csla_iron_curtain

[inner urchin]

only looks…

[upper galleon]

People don't get that choice on steam, it is either 👎 or 👍 so it will have a tendency to push more positive and more negative than otherwise if most would rate it 4 out of 10

[leaden kite]

yeah, it's really upsetting

[shy ibex]

why though? 4/10 is not a good score people would be motivated to buy either

[leaden kite]

for me it's a recommended with an asterisk the size of.. 256km^2

[bold mulch]

I've been buing worse games

[inner urchin]

true but i think it has something to offer, like the camo netting on the helmets are a nice touch some models looks absolutely gorgeous (alice packs, radios, some other infantry models) but that’d barely contribute 0.5-1 point to the rating and i think its already in there

[inner urchin]

BIG RIGS OVER THE ROAD RACING

[bold mulch]

I bet there is a fair amount of people who bought CSLA, left a negative review without refunding it as they wait until most of issues are resolved. Then the situation will change, a new promo comes and people start buying it like GM

[severe willow]

csla just dropped, why so many bad reviews?

[bold mulch]

get yourself a popcorn and read everything above

[upper galleon]

imo the best selling point for this CDLC is its map the rest is a "you can get it for free with CUP and reskins mods on steamworkshop"

[inner urchin]

they can and might no man sky it

[shy ibex]

because "1t ShOuLd bE fRe3" , some ported assets, and also (legit) bugs

[inner urchin]

honestly, the mi-17 arent really a big issue but they just need to get their shit together somehow, if you know what i mean, they got lots to fix

[timid quartz]

I think the map is OK, Idk why people are so excited about it, towns feel small (besides the largest town) lot's of non-enter-able buildings (unlike Weferlingen) - a shitload of A2 buildings, feels like im walking downtown Cherno/Elektro with all the non-enterable apartment buildings

[severe willow]

well to be fair it does look like CUP and RHS if they added a few new vehicles and made a map

[bold mulch]

my biggest issue is with uniforms and sounds

I don't care about vehicles that much

and map is okayish

but I have a genuine massi PTSD by looking at the ghillie

[timid quartz]

Ghillie is A2 no?

[inner urchin]

i looked around it and thought of like instantly about 3 different scenarios, but its very specific and prob was like that because the devs planned it

[west knot]

same

[bold mulch]

I have no idea, I played A2 for 25 minutes

[west knot]

Devs also said that there won't be any voices.

)))

[timid quartz]

The border is cool-ish, there are a few cool areas around the map but outside of that.. meh, I love Livonia though

[west knot]

Since the ones in A2 are not complete and making own is "to much work and exspensive" )))

[timid quartz]

Wait, they are Czech, published by a Czech company but no Czech voices?

[leaden kite]

idk, outside of the fire station and a few others (super market), idk which ones would be ported.
Not sure about enterable buildings, haven't had enough time to look through it, but the ones that are, are pretty awesome

[uneven cobalt]

we need to czech that out

[bold mulch]

[timid quartz]

I could point out about 20+ buildings tbh

[inner urchin]

-the one town have a church at the top of a hill, could do a cod4 style heat mission there
-the forest are gonna be dope for hunter killer shiet
-the highway is begging to be desert stormed

just a few

[timid quartz]

firestation, supermarket, all the big buildings from Cherno and Elektro, the Stary tents

[keen sparrow]

There is a reason (I think time/Covid releated) searching.

[bold mulch]

aaand fuel station

[inner urchin]

but then they should delay it

remember oh god…

remember cyberpunk….?

…

-barfs-

[timid quartz]

Look, either you publish something you are happy with and proud of, or you don't

[leaden kite]

I'll have another look when I can. But SOG didn't really do it differently. There's tons of ported stuff there, too

[bold mulch]

I don't get the comparison

[proud oxide]

CSLA will give me more enjoyment and last longer than the two mixed drinks I'll skip to buy the Creator DLC.

[bold mulch]

different parts of gamedev

[inner urchin]

kinda do, hyped up product, kinda unfinished, buggy too, and released cuz deadlines

tbf on the chaos scale csla is like a 1 cyberpunk is like an 11-12

[timid quartz]

but SOG has great assets, a whole COOP Campaign, tunnel sytems, Mike Force.. they tried (re)inventing some cool things tbh

[bold mulch]

if CSLA was developed with budget of Cyberpunk, same quality of Cyberpunk then Marek Spanel would close BI and ask for being hired to CSLA team

[echo sluice]

tunnel systems

Great, now i can have claustrophobia in game too!

[inner urchin]

its an analogy dude (not to sound like a dick)

[leaden kite]

fair but it's also double the price. I'd agree that the value of CSLA (even considering its price) is low when you take away the map, but I think people compare it to other cdlc blindly

[keen sparrow]

For the US part of the cDLC yes.

[bold mulch]

don't dude me dude

yeah but jokes away

[inner urchin]

i love pf sog but the way they organize units in eden makes me wanna shove the shotgun up my bunghole

as a zeus its sooooo painful

kimda

im a just a lazy zeus

;-;

[bold mulch]

what do you mean

[inner urchin]

ok so

[bold mulch]

you can restrict the factions if using ZEN

[inner urchin]

all the factions are in 1 folder with many subfolders

[timid quartz]

I mean, fair enough, currently none of the new buildings are place-able in even the editor from CSLA.. beause of "clutter" but then there are 12 identical Alice packpacks of "meh" quality in the arsenal

[inner urchin]

only the big ones, technically the game counts all pf sog units as one faction

with different branches

thats how it is in the zen faction filter

[turbid sonnet]

@timid quartz not to mention in SOG the additional things they did to the ported stuff to make them better.

[inner urchin]

yeah true too

at the cost of late war stuff 1969 (nice) stuff onwards to like 75 (no late model phantoms, no uh-1h and twin hueys) the models look an entire gen ahead

its like ps3 and ps4 something something gamer words

[turbid sonnet]

Not gonna lie i would kill for a 50s early 60s dlc tho,

[inner urchin]

well in the end i never got to play it cuz money

[delicate zenith]

korean war dlc hell yeah

[bold mulch]

a question - does any CSLA vehicle model has square wheels if seen at distances longer than 100m?

[inner urchin]

depends on render distance(?)

not the dlc

[bold mulch]

on the DLC as they make LODs

[half swallow]

just depends how they did their LODs

[leaden kite]

Also sherm, tone down the clickbait titles by 30%, I wanna resub

[inner urchin]

if the rumors are true and they were ported, atleast the arma 2 models, bis did a great job cuz cup still holds up

[timid quartz]

I'll let you know when Arma is sort of relevant again + I don't CB half as much as some other people, I won't drag this convo any further down tho

[bold mulch]

if I understand correctly the machine translation from Czech they said that vehicles on 100m+ are unrecognizable(?) thus made a LODs so bad some vehicles have square wheels

[echo sluice]

Rhs

[bold mulch]

can't check right now though

[turbid sonnet]

@timid quartz so arma 4 then?

[delicate zenith]

1. rhs sucks 2) no BAR, no bazooka, no thompson, etc

[inner urchin]

wym? rhs is post cold war to now only?

[leaden kite]

Nah I actually watch more stuff than just arma. But when I read the GoH title saying OBLITERATED, I was like "pls."

[timid quartz]

HALO mod sucks, they have no Star Wars equipment, same complaint lmao - also RHS has some WW2 stuff but it's not the point of RHS mod

[delicate zenith]

okay maybe dont suggest RHS then when I say korean war dlc lmao

[leaden kite]

Disney = unhappy with mods

[echo sluice]

Nope, most of the stuff you can find in mods with the suite

[inner urchin]

use ifa or fow

wha- i dont get it?

[bold mulch]

ifa cringe

fow king

[short vortex]

Better not post or try to understand anything translated automatically from Czech as that discussion was about something totaly unrelated

[inner urchin]

thats why i said both

anyways

[turbid sonnet]

@echo sluice issue is to make a Korean war op you need a minimum ww2 mod and unsung if you want a decent spread of early cold war stuff

[inner urchin]

true, and thats…

[echo sluice]

you dont need unsung

[inner urchin]

oof

[bold mulch]

could you clarify that for me then?

[echo sluice]

you can just use rhs for most of it, then pack it with cup and niarms

[visual leaf]

We should all stop complaining so the devs can start fixing things instead of reading this and pooling all their hairs out

[echo sluice]

vanilla stuff also works well in places

[inner urchin]

wait wait why are we using rhs for the 50s doh?

