💣┇weapons-gadgets

[cunning lintel]

it would be really cool if the bow didn't deactivate invis while you were drawing the bow
would make it better and makes sense

[honest willow]

lsajflw

[restive plover]

That's really bizarre. But in any case, there are more counters than just those two. Glitch nades/barrels to disable them, destroying what the turrets are sitting on so they fall uselessly into the ground. Or forcing the fight outside of the fortified area by either engaging outside of turret range or moving the cashout.

If someone is retreating to go for a revive, why are you prioritizing the turrets?

And the ttk issue with pike/model is its own thing that must be dealt with separately.

What the hell?

Oh, alright then. Have a good day.

[unkempt moss]

Good gun neutralizes turrets very effectively

[hallow current]

This is definitely a whole new game since last season.

Having a hard time picking my loadout for the light class these days...

I wish they would buff the thermal vision so it's not a clumsy toggle operation to use that item...

[formal swan]

what is diff between vanish skill and gadget

[rocky rose]

Gadget lasts around 5 or so second I think, and has a cooldown. The skill can be toggled on and off, with the cooldown used as a timer.

[unkempt moss]

Gadget can also hit multiple targets.

[shell sonnet]

Tbh, it just feels like it offers quit little
Would it even be problematic to make it infinite with no cooldown?

[frank frost]

its so bad rn

[shell sonnet]

Like besides cloak

[frank frost]

feels like shit to use and needs close to 100% accuracy to kill a heavy

[shell sonnet]

Maybe they could have given it more ammo in return

Better range, similar damage as m11, but you need to stay on target for longer

Worse in close range, better on longer

I dont have much of an opinion on xp, i use other weapons

[frank frost]

no that just makes it an m11 clone, just like they did with the fcar making it more similar to akm which imo is a bad change

xp should have 18 damage back with more damage fall off

[drowsy pasture]

M11 mentioned

[shell sonnet]

So, you want it to be used at closer ranges...
Where m11 is supposed to be used

[drowsy pasture]

What we talking about?

[shell sonnet]

You dont want it to be an m11 clone, and then suggest something that does literally that

[shell sonnet]

Xp buffs and comparison to m11

[drowsy pasture]

Xp got buffed?

[shell sonnet]

No, nerfed, potential future buffs

[hallow current]

Good point... Like, you can't even see much anything with it on...

[drowsy pasture]

I think the m11 is better than the xp

[frank frost]

m11 has better ttk close range even with 18 dmg xp

[exotic skiff]

The Real question is why use those gun when lh1 and m26 exist

[shell sonnet]

So it would be a clone, but worse

Weapons should play more into their own niche

[frank frost]

because i mained xp for 3 seasons

i use lh1 now but i still like xp more

[exotic skiff]

Yep, but sadly she IS not great

Lh1 and m26 rn are the best light weapons

[frank frost]

people slowly waking up to the m26

probably gonna get an rpm nerf eventually

[exotic skiff]

m26 is very good

HML triple shotgun, tp in front of people is the best rn

[glacial prism]

What y’all think about the semi pistol?

[drowsy pasture]

It's alright now. The nerf is a huge turn off for me though and I don't use it anymore

Both are good

[exotic skiff]

sas12 is still the best heavy gun

[cunning lintel]

seems fine to me, I haven't seen it recently but when I first turned on crossplay it was terrifying seeing the lights using it

[vale mulch]

with what spec? i was thinking winch but idk

[drowsy pasture]

Alright new util idea. A stim for heavy that increases movement speed and fire rate. It will last 15 second and it takes two seconds to use. You will move as fast as light and you will shoots 10% faster

[exotic skiff]

yeah winch because it counter charge and that very good to just os people and win dual against other heavy

[vale mulch]

thats cool actually

[drowsy pasture]

Yay

[exotic skiff]

I think for heavy it would be broken, it would fit more a light immo

[drowsy pasture]

Smart idea to give the class with the fastest movement speed and weapons with the fastest firerate even more movement speed and more fire rate

[wooden glade]

It doesn’t necessarily need to be faster anything, but a stim that would heal the light, maybe around half the speed of a heal beam, would be neat for mid combat abilities

[shell sonnet]

Sledge heavies casually catching up to a light

Dont see how that could possibly be unbalanced

[rocky rose]

I like the idea of like a 50 hp mid battle heal over time

You would pop it and it would heal 10 hp per second for 5 seconds or smth

[shell sonnet]

Mid combar heal sounds frustrating
Especially on light

Medium healbeam already gets enough complaints, giving it to the class that should struggle with survivability as gadget would not be ok

[urban escarp]

Are the current s4 emerald weapon rewards the dagger,shield and flame?

[fair pecan]

They haven't been revealed yet but you have a nice guess

Being honest, it would be kinda cool if Throwing Knives had a ranked skin

[drowsy pasture]

Ok then medium speed instead of light speed

[drowsy pasture]

Each class could get a stim

[unkempt moss]

M26 is my favorite light weapon. It feels so good when you’re landing shots.

[fleet brook]

We're you using a macro or something

You cannot reasonably click that fast for it to have been a nerf to you

[restive plover]

7 clicks a second is not that high.

[drowsy pasture]

Yes you can

[drowsy pasture]

Was it really that slow?

[restive plover]

430rpm/60 = 7.2 bullets a second.

So not exactly, but close enough.

[drowsy pasture]

Wow that is so slow

[full plover]

Man, I had a few good games with the dagger but I can't get it to work anymore
Everyone's running Light build

[wooden glade]

That’s why if it would ever be a thing, we make it really not super good, like, it only heals 50 hp, which is roughly 2-3 are body shots? And it would only heal over time so it would HAVE to be used outside of combat or when not being in LOS. That’s why imo it would be alright to add. (Of course your opinion has validity too, it could prove to be extremely frustrating if added incorrectly)

[full plover]

It doesn't help that I'm lagging horrifically tbf

[drowsy pasture]

L

[night elk]

15 seconds of light movement speed on heavy is insane. Imagine getting chased by an m2ing sledge heavy. Medium speed for 12 seconds maybe? Also depends on visual clarity a lot

[drowsy pasture]

Ok fine then medium

Idk how much faster light is than heavy. At first I was gonna say heavy gets 10% movement speed buff but Idk how much faster that really is

[dapper depot]

I like the attention to detail they put in the foil but like why is it so wiggly 😭

[shell sonnet]

Heavies already go medium speed if they keep swinging sledge
So if they get a speedboost, they would be faster than a medium

[drowsy pasture]

How much faster is medium and light? I need to know that first

[shell sonnet]

Ive heard 7% being thrown around

If from heavy to medium, heavy to light or medium to light, no idea

[shell sonnet]

Tbh, mid combat it might end up being annoying, and outside of combat it might be worthless with how quickly light regens

How about making it for heavy
But you need to lock into a stand still taunt during usage, during which you heal a lot

Heavy tf2

Like, sometimes i take damage and hide
Where i just sit around bored for 15 seconds, and nobody even tries to clean me up

A heal item that allows me to speed that up, albeit with risks attached would make waiting for regens less tedious

Cutting regen down on heavy would be very strong, thats why it should be countered easily
Cant move, cant attack, cant be interrupted by the user
Possibly even make a noise to alert the enemies

If an enemy decides to go after you at all, youre dead
If nobody does, basically nothing negative happens on the enemies end, besides me being back a few seconds earlier

But maybe it wouldnt translate over from tf2 as well as i think

Tf2 is 12v12, so 1 guy with full hp isnt that much of a difference
Tf2 maps are fairly 1 dimensional, making it easier to find and kill the occupied player
And tf2 is less exploitable,cornering yourself with goo is quick and eould protect you almost the entire heal duration
But so would just hiding in a goo fort with normal regen...

