💣┇weapons-gadgets

[finite agate]

are those the fucking lamenters

also im genuinely so bad at bow's travel time that playing sr84 is more consistent (shame)

[sudden pewter]

It be a Lamenter yes, my favorite Chapter

[finite agate]

black rage (suggesting spear as throw on right click)

[vocal flume]

My friend i know how turrets work, in telling you my turrets are crosseyed and unreliable but the enemies will insta lock and insta fire even at weird angels or view points. I even had one aim and shoot at me when me and a teammate were headed for the platform in powershift, i was a good 10 m behind him and it aimed at me instead

[sudden pewter]

Been seeing a lot of “mine bad theirs good” from you. I’m wondering if there’s anything to glean from that

[tight vale]

excuses

[tight vale]

switch builds

[sudden pewter]

Dash generally

[muted condor]

Ngl bro this just sounds like insane cope

Stuff doesn’t simply work differently for different people like that

[vocal flume]

It do be do like that

[finite agate]

me praying that your sentry turrets specifically are worse than mine 🧎‍➡️🙇 🕋 🕌 ☪️

[sudden pewter]

Allah bless this machine Ishallah (it automatically locks onto lights now)

[finite agate]

me with my sentry turrets so it always aims for audiiiiiiiiiii specifically

[analog pewter]

guy with a transphobic slur as his clan tag in tdm
cook him with sword like a good 6-1 teabagging every time
end the match top frag with 19 kills, he only has 5
justice .....

[finite agate]

now skewer him irl

[analog pewter]

also reported for offensive profile of course, hope that clan gets annihilated

[finite agate]

one day i will get to 19 frags on sword

in the mean time i will be glorified h infuser lackey

[analog pewter]

sword is fun

i wish lunge wasnt so gutted but
its still fun

[sudden pewter]

Lunge is fine

[finite agate]

daaaaaamn. i do have a question though - i notice most sword players who use super lunge don't extend it with a slide, how come?

the movement's clean too sheesh, lends credence to my theory that i struggle with light because my first instinct is to try and duel as opposed to bamboozle

[modest lynx]

Gimme 2m of extension on superdash hitbox and im chillin

[sudden pewter]

You should not be fighting with Light. You should be dealing damage, once someone’s focus is on you get out. (Unless they’re wounded and you’re certain you can win the duel)

[modest lynx]

This Is true asf just leave 60% of fights if your team can pick it up quickly

[sudden pewter]

Do not trust team unless you’re familiar with them

[modest lynx]

Obviously

[finite agate]

yeah i struggle with this a lot, it's probably why medium and heavy agree with me more. usually if someone gets the drop on me on medium, but they dont go for headshots, i end up winning the ttk fight

[blazing vector]

Idk dude. I think you’re just complaining to convince us that it’s not your fault you die to the worst spec of all time

[cinder night]

I mean use the dash if that’s the problem

I get plenty kills just fine

[worldly schooner]

why is it that lights seem to think kills are everything

[analog pewter]

fake news

[analog pewter]

see its a skeleton saying this bc he died before they gutted lunge so he doesn't know

[analog pewter]

i try to keep my feet on the ground so that I can lunge properly, and the only way to cancel a slide is to jump, or otherwise commit to and finish the slide, so either way it's a bit of a commitment I don't find much value in usually

I've been messing with it a little more tho

i wish sword lunge would work like, at least a little bit off the ground, so you dont get cucked out of it so easily

[finite agate]

give it an animation pack that's straight up m bison psycho crusher

[drifting forum]

the game got ruined when the light healing gadget was added imo

[stoic garden]

among other things (winch)

[drifting forum]

ya 100%, winch and light healing are ruining this game

its so dumb that there's a gadget that can heal quicker than 99% of guns can kill. how are devs so dummmmmm

and also something in the game that can auto-kill, has stun effect, and can manipulate a cashout

and the devs have taken a 10 month break cause they care more about the 1% of pros rather than 99% of players. its all just so frustrating. What happened to the game i loved :((((((((

[sudden pewter]

This is anti light sentiment so I’m forced to agree

[muted condor]

Mfs will really let the most minor shit ruin their fun

[analog pewter]

getting hit by stuff never rly ruins my fun but when stuff I'm doing should work and doesn't that's when I start seething, and it's been happening more and more often

projectile hitreg - particularly the goo gun - has kind of been making me mald

[noble saddle]

Idk games still pretty fun though

[noble saddle]

This 100% lol it's so much more tilting to do things that should work and just don't for whatever reason.

Sometimes when I miss a shot there's that little voice in the back of my head that wasnt sure if it was a server hit reg issue or if I just missed lol, and I'll never know.

[noble saddle]

I think it's not that big of a deal it just makes lights more important to try to assassinate early in a team fight. Also if a light player is healing his medium or heavy he's not back lining you so that's kind of comforting. You're safe from a flank!

[terse minnow]

I wonder what they are going to do with the thermal one

[blazing vector]

I in fact don’t actually see anyone use winch at all. Or at least not a lot. Sometimes I will. Maybe it’s cause I don’t play ranked but people call winch broken and then use charge n slam

[finite agate]

lh1 finally clicked

now if only i can do all this in a lobby full of people who actually strafe 🥴

[drifting forum]

Ya I still love the game. Some of their decisions are just bad decisions though 😔 and it makes me sad (and mad when I’m playing the game lol)

[drifting forum]

I see way more winch than anything on heavies, but ya I’m mostly WT

[blazing vector]

Hm

[eager wasp]

winch heavies are everywhere

there is basically nothing but winch heavies in every mode

[iron zenith]

fix spear spin please

[swift mauve]

fcar or akm?

[reef bough]

I have barley seen heavys as of late

It used to be all id fight, im assuming somthing was nerfed

[void ice]

Heavies are hard meta rn with how good winch and bfr are

[reef bough]

In ranked?

[eager wasp]

ranked, scrims, all the above

[reef bough]

I don't play ranked just quicky

[eager wasp]

it takes a decent amount of aim to use so i guess thats fair, but as long as you can hit shots, its entirely op

[reef bough]

Go spread that to them, can't play heavy for the life of me

[stone hull]

Please nerf grenade launcher! How does it make sense that a gun that requires limited skill, can wipe a team of mediums in 3 shots while practically on top of them, but the pike takes 4 hits for a single target and so much, forget light.

[jade laurel]

When they adding a heavy blunderbuss

[indigo nexus]

I think heavies are theoretically more viable in quick cash and power shift than they are in cashout… since in quick cash it’s not even so much about winning the fights as it is pulling off steals

I think light’s popularity is due to it being perceived as fun due to the faster movement by a lot of players

Several of my friends who main light, do so just because they enjoy it more from what I can tell. A couple feel like they can’t bear to play heavy because it’s “too slow”.

I guess it’s the movement shooter types

[void ice]

I mean it can two tap body light, don’t even need to hit head and it out ranges most weapons

[eager wasp]

aim as in you have to hit the bullets, not as in hit the head, gotta be able to flick

[hardy dust]

Not really

Less skill required than an automatic

[indigo nexus]

For BFR?

[hardy dust]

Yeah

[indigo nexus]

Having a slower firerate always increases the skill gap as far as I can tell.

[eager wasp]

its op don't get me wrong, but its not easier than an automatic

[hardy dust]

Tell me with a straight face its harder than lewis 😭

[eager wasp]

its harder than lewis

[hardy dust]

It really isnt

[indigo nexus]

Oh, it’s definitely harder than Lewis

Lewis gun is quite easy, it has a big mag with a high firerate and decently flexible range

[hardy dust]

Controlling lewis recoil is definitively harder than using bfr

Ig im thinking more of a skill ceiling than skill floor

[indigo nexus]

That’s just a muscle memory thing, but personally I don’t find it so.

[hardy dust]

Like bfr has a higher skill floor but lower skill ceil

[indigo nexus]

And I certainly don’t think having some recoil outweighs the huge discrepancy introduced by the BFR being a burst damage weapon

It makes positioning and movement way more important

[hardy dust]

Fair

But id say for the aiming portion bfr is easier at least

[indigo nexus]

Not sure about that myself.

burst damage weapons are also less reliable with weaker aim

(also inherently weaker, I should have said. This is due to the reduced significance placed upon the first shot with a lower accuracy, which has no associated time delay)

[stoic garden]

i struggle with most semi autos but with bfr it feels extremely easy to hit for some reason

[indigo nexus]

Must be the firerate

[stoic garden]

most likely

[swift mauve]

I thought and heard that akm is better than fcar but after looking at the TTK and spray patterns on the wiki, why should anyone play akm? I also heard that akm is good for beginners but isn't the fcar pattern especially easier?

[eager wasp]

akm has an easier to learn recoil, fcar has a decent jump after like the fourth bullet that messes a lot of people up

and more bullets so don't have to worry about hitting every bullet

[swift mauve]

Hmm I struggle with the akm pattern a lot I think the fcar is a easier but I'll try once I'm home

[swift mauve]

But fcar does more damage right since the bullets to kill for every class are 1-4 less than akm

[eager wasp]

well it is preference and different for everyone, but on paper, akm is easier and fcar is better but harder for beginners, yes the ttk for fcar is indeed faster

for example, the bfr convo earlier, bfr is not necessarily beginner friendly, but to some it may come easier than some of the autos in the game

[indigo nexus]

AKM has the better ttk in a general case unless you hit few to no headshots.
And the main advantage of a notably larger mag.

[forest sail]

The P90 is to strong

[blazing vector]

No

[sand monolith]

No

[indigo nexus]

No

[meager tapir]

No

[dusky field]

No

[stoic garden]

no

[swift agate]

No

[dawn turtle]

No

[finite agate]

nein

[dry path]

nie

[versed finch]

No

[graceful nova]

P90 can be pretty strong if you do headshots

Headshots can be easier at close range where this thing works well. Great for sustained fighting against heavies

[forest sail]

Is there an update today?

