💣┇weapons-gadgets

[slender fiber]

it's important that heavy is not self sufficient (and is able to run fun things like charge n slam)

[chilly granite]

I don't think any class should double dip on a spec

[slender fiber]

I don't want to have to run mesh to protect my team to some extent

[chilly granite]

make mesh shield into dome shield then

make invis into invis bomb

but double dipping isn't cool

[slender fiber]

or make it so you can't equip both at once

boom

[chilly granite]

I mean, I think that the power of shield is such that having a gadget/being able to take a shield with a different spec is by itself op

(same for gateway and invis bomb and h+)

[slender fiber]

dome shield is much weaker than mesh

[chilly granite]

and?

[slender fiber]

if you couldn't equip both then you sacrifice the better shield to equip charge or hook

[chilly granite]

even with current numbers, dome shield, if it were a spec would find users

that wuld be justifiable if charge and hook were ass, they aren't

[slender fiber]

then buff mesh shield if you make them exclusive idk

[chilly granite]

for sure

but then heavy will be even more op than right now, so how do you fix that?

[slender fiber]

I really don't think dome shield or invis bomb are exactly making the game any worse by being equipment

[slender fiber]

buff other classes utility idk

also "than they are right now" is lowk a self report

[chilly granite]

do you actually think heavy is underpowered?

[slender fiber]

only broken thing about heavy rn tbh is hook being too easy to use for how much value it gets

no he's not underpowered he's about at standard

[chilly granite]

that's for sure the most broken thing

but I really don't think you can argue that medium or light bring as much to a team as a heavy lol

[slender fiber]

buff the non annoying weapons that medium and light have in exchange for killing the one shot stuff and buff all their utility

make heal beam better, demat better, gateway etc

[chilly granite]

if you think gateway sohuld be buffed you're on some crack

[slender fiber]

well then undo the glitch nerfs for example, that's a big heavy counter

[chilly granite]

I mean, I think the glitch nerfs were heavy handed and should've come with a radius increase at least

[slender fiber]

also they could add a specialisation for light that works like the nullifier but for themselves and could have a few short charges to give light some survivability and staying power at the cost of the mobility options

you could dodge important attacks, get out of bad situations, stall more for your team and be generally slippery

[chilly granite]

I mean I agree about that being a cool potential spec

[fringe nacelle]

FCAR or AKM?
I don't know what to pick they're both extremely similar

[chilly granite]

akm if you're a chad, fcar if you like to hide behind walls

alterantively, fcar if you struggle vs lights and akm if you struggle wiht heavies

[fringe nacelle]

Can you explain why?

[chilly granite]

fcar requires less bulles to kill a light, so will kill them more cleanly/react better to luck

akm requires more bullets so your aim needs to be more consistent on lights

meanwhile the fcar has a small mag, so fighting heavies can be hard with healing beam etc

but the akm has a nice mag size so does a lot better vs heavy under heals/dome/mesh

to clarify with the fcar, you need to touch the light 7 times vs 8 with akm
you also have a slightly slower RPM, which means that you get a little more time with each shot kinda, the recoil is a little more predictable so it's a little easier to hit those shots on a light

mostly it's just vibes based though; most differences are quite small and not substantial enoguh to make one a clear winner

the fcar has a smaller mag with a slightly faster reload, so if you like reloading a lot, it's a better choice. If you like a fat mag you can dump before reloading, the akm is nicer. the recoil patterns are different, but it's hard to call one a clear winner. The akm has slightly better hipfire, but the fcar can hit out an extra 5 meters before losing damage.

[fringe nacelle]

Ok thank you

[near scroll]

"you need to touche the light 7 times" 😭

[chilly granite]

touch the light with your crosshair

that's why cb op, only need to touch light twice

cb touched me in naughty places now i got trauma

waitning for patch notes of cb nerf please be good embark

[near scroll]

too real

peter, moe, lester 😳

[chilly granite]

cb the peter file

heavy mains have morals that's why they don't touch lights and then complain on reddit about light being unkilable

[indigo nexus]

One of the main designers did say they wanted to see dragons and stuff in the game. Or something like that.

[chilly granite]

so I have a heavy in my tdm who keeps winching me into him, and then rpging

he doesn't seem to understand that the rpg doesn't kill me, but it does make him a bow oneshot,and winch doesn't interrupt the draw

(also embark give heavies rocket jump so they make themseleves oneshottable

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what the fuck

nobody at embark is awake enough to click nerf cb button?

[subtle rampart]

Thermal back when ? 😔

[chilly granite]

it's cooked bro

thermals dead and gone

[near scroll]

now we just need smokes dead and gone

[chilly granite]

already is

9s/50s and it takes forever to pop

why would you ever consider it over goo

[near scroll]

i wouldnt but it's stupid and shouldnt be in the game

[chilly granite]

on what basis?

there's a lot of valid reasons I can think of, but I'm wondering what your reasoning is

[near scroll]

inconsistent smokes, can lead to getting steals or not depending on whether or not smoke decided to render properly

also there's less universal counterplay compared to stuff like goo

[chilly granite]

that's a solved problem, embark just needs to uknow, bother

I will say I think rather there's more universal counterplay? smokes are spammable and you'll see healthbars if you hit

[near scroll]

so it's not solved yet

[chilly granite]

I mean, consistent smoke rendering is a solved problem, it wasn't 10 years ago

[near scroll]

oh that's what u meant

well yeah, i agree, but it's not in this game sadly

[chilly granite]

tbh it kinda looks like they're using a stock unreal smoke asset lol

shit takes forever to propogate which is what you'd expect for smoke from a fire or something, not a smoke grenade in a fast paced fps

I quickmele'd a smoke barrel hoping it would give cover the other day and I just died and watched as a spectator as the smoke slowly, slowly, slowly formed a cloud

[near scroll]

tbh i'd like for smokes to be reworked into the smokes that omen has in valorant, if you're inside you can see inside, so it's like a dome that obscures vision instead of absorbing projectiles

[chilly granite]

that's basically how it works now

[near scroll]

also unrelated, can we get both hold to stab/lunge AND tap to stab/lunge implemented for dagger & sword

[chilly granite]

inside the smoke the vision effect is much less strong

[near scroll]

not really though, the edges of the smokes aren't well defined, and vision from outside to inside as well as inside to inside is inconsistent

[chilly granite]

it's inconsistent but it seems to be intended to work in suhc a way

the smoke effect is for sure on average weaker in side the central smkoe cloud

but yeah, it's all, really, really inconsistent

[near scroll]

i guess but the visual obstruction is stlil present

[chilly granite]

yeah but that also happens immediately while the smoke could takes a buisiness day to propogate

[near scroll]

i've spoken at length about the topic of using randomness to balance this game yesterday with solar sausage, and perosnally i freaking hate it

[chilly granite]

smokees feel very thrown together

[near scroll]

i feel like they wanted it in the game to extinguish fires first, and to act as a smoke second

[chilly granite]

the advantage of randomness is balance is mostly that people will avoid it, rather than risking the randomness betryaing them. So like in csgo, people tend to favour weaons that have ranges where randomness isnt relevent for the distance they play

[chilly granite]

I mean, that's fine, but it's also misleading on that front, becasue it looks like it takes a long time to start smoking, so I've never even triedto use it as a fire counter

cuz i'm like, the afterburn is 2s,the smoke teakes 3 eseconds to start smoking, how is this good?

[near scroll]

i main goo gun so i think more about smoke extinguishing goo rather than players

but i feel like punching a smoke can extinguishes you rather quickly

[chilly granite]

it does

I tested, it's the entity that blocks sight, not the smoke that kills fire

my point is that it's misleading

firefoam would be better than smoke if that's their useage

[near scroll]

:o that's my point too!

misleading and inconsistent

[chilly granite]

it rpobably would be worth using it for defending goo, but i've never even thoguht of it in like, 900h of game time cuz smoke is so useless outside of thermal

I do think the fire afterburn sshould last way longer with the same amount of damage though

like, 5s with the same damage

it makes fire and smoke both more useful and counterable

right now it's like, 15.75 damge per second? which is a huge amount for a light

31 total damage

I think that's a fine amount, but I also think it shoudl take longer to tick you down

like it's pretty rare I have time tofind a fire extiguisher, or do anything, before I'm dead if I take some chip+fire

part of the reason why pyro nade is so popular in tdm hahaha

[chilly granite]

what do you think of a firefoam grenade that explodes and sprays foam on everyone in radius, acting as a soft flashbang/ultra short duration flashbang and anti-fire

hehehehe

(embark devs this is probably a terrible idea if any of you actaully read this crap don't listne)

[near scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/splash-under-pressure-explosion-jizz-skeet-gif-21228980

[chilly granite]

bahhahahah

[near scroll]

i used to run goo gun spear smokes and heal ball on powershift and have a bunkered platform with healing that couldn't be burnt

and if anyone dared step foot in my domain they'd get spun on. fun times (i was doing it to farm goo gun xp lol)

[chilly granite]

god i hate powershif tryhards

every time i go powershift there's the sweatests people on the planet earth fighting for their lives to shit on me

isn't tdm better for farming goo xp? just goo it up, die, goo it up again?

[near scroll]

maybe but less fun

[chilly granite]

@near scroll can u go lecture the bad heavy in #👂┇game-feedback

[near scroll]

would you consider my tactic tryharding in powershift? lol

[chilly granite]

i havne't played against it, so hard to say, but quite possibly

teh worst is when they have like 3 cb's stacked up and staring at platform afk

[near scroll]

poking from a rooftop is peak gaming RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[near scroll]

lemme read the yap

[chilly granite]

Embark devs, listen, this is the best take anyone's had on the finals

make the roof tiles start to fall off if you've walked on them too much like in fall guys

and make the cb players/arn/sniper fall off the roofs

roofers have to wear safety harness, why don't cb player?

idk if roofers actually need to wear safety harness, it's probably a regional thing if they do, but it's funny so there

[near scroll]

@hollow lantern dash lights do counter melee heavy, that is how it is, you have to outsmart them, possibly mutliple times in a row to kill them, if they're competent. blame dash not the rest of light's kit

job done eggplant wielding bow

[chilly granite]

thanku

[near scroll]

would be a funny username, just saying

bow-wielding eggplant

[chilly granite]

good take

[near scroll]

lets gooooooooooooooo

by the way, if you'd like to spread my word, when someone says gg answer with "gg means goo gun"

[chilly granite]

Gg is just short for eggplant

When people say gg you gotta reply egg

I got this pfp from when I played diabotical and it was the egg game

Look at the eggs with rocket launchers

And my egg was a purple egg, so eggplant hahaha

I changed to blue eventually

[near scroll]

cute :)

[heavy tendon]

New spec is a safety harness for safely climbing on roofs

[unborn vapor]

Who wanna play rn ?