[leaden kite]

we're already past that point, chief

[echo sluice]

it has apc's, weapons, some faction equip, etc

[visual leaf]

They no longer have hair?

[inner urchin]

ww2 mods work, unsung covers it in some aspect

[inner urchin]

ok, name me one thing that was present in the korean war thats in rhs, thats not the m2 or dshks and shit

[delicate zenith]

i'd rather not have to download 30 different mods just for the korean war imo

[inner urchin]

dude 30 is standard

[delicate zenith]

ok

i dont like it

[inner urchin]

some servers or clans have 200

[delicate zenith]

yeah and they suck

objectively

[bold mulch]

others do mod repacks

[leaden kite]

Unironically wouldn't want to be in their shoes right now, though. Must be shitty to launch something you worked on for so long just to have it torn apart by everyone. (justified or not)

[inner urchin]

they have good people but yeah

[echo sluice]

M114

*3

[inner urchin]

its not about the anount its the size

[turbid sonnet]

@echo sluice if you want to make an op in the late 50s early 60s things like air power are only covered in unsung. Unless you know of a mod that contains tri service planes like Skyhawks and super sabers.

[inner urchin]

say that again (and yes i read m113) really slowly

[echo sluice]

M113

[inner urchin]

the m113 in the korean war?

[echo sluice]

you said one thing

the m113 is still used today lmao

[inner urchin]

it was accepted into service

[echo sluice]

it was used in korea, it was used in vietnam

[inner urchin]

in 1960…

[turbid sonnet]

Also unsung has the armor and arty seen suring the times with m48 pattons, Sheridan, ect...

[inner urchin]

honey you are thinking of the m75

and no 48 pattons werre mid-late fifties you’re thinking about the 47

sheridan is early 60s

[echo sluice]

oh my fucking bad that im not some perfect tank recaller

sorry i didnt memorize every military thing known to man

[inner urchin]

look im not grilling you

[visual leaf]

It is not bad work by any means... it is not so good compared to SOG and GM and players kinda expected quality only to raise with subsequent cDLCs. That is actually why I suggested that some improvements made by the older cDLCs make into Vanilla, the generic universal stuff like the Logistic modules, support modules, improved UI, Melee etc... so that newer cDLCs don't feel worst that the previous ones

[inner urchin]

but thats one google away

[echo sluice]

but thats me literally not caring

[inner urchin]

then whats the point of this convo?

[short vortex]

I was just pointing out that at a certain distance you can not recognize what the polycount of a model is as they would look alike. If you have problems with square wheels, then that means you're seeing last lods and that would mean there are most likely some performance/draw distance issues going on. Especially as our models are not that poly/texture sections heavy. Was that a particular vehicle or just random?

[echo sluice]

im just waiting for someone to help me in troubleshooting or questions

[inner urchin]

anyways

[timid quartz]

They were warned by a lot of testers tbth

[inner urchin]

heh, then who made then release it?

who killed (was it roger rabbit?)

who killed the dlc?

yeah

[leaden kite]

I think they deserve the backlash if they didn't listen or declined a second testing phase but I still empathize with them. Deserved but

[visual leaf]

BI devs where warned too! And not only by testers...

[inner urchin]

oh if thats the case then they get no sympathy

shame

[bold mulch]

I am sure about this with MLRS artillery vehicle, I know that on one of your promo screenshot there was a vehicle with square wheels but I had no time to actually verify that in-game. I'll definitely leave a feedback once I be able to sit a little bit longer with the cDLC

out of curiosity, if you were following either steam reviews or this channel - do you think our negative feedback is reasonable?

[short vortex]

Ok. Leave a feedback when possible.

[turbid sonnet]

Yep if they knowingly did this then they deserve the criticism.

[inner urchin]

ya know looking at their work

they did mods for arma 2

and they stopped around idk

a year ago?

presumably to do csla

only a theory, again

but that means they spent a year

on this?

otherwise what the hell were they doing in between that time?

[leaden kite]

wut

that's not how it works at all

[turbid sonnet]

@inner urchin I got $20 on large amounts of Columbian marching powder...

[leaden kite]

a game/DLC is usually feature-complete about a year before anyone every gets their hands on it

ofc that can vary

[timid quartz]

It really bothers me that there isn't a clear answer - unless I missed a statement saying "Nothing is from previous Arma installments."

[echo sluice]

I know that came out your rear end

[inner urchin]

yoooooo check the blogspot btw

its in the description of this channel

the first screenshot

was in 2019

[timid quartz]

Because clearly some things are, now I wonder how much is, what is totally OC, vs what isnt

[upper galleon]

17% approval. That puts it as #2 worst game on steam, tied with "Uriel's Chasm", currently also at 17% 🌈

[inner urchin]

they started in 2019 they had 2 years!

[bold mulch]

do you consider retextures as OC?

[inner urchin]

whats the #1 again?

lemme google that actually

[timid quartz]

Retextures of A2 content? No

[bold mulch]

because from what I understand BI treats everything "custom" as brand new

[upper galleon]

Flatout 3 at 15%

[timid quartz]

If I paint my car, is it new?

[inner urchin]

of course

[inner urchin]

no

well

[leaden kite]

by that metric, no retextures are original content, though.

[inner urchin]

unless you’re in gta

[upper galleon]

brand new and sealed with new car smell

[leaden kite]

which comes with its own host of issues

[bold mulch]

if you change a cover of your book then it's technically new

[inner urchin]

there was a reddit post up comparing cup models with csla

[timid quartz]

Not the contents tho

[timid quartz]

Its telling lmao

[inner urchin]

skin aside things like pip, model proportions, and sculpting

it was identical

[turbid sonnet]

That must have been a blood bath...

[inner urchin]

nah

5 comments so far

[visual leaf]

Share please

[inner urchin]

buried

[timid quartz]

I want CSLA to be great, I had so much fun with GM and SOGPF.. just CSLA doesn't feel like they did/do

[bold mulch]

i really wish SunCZu or anybody from CSLA would say anything after so many hours of debating what CSLA really is

[inner wren]

The csla discord is definitely a blood bath rn

[bold mulch]

yeah, it is

[inner urchin]

internet is slow ill try to find it

gimme like 5 max

[leaden kite]

the best thing to do in these situations is to say nothing at all until you have a clear picture of everything going on.

[visual leaf]

Worst than this and/or the steam reviews?

[inner wren]

Way worse

[bold mulch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/o14mrd/csla_and_cup_share_assets_11_paid_mod_confirmed/

[boreal hornet]

I have to request a refund, first Arma 3 DLC to refund, I will wait it to improve in the future, it's just not worth it, such a shame the map itself is pretty decent, but the assets are way too terrible

[inner urchin]

oh nvm found it

https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/o14mrd/csla_and_cup_share_assets_11_paid_mod_confirmed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

ah shit

beat me to it

:((

[bold mulch]

[inner urchin]

;(( make me cri

why

[compact kindle]

what the fuck is this dlc? literally just an A2 repack

[bold mulch]

xD

made me laugh ngl

[inner urchin]

i was horrified

[bold mulch]

I love your prof pic man

[inner urchin]

cuz like what happened was, i bought it, hopped onto reddit

and saw that

and im like

[bold mulch]

but back to the retexture - if it's not OC then what retexture is?

[boreal hornet]

I will not leave a review for now, seems like there are enough negative reviews already

[inner urchin]

[compact kindle]

most of the assets look like A2 Assets

[inner urchin]

except the infantry models ill give them that

[bold mulch]

because they are from A2

[inner urchin]

that is 100% oc

[bold mulch]

infantry models are... bad

massi-like

[compact kindle]

who cares the inf models still look worse than DHI

[inner urchin]

not all of them, i appreciate it for what they are

[compact kindle]

lol

[timid quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/852283174523502642/854773990454198292/received_182030783860034.webp does that say "Lidl" or "Lidi"?

[inner urchin]

the fucking rhs vz58s are better

[bold mulch]

LIDI

[leaden kite]

LIDI

[upper galleon]

Lidi

[inner urchin]

lidi

[compact kindle]

lidi I think

[timid quartz]

Hmmmmmm

[leaden kite]

just like Penny is Plenny

[timid quartz]

Very risky tbh

[inner urchin]

yeah loook at how the i is stlyized

[bold mulch]

it's different from original

[leaden kite]

eh, I think they're on the safe side

[inner urchin]

plenny lane there is a barber shop and…something something

[bold mulch]

I guess it's not risky if BI accepted it, right?

riiiight...?

