the-tavern

[ionic hemlock]

I know the feeling

[gaunt moss]

rude

[ionic hemlock]

yall ever just trying to chill and eat a poptart and one of your doggos is sitting inbetween your legs, tail wagging, waiting for the dog tax

[signal ocean]

I've had that happen with tuna cans

just making a salad and the sound from the aluminum tearing is met with enthusiastic meows

and all of a sudden I'm surrounded

[keen elbow]

Or when you put ur 3y daughter to sleep and sneak into kitchen and open chips bag as quietly as possible and then u hear: daddy what's that sound?

[quiet geyser]

good pizza 😄

[signal ocean]

"it's the new toothpaste bag, daughter of mine"

[ionic hemlock]

My old hunting dog doesnt have a care in the world, sleeps all day but god forbit I open a bag of bbq chips and she comes running like shes a puppy

[gaunt moss]

just tell her its spicy

[wise juniper]

theres currently not a roadmap with dates is there?

[subtle prawn]

There never will be one because dates don't do any good

[wise juniper]

yup fair

[vapid canopy]

hey @signal ocean Enshrouded is the only good early access game of late.

[prisma surge]

Would be cool if we could blueprint

[woven escarp]

Afternoon all

[native parrot]

Not afternoon yet

CUB:
-engages in polite conversation for fun
-"Hey cub, can we get 'x' in game?"
-cub suddenly has to leave

😜 nothing changes

[signal ocean]

lies

[elder parrot]

No rest for the wicked seems fine too ^^

[round totem]

im trynna own a pet or train one or something

lmao

[woven escarp]

Heard that’s like dark souls

[signal ocean]

also Manor Lords looks really cool if you liked Banished

[brittle iron]

I suck at Banished but my god was that a fun game

[keen elbow]

Manor lord seems bit too early. Gona wait first update.
Tho it gives a bit stronghold vibes

[elder parrot]

Im not good at strategy/keep villagers needs in check and happy, style games ^^
But rpg, adventure, open world, explorstion games i dig ^^

I dont want a bunch of people waiting for me to feed them at home when im out is all 🤭

[brittle iron]

Me neither usually, the only rts/builder game I was decent at is Northgard because it was somewhat casual

[elder parrot]

Yeah those games tend to stress me, i usually get full focus on one task at the time ^^

[signal ocean]

I mean I sucked at Banished but I was quite good at Frostpunk so I think I might be decent

[wraith umbra]

Farthest frontier was a really good upgrade to the genre

[signal ocean]

the name rings a bell

[vapid canopy]

Not lies. That was my opinion. I was alittle angry at a different game.

[signal ocean]

well I hope you're feeling better

[lethal rune]

just gotta get used to pausing the game and setting orders for multiple things, they aren't that hard in terms of meeting objectives and winning. like i could win an AOE3 compaign, but nearly anyone who plays multiplayer can destroy me because multiplayer got no pause button lol.

[signal ocean]

my partner plays every management game like this at full speed and never pauses and I cannot fathom how she does it

(but also as a result she often struggles when crises arise because she misses the optimal reaction window)

[lethal rune]

i can normal speed some of them

but for example surviving aftermath was a new experience for me, so i had to pause a few times

sometimes i pause in rim world

sometimes you want to pause in prison architect if you are laying down plans to build a big cell block, that can take like 15-20 minutes if you are really new but also a perfectionist and trying to craft something you will like...

so better to just pause and do all of that than let the game run 20 minutes with everyone getting angry the cell block isn't built yet

[vapid canopy]

I am feeling better now

[manic jasper]

hey there, enshrouded peeps 😄

[signal ocean]

what up

[manic jasper]

hey there! How is your day going?

I haven't played enshrouded in a bit because I needed a break. But htne I had a dream about it last night and I am thinking it is time to come back and try to build my next project

[copper apex]

Heyo y'all

[quasi saffron]

Hello.

I've got a headache. It won't go. Maybe it's just my dogs barking at everything thats walking infront of the window.

[sour rivet]

what is up

[native parrot]

What is down?

[restive quarry]

The sky

[native parrot]

Thanks Australia

[vapid canopy]

Haha! You'll do you one better Why is down?

[native parrot]

Time to get paradoxical.
Why, is down?

[lethal rune]

who is down?

[snow plaza]

Baby are you down, down, down, down, down?

[vapid canopy]

hmmmm

no

[wraith umbra]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah-hown Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah-hown

[brittle iron]

You spin my head right round, right round like a record baby

[wraith umbra]

When you go down when you go down down

[snow plaza]

I appreciate it

[snow plaza]

Good one too

[noble anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/vivaladirtleague-vldl-vldl-dnd-dnd-vldl-ben-gif-3988093829742359498

What is happening here?

[keen elbow]

What the hell

[sturdy patio]

The less you ask, the more you save your sanity

[noble anchor]

Joke's on you, I've spent all of that useless stuff ages ago.

[sturdy patio]

Aww

[noble anchor]

[vapid canopy]

heheh

[noble anchor]

[vapid canopy]

how ya doing to day Mal

[noble anchor]

I'm fine. Weather's nice, it's a calm day at work and I've not had to clean my hammer lately.

[vapid canopy]

thats good

[quasi saffron]

Sounds like a dirty pet hammer.

[noble anchor]

[formal furnace]

hg?

[prisma surge]

No bludgeonings today?

[native parrot]

Plenty, but Malz provides premium package bludgeonings. Very little to no mess

[noble anchor]

Do you offer yourself as tribute?

[prisma surge]

I just got off work I've already been beat up

[native parrot]

Beat-up
Dark
Use the power of your friends to attack your enemy!
-pokedex

[formal furnace]

No

No bludgeoning

Ok,m

?

[lapis prawn]

howdy y'all

I was told to come here for a link to a resource server :3

[copper apex]

https://discord.com/channels/1046840540550942720/1200109637815517184

[lapis prawn]

that doesn't help me tbh

actually I just found that and followed it and now my entire save worlds and characters are all gone

💀

istg everything is gone

[astral hull]

You didn’t read the instructions

[lapis prawn]

i followed the instructions word by word!

[astral hull]

Did you back up your saves?

[lapis prawn]

it said they wer online in steam

but when i moved them back from the steam page they dont appear

[astral hull]

The instructions say to turn off steam save

[lapis prawn]

i did that

and then i downloaded the files from the cloud backuo

but the files from the cloud backup dont do anything

i put them in my common/Enshrouded folder and still no characters or worlds

i still have a copy of all the files

[prisma frost]

@lapis prawn #the-tavern message

[lapis prawn]

don't @me like i cant read when i literally just said i have a backup

@prisma frost

[prisma frost]

😭

[lapis prawn]

ffs

im not stupid, just frustrated

[prisma frost]

Im sorry

[lapis prawn]

i turned back cloud sync and now my worlds and characters are back

but no resource world

fuscks sake i hope they put in a creative mode at some point

[astral hull]

You might be able to get better help in the resource thread

From what I understand you have to manually move your save from steam cloud to your local files and turn off steam cloud

[lethal rune]

why would you need to do that?

[lapis prawn]

ok i figured it out y'all

[astral hull]

Because steam cloud overwrites you’re local files from what I understand

[astral hull]

What was it?

[lethal rune]

steam cloud just saves whatever is there

you just make a new world, find out the name for that new world, grab the resource save, rename the resource save to the name of that new world, then drag it over, and overwrite.

[signal cobalt]

The helpers and other people would like to keep notes of fixes and what worked, so the knowledge can be passed along to another user with similar issues.

[lapis prawn]

idk, i re-enabled cloud saving and then manually renamed files to match my new world

would not work at all without cloud save s on

[astral hull]

Ah good to know

[lapis prawn]

even with moving my backups to the non-cloud way

so i had to undo that first lol

[astral hull]

Well I’m glad you figured it out

[lethal rune]

i never had to mess with steam cloud to load a resource world

[lapis prawn]

lucky u i guess

[astral hull]

Idk but everything I’ve read from it talks about turning it off

[lethal rune]

when you're overwriting files steam cloud doesn't care, if you're placing new files it's different

thats typically the rule of steam cloud

[astral hull]

I don’t use resource saves tho so I’m unfamiliar with it

But I keep up with the thread

[lapis prawn]

ok nope

[signal cobalt]

If you ever turn on steam cloud again, back up all files in both SavedGames and Remote folder, just in case steam cloud overwrites the new data with old data.

[lapis prawn]

didnt work LMAO

[astral hull]

[signal cobalt]

Also, this may be better in #troubleshooting

[lapis prawn]

resource world INFO is saved but cloud over-wrote the actual world map

honestly?

im gonna say f it anduninstall

[viscid bluff]

🤔

[lapis prawn]

i'll come back when the games has more content

[astral hull]

Oh shades here

The big guys are here

Someone help this man

[lapis prawn]

not a man

[astral hull]

Person*

[lapis prawn]

<_>

just say woman wtf

[astral hull]

I didn’t want to assume after I did once

[lapis prawn]

😭

[lethal rune]

make a new world, enshrouded has a code thats the same for everyone, first world is always named the same. second world is always named the same etc. go into the new world, and exit the game after. if your world is named ABCD4 by enshrouded then copy and paste your resource world over the world you just made keeping the name the same - ABCD4. steam cloud won't care. i've done it like 6 times, no issues.

probably needs to be done in cloud save folder and not local save folder

[lapis prawn]

how many files should be updating in the userdata/1203620/remote folder?

on world exit i mean

[agile oar]

Enshrouded's iron looks like black liquorice and it makes me want some.