[near scroll]

not in THE FINALS™ it don't 😤

[unkempt moss]

Diabotical deserved better.

[slow fossil]

I try to use the SA1216 but it feels like I'm just hitting people with wet wipes
I hear people talk about how strong it is but I feel like say the Shak is much better, am I just using it wrong?

[stoic garden]

it requires insane aim and good movement, at the top levels it's good, anywhere else I'd settle for shak

[slow fossil]

Damn so I am bad </3

[stoic garden]

also mind the fact it actually has a recoil pattern you gotta compensate for like automatics

[slow fossil]

What kind of playstyle does it require? I've been trying to use stuff like the mesh shield to close the distance but unless I'm basically in their faces it doesn't feel like it does much

[stoic garden]

requires a very aggressive playstyle where you tank some shots with mesh, slide jump everywhere, take it down and start mowing down people, repeat until everyone dies or you get glitched and die, preferably you play with your team, drawing fire and letting them also help you dps down the enemies

you may also wanna throw down a dome, preferably towards your enemies like some melee players do

to do all of this tho you need very good aim

either that or shak will almost always provide more value with its ease of use and much better range

[slow fossil]

Ah I see, think I just need to practice getting close then but I usually just get shredded. Also sucks when it's a long range fight and I'm just sat there doing nothing lol

[stoic garden]

the main difference between sa12 and shak is the fact that sa12 can take somewhat prolonged fights while shak will have to reload early

[stoic garden]

yea you need to force the close range fights

[slow fossil]

Mhm okay, guess I just need to practice more with it. Very frustrating when someone is like 5 feet away from me and all I can do is get them down to half while they just shred me 😭

[unkempt moss]

SA requires a GITA play style.

[slow fossil]

GITA?

[unkempt moss]

Get in that ass

[slow fossil]

Lmao

[stoic garden]

https://youtu.be/_DygQBHMtwg very rapid fire examples lol

[hollow wigeon]

average lewis enjoyer

[stoic garden]

i also noticed getting defibbed as sa12 is very good since you're almost never outta ammo

[slow fossil]

Getting the feeling it works best with a coordinated team as well? I'm kinda stuck with solo queueing so it's a complete gamble on if my team mates want to help me or not

[stoic garden]

yes it needs teammates

[unkempt moss]

Yeah. If you have nothing to play off of youre just going to get eaten. GooGun helps as well to isolate fights if you know how to use it.

[hollow wigeon]

@ocean copper whats your loadout

wrong tag

[stoic garden]

i play mesh lewis emitter rpg dome, nothing special

[unkempt moss]

@GooGun i love you

right tag

[stoic garden]

if my teammates arent sticking to me during fights i swap emitter for goo or something

[slow fossil]

Holy goated, they make it look easy 😭

[slow fossil]

Oo true, although for goo I usually use flame or sledge. I've not properly used goo in ranked though because I'm not too confident with it, super fun though

[serene glade]

Just run shit in ranked. Fastest way to learn is by mistakes

[slow fossil]

But the mean Russians will tell me to uninstall </3
Doesn't matter much though when I get into "easy" difficulty matches and get completely destroyed by all the other teams first round

[unkempt moss]

Brother we ranked down to like 12000 this season learning new weapons and generally being dumbasses. The game is less fun the higher you go, trust me. Play whatever you want. Those mfs dont pay your electricity and internet bill, they dont get to tell you to do anything.

Best way learn is to play in the environment you want to succeed in. If youre in bronze on SA then its accurately showing your rank with that weapon.

[slow fossil]

That sounds fun honestly, yeah I'm at like 31k and half the games are pretty ass. Like right now in a match with a ruby full stack

[near scroll]

no way, bro graduated from ARN PLAYER to LEWIS PLAYER, i'm so proud on your gender transition babe!!!

[stoic garden]

i actually played more lewis than arn to begin with, i just recently started enjoying arn, always loved lewis

[unkempt moss]

As soon as you hit plat the game falls off a cliff in terms of enjoyment. Diamond and Ruby is ever worse.

[slow fossil]

Suffering from success
Need to find people to play with, I imagine not solo queueing makes it a bit better, unfortunately the lfg channel seems to be kinda quiet most of the time

[unkempt moss]

Googs and I just climbed back up to the higher ranks after throwing for weeks.

[slow fossil]

I mean with the quality of my matches it seems I'll be stuck here lol, I got up to 34k and went on a losing streak down to 31k

[unkempt moss]

Go lower. Bronze is heaven. Everything works down there. Everything is broken and you can run literally any combination of loadout.

[slow fossil]

Yeah but then I have to like throw games and that's bad

[sudden pewter]

Eclipse Shade 93R

Why didn’t they release that last season smh

[compact tundra]

Wow they finally told us that the holiday vacations are why the balance changes are slow. Great that's the first time they've actually communicated and taken some accountability for the fact that balance changes are coming out slow as shit. Tho doesn't change the whole, why weren't the devs working during the build up to the majors

[stoic garden]

REAL

embark is the new mojang? 🤔

[compact tundra]

At least mojang is actually adding content regularly. We've had a dry well since like what 8.3

[sly cradle]

Has the 93r gotten a mythic skin yet?

[sudden pewter]

No

[sudden pewter]

Deadass? I joked that’s why but did they actually confirm it?

[compact tundra]

Yea, look at the community announcement for the new update

[sudden pewter]

“Skewed Holiday Schedule”?

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patchy-the-pirate-thats-it-disappointed-gif-27280238

[compact tundra]

Yea, it's not like there gonna actually tell us that they took long vacations on top of for some reason not working during the majors

[sudden pewter]

Sorry I haven’t added you yet btw I keep meaning to but I’ve been playing Hytale and ESO

[compact tundra]

That's fine, I've been playing Stardew valley a lot anyways

[wild zenith]

all of my favorite games are in "soon" mode

[sudden pewter]

I fuck with Stardew valley Heavy Crème

It was my cocaine when it first launched, “just one more night” until its 3am on a school night

[compact tundra]

It's fun as shit. I'm in my first world still on year one and I'm just grinding money so I can make my game look cozy

[sudden pewter]

Strawberries bro

Speedrun the greenhouse ASAP it’s just passive money

[compact tundra]

I am. I'm in fall year one and got my first ancient fruit seeds in spring. So now I have 4 ancient fruits stored to be made into seeds and I got another seed recently that I turned into plantable seeds. That's what I'm gonna plant in my green house

[sudden pewter]

Hell yeah

I miss turning ancient fruit into wine

[compact tundra]

I've had hella good rng for some reason and I've been watching beginner videos so I don't make too many mistakes

[sudden pewter]

Greenhouse is so good because you can grow coffee every day and then make coffee every morning for speed boost to get through chores

[compact tundra]

That's fair, I think I'ma keep the green house as a money maker tho and put coffee in a shed, assuming sheds also grow year round

[sudden pewter]

Sheds don’t iirc

[compact tundra]

Oh? That sucks if so, cause I was gonna fill it with coffee in pots

[sudden pewter]

It’s been years since I played so perhaps it’s different now

Haven’t touched the game since the island expansion. I should replay for Bikini Abigail

[compact tundra]

Fair, I went for Shane tho, I liked his backstory the most, tho I've heard Alex is really cool if you play as a guy, and Sebastian also has a lot of lore

[nova hull]

hi guys

[compact tundra]

Hello

[brave knoll]

Don't you think 3 dashes are too many? I think 2 is about right. Games are full of lights who abuse them, and if that's correct for you, then demat shouldn't have been nerfed either.

[umbral lodge]

Ya idk how demat is delayed and only gets 2 but dash is 3 and charges quicker.

[brave knoll]

I think that devs have always had a special eye for light, it is the most used and they are afraid to touch it

[umbral lodge]

I mean competitively light is kinda out the meta unless u have a really good aim and all that (skill and positioning) since HHM is on the rise. They gotta bring back 2 glitch nades to help with the shields. But yes most players are light but not good ones

[compact tundra]

3 is needed for double and triple dashing which is basically required at higher levels to dodge people with beam aim. I think nerfing the cool down to 10s and locking the horizontal distance further would be an adequate nerf

[sudden pewter]

I’d like to see two dashes, but dash itself isn’t really an issue imo.

[umbral lodge]

Ya I think it’s fine just the fact demat is nerfed in comparison I find weird it wasn’t hard meta. I just want medium to be fun again (heal slave)

[brave knoll]

But most players aren't even competitive, I don't think everyone is a diamond or a ruby. And I think developers should also think about that segment of the user base and not just about esports and competitive play, providing balance between the classes.

[sudden pewter]

Archetypes. The Finals has no classes.

Demat was nerfed because it was the best option for every play.

[umbral lodge]

Yes and most low rank lights provide no value for ur team unless ur already dominating and they get some rat kills. They already nerfed glitch nade and gateway. TBH just gotta nerf a Heavy a tiny bit

[brave knoll]

dash isn't it?

[compact tundra]

Yes but dash is carrying light rn and if dash got that big of a nerf the meta would become MHH. Which would suck for light players. And on top of that I think remembering higher level play is important cause we can't balance dash off people who can't even track 1 dash. If we buffed cloak and grapple and gave dash a cool down nerf and a horizontal nerf to ease its competition with grapple then it'd be fine

[brave knoll]

I've already discussed the toxicity that's coming in games where the goo gun is used

[compact tundra]

The issue more to me is that grapple and cloak are bad, not that dash is broken

[umbral lodge]

Ya the problem is it’s the best same for medium and heal beam it’s clearly the best one when demat is delayed and turret is uhh ya

[sudden pewter]

Grapple isn’t bad. It does its job well, it’s just not as broadly applicable as Dash.