But at the same time you could hide behind a lot more teammates in tf2
So maybe it balances out?

Thoughts?

[night elk]

Like the idea, mock-up stats I'm thinking of are 0.7 second start up that gives 50 hps for 4 seconds with a 90/100 second cooldown

[dapper depot]

At this point I can’t get in game yet but go to the firing range, record you running from one end to the other in all 3 classes and time how long it takes for all 3

[drowsy pasture]

I am not doing all of that

[dapper depot]

It would probably only take 5 minutes and you’d get your answer

[shell sonnet]

Im bored, imma do that later

50 meters
heavy, sprinting ~9.3s, walking ~14.4s
medium, sprinting ~8.7s, walking ~11.5s
light, sprinting ~7.8s, walking ~9.8s

keep human error in mind

[sullen mist]

Lazy bakha

[shell sonnet]

so thats
H, sprinting ~5.3 m/s, walking ~3.5 m/s
M, sprinting ~5.7 m/s, walking ~4.5 m/s
L, sprinting ~6.4 m/s, walking ~5.1 m/s

[nimble bronze]

Guys should they remove the nerf on the xp-54

[sullen mist]

Lewis gun

[shadow onyx]

we should get drill charge as a gadget, or cluster mines

[nimble bronze]

NO CLUSTER MINES

[restive plover]

Yes.

[nimble bronze]

That’s going to be pure hell

[shadow onyx]

we should get parachuted ones too

[nimble bronze]

Ya no

[sullen mist]

Gliding suits for light as a gadget

[shadow onyx]

ngl, a strike would be kind of cool as a gadget. like a laser designator where you could designate a target for a strafing run or something

[nimble bronze]

As a light I don’t think that’s a good idea

[sullen mist]

👍

[nimble bronze]

Because mediums and heavies are going to start complaining

[shut bane]

Medium pocket gl that fires off a utility impact grenade, either smoke, incindiary, glitch etc

[unkempt moss]

So the lights can almost walk as fast as a sprinting heavy? That’s pretty significant.

[shell sonnet]

oh, now that ive got you here, id like to ask you to discuss the whole medium defib situation, would be be open to that?

[unkempt moss]

Yeah. I’m at work but I’ll respond as much as I can.

Would DMing be easier?

[shell sonnet]

yeah, just respond whenever, i dont mind

[shell sonnet]

doesnt really change anything, and i kinda hope someone else may have some insightful input too, cant hurt

[unkempt moss]

For sure.

[shell sonnet]

imo, defib is too strong, which gives medium as a whole increased value

i have seen you and trent talk in feedback, and you would rather nerf pike/model over defib, is that correct?

like, as counterbalance to defib being strong

[unkempt moss]

No. I can see the logic behind lowering the lethality of the medium class to stave of the hordes of mediums though. In the end I’d like to see the defib removed as gadget because it isn’t possible to make weak enough that it becomes optional.

The defib gives your team an extra gun, spec, and there gadgets often including another defib. So buffing other gadgets to be as strong would have to make them equal in strength. There’s no world in which a zip line or frag has the value of bringing a character back for free with all over their kit.

[shell sonnet]

good that i asked then, seems like i have misunderstood

[unkempt moss]

However, I do see nerfing the weapons as more likely alternative to entirely removing the gadget. So similar to the hologram health, I’ll take that over nothing.

[shell sonnet]

or not

[unkempt moss]

I don’t think Embark wants to remove it. That’s why I think it’s more likely.

[shell sonnet]

it has skins, it wont be removed

[unkempt moss]

But right now I’m experiencing lobbies with 9Ms, 100% of them running defib. So literally any change towards it is positive.

[shell sonnet]

but i have issues with the "nerf the weapons" approach

[shell sonnet]

it would be positive to you, but with huge collateral damage

[unkempt moss]

In the past I said to make M have a passive for faster revives and refunding some ammo. Then you can just use the skins for the standard medium revive.

I don’t really want to nerf them. I do think the model and pike are currently overtuned but damage isn’t the issue.

[shell sonnet]

please take a look at my loadout, notice the lack of defib (dw, its in my reserve)
i play medium as mobile combat class

[unkempt moss]

I think this is a fun set up but you’re gimping yourself without defib unfortunately. I used to run almost this exact set up but a different primary.

Reshaper is my favorite gadget in the game.

I will say I’m a H player. So look at what I say from that POV

[shell sonnet]

imo, defib is too strong with any weapon (not just the stronger options like pike and model)

this loadout without defib is fine
this loadout without defib is not fine

so somethign needs nerfs

[unkempt moss]

I agree 100%

[shell sonnet]

however, if we nerf the weapons it would kill off this playstyle

it would make item choice even more monotone, since defib would be the only thing keeping medium at viable levels

[unkempt moss]

That’s probably true

[shell sonnet]

so while it may be better for some (in regards to something like your case with 9M's for example) and "more balanced" overall, it reduces a lot of the fun potential, which should not be done

[unkempt moss]

I’ll be honest Game Feedback is the worst channel in the entire server. It helps nothing. I usually go in there to shitpost

[shell sonnet]

i see that, hope it doesnt make you look unreasonable

[unkempt moss]

This channel is way more conducive to actual ideas and discussion

[cunning kettle]

I go there to hit people with the cardboard 4 speech bubble

[unkempt moss]

It probably does, but there is so much white noise in that channel it doesn’t really hurt.

There was someone in there complaining about the spear earlier. It’s hard to take it seriously.

[shell sonnet]

what did they do?

[unkempt moss]

They said it was overpowered along with the flame thrower and MGL.

[cunning kettle]

Flamer is really good against lights

[shell sonnet]

oh i saw that, its recent

[cunning kettle]

But like everything is strong against light

[unkempt moss]

As it should be. Specialized weapons like that should be good at something.

[shell sonnet]

and thats about it

unless they know how to press s, then its just bad

[unkempt moss]

Gamefeedback has turned in to the “I’m angry because this thing killed me” channel. It’s the gutter.

[shell sonnet]

i wonder if % based hp would be a good idea?

kills every class in x seconds, would make it more viable against heavies and less viable against lights

but it takes away from the uniqueness of the class system

[cunning kettle]

Pike is so op because it killed me!!!!!!!

[shell sonnet]

kinda going off track, where were we

[cunning kettle]

Lowkey tho m60 with a red dot is goated

[unkempt moss]

I think that’s a possible change, but I don’t necessarily see it as being bad right now as much as it is niche. That would certainly make it better but then you would get crushed by lights on a weapon that’s already not great because it’s useless past 10m

[fossil pagoda]

embark has zero common sense in balancing weapon the light should not be able to outgun every other classes and weapon and they buffed the most op weapon in months the throwing knives gg

[cunning kettle]

What

What is this #👂┇game-feedback ahh message

[exotic skiff]

frag is more versatile and used a lot more and gonna make you win more fight

[serene glade]

More versatile?

You eating it to refill your health bar?

