. 🥲

[dire perch]

If it is internal then there must be a reason for blocking countries and it seems you are dodging from disclosing it.

[teal dragon]

I think I was pretty candid with the underlying reason here: #wowhead-feedback-support message

[hardy bloom]

its pretty clear my dude

[flint kraken]

What kind of blocking is it? There is no any similar law between banned countries 🙂 .

[hardy bloom]

essentially, if im understanding this right, those countries have laws that would require the website to hide content or modify it or change how they manage the site and doing an analysis of the massive databases owned by ZAM in order to find the content and then do work to modify the content is expensive and the websites dont make enough money to make this plausible

[flint kraken]

Also i prefer Russia instead of Turkey. There is no make sense. Its not about laws. I checked twice, if there is a law as you said ; they can describe the problem. They didn't.

[viscid heart]

Das probably doesn't know more than that either, and can't ask the person that made the decision because it's a different company (fanbyte) instead of wowhead.

[hardy bloom]

i just described the problem - those countries require hiding different types of content

going through massive websites like wowhead is expensive

so expensive that doing so for those countries isnt profitable

so theyre just not doing it

blame ZAM, not wowhead

[flint kraken]

I'm just blaming ZAM, i didn't say anything to Wowhead. They can use Azure or AWS for it. We're in 2022 and people still dont know how is going these works.

[errant pecan]

They're not dodging anything either--Sas was rather straightforward as to the reasons

[hardy bloom]

Wowhead is OWNED by ZAM. AWS or Azure doesnt do anything about website content

[flint kraken]

Btw, they can pass the laws without reason while holding their servers in Azure.

[hardy bloom]

this is a problem of content censorship or other legal BS

those countries censor content or require websites to keep track of who visits or other stuff

its on the website to fix it or they get in trouble

so instead the website is no longer accessible

[flint kraken]

Its doesnt matter for me. I can bypass everything to reach/login. I'm talking about their policies. As i said its no make sense. We don't have any censor for websites (n.i : adult content like PH)

[teal dragon]

This was an internal decision. It's not related to any specific laws or regulations in any one or more of the countries listed. In fact, we're not lawyers and don't know what the laws and regulations in the listed countries require of a website with visitors from their jurisdiction. We cannot justify the cost of having lawyers investigate the laws and regulations of the listed countries. As a result, to reduce our risk and liability, we've decided to block the countries from accessing the site.

That's all this boils down to, and we're sorry for having to cause this inconvenience. None of us likes it. No one at ZAM/Fanbyte likes it.

[flint kraken]

Weird. I don't want to say something about it. ZAM/Fb not a startup i know. Its enough.

[teal dragon]

This is true, if we were really small (as we have been in the past) the risk would be lower and we might consider accepting the potential liability. We've grown a lot as a company in the last few years and are too big to ignore the potential liabilities involved now... but we're not so large that we can justify the cost of legal review in the blocked countries. We've done all we can to ensure as much of the world is able to access the site as possible, sadly that didn't mean all of them.

I've said everything I can think to say on the matter at this point. If you're just joining us, consider starting at the latest channel pin and read through to now. Thank you.

[flint kraken]

Yes, i already did. Good luck with your next step.

[barren garden]

As someone from one of these countries who has been using your website since I started playing the game all those years ago, this is an incredibly disappointing move.
It saddens me that all your users from these countries combined are not considered worthy enough for you to go through the necessary legal work.
An embarrassing choice of action, blocking entire countries.

[jagged siren]

I'm not expert on legal things, but in Turkey, as far as I know, only social network service providers are liable to meet the requirements. Does Wowhead counts as social network? I don't know...

Nonetheless, hello Opera VPN, my old friend.

[violet sentinel]

Pardon me but the dumbest decision i've ever seen in my life. Although Turkey is among the countries that gave approval, i don't understand why they are blocking us. I'm disappointed. Also, they didn't ban Russia but us? This is so stupid.

[narrow trellis]

Read the last part. This is not related to the invasion of ukraine
#wowhead-feedback-support message

[violet sentinel]

I don't believe this shit sorry. What they are doing is unacceptable. What wrong did we do to deserve it?

[narrow trellis]

Well thats what we have from the staff even if you dont believe it or not 🙂

[solemn hawk]

hey there, is Turkey blocked from wowhead?

we can't access since yesterday

The Amazon CloudFront distribution is configured to block access from your country. We can't connect to the server for this app or website at this time. There might be too much traffic or a configuration error. Try again later, or contact the app or website owner. If you provide content to customers through CloudFront, you can find steps to troubleshoot and help prevent this error by reviewing the CloudFront documentation.

[crystal olive]

yes, you can read more about it here: <#wowhead-feedback-support message>

[teal dragon]

Neither you or anyone else did anything wrong, this isn't a punishment of any kind. It's just an unfortunate reality that we all have to accept for the foreseeable future. Please don't take it personally.

[solemn hawk]

well strange

[karmic rover]

It would be nice to put the announcement on facebook/twitter as well, so people who aren't on Wowhead's discord can know what's up.

[short nova]

You do not have any direct operations in India and India is not China with any iron curtain stuff.

Hopefully Blizzard either maintains the same list of countries on a block list or forces wowhead to provide access to its derivative products, cause the game is unplayable without third party details!

