💣┇weapons-gadgets

[grim jasper]

I think a lot of issues with the optimization come from the destruction though. It doesnt make sense to switch engines this far into development though and I know for sure the over head would be too great to create their own engine for the game.

The reason valo and even fortnite dont reqire such high specifications is because they don't have to cache as much in memory, fortnite destruction isnt super physics heavy and valo doesn't even have destruction from what I remember.

I'm sure there are places they could improve optimization in the game, but the majority of the "poor" optimization comes from how much memory is required to have the destruction we have without it being completely voxel based

[sudden pewter]

Levers won the west tho

[muted condor]

A $500 console will be up and running the moment you buy it and play all games with almost zero problems and last for years without needing anything updated or fixes

[runic wing]

i can't believe xbox just ratched up prices again tbh

[muted condor]

Xbox moment

[sudden pewter]

Player specs also need to be taken into account. I run a relatively “old” setup and I’m still not experiencing any performance issues that aren’t server related

[runic wing]

happy to be on pc!

[sudden pewter]

You will never know the joy of modding breasts onto creatures normally bereft of them in any video game.

A pity, truly. Second class citizen of gaming

[grim jasper]

Not to mention most mods on consoles are paid for.

[muted condor]

You’ll never know the joy of full lobbies with no hackers

[sudden pewter]

*Perceived Hackers

[runic wing]

just ones with XIMrs pretending to be controller players lol

[muted condor]

9/10 XIM users still suck ass

[sudden pewter]

My younger sibling spent $400 on a custom controller with recoil assist and I gave him a tongue lashing

[stoic garden]

no way lmao

[sudden pewter]

He cannot fathom how not having to deal with recoil in Apex Legends isn’t cheating

[runic wing]

recoil assist? cant you just raise sense to make it easier to counter?

that hurts my soul lol

[sudden pewter]

It’s built into the controller, essentially removing recoil entirely

[indigo nexus]

how does that work?

[grim jasper]

Idk I jsut know my buddy uses an xbox one controller on his pc and he hits shots just fine without any extra hardware or software

[muted condor]

XIM is no match for a skilled gyro user

[indigo nexus]

it would surely need to be able to read the relevant information from memory

[sudden pewter]

Something about a profile he can alter by connecting the controller to his PC, I’ll be honest I was too busy berating him

I’ll ask about it when I next get the chance

[stoic garden]

m11 users would do anything

to hit people at 20 meters

[placid slate]

Blud doesn't know what aim smoothening is

[compact tundra]

Your sibling bought a controller with a built in zen?

[sudden pewter]

For $400

[muted condor]

You should honestly skin him alive

[sudden pewter]

It seems to be a bit more than that

[placid slate]

It really isn't in 80% of cases

[compact tundra]

Oh God. Please guide them back to reality before the bullying begins

[muted condor]

A spent a decent amount of money on my controller for the nice paddles and triggers

[placid slate]

I'm just running the ps5 controller from the box my console came in

[sudden pewter]

I’m hoping this is the case, but from how it was explained to me it seems a bit more than an unfair advantage

[compact tundra]

I mean but that makes sense. I play with a wolverine V3 because the extra bumpers are genuine miracles. But I ain't dropping $400 on a controller unless it's a full custom build

[muted condor]

Respect

[placid slate]

The only thing with noticeable kick is the flatline

[muted condor]

Hell no that’s way to much

[sudden pewter]

Wake me up when Titanfall3 releases

[placid slate]

I'm not paying 200 euro for one with paddles, even if it would make spin cancels way easier

[compact tundra]

I'm gonna buy an adapter soon so I can use my Xbox 360 controller that's a decade old. The shit talk will be immaculate

[compact tundra]

That's just called dying

[placid slate]

Why does the fat fuck goo grenade look like that though

Gumball looking ass

[compact tundra]

I mean I spent $200 on my wolverine but it also comes with extra bumpers that are placed in a very convenient spot. So I can use my bumpers even while shooting. On top of the 4 standard paddles

[sudden pewter]

His name is Blumpkin and he is filled with Goo

[delicate merlin]

yes, exactly, UE5 is still new so you're not really sure of what's possible. part of the journey I guess. hopefully it's worth all of that pluff..

but no, I think UE5 is better optimized in certain games than other.
and I don't like it in certain games, I sense a clunkiness, maybe I'm just in love with Valve's engines.

@muted condor not the point, Consoles and I don't mix, one, Aiming with a joystick is ...... the Range of Motion of a Thumb joint is not meant for aiming...

also, by all means, running an all purpose machine should always outperform a dedicated console, it's just a mix of Microsoft Windows being a horrible OS and game devs moving optimization down their lists.
(check out benchmarks of SteamOS on the same machines and you'll understand. 30 fps is nothin to scoff about)

@grim jasper yes, Server-Side destruction will always have this costly impact on performance I agree.
and my hope is there's this code kid that studied code since he was being breastfed that figures out some work around that improves performance of destruction by 40%,
side note I noted from Marvel Rivals, Internet latency and performance HAVE a connection on UE5, noticed it on Fortnite too, for some reason, ping correlates to performance which suggest some weird spaghetti code.

also, IDK if you're talking about memory or Cache Memory I tested the game on both 32 and 16 GBs of RAM, saw little to no difference. the game uses more CPU than most games though.

finally I want to state that I am no coding expert, I have no expertise in this field, I only state my observations and thoughts about the subject and is only my opinion. I just like to do deep dives and from a lot of overthinking time, I came to some of these conclusion. (yes, I talk to myself way too much) and slowly losing my bearings studying certain fields that shall not be named.

[indigo nexus]

because he's so full of goo

[placid slate]

His name is chubble you dyslexic fuck

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[sudden pewter]

HIS NAME IS BLUMPKIN FUCK YOU

[grim jasper]

I'm really hoping for a gas grenade one that makes a fart noise when you throw it, and since they are playing into inflation with chubble and the masochist grenade, we need a neckbeard degen for the gas grenade

[indigo nexus]

Anything and everything is possible, it isn't an engine of abstractions. The engine itself is not the part where developer optimisations are relevant. It never is. The engine is simply a toolkit of useful premade features that developers can use to simplify the development process.

[compact tundra]

Huh

[sudden pewter]

Fedora + The stupid fucking mouse as a Flash grenade

[placid slate]

Go outside

Not even touch grass, go for a hike

[grim jasper]

lol could work

[grim jasper]

I mean I go climbing everyday

[sudden pewter]

If we’re getting a fart gas grenade I want the bottle to have my contestants face on it, they can do it with sprays so they can do it with skins

[placid slate]

Additional climbing is required then

[compact tundra]

Ok wait a minute, when the fuck did inflation become something the grenade skins were leaning into

[grim jasper]

"oooh im so full of goo"

[indigo nexus]

It's possible that a developer will use something from a game engine that simply is very demanding, and then you can kinda blame the engine but I think it's not sensible to, since the developer chose to do that rather than make something themselves. The lethal company developer for example used a very performance intensive preset unity lighting system which makes the game not run super fast as it otherwise would, and the game only gets away with it because it runs at a very low resolution. And even then performance is kinda mediocre.

[compact tundra]

I'm so lost rn

[grim jasper]

constantly talks about how full he is, and not to shake him too much or he'll burst

[sudden pewter]

“Pull my finger” (explodes with goo)

[placid slate]

In a monetary meaning, mythic grenades cost more than 50% extra to legendary grenades

[sudden pewter]

Yeah “no sudden movements”

[muted condor]

He got gooed in

[sudden pewter]

Next Light will get a Nullifier mythic that turns targets into big inflated blueberries

[grim jasper]

have you not used or seen the new goo grenade skin?

[placid slate]

Why is the TV charm still on alfa acta channel

Gimme the cool one back

[compact tundra]

No, the fuck, does it say that

[placid slate]

He says he's very full of goo

[compact tundra]

Oh God. They used to be scared to give us athletic shorts without leggings underneath and now the game is full degeneracy mode

[grim jasper]

This is what happens when they let oscar get his way

[sudden pewter]

Best channel

[placid slate]

Bro there is a cat girl maid outfit

[compact tundra]

I'm aware but that isn't fuckign inflation. Do they have pyrocynical running the game cosmetics department

[placid slate]

I mean he's probably the one who decided the price hikes

[compact tundra]

Oh my God it's worse than I thought

[placid slate]

The Merry League being part of the season 5 soundtrack is a government hoax

Solely to make it not 10/10 sweep for all songs in there

[indigo nexus]

I was waiting for him to ay "You bought the pink one! ...why?" but was dissapointed. We need a longer video to get them all

[stoic garden]

I LOVE BACKGROUND NOISE

[sudden pewter]

Yeah a Pylon is being built into the background it’s sorta nuts

[stoic garden]

me tryna listen for enemy footsteps:

[analog pewter]

i feel like im playing the most fucking scrub level tactics but i really do love minigun with charge & slam

also devastated that the minigun does not count as a machine gun for challenges

[sudden pewter]

I’m fairly certain it does though

It’s classified as an HMG, a type of MG. Should count

[analog pewter]

nah my challenge aint progressing with it

[sudden pewter]

Weird, probably another bug

Embark can we go one season without contracts bugging out please

[finite agate]

.....what would be considered satisfying enough? the thing CHONKS as-is 🤨

[sudden pewter]

OHK Lights

[placid slate]

What Animal Touched My Dad is goated song for quick cash

[analog pewter]

BFR I wish was a shotgun revolver with tight spread so it would still be kept in check at range

It would be nice to have one shotgun that does headshot damage

[sudden pewter]

Disagree, BFR should fire hamsters that gorge on the eyes of my foes when headshots connect

[analog pewter]

Heavy downplayer

I'm just joshing

[grim jasper]

I actually think we should make it shoot more bfrs 😂

[analog pewter]

That's a borderlands gun

[grim jasper]

oooh guys red name we did it

[analog pewter]

How many messages is that

[sudden pewter]

First Embed, what will it be

[grim jasper]

oh you know only 1015 💀

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-confetti-yipee-gif-26461456

[analog pewter]

That's like a few days away for me i bet

[sudden pewter]

He made it

[analog pewter]

Good embed great way to start

[grim jasper]

I should not have this much power

[analog pewter]

Yeah I'm over halfway there chat

[placid slate]

Deploy the celebratory sheldon

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182330547234684989/1408560580494753812/sheldon.gif

[grim jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204770518264447016/1291420496042266717/lv_0_20241003112326.gif

[analog pewter]

Of all the official game discords I've been in this one is the least full of annoying people

[placid slate]

That must be a low bar

[analog pewter]

