👂┇game-feedback

[jolly aspen]

Yup
I don’t have it so I can’t verify myself but that’s what I’ve read 🥲

[hazy swallow]

I’m trying to find a solution to my fps problems. I used to get 100+ fps consistently(@ 1440p), but as of recently I’m stuck below 40-50. Is there a reason the game is running at such low FPS yet the cpu and gpu isn’t being utilized much??

[daring fossil]

if the game is cpu heavy, lowering settings doesn't make a difference. In fact, lowering settings puts MORE load on your CPU. lots of people don't understand this, but there is a chance that the game will actually run BETTER with higher graphics settings if you are bottlenecked.

@undone belfry oh, I do understand. You don't seem to, you're just mad you actually have to learn how to aim with a controller now. you don't "need" aim assist as strong as it was, just you and every other controller user have been catered to with over-tuned aim assist for so long you've become complacent and rely on it, just practice your aim skill and get good without it, then when you use it, it will benefit your pure aim and not aim for you. You know consoles also play against PC players right? so aim assist needed to be nerfed on PC and console. I grew up playing shooters on playstation and nintendo 64, we didn't have aim assist, and we didn't bitch cuz it was hard, we practiced and got good with the shitty controllers we had.

@light trench then if you're on console with crossplay turned off, what are you bitching about? You at least get a chance to play on a level playing field, if you can't hit anything now, that's a you problem, everyone else on console also has to deal with it and get better.

[languid raven]

Both of my buddies had something similar happen. I think one might have fixeed it by turning the game to Windowed mode, then back to Full Screen. Not sure if this will solve it though.

[lean barn]

aim assist scales exponentially with skill, it makes a very good player seem like they have aimbot and a bad player might not even notice it.

also nobody gives a fuck about aim assit on console. if you all want to aimbot each other over there you can. but you should not be able to force pc players to play agaisnt aim assist just cause you want to crossplay with pc or worse buy a pc dont want to switch to a skillful input. I dont hook up my guitar hero controller and expect to get aimbot because its a worse input. the only solution is input based matchmaking, aim assit will never be balanced because it depends far too much on the skill bracket.

[lavish shard]

-nerf recon/cloak dont kill it

• remove sbmm in qp
• nerf stungun
• remove healing beam by healing station
• nerf nuke

[echo flicker]

Would be cool if you could pick up grenades and throw them back

[clever hinge]

fr

[fresh rain]

proposed balance changes from some hot topics I've seen that I think will improve the game as a whole
LIGHT
invis: cooldown between activations separate from the main cooldown, would discourage running in, shooting and then immediately going invis for a mostly free escape
double barrel shotgun: increased reload time, increased pellet spread and reduced pellet dmg to make 1/2 shots on mediums and heavies harder/less common at full health
sniper: decreased hipfire accuracy OR a charge mechanic like sniper from TF2, would encourage more long range use as ALOT of the snipers I see are just running around hipfiring/quickscoping from shotgun range
MEDIUM
defibrillator: longer "charge" time or can't heal the rezzed player for a short period, would discourage situations where you rez in the middle of combat almost like the person never died
recon sense: increased time between pulses, decreased the "amount" of recon available but increased time enemies are visible, encouraging short burst uses like a personal sonar grenade
HEAVY
c4: increased weight of C4, explosive canisters fly slower and shorter with 1 or more c4 attached, making them more of a close range weapon and encouraging use of the other barrels, bad placement of C4 would also mess with the trajectory of the red can so placement and aim become a larger factor.
RPG: increased destruction dmg but decreased player dmg, RPG then becomes more of a on demand long range disruption tool rather than a free kill (should still nearly one shot lights however as lights can burst down heavies if unnoticed, so it's a mutual counter)

I dont think all of these should be brought into the game but alot of them (imo) address pain points I and others I've seen discuss these abilities/weapons/gadgets have. alot of the changes are meant to be less "number go up/down" and more mechanical changes, encouraging different types of gameplay I personally think would be healthier overall. this will probably be drowned out in a couple minutes anyway but hey, I love this game

[thorn elbow]

BAN SANDSTORM WORST MAP OF ALL TIME

[pliant hamlet]

So basically the game is too fast for u

[livid rapids]

I use apex as an example of a considerable data pool and also its most comparable to the finals right now.
and if you played multiplayer fps's for a long time u know , leaderboards cant be used for best players in the world or as a data pool . but since finals has been out only for a month , i get y u use best players from leaderboards .
but the devs are receptive hence trust what they are doing. Also many CC's compared Mnk and Controllers to show a difference, and I hooked my controller to my pc while in the game , never played ranked or bank it , just to see the AA and it was quite significant

[woven anchor]

thats about what i was able to take from that braindead proposal

[undone belfry]

Some people are so dumb like damn, they judge controller players while playing on pc with mouse and keyboard! Wtf are you guys on.

The devs cleary only Listen to the pc community. Yall whining about controller because you play mouse and keyboard and can't hit and tell me I need to get better? Wtf.

This game on console is done for.

Another dev that only cares about their pc playerbase. Those aim assist changes are not thought through. It was all fine on console. Now it's broken. And not only im complaining, every other console players is also!

Aim assist now is so unreliable. You want to snap and think it would slow down but it doesn't. And some times you want to snap and think it won't because of the Patch and then it does. Its So random. In every other game its consistent. It was consistent before the update. The biggest issue was not the snap, it was the auto aim to Center of players when zooming in. Thats what made it so strong. Just get rid of that. Not aim assist in General... man some people here.... they judge teritoriers where they dont play at and call the issue on US...

And for you devs:

Please for the Sake of god make separate patches for console and pc.

Turning down aim assist only helps pc player base. But the majority of console players are casuals. You will loose alot players when they can't hit in a shooting game because aim assist now is unconsistent. Tje good players are all using either xim matrix or cronus to have no recoil. We have the same recoil pattern as on pc. Controllers recoil is an issue by itself and now we dont have proper aim assist also...

Very Bad Patch for console community

[granite topaz]

Get better with the aim. Also a controller player.

[subtle oak]

Rest in peace snipers on console

[river flax]

PUNISH PEOPLE WHO LEAVE THE GAME. I SHOULD NOT BE THE ONLY PERSON IN THE GAME AGAINST A FULL TEAM. OTHER TEAM LEFT AS WELL.

[edgy siren]

They didn’t turn off the aim assist, they made it less strong. Sounds like you were too reliant on a very strong aim assist and now it’s a skill issue.

[shadow prairie]

You're so lazy you want something else to aim for you instead of spending hours upon hours of honing them yourself like pc players do... Pc players spend hours upon hours on aim labs and kovaaks or thousands of hours on games to aim consistently mean while anyone can plug a controller and get aim assist then use clips of some of the best players on keyboard and mouse to complain about how much easier it is and unfair. Trash go spend your hours on an aimtrainer if you're so bad,

[daring fossil]

the best players on the finals leaderboards were mostly all abusing rewasd to get aim assist on kb/m too, so that data is literally garbage. I also never play shooters with a controller, and I plugged my controller in, did some tests in the range and became even more disgusted with how easy it was to acquire targets and remain on them. I played one round of quick cash and my performance was almost the same as it normally is on kb/m which is absolutely egregious considering I have zero aiming skill with a controller, and 25 years of muscle memory and practice with a mouse.

@undone belfry the only dumb one I see here is you and all the other roller players crying that their precious aim assist was nerfed and they actually have to move their thumbs now and practice aiming like kb/m players have always had to do, you think using a kb/m just automatically makes you better? kb/m players often spend hours in aim trainers, I've never heard of controller players doing this. The Devs literally said they don't balance based on feedback, the feedback only makes them aware their might be a problem and then they balance based on actual data. I dont see how the game is done on console, when all you console players are literally on an even playing field with crossplay off. PC players are still forced to play against aim-assist even with crossplay off. like actually get good scrub.

[cunning stag]

I'm a sniper (quickscoper) and I never rely on zoom snapping, centering your shots before aiming in is more efficient, just saying.

I just HOPE that MnK players stop complaining now, cuz I can't even share a clip without getting the "aim assist" comment

[shadow widget]

Embark thank you for creating this amazing game the only thing I can think of that would need change is maybe a full auto setting for the controller players since it takes longer to spam click on controller but keep up the good work embark and have a good rest of your day

[ancient hare]

none of this addresses the fact that controller players are just statistically worse than MnK players in the finals. Ya'll aint thinking this through fr

also: "Try practicing your actual pure aiming skill, just like m/kb players have to do"

...is a p goofy take. put on your thinking cap, brother. It's literally impossible to get the same level of control with a tiny thumbstick that you can have with a mouse and mouse-pad the size of texas.

Again I see the reason for the nerf but it isn't the magnetism that's the issue ya'll. Magnetism still requires you to find your targets. Every FPS has this. Like all of them - and for good reason. Without it literally no one would play FPS games on controller.

But why do we have aim-snapping at all? That's what's weird. aim-snapping should have never been in the game. Yet it was barely touched with the nerf.

They hit the wrong thing

[livid rapids]

brotha , I have been lurking in this sub for a while now , most of them just complain , talk shit or spend most of their time here instead of the actual game itself or spend their time reacting with the clown emote and for once regarding AA u made a actual brain full of intelligence and experience statement , an actual good one with evidence.

[echo socket]

if they're worse they shouldn't get a free tool to fix that, they should have to play the game to get better

[undone belfry]

I swear all you guys are so hard to Deal with. How tf do you get a qim trainer on console and how does that aimtrainer help with the finals?? Every console game has a different aiming mechanic. Its not pc!! Just please shut up if you dont know a thing.... you guys just rant in controller while im here on console (I feel like the only console Player in this discord) am beeing nerfed because of you

@granite topaz ok inv me and show me how you play. Im seriously concerned. If you dint inv me you either arent on console or are not good. Also share your stats via Screenshot. Anyone can say anything here. I want proof.

@cunning stag sniping was a big issue. It aimed for you because aim centering was to strong. But everything else was ok, maxbe a little to strong but now it's definitely to weak and inconsistent

[pliant hamlet]

I also recommend that people be more understanding than to respond weirdly, everyone should have the ability to throw out their feedback, their feedback is strictly based on their gameplay no matter if they’re new, fairly experienced, bad, or great at the game, all suggestions should be respected

[quick coyote]

Dev!! keep going.
This patch is impressive.
Im looking forward your work.
Always late but done correctly.
You can make this game to god tier.

[granite topaz]

Tell me your ID. I mostly play casual games, not rankeds. This are my stats. More than 50% of the stats are from sniper. Tiptopexpert#9948 @undone belfry check dm

[daring fossil]

and if it becomes apparent that they nerfed it to much the other way, then they will adjust it later, you think they just changed it and this is how it will remain, use your brain. They said balance is never done.

@undone belfry
Every game has sensitivity settings no? you have like 50 things you can adjust for controller, you can make every single fucking game feel exactly the same. It's literally no different than just the SINGLE sensitivity slider mouse users have.

You can turn crossplay off and don't have to play against mouse and keyboard players AT ALL, you have the EXACT same advantages and disadvantages as every other console player. YOU are on a level playing field. WE are not, we can't just not play against controller players with aim-assist.
I'm no longer responding to you, you have the IQ of a gold fish and you're increasing my blood pressure.

[ashen canyon]

Idk why people are complaining about AA being too weak/strong rn when the patch just came out. 50% magnetism should not exist, it shouldn’t be at a point where you literally don’t need to move your right joystick. It’s too early to tell if 35% magnetism is still too high or low, but the snapping was a much larger issue and it’s good that it got some nerfs. Also another issue that isn’t really mentioned is that aim assist tracks for you at a 0ms reaction time, so you can’t strafe to take less damage, and controller completely outshines mnk when there’s a lot of visual clutter

[quick coyote]

Some of you really just got the red name rank from bickering in here, huh.

[tough kiln]

"100% attention seeking" because I shared my own opinion? Lol You can disagree without being an ass. Try it out for once.

[runic aspen]

I know it might be a minor issue
but could we be allowed to increase our mouse Sensitivity further please?
I play with fairly high sensitivity and due to how low the games maximum sensativity is locked at, I find it almost impossible to play with certain weapons or loadouts
Such as all forms of Melee
I cant turn my screen around fast enough

and yes I have Mouse Sensitivity and the Multiplier up to 100%
as well as my computer system having a faster mouse settings
and its still a little slower than what im used to in the other games I play 😅
(which is also because I dont have a lot of mouse space)

[shadow prairie]

Not to mention that there are actual aim trainers for console he's just coping hard.

[river flax]

My thing is, why is the main point that “if console wants to aimbot against each other then turn off crossplay.” Why can’t pc players turn off crossplay? Console players need crossplay to play with PlayStation and Xbox players. If the finals goes esports, then crossplay is off ANYWAYS. I’m not saying aim assist shouldn’t have been nerfed, but there shouldn’t be hostility towards other console players. Zoom snapping should’ve never been a thing, but pc players plugging in controllers is the REAL problem. If you’re complaining about console players, turn off crossplay!! It’s essential to us to play with friends on other consoles.

[subtle oak]

Besides all the aim assist arguing, sniping was fun on console before the patch with aim assist because the sniper isn’t that good.

But now it’s going to be a lot more difficult. Hopefully the sniper gets a small buff. It would be very useful to have a separate option to increase scope sensitivity for sniper alone and not for other guns when ADS.

Rip snap aim, it was fun while it lasted.

[crude compass]

Anyone else notice the game has issues with lag interp? Especially when Lights are sprinting around the room? You'll perfectly follow them and still not register hits. Reminds me of the lag interp issues with Scout in TF2 where the Baby Face Blaster run buff made them so fast, their hitbox actually lagged behind OUTSIDE of the character model.
@subtle oak I wouldn't worry too much, there will be more patches and adjustments if it does make it unusable. The problem is before you could "360 noscope" with it like the AWP. And people were sprinting around sliding and destroying ppl in close range like it was a shotgun bc of that as well.

[shadow widget]

@stoic oasis Tf did you pull that statistic out of

[quick coyote]

Rainbow 6 Siege does not have any aim assist in online PvP for controllers. Like zero. And yet it does fine. It does very well actually.

As for whether removing aim assist will be fine with The Finals' controller users I frankly don't know, lol

[severe linden]

Can we stop getting put in games that are already almost over lol

[golden cave]

Add kbm plzzzz

[flint fossil]

I hope they fix the ranked game modes so that u don't have to play against diamond ones as a bronze 3

[undone belfry]

Bro wtf are YOU TALKING ABOUT!?? you dont know shit about console settings. What are you saying with every game can feel the same???? Cod and r6 have way different aim mechanics for example, same as the finals!! Please why are you repsonding to me when you just talk trash...

@granite topaz I will admit you played good. But i want to see shotgun plays. The smg has no recoil and sticks. Its not that aim assist reliant. The other weapons are fine. Just shotgun is not

Medium shotgun. And ill try the smg then next time

[radiant adder]

please fix the annoying environment noise when u finish a round while waiting in lobby, dont fancy listening to ailen bombing my ears while waiting

[umbral halo]

Spawns: More/random locations. People who have been no life-ing know every spawn and pre fire/utility dump as teams spawn back in

[granite topaz]

i don't play with shotgun. I don't think i even used it yet. i can play it for you next game dw. which one do you want me to play? light or medium? Btw, the smg does have a lot of recoil try it yourself. The m11 does.

[eternal apex]

Thumb bot gets nerfed and all the .4kds in here going ballistic

[proper patio]

Hello, i cannot sent picture, but there is memory GPU leak with 7900XTX. Onto las vegas, i went from 100FPS to 7 permanant

[daring fossil]

I've been in here since the closed alpha. I had over 300 hours in the game before it even came out. but I was only orange until recently.

@crude compass YES. I get killed when im 2-3 feet behind a corner already ALL the time and constantly miss shots on moving players that are dead on. It's because everything is server-side

@river flax pc players can turn crossplay off, but PC players can and do still use controllers, the only fix is to have a separate input-based match-making option

@quick coyote not really, but there was only me and one other red talking, so how else am I supposed to take it?

[ashen canyon]

Aiming in the finals is very similar to apex, and in that game controller dominates because of overturned AA. Some of the best pros switched because it gives too big of an advantage close range where strafing is important to take less damage. Longer TTK + visual clutter + fast paces movement makes controller way more consistent that mnk, and this is only amplified the higher skilled the lobby is

[midnight seal]

Please add mouse and keyboard support on every platform so there can finally be fair gameplay to make it actually fun to play the game.

[lean barn]

atleast controller players will realize how toxic invis is now that aim assist wont track them

[quick coyote]

You took it personally huh lol

[pliant rock]

I got around that issue by putting the game in high priority. Sadly easy anti-cheat complicates the procedure a little bit since it blocks priority changes from task manager. When you find out how to raise priority using .reg files the .exe of the game will be Discovery.exe.
heres a windows help page about this: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-to-permanently-set-priority-processes-using/2f9ec439-5333-4625-9577-69d322cfbc5e

edit: dont put priority on maximum cus it will make alt tab-ing painfully slow

[crude compass]

I knew the destruction was server-side was the big difference in this one. But hits being calc'd on server side was normal I thought? And also that's why lag interp matters and that causes those situations: On your screen you were already 3ft behind the wall, but on their screen they still saw you when they took their shot.

[obsidian solar]

I'm a controller player and i'm extremly happy about the AA nerf, getting beamed 100 meters away by idiots that gets carried by AA is extremly annoying

[undone belfry]

Yeah but thats not a controller issue. Its crossplay. Noone on console is whining. I only see pc players complain and the devs respond to them without thinking about console

@granite topaz holy shit your aim still snaps and stuff. It doesn't for me with shotgun but all other guns

The smg is still snapping for me. Only not the shotgun as in the Patchnotes.

I mean the guy flew to the Airlines and you perfeclty snapped onto him. I know that cause I used to do that to. But well. I guess I need to live with it thanks to pc dudes.

Nah all good. Thanks for showing. You are good. I just wanted to see if you are some random pc Player accusing to be a console one.

Medium shotgun was so good. I always had 15 kill games. My main acc has something like a 2.5 KD, and a 50%+ win rate... But I guess I was used so much to the snap Feature. I play on max sense because it's more fun.

You dont need to thanks! You already prooved that you're good 🙂 and a console Player. You have all the rights now to tell me im wrong etc. But not the other dudes on pc...

Thanks!you too. IG you also play solo queue only though? Cause thats what I always do

But well let me see you sniping. As it got also nerfed.
If you have time just for fun

[cunning stag]

I just wanna say...why do MnK players talk as if aiming with a mouse is the same thing as aiming with a stick? It's literally not the same, controller players need some kind of help, they use just a thumb, why don't you guys understand that? It's not the same!!!!. I'm a MnK player on cod and Fortnite, but I'm forced to use controller in this game because it doesn't support kbm on consoles, so I know what I'm saying, using a thumb to aim is not cool at all. An entire arm vs a stick, is that fair to you MnK players?

[granite topaz]

It's not a snap. try to wait your shots till you know it will hit them. Btw: something else you want to check? Not heavy cuz i only have 4 games and don't want to play more. Reminder: never play with medium shotgun again i did not like that experience. When he was in the air i just tried to center the crosshair to his body, then i aimed and shoot. kinda like quickscoping. I can stream for you if you want to see my inputs. ok then. GL with your games.🫡 I like to soloq but i try to find people to play from the -lfg

[teal epoch]

I wanted a changed for aim assist hat off for that, but i fell like playing on controller is absolute trash right now, i just think they destroyed playing on console right now

[ancient hare]

Look, it's clear that most of ya'll don't have a lot of experience using a controller in FPS games. I understand that in concept AA sounds silly but there are dif types of AA. Recoil smoothing is AA but no one here is gonna advocate for removing that. The game needs to feel good to play. This is my whole argument.

Ya'll in chat would have been just as happy with a more global aim-snapping nerf that didn't touch magnetism.. which would have made way more sense.

Now, we still have the cheesiest form of controller AA with a nerf to the thing that makes controller feel good for people who can actually find their targets.

Even if you think controller AA should be removed completely (which is crazy imo), wouldn't you agree that the game finding your targets for you when you ADS (like actual aim-bot) is worse than if the game only helped you stay on target?

[daring fossil]

movement is also server-side (no other game does this) so that everyone reacts to the server-side destruction the same way, which makes interpolation even harder to tune. in the beta's input lag was a big issue because of this, on release input lag isn't really a problem anymore so they changed something (also why I think CPU usage changed so heavily between OB and release). I didn't get killed running behind cover in the beta's nearly as often as I do now.

@cunning stag controllers do need some assistance to compete with kb/m we ALL agree on that. The problem is aim assist in the last decade or has been WAY over-tuned giving controller players an actual advantage over kb/m (unless you are an aim-god like shroud). most kb/m players would also agree that you can't balance aim assist to be fair in either direction, so we'd rather just not play against controller players at all. aim assist back in the day only used to slow down input when the crosshair was over a target so you could make finer movements with the same stick input, now it tracks and basically aims for you, which leads to controller players becoming over-reliant on it and they don't actually get good at just raw aim. also, I always see this argument from console players saying we get our entire arm, most people don't use their whole arm to aim, there's a reason Im getting carpal-tunnel.

@ancient hare I played one game with controller and my performance was almost on par with my normal performance with kb/m. I have zero skill playing shooters on a controller, and 25+ years experience playing shooters with a mouse. it was broken.

[ashen canyon]

people only see it from their perspectives, having the game basically aim for you isn't fair, but no AA also isn't fair. The easiest solution is to just add input-based matchmaking, but it's also ok for one input to have advantages over another. Pre-patch, AA was so overtuned that aiming in general was significantly better on controller than pc (without rewasd) to the point that in some cases, you couldn't tell the difference between aimbot and AA, and gunfights were 80/20 in favour of controller

[livid rapids]

BROTHER , these devs are not new to the fps genre , there are few ex-DICE employees and other fps masterpieces , battlefield and many more.
if they think it is not necessary and over tuned , trust them

[midnight seal]

I dont think there is any reason for not adding mouse and keyboard support on consoles if there is any kind of crossplay with pc. So just give it to everyone or remove it for everyone.

[broken lake]

please give us the option to turn off the melee aim assist. I hate it when my dagger locks onto a shoulder and then I get fucked

[crude compass]

Okay, so if I play against someone who has a terrible ping to the server, then essentially all bets are off as to where their hitbox actually is. Wonderful.

@cunning stag It's normally not an issue bc matchmaking was historically separated. But since Crossplay is supposed to be the default way to matchmake, then the balance of it matters a lot more. It used to be they simply didn't crossplay bc the console players would get destroyed without the AA. But more recent games such as COD Vanguard introduced crossplay and aggressive AA for controller. This led to scoreboards essentially being dominated by controller. There is a point where you can have the two together fairly IMHO, but it will be a work in progress.

[regal estuary]

CRAZY high amount of cpu usage to the point where my game is cpu limited and my gpu is only at around 70 percent...... it uses like 50 percent of my 16core r9 5950x.....why? its does not need to use that much of my proccessor... and this isnt even at high or ultra settings either! with ray tracing turned off...anyone know why?

[light cobalt]

Tbh there should be a cross platform on/off option. Then ppl who complain won't have to deal with aim assist lobbies.
The greatest issue solved 😂

[echo socket]

people play on pc with controller

[south harbor]

I don’t mind the aim assist nerf but now I feel like there’s almost none

[cunning cedar]

I'm a controller player myself, I play FPS games without AA since years. I'm don't have issues to compete with MnK players. I'm not saying no controller player needs AA, i'd say for the majority it's needed but not in this overtuned state it was pre-patch.
this nerf is very good, and definitely not too harsh, it isn't aimbot like anymore but still strong enough

[daring fossil]

pretty sure this is why some games I can't hit the broad side of a barn with a revolver and other games I can't miss. I used to think it was because of the weapon/crosshair sway, but that's not a huge issue anymore on release since they updated the animations. Although the revolver still has a random chance of missing at range even if you are completely still and aiming at a stationary target (tested in range). it's just exacerbated by players with high ping.

@light cobalt there is, we can turn crossplay off on PC (which is nice, can't do that on COD) but PC players can and do use controllers, we need an input-based matchmaking option to be able to avoid controller players entirely.

@regal estuary turn graphics up to lessen the load on CPU. Most of my 13700k cores only sit around 20-30% but 2 cores will use 40-50

[dire ice]

M&K Players: “every player using a controller should lose to every player with a mouse. If not then it’s aimbot”

I saw this on another chat, had me in bits 🤣

Also ignore anyone who is happy about this patch, they are M&K players looking for easier games on Crossplay, believe me, they would be playing with it off otherwise.

This patch makes no sense to anyone who is on console at 60fps, with no desk or any other option to use a M&K, simply revert the changes to before, minus the Invisible Aim Assist issue and WASD cheating for M&K toggling aim assist.

If PC players don't like it, then just turn Crossplay off, just like Console players are now doing with the latest patch. The sad thing is, I'm a PC player and this makes my friends experience way worse, who is on a 60hz monitor and having to crossplay through his Series X.

Get a feeling if this isn't reverted even slightly, all your Controller players off PC and Console will be swiftly leaving. Me and my mate have already decided to strike/not play until they at least patch it.

[tame pivot]

The final round of tournaments should be named The Final instead of final round

[ancient hare]

even assuming that your anecdote is true, I 100% guarantee that the snapping made a much bigger difference than anything else.

Again I'm not saying it didn't need to be tuned back - I'm saying they tuned the wrong thing.

And all of this still doesn't change the fact that - from what we can see - the best players in the world are by a huge margin on PC+MnK. Which is fine - don't get me wrong, but it does lend itself to my point

[rancid skiff]

As a M&KB player I have found it funny how salty others are getting at the AA. You have this group that is so full of their superiority that game devs went "oh shoot better even the field then" only for that group to cry about it. I am convinced these people wanted to stomp others, not have good fights.