[viscid bluff]

contrary to some of the opinions here, it's highly suggested by the devs and those of us that helped research the save system minidumps that using cloud is bad when you're working with any saves outside of your own. it's safer and easier to turn off cloud and use the local folder. that's why there's a lengthy guide by @fringe gyro to help with the issues of lost or corrupted files. as great as the backup system is, it has problems of its own.

the safest method is to turn off cloud, use the local files (saved games) for resource world use.. or you can join one of the resource world servers if you don't want to mess with your game files

[lapis prawn]

ok

[copper apex]

https://discord.com/channels/1046840540550942720/1233539692591448166

[signal cobalt]

#server-faq message also a location of the save files here

[lethal rune]

the last world you were in would probably be time stamped with latest time, maybe show screenshot of the saves, also size of the world matters

[lapis prawn]

if only i could post a screenshot

<_>

[lethal rune]

since worlds are given the same name, we could probably tell which world has the name of being the 4th created world

[viscid bluff]

my Fort Resource, Wulfic's Mall, and sometimes the PRW have hosted servers to avoid world save issues if you just need the items

[astral hull]

Can post in #screenshots-and-art

[lapis prawn]

all of these files updated on world exit:

*c4
*c4_info
*c4_info-index
*c4_index
*characters-2
*characters-index
*7d_info-3
*7d_info-index
*7d-2
*7d-index

looks like somehow it's saving 2 worlds at once

what the actual frick

[signal cobalt]

it does that while you open the game.

So if it shuts off immediately it sort of saves as much as possible.

[lapis prawn]

idfk man

[lethal rune]

files(x86)/steam/userdata/steamuserid/1203620/remote (this is the cloud save)

this is cloud save location

[lapis prawn]

i just dont care anymore

this is dumb

im gonna go play Destiny

i literally just wanted to help my brother build a castle

that's it

_<

[lethal rune]

the files you wrote are not related to world saves

so i don't know what you're doing lol

[copper apex]

tbf, doesnt work with this attitude to begin with, you expect to not invest time, while you need to

[viscid bluff]

how? the ones she listed are the world saves with the numbers truncated down to the last 2 digits..

[lethal rune]

oh okay

[lapis prawn]

thank you for recognizing that lol

[signal cobalt]

Wheelabout, Valourant, CyberCrank, and Shade, thanks for taking the time to explain all of this.

[viscid bluff]

i deal with helping people handle my Fort's world file a lot, easy to notice lol

[lethal rune]

it's too much hassle for me to shut off cloud saves to restart all worlds and see what the name order is

but i figured out before that everyones first world is given the same name, and second world, and third world etc.

[lapis prawn]

i just wish i knew what was wrong

[viscid bluff]

Slot 1: 3ad85aea
Slot 2: 3bd85c7d
Slot 3: 38d857c4
Slot 4: 39d85957
Slot 5: 36d8549e
Slot 6: 37d85631
Slot 7: 34d85178
Slot 8: 35d8530b
Slot 9: 32d84e52
Slot 10: 33d84fe5

[lethal rune]

thanks

[lethal rune]

so make a third world, enter that world and exit the game after. it will be named next on that list, lets assume it's Slot 4: 39d85957... then download resource world, and rename the resource world to the same name Slot 4: 39d85957, and then overwrite that file. and your resource world will load. cloud save won't do anything to do it, at least that's how it works for me.

[viscid bluff]

if the file method is still not working.. always the servers to join and grab what you need from them too

[copper apex]

Does it work now?🫣

[prisma frost]

[viscid bluff]

[lapis prawn]

im playing destiny like i said

[copper apex]

Okay, just say something in case you need more help and have more time/patience on your hand 🙂 hf

[prisma surge]

Do I have to craft the magic chest to get the next size up?

[ashen crypt]

no... but you know you want to!

[robust python]

hi guys, how do i buy sever

[gentle forum]

https://enshrouded.wiki.gg/wiki/Enshrouded_Server_Hosting_Providers

[prisma surge]

Was obsidian ore removed from the game?

[signal cobalt]

yes, there were reports of users noticing it was missing a few patches ago. I believe the devs had it in game by mistake, but I don't know for sure until the map is extended and we see it again. The game will have recipes for it if it is meant to be in the game, but since it gave nothing, it was removed.

[formal furnace]

Was there obsidian in the first place?

[prisma surge]

Yeah I saw a video showing the few places it could be found but when I went there it wasnt there so I figured maybe it was removed from game

[gentle forum]

You sure?

It was used for one recipe.

[signal cobalt]

there was a use? Then i am not sure why it was removed

[crude hill]

https://enshrouded.wiki.gg/wiki/Obsidian_Ore

[gentle forum]

Was used to make the Black Cauldron

[subtle prawn]

So was steal at the launch and now it's gone (wasn't even in the game tho)

[gentle forum]

What does that mean exactly?

Steel was in game but, not in game?

[subtle prawn]

It was used for something but not available

[signal cobalt]

i didn't think it exists, but I do not have any Obsidian ores at all. I didn't know it was in the game.

[gentle forum]

Ah, that makes sense.

[gentle forum]

https://i.imgur.com/6ngVyKN.jpeg

Still in-game.

https://i.imgur.com/BJPJB7w.png

However it does seem like they wanted it removed lol, it's not visible you have to mine into a wall to get to it.

[signal cobalt]

lol, wow.

[safe jasper]

curious, is it still needed for the black cauldron then?

[lofty prism]

You could also revisit the boss area where you first recieve it for the alchemist quest, after some time it resets 🙏🏻

[gentle forum]

It's in the recipe to craft an additional one, however due to the resource being this rare I'd advise you to just go kill the Fell Abomination again.

[safe jasper]

aaah gotcha, thanks both 🙂

[ocean cape]

Sup

Anyone tryna play?

[earnest osprey]

this game isnt melee friendly. The green mercenaries are stupid

Why does everything stun me (including bee's, but when I smack a wolf in the mouth with a FAT hammer they're like nah that didnt even hit me ) Tank build btw, just feel like theres not enough for the melee players..
Been playing with my fiance (we just found the game) about to clear the last hallow, but 75% of the stuff we find is for long range players.. Like throw me a bone... LOL

[signal ocean]

good morning gang

[signal ocean]

we're gonna give melee builds some love in a future update

and the green scavengers are everyone's nemesis forever, if that helps

[ionic hemlock]

Wazzzup.

[signal ocean]

not much, prepping content for today and tomorrow, since it's a bank holiday in most countries

[signal ocean]

armored scavenger is imo a little less of an issue because while he's still an incredibly tough opponent, by that stage in the game normally you have more tools at your disposal to dispatch him

[gentle forum]

Lemme keep one as a pet and I’ll make it worth your while

[weak wagon]

is it a pet or a prisoner if they are never allowed to leave the cage?

[gentle forum]

Not sure

[ionic hemlock]

I hope it's money you're talking about.

[keen elbow]

Give em more moves, power and more armor ❤️

[signal ocean]

I'm gonna give them a GUN

[keen elbow]

Finally

[safe jasper]

hope the gun is a gattling gun

[keen elbow]

Or holy grenade, when explodes, shoots out little CUBs that do extra damage

[subtle prawn]

They get 2 rocket launcher

[unique spoke]

Anyone knows if there is a limit to how often you can post in #screenshots-and-art ?

[midnight shadow]

Anyone know when Enshrouded will be available for console?

[subtle prawn]

There's a 30s slowdown in that chat

[subtle prawn]

If it comes then not before 1.0

[urban grotto]

What are the next update is planning to be? the new biome? :D?

[subtle prawn]

Iirc mostly server focused stuff and a sub biom according to the AMA

[urban grotto]

wdym by sub biome

[subtle prawn]

They haven't specified more

[urban grotto]

no no i mean like

whats the different between biome and sub biome

[subtle prawn]

Biom is something totally new like mountains and sub biom would be just a different part of a existing biom

[urban grotto]

oh ok

[lapis fox]

I know im not the first person to say it. I wont be the last person to say it. But i really want greatswords in this game lol

[subtle prawn]

And they might be coming at one point

[prisma surge]

Actually I find a mage with a wand and a shield these guys are a piece of cake (everything is really). Just block with shield and spam wand a few times while backing up. It's almost humiliating to them.

I use a ward for a shield too

[subtle prawn]

That build destroys basically everything that doesn't have a shield and your durability

[prisma surge]

Well it's not really a build as much as a technique. I use staff for long range and ward+wand for close range. You have more than enough points to spec into the Battlemage tree for wand bonus

[subtle prawn]

Wand+shield is a build, you don't need much more to make the game a joke

[prisma surge]

Yeah that is true

Just something I learned to do after getting my butt handed to me too many times trying to use staff at close range

[signal ocean]

a joke, how harsh

[subtle prawn]

Well you can basically block and attack at the same time resulting in barely taking damage

[copper apex]

Heyo, have a nice day y'all 👋🏻

[subtle prawn]

[signal ocean]

you gon attract the nearest nerf bat Sophia

[subtle prawn]

Fireball?

[signal ocean]

shroud meteor

[subtle prawn]

Never used that

[signal ocean]

makes big holes

[subtle prawn]

So it's a drill

[signal ocean]

in a way

[subtle prawn]

Medieval drill sounds about right

[copper apex]

lol 😛

[long garden]

Hello together was the way how quest work for a server changed?

Whta I mean is, is it stil lserver sided or character sided?

[signal ocean]

it's still the same

for now

the changes are currently slated for update 2

[long garden]

Thank you! Cant wait to finally share this amazing game with my friends

[vital path]

I was playing on an unlocked server yesterday and they had chest with stacks of 1000000 of each building item. how can I make my stacks bigger?
Someone on reddit said that the this discord also had files you can download with all the resources so you can be a builder not a farmer 🙂

[carmine scroll]

you need mods id assume.

