#creator_dlc_discussion | ARMA | Page 15

random crane Oct 15, 2020, 2:59 PM

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and will still make some people angry anyway

finite cave Oct 15, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Yeah, the CDF treatment

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Harvest Red essentially predicted the whole Ukraine mess-up

wraith sleet Oct 15, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Could always do the BFV and tell people to not play the game, if your playing a game with guns and killing then choose to get offended by factual historical accuracy in it, Then maybe it isnt the game for you

random crane Oct 15, 2020, 4:55 PM

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😄

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well turning customers off doesnt seem to be a winning strategy

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it doesnt work for EA, let alone someone trying to jumpstart a cdlc for arma

wraith sleet Oct 15, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Fair enough, could do it more like cod, they somehow manage to portray russians as badguys for ages, and no one really cares.
(although ofc its less historical based)

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Remember "no russian"? God tier mission, got news headlines for a month, then people forgot about it

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Id also like to point out BFV listening to the people who get offended and reducing historical accuracy is partially what lead it to have less customers

random crane Oct 15, 2020, 5:07 PM

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thats one way of describing it

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another way would be customers didnt like women with mechanical arms and black waffen ss soldiers and all that

solemn dock Oct 15, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Harvest Red was a text book example though. Nothing special just like the ghost recon games.

random crane Oct 15, 2020, 5:12 PM

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how do you mean @solemn dock ?

solemn dock Oct 15, 2020, 5:13 PM

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harvest red predicted the ukraine mess because it's taken straight out of the book of "scenarios we expect to happen in a cold war gone lukewarm"

random crane Oct 15, 2020, 5:15 PM

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ah ok yea

wraith sleet Oct 15, 2020, 5:19 PM

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lul what, they gave women Mechanical arms in a ww2 game? didnt know it was that bad

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then again i could only stand 1 or 2 of the campaigns OT games now tho 🤣

random crane Oct 15, 2020, 5:25 PM

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yea, idk if it was BFV or BF1, but its stupid shit like that that drove people off

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AND ea spokespeople telling people not to buy the game

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lmao

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who promotes a product like that

karmic harness Oct 15, 2020, 5:45 PM

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they gave women Mechanical arms in a ww2 game?
https://sm.ign.com/ign_ap/screenshot/default/bfv-revealthumbnail-square-wlogo-1527109562001_pd3k.jpg
@wraith sleet ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I remember my grandma. She also was wearing one of those 😉

wraith sleet Oct 15, 2020, 5:49 PM

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🤣 good meme

cerulean remnant Oct 15, 2020, 6:09 PM

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@wraith sleet

In Arma 2, we looked into contemporary armies of the period in general rather than trying to depict a historical conflict, but for the background, we drew some inspiration from the conflict in former Yugoslavia in the early 1990s.
From: https://bdingd.com/ivan_buchta_the_game_needs_to_be_challenging_and_offer_players_freedom

“The game needs to be challenging and offer players freedom” Interv...

BDinGD team has talked to Ivan and found out how they create realistic military conflicts in Arma, why they give priority to long gaming sessions, and why they put a real T-72 tank in one of their offices.

young geyser Oct 15, 2020, 6:13 PM

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harvest red predicted the ukraine mess because it's taken straight out of the book of "scenarios we expect to happen in a cold war gone lukewarm"
@solemn dock If it wasn't for the bugs, specially in coop, Harvest Red would be the best campaign by BI I've ever played, right up there with Contact and OLD MAN. It was immersive, interesting and very innovative for its time.

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I was very impressed when I first played the Arma 3 campaign to find out how much worst the Campaign got compared to the ones on Arma 2. It would be years before we got Contact and OLD MAN to even the odds vs. Arma 2 yet with dropped COOP...

solemn dock Oct 15, 2020, 6:16 PM

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I dislike contact and old man but harvest red was the best campaign imo. Idec about the bugs I knew how to prevent most in arma 2

young geyser Oct 15, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Hell if A4 is Harvest Red on the Enfusion engine with COOP I would die a happy man!

finite cave Oct 15, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Here's hoping to see harvest red remade...

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It's super hard to go back to arma 2 now :(

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Mechanics wise

devout turtle Oct 15, 2020, 8:27 PM

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a mixed Malaya and Kenya CDLC would get my vote.

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both have awesome never-done terrain and really cool post-ww2, pre-vietnam weapons

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also i dont think any game has covered these i nthe past... yet

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mau_Mau_Uprising

Mau Mau Uprising

The Mau Mau Uprising (1952–1960), also known as the Mau Mau Rebellion, the Kenya Emergency, and the Mau Mau Revolt, was a war in the British Kenya Colony (1920–1963) between the Kenya Land and Freedom Army (KLFA), also known as Mau Mau, and the British authorities.Dominated by...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

Malayan Emergency

The Malayan Emergency (Malay: Darurat Malaya) was a guerrilla war fought in the Federation of Malaya from 1948 until 1960. The conflict was between Commonwealth armed forces and pro-independence fighters of the Malayan National Liberation Army (MNLA), the military wing of the ...

devout turtle Oct 15, 2020, 10:14 PM

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hot dang i love my team. every day new surprises, and generally they are good ones.

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just finished a meeting with one of our task teams, 9 amazing modders, all working together, no dramas, no pausing, these guys would bleed for each other. just so cool to work with such people.

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can't wait til we can officially reveal what we're making.

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the difference between making a mod and making a professional product is really striking us hard at the moment, a lot of exhaustion, personal sacrifices, stupidly long working hours, trying to iron out all the things that are ok in a mod but not in a DLC.

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If we were making a mod, we'd have released it a year ago...

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anyway, early night for me, been going since 7, so that's another 16 hour day, quite a light one. the team i just left at it will be working through the night.

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honestly i'd donate a kidney to any one of them.

finite cave Oct 15, 2020, 10:22 PM

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God, let it have a Patton tank

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Lord knows we need one

devout turtle Oct 15, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Yac's beautiful patton in unsung is getting on a bit.

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back in the day it was amazing

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it still looks pretty good compared even to arma 2 vehicles

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just needs better rvmat and textures

finite cave Oct 15, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Here's hoping for a nice new MUTT while we're at it too!

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Gotta have me those OFP vibes...

devout turtle Oct 15, 2020, 10:25 PM

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we have Vilas' mutt in unsung, and another one from Mr Proper

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which i think is actually a willys

finite cave Oct 15, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Yeah I think there was a mixup

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Then again I haven't played Unsung in a bit

devout turtle Oct 15, 2020, 10:26 PM

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i modded them to a nice standard of function but an artist i am not

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we can't talk about what we're actually making this year. i'm just so happy with things i go to bed smiling and i wake up smiling every day.

finite cave Oct 15, 2020, 10:28 PM

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I understand :)

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Take your time for the grand reveal!

devout turtle Oct 15, 2020, 10:28 PM

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two of the guys had a bunfight this morning, the pressure is showing through, they immediately got o na call together and fixed the issue, and had a laugh about it.

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that's the beauty of a well honed team, we can be honest with each other and even grumpy or difficult, but nobody takes it personally, and arguments are forgotten within minutes

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this has been such a shit year for everyone here (covid and economy), doing this work has kept a lot of us happy.

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we all hope to make our time back in income. but the biggest reward is in creating something that is bigger than the sum of its parts.

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like any big mod team i guess 😉

dusk cargo Oct 16, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Yeah it's very cool to see results of work getting together into final form! Keep up the great work 👍

wraith sleet Oct 17, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Going back to that Balkan war idea i talked about

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If i were them I'd make it the exact situation just not put country flags or names

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Like the Balkan wars would be a really interesting and fun campaign

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And I'm not saying this only because I'm Balkan

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I talked to a few of my friends from other countries that are ArmA fanatics and they said they'd find it interesting too. What is your guys opinion on this?

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Also, basically everything could be fit into that campaign. You could be for example a artillery man, (as artillery was used EXTENSIVELY during the Balkan war) a tanker, (tankers were used too) Pilot, (you could replicate the F117A shootdown, just make it more epic when you fall down on the ground rather than yelling into a radio. For example you have to get to a certain location for heli pick up but there are a ton of enemies you have to take out, and you can do it either stealth or loud)

Basically anything can be utilized, as anything and everything was used in the war

gusty hemlock Oct 17, 2020, 8:56 AM

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CDLC Balkan Rim 😄

prisma minnow Oct 17, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Too much baggage with Balkans stuff.

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You can almost see the news headlines now: "Video Game Developer Allows You To Replicate Srebrenica"

sinful cape Oct 17, 2020, 10:39 AM

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young people wont know much about srebrenica

wraith sleet Oct 17, 2020, 10:49 AM

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You can almost see the news headlines now: "Video Game Developer Allows You To Replicate Srebrenica"
@prisma minnow waht

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That's like saying WW2 mods let you replicate Auschwitz

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But i do get what you're saying

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Uncredible news sources could make something like that

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But in reality it wouldn't be like that tbh

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Like nothing at all

muted narwhal Oct 17, 2020, 10:51 AM

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@wraith sleet everyone is allowed to pitch a cDLC towards BI. so, feel free to so just that

wraith sleet Oct 17, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Wait whatd i do wrong

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we're just discussing

muted narwhal Oct 17, 2020, 10:52 AM

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i know, but all things considered, this is neither a political channel, nor a request/idea channel

wraith sleet Oct 17, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Ah i see

muted narwhal Oct 17, 2020, 10:53 AM

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If i were them I'd make it the exact situation just not put country flags or names
@wraith sleet who is “them”

wraith sleet Oct 17, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Sorry, wrote that wrong

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My English is bad sometimes

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I meant On the off chance if they were to make it they could make the situation like the Balkan war but the country flag and references to the actual war to be kept out

muted narwhal Oct 17, 2020, 10:55 AM

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who is they?

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who is subject of this conversation?

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some cDLC development team

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Bohemia Interactive?

ashen helm Oct 17, 2020, 11:59 AM

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No commercial entity is going to touch that subject with a 10 foot pole so I wouldn't keep my hopes up

ashen belfry Oct 17, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Just remember, SDIF got dropped like a hot potato, I can't imagine anyone wants to go anywhere near genocide.

random crane Oct 17, 2020, 12:40 PM

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SDIF?

prisma minnow Oct 17, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Six Days In Fallujah

delicate pine Oct 17, 2020, 12:45 PM

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It depends how you would like to treat that conflict - if it would be sort of hollywod total war with kebab removal kind of jokes then yes, it would definitely go wrong. On the other hand, I can imagine it could be really good candidate for sort of community Law of War 2 cDLC where each involved in conflict party would get their motives explained

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also with some commentary about what went wrong (UN forces lack of reaction, etc)

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It could be also done in similar fashion to This is War of Mine, where you have fictional country heavily inspired by balkan war - it would fit armaverse quite good too

random crane Oct 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

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i think the second option would be better imo

ashen belfry Oct 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

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I'd lean heavily to the fictional country.

random crane Oct 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

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if its just about the hardware and general aesthetic changing names would not be a problem

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if you want to dive into the political/racial aspect then you're in really dangerous territory

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even if you're the most fair and balanced person you're inevitably going to piss some people off

knotty ore Oct 17, 2020, 1:37 PM

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which is probably why all Arma official content is fictional

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keeps it a game

void yoke Oct 17, 2020, 3:39 PM

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I prefeer fictional stuff because it adds a layer of respect for the real thing
it would be impossible to represent to the letter any real war without harming the gameplay balance

knotty ore Oct 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Arma has never been about 1 : 1 Balance though either

gusty hemlock Oct 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Nobody seems to have canceled asymmetric wars 😄 (I mean games, not real life).

knotty ore Oct 17, 2020, 6:43 PM

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games are often made like that though. even more so today, things are quite symmetrical or balanced

gusty hemlock Oct 17, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Like RS2: Vietnam.

devout turtle Oct 17, 2020, 11:50 PM

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balkans and northern ireland somehow seem untouchable for war games

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feels like there is no right way to have fun in them without feeling guilty or having to apologise

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all wars contain horrific atrocities

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but the heat of the ethinic hate in those two conflicts feels too much

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i was ambushed by the IRA and survived, and had PTSD for 20 years about that, and i played unsung wit ha guy who was INLA (on the other side)

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arma brought us together

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but we'd never want to explore the histor ytoo deeply together im sure

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having read up on balkans a lot (cutting kids throats and throwing them in the river) and knowing how messed up some of my mates are from serving there with UN... seeing atrocities first hand, it's not something i would personally ever want to see in a game.

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it's subjective. there's no right or wrong in that

ebon sedge Oct 18, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Also I think some wars are too 'alive' for games to touch

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as in participants/their ideas still being around

devout turtle Oct 18, 2020, 12:15 AM

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/022408089X/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2

Safe Area Gorazde: The War in Eastern Bosnia 1992-95: Amazon.co.uk:...

Buy Safe Area Gorazde: The War in Eastern Bosnia 1992-95 New Ed by Sacco, Joe, Hitchens, Christopher (ISBN: 9780224080897) from Amazon's Book Store. Everyday low prices and free delivery on eligible orders.

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I've always been a fan of Joe Sacco's graphic novels

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this is a classic

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0224073826/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i8

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and the sequel hewrote

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and this is also excellent

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trusted-Mole-Soldiers-Journey-Darkness/dp/0006530907/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=trusted+mole&qid=1602980418&s=books&sr=1-1

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a warts and all account of the conflict by General Sir Michael Roses fixer, a serbian brit para officer

wraith sleet Oct 18, 2020, 11:06 AM

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I wouldn't read books about it made by one side only

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When people hear the Balkan war they automatically think genocide, only killing civilians etc

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While it happened it wasn't as often as you think it'd be

ashen belfry Oct 18, 2020, 11:12 AM

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Come on folks, we have a no politics rule for a reason.

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5. This Discord is no place for conversation about politics, or any political issues.

wraith sleet Oct 18, 2020, 11:13 AM

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We're just discussing, I think that Rob's story is cool and valid to the topic

ashen belfry Oct 18, 2020, 11:14 AM

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Again, please see my post above.

devout turtle Oct 18, 2020, 12:50 PM

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sorry FM, was steering clear of politics while commenting on the tastefulness (or not) of different creator DLC themes. tough to balance.

ashen belfry Oct 18, 2020, 1:12 PM

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It is a hard one to balance, I'll give you that.

nimble hatch Oct 19, 2020, 11:11 AM

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I think its good though, what everyone says here about staying out of politics altogether, and sticking to fiction, but that we must keep well informed and prepared to maintain balance and peace

nimble hatch Oct 20, 2020, 6:51 PM

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You know, ive been thinking recently, how two/3 completely abstract concepts can come together as one, a military simulation shooter and upcoming/current and veterans working with people from the creative arts (not to forget to mention the tech guys) who may not have any time served or combat experience, working together to push for more content, change in gameplay, more theoretical scenarios in different timeframes, zones, with different units, to make time/room for memorable times with each individuals unit/community of people, all the while gaining skills and new knowledge in each field, be it combat scenarios or just creative production, arma 3, bis and the DLC, most especially the mod community, i think we are truly blessed and so lucky to have such a cohesive (for the most part) community who just want to contribute to help the community have a better experience

Especially in the fact that we can play battles from both sides of the coin, and gain understanding and therefore relate, this is very important in preventing any troubles.