[junior moon]

Force Wowhead?

[teal dragon]

I don't disagree, but I'm waiting on a few things before that can happen. I also would like a better message to be displayed to those who are blocked, but that will also take some time. All feedback is acknowledged and noted. Thank you!

[young jackal]

So, what can Wowhead team do about this, those people, who are not able to use wowhead, what can they do about this situation? I'm from Turkey, also cant able to use Wowhead without VPN, but this shouldn't be a solution at all imo

[solemn hawk]

one question though, do you have lawyers for this in rest of 245+ countries and ensured that you are compliant with all of their laws?

if not, why you wanted to make sure you are compliant with only this 5-6 countries?

[errant pecan]

I'm sorry wowhead dudes, this isn't your fault 😂 I know this is gonna suck while people get upset at you over this 💚

[short nova]

Ya force wowhead, wowhead is using Blizzard IPs extensively are they not?

[echo cargo]

But Wowhead is not apart of Blizzard directly? 🤔

[teal dragon]

I can't comment on this, though I think it's a fair question. I don't know for certain what the legal team has verified for the rest of the world or what levels or risks they were willing to accept in comparison. I doubt I'll be able to really answer this question.

[teal dragon]

Wowhead/ZAM/Fanbyte has no direct relationship with Blizzard Activison. We use the same openly available APIs as anyone else. This also has no relevance so I'm probably not going to comment further on that subject.

[solemn hawk]

well still thanks for the reply

can u at least submit this question to your legal team may be as a feedback?

[short nova]

Obviously isn't, but if they can force nVidia geforce (and all other game stream providers) to not allow access to Blizzard game, then I am pretty sure they can demand restrictions or access to businesses that depend extensively on their intellectual properties and assets are ask for takedown. Not to mention stopping API access

Don't want to continue further here

[teal dragon]

Oh I assure you all this feedback will be summarized and relayed. Rest assured!

[solemn hawk]

thanks

let me switch the vpn now 😄

[dense delta]

uhm

😦

[flint talon]

Completely valid question and I unfortunately think one that won't be answered by Wowhead. I am really disappointed by the decision as a Turk. Although I haven't really been playing during Shadowlands for sometime, I was checking Wowhead casually to stay up-to-date with lore etc...

[north flax]

What's happening in Turkey is all about social network providers. This is due to fake news, disinformation and provocation in these networks, according to the officals. I'm not arguing whether these are the necessary actions whatsoever.
Again, the law defines these providers as any person or legal entity that facilitates creating, viewing or sharing content. Does wowhead fit in here? We are not creating anything here, are we? You just hand in news to your community.
Also an official statement regarding this situation beforehand would be the right action to take. Instead of turning off the switch and replying in discord like "yea, this is the situation, sorry".

[subtle sparrow]

Hello,

I am working as a legal professional in one of the affected countries and have in-depth knowledge about my country's laws & regulations. I would like to be quoted the specific regulations your legal team based this decision on if possible, if you could relay this question to them. Thanks in advance. (Mainly because no other service is similarly affected and Wowhead isn't even one of those sites that require a lot of personal information to trigger legal ramifications in the first place)

[errant pecan]

#wowhead-feedback-support message

It's not even wowhead, it's the parent company

[subtle sparrow]

Reading comprehension is appreciated

[teal dragon]

I've mentioned this earlier but I'll clarify again: this decision was not based on any specific law or regulation in any one or more of the blocked countries. Due to the costs involved with reviewing the laws and regulations of the specified countries, in contrast with the amount of visitors/revenue earned from said countries, we opted to not pursue a legal review and in order to mitigate our liabilities in not doing so, we opted to block content to these countries entirely to eliminate any liability. TL;DR: the costs to have these countries laws/regulations thoroughly reviewed by legal counsel to ascertain if we're compliant, or not, and what to do if we're not complaint was cost prohibitive and has resulted in these countries being blocked. It's not something any of us wanted, but it's a reality we had to accept. We apologize for the inconvenience.

I/we won't be making any further comments on this matter for the time being. If I have more information to provide at a later time, I will pursue updating you. Thank you!

[dense delta]

this outcome is pretty sad and disappointing really

[short nova]

Some strange assumptions indeed by wowhead. Seek other avenues for clarification like their parent company or blizzard.

They think everyone in the world who owns a website is legally bound to review 100s of countries laws and block them or be held liable despite having no registered office or business relation there.

Thankfully that is not how legal system works

[errant pecan]

Don't be petty

You're disgruntled but don't take it out on wowhead

You can share your concerns and feedback with civility instead of snark, ill will, or guilt tripping

[flint talon]

I appreciate Sas tanking the criticism, but sorry, none of the reasoning makes sense and I don't think it is a well-thought decision.

[errant pecan]

That doesn't justify being rude

[subtle sparrow]

can you stop trying to gain brownie points in this matter? you are obviously not affected, and literally no one is appreciating what you are doing right now

[errant pecan]

lol 👍

[flint talon]

The one being rude is Fanbyte making "excuses" for a non-sense restriction of access based on a non-sense explanation.

[spark bison]

Hello, any1 here who can assist me with a technical issue regarding reaching the wowhead.com website?