[inner urchin]

i…that reminds me

[timid quartz]

BI accepted this cDLC bruv

[inner urchin]

the bi connection

why tf did they allow this?

[leaden kite]

they're fine, unless they try to do that with Disney

[inner urchin]

this??

[upper galleon]

I'd wager it's Lidi, because actually having LidL I'm pretty sure would require licensing the name which costs loads.

[leaden kite]

because disney has magical powers called money to sway judges

[bold mulch]

btw is that screenshot on ultra details?

[timid quartz]

I just found it, so no clue

[bold mulch]

oh

[visual leaf]

Are you still holding true to that "The assets are new to Arma 3" argument after this: https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/o14mrd/csla_and_cup_share_assets_11_paid_mod_confirmed/ ?

[bold mulch]

cause I looked on the truck

and well

[upper galleon]

x2

[bold mulch]

[timid quartz]

Lmao it looks like it is kinda on higher settings for sure

[upper galleon]

good looking coyota

[inner urchin]

for lidl if i were them it would be “all publicity is good publicity” except here..

[timid quartz]

Thats what I said, can a dev come out and say either "its all new" or "we used older content"?

[inner urchin]

ya know i wanna know how tf they managed to make the humvee look worse than arma 2’s

cuz if cup is a direct port then i prefer cup’s

and besides, no m2 me saddddd :((

[timid quartz]

Though we know its not all new lmao

[bold mulch]

a lot of infantry things are so downgraded you can see violet pixels on black surfaces

"pixels"

[inner urchin]

honesty is always appreciated, they’d still get ass blasted

[visual leaf]

They even took base models from APEX! Can you believe it!

[bold mulch]

like half of the object

[inner urchin]

but a heads up would’ve spared them for white a good load of criticism

[compact kindle]

wait what

[bold mulch]

what

which models?

[visual leaf]

Launchers

[inner urchin]

where?

the fagot?

[upper galleon]

im fine if they took a3 vanilla standards , just against if they just stick to "fully vanilla" and dont elaborate even further

[visual leaf]

Watch this video: https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/o14mrd/csla_and_cup_share_assets_11_paid_mod_confirmed/

[scenic cove]

looks at PF's lack of Vietnamese radio protocol

[leaden kite]

oh my days. We've been over this about a billion times now

[boreal hornet]

Right, RHS VZ58 is indeed better, better animation and texture overall

[inner urchin]

yeah

[upper galleon]

I think the RPG-7?

[timid quartz]

? Like?

[inner urchin]

but i’d get that yeah

[visual leaf]

Watch the video https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/o14mrd/csla_and_cup_share_assets_11_paid_mod_confirmed/

[inner urchin]

like shared weapons, its the same thing it’d look the same

[compact kindle]

holy shit

[timid quartz]

Uh really? There are Vietnamese voices in campaign, more than CSLA can say

[inner urchin]

sherman its reddit not the plague that link is not a virus

[keen sparrow]

Scripted into it IIRC

[inner urchin]

i swear…

totally

[upper galleon]

In a sane world yes, or you could also scream "copyright infringment reeee!! >:(", sue and bank lods of emone. Guess which one a corporation would likely choose.

[timid quartz]

More voiceover than CSLA has

[upper galleon]

I don't get the debate, they obviously used Arma 2 models. Mi-8, CZ-550, TOW, and a lot of others.

[timid quartz]

Ah yes I saw that this morning

[twilit iris]

I do see there could be a problem that the m16s say colt, I heard they are very strict on where their branding ends up

[inner urchin]

honestly it’d be pretty fucking stupid for a mod creator which plays the same game to tear each others heads off over 3d models cuz if we follow the food chain it’s just lead us back to a2 and bis

[leaden kite]

The Mi-17 interiors are much better than CUP/RHS, true. The steam gauges are legible, and the toggle switches have their own meshes and aren't a flat, stretched out jpg. There's also a fuel gauge on the copilot's side which is missing on the modded ones (the engine temp gauge is incorrectly copied over). However, the vertical speed indicator in the CSLA version is curiously labeled in English with imperial units (100s of feet). Most of the text is still a little blurry, especially compared to vanilla/GM/SOG where I can read everything in the cockpit.

That aside, we've been noting that SOG also reused assets.

[inner urchin]

right but ya see theres something called improvments they made a similar vid for sog

[compact kindle]

what did sog reuse?

[inner urchin]

and guess what?

it looked better!

[turbid sonnet]

At this point this "cdlc" is little more than a touched up paid mod. I really feel bad cause GM got raked over coals when it came out for this exact thing and turns out they put the bar somewhere in the stratosphere for quality....

[leaden kite]

buildings, mostly. From what has been said in the discussions so far, at least. Also some vehicles apparently (?) no clue though

[inner urchin]

no the quality bar thing lays with sog pf

[timid quartz]

All hail GM

[compact kindle]

oh yeah on the map they used a lot of apex stuff

[upper galleon]

GM real G cDLC

[leaden kite]

I really don't get all this "OMG A2 ASSETS REE" situation, provided it is in A3 standards (which it isn't and thus deserves flak)

[upper galleon]

GM is the most KINO dlc ever made for arma

[inner urchin]

that aside some models are still incredibly poor in quality

humvees, the ford truck thing

fuckin abrams looked dope but the textures are muddy as hell

[leaden kite]

I think they're on A3 quality? Unless I'm blind or smth

[upper galleon]

the ford truck thing being poor quality might be intended 🤭

[inner urchin]

its not all about the fact they ripped a2 its the fact that other mods for free do it better

and thats sad

[inner urchin]

hey! yeah…that might be true

[bold mulch]

do you remember the Squad "trailer" where a tank could fly by turning its turret really fast?

[upper galleon]

arma's noble competitors

[turbid sonnet]

Hell SOG may have reused some assets but they put a ton of effort in to even little details, they took said assets and either integrated them fully with new functionality or meshed them so well they'll you dont notice them.

[inner urchin]

“can your fucking paid mod tank do this?”
-flies into the stratosphere-

[dire plover]

it's not a bug it's a feature

[bold mulch]

https://streamable.com/orugn5

yeah, that's the same feature

[leaden kite]

and I'd agree with you on that front. But that doesn't change that people are complaining about the act of reusing assets rather than them just being poor quality

[inner urchin]

hey imagine if a csla dev had been here reading, either funing, crying or being understanding (no hate just presenting all scenarios)

it could be you

it could be me!

it could even be-

[bold mulch]

well SunCZu was writing something

but he stopped

and I'm worried a bit

[compact kindle]

laughing at everyone whos money they took

[inner urchin]

like honestly

the fact they released it like this

prob management

actually correction

[compact kindle]

just release sog again

[inner urchin]

100% management

[leaden kite]

most certainly not.

trust me, the last people to wanna upset people are them. But why they released it in this state is a mystery to me as well

[upper galleon]

make GM 2

[inner urchin]

i thought thats what csla was gonna be

[upper galleon]

just release GM again but with a czech voice pack

[compact kindle]

Universal mobilization

[raw oak]

Seeing this dlc i dont understand where they spend all that time of development

[inner urchin]

ya know i had a dream where all the cdlcs about the cold war would eventually lead us to the reforger thing

and boom

arma 4

but no its most likely not

[upper galleon]

S E V E N Y E A R S

[raw oak]

I knew that project for years and then i see just a2 port

[inner urchin]

was it 7???

[raw oak]

Of course there is something new

[inner urchin]

earliest screenshots were like in 2019

[raw oak]

New buildinga and some machines

[inner urchin]

even then thats still fucked up

[upper galleon]

i don't remember exactly, but the modb has stuff going back to like 2015/14

[inner urchin]

yeah but thats the mod, so does it count…?

[leaden kite]

Sigh.

[compact kindle]

honestly shout ot to GM for having the best map assets of any CDLC the houses are so good

[leaden kite]

#csla_iron_curtain message

[raw oak]

How bis even passed it?

[inner urchin]

feels amazing when i shoot an at4 into ti

can confirm

[raw oak]

Even sog did a lot of work having ports from a2

[turbid sonnet]

@leaden kite they are complaining about reusing assets and putting little or no work in it. A coat of gold paint on a pile of shit is still a pile of shit. People will tolerate meatoricy in free stuff because its free, thats why people don't lynch the unsung team even tho a ton of maps and assets are poor quality. However when you sell something there is an expectation of quality that the buyer expects.