[sand monolith]

Light loses nearly every ttk trade in the game

[exotic skiff]

if the game is played well you gonna use more nade than defib

[mystic nimbus]

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[zenith sphinx]

true they should buff charge and slam tbh all the people hating on it for no reason

[exotic skiff]

a decent team gonna wipe you fast

[zenith sphinx]

it requires so much skill they just dont understand us

[restive plover]

fr bro, remove light from the game cause medium pike and model and defib and healing ray is all super underpowered

[shell sonnet]

question would be, do you still think its preferable to kill off other playstyles in return for making mediums less present

[fossil pagoda]

the light is literaly easy mode

[restive plover]

so true brother so true

[shell sonnet]

thats why they have better movement speed, a smaller hitbox, evasion/ambushing abilities and a faster health regen
you dont trade, you chip away and clean em up

[sand monolith]

Yes I’m just saying light can’t outgun every class

[zenith sphinx]

BRO IKR they should just give light like 100hp and nerf every single weapon they have tbh

[shell sonnet]

fair enough, maybe i shouldt write while occupied with other thoughts

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/turtz-franklinturtz-franklin-the-turtle-patrick-spongebob-gif-25312548

[fossil pagoda]

i just think the light should not be the to play out of the 3

[sand monolith]

Light is the weakest of the three classes currently

[exotic skiff]

always has been tbh

[sand monolith]

Yeah

[cunning kettle]

Fake!!!!!

[fossil pagoda]

lowest hp but has the best weapons

[zenith sphinx]

lmao im done trolling but doing this is hilarious

[sand monolith]

Yes but light still kills medium and heavy slower than they kill light

[sand monolith]

Live feed of what imma do to u

[cunning kettle]

Take yo freak back to the other server 😭

[shell sonnet]

i do think damage is an issue on model, being 2 shot as medium is harsh
2 shots + quick melee to kill a medium and being unable to 1-shot + quickmelee a light would feel way better to face
in return it could get possibly a spread buff for chip damage from further away

on pike i do agree, though, damage isn't necessarily it
its a dmr, it should have powerful shots, i think rate of fire and hipfire need a few tweaks

[sand monolith]

Dm

[restive plover]

fr fr sword dash is crazy op, every time I use it I get like 300+ kill games

[warm gyro]

What’s a good set up as a light main I usually use m11 with dash or cloak?

[cunning kettle]

Dagger is more op it can do 320 damage in one hit!!!!

[restive plover]

so true brother so true

whenever I play dagger I just mash m1 and everyone on the map dies

[exotic skiff]

fr nerf light soo broken should not exist

[restive plover]

LH1 is meta rn I think because XP-54 and V9S both got nerfed

[exotic skiff]

lh1/m26 cloack, tazer, frag or glitch grenade, gateway

[cunning kettle]

Lh1 is meta but pike is literally just that 😔

[unkempt moss]

Ask me after I just had a team defib in my face three times and I’m pissed id probably say yes. Right now when I’m reasonable I’d say of course not.

[restive plover]

breach charges are good also, just put them on cashouts for free kills

[warm gyro]

Alr thanks guys

[warm gyro]

Thanks so much bro

[shell sonnet]

ok so, thats more about philosophy than balance, but why nerf the weapons if defib would still do that afterwards?
it makes the annoying stuff more balanced, but it still happens

like the unconscious thought behind it

thats kinda like getting mad at a game and yeeting your controller out the window

the actual issue didnt change, but now your controller is broken

[unkempt moss]

Well, I want the defibs removed because it devalues way too many playstyles to a huge degree. The weapon balance is a separate thing that I would like to see as well.

[exotic skiff]

I legit don't understand why you hate the defib so much, when it legit only put the guys mid hp and make another guys lost 2 sc for it on a fight where dps output matter

[shell sonnet]

i do think we should not remove defib

we should rework it if possible, otherwise just nerf it into the ground
an option is an option, even if it is a bad one

[sand monolith]

I don’t think defib is a problem at all tbh

[exotic skiff]

If you play a fight well people doesn't have time to defib or if they do it they just die the second after.

[sand monolith]

Just remove iframes

[exotic skiff]

Having iframes is fine

[serene glade]

LMFAO

[sand monolith]

It makes no sense imo to telegraph the revive only to not allow you to shoot it

[exotic skiff]

Defib is fine rn, you don't need to touch it

[unkempt moss]

If you don’t have the instant revive:

• lights are inherently buffed as their killing power is more meaningful, they also don’t have to kill things twice with their 150 health available.
• Heavies are nerfed because they can’t just play recklessly and then just be brought back to life.
• coins aren’t made meaningless and the strategy around them is restored
  And I can keep going.

[shell sonnet]

how long do the i-frames even last?
it feels like its basically nothing

[sand monolith]

But yeah if you nerf pike and model then MMM becomes bad again as all triple stacks should be

[restive plover]

1 second

[sand monolith]

If you nerf defib it’s still good and medium is just worse in normal comps

[exotic skiff]

MMM is not even the best comp

[sand monolith]

Yeah it’s not best but it’s the best for the least effort easily

[sinful dagger]

It isn't?

[restive plover]

tbh defib does need a nerf because every medium uses it. it's a forced gadget

[exotic skiff]

That just the easiest to play

[shell sonnet]

never, is it really that long?

[vale mulch]

i thought it was something like HMM

[shell sonnet]

yeah, that alone should be enough of a reason

[unkempt moss]

This is why I’m saying give them a passive. Then it’s not mandatory kit, but you still get the benefits of faster revive.

[sand monolith]

Medium has gotten -1 gadgets since closed beta 1 over a year and a half ago. That’s really the only reason why. Medium has nothing contesting it lol

[exotic skiff]

I think heavy need light rn because of pike so HML immo with triple shotguns, using gateway in front of people

[sand monolith]

Light has insanely good gadgets and needs to make actual choices

[unkempt moss]

What would you give them as a gadget that matches and or outclasses a defib

[exotic skiff]

In most fight the dps is what matter

if you defib sometimes you just gonna loose the fight because of it and if you execute an engage well no team would be able to use defib

[shell sonnet]

what youre not mentioning that the others arent bad
but defib is still stronger

if there was anything contesting defib, it wouldnt contest defib
it would contest whatever else they were originally running
now you have 2 forced items

[exotic skiff]

Pad is way better than defib for example

[serene glade]

Is your medium running a defib?

[unkempt moss]

If you gave the mediums a passive that allowed them to revive 25% faster and gave the revived a 50% ammo refund it would be perfect. Give the people who bought a skin 500 multi coins. Go nuts. Balancing around skins is asinine

[exotic skiff]

Yes but I am not using it a lot maybe 2/4 times per tournament

[unkempt moss]

Those are 2-4 times you may have needed to coin. Fundamentally shifting your strategy in the final round.

[sand monolith]

1. Sonar back
2. Heal bomb (works like vanish bomb but just instantly starts natural regen with a long cooldown)
3. Any sort of teammate buff
4. A placeable similar to APS that buffs the cooldown speed of everyone standing inside
5. Idk that’s all I could think of rn

[vale mulch]

HEAL SPRINKLER PLEASE 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[sand monolith]

Idk if I’d want this to be on med or heavy

[unkempt moss]

Heavy.

[exotic skiff]

coins have nothing to do here

[sand monolith]

It fits heavy so well and could fix the heal gun meta issue

[unkempt moss]

Let me make my goo hospital

[exotic skiff]

if you defib a guys who needed to coin, that call a suicide

[sand monolith]

Yeah a heal station would be so nice. Every class should have a healing gadget besides light imo.