Trying to see things from the outside in, think we should all take time to remember the situation were presently in and be grateful and happy, if you said to someone 10 years ago that remote working and third party content to a company provided in an online capacity would be possible, they would laugh.

we truly are part of history, in the present, unfolding itself right infront of our eyes, such an honor.

From a creative armajunkie

(Appreciation post)

abstract hawk Oct 21, 2020, 7:19 PM

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sorry, but can I ask questions about other games of your development?

red saddle Oct 21, 2020, 7:20 PM

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read the name and description of this channel

abstract hawk Oct 21, 2020, 7:22 PM

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oh, I just don't know where I can write a developer

red saddle Oct 21, 2020, 7:24 PM

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you dont

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if you want to ask something general, use #arma3_questions

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you wont message a developer, just ask in public and someone will know the answer probably

low axle Oct 26, 2020, 3:28 AM

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the new creator dlc content coming out. Man there is allot to live upto. Like with RHS a pretty top quality mod. One of those things happens to be the m81 camoflauge. Like if it happens to be in the creator DLC i have very high expectations of it. As still to date only one mod i think gets close to representing it.

dense grail Oct 26, 2020, 7:36 AM

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I'm surprised rhs don't go.. you know what... what are we doing lets go for creator dlc lol I mean their mod is the sorta thing people would pay money for but also rhs is what is keeping arma fresh and popular haha

red saddle Oct 26, 2020, 8:19 AM

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Maybe they are working on a cdlc but not telling anyone

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Same for CUP team blobdoggoshruggoogly

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But what would they make?

hallow parrot Oct 26, 2020, 8:23 AM

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PuFu said they ever thought about it, and in past tense
https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/757970893799686254/766304334593785876

dense grail Oct 26, 2020, 8:45 AM

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very true dedmen, i think the rhs team covered a huge chunk already so choices on what to do with any dlc would be hard

we can only wait and see and same goes for the cup team. both brilliant groups and the amount of work they have done is amazing

muted narwhal Oct 26, 2020, 9:45 AM

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@dense grail - RHS, as a group, will not partake in the current cDLC program.

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there is nothing to hide about it. it simply won’t happen.

dense grail Oct 26, 2020, 9:59 AM

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Nice one keep up the good work regardless :)

solid slate Oct 26, 2020, 1:44 PM

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But what would they make?
@red saddle Female units

muted narwhal Oct 26, 2020, 1:48 PM

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@solid slate considering the amount of time spent in and around A3, what are females?

solid slate Oct 26, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Mostly a myth. Some say they are some strange creatures that bleed, despite not being hurt, once in a while but don't die. Doesn't sound very believable.

wraith sleet Oct 26, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Sounds like a scary Halloween story

karmic harness Oct 26, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Not that scary. I cut my finger once. Lived to tell the tale 🤷‍♂️

wraith sleet Oct 26, 2020, 3:56 PM

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the mystic creatures get extremely angry when they bleed,

karmic harness Oct 26, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I'm starting to regret that I took part in this discussion 🙄

lime bay Oct 27, 2020, 5:00 PM

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You know what CDLC I'd want?

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ARMA Ancient Warfare, play as a Roman Footsoldier during Caesar's campaign in Gaul

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your commander is a time travelling Miller

karmic harness Oct 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I think the earliest you can go in Arma is currently Nassau 1715
Not counting the raptors, of course 😉

sinful cape Oct 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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needs someone with a few million moneys to make it happen, though 😄

finite cave Oct 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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That's not true 😉

muted narwhal Oct 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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@lime bay feel free to pitch that idea towards BI :))

finite cave Oct 27, 2020, 5:10 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qonz1OXFmMM

sinful cape Oct 27, 2020, 5:10 PM

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good old times where anyone could make a model and get it ingame

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and it wouldnt even look bad

finite cave Oct 27, 2020, 5:11 PM

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😄

lime bay Oct 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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oh MAN imagine that

finite cave Oct 27, 2020, 5:22 PM

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There's also Middle ages, Napoleonic wars, Franco-Prussian wars and I'm sure I'm missing a bunch

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the more standard lineup of WW1, WW2, Vietnam and many more

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If you haven't been able to tinker with old OFP yet, I recommend picking it up now on sale for less than a dollar 🙂

karmic harness Oct 27, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I should have specified: "Arma 3" because pointing to OFP is effectively cheating, here 😛

finite cave Oct 27, 2020, 5:36 PM

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I know 😄

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Still, it deserves a little love and attention here and now 😉

prisma mountain Oct 27, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Also plenty room for a Sci-Fi CDLC 😄

karmic harness Oct 27, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Still, it deserves a little love and attention here and now 😉
@finite cave
It has had my unconditional love for a long time already. To be exact, it started after... Montignac 😏

finite cave Oct 27, 2020, 7:47 PM

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My apologies

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After Montignac is a PTSD nightmare

void yoke Oct 27, 2020, 8:13 PM

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people would hate on a sci-fi CDLC but I would absolutely love it

dusk cargo Oct 27, 2020, 8:28 PM

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people would hate on absolutely every thing 🤷

random crane Oct 27, 2020, 8:33 PM

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true

sinful cape Oct 27, 2020, 8:55 PM

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people would hate on people who would hate on people

void yoke Oct 27, 2020, 10:45 PM

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tru tru

devout turtle Oct 28, 2020, 2:26 PM

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bad opinions from internet people is never a reason not to do something you love.

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let's have unZung Kong CTF

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📎 UnZung_jurrasic.jpg

random crane Oct 28, 2020, 2:38 PM

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😄

fiery fulcrum Oct 28, 2020, 3:02 PM

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thats sick lol 😄

devout turtle Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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we should probably have put this on kickstarter

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the mad thing is Pete made this pic 5 years BEFORE Kong: Skull Island was even a screenplay.

ebon sedge Oct 31, 2020, 11:35 PM

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My prediction: next CDLC is starsim hehehe (/s)

red saddle Oct 31, 2020, 11:43 PM

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meowcamera

plucky magnet Nov 1, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Star Wars CDLC Kappa

finite cave Nov 1, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Developed by Bohemia

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Published by Disney

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@wraith sleet share rumors😄

wraith sleet Nov 1, 2020, 1:17 AM

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Yeah spill the beans, fill us in.

urban flame Nov 1, 2020, 6:28 AM

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oh lord

devout turtle Nov 1, 2020, 8:36 AM

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Such wild speculation, and so off-target. Everyone in the inner circle knows it is Edwardian Hot air balloon racing

finite cave Nov 1, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Yoo how cool would that be

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Probably not in ArmA's engine

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But I'd buy that game 😄

muted narwhal Nov 1, 2020, 10:24 AM

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buy what? star wars thingy?

finite cave Nov 1, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Edwardian hot air balloons

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What part of that doesn't sound awesome

devout turtle Nov 1, 2020, 12:03 PM

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dropping sandbags on a rival ballooneer, what's not to love?

finite cave Nov 1, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Grappling hook your adversaries, a-ha!

wraith sleet Nov 1, 2020, 6:40 PM

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What rumors though, I haven't seen anything rumor worthy

desert vapor Nov 1, 2020, 10:37 PM

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So can someone give me some info... creator? Can u literally make ur own server?

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Any faq or how tos?

knotty ore Nov 1, 2020, 10:50 PM

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not the topic of this channel mate. This one is for discussing the Creator DLCs

wraith sleet Nov 10, 2020, 5:33 PM

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The creator dlc that I will see announced but don't think it will happen:
-1945 Berlin Apocalypse: On a huge map showing Berlin, take part in the last great battle of the second war.
-1991 Desert Storm: Relive the Gulf War.
-Cuba Cold War: Experience the war between the United States and Cuba.

ebon sedge Nov 10, 2020, 5:35 PM

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A WW2 CDLC would be cool

karmic harness Nov 10, 2020, 5:36 PM

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A WW2 CDLC will never happen as there is already the IFA mod 😏

lean sail Nov 10, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Vietnam war would be great as well; like an upgraded version of Unsung and a terrain like PKL 🤤

wraith sleet Nov 10, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I totally respect the work done by the IFA team it's a fantastic mod but I would like to live a World War II experience on maps and assets that have the level of detail and quality of Global Mobilization it would be great.

young geyser Nov 11, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Imagine a CDLC that brings the Arma 2 campaigns to Arma 3... instant buy at 60$!

red saddle Nov 11, 2020, 11:54 AM

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people would just complain about being able to buy something they could get for free/much cheaper by just getting Arma 2

finite cave Nov 11, 2020, 11:59 AM

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You can't get A3 experience in A2

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But I get what you mean

ebon sedge Nov 11, 2020, 12:07 PM

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Imagine a CDLC that brings the Arma 2 campaigns to Arma 3... instant buy at 60$!
iirc @undone kayak was working on something like that a while ago

undone kayak Nov 11, 2020, 12:12 PM

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Not arma 2, I'm afraid.
I was trying to port the ArmA (armed assault) campaign to A3 :)
new semester started so I'm short on time, but I plan to resume work

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I thought I saw Harvest Red in the workshop at some time, but I don't think they ever completed it.

wary ice Nov 11, 2020, 12:34 PM

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whats a CDLC?

young geyser Nov 11, 2020, 12:34 PM

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I don't know if it was the time or because it was my first Arma game but I played Harvest Red in COOP back in the day and still to this day no other campaign ever surpassed it. It was buggy as hell but it was far more immersive than anything newer and it was one of the few games out there to offer COOP on its main campaign. Finally I found equal fun playing OLD MAN. But imagine how many years of Arma 3 had to pass to get something of equal measure to A2.

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people would just complain about being able to buy something they could get for free/much cheaper by just getting Arma 2
@red saddle Also much buggier, lacking modern controls and all the other missing features. Don't get me wrong, A2 will always be my favorite Arma game but I just can't go back to it... It hasn't aged well. (And don't get me even started on its multiplayer).

hallow parrot Nov 11, 2020, 12:40 PM

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@wary ice Check the pinned

wary ice Nov 11, 2020, 12:41 PM

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ah i see

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its basically a paid mod

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but like bigger

knotty ore Nov 11, 2020, 12:53 PM

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with that logic all DLCs are paid mods.

sacred flint Nov 11, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Imagine a CDLC that brings the Arma 2 campaigns to Arma 3... instant buy at 60$!
@young geyser

would be great

finite cave Nov 11, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Harvest Red is great

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But the transition back to A2 is too painful 😦

gusty hemlock Nov 11, 2020, 1:13 PM

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For me, returning to A2: CO after A3 is not very difficult... but the installation of A2: CO with all its DLCs... it's completely fucked up, if only Arma 2: CO with all DLCs was one game, like for example: Arma: Gold Edition, which means you're downloading one game that already has it all! It would be cool.

sacred flint Nov 11, 2020, 1:25 PM

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a few months ago I replayed Harvest Red, I must say that it was difficult to resume the mechanics of the ArmA 2 engine .... but the campaign for me is spectacular. brought me back .... nostalgia effect lol. obviously I completed it.

ebon sedge Nov 11, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Not arma 2, I'm afraid.
I was trying to port the ArmA (armed assault) campaign to A3 :)
new semester started so I'm short on time, but I plan to resume work
Oooh yeah sorry, gpt the games mixed up

young geyser Nov 11, 2020, 1:36 PM

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For me, returning to A2: CO after A3 is not very difficult... but the installation of A2: CO with all its DLCs... it's completely fucked up, if only Arma 2: CO with all DLCs was one game, like for example: Arma: Gold Edition, which means you're downloading one game that already has it all! It would be cool.
@gusty hemlock I suggested this many times, Even Dwarden confirmed that that was a plan once but was scraped for some reason...

undone kayak Nov 11, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Np, pi :)

gusty hemlock Nov 11, 2020, 1:38 PM

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@gusty hemlock I suggested this many times, Even Dwarden confirmed that that was a plan once but was scraped for some reason...
@young geyser scraped... 😞

young geyser Nov 11, 2020, 2:34 PM

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If A4 is A2 on enfusion BI would get my full 70$ + 4 more copies for my LAN partners

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😄

gusty hemlock Nov 11, 2020, 3:20 PM

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I'll sell my kidney 🤣

loud apex Nov 13, 2020, 12:33 PM

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I love the cold war and ww2 stuff but a CDLC in the 2035 setting would be good too 😕

normal light Nov 13, 2020, 3:29 PM

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You know...what ever happend to the “Lost Dragons” mod?