[daring fossil]

and again, "most" of the best players in the world (leaderboards-wise) on m/kb were abusing rewasd for aim-assist and using recoil scripts. either way, if the data shows they nerfed it to hard, they will adjust it later.

@dire ice 95% of people on PC using m/kb already have crossplay off, it doesn't stop PC players from using controllers... at least if you turn crossplay off on console, you are on an even playing field with other consoles. pc players always have had to deal with hundreds of different configurations, people not having good pcs not able to perform as well as people with higher-end pcs, console people didn't even know this struggle until crossplay became a thing.

@rancid skiff and not just stomp others, but do it with very little effort.

[regal estuary]

https://i.imgur.com/JJntSYR.png https://i.imgur.com/prcNK7m.png https://i.imgur.com/TjxtveK.png https://i.imgur.com/3Wp8oad.png all setting presets including rt (ultra, high, med, low) they ALL have cpu usage through the roof... and no im running nothing in the backround @daring fossil i dont get this in any other game... it does decrease my cpu usage if i use higher graphics settings but only by a few percent... and @wary sapphire the point is my cpu has 16 cores... and its using 50 percent of them...so 8....is your cpu at 100 percent when playing?.... let me bring it back to my point... my point it ..it uses WAY too much cpu..... at low settings it uses more than 50 percent! no other game is like this....maybe cyberpunk...but that at least makes sense

[wary sapphire]

I switched to a ryzen 7 5800x3d and im fine now with cpu usage. Had a none x3d before and it made a huge difference
@regal estuary its round 50 percent but u gotta check the single core usage in coretemp for example. The amount of cores dont matter
@regal estuary ye the game isnt really performing well in general

[undone belfry]

You dont know about stuff like xim or cronus max. The best players in the world use aim assist WITH mouse and keyboard movement. Only aim assist doesnt make you win all games. Its having no recoil, aim assist and mouse and keybaord movement all together, aka xim or cronus

[dire ice]

Not actually 100% true, M&K can still be used on Series X and PS5, so either way the debate will still be an issue and people (if they wanted) could still abuse M&K. The main issue really, was the tracking of invisible players and the WASD AA cheaters. Other than the cheaters (ON PC) ruining the fun for everyone else, the AA didn't need to be touched so drastically.

(AS I KNOW PEOPLE CAN'T READ AND HAVE THEIR OWN AGENDA, HERE IS WHAT I MEANT BY NOT TOUCHED SO DRASTICALLY)

Turn magnetism down to 40% and test. aswell as reducing slow down/snapping by half.

This was a stupid thing to patch without doing it incrementally. The only reason PC players are happy is that they can now STOMP lobbies. End of my feedback 👍🏻

[tame pivot]

Nah snap aim assist was so strong you literally had controller sniper main playing CQC

[ashen canyon]

Having 50% magnitism + aim snapping and saying AA didn't need to be touched is crazy

[velvet hearth]

So much copium in the chat about the officially developed Embark cheats being nerfed. Input based matchmaking is about the only way to really make people happy if you don't want to remove aim assist entirely.

[crimson egret]

Yes. It was infuriating but somewhat hilarious at the same time

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E S A L R E A D Y

[astral abyss]

The snap aim assist needed to go. That was bad. It's the heavy nerf to rotational AA that makes tracking feel bad now. A game with such a ridiculously long TTK needs more rotational AA than what we have after the nerf.

[acoustic jungle]

they wont do it, the devs want to move away from a skill based game

[fleet quest]

@hollow prawn could we pls get a prime type matchking or some sort? 30$ for prime get the cheaters runnin.

[half pagoda]

Sniper = Headshot = One Shot

[lament talon]

Ranked is too easy you literally don't loose any points.

It's more of a leveling system other than competitive

[tight verge]

maybe pop up and aim trainer if you feel like your aim needs work. Us mnk players who want to get better actually practice mechanics. I know thats a foreign concept to many roller players (didnt mean that in a condescending way sorry) but just like real sports you gotta practice to be at a high level of play.

@rancid skiff 👇 then that's what sbmm is for. If you are bad, you will be put with other players of your skill level. And this game can be enjoyed casually even against better players. People need to learn how to have fun in other ways than winning.

[native sparrow]

TFLA0002 all over again. How can such an important function like logging into id.embark be so broken all the time... Clowns at Embark 😂

[jade void]

Please work on the knife and the sniper, it can't be that I need 4-6 hits to kill someone. Also the same with the sniper, head should ALWAYS be onehit.

[carmine ginkgo]

bro if they just give us input based matchmaking then they can set the AA value at WHATEVER they want coz everyone’s playing the same game why is it so hard i don’t get it Activision has already done it😭

[rancid skiff]

Most people want a game, not a second job

[crude compass]

It's amusing how the moment the shoe is on the other foot, it's a major issue to them and want it reverted ASAP, but never consider this is exactly how PC players were feeling playing until yesterday. That said, it's small consolation for the moment, but they will continue to tweak AA I'm sure. I'm a PC player and I'm not against AA for controller bc I understand it's a necessary evil for the game to feel good to play, but it was definitely not tuned well and probably still needs more tuning.

IMHO they should just enable some level of AA for PC and Console then, that way everyone can equally feel like Parkour John Wick™
And if they don't allow KBM for console, then they should.

[daring fossil]

I do know about xim and cronus' they ruined warzone until they got banned, Rewasd is essentially a software version of those devices, it gave kb/m players controller aim-assist, plus anti-recoil scripts. The same shit xim and cronus does.

@dire ice not in this game though, this game doesn't have m/kb support on consoles, so that isn't relevant here. if you turn crossplay off on console, you are on a level playing field you CANNOT get on PC even with crossplay disabled.

[quick coyote]

AA nerf is good
The finals aa was strong
Just use this one now dont cry
Dev you are doing good

[valid saffron]

My issue is that turning off crossplay doesn’t turn on controller input pc players. If you bought the pc then play the fucking input. I don’t understand why we cater to an inferior input. Apex found this out when everyone switched to controller… now they cannot nerf it because it will nerf 70-80% of the player base (bad for retention of players)

[smoky storm]

All gun sight sway removed during ADS,stay centered on screen,ironsights included

Healing beam is interrupted for 1/4-1/3 second if target takes bullet dmg.help prevent mercy healbotting cosplay.environmental/gas/fire dmg does not trigger cd

Remove/nerf Recon: #👂┇game-feedback message
Replace Recon with Defib as a specialization, or nerf defib

Turret(potentially other gadgets) hitbox fix(bullets go through gaps gives turret greater than intended EHP)

Glitch nade explodes on impact with shield, player, or equipment.otherwise regular fuse

double barrel shotty nerf

1.5-2x Dash range
2 charges of grapple hook

Gadget/C4/RPG Nerf:#👂┇game-feedback message

Option for "sprint always enabled" / auto sprint, or sprint/sliding interaction reworked(Please see this video, where it is described in detail https://youtu.be/tdOKEgrwZHc)

Option for more neutral background colors, too vibrant, causes eyestrain

Please give alternate team colors, colors are hard to distinguish

Allow for separate Jump/Vault keybinds on MNK

Allow access to the keybinds config file for improved keybind options

Using scroll wheel for jump/vault causes inconsistency, please fix/address

Improve subregion matchmaking(always low ping)

built in performance and network indicators FPS, ping, packet loss

Input based matchmaking(no raw input/aim assist mixing).Full MNK support for console.This is probably the most important thing for longterm MNK playerbase - please dont be another apex, cod, halo which becomes controller dominated and unplayable as mnk!Gyro(no AA)can play with MNK

solo ranked queue w/ forced 1L1M1H team and role queue(separate ladder to current ranked)

In ranked mode, all teams start with 10k, instead of 0(more stakes when fighting early)

Option to disable TAA and all anti-aliasing(I beg!)

Reduce gas and dust particle opacity

ladders do not autoclimb

[gleaming helm]

aa vs mnk debate is cringe as a whole

[hazy swallow]

thank you for your response! check your dm's I have a question about the hex priority level!

[sharp belfry]

If a full stack of heavies is going to be an option then med. should also have access to glitch grenades.

[regal estuary]

cpu usage particulay... all 8 cores on low everything... what a joke... also ive unlocked everything... these points i get after every match are useless

[raven atlas]

Can we start a thread of known xim users so we can get them banned?

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V N U K E A N D R E C O N İ D İ O T S

[astral abyss]

Console players don't have access to aim trainers, first off. Second - no amount of practice will make this current AA feel good. If your reticle is constantly popping in and out of the AA bubble no matter how cracked your aim is, it's just not fun. I dropped two 25 bombs in pubs this morning after the nerf, and while it proves a decent roller player can still put up numbers...it just didn't feel great. The weak rotational AA combined with the long ass TTK makes for a very janky feeling experience. That's the point I was trying to make. It's a feel thing. I can't see myself grinding the game in it's current state. Maybe when I buy a new PC though. M&K would be better than this current controller experience.

[quick coyote]

Embark do stupid thing.
Its giving a strong AA to them.
Giving good thing and take them away is feels bad.
And they start to cry.

[tame pivot]

Dude really said ''I still get 20+ kills games but controller is bad''

[undone belfry]

U on pc or console?

[daring fossil]

yes they do, since 2020. or you could play against bots in COD, we all know you guys all play COD

[stray saffron]

copium demand at an all time high

[fleet quest]

let the controller players have their aim assit, just ban the players and software that allow MnK playesr to access that AA and remove crossplay.

[lean barn]

aim constantly popping in an out of the players hitbox, so you mean exactly how mnk players play naturally?

[tired belfry]

AA changes were a solid measured response. 👍
Glad to see software to spoof controllers on M&K are getting addressed.
Very happy to see the changes were made by listening to the community then following up after by looking at the data and seeing if the communities worries were actually founded instead of just making a snap judgement change.
Great patch keep tweaking it and I'm sure everyone will be happy eventually, right now there is just a lot of knee jerk reactionaries. Can't wait for next weeks "big patch" 👀

[still willow]

Invis needs a hard nerf, so do turrets, rpg, mesh shield, and stun gun being way too easy to use and basically guaranteeing a kill. Aim assist is not that bad on console at all and this recent patch just made shotguns borderline useless on consoles. PC players need to learn to stop crying and being little bitches about everything to do with fps games whereas controller players need to admit that sometimes, aim assist actually can be too strong. However, the finals is not one of those games. That is all.

[crimson egret]

I am sorry you feel bad dropping 25bombs. I trully wish you can keep aimbotting others on console. My problem is only with people on PC entitled to AA. Fuck them. There is no way I can play against raw input only and its infuriating

[keen steppe]

Light:
Should get faster regenration out of combat to improve their harass-playstyle.

Someone else mentioned a stimshot item which could also work out instead of changing the regen timer. Maybe even make it so you can choose to give that stim to a teammate instead of using it only on yourself.

The sniper could use some love aswell. Not too sure about in what way tho, since that could easily make it too strong. Some experimentation with firerate might be a good first step imo.

M11 is in a weird spot too, it technically is slightly stronger than the xp-45 up close but overall still significantly worse. Maybe enhance the close-range capabilities even more so there is a clear difference between the two.

Sword should be able to hit multiple opponents with the charge attack. (The reverse of heavies hammer)

Medium:
After getting resurrected by defib you should not have invulnerability.

If you get defibbed as a medium you should have your own defib go on cooldown to prevent chain defibs.
OR
Make it so defib isnt instant but just significantly shortens the regular revive-time. Like a sped up version of the normal revive where youd have to keep facing the downed-player trophy.

In addition a reduced effect for multiple healing beams on the same target would be good aswell. One beam heals for 100%, two beams would heal for more than 100% but less than 200%.

A change for recon sense also wouldnt hurt. Maybe make it so it functions similar to thermal vision of light. Where you have to pull out a tablet to activate it and it stays activated for a set amount of time and goes on cooldown afterwards. Also make it pulse every 5 seconds instead of a continuous vision. Each pulse would outline enemies for 1.5 seconds.

Heavy:
Hammer horizontal swings should be able to hit multiple opponents. (The reverse of lights sword)

Performance:
Some performance and optimization improvements are very needed aswell.

[junior ridge]

Remove dead go boom, it's braindead how melee players suddently become useless because of an unavoidable bomb. And a light player can oneshot a team by jumping into all of them and dying.
Remove quick cashouts, the 4th place team getting 22k because all other teams are mid fight on the other side of the map is bs luck.

[faint sundial]

I think the tracking dart has great potential usability, but it's mechanic makes it so unappealing. I personally think it would be a great idea to turn the tracking dart into a tracker trap, where triggering the trap sticks a tracker to the target for a set amount of time. Nobody wants to take up a whole utility slot for an item that they have to shoot while doing so little

Pyro grenades also need a radius buff. If you hit a cashout with a pyro, the burning radius doesn't even hit someone from stealing most of the time. It has become useful mostly for clearing gas, and sometimes useful if you hit REALLY close to or directly on someone. Inversely, gas grenades and mines could maybe use a radius decrease, but I'm less firm on that

[swift skiff]

Go touch grass

[quick coyote]

How do go from "people can play heavies" to "so medium should have glitch grenades" lmao

[sharp belfry]

By thinking critically, of course. If there are 3+ heavies, why might you need a glitch grenade?

[fringe burrow]

honestly they should just make dead go boom make the players drop a frag grenade or something so they have time to run away, it feels awful to clutch up on a last minute cashout and then you get wiped because the last player you fight explodes and leaves nobody alive lol

[tight verge]

If "decent" roller players can drop 25 bombs theres still a problem 💀

[regal estuary]

im confused what are "nukes"?... ive had 0 issues with that why is everyone so bothered

[marsh musk]

When you put C4 on a canister and detonate it, does tons of damage

[astral abyss]

By decent I mean I'm top 0.4% for k/d in fortnite zero build and top 0.9% for wins right now. I'm pretty well above average. We'll see how this nerf effects the controller community as a whole in time.

[carmine ginkgo]

there are no mnk players in console lobby

[lethal chasm]

ADD KILL CAM!!!!

[daring fossil]

a single fire barrel with 2 C4 can wipe entire teams with one button press, heavies can also throw props 3x as far as the other 2 classes. It can kill a light from like 15 feet away.

@carmine ginkgo there is if they turn crossplay on

[sonic spoke]

Thank you for Patch 1.4.1

[supple swan]

@keen steppe I like the burning of your defib if someone rezs you. But the bene to that should be rezzed full health when yours is consumed along with person picking you up

[quick coyote]

Im using my old drawing tablet for shooting.
Can i get strong aim assist then controllers?😭

[tulip forge]

im using this thick pen mouse thingy that i found in my moms nightstand, it vibrates when i get shot but no other input detected

[exotic bough]

You need to nerf fast the C4 you loose player because of it, really

[crimson egret]

Found REWASD rat

[stray saffron]

YOUR AIM SUCKS YOU TRASH PLAYER YOUR K/D WILL DIE

[zenith terrace]

Still waiting on Linux support. I definitely play far less than I otherwise would because of the need to reboot just to play this one game.

[edgy plank]

Guys can we play keyboard ans mouse on ps5 pls ?

[junior ridge]

The bomb blows up after like 2 sec so it isn't insta but the range is so high that you will get one shot no matter what. My teammate who wasn't anywhere close to the fight got one shot last game I played.

[dusky yoke]

ReWASD users already found a workaround to get it functioning again. FYI

[daring fossil]

my problem with dead go boom is that it always activates out of the blue while im already in a fight, and I've actually had it activate RIGHT AFTER I killed someone, and they still blew up and killed me.

[undone belfry]

Rewasd isnt the issue, cause one can block that process (easy Anti cheat does it for process hacker for example) xim is... and with xim apex this cheap everyone and their moms can run it.

Xim cannot get you banned because it isnt a Software. It detects a controller.

[quick coyote]

Yeah, that's kinda how the events turn on.

[carmine ginkgo]

yeah but u don’t run into them often tbh, i play on pc and 95% of the people i q are on steam, the matchmaking priorities people of the same platform

[blissful crescent]

Give the heavy a 50cal sniper

[merry sparrow]

remove receiving minuspoints if your 3rd teammate just doesnt join from the begining.

[tulip forge]

thats some viatnam flashback stuff

[astral abyss]

I'm on console. You?

[turbid gate]

firs thing is first. THANK YOU DEVS!!!!

[cedar fulcrum]

oh theanks

[spice nacelle]

12 days later and still getting 0002 error. Any devs that can tell me wtf is wrong?

[vestal nova]

Shoots through walls and onetaps lights to the body

[sharp belfry]

I should call the old explosive mine 😢

[blissful crescent]

Exactmundo

[quick coyote]

Add a channel for controller and mnk users to fight in and have extremely civil discourse.

[smoky storm]

I will take that fight, let's go

[daring fossil]

xim can be detected, because COD's anti-cheat can detect cronus and xim and banned anyone using them.

@quick coyote yeah, so im saying some warning would be nice.

@carmine ginkgo I get roller players on my team basically every single time I solo queue on pc.

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E F U C K İ N G N U K E S A N D U P D A T E W E A P O N S

[grave salmon]

REMOVE THE ACTUAL CHEATERS STRIKE THERE YOUTUBES OR SOMETHING

[lethal chasm]

Let us vote for the weapons we want to add. And add kill cam pls

[regal estuary]

more scoped weapons, like a dmr or a battle rifle

[quick coyote]

TY for AA nerf first off,

It would be nice to be able to convert VRs to coins once you hit 3k, after finishing the battlepass there are no rewards for 60 days.

[woven chasm]

Yo, nice website

[broken lake]

also make it so light can hold the dagger backstab, and give us an option to turn melee aim assist off

[scarlet badger]

thank you, you have no idea how happy that message makes me

[quick coyote]

@quick coyote great news about reWASD AA being disabled, hopefully no cat and mouse. Perhaps it would be worth discussing removing AA from PC entirely, but keeping it on Console?

[undone belfry]

Also console, most people talking here are on pc so well we are the "issue"

The devs won't Listen to US because their voice is louder.

@daring fossil bro believes everything. Xim doesn't run any Software on your pc.. how to would it detect it...
Also you have no chance to ban xim players on console. Ive never heard people getting banned for xim and I played alot of siege. And trust me everyone reports there because everyones toxic

[meager wagon]

disable crossplay if you want a fair controller v controller fight, use keyboard and mouse if you want to play a competitive fps properly

as long as either input method doesn't get away with some free artificial skill boost I'm happy

[quick coyote]

Considering the fact that we didn't just make control adapters not have AA, and instead did that and adjust AA, I don't think you can really claim that "we won't listen to the community".

Second game I've seen listen to people right away about AA issues. My faith is mostly restored.

[silent berry]

What's your stance on Engagement Optimised Matchmaking (EOMM)?

[waxen granite]

is there a reason why ive been getting kicked randomly from matches sometimes? It started happening after the christmas update and its really annoying. Im not using cheats and it dosent happen all the time, but its happens enough to where its annoying. should i disable nividia replay? i have a wireless mouse and hedset.

[quick coyote]

Personally, with most things I think it's fine in moderation. The way Call of Duty uses it exclusively to drive up buying cosmetics isn't healthy or good for the gaming community. Using it just so that people have good games if they lose a few isn't bad, as long as it's not being directly driven into a monetization scheme.

[mild owl]

your copium levels are astronomical lol pls stop

[trail pewter]

the exp that you get from contracts doesnt go to your weapon's exp progression right? whats the point of contracts after max bp and account level?

[regal estuary]

with the black skin colour there is a colour difference between his neck and body https://i.imgur.com/ZEGjWJA.png... how had no one noticed this yet

[upper citrus]

is this where cod gives you easy lobbies if you buy a skin

[scenic kiln]

Has anyone here mentioned the sound issues the game has?

• Footsteps are quiet and the directionality is almost non-existant even with 7.1 surround sound.
• Announcers talking has some weird occlusion thing that makes all other sounds quieter which is horrible for a shooter.

[livid shell]

Remove C4 nukes, don't let them stick on cannisters and objects

[carmine ginkgo]

I know they’re common im mainly a controller player too im just saying console players are rare

[tropic tiger]

in the edit-menu, could we get a tiny little level-indicator in the top right/left corner of all the items so we dont have to go to the equipment-page to check how far we've leveled something up?

[undone belfry]

Crossplay is already console only!!

Its only pc when a pc player is in lobby.

We console players get hit by you guys complaining about controller...

Im all for lowering aim assist but disaabling it on the Mediums shotgun... nah man.

@mild owl wow bro uses the Word copium which he learned from toxic community bravo, why do you respond when it hurts you?

@quick coyote
Well you only listened to the pc side of the community. Noone cried about aim assist on console... also why did you guys nerf the Mediums shotgun? Like it wasnt even meta or close. Even the Pro players said its bad... it was just pure fun, every fcar player outplays shotgun.. now medium shotgun on console doesn't have any chance
It seems like you guys just hit everything so pc players are not crying anymore..

@quick coyote yeah zoom snapping is needed with how tight the Pellets are. Pro pc players even struggle to hit. Also it wasnt even in the complaining List. Why nerf something that doesn't need a nerf?

@quick coyote
You still dont understand. The Hits are not the issue. The issue is listening to pc only and changing console enviroment without it beeing needed! Also why remove aim assist for mediums shotgun? And also why dont Patch it for pc only? No console player complained. You guys made the game just more competitive for every casual that wanted to Rock non fcar. Fcar still feels the same. Its beams. Only the mediums shotgun is dead. And if you dont think thats it, try it...

@tame pivot bro you really trust their "data"??? Like half of the data is by cheaters (rewasd/xim and hacks).

Noone is playing the medium shotgun, how is it unfair???? Dude please... you also say controller players.. so you are on pc.. Im talking about my community, the CONSOLE COMMUNITY FFS

Also dont use cope man... thats cringe. Try to be more innovative..

[visual bloom]

there's a bug with reload, if you cancel reload at inconvenient times or (occasionally) mantle while reloading, this cancels the animation mid-reload, but UI shows weapon as being fully reloaded, traps the player in a limbo where they can't shoot or reload until they quickswitch back to weapon...

[rocky steeple]

love the game, cheaters are bad but glad to see the fixes from today and been having a blast with it, maxed the BP and level capped lol. one thing tho: PLEASE ADD SOME SOCKS, MY BROS FEET HURT AND STINK BAD, MF GOT ATHLETES FOOT LIKE CRAZY.

[quick coyote]

Honestly I think it's better as a community to have a bigger and more flourishing ability to see yourself get better with the game instead of just having aim assist aim do half of the work for you. I don't want to say "skill issue" but, please give it some time and get used to the new level of AA

[tame pivot]

they removed snap aim assist on the shotgun because their data showed it was giving controller user an unfair advantage, not hard to understand if you've spent 30 seconds reading the pinned message in the general chat

@undone belfry cope harder, if you can't understand why snap aim assist that aim center mass would be huge for a shotgun that's a you issue

[haughty wyvern]

controller vs controller and k&m vs k&m only way to sort this AA issue

[waxen granite]

@quick coyote do you have any word on people being kicked from games randomly? And if so is there any temporary fix to help prevent it? I get kicked sometimes and ill have zero kills lol 😂

[quick coyote]

I'll ask if there's a uptick of it

[marsh oriole]

is there any plans to remove nuke cheese and recon hack?

[keen steppe]

Light:
Should get faster regenration out of combat to improve their harass-playstyle.

Someone else mentioned a stimshot item which could also work out instead of changing the regen timer. Maybe even make it so you can choose to give that stim to a teammate instead of using it only on yourself.

The sniper could use some love aswell. Not too sure about in what way tho, since that could easily make it too strong. Some experimentation with firerate might be a good first step imo.

M11 is in a weird spot too, it technically is slightly stronger than the xp-45 up close but overall still significantly worse. Maybe enhance the close-range capabilities even more so there is a clear difference between the two.

Sword should be able to hit multiple opponents with the charge attack. (The reverse of heavies hammer)

Medium:
After getting resurrected by defib you should not have invulnerability.

If you get defibbed as a medium you should have your own defib go on cooldown to prevent chain defibs.
OR
Make it so defib isnt instant but just significantly shortens the regular revive-time. Like a sped up version of the normal revive where youd have to keep facing the downed-player trophy.

In addition a reduced effect for multiple healing beams on the same target would be good aswell. One beam heals for 100%, two beams would heal for more than 100% but less than 200%.

A change for recon sense also wouldnt hurt. Maybe make it so it functions similar to thermal vision of light. Where you have to pull out a tablet to activate it and it stays activated for a set amount of time and goes on cooldown afterwards. Also make it pulse every 5 seconds instead of a continuous vision. Each pulse would outline enemies for 1.5 seconds.

Heavy:
Hammer horizontal swings should be able to hit multiple opponents. (The reverse of lights sword)

Performance:
Some performance and optimization improvements are very needed aswell.

Melee AA should be toggleable.

[plush spoke]

valid ^

[cunning stag]

Will the devs ever add keyboard and mouse support on consoles? It makes no sense not to give us that option

[noble heron]

it does, it makes the game unfair

[deft river]

getting huge stutters on this version of the game when turning around & loading new parts of the map

[pure gyro]

Any updates on fixing voice chat?

[smoky gust]

@quick coyote a friend of mine has been collecting some data for about a month now about a potential idea of hers
its a list of all people in favor of/against her idea

is there a way to get direct attention to it besides just posting it in here?
(i hope you don't mind me asking)

[undone belfry]

Just use a xim like half of the playerbase will use now. Console community is doomed either way if this patching goes like this... pc player cry, console gets hit without a reason. You can train your aim for hours just to get it fkd by a Patch because pc players dont like Controllers... just get a xim and never have a controller and aim issue again... jokes asside, k&m Support wouldnt make sense because you get in pc lobbys and play against 120fps+ players who play everything on low to see clearer... to big of a disadvantage

@mild owl bro eac has nothing to do with getting data on which gun performs better etc. Wtf are you talking about? Dont spread misinfo...
And CROSSPLAY IS CONSOLE ONLY!! how many times again!!! We never had a issue. You guys bring up one!