[dense delta]

yea read above , if you are in one of those countries you are blocked like us :p

[spark bison]

Oh stonks, so we arent the only one on the ban hammer target list ahhaha

[dense delta]

yeee we are big banned community now 😄

[spark bison]

RIP

[heavy meadow]

It's rather disappointing that they have acted with business in mind and not community. Great going guys. Good thing I didn't renew my subscription this year.

[willow abyss]

It'really shocked me that I and many players from Thailand can no longer access wowhead anymore

[snow warren]

Thailand just blocks whatever they don't want to see available in the country (porn, gambling, etc). I'm pretty sure they have better things to do than reviewing the content of a WoW site and going after them instead of just blocking the site themselves 🙄

[heavy meadow]

Really sucks they decided to ditch the community for pocket cash, especially considering wowhead's content is almost entirely made up from the data community shared with them

[flint talon]

Tbh, I don't even have any knowledge of such restriction or any legal case regarding a web site like Wowhead in Turkey...

[silent gale]

So if I understand it correctly, it was blocked not because there IS a law that you are not compliant with. It is blocked because investigating if there is actually one is not worth it?

🙃

[flint talon]

yes, clearly Fanbyte is not giving the full picture. 🙂

[subtle sparrow]

I mean there literally is no punishment given out by my country to any website, its just laziness at this point, and leave aside my country but China and India "was not worth investigating for the traffic they create"? they only have 3 billion people between them, I am sure thats right

[elfin zinc]

So which law is this? Does anyone know?

[narrow trellis]

"I've mentioned this earlier but I'll clarify again: this decision was not based on any specific law or regulation in any one or more of the blocked countries."

[elfin zinc]

So what is the reason? lmao

[narrow trellis]

#wowhead-feedback-support message

[elfin zinc]

I've read that garbage, says nothing concrete

[narrow trellis]

And then to finish of #wowhead-feedback-support message

[silent gale]

There is no law, but they do not want to pay legal counsel to confirm that so they just block it

[elfin zinc]

Hope this backfires extremely

[narrow trellis]

👍

[viscid heart]

the hope is that the child companies (if there are more than wowhead) can talk sense into the parent company (zam/fanbyte) because if you look back sas was as surprised about this as anyone else

and sas asked for time to talk with them

[thick lark]

The parent company is ZAM

It affects fanbyte

Basically it's ZAM > Fanbyte = Wowhead

= meaning one doesn't own the other

They're sister sites

Frankly this doesn't make any sense given that ZAM is owned by tencent

But whatever

Tencent owns half of the internet anyway

[silent gale]

The country list seems rather arbitrary, like you can't tell me that any of these countries create less traffic then some African or middle eastern countries

[rigid glen]

Any contact info for account/data deletion? Since they cut me from access I do not want them leave my personal data, even battle.net account is connected on Wowhead

[silent gale]

Also, want to know about account/data deletion

[flint talon]

i will contact for such a thing in the upcoming days if there won't be any clarification and will spread word to facebook groups and guilds to act accordingly

[orchid citrus]

Sas is our community manager and is doing whatever he can to help with this situation. Unfortunately this is a situation all of us got caught on by surprise, since it was determined by ZAM, not by us. Some of the comments I'm seeing here are definitely not warranted. I understand this is frustrating, but trust me, we're as frustrated about it as all of you are.

All account/data deletion requests can be emailed to [e-mail].

[rigid glen]

Thanks, @orchid citrus

[rapid shadow]

I was able to access the website by changing my DNS to Google and cloudfare yesterday but I can't access it now

[flint talon]

As I said I appreciate you guys tanking the criticism (even though sas decided to facepalm my comment?) but that channel is a way for us to give/reflect our feelings by such a decision, hopefully this will change the decision and ZAM will review the decision.

[rapid shadow]

is there any other way then accessing the site without a VPN?

[flint talon]

Wowhead is a gem for wow players, and as I reflected even though I am not actively playing the game I still continue to regularly check the web for news and lore and cinematics etc. Yet ZAM should realise that Wowhead is a community driven web site.

[rapid shadow]

m8 I don't think they give a fuck, I think we should focus on a solution rather then blaming them

only solution seems to be a VPN at this point

I've tried proxy but didnt work

[flint talon]

I sincerely believe Wowhead team is not happy with this

[rapid shadow]

yeah I'm talking about the ZAM or whatever the fuck their name is

the big boy company

[orchid citrus]

We're, again, deeply sorry about all of this. Sas is compiling all the feedback (the constructive ones!) and sending it over to the ZAM team. Hopefully he can get this reversed.

[heavy meadow]

Definitely put the part where almost all the content comes from the community: datamined live info, comments, screenshots/videos, guides etc

[mint bobcat]

this is absolutely outrageous. this is akin to blocking access to wikipedia. this time it's not the government but lazy corporate lawyers.

[broken tapir]

the constructive ones? oh thanks ZAM, for blocked us.

[rapid shadow]

looks like a good time to open a new website

[flint talon]

I was gonna comment that at its core Wowhead is a database, but its value comes from comments on the entries. But I think ZAM is focused more on news and content creation side of the wowhead.

[heavy meadow]

It might be my confirmation bias talking, but take away the database, the rest isn't all that special, since there are alternative sites that do those as well

(NOT a commentary about the quality of content by the staff)

[flint talon]

Yeah, my comment is also on this thin line tbh, I don't disrespect any content created by the staff , I enjoyed watching Perculia back when I was actively playing and I enjoy guides and other commentary created by them.