[vale mulch]

heal sprinkler would have like 45 second duration and takes 3 shots to kill

[unkempt moss]

I agree

[sand monolith]

Would have to not start for a few seconds on place as well

[vale mulch]

how many charges would it have?

[shell sonnet]

you were talking so much about class identity, and yet you dont care about medium being support and want to share healing with heavies?

[sand monolith]

Idk I’d say just make it heal a set amount

[vale mulch]

1-2 imo, depending on the heal speed and if it stacks

[unkempt moss]

Medium should have never been support locked. It should be the average class, the median.

[restive plover]

just give us the splatoon sprinkler, heals but it decays over time, healing less and less until it stops

[shell sonnet]

jack of all, some movement, some defence, bit of support sprinkled on
should have been that way

[vale mulch]

i miss splatoon 2 😔

[restive plover]

I can't wait for splatoon 4

[unkempt moss]

Every class should have support and lethality options.

[shell sonnet]

obviously

[vale mulch]

maybe its one of those gadgets like mines where its on both

[shell sonnet]

i think every class is combat viable atm, issues just arise from the fine print

[sand monolith]

Medium has a ton of defensive util, it’s just not as good as heavy’s. Classes can share. Heavy is still the best for defense and med would still be the best for healing. The class identity would be fine. Also, a healing station would be strictly defense unlike healing beam which can be used in any situation

[shell sonnet]

fair enough

[sand monolith]

Class identity is important though I absolutely agree

[shell sonnet]

still a bit worried about new healing items
heal beam got a ton of complaints (and is still not fixed in my eyes)

[sand monolith]

Any gadget that cuts over should be generally weak

[shell sonnet]

dont take that for agreement, i dont agree on that

[sand monolith]

Laaaame

[vale mulch]

would yall rather have pike nerfed or model nerfed?

[restive plover]

both

[shell sonnet]

model

[sand monolith]

Model 100%

[restive plover]

both need nerfs, but we all know embark won't nerf either

[sand monolith]

Pike needs an rpm nerf model needs 100 or 108 damage and a small spread buff

[vale mulch]

never thought i would say i miss the HHM meta

[shell sonnet]

pike is an issue for lights, but i dont feel it as much on medium
model 2-shots mediums, its like youre playing light

[sand monolith]

HHM is still extremely good and arguably meta when played well

[vale mulch]

"Glitch grenade out!"

[sand monolith]

Double mesh is very strong with coordinated cooldown uses

[shell sonnet]

didnt they mention that they know the pike nerf wont be enough?

[sand monolith]

Glitch should not glitch the shield user it should just put the shield on cooldown

You are forced to put your mesh away which means 8s cooldown already. Glitch grenades make heavy unbearable to play rn

Thankfully light is bad everywhere else

[shell sonnet]

tbh, i kind of hope they will eventually make dev notes at the end of the page about their plans

"noticed the defib feedback, internal discussions planned"
"defib reworks in discussion"
"new rework being tested until next week"
released

[vale mulch]

defib should cost 50% of your hp to use, killing you if youre below half hp

[shell sonnet]

should help people trust the proccess a bit more and not freak out if something isnt nerfed after weeks

[shell sonnet]

split hp
you cant die by it, but the defibbed only gets half your current hp (which you also loose)

[vale mulch]

i was thinking so you cant just defib a teammate and escape, avoiding a team wipe easily

[shell sonnet]

defib trains specifically are worse witht his too since its 50% for the first guy, 25% for the 2nd and (should the first guy die) 12,5% for them

[unkempt moss]

This actually isn’t a terrible idea. This could work really well

[restive plover]

real talk can we nerf the enemy teams, like just make them all worse but leave my team the same

[shell sonnet]

less if youre already damaged

[sand monolith]

Idk defib just isn’t an issue unless the user is using an op weapon

[vale mulch]

and if the last guy is low hp already its free kills

[shell sonnet]

idk why it feels so different to you

[restive plover]

like I can kill 2 of the enemies, leave one on half health and tased, and my two teammates (who have not done any fighting at this point and are at full hp) still manage to lose

[unkempt moss]

Right. This is definitely my new way of wanting it fixed if not outright removed.

[sand monolith]

My previous game was again an MMM team in final round running triple AKM and it was genuinely fun to fight

[shell sonnet]

then thats just the enemy being stupid and feeding free kills, same as shooting yourself with rpg, warrented negative value

[restive plover]

after being defibed you cannot use defib for 5 seconds

[sand monolith]

Their comp was strong from mid range and weak up close. It felt like how MMM should be. High sustain, low cqc damage output

[shell sonnet]

still free hp mid fight

[sand monolith]

Like how HHH is high defense and low range damage

[restive plover]

same as having diminishing returns on defib trains

[sweet thistle]

Glitch nades should be impact nades. They feel so useless

[sand monolith]

And mobility

[vale mulch]

yall, what do you think about fcar being almost a worse akm

[restive plover]

you get 5 seconds to kill them and if you can't they can defib the next guy

[restive plover]

the akimbos in question

[exotic skiff]

It's actually better

[shell sonnet]

after fighting the defib medium youll be happy if they didnt kill you already
the defibbed will just murk you unless youve got some setup ready (which you wont since it takes 3 seconds for defib to finish)

[boreal laurel]

Agreed, itdoes feel just that little bit harder-hitting than AK

[exotic skiff]

Defib is Ur number 1 opp or what

[exotic skiff]

AK have worse hipfire, worse recoil and visual recoil and less range so yeah

[vale mulch]

rlly?

how so

[exotic skiff]

For the reason I listed above

AK is shaky as Fuck and the recoil is an S where fcar you just need to pull down and strafe to control it

[vale mulch]

hahaha

maybe ill use it then, iron sights fcar looks cursed 💀

[boreal laurel]

AK is easier and more forgiving with the bigger mag but FCAR rewards skillful use better. AK is just more popular

[exotic skiff]

And the hipfire of fcar is one of the best in the game, and a slight better range

[shell sonnet]

defib gives back 50% of hp, right?

[restive plover]

It's not.

[vale mulch]

"why do i hear boss music"

[restive plover]

The only actual benefit is the hipfire.

[sand monolith]

Which also needs a nerf

[serene glade]

Yeah the 50% and 1 sec invul

[restive plover]

Everything else is either preference or is too insignificant to matter.

[restive plover]

half the things in this game seemingly need nerfs (none of them are on light of course)

[exotic skiff]

It matter

[boreal laurel]

Higher damage per shot too though, that can make a surprising difference in certain cases

[restive plover]

But both the akm and the fcar are underpowered and irrelevant for now, so their competition also doesn't matter.

[sand monolith]

Lights stuff has already been nerfed

[exotic skiff]

Way easier to hit full mag AT mid range with fcar than ak

[vale mulch]

Famas\

[restive plover]

Higher damage per shot but the same ttk.

[restive plover]

do you mean XP-54 and V9S? neither of them needed a nerf

[exotic skiff]

AK visual recoil is so stupid

[vale mulch]

should i use iron sights fcar or nah

[restive plover]

Correct, famas is better than both of them.

[sand monolith]

Xp needed a nerf because it was too good for a generalist weapon

[vale mulch]

v9s nerf did nothing because who tf gets in a fight and averages 7cps

[restive plover]

The external crosshair in question:

[restive plover]

I can do 8cps...

[exotic skiff]

That subjective but I would suggest the sight because you see more

[restive plover]

7 is not high at all.