If aim snapping wasnt a thing I would not play shotgun and try to get good with it in first place!! Your Argument doesn't make any sense...
Yo clearyl doesn't now how Controllers behave on pc versus console... frame rate alone changes how controllers function... on pc its all snappier because of frametime and rate... but well you dont know that why im telling you... you never played the same 2 games on console and pc to see the difference.

Yeah every one else is complaining! There's already 3 other guys here writing why aim assist got hit. But you beeing really delusional dont count their voices because well "it doesnt affect me right, so who cares "...

@tame pivot bro which data!! Where is the sheet, where are the numbers, console and pc??? Wtf are you talking about!! I want to see the usage rate of shotguns, especially the Mediums one abd then tell me again that that wep is busted!! The usage rate is below 20% I bet. Even lower probably!

And also for the 385828528 time CROSSPLAY IS CONSOLE ONLY!!!

@lethal chasm
Bro stop they finally disable whole aim assist for US console players! Lol

[mild owl]

cope 🙂 why shouldnt you trust their data? eac alone is already invasive as is. turn off crossplay instead of begging for help because you dont want to improve and get better. if aim snapping wasnt a thing in the first place you would have never complained about the medium shotgun. the console or controller pc makes no difference - same input?????????

last thing: stop being delusional. nobody "oNlY LiStEnS To Pc PlAyErS" they are trying to level the playing field, and impacts to aim assists wont only affect you. everyone else playing on console is also affected, so if you just turn off crossplay then you dont really have anything to complain about?

[frosty sierra]

I strongly second your light buffs but i think light need to either sacrifice very minimal hit to health or maybe a hit to cooldowns on dashes?

Heavily disagree with most of your medium nerfs, the IFrames after can be removed, but keep the chain defibs and I'm for the recon sense change.

Yeah, hammer swings should be able to hit exactly as it looks in front of me.

The amount of melees I've missed to AA is sad.

Also 1 feature I will keep on requesting is an All/Team text chat.

[tame pivot]

for 345698345th time, the AA nerfs were based on data, not feedback. ''Train your aim'' harder and if you really can't compete with MNK just disable crossplay and enjoy your even playing field

@undone belfry They probably have data for accuracy of every gun per inputs, 1v1 win% for each guns per inputs. Doesn't matter if a gun isn't used much, they nerfed the LH1 even tho not a lot of people used it because the data they gathered showed it was busted. They don't need to show you anything, they have no reason to lie about data

And no crossplay isn't console only

[waxen granite]

Thank you so much I appreciate your time. Also nice water puppie pfp ^-^ I hope you have a great night.

[quick coyote]

#📧┇contact-us

[lethal chasm]

<@&1012034066876473384> can yall say why rewasd still has aim assist?

[dry hawk]

Alright im getting a weird error where i cant even launch the game it says "Disallowed tool detected"
I haven't changed anything on my PC, dont have any programs running and the issue just randomly popped up today when it was fine yesterday? any ideas?

[noble heron]

Dont run cheats/scripts
EZ PZ

[real pier]

Can you guys please add mouse and keyboard support for consoles?

[turbid gate]

but also where is the patch for aimbot cheaters?

[primal herald]

How do I use my back paddles now since I can’t use ds4 ? Bc in game it doesn’t let me combine anything to em any help

[hard walrus]

someone, anyone, do something to that god damn flamethrower;^;

[slow pollen]

surely you can add an AOE heal grenade to medium class thats around the size of the bubble shield

[mild salmon]

I’m bad at this game, so it sucks

[swift shuttle]

it's probably been suggested plenty before, but here's +1 to hoping we see a friends-only leaderboard in-game soon, as well as the option to view the entire leaderboard instead of just the top 500

[lethal chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-talking-talking-to-self-alone-lonely-gif-5869985

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E A S A P

[sharp belfry]

Have you tried taking a few steps backward?

[hard walrus]

The afterburn kills me too early.

[smoky storm]

what are your thoughts on forced anti-aliasing? I think that's one thing that sucks even in moderation 😦 I prefer my games anti-aliasing free!

[shadow widget]

I think it doesn't need to be removed but maybe the throwing of items should be nerfed in accuracy when explosives are put on said item

[alpine wren]

I'm tired of mines

[frail cape]

DEVS: the game is freezing entire PC for at least 15-20 seconds at least once during game session , heard its due to intel hyperthreading / amd smt

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/18enfk1/fps_stutterfreeze_ingame_fix/

[upper citrus]

rng one taps doesnt sound fun

[rose vigil]

If they could remove aim assist entirely and allow gyro controls on console then we actually stand a chance against MnK Ximmers

[swift shuttle]

I did actually see that when I was looking up whether embark provided/had plans for a detailed public stats API, I only wish it was more than the top 10k (it would also be nice to have a stats tracker on par with stuff like tracker.gg, I like comparing the statistics of me and my friends for fun)
ty for the suggestion tho 🫡
(as an addendum to the post above, I would also appreciate an option to kill AA entirely; it feels unnecessary in most games when playing at 1440 or 4k)

[dawn sand]

pls triple the defib cooldown

[empty junco]

they fucked the game

[past moat]

it's honestly insane to me that the "data" revealed that controller players have an advantage, while AA in this game is significantly worse than in any fps I've ever played- maybe that's the difficult recoil of the guns combined with the fast player movement? idk. but regardless- landing shots in The Finals has been harder than in any other fps, so AA gets nerfed into the ground while I watch MnK streamers LITERALLY laser beaming people across the map, while moving on ziplines, while airborne, doesn't matter. it looks like MnK players don't even have recoil at times, meanwhile on controller my gun is jumping all over the screen... makes no sense man.

truly makes me wonder if the "data" they looked at was skewed by the people who were using reWASD and masking their inputs as controller. those people were likely fragging out and dominating, which would heavily impact the results. just feels a lot like bullshit after playing the game post-patch.

[carmine ginkgo]

red dot sight

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E A N D R E C O N A N D D E F İ B C H E E S E

[hidden socket]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[quick coyote]

NUKE MUST BE DIE

[raw skiff]

CE-117740-0 error update every time in ps5 help please

[tawny oak]

How the fuck do you devs have time to add shit to the fucking store but dont have any fucking time to talk to your community and actual listen to them and drop some updates/fixes for the game, no wonder this pos game is dying.

[summer venture]

Day 5001 of asking for light to not be an immediate throw pick

[storm iris]

One suggestion is to add the penalty of not being able to enter the game for 30 to 60 minutes because they exit the game out of anger or something negative Dead by Daylight style. They are cowards who never finish the game. Imagine in ranked, everyone leaves because of a small mistake.

[spark carbon]

Barrels bounce back after being thrown

[exotic ivy]

Can we please do something with VRs after all weapons are unlocked? It hurts to be maxed out and nowhere to spend them. Would be great as a secondary way to get skins/charms etc for guns/gadgets

[weary flower]

You guys should make the ADS modifier goes up to 200%

[long belfry]

Devs were super active today. Actually great communication in chat. Remember that timezones are a thing and even their day needs to end at some point.

[signal pond]

<@&1012034066876473384> Hi there. Would you please past some feedback to the devs if possible to take another pass on the hit registration for all single-shot weapons? Not sure why but there are times when players are not moving, aiming at someone not moving within 15 meters, and the shots just don't count. I notice is the most on the Lever Shotguns and the revolver. It feels similar to Destiny 1/2 having "ghost bullets" on pistols. Thanks for your hardwork!

[radiant sinew]

I just wish they nerf both turrets and heavy shotty
Maybe they can make so that the turret is locked 1 for each team max with it having 225 hp because rn it's acting like a 4th/5th/6th teammate with aimbot
And the heavy shotty it just does too much damage I think a nerf where the light can still be 1 bursted and the medium can still (with difficulty) be 1 bursted while the heavy it takes 6/7 shots to kill him would be more balanced
|edit| the damage for each shot it could be 65

[glossy glacier]

Suggestion add gyro aiming

[tawny oak]

wow 1 time in 3 months, crazy

[broken lake]

could you also pass along to the devs that we would very much like to be able to turn melee aim assist off? it keeps locking onto the shoulder hitboxes when I try and backstab with the dagger, and most of the tech with the dagger currently focuses on making sure it doesn't activate so you have more control over it.

[echo socket]

FACTS, but anyone not on console is gonna downvote your post or talk s*** to you cause of your feedback.

[sharp belfry]

Buff sniper rifle so we can have a useful 3rd

[alpine wren]

I have a question that may seem silly... But is there a level matchmaking system for MM? In other words, if I'm career level 20, will I fall in with level 20 players as well?

[left gazelle]

Does anyone have any hints to make the mouse control input not feel so .... mushy?

[calm oxide]

it looks like MnK players don't even have recoil at times, meanwhile on controller my gun is jumping all over the screen... makes no sense man
it makes perfect sense: they have practiced the game and have become good enough to control the recoil. meanwhile, you're implying anyone using controller ought to get the same thing for free, without having to control it themselves.

[radiant quiver]

I feel like the developers should add an option in the practice range to reset it
It would be useful to learn the explosion mechanics

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E A S A P

[sinful lance]

just remove 1 charge of heavy c4 and the nuke meta will instantly die

[past moat]

I have played the game a shit ton and have been performing very well... 2.1 KD. what you're saying here is just a ridiculous oversight. MnK is so much more precise than using thumbsticks. "implying anyone using controller ought to get the same thing for free"... my brother in christ it was physically impossible for any controller user to beam at long distances with the same level of precision and consistency as a top MnK player PRIOR to the patch... now, post-patch it's laughable. no matter how good you are at the game on controller you cannot beam like that against enemies at long range with the AKM/FCAR.

[vapid granite]

sounds like a skill issue here

[sudden karma]

fr im top 150 atm and im getting destroyed by people using zin. it was manageable before but now its just impossible.

[vestal charm]

Can we please change the name of the riot shield? it doesnt do the one thing its meant to do. Block someone rushing you. Heavy charge is infact its counter. or at least have a cardboard skin to reflect the fact.

[tawny oak]

work on servers and fix the damage registration,/ shot registration, games unbalanced when you have to 3 shot lights with a sniper, why is it an issue in a 9 -12 player game

[obsidian solar]

Buff Melee tracking, it's extremly annoying not being able to hit people literally in your face because they move 1mm away from the dot, if someone is close and in front of me i should auto lock with the melee weapon

[dire ice]

Just played with a M&K and let me tell you, this is an L for controller players. Tested AA overall and there is near to none. As a controller main, if I'm playing better with M&K something is seriously wrong!

Also to the morons putting clown emojis, you're the problem with the gaming industry. Parasites within the gaming space, all you want is easy lobbies! Funny how that starts with L too, since it fits the majority of you siding with this update.

[weary hill]

See, no. Every gadget/special has a counter. Glitch the turret. Get behind it and destroy it. Goo it. Yall want everything nerfed rather than learning how to play the game. Ugh. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[tame pivot]

the real parasites are the controller players who think they should compete with MNK

@echo socket and then they end up like apex where even pro play is dominated by controllers

[nimble steppe]

Add keyboard customise for the keys and mouse sensitivity and crosier, on consoles

[blissful crescent]

Pls fix the centering of bullets and cross hair issue in all weapons,ik some weapons have been dealt with

[hollow summit]

Make it so that recon senses will still highlight players in the open/in your FOV

[sudden tangle]

CAN WE REMOVE NUKES ALREADY?

[echo socket]

Bro the game is crossplay TF?! Any other shooter that’s also crossplay doesn’t nerf aim assist for controllers first. They balance weapons and do big/stability fixes, even cheating like CODs Warzone before “aim assist on controller”

[quick coyote]

this update is amazing 👍 thank you devs

[frozen ice]

100%

[gloomy wraith]

I swear if pc players still complain ab aim assist 💀 older one was too op tho

[faint sundial]

PLEASE make it so there's no longer a ping next to the Equipment tab, it's so pointless because you click on that tab and there's no kind of indication as to why there was an indicator next to it

[glossy compass]

recon should be able to see invisibility

[silver lava]

Add quick peek like rainbow six itll be dope asl

[tame pivot]

no one tell him recon as we know it won't be a thing after the next patch

[manic quartz]

Based AA fixes.

[placid cypress]

Scotty has a voice line saying the high notes are hitting some minor notes. Just irks me a little bit, wish he would say minor chords, or dissonant notes instead.

[paper birch]

Events: Nether Portal, Majora's Mask moon impact, sideways gravity

Q ability: Skateboard

Gadgets: Ice grenade (slows and makes the floor slick)

[dire ice]

It's none existent the AA now, I can send you a video if you would like. Only thing that actually feels active is slight slow down when closer to targets.

[quick coyote]

I hope the finals collab other game often.
It would be great, you know.

[dull sorrel]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[vagrant anvil]

Bring back controller funny aim on PC or cringe

[narrow quarry]

Bring back AA

[fathom jackal]

Bring back AA

[inner hill]

Give them AA back and their own lobbies

[quartz lintel]

ok,they nerfed aimassist and its rather good then bad,but they nerfed it too much. i think the only problem with AA is the fact that pc users can still use it. i don't mind if console players get their AA back to the state it was,just remove AA completely from pc client

[tawny oak]

fix the servers, shot registration is the BIGGEST fucking issue in this game.

[rich fox]

aim assist feels completely fine now

[azure saddle]

totally agree with you!

[ashen canyon]

they should just do what apex does, have different AA values in pc/console.

@dire ice still seems pretty strong, only difference is you cant spam ADS on certain guns for aimbot

[quick coyote]

Hey ppl, what do y'all think of the new patch note?

[manic quartz]

Great change.

[harsh trail]

day 19 of asking for a throwing knives balance patch/bug fix to make them a viable weapon option (missed a day, back on track! 🔥)

[daring fossil]

day 19 of me seconding

[lean sparrow]

Bring back AA

[mighty blade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/17hfwql/anyone_experiencing_stupid_high_cpu_temps_in_this/ Take a look at this thread

[gloomy wraith]

iknow im console player too but its all good im still good asf dropping 15 kills on ranked just got rid off all pc players mfs had 4 kils LMAO

[winter solar]

here's to hoping linux compatibility is in the next update, i really don't want to install windows on my steam deck just for this game

[blazing horizon]

this game just needs open mic for all to hear.

[quick coyote]

Yeah people love getting called slurs the moment they load into a random queue. (it is funny tho)
This is the only time I'll compare this game to Overwatch. Overwatch basically shoves it in your face that your teammates are in the voice chat and reminds you 30 times how you can join it. I think thats fine. Open mic would be too chaotic.
Also add text chat.

[arctic acorn]

Ranked matchmaking and sound still needs to be fixed. Just leaving it here so it isn't forgotten lol

[hollow summit]

Revolver damage fluctuates. Dealing anywhere from 24-74 damage.

[rose vigil]

It would a nice change where the sounds ur teammates make are lowered like that in overwatch

[hidden moss]

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E A S A P

[rose surge]

Light nuke is ok tho

[azure saddle]

who can tell me what is AA that everyone were taking about?

[quick coyote]

It's not just overwatch, this is pretty common place with team based games. Especially team based shooters. Should be a feature here too.

[lean sparrow]

Developers claim “We will find a suitable solution for aim assist”
Is the current update what you would call the "best solution"? lmao
This sentence seems really ridiculous now.
I am probably sure that they did not spend enough time checking this aspect but decisively weakened the gaming experience of the controller.
I have always believed that the developers of the game did not optimize the controller curves after the public test. Instead, they improved and strengthened aim assist in order to cover up the poor feel and operation of the controller.
Now after lowering aim assist, the controller’s poor feedback is immediately exposed.
Well done! This update successfully took all controller players out of the game👍

I have no objection to weakening aim assist
But it’s really too much right now
The best solution is to match players based on input
Rather than drastically weakening the controller experience, that's stupid!
It's obvious that they won't develop this feature because it's a hassle and they don't want to burden themselves with it

[quartz lintel]

pc player?

[manic quartz]

Should let me change my ability in the pre-game lobby. Sometimes I want to swap from a turret to a healing beam after seeing my other teammates or vice versa.

[quick coyote]

remove the name trackers. there's enough ways to track people in teh game. taking a single shot and being tracked sucks lol

[hidden moss]

Controller player on ps5 here. Love where Aim Assist is! If you guys are having a hard time with it go practice at the range, that’s literally what it’s there for.

So many of you think you should automatically be beaming people in a COMPETITIVE GAME!

That’s not how it works. You need to practice.

[crude brook]

better audio when??

[quick coyote]

"Guy who only hits his shots because of AA" spotted.
I play on a controller about half the time (usually more now) when gaming. You do not need AA to hold your hand in every fight. It was way too strong and being abused. I made my friends who normally play mnk use their controllers and once they got used to it our kills and wins skyrocketed lmao. WAY too good of an AA.

Locking players to inputs doesn't solve this, rather it would only cause cheaters using controller emulators or input adapters to be forced upon actual controller players. Not to mention cutting the playerbase. On PC, controller players would have a much, much smaller amount of lobbies. On console (if they had mnk support), mnk lobbies would be much, much smaller too. Anyone trying to use the opposite input scheme from their platform would have way longer queue times, and controller players (for disability reasons, such as myself) wouldn't be able to play with their normal mnk friends. This ends up solving nothing and causing more issues.

[lean sparrow]

Developer claims so-called "best solution to aim assist"
It is to drastically weaken aim assist instead of adding input-based matching of players.
Obviously they're not going to add this feature because it would make their jobs busier and more tedious
The “best solution” is to directly weaken aim assist, which is faster and less troublesome.
Why waste time developing "input-based" matching functionality?
This way you can go home from get off work early lmao🤣😅

[spiral wasp]

Does reporting cheaters actually help?

[brittle surge]

The middle class senses recognition ability is ridiculous and broken! Need nerf

[raven atlas]

Pc players complaining ab AA always makes me chuckle. They just want their advantage back and cry everytime the playing field is level. If AA is such a problem for you then turn off Crossplay and play against other mnk players. Problem is then they would be exposed for having poor aim there too, thats why they come into console pool to make themselves feel better. The AA really isnt THAT strong especially considering the amount of recoil in the game. I will admit that not being able to track an invis guy is a good change but other than that just admit you want to have the advantage and stop ruining our experience

[river abyss]

It would be real nice if you could pick different icons for you teammates in game so its easier to differenciate them, like how csgo has the coloured names

[tame pivot]

No one tell him that data showed the playing field was not ''leveled'' which is why AA got nerfed

[gentle zealot]

It'd be nice if we still got our daily/weekly progress if the game crashes in the middle of a match. Especially since I get missing_angelscript_callstack like three times a day

[languid ridge]

Pls jus keep doing what y’all are doing, game is fun 👍

[sick dirge]

linux support plz

[tawny oak]

FIX THE SERVERS

[abstract harbor]

Another evening of shit games due to SBMM and fighting triple-stacked teams as a solo. GG Embark. Wondeful idea.

[foggy shell]

Maybe you're just bad

[quick coyote]

toooooo many ways to track players when theres up to 9 enemies.. it comes from all directions

[tame pivot]

nah solo queuing in this game is probably the worst solo queud experience out of any game

[rose surge]

If you solo queue, you must be prepared to win 1 out of every 10 games. That's just how it is. Until they make a better mode for it, either get better or stop complaining.

[turbid gate]

im noticing a lot or passive nonmentioed nerfs for starters the vanishing bomb now pauses the cloaking device. the recoil on certain weapons class wide is greater and the damage being done per full mag is 100 lower than pre patch

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E A S A P

[bleak coral]

"rather it would only cause cheaters using controller emulators or input adapters to be forced upon actual controller players" >>idk if you've tried using rewasd in any games but it feels awful looking around when mouse is converted to stick, easier to just use the aim assist on controller - only reason it has even become prevalent because of how strong aa and aim snapping was... rewasd has been able to be used in every fps game for years.

"Not to mention cutting the playerbase. On PC, controller players would have a much, much smaller amount of lobbies. On console (if they had mnk support), mnk lobbies would be much, much smaller too. Anyone trying to use the opposite input scheme from their platform would have way longer queue times,"

yes it would lengthen queue times, but not by too much - in comparison to how much fairer the lobbies would be.

"controller players (for disability reasons, such as myself) wouldn't be able to play with their normal mnk friends"

you would still be able to play, crossinput lobbies, or you can queue into a match without aim assist.

in my mind its more of seperating aim assist and non aim assist lobbies - rather than input device.

[sinful cedar]

Yeah, I fell and downloaded windows and barely play it now haha; windows suck

[kindred iris]

pc players can use controllers + aim assist as well. the issue has always been aim assist.

[lean sparrow]

The relevant personnel of this weakening of aim assist also said personally that they will not listen to any player's suggestions.
They use the so-called generated indicator data to determine whether aim assist is weakened.
Obviously they will miss or ignore the indicators that there are people using Rewasd or other software.
This update is a bit irresponsible
I once again declare that I am not opposed to weakening aim assist, but the relevant personnel personally said that it is necessary to generate certain indicator data to judge the weakening of aim assist.
It’s hard not to think about whether there are other ingredients involved

[quick coyote]

no game ever would survive 10% solo win rate lmao

[raven atlas]

Which i agree is a problem especially xim users. Thats not the fault of AA rather the fault of losers who cant play the game normally

[astral abyss]

Did the devs really straight up say they won't consider player suggestions? That should be extremely concerning and off-putting no matter which side of the aim assist debate you're on.

[noble mist]

Please give us the option to toggle off the auto aim on melee weapons.

[hardy rock]

Love this game but the battle pass progression is too slow

[gloomy wraith]

play ranked

[quick coyote]

The XP needs an additional 2 bullets. The amount of times I have gotten someone to basically dead & they have survived is unreal, more so since they fiddled with aim assist.

[ashen canyon]

They said they listen to player feedback to look for changes that need to be made, but the balance changes themselves are based on data. theres a pinned message in #⚡┇the-finals-chat

[tame pivot]

god please save us from the devs using data and logic when it comes to balancing their game

[tawny oak]

Add a sniper that 1 shots head shot lights and mediums, increase the rate of fire on the sniper, it should be shooting faster per shot but it doesnt, the 1st shot is fine but the 2nd and 3rd have a fire delay for some reason, i can tell the difference between them so dont bs and tell me its not true

[fallen niche]

Someone on the Deck server claimed it worked for them today using Proton Experimental

[small marlin]

In game chat :)

[quick coyote]

you already have the fastest dps guns, all of them lmao

[heavy brook]

As a dev I can say there are very low chances to get support on Linux and no chances to get support on MAC.

Remaking the game for 0.something% increase in revenue is not worth it

[gloomy wraith]

Bro them pc players toxic asf 🤣

[lilac pelican]

The Ability to report a player after a few brackets of Competitive Tournaments. There's teams from the other Groups that you haven't faced yet so you should be able to report in the after-match report screens.

[coral bough]

Unfortunately the game is unplayable due to cheaters, I face at least 1 cheater every other game in eu servers! this is not normal

[sharp belfry]

Please buff the sniper so its not just 2/3 players contributing

[neon timber]

glad im not the only one who sees it that way

[quick coyote]

1. You can smooth that out by tweaking the settings/configs. But yes, its only as strong as the in-games AA is. AA is the issue at hand, I agree.
2. It wouldn't lengthen normal players queue times by much. But it would massively increase anyone's queue times who isn't using the standard input method of their platform. Even if 30% of active users on PC are using controllers/controller emulators, that's a lock off from 70% of the ENTIRE playerbase. That's more than "a little" increase. Far worse for mnk players on console (assuming its added).
3. That defeats the point of an input matchmaking system then. It also further splits users. Unless you remove the feature to turn off crossplay. If you don't (they wouldn't), there's 4 different sets of lobbies for PC (mnk + controllers, only mnk, +2 for crossplay version of each). Enjoy the queue time! This game doesn't have the playerbase to compensate for this.

PC should just not have AA if it becomes a big issue. Move to a different system that helps controller players or remove it. Nerfing it can even out things too. But input based matchmaking with even the peak of PC playerbase numbers is not a great idea.

[raven folio]

why does the heavy quick melee like he's slapping u with a wet fish?

[fallen niche]

Who said anything about remaking it? EAC already has Linux support that is up to the developer to enable by simply checking a box for it. The game itself would run via Proton and does not require a Linux-native build of the game.

[quick coyote]

someone send me innapropriate gifs

[molten trail]

Game desperately needs a text chat. Again there's been countless situations in my games where I wanted to tell my teammates that the enemy was 1 hp but i couldn't, or that the vault was clear and safe to take, or that we should avoid going to a certain objective, many similar scenarios.

Not everyone wants to use a mic, and not everyone has voice chat enabled which is off by default. Also let's not forget the importance of lobby chat / dm chat and basic communication features for friends

[gaunt perch]

quit matchmaking me with teammates who literally dont know how to play the game, im so sick of solo queue the game is literally unplayable in solo queue

Skill 👏 based 👏 matchmaking 👏 should 👏 apply 👏 to 👏 teammates

[winter solar]

will try that later today

[indigo ferry]

right? If I try solo they always pair me with a couple of noobs bronze 4 even tho I'm gold, not to mention the matchmaking putting me against diamonds players

[grim jay]

"sorry" option on the middle mouse wheel selection thingy, i needa apologize for my bs

[livid bone]

"a disallowed tool is running on your system," if anyones knows, is there a way to fix it? i haven't ever had hacks or any form of exploits, and i've already tried reinstalling the game.

[pulsar flame]

Please add other forms of crosshairs, i wanna just to have a dot, nothing else

[green bison]

for the love of god nerf the rocket launcher, it has zero counter play other than seeing a heavy holding in and trying to dash away as fast as you can, you can't even tell when they've shot the rocket so you end up just exploding randomly

[neat nymph]

Hey, I don't know if there's some kind of format expected here, but I'd like to submit that announcements need to have some kind of interruptible priority! Almost every other game with talkative announcers does this.