Because they have the #👂┇game-feedback containment zone

[grim jasper]

This is true the majority of the lobotomites are all in there

[muted condor]

I’m going to change that

[analog pewter]

Granted I am also annoyed by very normal people who don't get online culture and most game discords are full of those people. So like I'm honestly the bad one here they're just being normal

[sudden pewter]

For me, people that don’t respect the game and want to change it into something else are what earn my ire

[indigo nexus]

It's one of the worse ones from my perspective

[cursive owl]

Annoyed by very normal people

Certainly an interesting thing to say

[analog pewter]

i did acknowledge that that's a me problem

[analog pewter]

yea I try and rly thoroughly tailor all my ideas and suggestions to things that fit within the game's tempo and expectations

[sudden pewter]

Thank you for that

[compact tundra]

Anyways I want a spell book that lets us cast from a list of spells to fit our needs, put it on light

Wait did someone send the Sheldon, there's a gif that won't load and it looks green

[placid slate]

That is the 15mb Sheldon yes

[sudden pewter]

Sheldon Bomb

[compact tundra]

Oh God. I can't scroll up without risking detonation

[sudden pewter]

I’ll give you a new one, don’t worry

[placid slate]

Bomb vest phone

[compact tundra]

It's honestly even funnier from my end cause it takes like 2 minutes to load and once it does I get nuked

[sudden pewter]

As the Sheldon loads in pixel by pixel your client grows laggier

[compact tundra]

Honestly yea, it's the same way if I open the gifs tab thing. If I try to load my favorited gifs it slowly nukes my phone. Sheldon's the opposite, he loads all at once and nukes me. As long as he's not at the bottom tho I can avoid him loading in by not scrolling over him

[muted condor]

What if we sent Unjust a Sheldon glitter bomb irl

[compact tundra]

The most personalized threat I'll ever receive

[sudden pewter]

“Everyone in Ruby is Ruby due to Winch” is quite the take tbf

[muted condor]

I mean I agree with the first half

[restive plover]

wdym

[compact tundra]

Genuinely, do they really think the winch SA's in Ruby are less scary with mesh or CnS. And I don't wanna see what a Ruby goo gun would look like

[sudden pewter]

Specific contracts tend to not function properly when implemented. Things like:
“Deal 15,000 damage with Machine Guns. But then either the HMG (Minigun) or either LMG (Lewis & M60) won’t count towards the damage metric

[analog pewter]

left click: fireball. right click: holy light
left click is a projectile that does small burst damage then DoT, right click expels status effects on allies and dispels smoke

not actually a serious idea I just like the idea of casting spells. EMBARK ADD A WIZARD OUTFIT!

[sudden pewter]

I’d love a wizard fit but I wouldn’t wanna see weapons lean that far into fantasy beyond Mythics

[compact tundra]

It'd be fun and I've come up with a whole alchemist kit idea for an FPS but it wouldn't fit the game

[analog pewter]

I want to look like this so badly dude ugh

[analog pewter]

yeah I'd definitely say like, CL-40 skin that's casting explosive fireball from a book would be awesome

[compact tundra]

I could see spells reskinned a but working as gadgets tho

[sudden pewter]

Throwing Knives

[analog pewter]

throwing knives are like, phantom daggers

[sudden pewter]

*Magic Missile

[grim jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1397260241917313076/lv_0_20250721221925.gif

[analog pewter]

oh yeah duh

[compact tundra]

I want the hand glitch to become a skin for flamethrower. You just flick your wrist and people ignite, and when your reloading you just shake your hand in anger

[analog pewter]

YES YES YES YES !!!!! I need this as a skin so badly omfgggggg
I'd love it with a book in the left hand and the reload is like, drawing power from the book

i want them to add tf2 airblast as a mechanic to something in this game....

[compact tundra]

No bro, with this glitch you literally shake your hand in anger while reloading, it's glorious. Just add the book and keep the old wizard shaking his hand at the rats

[analog pewter]

i want an animation mod for demat where you just snap your fingers to remove the wall
would be so fucking satisfying

[compact tundra]

Yes

[grim jasper]

Someone used this gif a month ago or something and it sparked the idea for elemental weapons to me so like a fire staff, ice grenade, etc...

[placid slate]

The quick cash lobbies yearn for the spear 3 stack

[analog pewter]

i would join a spear 3 stack
i won a triple sledgehammer random fill match recently, it was so fucking hype

[placid slate]

What level is your spear

[analog pewter]

2 but i swear im competent
i dont use the spin much unless it's absolutely really going to work

[placid slate]

Mf needs the patented spear guide in my video editor

[compact tundra]

Still to this day the most dominate game I've ever played was a WT game where we had a
Winch sledgehammer
Mesh flamethrower
CnS MGL

[analog pewter]

winchhammer.... I run goo sledge and goo spear

[placid slate]

Do you spin cancel

[analog pewter]

i know how to yeah but I haven't gotten it into my gameplan too deeply bc i hardly spin to begin with

[grim jasper]

I run Goo - anything

[placid slate]

Gotta spin in order to win

[analog pewter]

spear to me just has such a good m1 combo and range so I'm not too worried about spinning

[grim jasper]

My highest level weapons though are BFR - 6 and spear - 7

[analog pewter]

ill try and use it more at least but it feels like the first hit just takes centuries

[placid slate]

Bro the weapon camd out 2 weeks ago chill

[compact tundra]

How the fuck is it level 6

[grim jasper]

Lost of weekend hours

I think I streamed for 8 hours friday and ran only the bfr

[analog pewter]

i play a lot of different classes so i dont get anything leveled up too fast

[compact tundra]

Bro you basically have 2 full time jobs at that point

[analog pewter]

like my highest i think is level 4? and it's the model 1887

[ornate halo]

how do u get media perms i wanna show my stats 😭, i got 27 kills as a light sword and only 2 deaths

[grim jasper]

Yea I've been getting new projects at work though so game time is going to be going down as I spend more time in the office for the next couple months

[compact tundra]

Gotta be red

[grim jasper]

level up in the server

[ornate halo]

ah okay

[analog pewter]

my top spec is goo

[grim jasper]

I think it takes like 100 messages before you can send media, just dont spam. Be cool and participate in conversations

[compact tundra]

Oh wait just pics is yellow, embeds is red

[ornate halo]

is red higher or lower than yellow?

[grim jasper]

Higher

[ornate halo]

cool okay

what's yalls fav scopes?

[placid slate]

I must assemble the spear 3 stack

[ornate halo]

i once ran up against a full team of heavy minigunners, that was actually so so unpleasant to fight against

[compact tundra]

I mean Deraingo and Borgon are right there

[placid slate]

They are at work I believe based on previous conversations

The cat and brogan would be my go to if possible

[compact tundra]

If Rational and Brogon accept your offer I'll actually cry

[analog pewter]

i just got matched vs two snipers and i ended up diffing them with goo sledge so hard they swapped to an actual team comp

[compact tundra]

Phhhhh

[compact tundra]

Just don't bully the actual people trying to play sniper too much. I'd much rather have quick scopers actually playing the game rather than useless glue huffers sitting in top of roofs ratting

[merry harbor]

Bruh i just had Powershift with the enemy being 5 miniguns

[analog pewter]

they were in the middle doing both

[compact tundra]

They deserved the win

[compact tundra]

Ok rightfully bullied

[analog pewter]

they swapped to sonar because i was using smokes to prevent their LOS on me

[compact tundra]

Big plays. Since I play almost exclusively close range weapons the only switch I can make against rats like that is BFR, and God do they hate to see it coming

[analog pewter]

been starting to use the deagles and they're a lot of fun to pull out against range

[compact tundra]

Realistically that's the range the BFR should end up at

[analog pewter]

praying. currently i feel dirty using it bc it's just so oppressive

[analog pewter]

i wish the MGL was more like tf2 demoman. rollers/bounced shots have reduced damage but you can score direct hits for max damage
and you cant direct hit if the shot touches a wall or the ground

[sudden pewter]

Would become S tier overnight

[analog pewter]

good bc thats awesome

neither of the GLs have the specific skill I want, CL-40 is too powerful on indirect hits and MGL can hardly score direct hits reliably and is murdered by ping, making it a glorified spam weapon. I just want a GL that explodes on direct hit but doesn't immediately explode on indirect hits

[ionic patio]

Is the nullifier any different from the stun gun?

[sudden pewter]

Totally different now.

[ionic patio]

Is it any good?

[sudden pewter]

Nullifier removes targets from the game for 3s. In this time they cannot deal damage. Essentially turning a 3v3 into a 2v3.

Is it good? Yeah, but requires coordination between teamates and that’s a rare commodity outside of ranked.

[graceful ether]

so what gun does light run now and is it still troll to play

[sudden pewter]

93R is the most popular weapon atm afaik. Buffs made it very very strong

[graceful ether]

damn thermal vision is still not playable?

but wasnt thermal vision a medium thing

[sudden pewter]

No, you’re thinking of wallhacks

And that was rightfully removed from the game

[graceful ether]

was it not called thermal vision? it was so fun

[grim jasper]

Yea sadly at work for another couple hours

[compact tundra]

It was called recon senses

[analog pewter]

what sight yall like best on the lewis?

[sudden pewter]

Compact is my favorite

[grim jasper]

uhhhh whatever the little red dot is

[muted condor]

Irons

[analog pewter]

the dot feels so big tho
like massive

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

[compact tundra]

I feel like the lewis true power is being unlocked because of the majors allowing people to see top level teams play and see what lewis can do, tho I don't know if any lewis heavies made it to closed qualifiers. But the lewis I believe is meta in Asia and I've been seeing more nasty lewis gun heavies in my NA lobbies recently

That thing fucking shreds with good kick control

[warm girder]

HELLO

HELLO

[sage berry]

Hola busco novia

[sudden pewter]

Lewis fucks. My first favorite weapon

[compact tundra]

Honestly looking at how well it works with kick control it has been under picked for a while

[sudden pewter]

It’s only pain point is the horizontal recoil

[grim jasper]

I want to go back to using the lewis it just never felt justified wish m60 being essentially the same thing with a longer reload speed and better recoil

[compact tundra]

I used to think lewis needed a buff and m60 barley held on against shak and minigun. Now honestly minigun, shak, and lewis all have their spots while m60 is good for people who can't aim quite as well or handle the downsides of the shak and minigun

[sudden pewter]

Lewis has better range and up-front damage. Shield shredder

[grim jasper]

If BFR gets nerfed next week I'll start running lewis again

[sudden pewter]

It’s not going to be touched, banned from the Esports anyway afaik

Maybe afterwards they’ll touch it

[tiny glen]

any console player willing to share his sens settings?