[plucky fractal]

I Guess i found a bug(?) on the website about Ragnaros(FL)(ID:52409), his loots drop are not showing beside 1-3 Living Ember

[junior moon]

Please reach out [e-mail] or [e-mail] for account data deletion. I know Sas already have a website link to start automated process requested by the user for data deletion on wowhead.com

[cerulean mural]

@teal dragonwhats preventing you guys from still providing assets to many sites that use your tooltips and such? its causes issues for many other popular wow sites.

[teal dragon]

I am investigating that. I'm not certain if blocking access to tooltips while visiting third party sites is intentional or an unintended consequence. If it is unintended, hopefully it can be remedied... but it might be an unintended AND unavoidable consequence. I'll do what I can.

[plucky fractal]

Serbia is the only European country that got blocked, come on ZAM, taking the piss.

[rapid shadow]

I just bought surfshark vpn because of this, I hope it get's removed

[junior moon]

Opet nismo uradili copy past gdpr nego nam je malo drugaciji zakon

[plucky fractal]

@junior moon Koliko mi je poznato naši data i privacy zakoni su usaglašeni sa EU, al' dobro, nek' im je na čast 🙂 koristićemo vpn dok se situacija ne popravi

[wet shadow]

hello everyone I'm having issues connecting to wowhead.com from browser. My friends also have the same issue. We live in Turkey and it seems aws has blocked access to Turkey with no reason (might be some bug im not sure) My question is how can I learn the details of this issue?
Are there any staff arround here?

[supple tide]

Hey yes. I just got your DM

I'll reply here instead.

[wet shadow]

sure 🙂

[supple tide]

Please see our community manager's post above. Not something we wanted to do, but Fanbyte HQ implemented the restrictions and then told us.

#wowhead-feedback-support message

[wet shadow]

I saw the pin now

that is sad

[supple tide]

I have no words for this. Their perspective is that many of the laws in question have fines where one single instance would bankrupt us, and we can't afford to comply. THis is pretty much the only option for us

[junior moon]

Usaglaseno sa izmenama 🙂

[wet shadow]

I see thank you @supple tide

[supple tide]

I'm sorry, but I really have no further comment. Wowhead did not make the decision, but we understand why it was made. It's unfortunate, but it's a risk that Fanbyte decided not to take.

[dire perch]

The most stupid thing is that zam's website is still available is there are direct contact to them to compliment their stupidity in person?

[plucky fractal]

can you DM me pls, I don't want to spam this server with non english language, I have a short question.

[flint latch]

As a Turkish citizen, I know that our laws demand many resources if you want to comply. But I think that is true for social media platforms, not for wowhead like sites.

Also I don't know if our country can sentence you to pay a fine? They can block access to wowhead if you don't comply, but I don't think so they can do more since Wowhead has no Turkey office.

[keen mesa]

I just hope people using VPNs to access Wowhead while playing WoW aren't mistakenly flagged for suspicious behavior, suspensions, etc :\

[daring pilot]

Well all preminum vpns has browser expention

[keen mesa]

True

[daring pilot]

But I’m really afraid of Addons

A lot addons take data from websites so that will corrupt a lot of addons

[tame pine]

it's not because turkey or any other country is gonna fine them or block them.
basically blocking almost 4 billion people, half of the world, from accessing your website is more profitable than going through the legal work in case something happens. that doesn't sound like a good move at all but that's what they decided it seems

[woeful ferry]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[junior moon]

Send that to [e-mail]

[woeful ferry]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[wary herald]

Sorry if it's done the wrong way, there seems to be a coding problem with one of your declaration/value assignment with your $covenant at least all the covenant specific pages in paladins seems to be affected
It can be seen here for exemple https://www.wowhead.com/guides/night-fae-protection-paladin-covenant-best-soulbinds-shadowlands#double-legendaries

[viscid heart]

< > around the link to make it linky but without preview

[flint latch]

they said that any fine caused by those laws can cause bankruptcy, and I don’t know if Turkey can demand fine from Wowhead which doesn’t have any office in Turkey. Turkey can block access to Wowhead at most

[amber arrow]

Turkey has a lot of WOW players. I cannot belive you decided block us 😦

[red lodge]

Why the hell is Turkey blocked?

What did we ever do man

Our currency has plummeted, paying for wow is the equivalent of paying 1/4th of your minimum wage and now I have to pay for a vpn if I want to use wowhead?

[orchid citrus]

Please read the pins on this channel for an explanation. I would like to once again reiterate that this decision was by ZAM/Fanbyte, the company that owns Wowhead, and not anyone on the Wowhead team.

[red lodge]

Great, fantastic.

[crystal olive]

fixing it, thanks

[wary herald]

NP thanks to you all

[flint talon]

That is why I don't literally get it, imagine a website like Wired blocking access from Turkey...