[bold mulch]

they can't just open the cDLC and see what's inside

[inner urchin]

trueeeee

[bold mulch]

they ask the devs if cdlc is okay, they say yeah, release that bad boy and whoosh

[jolly lantern]

they can

[bold mulch]

oh

[inner urchin]

honestly if csla was a mod it’d be an instant fav

but the fucking money man

the god

damn

[timid quartz]

Preach the free vs paid thing

[inner urchin]

money

[bold mulch]

I thought you said you just rely on what testers say

[leaden kite]

we've been over this like.. 5 times at this point.

[jolly lantern]

It feels like they did that for CSLA yes.
I don't know what actually happened, I'm not involved there. But I have my guesses and opinions based on the stuff I know.

CSLA publicly said in their discord months ago that they are ready for release and are only waiting on BI to let them through.

[inner urchin]

welcome to discussion dsicords!

[raw oak]

Even on screenshots there were a lot of a2 assets

[bold mulch]

yes I know that

[raw oak]

Honestly i was surprised to see this as dlc

[timid quartz]

People didnt believe me when I tried pointing it out

[bold mulch]

that's why I mentioned the square wheels

[dire plover]

I thought the CDLC got more time in development because of the sheer number of A2 assets ?

[raw oak]

Uh yes, also interiors for some vehicle

[timid quartz]

Im annoyed at how "secret" they kept this cdlc, no price announced until release, dropped super fast, after re-announcement last week, not a lot of extra screenshots or anything

[inner urchin]

like honestly the fact that there was no marketing kinda made people oblivious to the problem

they just see “oh new dlc” and just buy

[leaden kite]

anyways, it should be about time now

[inner urchin]

thats what i did

and i regret everything

[bold mulch]

they had a lot actually

[upper galleon]

i honestly don't have an issue with them using A2 assets. RHS does it and it looks fine. The problem is that a good 1/3 of the mod is from A2 and the remainder looks like it's from A2.

[timid quartz]

Does RHS cost 12.99?

[raw oak]

Not marketing, but other cdlc

[leaden kite]

this.

[raw oak]

Gm top quality assets

[upper galleon]

Why does a beret offer more ballistic protection than a Special Purpose helmet?

[inner urchin]

czechnology

[leaden kite]

#csla_iron_curtain message

[raw oak]

Sog a bit worse, but gameplay features

Csla???

[leaden kite]

if RHS were released today, it'd be a cDLC.

[upper galleon]

cool bonus

[leaden kite]

not a free mod

[jolly lantern]

Knowing the reviews of the testers I knew it probably wasn't actually ready to release like the devs said.
But if they say they are ready without asking the testers again (who gave lots of critical feedback) to make sure its actually good, then thats what it is.

[upper galleon]

can we just get arma 4 with proper urban enviroments. Like how dayz has

[timid quartz]

Agreed

[turbid sonnet]

And It will be brought up again and again because this is something that shouldn't be tolerated at all. The CSLA team should come out with a statement explaining exactly why this dlc is so poor quality and what exactly will be done to improve it.

[raw oak]

Why they decided sell their mod

[leaden kite]

and they will. But not until what I assume to be 12 hours later

[upper galleon]

Like look at the beret stats here:
https://cdn.astolfo.nl/BPMlEU.png
And now at the special purpose helmet
https://cdn.astolfo.nl/lcSwLr.png

[leaden kite]

has been pointed out already, yeah

[upper galleon]

lmao its a paid mod, you think they will say anything of value?

[timid quartz]

[inner urchin]

scrolling up to an earlier message someone said that creator dlcs would be the borm from the get go and big projects like cup and rhs would be paid and…

[dire plover]

probably pushed into it to stick to schedule

[inner urchin]

that might be true

and that scares me

[upper galleon]

Also the FAL takes up almost no space inside of a backpack

[bold mulch]

CSLA testers are people that are not BI workers, am I right?

[timid quartz]

Nobody going to mention the fact CSLA and BI are both Czech teams? 🤔

[inner urchin]

i’d expect them to atleast play arma

[leaden kite]

if they don't respond to it, it'll just lead to mass-refunds. But like I said. The worst thing you can do is respond to these things immediately without having a full picture

[timid quartz]

Yep you are mostly right

[inner urchin]

like ffs even the picture in the arsenal is not chroma keyed properly!

[bold mulch]

noooooooo you can't assume they did that just because it's about Czech Republic

[raw oak]

And mention one famous stereotype of them👀

[inner urchin]

that reminds me of the russian bias thing in wt

heh

[timid quartz]

Idk any stereotypes, didn't mean that

[upper galleon]

the whole paid mod things has been a disaster, only good one has been SOG since thats a literal expansion (although the map is a bit eh)

[turbid sonnet]

If it takes 12 hrs to say we fucked up the they deserve the ass kicking they get ESPECIALLY since testers were basically shooting warning flares up for quite a while.

[upper galleon]

What's almost worse than the muddy textures and reused models, is just how jank most the weapons are

[inner urchin]

throwing people out windows, easy

[jolly lantern]

community closed beta teest yeah

[timid quartz]

Wow dont talk poo about GM

[inner urchin]

honestlyyyyyy it should be this, free mods sponsored or atleast promoted by bis

[upper galleon]

I have GM and well its shit, the map is garbage, the vehicles are meh, the weapons are meh

[inner urchin]

like what swuad did

or that finnish war mod for i think mowas?

[bold mulch]

okay, so as being a patron and supporter, why didn't BI choose anybody from its team to verify even a part of the cDLC?

[timid quartz]

You are objectively wrong

[dry patio]

what do you mean dont disrespect GM like that, still the best one in my opinion

[keen sparrow]

What Sherman says.

[raw oak]

Gm vehicle are meh???

[turbid sonnet]

Gm had a bit of a rough start but their quality still superior to every dlc yet.

[upper galleon]

If I am, why does no servers host it

I will not tolerate any GM disrespect on this Christian thread

[bold mulch]

because you didn't have to in previous cases?

[upper galleon]

Is it just me or was the QC for this compared to SOG way worse? Idk there are so many strange things

[timid quartz]

Arma is big on closed communities

[inner urchin]

no sog pf is still #1bin my opinion

[upper galleon]

how dare u talk bad about my babe GM

[raw oak]

Gm top quality even to a3 vanilla

[leaden kite]

Not really. Plans need to be made. Where the issues lie, what the immediate planes are, what the long term plans are, a PR person needs to then also write it up, it needs to go through reviewing stage, adjusted, go through it again, and at some point, they can release it as a public statement.

[upper galleon]

Sure, but every community I am in has never wanted to ran GM, its a waste of money imo

[bold mulch]

it's a paid content, they won't react instantly.

[upper galleon]

I have only played coop antistasi on it since literally no one wants to do an op on it

[jolly lantern]

Can't answer you that.
And afaik QA did check things

[timid quartz]

Shame that they feel that way, GM is great and has many fans

[leaden kite]

beisdes, if anywhere, they'll talk about it in their dev discord, not here

(at least not immediately)

[upper galleon]

its not terrible, it shoudnt have been a paid thing

[raw oak]

I have some projects running gm sometimes, but usally there is no gameplay features like sog, (and arma is ded)

[inner urchin]

true, yes its great but we all circle back to mods, its already installed just need a few addons of less than agb and we’re done

unless you’re into vehicles then just mod it (not even hating on thr devs)

[upper galleon]

if it wasn't paid it wouldn't have existed in the first place, all its devs are former VBS

[inner urchin]

well i mean

[upper galleon]

well then it shoudnt exist lol idk

[inner urchin]

you saw how vbs looks…

[dry patio]

GM gets used in every mission of my Community, you just need a community for it not everyone wants to play West Germany , East Germany, sadly. Only Murica....

[timid quartz]

Did anyone do any YT reviews for CSLA yet?

[inner urchin]

its not its purpose to look good but

yeah

[nimble dove]

being high quality doesn't guarantee that everyone wants to buy it

[leaden kite]

The issue is that it's not an integrated DLC. That's all it is. but it being that would come with its own issues.

[inner urchin]

dude, do it, be the first

[keen sparrow]

GM has yet to be topped in quality I'd say. But wrong channel for that.

[bold mulch]

I'm waiting for Drewski

[upper galleon]

free views, be salty pls ty

[timid quartz]

I feel like BI already hates me for voicing my opinion here so blatantly today

[proud oxide]

@inner urchin show me on the Arma where CSLA touched you? Because it's been a long afternoon of seeing you hate on them

[raw oak]

7 years they waited for cdlc projects of bohemians

[inner urchin]

do not let them silence youuu

[upper galleon]

oh yeah your definitley no longer allowed to join betas

[leaden kite]

Don't think so tbh.