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Did it ever get finished or is it abandoned?

lean sail Nov 13, 2020, 3:32 PM

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didn't knew that was a CDLC meowhuh

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but a 5sec search on Google will give you some answers, I'm sure of it

red saddle Nov 13, 2020, 3:34 PM

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its still WIP

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as always

knotty ore Nov 13, 2020, 3:34 PM

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@normal light Im still working on it 😛

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just had a thing that has been taking my time for a while

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its not a CDLC tho

sinful cape Nov 13, 2020, 4:00 PM

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is it baby flamingos

supple mason Nov 15, 2020, 8:15 PM

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I'd pay 5-10$ for a creator DLC that's just the soundtrack from A2, that was some on point music (a3's is great too)

ebon sedge Nov 15, 2020, 8:19 PM

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a CDLC that adds new music in general would be cool

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Not new complete songs, but stuff like ambient/background music

sinful cape Nov 15, 2020, 8:24 PM

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would be ripped out and on youtube within the first 15 mins :p

ebon sedge Nov 15, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Yeah but I mean music that can be played ingame through the 3den/zeus modules

somber ice Nov 15, 2020, 8:39 PM

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They could just put the A2 Music in A3 with a "DLC" Pack of 4.99 and give 75% of the earnings to the red cross and everbody will be happy technically

ebon sedge Nov 15, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Except for the people screaming "reeeeeeeeeeee they're just reseling stuff I already bought"

lucid depot Nov 15, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Except for the people screaming "reeeeeeeeeeee they're just reseling stuff I already bought"
Don't forget about the "BI plz give ArmA4 instead of working on DLC"

somber ice Nov 15, 2020, 8:40 PM

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If they are gonna complain for 4.99, oh boy, but yeah those exist. (Maybe all Arma(A) Soundtracks could be brought to A3, so it would be a bigger reason to buy it)

sinful cape Nov 15, 2020, 9:30 PM

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bro, people complain about 2 bucks dlc

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amount of content doesnt matter. someone will complain

ebon sedge Nov 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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bro, people complain about 2 bucks dlc
To be fair that might be fair depending on the dlc

lunar rivet Nov 16, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Total War Blood dlc anyone...

devout turtle Nov 16, 2020, 8:03 AM

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A wildlife dlc would be cool - a whole zoo full of animals with new behaviour. Bears, mountain lions, tigers, hyena, pigs, baboons, elephant, sharks, sheep, horses... hunters, survivors, lifers and even milsim could make good use of them

wraith sleet Nov 16, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Oh boy shooting animals with a 125mm? That would be cool

ebon sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:16 AM

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A wildlife dlc would be cool - a whole zoo full of animals with new behaviour. Bears, mountain lions, tigers, hyena, pigs, baboons, elephant, sharks, sheep, horses... hunters, survivors, lifers and even milsim could make good use of them
I thought for a sec you were including lifers in the list of animals

gray pelican Nov 16, 2020, 11:30 AM

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I thought for a sec you were including lifers in the list of animals
I wont complain

solid slate Nov 16, 2020, 1:14 PM

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Oh boy shooting animals with a 125mm? That would be cool
@wraith sleet 🐐 + = 💥

prisma mountain Nov 16, 2020, 6:12 PM

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I mean saves you time of chopping it up for ground meat, and stew 😄

sage oxide Nov 16, 2020, 9:10 PM

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I'd pay 5-10$ for a creator DLC that's just the soundtrack from A2, that was some on point music (a3's is great too)
@supple mason Most if not all of the music is already in A3. It came with Old man scenario.

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The files are in Expansion\Addons\music_f_oldman_music.pbo.

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They are also defined in the config to be played. Can't remember in which one right now.

wraith sleet Nov 16, 2020, 10:08 PM

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But... aren't you paying for the soundtrack, along with the game?

wraith sleet Nov 18, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Anyone know of a good helicopter practice landing mission?

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I know how to land it, just how do you stop quickly and land to drop off players, like in KOTH

hallow parrot Nov 18, 2020, 7:15 AM

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I believe this is not a suitable topic. Although Steam Workshop offers some I think, #arma3_questions is better place

wraith sleet Nov 18, 2020, 7:23 AM

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oh ok thank you

wraith sleet Nov 19, 2020, 3:25 AM

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I'd pay for an AI mod creator DLC lmfao.

knotty ore Nov 19, 2020, 3:27 AM

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what would that do?

wraith sleet Nov 19, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Like most other "AI mods" that fall into trend and (sometimes) die out, it would probably extend the functionality and behavior of AI. Better FSM so they react faster and more appropriately (instead of sitting there prone on a road), better pathfinding through buildings and maybe better communication/support from eachother.

Sounds like a mod or a patch I know but Bohemia seems to not have the ability or the need to update the AI, so that's why AI mods are used a lot

knotty ore Nov 19, 2020, 4:18 AM

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such a thing is likely out of CDLC scope, I could see it being very very difficult to make vanilla compatible so that old missions dont break since they are build for the orginal mechanics

sinful cape Nov 19, 2020, 6:27 AM

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also you can't really justify that as cdlc, because i guarantee lots of voices will be like "waah, waah, this should be in vanilla game already, waah, waah"

tepid lance Nov 19, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Just editing FSMs is not the solution either. You need to keep scalability (100s of units using the same type of FSM) in mind, so you'd want to refrain from scripted FSM and instead use the engine level low-impact FSM. To make any meaningful changes here it requires engine access to rework those commands and their behaviour as well.

wraith sleet Nov 27, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Any news on next dlc so far?

knotty ore Nov 27, 2020, 1:00 AM

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no

red saddle Nov 27, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Well CSLA was announced

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Or do you mean new news about CSLA besides the delay announcement?

lean sail Nov 27, 2020, 1:02 AM

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well, wasn't the Art of War DLC planned to be released around Christmas this year? Or do I remember that incorrect 🤔

red saddle Nov 27, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Oh right, Art of War too

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But I think the sitrep talked about it too? Don't remember what it said exactly

lean sail Nov 27, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Art of War charity DLC

shifting the release to early 2021
Creator DLC: CSLA Iron Curtain
targeting a release in 2021
source: https://dev.arma3.com/post/sitrep-00239

knotty ore Nov 27, 2020, 1:15 AM

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those are old news though 😄

lean sail Nov 27, 2020, 1:15 AM

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yup, from last week 🤣

devout turtle Nov 27, 2020, 6:48 PM

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no xmas present ??

sleek cairn Nov 28, 2020, 12:02 PM

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Anyone wish bohemia would give the 2035 Russian ground forces team support so they can make a fully fleshed out version of the mod as dlc?

prisma minnow Nov 28, 2020, 2:18 PM

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sleek cairn Anyone wish bohemia would give the 2035 Russian ground forces team support so th...

Bohemia can't "give" support unless the 2035 RU team pitch a concept to them. There's also the problem of putting a free mod behind a paywall which goes against the programme's T&C.

random crane Nov 28, 2020, 2:58 PM

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assets can be remade

void yoke Nov 28, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I think hes talking about contact spetznaz units

random crane Nov 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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no, he's talking about the 2035 RAF mod

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why would he specify 'version of the mod' otherwise

sleek cairn Nov 28, 2020, 6:24 PM

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@prisma minnow yea i probs didnt phrase that right but that was what i wanted to get at, a remake thats based on the original mod in concept only ofc

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but yea its entirely up to the development team

void yoke Nov 28, 2020, 9:26 PM

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oh yeah seems unlikely since
A) they cant sell something they already gave for free
B) it would need to make it a full dlc with enemies and a campaign and assets
not just a faction

sinful cape Nov 28, 2020, 9:41 PM

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if i remember right, the point was that "stuff that is free already has to remain free" - doesn't mean you can take the free thing and expand it, though

void yoke Nov 28, 2020, 9:51 PM

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true but you can't take the russian 2035 mod and put it in a dlc along with other things neither BI or the players would really like that

sinful cape Nov 28, 2020, 9:51 PM

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dunno. i dont even know the mod. just saying :p

delicate pine Nov 28, 2020, 10:02 PM

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imo some small mod like that would work - CDLC doesn't have to be necessarily total conversion mod nor big as GM

random crane Nov 28, 2020, 10:03 PM

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^

sinful cape Nov 28, 2020, 10:09 PM

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yeh, would be cool to see something small

prisma mountain Nov 29, 2020, 2:34 AM

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I'm honestly suprised that wasn't the first type of CDLC out.

sleek cairn Nov 29, 2020, 3:51 AM

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@void yoke iron curtain is gunna have a campaign?

void yoke Nov 29, 2020, 3:51 AM

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I recall reading cdlc content can't be purely MP

sleek cairn Nov 29, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Makes sense i guess

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Some ppl just wanna shoot ai

sleek cairn Nov 29, 2020, 4:23 AM

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void yoke true but you can't take the russian 2035 mod and put it in a dlc along with othe...

I did say a remake which means if bohemia approves is gonna just be a new idea that's very similar but doesnt officially tie nor affiliate itself to the old idea, and tbh i have no issue with paid assets because free often means it'll be low quality

cerulean remnant Nov 29, 2020, 4:34 AM

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I recall reading cdlc content can't be purely MP
If that is the case, that still doesn't mean there will be a campaign. There might only be individual SP missions. The store page only says "Singleplayer and multiplayer scenarios"

void yoke Nov 29, 2020, 4:37 AM

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cerulean remnant > I recall reading cdlc content can't be purely MP If that is the case, that sti...

true

random crane Nov 29, 2020, 11:13 AM

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i think simple sandbox content is ok, its just multiplayer gamemodes that are not eligible

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the rules dont specify any minimum content requirement either

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but i suspect starting to work on a cdlc now is kind of late for the party

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considering you're looking at one or two years of development

steady nest Nov 29, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Yup, I distinctly remember 'MP game modes only' not being eligible as CDLC pitches in BI's public rules

bright eagle Jan 5, 2021, 2:08 PM

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I'm just hoping that we don't just get Cold War CDLC. There are other themes that could be targeted, but I'm personally hoping for more vanilla / 2030's content.

ebon sedge Jan 5, 2021, 2:08 PM

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I very much doubt that we'll be only getting cold war stuff

devout turtle Jan 15, 2021, 8:34 AM

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is there available anywhere any analysis of arma 3 MP game modes ranked by popularity/ use?

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I'm considering which ones to have a CDLC integrated with.

lean sail Jan 15, 2021, 8:37 AM

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You could take a look at the ranking of servers on https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/arma3
Although I doubt you want to support LifeRP 🤣

ebon sedge Jan 15, 2021, 8:38 AM

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^ But I dont think I've heard of any kind of popularity ranking

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Maybe BI has some secret stats heh

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As a sidenote, iirc the BI game modes (like Endgame) are relatively easy to edit, I was playing around with the mode a while ago and it was pretty simple

devout turtle Jan 15, 2021, 9:14 AM

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thanks guys

fringe quartz Jan 15, 2021, 10:13 AM

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I'm sure BI some secret stats from the in-game analytics system thingy.

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I always hoped they'd release some of that publicly.

ebon sedge Jan 15, 2021, 10:26 AM

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We got the playtime thing recently which is nice

fringe quartz Jan 15, 2021, 10:28 AM

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I was thinking something like most played mods. Or the average fps. 😄

red saddle Jan 15, 2021, 10:28 AM

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I think we have gamemode, but the engine gamemode.
Doesn't provide much info when most of them just say "sandbox" or "coop"

ebon sedge Jan 15, 2021, 10:28 AM

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red saddle I think we have gamemode, but the engine gamemode. Doesn't provide much info whe...

Are those the ones that are avaible in the server browser's filter, or?

red saddle Jan 15, 2021, 10:29 AM

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I think so

ebon sedge Jan 15, 2021, 10:29 AM

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I think endgame and stuff is in there?

red saddle Jan 15, 2021, 10:29 AM

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I don't know what stats we have and never really saw them, just guessing what we would have

ebon sedge Jan 15, 2021, 10:29 AM

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but even if not would still make for some interesting data imo

fringe quartz Jan 15, 2021, 10:37 AM

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Apparently stats.swec.se has disappeared a while ago too. 😦 It had a most played MP scenarios list

devout turtle Jan 15, 2021, 1:36 PM

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i remember that! it was a good tool

steady nest Jan 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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A hopefully useful note/reminder about why we've only had two CDLC announcements (one released and supported post-release, the other on its way) and almost nothing about CSLA Iron Curtain other than its existence, premise, and being released sometime this year:

It's contractually prohibited to pre-announce anything that hasn't been prepared for release, so no road-maps are possible. In a way this is better than all the seemingly empty promises made by game companies in early development who show you a bunch of WIP screenshots, then eventually decide to do a kickstarter, or who release early alpha and then stay in dev-hell for years. It's a good policy, but it does leave CDLC teams a bit lost and lonely, when we want so badly to announce our stuff.
#csla_iron_curtain message

sinful cape Jan 22, 2021, 9:25 PM

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dunno, i feel it takes off pressure if you dont talk about stuff until it is ready. no unrealistic hype, no stress to deliver, no distractions (some folks like to talk a lot ... you know, better less talking and more deving)

devout turtle Jan 22, 2021, 10:14 PM

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i'm a talker. as you all know. comes with the autism. kicking my ass to keep quiet on details.

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as for no stress, you got me there. i'd love to know your secret

red saddle Jan 22, 2021, 10:22 PM

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theres always stress as you still have internal deadlines

sinful cape Jan 22, 2021, 10:38 PM

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yes, some stress is always there, but imo it makes a difference if there are thousands of people watching over your shoulder

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biggest issue is probably setting too high expectations

ebon sedge Jan 22, 2021, 11:53 PM

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sinful cape biggest issue is probably setting too high expectations

The problem with expectations is that people like to get invested in the smallest thing thats released, and then try to extrapolate the entire extent of the project from that

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~~totally not me cough #creator_dlc_discussion message~~

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but yeah when people get their expectations from something like that, they can easily be disappointed if the contents arent what they imagined on release

lean sail Jan 22, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Just look at the 💩-show around Cyberpunk at the moment (other than the console issues)... Where people complain that something the devs had 6 years ago is not in the game anymore, or something they talked about a year ago has changed...
Getting the hype up can be good for sales, but can also backfire when the expectations are higher than the actual release.

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Although I would agree that CDLC teams should have some possibilities for sharing some WIP content or at least stuff that is already done (just not released)

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But that is up to BI to decide, not us

karmic harness Jan 23, 2021, 12:00 AM

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Tbh the Cyberpunk PR people were advertising that they WILL implement X that they later scratched, and they did that for lots of things, actually, doing lots of false promises.
So I don't blame people expecting to obtain what was promised 🙄

ebon sedge Jan 23, 2021, 12:00 AM

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lean sail Although I would agree that CDLC teams should have some possibilities for sharin...

Eeh, I think the way its going now is the better way to do it

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Just keeps everyone free from disappointment

prisma minnow Jan 23, 2021, 1:07 AM

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CDLCs don't exactly have a high bar to pass. They just need to avoid the Todd Howard Syndrome and everything'll be fine.

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i.e. "Sixteen times the detail vs vanilla content!"

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"Four times the size of vanilla Arma 3 content!"

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...or "our campaign will have 200 endings!"

red saddle Jan 23, 2021, 1:14 AM

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That's what you think

void yoke Jan 23, 2021, 2:42 AM

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you see that mountain?
you can climb it

you just won't want to

sinful cape Jan 23, 2021, 7:24 AM

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ebon sedge but yeah when people get their expectations from something like that, they can e...

and that's why it's better not to talk about anything until it is certain :>

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especially with cdlc --- there is no guarantee that something will be released at all.

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even if you have finished your project, BI might still say that the quality isn't good enough

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and now imagine what would happen if you hyped up the community about it already ... nothing good will come from this :>

sage oxide Jan 23, 2021, 7:30 AM

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Well the responsibility lies solely with BI and it's employees' ability to manage the whole cdlc endeavor.

devout turtle Jan 23, 2021, 1:38 PM

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also a DLC team might implode before handover, or show footage of something that an unscrupulous artist stole from another game and passed off as his own... a lot of bad things are possible. It's a shame CDLC's get no real warm-up in the press like other games, but it makes a lot of sense to do it this way.