[analog pewter]

what do my weapon preferences say about me

[grim jasper]

I'd say melee main but you have some ranged leveled up. So I would say you are going through an identity crisis 😂 I would have been the same 3 seasons ago

[analog pewter]

i just dont main any one thing, I have a lot of different things i really enjoy doing

in tf2 i play basically every class except for spy and sniper

[muted condor]

Mini gun, spear, and dual blades all being high on the list 🤝

[analog pewter]

i need spear and db to be good 😭 please embark

[grim jasper]

Same though, but spear, caught my eye lol. My "best" weapons based on level would be

1. Spear
2. BFR
3. AK
4. DB
5. CL40
6. Bow

[analog pewter]

oh btw none of those are my weapon levels to be clear
just a random tiermaker i found

[stoic garden]

can u send

[grim jasper]

ohh lol well W tier list regardless. I need to run more sledge that shit makes my brain happy

[stoic garden]

no i mean the tiermaker link lol

[analog pewter]

i sent them a lil earlier actually. I've only been playing for about a month and a half tho

[analog pewter]

oh mb
it doesnt have the 2 new ones btw
https://tiermaker.com/create/the-finals-season-6-weapons-18056578

[stoic garden]

i'll edit them in

on god i gotta rename the tiers

[analog pewter]

whats the turret named again

[stoic garden]

guardian turret no?

[analog pewter]

yea whats his name

[stoic garden]

terry i think

[analog pewter]

oh thats awesome
and the healing orb is chuck, i remembered that one

[stoic garden]

aps also has a name, forgot it tho

twitch drops of the finals has it, go check it if you want

[analog pewter]

barricade surely is Barry

I'd accept Bart as well though

[grim jasper]

then we have abby the aps

[analog pewter]

abby was gonna be my guess, that's cute

Prox sensor should be Iris

aw i missed it, devastated

[stoic garden]

this would be mine

actually xp goes in neutral

never really liked it but i wont complain playing it

[sudden pewter]

Bro put BFR in cheeks what

It’s so strong

[stoic garden]

idc i dont like it

[sudden pewter]

It doesn’t like you either

[stoic garden]

it directly counters my fav heavy weapon cuh

[tiny glen]

bfr is p fun once u learn it ngl

[compact tundra]

Yo this looks like fun, did you rank based off personal preference? I don't have a PC so how would I access this?

[sudden pewter]

Common console L

[compact tundra]

Closer to low wage southerner L but the console is part of it

[stoic garden]

ranked off personal preference, tierlist would look much more homogenous if it was about how i rank them at meta level, link is https://tiermaker.com/create/the-finals-season-6-weapons-18056578

lacks p90 and bfr

[sudden pewter]

Changing my name next month btw, praying someone I destroy with the minigun in-game can find me on this discord since the names will link up

[stoic garden]

i should change my finals name too...

[sudden pewter]

I’m gunna have a number in place of a letter like all the cool Twitch Monkeys

[indigo nexus]

The m60's DPS is higher as well as its ability to break a shield and then kill whoever was behind it before needing to reload.

[muted condor]

I don’t want people to associate what I say in game to me here

[shell sonnet]

i havent played wt yet, how doesnt the double jump fair so far?
any interactions with jump pads?

[sudden pewter]

I want the chat filter gone so I can go sicko mode

[stoic garden]

evil ass brogon

[muted condor]

I say some vile stuff when people start talking shit

[indigo nexus]

ah; a coward

[sudden pewter]

Bro who have you blocked I saw that reaction appear and disappear immediately

[muted condor]

No one

[indigo nexus]

this is how it looks from the blocked person's POV but other users wouldn't be able to see it

[stoic garden]

exactly, btw it was me lol

[indigo nexus]

someone probably just accidentally clicked a react, or you are hallucinating

[stoic garden]

damn i shoulda gone with hallucination

[indigo nexus]

off your rocker, so to speak. lost your marbles
it's all in your head

[muted condor]

My block list

[stoic garden]

@sudden pewter you will become briefly irrational

[indigo nexus]

my block list has just compromised accounts in it

[stoic garden]

mine is full of annoying ass bots that people spammed in certain servers i used to frequent

[muted condor]

Fine

[stoic garden]

i'll rename myself to killwinchclaw 🔥

or KILL EVERYONE, i will think about it

[muted condor]

I will suffer the consequences

Watch someone instantly recognize my name

Also my accounts are linked so

[stoic garden]

only did it cuz my friend's also gonna do it

[lyric dawn]

lol

[analog pewter]

buff charge and slam by letting you cancel the slam so you can jump cancel the charge and carry momentum

[compact tundra]

Here's mine

[stoic garden]

bro has my tierlist in reverse

[compact tundra]

This is purely based on my personal feelings and I completely disregarded how good the weapon is

[analog pewter]

yea actually i think M1/M2 canceling charge would be nice :) including during the slam :)

[compact tundra]

Na we agree on minigun

Everyone should agree on minigun

[analog pewter]

you can kind of technically already do the jump cancel but its like a frame perfect input and idk if I'd trust it on latency

[stoic garden]

we need minigun propaganda

[compact tundra]

I mean if you think about the people in here this is literally a minigun propaganda channel

[stoic garden]

i wanted to propose to touch our miniguns together but then i saw "north america" ☹️

lowk minigun hipfire might compensate for the delay if i play na tho

[sudden pewter]

I WAS TIMED OUT I COULDNT RESPOND

[stoic garden]

LOL

[sudden pewter]

This blacklist is ridiculous ong

[stoic garden]

ik right

[sudden pewter]

Capital R tarded

[compact tundra]

I've been banned for that word before

[sudden pewter]

I’m going to speak with the manager

[stoic garden]

do not say 🧠 deceased

[sudden pewter]

<@&1012034066876473384> Kill him with rocks.

💋 Thabk

[stoic garden]

crypto scams my beloathed

[sudden pewter]

MR BEAST PUT 200,000 RUBLE IN MONOPOLY MOVILE GAME

[compact tundra]

Oh never mind not a real ping

[sudden pewter]

I’ll die standing before I kneel.

(It’s a real ping 💀)

[compact tundra]

I respect the challenge

[stoic garden]

i posted a bazillion of them and nothing really happened

[compact tundra]

Just being safe

[stoic garden]

such as

#💣┇weapons-gadgets is my spirit animal made channel

[sudden pewter]

I’m sure even the mods understand the blacklist is overkill, it was provided by Nexon if I had to guess.

As long as we don’t overreach and stay relatively civil we’re fine.

[stoic garden]

civil and rational

[analog pewter]

btw how much is this known about? you can plink the spec and jump buttons and carry the speed of the charge into a jump, while having full control of your weapon
but the big dip is that it's like, a 1f input if you want to do it perfectly. and it's not far enough to be such a tight input imo, I think they should grandfather this in as part of the spec somehow. I mean you can hardly bhop it it seems like, hard as i try to

first one is with cancel, 2nd is delaying the inputs more so there's no momentum

[compact tundra]

Anyways I'ma make a 3 page post on why trans people are ruining the game by running riot shield

[sudden pewter]

Me when people ask for pride flag cosmetics:

[analog pewter]

id like pride flag stickers :)

[compact tundra]

Gonna be honest now that country flags are a big focus in the game your point doesn't really make sense to me anymore. Obviously you made your point before the big focus on national pride in the game

[stoic garden]

it is not a point, rather, a segment

[sudden pewter]

In the games universe the Majors exist. Contestants represent their nation/country/place of origin. It’s a facet of their character. If my contestant is gay, then he’s gay. I don’t need a giant rainbow flag on it to prove he is such.

[analog pewter]

maybe my contestant does want the rainbow flag tho

[sudden pewter]

That’s not representation, it’s validation.

A shirt with a pin here or there wouldn’t conflict with the norm at all. Maybe a little rainbow pouch too. (There’s one that exists for an LTM cosmetic iirc)

[compact tundra]

We're in a future setting where AI has taken over and people have escaped the real world for virtual reality. At this point do countries like that even really make sense. And further if you can show your American patriotism I don't see why I can't show my trans pride.

[compact tundra]

I pitched something similar in game feedback, let me see if I can forward it

[sudden pewter]

AI hasn’t taken over afaik, it’s just an accepted facet of the world. We know SAL (an AI) is the CEO of Vaiiya but as far as we know AI hasn’t “taken over”

Lore is still in its infancy unfortunately, I’d love to know more about the world. But the main characters of what we have are largely the sponsors

[stoic garden]

add rainbow rgb skin color

[sudden pewter]

A badge would be fine, a nod to pride is acceptable and lets players express themselves. I wouldn’t want something like a cape depicting anyone sexuality though.

[analog pewter]

my thinking is that the bourgeois competitors can be queer too, and im sure plenty of them would like to express that

[compact tundra]

I want a rainbow rave style set, adding RBGs would be cool

[analog pewter]

pride nail polish would be nice imo, maybe pride facepaint

[sudden pewter]

Nail Color would be a very tame start at the very least

[analog pewter]

nail polish is awesome cause you see it in firstperson :))

[sudden pewter]

Dunno about face paint, depends how it’s done

[analog pewter]

like a simple makeup set in the pride flag's palette (eyeshadow and lipstick, and blush) and then a small pride flag facepainted on the cheek

[compact tundra]

It's not really representing their sexuality as much as the social movement that gave us equal rights. The pride flag isn't just gay, it's all of LGBT+

[sudden pewter]

That could work, my nightmare is just FLAG.PNG plastered on the face. Would look super out of place

[stoic garden]

i want to look glistening and iridescent to overload the senses of 13 year olds as i gun them down with my rgb minigun

[analog pewter]

i agree and i also wouldnt wear it bc it's just not fashionable
im queer and like
i wouldnt wear a facemask like that LMAOOO

[muted condor]

Only if I get straight pride cosmetics with it (seriously why does no company do that?)