For instance, if I'm the last one on my team, I shouldn't have to listen to a queue of announcements about other teams being eliminated or starting vaults before the "Retros are down to their last contestant" line plays. Especially on solo queue, since almost no one knows they have to manually enable voice, this is critical info. Even just having alert noises on the client would be helpful.

Likewise, the announcement queue doesn't seem to have a length limit, which leads to the announcers jabbering about things that happened minutes ago as they struggle to catch up.

[hollow shoal]

heavy shotty is fine rn, lewis gun is the current meta over shotty. play back and they do nothing with shotty

[rancid heath]

Team text chat option
fps limiter option

[rocky verge]

They should bring back cb1 backstab ;-;
It instantly backstabbed you didn’t have to do any holding shenanigans, and it had great hit registry

[hazy swallow]

please optimize the game soon!

[drowsy grove]

I wasn't there for CB1, OB backstab was infinitely better with just being able to hold the backstab and the angles didn't feel as awful as they do now. I've backstabbed people cashing out, climbing over goo, ziplining with their backs turned, walking away from me, and none of them did backstab damage.

What was CB1 backstab?

[sour bane]

Love this game as a casual game, but ranked/highlevelbalance needs works. The game currently feels balanced around Medium damage values, making Light a recipient of most damage.

Some changes I'd like to see:

• Increase Light HP by 25 to 50. This honestly would fix all the damage value issues written below.
• If HP increase isn't done, then RPG/Grenade/Mines damage reduce to a value of under 150 so lights don't get OHK. Increase their destruction capability as a result. It makes sense for RPG anyways, to be more destructive.
• Nukes definitely need to be addressed. Dying in one shot is not fun in any game, for any class. In most games, these are skill-based one shots (like Snipers). But an AOE no-skill one shot like this is just fundamentally unfun. Again, increase destruction capabilities as a result.
• Double barrel shotgun damage reduction for body shots, but keep modifier for headshots. You need to aim majority pellets to head to get 2-pump kill, not random body shots.
• Sentries feel very very strong, and they feel even stronger when 1. They don't seem to shoot each other, so you can literally die by two different team's Sentries in a fight, 2. They have high health, 3. Their hitbox is super weird? I can be shooting at them and they seem to just tank, 3. Double or Triple M is Ranked meta, and so you are likely seeing 2x Sentry + 1x Recon, or just at least 1x. Sentries are just super annoying, and they're especially powerful against Lights. I think Sentries actually have more HP than Light, which is just sad.
• Defib needs to be re-worked. Max 1 per team? Higher cooldown? Be able to stop a defib, and make there be a cooldown (so you need to defib at a good spot, not spamming it mid-fight). It's hilarious seeing 3x M in Ranked, just booping everyone back.
• Ranked needs elo-based mm, not this progression-based one. I know this is similar to the Apex one, making low rank a PITA.
• Recon Sense is very strong. Reduce ping to every few seconds, or increase CD.

[zenith crown]

Please add auto sprint, other fast paced FPS has it (Apex and CoD). Without auto sprint movement is a bit clunky. Also this will help with thumbstick wear

[turbid gate]

u def running sum unallowed open taskmanager and close background [rossecc

[snow hollow]

Tbh without it takes more skill

[ruby depot]

WHY DO MELEE ATTACKS ON MNK HAVE AIM ASSIST 🔥
let us save weapon/gear customizations to all contestants that use them

[livid bone]

it was just an autohotkey thing i had for opening the appdata folder faster lmfao

[zenith crown]

I have early onset arthritis bc of this

[dusky mist]

Riot Shield doesnt count for Block Damage Dailies/Weeklies and Motion Sensor doesn't count for detecting enemies

[hardy yew]

AN OPTION TO DUPLICATE CONTESTANTS
please

[pale crane]

some pple getting afk with slice move every x sec

[ashen elbow]

remove dead go boom its so bad

[plucky plume]

The ability to hold the throwing knives heavy attack (right click) or cancel the animation

[heavy brook]

I don't play light at all. Doing it now because of contracts but if a sword lunge cannot kill a light in 1 go then I believe a light shotgun shouldn't kill a light in 1 shot.

[rose wren]

seriously rework this fcking matchmaking !
https://imgur.com/GZY9FaW

[rancid skiff]

Revert flamethrower back to its beta stats, it currently cannot fulfill its weapon roll

[gloomy wraith]

Cant find a single game on ranked ? Has been almost 1 hour and 30 minutes

[bright lark]

Region?

[slow spear]

can you give some rank point back when there is a shit quiting before the rank start ?

[sonic spoke]

APS negates granades and rpg

[cursive plaza]

The servers for ranked are not working whats so ever i have qued up and gotten kicked jut to join back with default loaout and than after winning the round i get kicked and cant rejoin this has happend for the past three hours. I have no idea if this is just happening to me but it has become incriingly aggrivating please fix.

[paper pewter]

Developer mom whores

[earnest quiver]

PLEASE fix respawns, i don't wanna wait 20 seconds after a team wipe just to spawn on the COMPEATE opposite side of the map from the objective just to lose from it

[somber widget]

So voice chat was working and it just stopped me and my buddy could hear each other he’s on ps5 I’m on series s and now we can’t

[heavy brook]

Use discord on phone? Who even uses in-game vc with pre-mades?

[shell jacinth]

Mines already do below 150

[paper pewter]

Middle reconnaissance detector = legal ESP

Fucking idiot Developer

[tranquil skiff]

I really wish after hitting max level in the Battle Pass and Career Level, the experience you gain from Contracts and the Matches would go into the Weapons experience… especially, since there is so many damn weapons and gadgets. And the fact that you have to actually use the ones outside of your main for EACH build… it’s a lot and you really get jack 💩 for each match played.
For instance, why have I been max level for both Battle Pass and Career Level but I’m getting SLIGHT experience points in weapon experience? I have MAX VRs and I am gaining all this experience from Contracts that do me no good and there’s 61 Days Left….. but weapon experience is the ONE THING I doubt I’ll EVER max out, at least outside of my main for my builds… and even then…… it just makes zero sense that we get f**kall on weapon and gadget experience and they unlock a lot of the Skins, Charms, Etc. But yet, the HARDEST & LONGEST to do…. Idk. Just doesn’t make sense I hold on to all this while I wait on Devs to come up with more stuff in 61 Days and then I miss out on certain Items because I ran out of time leveling up weapons and gadgets I NEVER use……

[dire arrow]

thats what you get when you solo queue, theres no fix for that

[gloomy wraith]

Ranked Tournament Is Bugged ? Have been trying to find a game for over 2 hours now and havent gotten in a single one Fix this

[frail cape]

If your game freezes after like 5 minutes I found solution : https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/18grydz/eac_kernellevel_issues_stuttering_any_input/

It's EAC issue!!!

[tranquil skiff]

Like I don’t have (I doubt many people do) have 8 hours to play every day to do this stuff….
And it’s not like I’m winning much with the more useless gadgets and weapons that EACH build has…. I’m basically doomed to fail or doomed to lose matches….

And to the person about matchmaking… that’s part of the solo queue struggle. I do it, too, since most of my friends play only Fortnite (lame, I know). But it is what it is. I’ve wondered about a Career Level or a Ranked Level matchmaking, but how do you go about it. It’s just what it is.
I feel if I could JUST BE a better Gamer, then it wouldn’t matter. I feel that’s the more appropriate attitude to have. Because a Good/Better Gamer will present a challenge, regardless. There are videos on Solo Builds and how to get to Diamond. I’ve tested them out in QuickPlay, and they do help. It’s not as perfect as they present it, but I feel they give you the tools to be somewhat successful. Mines and GT are powerful as a Medium Build. I haven’t watched any other video on Heavy or Light. But, just know, that’s for when your team does NOT perform how it should. I feel a lot of players are aware of the objective. Especially, now, since the game has been launched for a while, though sometimes, I still get some new ones trying to treat this like a Battle Royal. You just gotta take the good with the bad

[slow spear]

so there will be no punishment when a little size player playing sniper for the whole game without any follow and any support?

[small marlin]

In game chat :)

[hollow shoal]

Ranked. 1 of each class. Idc how many people wanna cry about not being able to run their double heavy/triple medium lame squads. That shit is fine in casuals, but keep it out of ranked ffs. Nothing worse than a team having 3 defibs or multiple nukes in a "competitive" mode.

[rancid skiff]

This would make me quit out of so many matches. I am not queuing up expecting to play one thing only to be forced into another I do not even like

[trim cipher]

Make the rocket launcher do 149 so lights can't get 1 tapped, Remove the ability for heavy/medium/light to put explosives on barrels/throwables. Heavy C4 barrel is strong but also breach charge barrel and mine barrel are strong as well. Make ranked and actual ranked mode with strict SBMM there are so many terrible players in t500 at the moment.

[vagrant raptor]

can we please remove the game mode specific challenges. i don’t want to play anything but bank it devs. this is like the 4th week of this pass that i wont get ever challenge done.

[undone belfry]

Also for yall saying that console players are fine, look at the comments secion on youtube Videos regarding the aim assist nerf.

As I told so many people will leave because of this - also my friends already - because they are what the game is there for In the first place = Casual players!

This game just got nearly to a point of rainbow six, where when you are good the game is great, but when you're not you are getting stomped. Ranked is unplayable because of the ranks having no impact and now because casuals dont have any chance against those who play every day or use stuff like xim etc..

Pc players dont know the console issues. You all are looking it from the pc side... this discord here is mainly pc players. Even the ones playing on controller are on pc (yesterday I played with someone who was on pc with a controller, I thought he was on console..)

Watch this and look in the comments section, so many people are not happy. And the ones saying its skill issue or fine are pc players again, no console player says its fine! Dont be delusional, think carefully!

https://youtu.be/chdkKLVn_Kk?si=SLBJse2EiPDHhd8n

https://youtu.be/Mr2xS-bCGJI?si=m7J5yEKDpl27mqCO

[hazy swallow]

Optimize the game please!

[safe rune]

I would like to be able to use gyro aim

[heavy brook]

You have conflicting arguments. You are either a casual player or you play ranked.

Wanna play ranked? Git good on M&K

Also your argument with the pc player playing with a controller, I believe is an argument for the advantage controller players have.

Also, even if most of us are PC, most of us have played with controllers so we know the issues they have. That's why we use M&K not complaining we need more aim bot.

[blissful furnace]

But yall complain about aim assist in general. Such a braindead take

[tight verge]

please unblock AHK, I use it for an autosprint bind DX

[molten rain]

You have ruined your game for controller players now

[dense fjord]

FOUND THE AA ABUSER

[zealous walrus]

I'm honestly tired of seeing people complain about the aim assist nerf. It was WAY too overtuned. It was quite insane to see, honestly. You don't need insane aim assist to have fun and be casual in the game. Additionally, if you're playing casually, get out of the ranked queue. That's not the place to play casually. If you're playing competitively, you're likely going to work on your natural aim and skill more anyways so the aim assist nerf shouldn't bother you. If you're playing casually, you should just be having fun anyways and not worrying about your k/d. I agree with Don on how you have conflicting arguments.

If you are serious about playing the game, get better, it's genuinely a skill issue. If you are not serious about it and wanting to just have fun, who gives a fuck about how well you play. If doing well in the game is what's fun for you, get better. Skill issue.

[quartz shell]

add text chat and a better group invitation system

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when? And pls make light class 50 hp

[quick coyote]

Should be an event where everyone gets half their HP (but not in ranked lmao).

[pure gyro]

Fix voice chat 🙏

[cunning cedar]

You really over exaggerating, i play controller myself and the nerf was justified and necessary. I've been playing this game on roller without AA and have no issues competing against MnK players. Console players really overestimate the skill of the average PC players. The average PC player is not that aimgod like Nategibbson and other top 0.1% players

[molten rain]

All these PC players, and mnk crying about a aim assist for console players on controller you need your casual players to keep games alive the finals has just killed this game for so many controller players I hope you’ve done the right thing here but let’s keep nukes and invisible light classes no nerf well done going to kill this game before season 2

[rancid skiff]

I try to explain this to people. Even if every single top ranked and pro player buys the entire cash shop, it will not be enough money to make this game a financial success. People are not grasping from a business standpoint casuals are a REQUIREMENT

[turbid gate]

yall need to buff the throwing knives

[civic osprey]

I play on controller, it legit feels better. Ive not been playing with snap but the magnetism change feels better. AA was way over tuned and probably will be until snap is removed. The AA changed did not kill casual play.

[zealous walrus]

Additionally, to the people asking for more hp on light, you do realize that the class is meant to be played as a hit and run, correct? You do a lot of damage, and then reposition. It is not intended to be a class that takes bullets. I understand the frustrations of being one shot by rocket launchers and explosives, and I hope that gets addressed, not the hp of light. If light had more hp it would be entirely too busted. Dealing high damage output with a lot of maneuverability AND doesnt die quickly? It's too good. There's no trade-off.

@cunning cedar Most sane controller user.

@tight verge Unfortunately it would be abused if they unblocked it, I'm sorry for your loss.

@molten rain I do not believe this killed the game. I believe casual players who are truly casual players and play for fun, do not give a shit about K/D or any of that. I have friends who are casual players and they just do whatever the hell they want and joke around and have fun. I apologize you aren't good enough at the game that you have to crutch on an over tuned aim assist. In that case, perhaps the game isn't for you.

The incessant moaning of "casual" controller players is baffling. You fail to see past your crutch on aim assist and see the other side. Sure, it makes the game easy for you, but for the more competitive players, it makes it unfair. I believe even in casual sense it is unfair. If you take players of similar skill levels on controller and mnk, and put them in a match with the old aim assist, the controller players dominate that. The old aim assist gave too much assist. It's the whole reason it became a softcore aimbot on mnk players, because it was so strong. If you want to play an easy game where you don't have to try even the slightest bit, go play hello kitty adventures, or some other baby game. Otherwise, just get better. I apologize for the rudeness.

[blissful furnace]

Majority said it will

[molten rain]

Did developer say that they made the game all about fun and not competitive or am I missing something?

[tight verge]

I mean I can just use rewasd since its whitelisted I guess. Not a terrible loss. also based AA takes

[exotic bough]

Just one thing, nerf the C4 on carboy, it’s not competitive and make a lot of people quit the game, we have an horrible meta with some games full of heavies, it kill every competitive and skilled moves aspects of the game.

[civic osprey]

The majority of casual players aren't posting anything. The *majority *of casual players are laughing their butts off that they can bring a building down, not posting about their AA not snapping as much in a gun fight. The majority of casual players probably didnt even notice something changed.

[cunning cedar]

Completely agree with what you said about fairness for roller players.
Overtuned AA basically removes any skill gap between controller players. If a roller player who plays 2-3 hours/week can perform as well as someone who puts in 2-3+ hours/day, there is something massively wrong and it's just not fair.

[pastel mason]

It’s also worth mentioning the majority of casual players are almost certainly not on controller. There is a large base of pc mnk casual players. Claiming the casual base is dying off and it’s bad from a business perspective isn’t a sound argument if making the game more fair and balanced for controller players doesn’t affect a large portion of the player base

[undone bear]

there’s a lot of bugs with medium builds wear you can fly with a fire canister and a zip line and shoot through floors with a goo can and a turret

[mortal vapor]

I noticed immediately its something you just have to get used to im fine with it as long as they ban the cheaters I just want a fair playing field

[tawdry estuary]

Please add support for Linux via Proton, enable it in EAC and add support for it in your internal anti cheat

[sage bison]

Ah REWASD still works and so does the anti-recoil scripts, seems like the only meaningful change was to the aim assist magnetism being nerfed from 50% to 35% which is still good but this shit needs removed entirely, especially the anti-recoil scripts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf7exeNvysY

@raw kelp wait so it doesn't work anymore? that'd be lit

[zealous walrus]

I’ll end my argument off by saying aim assist is supposed to assist your aim, not be your aim. The old AA was your aim.

[summer venture]

My guy sorry to say but if invis lights are killing you straight consistently you need to reevaluate. Agreed on the nukes tho

[quick coyote]

Super Toxic. PC players remind me of "He who has no life."

[lavish notch]

This might have already been said but incase it hasn't.

I noticed a huge problem for certain weapons (like stun gun or rocket launcher) are a bit easy to aim, due to them being single use before recharging.
A solution to help balance weapons like these a bit more are to just remove the crosshairs for that weapon. Hell maybe crosshairs aren't even needed!
It would encourage users to actually aim down sights more.

Another issue I've noticed is grenade launchers don't actually have a use for aiming? It just zooms in.
Maybe adding a small faded line to mark where your grenades will go might encourage grenade launcher users to ads.
Nothing too serious, just a small line that stretch's about 5 meters to help aim at people down farther ranges.

[cinder yarrow]

Suggestion about ranked, I hope have this consider.
・No need fully 4 rounds for 1 match
it just takes a lot of time, makes feel more repetitive, if there's a cheater innocent players will suffer for longer time.
・Adjust fame point for reduce total matches to get diamond
Now, we get 650 points or so for 1st place, we need 30000 points to reach diamond. roughly calculated but which is really grindy we have to play 200 rounds at least. Lost some matches due to anything? more rounds.
Of course I know it should be a journey, but I personally feel this is ridiculous.

[hard mesa]

If the enemy is at 1hp, by the time you sent a text message they'd have already started healing

[quick coyote]

You have two month left.

[unique patrol]

Hello 👋🏻 the finals team,

First of all thank you so much for such an amazing PVP game ❤️ . My feedback is not a critic but future suggestions because I truly believe it would add a lot to the game.

WATCH THE FINALS MATCH 👀

While playing a game called The Finals you want to watch the final match while playing Ranked Tournament (both free camera and third person) I've lost count on how many times I've lost on ranked on a super competitive match and I really wanted to watch/follow that team playing in the Final match so I could learn from them, see their tactics and understand how they play.

It's also cool in the finals you could understand how many are watching the final match and those watching should be able to vote for the Game Show Event.

TOURNAMENT RANKED WINNER 🏆

I only won one tournament till now after 625 matches and I was super disappointed that after winning I got to see the same animation of winning a regular match/bracket, you really need to improve this, winning a ranked tournament should feel exclusive and special, should feel that you have achieved something unique, should feel rewarding and actually it doesn't feel nothing at it, it's just a regular win, you don't win nothing unique and you don't even have a different animation with the team celebrating with a trophy or something.

I know a lot of player who were sweating 🥵 to win the ranked tournament, really enjoying the game and once they won it all of them said the same "Is this it?!" it was a big turn off and many have stopped playing because they didn't feel that winning a tournament gave them something back for their effort.

There is so much you can do, new winning animation, exclusive skin for tournament winners, tournaments won numbers on the profile stats.

(Continues...)

[frozen ice]

Hello 👋🏻 the finals team,

First of all thank you so much for such an amazing PVP game ❤️ . My feedback is not a critic but future suggestions because I truly believe it would add a lot to the game.

WATCH THE FINALS MATCH 👀

While playing a game called The Finals you want to watch the final match while playing Ranked Tournament (both free camera and third person) I've lost count on how many times I've lost on ranked on a super competitive match and I really wanted to watch/follow that team playing in the Final match so I could learn from them, see their tactics and understand how they play.

It's also cool in the finals you could understand how many are watching the final match and those watching should be able to vote for the Game Show Event.

TOURNAMENT RANKED WINNER 🏆

I only won one tournament till now after 625 matches and I was super disappointed that after winning I got to see the same animation of winning a regular match/bracket, you really need to improve this, winning a ranked tournament should feel exclusive and special, should feel that you have achieved something unique, should feel rewarding and actually it doesn't feel nothing at it, it's just a regular win, you don't win nothing unique and you don't even have a different animation with the team celebrating with a trophy or something.

I know a lot of player who were sweating 🥵 to win the ranked tournament, really enjoying the game and once they won it all of them said the same "Is this it?!" it was a big turn off and many have stopped playing because they didn't feel that winning a tournament gave them something back for their effort.

There is so much you can do, new winning animation, exclusive skin for tournament winners, tournaments won numbers on the profile stats.

(Continues...)

[radiant sinew]

ah yes
go behind the glitched turret while not having glitch nades, the turrets are both at 3 different sides of the room so that they cant get glitched all at once on the roof of the room and while the entire enemy team is shooting at you all at once, you see the problem with this?
im not saying nerf them to the ground but do something like overwatch there the torb turret even if the ttk to squishes is kinda the same here it still has 225 hp because its only a support thing and not a 6th teammate unlike here where the HP and dps make it both cover and an additional teammate which is more impactful with 3 people on your team than it is with 5
|edit| plus you say that there are counters but still the turret is the medium ability with the highest pick rate how you would explain that if its so counterable?

[pliant rock]

need of an activity status for friends, sometimes I want to invite people but I have no idea whether they are in a ranked tournament or just goofing around in the menus. It doesnt need a lot to make but its very much needed

[weary flower]

Please add assist counts as kill❤️

[merry creek]

So to cut your incessant whinging short your basically saying gEt GoOd... Great insight 👏

[unique patrol]

LEADERBOARDS 👑

The leaderboard looks great but I wanna see my standings side by side with my competitors I also wanna know how many ranks I've dropped or jumped so I can understand my progression over time.

Also something important we need filters (country and platform).

CLANS

In such a competitive PVP game we need clans to help build our community, we need tags, we need clan management (invite, kick, clan page).

Hope I get my suggestions heard ❤️

Keep up doing the amazing job you are doing 🙂 👊🏼

[dull hemlock]

I'm genuinely curious as to why you'd feel a ranked tournament win needs even more incentive than already doubling your FP and then some. A third round win by platinum+ is still going to be sub 300 in most (all?) cases, while a tournament win is almost always 600+. (The lowest I've seen is 595)

[cinder yarrow]

Thanks for the reply, but that doesn't matter, I'm saying make it easier a little bit. Nobody feels this is grindy?🥴

[hazy marsh]

this game needs a deny respawn button please, something like a toggle or hold for when you can disable yourself from being revived so you arent defibbed into a lost cause of a fight would be nice

[copper valve]

I would like to see a kill feed for all players, not just your squad

[hard mesa]

Adding a bow would be sick

[turbid gate]

hello devs? please rework the light class

[outer moon]

Very nice game

[next raft]

Nerf the stupid nukes. You shouldnt be able to attach c4 on any throwables..

[wanton creek]

If aim assist didnt exist at all, pc mouse players would have a huge advantage over controller players. Aiming with a mouse is very precise and quick over a controller. The solution right now maybe is to swith of crossplay for console users because the player base on all platforms is high. But i would be careful with nerfing to the ground controller play, the player base could go down a bit making crossplay a must, and this is when things go bad for the game player base.

[hazy marsh]

have you tried an AP5 turret?

[merry creek]

I really hope they tweak it more to how it was... not all the way back but I certainly feel they went to hard on this

[sage bison]

Who cares? Controllers are for casual players. Look at games like valo and CS, afaik there isn't aim assist available to them. If this game wants to be on the level of other competitive shooters it shouldn't have aim assist at all

@hazy marsh good heavies will detonate before it gets to the turret but splash will still kill it then RPG you, nukes need removed

@shell jacinth yep

[unique patrol]

It's called "Rewarding experience" it has nothing to do with FP, the experience of winning a final should feel unique, I have trouble understanding why I even need to explain this, it's a final FFS 😂 the game is called THE FINALS so the winning of that event shouldn't be a replica of winning a regular quick cash or tournmant initial bracket...

[shell jacinth]

So console just gets nothing?

[molten trail]

I can type surprisingly quick

[dull hemlock]

I guess it's just heavily biased on each end since you said it was your first win in 600+ games. I've won plenty of tournaments on the whole so I don't really... see the need. It is just another win overall, the actual reward of FP in a ranked match is plenty. Maybe a one time reward after ten tournament wins or something but I don't really feel like they need to make it extra dramatic or anything, it would likely just get as hum drum in the long run.

[wanton creek]

i have no idea on what are the correct values to make aim assist on controller equal to mouse. Im just putting it out there because its a great game, enjoying it.

[bold lantern]

I'd much prefer them simply treating it like two different input methods and matchmaking based on that instead of trying to forcefully equalize them with AA and such 🤷‍♂️
MKB and controllers aren't the same, they never will be, and that is completely fine. (Although good gyro controls are starting to come damn close)

Just leave AA as is (hell make it stronger again if need be) but don't MM controller players with MKB players and vice versa. Add a toggle next to the crossplay option if you don't mind the matchmaking mixing you up with different input methods.

[merry creek]

Would the devs be able to turn off cross play, turn off AA then blanket ban anyone on console who is obviously cheating with laser aim and zero recoil

[dense marlin]

Yall need to change how deadzone works on controller I need my zero deadzone because in this game it aim zero even tho I set it zero

[spare marsh]

Hello, my game has been lagging for a few days without any reason. It only happens in The Finals. Can you help me?

[quick coyote]

bring back zoom snapping if you gonna nerf aim assist 🥸

[manic quartz]

There still is zoom snapping, just not for guns it has an inflated effect on like the sniper.

[willow cipher]

check pins in #⚡┇the-finals-chat lil bro

[smoky spindle]

When are private lobby's coming out?

[wanton creek]

Console platforms are a pretty high player base for this game and not casual, maybe you didn't know that console players are mainly controller based. Obviously "you" don't care.. Valo and CS, who cares?

[amber compass]

Roller bots still crying I see

[sage bison]

M8 I'm not gonna argue with a casual over the balance of the game, I'm not saying you can't play the game with a controller, I understand that noobs who aren't competive will eat up skins and contribute to Embark's revenue. My argument is that they shouldn't have access to literal cheats a.k.a aim assist that give them an unfair advantage over the natural aim of mnk. I'm sorry but if you can't understand that pls not speak

Sure but I don't care, at a fundamental level competitive FPS games should be balanced around mnk, again see valo and CS.