[upper galleon]

thats why ur my fav ytuber

[inner urchin]

no i just dont wanna go to sleep

[raw oak]

Yet still this is just a2 reuse

[timid quartz]

I assume this is true

[nimble dove]

why, it got made, it got sold, it brought money to those who made it 🤷‍♂️

[upper galleon]

if there was like a chechnya expansion shit I would buy that

idk want something like that, not cold war

[upper galleon]

with russian war songs

[nimble dove]

it's same cold war, same russian vehicles and weapons, maybe map would be interesting for Chechnya though

[turbid sonnet]

If thats the case the community should string BI up for it.

[compact kindle]

WW1 cldc when?

[raw oak]

Also gm dev from vbs team too, but their assets are new and top

[inner urchin]

and heres the thing, this ones a bit personal, i’ve been obsessed with the cold war, wargame rd, wic, this and that.
and im also really getting into arma, 800-1000 hours in 3 months, when i saw csla i lost my shit

then it came out, and i…am pissed @proud oxide

[bold mulch]

imagine Remembrance Day being a cDLC in its actual state

[upper galleon]

true but they were using stuff from the mid to late 80s, so stuff that was not even used in afghan war

[bold mulch]

it would be slightly worse than CSLA uniform models are

[compact kindle]

lol

[leaden kite]

Firstly, CSLA != BI.
Secondly, you didn't really say anything that as entirely against the general consensus of the community.
Thirdly, if they were to blacklist you because of criticism, it'd make them look bad.
Lastly, it's not as if you were particularly disrespectful.

[upper galleon]

still more content than CSLA

[timid quartz]

Nobody should care about it, I dont tbh, BI accepted this cDLC in it's state, they messed up imo

[inner urchin]

true

[upper galleon]

this is what happens when you start allowing paid mods

[compact kindle]

i find you can kinda do ww1 stuff with high quality by using WW2 mods

[inner urchin]

they should’ve stepped in

and they didnt

part of the blame is also on them

[timid quartz]

Nah GM and SOG are great

[hollow jasper]

i feel like there are some issues that i found weird that weren't questioned or even fixed during testing

[bold mulch]

yeah but it's same as using WH40K Death Korps to do that

[upper galleon]

well you already know how I feel about GM, but I wonder how much oversight bohemia had with SOG, since they probs knew how big of a seller it would be

[compact kindle]

ehhh it looks pretty good usually

[upper galleon]

all we can hope from CSLA is that they plan to provide updates with more assets that are "worth" actually using

[timid quartz]

SOG was handled amazingly by all parties afaik

[keen sparrow]

Some of BI helped IIRC, not sure though, ask Dedmen or Lou. (Might also be that Dedem did the TFAR comp)

[frigid gorge]

This was posted ages ago, and I saw it before what I said too. Why are you looking for my approval?

[inner urchin]

when?

by ages ago like wym?

[upper galleon]

I want to say my hot take on sog but I don't want to be stoned to death lol

Not really anything wrong with CSLA

[raw oak]

Why ppl forgot about simple rule for cdlc

[frigid gorge]

7 hours ago, as written on the top of the post

[inner urchin]

do itttt i have a stone throwing addiction

[upper galleon]

Arsenal is kinda bare, is all

[frigid gorge]

and here 7 hours ago too

[hollow jasper]

SOG had a large production team behind it, content was made by artists from all over and was made from scratch. It's insane how much content of it was not recycled at all.

[bold mulch]

this channel is full of hot takes now, one another won't make a difference

[turbid sonnet]

Its not even about the dlc it about the fact that they would rather throw out people who would give honest criticism to improve something and replace with a focus group of yes men. That's how you get garbage like BF5 or EA battle front. For something like EA sure they have the size to take the hit but let's be honest in the scale of the game industry BI is a hotdog cart selling at a street corner...

[raw oak]

No paid content in cdlc shouldnt exist as free content before

[inner urchin]

damn, the word ages ago us a damn slippery slope

[keen sparrow]

Use the #sog_prairie_fire channel for that.

[frigid gorge]

Except you get stoned if it's about SOG

[upper galleon]

yeah I wont say it here, but anyways I wish the map was free for csla

the map looks alright

[fickle narwhal]

When did they throw out people who gave them honest opinions?

[jolly lantern]

I originally wanted to make the TFAR comp when I joined the SOG team in 2019 (before I got my job at BI).

SOGPF had ALOT of communication with the devs, asking for advice, requesting new features, requesting bugfixes and they kept me involved.
CSLA I basically never talked to, they also never approached me with anything except maybe the last months/weeks before release.
For GM I obviously wasn't present

[inner urchin]

honestly? fuck it i’ll break the ice
i think when unsung exist and many people already have it installed, loadouts set and memories created, it is irrelevant in mp

that goes for all cdlc

[upper galleon]

map is imo better than GM's

[inner urchin]

yeah gabreta is pretty good

[bold mulch]

it's less rural

[raw oak]

Gm map is too big

[upper galleon]

and better than most free ones as well, including ones in CUP Maps

[bold mulch]

that's why it's better

[inner urchin]

thats the one good thing about csla

[frigid gorge]

If it had more interiored building on the bigger ones, I'd say it was better than GM definitely

[keen sparrow]

Yeah, don't know about the communication at all with GM and the BI Devs, but I can see the results of communication and no communication which was in S.O.G really good compared to, well CSLA. It's good that they did that and very lucky that you joined BI which may or may not helped a bit more IDK.

[dry patio]

lets be honest you dont like gm because it doesnt have murica in it and because of that its not so often used on public servers. If you really think it has bad quality then i dont know what to say. For German communites it was a blessing.

[upper galleon]

the T-72M1's pretty nice too, but yeah not much else

[turbid sonnet]

Not saying they are, was saying if they did then BI deserves to raked for it.

[inner urchin]

honestly the t-72s might be ported

i think it was…maybe

[upper galleon]

yeah the map looks good, everything else there is mods I can use to replace

[inner urchin]

and if so again, less than 100 mb mod fixes that

[leaden kite]

can I approach you uwu
ok, I'll see myself out.

[timid quartz]

The CSLA tanks pale in comparison with GM ones

[inner urchin]

trueeeeeee

[upper galleon]

GM map had issues with AI navigation for example.. bots getting stuck on odd spots or being unable to cross from one side of the border to other or cross even plain bridges

[upper galleon]

true

made playing wefer pain

[raw oak]

Usual reason of no use of gm is in making ppl buy it

[bold mulch]

I'd blame Arma engine for that, map is great

[raw oak]

Not much wants to buy dlc at end of arma

[inner urchin]

see thats what i’ve been saying for the last like hour

[bold mulch]

I wish Arma could handle such terrains so PMC Terrains could release their works and it would be a blessing for all of us

[inner urchin]

cdlcs as a concept is irrelevant in the face of mods!

[jolly lantern]

Well GM devs are professionals with the RV engine. They work on VBS which in the not so distant past still shared lots of the workflows.
So I'd say they didn't really need much help with their doings, except with requesting new features.

SOGPF had so many new features and stuff they did.
CSLA, does CSLA have any new gameplay features?

[keen sparrow]

Bridges is wrong IIRC, they can cross them without a problem. Border corssing can be done IIRC, with some tricks. Never had problems that the AI got stuck in odd spots, if it still happens, just report it.

[raw oak]

Gm map is boring, honestly, but assets are cool

[inner urchin]

have you tried cham?

i’ve had issues with fps but looks cool

[dry patio]

i think GM would have loved some more talks about new features, but yeah u were not present at that time sadly

[raw oak]

Lol

[keen sparrow]

That very true I'd say, you can see that with some modules. CSLA doesn't any new featuers I think? Maybe some scripts for their vehicles IIRC.

[bold mulch]

okay so if I understand correctly, all previous cdlcs have been made by teams that have experience in working with BI/BIS tools?

[leaden kite]

Attaching grenades to a stick.. I think. That's.. it?

[upper galleon]

exactly

[bold mulch]

I mean a vast experience

[upper galleon]

Eh, there are some things that mods just can't really do. I don't think there's any mod with a equally quality tank as the T-55AM2B from GM.