[muted condor]

Very peaceful here today

I think I will go look at #👂┇game-feedback

That was horrible

[runic axle]

self-harm 😬

[indigo nexus]

It only really has a notable TTK advantage over ARs if you barely hit headshots

[graceful nova]

It’s great as a backup weapon if you frequently run into CQB under 10m

But even then, if your aim is good then FCAR melts anyway

[loud mulch]

simple. let melee weapons parry each other, make the interplay between melee users more dynamic

[indigo nexus]

That is really, really far from simple...

but also potentially quite nasty, it would lead to melee users locking each other in very slow fights.

Doesn't mesh well with the existence of guns as a result

[proper vine]

the finals sekiro patch

[muted condor]

I would like melee to be more skill reliant and not so basic but that’s not simple at all and a bad idea

[sudden pewter]

Silly

[iron zenith]

buff ks

[muted condor]

Kill all defib users

[stoic garden]

KILL EVERYONE

[boreal laurel]

Especially the ones on my team

[muted condor]

Apparently since arc raiders had a good release embargo should be able to magically fix everything

That’s what I learned by going in there

[sudden pewter]

Well yeah

Embark keeps 100% of sales so they should take money from one team and put it towards bettering another

||Completely Clueless||

[blazing vector]

golly gee melee sure is swell

I hate db

[sudden pewter]

Dual Blades or Double Barrel

[blazing vector]

Double barrel

[sudden pewter]

Yesssssss, let the hate flow through you

Hold onto your anger, it will become your strength

[neon barn]

like
to use it or to get killed by?

[blazing vector]

get killed by

[neon barn]

understandable tbf

[tight vale]

if dual blades in blocking can reduce fire shouldn’t they melt

[dense oasis]

They're made out of tungsten

[tight vale]

TUNGSTEN BLADES?!?!?

aw hell no

[dense oasis]

Embark modelers and texture artists, hear me out

Bismuth Blades skin for dual blades

lol and a main gauche for the dagger. Call it "Oh Main Gauche!"

[wide heart]

Something needs to be done about the sword

Every single sword player going 20-2 in WT

[jaunty arrow]

Yeah sword invis - zero skill 20 bomb every goddamn game.

[hardy dust]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-4499391872221798131

[grim epoch]

any word on thermal vision

[finite agate]

new ember bender set got pants with REAL booty

the devs listen, thats what it's all about

none this balance nerf buff bullshit

embark is for the goontestants

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DCxPwOv3YzY

[weak oxide]

What weapon should I use today guys

[weak oxide]

As far as I've seen, none yet :(

[sudden pewter]

Correct, no news on Thermal. Likely no changes until next season

[proven musk]

sword is goated for new players because its so easy. you just swing it around and get kills

but you rely on the guy youre trying to kill not being able to aim

[sudden pewter]

Even after the nerf/rework Sword is very strong yes. Definitely thrives in lower brackets more than it does higher brackets though

[proven musk]

yeah

[cold briar]

Whats yall's opinion in the gateway gadget?

[cold briar]

Honestly yeah. Its really good, new and old. Personally using dash/flashbangs/invisibility helps alot to land a few free hits too.

[proven musk]

its really situational but you can do so many good plays with it

to me its a must have in my kit

[cold briar]

Pretty true. Its a pretty great multi-use gadget. Good replacement for the grappling hook incase you wanna use dash or invis personally.

Although I mainly use it for extra reach to rain down other gadgets on the platforms in that one gamemode or a getaway if I placed it beforehand.

[sudden pewter]

It’s really good! Meta even

[cold briar]

Lol, I hadn't even touched it once for an entire season. Simply because I sucked at using it

[sudden pewter]

At the Gateway? You just throw it twice

[cold briar]

Yes yes I knew how to use it, but i simply was bad at using it properly.

Or like, using it in my playstyle, sorry

[sudden pewter]

Like the Goo Gun, it requires more creativity than it does skill

[cold briar]

True. Goo gun is also very awesome

[sudden pewter]

After Winch gets reworked GooGun will likely receive similar treatment

[cold briar]

I see

[cold briar]

I kinda pray they add a new light weapon/gadget. Got max VR's and im waiting to spend them

[sudden pewter]

Light had the most weapons of any archetype so I understand them not receiving anything this season, hoping next season rather than getting new toys more focus is put on balancing what we have

[cold briar]

That is true very true. Medium hasn't received much far as im aware.

[sudden pewter]

All melee weapons beyond Sledge/Sword are in pretty poor spots, and a rework for all of them is high priority afaik.

[cold briar]

True

[sudden pewter]

I’d also like to see some gadget changes/reworks, which I’m more interested in than new weapons/gadgets (I know it isn’t a popular opinion)

Cloak has been a hot button topic for a while now for example, Light really only has two specs

[cold briar]

Eh anything is better than nothing, and besides a rework would probably be very helpful for players struggling against certain meta's

[cold briar]

Even more so that Thermal has been reworked this season im guessing

[sudden pewter]

Thermal isn’t getting changed until the Majors conclude

[cold briar]

Oh? I didnt know that

[sudden pewter]

So likely late/early next season

Embark has publicly stated not to expect any (meaningful) balance changes until the majors conclude as they don’t want to shake things up too much as it could affects the ESPORTS scene

I’m not interested in ESports so that’s sort of frustrating, but I understand where Embark is coming from

[cold briar]

Yep

Well hopefully Thermal comes back soon, been a pain since then.

[cold briar]

Anyways u have yourself a good night or day man. Im head to sleep lol

[sudden pewter]

Same tbf it’s 12:01am

[cold briar]

Ayeeee same time

[versed pecan]

where do i find out when the next e-sports is happening i cant find it anywhere?

[hardy dust]

More stuff might get posted in #esports-announcements

Major is nov 28-29 iirc

[versed pecan]

thank you it was hidden for me

[vocal flume]

esports scene when the game has bugs and issues, even server issues, game is not esports ready

[vocal flume]

why the fuck cant i escape the stupid fucking lockbolt with my dashes or grapple, that shits so fucking stupid

[crisp inlet]

No, the logical thing for them to do would be to make a separate build that the pros have access to and update the public build all the same. This is just pure laziness from their part

[hardy dust]

Because the movement restricting ability should restrict movement

[shell sonnet]

i think i just found something funny

[vocal flume]

it restricts movement but not gadgets, you can dash and grapple out, it makes no sense why it would hold you if you are able to have escape abilities

[shell sonnet]

im gonna try to do this with canisters to gateway nuke some poor sap

[indigo nexus]

Because that would make it trivially counterable? Why would you want that?

A gadget specifically there to counter reliance on movement countered by... movement options? What?

[modest lynx]

I dont understand why people are this lockbolt needs to be useless train today, I get why winch shouldn't be able that but thats literally lockbolts sole purpose

[turbid vault]

as a lockbolt main that might actually be the worst take ever, it's like saying can we make dome shields have a hole that is always in your direction that you can shoot through just fine.

[turbid vault]

lockbolt players when their 238e+19374 year cooldown ends and that shit misses because there was an air molecule in the way

[modest lynx]

Kinda real, I usually only get grabbed by it if im on Med but it happens so infrequently on light that when it does hit it feels earned and terrifying

[turbid vault]

you can just like... dash away before it actually does something in the good half a second of startup when it's on the ground???

[modest lynx]

I know, i only really get grabbed on Medium

[turbid vault]

honestly light mains just hate heavy can do things like moving or shooting

[modest lynx]

As a Light main lockbolt is more a sound que then an actual threat in most cases, im usually outta there before the full trigger.

[shell sonnet]

id much rather have 3 variations of lockbolt than winch tbh

[turbid vault]

what if we make lockbolt have a 2 minute long windup and have it blast an insanely loud alarm when you are within its range (lights will still say it's so hard to dodge)

[turbid vault]

a heavy with 3 lockbolts would be weak as shit compared to something like lockbolt dome shield and rpg

[modest lynx]

Too difficult for the average light, just make lockbolt into a foam ball launcher then they shall be satisfied

[turbid vault]

also make shooting it instakill your entire team and make all lights in the lobby immortal for the rest of the round

also make dome shield just implode and instakill you hiding under it after taking 1 damage

[modest lynx]

Dome shield just bricks the Users Pc

[shell sonnet]

but you can see where im getting at, right?

[turbid vault]

honestly the ammount of times there are 2 people shooting at me and i deploy a dome for it to just break after a LITERAL SPLIT SECOND is insane comparing this "must pick" to medium's must pick the instant revive of pure cancer

[modest lynx]

I genuinely be forgetting that a heavy is running dome cuz that thing disappears fast asf with a team shooting at it

I feel like dome is the worst of the Best

[turbid vault]

still good for 1v1s at least ig (just kidding if you do not pair it with a lockbolt they can just hide behind a wall until it breaks)

i might deadass just switch to running lockbolt rpg and pyro mines with how much times dome shield does fucking NOTHING

[modest lynx]

Lockbolt c4 I want to see more of my Sword lights experience this travesty, cuz its actually difficult to hit but funny af

[turbid vault]

i think the most diabolical silly but match throwing heavy loadout possible is pyro mines rpg and c4

[modest lynx]

HE BRINGS THE BOOM

Moving like your about to raid in Rust

[turbid vault]

i swear a person who mastered that loadout would literally make people uninstall

[modest lynx]

I had a homie who used to do that when C4 had 2 charges

[turbid vault]

WAIT YOU USED TO HAVE 2 C4S????

[modest lynx]

Yuh

[turbid vault]

crazy

[modest lynx]

They said you cannot have 5 big booms up at once, far too powerful

[turbid vault]

2 explosive mines, 2 pyro mines, 2 c4s, deployed in like 5 seconds.

also is charge n slam m60 dome shield lockbolt rpg tuff?