Cloak needs work done though, I agree

[compact tundra]

That's kinda what I meant tho. Both cloak and grapple have good use cases. But it's never enough to compete with dash, I'd like them to get a bit better at their respective use cases and see dash be nerfed in a way that stops it from competing with them so much

[sudden pewter]

I’d rather see dash have its uptime lessened

Not gut dash mind, just having enough charges (2) for a solid juke

[compact tundra]

I would too but I think a cool down nerf is better than removing a dash, 3 dashes is kinda needed in my opinion, tho I could be wrong, I've been doing fine with grapple so maybe it's dash lights scared they'll have to be more thoughtful with it. I just personally think a cool down nerf would work better so their uptime is less but the usefulness is still their

[sudden pewter]

I’d be fine with a CD adjustment

[brave knoll]

But the balance we expect will never come. We'll see next week what has been touched that we didn't need.

[compact tundra]

Honestly I'd like to see it become a 10s cool down per charge, so they have a great burst juke but after that their kinda open

[sudden pewter]

Dash is certainly used as a crutch by lower elo players but that’s hardly an argument against dash itself. The charges could be lowered with a lower CD to match or increased CD overall so they maintain the burst of mobility followed by a period of vulnerability

They’re still the smallest most mobile archetype even without dash

But tbh if that were to be done, Grapple and Cloak would still be suboptimal. Dash reigns and ultimately nothing changes

Maybe TFall2 Grapple distance based CD? Would maintain its use cases but would also help its short mobility viability. Probably wouldn’t dethrone dash but would be something for the sake of change

[compact tundra]

I agree but we could look at other ways of buffing them to make them compete. Maybe grapple could be lowered to an 8s cool down so grapple has more reliable movement but is worse at juking. And cloak can now recharge while cloaked with vanish bomb so it's competitor actually works well with it and maybe sitting still makes the cloak harder to see. Cloaks a hard one to balance without it becoming very annoying, much like turret

[sudden pewter]

Naw fuck that, Vanish Bomb has group utility enough to differentiate it from cloak as a spec

[compact tundra]

That would be nice too honestly. Long grapes take more charge, whole short ones come out quicker

[sudden pewter]

Cloak and Vanish don’t need arbitrary “play nice” mechanics

[compact tundra]

That's the problem, vanish bomb kinda eats into the crowd that would've otherwise used cloak

[sudden pewter]

Not really? The issue remains. (Dash)

[umbral lodge]

Increase dash CD. Revert glitch nade nerf and shield buff. Nerf repeater and titan (fuck poke) boom game fixed

[sudden pewter]

Light has a shorter timer with vanish bomb than other friendly contestants. It’s a group utility first, a selfish choice second

[placid slate]

The meta is already mhh thanks to the glitch nerfs and dome buffs

[compact tundra]

Shield buff? If you mean mesh then no, that was needed. And glitch was really powerful, having one is fine

[placid slate]

Along with other misc changes

[serene glade]

I'd like to see something about vanish bomb tbh, maybe the more teammates you get the longer the invisibility timer. Then shorten it for solo uses so it doesn't just replace cloak as a spec

[sudden pewter]

Having a second glitch because the first was beefed was annoying and gay

[sudden pewter]

Yeah this. Selfish Lights ruin games, forcing them to be near their team to get the most of utility items might be the play needed tbh

You wanna get the max use out of a vanish bomb? Orbit a homie to get it.

[umbral lodge]

The second glitch was fine it kept mesh and dome shields in check. Without it we’re now going to a double heavy meta shit sucks

[serene glade]

I understand it could be a good thing for light to have, but the only thing I see it get used for is "I wanna run cloak but can't get rid of dash"

[sudden pewter]

Yeah, it’s an odd design decision made early on to give Light cloak as a spec, and then cloak as a group utility but having them separate

[compact tundra]

I like the vanish bomb, but I think having it work well with cloak would make cloak better since it's eating cloaks pool a bit

[sudden pewter]

So Lights will continue to main Dash and nothing else because it’s the most broadly viable

[unkempt moss]

Vanish should be a medium gadget. Its that simple.

[compact tundra]

I disagree cause I think it's good on light, but honestly I wouldn't Mind making it multi class on medium

[sudden pewter]

I’m not disagreeing but I’m grimacing and frowning at the thought on principle

[umbral lodge]

Vanish plus demat mmmm

[sudden pewter]

I like that Cloak/EMP is unique to Light. It gives them a use case beyond “I’m a baby and I like CoD”

[umbral lodge]

Medium gets emp (glitch mine) but I agree with ur point

[unkempt moss]

And make a Vanish barrel

[compact tundra]

Honestly vanish bomb medium is an idea I like, I think they should mulit-class it to medium

[unkempt moss]

Slowly converting everyone to GOUF patch

Or Goufers as I like to call them

[umbral lodge]

Realistically it wouldn’t get use on medium already have locked in gadgets

[compact tundra]

Wait, what if cloak allowed you to not get burned by fire. Then gas would have a better use case and if we added anti heal fire it would especially make gas useful since it'd be the only way to keep cloak rats out of a room without them burning the gas and announcing their entrance

[sudden pewter]

Universal Gadget so we can have cloak SA

[compact tundra]

As much as I love that I think heavy relying on his teammates for cloak is a better balance decision

[unkempt moss]

Thats why we have vanish barrels.

[sudden pewter]

Naw, gives fucks up the cookbook

[compact tundra]

But I think medium getting it on top of light would be great and making it fire proof would make a great use for cloak for entering rooms stealthily

[placid slate]

Cloak spear

[unkempt moss]

Cloak hammer. Little invisible m2 never hurt nobody.

[sudden pewter]

What’s the consensus on perfect invisibility but a decloak timer/animation? I’m not sure such a mechanic could work in a game as fast as this

Bare minimum I’d like to see cloak do a model swap that disables any jigglebones or physX objects

[compact tundra]

I think perfect invisibility would be a problem especially in lower lobbies cause with perfect invisibility it's just a reaction time check

[sudden pewter]

That’s fair, a check many players fail even with non-cloaked players

I played some TDM yesterday after abysmal PB games and my second to final lobby was myself (91) a friend (32) and 3 +100 players. Only myself and my friend had positive KDA. In a mode where the objective is just:

• Don’t feed
• Get Kill

Ridiculous. I expect better from players with so much time invested in the game

[compact tundra]

I try not to get mad at it. I just assume people like that are either having an off day or have just been playing casually since the early seasons and don't really try to get better

[unkempt moss]

These are Bow Users people. Lower your expectations

[sudden pewter]

I expect to lose in any given match, I’m purely focused on my performance and learning from mistakes I make.

Trying to perfect this mindset for when I inevitably play ranked and get the worlds worst Lights as teamates

[compact tundra]

Thats fair. I just try to remember that I'm weird for being sweaty, most people are probably just trying to chill after getting off work. I'm ok with carrying 15-8 with my glorious flamethrower. My shoulders are thick and my back is strong

[copper hazel]

it's quite simple - it's casual gamemode

if you care about such things then it's kinda your problem ngl

[unkempt moss]

Youre putting too much pressure on yourself. You'll give yourself ranked anxiety that way.

[compact tundra]

I don't think that's fair, getting mad cause someone with hundreds of hours in the game is sucking meat is kinda fair. Like C4tter isn't in the wrong or anything. Just I try not to let it get to me

[sudden pewter]

I have to, when I was younger I chimped out in ranked gamemodes because my rank was reflected in lackluster players performance. I’m trying to change my mindset to an improvement-centric one

[copper hazel]

i mean sometimes people might just not play their usual loadout and such, some people just might get bad day and not land anything

that's quick play for reason - you join it just to play and warm up

if you care so much about winning quick play then it's not problem of team tbh

[muted condor]

Why would you experiment with a new load out in ranked

[serene glade]

Because it makes my teammates angry

[sudden pewter]

I will never forget the pure autistic agony I experienced with Dirty Bomb ranked. Melee Phantoms are just the Sword Lights of yesteryear

[copper hazel]

especially if it's tdm where it's literally just brainless fighting back to back to back

[muted condor]

That’s more of a reason to be mad at the person because it’s not just a off day that’s throwing the match

[copper hazel]

it's about tdm games no?

[muted condor]

Ah I miss read

[unkempt moss]

You have to train in the environment youre playing for.

[muted condor]

Oh, Thats why my teacher made me perform heart surgery on a child my first day of medical school

[copper hazel]

in ranked yeah it is understandable cuz you expect team to try their best to win
there's no excuses

but when people tryhard in quickplays and blame tm8s for loses - it confuses me

[muted condor]

I thought we were talking about ranked my bad. Yeah qp match’s I don’t care if someone is ass

[unkempt moss]

Sounds like a good teacher.

[serene glade]

I actively throw my ranked games, but I'm actually just so good we win anyway. Literally suffering from success

[sudden pewter]

There’s no blame, it’s a gamemode where the sole objective is (again)

• Kill/Don’t Die
  Where 3 +100 players perform worse than a 32, it’s completely normal to be a bit befuddled given how much experience the players have

[copper hazel]

and as i said - who cares about someone else's kda

especially if it's brainless gamemode aka tdm

[serene glade]

Please don't call TDM brainless or a top 50 TDM player on the leaderboard will show up

[sudden pewter]

MB I should have known better to expect more from you

[copper hazel]

it's alright, i forgive you

[copper hazel]

hate makes me stronger

[muted condor]

You’ll summon bow user

[copper hazel]

as a bow user myself i dont car about tdm cuz tdm is actually bad gamemode to practice bow skills (for the most part)

[muted condor]

Also fuck defib

And fuck esports

[copper hazel]

real

[sudden pewter]

Sorry bro it’s vital to the games future (source: trust me bro)

[copper hazel]

oh so this guy blocked me already because i was saying "who cares about qps" lmao
people are so weird sometimes

[sudden pewter]

Think about all the $12 bundles ESPORTS will bring dude. Isn’t that what you’re here for?

[serene glade]

I need to take a vital 5 month vacation from making any significant balance changes

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

[copper hazel]

2 weapon changes for the next 2 months will be enough

[muted condor]

We need to give money to toxic players that hurt the game and make people leave

[copper hazel]

another buff for burst weapon or something like that

[sudden pewter]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message
Was for this actually, if someone proves to be not worth conversing with I block to filter for meaningful conversation. (Nothing against you personally)

Some redeem themselves but it’s not like you have anything to prove. 🤷‍♂️

[muted condor]

The one streamer get his career destroyed and kicked off the team was the only good thing that came of the majors

[sudden pewter]

Which one?