[fickle narwhal]

I can't count the number of times my tanks drove into the rivers in the campaign if I didn't micromanage them to cross. That being said, that's just the trade off with water models vs actual water in the engine

[inner urchin]

ya know, imma head out soon but i just wanna end with this

[jolly lantern]

Ah yeah, thats pretty cool.
But also I dislike a constant nag in my action menu, though I assume it only appears when you have their grenades so not so bad

[inner urchin]

we are here cuz we are passionate, we want the game to be better

we are here cuz we care

in our hate lies tough love

[keen sparrow]

Could be that I am lucky. IDK, I used formations to pull bridges of.

[twilit iris]

The T-55 in GM as a whole, the arma 2 ported T-55 other mods use is so ugly it’s unusable

[timid quartz]

GM took on the pioneering role, first CDLC and they blew it out of the water (Campaign was my least favourite) - asset quality etc great, and they have given 3(?) Free updates since, shame its not refelected in their steam ratings

[inner urchin]

and devs, if you are planning to fix this mess, best of luck we will be watching

[raw oak]

There is none

[inner urchin]

aight imma go to sleep

[bold mulch]

if it;s the case then maybe the Creator program is just created wrongly? devs get not enough support from the "supervisors" while the guys that are specialized in BI(S) tools can handle everything on their own

[inner urchin]

see yall

[leaden kite]

I'm unsure what the point of it is, but maybe I'm just too smoothbrain for that

[upper galleon]

I mean I just came here to watch people talk shit its pretty funny lol

[raw oak]

Gm is absolutely unique dlc

[turbid sonnet]

The beatings will continue until quality improves....

[raw oak]

Ye

Thats why gm map sux, it is just fields and forests

[frigid gorge]

And lots of cities

[twilit iris]

And a border

[keen sparrow]

Well thats Germany for you, I like that.

[bold mulch]

it's realistic and good for armoured operations

[upper galleon]

exactly gm is so flat it is almost as flat as the earth we live on

[frigid gorge]

Small cities, but def not villages

[inner urchin]

fps be like: in already dying hard enough! motherfucker!

[raw oak]

Thats not cities, thats a joke

[inner urchin]

the flat earth society has members all around the globe

[twilit iris]

Flatness in a map is perfect for tank warfare, tanks don’t fight in mountains but big open fields

GM’s map compliments the good tanks

[leaden kite]

Sweden would like to know your location.

[twilit iris]

Sweden has those cool weird mountain tanks

[bold mulch]

this is basically for what GM was made

[upper galleon]

this is why we need actual urban enviroments so we can have tanks go into cities and then get allahu akabared by jihadists

[bold mulch]

tank warfare

[inner urchin]

see but its that that makes it fun, this is why urban maps in wt are sooo fuckin fun

[turbid sonnet]

The gm guys also took the brunt of the paid dlc beating too.

[twilit iris]

Jihadists in 80s Germany?

[upper galleon]

hey its possible

[inner urchin]

fallujah 1.2 👀

[turbid sonnet]

With out frame rape....

[raw oak]

Better new falluja, like in squad

[upper galleon]

the next expansion should be a iraq war expansion

[bold mulch]

and copypasted buildings

[frigid gorge]

Fallujah 1.2 🤢
Fallujah 1.22 😄

[raw oak]

Best falluja

[inner urchin]

the 1.3 one is broken

the 1.2 one is too old

[keen sparrow]

But this is slowly going off topic again, maybe #creator_dlc_discussion or #global_mobilization for gm

[light stag]

hey real quick, what's the filesize for CSLA?

[bold mulch]

but I guess it's not a channel for such things

[inner urchin]

this version has accessible buildings

[keen sparrow]

7,5 gigs IIRC

[bold mulch]

7.3?

[frigid gorge]

7.5

[bold mulch]

7.5 after downloading

[light stag]

thanks lads

[inner urchin]

6.9

anilatac atnas

[jolly lantern]

Guys. CSLA.

[inner urchin]

last thoughts on csla?

where do you think we’re headed?

[upper galleon]

I mean csla will get better but I wont bite

[bold mulch]

yeah anyway

[jolly lantern]

Not your business. Get back on topic please

[inner urchin]

we were on topic

[jolly lantern]

welcome to my e3, I am announcing the fortnite porn creator dlc

Not on topic.
Again. Get back on topic.

[inner urchin]

he said that ages ago?

bruh wtf, i dont get this place XD, anyways anyone else’s thoughts?

[bold mulch]

so - can you confirm if devs of all previous cDLC have at least a mediocre experience with any tools that BI/BIS is using or have been using?

[scenic cove]

That was the stated reason for no campaign, though from what I understand that got scrapped before the closed beta

[bold mulch]

like RV

[jolly lantern]

Most of the CDLC devs were already modding for Arma and knew around the tools

[inner urchin]

people play arma campaigns?

[scenic cove]

The actual implementation thereof though...

[keen sparrow]

Okay, then I don't know the reason for not featuring Czech voices

[inner urchin]

yeah

fuckin rhs had it

of all the things they (might’ve) pirted from a2

seriously

[twilit iris]

There weren’t enough voice lines from arma 2, and recording all new ones would be a shit ton of work

[bold mulch]

because to me it seems like the CSLA team didn't receive enough care from BI as a supporter while other devs could handle the development on their own as they had a vast experience with all tools, maybe some background in BI or other companies

[lucid pendant]

Can Confirm people play Arma campaign

[native terrace]

how hard is to pass the eligibility check for cDLC development?

[lucid pendant]

the amount of people i see Instantly know Miller's face and kill him

is something else

[bold mulch]

I mean they didn't start from the same place thus having way more troubles with developing their DLC

[inner urchin]

ya see with vbs like yeah they get the engine

[upper galleon]

Those are gasp ported from Arma 2 which apparently isn't allowed to do according to some

[inner urchin]

but do they get arms?

[inner urchin]

aside from that its would’ve been atleast excusable

[fickle narwhal]

At least part of the CSLA team has been around for 20 years. Pretty sure some had done some work on VBS in the early days and also may have helped out with the A2 ACR DLC

[inner urchin]

like yeah, va work is expensive and its covid season, but the models?

like come on, yes it s a slippery slope

[jolly lantern]

I don't know if they asked for support.

I mean they didn't start from the same place thus having way more troubles with developing their DLC
Why not? they were also modders with previous modding experience afaik

[upper galleon]

I mean, I'll just load up RHS alongside it, like I would've anyway. Problem solved

[inner urchin]

thats…not how it works cuz you gotta change it in the editor? but tbf im just nitpicking when it comes to voices

[frigid gorge]

this

[inner urchin]

atleast they didnt just use the russian one

that would’ve been funny

[frigid gorge]

most of the smaller issues r sovled like that

[lunar marsh]

Bruh stop throwing gas on the fire. The steam reviews already say enough they fucked

[inner urchin]

we were here before the steam reviews and will be here after

[bold mulch]

the outcome they have presented today makes me think that the difference in experience of both is huge

[inner urchin]

now silence commoner…!

[lunar marsh]

true

HAHA

I mean dude it's a blatant rip

[inner urchin]

tru

[lunar marsh]

I said this days in advance

[inner urchin]

i said i was gon a go to sleep 50 mins ago, fuck

helppp

[lunar marsh]

I can launch CUP and I would have the same result

Guess what

Same result

[inner urchin]

yeah

[lunar marsh]

[inner urchin]

also 3 words that will shock you about cold war arma

cold war rearmed** 3

thats it, look it up

anyways good night yall!

shit is rearm XD sorry dude

oh shit! sorry

[jolly lantern]

Its not. And I'm pretty sure you know that.
Starting from the same source material (now like.. 15 years old?) and evolving from that is not a rip.
Especially also because rip==stolen, which this is not at all.

[inner urchin]

uh uh something something csla

[jolly lantern]

GM are professionals working with similar stuff every day.
SOGPF are a HUGE team and had constant QA and checking, it was not a hobby project.

[lunar marsh]

Sorry for putting a hot take then

[inner urchin]

and csla was…?

[leaden kite]

I'd love it if we could not go through the same points over and over again which we have for the past... 5 hours? Though I guess it's my own fault for sticking around the entire time

[inner urchin]

groups of czech devs in a radiated basement?

[inner urchin]

RUN RUN RUN RUN
👁️ 👁️

GO NOWWW BEFORE YOU GET SUCKED IN AGAIN

[bold mulch]

then shouldn't Bohemia Interactive be an element that can balance that difference between how CSLA team performs?

[lunar marsh]

^

[leaden kite]

No.