[modest lynx]

S1 Lights Remember

[turbid vault]

started playing in S2 so i do not have the experience (i hardly played for the first few seasons and left for 2 anyways)

[modest lynx]

It was terrible, I Miss it

[runic void]

get sword tf out of this game

[sand monolith]

Hi, don’t go close to a sword player

They can’t hit you then 👍

[runic void]

i get yourpoint but a lot of cashout are in builds that with dash i dont stand a chance of making distance

[sand monolith]

Then beat them in neutral and get vault control

[muted condor]

Caught an absolute wild one

[wide stratus]

If you think dome shield is useless, you need to get better at the game 🙂

[turbid vault]

i mean that was mostly a joke but without lockbolt they just walk behind a wall and just wait until dome breaks

[muted condor]

I’d say is pretty close to a S tier gadget

[tight vale]

just use dome,mesh and barricades 😃

[sand monolith]

This is pretty much all good

[wide stratus]

It really depends where you put your dome shield and what you use it for. I use it to push certain areas more than just cover itself.

[turbid vault]

also the fact that if there is more than 1 person that thing desintegrates in a picosecond

[fleet imp]

What makes it wild

[wide stratus]

Again, it's about placement. If you place it in the open then yea it's getting melted but if you hide it behind another obstacle then you get the most use out of it

[turbid vault]

fair either way you would be looked at like you are mentally insane if you had <2000 hours in the game and are running heavy with no dome shield

[sudden pewter]

You’ll catch him again in 6h

Posts the same shit every time he’s off cooldown

This one’s even more wild though

[tidal coral]

Bring back nukes!

[muted condor]

SA12 is closer to needing a nerf than a buff, no reason to nerf the 93R, who tf wants defibs Andy more prevalent than they are now, glitch traps are perfect as is and they were dog shit as mines, Kyoto isn’t the best map but is not that bad.

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[muted condor]

Honestly just seeing that you want the SA12 buffed makes all your opinions void

[restive plover]

Sa12 was 100% fine before they started fucking with it for being prevalent at high level, same with mesh shield. Both ought to go back to how they were.

[muted condor]

It’s still in the top three best heavy weapons lmao

[tight vale]

WE ALL AGREE flamethrower needs a SLIGHT BUFF in damage

[muted condor]

Eh

[restive plover]

Flamethrower does the damage it deserves to do.

[muted condor]

It has a lower skill cap but that’s because it’s made to be a easy weapon to use

[sudden pewter]

Glitch Mines 💀

[muted condor]

Unless they rework it the flamethrower should never be a top performer

[sudden pewter]

A melee Light types this ong

[tight vale]

nerf everything sensor related to the ground 🙏🏾

[muted condor]

Leave my prox sensors alone, no one needs to know they are the goat lol

[fleet imp]

SA12 has been getting micro nerfed for like 6 seasons in a row for no reason, 93R is the best light gun in the game right now, defib chaining is like free kills so I want it again lowkey, glitch trap makes melee unplayable, kyoto is abysmal game design (and lags like shit) and needs to be removed/reworked completely

[tight vale]

actually nerf sonar grenades that sound gives me ptsd

[fleet imp]

Truth nuke

[muted condor]

SA12 has been the in the top performing heavy weapons since launch

[fleet imp]

The BFR:

[muted condor]

It still beats the BFR

[dusky field]

Probably bc its the most balanced and fun weapon for comp players

[tight vale]

god tier loadout

[fleet imp]

That’s true I can just outrange the BFR as SA12

[muted condor]

SA12, Shak, and BFR are all about tied for the best weapon

[fleet imp]

We’re not in a ranged meta trust guys

[muted condor]

Bait or mental degradation, call it

[sudden pewter]

No Minigun? 🥺

[fleet imp]

Also BFR isn’t even bad at fighting SA12 at close range lol

[muted condor]

It’s the best weapon where it matters, my heart

[tight vale]

nerf dash

[dusky field]

We should lowk make more ranged weapons be good at close range ngl

[muted condor]

so you know nothing about the game, checks out

The only reason people think it’s bad is if they suck at aiming

[tight vale]

yea an elongated revolver “isnt even bad fighting a shotgun at close range “

what are we talkin about

[muted condor]

It’s definitely not bad at close range but the SA12 will destroy it 9/10 time

[fleet imp]

Winch claw exists you know

[tight vale]

if im caught off guard winch claw scares me

[muted condor]

Bro is winching SA12 heavies with the BFR 💀

[sudden pewter]

We know what you are

[muted condor]

Is the dude in copper?

[swift agate]

winch synergizes with sa far better than with bfr

which is really saying something bc it still synergizes really well with bfr

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shoo-away-gif-13653609800890535042

[muted condor]

This guy is ether baiting or a genuine copper player

[sudden pewter]

It’s a Light idk what you’d expect

[swift agate]

paper 6

[dusky field]

#buffwinch

[fleet imp]

#buffbfr

[dusky field]

Ong

[swift agate]

let's not be too hasty here

[fleet imp]

Type shit

[tight vale]

im in bronze so i just mostly play world tour which im gold 2

[fleet imp]

Also I play heavy I’m just in light chat because heavy chat is full of redditors

[swift agate]

world tour rank does not matter bc it's just playtime

[tight vale]

dont care

[sudden pewter]

#heavy-hangout is a lost cause tbf

[dusky field]

I mean the guy saying glitch trap is fine is a heavy main...

[fleet imp]

It’s true

[dusky field]

#buffreddit

[sudden pewter]

Glitch Trap is fine, turning it into a mine would kill it

[swift agate]

tbf, this isn't a common light main opinion either

[fleet imp]

Glitch mines were a fun and creative way to put glitch on a class that shouldn’t have glitch in the first place

[tight vale]

lights are definitely the downfall of the finals

[sudden pewter]

The game has to be balanced around Lights unfortunately

[swift agate]

well there's the copper coming out

[sand monolith]

You might be the most confidently wrong person I’ve ever seen

[muted condor]

My heavy and medium play times are pretty close to the same

I just don’t like medium players

[dusky field]

Tuff

[dusky field]

You would probably hate my ass i used to play Riot shield (its max lvl help pls)

[swift agate]

mmm riot shield

free dagger kill

[dusky field]

Sometimes

[muted condor]

I used to play riot back in season 1-2

I main dual blades on medium now

[tight vale]

tungsten blades u mesn

[dusky field]

Im sorry 💔

[fleet imp]

It all makes sense now

[swift agate]

always. if you ever fumble against a riot shield or dual blades on dagger, you have to be egregiously bad at the weapon. riot and blades weaknesses play directly into dagger's strengths so perfectly that it will nearly always be a free kill

even when you whiff against them, you can still easily stay out of their range

only exception is if you're running cloak dagger, which despite what tf2 may tell you, is probably dagger's worst spec

[muted condor]

I know, they suck so bad but god they are fun

[dusky field]

I used to play them until i realized Riot shield is 50 times better and more fun (for me)

[muted condor]

Riot shield is to inconsistent for me

Dual blades constantly stay at the same level of suck

[dusky field]

Dagger vs Riot shield is so weird either the dagger hits the shield and eats a swing or you get one shot lol

[dusky field]

Fair

[swift agate]

unless they're trying to butterknife you, the dagger will never hit the shield

that would require the dagger to be attacking your front side

and as bugged as riot shield's hitbox is, it isn't so terrible that it can block a backstab

[dusky field]

I aint full blocking a Dagger alright

[swift agate]

they're probably just missing the stab on you

[dusky field]

Probably

[indigo nexus]

Enemies are very inconsistent in whether they can figure out how to deal with it or not

[dusky field]

But i stopped playing Riot shield anyway so idc 🙃

[muted condor]

When being backed up by stats and every player past plat makes you confidently wrong 💀

[fleet imp]

What rank are you

[muted condor]

Probably somewhere in the 80s

[indigo nexus]

SA12 and BFR at point blank range is indeed no contest

It could be a contest with as little as a few meters between them, though, in the right circumstance

[fleet imp]

Wdym by 80s

[indigo nexus]

however, at close ranges it’s still tight enough that not only would the movement of the BFR player need to be insanely good, it would also need to actively account for ping

And it would be harder to pull off from the BFR player’s end due to the requirement for headshots, too

[muted condor]

Oh that rank, I think I’m gold 3 right now but I really only play WT recently

I don’t have a full stack so solo q in WT is more fun

[indigo nexus]

I’m pretty sure cream means ranked rank

WT rank isn’t indicative of skill level

[weak oxide]

Technically true, just proves you have time

[fleet imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182785257976631388/1323416458763698256/togif.gif

[tight vale]

💀💀

[indigo nexus]

less than one revive per match

[muted condor]

I am gold in ranked

But I don’t really play ranked so take it as you will

[indigo nexus]

what does “good” mean

[tight vale]

well take that up with my random teammates who die in obscured places

[muted condor]

Gold*

[indigo nexus]

Ah

[indigo nexus]

With random teammates, you’ve got to stick to them like glue if they aren’t very teamwork-minded

[tight vale]

oh i know thats why i statistically have less than one revive per match

[muted condor]

I’d play ranked more if I had a duo and could probably get plat if I really tried

I just play to many different games to grind ranked solo

[tight vale]

id rather get the emerald rewards than the ruby ones imo

[muted condor]

WT is more fun

[indigo nexus]

I prefer ranked as it has better matchmaking

[muted condor]

Being able to switch weapons lets you play with niche equipment and has game show events

[sudden pewter]

I dislike ESports but I’m loving the highlighted hair in some of the team bundles

The Black with gold streaks look sick af

[muted condor]

Not being able to switch weapons sucks if you play spear and dual blades like me

[indigo nexus]

I run spear in tournaments a lot, but it’s quite rare that an enemy team is able to effectively explicitly counter it

[muted condor]

It can be good but there are a few things that completely hard counter you so if they happen to have it you lose

[sand monolith]

It is no surprise a gold player thinks ttk charts are relevant to meta analysis

[muted condor]

As everyone knows ranked is the only mode in the game

[swift agate]

ttks are absolutely not the end-all-be-all, but to say they're not relevant at all is a pretty big stretch

[muted condor]

Stats aren’t everything but they are very relevant

What’s even more relevant is the top players agreeing that SA12 has been one of the best weapons in the game since launch

[sand monolith]

Ttk charts are barely relevant to overarching meta

[muted condor]

But it is no surprise someone that thinks rank matters doesn’t keep up with the game

[muted condor]

Continues to conveniently ignore that it’s one of the most used weapons in the top ranks