[sand monolith]

Cloak has been beaten to death and dash was always ass

[restive plover]

years of playing inkbrush in splatoon prepared me for this moment

[exotic skiff]

Doesnt change that you see less because AK is shaky

[sand monolith]

I can do 10 :-)

[restive plover]

The V9S is in a significantly worse state.

[vale mulch]

its not, i can get 13 but only when i focus on just the clicking

[restive plover]

I already had my carpal tunnel phase

[restive plover]

Not really, no.

nah, LH1 is now meta because literally everything got nerfed

Unless you're comparing default sights, in which case AK irons do block more than the fcar holo. But the red dot does not.

[unkempt moss]

Who was it that dropped the 50% health fee idea? The more I think about it the better it is. It fixes every single problem with the defibs.

[restive plover]

LH1 is the only unnerfed meta weapon for light

[restive plover]

Nevermind, read this wrong.

even then LH1 is just a worse pike on a worse class, balance is so silly

[boreal laurel]

Except M11, V9S, Bow, SH1900, throwing knives, sword…

[exotic skiff]

I talk about AK little jump when you shoot and that fcar recoil is easier. Better at midrange

[restive plover]

sword is not meta, I play sword enough to know that

[exotic skiff]

Always has been meta

[vale mulch]

me 😈

[boreal laurel]

True (I play it too)

[restive plover]

V9S is no longer meta either because of its nerf

[restive plover]

Recoil patterns are a preference thing. I find the ak to have almost no recoil at all.

[restive plover]

yeah, but now it is literally the only meta pick

[unkempt moss]

You’re the goat. It’s scaled to give lights more health on a full medium, heavies less. It significantly weakens the drive by and effects the defibbed player if they take too much damage.

[exotic skiff]

Fcar vs AK at mid range fcar will win everytime for example

[boreal laurel]

But I would argue the point about V9S, since the nerf really wasn’t much of a nerf

[restive plover]

In fact most people are of the opinion that the fcar has harsher recoil.

[restive plover]

Depends on who shoots first.

[vale mulch]

i was thinking of the roboquest revive system

[exotic skiff]

Both at the same time

AK is just a worse fcar

[unkempt moss]

Get on it Embark. Homie just saved your game.

[vale mulch]

bruh

[restive plover]

It's the other way around, but you seem to have made up your mind.

[restive plover]

embark does not even look here

[vale mulch]

might also fix the defib being mandatory problem

[restive plover]

they don't even look in #👂┇game-feedback

[exotic skiff]

Could Say the same to you

[restive plover]

all this AK vs FCAR stuff is meaningless, because both are just a worse famas

[exotic skiff]

Actually the problem is that they look here. They only made balance around casual

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[restive plover]

nah they look in #⚡┇the-finals-chat for balancing advise

[exotic skiff]

Not a single good patch for good player have been made since at least S2 or more

[restive plover]

Medium is just hard pressed for actual support gadgets.

You've got defibs, you've got movement, and that's pretty much it.

[exotic skiff]

You Can play medium without defib but not without pad tbh

[restive plover]

every time I play medium I feel like I'm forced to take defib and jump pads

[vale mulch]

thats real.

[restive plover]

literally 1 slot left for me to take a mine for cashout

[exotic skiff]

We could Say the same for every class, heavy need Bubble and rpg. Light need gateway

[vale mulch]

famas functions as a sniper too which is cool

[restive plover]

I play light without gateways and don't really notice a difference

Aps was nice until it was gutted.

[shell sonnet]

here @unkempt moss

[restive plover]

you can always use your dash with a jump pad (or any of the naturally spawning jump pads) to fly across the map with box

[exotic skiff]

That trolling immo, with the plug meta for the macro and timing on the round this is mandatory

[restive plover]

It's got the longest range, but I wouldn't go that far.

[shell sonnet]

dont you go stealing credit please, you silly snake

[exotic skiff]

And heavy need tp as movement

[restive plover]

not mandatory in the slightest, there are other ways of getting around the map

None of them are as good as gateways. They are extremely powerful.

[soft bridge]

[exotic skiff]

That not the problem but rn the macro need tp to extract cash fast

[restive plover]

I guess I'm trolling anyways since I only play sword

[soft bridge]

i play dagger and even i know to take gateway still

[restive plover]

Yeah at that point it doesn't matter. Just have fun.

[restive plover]

ok but what if I wanted breaching charges instead of gateways

Light is already arguably trolling in the current state of affairs anyhow.

[shell sonnet]

did you say that earlier today?
if so srry, just hold up and lemme check

[exotic skiff]

You Can play whatver to have fun but if you talk about what the best that another thing

[restive plover]

so true I should just play MMM with all models/pikes

[vale mulch]

idk ive just had the idea i dont rlly care for the credit lmao

[restive plover]

all with defib/jump pad too for the funny

[exotic skiff]

Tbh HML IS the best rn, like I said gateway for cash is insane or just to put ur heavy in front of people

[soft bridge]

afaik hml triple shotgun is meta but just harder to play than mmh and mmm so people aint be doin allat

[exotic skiff]

(not the easiest)

[restive plover]

but then you lose out on 2 potential defib models/pikes

[exotic skiff]

Can't defib people when you engage and wipe fast

[shell sonnet]

could have sworn i wrote something about that before, specifically remember a "discussion"

great minds think alike i suppose, what matters is getting it in-game

[exotic skiff]

MMM IS just easy to play but against good team with an heavy you get shred

Triple shotguns is just too strong and with a TP you dont Care about crossing an open area

[restive plover]

I'm probably least familiar with heavy since I don't see many of them

this is the average game feedback lmao

[exotic skiff]

Yeah because rn without mesh and all the Pike thing that not funny to play if you dont have a TP or double movement on ur medium

[serene glade]

People just go in there to whine about something that killed them or to low effort effort post copy and paste.

[shell sonnet]

better late than never, it is really is messy at times

[restive plover]

nah nah nah you don't get it we need more kernel level anticheat that accesses your credit card information and passwords

[unkempt moss]

It’s the tears reservoir for the server.

[exotic skiff]

Worse thing who Can happen dont

[restive plover]

maybe if we all just spam that in feedback they'll listen

Do not.

[shell sonnet]

ive had a friend here on the discord for discussing ideas and such
she made a list of all people in favor of her idea and send that to embark directly via a support ticket i think?

perhaps we should do so too

[vale mulch]

doubt it nvm

[restive plover]

ape together strong

[exotic skiff]

I think embark wont listen to them anyway (hopefully)

[shell sonnet]

cant hurt more than the "cardboard 4" meme thats being spammed
and this one is an actual idea, so warrented imo

[vale mulch]

its a good idea tho

[restive plover]

tbh we should just post the picture of that in feedback

[shell sonnet]

petition seems a bit off, just a list would be good

[restive plover]

It is not.

[exotic skiff]

It's trash immo defib is fine

[restive plover]

defib is not fine, it's a forced take for mediums

[vale mulch]

i was trying to refrence the "would you like to sign my petition" meme and it didnt work well srry 😭

[shell sonnet]

i was aware

[restive plover]

you shouldn't be forced to take gadgets

[exotic skiff]

Their is forced gadget on every class

[restive plover]

Perhaps medium needs more support gadgets.

[shell sonnet]

damage output isnt the issue, its that they get to dish out that damage for way to long due to defib

[restive plover]

does that make defib any better?