[sudden pewter]

Because it’s viewed as a spit in the face afaik. We matter too 😔

[stoic garden]

🥺

[analog pewter]

straight people have never faced social persecution and didn't have to fight for straight acceptance

[muted condor]

Iv always found it weird that it’s basically always left out

[stoic garden]

i take pride in my winch hating 🔥

[analog pewter]

i want the agender flag though because it's the xbox gamer flag

xbox GAMING

[stoic garden]

anyway time to boot up finals after like 1 week of insane barotrauma grind

[compact tundra]

Straight pride mostly popped up as a counter protest to gay pride. It's not that straight pride is bad but because it's only really pushed to counter LGBT+ pride

[analog pewter]

yea there arent many earnest straight pride folk but i think they're welcome in pride if they're sincere and in support of all

[muted condor]

Its like in the search for equality they flipped around and denied another group acceptance

[analog pewter]

well i mean
its like
"acceptance" in what sense?
this might be a discussion outside the scope of the finals discord tho

[compact tundra]

Uh I've never met a LGBT person who dislikes straight people. Like 90% of the people in our lives are straight

[muted condor]

Lucky you

[analog pewter]

my question is why do straight people want to be in pride when pride isn't like
a dominant social force where having that acceptance gives you social power. it's just a celebration of the work done by queer people to earn the rights they historically didn't have

[compact tundra]

I'm mean maybe, I live in the deep south so LGBT is much weaker down here but like most people are straight, so hating most people isn't really productive to ones life

[stoic garden]

getting ready to boot up

[muted condor]

Iv caught a lot of flack in my life for my identity

[small haven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Idiotswithguns/s/aLCz943dUr new light weapon leak

[sudden pewter]

Fake news. Boiling you in oil.

[analog pewter]

i want heavy to have a pallet of bricks and throw bricks at people

like the heavy version of throwing knives. they deal more damage the further they fall down. so high ground gives insane dmg

[sudden pewter]

You want a Hulk rock

[analog pewter]

lol

[compact tundra]

Funnily enough thats something you have in common with most the LGBT+ community. Especially where I live

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-blast-zone-l4d2-roblox-blast-zone-funny-gif-15554201610794698454

[compact tundra]

Bros playing the finals on a fucking Gameboy advanced

[sudden pewter]

Back to the topic of pride cosmetics: As long as they’re done tastefully, and don’t look out of place within the game, I don’t think many players would have any issue with something like that being added. (Outside of people vehemently against pride politics)

I wouldn’t want for example a full body suit + cape of any given flag, or vibrant hair of any given flag. My main issue would be anything overpowering, or that SCREAMS visually

Nails are an excellent start, and face paint when done well could definitely work

[muted condor]

I do know that discrimination against lgbtq is more prevalent than the other way around but I think the reverse is much more common than most people realize

[sudden pewter]

100%, victim complex is real and many people unfortunately find it fashionable

[compact tundra]

I'd disagree, it's hard to hate the majority of people, and straight normal gendered people make up like 80%+ of the population

[muted condor]

Iv had coworkers say things openly that would not be acceptable the other way around and no one even reacts

[sudden pewter]

I totally get where you’re coming from

Strength in solidarity 🤝

[compact tundra]

But at this point your saying keep your pride low key while I get to scream my American love from the rooftops. I see this as a personal view where pride isn't something that would be outwardly expressed the same way as patriotism within the games universe, and I disagree here. In a virtual world with people competing for money like this, there would absolutely be people screaming pride from the rooftops in the same way as patriotism

[indigo nexus]

That’s easy, all you have to do is be really racist

[muted condor]

People also say stuff to me because apparently I set off the gaydar which is really funny

[compact tundra]

Where I live minorities are not the majority of people and I just so happen to live in an area with rampant racism. Notice how places with large minority populations tend to be far less racist

[sudden pewter]

Again, in the context of the universe within the finals, Contestants are representing their homeland within the game. (The majors are an in-universe event). Otherwise, I’d say the exact same thing for nationality. There’s a precedent for one over the other.

[compact tundra]

That's a double standard tho, and that exist everywhere. When I was a dude I didn't hate women because there were double standards for a lot of the things around me, I hated the system that allowed it. Double standards are awful no matter who's on the receiving end

[muted condor]

Large population centers tend to lean more into regional/class hate from what iv seen. It seems like the divide between people’s identities matters less but where you live/are from matter more

[compact tundra]

But would people in the universe not represent pride as well. If our modern day countries still exist then I think it's fair to presume pride would as well

[sudden pewter]

Yes! It’s safe to assume there’s still lesbians and gays and all the other colors too, but they’d still likely present themselves in a relatively tame manner as we do presently.

Mind it’s not a 1:1, people don’t go around wearing ballistic masks or Mascot heads either, but there should be a balance to respecting the games art style or philosophy when asking for pride cosmetics.

Tasteful representation? If that makes sense

[analog pewter]

i mean the lime green alien and glitchy CNS dude imo kind of establish that just about anything goes

[sudden pewter]

The CNS Ariel makes sense in universe, they’re a hacking group that breached into the finals. Gateway & Gravity Cube have similar motifs and fit in perfectly. As for the lime green alien? It was S1 and everything was largely experimental.

On the topic of Ariel; it’s odd that in the SplashArt for S2 he appears like a normal dude, but his unique skin looks like a default asset?

[analog pewter]

im skeptical that a line can be drawn before pride cosmetics that are somewhat gaudy, I think the whole point of the finals' customization is to channel a sort of metaverse where self-expression is highly emphasized as part of your gameshow identity, and that would include loud queer people as well as alien fanatics, weaboos, and the funny cow fella from s6

[marsh panther]

get rid of swords and throwing knives, there are guns its so lame

makes the game too lame to play

[analog pewter]

thats part of the fun bro get with it

[marsh panther]

no its stupid

like then why have guns its just fggy'

[analog pewter]

i do think his unique face is a lot more interesting than what the s2 splash art would suggest

[compact tundra]

Why tho, why in a virtual game where people pop into coins would we assume the gay community would be more tame and limit their pride to nail and emblems. That just doesn't make sense to me. People run around in anime outfits and maid costumes, tacticool gear and over the top ospuze wrestling drip, why do we pressure pride would be more tame then it is irl?

[finite agate]

@dusk heath slur moment

[analog pewter]

i have the s2 battle pass unlocked but I'm currently working through the s1 one to get the golden cards and uhhh

this grind is atrocious LOL

[sudden pewter]

There hasn’t been any more cell-shaded cosmetics beyond the single set in S3, the S6 Moolah mascot tied into the seasonal theme of The Finals being treated like a sport (teams have mascots)

Not sure what to say about the TV head from S2 though, seems fine to me?

[analog pewter]

it's just quite out there, plus it's rainbow :3c

it establishes that your avatar in the finals can be basically anything

[sudden pewter]

It’s tasteful, one of the better head cosmetics

[finite agate]

the cellshaded skins look so fucking weird

[muted condor]

I agree

[sudden pewter]

I agree

[analog pewter]

embark doesn't have artists that can do it very well. but I'm sure if they hired someone who specialized in that, they'd have better luck

[muted condor]

I’m not a fan of the anime skin at all

[compact tundra]

I like it, it allows a level of goofy normal skins can't achieve

[sudden pewter]

I like the hair, but dislike that it’s cell shaded.

[analog pewter]

I love the hair but I would really like it without the anime shader. i want that hairstyle with realistic hair

[finite agate]

even independent of being out of place, most of the cell shaded skins look like asset flips/unfinished

[analog pewter]

holy shit bro we are kin that was the same moment

[compact tundra]

I can still get behind this

[sudden pewter]

The golden skin + cell shaded body makes people look like a Simpsons character

[muted condor]

It could have been a cool addition but they really did not design it well at all

I love embark’s cosmetics and art but that is one thing they completely fucked up

[compact tundra]

I think the way it's designed allows way more goofy than if it was more fitting, tho they did jump the shark a bit

[sudden pewter]

Oh you wanna be an anime character? Here’s a set! But if you use anything else it’ll look super weird and out of place

[analog pewter]

i want them to add more faces that aren't white or asian
i want a lighter skinned black guy/girl, for example. or like, an arab woman would be nice - we have one that's close but strikes me as more like, south italy or greek

[sudden pewter]

It’s an anime reference in a largely Japan-centric season. Makes sense but the way they went about it is weird

[compact tundra]

Don't curl the monkeys paw. This is easily remedied by adding more anime cell shaded cosmetics

[muted condor]

As much as I hate to say it COD has actually made some really good looking cell shades skins that Embark should take note of

[analog pewter]

its crazy to me that the beavis and butthead skins in cod look more like B&B than the ones in fortnite
despite fortnite doing cel shaded cartoon characters for years longer

[muted condor]

I hate those skins on cod but who ever made them actually did a really good job with it

[analog pewter]

exactly how i feel

[sudden pewter]

Not disagreeing, it shouldn’t be limited to just nails/emblems. but any cosmetics beyond that need to be tastefully done. Does that make sense?

[analog pewter]

wyt about sprays

[compact tundra]

Kinda, but that brings up the question of who decides tasteful. I would say giving pride flags akin to the national flags is tasteful, but you might disagree.

[muted condor]

Now that’s correctly ported cell shading

[sudden pewter]

Sprays don’t exist imo. I’ve never seen them used.

[analog pewter]

i would use them if the spray can gesture sprayed them

[muted condor]

They are to much of a hassle to place lol

[compact tundra]

They kinda just don't work in this game. Like I use them all the time in Fortnite but in this game it's just not as fun to throw a match drawing graffiti everywhere

[analog pewter]

this gesture makes no sense to me, like why doesn't it just pick the spray from the top of your spray wheel, or use a random one on it?

[compact tundra]

It doesn't spray anything, just looks cool Imc

[muted condor]

It’s for spraying in the eyes of light players

[analog pewter]

LOL

i just think like
its stupid
like why am i gesturing a spray can
i like the rock on gesture a lot more thats real shit. or the peace out gesture

[sudden pewter]

That’s a fair point! If I had to give a generalization for what I would personally consider acceptable (note I’m not the ultimate authority) then I’d say: GAY, THE SKIN is the direction I wouldn’t want.

[analog pewter]

this is cute I like it a lot

[muted condor]

The only gesture that matters is drink OSPUZ

[sudden pewter]

I need to find where the Thumbs Up gesture is from and use it on all the Heavies I kill

[muted condor]

The sound design for cracking open the can makes me thirsty every time I’m playing

[compact tundra]

I can agree but some wouldn't. I want normal skins in the pride colors, like I love my idea of an intentional androgynous cyber punk skin in the color style of the trans flag, but some would see that as too much

It'd basically be a light blue, light pink, and white cyberpunk skin with a gender neutral looking face

[sudden pewter]

As long as it doesn’t confuse Sexuality with Personality I’m generally fine with it. Any pride skin/cosmetic/flair should be more than just Flag.png

[analog pewter]

I like that you can tell the home run emote wasn't made by an american because the point they hit the ball is NOT when you would hit it in proper baseball

[sudden pewter]

Because that isn’t representation, that’s pandering.