[sand monolith]

It’s almost like a strong cqc weapon is bound to be meta when the best spec on the same class is winch claw, and if you properly balanced winch claw then sa12 would be unusably bad

Because the most relevant factor for meta weapons has always been and will always be spec/gadget meta

[dusky field]

SA12 is one of the most used Heavy weapons bc it fits the role of Heavy perfectly.
Being a brawling class

[sand monolith]

Yes and no

It fits the class well, but it’s balanced around a spec. It fits the class well when the class uses that spec. If you took away winch claw, sa12 would not be used at all

Nerfing sa12 does not make sense at all

[dusky field]

May have over exaggerated ngl

[dusky field]

True...
We love Winch Claw or something

[swift agate]

completely untrue. this would make SA12 "unusuably bad" any time winch is on cooldown, which it isn't. it's still an absolute powerhouse close range without winch. in high ranks, winch is mostly used against 1. other heavies and 2. the cashout, and if SA relied in winch to be good, you really wouldn't want to waste winch on positioning the cashout

[sand monolith]

Do you play the game? If you miss a winch against a competent team you just lose lol

Your standards for what I’m saying are already met

Hence why in closed quals, you would watch teams actively avoid winching the cashout down into the open when there was a team nearby

[swift agate]

yeah, because winch is extremely powerful, not because SA isn't. missing winch is a death sentence mainly because the other heavy still has theirs and you're going to be their main target, not because your weapon is useless without it

[sand monolith]

This has been the way the game is played for 5 seasons lol

[finite agate]

Anyone have any tips on playing light with cqc weapons? I tend to be able to make the "do damage, get out, don't risk being seen by more than one enemy" playstyle with longer/mid range weapons like the lh1, arn, and 93r. Cqc's hell of a lot more hit or miss.

[sand monolith]

Dude LOL

Goalpost mover 9000. Sa12 is bad without winch claw because heavy is the slowest class in the game and has no good alternative gap closer

[swift agate]

oh, I see where we went wrong

[muted condor]

Bro has never seen mesh SA12 heavies lol

[sand monolith]

LMAO

Ok I think I’m being baited

[muted condor]

Obviously this guy is dead set on being wrong so if you won’t believe me just ask Skul next time he’s around

[sand monolith]

LMGFAOOOO

Dude I will gladly ask my good friend skul what he thinks about nerfing sa12

[muted condor]

I never said to nerf it lol

[sand monolith]

Sorry, I will ask him what he thinks about the viability of mesh sa12, what I was just talking to him about and he described as one of the worst loadouts in the game

[muted condor]

💀

[sand monolith]

I will let you know how he responds!

[muted condor]

Ok I have been baited

[sand monolith]

Forwarding this to him actually

[muted condor]

Good job I thought you were dead ass

[sand monolith]

God I really do wonder what he thinks

[stoic garden]

🤔 i think mesh should be nerfed to 500 hp

[sand monolith]

Truth nuke

[muted condor]

Mesh is shit because winch exists but you’re saying SA12 would be shit without winch so which is it?

[sand monolith]

Those are completely unrelated LOL

[muted condor]

You’re the one who brought up winch lmao

[brazen mango]

SA would still be meta in Mesh meta, even more than it is rn because of how mesh works, however in the current game balance mesh IS kinda shit

[muted condor]

Let gooooo

[sand monolith]

If winch was removed we would likely use mesh shak

[muted condor]

That’s what I was saying

[brazen mango]

SA is stronger than any other gun in mesh meta by far, but mesh SA currently is lowkey highkey dogpiss due to the counters it has outside winch

[stoic garden]

NERF GLITCH NADE!!!!!!!!!!

[brazen mango]

Mesh meta would move SA skill requirement from .5% heavies to .1% heavies tho

[muted condor]

Winch is truly the root of all evil

[sand monolith]

You’re missing the point of what he’s saying I think. Mesh meta wouldn’t be current mesh. You’re saying sa12 is good with current mesh

You cannot use current mesh because it is terrible

[muted condor]

That’s true because winch exists

[swift agate]

you think that what makes a weapon good is its ability to get kills easiest. no shit you think SA is bad. no, what makes the SA good isn't its raw kill potential, its the ability to control map space (which is heavy's main job in general).

you're carving out a sort of bubble for your team to play in where any enemy that makes the mistake of stepping inside is more or less fucked. the power that comes with that is forcing the enemy to respect that space, not by outright killing them. winch synergizes extremely well by widening that bubble of influence, but it still very much exists when on cooldown.

it's about crowd control. every (ranged) weapon does this to an extent, because controlling space is the ultimate goal of any fps game, but SA is an outlier because despite having a smaller range of influence, the influence it holds within that range is unmatched. it is the best at making you the anchor point of the team

[brazen mango]

Mesh needs 3 things to become meta

[stoic garden]

i dont think mesh can be that great with poke meta even if winch died, probably

[brazen mango]

Glitch Nade Nerf
Juggle penalty reduction
Winch blocked by shields

(Honorable mention: small Spread BUFF to SA)

[sand monolith]

Stopped reading cause your initial point isn’t true 👍

[stoic garden]

exactly 🔥

[sand monolith]

Yes. You couldn’t have an sa12 + mesh meta ever with current mesh

[brazen mango]

With current mesh and glitches realistically yes but big no aswell

[swift agate]

I don't speak in cope, can you say that again in english

[stoic garden]

embark boutta change glitch nade charges to 3 because they felt lights need more utility to be viable

[brazen mango]

If winch is shit enough mesh would be meta, we scrimmed mesh start of season when winch was bugged, but Heavy is genuine dogshit zero impact w current mesh

[sand monolith]

If somehow current mesh was somehow meta it would be either with bfr or shak because of how bad 750hp + close damage is at closing gaps

[swift agate]

this mf gave me the israel react

that's some disrespect right there

[brazen mango]

Untrue tbf

[dusky field]

Im not locked on SA12 lore mb

[muted condor]

Winch and mesh aside SA12 doesn’t really need a buff simply because BFR exists. That a shit way to balance

[brazen mango]

Which is good

[brazen mango]

SA is good when you are q top 1% Heavy and perfectly consistently hit your full pumps and melee combos, otherwise bad players (the other 99%) are better off using shak

[swift agate]

yeah, SA12 is used mainly in high ranks because what makes it good also requires your team to take advantage of it, which requires coordination. having an anchor point and taking space very well is only valuable if your team chooses to play around it. outside of that, you don't see it much because your randoms are not going to pay attention

[dusky field]

You just described me tf (the other 99%)

[muted condor]

I feel like SA is actually in a good spot now. It takes a decent amount of skill to get full usage but isn’t game breaking. Buffing it would just be wild

[brazen mango]

Mathematically going off of steam player count (because roller heavy sucks anyway) there is maybe 60-80 HEAVIES IN THE GAME THAT GET ENOUGH VALUE OUT OF SA TO WARRANT IT OVER SHAK

[brazen mango]

Its also incredibly deep mechanically and requires good aim

[stoic garden]

riveting finals experience

[brazen mango]

It is, because global SA meta (50%) sucks and is unfun

SA needs a small spread buff to not fall into near unusability in a mesh meta

[muted condor]

That’s why we should buff mini gun, please embark make my boy meta

[swift agate]

I don't think SA needs any changes. it's unfortunately just one of those weapons that would ruin the competitive landscape with a 1000 year reign of domination if it's buffed for the sake of making it good in regular casual games, but it would completely die off and nobody would use it if it was nerfed for the sake of toning it down competetively

[brazen mango]

SA would fall off without winch

Not enough to not be viable in comp, but it wouldnt feel fun or good to use in comp in a mesh meta

[sand monolith]

Makes you think

[swift agate]

like I said, it's not completely useless without winch like mr 5v5 is trying to claim, but I absolutely agree it would be affected. nerfing winch is probably the most healthy thing for the weapon

[sand monolith]

It would be unplayably bad vs bfr if winch claw didn’t exist

[swift agate]

vs bfr I agree

but that's a bfr problem

[sand monolith]

Well yeah that’s the only weapon you would see if there was no winch

[finite agate]

LMFAO WHY THE ISRAEL RACT

[sand monolith]

I’m not saying it’s not a bfr problem, I’m just talking about how sa12 would perform in the current state of the game without winch

[sand monolith]

Hey it worked didn’t it

[finite agate]

YOU WRONG FOR THAT THATS SO FUCKING FUNNY

FREE 🇵🇸

[sand monolith]

FREE 🇵🇸

[finite agate]

im fr stealing that, real mashallah activities

[swift agate]

if that's your point, than I don't think SA12 is exactly an outlier here and I don't see why you wanted to talk about it specifically then. like you said, every weapon would suffer from winch being removed and BFR would be more or less the only viable option

[finite agate]

wat

[swift agate]

it didn't, you just also stopped engaging with my point at the same time

[finite agate]

shak would still be good winchless no?

[sand monolith]

I brought up sa12 because the other guy said it’s borderline worth nerfing. Which isn’t true, I was explaining that sa12 is only dominant because of winch. Without winch it would be shit and would arguably need a small buff unless devs wanted to keep heavy weapons balanced around a diff spec like mesh

[finite agate]

i dont have a stake in this outside of they need to buff ks23

[sand monolith]

True

[swift agate]

again, I agree it wouldn't be dominant anymore, but I highly doubt it would fall as far as you're trying to say. it's just not a bad weapon by any stretch of the imagination. it would suffer from the current poke meta absolutely, but it wouldn't be no cerberus or dagger

[sand monolith]

It would be unusable in the resulting meta but it would not be unusable if that resulting meta was fixed

[muted condor]

I never said that

[sudden pewter]

Shak fucks regardless of spec

[sand monolith]

.