[subtle prawn]

Only way to make stacks bigger is with Cheatengine

[signal ocean]

be careful though, we've already had to fix some bugs due to Cheat Engine blowing stack size beyond what they're meant to be

[vital path]

All I know is there are resource servers and weapon mod servers - I found a bow in a chest on one "Silvershot Bow" level 80 with 41255 power

[vital path]

makes sense. I see now that there are actual resource servers out there and the stacks are huge LOL

[signal ocean]

yeah they're fine until they're not... and well, because mods aren't officially supported, we're not aiming to fix those

keep in mind the "do it at your own risk"

[vital path]

makes sense.
I love the game - I came from years of playing 7DTD and modding it. Mods for stack sizes, game speed, grow speed, dmg multiplier and weapon mods, would be awsome!
years ago I made the Van Helsign crossbow with 100 shots and a scope, it was great

[signal ocean]

I can see why the lvl 80 bow with ridiculous power would catch your eye lol

[vital path]

also downloading pre-built buildings would be nice 🙂

thanks for all the info

Back to IRL stuff - need to swap out my 18" to 20" all terrains on my golf cart today

[signal ocean]

and adding LCD screens to the back of the mud guards

maybe a nice fluffy wheel cover

[quasi saffron]

Hello.

[native parrot]

I honestly saw something else when you typed lcd

[steel moon]

My cousin did 3 lcds and he had to be hospitalized

[native parrot]

Those Localization Concubine Distributors really hit different.

[signal ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/toda-mari̇ko-mari̇ko-toda-shogun-shōgun-shogun-mari̇ko-gif-14267750082333652467

she's not amused

[steel moon]

I resent your gif privileges.

[signal ocean]

there's got to be some upside to having to endure all of you

[arctic anvil]

any word on upcoming stuff?

[quiet geyser]

In like 5-6 weeks next big update should be coming from what I've gathered this will include revamping the quest system to favor groups play

And obviously add a bunch of other stuff I just don't know about

[echo dirge]

[arctic anvil]

5-6 weeks 😩

its hard for someone whos finished the game rn

i just wanna play the game again but theres nothing to get me to play

[graceful fjord]

it does take time to change the coding.

[arctic anvil]

i dont think its easy but like, still, its rough right now

[graceful fjord]

Or you can start a new world and new character, all from scratch again

[arctic anvil]

🤢

[quiet geyser]

Just come back to it play another game in the meantime

[graceful fjord]

...ok not ideal...

[arctic anvil]

i wouldnt mind that but its just that the world is always the same, aside from loot drops ofc, so i feel like i wouldnt enjoy it as much

just gotta wait for the devs to finish cookin' i suppose

[quiet geyser]

That's the down side of the map

Being the same

[arctic anvil]

well yea- but like damn bro there hasnt been much since launch, the dungeons are neat and all but like what is that really?

[quiet geyser]

I mean compared the content and promises that's already been fulfilled compared to other EA games. I think this game is doing a fine job.

[graceful fjord]

I'm looking forward to explore the snowy mountains and build my cottage.

[arctic anvil]

a point of contention for me with this games development is the devs said they plan on leaving EA by the end of this year, or roughly a year after release and if thats the case they arent on track to reach that goal as of now

[arctic anvil]

me too, the first thing i tried to do was go to those mountains lol

the maps is like what... 1/3rd finished, if even that. and all we've gotten in the past 3 months is not even really technically new areas just new locations

[quiet geyser]

You really think so? Have you seen the roadmap they released? With this past content update they completed a GOOD amount of content in that roadmap already 😂

[arctic anvil]

did they? i didnt really notice much that caught my eye tbh, it was mostly the stuff they said will come later

[graceful fjord]

There is that sneaky red line getting in the way.....

[arctic anvil]

i shed a single tear 🥲

[quiet geyser]

Yea from my understanding they pushed out alot of stuff on the map ( crossed out ) and I'm sure with this next one in few weeks they will cross out alot more

Seems like this team is not one to push out updates every few weeks with very little content to stay up float

Which is good

[arctic anvil]

idk i dont agree with that assessment, the dungeons dont seemm like much of a significant hold-me-over type update i was hoping for, the new items n stuff is cool and all but like, is it gonna make me play another 100 hours and build more settlements? not really

[arctic anvil]

i would prefer smaller monthly updates at this point and save the larger content for big updates i dont get it

why wait like 3-4 months with a BUNCH of highly requested smaller features and then like a few major additions

just give people somethin to keep them going

[quiet geyser]

Here's the thing about the dungeons.

They only created these due to "complaints" from the community of the game being too easy correct. That means whatever they had planned before hand got pushed back for these dungeons

[carmine scroll]

yes and no.
personally i dont try to just focus on one game for a 1000 hours.

theres so many games out there just go play something else for awhile.

[arctic anvil]

well think of it like a book or something, you dont just stop reading a book half way and go read other books for a while, i wanna finish this book

[subtle prawn]

Having fewer bigger updates is better for bringing in new players and returning players to play an update

[next crown]

Hey everyone new to the game about 14 hours in two days. if the Devs read this - Please keep going, you truly have something special here.

[quiet geyser]

Well you can't finish a EA book can ya

[arctic anvil]

ya but then you create schmucks like me who are like "WHERE IS UPDATE"

[open river]

What lvl are ya

[carmine scroll]

the updates will come when they come. if its mot fast enough then maybe join the team.

[arctic anvil]

no ur god damn right i cant 😤

[subtle prawn]

It comes start of June you're free to play whatever you want till then

[arctic anvil]

well no thats not acceptable, they promised out of EA within a year and im holding them to it

[graceful fjord]

After I reached lvl 25 on my first character. I still have uncompleted quests to do and...there are. Spots of the map I have avoided because blue bbq chicken instant peck me to death...

[carmine scroll]

its not a book. its a game. very different.
but to humor this. think of it more like a web comic or a novel series.

[next crown]

level 6 atm. been exploring, learing about the different mechanics and just started to work the with building last night.

[subtle prawn]

They aim for it nothing is promised

[carmine scroll]

i wont. sounds too ambitious to me.

[arctic anvil]

well if they DONT release in a year then im just gonna feel super mislead either way

[open river]

Wanna play later? I'm about lvl 7 or 8 last time I checked

[subtle prawn]

That's up to you for taking them too literally

[open river]

The person I used to play with hosted the world so I lost all my materials :(

[quiet geyser]

That's you taking stuff out of context you thinking they promise that year when they said there aiming for it

[arctic anvil]

yeah totally my fault for belevining in what the creators of the game say 🤪

[subtle prawn]

Since when is aiming = promising?

[graceful fjord]

With game devlopement I anticipate 1-3 years at minimum.

[carmine scroll]

why are gamers so ungrateful?

[arctic anvil]

i mean promise, aim to, they said it

[arctic anvil]

semantics

[subtle prawn]

Entitled people

[quiet geyser]

You sound like a child throwing a fit because mommy said she would THINK about getting you candy but decided not to

[carmine scroll]

exactly. so maybe get over yourself and learn patience.

[arctic anvil]

okay were getting to the point where im entitled because i want the EA game to release before i die? great

[graceful fjord]

It's not like I have waited 10 years for a new game in one of my favourite franchises

[arctic anvil]

ya bro im so entitled for this game i PAID for

sheeeit

[carmine scroll]

you 90 years old son?

[arctic anvil]

so insane i want a game I PAID FOR to release

damn im such an ingreat

[graceful fjord]

a year or two of developement is super fast in comparison.

[quiet geyser]

You paid for a EA title buddy all I gotta say

[carmine scroll]

holy f-k the entitlement is strong with this one.

[steel moon]

Interesting that you’re dismissing something as semantics while overemphasizing “EA” vs full release, which itself is a mostly semantic distinction. They could literally just stop calling it EA and say it’s full release whenever they want lol it makes no actual difference, whatever content is available, that’s what’s available whether it’s labeled EA or not

[carmine scroll]

youre new to early access arent you.

[arctic anvil]

yea bro they SAAAAAID they aim for one year release, so its my fault for not just assuming "well they say 1 year but itll probably be 5" like no man thats not how that works, i get u love this game but dont just like blindly cope

[wraith umbra]

I sympapthize a little with Charmeleeon, but only because if they publically state a goal, we as consumers should hold them accountable to that goal within reason.

[carmine scroll]

google the word aim or something. i dunno.

[copper apex]

Heyo, seems you mistake Early Access with Live Support, thats not the same 🙂

[arctic anvil]

and my only actual complaint is 1 year release date is dubious and somehow that means im entitled, like alright bro

[steel moon]

A goal is not a commitment.

[arctic anvil]

id refund this game rn if i could calling me entitled, i hate that so much

[signal ocean]

I don't think our plan has ever been to attempt to provide hundreds of hours of content with each update. We're not trying to be Destiny, neither do we have the hundreds of devs it'd take to actually follow up with this kind of content

[arctic anvil]

give my money back i dont wnat this game anymore

[wraith umbra]

Them wanting to have this done by a year from release was always a bit lofty, so letting it slide up to a year and a half or so seema reasonable.

[carmine scroll]

theyll release 1.0 one month behind schedule and bro will throw a fit.

[arctic anvil]

okay but u wanna release the game in a year, you need to actually make content

[arctic anvil]

i feel mislead by devs saying "one year release maybe" like wtf is that, obviously thats not happening

can i have a refund?

[wraith umbra]

True, they are behind pace on content to reach that goal.

[quiet geyser]

And I'm sure that's what's bee happening for weeks now. And more to come I'm sure next update will provide lots of content lol

[steel moon]

If you feel misled then you misunderstood the general concept of early access and how that works in reality.

[carmine scroll]

heck. if its 2 years ill commend them. ive seen countless EA games never finish.

[copper apex]

Thats exactly what is happening and needs time, shorter updates means small enjoyable content for the people playing it actually, but that doesnt finish the game at the end

[lethal rune]

a year timeline is what they think they can accomplish, they are a much bigger dev team than valheim, 50+ developers here, and we don't know how much they've done behind the scenes, for all we know 75% of the map has already been completed, but they released the first 25% of it in the EA release. given the past update, i think they can get out the content they say they can in the timeline provided, and if it takes another 2-3 months it's not that much different.