[compact tundra]

That's more based on the person wearing it than the skin itself

[muted condor]

Id be down for cosmetics based on color pallets

[sudden pewter]

I’d say it’s more the degree of the cosmetics in question

[muted condor]

Are you saying that Americans don’t know base ball

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-geto-suguru-gif-8854911802965319870

[analog pewter]

"wasn't", bro

[sudden pewter]

Babe Ruth turning in his grave

[muted condor]

Oh lmao

[analog pewter]

this is the frame it hits the ball

[muted condor]

I miss read that and was very concerned

[sudden pewter]

Yeah that ain’t it 💯

Poor form, Embark will be flogged for this.

[analog pewter]

embark..... get in the crystal buddy

[spice cobalt]

also what's the point if the building is coming down 30 seconds later (me when I play with sledge)

[sudden pewter]

The sprays disappear????

[muted condor]

Well I don’t really like base ball anyways :)

[sudden pewter]

Why even use them then 😭

[compact tundra]

I disagree, this is more a point to people who use pride as their whole personality rather than someone wearing a rainbow skin. Its more on the person who's building a character to be like, ok this looks like a cool skin with pride colors, then ok I'ma make a skin that screams I'm gay. I mean the sets could set a precedent but not really make people choose how they implement the cosmetics

[wary bough]

have they made any changes to the ar's this season? feel like my ttk is dreadful, i mean so is my aim but it feels better playing L or H

[compact tundra]

Aight I'm driving home so ping me if you respond to something

[sudden pewter]

I can agree with that. People make horrendous god awful amalgams of cosmetics from various sets anyway, but as long as any given set isn’t GAY, THE SKIN I personally wouldn’t take an issue with anything added

[spice cobalt]

to the first part of your sentence it feels like every other match I see someone with the monkey head cosmetic on a black character

[sudden pewter]

Bigfoot cosmetics were a MISTAKE

[analog pewter]

dude the racism genuinely gets heinous, I've seen at least a few people with the bigfoot head on a black character and the watermelon hat

[sudden pewter]

It’s hilarious what people can create

[analog pewter]

spending money to be that guy is like
u gotta get in the crystal buddy

[spice cobalt]

it comes with the package if you have so much player expression like this, same thing happened with the emblems in cod and why they don't let you make your own anymore

[muted condor]

The moment I saw the watermelon hat and banana deagles i started laughing my ass off knowing what they just did

[analog pewter]

yeah i def see some transphobic caricature skins but I accept it as the cost of having gender-neutral outfits anyone can wear. ultimately it's "worth" the risk

I like that people can make legit femboy and androgynous characters using mixed voices and body shapes

[spice cobalt]

monkey heavy with banana deagles is peak customization

[weak kernel]

same reasoning was given by lobbyists for why stopkillinggames couldn't work, because private servers would be unmoderated content that could be abused. any freedom will be abused by somebody somehow

[sudden pewter]

There’s definitely a spectrum of silly built into the finals, the cardboard weapons and armor, fruit weapons and gadgets, Bigfoot…

And by the powers combined we get foul meat amalgams

[analog pewter]

I just like to be cute and fashionable. and I like black girls and the black girl face in this game is SUPER pretty 😭

[spice cobalt]

I saw someone with the old guy head with dirt as the face paint, wearing a tank top and a skirt

it was disturbing to look at ngl

[analog pewter]

im sure a lot of people are just being like "hehe this is a funny juxtaposition" so I cant like, assume it's meant with malice

[muted condor]

The abominations people make are impressive sometimes

[sudden pewter]

I generally don’t take offense to anything (a little silly is fine but I always respect the art style) so seeing the 1/100 player that makes a black watermelon warrior is a “oh yeah I forgot that’s possible” opposed to a “this isn’t okay” for me. And I suppose Pride cosmetics would fall into a similar niche

[analog pewter]

my goal is to be the coolest looking motherfucker in the lobby

[sudden pewter]

SAME, Embark give me more AA drip

[muted condor]

My goal is to mommy, I mean mommy, sorry I ment to say mommy

[analog pewter]

I want more dissun and iseul-t

[sudden pewter]

EMBARK, GIVE ME THE 6th BALLISTIC MASK RESKIN AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

(It’ll have the AA Logo on the mask)

[muted condor]

Embark give me a basic black midriff and my life is yours

[sudden pewter]

I want Medium/Light to have a second BodyType so the female models can actually look more feminine

[muted condor]

The one we got is really good tho

[analog pewter]

like look at me im cooking

[sudden pewter]

The Female Heavy Bodytype2 ||Mommy|| is a godsend, and I want that treatment for the other archetypes

It’s great we have some A cup representation, but what about our more well endowed contestants?

[muted condor]

They have disrespected medium so much

[analog pewter]

i want the peter parker animal crop top, or the bill S preston distressed top

would be amazing unisex crop drip

[sudden pewter]

Wait wait I have a picture for this hold up

[analog pewter]

they'd make billions just re-coloring the bill & ted crop top every season. white, then black, then pink, then blue, then red, sold individually

[muted condor]

Speaking of drip is unfare the clothing standards I am restrained to as a man irl

[analog pewter]

unlearn shame and you can swag out with anything you like
crop tops are coming back too btw, it's all about styling

[sudden pewter]

You will NOT wear platemail to your day job.

[muted condor]

I have the self confidence of a fainting goat

[sudden pewter]

I’ve been working out more and once I get rid of some more stomach I’m going to start tailoring some clothes

[analog pewter]

same bro i get u

[muted condor]

I have the opposite problem

[analog pewter]

you have to wear the crop top bro
you gotta do it
bring it back

[sudden pewter]

Nah that’s hella fruity and I don’t wanna send mixed messages

[analog pewter]

dang fr? it oozes masculine charm to me, ladykiller stuff

[sudden pewter]

I rep black clothes exclusively

[analog pewter]

im a west coaster tho

[sudden pewter]

White if I’m feeling fruity or on a date

[muted condor]

I already set off the gaydar while wearing the most stereotypical hetro clothing known to man

[analog pewter]

then do a black crop top bro, swag out

[sudden pewter]

Nah I’m 1/2 Sasquatch and my hairy stomach would consume people

MAYBE once I get more definition I can consider it

Show off the goods a bit, but not a moment sooner

[muted condor]

I just need to build a little bit before doing something like that

[sudden pewter]

I’ve always been relatively skinny, even when I was young. I want to beef up my arms and tone my abdominals mainly

My diet is fine I just need to work out more and stick the habit

I miss my manual labor job but the hours were ass so I couldn’t maintain it

[analog pewter]

I'm definitely a believer in male crop tops coming back and not being fruity, but i can def see that some ppl still think it's fruity so it's all about perception
in 10 years I will be proven right tho .....

[sudden pewter]

Nah in 10 years people will be rocking Ninja Turtle outfits

Man it’s so nice what we can discuss without 6h slowmode

[analog pewter]

this channel has kinda become like, general but slower and chiller

[sudden pewter]

Admittedly if #👂┇game-feedback was any shorter I’d blow my brains out

It’s literally a quarantine channel

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-swole-gym-lifting-yoked-gif-27561206

[compact tundra]

This body type takes up like 40% of my skins, I have a muscle mommy problem

[sudden pewter]

I’m the 20% that play a male Skyrim character. My only female is a support Medium and Embark refuses to let her have breasts.

[analog pewter]

defib is so fair lol haters are insane

[sudden pewter]

The trenchcoats in particular HATE boobs, males have larger chests than female models

[analog pewter]

id like if the game had some sliders for the body

[compact tundra]

Bro we need more body type representation. Like I love flat chested girls and a truly flat chested light could work, and the give medium the milk machine CC cups, maybe even D but that might be a bit big for the medium build. I also wouldn't mind like a Twink light guy and a dad bod medium to even things outs

[sudden pewter]

(This is the beginning of my rant from when it was introduced)

[analog pewter]

i appreciate that everyone has a nice cake

[compact tundra]

Fr the dude skins are kinda caked up in the right pants

[sudden pewter]

I’m not even asking for BIG MOMMY MILKIES I just want a more feminine model, I don’t need to see them in first person I just wanna be able to differentiate a female from a male model at a glance

[wary bough]

because thats what matters when you go into a gunfight right.

[compact tundra]

I think the current builds work well enough outside of certain tops. I want each build to get an alt body type tho. Like how heavy has the shredded hunks

[analog pewter]

it matters for me and my virtual avatar :)

[sudden pewter]

Damn right 👍

[sudden pewter]

That’s what I’m saying!!!!!

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/youreright-breakingbad-walterwhite-gif-5027043

[sudden pewter]

Just give L & M a second BodyType rather than get rid of the itty bitty titty committee representation we have rn

[muted condor]

I am glad we got some representation for them in a game tho

[sudden pewter]

Oh for sure, all sizes matter

[analog pewter]

I think it might even be easier to retrofit the current body types with some sort of sliders but idk
a lot of the work of making new body types is making older cosmetics compatible, because AFAIK each cosmetic has a different model asset per-body-type that needs to be re-fitted. but this can be batch processed since they all have the same topology and are based on metahumans

[sudden pewter]

I dunno about sliders, currently we just have 6(?) body morphs.

[analog pewter]

so the big thing after batch processing is going through and making sure there aren't like, obvious issues or bugs (but they already dont do this much)

[sudden pewter]

It’s more difficult to remedy clipping issues with slider variation than it is set bodytypes

[analog pewter]

the current ultimate BP has a cosmetic that's broken on its own, the feet clipping through the shoes because the tights mesh wasnt shrunk down to fit inside the shoes

[sudden pewter]

I saw that!

[analog pewter]

in this case it's kind of the same work since different body types are essentially sliders of the same base body mesh
it's all metahumans! the unreal engine human feature

it would be a bit harder though, because you have to add blend shapes to the cosmetics

I'd be so happy just to have "thicker" body types for the other classes

[sudden pewter]

I definitely want the Female Heavy treatment for M & L

[eager wasp]

we need like 10 different body types for each class minimum

[sudden pewter]

I dunno about that

[eager wasp]

i know about that and the answer is yes

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1381985482132688948/1749561411772.gif

[analog pewter]

i want skinny, built, and thick (plump or chubby) for each class
built and thick both have some curves, built is more top-heavy and strong, thick is more bottom-heavy and soft,
skinny heavy.... idk if it can be made to work but I'd imagine them being just a teensy bit lanky, like the current muscular heavy with a smaller waist and thinner limbs

maybe light doesn't have chubby and heavy doesn't have skinny. medium gets all 3

[compact tundra]

I solidly agree as long as I get my flat chested tom boy

[stoic garden]

i lost ALL my aim lmao

[sudden pewter]

I want sprays to be more out there, they’re generally treated as BP filler anyway so I’d like more of them to be animated

The more recent ones have unique bits to them, Odins Eye(?) has a pupil that tracks you and follows the angle you’re looking at it

[merry spindle]

Ok so is there a way to make the mini guns spun up sensitivity higher
Without changing my aim sensitivity for every other gun

[sudden pewter]

No!