[finite agate]

i thought so too, i was confused at the dude mentioning bfr waould be the only viable thing

[muted condor]

I said it’s closer to needing a nerf than needing a buff

[sand monolith]

Same thing, still a wrong take and still invokes the same response

[sudden pewter]

We’ve got some silly sausages today

[muted condor]

Thanks for proving me right

[finite agate]

literally the only thing stopping me from playing shak a lot is not wanting to press r every 3 seconds

[sand monolith]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[muted condor]

It’s not the same tho

I never said to nerf it you’re putting words in my mouth

[sand monolith]

Ok now read the rest of the message I linked

[swift agate]

I said it would suffer from the poke meta, not be unusable. these are very different things

[sudden pewter]

Shak giveth (insane damage)
Shak taketh away (small mag)

[brazen mango]

Not entirely

[finite agate]

shak feels like a fucking light weapon is2g

[sudden pewter]

Take that back

[brazen mango]

SA would be best in slot in a mesh meta, but it would also be even more absurdly hard to use than it is rn, exclusively the best comp pick

[sand monolith]

Map dependent at best but it would not be worth using over shak or bfr at all if the game stayed exactly the same but winch was gone

[finite agate]

you know it's true

[brazen mango]

Because both shak and BFR would fall off in a mesh meta in a sense that their ammo capacity sucks

[sand monolith]

I’m not saying in a mesh meta I’m saying if winch was just removed

[muted condor]

Bro keeps swapping between context and it’s pissing me off low key

[brazen mango]

Ammo capacity and mag damage

[sand monolith]

Sure but it’s not a great trade for the terrible range

[brazen mango]

Well that WOULD put us in a mesh meta even though mesh is shit

[swift agate]

that is absolutely not the same thing as being useless

[brazen mango]

Idk SA would be absolutely bad in a mesh meta, but so would heavy in general

[sand monolith]

Maybe but current mesh couldn’t close gaps for SA at all

I think you would need the range because of the low hp and damage on close. SA would be incredibly easy to space out

[brazen mango]

Oh yeah for sure, thats why it would only be a comp pick

[muted condor]

What if we just removed specs XD

[finite agate]

no specs, only lights. the lightnals ❤️

[sand monolith]

Yes but only one of them and it starts with a W

[finite agate]

Wdash

[swift agate]

light would die without specs what do you mean

[finite agate]

game becomes low ttk hell with only 150 hp and no escaping

[swift agate]

light's specializations are their only form of survivability, without them they just fall over

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138130467057565747/1171054511222173746/caption-3.gif

[finite agate]

everyone falls over, no more builds, only lights

[sand monolith]

Light doesn’t win almost any ttk trades though

[swift agate]

not true, mediums and heavies can absolutely hold their ground without specs, light cannot

[sand monolith]

I think the only time it does is with DB

[sudden pewter]

CoD gamers would finally be happy

And all the idiots that think Lights mobility shouldn’t have any counters

[finite agate]

LMFAO real, "why fps have melee" is still the most yee yee ass trend in #👂┇game-feedback

[swift agate]

the counter is aiming btw

[finite agate]

the lion cannot aim, the lion has astigmatism

[sudden pewter]

I had/have that but I still clap cheeks
(Most of the time)

[finite agate]

it's for the meme, my vision up close is fine but shit is not great at distance

[sudden pewter]

Light ass take.

[swift agate]

I've been playing quite a lot of medium lately and it has 100% reinforced my belief that light haters are just skill issued. the only time I have trouble with them is when they're very obviously better than me at the game

[sudden pewter]

There is NO REASON I shouldn’t be able to mobility my way out of mobility hampering abilities/utilities

[muted condor]

Now that we are friends again let’s buff mini gun

[sudden pewter]

Minigun would be OP if it was buffed in any way I stand by this

I’m sure there’s some wiggle room but it’s my heartfelt belief that it’s reliance on team support is the only thing keeping it in check

[finite agate]

i mean, you can hate/be annoyed by light without asking them to be nerfed. at that point it's less skill issue and more just an acknowledgement that lights are meant to be annoying

[stoic garden]

we need a 5% accuracy increase

[finite agate]

minigun quick melee being you just whack someone over the head with it with the steel pipe audio

[muted condor]

I fail to see the problem

Mini gun sweep 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[sudden pewter]

I don’t think accuracy would be too problematic

[stoic garden]

i would not mind a minigun meta...

[swift agate]

if you want to argue that the vast majority light haters don't want the class nerfed, I think you're lying

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/thefinals-minigun-season-6-the-finals-coined-gif-9581155447877553437

[sudden pewter]

But something like the rev time would be insane to touch in either direction

[finite agate]

i wasn't lol, i was more explaining my own personal take. i hate light. i know it's not as easy as it looks, i'm trying to learn the class. i still get annoyed vsing them over any other build

mosquitoes are annoying idk what to tell you lmao

[sand monolith]

Light specs are poorly designed because the outcome of every interaction is almost entirely dependent on the person playing against them. This leads to light being incredibly obnoxious to play against

And also incredibly obnoxious to play as

[swift agate]

my day be so fine
then boom
player who is competent at placing their crosshair on a target

[finite agate]

there's also the whole thing of people in general have bad aim even if they think they don't so light's mobility exacerbates that annoyance

my ass is bronze on voltaic

ofc there's ways to make up for bad aim (glitch trap LUL)

[sand monolith]

Yeah light specs just break almost every convention of movement or stealth design and you can tell

[finite agate]

i still enjoy it on some level but it def feels like playing an entirely different game compared to medium and heavy

[brazen mango]

🤑

[edgy estuary]

A lot of people are just angry kids or sometimes kidults who can’t accept losing a 1v1 could possible be their skill issue or positioning.

[finite agate]

i think anyone who advocates for one class a lot over the others should get a "dead by daylight player" role

[swift agate]

DbD and its consequences on game discourse

[muted condor]

One day

I believe in myself

[finite agate]

it's tru tho, theres nothing different between a heavy/med/light main bitching about the other classes and always thinking they're underpowered

it's "survivors are op/killers are op pls nerf"

[muted condor]

I hate mediums

Not because they are over powered but simply because they have defib. I HATE DEFIB!

[sudden pewter]

I struggle to remain on target with semi-auto weapons like the SA/BFR/KS, as a coach do you have any suggestions/tips for improving mechanical aim? Specifically remaining on target between bursts/shots fired.

(Started aim training with Kovaaks The Finals playlist a month or so ago)

[brazen mango]

Narrow Strafes is the only aim training scenario I ever really did personally

With SA specifically just pace your shots

You want to pace your shots, you wont ever fight someone good enough to force you to fire it at (near) max rpm

[sudden pewter]

There’s definitely some fat I need to trim in regards to my aim scenario regime, my biggest failing (from reviewing my footage) is readjusting after I’ve pulled the trigger

[brazen mango]

Oh yeah speaking of Coaching, my military leave has been approved for stockholm so I will be there coaching for Fnatic

[muted condor]

I get killed because I second guess what I’m doing half way through and fuck up

[brazen mango]

Until then ts is my life for the next 3 weeks (sergeant training)

[sudden pewter]

Congrats & Good Luck(?)

[brazen mango]

Boys been going strong without me while im gone, def looking forward to seeing them in person in stockholm tho

[muted condor]

Nice grippers

8/10

[sudden pewter]

Socks & Slip Ons
He’s Unc 😔

[cerulean sphinx]

hell yeah bro, good luck coaching !

[sudden pewter]

I need to use Frags on Heavy more

[analog pewter]

Reduce bloom while jumping so you can use slide hops even better

In general I think aerial bloom in this game should be reduced but especially for weapons that already are imprecise while on foot. If they're gonna bloom anyways at least let the users juke a bit

[stoic garden]

embark said something about balancing minigun to be more movement restrictive in a s6 patch note, which i find kinda stupid lol, what kinda buffs would they give it to offset not being able to move even more than now 😪

[analog pewter]

Slide hops to me are just an extension of jump revving as heavy in tf2 who doesn't have air bloom at all and is still very immobile

[stoic garden]

i like minigun how it is but it kinda gets fucked over by winch and requiring more teamplay

[analog pewter]

Yeah

[stoic garden]

i think we probably waiting on winch's death before they change it at all

[sudden pewter]

Bloom for Flamethrower + CL-40
(specifically when jumping like jackrabbits)

[sudden pewter]

If Miniguns already restrictive movement gets even worse it’ll kill the gun. It’ll need to essentially instakill to see any usage if it’s nerfed

[vapid sky]

nice socks twin

[sand monolith]

I’m tryna slobber on your feet until they prune

[swift mauve]

okay well so heres the follow up question a beginner-ish in finals, have decent playtime and am playing a lot rn and am dedicated to learn and play with my gf
so like i already have some fps experience but the akm spray is hella hard for me to control idk why especially at long distances
do you think i should just jump to the fcar and start getting used to that so i learn it earlier? i mean the start of the pattern is insane i hit long dist shots easily

[sudden pewter]

AKM isn’t ideal for range, if nothing else just tap firing would probably be better than spraying full auto at ranges it isn’t intended for

[swift mauve]

yeah im not completely spraying with either one

but do you think i should just switch to fcar like now

[sudden pewter]

I prefer the FCAR to the AKM personally, probably would be better long term but know it has a smaller mag and will be more punishing if you miss shots

[swift mauve]

hmm do pros use the akm too?

or could you also see high level players maining the akm

[sudden pewter]

Pros use the FAMAS, and I wouldn’t worry about what pros do/do not use if you’re learning the game

Generally AKM is avoided in favor of the FCAR (when the Famas isn’t in use) though. Although as of late the Repeater has been seeing a higher pick rate in pro play

[swift mauve]

i see i see

famas is awful tho imo i cant play it so i think ill try fcar ig?

[sudden pewter]

Famas is very consistent and quite strong. If it isn’t your cup of tea though that’s totally fine, I’d try the FCAR and see if you prefer it over the AKM

[swift mauve]

👍

[finite agate]

yeah famas more or less needs headshots and getting used to burst guns. i hated it until i put the time into it, now it's my most reliable medium pick lol

[tight vale]

bro i loved fcar when the game came out but my flame with it died out as i started to main heavy

[swift mauve]

yeh guess i just hate burst

the akm feels just so good close dist its a hard choice
but im trying fcar rn cuz it has a higher skill ceiling ig and the spray for long dist is fricking insanely easy

[tight vale]

u got any reload animations for the fcar if so yea then its gonna be ur fav weapon

[finite agate]

fcar fuckin rips, once i got used to both that and the famas ive never used the akm again

doubly so now that p90 is a thing. if i want something easy to control i use that instead

[restive plover]

Akm bros stay losing since forever.