[vale mulch]

im either getting flamed for this or praised for this but i would like to bring up the heal sprinkler idea from earlier

[restive plover]

this is true, also why medium needs more support weapons instead of just straight up better versions of light's weapons

My eyes are stronger than yours. Weep.

[exotic skiff]

Not rlly but for example jumpad is more important

[shell sonnet]

if they are strong enough to compete with defib it wont compete with defib
it would throw out anything but it

now you have 2 broken must use items

[restive plover]

maybe if they actually gave cl40 some support utility in exchange for that nerf medium would have support capabilities

[unkempt moss]

Love it. I want it on heavy though.

[exotic skiff]

Defib is not broken

[restive plover]

just give us a splatoon sprinkler that heals, it's that easy

[vale mulch]

NO I MADE A SPELLING ERROR (instant argument loss)

[shell sonnet]

@vale mulch

[restive plover]

Damage output(and the range where that damage is being applied) absolutely is the issue.

[restive plover]

epic grammar fail

Defibs have already been properly adjusted to have counterplay and limit immediate value.

[vale mulch]

gadets

[restive plover]

yummy gadets, very delicious

[shell sonnet]

only on pike and model, everything else is balanced

until you factor in defib

you cant kill every non-support playstyle just to keep 1 item broken

[exotic skiff]

I really Wonder what game mode you guys are playing to Say that

[restive plover]

world tour, cashout, and ranked

[exotic skiff]

And what lobby u have must be full of bronze

[restive plover]

still in silver because trying to get to gold in solo q is suffering

[restive plover]

Everything else is balanced (or just weak) even when factoring in defibs.

[shell sonnet]

so your word against mine, stalemate then

[restive plover]

no I think they're outvoted

[unkempt moss]

Balancing around top 500 players is moronic anyway. You will always gravitate to best in slot regardless of the meta. If blowing your father gave you a .2% better chance at winning you’d be on your knees before the round started.

[exotic skiff]

Keep the grind buddy u will do it ( I boost if you want 🤓)

[sand monolith]

Yes. This is the correct answer. Alongside a model/pike nerf

[restive plover]

funnily enough I win a decent bit of the time, it just takes forever

[shell sonnet]

thats opinions, discussion is different

[restive plover]

And also a rifle buff/rebalance please embark.

[exotic skiff]

You need to balance around both but they only listen to casual and never actually good player

[sand monolith]

The rifles are completely fine besides fcar tbh

And pike

[shell sonnet]

but i cant be bothered right now because its late, so im welcoming it

[vale mulch]

famas legit mogs both of them tho

[restive plover]

top 500 should be factored in though, they know the game best

[vale mulch]

the top 500 is also 40% cheaters.

[sand monolith]

It’s okay it’s not as consistent and the reload is easier to punish

[unkempt moss]

Truuuu.

[restive plover]

lmao there is no way cheaters are giving feedback

[exotic skiff]

Not even top 500 just good player because most of them are actually dog

[sand monolith]

It’s like 5%

[unkempt moss]

So now most of top 500 is dog?

[exotic skiff]

Idk where do you have the info but that not true

[serene glade]

Ego stroking should not be allowed in #💣┇weapons-gadgets

[sand monolith]

most of top 500 is not that good

[exotic skiff]

Yes because majority of player are not that good. Most of insane player we had left

[shell sonnet]

anyways, its been a pleasure, gn yall

[vale mulch]

wait how are they top 500 then

[restive plover]

nah this is true, I have personally 1v1'd all top 500 players are they are all bad

[sand monolith]

queueing during dead times and grinding easy/very easy tier lobbies

[unkempt moss]

Who knows.

[exotic skiff]

You just need to spam every lobby is giga easy. You Can be a bit better than average and win 80% of lobby

[sand monolith]

also, a very large amount of t500 are pike only players especially from the first 2 weeks

[restive plover]

I wonder how good sword is in top 500

[sand monolith]

its not

[exotic skiff]

Top 500 is not even D1 so...

[restive plover]

ok but assuming I have perfect movement and dodge literally every shot

[exotic skiff]

Can't really tell you even with 51k elo I get gold and plat sometimes their is no one playing even at peak time

[sand monolith]

also true, t500 moves VERY slow. i havent touched ranked on my main since i got top 80 in the first few days of s4

[exotic skiff]

And their is not a lot of player in ranked as well most of player in the game are casual spamming powershift

[restive plover]

anyways embark should just hire people that play the game

[sand monolith]

no

[restive plover]

no to which one?

[sand monolith]

most t500 players have TERRIBLE takes and only care about how the game plays in high elo

[exotic skiff]

They should just talk to good player and do a council

[sand monolith]

they need to hire more game designers. they have 1 on the balance team only im pretty sure

[exotic skiff]

You need to balance around both

[restive plover]

their takes are balanced by casual player's takes

[unkempt moss]

Nah. Honestly they need to talk to @vale mulch

[exotic skiff]

They did not do a single good patch for good player

[sand monolith]

those two are just in the oppposite direction

[restive plover]

on the occasion that both top 500 players and casuals complain about the same thing it definitely needs a nerf

[restive plover]

so a balance of both is needed, instead of going all the way casual

[exotic skiff]

Good game listen to both and not only one side

Rn embark look at Reddit and discord to do balance 💀

[sand monolith]

top 500 and casual complaints are actually almost always about the same thing they just dont realize it.

low elo complains that light is OP because the specs are poorly designed

high elo complains that light sucks shit because the specs are poorly designed

[restive plover]

do any embark employees actually play the game?

[sand monolith]

yeah according to embark

[exotic skiff]

Yes but they are not the best

[sand monolith]

the games industry is very passion driven and especially embark. id be surprised if most of them didnt play the game

[restive plover]

do they do live streams or anything where we can see them play?

[sand monolith]

although a dev that doesnt work with the balance or design team shouldnt really have a higher say than a player

[sand monolith]

oscar the community manager does streams but he isnt a dev

[restive plover]

yeah but if the people at embark play they'll see the same issues as us and be more likely to act on them

[lament mountain]

why would i want this.

[restive plover]

because you love goo???????

who doesn't love goo??????????????????????

[unkempt moss]

Easy, bud.

[restive plover]

woah now partner, those are some fightin' words

[unkempt moss]

I want a helmet that’s just gooball

[sand monolith]

most players are very bad at recognizing issues

[serene glade]

Viscous sledge hammer looking good

[restive plover]

I think just about everyone complained about cl40 and pike

[sand monolith]

the amount of people that get killed by winch sledge and then ask for a sledge nerf is insane

[restive plover]

I never even see winch sledges

[sand monolith]

embark needs to be more in tune with different areas of the community, rather than a homogenized channel where you dont know what skill group the person you're reading from is in. and also hire more game designers for balance

[vale mulch]

when is the goo hose skin releasing

[vale mulch]

emerald chat when

[unkempt moss]

God this guy just doesn’t stop cooking

[vale mulch]

spam space to escape, or maybe its more like a goo trap

[unkempt moss]

I’d take a goo trap. The more of my load out that I can goo the better.

[vale mulch]

also can we do something with 3k vrs like using it to reroll the cosmetics number

[forest tapir]

Bee Hive Turret
Rock/Coal frag grenade

[vale mulch]

molotov pyro grenade

[gentle otter]

as a skin?

[vale mulch]

yes

[gentle otter]

that would be cool

[hallow leaf]

as long as the m11 stays the bullshit it is pike is fine

[vale mulch]

why is that valid

[exotic skiff]

Wdym

[vale mulch]

i think it has like 260 dps

[exotic skiff]

Like you think this is broken?