@wanton creek PC player have access to hacks, aim tracking, and recoil patter corrections?

-hacks are irrelevant to our converstation
-aim tracking: what does this mean?
-recoil patter(n) corrections: this is cheating and should be removed ofc

these are irrelevant to our discussion m8 srry you have a spoon shaped head.

[magic herald]

Aim assist itself basically just to fill skill issue of controller player but I do understand that controller players need it since they always have the same speed to move crosshair. (not talk about linear yet)

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
-While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
-Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
-Add a slow down effect after being hit by the shield, nothing too crazy just a small reduction to movement speed and the effect should only last 500ms max (Same reason as above, medium lack ways to finish people off or catch up to them, this would prevent infinite chases, also this slow down would only work on medium and heavies, light can still run away)
-Increase damage from 84 to 90 (to kill heavies in 4 hits instead of 5)
-Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking kinda like charge N slam, of course less powerful and without the destruction effect, it would add variety, also all the other melee weapons have two attacks)

[manic quartz]

I think a slowdown would be very frustrating to play against. It is tough to catch enemies but you do get a slight lunge when swinging that means only a light can actually escape in a sustained chase.

Having played it a ton I think the shield is actually in a really nice place but is still mechanically weaker than the AR’s overall.

[obsidian olive]

it needs commando pro

[wanton creek]

sure, lets not argue, specially talking with someone that has a spoon shaped head. Talking about competitive and cheating having PC with access to hacks, aim tracking, recoil pattern corrections and having most of the top 500 being hackers. Look, you hate controller players, that's obvious, but if you don't understand the difference in FPS games between controller and mouse then please "not speak".

[magic herald]

So u're saying that every single MnK player is using cheats, and what do you mean access? You think it's a built-in feature and it's legal? And tracking is exactly what controller good, also why can't you recoil pattern correct on controller? What even is your point?

@bold lantern But when the game is getting into Esport, it would be a tough one. But I agree on that.

[bold lantern]

Like I stated before actually treat them like two different input methods instead of adding aim assist to one trying to forcefully balance one against the other. They're different input methods, so stop acting like they're the same.

Talking about cheats (including how reWASD was abused) just adds noise to the discussion.

@magic herald

But when the game is getting into Esport, it would be a tough one. But I agree on that.
I don't see an issue with seperate controller and kbm divisions. I want competitive to have a level playing field, and be about player skill. You don't get that if you treat player A different than player B because they happen to choose a different input method.

[narrow parrot]

Rename this channel to „Arguing over other’s Feedback“

[amber compass]

Why roller bots still crying u can legit turn off crossplay why would u want every 1 in your lobby's to have aimbot? News flash u was never good the game plays for you

[ebon peak]

Hello, MnK support on Ps5 please🙏

[undone belfry]

The game still plays for you on fcar and light weapons... just not shotguns.. and ffs CROSSPLAY IS CONSOLE ONLY!! NO PC PLAYERS!!!

[clear bronze]

With the new patch the game has become unplayable with the pad, GG the finals .... played since day one, today I uninstall

[silent swift]

hayhay , lets talk , i dont agree with the new aim assistance updates , there must be some assisted for those who play with 220 ping .

[sage bison]

what lol? so because some people have shitty ping, you get cheats?

[vestal nova]

get better internet then? What about people who play mouse and keyboard and are lagging? Should they get cheats?

[silent swift]

bro , i dont play 10 hours a day , i come from work and just wanna chill . the game was fun before the update . now its impossible to hit shots ,,, @vestal nova it not about better internet , it the distance of servers

[sage bison]

avg roller xD, sounds like a skill issue to me

stay mad rollers Embark knows what's up, couple more updates and you won't have any aim assist, you'll be screwed then chumps

you realize what ur saying is that you are abusing a mechanic that gives you cheats and ur not having fun without it? Do you see the problem with that @silent swift

@dire ice Yep definiely only people on mnk area toxic xD, all roller players are saints I think, how are you inputting your response btw? hmmmm

all rollers are clowns xD, I love shitting on u losers who rely on aim assist cheats 🙂

[dire ice]

I love seeing this "feedback" thread, slowly turning into a full blown arguments section and destroying the whole purpose of giving feedback on the channel itself. So far, all we've seen is that (specifically) anyone on mouse and keyboard are extremely toxic, only supporting Aim Assist when it's used on anything but a controller and trying to compare to two inputs, as if it's easy to pull a full 180 with your thumb like it is with your whole arm (with a mouse). Make it make sense people!

Simple fact is, we need input matchmaking, keeping majority of the cheaters on PC with each other to suffer. At least they can go at each others throats in here, over who's plastic mouse is better and leave controller players to have fun!

Somehow people think that's me being funny when I play both inputs, but I'm not. I feel for many of the console players running at 60fps and now limited to near zero AA. How is that fair compared to some sweat, running a 360hz monitor, with near pin point accuracy on his £1000 PC peripherals and £3.5k computer?

[merry creek]

Amen!!! Some sense at last

[vestal nova]

im not saying that controller shouldnt get aim assist, i played console shooters for 6 years before i ever even touched a keyboard, i completely understand the need for aim assist, but you should not have a level of aim assist that rivals an aimbot. Aim assist in most games will help you aim, you should still need to learn how to actually track people and learn the mechanics, aim assist shouldnt just track me through the sky even though im moving fast asl

@analog anchor yeah input matchmaking is absolutely necessary for ranked, i should never be getting queued with a controller player unless i am in a party with one, and my controller friend should never have to play against a pc player

[old goblet]

New mode for more money reward? Honestly, it needs new modes. As a lover of completing all the achievements, I don't understand how getting the "Deep Pockets" achievement for a total of 50 million cash seems impossible, unless you've played the game for years. You can earn up to $40,000 with Bank It
Even if you can earn $40,000 each time, you need to do it 1250 times - that's an insane grind, so I hope there are new ways to get more money.

[dire ice]

See, you actually get it! But I think people haven't seen my prior comments so it's missing some context. I'm not asking for them to turn back on full AA like before, seeing invisible players was stupid and full tracking makes no sense. However, bringing back the original magnetism but slowly bringing that down in increments of 5%, would be a better option for testing purposes, until they can find the right settings overall. Because let's be honest, this is going to get reverted in some way, regardless of what people think.

The game, very clearly used AA to cover up it's poor responsiveness and feeling on the controller, it's evident more so right now than it ever was. The heavy AA of before, was clearly used to compensate for this. Switching between the two inputs mid game, it's clear like night and day to what input feels like it was developed properly at the forefront.

[crimson egret]

Wow, first person shooter developed for MnK. The horror!

[zenith ocean]

NERF INVISIBILITY???
or add more counters

almost EVERYONE in ranked plays invisibility
light class is by far the strongest and why would you pick another spell if you can pick invisibility?
if you play a full team based on countering them, a full team based on invisibility will still wreck you

[rich fox]

it literally makes the most obnoxious noise whenever they’re around you, and recon senses completely counters it.

[willow cipher]

not completely but it definitely checks it out of viability

[old goblet]

I just think they should increase the time it takes to charge the skill, it's practically infinite how much can be used

[quick coyote]

In the beta it was really easy to see unlike now.
Unless it's just my graphics but I forgot what they were.

[amber compass]

Nerf nuke

[vernal void]

why are turrets so annoying?

[severe mason]

If you get used to it, the sound is super loud and they are pretty much visible if you figure out what they look like when invisible. They take 2-3 seconds to kill, and most of the time a full light team won't be able to keep defending obj.

[vestal nova]

they do a ton of damage and take like a full mag to kill

[valid night]

fix melee bug plz

[zenith ocean]

@rich fox recon senses completely counters it
It doesn't really lol

@old goblet I just think they should increase the time it takes to charge the skill
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

@severe mason the sound is super loud
Sadly you can't hear them with the 300 soundeffects per second lol so what's even the point to make a way to "counter" by how it sounds?

[solid pecan]

I think the heavy class should be strengthened. In my opinion, light classes can easily eliminate them. the health of heavies should be at least 400, and their damage should be increased. In its current state, it seems very illogical.

[urban cloak]

[shell jacinth]

Nerfing everything but turret👎🏾🫡

[severe mason]

Im not saying it isn't a good skill, it is very effective. But I will say it's the only effective skill for light at the moment. And in most cases you can still see the dude.

[native portal]

day 14 of asking for rank based matchmaking for season 2

[sharp acorn]

Nerf light shotty

[valid night]

swap weapon will reset melee cooldown plz fix this some people use macro with this bug can kill you very fast with melee😓

[sleek flare]

nerf taser range back thanks

[quick coyote]

nerf rpg damage

[radiant sinew]

Nah rpg it's fine rn
It's hard to one shot a light if he knows what he's doing

[nocturne falcon]

If they nerf nuke then heavy’s should have rpg for lights it’s the best counter to them

[smoky gust]

what do you think about decreasing its range?

@radiant sinew thing is, even if it doesn't one shot, it still only leaves them at a slither of health
maybe the rpg doesn't one-shot them, but they have basically a 0% chance to win a gunfight afterwards
so they either die anyways or are forced to retreat the second they see a heavy that could potentially have an rpg on hand

[strong escarp]

Wishlist for next week's patch for Heavy:
🔴 C4 count reduced from 2 to 1.
🔴 Lewis Gun damage reduction.
🟢 M60 recoil made significantly easier to control.
🔴 SA1216 spread increase.
🟢 MGL-32 damage increase + grenades explode upon directly hitting a player
🟢 Revert the Flamethrower nerf.
🔴 Mesh Shield HP reduction from 1100 to 1000.
🟢 Reduced cooldown on Charge n' Slam.
🟢 Removing spread from Goo Gun.

[valid night]

lh1 roll back to OB version plz it's a BATTLE RIFLE not a DMR 😡

[junior ridge]

Daily reminder to remove dead go boom

[molten horizon]

sword need a shorter reach

[next sedge]

I've lost every L L L game ranked or not so yeah

[upbeat pebble]

<@&1012034066876473384> Can you make the suggestions a forum please. It would result in much higher quality posts not just a constant feed of ideas.

[sage bison]

ah another troll I see xD, light is the worst class in the game its not even close, if you have eye and ears invis doesn't exist. It is trash

oh did I mention recon?

@tall yew somewhat agree, hard to tell the actual strength of heavy when nuke is removed, really fucks with balance rn

[sonic flare]

Petition to reduce revolver spread it has worse spread than a shotgun..

[tall yew]

Lights are underpowered and Heavies are Overpowered, some tweaks and balances to each are needed

[undone belfry]

Revolver and shotguns are dead anyway on console.... pc players got what they want, all people running fcar, the heavy lmg with the disc and light mp5/shotgun (that shotgun is still variable because of dmg and spread) now. Everything else is dead on console...

Aim assist hasnt impacted for fcar that much, it still beams but shotguns etc are dead. If you miss a Single shot now you are getting shredded, even in close range. On console it should never be that way. When people see shotgun players they now rush them. Because the chance of getting hit is very low now. And the chance of them shredding them because snapping is still there for fcar etc. Is very high.

Either remove snapping completely for everything or Enable it atleadt for the medium shotgun as that gun is completely wasted now

[zinc thistle]

Next week's patch fix*

Fix the stairs, When you jump up the stairs you get stuck in the stairwell
Fix the doors, When you close the door to fast you get stuck in the door and starts glitching

Other wise thanks for a fantastic game ! Keep up!

[smoky gust]

the sound is loud once they are close
aka in optimal range
once you hear it and would be able to react, they are probably already shooting you, leaving it pointless

"they are pretty much visible if you figure out what they look like"
if that were the case, then cloak would not be doing its job
but it obviously does, so I don't think this argument is valid

its not about knowing what it looks like
its about spotting it
and while you only need to spin around quickly for any other enemy
you need to slow down and take your time to thoroughly scan your area frequently to make sure they aren't "sneaking" up on you
it makes the game feel like a chore
the game is basically saying "don't have fun or die"
that wont be healthy for the game

its also a very unbalanced exchange of effort
the light has to press 1 button
meanwhile everyone else has to spend the whole match looking for them so they aren't cheese-killed

"They take 2-3 seconds to kill, and most of the time a full light team won't be able to keep defending obj."
that's more of a reason to buff light than to keep cloak as annoying as it is
they should be balanced by themselves
not be reliant on and forced to use 1-2 specific items at all times to be at least decent

[quick coyote]

Light skills need to be tweaked, dash and hook useless rn, we need faster recharge of hook, more range/speed or two charges, dash need to break glass and have more range

[sonic flare]

That’s exactly the problem, I would love to be competitive with revolver. But it’s significantly unmatched by other guns. I’m not saying make it a pistol but also not saying make it worse than a shotgun either. 💀. Or tbh they could add one more handgun to medium class like deagle or S&W, M9 as an option.

[nimble steppe]

Add keyboard customise for the keys and mouse sensitivity and crosier, on consoles

[undone belfry]

Yeah I know... but they won't do that or hear us console players out. 80% here are on pc. And yeah aim assist has no place on pc, but on console as the majority of people playing this game are casuals. In console ranked you often see the same names over and over again, but in casuals modes you always are Meeting new people. And those people now stand no chance against good players who already are good at fps. So many people now get 0/7, 2/5 KD etc. Kd is not everything but its a shooter. Atleast change the stuff for pc only, reduce aim assist there but don't Touch us console folks. We didnt complain about anything. All complaints came from pc.

And the devs should Listen to what social media is all about regarding the console nerf. Under almost every console related Post its always said that how the Patch made people MAD and or quit the game. Its not a skill issue when one doesnt want to compete in the first place. Now it's either run the 3 famous weapons fcar, lmg with disc and mp5 or loose. No fun allowed for all other weapons for casual players. And also good players because 8/10 a medium shotgun players will loose against a good medium fcar player, close up and medium range. Because one will hit less with shotgun now, but consistently with the fcar.... very unpleasing Patch. Made the game for me less enjoyable as a casual (good) player. All the fun weapons that werent meta (Revolver, medium shotgun and other ones) are completely useless now. And no just running fcar isnt doing it. Not everyone wants to be competitive (or maybe wants to be competitive with a different kind of weapon like the Revolver and doesnt want to run meta), especially in the finals where so much stuff is random. We just wanna have fun with a wide range of Tools. And now most of the fun Tools are useless.

[cunning stag]

I wish! But I don't think that's gonna happen, it looks like just a few players want Kbm support on consoles, they won't listen.

[summer venture]

1000% especially from comp.
Also say 5002 of asking to make light not an immediate throw pick

[brave copper]

We need to be able to see what people on our (ingame) friends list are doing. What game-mode and how much time is left. It would also be nice if there were text chat for your squad in the main menu. In the current state, the ability to add good random teammates as friends is pretty useless.

[upper citrus]

please no lol. the old lh1 was just an objectively better pistol. there was no reason to ever use the pistol because the lh1 just killed 10x faster. it was terrible to play against too

[junior ridge]

Just won a ranked with 2 light teammates out of which one had 8 kills total, they're usually a throw pick though. Having 2 defib spamming mediums is so much better, especially when one can have wh and other has heals. Lights are supposed to be annoying but can't live long enough and don't regen fast enough to be effective.

[leaden stag]

shooting with model is not fun anymore. it felt so good to shoot w it before the update. im on ps, casual player. this update made me realize im not a good player at all. maybe this game is just not for me.

[wicked heath]

Daily reminder to not do such a thing

[lethal chasm]

Dead go boom is fun

[orchid kiln]

Remove wallhacks ty.

[amber compass]

Remove dead go boom it's awful nerf nuke atleast in ranked

[valid night]

it's high dps reward player who can handle it's crazy recoil, that's the right place for a BATTLE RIFLE, pistol have better recoil and bigger magazine, just like AK and FCAR in OB even FCAR have better TTK but most medium are still using AK because AK is much easier to control and have bigger magazine. the problem for lh1 now are LH1 have shitty recoil and it's TTK is very bad, but if dev buff it's damage to 50 it will 3shot kill light that will be OP. so the only way is to roll back to OB version LH1.

[silent flume]

Put an explanation next to the look response curve settings to explain sinusoidal vs exponential vs linear - every other setting has an explanation except the confusing one

[narrow quarry]

Remove aim assist update, game was already revolved around mnk now casual players can’t even have fun playing

[strong escarp]

These new AA complaints are wild. If controller players in Apex can survive and thrive with 40% auto-rotation and no aim snapping, then the same players in THE FINALS can do so with 35% auto-rotation and a tiny bit of aim snapping (especially while this game is easier to aim in).

[subtle niche]

Real talk - how do you actually deal with the nuke? Put tan APS turret on a launchable and run around holding it?

[undone belfry]

Its not you. Its the game. Lights are fast as Rats. Without proper aim assist the Model cannot do much. You either have luck to hit twice or die. Especially because most of the other meta weapons have proper aim assist still. Either you run the same meta guns or you give up playing as there's no point to sweat harder then other people just because you wanna use a gun you like but its doomed with the update

@strong escarp you dont understand like the whole pc community doesnt... Apex legends has a waaaay different aim Mechanic. Aim assist there is brutal, 40% there is like 100% in the finals... Its not like pc where you can basically have the same aim feeling in every game. On console it is waay different.. please dont repsond if you dont know anything about consoles and/or play on pc... let us console players reach out for the devs for our own community... you guys already made it worse for US...

[rose surge]

Someone has terrible aim 😂

[quick coyote]

Shooting beeping and glowing barrels across the location for free triplekill, they really bright and loud ah

[solar trellis]

Linux support cause well why not

[reef imp]

I love the devs

[valid night]

plz nerf recon senses when you active recon senses your position will be expose to other teams too that will make some risk to use it rather than just braindead spam wallhack. also nerf all LMG and AR hipfire accuracy plz.

[gilded lantern]

A feed back I do have about the game is well, colour blindness settings, playing without it makes the colours at least for me (tritanamoly) more distinct than with tritanopia settings on
Yeah, I know that they're two different sets and I'm not the most affected but simply changing the tint to be darker than another of the same hue makes the whole system much harder to distinguish.

• Take a look at colour-blindness scales and they're pretty much one of the better ways to pick out new colours that will look more distinct to someone with said conditions.

[short monolith]

It would also be cool if you could write messages to your friends. Currently you have a lot of friends, but you can't invite them because you can't see whether they're in the match or not. That's how most invitations don't reach you...

[covert yacht]

Hi all, new here i play this game for 3 weeks now, i play on PS5, today i have 2 freeze in my games and can't comeback to playstation menu or game menu, is it anyone having the same as me ?

[inland shadow]

Plz

[finite osprey]

uninstalled until nukes are removed

[waxen tide]

ue5 fix, when?

[crystal storm]

really ruins the game, its such a shame

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E F U C K İ N G N U K E S

[brave copper]

When someone suicides, the game should look for who did the most damage to them recently and give them the kill. I think this is commonly how it works in most shooters.

GL specifically causes this a lot. If someone is pushing a GL up close the GL user will often kill themselves trying to shoot the guy pushing them.

More importantly, people can blow themselves up or jump off the map to stop you from earning money during deathmatch or getting the wipe bonus.

[prisma ledge]

Seems like being a medium player with the strongest class in the game isn't satisfying enough for you. Having a healing beam, recon senses, a defibrillator, an APS turret, and the most powerful weapon isn't enough? Now you want to eliminate the only feature that counters the endless cycle of respawns enabled by defibrillators? If the nuke is removed, everyone will switch to playing as a medium.

[gusty wagon]

-text chat function to team and other payers should be enabled.
-kill cam should be added.

[rich fox]

sounds like you’re just shit at the game lol

[zenith ocean]

LMAO who's the troll here? I was being objective, but I can see not everyone is! =D
Objectively, LIGHT is the best class you can play. More dmg, better tools, better abilities, less counters, smaller hitbox, ...

I'm making feedbacks to improve the quality of the game mostly, I don't really care what's broken or shit in the game since anyway I'm a meta abuser lol I play LIGHT bc it's ridiculously OP. But if you want fair and balance games, just nerf them lol

[sage bison]

Excellent quality bait, everyone knows light is trash tho

[quick coyote]

Currently the game condition is very bad We hope that the game will return to the way it was before

[stark turtle]

I don't have a 4K monitor and upscaling looks terrible on every resolution that is not 4k, so please let us turn off upscaling

[prisma ledge]

Guess I found another medium player @smoky storm

[quick coyote]

Dev
If you going to unban cheater.
Make them start from bronze tier.
I know you are gonna unban most of rewasd like ban wave before.
Be sure take all the thing from them.

[molten rain]

Wondering how long this game will last. With Console players after this update It’s a free game and needs players to enjoy it and spend money on it for Longevity as long as pc players stop crying about aim assist that’s all that matters right?

[swift gyro]

Just learn how to aim man. You don't need aim assist even on controller. It was practically aimbot before

[outer snow]

it would be good to see which friends are currently in a match so you dont needlessly send them an invite, they wont be able to make the 10s join and there is no way of writing each other either...

[zenith ocean]

Nvm you've never played the game I can tell XD

[sage bison]

true XD

[fringe burrow]

Gotta say that game feels kinda close to well balanced but needs some jank removed or replaced. My preference is M>H>L personally but I kinda play all 3. I think defib invincibility needs to go, playing fcar where every round counts in the mag feels awful when I turn a corner and waste half a mag on a guy who is invincible or a medium team is respawning each other and using it as a free shield. If I see a player, they should be shootable. Punish risky defibs.

Also light is kinda fun but feels like more of a deathmatchy class with lacking team support. Can they get more survivability and team support options? Like a gas mask or healing shot they can use on self/teammates that heals 75/100 over a couple seconds? Maybe some kind of team teleporter they can use to facilitate flanks if they get both sides of it down? A microwave gun gadget that can remotely detonate/disable enemy explosives in a cone to counter nukes? A small portable shield like heavy barricade sized? Just feels like they need to bring more to the team play table. Stun gun should just be removed its not fun to play with and just feels bad, played a QC last night with 4 lights running stun and I just quit the game after that. Feels awful, nice try but bad idea. Cloak I think should just go full invis because playing 'spot the blur' in a visually busy game is just not good gameplay, and then either make the user have to uncloak first to shoot or make cloaked shots deal less damage to incentivize an uncloak first. Can maybe let them synergize more with the healing beam and let them overheal up to 200 that decays slowly? Everyone cries nerf lights but I dont think they realize light really needs more on the teamplay side, they just need to be more viable and have a lil bit better survivability.

Heavy feels alright but something with their damage feels off. Lewis gun does what, 1 less damage than the FCAR? Feels like it needs to be bumped down a dmg point or two. Barrels/canisters should be more easily exploded when shot to counter nukes. I think they are fun but counterplay is so lacking for them. Also let nukes kill teammates. Should be high risk high reward.

The game feels really good so far and Ive already finished the bp for this season and unlocked everything, so having some kind of VR/XP sink would be nice.

[amber compass]

Cry

[inner folio]

PLEASE FIX YOUR FUCKING CONSOLE OCEANIA RANKED SERVERS

[sharp spade]

jj

[queen cloud]

they shoul have just removed snap aim assist on ALL guns. Noobs getting used to all these crutches isn't good for the game.

And even it makes it more balanced vs mnk how is it fair to play against software that snaps to target for the player?

[marsh oriole]

i play heavy only, i dont like one shot peopel in a shooting game also i dont like getting nuked in a sec with all my shields and shit. sorry but you are wrong

[steep root]

Pls fix tournaments, i don’t even play a tournament game and still get banned

[karmic cloud]

use win rate statistics in team compositions to determine what needs a nerf. If 3 heavies have a high win rate, nerf some aspects of heavy. If 3 mediums has the highest win rate (it does currently other than mmh which is very similar) then nerf aspects of medium and if lights..aha. just kidding. Light is used by like 1% of high ranking people, buff it already

[prisma ledge]

Guess we can agree to disagree then 🙂

[rough depot]

ear

[rocky verge]

Make guitar play buddy holly buildup and weezer riff

[molten rain]

Just keep console players against console, players and PC against PC

[subtle niche]

That only works if you're out in the open and have space. If you're pushing an indoors cashout, you have almost no counterplay.

[obsidian solar]

Improve melee tracking, it's so annoying when the lock doesn't even work when they're literally in my face

[fiery harness]

would love to see fcar have maybe like 24 bullets, just so you dont have to hit every single shot to kill a heavy, it would feel a lot better

[surreal shadow]

sure, but console players basically need to relearn the entire mechanics around shooting after this patch. I'm not saying that the aim assist didn't need a nerf, but the nerf is too much considering crossplay is impossible to play after the patch. Controllers need some level of aim assist when playing against M&K, anyone who disagrees has never played crossplay on a controller

[queen cloud]

me too but then i'll be too good compared to ak. But maybe both need a slight buff/rework?
I mean heavy has 350hp and lewis does almost same dmg as fcar with 47 bullets!!

[winter solar]

@fallen niche playing the game on steamos right now, it works

[fringe burrow]

or like 1 more dmg point doing 247 to a medium with 3 hs and 5 body shots feels like trash lol that should def be a kill.

[subtle oak]

This is so true. After the snap removal from sniper and shotguns, players running these weapons are easy kills.

I do understand that the snapping we had on console was too strong but now I don’t feel like im going to enjoy using the sniper anymore, because it’s unreliable unlike other guns.

Automatic guns like MP5 and FCAR are now superior on console and guns like LH1, revolver, shotguns and sniper will barely be used now.

[urban cloak]

we can still beam on a roller tho, it depends on the settings and the player ofc

[sonic flare]

Omfg bro I’m tired of hearing this whole AA vs PCMR bs, if you want to spend 3k on a gaming pc and equipment that’s on you but don’t be complaining when you lose. I know some people that play on pc complain when changes are made lose matches, cheat then still complain. For us console users get over it and just play the game bro, like go outside goes for both sides.