[stoic garden]

akm never deserved the mag size nerf ✊🏿

[snow vapor]

[indigo nexus]

I don’t think it would be good for it to have 36 shots now

P90 would have even less on it, and it’s not worse than other ARs by a significant margin

[calm jetty]

Why do you say that? I feel that giving it the 4 rounds back would be a small buff to make it a little more inline with the other auto rifles. I've had quite a few instances where those 4 rounds would have made a difference

[indigo nexus]

I think it would overshadow the P90 and may be too much of a buff.

if we wanted to buff it, though... hmm. Tricky one

maybe a slight firerate increase?

[stoic garden]

idgaf p90 shoulda never been in 😢

[lethal wraith]

be careful im coming !

[calm jetty]

Idk if it would hurt the p90. i feel like buffing its fire rate would do that more. Too much impact on TTK. I don't think it exactly needs that. The AKM should be the stable safer option. 36 magazine is more inline with that image than increased firerate

[indigo nexus]

Right now the P90's main advantage over the AKM is its mag, not its ttk (they're very close)

we could swap them around, but we would need a p90 buff alongside this

also, I am concerned that this may make the AKM generally too strong for medium as a whole

[calm jetty]

I mean all the autos for medium have very similar TTKs. They're all within .1 of each other

Idk what is actually the best buff for the AKM. Right now I think giving it 4 rounds back is the least invasive things that can be done.

I could agree that if the AKM gets a little buff so could the p90 to keep it relevant. Give it a few extra bullets too. Or extend its damage falloff by 1 meter

[finite agate]

how using the bfr against a sword light feels

[sudden pewter]

Me when my opponent engages me outside my effective range

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279530543368769618/1395534814123397140/IMG_9626.gif

[hidden tusk]

Hmm

[restive plover]

Heavy should have a long sword

[analog pewter]

A zweihander as a skin for the spear and a guts sword as a skin for the sledge

[lunar hare]

https://tenor.com/view/war-dogs-war-dogs-movie-stressed-facepalm-every-single-time-gif-16923977

[coral root]

I feel like heavy should have a spec that involves explosives

[blazing vector]

That’d be sick

[cinder jetty]

goo gun

[vocal flume]

make the cb-01 a projectile after 40m, lower its rate of fire as well

[neat narwhal]

Yo why the fuck does the model have the only reload in the game that doesn't allow you to shoot the fucking gun

no serioously it's actually cringe. I can't shoot though i have fucking butllets in the gmag

[long nymph]

I have this problem too, I would use the gun if not for this

I think it's actually a bug

[vocal flume]

the bow should deal max damage ONLY when its drawn back, not just tap and fire bs,
increase the sniper rifles fire rate, shit shoots slower than the bow, cb o1 and the bfr titan,

[copper hazel]

Bow already works like that and was working like that since release???

[eager wasp]

increasing snipers fire rate, its usability as a shotgun skyrockets even more

[placid slate]

That's literally how the bow already fucking works

[indigo nexus]

...

[spring escarp]

I have no idea if this is the right chat for this but I really want to see a coolaid man skin so I can watch a heavy break through the wall no doubt screaming “OH YEAHHH”

[tight vale]

like it doesn’t say weapons and gadgets at top of ur screen ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾

[sweet valve]

Way back when everyone was complaining about RPG and asking for a nerf, I suggested that it be switched to a specialization instead.

Lower the self-damage and add a rocket jump mechanic.

[random magnet]

Would be cool if they add the FN-2000 to the game
I feel like that gun Is cool n unique enough for the type of weapons they be adding to the Finals.

[analog pewter]

i want the XM-25, an air-burst grenade launcher with manually set distance could be super interesting

would love to see how they balance that as a primary weapon too

[inner pivot]

Where else would it go. Maybe #⚡┇the-finals-chat but idk they're missing some channels

[inner pivot]

I really like the idea btw, but idk if theyd ever do that

It'd be cool though

[stoic hatch]

it would be cool if heavy and medium had a designated sniper like light does, heavy could have a really slow single shot sniper but as a gadget like the rpg and medium could have something like a awp and heavy could have a intervention or a bfg 50

[violet solar]

is it just me or is the p90 feel a little to forgiving or am i just crazy

[sudden pewter]

I'd love an official Invisible Akimbo skin, lemme finger gun people

[blazing vector]

It’s the same as the akm except for magazine size so yea it’s much more forgiving

[violet solar]

yeah i feel like at close range it melts but most guns do game has a pretty fast ttk but with 50 bullets i can just hipfire spay lights from across the room and still do fine

kinda makes me wonder why bullets were removed from the ak

but i guess the ak has alot more range so i guess it balances out

[blazing vector]

Tbh I think it makes sense for the p90 to be more forgiving just due to the fact you’d have to play like 10 matches to get enough to buy it and that’s like around 3 hours of grinding

[violet solar]

yeah but for people who has played for a while thats nothing im sitting of 5000/5000 currency with absolutly nothing to buy

[blazing vector]

I have no new weapons to buy. Only sights for now. Hopefully they add new weapons sooner or maybe even dynamic weapon modifications besides sights

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856603795738722307/1425920121473470554/togif.gif

[blazing vector]

did i do smth?

[latent cobalt]

Quick question, for leveling up weapons, is it damage or kills done that grants exp?

[violet solar]

fr feel like were in trouble

[violet solar]

i have no clue might wanna try asking in the wiki

[sudden pewter]

Both

[sudden pewter]

Weapon mods beyond sights are a no no. I’ve already called the thought police and they’re enroute

You’ll be banished to #👂┇game-feedback with the rest of the idiots for your transgressions

May your death be swift

[blazing vector]

im sorry.

[latent cobalt]

Mainly asking since leveling up CL-40 has been a bit slow but might be a skill issue on my part

[sudden pewter]

Play TDM if you’re looking to grind weapon XP

[latent cobalt]

Thank you!

[tall zephyr]

buff akm please, also need cool skins, thanks.

[olive forum]

Has anyone mentioned making thermal vision into a thermal drone?? It could be great for getting info but at the cost of one light player sitting still and not able to engage in combat. The deploy and ending animation could be long to offset ambush capabilities. This imo would be a great addition to the game and make thermal vision balanced

[vocal flume]

Just make it so you are invisible to turrets, mines, lockbolt etc. its just cold blood perk from cod. 👍

[olive forum]

What? That doesn’t make any sense invis already does that

[blazing vector]

Just make that a specialization atp

[jagged ingot]

This is a cool idea, but it would hinder movement so much that I don't think it would ever get much use.

[oblique crypt]

They should give tracking dart crits so I can do 10 damage instead of 5

[echo arch]

I think a Katamari type gadget that picks up an moves chunks of debris would be cool

After a building falls apart things can get really cluttered so it would be nice to do something with the mess

[blazing vector]

That’s the new heavy specialization. A gravity gun that grabs chunks and makes them into balls to launch

[finite agate]

for all the bitching that happens in #👂┇game-feedback, how often do the devs actually listen to the terminally egotistical and uninformed?

[clear hamlet]

when is the thermal vision gonna be out of rework is what i wanna know

[tiny notch]

they said a couple seasons so maybe s10

[sudden pewter]

No meaningful balance updates will be happening until the Majors conclude unfortunately, so at the earliest next season.

[pale quail]

Ikr some people 🥀

[thorn talon]

CL-40 was so slept on before nerf, never seen anyone but myself using it. Then it got nerfed when it became popular. Now I play MGL.

[stark dirge]

just depends how you look at it, ive also got some opinions but i find some people just plain nonobjective and defending there beloved weapon, specialization or gadget while its already broken from the moment the person at embark came with the idea because they are completely at odds with the rule of the game

[indigo nexus]

we don't really know the rules of the game further than when they have been explicitly stated by the devs, that kind of thing gets subjective very quickly

[stark dirge]

this is a indirect competitive game for the most part, but when devs are adding features that are directly, the game changes

[humble cliff]

https://youtu.be/j90nZ1-K-zQ?si=hbwsPmVnuXFnexiw

Can we add whizzbanger plz

[wheat jetty]

The only spear in anny game and we dont have the abillety to trow it at our combatants ..forget bullets or bows fore a wile but in the real world someone trows a spear at you you get impaled and the damage is severe ..only thing has to get somewhat close ..but something fore the developers to think about

And the little shotgun that the hawy is using ..well we rarely see it used because its usless it can destroy part of the arena but it cant kill an enemy fast egnuf ..lets turn the damage model if an abrahams tank ..its main gun into a 22 caliber fore enemy soldiers ..but we still can demolish buildings with it ??!

[void aspen]

w

[muted condor]

You don’t throw spears

Why throw bad for dummies
Written by a masochist that likes spear

• The spin attack is a viable secondary fire but struggles do to hit detection and not having the ability to properly cancel it
• Adding a throw would force an entirely new round of balancing that has never been done before on a weapon and class that is difficult to balance
• You would be screwing over the fans of the weapon
• The spear is a crowed control weapon not a brawling weapon
• YOU DON’T THROW SPEARS!