M11 is fine immo

[hallow leaf]

its not

[exotic skiff]

Not even the best light gun wdym

[vale mulch]

M11 is a low skill weapon but the kids that use it run dash (if you can aim its game over for them)

[exotic skiff]

M11 is a niche weapons

[vale mulch]

and appearently dash usage went up so more free kills

[exotic skiff]

Idk why people doesnt run cloack tbh

Dash is not great against good player

Yep but if used well that very good for flank and taking position

Better than a slow, short dash

[vale mulch]

cloak is by far the best

[exotic skiff]

I think even against Bad player it's better. But anyway everything is playable considering the level of most people rn

[zealous nymph]

i think heavy should get a railgun gadget that acts similarly to the rpg. it could deal less damage (like 50 or 75) to contestants, but then shoot a ray of electricity which penetrates 2 to 3 walls. could be a cool idea.

[lapis wigeon]

266 DPS in S3 (now idk, here some statistics https://esportsrambles.com/blog/the-finals-weapon-statistics )

[unkempt moss]

I gotta know. What rank are you to where you feel like it’s not cringey as fuck to sit here and stroke your own nuts on the public discord like this. Or what are your credentials. It’s crazy how much your gargle your own balls

[lapis wigeon]

When I am a sword dash abuser, lol 😂

[lapis wigeon]

When I played it on my friends wifi I could get like 5 kills lol, delay was like a second

[vale mulch]

i dont get running m11 dash like HUH?

[patent bloom]

akimbos are fun

haha)

[split kettle]

I feel like heavy weapons could use a slight buff, especially the lmgs

I started playing Light recently and the throwing knives are insane I'm suprised more people don't use them

[nimble olive]

that do you guys think is the best weapon to use for lights currently?

[exotic skiff]

I am not saying I am the best ofc I am not but most of the community is casual that all

Most decent player would Say the same, we lack of good player overall to have a good ranked experience

Rn it's just spamming without that Many effort sadly for most of the game due to lack of player and poor matchmaking

[soft bridge]

🗣️

[unkempt moss]

Just post a rank, bud. Like Trent posts his. He’s top 100 or whatever so if he wants to stroke himself in public for the guys here it’s all good. If he wants to say most of the top 500 is bad, technically 80% is worse than him. So he can grease his shaft on the discord for Internet points, he gets a pass.

But you just call everyone bad and wrong. Zero proof of your immense skill or credentials. So what’s up?

[exotic skiff]

Not on pc rn but you Can check my username is acousticretired

[soft bridge]

lol, i got u bbg

[exotic skiff]

I'll screenshoot my acc tomorrow for full proof

[serene glade]

autisticretard is a crazy username

[unkempt moss]

Okay, so you’re in the top 5. That’s all you had to say.

[exotic skiff]

Doesnt change anything if I am top5 or top 1000

[unkempt moss]

Sure it does. At least there’s some perspective on why you say the things you do.

[exotic skiff]

Lb doesnt mean anything like I said if u are slightly better than average and got a team you will hard grind and win 80% of lobby

That why I talk about the lack of good player recently

[split kettle]

I swear some of my teammates are actual bots and have never laid eyes on an FPS game

[unkempt moss]

You’re in the top like .0001% or some shit. You represent a set of players that is so small it’s almost not possible to balance around is the problem. It’s also the group of people flow with the meta because an advantage of .1% is a lot for your level.

Like Trent saying the defib isn’t the problem. His prespective is vastly different than the bottom 99.9% of players. It is a huge problem on the lower end. We can’t all be laser beam champions like you guys. We don’t have a set team. My third refuses to play anything but the dogass sniper and then complains about how bad it is. That’s probably representative of how a lot more of the players feel in the game.

The game can be successful. Arguably it already is even thought it’s not eclipsing the big ones. Balancing around the 99% makes way more sense on a balance and financial level. This game will never be a successful esport on the level where balancing around the top 500 will matter. The watchability alone ensures that.

We can all pretty much agree on a few things. Pike and Model are overtuned, that’s nearly unanimous among the community. On the shitty player end, aka 99.999% of them according to you, the defibs are unhealthy for the game. A change in the right direction for the 99% won’t affect you guys very much from what I can gather as they aren’t a problem either way.

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[unkempt moss]

Bunnes please don’t bully me after an effort post.

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/shoplifters-shoplifting-shop-lift-house-gif-19159615

[cunning kettle]

😭

[timber sparrow]

Is the akm still good?

what is better rn?

[timid orchid]

i like the AKM sometimes and the SCAR it really depends on how im feeling that day. everything is in a really good spot

[viscid ibex]

ok but fr here me out on what we can do for model nerf

[timber sparrow]

model is fine

[viscid ibex]

not even

its the most op gun ive ever seen

[timber sparrow]

I out aim them almost every time.

[viscid ibex]

yea not when ur in diamond 1 lobbies

like it should be 84 dmg full on and dmg drop off starting at 40m same mag size and reload speed but it mainly needs a dmg nerf and range nerf meduim should not have good close range weapons

[restive plover]

You've got the right idea, but 84 is a bit too harsh. Around a hundred perhaps.

Lower than 110 to avoid light vaporisiation with shot + quick melee,

[viscid ibex]

yea thats what im thinking so maybe 100 exactly to give lights 10 hp if they get quickmelled after a direct shot

which also means its a 2 shot to kill lights, 3 to kill meduim, and 4 to kill heavy

[restive plover]

Although if this happens the spread should probably be tightened a little. Both together would lean into the idea of "midrange shotgun."

[nimble olive]

whats the best weapon?

[cunning kettle]

poik

[nimble olive]

sorry?

[boreal laurel]

Pike 😆

[cunning kettle]

piek

[nimble olive]

no way lmao

[cunning kettle]

peke is indeed the best weapon rn

[restive plover]

For medium pike and model. For Heavy deagles and sa1216. For light lh1 and apparently the matter but only if you're running a stacked triple shotgun HML team who knows what they're doing.

[vale mulch]

what spec works best with matter

[polar trout]

Dash works well
Tho my friend is a wizard with cloak matter

[restive plover]

Dash most likely.

[polar trout]

Cuz the matter has a high burst DMG and no need for sights, it does work well with cloak

[boreal laurel]

Don’t forget the two LMGs

[boreal laurel]

Also M11 slaps

[restive plover]

Those are not the best weapons on heavy at the moment

[polar trout]

However it does well in sustained fights, meaning that dash can be quite good too

[vale mulch]

what is your friends matter loadout

[polar trout]

Idk he's asleep (so I can't ask), but I think gateway frag and stun

[vale mulch]

yeah id say M60 and Lewis are borderline meta but currently just really viable

[nimble olive]

ohh okay, I thought u guys were trolling me

[polar trout]

Solid 8 out of 10 with sa being 9 and deags being 10

Famas is so peak bro

[vale mulch]

famas is like peak A tier weapon

[boreal laurel]

They’re close at least. More sustain over time from the bigger mags, a little more forgiving…I’d take them over the 1216 any day (though of course Deagles are hard to argue against)

[vale mulch]

while id say model is mid S tier with Pike being the best

[polar trout]

Yeah my personal nerfs for pike are a lower rpm, cuz then it's still good at range where it should be good and keeps its uniqueness from the lh1, but is worse close up where it logically should underperform

[boreal laurel]