[quiet geyser]

I think this relates to them shifting focus on the dungeons because of community complaints being too easy must have pushed back some things

[steel moon]

Early access should be understood to mean “purchase at your own risk because we are specifically telling you this is half baked”

[arctic anvil]

theres no way theyre finishing the whole map in a year considering they havent even added anything to in in the first quarter of a year, like its not hard to see that imo

[signal ocean]

[arctic anvil]

🥹

[lethal rune]

based on what?

[signal ocean]

decent try though I'll give you that

[wraith umbra]

Perhaps, but honestly I think they are behind pace to reach even 1.5 or two years if they aren't dropping a biome in June.

[arctic anvil]

based on that the map is MASSIVE and again, they havent ADDED anything to it... so what the plan is to just release the entire map in like december 29th?

[lethal rune]

how do you know what they've done? are you behind them right now?

[arctic anvil]

yes they did the dungeon update

thats it

[lethal rune]

how do you know that's all they've done?

[arctic anvil]

okay, thats all theyve actually released though

and they dont talk about anything upcoming at all

[signal ocean]

I feel like I need to point out the Hollow Halls are part of the map

like, they're underground, but they're definitely part of the game world

[quiet geyser]

If the don't drop anything that adds to gameplay aka new biome next update then yes I'll be alittle more concerned

[copper apex]

The game is not locked up in here with you. You're locked up in here with the game. Shhhh and play again lol

[wraith umbra]

I think in the AMA they said no mountain biome in June 🤷‍♂️

[arctic anvil]

a location on the map, not a new area and im not trying to say like "omg this isnt content" it 100% is content and they are fun, but it doesnt feel super significant in the face of what was there at launch and what is supposed to be coming later in updates

[signal ocean]

correct. Update 2 will have a min-biome, or sub biome, which will add a smaller playable area to an existing biome (no spoilers)

[quiet geyser]

Honestly I'm just waiting for them to revamp this quest system for group play so I can host servers better lol

[copper apex]

Just a wild guess, but weather & mountain biome probably comes together

[lethal rune]

they are a 50 people dev team, do you know how many hours 50 people can put into a game in 1 year? if they work 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, that is 547,000 hours. pretty sure filling in the map only takes 10,000 hours or less.

[arctic anvil]

where is it then 😭

[graceful fjord]

Mountain biome for autumn/winter would be fitting too.

[signal ocean]

if you were around during the early launch times, when the question of "1.0 when?" came out, we were very consistent in pointing out that the better the game did, the more ambitious it would allow us to be

this is still true

[wraith umbra]

Don't really care about what is in the next update, juat poiting out that 1.0 in a year is clearly a dead dream.

[pliant quarry]

In the nicest way possible, you have no idea how game development works lol

[subtle prawn]

No teases nothing at all We know more over that update than the last one

[arctic anvil]

i mean if thats the case im down for that, like take as long as is needed, but just like say something about it 😭

[wraith umbra]

Look for 2 years at best now, probably longer.

[pliant quarry]

There's more wrong with that statement than I can even honestly address, it's all wrong

[copper apex]

Haha

[arctic anvil]

i feel like im in the dark, like i dont even know what content is coming because i didnt read an AMA post on reddit like what ????

[lethal rune]

i mean sure all 50 people wont be working on the map

but still, if you were desperate you might get your coder to do map making 😛

[arctic anvil]

50 people is not as many as you might think when it comes to making a game

[signal ocean]

our level design team is like, half a dozen people if you count people whose primary job is something else entirely but who have contributed to level design

[gentle forum]

Morning fellers

[arctic anvil]

especially how complicated the game seems on the surface

[gentle forum]

https://tenor.com/view/community-donald-glover-troy-barnes-fire-flame-gif-4601087

[arctic anvil]

yes

[signal ocean]

i swear to god

[lethal rune]

and still if you were worried about level design not making the 1 year timeline, you wouldn't have chosen to add water or weather.. (weather being the worst choice, and uncessary, and annoying)

[copper apex]

🫵🏻 Charmeleeon set us up the bomb lol

[arctic anvil]

😳

[wraith umbra]

Charmeeleon is actually doing the right thing and not just bootlicking

[arctic anvil]

my burning passion for this game makes me raise an eyebrow ok, i cant help it

[lethal rune]

1 person working level design, is 10k hours in a year, heck even i could pick up the level design job, and finish the enshrouded map if i have 10k hours.

[arctic anvil]

im too excited for more content and i cant live with the enshrouded withdrawls tbh

[lethal rune]

and i know nothing about level design

[arctic anvil]

its making me insane

[pliant quarry]

Probably a decent chance, but not because we were off the mark on what we were capable of. More like what Cub said, given the massive success we've had already our scopes for what we want "1.0" to be have grown and expanded from what we were thinking before launch.

[arctic anvil]

when will you add hedgehogs to the game so i can imprison them and force them to do little mazes?!!!

[signal ocean]

to be honest I genuinely do not care about the one year timeline. The game is making good progress and we'll be delivering on more roadmap items with update 2. Full launch will hit when it's ready, but given as I said before that we're now able to build a bigger and better Enshrouded, this means that "aiming for one year" was a very optimistic prospect we actually published before the game blew up during Steam Next Fest

[pliant quarry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

[gentle forum]

Have you ever considered, not being pedantic and trying to stir the pot?

[pliant quarry]

that embed was massive...

[arctic anvil]

"to be honest I genuinely do not care about the one year timeline. The game is making good progress and we'll be delivering on more roadmap items with update 2. Full launch will hit when it's ready,

so just say that 🥹 just make a big ole OFFICAL post and just say that

[subtle prawn]

It's adall, what do you expect?

[signal ocean]

please pick up RPG maker tonight and let us know 6 months from now how your game is getting on

[lethal rune]

wow getting psychologized for believing in myself

[arctic anvil]

i think most people wouldnt have an issue with longer time for release if it was just said in advance

[signal ocean]

would love to, but I'm sitting here actually able to explain things to you. On the Steam forums they'd clamor for my head on a pike within hours

[arctic anvil]

i mean lol yea fair enough

[wraith umbra]

I don't disagree with that. If you chose to leave the game as is and just focus on content expansion, it could have been done.

[lethal rune]

designing a whole game, vs level design, no one knows what i am capable of, so can't really claim dunning kruger effect.

[signal ocean]

we'll post updates when the entire team feels confident we can hold ourselves to such deadlines, which is why we're not even talking about a specific date for Update 2, even though it's the very next update! We just sort of know what we're aiming for

[wraith umbra]

I'm glad you aren't, but also having a conversation that the timeline has shifted is good for the community.

[arctic anvil]

i mean, if youre expanding the actual scope (which i hadnt even considered as being a possibility) then i can 100% understand it taking longer, like what even is 1.0 right? its just a fancy name, a game is truly never finished anyway 😤

[wraith umbra]

I don't believe you could do it

[signal ocean]

alright then allow me to do something you'll hate

[arctic anvil]

NO

[signal ocean]

we've got really cool stuff planned that we didn't even dare put on the roadmap

[arctic anvil]

NOOOOO

now im even more exicted, how could u do this to me

[signal ocean]

because it's cool as an idea but we don't know if we can even make it happen

that's what you get for making me type so much

it's retribution

it's only fair

[arctic anvil]

its only fair 😔

[copper apex]

lmao thats so mean

[arctic anvil]

mean but deserved

[steel moon]

People when devs don’t talk about what’s coming: “ugh why won’t devs talk to us”
People when devs tell them what’s coming but are slightly behind schedule because of scope creep, feedback, or unexpected road bumps that nobody could’ve seen coming: “REEEEE DEVS SAID ITD BE DONE BY NOW!!!!1one!!!”

[pliant quarry]

Yeah we're not really intentionally withholding anything, it's more that predicting the timeline of game development that far out is extremely complicated and borderline guess work, even after you've consulted the entire team to get estimates.

And like Charmeleeon said "1.0" is an entirely abritrary metric that is essentially just when we feel it's "ready". This mythical "1.0" taking more or less time has zero bearing on the actual content you as a player will be getting in that timeframe. If you already own the game it essentially kinda means nothing.

It being extended mostly means you'll be getting more content. But we don't feel comfy giving an actual date yet because there's still a lot of unknown variables

[lethal rune]

And like Charmeleeon said "1.0" is an entirely abritrary metric that is essentially just when we feel it's "ready". This mythical "1.0" taking more or less time has zero bearing on the actual content you as a player will be getting in that timeframe. If you already own the game it essentially kinda means nothing.

i remember i said this before and everyone was disagreeing with me

[signal ocean]

yeah there's nothing worse as a CM than having to walk back what the community thought was a promise

[lethal rune]

including 1 of the helpers lol

just cause i called it arbitrary lol

in retrospect maybe arbitrary was the wrong word... not sure still.

[signal ocean]

I need to go post something on tiktok nobody burn anything

or anyone

[pliant quarry]

Oh well I mean it's true, it's totally arbitrary. I mean devs set their own standards for what they want "1.0" to be, so it's not arbitrary in that regard. But saying our game is "1.0" sooner or later doesn't magically make it easier for us to develop more things or something

[wraith umbra]

I don't feel like 1.0 is that mythical, you can kinda feel when a map is fleshed out and if the game gives complete vibes.

[lethal rune]

the game is complete when the community stops yelling for the next update

done.

i found the bar

[wraith umbra]

Like could there always be more? Sure, but if the base loop gives a sense of completion, that is a strong 1.0 indicator.