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the good thing about arma is it's a long shelf-life platform

sage oxide Jan 23, 2021, 4:03 PM

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Although a bit dated one. 🙂

steady nest Jan 23, 2021, 4:05 PM

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but that's why Arma 4 will (eventually) happen

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Insert 'Arma 4 takes over a decade after Arma 3 to be released, upon announcement is already five years behind the times' joke here

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People have already complained about that considering that Enfusion was announced back in 2014

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but that's more a #general_chat_arma topic

sinful cape Jan 23, 2021, 6:31 PM

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i mean, people complain about everything

devout turtle Jan 23, 2021, 7:46 PM

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they do

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creators just need to stay true to themselves, and say screw everyone else

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and they either sink or swim on their vision

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i'd much rather live my life that way than to make beige bland games that please a core consumer base and tick all the boxes for the average player

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or sell out completely and put red dots on a pssh in ww2

wraith sleet Jan 25, 2021, 4:33 PM

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hello . there is talk on reddit about next cdlc being mostly content from a arma 2 mod being moved to arma 3, is this true ? was there a definitive answer ? thanks

karmic harness Jan 25, 2021, 4:39 PM

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There will be no definitive answer until the CDLC releases

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http://csla-studio.blogspot.com/2020/11/cdlc-csla-iron-curtain-postponed-to-2021.html
As mentioned in official Arma3 SITREP #00239, release of our CDLC will be slightly postponed to 2021. We would like to deliver the best possible experience, so we will take some more time to polish the content of our CDLC.

Now what "polish the content" means is up anyone's interpretation

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This could even mean "let's redo everything from scratch, without saying that explicitly", in extreme cases

lean sail Jan 25, 2021, 4:42 PM

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well, since the CLSA mod for OFP/Arma/Arma 2 was made by "ČSLA Studio", and EMSI (who is also part of the CDLC team) is the person who released it on the BI forums and on moddb, we can asume it's the same team with updated content from their previous mods.

loud apex Jan 25, 2021, 4:47 PM

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wraith sleet hello . there is talk on reddit about next cdlc being mostly content from a arma...

Since the DLC isn't available for public right now, the fact that this is mostly Arma 2 content moved into Arma 3 is just pure theory.

wraith sleet Jan 25, 2021, 4:52 PM

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loud apex Since the DLC isn't available for public right now, the fact that this is mostly...

ok thank you . i hope its not true, probably they even did not have the data to make that comparison . there was a beta yes ?

deep cragBOT Jan 25, 2021, 4:52 PM

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The correct name is Arma 3. See: https://www.bohemia.net/blog/arma-2-the-name-tale

Bohemia Interactive

ARMA 2 - The Name Tale | Blog | Bohemia Interactive

As we're quickly approaching the release of ARMA 2 , the third installment in Bohemia Interactive's award winning series of military PC simulations, it's a good time to clarify some things about the name and also explain why using Armed Assault 2 is wrong or why Arma is not a cheesy weird name as some English-centric souls may believe!

ebon sedge Jan 25, 2021, 4:52 PM

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loud apex Since the DLC isn't available for public right now, the fact that this is mostly...

^

wraith sleet Jan 25, 2021, 4:53 PM

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yes ARMA 2

sage oxide Jan 25, 2021, 8:25 PM

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There's plenty wrong in those discussions. How else could it be when judging only by looking at screenshots.

wraith sleet Jan 25, 2021, 9:57 PM

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you can confirm that there is only new things ? and nothing from the arma 2 yes ? it would not be so good if its the same again

lean sail Jan 25, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Why would it be bad?
Not to mention that the rules for a CDLC are extremely strict regarding quality. So even when it's the "same" content, they will be at BI quality and not like the avarage A2 port mod

wraith sleet Jan 25, 2021, 10:00 PM

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yes that is what it should be I agree . but there are many saying it is the same as the mod and also even comparison pictures . i cannot find them so i hope to find a good answer from the developer . they would not lie about this

lean sail Jan 25, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Yeah... Welcome to Reddit where everyone is an expert and has access to non-released stuff 🤷‍♂️

wraith sleet Jan 25, 2021, 10:06 PM

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but why would it be said then ?

lean sail Jan 25, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Why are people saying the Earth is flat?

loud apex Jan 25, 2021, 10:08 PM

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lmao

wraith sleet Jan 25, 2021, 10:08 PM

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they say the developer is not telling truth . so I am asking the developer if it is true or not to make it simple

lean sail Jan 25, 2021, 10:09 PM

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Or just wait till they're allowed to say anything, release their content and see for yourself

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Because afaik are BI and the CDLC team(s) not saying anything... So no idea how they can lie about it

wraith sleet Jan 25, 2021, 10:11 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/ixqyxx/csla_cdlc_arma_2_recycle/

this here is where people are worried and say the problem . it looks like ARMA 2 to me but is it ? it is from official pictures on steam .

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the original developer can just say yes or no here and all will be clear 🙂

lean sail Jan 25, 2021, 10:14 PM

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So? What is bad about it?
All I see are similar models with higher quality textures.

karmic harness Jan 25, 2021, 10:15 PM

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But they won't do that as AFAIR none of the CDLC makers (either GM or "someone" who openly admitted they are working on an upcoming CDLC) have ever said what would and what would not be in their CDLC, prior to launch.

So, realistically speaking, don't expect any answer to your question

lean sail Jan 25, 2021, 10:15 PM

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In the end; the devs won't say anything, because they're not allowed to.

karmic harness Jan 25, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Exactly

red saddle Jan 25, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Yes they're not allowed to talk about actual contents, not allowed to make any promises either

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because all you get from promises is either they work out and noone says anything.
Or they don't work out and you get an angry mob

wraith sleet Jan 25, 2021, 10:20 PM

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ok thank you to everyone . I think it is also not true because it is impossible to for it to be ARMA 2 content as that would not be right to ask money or even be allowed. correct ? thanks again ! 🙂

karmic harness Jan 25, 2021, 10:22 PM

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correct ?
No. All we said was that we don't know, and we can just make educated guesses, nothing more than guesses.
And those who actually know are not allowed to tell you.
@wraith sleet

ebon sedge Jan 25, 2021, 10:30 PM

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or even be allowed. correct ?
I dont see why they wouldnt be allowed to charge money for arma 2 content

devout turtle Jan 25, 2021, 11:44 PM

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ditto

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if any CDLC is making a terrain it is likely they would re-use old but relevant assets if they fit in their terrain.

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as making completely new trees, buildings, roadsigns etc for a complete terrain would be very expensive and time consuming, economically and practically beyond the reach of a moderate-sized studio with full-time guys, let alone a small group of community addon makers who are stepping up to make a DLC.

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so long as the core is new, some supporting content from the previous/ base game would be expected and acceptable in CDLCs

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Even Bohemia uplifts assets from one game edition or dlc to another

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there's nothing wrong with that

sage oxide Jan 26, 2021, 4:41 AM

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That ^

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Also, many people forget that we've worked on previous installments of the series as externists and some of the rumored and upgraded stuff might not exactly be Bohemias original work...
Completely scratching a fine model that is tweaked, working and up to scale when you only need to add details is nonsense.

ebon sedge Jan 26, 2021, 7:04 AM

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devout turtle Even Bohemia uplifts assets from one game edition or dlc to another

an example of that being arma 2(/dayz iirc?) buildings on livonia

tepid lance Jan 26, 2021, 7:31 AM

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| as making completely new trees, buildings, roadsigns etc for a complete terrain would be very expensive and time consuming, economically and practically beyond the reach of a moderate-sized studio with full-time guys, let alone a small group of community addon makers who are stepping up to make a DLC.
Well it's not unheard of. 😄

lean sail Jan 26, 2021, 8:33 AM

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Other than the time, efforts and resources it takes to make a "simple" model (2-3 weeks), or a full out terrain (2-3 year), keep in mind that even the biggest AAA studios are reusing assets all over if not sharing them between IP's...
Like any EA title on the Frostbite engine uses the same asset pool, so why would a small CDLC team suddenly needs to reinvent the wheel and "work" for their money 🤦‍♂️
And I would even dare to say that CDLC's are bound to higher standards than the average AAA title coming out nowadays... Even, or should I say especially, when it's on top of an old engine...

tepid lance Jan 26, 2021, 8:48 AM

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GM did get a big bad roast initially for allegedly being A2 assets, which proved a false claim very quickly. The damage was however done and those claims still linger and affect the perception about what content was actually delivered. I don't think it's entirely wise to just dismiss those concerns.

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Especially with the pervasive "But mods bring this content as well". If there are mods out there that literally bring the same assets (i.e same source model), then it'll become an issue to justify the product IMO.

lean sail Jan 26, 2021, 8:56 AM

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Most popular mods on the Workshop are also updated/upgraded Arma/Arma 2 assets (CUP, RHS, a bunch of terrains), with new content added over the years.
So I, personally, don't see the issue when a CDLC does the same; it's still unique to Arma 3 and at a higher standard than the average mod.

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But I know that not all people think the same as I do, which is why point at other games/studios who have been doing it for years and actually sell it as "new" every time without anyone complaining...

tepid lance Jan 26, 2021, 9:01 AM

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The Men of War series, and Wargame forward-ported their content library, but it was always combined with a substantial engine and gameplay update.

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And when they didn't update the gameplay/engine and just added new content (MoW Cold War f.ex) it was not very well received.

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There's probably a big similarity here with CUP and RHS, since they brought the previous iteration's content plus then extra additions to the new engine platform.

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I assume CSLA CDLC aims to do the same.

muted narwhal Jan 26, 2021, 9:42 AM

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@lean sail you are sort of comparing a hobby project with a commercial project, which isn't quite the same

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in short, people do expect new content (not just assets btw) for the money they spend

solid slate Jan 26, 2021, 9:43 AM

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Some thing can be accepted inside a Mod, which are deemed to raise hell in a commercial one.

muted narwhal Jan 26, 2021, 9:43 AM

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that ^

solid slate Jan 26, 2021, 9:43 AM

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(e.g. Script Errors, faulty/shitty textures, etc)

muted narwhal Jan 26, 2021, 9:45 AM

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i personally would rather have assets that are new, even if lower in terms of quantity, over ported content, even with improvements. yes, some of the content in RHS for instance are from A2, but tbh a lot of that created a lot of headaches when trying to improve. I wouldn't do it the same way again, i would make that stuff from scratch these days

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i am not saying BI doesn't allow it, and it also depends on how that content has been improved upon, obviously

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example - structures and houses - these aren't the most complicated things to do, and they are surely easier to do if you already have a data pack of textures for quite a few of these that you can share across multiple assets

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anyways, generally speaking, GM did it the right way. i am not saying that doing it differently is wrong or anything, even using existing seamless textures from A3 would work just fine for me.

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and yes, for instance malden does uses a lot of stratis/altis assets, with modifications, which is all fine btw, because it is the same franchise yada yada

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to be honest, i do feel it's a bit weird that stuff like custom structures and houses are not a proper modding subject for instance. It is pretty beginner friendly, and can have a very significant impact over how this game is played (both gameplay and atmosphere wise)

solid slate Jan 26, 2021, 9:53 AM

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"But houses are boring, you can't shoot or drive with them"

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(please do notice the quotes in the text, hopefully enough to indicate the sarcasm in it)

sage oxide Jan 26, 2021, 11:11 AM

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Creating good looking and detailed buildings that are properly configured is not so easy. When creating buildings you also have to take Arma's wonky animations and movement system. Structures' scale is often way off, not allowing for proper movement, shooting from windows from kneeled positions etc. Then there are destruction models and roadway tweaking for "AI"....

hoary ridge Jan 26, 2021, 12:19 PM

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any plans yet for adding "creator dlc compatibility data for non-owners of the DLC available via the Arma 3 Steam Workshop" to the arma 3 launcher in future?

muted narwhal Jan 26, 2021, 1:01 PM

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@sage oxide i am well aware

sage oxide Jan 26, 2021, 1:04 PM

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I expect as much. Just wanted to put the information out there.

ebon sedge Feb 11, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Btw this isnt much of a surprise, but Marek said in the interview about the tencent investment that they'll be announcing more info about CDLCs this year

Already in Arma 3, we started supporting DLC from community creators. We will announce news about these activities this year.
Source: https://www.lupa.cz/clanky/marek-spanel-bohemia-interactive-vstup-na-burzu-jsme-zavrhli-tencent-byl-nejlepsi-volba/

sinful cape Feb 11, 2021, 10:23 AM

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probably just a status update

ebon sedge Feb 11, 2021, 11:26 AM

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blobdoggoshruggoogly Dunno, props something about CSLA and I wouldnt be surprised if we get another announcement of something, iirc one of the bi posts said something about that

fringe quartz Feb 11, 2021, 3:55 PM

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Also the January recap said they "hope to publish new (cdlc) projects in 2021".

ebon sedge Feb 11, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Ye, I'd be surprised if we go a full year without a new announcement

red saddle Feb 11, 2021, 5:09 PM

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realwobcat

karmic harness Feb 11, 2021, 5:11 PM

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👆 Dedmen about to press the "Send press release" button

vivid lynx Feb 11, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Arma 3 Creator DLC: FPS Booster Unlocked 100+ Multithreaded 100% CPU Usage

sinful cape Feb 11, 2021, 5:43 PM

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creator dlc: fixed ai

red saddle Feb 11, 2021, 5:44 PM

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giveMe

steady nest Feb 11, 2021, 5:47 PM

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sinful cape creator dlc: fixed ai

Arma 4 wishlist item: More AI customization options for waypoints in the Editor?

lunar rivet Feb 11, 2021, 6:30 PM

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It might have something to do with Rob's team.

prisma mountain Feb 11, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Or GMs getting another update.

somber ice Feb 11, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Or both

karmic harness Feb 11, 2021, 6:43 PM

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steady nest *Arma 4* wishlist item: More AI customization options for waypoints in the Edito...

Arma 4 outsourced to the community and released as a CDLC

steady nest Feb 11, 2021, 6:45 PM

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karmic harness Arma 4 outsourced to the community and released as a CDLC

With Enfusion, Anything Is Possible™️

lunar rivet Feb 12, 2021, 5:55 AM

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prisma mountain Or GMs getting another update.

That too

dusky crypt Feb 14, 2021, 7:44 AM

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hi all

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I'm planning to run a multiplayer server for my friends where I zeus custom missions for them. It's based on cold war so I'm going through cold war mods in the workshop to add for my server.