[zealous walrus]

Yes to cut down YOUR incessant whining, the solution towards all AA issues is to get good. Unfortunately.

[quick coyote]

Dev, you says your agenda is fun.
https://youtu.be/h5NnatfZifo
Its about crosshair unmatched with gun animation.
Don't just fix with bullet spread.
This is not fun. We call this lazy.
I believe you guys can do it.

[jagged parcel]

A roadmap announcement would be great

[sage bison]

Awww that sucks buddy sorry you won't be able to abuse cheats anymore

[queen rover]

Please consider adding an accessibility option for full auto on semi auto guns.

[plush grotto]

That defeats the purpose of making a gun semi auto

[worldly fable]

Allow people to customize their clothes colours.

It's so lame having to always wear these black/yellow clothes, allow people to customize colors for clothes, hats and accessories

[jade surge]

I don't know where this fits, so I'm sending it here

Problem: Easy Anti Cheat blocking network (Only happening with The Finals)

I had a problem that within 2-5 minutes into a match, my connection would randomly be stopped, making my character freeze, but still be able to be killed, and eventually, I'd get disconnected.

Re-installing the game didn't work and for some reason I couldn't use any setup manager/exe. Also deleting every file related to Easy Anti Cheat (EAC) prevented me from launching the Finals, and not gave me any option to re-install EAC, even by re-installing The Finals again.

How I resolved my problem: When you launch BattleBit Remastered, it gives an option to install & repair easy anti cheat, using that everything went back to normal.

Suggestion: As there's an option with BattleBit, have an option to install & repair EAC within The Finals.

[merry creek]

Thank you for clarifying all mighty choosen one, may we bask in your glory for a 1000console cycles and may the box of X forever be in your graces.... mug

[thorn sundial]

So they nerfed controller players where the ones abusing it where MnK players using cheats and remap apps, wtf, The nerf souldnt be applied to all controller players, the nerf was exagerated now it´s too difficult to play with sniper, devs are punishing controller player base cause MnK players where usiing cheats, a solution could be input matchmaking, but MnK will again use remapping stuff to vulnerate that Input matchmaking

[solid pecan]

i think aim assist needs to bring back...

[undone belfry]

Yeah unfortunetly not many console players here. The devs ignore this. Because well pc players are happy...

@thorn sundial yep unfortunetly... I hope the adjust the aim assist for CONSOLE only.. like disable aim assist on pc with controller, destroy it do whatever you like.. but don't Touch us console folks.. we werent whining about anything aim assist related.

The game has more issues that both Partys struggle of, the nuke, ranked matchmatking, cloacking, recon etc...

Aim assist isnt a Problem on console, it's a feature that lets casual players enjoy the game!

Look at all the pc players reacting to US... like wtf are you guys want to achieve? You play on pc let us argue here for our console playerbase..

There should be a sperertate discord channel for console at this point... we cannot get our voices to the devs this way ..

@zealous walrus dude.. why do you respond when you on pc!!! Dont respond when I hit a nerve. You are not bringing up something usefull. You dont know the console playerbase. I never said Aa was perfect. But turning it off like they did with the Patch is! Pc and console is A SEPERATE group ffs. Just sh** up

[keen dragon]

why cant i go into practice with my team? makes no sense, please add this as a feature. the game is litterally a 3 team game only lol

[restive hawk]

Is anyone having network problems on pc ? I’m talking about EU servers..

[sage bison]

Keep crying rollers, I'm loving it. You can't abuse aim assist as hard anymore and now ur shitty play is being exposed. Good job Embark!

YES PLEASE MORE PEOPLE THUMBS DOWN 😂. Roller trash

[zealous walrus]

It’s like every time you send a message in here you’re segregating console players and pc players. I low key hate that. Rubs me the wrong way fr. Looking at it completely objectively, an overtuned AA needs a nerf. Period. Stop separating us into two separate groups of players, we’re all players in the finals, we all want the game to succeed and get good updates. Bringing up the fact pc players wanted the AA nerf than anyone is false. I know so many people I’ve played with or got to play the game that turned off AA because it was too much, console players. It’s not us vs you or you vs us. Stop labeling as if the problem is PC players and not the over tuned AA. You are close minded.

[sonic flare]

Anyways Medium needs another handgun because revolver just ain’t doing it

[stoic mantle]

For me now it is impossible to enjoy it in the slightest, I don't know if a nerf to the AA was really needed but I think they have gone a little too far, I don't see a bad thing about separating the mnk players on one side and the command players on the other, I think so we would all be happy

[bleak coral]

tbf if its a console only lobby u guys can have 90% aim assist for all anyone cares, reason why pc and mnk players hate controllers is from top controller players on (mainly) pc who dont need any aim assist getting 50% (now 35%) aim assist - meaning they dont miss a shot.
if they just made it so mnk players played only against mnk if they wanted to, they can make aim assist however strong they like. if one person has software making their aim better, and the other doesn't - that isnt fair. and yes for controller you have to be that much better than ur kbm opponent to beat them. if u want controller to be the best input go play rocket league 🙂 itd be like giving kbm players in rocket league ball assist where it automatically lines ur shot up to the goal perfectly. (controller would be mad that kbm gets software to make them better with no additional skill)

[thorn sundial]

yeah it´s a good solution, the thing is that MnK players will use remapp stuff to avoid that matchmaking, and there are people who play with controller on pc, just playing meta SMG and AR, that´s the most generic stuff in a game, the fun is playing with rare weapons, snipers, revolvers, and that stuff that requires skill and timing, don´t put weapons if you´re going to promote a SMG AR meta, at least give those few random players that like to use those high learning curve weapons, MnK players all do is empty mags of smgs and ar, i play on pc with controller, now it´s too difficult to hit long range shots with sniper, they are punishing us because the MnK cheaters, there´s no pc players and console players, there´s controller players and MnK players

[mental mirage]

Sometimes if I vanish bomb or cloak the same frame I get shot, I get stuck in a state of permanent client side invisibility making it very hard to play the rest of the match. Going invis multiple times after does not fix the issue. Please fix :D

[zealous walrus]

The fucking segregation between players is weird. AA got what was needed. Please talk about other things, there are actual issues people are bringing up that get washed away from the AA spam. Like Colin and his client side invis bug. If you want to contradict me and argue, don’t. Just shut up. I’m not talking about it anymore.

[daring fossil]

stop putting me into losing games that are 1 minute from ending THANKS

[merry creek]

@molten rain this guy gets it 👏

[quick coyote]

what issues are you talking about, they just added ton of microtransactions, im sure that will fix the game, hackers, crying rewasd AIMBOT kids that got banned yesterday and useless abilities problems

[stoic mantle]

100% agree, I imagine there is some way for the developers to control what type of input you play with and honestly I don't see the problem with separating according to input, I also play with a controller on PC and I don't want a person (probably very good player) with a sensitivity of 200 and with perfect recoil control destroyed me every game, and i understand PC players consider it unfair that those of us that use controller have a lot of AA, so I see it as a plausible and fair solution for everyone enjoy their matches, just me opinion

[smoky storm]

All gun sight sway removed during ADS,stay centered on screen,ironsights included

Healing beam is interrupted for 1/4-1/3 second if target takes bullet dmg.help prevent mercy healbotting cosplay.environmental/gas/fire dmg does not trigger cd

Remove/nerf Recon: #👂┇game-feedback message
Replace Recon with Defib as a specialization, or nerf defib

Turret(potentially other gadgets) hitbox fix(bullets go through gaps gives turret greater than intended EHP)

Glitch nade explodes on impact with shield, player, or equipment.otherwise regular fuse

double barrel shotty nerf

1.5-2x Dash range
2 charges of grapple hook

Gadget/C4/RPG Nerf:#👂┇game-feedback message

Option for "sprint always enabled" / auto sprint, or sprint/sliding interaction reworked(Please see this video, where it is described in detail https://youtu.be/tdOKEgrwZHc)

Option for more neutral background colors, too vibrant, causes eyestrain

Please give alternate team colors, colors are hard to distinguish

Allow for separate Jump/Vault keybinds on MNK

Allow access to the keybinds config file for improved keybind options

Using scroll wheel for jump/vault causes inconsistency, please fix/address

Improve subregion matchmaking(always low ping)

built in performance and network indicators FPS, ping, packet loss

Input based matchmaking(no raw input/aim assist mixing).Full MNK support for console.This is probably the most important thing for longterm MNK playerbase - please dont be another apex, cod, halo which becomes controller dominated and unplayable as mnk!Gyro(no AA)can play with MNK

solo ranked queue w/ forced 1L1M1H team and role queue(separate ladder to current ranked)

In ranked mode, all teams start with 10k, instead of 0(more stakes when fighting early)

Option to disable TAA and all anti-aliasing(I beg!)

Reduce gas and dust particle opacity

ladders do not autoclimb

[sage bison]

Nice to see all the roller casual trash consoling each other today. Can't abuse AA anymore so now you suck xD

Please keep whining rollers, pretty sure I could water fast for a year and sustain myself on your tears

xD if you are a casual player why do you care about balance? You only play the game for fun so it shouldn't matter to you and your opinion on it doesn't matter 💯

[shrewd vine]

I'm not sure what other people think but I'm really not a fan of the night time maps. Its legitimately a strain on my eyes to see. I'd prefer if they weren't there or they were more like dusk.

[thorn sundial]

Yeah but it would be better if they adjust it For CONTROLLER PLAYERS, be Console or Pc playing with controller, they are the ones affected by the MnK bypass things, like rewasd, cheats, remap stuff, etc. A Great solution to this nonsense is to implement Input matchmaking, but the problem is that MnK will do anything to bypass that thing with remap stuff, just like they did with the Aim assist, now controller players on console and pc have a Huge disadvantge with one shot wepons, now it´s impossible to use the sniper, and throwing knifes, hope this game doesn´t turn into a smg/ar meta, they need to make all the weapons viable for every player, not only for MnK players

One example of failed justice between input is overwatch 2, they wiped out aim asisst from pc, and it´s impossible to play for players that prefer controller on pc, becuase, it´s more comfortable, Devs should take this very carefuly

The best solution is input matchmaking and banning remap apps

[molten rain]

@undone belfry 100%

[undone belfry]

Bro you are so egoisticall.. wtf do you mean by important things and actual issues!! Colin (a pc gamer) has an issue. Do you think me as a console Player give a damn? No but well I don't say that he should not post stuff because it doesnt involve my console experience... for the pc community thats important. As important as aim assist is for us console community people... stop beeing so 1 sided sheesh... let us rant when there's a reason to and stop interfering in our console feedbacks!

[subtle oak]

Unfortunately you aren’t smart enough to add any useful input in this tab.

Controller will always be worse than mnk, before the update it was worse than mnk and now it definitely is.

I’m not a competitive player at all. It’s going to be a lot less fun for a lot of console players that just like to chill and not completely sweat out a game.

But for those who are competitive it is unfair playing with a controller against good pc players. If you are good on mnk, controller will always be worse.

Input based matchmaking would have been a nicer solution for casual console players.

Aiming with your whole arm does not equal aiming with just your thumb for anyone thats going to say ‘skill issue’ or anything along those lines.

[silent flume]

A version of tournament where each team has to have a balanced team of L/M/H

Players using the same class unable to stack specializations in ranked (2 mediums cannot both run healing beam, for instance)

Ranked tournament should consist of one round of each map instead of the same map with 4 variations

Single C4 for heavies with a decreased cooldown time instead of 2 C4 at current cooldown time

Make recon senses so once you hit it, it drains and cannot be toggled on and off. Or make it so recon senses can only be used X amount of times per match

[leaden stag]

like people already mentioned. as a casual console player, i play for fun. fun!

i mained model gun bcos it was a good feel to shoot with it. it was abt the feeling. it felt good... and now it doesnt.

[mental mirage]

The problem is the same is true for controller, a good controller player can roll the average mnk player and thats how it should be

[tulip wave]

Please add Auto Sprint as an option. We shouldn’t have to give up precious controller button real estate for sprinting. An option should be there to make it happen on full stick tilt

[amber compass]

So u need the game to play for you is what your saying 💀 news flash Ur aim is just bad and game was playing for you

[merry creek]

How dare you sully the good name of our Lord!!😂 He was chosen by the tech gods to rule over us lowly console players, reminding us that only PC matters and all others must simply "get gud"....he's the SEP....self entitled prick

[topaz seal]

my gas grenade just bounced off air into my face

[stone aurora]

Man I hope next patch they can fix the joining a game whenever there's less than 5 mins left in the game it's crazy 2 times in a row one time 3 times in a row I joined and it was the end of the game xD

[dull vessel]

Is mouse finally work on ps5?

[sage bison]

WHAT?? HAHA. The Roller delusions/copium is off the charts today AND I'M HERE FOR IT. PLEASE CRY MORE.

Embark this was a meaningful and impactful change, thank you for listening to community feedback, this is a good sign for things to come.

insta thumbs down = roller trash spotted, incoming response crying about how the game isn't fun anymore because they can't abuse cheats xD

List of users who's opinions should be disregarded and ignored:
@subtle oak
@undone belfry
@merry creek
@languid nexus
@leaden stag
@thorn sundial
@blissful furnace
@graceful elbow

Keep Crying.

[subtle oak]

Yeah that is clearly what I said…

If it was such a big problem for you, than I wasn’t the only one with bad aim. You have a whole arm. 😉

It’s past your bedtime @sage bison , you haven’t given any useful points regarding the aim assist. All you do is talk shit.

[icy parcel]

Game is garbage and will always be garbage.

[quick coyote]

I think
Most of dev want to bind MnK and Controller in match making.
Cause it's easy to manage balance.
In controller scene, faster light might be strong.
In MnK, nukeable dps is more important.
If they bind both, They just need to adjust aim assist.

[undone belfry]

I hope the devs read those posts here... its important that they see that after the Patch most of the console players (not pc controller- CONSOLE PLAYERS) are unhappy.

[surreal shadow]

Just remove crossplay all together and give controller players aim bot back. We don't want to play with those m&k scumbaggos anyways

[thorn sundial]

Pc controller players too, it´s a matter of inputs, not platforms

[deft crane]

buff sniper

[mental mirage]

Im for the AA nerf lmao, I was countering the argument that "a good mnk players stomps the average console player" which is true for any input type lmao

[regal estuary]

Issues and needed tweaks:

-In the main menus or non-match areas, uncapped FPS overworks computers unnecessarily. Most other games limit main menu FPS to 60, like Overwatch.

-Overall FPS consistency is extremely low with uncapped FPS; dynamic ray tracing may be the cause. Due to these extreme fluctuations, I limit my FPS to around 100. If these inconsistencies were fixed, I could play at much higher framerates, like 165 or 144.

-Another concern is that, even on low settings, the game consistently takes up 50%+ of my 5950x, using 8-10 cores.

Tweaks I suggest:

-While the game has upscaling tech, consider adding super sampling or an option to disable these technologies. Given the game's CPU reliance, this could improve performance significantly.

-Regarding matchmaking, prioritize quality over speed, especially in ranked play, given the game's substantial playerbase.

[molten rain]

@sage bison was you pc players not the ones crying about aim assist? Yet your the ones that cheat the most along with xim an whatever you cheaters use these days

[viral wigeon]

Nerf aim assist even more no need for roller dogs if they can’t play with 35% aim assist they must be playing with 1 hand

[daring fossil]

you're kind of wrong, I've been playing shooters on PC with a mouse for 25+ years and I played 1 round of QP with a controller (pre-AA nerf) and performed almost as well as I normally do, aim assist was straight up broken and obviously had an advantage if I could still get kills with zero controller skill/aiming ability

@sage bison they don't listen to feedback (kind of) they use the feedback to then investigate, and their data showed that aim assist had an advantage (a dev said this). They don't balance based on feedback, they balance based on data #⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[open fulcrum]

1. region lock china
2. add textchat, then it would be possible to communicate with non voip players

[amber compass]

nerf aim assist even more they have whole thumb to aim and can spin as long as they want not fair stop them doing this i run out of mouse room

[severe mason]

I hate the UE5 crashes that happens all the time when playing the game. No issues then poof gone.

I have tried:

1. Update Graphics Card Drivers

2. Lower Game Settings

3. Verify Game File Integrity

4. Reduce System Load

5. Check for Hardware Issues (no overheating issue occurs/literally a 2500 setup)

6. Update Operating System

7. Re-install the game

[silent flume]

“I don’t want them to have an advantage but I would like an advantage”

I’m sure they are testing the new AA to see if it needs to be tweaked again

[coral axle]

audio bug that Sound like you underwater recreated by joining a new game, other then that audio is the best in the FPS space 👍

[dull vessel]

Add mnk to console, set matchmaking based on devices. Controllers vs controllers mnk vs mnk. Everyone will be happy.

Console players don’t need aim assist if we could play with mnk that’s fucking simple

Fuck aim assist just give me my mouse

[ebon peak]

Hello,, MnK support on Ps5 please🙏

[subtle oak]

Thats a good point. It was very strong before but as someone said earlier, comparing mnk to controller is like comparing a F1 car to a regular car.

Mnk is just better for shooters than a thumbstick and it will never be equal. And than you end up with too much aim assist and a whole lot of mnk players complaining.

@dull vessel If they add mnk support to console, they have to add input based matchmaking. I don’t know anyone on controller that likes playing against the superior mnk.

[sage bison]

Sure let's let roller trash play vs other roller trash just keep that AA cheating out of my games so skill can be the determining factor, not a computer algorithm helping compensate for your shitty aim and platform. If I don't have to play w/ it then give rollers 200% auto-aim and a spin bot for all I care

why do you want mnk on console? just sell that pos and use the money to get a PC, you can get a PC that destroys consoles spec wise for prob 500-600$

@daring fossil Finally some sanity in this chat, agreed

@thorn sundial Hmm I'm a mnk PC master race blah blah and I fuckin hate REWASD users, you know we have to play vs that shit too? literal cheats. #👂┇game-feedback message maybe don't speak if you don't know. This is why ur on the list of idiots to ignore

Gigachad @gleaming geyser Has earned my respect, be more like this person rollers

[elder copper]

hello i have 40 fps when playing the finals? any idea why? im using ryzen 7 4800 and rtx 3050

[neat siren]

Wow, I come here to actually see the feedback, but it feels like there's civil war going on.

[undone belfry]

Yeah well that whas what i expeted too but well.. it is what it is

[thorn venture]

holy fuck stop bitching about AA. either learn how to aim or turn off cross play

[daring fossil]

they just shouldn't play together at all, 2 completely different experiences and they can never be balanced properly (look at COD 2019/warzone 1 all the top players were using controller, now COD has input-based MM because it's truly the only way. pre nerf a good controller player could easily destroy the average kb/m player in this game, and casual players could still get easy kills too. Now a good controller player has to work a bit harder but can still destroy kb/m players unless they are shroud level aim gods (which despite what controller players think, not all mouse players have that skill). all the casual controller players have no raw aim skill and have no intention of improving their raw aim skill (like most mouse users have to do). if the game released with the aim assist this way, we probably wouldn't have all the crying, because people would have just gotten used to it. The issue is that controller players were given an aim bot for 2 months and now it was taken away and they have to learn how to aim. which according to them is like a second job.

[midnight sierra]

wait do people really have an issue with the game's target snap assist being nerfed??? it deadass did nothing noticeable to tracking, it just doesnt do the instant target snap that it used to do. dont get me wrong controller objectively needs aim assist, only difference is it now assists aim instead of trying to target enemies for u.

anyone who knows how to track somewhat decently literally wont notice a difference (it actually felt more responsive for me since its not trying to align for me, i can freely align by myself without over-aiming bc of it 💀). with that said mnk players demanding ANOTHER aim assist nerf is insanity, and as another mnk player i hope i dont ever matchmake with yall in game

[severe mason]

My good suggestion:

Please have the game have crash detection. I get people rage quit a lot, but I shouldn't have to wait 6 minutes after every crash due to UE5 being UE5.

[silent flume]

Not sure exactly what the timer is for health regeneration to start, but it’s over 10 seconds and that’s just a bit much

[thorn sundial]

WE NEED INPUT BASED MATCHMAKING, AND MnK PLAYERS WILL DO ANYTHING TO AVOID THAT MATCHMAKING LIKE THEY DID WITH REWASD TO OBTAIN AIM ASSIST ALTHOUGH THEY HAD LONG RANGE SUPPERB PRECISION MnK PLAYERS WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED, controller players be pc or console players with controller input shouldn´t be treated like trash

[subtle oak]

Very nice way of saying it. Glad to hear someone actually giving good points and not just ‘controller trash, cry more noobs’.

I agree with you over the fact that aim assist was too strong for 2 months and if it started out like it is today, there would have been no discussion.

Sadly it was in the game and now all console players have to ‘relearn’ the game sort of. It’s a big change for some weapons. (sniper and shotguns mostly)

[quick coyote]

No.
#👂┇game-feedback message
#👂┇game-feedback message

[lean barn]

controller needs aim assist. Aim assist does not need to be in pc lobbies.

its way too earlier to tell if aim assist needs another nerf. The only real solution is input based matchmaking or no aim assist on pc.

[gleaming geyser]

Tbh AA is for pussies..
R6S has no aim assist since the beginning, but we learned it through the years and now can play against 3rd party MNK on consoles. It's basically just knowledge and skill to outplay raw aim.. (I have seen controllers beat MNK players, and its satisfying because we were able to do it)

Fps are meant for MNK anyway, now if you want really use a controller for an fps then "git gud"
You don't use regular cars for F1 races..

Remove aim assist, let people adapt to the change.
Any excuse for having aim assist are idiots that don't know how the real world is unfair.

The only reason why MNK players are abusing REWASD, because they wanna climb top 500 less..
If you just play up to diamond, you don't really get beam instadeath that much, and even then we still managed to beat the abuser when we encountered one.. We just adapt and get smarter against cheaters.. we don't complain here and ask devs to bring AA back because we can't adapt and git gud 🥴🥴🥴

[marsh pelican]

LF EU 1 PLAYER UNRANKED TOURNAMENT

[quick coyote]

Good job on the Aim assist now please GET RID OF C4 BARRELS. Now because of aim assist nerfed and rewasd removed more people are falling to heavy c4 barrel it takes NO skill and adds nothing meaningful other than being paranoid 24/7 that you're going to be AOE nuked

[daring fossil]

I donno, im pretty satisfied with not being beamed with 6 headshots in a row by a controller player who can barely walk through a door properly.

@subtle oak yeah but with snipers and shotguns they literally just had to push ADS and then fire and it was guaranteed hit because of the aim-snapping. The amount of roller players running sniper CQC and just quickscoping you was absurd.

@lean barn but there are still roller players on PC (why anyone would use a controller to play shooters on pc (unless of course it was easier 🤔 ) is beyond me and another discussion, but they exist).

@gleaming geyser agreed, game sense and knowledge will trump aim skill any day, even in this game. I've gotten wins against teams with 40+ total kills when my team only had like 10 total kills

[sage bison]

bye bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out

[wheat haven]

gonna cry?

[open fulcrum]

optimize the game. ive been trying to get my friend on but it lags so much for him, even when his settings on low and hes well over minimum requirements

[merry creek]

PC players proving to be the most toxic thing since fukushima... Southpark WoW scene... we know what you lot are really like 😉

[inner hill]

add cooldown to recon so can't infinite toggle and make recon have an item in their hand so they cannot shot while it is active

[neat siren]

But so far, the nerf was justify, AA was pretty crazy anyway. No need to trash talk, guys. The removal of aim-snap is amazing just like it shouldn't exist in the first place, e.g. like locking on to the head, even I'm a controller player I haven't seen anything like this in any game

Oh yeah, before anything I must give my own feedback.
As a pc based controller player, I play the game w/o aim assist when I saw that reddit post bout the AA doing 180deg turn for him and I noticed that myself. It is actually playable. Also, the AA post nerf feels almost identical to what I experienced w/o AA, feels pretty good so far.

[keen steppe]

Light:
Should get faster regenration out of combat to improve their harass-playstyle.

Someone else mentioned a stimshot item which could also work out instead of changing the regen timer. Maybe even make it so you can choose to give that stim to a teammate instead of using it only on yourself.

The sniper could use some love aswell. Not too sure about in what way tho, since that could easily make it too strong. Some experimentation with firerate might be a good first step imo.

M11 is in a weird spot too, it technically is slightly stronger than the xp-45 up close but overall still significantly worse. Maybe enhance the close-range capabilities even more so there is a clear difference between the two.

Sword should be able to hit multiple opponents with the charge attack. (The reverse of heavies hammer)

Medium:
After getting resurrected by defib you should not have invulnerability.

If you get defibbed as a medium you should have your own defib go on cooldown to prevent chain defibs.
OR
Make it so defib isnt instant but just significantly shortens the regular revive-time. Like a sped up version of the normal revive where youd have to keep facing the downed-player trophy.

In addition a reduced effect for multiple healing beams on the same target would be good aswell. One beam heals for 100%, two beams would heal for more than 100% but less than 200%.

A change for recon sense also wouldnt hurt. Maybe make it so it functions similar to thermal vision of light. Where you have to pull out a tablet to activate it and it stays activated for a set amount of time and goes on cooldown afterwards. Also make it pulse every 5 seconds instead of a continuous vision. Each pulse would outline enemies for 1.5 seconds.

Heavy:
Hammer horizontal swings should be able to hit multiple opponents. (The reverse of lights sword)

Performance:
Some performance and optimization improvements are very needed aswell.

Melee AA should be toggleable.

[undone belfry]

Yeah. I feel like they are the King Kong type in the internet but extremely introverted and weird in real life. Those arguments... dough

Ill just remind it everyday till a dev says we are working on it or says we won't change aim assist. Either way the devs should inform us.