[rapid shadow]

does anybody know which 3rd party addons take data from wowhead?

since ZAM decided to block access, just wanna know which addons we need to be aware of

[viscid heart]

none, and it isnt like you can access anything from ingame.
so the creator would need to be in one of the countries and not be able to use a VPN while using wowhead as only information source

[rapid shadow]

got it, thanks

[sinful cobalt]

Im getting this when i try to aces the wowhead website does anyone now how to fix it

[rapid shadow]

information is on the pinned messages section

[teal dragon]

Please see #wowhead-feedback-support message

[sinful cobalt]

ty

dang it im on the list 😦

[teal dragon]

I made some moderate changes to this post, primarily condensing things to be more concise. I've also added instructions for how to handle any account/Premium issues stemming from the block. Thank you.

[strange lion]

@teal dragon does the list of community feedback being compiled include something like hosting a fundraiser to pay for the legal expenses to ensure they're compliant? Instead of everyone having to pay for vpn, maybe they wanna chip in. Obviously might not be well received, but people might appreciate the option, I don't know. At least Fanbyte or whoever wins the prize for 'most random decision 2022' lol

[teal dragon]

That wouldn't be possible, for its own slew of legal reasons. 😐 I like the sentiment though.

[strange lion]

That's unlucky

Hope we get somewhere just with being extremely dissatisfied then!

[short nova]

mostly raider IO tooltips, warcraftlogs and subcreation.net won't work, addons maybe fine

[random crescent]

@teal dragon it seems that the Twitch Extension may still be having issues unfortunately. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/barthilas/divinepaly

[teal dragon]

Not a bug on our end, Blizzard's API does not return any data for a character named divinepaly on US-Barthilas.

[random crescent]

I'm not sure what it could be... I'm playing on the toon at the moment and armory link is there and fine

[teal dragon]

You might want to check your privacy settings.

[random crescent]

which privacy settings?

[teal dragon]

https://account.battle.net/privacy
Make sure it's enabled.

[teal dragon]

It looks like that was the issue, as you're showing in the API again. The Twitch extension should work for you now.

[mint escarp]

What an unbelievably lame decision by ZAM and Fanbyte. 99%+ of the websites on earth find a way to remain accessible in the seven countries that are supposedly too "expensive" for you. Been hearing from people in multiple guilds and multiple regions today who feel it's time for everyone to part ways with Wowhead and Fanbyte, and use competing websites instead. Sure, the number of players in these seven countries may be small, but you apparently forgot that World of Warcraft is a guild-centric game, and thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of players have friends in those countries. This is the most short-sighted decision you've ever made.

[random crescent]

had to also tick active as well 🙂

[low dirge]

So, ZAM/Fanbyte blocked our countries not because there is any law against them, but in case there might be one? In other words, the decision was to throw the baby along with the bathwater, except it's not even known if the bathwater is dirty in the first place? That's very disappointing. I'm sure it was a tough decision but, alas, it's also a poor one.

[dreamy drum]

Why would I delete my data, after being with the website for like 12 years? By this point, you know more about my habits than I do, lol.

Tbf, it is extremely unfortunate that this has happened, and our access is cut off, especially since parallel using a vpn and gaming can be very cumbersome, not to mention restrictive in other ways.

Pure laziness from Zam, but bad press is still press, especially when they effectively own monopoly over a certain service, which what wowhead has become in providing wow data

Sorry for tweeting at you @junior moon, I totally forgot to check discord. 😄

[junior moon]

All good

[mint escarp]

The decision is not just disrespectful to the fans who helped build Wowhead. It will do material and financial damage to Zam.
Because now every member of the Wowhead community has to ask the question: what if my country gets cut off next?
(Except, I guess, if you live in America, since Zam is a US company.)
Particularly if you live in a small country which doesn't have a huge WoW following. Before you post that next comment you'll have to ask yourself, is this worth it? What if they cut off my country next week because it's not "economically viable" either?
Who knows what the limits to this are. Maybe one day Zam will be up against the wall financially, look at GDPR and say, "That's too expensive to comply with" -- and cut off their users in the EU. Sounds crazy but so did cutting off some of the most active countries in the Oceanic player base just a few days ago.

[shut ocean]

Just don't ban us from discord as-well cos its not "economically viable".

[loud marlin]

Did you get any warning from BTK? BTK means information technology and communication agency of Turkey

[rancid copper]

Y'all are getting mad at the wrong people. I don't think any of the staff here had anything to do with this decision - everything I've seen is basically them saying it's out of their hands. It's not a wowhead decision, it's by their parent company. And I don't think any of the executives are reading this channel. The staff already said they're compiling feedback, so submit your complaints to [e-mail] as directed so they can pass it along.

[cloud igloo]

hello, regarding turkey being banned from wowhead, can someone explain how being able to access a site will make the site liable, i have been using internet as long as i can remember and it was always my country blocking sites from being accessed, never in my life i have been blocked by a site. in other words, how can a site being reachable makes site liable? i can think of a problem maaybe that can occur if you have an account and have a both sided relationship with the site, as far as i can figure, if you block account creation from the countries it should be %100 safe?

[amber arrow]

Hi !
I have contributed a lot to the wowhead for the past 5+ years with my comments, screenshots and guides and now im banned because of this discriminatory ZAM decision. Can you please provide me a contact address so i can pass my sincere feedback to the related authorities? You keep saying this is not wowhead decision and we don't know how to make our voice heard.

[orchid citrus]

Please send all related feedback to [e-mail], our Community Manager is compiling all feedback from disgruntled users and sending it over.

[rustic fern]

Bunch of bullshit, after 14 years the website is now blocked

[signal lion]

can't you use vpn?