Is it any worth getting the Arma 3 Creator DLC? Will I be able to add anything extra "cold-war"-esque to my mission, and if so, will everyone else need this DLC to play it too?

thanks

devout turtle Feb 14, 2021, 8:16 AM

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#global_mobilization

supple fulcrum Feb 14, 2021, 1:09 PM

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will we be able to edit the Formal uniform (own insignia) on release?

hallow parrot Feb 14, 2021, 1:11 PM

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What formal uniform you referred to?

supple fulcrum Feb 14, 2021, 1:12 PM

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the ones in the upcoming creator dlc

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from Art of War DLC

hallow parrot Feb 14, 2021, 1:13 PM

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It's not a CDLC

supple fulcrum Feb 14, 2021, 1:13 PM

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oh i thought it would release as an dlc?

hallow parrot Feb 14, 2021, 1:13 PM

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Yes? It's a DLC, not a CDLC

supple fulcrum Feb 14, 2021, 1:14 PM

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my bad

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but are you allowed edit the textures?

hallow parrot Feb 14, 2021, 1:18 PM

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Believe so. At least nobody blamed me

sinful cape Feb 14, 2021, 2:50 PM

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i blame you now!

hallow parrot Feb 14, 2021, 2:51 PM

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notlikemeowcry

prisma mountain Feb 16, 2021, 9:05 PM

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For CDLCs I know that scripting solutions have to be minimum, is there like a general guideline for it or is it just a case by case basis with BI giving the green light?

red saddle Feb 16, 2021, 9:05 PM

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what "scripting solutions" ?

prisma mountain Feb 16, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Like I know GM wasn't allowed to have their bridge tank thingy.

tepid lance Feb 16, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Allowed?

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We decided on our own that it wouldnt be rugged enough for a proper product.

prisma mountain Feb 16, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Ah

red saddle Feb 16, 2021, 9:06 PM

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I'm not aware of any rules against scripts.

prisma mountain Feb 16, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Apologize for the misinterpretation.

tepid lance Feb 16, 2021, 9:07 PM

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But also with an eye on long term maintenance we try to avoid scripted solutions where possible, and if needed, make them as simple as possible.

red saddle Feb 16, 2021, 9:07 PM

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But if I look at a CDLC and all the scripts that i see remind me of a Arma 2 life mod then I'll complain about that.

devout turtle Feb 16, 2021, 9:08 PM

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A general note was circulated to avoid scripted solutions, but well written and managed ones which serve a valuable purpose should be fine

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There are so many ways a non vanilla solution or feature can go wrong - QA will find them!

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You can put assets in a dlc that are used by a non dlc game mode which has a ton of scripts. Thats one way to handle tricky solutions and features

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Hand them off to a steam workshop item

nimble hatch Feb 26, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Just a side note (Cultural property (Art of War DLC)) - love the visual intro and especially the radio chatter 1) sound fx (e.g the fuzz), 2) script and 3) acting in cultural property - 💯 dope work BIS

sinful cape Feb 26, 2021, 3:12 PM

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not cdlc though

small saddle Mar 7, 2021, 12:43 AM

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So with the Content creator DLC will this range from free to paid DLC? for arma 3 or no?

hallow parrot Mar 7, 2021, 12:45 AM

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IDK about price since we only had one, but it's pretty sure only for A3, since the pitch is only revealed for A3

small saddle Mar 7, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Ah ok thanks :D. Yea, I was looking at the steam page.

ebon sedge Mar 7, 2021, 12:47 AM

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small saddle Ah ok thanks :D. Yea, I was looking at the steam page.

As far as I know currently the CDLC program is only a thing for Arma 3 and no other BI projects, in terms of price I havent heard of free cdlcs yet so I'd assume that its all paid

small saddle Mar 7, 2021, 12:48 AM

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Ah that makes sense. thanks 😄

hallow parrot Mar 7, 2021, 12:50 AM

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Also, maybe we can send our content or something BI so will make it to an official content just like A2ACR and A3Jets. IDK how they did the thing, though

karmic harness Mar 7, 2021, 12:57 AM

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Well, since it's been said that BI will split their profits 50/50 with the CDLC makers, it will be hard to split a $0 bill 😉

small saddle Mar 7, 2021, 12:59 AM

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Very true haha!

ebon sedge Mar 7, 2021, 1:17 AM

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karmic harness Well, since it's been said that BI will split their profits 50/50 with the CDLC ...

Is it 50/50? cant remember the figures

karmic harness Mar 7, 2021, 1:18 AM

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50/50 after valve's cut

devout turtle Mar 7, 2021, 10:58 AM

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and sales tax

sinful cape Mar 7, 2021, 4:56 PM

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and your soul

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no wait, that's not it

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well, maybe a little bit

small saddle Mar 7, 2021, 5:06 PM

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LOL

karmic harness Mar 7, 2021, 5:09 PM

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sinful cape and your soul

This has to be fake news. I don't think technology to split your soul 50/50 exists today 🤔

rapid plover Mar 7, 2021, 7:20 PM

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He who must not be named managed to split his soul multiple times. But he used magic so your argument still stands.

finite cave Mar 7, 2021, 7:30 PM

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I wonder what other CDLCs lurk beneath the surface

cedar flicker Mar 8, 2021, 12:02 AM

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honestly these two CDLCs have added so many assets that can be used in mods, its almost pointless to make a DLC set post-1945 lmfao.

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I see it being East Asia-themed or Middle East if there is going to be another one.

ebon sedge Mar 8, 2021, 12:05 AM

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Eh I think cold war cdlcs can work quite well as long as they focus on new and little known things

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I mean for example before CSLA I dont think I had ever seen that thing before #csla_iron_curtain message

lime eagle Mar 8, 2021, 1:06 AM

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ebon sedge I mean for example before CSLA I dont think I had ever seen that thing before ht...

That thing is indeed daft

finite cave Mar 8, 2021, 8:18 AM

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That thing is in GM too

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On the account of it being a joint Polish-Czechoslovak project

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Poland being in GM, and CSLA being in... CSLA 😄

tepid lance Mar 8, 2021, 8:37 AM

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here in the background on one of the latest screens for the current 1.3 RC: But it's been around since 1.1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evt05j7XMAAqlBQ.jpg:large

ebon sedge Mar 8, 2021, 8:43 AM

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I like that guy with the launcher on the right who's about to do some back-blasting

tepid lance Mar 8, 2021, 8:44 AM

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Ha yes, there's actually a hut right next to it so story-wise he'd of course go around the corner first and make sure he doesn't roast the other 5 behind him.

ebon sedge Mar 8, 2021, 8:45 AM

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Ah, that makes sense

tepid lance Mar 8, 2021, 8:46 AM

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Also the DHSKM is probably doing something very unhealthy to the driver. 😄

ebon sedge Mar 8, 2021, 8:51 AM

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I mean his ears definetly wont be happy heh_r

ripe trail Mar 8, 2021, 10:12 AM

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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

devout turtle Mar 11, 2021, 5:30 PM

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I cannot imagine having my head that close to an auto 50 cal - ouch

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Mind you ive heard about guys in nam calling in 500lb bombs onto their own position as they were overrun, they survived but lost a lot of capabilities - i imagine their eardrums were burst

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You can heal an eardrum but something that loud would surely cause permanent effects like tinnitus and partial hearing loss

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Ive been flash-banged but that aint in the same category.

tired moth Mar 13, 2021, 12:15 AM

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Well it’s just a really big flash bang

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With spicy metal

knotty ore Mar 13, 2021, 1:38 PM

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@wraith sleet there is no need to promote your message on other channels.

wraith sleet Mar 13, 2021, 1:38 PM

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that was my bad

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i was just looking for it

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i didnt know it was on the very top

trail rampart Mar 24, 2021, 12:32 PM

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Nothing wrong with having a .50 shooting next to you.. mmmm nice sound

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Still soesnt beat the nice sound of a cg

acoustic bolt Mar 26, 2021, 3:57 PM

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My only issue with the new DLC is most of it was available via mods anyway

stable raft Mar 26, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Which?GM?

tepid lance Mar 26, 2021, 4:46 PM

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If GM, then I'm curious to see those mods that add most of what GM brings. 🙂

stable raft Mar 26, 2021, 4:46 PM

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^

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No G36 is as good as GM's

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Same with Tank's

lunar rivet Mar 26, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Are you referring to the GM team's earlier mod for Arma 3? All they had on it were a few trucks. They have far more content than just that in their GM dlc.

ebon sedge Mar 26, 2021, 6:00 PM

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^ @acoustic bolt Please do link us to those mods, I'd love to take a look at them

acoustic bolt Mar 26, 2021, 6:00 PM

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Im pretty sure its the CUP line of mods

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its not identical but a fair amount of content is from cup to what i undetstand

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=541888371 @ebon sedge I believe these mods have German things like the G36, Leopard 2A6 and some IFVs along with a lot of other content

ebon sedge Mar 26, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Yeah I know what cup is, it doesnt have the same stuff as GM though

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especially not in the same quality

acoustic bolt Mar 26, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Yeah but im sure there are other mods out there aswell

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I havent looked to much into GM but i agree the quality is better

ebon sedge Mar 26, 2021, 6:13 PM

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acoustic bolt Yeah but im sure there are other mods out there aswell

My only issue with the new DLC is most of it was available via mods anyway
Soo what you said earlier is unproven/not true?

acoustic bolt Mar 26, 2021, 6:14 PM

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I did say most not all of it

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there still is alot of content in this DLC which i havent seen in mods

ebon sedge Mar 26, 2021, 6:18 PM

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acoustic bolt I did say most not all of it

I still dont see most of it in mods tho

acoustic bolt Mar 26, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Yeah

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I re watched the trailer for GM and their is alot of new content

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so i was wrong for the most part

random crane Mar 26, 2021, 8:30 PM

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i think the overlap between cup and gm is next to 0

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g36 and the uaz are the only things that come to mind

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you can probably guess which one has the newer high quality models between the two

olive vortex Mar 26, 2021, 8:36 PM

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But pAiD m0dS /s

somber ice Mar 26, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Flashbacks notlikemeowcry

cerulean remnant Mar 26, 2021, 10:59 PM

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random crane i think the overlap between cup and gm is next to 0

M113, CH-53, T-55, BMP-1, Ural, Shilka, M16, RPG-7, the list goes on... not that it matters. You both do great work!

random crane Mar 26, 2021, 11:05 PM

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many of those are different versions i think

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only exception being the shilka and t55a now that you mention it

cerulean remnant Mar 26, 2021, 11:07 PM

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in my eyes an M113 is an M113 unless you put a new gun on it 😄

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although I guess even then I'm not sure they overlap

finite cave Mar 26, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Cup has M113A3

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GM has M113-nothing

tepid lance Mar 26, 2021, 11:29 PM

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M113A1G and M113A1DK, which differ noticably from each other and the other M113s out there.

random crane Mar 26, 2021, 11:30 PM

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i only remember there's one with the rh202 autocannon that goes BRRRRRRRAPPPPP and likely will kill you 🙃

tepid lance Mar 26, 2021, 11:31 PM

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CH-53G (Sea Stallion) in GM is a significantly different variant from the CH-53E (Super Stallion)

random crane Mar 26, 2021, 11:31 PM

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guessing the danish one

tepid lance Mar 26, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Yes, its an M113 with a 25mm autocannon.

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M113A2DK, so external fuel tanks and overall a lot more modern than the other M113s we have.

steady nest Mar 27, 2021, 12:35 AM

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GM goes far more into detail with M113s than vanilla ever did (as far back as CWA) -- only the M2, Ambulance, and in CWA/A1 the 'M113 Vulcan'/M163 VADS

sonic heath Mar 27, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Yeah sure you could supplement some of the GM content with other mods but you get what you pay for. The quality and functionality of GM assets is far beyond that of CUP.

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So comparing them is like a Cessna is the same as an F22 because it flies

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The cdlc has to also apply to BI’s strict quality standards

finite cave Mar 27, 2021, 9:02 AM

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steady nest GM goes *far* more into detail with M113s than vanilla ever did (as far back as ...

Im not really surprised GM goes into more M113 detail in 2020 than a garage dev team in 2000 😄

zinc nova Mar 27, 2021, 11:26 AM

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acoustic bolt My only issue with the new DLC is most of it was available via mods anyway

yeah maybe checking before you make statements is a good idea 😄

steady nest Mar 27, 2021, 2:38 PM

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finite cave Im not really surprised GM goes into more M113 detail in 2020 than a garage dev ...

Turns out that it exceeds even RHS, whose selection isn't that much more varied than vanilla CWA-to-OA either (for starters, no M163 VADS at all)

steady gale Mar 27, 2021, 3:09 PM

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I'm pretty sure the RHS one is also a reskinned version of the arma 2 model with some mesh changes

bright eagle Mar 27, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Personally, I'd like to see some CDLC that isn't based on the Cold War.

Vertexmact did a supreme job with Cold War Germany, and CLSA is looking great so far, but it's getting a tad bit stale in my opinion.

modern solar Mar 27, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Consequences, a dlc about the effects of global warming and climate change in the 2030's. 🙂

delicate pine Mar 27, 2021, 4:39 PM

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steady gale I'm pretty sure the RHS one is also a reskinned version of the arma 2 model with...

RHS M113 is new model with exception to interior

steady gale Mar 27, 2021, 4:39 PM

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oh okay, I saw that the textures of the interior seemed to line up so I assumed the rest was reskinned too

cedar flicker Mar 27, 2021, 7:59 PM

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i would personally love to see a 2010's era middle-eastern CDLC, that fits into the armaverse. maybe based in a country neighboring takistan

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i would really love to see some more creativity lore-wise. Having your own alternate political landscape really allows for alot of flexibility regarding faction creation, weapons, uniforms, etc.

sonic heath Mar 27, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Why don’t you try make the mod for it??

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I mean modern era is cool but it’s been a bit drawn out since A1

lunar rivet Mar 28, 2021, 12:23 AM

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bright eagle Personally, I'd like to see some CDLC that isn't based on the Cold War. Vertexm...

I believe that there is another team working on a new expansion of the Vanilla game.