[copper hazel]

why you taking stuff so seriously

[sudden pewter]

I told you why in the message directly above it….

[copper hazel]

sorry for not being worthy aight

[muted condor]

I don’t care about the worthless troglodyte enough to let him lick the dirt off my boot much less bother remembering his name

[sudden pewter]

Fair, we hate ESPORTS in this household

[muted condor]

Food for the ants the lot of em I say

[sudden pewter]

Waiting for The Finals themed PNG/V-Tubers to take off so we can have the Chuck-Streamer get booted off the creator program for saying slurs like “Sword Light” or “Chimp Heavy”

[serene glade]

Esports is good for us bro, maybe even vital. Idk why everyone is hating on the success (14k viewers) of the tgm (what a horrible name)

[muted condor]

14k of they’re 20k total players

[sudden pewter]

14k viewers propped up by twitch drops because Embark had to prove there was a market for it

[muted condor]

Lots of exposure for the game I’m sure

Every single viewer definitely wasn’t someone that already played

[serene glade]

Sit in your lawn chair and watch live NOW

[sudden pewter]

Yeah, because idk about you but I watch Competitive Streams of games I don’t play

[umbral lodge]

Esports sucks for us cuz it sets hard metas and fucked up balancing but it’s good for the game so we gotta suck it up

[sudden pewter]

So if a new player saw TGM IM certain they’d want to play it

[muted condor]

Who tf even watched streams

Iv never met anyone that does out side of getting the twitch drops

[sudden pewter]

I despise what streams and streamer culture has done for games

Because yeah, I wanna watch some goober play the game instead of playing it myself

[serene glade]

I noticed my hatred for content creation and Esports was during black ops 2. I noticed more and more "best loadouts" and shit popup

[sudden pewter]

Ah yes, game grifters

Destiny 2 was ruined by content creators and Bungie being incompetent

[muted condor]

Mine started MW2019

[serene glade]

Ruins fighting games as well because everyone plays the exact same and does the same combos watching guides, instead of just playing and learning for yourself

[muted condor]

Streamers ruined warzone not the devs and I will stand by this

[sudden pewter]

Yeah we’ve got +300 weapons and you’ll only ever see 10 of them because YouTubers said X Y and Z are the BEST UNDEFEATABLE IMMORTAL JADE BEAUTY BUILD

I’ll never forgive One Eyed Mask being birthed. Took two years of my life Ill never get back

[serene glade]

People do it for monster hunter too, it's so weird

[muted condor]

I will run off meta specifically to shove it in the face of people that just copy a meta video

[serene glade]

Theres obviously a market for it just from this channel alone, there's almost a daily "what da best loudout run when ape strong together"

[sudden pewter]

Dust Rock Blues
Lunas Howl
One Eyed Mask
Harbingers of the end.

And now Bungie is floundering. Well deserved.

Genuinely hope Embark never reaches the same state.

[serene glade]

At this point I almost want a finals 2.0 mega balance patch. Just shift everything around even if it's dumb and unbalanced. I just want to feel something

[sudden pewter]

So change for the sake of change? Normally I’d disagree but maybe some major experimentation is called for

[serene glade]

I think with a game like this to stay fresh change for the sake of change is good

[muted condor]

I used to go around and stomp on meta bitches with this thing as a fuck you

Bring fun and whimsy back into gaming

[sudden pewter]

Won’t happen due to the increased priority of the competitive scene. Too many changes too quickly prevents a new meta from forming which is antithetical to ESPORTS.

[serene glade]

Yeah pro players aren't flexible and are giant crybabies so it's unfortunate

[muted condor]

Make the game more like a game show with bigger and more game changing events

Make some of them bullshit even

[serene glade]

Ranked doesn't even feel like I'm in a gameshow aside from Scotty saying something stupid occasionally

[sudden pewter]

I’d love that

[sudden pewter]

TTS: Woohoo!

[muted condor]

Make an event where money just falls from the sky and can be grabbed
“ITS RAINING COINS JUNE!”
“It looks like cash if free for the taking for who ever can reach it first Scotty.”

[serene glade]

Last night was my normal season eye opening "oh this game is just not fun" when every lobby was the same loadouts and guns, and final round was on poorly designed Monaco getting bfr/repeatered to death while I'm running around with a mgl

[muted condor]

As weird as it sounds if they add more unfare bullshit to the core of the game it will become more fun

“Oops it looks like your weapons are healing enemies now and only arena objects can hurt them. Good thing it’s raining red canisters from the sky.”

[serene glade]

Adding so much healing and keeping the breakpoints the way they are is an insane balance decision to me still

Weapons just get stuck behind mid status because of healing

[stoic garden]

now glitch kinda died

[serene glade]

Please give me this

[wraith orchid]

just remove two weapons for "rework" purposes

[stoic garden]

repeater and bfr! die for me!

[sudden pewter]

I’m waiting for all melee weapons to be disabled so Embark can at least appear to be working on the melee rework

“Yeah guys we’re totally working rn can’t you see the disabled weapons??”

[serene glade]

Hell yeah, they must be working hard

[sudden pewter]

laughs in thermal

[muted condor]

People now turn into ghosts that will attack anyone near them for a short time when they died

[unkempt lava]

is the pistol meta rn? or it was always like that

[serene glade]

Which one

[unkempt lava]

light

[umbral lodge]

The titan is and the light one is prettyyyy good

[muted condor]

It was always good but lights are only using it now because their favorite content creator said it’s good

[serene glade]

Revolver is the best medium weapon and I'm tired of pretending it's not

[umbral lodge]

Not when the repeater is here

[muted condor]

It really is

[unkempt lava]

lol i just remember using it half year ago and it wasnt that easy to get kills

[serene glade]

148 bursts and that fire rate and hipfire accuracy. I think it's better, repeater is just easier to use

[umbral lodge]

It just got rang nerfed but it’s still good

[unkempt lava]

almost one shots light

[muted condor]

I think the revolver beats the repeater in TTK

[umbral lodge]

Ah yes ttk is all that matters

[muted condor]

When two weapons are super similar it does

[sudden pewter]

If you’re referring to the 93R, no. It was super overtuned but is now in a healthier state. V9S is very effective atm and is definitely a decent choice though.

[unkempt lava]

yes the v9s

[stoic garden]

healthier yes usable no

[sudden pewter]

Yeah, Revolver has a faster RoF and still has very decent headshot damage

[muted condor]

TTK between the bow and fcar means less than the revolver and repeater

[unkempt lava]

forgot about 93r at all

[umbral lodge]

Repeater is busted and will be nerfed. Revolver is good tho in the right hands

[sudden pewter]

I will consume you

[stoic garden]

I'd almost play xp over 93r now lmao

[serene glade]

If there's more heavies in the game (which judging from how much people complain they play against 13 heavies in one lobby) revolver is way better than repeater imo

[muted condor]

The repeater is only busted because even little Timmy with one hand can use it without difficulty

[unkempt lava]

they nerfed it? xp i mean

[stoic garden]

also kills faster than model

[muted condor]

If it’s two good players the revolver is probably better

[stoic garden]

93r? yes it doesn't 2 burst lights on body anymore
xp? it got nerfed in like season 6 and arn has been the better choice since

[unkempt lava]

but xp compared to arn?

[sudden pewter]

Revolver is more flexible yes

The tradeoff is largely range + mag

[stoic garden]

rn xp has very slightly faster ttk, slightly faster reload, much worse damage at range compared to arn, no double mag

also arn has easier recoil I'd say

[muted condor]

Repeater is for stomping lights the revolver players are what the repeater players wish they could be

[serene glade]

Arn has more bullets less recoil, more range, faster reload. Legit 0 reason to xp. Honestly would love to see one of the 3 light smgs get turned into a projectile weapon

[stoic garden]

revolver is the secret goat pick

[unkempt lava]

i think its decent when you are playing as a healer

[serene glade]

One headshot on a push and it's just over for the other team

[stoic garden]

arn reloads slower

[serene glade]

Not when I magdump in a fight

[stoic garden]

of course

[muted condor]

I have a hard time playing revolver because I ether miss literally every shot im a round or im a god that can’t stop hitting heads and get reported for cheating with no in between

[unkempt lava]

litteraly

[umbral lodge]

Revolver and repeater are meta slave picks either way. Model 4 life

[stoic garden]

i love revolver but that shit bounces on it more than lh1

[serene glade]

Cerberus with the cactus skin is untouchable, sorry

[muted condor]

I had a random team mate in vc get mad at me one saying he was gonna report me for having aim bot

[umbral lodge]

lol fair

[surreal snow]

helloooo

[muted condor]

Next round I got like two kills lmao

[umbral lodge]

Model flip between shots stims me

[stoic garden]

turned off your cheats

[muted condor]

Dual blades is the real chad medium weapon

[umbral lodge]

Dual blades with turret can be fun

[serene glade]

Mmm I love fighting ping and the servers even more than I have to

[muted condor]

Real

[unkempt moss]

Hi

[serene glade]

Fat alert

[stoic garden]

WHAT

[unkempt moss]

I'm over here

[muted condor]

Fatty

[unkempt moss]

Norcomma comparing open heart surgery on a dying child to ranked video games is like a top 10 wepsNgadg post. Had me laughing irl

That shit was too funny

[muted condor]

I did kinda undermine how serious ranked matches are didn’t I

[unkempt moss]

Yeah. If my queue popped during the surgery that lil mf is dying on the table

[stoic garden]

lol

[chilly granite]

Most tdm players aren't playing for the objective of the game but rather for these objectives:

Practice weapon

Have fun

[unkempt moss]

Gd this goes hard.

[chilly granite]

A lot of people with hundreds of hours have that time because they have health problems (like me lol)

[stoic garden]

me who still sucks at the game:

[chilly granite]

Tdm is actually excellent for practicing pressured shots and partial draws

[stoic garden]

i'll blame it on 50 fps 600 pixel resolution

i didnt even mean to do that lol

took me almost exactly 2 years of finals

[chilly granite]

I never emote so I had to try to do it deliberately hahaha

[stoic garden]

i just killed someone at the end of a game and then emoted cuz my friends wanted to hear the guitar solo emote

i've been emoting since i got the season 5 music trio emotes

[serene glade]

-Fat

[stoic garden]

sounds too good to pass up on 🔥

[chilly granite]

The most important skills for bow in cashout are positioning and prediction, which tdm doesn't help much with

But I'm good at prediction from other games, so it's mostly ok, and I'm running grapple to compensate for bad positions hahaha

Tdm is very good for practicing flick aim on lights which are basically the hardest fights with the bow? Light is the class that easiest pressures the bow/punishes the draw

[umbral lodge]

Should really run dash for bow

[sudden pewter]

To clarify: We all have bad days. But in a mode where the sole objectives are:

• Don’t die
• Get kills
  I shouldn’t see x3 +100 players do worse than a 32.