[void aspen]

,

[sonic zephyr]

"The spear is a crowed control weapon not a killing weapon" youre telling us with a straight face that a PRIMARY WEAPON is not supposed to kill 🥀

there are like, 3 equipment slots that you could fill with cc stuff. The primary should mainly hurt people

[analog pewter]

I got all the sights... now there's nothing

The entire conceit of the melee weapon class is that they only work if you can get enemies within their range. Instead of giving them long range attacks that undermine this conceit, figure out ways to balance them that either make them more reliable once in that range, or more capable of closing that distance

Sledge can break walls and thus create shorter paths to where you are or escape you if you're too far away. It doesn't need to be able to throw the hammer to be decent

[muted condor]

Your lack of game comprehension is showing

There i edited it to appeal to the lower life forms train of thought

[analog pewter]

Nah but really I think the buff they should give spear is making it always do the lunge when you attack while holding forward, even if you're not aiming at someone or in range

It's a spear
You lunge with it

it'd give it a very unique identity compared to other melees and open up new movement techniques

[indigo nexus]

I would not want to incentivise attacking with the spear while there were no enemies around.

swinging a stick is not a valid movement technique in reality and will only waste energy

[muted condor]

Fix the spin and maybe give it slightly more range is all I’d want to risk doing with it

[analog pewter]

I mean I'm pretty sure chain lunges would still be slower than sprinting overall, but I also see this as a non-issue personally. Light players with the sword already use their sword dash to commute around

And given the spear has no destruction utility like sledge they should really lean into its range and maneuverability to compensate

[hidden zodiac]

Buff vanish bomb

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-false-nuke-walter-white-false-breaking-bad-false-breaking-bad-false-nuke-gif-11851145952566757188

[ashen rose]

why are there so many OP af weapons?

[tiny notch]

because its a video game

[swift agate]

that's the neat part, there aren't

there are overtuned weapons for sure, but there are very few weapons, if any, that can be accurately described as overpowered

[ashen rose]

you're riiighhttt......... flame thrower and grenade launchers are so skilled and balanced

[tiny notch]

you picked the least overpowered weapons lmao

[swift agate]

gls and flamers are annoying to play against and mostly unskillful weapons, but they are balanced

[ashen rose]

THEY ARE NOT THAT'S CRAZY TO SAY

[tiny notch]

i think you might just suck

[ashen rose]

massive range damage ammo, not a single balanced thing about them

[swift agate]

there are so many ways to counter both of these weapons, and most of them are just having good positioning

like if you stand in a place that is higher up than a grenade launcher or flamethrower, they basically cannot hurt you

[blazing vector]

It’s literally either be really close to them or be really far away from them that’s it

[ashen rose]

so the counter is the not play against them, right.

[swift agate]

not at all what either of us said but alright

[ashen rose]

that's not a "counter"

[swift agate]

like literally the opposite of what we said

[tiny notch]

this game is full of guns

"be far away" doesnt mean "dont play the game" it just means shoot them

[spring spear]

both of these statements about gls and flamethrowers are false
flamethrower has the worst dps in the game

[ashen rose]

excluding the fire damage

[tiny notch]

including the fire damage

[spring spear]

including the fire damage

[swift agate]

you don't even need to be far away either, you just have to be mindful of where you are and where they are. their purpose in the game is to punish bad positioning, so just position yourself better and you will not have a problem with them

[spring spear]

the damage on the cl40 is ass too and its projectile speed and fire rate are below subpar

after a certain range theyre so easy to dodge they may aswell not have a weapon, if you're on higher ground they have a really hard time aiming, and if youre too close to them they'll hurt themselves more than they hurt you

[ashen rose]

you either don't play the game or you use them and pretend that your skilled

[swift agate]

let's not go too far here, the damage is one of the few things that isn't bad, you get 100 on a direct pill and 40-50 or more for a close splash, basically a participation trophy for missing. that's why I'd consider it a not very skillfull weapon, but it really doesn't take much more skill to deal with them either

[spring spear]

i have 2400 hours in the game and cl40 and flamethrower are my least used guns

[blazing vector]

Flamethrower is bad unless you’re fighting against newbies or people with bad game sense

[swift agate]

you haven't given us any reason that they're overpowered, just "massive range damage ammo" and 3 out of 3 of those aspects you listed are either partially or fully wrong

[spring spear]

100 on a direct with its slow fire rate is pretty bad though, that's a higher ttk than any of the other ranged weapons on medium vs Medium and Heavy
It only has better ttks vs light, but lights have a really easy time dodging it with dash and have an easier time positioning themselves in places that make them hard to hit with cl40 anyway

[blazing vector]

You know what we can agree is really op? Winch claw.

[spring spear]

this is also only taking into account bodyshots
once you add headshots to the mix its ttk loses vs all builds

[swift agate]

I didn't say it had a good ttk, only that it did good damage. all single fire weapons have pretty abysmal ttks on paper, that's how they're balanced. and I'm not arguing that the weapon is all that good either. it's passable at best, my point was just that its damage is one if its better aspects as opposed to stuff like firerate, ammo count, and projectile speed

[winged compass]

make ak better

[swift agate]

ak is fine

[spring spear]

Okay I understand now and agree

only change id give the akm (at least right now) is giving it its 4 bullets back

[winged compass]

nvm i meant add more skins with wooden furnishing

[swift agate]

I count 6 ak skins with wood furniture alone

5 if we don't count the green gunk skin since it's mostly covered up

[winged compass]

more

for other guns too
even if it doesnt make sense
give me a wooden shak

[swift agate]

can't knock a guy who really just loves wood I guess

[winged compass]

i just like how wooden furnishings look on guns compared to polymer

[tiny notch]

stick sword

[blazing vector]

Give heavy a log for a sledge

[modest lynx]

Wood Furniture on The Shak would be Diabolical

[winged compass]

ill reiterate

every gun should have it
even the ones that dont make sense

[timber ferry]

meep morp

[livid dew]

Add striker 12 to heavy

[lofty parrot]

Add auto cannon

[dense rover]

does team weapons really matter for team composition, if so is cl40 akimbo sledge a good team composition

[analog pewter]

Nah

I mean idk you can probably win a match with it

[dense rover]

what would be a good alternative for the akimbo

[stoic jackal]

Titan

[worthy tree]

what he said

[stoic jackal]

I only use akimbo cuz it looks cool

But im basically putting myself at a disadvantage cuz theres better weapons

[worthy tree]

akimbo does look tuff

[stoic jackal]

Titan is just so good, lowk it should get removed

[worthy tree]

nerf it

[stoic jackal]

Theres no way to nerf it properly

[worthy tree]

thats so epic

[stoic jackal]

I guess they can give it the cl40 treatment and make the reload painfully slow, thats the only thing i can think of

[worthy tree]

thats a nerf

[stoic jackal]

Or make it projectile based

Since its just hitscan rn

[worthy tree]

that would be good

more

[swift kraken]

Heavy is the only class I feel uncomfortable weapon wise , like the lmgs are decent but slow and heavy recoil , deagles are fine i guess, melee not my type, mini gun too slow & inaccurate, shotgun too situationbased, the shak is nice but low dmg, slow fire & only 20 rounds ..

[inner pivot]

A lot of weapons have their own playstyle that comes with it that can affect how they feel, but if I haven't used the gun before, usually playing a few rounds with it will remove that feeling now that I'm used to it

That's how it worked for me with the m60 and minigun

[tight vale]

https://tenor.com/view/bakugou-katsuki-bakugo-katsuki-my-hero-academia-mha-gif-587483264026314714

[swift kraken]

Im so used to movement with light, medium I feel too slow as heavy 😂

I play solo tho , in a group it’s more fun as heavy

[tight basin]

Does anyone want to play with me? I'm currently unranked and I'd like someone I can talk to while getting my placement

[blazing vector]

Just use the m60 it’s basically a p90

[sudden pewter]

Akimbo is quite good, I’d wager it’s only competition is the BFR

[muted condor]

Mini gun still best

[sudden pewter]

I don't like that I have to wait a few seconds after it spins down to do hand gestures

[sacred widget]

What does XP have over ARN this season?

[tiny notch]

fireate

[indigo nexus]

TTK

[sharp quest]

Meta medium gun rn?

[indigo nexus]

CB-01 and famas

[sharp quest]

Thanks

[plucky spade]

"direct pill"

[tiny notch]

tf2 player

[gaunt pike]

This game sucks

[fallen shale]

P90 is a very good comfort pick. Basically the AK but better

[blazing vector]

No

[bright oracle]

ANy tips for how to use the minigun without dying instantly?

[mighty nymph]

dome, positioning and chuck will be ur best friends

• if you have a healing beam pocketing you (not necessary but huge help)

[bright oracle]

So play it like TF2?

[mighty nymph]

basically :3

[ember drum]

But p90 is too op

[gleaming aspen]

start a bunny hop before you start revving up the mini gun so by the time you land where you wanna start shooting you wont have to wait for it to rev up

[spice plaza]

bhop and/or slide

[serene hull]

DAY 365 OF PLEADING FOR A MEDIEVAL MAP WITH THE GOATS @warm gyro @timber idol @trail snow AND 287 OTHER PROUD SOLDIERS.

[gleaming aspen]

bro has not been lying

[pale quail]

1 YEAR! Embark, if there was ever a time to show that you care about your community, now is that time!

Medieval Map in The Finals!

[eager wasp]

well i think optimizations and server fixes and lots of bug fixes would be a better way to do a showing of such care

[gleaming aspen]

real but castles and shit is based also

[pale quail]

Yeah but castles and gothic buildings kinda fire tho

[fierce robin]

whats the meta for heavy right now?