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Rob's team

cerulean remnant Mar 28, 2021, 12:58 AM

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Why do you think it's an expansion of the vanilla game?

ebon sedge Mar 28, 2021, 1:17 AM

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^ if anything its a cdlc and not expansion

hallow parrot Mar 28, 2021, 1:22 AM

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Because of he's the lead of B01 which made Jets? I don't think it will become a vanilla expansion or DLC though

cerulean remnant Mar 28, 2021, 1:35 AM

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Oh I didn't even know he was the leader of B01

sonic heath Mar 28, 2021, 3:57 AM

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Why does it mean it’s vanilla though

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Might be ww2 or current

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I mean @hallow parrot he did say it was a cdlc not expansion on the bi forums

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Honestly could be unsung moving to cdlc as he is the project lead

normal light Mar 28, 2021, 11:26 AM

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A WW2 CDLC would be cool as hell.

hallow parrot Mar 28, 2021, 11:29 AM

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No. Hell is warm, more like hot

sonic heath Mar 28, 2021, 11:40 AM

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I mean if you want to do ww2 why not just do korea

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Mix of modern aircraft and ww2 weapons

hallow parrot Mar 28, 2021, 11:42 AM

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Yeah, Korean War sounds really dope for me, since it's not really saturated in every games and films

prisma minnow Mar 28, 2021, 11:42 AM

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Faces of War + countless WW2 mods on the Workshop would just add more fuel to the fire that "CDLCs are paid mods!"

lime eagle Mar 28, 2021, 2:18 PM

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but there are only a select few "good" ww2 mods out there

bright eagle Mar 28, 2021, 2:47 PM

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@lunar rivet I hope your right dude.

prisma minnow Mar 28, 2021, 3:51 PM

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lime eagle but there are only a select few "good" ww2 mods out there

No mods have what GM has (and to a lesser extent CSLA). That doesn't apply to WW2 stuff which have everything you need for free already.

lunar rivet Mar 29, 2021, 4:46 PM

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cerulean remnant Why do you think it's an expansion of the vanilla game?

I said it could be an expansion of the vanilla game since he posted an image of the pylon of the B01 jet a while back as an example or hint as to what his team was working on. His team is definitely working on a cdlc but I feel that it would also include new ordinance for jets in vanilla.

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Sorry about the delayed response. I had no idea y'all even responded to my message. Not even Discount Jesus's @ message. I think my phone was off when he at me.

bright eagle Mar 29, 2021, 11:59 PM

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@lunar rivet Would you happen to have a link for that image?

hallow parrot Mar 30, 2021, 12:24 AM

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I never think and considered they'll add something to vanilla. In fact GM even tried/asked BI to add their German voice protocols to the base game but they refused

lunar rivet Mar 30, 2021, 2:45 AM

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@bright eagle I'll check in a bit. At POLPOX: I wasn't aware of that fact. Hmm.. then them showing the pylon might have just meant that they intend on having air assets. blobdoggoshruggoogly

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@bright eagle Here are the links

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#creators_recruiting message
#creators_recruiting message
#creators_recruiting message

sonic heath Mar 30, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Those are the screenshots from jets....

hallow parrot Mar 30, 2021, 4:54 AM

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Why you could consider those shots as actual CDLC shots...?

lunar rivet Mar 30, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Hm... I did some checking and my assumption that it would be for vanilla is totally incorrect. How the heck did I miss that ... oh right.. I was coming out my depression.. everything was a mess then. Omg, my bad guys! 😅

bright eagle Mar 30, 2021, 10:44 AM

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@lunar rivet Yeah, it doesn't mean that their CDLC will be Vanilla focused (it might be, you never know) but thanks anyway 🙂

wraith sleet Mar 30, 2021, 10:53 AM

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i would like more stuff in the vanilla setting 🙂 like CSAT is missing a Bobcat equivalent for example

cedar flicker Mar 30, 2021, 6:11 PM

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i would be cool to get a csat faction that doesn't have those ridiculous suits.

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and have a bobcat variant

steady nest Mar 30, 2021, 8:37 PM

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cedar flicker i would be cool to get a csat faction that doesn't have those ridiculous suits.

According to the Armed Assault wiki (https://armedassault.fandom.com/wiki/Light_Fatigues_(CSAT))... https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/armedassault/images/7/70/Arma3-car95-03.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181006165526

steady nest Mar 30, 2021, 8:52 PM

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They're said to be reskins of the existing Officer Fatigues minus the shoulder boards and extra patches, available in the Arsenal or scripting with no DLC ownership required

steady nest Mar 30, 2021, 9:08 PM

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wraith sleet i would like more stuff in the vanilla setting 🙂 like CSAT is missing a Bobcat ...

💯👍 on wanting more vanilla assets... but is a Bobcat equivalent really worthwhile without an official towing solution? As of right now I only see the Bobcat as a minefield clearer

iron flume Mar 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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and resupply

steady nest Mar 30, 2021, 9:19 PM

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iron flume and resupply

What does the vanilla Bobcat resupply? (Rearm, refuel, repair)

cedar flicker Mar 30, 2021, 9:47 PM

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steady nest According to the *Armed Assault* wiki (https://armedassault.fandom.com/wiki/Ligh...

Oh I know about those, can't find any vanilla helmets or even DLC helmets that go good with the uniform. They also kinda low-res, like all csat uniforms.

ebon sedge Mar 30, 2021, 9:51 PM

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steady nest 💯👍 on wanting more vanilla assets... but is a Bobcat equivalent really worthwh...

I wish Bi at least added a built in way to lower/raise the plow at the front

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its doable via scripting commands but there isnt a built in way for the crew to do it

sinful cape Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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could be easily tied to the scope up/down animation thing, imo

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problem is just that the plow has no gameplay purpose

ebon sedge Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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sinful cape could be easily tied to the scope up/down animation thing, imo

Ooh yeah thats true

ebon sedge Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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sinful cape problem is just that the plow has no gameplay purpose

blobdoggoshruggoogly eh

cedar flicker Mar 30, 2021, 9:57 PM

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honestly there are plenty of things they could easily fix with a new update, especially regarding CSAT uniforms which have really obvious clipping issues with the tac vests they are given by default.

steady nest Mar 30, 2021, 10:02 PM

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sinful cape problem is just that the plow has no gameplay purpose

I could have sworn that it actually does function insofar as 'as long as it's lowered when the vehicle is moving forward, it sets off mines before they're under the main hull'

steady nest Mar 30, 2021, 10:03 PM

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cedar flicker honestly there are plenty of things they could easily fix with a new update, esp...

You say easily, I say 'depending on just who's left'

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After all, look at the channel this convo is in

prisma mountain Mar 30, 2021, 10:15 PM

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CDLC Bobcat upgrade package

cedar flicker Mar 30, 2021, 10:16 PM

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I am not sure where people are getting this idea that they are short on people? They still have nearly 90% of their staff as of 2020. CDLCs are meant to keep an 8 year old game constantly invigorated while BIS works on other projects, including their new engine.

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its silly to expect them to dedicate themselves to huge projects like total conversion DLCs and at the same time work on creating the next arma and other creative projects. But its also not too much to ask for them to do some basic touch-ups they have lazily ignored for almost a decade lmao

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i mean, it really depends on how much they really value arma 3. i think they are obviously trying to move on from it. i just think if they are expecting people to buy DLC for their game, they should also be willingly to touch it up once and a while.

lean sail Mar 30, 2021, 10:22 PM

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And yet did we get Contact as a full blown DLC and a free goodie in the form of Old Man, which basically was a pet project going crazy.
If that doesn't show dedication by the devs than I don't know...

cedar flicker Mar 30, 2021, 10:24 PM

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eh, contact wasn't as ambitious as GM. To compare the two is really stretching it lol

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i mean, contact had a lot more reused and reskinned assets than new ones

lean sail Mar 30, 2021, 10:25 PM

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There's a difference between a DLC and a CDLC

cedar flicker Mar 30, 2021, 10:25 PM

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yeah, clearly BIS holds community creators to a higher standard than the one they set for themselves lmfao

ebon sedge Mar 30, 2021, 10:27 PM

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I am not sure where people are getting this idea that they are short on people?
Arma 3 is eol and afaik being worked on only by a relatively small live-ops team, which I'd guess consists of something like a dozen people, with those then getting support by other departments for stuff like localisation/legal/it/...

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But thats just a rough guess by me, not concrete info

lean sail Mar 30, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Well, BI could continue working on Arma 3 no problem, but at the same time are people complaining that there's no next game... And now people complain that they get high quality content, just not from BI directly? meowhuh

cedar flicker Mar 30, 2021, 10:29 PM

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lean sail Well, BI could continue working on Arma 3 no problem, but at the same time are p...

who are you even referring to? I know I'm not complaining about CDLCs or Arma 4. Just an observation about a double-standard. Not saying its bad, just that it clearly exists. The only thing I might be complaining about is the CSAT uniforms. That def irks me.

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not tryin to come off as cross btw

prisma mountain Mar 30, 2021, 11:06 PM

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When you make creative decisions for a game that potentially has millions of players. You have to balance your resources in given time. If there is no artist on the live-ops team, that would mean to get something fixed like CSAT uniforms. Means e-mailing bob in the art department who might be piled on with deadlines and a workflow completely different from A3. Then ask them to stop all that and come back to fix a asset that he might not even worked on.

CDLC is frankly a great idea because it allows high quality content to continue to support the platform. Which in turn goes into the small live-ops team so they can fix bugs that people just didn't have time to crunch. It also means we will continue to get more cool high quality assets, such as GM's constant updates.

cedar flicker Mar 30, 2021, 11:24 PM

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Oh i totally understand why those bugs exist. I mean, BIS aren't modders. They had to make the game itself. Clearly, man-hours and employment is limited. Not everything can be done to perfection before release. 8 years, however, is plenty of time to fix something as small as clipping. I'm sorry but theres no way to justify sitting on something so obvious yet small for nearly a decade and not fixing it. Regardless of responsibilities shifting between members. I mean, a quick fix for it would have been retexturing the raven vest and changing the CSAT loadouts accordingly. I agree with your thoughts on the CDLC, its a fantastic idea. Never spoke against it, despite the other users interpretation of my comment. (i think my comment, not sure who was being referred to). It is undeniable though, that BIS (and the community in general) holds content creators to higher standards than BIS has set for themselves. Is that wrong and unprofessional? Idk. Maybe. Idc, not my place to say.

prisma mountain Mar 30, 2021, 11:28 PM

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I think it's safe to assume so, because a modder is not a developer and that is were the stock of people are coming from.

karmic harness Mar 30, 2021, 11:36 PM

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8 years, however, is plenty of time to fix something as small as clipping
And yet this is what the current state clearly is (I mean: it's not fixed because every employee was always assigned to something else).
Take a look at #dev_rc_branch or #perf_prof_branch: Dedmen and KK are now working like crazy and fixing or improving stuff that everyone got so used to over the years that they don't even realize they are constantly working around a problem anymore, that is until these two guys announce "I fixed it!" in the changelog.

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See this and the message he's responding to: #perf_prof_branch message

wraith sleet Mar 31, 2021, 12:14 PM

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I think Arma 2 continued with the same sorts of bugs not getting fixed, but what they didn't do was introduce a load of bugs along the way to make DLC function. What irks me about the development process BI went through is I can point at DLC and say "this is when this aspect of the AI was broken to balance that DLC, because the routines didn't work for that DLC so they just broke it differently". It is nice to see bugs getting fixed but this development is also skipping around the problems caused in the AI so its not directly fixing the problem I had with some of the changes made due to the DLC strategy.

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Positive on the things getting fixed but meh on the fact no one will correct the wrongs done to the AI routines that just made it worse.

random crane Mar 31, 2021, 12:15 PM

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cant say i've noticed the AI getting any worse since game launch, do you have any example?

tepid lance Mar 31, 2021, 12:20 PM

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I had to adjust a mission for 2.02 since AI stopped walking through a village that it did fine before.

random crane Mar 31, 2021, 12:32 PM

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🤔

red saddle Mar 31, 2021, 12:39 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/99-cat-error-fail-bug-cat-gif-15538369

Tenor

sinful cape Mar 31, 2021, 12:59 PM

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tepid lance I had to adjust a mission for 2.02 since AI stopped walking through a village th...

what did you change? just different waypoint?

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my worst experience was the changes with tanks dlc. tracked vehicles behaved completely different, which broke many of my missions.

wraith sleet Mar 31, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Ai walking through doors, walls and rocks. Failures to path causing ai not to move especially into and out of buildings. Vehicles destroying themselves on trees and roadside objects. Vehicles no longer able to drive in a convoy. Ai vision range substantially reduce in unaware scenarios to the point of ridiculous. At one point these scenarios worked.

sinful cape Mar 31, 2021, 1:20 PM

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weird, i feel like vehicle convoys work a lot better now

wraith sleet Mar 31, 2021, 1:22 PM

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They seem to be too far apart and don't care about their link, then one crashes on a roadside object and most get stuck. 9 times out of 10 convoys utterly fail to survive start let alone get around a corner.

sinful cape Mar 31, 2021, 1:29 PM

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there's script commands to define range

random crane Mar 31, 2021, 1:34 PM

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wraith sleet Ai walking through doors, walls and rocks. Failures to path causing ai not to mo...

i feel like all this stuff has been happening since the get go, ai walking through stuff has always been a thing as far as i can remember

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i think my community has been running a script for AI to self-repair immobilized vehicles since like 2016 or earlier for the crashes specifically

karmic harness Mar 31, 2021, 1:40 PM

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then one crashes on a roadside object and most get stuck
What's more annoying is if that object is a huge rock and AI decides to dismount into it 🤦‍♂️
Thankfully, there is also a nice feature that lets you also glitch into rocks yourself in order to kill the AI so I guess that's OK 😉

young prairie Apr 1, 2021, 5:40 AM

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Just a question about CDLC I have a purchased version of GM, but I'm not sure if I will have money during the release of CSLA. If after the release I subscribe to the "Compatibility data for non-owners" I will still be able to view the content from the CDLC in the editor, but I will not be able to simply use it in the game as in the case of official DLC from Bohemia?

fringe quartz Apr 1, 2021, 5:41 AM

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Yes I believe the compat data mod works the same as the official DLC things you haven't bought.

hallow parrot Apr 1, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Also won't able to use the terrain

young prairie Apr 1, 2021, 6:00 AM

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T.Hanks!

nimble hatch Apr 2, 2021, 8:42 AM

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sinful cape weird, i feel like vehicle convoys work a lot better now

yeah, they even stick to roads a fair bit better than they did

Wouldnt any fixes/improvements/additions in arma 3, be transferrable into the next franchise (Arma 4)?

sinful cape Apr 2, 2021, 8:52 AM

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not necessarily. maybe they decide to build everything from scratch, because the source became such a bloated mess :p

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wasnt that the case with the ai code? nobody really knows crap about it anymore, so nobody wants to touch it, because something else could break?

nimble hatch Apr 2, 2021, 9:19 AM

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sinful cape not necessarily. maybe they decide to build everything from scratch, because the...