And not just -1 or so KDA. I’m talking 2/1/10 or so.

Basically just feeding. Obviously it’s a “casual” gamemode (in that it isn’t ranked) but holy shit

[stoic garden]

i may not get kills but i dont let myself get killed very easily either at least

[sudden pewter]

That’s all I ask, this is a team game (unless it’s an FFA LTM) and by design you’re expected to carry your weight.

This isn’t an OBJ gamemode where there’s a variety of factors that can alter someone’s personal or overall performance. Things like the cashout station spawning in a poor position, it getting moved into the open, stalling, third parties, etc

It’s just don’t die and kill. And on both counts they failed. There’s no blame being levied, no unreasonable arguments made. Just they didn’t perform well and I (we) lost because of it.

And that sucks. Doesn’t feel good.

And somehow that sparked a soapbox speech of “you shouldn’t even be trying to win in a casual gamemode” and “you’re actually the problem”

[compact tundra]

Sorry if I came off that way. I was worried I did

[sudden pewter]

No? You literally agreed that it can be frustrating

[compact tundra]

Oh fair, you meant the other dude

[sudden pewter]

John Pork yes

[muted condor]

We should jump him with hammers

[sudden pewter]

I get there’s a social benefit to being the “chill guy” that doesn’t take the game seriously at all and there’s definitely an argument to be made there. But Embark themselves expect you to play to win regardless of gamemode. If that were not the case, your W/L ratio wouldn’t be front and center on your profile. The “Win a match” challenge wouldn’t be daily. Etc. Etc.

[muted condor]

Being chill about losing is for bottoms

[compact tundra]

That's fair, I do try to act more laid back tho just to counter act how sweaty the game is becoming. I think the smaller player base and hard focus on the majors makes the game way too sweaty for new players so I try to limit my own sweatyness. Tho I don't think it'll accomplish much

[sudden pewter]

I’m not violently vibrating and being toxic in the chat, every match ends with a GG or a Good Try. I was just pointing out its odd that players with so much experience under their belt perform so poorly in the most simple gamemode, and that it was frustrating

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk 👉 👈

[slow linden]

Give heavy a thomson

[sudden pewter]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message
Message in question for those that weren’t there. (Form your own conclusions and assess wether that was a reasonable response)

[unkempt moss]

Mad cuz bad lol

[deep karma]

I am top frag 95% of the time in TDM, but I think new players especially need a place to go to practice shooting and game feel with no downtime. I see a lot of players in there that are default skin and low level just clearly learning the ropes. Both teams can end up with that kind of player of course too.

I don’t mind the challenge of trying to carry 30 kills so our worse team can win, I still find it’s the easiest way to get the daily win quest done if you are a statistical anomaly that shoots good.

[wild zenith]

like, why does anyone care how people perform in tdm

[sudden pewter]

In my defense I could have done better. Only 20 kills 😔

[wild zenith]

if they are experienced, they are probably playing tdm because they are high or something

[unkempt moss]

If you were elite like me you'd he scoring 40+ easy

[sudden pewter]

Even with Minigun?

[sudden pewter]

The players in question were all above lvl100.

[unkempt moss]

Quick Melee only.

[wild zenith]

dont underestimate how much people sleepwalk when playing games

you dont have to learn anything to grind a gazillion matches

[left sage]

I mean it's an unranked side mode who cares

[wild zenith]

tru

[sudden pewter]

This adds so much to the conversation, thank you

[left sage]

So people should sweat everywhere? It's a game

[wild zenith]

your welcome

[unkempt moss]

I'd say there's an argument for it in purely pvp mode.

[sudden pewter]

“I don’t care, why should you” is definitely one of the things ever said

[unkempt moss]

Maybe not sweat, but give your best.

[left sage]

Counter argument some people just want to shoot pixels and not turn the brain on after a day of work, finals is hella sweaty as is and it's part of why retaining playerbase is so difficult

[serene glade]

You can play meme builds and stupid shit without being serious and stupid yourself

[unkempt moss]

They have single player and pve shooters.

[wild zenith]

i actively think its funny to take tdm seriously

[umbral lodge]

This conversation reminds of some current marvel rivals drama… lol if ur playing ranked u should do everything u can to win. Simple it’s fun to try and win

[muted condor]

If you over lvl100 you really should be performing better than a lvl15 at your worst

[sudden pewter]

Rivals 🤮

[wild zenith]

matches played literally has no bearing on skill

[unkempt moss]

I play my hardest on my worst builds

[umbral lodge]

lol ya the game sucks I’m just saying they bullied that guy for wanting to win a 40k tourney lmao

[left sage]

Elitist as hell, you want this game to die?

[muted condor]

#JusticeforKingsmen

[serene glade]

Yes tbh

[umbral lodge]

#vibes

[muted condor]

Yes

[wild zenith]

a level 15 can easily beat a level 100 if they are paying attention and actively trying to learn and the other isnt

theres nothing unusual about it. levels are not ranks

[umbral lodge]

Ya I play with shit level 120+ every day

[serene glade]

I want embark to fail and not be able to afford vacations or to put food on their families table

[muted condor]

That argument only holds up for so long

[unkempt moss]

I guess I dont understand why you would want to play PvP shooters to not try and win. PvE shooters are far more engaging and chill if thats what you want.

[wild zenith]

well, the reality is that some level 100+ players just suck. That can be observed right now

[sudden pewter]

That’s what I was pointing out. We all have bad days, it’s not like I myself am gods gift to gaming and going 20/2 every single game. But for three +100 players to all perform cheeks against fairly mediocre players with levels ranging from 30-90 is very odd.

Level isn’t an indicator of skill, nobody ever postulated that. But it is a measure of time invested in a game, and the more time someone invests in a game generally they’re better at it because of experience

[muted condor]

By the time you’ve hit the 100s you’ve put an insane amount of time in that it should be physically impossible to be worse than a lvl20 even if you suck at the game

[left sage]

I think there is a big difference between not trying to win and not sweating.

If I want to try some stupid nonsense loadout I'll probably go to TDM or something else that's not ranked, I'll still try to win but I'm not over here giving 120% you know?

[sudden pewter]

And again, it’s not just one, or two. It’s three of them. Collectively pulling less weight than a Medium with Dual Blades.

[wild zenith]

i dunno why yall are like "its impossible it makes no sense" when its happening right in front of your eyes

[unkempt moss]

Thats why I said not sweat, but at least try your best.

[sudden pewter]

Where are you getting this from?

What did you read where that was your takeaway?

[left sage]

Maybe these people were, some people just ain't that good at games and it's fine

[muted condor]

I would say it’s just people having an off day if running into dog shit lvl 100s didn’t happen every match. There is genuinely something wrong with the player base some how

[left sage]

My one friend I play with frequently is just an awful shot, is what it is I'm not going to pressure the guy to start training lol

[serene glade]

I have a friend who's terrible at video games, it's honestly impressive to never improve in any way

[muted condor]

Missing higher brain function fr

[serene glade]

No he's not employed and he gets black out drunk every night. So don't say he has a life

[muted condor]

Dude sounds amazing

[left sage]

Also skill has so many levels man I'm sure there's Ruby's running around thinking damn everyone in this chat sucks balls can't believe they are level whatever

[muted condor]

There’s also a difference between not being good at aiming and being a 100 that just defibed me in front of the entire enemy team

[serene glade]

Yeah but Ruby players are losers

Right chatroom

[left sage]

I regret to inform you half the population has an IQ below 100 and that's kinda just reality

[muted condor]

You genuinely have to be lacking some brain function to put 500 hours into a game and not even know how to defiv half decent

[unkempt moss]

Right, but what kind of sadist wants to queue in to something to get absolutely shit stomped after getting fucked over at work all day? Play a pve game.

[left sage]

Idk what to tell you man some people go 2-15 and are happy they got 2 kills, some people just dont like PVE

Gate keeping isn't helping anyone here

[serene glade]

Gate keeping fighting games would have saved them tbf

[left sage]

If anything I'd say yell at matchmaking not the players

[wild zenith]

Im mostly saying that I dont think theres a point to what youre arguing. Nothing embark can do will make the players do better. Telling the community to play better isnt gonna do anything. Youre just complaining

[sudden pewter]

Gatekeep your hobbies deadass.

[deep karma]

They’d be more fun, but sales..

[muted condor]

Gate keeping saves hobbies

[unkempt moss]

You are the pve at that point.

[sudden pewter]

So it’s something you’ve pulled from the aether to offer a nothing burger to a conversation but say “you should be nice I think”. Wonderful. Thank you.

[left sage]

So would you rather never have garbage teammates but cut the playerbase in half? Games not exactly healthy as is

[deep karma]

I do think everyone should be nice, being nice is cool

[muted condor]

Also I’m not saying people can’t be bad at a game Im saying it reasonable to get a little tilted when your team is as but has more hours than you

[unkempt moss]

Brother I play fighting games. Thats my reality.

[serene glade]

I may have lost 115 times, but I took a round

[unkempt moss]

Exactly

[sudden pewter]

It wasn’t even tilt, these filthy yellows never even read the message. They’re just making assumptions

[wild zenith]

your welcome

[left sage]

Ahhhh see I DONT want this to die though

[deep karma]

Then you quit after that 1-115 and say ggs

[serene glade]

Based

[deep karma]

You and GooKing strike me as Fightcade players

[serene glade]

"I learned so much from that ass whooping"
"Like what"
"Idk sajam told me to say that"

[left sage]

The message was just you being whiny what hidden meaning are you trying to refer to here lmao

[muted condor]

If we lost half the player base we would only lose 200 players XD

[sudden pewter]

Never did anyone in the conversation say “You should be sweating every round” or “You need to treat this game like an ESPORT”

It was JUST “These three +100 players did less than a lvl 32 combined, that sucks”

And yeah, objectively it sucks.

[serene glade]

I think if we kill sajam we kill Esports, WHOS WITH ME BOYS

[sudden pewter]

I only play farming games what is Sajam

[muted condor]

Fuck esports!