[merry spindle]

I play on controller and it feels like I'm in quicksand everytime I spin it up
Iv seen clips of people turning fast with it spun up on PC but yea

[merry spindle]

Damn
I guess I'll just be forced to not use that gun then 😐

Like I saw flats use it and he's literally operating it like a damn SMG and I'm over here turning at a snails pace 😭

[muted condor]

You can do it on console you just have to b hop

[merry spindle]

Wdym like if I jump I can turn faster?

[muted condor]

Oh that’s what you mean

[merry spindle]

Uh yea what did you think

[muted condor]

You just have to let go of the spin up then turn super fast and start the spin up again

[merry spindle]

Ah ok I'll try that thanks

[sudden pewter]

Or fire while not ADSed. You’ll chew through ammo but you’ll retain normal sensitivity at least

[merry spindle]

Ah ok Coolio I'll do that too

[winter jay]

holy fuck ive been looking for that image for so long, i thought it was the funniest shit ever when i first saw it. comiclly jacked in the jorts at a pool barbecue

[compact tundra]

all the more reason I'm right and we should bring the spit up back to alt fire

[sudden pewter]

It’s already on alt fire DOOFUS

When you ADS you spin up to fire at max RPM

[slow linden]

The double jump event has turned me into a menace with the minigun

[sudden pewter]

Didn’t even try with the last paragraph, just “Because I think it’s fun! Balance doesn’t matter!”

[finite agate]

they want to ban fucking 💔

[shell sonnet]

whats it like with cns?

[slow linden]

It's beautiful

[slow linden]

I run both

[shell sonnet]

how does it fair with gl's and melee?

[finite agate]

if the winch was just a melee weapon with a cooldown on the pull as rightclick, would it still be problematic?

at the very least it wouldnt be combo'd with weapons anymore

[shell sonnet]

cant imagine its fun to them

[shell sonnet]

still problematic, but at least limited

but it does also kill any and all interesting strategies, cashout movement, etc. that it could otherwise be reworked around

[sudden pewter]

No sex 😔

[finite agate]

what if it could still move the cashout?

[slow linden]

Haven't tried but I'd imagine you could become batman with any melee and grenade launchers especially the cl40 benefit a lot from mobility so I'd imagine it's pretty nice

[slow linden]

NOOOOOOOOO

[spice cobalt]

they said it'd still be able to pull stuff

[shell sonnet]

yeah, but only on that one specific weapon
it would be nice to still be able to use it on other stuff

and idk how thatd be balanced

[sudden pewter]

Spear but on alt fire it Freddy fazzbear jumpscares opponents within 10m (20s cooldown)

[spice cobalt]

I don't understand what you're trying to say, it's still going to be the same winch just as a weapon

[finite agate]

it's not rly a srs suggestion, more ot less came up from a train of thought of the spear potentially doing a stab and pull

[spice cobalt]

hey we should be able to throw the spear 🗣️ 🗣️ 💯 🔥 🔥

[finite agate]

id main spear (i can play freddy without playing dbd)

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crash-out-angry-gif-15667791719891680630

[shell sonnet]

and its only on that weapon, no more ks-23 cashout movement shinanigens

[muted condor]

Also I just got done playing a match with the spear so my blood pressure is through the roof

[spice cobalt]

THROW SPEAR 🐒

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/crashout-angry-rage-breaking-tv-punching-tv-gif-8070434900809015776

HIT DETECTION HIT DETECTION HIT DETECTION HIT DETECTION

LET ME DEAL DAMAGE YOU USLESS FUCKING STICK

[spice cobalt]

you know, sledge has the same problem but at least with sledge you can break building :)

[muted condor]

I would have gotten a full team wipe during the final round but I was unable to deal damage for a full 5 seconds

[spice cobalt]

I just want to play this game to fuck with the destruction tbh

I wish they'd let us solo start private matches

[muted condor]

I just wanna play man

This hit detection is fucking ass

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/choose-choice-woke-up-chose-gif-23847919

[lusty garden]

you're so right

[spice cobalt]

thank you Mr poopshitter

[analog pewter]

I hate fighting snipers so fucking much, before this fight idt he missed a single headshot so I was playing with every nerve in my body engaged

[robust nacelle]

😭

[spice cobalt]

not the unwashed ass comment

[sudden pewter]

Bros ass so humid we call it swamp ass

[sudden pewter]

VERY BRAVE to RPG the cashout station to a lower floor without checking what was above but I assume you knew there were no enemies, good play

[analog pewter]

i did singlehandedly team wipe them

[sudden pewter]

Common Minigun W

https://tenor.com/view/thefinals-minigun-season-6-the-finals-coined-gif-9581155447877553437

[weak kernel]

light gets shot at by a minigun
jumps off platform to relative safety
continues getting shot at
immediately jumps back on the rope
why are so many lights like this you are playing the doesn't win direct fights class

[analog pewter]

he was confident he could hit his shots and i juked

for good reason he was a fuckin deadeye earlier on

[sudden pewter]

These are the same Lights that go to #👂┇game-feedback and cry

[wild heart]

Sledgehammer, Goo Gun, Goo grenade, Smoke, Gravity cube. If you wanna be cheeky cheeky try it out

[analog pewter]

this is my kit

[wild heart]

That's very nice, I love the sound that guitar makes when it connects

[analog pewter]

it's soooooo satisfying

I really want them to buff the KS-23 to have like one more round in the tube at least, and preferably not bloom while moving like omfg that's so stupid
its not like they need to follow the real world KS-23's maximum rounds since it already is 2 rounds over (3+1 IRL, 5+1 in the game)

[wild heart]

On God

[loud scarab]

Here we go

[analog pewter]

alternatively let them produce a small explosion on hit

[eager wasp]

full projectile again >>

[wild heart]

That would be fun.

[wild heart]

Have you noticed how sledgehammer's hit registration was fixed pre season 8 but now its terrible? missing so many hits that can't miss.

[eager wasp]

dagger treatment

[analog pewter]

yeah i got some overhead swings and even horizontal ones that inexplicably whiffed. i need to go through my clips but i have like hundreds of clips and im scared

[rustic fossil]

What weapons would you like in the game?

[eager wasp]

ANYTHING fun on medium, its so boring rn

[muted condor]

I would love a spear that deals damage

Oh oh and a set of dual blades for medium that can reflect bullets and has a three swipe combo that ACTUALLY exists of a reason

[lost plume]

I noticed that some people using daggers will run dash and try to dash through you to attack. Are they trying to get a jank backstab or something?

[rustic fossil]

I wish that there was like a head shot but for the balls

[eager wasp]

no, from the daggers pov, none of it is "jank" its all legit

[lost plume]

what is legit?

[muted condor]

I really don’t want any new weapons I just want the current ones to be playable

[analog pewter]

Akimbo flare guns!
#👂┇game-feedback message

I'd also love skins for some weapons that turn them into other weapons from IRL. like we dont necessarily need the M16, we could have a skin for the FAMAS that turns it into the M16 - IK they dont function identically IRL, but I feel like that would be better than making more needlessly similar weapons

like I'd love an MP5 skin that turns it into the Walther MPL

[eager wasp]

all of it, i may be misunderstanding you, but everything a dagger sees (which is what it goes off of) is legit, they are getting behind you by fair means

[lost plume]

I haven't died to it 😅

[muted condor]

Because it doesn’t work 90% of the time

[lost plume]

I'm just wondering why they keep trying to dash directly into me

[eager wasp]

they are tryna dash past you and flick 180 on you for a backstab, most popular way of playing dagger bc its the ONLY (not even viable) way to do it

[rustic fossil]

Because there people who think there so good with it the just back shot by a sniper or something

[sudden pewter]

They’re trying to dash JUST past you for a 180 stab

[lost plume]

yeah okay, so it's like I thought

[sudden pewter]

Squash them like bugs

[lost plume]

the cloak dagger has been far more effective against me tbh

comparatively

[eager wasp]

which is suprising bc thats like the worst one i would think

[lost plume]

yeah I mean if there's nothing else going on they're easy to see. smarter ones use chaos to sneak up

[eager wasp]

maybe you just haven't gone against any good dagger players

its rare to come across a dagger user

but even rarer to come across one thats good/decent

[lost plume]

also love that anytime someone asks a question in this chat, there's someone to say "you just aren't playing good x"

[eager wasp]

people love to think that just bc they can do something, its must be an easy thing to accomplish

immediately adds to their ego

[muted condor]

I will say I have ran into one decent dagger player in the last few seasons

[eager wasp]

i used to be part of said decent daggers and then my computers performance and internet have gone to shit, i had to retire bc 80% of my stabs just weren't counting anymore

like hit reg went to shit bc of servers, and so that on top of what i just said, it just is not fun

[analog pewter]

its a shame too because I'd love a version of dagger where the M1 TTK is actually competent, and you just have to use good movement to make up for its negative range
i dont rly like playing sword but I do like the tech sword has.... I have a problem with the input buffer on all melee weapons though, it feels so easy to get trapped in follow-up animations. like dual blades really needs to be able to cancel swings into deflect I feel like, at least before the hitbox of the swing comes out

[tight jolt]

Nice

[sudden pewter]

Easier to say “git gud” than address every facet of someone’s playstyle and deconstruct why they fail to perform well

“I keep dying to the CL40! It’s OP and needs to be nerfed!”

• Approach from Highground
• Fight from Highground
• Don’t fight if they have Highground
• Don’t take the 1v1 with disad
• Don’t move predictably
• Make use of cover
• Use gadgets to break LoS
• Disengage to reset
  Or
• Git Gud

There’s only so many ways to articulate “You’re playing Light like someone plays Heavy”

[slow linden]

Me likey flare gun

[high sinew]

i like gadgets

LETSGOOO

[analog pewter]

god the spread on the KS is fucking heinous, it's like you have to plant your feet STILL and yet it cant fucking kill anything.