Would prefer this, especially with the cdlc programme, hopefully will accrue enough funding this time to see a fully fleshed out arma 4
Would be nice to see a complete overhaul of the approach/system and the likes, to see something unrecognisably different and fresh, arma 2 and 3 had consistencies and similarities in aesthetics and ergonomics.

To be specific, i mean about overall video game production quality, certainly not turning arma into an arcade type first person shooter, no

tepid lance Apr 2, 2021, 9:22 AM

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A new engine that's not based on RV would mean a lot of technical debt erased, but with it of course also lost features. Also it could mean a big barrier for forward porting older mods. All round exciting to see unfold either way it goes.

sinful cape Apr 2, 2021, 9:35 AM

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didnt said a new engine. just rewrite of some core parts :p

steady gale Apr 2, 2021, 9:46 AM

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well it is gonna be a new engine, that's already long known

sinful cape Apr 2, 2021, 10:19 AM

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isnt it also just a rewrite

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based on the a2 engine. i forgot the details, it's too long since

steady gale Apr 2, 2021, 10:22 AM

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I think it's a complete rewrite, might as well be a new engine

nimble hatch Apr 2, 2021, 10:33 AM

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steady gale I think it's a complete rewrite, might as well be a new engine

Should* be a new engine imo

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Afterall, BIS is an internationally recognised, and now getting some good repute, to make an arma 4 that is in anyway similair to arma 3 in regards to aesthetics, ergonomics, feel, etc etc is like predicting their own doom

knotty ore Apr 2, 2021, 11:24 AM

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You guys are on wrong channel.

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Also it's BI 😜

nimble hatch Apr 2, 2021, 11:52 AM

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ok, so basically, have written my own hastily-put business dev/feasibility doc on arma 4 and cdlcs and saved on a notepad, but its too long, but basically, my theory is:

ARMA 3 and CDLCS
I believe by the end of life cycle of arma 3, giving thanks to both DLC and CDLC, copies sold could top 6 million, if not more, but it will grow, with the correct pr and marketing

ARMA 4 and CDLCs
BI should not have a burn rate that expires before arma 4 (as a development project) gets completed (*thanks to dlc, and mainly cdlc), meaning there shouldnt be any excuse arma 4 is rushed, and doesnt reach curent communities expectations, and double or even triple in sales figures to around 10 million+, thats before arma 4 release DLC's/CDLCS

Point im making is CLDCs are a great thing and will release any potential crazy future pressure on BI from community to release a product early before completion (cough arma 3, bannerlord) aswell as furthering the life of arma 3, and being able to cover several time periods in one video game, which hasnt been done before, a pioneering point
(lies, warband did it with napoleonic wars, my bad)
finally, concluding point, BI, dont rush creating arma 4, and release it soon, take your sweet time, but dont get comfortable, give the CLDC guys time to shine and help you grow as a consequence 😄

Not sure if this one is for the #offtopic_arma , mate

knotty ore Apr 2, 2021, 11:54 AM

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continues on #offtopic_arma

random crane Apr 2, 2021, 3:07 PM

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sounds like someone is really desperate to get into the cdlc program 🤔

nimble hatch Apr 3, 2021, 1:27 PM

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random crane sounds like someone is really desperate to get into the cdlc program 🤔

first mistake youve made is make a presumption, (* When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.”), second mistake you made was showing that you havent forgot the past, and are hurt (your ego, bad recipe), fourth mistake youve made is keeping your negative thoughts cycling in your head, fifth mistake youve made is thinking im going to bite back, what is achieved from biting back? a tit for tat and wasted time on an unproductive activity? this situation is best left here, no bad blood.

karmic harness Apr 3, 2021, 1:29 PM

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...so you don't want to apply? 😦
😉

nimble hatch Apr 3, 2021, 1:29 PM

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karmic harness ...so you don't want to apply? 😦 😉

who says im working on a CDLC? im just a fan 😄 an observer

karmic harness Apr 3, 2021, 1:30 PM

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...so you don't want to apply to join a CDLC team? 😦

random crane Apr 3, 2021, 1:31 PM

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im sure all the ads in #creators_recruiting were unrelated lol

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all 'motivational' talk and nothing to show for

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recipe for disaster

karmic harness Apr 3, 2021, 1:34 PM

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Yeah, sorry, not reading these, so I missed the joke ;).
I'm already recruited in all places I would want to be recruited in, so I have no need to look for more "personal development opportunities" 😉

random crane Apr 3, 2021, 1:35 PM

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haha

nimble hatch Apr 3, 2021, 1:42 PM

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@karmic harness please explain to everyone your poor joke, and, maybe chairborne can help you out by getting the pedestal for you to sit in, while we all eat popcorn and wait

random crane Apr 3, 2021, 1:43 PM

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what a joker 😂

karmic harness Apr 3, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Wait what? I missed YOUR joke 🤨
...unless you were not joking. So complicated... 😩

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nimble hatch Apr 3, 2021, 1:49 PM

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karmic harness <insert spiderman clone meme>

whether i was joking or not, it matters not, what matters is that we are all here to celebrate the fact that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQL5vJ6sWx8

sonic heath Apr 3, 2021, 2:40 PM

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random crane what a joker 😂

“What a joker” https://youtu.be/UBCORUNqPu8

ebon sedge Apr 3, 2021, 2:43 PM

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sonic heath “What a joker” https://youtu.be/UBCORUNqPu8

cough #rules

sonic heath Apr 3, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Not going to try argue but I see that is acceptable within the rules

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If not I can remove

ebon sedge Apr 3, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Well I mean the link without description part

sonic heath Apr 3, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Oh yes

sonic heath Apr 3, 2021, 2:47 PM

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ebon sedge Well I mean the link without description part

Fixed

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Also feel like whether jokes or not that this thread is moving into an offtopic thread which doesn’t really relate to arma

knotty ore Apr 3, 2021, 2:49 PM

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already was directed there #creator_dlc_discussion message

sonic heath Apr 3, 2021, 2:50 PM

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knotty ore already was directed there https://discord.com/channels/105462288051380224/56808...

Champion

knotty ore Apr 3, 2021, 2:50 PM

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well didnt really work 😅

sonic heath Apr 3, 2021, 3:06 PM

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Definitely not but worth a try!

devout turtle Apr 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

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Well i cant get that 10 mins of my life back... catching up on the thread, saw a few errors:

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I was not leader of Jets DLC that was Saul and John Spartan. I was encoder on planes, static and ships. In later part I was asked to help out as producer and did that for almost a year.

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Arma 3 has sold afaik 6.5m copies, including 1.5m in past year or so. So it’s actually very popular still, and new CDLCs could really uplift new sales on top.

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When I advertised for artists in this discord over the past few years I showed nodunits work he did with me on Jets dlc and some of john and sauls work. This is because nodunit is lead artist on our CDLC, and some of jets dlc team who wanted to, helped form our CDLC team. Our quality bar was set at that level and we were looking for those rare individuals who could meet it.

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At no point have I ever posted here anything that says what our dlc theme is.

ebon sedge Apr 4, 2021, 10:54 PM

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including 1.5m in past year or so.
roughly 1.2m base game copies and 2.2m dlc copies https://www.bohemia.net/assets/articles/img/thumbs/bohemia-interactive-in-2020-infographics.jpg

devout turtle Apr 4, 2021, 10:55 PM

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That is a mystery you will enjoy unravelling at the appropriate time

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A there we go thanks, i knew it was more than 1m

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Personally im fascinated that arma 3 appeals to 1.2m people in past year, without much evidence of a Life or zombie or tournament based stampede like weve seen in the past. I think people who played squad and other games found they could get a shed-load more game for only $9 on sale days and so they joined the armaverse. I hope they buy our community made DLCs

ebon sedge Apr 4, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Yeah I'm quite surprised that the sales are still 1.2m strong, I mean I was pretty sure that sales were still fine but I just wasmt exüecting 1.2m

devout turtle Apr 4, 2021, 11:00 PM

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We all have to thank RHS and CUP especially for creating that modern conflict content that draws people to the game so long after it was released

random crane Apr 4, 2021, 11:01 PM

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i thought the game was on a slow decline into oblivion but it seems the playerbase has stabilized to 25k-30k monthly players https://steamcharts.com/app/107410#All

Arma 3 - Steam Charts

devout turtle Apr 4, 2021, 11:02 PM

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CUP especially is a huge undertaking, and one of the top mods on steam with 1m subs for some parts

random crane Apr 4, 2021, 11:02 PM

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https://steamcharts.com/cmp/107410,393380 squad doesnt even get close to a3 numbers

Comparison - Steam Charts

An ongoing analysis of Steam's player numbers, seeing what's been played the most.

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we're way past 1mln on all our mods actually 🙂

devout turtle Apr 4, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Additionally the game modes like BR, KOTH, exile and epoch also drive the player base

random crane Apr 4, 2021, 11:03 PM

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same for rhs

devout turtle Apr 4, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Oh really thats cool i thought rhs had about 400k these days

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I have numbers in my head that are not really up to date

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A few more solid CDLCs could bring in another half million players potentially, depending on their appeal

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Arma is a buy once play forever game, and that generosity has such huge appeal to me

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And to many people

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Games that you sink 5000+ hours into and pay maybe 200 bucks for all their dlcs, well thats $1 for 25 hours of premium quality gaming

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Compare to all the rivals and Arma cant be beaten on so many levels

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All these other ww2 and modern games coming out dont have much in the way of AI or combined arms or large terrains or simulated ballistics and definitely dont have the coop vs AI teamwork capabilities and variation of theater/ game mode / terrain that arma has. Its unparalleled

round rock Apr 4, 2021, 11:11 PM

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devout turtle Games that you sink 5000+ hours into and pay maybe 200 bucks for all their dlcs,...

It's much more profitable than a movie lol

devout turtle Apr 4, 2021, 11:12 PM

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These other games have better fps and nicer graphics, but that isnt so important compared to the simulation experience arma delivers

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Its unique

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I used to mod call of duty and play in the most popular clan and server in the world... it was great and i enjoyed it a lot... but then i tried arma 1... and never looked back.

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My photobucket back then shows cod maps and mod progress then it abruptly becomes littlebirds on sahrani...

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It’s gonna be an interesting year in Arma history. Im certainly going to be playing a lot of Arma...

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Its a cool community to be part of too.

steady nest Apr 5, 2021, 1:13 AM

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devout turtle All these other ww2 and modern games coming out dont have much in the way of AI ...

To be fair, 'critical enough' people may claim that A3 doesn't have much in the way of AI either (and that 'fixing AI' mods such as LAMBS shouldn't be necessary)...

ashen geyser Apr 5, 2021, 6:43 AM

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To be even fairer, other games' AI got nothing on Arma AI. We may complain about AI all the time, but I can't think of any other game where the AI does as much as in Arma. We underestimate Arma AI a lot honestly

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And yeah, Arma is a rare gem nowadays, a throwback to a past when we used to pay for games and its expansions and play for years. Today's games are more like: pay once, then pay a bunch more in micro transactions, and only play for like a year

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Plus Arma is unlike any other game out there. It's literally unique in terms of what it is and what it delivers. If I want that experience, I have no alternative.

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And ofc mods! Any game wanting to be lasting and successful, should have mod support 😁

devout turtle Apr 5, 2021, 7:24 AM

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I have a lot of hope for the future. I cannot see Arma making it to console even though dayZ and Vigor did. Its just so complex.

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Anyway making a CDLC the team is concerned with all of these questions. They are all relevant on-topic CDLC issues

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And so far i would say that CDLC is a strong bridge between mods and official content

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It gives mod teams the chance to really aim for higher quality, to hire in others from outside the traditional community, adding value and talent to “the mod community” and also levelling up the mod team in terms of professionalism and capability

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For the end user it also creates cut-price content of very high quality assets for them to enjoy

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What’s not to love?

ebon sedge Apr 5, 2021, 7:56 AM

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I cannot see Arma making it to console even though dayZ and Vigor did. Its just so complex.
I think there's also a fair argument to be made that Arma shouldnt make it onto consoles, as I wouldnt be surprised if that included a good chunk of dumbing down of the game

devout turtle Apr 5, 2021, 9:44 AM

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fully agree

pearl spade Apr 5, 2021, 10:18 AM

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ebon sedge > I cannot see Arma making it to console even though dayZ and Vigor did. Its ju...

Theoretically I think an “Arma-lite” version could be released for consoles. Simplified controls due to lack of buttons on a game pad but otherwise the core vanilla experience is there. Unfortunately I don’t think Sony or MS would accept mod support like you get for PC

hallow parrot Apr 5, 2021, 10:19 AM

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IIRC DayZ on console allows MODs?

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I never think lite Arma will be a thing other than OFP: Elite, though

ebon sedge Apr 5, 2021, 10:22 AM

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pearl spade Theoretically I think an “Arma-lite” version could be released for consoles. Sim...

Meh sounds like wasted development effort imo

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I'd rather have BI focus on the main title

random crane Apr 5, 2021, 10:26 AM

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if the hardware is powerful enough and you can plug in mouse and keyboard maybe its doable without diluting the game too much

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still probably not worth the hassle right now

void yoke Apr 5, 2021, 12:17 PM

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wouldnt mind a modding based arma
so no main content but a lot of modding support

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sounds like I just want to rip their engine

muted narwhal Apr 5, 2021, 12:34 PM

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pretty sure if it happens, a future version of arma francise will be on consoles

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from a bussines perspective, there is no reason not to tap in this market

tepid lance Apr 5, 2021, 12:38 PM

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If its multiplatform it might help reduce some basic problems like the action menu 😄

steady nest Apr 5, 2021, 3:08 PM

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ashen geyser To be even fairer, other games' AI got nothing on Arma AI. We may complain about...

Agreed, though there is the argument about doing one (or two) thing(s) very well (relative to the game's limitations... like I said before, 'tailored') versus A3 AI where the infantry AI can be patched up with mods such as bCombat/VCOM/LAMBS but afaik their vehicle behavior (most infamously driving) remains a crapshoot 🤷

steady nest Apr 5, 2021, 3:09 PM

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tepid lance If its multiplatform it might help reduce some basic problems like the action me...