[wild zenith]

i think its your mistake for making assumptions based on their level

[serene glade]

Doesnt matter we just gotta hit a will it kill

[unique cove]

i just wanna make a vc!!!

[wild zenith]

you set yourself up to get angry

[sudden pewter]

35 messages

[serene glade]

SCRAM

[left sage]

If they had diamond badges and then absolutely bombed I would understand more

[unique cove]

lmao fsfs

[muted condor]

If you put 500 hours into something and are still horrible it’s time to pack it up honestly

[sudden pewter]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message
This comes off as whiny to you?

Or angry?

[left sage]

Whiny yes angry nah

[indigo nexus]

What would the point be in getting angry about it?

[wild zenith]

replying to everyone that makes a comment on it is the whiny part

[left sage]

When you call it ridiculous that's definitely whiny my man

[sudden pewter]

Ridiculous is definitely a bit much I agree

[deep karma]

500 feels like the minimum required to start to be competent in some genres, if you were practicing and training with purpose

[left sage]

Although this definitely blew up more than you probably intended lol so not your fault there

[compact tundra]

Bro I'm so confused, why is this such a debate, it was one message with C4tter talking about a team of 100+'s that's played poorly, that's really it. He didn't shit talk, send a picture of the after game screen yapping about having to carry, literally just said "damn, they sucked and it's weird how high their level is" its kinda weird this is still being debated, I think everything that could be said has been said atp

[left sage]

I put like 600 hours into rainbow and still felt like I had no idea what I was doing when some guy wall bangs you 3 rounds in a row lol

[sudden pewter]

Internet

[unkempt moss]

Its already there for you because of the company

[left sage]

Debate was picked up by others that's how it goes

[sudden pewter]

Tbh I should have taken a screenie of the end of match screen just so we could all share in the lovecraftian horror that was the team performance

[serene glade]

Do you guys think Fred really thinks coolsville sucks? I saw it on the news

[sudden pewter]

OG rage bait

I’d love to wrap this up on an educational note, as if there’s a lesson to be learned from this. But there genuinely isn’t and what was a seemingly innocuous message seems to light a fire in those with nothing but ash. I will use this newfound power to write Heavy x Support Medium fan fiction.

[compact tundra]

I'll read every word

[left sage]

Finally something I can get behind

[sudden pewter]

Still waiting for a black cat tail to match the ears. Leave it to embark to half ass stuff

[unkempt moss]

Googs got banned for saying coolsville sucks. What a dumbass

[sudden pewter]

No way

I have historically said more profane shit off the cuff

Does Nexon have property in coolsville

@serene glade return to me my sweet chocolate prince

He’s gone 😔

[upper pelican]

6-7 days till buff pike

[sudden pewter]

Nah, Pike is being reworked into a melee weapon

[muted condor]

I’m just a hater and enjoy finding things to complain about

[sudden pewter]

I hate letting an argument (perceived or otherwise) fizzle out. There’s always gotta be a bombastic bang and a final “this is where I stand”. Regardless it’s been eye opening to see the actors from #💥┇spawn-point and #⚡┇the-finals-chat filter into here.

Very interesting to see two different spheres of the community in one place

[indigo nexus]

I want to see the actors from “the godfather” filter into here!

[muted condor]

If the argument ends without someone getting blocked during it it’s not fun

[sudden pewter]

I don’t like publicly announcing when someone is blocked, it’s childish

If someone proves to be smooth upstairs just block and carry on, no need to make spectacle of it

[indigo nexus]

the only people you should “block” are Steve and Alex. From Minecraft.

[muted condor]

I have one blocked account

[sudden pewter]

New contender is Hytale. Haven’t you heard?

[muted condor]

The child of Satan must be silenced

[sudden pewter]

Nah bro lemme check my list (some are bots tbh)

[indigo nexus]

I do not know any named characters from hytale

[muted condor]

I just like Mee6 being the only mf I have blocked

[sudden pewter]

Her name is girlfriend

[wind folio]

https://tenor.com/view/zesty-cat-niklas-cat-tongue-gif-9842551414196208576

[sudden pewter]

215 blocked accounts 😔

[muted condor]

Bro

[indigo nexus]

I knew someone who blocked every person who ever annoyed them in the slightest. It was weird since they were still active in the server, but they straight up wouldn’t see most conversation. So they would repeat things other people had said a lot.

[muted condor]

I don’t block out of principle of that means you lost

The Snale never losses

[sudden pewter]

I don’t view arguments as a someone wins/loses. Beyond bots(which I automatically block) or scammers(same shit) I only ever block in non-social spaces

I view this channel in particular as a non-social space. Clearly we socialize a bit (like right now) but I mainly come here to discuss balance, be that with healthy discussion or a shit flinging argument

If someone proves to be a dumbass (which doesn’t immediately equal agreeing with me mind) then they aren’t worth arguing or discussing with as they’re a brick wall.

Some have definitely redeemed themselves in my eyes. Others have not

[muted condor]

I live in a constant state of disassociation and delusion on the internet that causes me to apply high importance to meaningless arguments I don’t even agree with

[sudden pewter]

I have the tools to moderate my experience in this channel, I want to talk with people whose enjoyment of the game goes deeper than surface level.

[analog pewter]

omg my favorite sponsor: upcoming

[sudden pewter]

Watch Embark come out of left field and it’s MultiCo

[analog pewter]

the circuit reward is volpe p90

[muted condor]

Volpe is trash

[analog pewter]

volpe is top 3 sponsors stfu

[muted condor]

One good cosmetic to their name

[sudden pewter]

Volpe SUCKS

[analog pewter]

volpe alfa and ospuze are top 3

[sudden pewter]

Sorry yikes but you’re objectively wrong and for your transgression you’re being blood eagles

[analog pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-itachi-itachi-uchiha-gif-14231405340327509356

[sudden pewter]

It was a pleasure knowing you

[muted condor]

OSPUZ, Alpha Acta, Holtow

[sudden pewter]

I’m surrounded by Basic Stacy’s smh OSPUZE???

[analog pewter]

real volpers know about the red handwraps

[muted condor]

Actually Vaiiya is better than Holtow

[analog pewter]

also nose tape with no injuries is nice

[muted condor]

It’s a classics and has the most cosmetics

[sudden pewter]

Yeah, because it’s Embarks favorite

[muted condor]

Vaiiya is just really cool and has the hottest CEO

[sudden pewter]

That’s like saying “I like hunters” in Destiny or “my favorite color is red!”

[analog pewter]

the finals' like, main colors are yellow and red
ospuze fits with everything and so do alfa and volpe

[muted condor]

I like Titan and purple

No fucking purple sponsor >:(

[analog pewter]

was a warlock main when destiny 2 was new but i dropped off before they removed titan and never came back bc they didnt bring back titan. until they did, but not really bc it wasn't the titan i knew

[sudden pewter]

I played during OEM days and I genuinely was on suicide watch

My brain was too big and everyone else’s so small and smooth

No nuance, every single crucible match the exact fucking same.

[muted condor]

Speaking of content creators ruining games

[sudden pewter]

APPOH KILLED SWORD RAAAAAGG

[muted condor]

D2 was killed by the shit devs and content creators working together to make the game as un enjoyable as possible

[sudden pewter]

I absolutely agree with this. Sea of Thieves is in the same boat

[muted condor]

Hahaha same boat

[sudden pewter]

For anyone unaware, I was an OG SoT beta player, and one of the first 700 players in the game to get the Skeleton Curse

[muted condor]

You’re a god damn comedian

[sudden pewter]

I was banned permanently for sinking a streamer.

[muted condor]

Bru

[sudden pewter]

In the fucking PvP gamemode

[oblique crypt]

Bruh

[muted condor]

This is why some people need to get hurt I’m sorry

[unkempt moss]

Dissun has been my favorite since Day 1

[sudden pewter]

Junior has my heart, he brought the Minigun to the arena. I would fight and die for him.

[muted condor]

I don’t usually condone violence but some people need it to grow as a human being

[unkempt moss]

Mostly because I thought it was a play Nissan/Datsun

But its a helghast power company

[sudden pewter]

In their defense it’s Rare at fault for giving that much power to streamers. There’s evidence of a Streamer Discord where they can literally just ping a dev and have someone’s account gone

It’s an ongoing issue to this day, 5 years later. And now the game is dying, whoopdedoo

[analog pewter]

my warlock looked dope as fuck doe
honestly borderlands 4 has filled a destiny shaped hole in my heart so im good

[sudden pewter]

I vibed with Osiris and the Osirian aesthetic before they retconned him into being a powerbottom for a Russian Robot (and a titan)

[muted condor]

Anyone who abuses power they are given to hurt people for personal reasons is scum

[unique cove]

destiny? lmao

[sudden pewter]

You can now make a VC

[analog pewter]

u might not believe it but there was a brief period where destiny 2 was good

[sudden pewter]

Back in my day D2 wasn’t complete dogshit. Just maybe 1/3

[analog pewter]

im a grindler so i enjoyed it around launch

[muted condor]

You wish you were this manly

[analog pewter]

resetting progression feels like ass though, i really hated how they handled seasonal rollout

[muted condor]

I did the impossible back in the day

[analog pewter]

i liked the lost pacific set a lot i turned my lost pacific robe into an ornament just so i could wear it forever

same robe i got when titan was still the original titan a wee memento

[sudden pewter]

My final set before I quit

You can see I went flawless that week too

[muted condor]

Wow, Egyptian warlock. Original buddy

[sudden pewter]

Yeah, I was dedicated to the solar empowerment

And then they made it GAY 🌈

[analog pewter]

goes without saying but the lost pacific helmet for warlocks is literally just the ODST helmet

[muted condor]

:) I ran sweet business on Titan so I’m also a basic bitch

[analog pewter]

i love when normal ass loot is drippy

[sudden pewter]

Can’t believe they axed D3 to continue parading this corpse around

[analog pewter]

i mean destiny 2 was forced by activision wasnt it? they just wanted to update destiny but the publisher wanted to have a game to slap a 2 on
did they really want to make a third one?