[exotic tiger]

why did some countries got blocked i didnt understand

[rugged valve]

@exotic tiger check pinned stuff

@signal lion yeah even opera built-in works

[teal dragon]

None of us are lawyers. We can't explain how or why there's a liability, we've just been told there is one. We either pay an exorbitant amount to find out what those are and how we can resolve them, or we block traffic from the country itself to eliminate the liability entirely. 😞

[barren river]

Thanks so much for this tip, i feel more people should see this as a free alternative 😄

[iron quarry]

how are we going to get information we need now? other websites are just not even in the conversation...

[bold umbra]

@teal dragon https://www.wowhead.com/guides/zereth-mortis-activities-how-to-unlock still describes the Patterns Within Patterns quest as being biweekly, while it is currently weekly

And it appears the segment on farming cyphers in https://www.wowhead.com/guides/cypher-of-the-first-ones-research-zereth-mortis-progression#zmpuzzles-fugueal-protolock also references it as bi-weekly

There might be other places where that quest is still described as bi-weekly

[subtle sparrow]

Do not tell anyone you've heard from me but there is a massive liability for Wowhead because it can be accessed from the US. It is after all the most litigious country in the world, I am sure someone will find something to sue you guys over. Please now block USA, as you seem to operate based on hearsay.

[pliant tendon]

Wowhead isn't even responsible for the decision, please stop acting like childrens.

[iron quarry]

ok

[teal dragon]

I recognize this situation is unpleasant for you and many others, and I'm being flexible on moderation with that in mind, but do not post further trolling comments or you may be forced to no longer access this server either.

[teal dragon]

I'll pass this along to the author. Thank you.

[quasi linden]

Bonus IDs for crafted items still aren't producing the correct tooltips: https://www.wowhead.com/item=173131&bonus=7881:7960:6649&gems=&ench=6166 (tooltip ilvl should be 262, showing as 151 when embedded using https://www.wowhead.com/tooltips

[cloud igloo]

my daily protest of #freeturkey . thanks for listening

[hollow ravine]

So if you're not sure if you're compliant, how can you be sure you're not? This is a BS excuse. And Serbia is an EU candidate state that is synchronizing its laws to those of EU on its road to becoming a member. Does that mean soon ZAM will block the whole of EU? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Serbia_to_the_European_Union

After so many years i even forgot how long of daily browsing wowhead, commenting, contributing, my whole country (Serbia) gets blocked without a notice or explanation. Whoever made this decision should be fired. This is not how you treat your customers.

[hollow ravine]

Thank you for your patience, but since we have no way to access those in charge of this decision, could you check where the resources to "verify" 185+ countries, but block these few specific ones on the grounds that it would be "too expensive". Serbia is in Europe and both smaller and larger countries are apparently greelit, but it's too expensive to do it here? Sounds fishy (not saying it's you, it's whoever came up with this BS excuse).

[rugged valve]

jesus just use vpn 2 extra clicks aint gonna kill ya

those mods being nice literally not saying if u wouldve paid we wouldnt have blocked you right into your face

[deft veldt]

vpn is a valid solution? Give me a break.

[errant pecan]

Thai, Turkish, and Indian guildmates can confirm they're fine just using Opera's built-in VPN. It's a free browser

[rugged valve]

@deft veldt it is tbf

using it since the website blocked never had problems, using opera's built-in as well

[deft veldt]

I didn't say a working solution

You shouldn't have to route your internet traffic

[rugged valve]

Yea what you gonna do dire times

[lament needle]

I was wondering why I couldnt access to Wowhead for past 3-4 days

apparently Turkey is also banned

as long as you dont host/publicly share porn(unless youre twitter) our nternet cencorship barely exist(and not counting news publications etc which delve into politics) its a shame to lose my bookmark I open every day

[young jackal]

For now, Opera VPN is the only solution we have right now. I don't know if ZAM network gonna do something about this BS situation at all. Well, we gotta wait and see

[hollow ravine]

So i have to pay for a VPN and my wowhead premium? For some unknown reason? The fact that Serbia is literally the ONLY european country that got banned for "potential law issues"? Saying that they can't "afford" to investigate but they could for 185+ other countries? Give me a break.

Mods are amazing and i commend them for it. But since i am not getting responses to my emails, this is the only avenue where i can air my complaints and frustration.

[errant pecan]

Try using Opera, it's a free browser with a built-in VPN

[shut ocean]

I'm curious will you guys stay on this "why u mad, just use a VPN" rhetoric, when ZAM decides to ban VPN addresses as well? Its just as easy to ban as a country. Quit trivialising an injustice, with band-aid solutions.

[errant pecan]

It's not a "why u mad" situation, it's a "that sucks, here's a temporary workaround for now"

Nobody is saying it doesn't suck

[karmic rover]

Exactly. Being rude towards Wowhead staff won't make any difference because it's not their choice.
Also Tor browser works like a charm as well if Opera vpn is slow. I wouldn't recommend logging your Wowhead acc via Tor but you can still browse Wowhead normally without being logged in

[elfin zinc]

Even mildly protesting the decision some here find rude. Brown is the way

Let the moderators moderate and police, all you do is make people who are affected by this even more mad and prone to actually being rude

[karmic rover]

I'm not saying you shouldn't protest the decision, I'm saying people shouldn't attack or be rude towards Wowhead staff. I'm also affected and instead of lashing out at the staff I gave an actual helpful advice to people who are also affected.