[pliant quarry]

Footage of the dev team working on the game when that finally happens

[steel moon]

Shit no wonder it’s taking so long, y’all are working on machines from the 90s

[lethal rune]

i like how this footage implies this guy was working since 1996

LOL

[copper apex]

how did his legs shrink that much, that is the more important question here lol

[pliant quarry]

You'd be surprised tbh, I know a lot of games that "released" that... definitely needed more time in the oven, and vice versa there are games like project zomboid that are just indefinitely in early access despite feeling feature complete for like a decade

[lethal rune]

he made a game based on himself, enshrouded.

thats why all the people are short

[steel moon]

New world should’ve stayed in beta for a lot longer 😒

Although that probably wouldn’t have saved it anyway given that AGS are just objectively bad at running a game

[lethal rune]

project zomboid only feels that way multiplayer or modded

[pliant quarry]

I think for the meme the Dwarf Fortress devs should have made the game early access on steam just because they haven't stopped developing that game for like 30 years

[lethal rune]

its actually not a great game for me personally...

[carmine scroll]

NO promises.

[lethal rune]

i'd like project zomboid to open a co-op mode, and then i'd call it complete.

[carmine scroll]

I HATE harvesting aloe......

[lethal rune]

similar to barony's co-op

[pliant quarry]

Oh I almost forgot about my favorite example

For anyone who didn't know, Warframe is still technically in "open beta"

I think the devs are just doing it for the meme at this point, but it's funny

[astral hull]

The Isle is still in EA and that released in 2015

[lethal rune]

dwarf fortress used to have a graphic overhaul mod that looked really good before they even added themselves to steam, and i think what they have on steam doesn't match that old graphic overhaul mod, basically the graphics still need work for me to want to get dwarf fortress..

[cunning basin]

i played DF when the graphics were all just color coded letters for everything..

[lethal rune]

yeah i never played it

i couldnt get into ascii games, ultima had a few of those

[copper apex]

Ugh ascii games, i always nope out immediatly on any game that is using hexagons in any way 🥶

[carmine scroll]

hey. wild questioin, is the current max base size final or is there any consideration to making it bigger later on?

[signal ocean]

you mean altar size

you can stack altars

and make your base bigger

[carmine scroll]

uh, ya.

[pliant quarry]

It's not final but it's not not final either, I guess? There's no current active plans to change it, but that doesn't mean it won't change.

[carmine scroll]

which is, ya, great. but right now we only have 8. so I need to be sparing.

[carmine scroll]

so you're saying there's a chance!

[wraith umbra]

Please change upgrading altars to use sparks

[carmine scroll]

I assume this is true but I hope when we get more areas the number of bases we get at 5 and 6 flame altar level go up.

[carmine scroll]

that would be nice.

[wraith umbra]

Give me a reason to go to those flame shrines

[signal ocean]

although do note that the plans include "adding more altars" every so often, I think with each biome is the current plan?

[carmine scroll]

I heard the final max number is 20?

[signal ocean]

definitely understand "20" as "a number we pulled out of our hats at a time when optimization was a distant problem for "us from the future""

[carmine scroll]

so you're saying it could be 50 or infinite or anything higher than 20? nice.

[gentle forum]

It's 60 now?

[pseudo palm]

lol

[carmine scroll]

50 would be great.

[wraith umbra]

Infinite altars sounds good for my PC

[signal ocean]

I'm saying if your GPU can be used as auxiliary barbecue there's a good chance having a high number of altars will do the trick

getting that bacon fat real C R I S P

[carmine scroll]

to be honest, I wish max size was 200 instead of 160, I just need, a liiiitle more space. but, 160 is fine.

[signal ocean]

to be honest also, if we gave you 200 you'd argue for 220

[pseudo palm]

This auto played in my mind
https://youtu.be/r-62nEPA83w?si=J3uDv3uZYVqArLWd

[signal ocean]

we both know it

[carmine scroll]

you mean 240. 😛 but i like 200. nice even number. but 160 is also logical.

[pliant quarry]

Future me looking back in time every time we promise a new feature that work hasn't started on yet

[wraith umbra]

That's just a heat sink

[pliant quarry]

screw that future me guy though I heard he sucks

[carmine scroll]

ha

toast your avatar is WILD

[wraith umbra]

I'm just excited for vehicles coming in the next updatw

Toast promised

[pliant quarry]

I love my avatar in voice chats because every time you speak it animates

[signal ocean]

he's coding them right now

[pseudo palm]

Future you is talking shit about you. Make sure to ruin his life

[pliant quarry]

Yep I'm gonna take the bathesda route and slap invisible NPCs underneath assets to make them I'm sure nothing will go wrong

[signal ocean]

booo we don't diss other studios/publishers in public boooooo

[carmine scroll]

they do WHAT

[pliant quarry]

I mean is it a diss if it worked

[gentle forum]

I like that the train in Fallout 3 was just a guy with a train on his head

[pliant quarry]

nobody said the trains in FO3 were bad lol

[carmine scroll]

WHAT

[signal ocean]

that's Half Life 2

[pliant quarry]

it was in fo3 too (it was a decent strategy back in the day when everyone was crunching)

[signal ocean]

oh wait you,re right

dammit

[gentle forum]

I think we need train guys in enshrouded

[signal ocean]

that's it everyone my memory is going

we had a good few years

[gentle forum]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-zach-ruane-sam-sam-lingham-mark-gif-21466341

[outer walrus]

Its such a good strategy

[pliant quarry]

HL2 is particularly funny though because they already had vehicles

Also does anyone remember the compactor scene in half life 2? Those were just reskinned trains

So many layers to the jank

[carmine scroll]

wow

[outer walrus]

What are they going to do, take another six+ months just to code vehicle physics enough to do a standalone train?

(speaking for fo3)

[signal ocean]

now let's not get into game jank otherwise we'll have to explain how games manage "doors" and we will implode

[carmine scroll]

EXPLAIN THE DOORS

[pliant quarry]

wait nvm I am thinking of HL1, that had the compactor

[pliant quarry]

Yeah it actually made sense, especially since their engine just did not support vehicles at all at the time. Would be so much work for no reason

[signal ocean]

how long do u have

https://www.theverge.com/22328169/game-development-doors-design-difficult

[carmine scroll]

more games need vehicles. why do you think halo was so good?!

[pliant quarry]

moving objects in general are an absolute nightmare on most engines

[gentle forum]

Tea bags

[quasi saffron]

Awww. I missed a good talk again.

[signal ocean]

alright I'm out, you guys have a good one

[outer walrus]

I'll always support a good bodge

[quasi saffron]

Until tomorrow CUB

[pliant quarry]

I remember when I first played the alpha for sea of thieves and I was BLOWN AWAY, I had never seen a game that so seamlessly had players interacting with massive moving objects like that before

I still don't honestly know how they did it, but a lot more games are doing it now to the point where it has become commonplace

[quasi saffron]

Maybe I'll pester you more then

[gentle forum]

Discord is adding clan tags??

[quasi saffron]

Oh no... That will only end up in dwarf wars

[carmine scroll]

is there a simple answer to why moving objects are hard?

[quasi saffron]

Because it's moving

[carmine scroll]

slightly less simple? XD

[pliant quarry]

xXx[FL@ME]K33nT0ast420xXx

[quasi saffron]

hard to get something coded when it moves, or you have to move behind it

[signal ocean]

https://www.ign.com/articles/putting-doors-in-video-games-is-a-nightmare-say-developers
there's a short-ish video here

[gentle forum]

think CoD/Halo. So it'll be an emoji and 4 letters

[carmine scroll]

but soooo many games have doors!

[quasi saffron]

But do you really open them? Or just kick them open?

[signal ocean]

why do you think so many game devs are exhausted all the time

[gentle forum]

Not enough coffee

[quasi saffron]

Have u guys tried to walk your devs in the park?

Maybe a bit sun for these bleached bones will do wonders

[pliant quarry]

There's not really a simple way to explain it tbh, but games are built by "cheating" a lot of things, mostly for performance sake. So a game engine doesn't really work like how physics would in real life, it's all an illusion to appear like it does.

Often when objects can move and interact with each other, and ESPECIALLY if they can interact with the player, those shortcuts completely break down.

and that's how you end up with your players flying around your map on wooden pallets https://youtu.be/tCzVlIhf0So?si=YRWIXQVNBBiKU34U&t=128

[quasi saffron]

Well, the most relaxed way to traverse the map in Enshrouded was sleeping in a bed.

Well, until it was fixed

[pliant quarry]

These days engines have gotten more powerful and devs have gotten better at making things more seemless, but issues still crop up. Doors can be particularly troublesome because in a lot of games they are often like... All powerful. They will open/close no matter what, but that means the player can often exploit that for glitches, like getting out of bounds or forcing objects through the floor or something.

[copper apex]

i prefer a carpet 😅

[pliant quarry]

I remember that even happened in valorant which has like, really simple doors that just slowly slide up or down and that's it. Players found a way to use the door to force themselves out of the map and shoot other players lol

[quasi saffron]

So... Toast plays shooter games. Is that the reason for your holes?

[pliant quarry]

It's a reason for my high blood pressure

[quasi saffron]

Tried less gluten and more flour?

[carmine scroll]

WOW

and then titanfall was like, what if that WAS how you played the game.

[pliant quarry]

Yeah, appropriate given that it was built on the source engine lol

(modified version of it)

[carmine scroll]

oh wow lol

i want titanfall co-op SO BAD

[lethal rune]

how about ladders

seems like ladder would be harder

[carmine scroll]

worst ladders in any game? NMS

[lethal rune]

space engineers

obviously

[carmine scroll]

have barely played that one. lord I dont want to experience a WORSE ladder.

[lethal rune]

lol

[pliant quarry]

most ladders are basically just an invisible box that says "players can move up and down here" while you stand inside it, and swap some controls around lol

[carmine scroll]

Enshrouded has one of the best ladders. i can jump up it for one thing.

NMS hates letting you break away from the ladder so having one run up a tower of rooms is a terrible idea.

[lethal rune]

i can see why doors are harder than ladders, because the door needs to swing and have a hitbox

and if it hits the player, not send the player flying 1000 feet

[pliant quarry]

Well yeah ladders don't move

[carmine scroll]

but. NPCs are moving jobjects.