[sudden pewter]

Yes, it was going to have open world PvPvE elements

We only had a brief description and some concept art, but the Eliksni were embraced by the Traveler and could become guardians

[placid slate]

Shit fly as hell

[frozen vector]

what game is this? that looks so cool

[placid slate]

This is my magnum opus

Also shout out to the shower curtain cape for being a goated verity comm

[stoic garden]

my lips go through the mask, uninstalling

[sudden pewter]

Hunter
I should have known

[analog pewter]

this that one enemy from dark souls 2

[placid slate]

You will pry the manticore from my cold dead hands

[sudden pewter]

I should have smelled it on you. That disgusting hunter stinky stink. That smelly smell that smells….smelly….

[placid slate]

I also use blastweave titan

[sudden pewter]

Of course

[placid slate]

Your ass probably doesn't even know what they do

[chilly granite]

again, a lot of players who have a lot of hours and are feeding may well have health problems. Most days my health isn't bad enoguh to affect my performance in games, but some days it absolutely does and I do have appauling scores on those days

[chilly granite]

I do agree that it's sad when you lose because team is feeding, but at least for me, it feels worse when I'm the one feeding lol

[chilly granite]

in that regard I think focus on wins is a bad mistake, espeically since a lot of game modes have less than 50% win probaiblity (I mean, not any more, but formerly bankit and quick cash both, "debatably" cashout too)

if it was teamvteam rather than multi-team modes, then i think focusing so much on wins in profile etc would make more sense

I think in a game of tdm, every player is expected to go 18/18

and of 36 fights per player I think normal variance is probably within 10%, which would be +-4, so 14/22 and 22/14

those scores look really bad and really good but really arne't that drasticly different tbh

[muted condor]

Well well well…

[alpine sphinx]

daily reminder that M11 is for scumbags

[indigo nexus]

daily reminder to play with whatever you find the most fun!

[stoic garden]

daily reminder to play with whatever you find the most fun!

[chilly granite]

also if you're objective is farming xp for a gadget often then best strategy is to feed

which is another problem

[muted condor]

Daily reminder all esports supporters deserve nothing but bad things to happen to them and their families

[indigo nexus]

daily reminde

[chilly granite]

also dual blades are for sure good on tdm, the maps are very tight so it's pretty hard to kite them lol

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-marathon-game-mida-glitch-marathon-glitch-gif-12706256350570540242

[chilly granite]

and people don't acutally play as a team so it's hard to shoot dual blades in the back

farming people with dualblades in tdm is like farming lights with cb in tdm and coming to the conclusion that they're terrible players rather than the cb being excelent at deleting lights

[muted condor]

Real

Dual blades are great against people that don’t know how to fight them

[chilly granite]

and made even better by a very, very small map and poorr teamply

I have no real problem with dual blades under most situations unless I've made a major positioning error but in tdm it's really hard to keep good position vs dual blades

[alpine sphinx]

not when what you find fun absolutely ruins the game

[chilly granite]

it's way easier in point break/qc/cashout

I mean, it depends on map a lot

also lvl 100 is pretty easy to get if you jus sweat the battlepasses and don't actually play outside that

like the contracts and stuff, and like party play

for my first like, 200h, I played only solo and I leveled up sooo slow

[analog pewter]

Daily reminder that if you run winch claw you should uninstall

[alpine sphinx]

nice try but i main goo gun, and also if you die to winch as a dash user, its 100% a skill issue

[chilly granite]

not really, the winch claw hitbox is 1m wide

its' the other way around, if you ever miss winch it's 100% a skill issue

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437863525965365249/1463995452805349517/lion_monkey_think.gif

[chilly granite]

I just had an ass score on tdm, the enemy team was 3 repeaters and a bfr lmao

FUN

[unkempt moss]

Googun user with the correct take. Who would have guessed.

[alpine sphinx]

Yes and you can't even do a hammer light swing after winching the light before he can dash away💀💀

[chilly granite]

I mean, I don't think winch should let the user apply damage to the winchee under any circulstances

hammer not being able to is unfortunate antisynergy

but winch should be so your teammates can kill the light

I have to take nullifier on final round man, the steal is just way too fast

[slow linden]

Give heavy a huge ballistic shield weapon with bashing attacks

[chilly granite]

man it really sucks to play against cl40 with grapple

like I don't even feel like it's that strong, but goddamn is it pnishing

third seed and 4th place is -9, second is +820, how mcuh far ahead is no1 team?

[unkempt moss]

The weapon that loses to jumping and high ground is crushing you on grapple?

I know its rage bait and it worked on me, but damn it's low effort bait.

[chilly granite]

I took highground and somehow he found a way to get higherhighground

I made myself a goo castle in the sky

[unkempt moss]

I dont want this, but I wish every class had a blocking melee.

[chilly granite]

and I didn't say it was crushing me, I crushed him, but it's painful

I have to be really really perfect with my dodging

[unkempt moss]

No you dont. A heavy can mash jump and negate like 60% of the damage.

The gun loses to standing 3ft off the ground if on the same plane.

[chilly granite]

one failed dodge costs me more than half my hp

while the average of spamming jump may dodge 60% of the damage, averages don't really matter that mcuh when twoshots kills

the cl40 is significanlty better against light than heavy

[unkempt moss]

You're on grapple. There is 0 reason to be losing to any launcher.

Its legitimately a skill issue. The CL40 is complete ass.

[slow linden]

Give heavy dual dueling shields

[unkempt moss]

I know we're not supposed to touch spear because change is bad and spin is epic and skillful (its not).

Giving spear a shield that only covers half the body while standing would be awesome and be way more inline with the weapons real identity

[slow linden]

Could be dope

[unkempt moss]

And you could have your shield bash Block + M1

[slow linden]

Like a tower shield?

[unkempt moss]

In my head I envision more of a spartan circle shield.

[slow linden]

Also props on hitting green,when did I miss that

[unkempt moss]

Years ago. I'm upset about it

[slow linden]

Nahhh

You were oragne or red like just the other day

[unkempt moss]

It was a couple weeks ago. I can't remember when

Do you think spear having a lunge would be busted?

You could aim lock it to 10 degrees

[chilly granite]

I'm not used to being, pre-positioned for a fight

so the first couple fights, I wasn't in position and the cl40 owned me

and if you're not in position at point of contact, grapple feels awful against cl40

in tdm you spawn in and you position for the fight in front of you, it's more instant/reactive than predictive

[unkempt moss]

Run sonar

[chilly granite]

not suhc an issue on defense, more when I spawn in

I'm not sure where the enemy is comiong from in the first fight so i basically always die in the first fight lol

later on I'm better at predicting and have a better sense of the game, where cashouts are, when enemys are spawning

[unkempt moss]

Headphones up, throw sonar towards footsteps.

[chilly granite]

sound is bugged for me

like, a lot of the times guns don't even make firing sounds, I've contacted embark support

[unkempt moss]

Sonar will be your best friend. Nullifier and H+

[chilly granite]

I just hear a lot of the bullet hit/bullet miss sounds with the akm hahahaha

in cqb too, so it's not him too far

[slow linden]

I dunno

[chilly granite]

I was using sonar and I'm kinda ehehh about it

it's really good for alterting teammates who aren't in voice chat

and it's fairly good for bow via prefires

But it's hard for me to justify over other slots

[slow linden]

Could be cool,what about a spear throw that pulls you toward the target when you hit them?

[chilly granite]

this sis current loadout

it's pretty hard to justify replacing gate, goo or frag with sonar

I literally solo'd a team earlier with frag

[slow linden]

Replace frag with sonar

[chilly granite]

I premt your argument hahaha

[slow linden]

Goo good,sonar is literal free Intel and value

[unkempt moss]

Honestly that could be a good fix for winch. Land winch and it brings you to danger, pulls non player.

[slow linden]

Yea

[chilly granite]

bow headshot -> frag kill + pop their gas mine + frag damage on other two-> grapple in, bow to finish last two

[unkempt moss]

Or it tethers and gives movement speed buff.

[slow linden]

Nah,should just pull you to them

[unkempt moss]

I like that A LOT

[slow linden]

Could be cool if it worked on teammates so you could piggy back off their momentum and stuffs

[unkempt moss]

Winch a grappling light. Helll yeah

[slow linden]

Yea

[unkempt moss]

Wow. What a twist. Inadvertently fixing winch trying to buff the whack ass spear.

[slow linden]

Winch is probably one of the things holding spear back

[unkempt moss]

True.

[unkempt moss]

Sonar, Nullifier, H+. Utility is more valuable in cashout

Sonar fixes your initiation. Nullifier gets you out of jail free and wins cashouts all day.
H+ let's you use your randoms as meat shields while you heal

[compact tundra]

That kinda depends, when miced absolutely, but when solo queuing self reliance is actually really good, that's why C&S lewis actually works really well in cash out, it's self reliance that can also work with a team. Same reason my flame loadout works well for me. I can dive and almost always trade up if I don't position poorly

[unkempt moss]

He's on light. He shouldnt really be going for trades unless it's super high value

[chilly granite]

also I feel like you'renot understanding me, my intitation is fine without sonar when I know the enemy exists

sonar doesn't work if you don't throw it in the right direction

[compact tundra]

Well I take dive trades cause I'm flame heavy.
Obviously the bow light would be more of a general poke. Hed play closer to the lewis heavy than my flame

[chilly granite]

I replace gateway with H+ or null usually

[unkempt moss]

Sonar gets value in most situations. Not just initiation.

I think Sonar is crazy value for light.

[unkempt moss]

I just dont think hes winning those interactions because of the health and lack of defensive items

[chilly granite]

sonar is great value on bow because of prefires

[unkempt moss]

Information always wins games. It's like a competitive game law.

[chilly granite]

not if you're in the trenches and people can't aim

[unkempt moss]

You dont need to aim if you have free walls.

[chilly granite]

my teammates do

[compact tundra]

That's fair, but that kinda reminds me of another point. He's a bow light, so he always trades up or neutral. No matter who he kills it's at least an ok trade if he dies. And if he can frag the team and get a kill even better. As long as he isn't in a hard to grab scenario it's always a decent trade, kinda the benefit of being on light

[chilly granite]

i mean, we're aruging in cricles

the frag is needed to finish kills at distance where bow travel time is too inconsitent to finish, for cashout def, where the bow's dps is too low to kill a heavy

the gateway is needed for keeping myself alive so that we don't get teamwiped when we shouldn't and for fast rotations so I can do good steals

[unkempt moss]

I think trading is strong, for sure, but he doesnt understand cashout well enough yet to know what a good trade is. He just started playing it like a week ago in ranked.