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205760412507840572/1382867848552124488/1x.webp

[high sinew]

LETSGOOO

[sudden pewter]

Yeah the hipfire penalty needs to GO

[analog pewter]

the strafe inaccuracy is what kills it, why does it get inaccurate WHEN I MOVE?
NOT EVEN JUMP, MOVE

and the jump inaccuracy is AWFUL dude

[high sinew]

LETSGOOO

[sudden pewter]

Bro go to #⚡┇the-finals-chat to spam. This is hallowed ground

[analog pewter]

ALL 3 combined is just the worst, if they remove anything it should be the hipfire inaccuracy

[sudden pewter]

I agree, the hipfire penalty is what kills it tbh

[high sinew]

@sudden pewter my bad g

[analog pewter]

real flare gunlers know ball!!!
day..... 2 of asking for akimbo flare guns in the finals, lets say

[sudden pewter]

Make sure you copy paste it every 6 hours

[analog pewter]

no just every 24

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-intense-stare-curious-what-gif-1160420382243464002

[analog pewter]

guys how do i make the ks-23 fun to use

[sudden pewter]

Lemme log in and pull my build

[analog pewter]

more like the kms-23

[slow linden]

You basically need to stop moving and crouch every time you want to shoot

[analog pewter]

it has the most punishing accuracy penalties, like it is worse than the repeater or LH1 or revolver AND LESS DPS

[sudden pewter]

This isn't even Eclipse Shade??? Bro they're clean AF

[slow linden]

Movement based bloom is the worst thing ever for a Movement shooter

[analog pewter]

the stendo

[sudden pewter]

This is my KS Contestant

Barricade lets you hug cover, or fire JUST around it, cutting your hitbox by 50%

It's also a mediocre mobility tool for climbing or blocking rat holes

[analog pewter]

im sad i missed all the good cat tail cosmetics and only have access to the pink bow white tail which i dont want

[sudden pewter]

Ah yes the TWO cat tails.

[analog pewter]

i heard there was a black cat tail

[sudden pewter]

We have black cat ears and NO black cat tail.

[analog pewter]

oh i see
i was lied to

[sudden pewter]

The Tiger tail was from the Heavy Hitters LTM. The White one with the bow is store bound

Hopefully this October we get some purrfect cosmetic additions that compliment what we have

[analog pewter]

surely this halloween we get it. surely
it's a must

[sudden pewter]

(black cat tail embark pls I beg of you)

[analog pewter]

do they usually bring back seasonal stuff when the month starts?

[sudden pewter]

AFAIK no, but they've been doing reskins/recolors of older cosmetics as of late, perhaps times are changing

[analog pewter]

seasonal shop stuff i mean, like how there's a seasonal christmas bundle

[sudden pewter]

Oh, then yes

[analog pewter]

wicked
if we dont get a cat tail i might grab some stuff from that cute witch set

[sudden pewter]

I'd absolutely love the Witch hat

[analog pewter]

honestly great set some good stuff here

[sudden pewter]

No striped stockings or socks, 0/10

[analog pewter]

sidenote i just realized they should buff the KS-23 by letting you use it to double jump in the air. like give it a knockback impulse while airborne
(and also make it knock enemy players back on hit)

it's a 4 gauge shotgun like that thing would propel you

[raven flower]

fire vs gas, what should I take?

[eager wasp]

elaborate i may be a bit slow but i don't completely get what you are asking

[raven flower]

what's the pros and cons between fire and gas

both of them are AOE effects that does damage

[eager wasp]

okay i see.. oh actually thats a great question bc theres a lot of smoke being brought now... theoretically none bc they aren't too good of a pick, BUT if you had to choose one, i would say fire perchance, bc you can find a lot of fire to put out the gas, but even with the surge of smoke use, you don't come across the ability to put fire out as much

plus pyro nade is more instant

[raven flower]

I see, then which has higher damage? fire?

[analog pewter]

@sudden pewter dude idk how much of this i can take, it's like if the spread CAN miss then it's guaranteed to miss

[deft rune]

FUCK double barrel mains. u goddamn fucking bitches

[muted condor]

I need pink and white stripped stockings for no specific reason

[analog pewter]

here's every frame of that clip showing where i was aiming on the frame i fired or the frame before

the 4th one (3rd shot in the clip) HIT THE FUCKING GOO. IT HIT THE GOO. HOW

[spice cobalt]

Fire is for high damage DoT but in a small area, good for denying paths and sometimes for the cash out if it's in a good spot, poison is a slow DoT in a large area, good for clearing whole rooms and buildings if there's a team fortified inside

(or you could just level the building like a gigachad)

[deft rune]

fuck whatever dumb bitch thought Demat needed a nerf. for sure some bitch ass light main

[spice cobalt]

it's not that demat is particularly strong, more that the other specs suck lol, but I agree with the nerfs except for the charge count reduction

[sudden pewter]

Nerfs were warranted given how it outshined the other two specs, got some decent QoL out of it too

[deft rune]

it already barely worked on their temu ass servers

[analog pewter]

i cant stop thinking about this clip bro im baffled still

[sudden pewter]

Yeah, after several years of service its time to get a new mouse 🙁
I'm stutter ADSing

I don't think it's the game? But I'll hold RMB and it's like my contestant cant decide if he wants to ADS or not, flickering in and out of it before settling

[south wing]

Tuff

[wooden carbon]

Do you think they'll add more impact grenades? The pyro nade feels good to use for sledge heavy as a little ranged zone control and damage but it got me thinking that it is the only impact throwable of the grenades. Glitch nades feel like they'd be much better as impact nades.

[eager wasp]

nah, glitch being not impact except on shields is perfect, makes for hitting angles with em

[finite agate]

how the fuck

[sudden pewter]

Defib on TDM bro trust

[finite agate]

LMAO

also i have no idea how to make lh1 work, light flanking doesnt work as well without the burst

[stoic garden]

headshots 💔

[compact tundra]

Bro the new pants are too perfect with my muscle mommy skin

[compact tundra]

Bruh don't give bro ideas like that

[sudden pewter]

Dawg I just went like 17/4 on the LH1, its nutty

[finite agate]

any tips?

[sudden pewter]

Honestly? cloak

[finite agate]

...elaborate

oh and what sight?

[sudden pewter]

I was using the looking glass, but Im about to try the encircled one

[finite agate]

might give it a shot, maybe red dot's lack of magnification's hurting me more than i think

[sudden pewter]

okay this scope is ass

Like holy shit

Yeah Reflector is NOT it

[analog pewter]

demat needed a nerf but i dont think what they did was as bad as people say. well, one part is but it seems like they're walking the delay back? hopefully next patch fully reverts the delay issue...
but the glow and sound cue was a perfect change, and reducing it by one charge isn't that big of a deal considering its recharge rate is very generous. I think it's in a perfectly healthy state rn
I have noticed the grouping doesn't work consistently though, I still sometimes see holes left when i close a demat

[normal river]

Yeah, The top hits hard with my Goldskin

[sudden pewter]

Holy shit the KS sucks so much ass

Like I love the weapon but its finisher potential is WEAK

[lavish gate]

❕ Rachel will remember that.

[analog pewter]

I legitimately think rocket jumping (using the RPG) would be fine in this game. given the RPG only holds one rocket and it does a ton of self damage, it would have perfectly tough trade-offs and synergize interestingly with other parts of heavy's kit

it'd be fun both with charge & slam AND goo gun - getting up into weird spots and perching on goo globs would be so fucking cheeky

[sudden pewter]

Been having instances where I can shoot while cloaked, probably visual but its funny

[wooden carbon]

Given the amount self damage it does what rocket jumping usually does in games that have had it, trades survivability for mobility. It would also make the amount of self damage you take feel balanced out by the added utility instead of how it is now where it tickles enemies and nukes you.

[near scroll]

it just needs to be consistent, rn using KS is gambling

[sudden pewter]

I have the perfect clip hold up

[sudden pewter]

Im trying to destroy the zip, kill an enemy, and without moving my crosshair at ALL I miss/hit

[near scroll]

holding up

[sudden pewter]

JUST MAKE IT FUCKING ACCURATE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[near scroll]

this shit is so ass bruh

nerf its dmg or smth else for all i care, just make it 100% accurate AT LEAST WHEN STANDING STILL BRUH 😭

[sudden pewter]

Deadass a cointoss on wether you hit your target or not

[near scroll]

that gun will make you feel like you're ass even though you're not istg

[sudden pewter]

I am CROUCHED dawg and not moving

[near scroll]

i know bro, unbelievable that crouched not moving still has spread

[sudden pewter]

That being said, @muted condor I ran Spear in TDM and ended up making the enemy team rage so bad they:

• All went Heavy
• Started Turtling
• Started Bagging me

[muted condor]

I’m surprised the game let you deal enough damage to kill them

[sudden pewter]

Lemme edit it a bit

Here we go:

[vocal flume]

just died to 2 shots of a sniper rifle to the body as a medium

[analog pewter]

I think it being inaccurate is fine but make it at least not bloom while strafing???

the current ADS is so much worse than like, a proper ADS and yet the hipfire accuracy is treated worse than some of the rifles in the game, all while BEING NOT HITSCAN past 25m, and having worse mag size and fire rate. IMO the accuracy you have while crouched or standing still should be the accuracy it always has while on the ground, and the airborne inaccuracy should be dramatically reduced

like I think it being slightly inaccurate (as a slug shotgun) is part of its identity and making it pinpoint accurate would turn it into effectively a reskin of other rifles/the BFR and diminish its unique feel, but the current balance point is just so needlessly punishing and requiring you stand still for such little value

being way more accurate while hipfire than rifles but at the cost of never being pinpoint would make it a VERY unique weapon that can actually do its fucking job in the short to midrange and keep it in check at long range

maybe it can be pinpoint when you ADS while crouched still, but perhaps only then

I think it would be easy to make the KS-23 too strong or too lacking in identity.... so I'm just suggesting changes that would keep it feeling unique while making its weaknesses less crippling and more workable

[muted condor]

I wasn’t having a great time

[sudden pewter]

Winched the barrel oml

[muted condor]

Zero damage hit
Fallowed by the dumbest winch wiff ever

[analog pewter]

idk @sudden pewter you tell me what you think about that.
TL;DR:

• Remove strafing inaccuracy. all accuracy while walking is the same as if standing still
• air inaccuracy still exists but is substantially reduced, like halved from what it is now
• crouching, aiming, and sitting still will give you pinpoint accurate shots, but only then.
  • crouch strafing will give you the current standstill crouch accuracy

[sudden pewter]

IMO in air accuracy should stay as is, we shouldn't be able to bunnyhop with accuracy on a slug shotty

[analog pewter]

that's fair i guess, I feel like it's extremely punishing but I'd take it either way as long as they make it so you can fucking walk while shooting

[sudden pewter]

Worth.