[bold mulch]

I know that you are just a support for an external team however it's still a paid content that has to reach a certain amount of base

and CSLA is definitely not based in its actual state

[inner urchin]

honestly, fuck it, the free market will decide

wether csla lives…

or dies…

its all down to capitalism now

[west schooner]

i dont understand how we got all these screenshots during development, and everyone was all "this is great those look good i cant wait to use those!!" now it releases and everyone is just complaining and calling the same things we saw in the screenshots, rips, ports and bad... doesnt make sense to me.

[inner urchin]

we cant do anything

[leaden kite]

An external team is an external team is an external team. If they have questions and want support, they can ask for it, but BI's entire shtick is for content creators to release creator DLCs

[lunar marsh]

Which is true

[fading snow]

7. When posting a link, please include a description/context to what is content,
place it within the appropriate channel else it might be deleted.

[inner urchin]

hype, beautiful isnt it?

[hollow jasper]

no its more like they show only specific stuff

[fading snow]

thx 😄

[lunar marsh]

There you go happy now

No offense but you guys can stop the damage control. It's already done.

[fickle narwhal]

Don't think I've seen anything in CSLA that wasn't in pics

[fading snow]

I'm doing this for you so your message doesn't get deleted ^^

[jolly lantern]

What would they do about it?

[lunar marsh]

❤️

[jolly lantern]

They don't. And I told you that and

[lunar marsh]

Yes they do go ahead and check the video.

[inner urchin]

wha-

omfg…

[jolly lantern]

CUP put out a public statement on their twitter that they don't, and I know that they don't

[fickle narwhal]

They don't. They used things from the same source

[lunar marsh]

Which is Arma2

[bold mulch]

I have no idea, content of cDLC FAQ is really superficial making the whole action a bit hard to be understood

[leaden kite]

https://twitter.com/Arma3CUP/status/1405264331420409861 relevant. (CUP statement)

[bold mulch]

it says that you are a support of the external team so I thought you can say what can stay in the DLC and what not

[raw oak]

But why trolling

Yes, csla is not from cup

But they both using a2 assets

[bold mulch]

especially as being a publisher

[raw oak]

Wtf happen with chat

[inner urchin]

ya know…in the end it all boils down to it being paid

[lunar marsh]

Which means that they have similar to almost the same assets and now you guys are pulling damage control trying to limit the community pulling out the obvious that it's a paid mod.

[jolly lantern]

"relevant" is not a real "description" for a link. But we know the context i guess

[bold mulch]

sadly people don't get it

[lunar marsh]

I was giving context that's why the capslock was a edited message a bit of a shame to warn for that but k

[leaden kite]

figured the link text + context was enough but fair

[lunar marsh]

https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/o14mrd/csla_and_cup_share_assets_11_paid_mod_confirmed/

Context, both CUP and CLSA use Arma 2 assets while CUP being free CLSA is not which almost deems it a paid mod in some way.

[inner urchin]

ya know, dude i feel like you’re taking it a lil too hard on us rn, its not a time for obedience when people are pissed and shit it’ll only stir discontent? the only thing i learned from my social studies class

but thats about it

my 2 cents

just an opinion

[jolly lantern]

More as a warning towards your repeated false statements and inflammatory posts

I mean dude it's a blatant rip
CLSA and CUP SHARE ASSETS
PAID MOD

[lunar marsh]

It's not a false statement

if they both use Arma 2 assets

they share assets

either way

[inner urchin]

in the end the devs just need to make a statement and explain shit

[jolly lantern]

Its neither a RIP nor do they share the same assets.
They share a common ancestor yes. But they are not the same, and they don't share things between eachother

[leaden kite]

there's a difference between voicing concerns and being upset and spreading false information and being a dick towards people. Not saying you're doing that, just a general statement

[fickle narwhal]

The origins of the assets are the same. They are not shared assets tbough

[lunar marsh]

And it's not inflammatory it's an opinion 😄

[raw oak]

Prob first statement means csla uses assets stright from cup

[fading snow]

You mean the CSLA devs yes?

[raw oak]

Thats wrong

[inner urchin]

in my opinion, cookie its unfair to assume, deadmen you cant say they didnt rip with a “trust me bro” reason even if you are bis we need to wait

[keen sparrow]

They do not compleaty use A2 assets tho, they a) modified them which you can see if you are ingame and not only in the editor and b) they have new not seen assets for the czechs, but yes they do not look good (my opinion)

[inner urchin]

and yes

[fading snow]

good 😄

[lunar marsh]

so a retexture is enough to deem it a different asset?

Add a little mirror on the side and deem it a different asset?

[jolly lantern]

I can say they didn't rip if I know that as a fact both from internal knowledge and from the people who people say they ripped from

[inner urchin]

right thats your version cookie has his, and shit

[leaden kite]

There is no "version"

[inner urchin]

god i fucking hate being neutral

[leaden kite]

Good god, this isn't fucking illuminati, man

[raw oak]

Nobody said rip as a2 content is in free legacy

[inner urchin]

bruh i need land forts and c4 on my border

jeeeezzzz

[fickle narwhal]

Someone definitely said rip

[inner urchin]

in the enddddddd

[lunar marsh]

Okay I meant RIP as it being the same asset from the same game

[inner urchin]

the csla devs are the ones we should listen to

they made it

its their mess

they havent said anything yet

[raw oak]

It doesn't even matter

[inner urchin]

the only thing they said post launch was they liked a twitter reply praising the dlc, and thats it!

[scenic cove]

By that measure wouldn't literally anyone using the A2 sources for their mod count as 'ripping'?

[lunar marsh]

No offense but we all know here that you can get the same exact (Orgin of the) assets and stuff out of CLSA with just using mods (CUP) that are free and have the same amount of details.

From the community perspective this can be seen a paid mod.

[inner urchin]

they gone dark, and now we wait

[lunar marsh]

Legal ripping yeah

Idk

[inner urchin]

yeah that too

[lunar marsh]

In the end damage control is to the roof atm

But not by the CLSA team themselves

which makes me wonder

hm

[scenic cove]

Mind you I'm talking about modders, not paid DLC here

[keen sparrow]

Detail is better on CSLA vehicels which is a fact when viewing ingame and not only in the editor, furthermore they do have unique assets that the czech uses. But yes, there isn't a major improvements.

[raw oak]

Ripping means cutting content from source, like halo assets or etc

[inner urchin]

ya know as a mod on my own server myself i respect you ded

thanks for being here

[raw oak]

A2 legacy is in free access seperate from game

[inner urchin]

through this…insanity

[lunar marsh]

Correct which also explains the lower DLC cost. But from the community's point of view with little to no advertising.

[inner urchin]

i think the reason why im pissed the most about this dlc is yeah, this could be covered by mods free of charge

[lunar marsh]

But hey remember it's not all from Arma 2 some of it is from OFP!

[inner urchin]

so like wtf?

[raw oak]

Id like share one fun pic

[inner urchin]

?

[lunar marsh]

SOG prairie fire could not be covered by mods as it had a unique campaign quality.

[raw oak]

But i couldnt

[inner urchin]

say again?

[jolly lantern]

ripping is theft, this is not that

[fickle narwhal]

So could every other DLC released for this game

[inner urchin]

true

[fickle narwhal]

Yes it could

[inner urchin]

i think mods are at this point wayyyy too good and wayyy to cemented into the community for cdlcs

in my opinion

cdlcs are prob at this point for singleplayer

[fickle narwhal]

Just like some of the stuff on Livonia or on Chernarus+ in DayZ

[lunar marsh]

Sog prairie fire had a unique campaign with a lot of vehicles that aren't currently out. High quality helicopter assets.

[timid quartz]

[lunar marsh]

Doubt indeed

[fading snow]

Are you referring to that they could have instead just released it as a mod or that all the exact same content is already available in mods for free?

[raw oak]

Here it is, but its doesnt work

[fickle narwhal]

Most of them were in Unsung

[inner urchin]

its like the old adage

aint broke

dont fix it

[fickle narwhal]

Name one

[raw oak]

Not really

[timid quartz]

Half of GM DLC

[raw oak]

But weapons are stright from unsung

[keen sparrow]

Same goes to CSLA, those CZECH vics don't exist at all as far as I know and it offers atleast 10 SP campaigns, which is more than SOG PF

[lunar marsh]

The atmosphere the SOG Prairie Fire team pulled off was proper. The map is gorgeous and is unique. Helicopter assets are high quality, M48 walker bulldog.