Because then we can easily decide to quit or stay in the game. All my friends left since the Patch. They went negative so hardly because they play revolver snd shotguns and stuff because the recoil is hard for them to control. Im only enjoying this because of shotguns and the weird interactions. But im not sweating it an Adapt to use fcar only on console. This game is no fun if everyone plays the same stuff

[still steeple]

I get you PC players , makes sense you learned the game in way you thinks deserves more credit but genuinely don’t get those saying AA is for pussies … games are tested by pros and devs before they release (countless hours) and they determined AA is need on controller and not pc because we have one thumb to aim yall got a whole hand 🖐️ and a forearm… yes maybe don’t mix the platforms but what you complaining about is something I know half of pc players would struggle learning (controler without AA in anygame). Of course the skill gap is different but when we get a tool to match that gap, literally in every game the ones complaining are PC players… I mean we also get beamed lol no complaints even in higher competition if a controller player show up and beats you guys it “AA”

[thorn sundial]

Hi, pc roller player here, in my case i used to play on MnK in games like fortnite i used to switch between MnK and Controller, there were days where i preferred one or another, but with the time i got shaking hands, and actually im on a medical treatment that give me more shakes in both of my hands, so it´s more comfortable for me the controller, i know it´s a very specific case, and aim assist should not been op, but aiming at long ranges with sniper now is pain, i think that controller got overnerfed, but the nerf was neccesary, a solution is the following:

Input based matchmaking, but, overwatch 2 put no aim asisst on pc, and turned the back on pc players that use controllers, you can´t exclude those players, don´t be like overwatch 2

So i don´t see why MnK players complain, they have enghanced precision, if they lose they´re just bad, like controller players, there´s a difference between avg controller player and good ones, now giving more advantage to MnK is not the solution, if they don´t want to help controller at least give them input matchmaking so they can play with their own input

[quick coyote]

Just to add to the controller part.
I have friends that are just so used to controllers they use them on PC because "idk I want to" lol. I also have to use mine sometimes from my brain going haywire and my hand coordination on mnk being horrendous (I still don't want AA tho). There's also people that (SOMEHOW) think it's better than mnk.

AA nerf is good.
AA was stronger then apex.
Apex has faster movement and more complex inventroy management.
I think controllers angry cause embark give stronger AA first.

Keep going embark.
You are doing great and this is best game i ever played.

[daring fossil]

literally turn off crossplay and you're on a level playing field with everyone else on console. this makes no sense to me. play with people with the same disadvantages and advantages as you, or get good if you want to play with pc players. PC players don't have this luxury, we can turn off crossplay, but people still use controller on pc. console players playing with crossplay off and still crying just want easy mode.

[quick coyote]

ultimate hot take, but maybe... if you need a roller on pc... and need AA.. that sounds like a YOU problem specifically, if I needed accomodations I would change the game I play instead of forcing everyone / game to accomodate me? Just play games with better AA support. But just because a minority might have specific use cases, then just buy a console? But why do PC players on MnK have to suffer?

[median kernel]

The AA Nerf was the right choice however i read a Lot that " AA should bE removed " Well you cant AIM as good with a Controller as with MnK because you use less Muskels ( the thump ) then with a MnK ( the arm ) a thump cant do Micro adjustment as good as with your whole arm, to Balance that AA was invented ( my English is Bad sorry)

[sour bane]

My only wish for the next week to two is simply a small buff to Light so that I don't feel like I am actively throwing using it in Ranked. I hate playing Med/Heavy because they're so slow, but I play it bc of the utility it brings. I'm not asking for a lot 🙏🏻

[merry creek]

They can't handle the truth 😂

[gleaming geyser]

I do understand your point, so that's why I stand and suggest that for consoles you get to have, less recoil to circumvent this rather than having AA..

Rainbow 6 siege have this, most of our gun really have a noticeable difference on console. (Low/reduce recoil). And when playing on MNK the recoil is too much but that wasn't even an issue as having good recoil control still make any gun a laser beam. Proven by pros on esport.

Now I do get the frustration with console players that they remove AA without a replacement or adjustment for what they remove. Which is a really bad move for me.

If you would remove a key feature then at least compensate right? But now devs haven't have any of that YET.. hoping that they can test and readjust it more, so both consoles and pc are happy

[neat siren]

I'm also in similar situation with you, I used to play with MnK before during my Uni days, heck I don't even care about controller. But during my clinical year I noticed how hard the workload can be for my arms, wrists, and neck that's why I started to play with a controller.

P.s I wish you fast recovery, dude

[undone belfry]

@daring fossil

Bro you're really LIKE REALLY DUMB. as i and alot of others said before, CROSSPLAY IS CONSOLE ONLY, Ps5 and xbox, no PC!!!!

This game has the best crosplay type = PLATFORM ONLY!! Its not like cod or other games where you play against pc with crossplay on. Its CONSOLE ONLY!!

the only time you play with pc players is when you have someone who is a pc player in your pre lobby, like when you play with a pc friend.

Look at the scoreboards, you only see steam Icons... dude you're so dumb like I can't... just please.... stop Posting this nonsense...

Sry for cussing but damn man. Since yesterday you keep spreading this misinfo to rant over console players...

[sage bison]

Bro you're really LIKE REALLY DUMB. as i and alot of others said before, CROSSPLAY IS CONSOLE ONLY, Ps5 and xbox, no PC!!!!

This game has the best crosplay type = PLATFORM ONLY!! Its not like cod or other games where you play against pc with crossplay on. Its CONSOLE ONLY!!

the only time you play with pc players is when you have someone who is a pc player in your lobby.

Look at the scoreboards, you only see steam Icons... dude you're so dumb like I can't... just please.... stop Posting this nonsense...

Sry for cussing but damn man. Since yesterday you keep spreading this misinfo to rant over console players...

[quick coyote]

Bro you're really LIKE REALLY DUMB. as i and alot of others said before, CROSSPLAY IS CONSOLE ONLY, Ps5 and xbox, no PC!!!!

This game has the best crosplay type = PLATFORM ONLY!! Its not like cod or other games where you play against pc with crossplay on. Its CONSOLE ONLY!!

the only time you play with pc players is when you have someone who is a pc player in your lobby.

Look at the scoreboards, you only see steam Icons... dude you're so dumb like I can't... just please.... stop Posting this nonsense...

Sry for cussing but damn man. Since yesterday you keep spreading this misinfo to rant over console players...

[daring fossil]

OMG NOT XIM WHATEVER WILL YOU DO WHEN WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH STRAIGHT UP RAGE HACKERS

@undone belfry then stop crying, everyone on console has the same disadvantages

[oak kernel]

Bro you're really LIKE REALLY DUMB. as i and alot of others said before, CROSSPLAY IS CONSOLE ONLY, Ps5 and xbox, no PC!!!!

This game has the best crosplay type = PLATFORM ONLY!! Its not like cod or other games where you play against pc with crossplay on. Its CONSOLE ONLY!!

the only time you play with pc players is when you have someone who is a pc player in your lobby.

Look at the scoreboards, you only see steam Icons... dude you're so dumb like I can't... just please.... stop Posting this nonsense...

Sry for cussing but damn man. Since yesterday you keep spreading this misinfo to rant over console players...

[tepid trench]

Day 14 of asking that 3000 diamonds can be converted into 5 multi bucks

[thorn sundial]

Thanks! 😄 ❤️

[quick coyote]

If they need to fix anything it's the Meta crutch of C4 barrels. Look, sometimes, once a game. It's fine It's cool. But literally everytime it's the only way people get free kills

[wide musk]

true

[severe lava]

*their

[unkempt basalt]

Can we get an actual kill feed so I know the person I was shooting just got killed by another team now pushing. Can we also get icons stating if we got a hs or not because cool

[calm orbit]

IAmA: Projectile Enjoyer looking for some alt fire throwing knives buffs (pls)

[gleaming geyser]

I do suggest as both console and pc players to have recoil adjustment for consoles.

You see even if MNK that uses REWASD to have less recoil isn't gonna be super imbalance against PC players.. I mean its just recoil, git gud on MNK and your gun is the same with someone having less recoil.

Now for consoles that uses thumb to aim, will benefit to match someone using their whole arm to aim.
Now with that as a pc player even If I got beam to the head by a reduce recoil controller player, I will now be saying that he/she is good. Unlike before that oh nice auto aim to the head buddy. 😒

So no aim assist, but dont remove console players their whole arm by not replacing it. Instead have them recoil adjustment. Now their thumbs don't have to do what an arm can only do.

[quick coyote]

cry aimbot kid

[subtle oak]

Feedback tab turned into flame tab and its not even the big update yet

[daring fossil]

i agree, you only see the kill feed for people your team kills. I would like to see kill feeds if another team kills a player I was shooting at. (I think there is a sound when you get an assist this way though)

@calm orbit throwing knives just need a buff across the board. the air/movement spread/deviation needs to be removed so I can trickshot someone off a bounce pad and they need a longer range so I can throw them further than 15 feet without looking at the sky. I think damage and animation/throw speed is mostly fine though. right-click can oneshot lights and mediums with headshot.

@subtle oak console casuals just crying about having to actually move their thumbs now.

[sudden karma]

everyone on controller just got fucked over because of people using rewasd. it completely changed the meta on console so its a pretty big change

[wooden shale]

The Light class' Motion Sensor does not work towards challenges regarding detecting opponents, which is awfully weird. Seems like this still needs to be fixed.

[quick coyote]

So i can see
Console : Why me?
Pc controllers : Im with console, buff pls.
MnK : Nah, nerf both.
🧠 : input based match making pls

[bleak coral]

Check pins in the finals chat, it's because the stats show controller outperforming kbm to a significant degree - there's hardly any rewasd users compared to the controller player base so "stats not valid" is not valid.

[thorn sundial]

For 5281th time, it´s no pc and console, it´s MnK and Controller players, JESUS!

[frozen ice]

.

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E F U C K İ N G N U K E S A N D B A L A N C E U N U S E D W E A P O N S

[quick coyote]

Game is still rampant with cheaters. Please fix

[gleaming geyser]

My point is :

PC = MNK
Console = controller

Now you do know that using controller on pc will give you disadvantages. That is someone's choice.
Like what I said before you dont use regular cars on a F1 racing..
For sure you will get blasted in the head against mnk.. 😒
Play console if you have controller, so that you are against controllers as well..

I mean you already got controller why still play on pc?
Play on console, that's where controllers belong

[earnest ermine]

The shotguns should be able to punch holes through walls. Especially the Heavy's shotgun which would be great for creating entry holes and shit

[daring fossil]

data showed aim assist had an advantage like we all knew you did. You guys will adapt, the game never should have released with aim assist that strong to begin with, and that's the actual issue here, them taking away your aim bot and replacing it with something reasonable. see linked post from dev:
#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[desert flame]

Anyone else think the motion sensor coverage is pretty bad or is it just me?

[astral abyss]

No aim assist in r6 seige works because you can kill in a couple bullets. Calling for no aim assist in a game with this long of a TTK and a ton of movement on top of it is just downright goofy.

[sage bison]

Ouchie my thumbs hurt pls gib me cheats back. WEH WEH WEH

Rollers down bad after they gotta use them thumbs xD

[strange walrus]

Balance PC and Console separately.

[subtle oak]

Postcard with the useful feedback again as usual

I agree with @gleaming geyser message above this 🙂

[sudden karma]

i dont play pc so i dont really know how bad it is but ive heard upwards of 80% of top 500 people are using rewasd. it would make sense that lower skilled controller people are our preforming lower skilled pc but theres a reason why the top 500 are 90% pc players. my problem with it is on xbox only im getting railed my people using xim. it was manageable before but now its a night and day difference.

[cloud jungle]

can't react to this, but I agree 100%. Triple defib triple recon feels very fair and balanced 🙂

[undone belfry]

Bro which data, show me the link to the sata sheet. Why do you always say things that you think might have been shown or might be the Situation!? I don't understand you

There was no data shown. The devs probably reacted because so many people where crying about aim assist. Even more the other issues then ranked etc.

@ the guyd who send data = Thank you! Finally someone who does have something and doesn't just say things...

The data doesn't Show which weapon is used... I bet that was all fcars, the lmg with disc and snipers...

Those beam with the current aim assist too. I want to know why shotguns, especially the medium one got nerfed. Noone plays that...

@bleak coral finally you understood the crospplay topic... but you never used a xim I guess. That makes it feel like pc 1:1. Rewasd I dunno about but so many pc players also have xims

[slim fog]

he did link the data its in the finals chat

[rancid falcon]

cant send images but here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195025736747208825/1195039595507765268/image.png

[bleak coral]

So are you playing in a party with someone on PC? If not then you ONLY face console players, crossplay on means xbox and ps - not PC. Only way to get into PC lobbies is to be in party with PC player.

• that is not true, there is no stats on who is using rewasd or not. I doubt it is even above 5% of kbm players as converting mnk movement to controller makes it feel awful to play.

[gleaming geyser]

This is exactly what I'm saying..
Reduce recoil will fix this issue for consoles that have been robbed by removing AA without compensation.
The fact that they are aware and working on it as of right now is so great news for everyone.

@astral abyss the what do you suggest the dev do to fix that? Can't have aim assist back though 😂. You can't justify to have AA just to have a shorter TTK.

[wooden shale]

Apparently even the Tracking Dart currently doesn't count toward "detect opponents" challenges, at least for my current weekly challenge to detect 50.

[quick coyote]

I feel like The Finals could heavily benefit from custom game lobbies, maybe in the same vein as Overwatch 1 (don't know what the situation is in Overwatch 2).

Only being able to play with two other friends feels very limiting. It's great for normal gameplay in quick play or competitive. However, if there are more than two of my friends online and we want to play a game together as a group, we will never be able to play The Finals. I consistently play with a larger friend group that generally has about six consecutive players playing together and sometimes reaches past fifteen consecutively. Being able to start a custom lobby, choose a map, its variant, and allow other players to come and go would fix this problem by allowing larger groups of players to play together in a more casual setting.

Can you look at the data of C4 usage with barrels... and decide for yourself how busted it is

[solemn perch]

low gravity is so punishing

[fallen niche]

launch with Proton Experimental

[daring fossil]

I haven't used it, so not sure BUT you can put 3 down at once so..

[quick coyote]

Bring aim assist back but keep Mouse and Keyboard players from abusing Aim Assist using 3rd Party Programs and prevent them from using Recoil Scripts. If the top players were using controller how do you know it wasn't Mouse and Keyboard Players abusing 3rd Party Programs to think they are using Controller so that they could get Aim Assist? If Console Players and PC Controller players want to play together by themselves without Keyboard and Mouse Players then they should have that option.

[next raptor]

Anyone knows why there is noticeable input delay on console compare to any other fps game, even if i use 1gb stable cable connection + gaming monitor?

[subtle copper]

change recon to be more tactical instead of being a constant all-seeing eye. have it pulse like radar pings and maybe limit the range to 50m or so

[quick coyote]

Bro the aim assist it's op I'm playing on ps5 so it's op thing why the aim assist back when you can use it on sniper and take everyone in 1 shot. just play more time and your aim will be so good and play another shooter games

[flat coyote]

Add a pinned message with a link to known bugs in#bug-discussion. Current method requires users to submit a ticket on the website. Ticket creation tree - report a bug, other, known issues

[sage bison]

Lol magnetism was reduced by 15% it wasn't removed. Still op, probably need knocked down another 10%-15%

@quick coyote I hate cheaters and it suckd but what does that have to do with aim assist?

@molten rain aim assist is an easy number they can tweak, cheating is a constant cat and mouse game with cheaters and devs, much more complicated situation. They're probably trying their best

[tawdry estuary]

Already tried it didn't work for me

[wanton bramble]

need aim assisst = ur awful

[amber compass]

nerf aim assist even more they have whole thumb to aim and can spin as long as they want not fair stop them doing this i run out of mouse room

[desert flame]

Yea the only thing that counts is the Medium's sonar grenades, not even the motion sensor counts

[hard mesa]

I am once again recommending that a bow (or crossbow) be added to the game

[ashen canyon]

Roller needs AA because it's an objectively worse input for aiming, current aim assist seems fine. Old was bs and needed the nerf, 35% is still really strong but fights arent 80/20 controller now

[sonic flare]

Bro who caress AA no AA
Buff revolver

[livid basin]

why are there so many catgirls in this game 😭

[quick coyote]

This game is unplayable with the amount of cheaters in Asia server

[prisma ledge]

Still waiting for the option to refuse defibrillation. Tired of waiting over a minute before I can play again just because some people don't know when to use it.

[sour bane]

Is it just me or does voice chat just not work sometimes? I'm in voice channel but when I talk, nothing shows up

[astral plover]

We need more easy counters for the cloaking device

[tawny oriole]

Please who can also suggest it to the devs , C4 should not be able to adhere to containers.

[quick coyote]

Go ahead, propose how they remove every kind of cheater.

[tawdry estuary]

Oh wow it worked by deleting my Proton prefix, nice!

[sharp slate]

Integrity Problems are still present even after all the "suggestions" and 2 programms I closed. What the f** man. Getting kicked out of the game after each game for EAC Integrity

[grand dawn]

ranked tournaments need a rework in the future

[median bramble]

this system needs rework right now. It's a grind system, IDK how it's possible creating this shitty system

[cunning cedar]

reduced ≠ removed

[fallow glen]

cashout itself needs reworked the mode isnt competitve whatsoever

[desert flame]

We're everywhereeeee muahahaha

[sage bison]

Git Gud and get a mnk lol, game's shouldn't balance to the lowest common denominator and give shitty players with bad inputs cheats so they can beat good natural aimers who had to develop their mechanical skill through practice. I mean I guess you can give them like 5% magnetism and no aim snapping on any guns

No it raises the skill floor @random vale he used the right terminology, AA makes bad players better because it gives their aim computer help, ergo the worst controller player is better than the worst mnk player.

@sudden karma what's this XIN thing I keep hearing ppl talk about

[granite topaz]

only ranked matchmaking not ranked in general. @marsh oriole not un-used weapon just not "META" And they won't remove nuke since it's in the trailer itself, the thing they can do is change the numbers, less dmg, less area, the throw is shorter. Something like that.

[ashen canyon]

I am mnk lol, I quit apex because of aim assist. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be any, it just shouldn't be op and play the game for you. Controller has a much higher skill floor, which attracts more players. More players is healthier for the game

edit: low skill floor means that the worst controller is worse, high skill floor means the worst controller is better

[livid basin]

mrrp meow mrow :3

[random vale]

lower skill floor*

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E F U C K İ N G N U K E S A N D B A L A N C E U N U S E D W E A P O N S

[sudden karma]

I play mostly on xbox but i switch to pc every now and then and when im on pc i get outplayed by keyboard and mouse (although it could be the rewasd). im top 100 so its not a skill issue keyboard and mouse just outplays controller. sure i can outaim people at mid and long range but you guys just have significantly better movement and much better flicks. my issue is the xbox players having xin which is the same as rewasd. the aa nerf just got rid of any chance of beating them

[quick coyote]

VOTE REMOVAL OF AIM ASSIST!!!!!

[prisma ledge]

When will the flamethrower be fixed. I lose 10% of my kills.

[hard mesa]

The announcer quips are horribly written. They're never humorous, and they repeat too often, with too little variety. You can record as many lines as you want for free because you went with AI voice acting, take advantage of it for once. Maybe bring on new writers as well, ChatGPT could probably do better tbh.

[white crater]

chill. is this even feedback? write full sentences.

[sonic flare]

Okay you want 00 aim assist that’s fine but give controller players a choice to use M&K other wise this game might as well stay on PC

[elfin quartz]

im pretty sure they have the choice

[slim fog]

nerf turret

[rustic fossil]

suggestions for the future
1 - 5v5v5 or 5v5 mode (so more friends can team up)
2 - when you mute someone they stay muted (if someone leaves the chat and rejoins it will unmute them)
3 - allow friends to invite people to your party (i shouldn't have to be friends with every person I play with)
4 - allow players to join practice range together for 1v1s and just playing around with mechanics for practice

and if you get the time maybe get a better anti cheat

[velvet vigil]

an anticheat thats more accurate would be great. i've been getting kicked from games randomly for no reason i also agree with pretty much everything the dude above me said, he makes some good points

[tawdry light]

Nukes are garbage

[leaden stag]

the game feels different after the update on console. i admit im not a skilled player, but do i really need to become sweaty to enjoy this game now?

i will still eat my müsli in the morning and shoot at things while i slowly digest all the seeds and cereal, it just might not be this game. cos i dont wanna feel this bad ok? im not that bad. i still have confidence left in me. im a survivor.

anyway, it feels like completely new game now. shooting is meh now. i will casually stop visiting this discord now.

thank u for 3 weeks of great fun. im hoping for the best in the future.

[blissful furnace]

You’re so out of touch and such a gatekeeper. So cringe.

[sage bison]

Out of touch? No. Gatekeeper? Fuck yeah. Keep cryin roller, another 2 added to the list, oh actually just 1, you others are cringe fanboy rollers who r mad they can't shoot straight

wait you thumbsed up ur own comment 😭 I can't with u kids

[merry creek]

Its embarrassing

[soft stone]

How can i fix the TFLA0003 Error code ?? is there a fix yet

[undone belfry]

Bro is so cringe. Such a kid

[midnight sierra]

"they have whole thumb to aim and its not fair"

has entire wrist for mnk movement and 1:1 precision with the ability to flick instantly

as another mnk player i pray that i never match with you in ranked 💀

[prisma ledge]

Seems like being a medium player with the strongest class in the game isn't satisfying enough for you. Having a healing beam, recon senses, a defibrillator, an APS turret, and the most powerful weapon isn't enough? Now you want to eliminate the only feature that counters the endless cycle of respawns enabled by defibrillators? If the nuke is removed, everyone will switch to 3
playing as a medium.

[true owl]

No mp5 skin😭😭😭😭

[lapis island]

The whole notion that because something is in a trailer it can't be removed is silly. I'm not advocating for their removal, but video games forever have omitted things in that were in their trailers.

Personally, just give heavy one charge. Nukes should still be viable, but not OP af.

[molten canyon]

We should know what the half time event is before we go into the match when we pick gear. For example the jump pad sucks in low gravity and are punished for taking it just cause

[south knot]

Please for the love of God fix the spawns. I'm constantly having to fight 2 teams in ranked. I get killed and then spawned across the map so I can't defend said point again. It's very upsetting to put in work to get a point and then be dawged by two teams and then spawned on the other side of the map.

[unique slate]

faster goo grenade pull out/throw time so it actually has more usability in intense situations

[amber compass]

stop crying u bot

[wanton bramble]

console players after not turning cross play off: 😠 (@molten rain)

[fallow glen]

imagine a kid who didn't study for an exam, he is disadvantaged because he chose not to study.

now imagine you did study for the exam

you both get the same grade although he did worse on the exam. the other student made a conscious decision to be at a disadvantage and put less effort in yet he still got the same grade as a student who did. this is the same scenario with aim assist, how is it fair?

[midnight sierra]

thats actually a very good point i agree with this, would make ranked feel a lot less like rng in those events

[quick coyote]

Tbf the nuke in the trailer is way different than a flying canister coming from across the map and one tapping an entire team.

playing ranked vs top 10 being gold 3 is stressing me out. i dont want to play this game because of it

[granite topaz]

Nuke=Nuke. Let's see what they do in the balance patch.

[sour bane]

really really looking forward to a balance patch soon :/

im not even asking for much. i play light into ranked. i just dont want to get one shot by rpgs, and blown up by nukes. that's it.

i can tolerate other bs like gas grenades and turrets. i just dont want to have zero counter to being blown up instantly

[strong escarp]

What is the purpose of the M60 when it has

• Longer kill times than the Lewis
• Wonkier recoil than the Lewis
• Longer reload than the Lewis
• Seemingly shorter damage dropoff distance than the Lewis

[atomic shuttle]

Hi - Can I make a suggestion that you see the status of people in your Social screen? So you don't spam or be spammed for invites?

[hollow shoal]

Mag size

[undone kraken]

I recently downloaded the game and I am getting anti cheat integrity failed error code

[dry parcel]

If a teammate leaves the match during a tournament match and they don't come back after 2 minutes, the rest of the teammates SHOULD have the ability to leave as well. I hate when teammates leave and I can't leave or else I'll get suspended then have to deal with full trio contestants

[sonic flare]

M60 better than lewis you tweakin 💀

[white crater]

Added new feedback to my master-list.

Suggestion (S) Index:
S1 - SA1216
S2 - Reload animations
S3 - SA1216's cycling
S4a - Medium's GL
S4b - Medium's Mines
S5 - Addtl. Medium Rifle Options
S6 - Medium Gadget: Javelin
S7 - New Mode: Gold Rush
S8 - New Mode: Hot Potato?
S9 - Riot Shield Buffs
S10 - Show Contracts on Pause
S11 - Career Stat: Tourneys Won
S12 - Multiplayer Training
S13 - Allow Friends to Invite
S14 - Separate Ranked & Unranked stats
S15 - Medium Gadget: Respawn Beacon

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13wvf7qTcwX084-x3ECtuYPGS9RnC0RYnneQfF3dyrek/edit

[desert moat]

Give Lights an M320 underbarrel grenade launcher from battlefield as a gadget. But it's like one grenade per cooldown.

[quick coyote]

if it deals no combat damage maybe

[cursive roost]

bruh just add the kitsune mask back dawg id pay $20 for that bundle ez

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E F U C K İ N G N U K E S A N D B A L A N C E U N U S E D W E A P O N S

[wanton bramble]

🐒 🐵 🐒

[amber compass]

U CAN STILL PLAY ON ROLLER U BOT u was never good the aim assist was playing for u

[glossy compass]

just mute it, that option is there for that , i dont even notice them anymore tbh

[prisma ledge]

Seems like being a medium player with the strongest class in the game isn't satisfying enough for you. Having a healing beam, recon senses, a defibrillator, an APS turret, and the most powerful weapon isn't enough? Now you want to eliminate the only feature that counters the endless cycle of respawns enabled by defibrillators? If the nuke is removed, everyone will switch to 3
playing as a medium.