[pliant quarry]

stuff moving is where the most things break

there's often a lot of broken stuff involving NPCs as well, though it usually doesn't matter in the way your players will be interacting with them

namely NPCs clipping through objects/the player/other npcs

or getting stuck in world geometry, falling through objects/the floor, stuff like that.

[carmine scroll]

wild

[pliant quarry]

This is a simplified version of how most game world surfaces look to the engine, the actual part things are interacting with. the rest is just pretty visuals to cover it all up.

So if an object/player/npc manages to pass through this mesh, or get stuck in it (it's just a 2d plane, or volumetric polygons), that's how things end up falling through worlds or getting stuck in seemingly nothing, things like that.

[carmine scroll]

interesting.

reminds me how I keep noticing cracks all over enshrouded.

[lethal rune]

https://youtu.be/TiiD7YLgEkE?t=146 this convo reminds me of this video

[pliant quarry]

Also might be hard to understand why this would be so complicated on such a simple example of a game world, but when modern engine's polygons look like this, you can definitely understand why it's easy for things to break lol https://youtu.be/Dj60HHy-Kqk?si=kWs--mJPMsYtTQvU&t=111

[lethal rune]

yeah that's crazy

that also proves how i can make a map without knowledge, just add a procedural assembly to the world :d

1 CLICK, boom map done

thank you unreal engine 5

[pliant quarry]

lol yeah I mean if you built a game in UE5 the engine can do a lot of legwork, wouldn't support a voxel world though

There's some visually impressive solo UE5 projects though.

[lethal rune]

it's smart to have the procedural stuff work in tandem with the hand built stuff

like rather than it being a choice of one or the other, they can merge easily, regardless of order

[cunning basin]

but not with the steering tied to the camera

[carmine scroll]

?

[prisma surge]

This game has one vehichle, the glider. And the camera doesnt allow you to look around too much or behind at all. And it forces camera view forward after a few seconds. I think they need to losen it up I like to look around.

[cunning basin]

it would be a bit better if the camera didnt try to face foward on its own when you try to look aaround

[prisma surge]

kind of what I am saying but also not limit the view to 120 degrees in front, allow 360 viewing

Also we need a mini map toggle

[lethal rune]

do we have a compass?

otherwise don't really need mini map

set waypoint follow compass, this way you dont need to open large map again to see if you're facing right direction

[prisma surge]

compass is not a mini map. It doesnt show your position relative to other places in the world as you are moving

The functions are really quite different in purpose and application

[lethal rune]

mini map would be too small to be useful, just would let you see a bit in front of you when locations we're travelling to on map are miles away usually. i don't see the point.

the only issue with the game is sometimes i need to open map twice to make sure im facing right direction, compass solves it

[prisma surge]

Mini maps can have a fade setting so it can overlay your screen and you can still see through it. A simple toggle button brings it up and dismisses it. If I am wrong about this then many games have wasted their time with such mini maps as they are completely useless

Go have a look at LOTRO's mini map it's quite small and yet everyone uses it

[lethal rune]

depends on the game, shooting games have radar/mini map, and you can actually aim using the radar (which in turn makes it useful in that game). i understand it can be turned on and off, i am not debating how a mini map will affect me personally. i am saying it doesn't seem that useful to put the work in.

what's the usefulness?

fallout 4 for example has no mini map, just a world map and compass

LOTR's mini map seems to act as a compass

that's literally where 90% of the usefulness lies lol

https://i.redd.it/a5ld8wljdoj61.png

https://raebidus.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/clicks.png

[sturdy patio]

Why are you guys arguing about a mini map lol. Some people want a mini map, others don't, what's there to argue about?

[lethal rune]

i'm not arguing, i'm asking why it's useful to have

[sturdy patio]

Does it matter? If CrankyOldGamer wants one, then that's about it, useful or not, right?

[quiet geyser]

Could just add a setting to disable it

[lethal rune]

sure, people are allowed to want whatever they want?

i want pink pandas in the game

nobody can make me not want this.

we agree.

[sturdy patio]

What?! Last I checked this is a free world, and people are allowed to want whatever they want, yeah? If you want pink pandas in the game then that's fine, I'm not gonna argue with you.

[lethal rune]

what i wrote wasn't sarcasm

lol

[sturdy patio]

Sure doestn't come across that way, no.

[lethal rune]

the question mark was meant to imply it's obvious

i already said we agree

[sturdy patio]

Sarcasm is indicated by a question mark. Huh, who knew!?! Duly noted

Anyway, sure is great that the snow finally melted away huh?

[lethal rune]

anyway they were saying "we need a mini map" speaking for everyone, and also declaring it's usefulness, rather than "i want a mini map"

so i was talking about mini maps usefulness in games

[sturdy patio]

Just let it go lol

[lethal rune]

why?

whats wrong with the topic?

[sturdy patio]

Or don't, I'm not your mother. I'll go get the popcorn. Carry on.

[cunning basin]

yea a mini map would be cool

[ocean cape]

I need a mini map to know where the bad guys are so I can quick scope them

[pseudo palm]

I personally don't think we need a minimap. In fact, few things in life truly accommodate the verb to need. But I understand why some people prefer the option to have one

[ocean cape]

Well if we don’t have a mini map then how will we know how to get to the store?

[pseudo palm]

What store?

[ocean cape]

The one in the forest way

[pseudo palm]

A marker on the map, or a pointer on the compass, or a landmark on the terrain. There are other options and other games have done them all in the past. Hence why we don't need a minimap. It's just that some people prefer to have one

[ocean cape]

If we are being technical we don’t need anything

But the quality of life would go up

[sturdy patio]

We kind of do need air, water and food.

[lethal rune]

a lot of mini maps have built in compass functionality, so maybe people who want mini map really want it for that feature too.

[ocean cape]

Nope

I don’t breath or drink water

I’m like that

We are talking about enshrouded right? lol

[lethal rune]

unless a mini map also functions like a radar (shows where enemy are) ? minimap is useful in games when it serves as a radar.

depends if people think an enshrouded player should be able to see enemies on the map / or chests

[pseudo palm]

In that sense of needing, few things are truly needed in life in general.
But what Valourant was pointing at is that people confound needs with wants, and there's a significant difference between the two. One is much, much more urgent and objective than the other

[ocean cape]

Would be able to call in a air strike on them if we did see them on the map ngl

Ahh yes indeed I see

[pseudo palm]

For the people who want minimap? Yeah, probably
For those who dislike it as a feature? Probably the opposite.

So we rather want to have it as an option that you can turn on or off

[ocean cape]

Well typically with games with mini maps there is always a option to disable it so it’s a win win for all

[pseudo palm]

Right!

[ocean cape]

Nice

Everyone should be on the same page now

[lethal rune]

imo if it's an option then it doesn't affect me, i do prefer less UI on my screen in games so i would just turn it off, but if you're telling me it's needed/useful, i need a reason to agree with that... the statement that "it's useful" is not an actual reason on how it's useful... that's all i was getting at earlier.

[ocean cape]

Well it’s not necessarily needed but some people just like to have it gives a better feel of their surroundings

Enshrouded is a dark game at points and say you don’t wanna fall in lava or something so you would have a mini map to show where exactly the lava is and where you are

[lethal rune]

isn't the game black screen map discovery?

you can't get more sense of surroundings in unexplored areas lol

[ocean cape]

Well it would unlock as you go similar to the current map

I would imagine the minimap would be small enough to unlock the map in a radius that works for it

[lethal rune]

yeah but i mean it wouldn't even aid in knowing where to go if you needed to know to go left or right, when we tried to get to first spire, i remember we went left and it was a dead end, and then we went right we found a path and then a road leading up a cliff to the spire... mini map wouldn't have solved this issue since it was all unexplored map for us.

[pseudo palm]

Hmm, I wouldn't conflate a "need for something" with a "use for something".
It seems to me that something can be subjectively useful without it being a need. Usefulness is derived from the consequences we get by employing something into our actions/thoughts, while needing something seems to be much more about the conditions necessary for an action/thought to take place

[ocean cape]

It would come down to how advanced the mini map is

I’ve played games where the mini map tell you exactly where to go and how to get there and I’ve played games where the mini map helped minimal amount

[lethal rune]

well i am curious about the usefulness of a mini map in a game like enshrouded, if we have a compass, and the game devs don't want to show enemy or chests to the player, and the map is unexplored, then what is the usefulness of a mini map? do we want the dev team to code this in for basically aesthetic preference? (where the aesthetic preference of a lot of players will be to ignore this feature by turning it off) or is there a use i am missing here?

[ocean cape]

Go into a game and go to a black spot the discovery bubble around you is pretty big

[lethal rune]

like a player can find their way in the game by staring at landmarks, rather than through mini map familiarity

[pseudo palm]

For some players it might be easier to orientate themselves via a minimap than via the compass, even though they serve mostly similar functions. So that might make a minimap more useful for those players.

But my original point was more on the distinction between a use and a need. It was a broader point that goes beyond Enshrouded :P

[ashen crypt]

I am going to chime in for a second here. The usefulness of a mini map is that people who have difficulty with orientation and using compass directions find it helps them to get around. I have known many players who are perpetually lost. I have known players that have difficulty with the simple statement that it is north of their current location. Yes, the compass ping can help, but the mini map helps with their spatial awareness.

[lethal rune]

oh i'm talking about a compass like in fallout 4 being added to enshrouded

bottom of the screen, you mark something on map, and it appears on compass outside of the map

[ashen crypt]

Personally, I find them annoying and likely won’t have it on. 😀

[lethal rune]

much easier to follow than using pings, and finding north

[ashen crypt]

Yeah I remember it, was something that is user friendly for folks with spatial awareness challenges for sure

[lethal rune]

you basically just turn your character in a circle, and when the marker on the compass is directly in front of you you're facing the right direction.

[pseudo palm]

This reminded me of a friend who's chronically lost in every video game he plays. If he enters a cave in a 3D game, in less than 2 minutes he'll forget where he came from and wander around aimlessly.
Dude's an accomplished engineer IRL, I just don't get it lol

[ashen crypt]

Oh I get it!