[analog pewter]

||oh also IMO the sniper should probably have the counter strike scope inaccuracy mechanic where there's bloom if you're moving while shooting, and you have to be at a complete standstill for perfect accuracy ||
||but then buff it in some other way to make it stronger at its role, but weaker when used as a fucking * shotgun* the way it is now||

[analog pewter]

managing to get the triple combo is always worth

[sudden pewter]

He thought he was safe

walks through a mine completely unfazed

proceeds to walk right into another mine and die

OFC it's the fucking SWORD LIGHT

I have a super weird sledge game too but I'll post it later I gotta sleep

@muted condor Lets play WT sometime ❤️

[vocal flume]

bruh these melee weapons need to be removed, im so far away and still get hit, remove the special bonus wind lunge you give

[vapid veldt]

I'll take that nerf if compensated with 2 body shots to kill a medium, removing the stupid "becomes a projectile after 40m", and probably wall penetration. That is how hard that "change" would neuter what is already a trash tier weapon in a meta where every heavy has heal ball. The finals is a high mobility game especially compared to CS. Trying to nerf a bad gun with a change based on a completely different style of game is crazy.

[near scroll]

we still have people complaining about melee in s8? 😭

[muted condor]

Bru

You’re literally within 2m of a melee in that screenshot

[sudden pewter]

Naw dude he's so far away

Clearly what we need, is a stamina system!

[muted condor]

No we should remove the most underperforming class of weapons completely

[shell sonnet]

Say individual, why are you against iron on sniper rifle?

[sudden pewter]

The ONE downside of the Sniper, and the irons removes it. Without that scope it's a DMR, and INSANELY strong in CQC.

The scope removes situational awareness from the Light, and forcing the Light to fully scope for an accurate shot means theres a brief grace period where players can react. Putting irons on it greatly enhances its close quarters capabilities and removes the lack of awareness

[analog pewter]

honestly tolerable i think

[placid slate]

That's literally 2 meters

[analog pewter]

I'll give you 2 bodyshots to kill a medium but it's 125 damage exactly so any healing will make it 3

[placid slate]

Irons would essentially hybridize it into a slug shotgun

[sudden pewter]

A slug shotgun that can 1tap Lights

(KS crying in despair)

[analog pewter]

i actually dont think being forced to stand still to take a shot is a big deal in this game. this isn't a movement shooter, it's a strategic shooter with movement elements. standing still to place shots is a fine trade-off for a weapon that can 1-tap headshot lights at infinite range

[near scroll]

CnS shouldn't be able to multi hit

[analog pewter]

but i do agree that 2 tapping mediums on bodyshot would be a fine trade

[analog pewter]

CnS?

[sudden pewter]

Charge & Slam

[vocal flume]

its not 2m, its the best of the screen i can get im not even within 2m, i dont get why it would matter when my melee has to be INSIDE the players but theirs can be 2,4,10m away

[analog pewter]

oh right yeah i would have written C&S bc im weird

[analog pewter]

massive disagree btw

[sudden pewter]

Charge aNd Slam

[near scroll]

if the game decides so, CnS becomes the best melee weapon in the game and that's stupid 🤷‍♂️

[placid slate]

That is 2 meters man

[sudden pewter]

It's also very difficult to control, and easy to avoid

[placid slate]

Also I can't see shit half the time

[vocal flume]

thats not 2m

[sudden pewter]

Strafe in a circle and the Heavy cannot touch you (unless they do the jump slam which is also avoidable)

[placid slate]

Yea it is

[near scroll]

i'm fairly certain if the CnS heavy is competent that is not true

[placid slate]

There is a hard cap on the turning radius

[sudden pewter]

I'm a competent C&S Heavy and I'm telling you it's quite easy to dodge.

[near scroll]

? i can 180 my camera while CnS-ing just fine, it's just that heby needs like 0.3 seconds to build forward momentum after that

[analog pewter]

ok here's the change

• SR-84 now has bloom while ADS proportional to how fast you're moving. standing still or tapping crouch walk will maintain perfect accuracy, but holding crouch walk or strafing while standing will introduce bloom.
• SR-84 can't headshot unless ADS
• SR-84's base damage is raised to 125 and headshot damage maintains at 236.
• hitscan range increased to 50m

[near scroll]

also regardless of you guys' take on the balance of CnS, the fact it can decide to do 350+ dmg in less than a second is stupid and should be fixed

[analog pewter]

I would rather play against this than current sniper

oh also I would make it so it can't headshot unless ADS

oh wait
im stupid i lowered the headshot damage

[eager wasp]

idk what any of that says bc i didn't read it, but im indeed an advocate for snipers hipfire to be nerfed a bit !! very true

[near scroll]

you know what mad lad change i'd do were i in charge of this game? every gun is 100% hipfire accurate regardless of movement states, at the cost of something like dmg idk

[analog pewter]

fixed that

[sudden pewter]

Gamers, do we fuck with wireless mice? I’ve been using a wire since being a wee lad

Gunna buy a new one tomorrow

[near scroll]

i do

logitech g pro wireless for 5+ years at this point, i love it

[eager wasp]

wire is just better, never gotta change the battery or charge anything

[near scroll]

yeah but the freedom of movement is definitely worth it

[analog pewter]

do they make G502 wireless? i use that and i cant handle any other mouse unless it has as many or more buttons in a similar configuration. they're just too damn useful

[near scroll]

whenever i use my wireless while it's plugged in and charging i'm reminded of the wire-ful misery i used to be fine with

[steady jolt]

yeah it's the G502 LIGHTSPEED

[near scroll]

indeed it is

[steady jolt]

I use the G502 X LIGHTSPEED and I love it

[analog pewter]

the only thing i really want is the G502 but with an extra fin on the right side that I can rest my pinky and ring finger on
i have big hands and those fingers love to graze the mousepad

[sudden pewter]

I was contemplating getting the Hyper X Pulsefire Haste, it’s very light

[analog pewter]

i really want those pen grip mice to take off. being able to aim with my fingers better is something I've always been curious about

[sudden pewter]

I just gotta buy some new skates

[analog pewter]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/17iph6c/pengrip_22g_titanium_fingertip_mouse_10ms_faster

[sudden pewter]

A new mousepad too while I’m at it

My current one is WAY too big

[analog pewter]

this looks totally insane but in practical terms it's like what the Hitbox did to fighting games. if these become more accessible I can see them absolutely taking over.
they give you the full precision of a pen for aiming, meaning you have an additional range of sensitivity to work with using your fingers

[near scroll]

are you guys team rigid or soft mouse pad?

[analog pewter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UOHQEJtrfo

[sudden pewter]

Soft, I’m contemplating making the switch to glass

[analog pewter]

i have a hard, non-glass mousepad i quite like

[near scroll]

i used a rigid one before but swapped to soft and honestly the difference is not tooo crazy

[vocal flume]

you telling me the dumb ass sword has a 2m+ range of an additon length to melee

[sudden pewter]

Yes

A simple experiment for you:

• Hold out your hand in front of you. Take a note of your reach.
• Find a broom, a spoon, or anything really.
• Hold it out in front of you, outstretched.

You’ll notice objects extend your reach!

[vocal flume]

doesnt explain why my melee has to be up their ass to register but i can be hit from 3 to 5m away

[eager wasp]

bad servers, desync idk

[vocal flume]

every game? i know this game has bad servers but there has to be atleast 1 decent one

[placid slate]

It has 3.5 ish

Probably 3

[near scroll]

"my melee" as in your elbow or your melee weapons?

[vocal flume]

weapons, depending on the server the melee literally has be right infront of their ass.

there are times where its a bit proper but the melee system in finals needs to be revamped and adjusted

[maiden nest]

Would you rather fight against that, a screaming, telegraphed charging attack where the player itself is a projectile and can be killed

or a winch claw that can yoink you through cover and from 15m away

[near scroll]

saying CnS is telegraphed is crazy, u can be playing melee and CnS guy just presses Q then you take 100dmg
dmg is virtually instant with no time to react if you're already close to the heavy

but yes winch is stupid and needs to be murdered as a whole, whereas CnS is only stupid when it glitches out or if you're running certain stuff (which is still really stupid, one button press should not out trade dedicated melee players imo)

[near scroll]

i agree. melee hasn't been in a good spot ever, neither balance wise or game health wise, so it should probably be looked into to make the systems more interesting to interact with on both ends

[maiden nest]

I'm of the opinion that if a gun user lets a melee user into melee range, generally they should lose the fight most of the time?

Or is that controversial somehow

[vocal flume]

It all depends. Sometimes they just appear and on your end you are really far away but the melee seems to register when it shouldnt, even the highlight videos that embark does on their youtube show instances of melee being insanely stupid.

[weak kernel]

even when CnS literally instagibbed light I didn't have a massive problem with it because point blank is heavy's happy place and most of the point of C&S is immediate close range burst damage

was it funny to ambush a heavy with double barrel and instantly get deleted by one simple press of Q? yeah, but I wouldn't call it tilting either

[placid slate]

It really isn't that hard to get into melee range in most scenarios due to the game design, they shouldn't auto win but melees should get in and around shotgun ttk

Varying per weapon of course

[near scroll]

i would call spending a lot of cooldown, effort and time getting close to a heavy as a goo gun sledge for instance, only to get Q'd and get out-traded then booped so you're not even in melee range anymore tilting (also it can be used to run away as a CnS-ing heby can't be goolocked)

[shell sonnet]

but does the split second of a quickscope really matter so much compared to just using an iron?

[near scroll]

what do you think happens when melee heavy gets in range of gun + CnS heavy

[maiden nest]

gets slammed and finished off with gun

[near scroll]

and that's fine by you?

[maiden nest]

not really

[near scroll]

good
it shouldn't

[shell sonnet]

rework idea

recon turns the arena black and white, and gives buildings, walls, windows, etc. outlines you can see through walls, to find flank routes and weaknesses in defences
also highlights mines, turrets, etc.
(suggested before)
but, what if it was a gadget instead?

is this balanced for a gadget slot?
(seems easier than trying to come up with new stuff to warrent a special slot)

[analog pewter]

I just can't imagine complaining about c&s lol
Of all things
It's just too easy to juke to get this worked up about. If they hit you with it, they won the positioning battle and had a better opportunity than you did. But I've never felt like c&s has been oppressive when using goo/melee

[near scroll]

i do think C&S without the multi hit jank would be fine, but the fact you have to make the effort as the melee user to get close and they get rewarded with 140dmg at least is kinda rough imo

[kind stag]

data reshaper should make it so enemy turrets work for you

[spring spear]

that would be so hard to communicate during a match specially with how chaotic and fast the game is

[subtle crypt]

I think one of the better ways to balance recon would be to make it like the Warthunder Gen1 thermal sights, shows heat, but the environment also radiates heat, and it's blurry af (if you Google you can see how it wouldn't be wall hacks, but would provide vision through smoke, gas etc)