[chilly granite]

I'm experimenting with googrenade

[unkempt moss]

There's times getting teamwiped is better than surviving.

You gotta know when to jump off the map.

[chilly granite]

Ik, it's not my first time playing cashout

i hit gold lsat season, I only played like 30 games but yeah

[unkempt moss]

Well if you hit gold then I concede

[chilly granite]

like, the simple fact is that I win more games with gateway/frag/flash than null/flash/sonar

null/flash/sonar was the first loadut I tried in ranked becasue ti was logically the best to me

[unkempt moss]

Okay

[chilly granite]

replace flash with goo

I don't like goo as much as flash becuase it loses some agresive potential but I find it's a much more reliable defensive tool, and it's kinda just beter than flash for steals

[inner remnant]

Like almost everything in this game its situational

[chilly granite]

h+ ends up being dead weight a lot, it's a lot easier to win in cashout at this rank as a bad heavy than as a bad light, so heavy players are extremely hit or miss

if my heavy player is playing well around objectives and positioning in such a way h+ would be useful, I'll swap to it

[unkempt moss]

So its easier to be a bad light the higher you go?

[chilly granite]

no, it's harder to be a bad heavy

if you're bad at light, you're gonna be like, 6000rs, but if you're a bad heavy, it's pretty easy to still be 15000rs

[unkempt moss]

I'm bad at light.

[chilly granite]

I'm an appauling heavy and passable light but it's pretty easy to let myself be carried as a heavy, it's alot harder to be a minimum quality teammate to gain rs

[unkempt moss]

Yeah I think you have that backwards.

[chilly granite]

I mnea, you've probably seen that with your own light teammates

I'm wrong for hml but this is the trenches, it's not hml here

hhl, llh,lll are all common

[unkempt moss]

I prefer HHH but thats just me

[chilly granite]

it's easier to win if you'r team has minimum 1 h

[unkempt moss]

Its easier to win if your team has 0 lights throwing your matches. Thats just the finals though.

[chilly granite]

etiher way, you understand my opint about the skill level of people who play only heavy in my games

[unkempt moss]

Not really.

[chilly granite]

everyone is hit or miss, but the other archtypes aren't asking me to bring a gadget just for them

[unkempt moss]

Youre saying its easier to play heavy in the only only elo range that light can actually crush teams.

[chilly granite]

you massively misunderstood me

[unkempt moss]

Its easier to be carried on heavy?

[chilly granite]

it is easier for a bad player, who mains heavy, to reach 18000rs, than a bad player, who mains light or medium

[unkempt moss]

I dont think thats true.

[chilly granite]

the level of skill represented by heavies in this bracket is more variable than the level of skill reperesented by medium or lights

this is mostly because meidum and lights outpopulate heavy, and just having a tanky guy with dome shield in your team can often be a deciding factor

[unkempt moss]

I think youre making judgments on a class you play poorly in a game mode you play even more poorly.

[chilly granite]

I'm making judgemtents on the quality of the teammates that Ihave had who have played heavy

[unkempt moss]

Its kinda like me telling you how to play light bow in TDM

[chilly granite]

I'm not telling them how to play heavy

I die sometimes, and when I do, I spectate my teammates. THe skill level displayed by the heavies is worse on a simple mechancical level, ignoring strategic decison making that I probably am not qualified to speak on

by a significant margin

like I've dumped an entire h+ on a heavy and he lost the 1v1

[unkempt moss]

Heavy is a mechanically harder class is most cases

[chilly granite]

I'm not talking about the mechanics that are more difficult, I'm again, talking about simple walking in a straight line, vaulting, pointing crosshair at people

I don't think you undrstand what the level of skill is here

[unkempt moss]

You're on the movement class. Of course it will look worse on the fat class.

[chilly granite]

vaulting is easier on heavy because heavy is taller, and they still fuck it up

I'm not talking advanced movement

[unkempt moss]

I would be interested to see how much that height matters. Because I don't think I've seen anything heavy can vault that light can't

[chilly granite]

I've seen a goo wall

[unkempt moss]

Light can't mantle a goowall?

[chilly granite]

it's a smaller difference than the height diff between h+m

[muted condor]

Heavy doesn’t have any vault advantage over light

[chilly granite]

it wasn't a goo wall on the floor, it was elevated

[chilly granite]

I'm gonna test brb

[unkempt moss]

Hm. Imma be real it sounds like you're talking out of your ass again

[chilly granite]

I was the heavy when I saw it, so maybe my friend was vaulting late

yeah my friend was being a bad lol

it is easier to vault on heavy because you don't need to look up for most vaults thoguh

[chilly granite]

but that's a different conversations

[unkempt moss]

I also dont think that is true but I'll just let you have it.

[chilly granite]

I'll test it's fine

[unkempt moss]

Im just letting you have it. No need for testing.

I usually just hold jump and it vaults on any class.

If anything vaulting is too easy since it throws off reloads.

[chilly granite]

vault is kinda buggy for me? it mgiht be because I use scrollto vualt and jump

it is working properly in the practice range right now, as you describe

but I have it fail vaults if I don't look at them a lot in actual games, depending on the map

[unkempt moss]

You use the scroll wheel to vault?

[chilly granite]

and jump

csgo habit I used ot play a lot of kz

[unkempt moss]

Yeah im out of here.

[chilly granite]

it's pretty normal in games with bunnyhopping

ok, so there is a look angle that a vault will accept relative to it's position

like sometimes I'm trying to vault when I'm on a roof and it won't, and it's cuz I'mlooking down to shoot enemies

but yeah, the quality of aim on heavies in my games is super variable, some are great and a lot are really,really unbelieveably bad

asking me to potentially waste a gadget slot on a teammate ofunknown value is a hard sell

if I'm playing withsomeone I know, absolutely I think h+ is great

[unkempt moss]

"My heavies have bad aim, but sometimes I cant even aim at a wall well enough to vault it."

Thats the summary of what you just said to me.

[chilly granite]

probaly my most consistent teamcomp for 1/2 is lll

that's a crazy way to interpret what I said about vaulting but ok

lliterally said the problem was that I was aiming at players which stoped vault form wokring rahter than aiming at wall, so i have habit of aim at wall to make it vault when I want to

anyway, the point is that commiting a gadget that also depends on teammates to have any use whatsoever is not good for solo queue, at least wiht my teammates

[unkempt moss]

Dear embark,

Please make vaulting easier for light. My heavies are bad at aiming and it makes my vaulting harder. The movement class doesn't have easy enough movement.

[chilly granite]

who here thinks that he isn't strawmannning?

[unkempt moss]

Their gargantuan height makes vaulting too easy unlike us super elite movement demons. We are so persecuted.

[chilly granite]

firstly I never said anything about it needing to be changed, if anything, heavy should have better vault height than light since they're twice the hpyiscal hegiht

[unkempt moss]

My dearest embark. Heavy is so easy to climb RS because they have bad aim but easy vaults. Do something immediately!

If you will not nerf the beef. Nerf the heavies movement speed and vaulting capability.

[chilly granite]

what is your issue?

[unkempt moss]

DEAREST EMBARK-SAMA!

I'm just ribbing you

[muted condor]

Dear Embark,
please buff bow again because I can’t hit my fucking shots

Jokes aside Embark can you remove defib?

[analog pewter]

increase the size of the head hitbox so every headshot-dependent weapon can feel better

[unkempt moss]

Dear Embark,
Please reduce the size of light. You see i am a leprechaun in real life and I would like to also be one in the game.

[muted condor]

Dear Embark,
Can you make the deagle hip fire not feel like pissing put a golfball sized kidney stone? You could nerf other aspects it’s just really not satisfying to use a weapon that has bullets leaving the barrel at a right angle

-Snale

[chilly granite]

I just almost lost because my teammate dunked for overtime

goo steal last second hahah

[muted condor]

That’s why we flay our team mates alive when they fuck up to make an example to the next ones

[chilly granite]

sorry it wasn't obviously a joke because it was so far from what i was trying to say

I was too confused to get the joke

[muted condor]

Sounded pretty accurate to me

[unkempt moss]

I do this on purpose to send a message. If I lose in overtime of my own choice then I dont deserve to win.

I want all three teams to challenge me at the end of a round. I dont want any of them leaving that match thinking they stood a chance.

[chilly granite]

NERF THE DAMN AXOLTYL HEAD

this medium on enemy team is playing cb axyltol head and I can't headshot him

[analog pewter]

i won a cashout game the other night because in round 2 we were in first i think and the other teams did double jeopardy so we had no risk of losing second place. the two teams with a chance of making it to the finals were an HML and a team of three lights. the lights had the cashout so I told my teammates to not shoot orange team and just let them take it. we were an HHL team and i swapped to minigun for final round and it was fucking awesome

thats where i clipped this

[unkempt moss]

This is why we start letter posting at your expense.

[chilly granite]

but anyway you do see why I don't bother with h+

[analog pewter]

just make the damn headshot hitbox bigger itll make the headshot weapons feel reliable 💀

[chilly granite]

its fine if I can see their head

[unkempt moss]

Pretty good mini movement fella.

[analog pewter]

use minigun in cashout right now the double jump event is op as fuck for it

[chilly granite]

if you want to run a giant head it should make your head as big as the cosmetic

[unkempt moss]

Oh is that what's going on? I was like damn this mf has moves on the mini

[analog pewter]

i do have moves on the mini but thats also why i was able to jump super high

[narrow solar]

with headshot(s) tho. It is muchhh easier to kill a light with ARN, though im not saying its super with lh1. Mind you, I main LH1

very easy to hit headshots on ARN compared to LH1, if the lh1 is better and is not used because its not as easy, why do all the rubies and pros run ARN over lh1? Also, two headshots for a kill on light, and a headshot and 2 shots on light.

[chilly granite]

some pros have been exprimenting with lh1

hs+2shots is shorter ttk than arn by a lot, I think it's about hte same as only hs on arn

[chilly granite]

but cosmetics obscuring head outline is really annoying in a competative game tbh

I for sure tookless hs when I wore dumpling head

[sudden pewter]

Pros don’t use over 2/3 the available arsenal. Just because they don’t use something doesn’t mean you should write it off

[chilly granite]

pros will always favour easy and consistent becasue stress makes everyone play worse, even pros

something that's 10% better but 25% less consistent is a bad choice if you have 100k prize on the line