[lethal rune]

tell him to follow left wall 😄

[ashen crypt]

Also he probably would love wisps to follow lol

[lethal rune]

that would be cool, if we had wisps that could lead us to locations!

omg

[ashen crypt]

I have seen them in other games… but sometimes the pathing is poorly implemented and lead to bad stufff.

[viral scarab]

I am also friends with such a person. Zero direction sense

[pseudo palm]

We had wisps like that in Monster Hunter World. I personally didn't like them, it took much out of the sense of exploration and the attention needed to track things. But I absolutely get why people like them

[lethal rune]

im like this person irl, especially if i default to someone else who is driving or planning the trip, then i totally have no clue where i am, or how i got there.

[ashen crypt]

Anyways, I guess my point in this was for someone like these poor lost players it is a huge QoL improvement.

[pseudo palm]

It's quite funny when we travel together, this friend and I. He just follows me or other friends, because he's perpetually lost xD

[viral scarab]

I grew up in the woods, so thankfully I have super good direction sense 😝 But one of our buddies who would come out exploring with us sometimes? Oh man he would get lost in a minimart

Guy is a civil engineer now, too

[ashen crypt]

I freely admit that sometimes I have been known to get lost, but I am much improved from when I used to play EverQuest lol

[lethal rune]

if i take it upon myself to figure out where to go then my direction sense is good, but also it is pretty easy to get lost in a canadian forest, everything looks the same.

you really have to keep track in your head of how you turned and stuff or at least the general direction of where you came from

like i can read maps well

[ashen crypt]

Alright.. what is with all the Canadians in my life lately? I swear 95% of my online friends are from Canada.

[lethal rune]

its just i have this sort of mode where ill just default to following someone and all that goes out the window

lol

[ashen crypt]

Yeah I do that with the hubby. I say we are going to go get this quest done… lead the way!

I can find it on my own, no issue, but just easier to have one captain.

[formal furnace]

Good

[outer walrus]

As long as they can be turned off i can begrudgingly accept minimaps in games

Worst case i can hold out for a mod that removes them

[astral hull]

I too prefer less UI in my game. Although a minimap would be helpful, depending on the amount of screen space it took, I may or may not use it

[agile oar]

Anyone know how to make secret doors look secret? This is some Scooby Doo nonsense. #screenshots-and-art message

[lethal rune]

put a garden on top of it

[sturdy patio]

Yeah it doestn't get any more secret than that atm, sorry.

[lethal rune]

the bookcase door is pretty secret looking

[quiet geyser]

Ya I like it

[lethal rune]

and there are ways to hide it better

[astral hull]

Yeah bookshelf seems to be the only actually secret looking secret door

[lethal rune]

you could bookcase door and then have the stairs down into the basement from there.

[quiet geyser]

Ya they messed up on matching any blocks lol

[astral hull]

Ya that one was a goofy

[cunning basin]

the glowing treasure light and obvious minecraft button doesnt help either

[steel moon]

It’d also help a lot to suppress the on screen prompt to open/pick up when nearby for that specific item. Even if they somehow manage to hide it visually it’s still not really very secret when it plainly tells you it can be opened

[prisma surge]

So apparently no other wood will burn in the kiln except logs.

[sturdy patio]

Correct

[prisma surge]

Interesting physics. All the other wood must be made of stone.

[sturdy patio]

Stop being so Cranky all the time you old fart 😛 . I'm sure more wood will get added to be burned etc. Remember, it's in very early early access still.

[prisma surge]

stop (cough) being cranky?! Never!

[sturdy patio]

I would never expect anything less 🙂

Boarding a plane now, cya tomorrow (if i survive)

[prisma surge]

Man I am liking Radiant Aura and Sun Aura. Those little bugs that swarm you in the shroud just all die.

[cunning basin]

thats probably why we can grow 6 types trees of regular wood. i dont see palm wood or hard wood. we can use the rare wood for builds and not waste a gathering trip

can our base covers some shroud area and if so, will growing a tree in it make shroud logs?

[fresh jungle]

Hmmm is there a bug report available in game?

[wraith umbra]

Yup, menu or f1

[fresh jungle]

Sweet thanks, I submitted it

Heh planting seedlings bugs lol

[prisma surge]

Sneak attack applies to melee weapons only?

in other words doesn't apply to a fireball launched form a long ways away

[cunning basin]

whats was happening?... or wasn't ...

[fresh jungle]

I was planting chamomile and it was saying the ground wasn’t suitable then taking the seedling out of my inventory

I figured out the ground not suitable bit, a few layers down was the rock base under the farm soil

But the seedling disappearing is what the bug was

[cunning basin]

i think it need 2 squares deep of soil to work

[fresh jungle]

Yeah I got that part to work after adjusting

[chilly oxide]

Anyone got any idea how to make a headstone? Tryin to build a cemetery with an underground crypt for the new npc. But I cant find a block or a piece of furniture I'm satisfied with...

[errant quest]

I built Alden a nice underground crypt that's lit up by blue glow stone and the green hollow halls wall lights. It has such a nice radiance.

But as for blocks, have you tried refined stone, limestone, or the city stone? Those may work well for crafting a headstone.

[ashen crypt]

what about layering items? like stone blocks with maybe a window or fence? embedding a table into blocks to create a coffin?

I could see this on top of a couple limestone blocks to make a headstone..https://enshrouded.gdg.wiki/furniture/round-stone-window-frame

[prisma surge]

Found my first iron ore deposit and I dont have my rested bonus because I died to an exploding bug

[ashen crypt]

also this chair.. embed them so just the back shows https://enshrouded.gdg.wiki/furniture/sand-throne

[safe jasper]

that's an expensive headstone, better be someone important 😄

[ashen crypt]

nuuu! got a spare flame altar you can toss down?

[ashen crypt]

eh just tossing ideas around

[prisma surge]

Dont think I can build in here I am inside a elixer well

[ashen crypt]

aah gotcha. I have a location that has iron that is easy to get to.... want me to PM you a screenshot?

[prisma surge]

Well what I mean to say is my first iron ore deposit on this character

[ashen crypt]

aah ok. so you know good locations 😄

[gentle forum]

Hello party people

[carmine scroll]

no u

[gentle forum]

https://tenor.com/view/jeffrey-dahmer-dahmer-jeffrey-party-hardy-netflix-dahmer-gif-14887547307085161571

[carmine scroll]

flexing you can use gifs huh?

😛

[gentle forum]

You can use gifs.

[carmine scroll]

nice avatar btw. i see you are a person of culture as well.

[gentle forum]

YYH on 🔝

[carmine scroll]

YYH > DBZ

[gentle forum]

I love Togashi and Toriyama equally.

[carmine scroll]

Ill die on this hill.

like i think DB is great.
Z? .... it had cool bad guy designs at least.

im just sad about YYHs final story arc.

but i get burnout.

[gentle forum]

https://tenor.com/view/sensui-yuyuhakusho-yusuke-ghost-fighter-gif-12976151

Honestly wasn't a fan of the arcs post dark tournament

[carmine scroll]

ya. he wasnt the best villian

and YYH turning out to be part demon? lame.

[gentle forum]

Sensui had an interesting setup though

[carmine scroll]

yes.

togurishi was one of my favorite villians. im butchering thst name. but sunglasses dude.

the fate his brother got was too kind.

but ya. his final power percentage confuses me. theres two different translations between subs and dubs, and then his thoughts proclaimed he lied.
it was a little confusing. either way. awesome dude. and an awesome flip on the death of an ally trope.

[gentle forum]

Toguro?

https://tenor.com/view/togoro-yuyu-yuyuhakusho-togorobrother-gif-19736575

[carmine scroll]

ya him

awesome villian/antihero

his whole arc was great.

[formal furnace]

Who's that

[glad plank]

just did my first hollow halls

[lethal rune]

lol did the guy he punch have osteoperosis

makes more sense for the bone to break at the actual weak point, the joint lol

[gentle forum]

Strong.

[lethal rune]

lol he held his hand there like superman the man of steel was holding it, while breaking his arm

maybe if the guys arm was tucked under his armpit

[safe jasper]

30% is enough.

funniestthing is, I always thought yuyu was much longer, turns out it was like 4 years or so. I remember reading it every chaptor in the jump mags

[ionic hemlock]

@signal ocean Wazzup. I beat you to it :)

[carmine scroll]

when I bought yu yuk hakasho, I only grabbed season/dvd pack 2 and 3, thinking him being dead was more than just 1-2 episodes, and 2 started in middle of amazing tournament arc. so i had to go back and get season/dvd pack 1.
then I found 4 at best buy for an actual good price, but i had forgotten my wallet and they closed soon. so I sped home on my bike and back again, and then didnt get around to watching it for a few months. lol
the episode I was waiting for was the LAST episode on 3. XD

[devout sequoia]

hi, what's the best channel to ask about home dedicated server help?

[pliant quarry]

#server-support probably :)

[devout sequoia]

hahaha derp, i don't see how I missed that in that section. thank you

[pliant quarry]

Nah you're good it's pretty far down the list

[graceful fjord]

It is definitely May now. The sun is out and I needed to bring out the fans.

[vital path]

Is there a channel for my game Wish List of features?
There is a lot of potential for this game as an SMO (small Multiplayer online) similar to Rust or 7DTD. a few changes need to be made (IMO) to do this. yes I worked on Asheron's Call and other games while in the old Microsoft games team in the 90s.

1. Base protection - similar to Rust (Cabinet), or 7DTD (Claim block) with permission to invite friends (Bonus would be expires if not able to play for XX days)

2. Each player can do the quest chain as group or solo - yes some will require a group but I should be able to find all the trades people for my base or if friends with someone share his trades people.

3. Mods - Mods help - start simple with weapon and armor mods - OR alternative are in-game mods from game maker that I can find and enhance a weapon.