[lament needle]

A better explanation would make much more sense than just "Oh its because of legal reasons which we dont even know if we'd be held accountable". I hope ZAM staff find a better solution than outright ban countries

[shut ocean]

These solutions mean nothing to me, if I'm gonna use a VPN, it will be one of my own making (money isn't the issue here). I care about who has access to my data; I'm not gonna give it to Opera or worse yet the Tor network. The fact of the matter is the decision to flip the switch was made with no announcements, I was greeted with a 403; a service I've helped by providing both in terms of game data and towards the community aspect since the times of Thotbot. I saw no effort made whatsoever towards offering a real solution and it is even more painful knowing how little money actually is needed to fund said legal solutions (its a lot for a singular person, but a drop in the bucket for an LLC with 50+ employees for my country at least - I cant comment on others).

I appreciate those of you who are just out there to help with advice for those that don't know how to circumvent the ban. But some comments literally are salt in the wound. Its not addressing the actual problem; how is it possible that ZAM is so poorly monetising the wowhead site and why was no effort made into preventing this, instead of just pulling the rug from under us. - Last post from me on the matter, all the best.

[mint bobcat]

i'd like to see those vpn advisers if their country were also banned. hypocrites...

[solemn hawk]

my daily protest of #unbanturkey.

[karmic cloak]

I think we are all aware this has nothing to do with legal compliance issues, that has been made crystal clear for the last 4-5 days by many people. I'm also pretty sure none of the staff here know the real motivation behind this decision but the list looks a bit suspicious in some ways. Also, ZAM network's website is still available in Turkey, you might want to warn them before they recieve an astronomical fine due to legal compliance issues.

[rugged valve]

Never said u should pay for it, stated opera as an option before. Dont even care if u want/dont want people to access your data thru a VPN. You cant access to website, here is your solution. I'm also affected by this yet im not keyboard bashing here to ppl literally has nothing to do with the situation.

[iron quarry]

you dont have to play wow without wowhead

opera gx has a built-in vpn that doesnt affect other apps,freely browse wowhead with vpn on,after you're done turn it off...

[cloud igloo]

this is my daily protest of #freeturkey . thanks for listening.

[bold umbra]

Something is not quite right (most recent article)

[crystal olive]

what's wrong

[bold umbra]

read the header, then look at the linked guides

[flint talon]

Heroic vs Mythic

[crystal olive]

ahhh

heroic

I see

[bold umbra]

It's the header for the heroic guides for the last 3 bosses, but you're mentioning the guides for the mythic first 3 bosses

[crystal olive]

fixed

[bold umbra]

So you just removed that section entirely instead of linking the tentative guides you said you had?

[crystal olive]

they are linking to the same guides

changed to only the mythic ones right now

as I don't have the link to the heroic ones, asking the author for that

[bold umbra]

okay, I see

[rapid shadow]

Does Wowhead and raider.io have any connection about raid data or something like that?

[broken tapir]

Blizzard should remove this.

[loud remnant]

Hi! Is there a specific email address I can contact in regards to event sponsorship requests?

I was going to email the advertising account for FanByte, but wasn't sure if that was the one I should email.

[crude urchin]

[e-mail]

[loud remnant]

Thank you!

[rich niche]

I cannot seem to log-in with my battle.net account on the website anymore. Already sent in a really nice feedback form on the website but figured I'd also mention it here to see if anyone else ran into that issue.

[shut pulsar]

Why indonesian got blocked by wowhead?

[narrow trellis]

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[shut pulsar]

Ahh i see

Thanks :(

[random robin]

People who says "Just use VPN." are complete idiots.
Just think about it.
They say the reason for discontinuing service due to operational costs.
What's the point of stopping the service if people going to use a VPN and still be able to access the website?
If money is the case, they probably going to block VPN's to access to website in the end.

[cloud igloo]

this is my daily protest of #freeturkey and other countries that banned in an unjust manner. thanks for listening.

[teal dragon]

We have no reason to block VPNs. Anyone affected is welcome to use whatever tools they have available to them.

[teal dragon]

This is the last one that will be permitted. The decision will not be changing, you're welcome to stay in the server but no more of these please. Thank you.

[random robin]

Then why would you even block these countries to access to your websites? It doesn't makes sense. These people will still provide traffic to servers if they reach out via VPN and it will cost you anyway. If that's not the case then don't tell us it's because of operational costs or something like that because it's not believable.

[teal dragon]

Operational costs don't solely include bandwidth/CDN... you're only thinking of one piece (arguably the tiniest one).

[rugged valve]

@teal dragon think they doin it just for clouts and stream views tho, so yeah id say dont mind em but spammin kinda cringe

[barren mist]

@teal dragon regarding thailand specifically, is the concern over the upcoming PDPA laws?

I reside in Thailand and i'm doing some light work surrounding PDPA. It is almost a direct (and inferior) copy-paste of GDPR.

If Wowhead is GDPR compliant, it will almost certainly be PDPA compliant too.

Any extra info over why this specific list of countries was chosen, and why now, would be greatly appreciated. I can't think of any other reason except PDPA for Thailand in particular though.