[blazing vector]

Winch and Shak or m60

[indigo nexus]

m60? Haven’t heard that been called meta. BFR is very much meta though

And SA12 should definitely be there if shak is

[muted condor]

BFR, Shak, SA12, winch, and dome

[lone aspen]

BFR big fucking revolver

[fierce robin]

i cant kill anything with the SA12 😄

[neon barn]

hey guy from like days ago
i realized the m202 flash is in the game tho instead it's a skin for the lockbolt

dont ask me why isnt it for the rpg, idk either

[tight vale]

boy i thought that was a grenade launcher

[shell sonnet]

yeah, really shouldve been an rpg, even if it had to have some silly reload shenanigans to fit the quad barrel

[lucid cave]

It’s been an entire year bro, they have to add this

[slow linden]

Not good enough

[slow linden]

Should've been a new gadget or weapon

[runic void]

make snipers onetap heavies on leg shots it feels weak rn

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-false-nuke-walter-white-false-breaking-bad-false-breaking-bad-false-nuke-gif-11851145952566757188

[slow linden]

Ragebait is for #👂┇game-feedback

[shell sonnet]

@hot flame
with counterplay i mainly meant the shooting itself, but jumping around it also helps
sometimes you can still jump around the heavy, use goo grenade, or get behind a wall

not saying it cant be annoying, or that it couldnt use a small hp nerf

mainly glad we agree on winches impact lol

[hot flame]

Oh yeah no winch is a cancer upon this game. My issue is that I feel nearly 40% of heavy loadouts are RPG, Lockbolt, Dome and Winch ofc. Getting behind a wall doesnt really do anything, cuz it lasts so long AND it shows where you are, and be honest, jumping around will not get you more than 0.5 extra seconds of life lmao

[shell sonnet]

might be related to certain... playstyle choices... for me
or im just too hyper focused on winch, and it would shift once thats no longer a major pain point, thats happened before

but as long as were improving, i dont mind

rpg should be more destruction focused

theyve mentioned not wanting it to be a combat too
yet 9/10 a heavy insta rpgs (if they dont keep it for finishing instead)

and it honestly feels kind of wasteful to use it for destruction at times

id rather have it get its damaged halfed, and its ammo increased to 2

and im probably a bit biast on this, but i think nades should be able to pass through dome
frags to blow it up, fire/gas to flush it out
maybe have reshaper ignore it

it is a bit of a wide lineup, but considering they still need to pull them out and throw it, it still gives and edge

[fossil elk]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[cosmic remnant]

Is it just me or have there been more cl40 mediums in my lobbies??

[sharp rune]

[pale quail]

Eh, pyro would simply over-counter dome. Gas would pretty much do the same. Dome is like a CR tornado for teammates, I think it would be totally unviable if aoe could get in there. As much as I’ve wanted to drop a pyro in there myself, ofc.

And glitch would also be hurt by that

I do think reshaper should be able to reach. Maybe? Though it has a decent range, that could be really oppressive. Though reshaper needs some love rn

Another charge, less range for reshaper? Can reshape through dome and mesh.

[fallen shale]

If i click the keybind for specialization while I have it up, it puts it away. Is there a setting to remove this?

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856603795738722307/1425920121473470554/togif.gif

[sacred oar]

https://tenor.com/view/alone-karu-cute-frog-karu-love-gif-9073542059226148631

[slender bear]

Betting Embark tries to give light a (barely) reworked recon senses spec, then they can claim it was broken and remove it for balancing a week later.
That way they've given light a post-launch spec, and they can put off implementing a new one for another two years.

[sacred scroll]

What's the "correct" way to play against winch? Is "just don't get winched" the only way? I'm stumped

[muted condor]

Yep that’s exactly what you do

Winch is busted af and has been for a long time

[lofty parrot]

You have to point the cross hairs over the target to use the winch claw

I prefere moving cashouts with it over bringing players closer to me...

I'm not that smart so there's that as well...

[broken plank]

how much does red dot scope reduce sens? i have 100% mouse zoom sens and its not the same as look sens

[fleet zealot]

I feel like it doesn‘t reduce it at all, maybe check settings

[broken plank]

do u have 100% zoom?

slide from one side of the mousepad to the other with look sens and zoom sens separately

i had focal lenght sens scaling on nvm

[fleet zealot]

idk I changed the settings once when I started playing years ago

[fleet zealot]

Glad to see you found a fix

[slow linden]

Pray that they can't aim and pray that embarks shitty hitreg acts up for them

[oblique crypt]

You must sacrifice a solid gold Nama Tama to a volcano of your choice and chant the Winchean incantations that are hidden on the bottom left corner of the Rosetta Stone

[sinful plover]

I hunger for balance changes

[sudden pewter]

You will starve until the majors end Ishallah

[sonic zephyr]

all this waiting just to see that the next patch is just changes for melee hitreg (they wont work) and the +1 shell on model reverted

[analog pewter]

How on earth are you complaining about the model

You gotta be dealt with by almighty God my friend

All the things in this game to complain about and you picked a middling-at-best and inconsistent shotgun during a meta that really doesn't care for shotguns not named SA1216

Unless you mean to say you expect them to do it but you don't want it. In which case I understand you

Anyways they should make its cycle speed faster to actually match the officially intended 77 RPM instead of the current ~70

[dusky field]

Sarcasm and complaining are 2 seperate things

I can already see the one bug fix + 3 bugs added Embark true combo

[sudden pewter]

Next season will be the Models season trust

[graceful nova]

Pyro mines hidden behind doors or goo’d up stairways/ziplines are a great way to farm casual lights in TDM

[dusky field]

Pls not again

[sudden pewter]

Next season will be season of spear trust

[dusky field]

Ong

Next season we are getting a Winch Claw buff trust

[sudden pewter]

Winch Rework hopefully

I know it’s all hands on deck for the Majors but I like to believe they’ve had a mad scientist or two toiling in the back to rework the winch so it’s more consistent and fairer to fight

[indigo nexus]

S9 will finally fix the spear!!
it just has to!!

[sudden pewter]

S9 Melee Rework bros trust!!

[analog pewter]

doubt devs are actually working on anything major related, that's more of a production job

[sudden pewter]

Correct

[analog pewter]

i just wonder how many finals devs arc raiders has poached, or if embark actually believes in the finals and wants to dedicate resources to both

[sudden pewter]

I’m (hopeful) this lackluster season had its content finalized last season so more hands could be available for the Majors (be it asset production or for issues arising)

I don’t personally believe Arc has poached anyone from the Finals team.

[indigo nexus]

It wouldn’t exactly be a cheap process to switch them over, for a lot of roles at least

It is way more successful, but they weren’t sure it would be until very recently

[sudden pewter]

I’m happy it’s found fertile soil, the Discord is a disaster and I hope they can sort it out.

[calm jetty]

Play as much distance as possible, when you have to get close be with your team, throw a goonade at your feet, and bring a winch on your team. If you're with your team and you get winched it doesn't matter because your team can focus while you get winched. If they also have their team with them then its just a good ol team fight.

[pliant swallow]

I just played a game in deathmatch mode today and then dropped out halfway. Immediately after, my account was permanently banned. I want to ask what happened. I have not engaged in any cheating behavior and as an old player who has been playing fair games for about 1500 hours, it was the first time that you mistakenly banned me. Then, I asked you about the situation just now. The voice changer I used in the background has affected the fairness of the game. I have sent you a screenshot of the Rac voice changer software I used. Please give me a satisfactory answer as soon as possible and check my account. The Chinese server is about to release and I am about to rank. What's the situation? Have you made a mistake? I have been playing for so long. Can you please stop causing trouble

[sudden pewter]

Bot 🤖

[marble vale]

Why does the eclipse shade skin for the akm give it more visual recoil or am I the only one with that problem rn?

[faint steppe]

It's honestly difficult to answer that. We had the rather recent Embark CEO interview where he confirmed that they want to support The Finals long into the future. We also know (I think it was last year) that both Embark and Nexon have been mostly happy with this game's success but it definitely performed a bit below expectations.

But the big question is if Arc's immense success is a good thing for the Finals or will simply lead to them doubling down on what's obviously working better/is more successful.

Judging from this season's initial success, the potentially well selling skins, their China(ls) version releasing soon (18.11.25) and them already having confirmed another major I doubt that the Finals is doing badly. I know people parade the Steam player counts but you have to keep in mind that both Arc and BF6 sold best on PC which results in the player drop-off being the harshest on Steam (and also the only measurable one).

Overall I think Arcs success is a good thing for this game and judging from all these factors I'd say that we'll probably get some larger content updates in the future. What "scares" me a bit more is that their CEO also confirmed that they have at least two other games in development. I really hope that these aren't live service too because then they would just cannibalize their current titles even more. Because time will always be the bottleneck for most people when it comes to dedicating themselves to games like these.

[wraith orchid]

Lol

[swift mauve]

Maybe we finally get an adhd knife as quick melee like in cs instead of my elbow

[wraith orchid]

nevermind, everything is great

[placid slate]

God is good

[slow linden]

Fun fact that I just figured out,you can cook red barrels

[shell sonnet]

ive been using the damage trigger for propane canisters recently to create deadly traps using only a mine

[slow linden]

If you catch a red barrel after throwing it the fuse will still be active,meaning you can cook them

[shell sonnet]

id probably do that more often if it didnt make it inconsistent as hell (not that un-primed ones are much better tbh)

[slow linden]

It's a very niche tool,really only for clips most of the time

[shell sonnet]

also, i just noticed a few days ago

props with attachments now break glass when the attachment intersects it
when was that changed?

[slow linden]

Really the only tactical reason to cook a red barrel is closer range they don't tend to explode on impact half the time

They'll flop around if they hit anything but a player and then explode on the fuse

You can also barrel stuff people with the explosion but it will only do full damage and not incur a penalty if it's inside of the enemy's hitbox or through them to the point that it's hitting behind them

[sudden pewter]

Don’t need

[swift mauve]

XD

[cunning slate]

Idk quick melee is kinda bland ngl

[sudden pewter]

Perhaps I just haven’t ingested enough micro plastics yet, but I don’t feel the need for a dedicated fidget button

[cunning slate]

With all due respect, why did that come of like a "alpha male ahh" type comment.

[sudden pewter]

Idk, OP literally described it as an “ADHD Knife”

[worldly socket]

Hellooo is it only me who noticed the clouds level up weapon wraps disappeared?

Or maybe it's intentional and i didn't know it was limited

[sudden pewter]

Not limited, likely a bug (patch seems to be quite rough atm)

[analog pewter]

Just pick up a can and start inspecting it

That's already your fidget toy

[sudden pewter]

Weapon Inspection animations exist, no need to add knives

[worldly socket]

Asking for knives when light already has 2 knife like weapons

[sudden pewter]

In their defense they’re not asking for knives as weapons but a cosmetic that overhauls the quick melee so they can fidget. Still stupid but it’s nothing like a whole new weapon

[swift mauve]

if they add like a fancy reflective colorful skin to it sure

[sudden pewter]

Subway Surfer

[void ice]

Every time I play other games without an inspect or emoting I start to crazy

[sudden pewter]

👀

[analog pewter]

spending 5000 dollars on a csgo knife just so i can stim