4. Configuration file for server allowing me to control, number of players, lenght of day, dmg multiplier for Mob/Player, etc.

5. PVP zone or area - can be turned on/off in game config

6. Improved farming and loot management, including configurable stack sizes (server config file)

7. Player stats that can be seen in-game or leader boards (like Wow and other games) players like to brag and it does increase game play. example "Duncan was killed by acid from a X, this is Duncan's 3rd death today!" "first dungeon completed by Princess Leah with the help of TrollKing", etc.

I am sure there are more 🙂

[pliant quarry]

!upvote

[unborn sigil]

Future features can be voted on to show your interest on Feature Upvote!

Adding new suggestions is currently disabled, but please search one of the existing 2600+ suggestions and upvote/comment it, your idea is almost certainly in there already!

Created by random27#0 (787104841360736266)

[pliant quarry]

Not a channel, but that's where we're keeping track of the most popular player feature requests :)

First 5 are fairly common definitely heard those before, 6 not entirely sure what you're asking for, and 7 is a new one to me, but since our game's servers are hosted by players and the game isn't an MMO I'm not entierly sure how that'd work

[whole vigil]

Anyone know when the next update is?

[vital path]

so #6 - if you try and plan a large amount of anything it can be time consuming, maybe an upgrades planting tool that lets you plan a row or square of X seeds at a time. Stack sizes, being able to have 10K rocks vs 1000 rocks or even 1K logs instead of 250. one of the most common request in most games I play and forums is the ability to increase the size of all stacks other than unique items

[pliant quarry]

Generally we aim to have major updates every 2 months ish, last one was about a month ago, and we sprinkle in hotfixes and smaller patches in-between that when they feel appropriate.

We haven't given an exact date yet on when to expect the next major update though

[pliant quarry]

Ohh I gotcha, like being able to mod stack size limits. Makes sense

[noble gazelle]

Is the beastmaster line dookie butter or no?

[vital path]

Updates often are a great way to keep players engaged, nothing worse than a game that stagnates. I think the success of Rust was its constant updates and fixes

Question - I found a ring of 10% wood chopping but nothing for mining

[pliant quarry]

Could definitely use some love, but some players still seem to have a good time with it

[noble gazelle]

Sweet just checking to see if it was viable in any way ty

[pliant quarry]

I'm not sure if there's a mining one (yet?)

[gaunt moss]

Rust

[carmine scroll]

thanks for the video, it's not thst I dont like reading, it's that i dont like opening 50 tabs and clicking back and forth. >_>

[pliant quarry]

I also just posted a blog with all of them in plaintext :) (no links)

I tooootally didn't forget to include it in my initial post

[carmine scroll]

NICE

well this is good too!

ah yes. combat. please please please. melee fighters need some kind of good immunity to knockback/stun/attack interruption! XD

rats and skeletons are infuriating to deal with after a certain point.

[agile oar]

I think the next major update is scheduled for June. Toast beat me to it :screm:

[carmine scroll]

Radius-based loot pickup is something we have scheduled as a quality of life improvement as well :)
YES PLEASE. I HATE HARVESTING ALOE (not that I need to anymore. >_>) but also trees are a bit of a chore too lol

[gaunt moss]

so will it be possible in the future to climb steep hills? they're so slippery

[dusty dust]

Is it bad that I want to ship the survivors? And is it selfish that I really want the Blacksmith and Alchemist to hook up?

[pliant quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-26414884

[dusty dust]

well deserved...

[ionic talon]

Why is the new ama video all regurgitated ones from last week and they use one from last week twice in this week's what even is that tsk tsk

[pliant quarry]

That's... That's the entire point 🤔 It's a highlight of our favorite questions from the Reddit AMA we did lol

Or you mean the tiktoks? That's cause most people probably didn't see those

And there's still a lot more in this one than we had on those

[ionic talon]

I get it but they picked favorite question about ability and lvls 3 times and I meant the YouTube I haven't seen the toks yet I love you guys and your game I just feel thatay come off strange the same question answered twice this video and there's sprinkles of last week's in this one and same as last week ...not saying how to run your social media platforms just more or less given a heads up in case that was some kinda mistake

[pliant quarry]

Ah yeah, that's because the amount of views we get on our shorts/tiktoks is extremely low

Probably like 1/25th of what this video will get

So we did rehash some of them if you watched those

[ionic talon]

Tru only us die hards seeing these huh shame if it hit more people they'd be playing ...but ok trust u guys super excited this game is heading in great direction

[pliant quarry]

And yeah shorts/tiktok are honestly pretty experimental for us, it's difficult in general for most game studios to get much attention on those platforms

(it's the same videos on both)

[ocean anvil]

awaits new content

[pliant quarry]

Like this? #enshrouded-chat message

[tame seal]

I'd personally say this is a decidedly different game to rust though ^^

[pliant quarry]

Added chapters to the AMA video for the lazy folks amongst us

[ashen crypt]

It was good!

[noble gazelle]

Is there a way to fix map lag?

[vapid canopy]

Why not farmer and blacksmith; Carpenter and hunter? The alchemist and the newst npc.

[dusty dust]

I dunno, considering how much the Farmer talks about her precious Queen, I figured there was something up there... ;P

[astral hull]

Everyone knows the real couple is the blacksmith with the carpenter

[brittle iron]

[sturdy patio]

Imagine the beautiful kids that would result from some cozy-time between the Halls cyclops and a sicklescythe. Would be adorable.

[brittle iron]

I don't really want to imagine that

[vapid canopy]

about as adorable as the offspring of a Shar-pei and an avocado.

[sturdy patio]

Wym? Shar-peis are adorable! And they can deliver a very impressive amount of warm drool all over your shoes whenever you need it!

[brittle iron]

Very useful in a cold winter

[vapid canopy]

....read it again Andreas

[sturdy patio]

? You mean that a green, wrinkly, bumpy, oval, drooling Shar-pei with a mushy interior and a solid core wouldn't be adorable?

[vapid canopy]

only if it's the oddball of the species that is sweet and kind to you, but goes murder mode when something else is a threat to you.

[sturdy patio]

Avocados are deadly, so I have no doubt

[vapid canopy]

it was deadpool....i was making reference to deadpool..

[sturdy patio]

Never seen it, so I guess that's why I had no idea 🙂

[ashen crypt]

I think you misspelled that.. you meant delicious right?

[vapid canopy]

whelp your home work is to go watch deadpool one and two.

[sturdy patio]

Can't they be deadly and delicious at the same time? Like pufferfish!

[sturdy patio]

I'm an old man, I'll leave the Marvel universe to the youngsters of the world.

[ashen crypt]

never ate pufferfish.. i suppose an avocado could be deadly if you choke on it?

[sturdy patio]

Right! That stone cold killer in the middle is bad for your health.

[ashen crypt]

Your not old.. compared to a redwood tree! /nods

Its all about perspective!

[sturdy patio]

I'm half a century old almost!

[ashen crypt]

Youngster. I am almost 59.

I babysat kids your age =p

[vapid canopy]

pufferfish has to be to prepared by a trained sushi chef.

[sturdy patio]

Ok calm down now. You were baby sitting when you were 13? That's impressive

[ashen crypt]

(yes, we babysat without contracts, for a pittance compensation, usually because OUR parents wanted to hang out with THEIR parents)

I was babysitting at 9 lol for friends.

Remember us GenX were not coddled.. we played with Darwin Award style toys. If we survived those we could survive anything. Babysitting was a rite of passage.

[sturdy patio]

It's worse than that. You have to be specially certified, after a lengthy education, by the Japanese state to be allowed to even butcher a pufferfish. It's no joke that business

One wrong move and the hangman comes'a'knockin'

Tasty though

[ashen crypt]

I believe it. Not knowing what to do with sushi can~~ kill ~~unalive someone. Heck a raw morel in sushi just did

[vapid canopy]

yeah; I'm aware; i just condensed it.

[sturdy patio]

Scary as hell, but I lost a bet to a coworker many years ago when we were in Japan, so I had to try some, and it was actually delicious, but I'm never going through that gut wrenching terror again 😂

[dusty dust]

Have the lawn dart scars to prove it...

[ashen crypt]

I believe it!

[sturdy patio]

Eh, ouch? 😂

[ashen crypt]

I was pretty lucky, only one really bad accident when I was a kid, dog bite. No broken bones, though alot of sprained ankles, skinned knees and sunburn lol. All that outdoor time!

Pre computer.. i actually was.. GASP.. tanned!

Now its more like exiting a building in Enshrouded.. the sun.. the sun.. blinding! HISSS

[vapid canopy]

whats the gen in between Genx and millennial?? it's like a micro gen from 76 to 81, called? i'm in that gen lol

[sturdy patio]

The worst (or best, depending on how you look at it 🙂 ) thing we did as kids, was having actual war in my grandpas hay loft with air rifles and those sharp feathered darts you shot at target boards with. We all came through it with our eye sight intact for some reason.

[ashen crypt]

Ah my hubby and I did alot of paintball when we were first married back in the 1990s

was hella fun

[sturdy patio]

Gen X was born between 1965 and 1979/80 and is currently between 41-56 years old

So I'm firmly in that

[vapid canopy]

i'm 42

[sturdy patio]

46 here

[ashen crypt]

umm no i was born in 65 and am about to be 59 lol

my maths are right 😄

[viral scarab]

Sometimes it's weird to think about kids who have grown up never knowing a world where the internet doesn't exist.

[vapid canopy]

ah! Xennials

[sturdy patio]

Boomers = 1946-1964, gen x = 65-80, gen y (millennials) = 1981-1996, gen z = 1997 and 2012, and from there and current is gen a

[ashen crypt]

Oh yeah Zerax.. its mind boggling how things are so different. if I had been born after 2000 I would definately be into computer programming.

[vapid canopy]

and my years were off it's 77 to 83