Ah, i misread, it's the entire CDN....oof ok..

[teal dragon]

I don't know everything that was considered in the analysis. Sorry. 😞

[barren mist]

I don't even know what to say, it's pretty shocking that fanbyte/ZAM feels its not even worth a legal review to understand compliance and would rather just strike off multiple large countries entirely.

I can only assume there are some serious internal budget / operational problems contributing towards this decision

Hopefully a company with a competent legal team purchases wowhead ASAP, or at least the rights to operate it in asia

[crisp siren]

asia doesn’t generate enough traffic or profit to break even the cost of doing all the legal stuff and wowhead is still a company that needs to generate profit - if they’ve chosen to not operate in asia then surely that just means the market is open for someone else to make an asian version of wowhead

realistically tho it doesn’t matter if people from these asian countries protest or complain because they’ve already chosen to ignore

[barren mist]

Seems very short sighted, driving interest / traffic to a competitor that will invariably also eat away at their traffic in countries they haven't blocked.

[crisp siren]

and even if the regular complaints wore them down to the point of making a loss on this legal stuff, then wowhead could disappear entirely depending on their financial situation atm. they are a website that relies on another company being good/producing good content

it’s not entirely short sighted when wowhead has been around for a lot of years now and have the data to back up their decisions

[barren mist]

This is just a very weird decision, fanbyte aren't the only online business on the internet. I haven't seen anyone else, including much smaller operations, outright blocking most of asia citing 'legal reasons'

their justification doesn't really sell it for me

I expect we'll find out something more soon.

[crisp siren]

what do you think it is then

it’s really not a weird decision to make when it costs more to do something than you generate in profit

why would a business choose to make losses

they’re not a charity

[teal dragon]

There's really nothing more that's going to be said. The operational costs to serve the affected regions exceeds the revenue earned, we cannot justify it. I've said it elsewhere: this sucks. We don't like it... I really don't like it, but it's the reality we all have to accept. I can't elaborate any further. I'm not asking anyone to not vent their frustration or disappointment if compelled to do so, but sadly no amount of complaints are going to result in some deeper revelation or a reversal of the decision. We will periodically review what regions can and cannot access the site, probably annually.

[barren mist]

I understand you have your hands tied on this.

I personally and professionally am very interested to understand what kind of compliance issues are cited as needing review in these countries (specifically thailand)...but i wont hold my breath.

Guess i'll just VPN to australia whenever i play, don't tell your legal team! 🤫

[teal dragon]

We have no reason or justification to attempt to prevent you from doing so, neither does the legal team. If people get around this through tools and means widely available online, that's to their discretion. 🙂

[barren mist]

well...your operations and legal team couldn't stop VPN users even if you wanted to 😜

[plucky fractal]

If they had a legal team, we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with

[barren mist]

They definitely have one, they're just very risk averse
As our friend Sas has said elsewhere, the issue is they are too small to afford to verify compliance but too big to ignore it and risk fines.

It makes sense....i don't agree, and i hate it, but it makes sense.

[harsh verge]

why?

[rugged valve]

@harsh verge cuz he cant access wowhead in his country so he wants it to be removed for everyone else who plays wow

god tier logic

[versed furnace]

Blocking certain countries is really weird decision. I don't know any other web site that is doing this. Fanbyte/ZAM has to be doing some borderline illegal stuff to be scared of legal repercussions.

[opal spruce]

^ I have a similar sentiment. It's not my place to judge Wowhead for this given that it's (supposedly) the decision of upper management - but I'm still upset that it has come to this - and I think many people have made their point. The logic behind the decision making is a bit flawed in my opinion as well - while I of course don't know the real specifics behind it, some things just don't add up.

That said, while I understand that VPN is definitely a viable option, it's still a bothersome option to turn it on/off just for Wowhead.

[random robin]

Maybe you should close the site for everybody because it makes the game not fair play anymore for those who can't access to Wowhead since it's providing tremendous amount of information about the game.

[barren mist]

Every country has their own laws regulating how user data should be collected, stored and processed. These laws change sometimes.

When the EU dropped GDPR a bunch of US websites just blocked europe because they didnt want to spend the time and resources to even bother trying to understand if they were compliant or not.

Fanbyte is just doing that.
Apparently the cost to understand if they're compliant > revenue from these countries, so bye bye to those people

I'm not a lawyer but i do interact with data privacy professionally, imo if you are GDPR compliant you are like 95% compliant in every other country.
The biggest problem will often be where the data is stored.

[rugged valve]

kekw

[versed furnace]

So they could have only said that if you are from those countries you can't create an account to not store data from those users, and you would still be able to access web site in read only mode. That would be fine. Also isn't liability if they already have user data stored before they blocked access?

[void oar]

pretty upset too, out of nowhere, tried accessing wowhead today after not going on it for a week or 2 and just cant

🙂

what a way to alienate your userbase

[random robin]

Don't talk too much about this or they'll call you a clown for doing so. They can't even empathise how weird that you can't access to a website which the game itself suggests to use that site.

[void oar]

yeah i know

this pushed me to unsub lmao

i hope wow devs just push on wowhead to take back this decision

especially since china is one of the banned countries

[random robin]

I've already talked with community manager and he said they'll look into this situation.

[void oar]

good

[barren mist]

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