We've already seen Bohemia Interactive finally use radial menus instead of the scroll menu, so there's that!

prisma minnow Apr 5, 2021, 3:10 PM

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inb4 the next game has mini scroll wheel menus for each radial option

steady nest Apr 5, 2021, 3:10 PM

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This general topic seems to be wading into #general_chat_arma...?

ebon sedge Apr 5, 2021, 3:53 PM

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tepid lance If its multiplatform it might help reduce some basic problems like the action me...

derpWolf I dont know why everyone hates the action menu ~~and at this point I'm too afraid to ask~~

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It definetly has some bad stuff like putting eject actions at the top (and explosives/mines/...), but I'd rather have an action menu like that, than some radial menu

tepid lance Apr 5, 2021, 3:57 PM

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The biggest issue I have with it is when I need to quickly pick up a specific weapon under fire, like a dropped rocket launcher or extra magazines. Having to find the correct object on the ground to get the inventory for the container I am actually interested in. Usually i end up opening the inventory of a nearby body or dropped weapon instead of the one I was intending to.

steady nest Apr 5, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Replied in #general_chat_arma... unless this is fine for the CDLC channel

ebon sedge Apr 5, 2021, 4:00 PM

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tepid lance The biggest issue I have with it is when I need to quickly pick up a specific we...

Yeah thats fair, but that seems like a problem with the way the icons are shown rather than a problem with the action menu directly

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Since there's an action for picking up weapons directy

steady nest Apr 5, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Which works as long weapons on the ground are far enough away from each other...

ebon sedge Apr 5, 2021, 4:05 PM

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Yeah, it doesnt work super well

steady nest Apr 5, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Mind you I'm not sure of a solution that doesn't require a 'game HUD' visible so that you can pick from different item in the same spot with the selection prompts being visually distinct from each other... and pointing to the specific item

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Which is no help for anyone who wants to play no-HUD

red saddle Apr 5, 2021, 4:51 PM

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hallow parrot IIRC DayZ on console allows MODs?

no

red saddle Apr 5, 2021, 5:16 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/795600632500191243.gif?v=1

pale osprey Apr 6, 2021, 8:34 AM

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realwobcat chonkwobcat

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 9:22 AM

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Sure is quiet in here

hallow parrot Apr 6, 2021, 9:41 AM

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I hear the wobcat engine sound

random crane Apr 6, 2021, 10:25 AM

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maybe... too quiet...

red saddle Apr 6, 2021, 11:41 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/779355915333402683/804354730100523018/image0-31.gif

mild solstice Apr 6, 2021, 11:50 AM

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There's something happening here 🎵

hallow parrot Apr 6, 2021, 11:51 AM

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It's not of course

void yoke Apr 6, 2021, 11:56 AM

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think_turtle

red saddle Apr 6, 2021, 11:59 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/cheese-challenge-cat-fall-off-table-taking-atumble-cheese-on-head-gif-14154057

Tenor

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 11:59 AM

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whats that in the trees?

crude mortar Apr 6, 2021, 11:59 AM

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That’s a good one

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 12:04 PM

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heh_r

loud apex Apr 6, 2021, 12:12 PM

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👀

red saddle Apr 6, 2021, 12:27 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/uh1h-uh1iroquois-bell205-huey-gif-18356262

Tenor

lucid depot Apr 6, 2021, 12:27 PM

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bongocat

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 12:30 PM

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👀

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What could that be

karmic harness Apr 6, 2021, 12:31 PM

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https://www.bonanzavalleyvoice.com/home/cms_data/dfault/photos/stories/id/4/3/943/.TEMP/s_topTEMP425x425-3330.jpeg - nothing to see here, I guess...

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:32 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-now-mud-river-head-water-gif-13265151

cold venture Apr 6, 2021, 12:35 PM

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exabit

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:36 PM

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drill_instructor

loud apex Apr 6, 2021, 12:42 PM

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😏

void yoke Apr 6, 2021, 12:44 PM

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...do I post it?

knotty ore Apr 6, 2021, 12:44 PM

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no

spring ermine Apr 6, 2021, 12:44 PM

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let people wonder

crude mortar Apr 6, 2021, 12:44 PM

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Definitely not.

red saddle Apr 6, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Not yet

somber ice Apr 6, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Oh.

karmic harness Apr 6, 2021, 12:45 PM

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...so there is a date!

mild solstice Apr 6, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Post What? A fortunate son YouTube video?

hallow parrot Apr 6, 2021, 12:46 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40JmEj0_aVM

YouTube

CCRVEVO

Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son (Official Lyric Video)

Join the official CCR email list: http://found.ee/CCR_Newsletter

#CreedenceClearwaterRevival #FortunateSon #Vevo

▶ Play video

spring ermine Apr 6, 2021, 12:46 PM

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i mean it has been on steam for a few minutes now

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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Hooooold

steady gale Apr 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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I'm just gonna say I am impressed

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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putin_holdup

jolly ingot Apr 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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oof

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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steady gale I'm just gonna say I am impressed

you saw nothing

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it was your imagination

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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Just let Bi take their time heh

feral fog Apr 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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One message removed from a suspended account.

steady gale Apr 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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alright let me rephrase, if there was something, I would be impressed

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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feral fog One message removed from a suspended account.

❤️

compact meteor Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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awesome music video btw, could fit with a game set in that timeperiod.

spring ermine Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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hahahhaa

loud apex Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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WOW

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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👀

somber ice Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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LUL

void yoke Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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meowsweats

karmic harness Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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Pffffff 💦 @red saddle

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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bcaBONKAngry

crystal cape Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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😂

red saddle Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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psssst

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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inf

lucid depot Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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👀

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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miller

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@red saddle

karmic harness Apr 6, 2021, 12:49 PM

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I hate you all. I have a meeting with my boss at work in 10 minutes and I don't know how long it will last 😦
Gonna miss all the fun 😦

distant quarry Apr 6, 2021, 12:51 PM

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Something happening here?

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:51 PM

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No

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nothing

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nothing at all

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Redacted

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Cease your investigations

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dunglai

cold venture Apr 6, 2021, 12:51 PM

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👻

compact meteor Apr 6, 2021, 12:51 PM

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time to rickroll people

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:52 PM

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this was just a late april fools joke

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carry on

lucid depot Apr 6, 2021, 12:52 PM

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Nothing to see here, move along

red saddle Apr 6, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Its LIVE!
https://www.sogpf.com/

MACV SOG Vietnam war DLC for Arma 3

Discover the unique new multiplayer reconnaissance game designed with Special Forces veterans.

crude mortar Apr 6, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Finally

gentle portal Apr 6, 2021, 12:53 PM

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BUJA!!

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:53 PM

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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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PRAIRIE FIRE

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beer

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x_na x_alm

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o_ho

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macv_sog

random crane Apr 6, 2021, 12:53 PM

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

spring ermine Apr 6, 2021, 12:53 PM

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only just released, not 10 minutes ago

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:53 PM

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f_arvn

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peace

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goat_in_arms

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o_Poster

lucid depot Apr 6, 2021, 12:53 PM

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giveMe

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:53 PM

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o_fist

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n_MF_late

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n_MF_early

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n_MACV

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n_ARVN_Ranger

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n_1Cav

fresh oasis Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

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HYYYPE

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

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https://twitter.com/Arma3official/status/1379416808764145667?s=20

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

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vn_sml

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

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yayautism

loud apex Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

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Gott verdammt !!!

modern solar Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

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lol

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

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~~now gib our chat now~~

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

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vn_logo

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vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo vn_logo

terse bison Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

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catvibing

hallow parrot Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM

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Now Dwarden give me CDLCPARTNER role

fresh oasis Apr 6, 2021, 12:55 PM

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beer_1

olive vortex Apr 6, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Beer_reversed

plucky magnet Apr 6, 2021, 12:55 PM

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x_na x_alm

vale stump Apr 6, 2021, 12:55 PM

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🎉

karmic harness Apr 6, 2021, 12:55 PM

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🍷

fresh oasis Apr 6, 2021, 12:55 PM

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5237_vietnamparrot

plucky magnet Apr 6, 2021, 12:56 PM

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beer Beer_reversed

somber ice Apr 6, 2021, 12:57 PM

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pepeHype

polar edge Apr 6, 2021, 12:57 PM

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😉

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:58 PM

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heey

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can i get my blue color now ? 😢

wise summit Apr 6, 2021, 12:58 PM

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GG!

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:58 PM

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5237_vietnamparrot

polar edge Apr 6, 2021, 12:58 PM

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On ya lash 👍

crystal cape Apr 6, 2021, 12:58 PM

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We made it finally 😄 🥳 💪

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 12:59 PM

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Hope everyone enjoys the screenshots/artwork , they do justice to what the DLC represents

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cheers everyone

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 12:59 PM

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Also I recommend having a look at the very cool CDLC website if you havent yet: https://www.sogpf.com/

plush quest Apr 6, 2021, 12:59 PM

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Congrats on the announcement folks, good luck with the final sprint! salute

dusk timber Apr 6, 2021, 12:59 PM

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blobcloseenjoy

pine night Apr 6, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Y'all are some of the greatest and most passionate developers I know. Great work and excited for the release! It's gonna be AWESOME!

red saddle Apr 6, 2021, 1:01 PM

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I want to pin the link to the website, but this is general CDLC channel 👀
Pls giv channel

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 1:04 PM

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I have the hugest smile on my face right now , wish everyone could see it

fresh oasis Apr 6, 2021, 1:05 PM

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Beer_reversed Congrats everyone, fantastic job - most exciting bit of 2021 easily 😄 Beer

spring ermine Apr 6, 2021, 1:05 PM

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i've been vibing to the music that the website has
hyped af

loud apex Apr 6, 2021, 1:05 PM

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The « Additional Content » section is really interesting

gentle portal Apr 6, 2021, 1:05 PM

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feral basin I have the hugest smile on my face right now , wish everyone could see it

Me to, man!

pine night Apr 6, 2021, 1:06 PM

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Whiplash you make me smile on the daily. 😁

hazy pumice Apr 6, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Fortunate Son intensifies 🙂

ember finch Apr 6, 2021, 1:07 PM

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feral basin I have the hugest smile on my face right now , wish everyone could see it

Same here, such a relief

red saddle Apr 6, 2021, 1:08 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8EmwTALJ3A

YouTube

The Shermanator

FIRST LOOK OFFICIAL ARMA 3 VIETNAM CREATOR DLC ANNOUNCED | S.O.G. P...

CDLC Info and Store: https://www.sogpf.com/ https://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/1227700/

THIS IS SO HYPE - I can FINALLY talk about this (to a degree lol) and it's so exciting. In this video we go over the general stuff in the Creator Downloadable Content (CDLC) and then I talk a bit more in detail about each thing as much as I was able...

▶ Play video

fossil gazelle Apr 6, 2021, 1:08 PM

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Radio on paint it black congratulations to everyone involved!

cold venture Apr 6, 2021, 1:09 PM

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i'd like to hop on the "everything so far looks pretty fantastic" train

loud apex Apr 6, 2021, 1:10 PM

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Is there a Discord like GM or CSLA one ?

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 1:12 PM

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Not yet

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(afaik)

normal light Apr 6, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Bruh, hold up. Is this new CDLC made from the Unsung mod group?

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 1:17 PM

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normal light Bruh, hold up. Is this new CDLC made from the Unsung mod group?

Yes

normal light Apr 6, 2021, 1:18 PM

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So...some Unsung stuff will be remodeled and brought over? Because that’s like the only mod that has a m48 patton in it....

steady gale Apr 6, 2021, 1:19 PM

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there is a list of what's in it on the website and steam page

red saddle Apr 6, 2021, 1:19 PM

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normal light So...some Unsung stuff will be remodeled and brought over? Because that’s like t...

Not permitted to share info about that

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People cannot share more than what you can see on website or in social media.
Everything else is still NDA'ed till release

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 1:21 PM

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a_this

somber ice Apr 6, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Am I the only one who can't load into the website?

lucid depot Apr 6, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Try CTRL + F5

somber ice Apr 6, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Oh, that worked, ty! LUL

normal light Apr 6, 2021, 1:24 PM

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Wait...reading the steam page, it says the map is 300km. How are they fitting Hue, Saigon, and the Cambodian border on a map just a bit bigger than altis?

red saddle Apr 6, 2021, 1:25 PM

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magic

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 1:25 PM

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normal light Wait...reading the steam page, it says the map is 300km. How are they fitting Hu...

🙂

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wait and see

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 1:26 PM

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^ or look at Sherm's video

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 1:26 PM

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^

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 1:26 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8EmwTALJ3A

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^ The video

normal light Apr 6, 2021, 1:28 PM

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Ah nuts....the m48 isn’t in the DLC, I just read the vehicle part of the steam page...

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But POG for the melee system

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 1:30 PM

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5237_vietnamparrot

normal light Apr 6, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Hold up....reading up on the Team...you guys had ICebreakr make the map? I’m fricken sold!

compact meteor Apr 6, 2021, 1:32 PM

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The entire team behind this project has been nothing short of awesome and freaking fantastic to be honest.

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 1:32 PM

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normal light Hold up....reading up on the Team...you guys had *ICebreakr* make the map? I’m f...

yes

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 1:33 PM

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compact meteor The entire team behind this project has been nothing short of awesome and freaki...

no you are ❤️

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 1:34 PM

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S.O.G. Prairie Fire adds 9 new multiplayer scenarios to Cam Lao Nam for Arma 3's official game modes Warlords, End Game, Zeus, and Escape.
Endgame is my part in that project, and I'm excited to get to see peep play the missions

vale stump Apr 6, 2021, 1:36 PM

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You did nice, Pi 🙂

loud apex Apr 6, 2021, 1:39 PM

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OMG the soundtrack

tepid lance Apr 6, 2021, 1:40 PM

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The original Vietcong game is what got me into 60s era rock and blues, and so glad to (literally) hear that they nailed it!

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 1:42 PM

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vale stump You did nice, Pi 🙂

ameowhappypaws

rigid stump Apr 6, 2021, 1:47 PM

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normal light Hold up....reading up on the Team...you guys had *ICebreakr* make the map? I’m f...

Haha, we've had several talented guys on the team as you can read ;) we all joined forces to make something amazing.

polar edge Apr 6, 2021, 1:48 PM

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And we did my good friend 😊

feral basin Apr 6, 2021, 1:51 PM

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The names on this CDLC will blow most people's minds

analog finch Apr 6, 2021, 1:51 PM

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polar edge And we did my good friend 😊

No that's wrong. You guys did amazing!👏

polar edge Apr 6, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Affectionally called the “A” team

hazy pumice Apr 6, 2021, 1:53 PM

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Prairie Fire channel when?

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 1:53 PM

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soon ™️

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I imagine

hazy pumice Apr 6, 2021, 1:53 PM

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I mean, should have been ready to go... Dedmen's asleep on the job again 😉

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 1:54 PM

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nah dedmen cant create channels

ebon sedge Apr 6, 2021, 1:54 PM

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red saddle I want to pin the link to the website, but this is general CDLC channel 👀 Pls ...

^ otherwise he would have

cerulean remnant Apr 6, 2021, 1:54 PM

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Congrats to all of you that worked on it! It looks incredible!