[graceful elbow]

YOU DUMB TWATS DONT NERF AIM ASIST IT WAS WHAT MADE YOUR GAME FUCKING FUN

[quick coyote]

i really love this game and i want to play, but i got diamonds against me (against gold). every time a play game makes me feel like i will lose everytime....

[subtle copper]

add some interactable emotes. i wanna hug my medium at the end of a round to show some appreciation for all the support 🫂

[undone belfry]

Wtf is your problem man???

[earnest talon]

would love to sprint through windows the same way you do doors without have to shoot a single bullet everytime to clear the window

[quick coyote]

Agreed on nukes, but most of the “non-meta” weapon tier-lists are still based on first impression presuppositions. This game is just now getting out of the rank-race phase that always happens on releases, and people are slowly settling into niche.

I have great success with the gl-40, there’s a top rank player who dominates lobbies with the light sword, and heavy sledgehammer is finding its stride in combination with goo gun. There are hit registry issues with the dagger, and I personally think the sniper needs some bolt grease, but for the most part I’d say to experiment and come back with a new perspective.

[tawdry estuary]

Finally able to play on the Steam Deck, thanks for getting it working devs! 🎉

[sudden heart]

Its fine as is right now

[sage bison]

It's so sad you roller crybabies only have fun when ur abusing compter algorithm aim assist equivalent to cheats, maybe this is time for introspection on ur own skill and play rather than have all players cater to ur shitty aim.

@amber compass ignore, these peeps are on the list

#👂┇game-feedback message

If a user is on this list, it's recommended to ignore any and all messages they send regarding balance, they are very biased.

[torpid lance]

delete Las Vegas map its ass

[echo panther]

i know people probally asked this alot but can we get a kill cam in the future

[merry creek]

Inferiority complex - mY sEt uP cOsT 3 GrAnD bRoO

[hard mesa]

The thing is, I really quite like the idea of announcers dynamically casting the game. I just wish it was good.

[sour bane]

ranked games starting when you are down a player is just bad game design

[unique bluff]

Are the servers still down or something? My game keeps coming with an error when launching.

[noble steppe]

If the security update next week isn't a Hiroshima sized bomb on the cheats, this game is going to continue to plummet.

It's a fantastic game but the EU servers are absolutely infested.

[surreal remnant]

Will the anti-cheat failure issue be fixed soon? Every time I log on to play, it closes the game like twice, on the third time I get server disconnected after trying to join a game, then finally it'll work and stay connected and I can play a few games

[fallow glen]

no stop making things up - the complaint is with controller having aim assist vs mnk, nothing to do with pc vs console

[exotic bough]

WHEN THE DEVS WILL NERRRRRF THE C4 ? It's horrible to play actually... Horrible meta

[prisma ledge]

Love spawning intop cheaters spawncamping. Forgot to report them in the score screen since it is impossible to do it mid game (don't even know why the option is there). Anyone knows if its possible to find players from previous game so can report them? Clearly using aimbot and wallhack. Didn't even lose the cashout in 3 games. Everyone else just played for the secound one.

[rich fox]

i’m experiencing this bug where my gun keeps defaulting back to its original style… anyone else ?

[covert nest]

The game used to be fun to play during CB1 through OB but now at launch its really frustrating to play... really frustrating

[graceful elbow]

fax

[burnt shell]

Hey guys, I’m pretty new to the game and I really appreciate it, otherwise I can’t see any information about the game optimization.

I am not here to talk about aim assist as it does not concern me and I feel the game is pretty balanced as it is now. P, M & L are very fun classes with their pros and cons.

Lots of people are complaining about it, mid-end PCs experiences stutters, freezes and FPS drops. This is my case with i7-10700 / 2070S / 16GB DDR4 (and SSD).

Did Embark ever talk about this ? Did they plan anything ?

Thanks in advance for your replies and I apologize if my question is redundant. I tried my best to get informed on Google and this Discord and did not find my answer.

[thick canyon]

Hey guy, we can talk about C4 and carboy ? PLZ NERF IT

[next pike]

when are they gonna remove the perfect accuracy exploit? There's been an exploit discovered where you hold out a perfect accuracy gadget, like the stun gun or tracking dart, which have no shot spread and perfect hipfire, and switch to a different weapon (without aiming) to have perfect accuracy with that weapon in hipfire, which includes SNIPER RIFLES (and all other weapons, this is obviously unfair)

[merry creek]

Bro go back through this days chat.... its been PC players shitting all over console non stop, its relentless, some have balanced views but most are just toxic griefers

[sage bison]

you mean recoil scripts? @twilit lily explain? I'm not aware of this

[twilit lily]

No. There are at LEAST 3 ways to get no recoil legitimately.

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E A N D N E R F R E C O N

[hard walrus]

solo mode.

[past stirrup]

No

[undone saffron]

Will we see full Mouse and Keyboard for PS5? I can use my keyboard but not my mouse…

[sage bison]

don't have a pc?

[rugged gull]

make so u can have hats and masks. maby add some beards/facial hair? and make more style choices more compatible with eachother

[granite topaz]

No

[outer snow]

Awesome list! You need to add more player communication suggestions though, like being able to see which friend is in a match and remove the invite cool down

[gloomy wraith]

How can u still say We need aim assist when its already fully gone 🤣 Just based of ur comment I already know ur 13 years old @quick coyote

[quick coyote]

Here's some fixes for TFAV1012 / TFAV0012 I've found to work. (meant to reply earlier, sorry lol)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3126170544

[white crater]

good ideas

[noble steppe]

People who can spawn mines right underneath you from the other side of the map.

People who have invisible forcefields that push RPG's and Nukes away from them.

People who are immune to explosive damage.

People who heal instantly without a Medium helping them or without waiting for cooldown on regen.

People who can respawn on their teammates when coining mid combat.

People who can Teleport and Fly.

People who can shoot through walls.

FIX. YOUR. ANTICHEAT. STOP. TRUSTING. EAC.

[quick coyote]

OH NO YOU GOT ME SLATY TEARS OF PAIN OH NO XD XD XD NO SKILL CHESSERS USE AIM ASSIT

[sage bison]

based off ur comment I know you nothing about the game lol, aim assist was not removed, seeing that some of you don't know the basic facts of the patch I really feel bad for the devs and CMs who have to read ur trash (rollers mainly)

[wanton bramble]

The remaining roller mains will be hunted down and defeated!

[granite topaz]

Never.

[vestal nova]

"i just know ur 13+ years old" what

[shrewd vine]

So I just joined a game with my buddies and there was no carriables on the map except for the chairs and flower pots. Dunno if its a bug or if its been reported.

[prisma ledge]

Sometimes the only thing you can carry are the flowerpots. Other times it spawns in barrels.

[sudden tangle]

make ranked LMH, you will never be able to balance out L for casual and ranked without making to versions of it. Easy fix is to force L into rank with LMH.

[fiery moat]

after yesterday's patch there are only cheters in the lobby and it's unplayable now.

[slim fog]

no... just no

[hazy oyster]

ah, I mean, in the first place, why would aim assist help you shoot invis players?

[gloomy wraith]

No they nerfed Controler players instead of Cheaters💀

[pliant spire]

Can any1 explayn to me what i have to do on the "Eliminate an opponent while they are stealing a cashout". Smh it hasent detected any of my kills for the challenge

[amber compass]

Same thing ai aiming for both

[junior ridge]

3 mediums defib spamming all game is the most frustrating and boring gameplay I've ever seen. The cooldown is way too low and it feels impossible to kill them with the constant heals and revives. You basically can't finish a fight before the cooldown is over and they're back to defibing.

[humble tinsel]

In a game where the ttk is high and the recoil for auto weapons is equally so and noticeably felt more on controller, nerfing aa (which only impacts controller players) without making adjustments to recoil strength on weapons feels like a step in the wrong direction. i understand if strong aa is not the direction you’d like to go in, that’s fine and i’d digress it was potent on controller, but at least make the guns more serviceable and manageable to shoot. this isn’t siege and id hate for the gunplay to feel hollow like cod, but a lot of it already felt egregious on controller and now it’s evermore felt. guns like the fcar with painfully low mag counts are much less justifiable picks too. movement shooters should at bare minimum have good movement and guns that feel good to shoot, please fix the later

[placid cobalt]

Moving platform variant of the Seoul map by far the worst, absolute worst

[sage bison]

Skill issue m8

[wanton bramble]

aka 'im awful'

[warped elk]

I can’t equip my battle pass skin for the Revolver

[vivid gulch]

please add mouse support to ps5 i can’t aim on controller 😭

[undone kraken]

What should I do if it gives me th anti cheat integrity thing?

[raven hatch]

FIX the ranked matchmaking. Playing with bronze / unranked in solo q evertime.

[undone ore]

https://youtu.be/U1wj3B86pZ8?si=U9Ua4f8yMnPKTSos there are 1 Bug that make V9S fast firing more than expected animation (1 recoil recovering animation 2 bullets) which are made by macro

[amber compass]

so u mean ur not good enough and the game should give u aimbot? maybe play the game and get good

[gloomy wraith]

aka im a pc player that Want an advantage but when i dont i suck at the game( not all pc players taking their time to respond to my shit🤣)

[humble tinsel]

+200hrs in game. diamond. +w/l. +k/d if you want my pedigree. good chance i’d drop a steamy, fibrous, one on ya before sending you back to the the lobby 😉 not sure if you know people can have negative opinions about something without being bad at it? what a thought huh? but thanks for the productive and thoughtful response by you and the other clearly mnk tools! you must all have such healthy interpersonal relationships

[blissful furnace]

You are such a child. The dude was giving his honest feedback and you’re over acting like a cringe clown. The roller players must’ve put you in the dumpster a lot in this game for you to be this mad. Keep your head in the cage.

[sage bison]

Yoo the rollers just got out of school or sum xD. Can't believe a shitter roller is gonna flex his computer aim on me 😂. U got me guys I'm very angry that a bunch of shitty rollers can't cheat as much as they used too

[wanton bramble]

200 hours = too much time inside on ur sweaty stained chair. Anyone who thinks aim assist nerf was bad is awful. Using the no pc logic all it does it make fights last longer (as the players cant aim) and rewards better aimers on controller for being better. The controller players dont have to play with pc but pc doesnt have a choice so it should always be significantly weaker than mnk. p.s. controller players acting like nuke doesnt 1 shot anyway (pls nerf). @blissful furnace YEAH BECAUSE THEYRE TRASH AND EASILY FULL MAG YOU LOL

[south knot]

People who feel the need to flex their brand loyalty make me cringe.

[sudden karma]

console doesnt get a choice either. xbox has a xin problem so alot of high rank players are using mnk. turning off the aa makes it impossible to kill them

[amber compass]

that aint pc problem we dont wanna vs roller bots with op aim stop crying the game aint playing for u we dont wanna play vs roller

[cunning cedar]

i play roller without AA, I'm doing fine. it's a skill issue and y'all bad controller players just got a reality check in how much the AA carried y'all.
AA nerf was justified and necessary🤝🏼

[vernal void]

Please add a kill cam

[harsh trail]

day ❗ 20 ❗ of asking for a throwing knives balance patch/bug fix to make them a viable weapon option

[lapis island]

I think it is pretty likely the next update next week will have much needed balance changes.

[lavish shard]

Make recon sense like a portable grenade sonar

[plucky sun]

As a console/controller player I fully agree definetly notice the nerf but all it took was 10mins in range tweaking settings and admitting maybe I'm just missing shots/headshots to get better 😂

[sage bison]

Woah self-aware rollers do exist, be more like this guy @humble tinsel @blissful furnace

[blissful furnace]

Says the guy who has round 1 exits in tournaments. Shut up clown

[wanton bramble]

YEAH BECAUSE HE DOESNT USE AA WHICH GUARANTEES YOU TO GET TO FINAL (UR AWFUL BOT)

[fallow glen]

i have over 150 hours on throwing knives, they're not completely useless

[humble tinsel]

you thinking about my "sweat stained chair" is giving me chills, ooo i love a freak. if you wanted a kiss you could've just asked yk...anywho pc can turn off crosspaly and if you're talking about plug in's then the game should have detection software that matches people according to their recognised equipment. talk to the devs instead of crying about it. i swear pc players love to think their the underdogs against controller players (you're not). no ones talking about who gets rewarded or not being able to secure kills, that's not the issue and i even acknowledge in op that aa was potent. the issue isn't "i can't get a kill please buff so i can play game instead of getting good" the issue is "do the guns feel *good to shoot" and a lot of them just really don't

[low gazelle]

I think each team should have a color associated with it. For example the Ultra Rares could be green so whenever you hear the announcers talk about the Ultra Rares you know they are talking about the green team. Blue can be unassigned so players have the option to have their team always be blue or the color of the team.

It would also be cool if the skins changed colors to match the team.

[abstract harbor]

I've been playing multiplayer shooters since 1993 when we only had 1 to 1 connectivity over a modem. I've played just about everything there is since then, across many systems. I can say with confidence that this is the WORST solo queue experience of any game I can remember. lol

[sharp spade]

bro that guide dog reaction 💀

[dawn grove]

carriables act kind of funny sometimes, instead of projecting forward they bounce back/down instead?

[sudden karma]

you can aim just as good if not better on pc. if you cant then its a skill issue on you. you still have better flicks movment and recoil control. @cunning cedar im top 100 and im still crushing with the nerf but we cant compete with keyboard and mouse

[amber compass]

i can aim better as im very good most pc players cant at all and pc is 10x harder roller low skill and comes with free aimbot

[safe flower]

Change the max FoV to 125/130 (If possible) please

[cunning cedar]

surely you're top 100... even if you were, it doesn't mean you have skill, it just mean you have to much time to play. if you actually had good controller skills you wouldn't complain. as I said, I play controller, have AA OFF and still have no issue competing against MnK players.

[blissful furnace]

Its funny how you just joined only a few days ago contributing nothing to this particular channel. I'm just about to start blocking

[bold relic]

Can we please have the option to have the UI remain at a 16:9 aspect ration when playing on ultrawide monitors? With UI elements in the corner of the monitor you have to turn your head to see them which can be frustrating mid-fight.

[wanton bramble]

you lot are clueless. pc is 100x harder than roller. ur thinking of the best pc players when you think of the average. no matter what an average pc players should always kill an average console player because its harder to play and has a higher skill ceiling

[abstract harbor]

I don't want any nerfs. I don't think anything sorely needs balancing. I just want to be able to play the game without having an NBA draft to form some sort of tightly-orchestrated and organized team. I setup and attend meetings all day for a living....I don't want to have to do it to enjoy the game.

[lapis island]

It is genuinely not even that hard to find a decent team to kick it with for a few hours in whatever LFG channel suits you. Maybe you'll make a few friends too... 😂

[nova frost]

That moment when you connect to a bank it game just for the game end 30 seconds later rofl

[velvet oyster]

thats free experience

[exotic wave]

It would be great if I can see my teammates load out when joining a game already in progress.

[sage bison]

TLDR: The Aim Assist nerf was warranted, roller players are in tears because they suck now. Now they are taking out their frustration on PCMR, sorry guys you just picked the wrong platform.

[valid saffron]

roller players are garbo and fail to adapt to the pc input

[harsh trail]

just because you're able to get a clip once every blue moon doesn't mean the weapon is viable. let's use our brains and come up with some solutions to a glaring issue : )

[humble tinsel]

someone get this person a collar and leash, the way their slobbering hard over mnk players (the ones who can't have a productive dialogue) without them is disgusting. being top 100 isn't luck or "having a lot of time". while i have no way of verifying their claim stating someone can only achieve that with enough time and no skill is actually the most nonsensical thing i've heard all day. go play fetch somewhere else

[drifting pawn]

Creative idea: new medium specialization that's an ammo belt for the heavy. Acts just like the healing beam. Lets the heavy unload m60/lewis til its gone. Guess it'd apply fine to flamethrower too

[mild veldt]

It sucks for crossplay though, it's kinda difficult to compete atm with MnK :T

And i'm saying this in a position that I agreed the AA was overtuned, but I thought they would tweak it little by little until it hit a sweetspot for everyone. Now it feels extremely difficult to fight long ranges due roller not begin nearly as precise as MnK...

[ancient hare]

I feel bad for Embark if they actually do ever read through these braindead posts. This place is a cringe wasteland. no wonder text chat isn't a thing lol

[fallow glen]

hey i never said it was viable, i'm just saying that it's not unusable

[safe flower]

The aimassist nerv was definitely warranted. I play on ps5 and still dont have any problems in PC lobbies with mnk players. c:

[echo flicker]

Would be really funny if you could block doors from opening by stacking enough carriables in front of them

[quick coyote]

aimassist was a needed nerf by far, sorry roller players but you have to actually learn to aim instead of having an easy lock on system to someone across the map

[cunning cedar]

never said he has no skill, but it appears to be so. if he's as good as he claims he shouldn't have an issue with a minor AA nerf. some people here act as if they completely removed AA, even tho they just reduced it strengt a bit..

[unborn trout]

Anyone else crashing after 30 minutes of gameplay?

[upper citrus]

i’m confused as to why controller players even dislike the aim assist change. when i tried to play on controller the aim aissist was so strong it wasn’t even fun. it didn’t feel like i was really playing the game

[amber compass]

as i roller player my self i can confirm we cant aim and just need free aimbot im now quiting game gg thanks devs i cant play

[wanton bramble]

roller should be happy their fights last longer and are more skilled but they just mad

[abstract harbor]

9/10 times, I get matched up with 2 lights that just want to hide and snipe, and/or play against a highly-coordinated team (loadout/class-wise), and get completely ROFLstomped into the ground. This is not a skill issue. It's a matchmaking issue. The game is very hard to play as a solo player.

[sharp belfry]

Again asking for sniper buff so that lights we get stuck with aren't so unbearable to spectate.

[plucky sun]

As someone who solo queues 80% of the time both ranked and pubs as the solo it's your job to fill and fit in play off your team so they can play better kinda irrelevant in quick matches if your good enough it's not hard to win most games and in ranked filling in and playing is igl can leaf average players to the third or 4th round granted yes sometimes your going to get terrible players but that's the price you pay when soloqueuing if it's that big of problem just add random people who are good and chuck people invites or use the lfg section of this discord instead of complaining he4e

[exotic wave]

Can collision get a look at? At times I get stuck in doorways and windows for reasons I've yet to discern. I also noticed it happens when I spectate teammates, so it doesn't appear to just be me.

[sudden karma]

im stelthysniper02 sitting at 95. im sure aa off down in silver is manageable but diamond plus its impossible. now with the aa nerf going against any k and m people your just screwed. esp if they have a xim

[regal estuary]

Issues and needed tweaks:

-In the main menus or non-match areas, uncapped FPS overworks computers unnecessarily. Most other games limit main menu FPS to 60, like Overwatch.

-Overall FPS consistency is extremely low with uncapped FPS; dynamic ray tracing may be the cause. Due to these extreme fluctuations, I limit my FPS to around 100. If these inconsistencies were fixed, I could play at much higher framerates, like 165 or 144.

-Another concern is that, even on low settings, the game consistently takes up 50%+ of my 5950x, using 8-10 cores.

Tweaks I suggest:

-While the game has upscaling tech, consider adding super sampling or an option to disable these technologies. Given the game's CPU reliance, this could improve performance significantly.

-Regarding matchmaking, prioritize quality over speed, especially in ranked play, given the game's substantial playerbase.

[neat siren]

I must add a suggestion for the devs to look at Apex Legends as the example and avoid going down that route.

[merry creek]

1st time players experience is non existent ... every game I'm in there's multiple people leaving with like 0 kills 7+deaths.

[cunning cedar]

Even if true, you're aware just because you're diamond doesn't mean you'll play against all diamond players? You could literally ve playing against bronze and silver players..
I basically never play ranked, I'm silver 1 and had to play with and against diamond league players.
So yes, playing without AA works even there.

[sage bison]

Yeah matchmaking is so bad rn, I saw 3 stack of top 100 players go for a kill record on some new players, they each had 10-20 deaths in the final round. Basically getting spawn killed

[soft rain]

Its horrible, in ranked you get matchmaked against diamonds all the time while you are bronze

[undone belfry]

Well embark will see how players drop. Only having 3-5 reliant weapons with over 10+ weapons in total is not ok on console.

Players already leave by now because they can't get kills in casual modes, I never seen so much people without kills in non ranked modes.. its hilarious. The game is getting easier for good people (and xim users which there is alot in console land) and casual people get stomped on. This Patch hurt alot but well, let pc players have their fun. The devs won't do anything. This discord is full of pc people which are all anti console... its useless... also no dev responded, I guess they dont care.

[fringe burrow]

Also can the consistency of spawns be fixed just got out of a game where an enemy team respawns like right next to a cashout last minute and yoinks it. But in the last fights I hit a respawn and get sent literally on the other side of the map for no reason, so I cant even reach the cashout in time to do anything.

[kind swallow]

WE SHOULDNT have to wait for a full team respawn when we only have 2 team members!!!

[humble tinsel]

the nerf isn’t the issue. in my op i acknowledge it was potent, it makes sense why they chose to do so. i only said (or what i meant to convey) is that the gunplay, apart from specific and needed balance changes to certain classes/class specializations, feels like the weakest overarching part of the game rn. that nerf makes the gunplay feel even less tight. take aa out entirely for all i care but what i find important is having guns that feel fun and good to shoot, guns that match the genre the games resides in. there’s a difference b/w underperforming/not being good at something and saying that something just doesn’t feel good or fun

[split flare]

remove heavy/flamethrower

[merry creek]

Yeah I do agree with most of what you're saying man, but I don't think devs will respond to this... Reading half the toxic dribble on here is migraine inducing

[median crescent]

Hey I thing this launch is pretty good but im just wondering why you havent released a naked skin. I also would like to see buldge and/or penis physics along with titty jiggling physics. It makes it really hard to edge when im looking at a completely static buldge even though im jumping up and down. I also need toe physics. Fix these issues and the GAME will be PERFECT!

[exotic bough]

Maybe just 1 C4 for the heavy, rpg 140 damages, no more c4 on carboy and the game will be great, actually only c4 carboy trashes in ranked

[grave sierra]

firing an rpg straight down and jumping should make you rocket jump, it'd be funny

[amber compass]

Ur deleting a game as your not good enough just get better or go play some Minecraft u can then off crossplay it's roller Vs roller Ur just awful clearly

[desert flame]

Can we please get different maps for every round of tournament??

[exotic wave]

Can we please get patch notes in client? It is so much better than having a webpage load up. League and CoD Warzone are great with this.

[regal magnet]

is anyone else getting disconnected every game while loading?

[quick coyote]

I understand how garbage ranked is now! My friends & I on our second ever ranked match got humbled by 3 top 100 Diamond players 💀 Even they said we shouldn't have been against them. They already have 12 & a half days playing time for crying out loud. Worst ranked matchmaking ever.

[undone belfry]

Bro still doesn't understand that crossolay on console is Roller vs Roller... there isnt pc at all... can't blame bro though.. Bro has a brain in size of an atom nucleus..

[orchid island]

fr vegas 4 times in a row makes me want to explode

[feral canopy]

The thing is, if the finals had started with the current aim assist instead of what it was pre-patch I don't think we'd see as many complaints. People are just whining because they have to aim a bit more lol

[undone cobalt]

Fix your shotgun hit registration
After the patch I've got 4 different clips where I've hit direct shots for 0 damage 💀

[blissful furnace]

Yeah the recent patch tells you everything that they only listen to the PC community. I get the feeling that this game was original made as a PC exclusive, but they want to make more money so they port it over to console.

[restive citrus]

Can we get a better map selection system. I just played monaco 4 times in a row in ranked and I'm tired to play the same map over and over again

[merry creek]

Yeah there's a part of me that hopes this is all some ploy to catch cheaters and blanket ban them but I doubt it... defo feels they have killed if for console tho... hope your wrong about the port over tho 😖

[echo flicker]

Grappling hook being able to pull carriables to the user would be cool

[sharp belfry]

And grapple other players

[quick coyote]

ANTI CHEAT UPDATE IS COMING????????????????

[undone belfry]

If the game started this way people would only play 3 weapons from the beginning because everything else is bad compared to them, aim assist wise and then dmg and reliability.

For example I played medium shotgun as Main gun because it was fun and i was like one of very few who used it. Now it's completely useless as it has a big disadvantage against all other guns, no snapping aim assist... why should I struggle more with a gun which already is not good against a player with the best medium gun fcar and do less dmg per second? Also the shotgun is very inconsistent (without aim assisting on the same level the fcar does) and has the longest reload in the game... so now tell me why I shouldnt be mad?

If this was like that in the beginning I would not Touch that gun and get my aim adjusted to it.

This also applies to all other people on console who doesn't play the 3 main weapons for each class... we get screwed and now need to play those main weapons or have a huge disadvantage. No fun allowed anymore.

[narrow quarry]

aim assist revert, the game is equivalent to playing r6 on pc now

[kind swallow]

why does motion sensor not count towards "detect 50 opponents" ?!!?

[undone cobalt]

Fix hit registration ty :)

[inland heron]

Wen forced all role competitive

[blissful furnace]

I mean wasnt The Finals very first beta only PC? Plus when the beta came to console a couple months ago, the controller aim mechanics was awful. It's almost like they treat console players as an afterthought.

[spice nacelle]

@rare spear it’s been 13 days and counting since I’ve been able to play. 0002 error on Xbox the entire time. When is your team going to address this? I spent money on the pass and can’t even complete it. How about a patch to fix people being able to actually log in?

[sudden heart]

ur an idiot

[undone saffron]

PS5 full MnK support would be great thanks.

[naive flicker]

🪧 Remove AA changes! Console will die!🪧

[amber compass]

Just ban all console players it's for the best all this crying is about to flood the UK