[obtuse storm]

Whomp

[lunar marsh]

10 SP missions lol

Not campaigns

[fickle narwhal]

What could a modder have not made? It was going to be a mod originally

[lunar marsh]

Missions

[keen sparrow]

Well, still SP. Which is at least more than S.O.G in anyway

[fickle narwhal]

All of which is moddable

[timid quartz]

Whats ur argument

[inner urchin]

skin mods exist

[timid quartz]

Why did I buy Arma 3? Arma 2 was good enough

[keen sparrow]

Wait, what do you mean?

[inner urchin]

like the vehicles in csla, could (well some could) be covered in mods

[fickle narwhal]

I don't know. Probably for new features put directly into the engine

If you bought it at all

[keen sparrow]

But they aren't currently really (well from the Czech site the most aren't coverd and the Chevy from the US site IIRC)

[raw oak]

A3>a2

[bold mulch]

based

[inner urchin]

cup has an entire faction dedicated to the czechs, now tbf its not the same quality its cup

but its there

[fickle narwhal]

Agreed. Didn't used to believe that but I eventually came around

[scenic cove]

@upper galleon @grave rock Thought you might want to know that a CSLA dev was able to confirm the CTD for the SOG+CSLA combination

[inner urchin]

whats a ctd sorry?

[keen sparrow]

They are modern I think and do not use the same Equipment and Vics at all.

[lunar marsh]

Ok IDC if it's moddable or not, your argument is invalid.

SOG Prairie Fire had a hard time implementing some of the features as it would use hacky tricks to achieve it something BI wouldn't approve.
A CDLC should be a market standard be something you can RELY on and isn't a mod. It should be the balance between quality and quantity and is upheld by BI quality standard.

In this case I honestly think it's not a great example to have a lot of Arma 2 assets in your CDLC and sell it. Ok the CZECH vehicles are nice, and some of the custom content is nice but it's not up to a great standard if you use assets that are from a previous game that is free in a MOD.

[inner urchin]

ill have to check tomorrow but yes, i do agree but with custom comps and a lil elbow grease you can do anything

[keen sparrow]

Yup, takes time though.

[fickle narwhal]

Moddable

[grave rock]

@scenic cove Thanks for the heads up.

[inner urchin]

i made an entire 80s soviet faction with tanks, statics and infantry squads with variants (vdv, spets and rear echelon) in a night with rhs and cup it is not that hard, hust need to find the mods

[lunar marsh]

Bro you seriously gonna be silly and just correct me on the spelling mistakes is that your only defense because that shows that you aren't capable of holding a proper discussion lol

Immature

[scenic cove]

Separate factions, aye, what with the dissolution into separate Czech Republic and Slovakia... and as far as I know CSLA (even before this DLC) was always about depicting the predecessor military, not the forces represented by ACR and CUP

[fickle narwhal]

I didn't correct you on a spelling mistake. I was saying it's moddable while trying not to go off topic again

[scenic cove]

Isn't that because with enough reskinning you view them as 'close enough'?

[lunar marsh]

Did you read the full comment even? SMH

[inner urchin]

no i recreated them wuite accurately i have oics if you want

[timid quartz]

Why have any DLC if everything is moddable

[keen sparrow]

Yes.

[inner urchin]

im lowkey flexing doh

and…im not proud that i sound like adick

[scenic cove]

Good, pride cometh before a fall

[fickle narwhal]

To make money

[inner urchin]

you still want the pics doh?

[scenic cove]

No

[inner urchin]

ait

[lunar marsh]

SOG Prairie Fire was told to uphold a certain standard which they did. CLSA in this point didn't really upheld a wide spread standard.

[inner urchin]

holy shit yes!

this!!!

[bold mulch]

is there a "standard" of cDLC program itself?

[timid quartz]

GM and SOG set a real high bar for cDLCs

[sudden roost]

Why buy Arma when you can just use a Roblox game?

[bold mulch]

or is it made by every new cDLC released?

[inner urchin]

its like atari games before 82, anyone can make them

[scenic cove]

This is the case as far as I know beyond what Dedmen said

[jolly lantern]

Some things are not doable for free (okey yes doable, but noone would do it)
You ain't gonna get 40+ devs to work together full time for over a year, for a free mod. Sure its possible, but ain't gonna happen

I think GM team also said the ability to make a CDLC pushed them to work harder and do more than what they would've done for a mod.

[fickle narwhal]

Because you enjoy it more?

[scenic cove]

The only hard rule I remember was 'no MP mode-only CDLCs'

[rocky yew]

They have to pass through thorough quality control and you can’t do certain things that are too wild in them.

[scenic cove]

I ask myself this every day...

[sudden roost]

And that's the point.

[lunar marsh]

SOG Prairie Fire had a hard time implementing some of the features as it would use hacky tricks to achieve it something BI wouldn't approve.
A CDLC should be a market standard be something you can RELY on and isn't a mod. It should be the balance between quality and quantity and is upheld by BI quality standard.

BI decides the standard

[timid quartz]

Or lack thereof

[visual leaf]

It is very hard yes... Project Reality is the only example I know...

[inner urchin]

oh boy thats scary

[keen sparrow]

I thought that didn't apply anymore (or/and was only an advice)

[inner urchin]

how many people worked on rhs and cup? ifa? fow? unsing?

[scenic cove]

It varied over the years

[bold mulch]

that's what I have in mind - if they let CSLA release their work than this is above tthe standard they made

[inner urchin]

uhhhh gimme an avergae

we get it

guess what we’’ve been doing?

[keen sparrow]

Done?

[timid quartz]

The standard for cDLCs should be Arma 3 vanilla quality, GM passed it and SOG hit that imo

[scenic cove]

and you have to decide whether it counts when people donated their assets but then didn't participate in any revamping thereof 🤷

[fading snow]

Do you think GM and SOGPF would be as good (IMHO) as they are today if they weren't promised to make money out of their content.
I strongly believe that getting to make your own DLC (paid) in a game you love is a very high motivator to deliver more than you would deliver if you were just doing a mod for free*(no hate to free mods).

[inner urchin]

we were here for hours sating the same shiet! join in!

[lunar marsh]

SOG passed it in story telling and the vibe

[timid quartz]

Ill agree to that

[bold mulch]

xD

[inner urchin]

oh god

[scenic cove]

story telling and the vibe is subjective

[fading snow]

quiet

[inner urchin]

BRACE

[lunar marsh]

SOG Prairie Fire hit hard in regards to the Veterans and shit.

[fickle narwhal]

I'm not saying that it isn't worth it. I'm saying it's possible and that any dlc currrently released could have been a mod. SOGPF, Tanks, etc. Included

[lunar marsh]

And here we go we switch to subjective shit. You know subjective shit I think you should be ashamed if you use Arma 2 assets and sell them under a DLC with some of your own assets.

Just some you know just some assets

[sudden roost]

DayZ could have stayed a mod, but the fact that it got to be a paid game boosted if by like 500%

[lunar marsh]

We all remember the damn Skyrim fiasco with paid mods.

[inner urchin]

awww

anyways ya know this reminds me of dayz

[timid quartz]

And never gor finished, thanks Dean Hall

[bold mulch]

they have Creation Club now which is basically the same

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[timid quartz]

Dayz SA is the worst example lmao

[inner urchin]

amazing mod cuz it was free, shit game cuz it was a mod that wasnt free

yeah

basucally it

[scenic cove]

I was talking about 'the SOGPF campaign', not the nonexistent CSLA campaign...

[visual leaf]

In no way is CSLA gonna surpass CUP 😉

[inner urchin]

true

[fickle narwhal]

GM? Yeah that would have been as good. Hell probably better. BI wouldn't let them do some of the things they wanted to do. Money helps but it doesn't make the content impossible

[inner urchin]

cup is upping their game in the rhs v cup arms race

[bold mulch]

CUP was never promoted as something new

[inner urchin]

but anwyays

[rocky yew]

GM set an insanely high standard with both quality, quantity, far surpassing vanilla A3.

SOG has iffy models at times, but it has great playability and soundtrack and the map is one of its main beauty’s.

CSLA has missed all marks, it feels like a loosely connected bunch of assets varying in quality.
The terrain is good, but I’m not spending €12,99 on a terrain I’ll never use.
Product feels unfinished, uses too many A2 assets to the point where I might as well play A2 instead.
Not to mention major flaws in the CDLC itself and with quality control, which makes me frown at who actually did quality control.
Releasing a product with this many errors.

[inner urchin]

that too

[sonic pendant]

At least the AN/PVS-5 are cool