Also where are all the 1216 players? Must be in WT or ranked because you never see them in casual queues

[polar trout]

Not there, either. Since shield got deleted, it suffered hard

[boreal laurel]

Strange that people still say it’s good then…

The 1216 I mean

[cunning kettle]

its good but you die when doing a semireload cuz you can juggle mesh

[polar trout]

Yeah idk. Its still good, with some of the fastest ttks in the game, and a generous pellet allotment; I think people just need to find a new archetype it works well in

I need to stop spamming idk it makes me sound too noncommittal to my ideas

Another reason would be the meta

More specifically

[cunning kettle]

no

[polar trout]

The ranges that the game is currently played at. All the meta options in the game gave a good range. The LH1 is a medium range BR, as is the pike. The deags honestly kinda act like one too. Then consider the lmgs and ars are medium range too. Then consider all the nerfs to shields, with dome lasting 5.5 sec and mesh being ass now, your only possibilities are good and barricades, with dome still being kinda good

[sturdy sand]

Why jump when you can run through - Heavy players

[polar trout]

Movement is important however there is almost always a route around. I personally prefer zip, too

[vale mulch]

ugh it just pains me the amount of times ive seen situations where if bro had just equipped jump pad we would have won or gotten the cashout

[cunning kettle]

wait till you see the mf without defib and instead they brought pyro ndae

[polar trout]

Conversely, how many times would you have won the med been running frags or reshaper instead?

[polar trout]

Yeah now not running defib, that's throwing

Or rather those two have a less measurable impact, so you don't realize and thus don't get annoyed by it when you lose due to that

[sturdy sand]

What’s the heavy equivalent? No RPG?

[cunning kettle]

and ive met a medium who ran heal beam and cl40, yet they didnt use healbeam at all (i was a heavy) and they just died to self damage 3/4 times

[cunning kettle]

no defensive like barricade or dome

[sturdy sand]

Ok real

[polar trout]

Eh, I guess so, but rpg isn't as necessary to h as defib is to m.

[cunning kettle]

for light its gateway

pyro smoke gas 💀

[polar trout]

There's a difference between good shit and must pick things, and I think the only must pick is defib.

[polar trout]

What the fuck you just made me really uncomfortable stop it

[cunning kettle]

id say defib isnt a must-have but you are throwing if you dont have it

[polar trout]

I felt a disturbance in the force for a sec there

[polar trout]

...so to win, you must have it?

[cunning kettle]

Nah you can win if you don’t have it but you have a much better chance at winning if you did have it

[boreal laurel]

As long as you let me keep my demat, I’ll bring defibs every time 😉

[polar trout]

Demat is my pookie

Ngl s2 was the best imo. Added some of the coolest shit

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-23745334

I must represent ENGIMO in every way I can.

[polar trout]

3

Ranking is 2413 for me.

2 added the most and coolest stuff, an awesome map, and had cool effects on the CNS skins. 4 adds awesome weapons that finally shake the meta, and a nice map, plus my company is featured heavily in the bp. 1 added like tks and banish iirc, but it was just dumb fun. It's when I started so I don't have a super solid opinion. However 3 added a hook (hooks suck no matter the game), 2 melee weapons ain't nobody wanted (blades should be on light I wanna see what it would be like, and spear is just worse than sledge except in like 2 scenarios), a bow that... exists, and then a pretty good breaching gadget for the light. Prolly the peak of aesthetic with the bp tho.

[heavy tundra]

is the ENGIMO circuit going to stay active for the entire season or will it be locked out after tonight?

[delicate nexus]

the next circuit will start

[restive plover]

nerf the model

[errant wren]

Better lineup 2 lights one medium or 1 light 2 mediums

[spice vigil]

real season 1 had the limited events with different rules and cool loadouts, which only happened once i think in S2, then never again

[restive plover]

Two mediums. Two lights + anything just does not work.

[viral dove]

can one of you tell me stun gun changes history

[torn mantle]

Does anyone have an updated weapon stat sheet?

[spice vigil]

roughly - season 1 broken, stops specialisations and gadgets (maybe ads i dont remember_ season 2 nerfed to shit and didnt cancel either, currently stops specialisations but not gadgetrs (might be wrong on this)

[cunning kettle]

check zafferman's bio

[halcyon brook]

Ruh roh

[reef vector]

[spice vigil]

[reef vector]

i dont wanna start a sponsor war so im just going to say this once, ENGIMO is superior

[cunning kettle]

i beg to differ

[restive plover]

Please nerf the model

[cunning kettle]

no model is underpowered

[restive plover]

Tf u mean two taps a med

[cunning kettle]

but it only 3 taps h

[restive plover]

That’s crazy still

[cunning kettle]

it needs to 1 tap or its bad

[restive plover]

Your obv not a high ranked player

[cunning kettle]

sniper outranges and outdamages it

[restive plover]

I can tell ur not a high ranked player

256 damage in two shots!!!

The meta is only pike and model

[covert smelt]

👍

[exotic skiff]

I dont totally agree on that if you only make balance for the lower end all people that want to tryhard a bit the game will leave. And that happen already in previous Season because all the balancing rn are around the lower end. They need to at least try to listen a bit ranked player. All balancing rn are about what people complain in Reddit and discord.

[stiff vine]

its impossible to balance around both ranked and casual.

[cunning kettle]

just started today

[shell sonnet]

balance? yes

but imo there is a clear "winner" on which they should focus
casuals dont necessarily mind being worse off and want to have fun, but a broken item will still ruin the fun for them
ranked players will just use whatever is strongest to speed up the grind

if you balance for ranked, you possibly ruin the fun for all casuals, if you balance for casual, you at most get monotone ranked loadouts

[mystic nimbus]

bro got rage baited

[exotic skiff]

Nah it's possible, and if you do not that how game become dog and died

[cunning kettle]

bro saw that i said that it needs to 1 tap H or else it was bad and didnt catch the fact that i was majorly trolling him

[fleet brook]

Ewwee brother

[fleet brook]

I think the problem with this games balance philosophy is that they only nerf things a lot or over buff them or often times take back buffs so they're just playing whack a mole with the current issue

After the model which has been largely the same for 2ish seasons another gun that no one complained about without number tweaks will skyrocket because when you take away peoples options they'll find or make another one or just stop enjoying playing M but play it anyways because it's necessary for comp

The last one is the direction I see heavy going towards

[polar trout]

Damn I kinda forgot it used to stop ads
You brought back some trauma

[sand monolith]

Not really, after the fcar was nerfed in 2.6, people thought AKM was the next best weapon. And then nobody complained about it despite it being the perceived meta pick on medium. People actually praised the balancing done to the medium class because it finally felt fair to fight against

This game teeters on the edge of over nerfing things but usually when they do, it gets buffed back pretty quick

[jade violet]

guys do u think M26 is better than SH1900 now

im trying cloak M26 lately

I feel that M26 is more better than SH

[willow oyster]

I walk a lonely road

[jade violet]

ok forget what I say

SH1900 still the best

just my problem

[muted hornet]

No chance.

[spiral pilot]

sh1900 is still better, you go in and make a very quick kill and then you go out, matter plays more like a worse m11

[swift cradle]

It's still a good weapon. But I think m26 is more flexible in my opinion. Sh is much more reliable for kills, but only having 2 shots can be awkward sometimes

[split kettle]

eh i feel like model is alright tbh

[swift cradle]

Being able to chase and ship constantly is the best selling point for the m26 imo.

You can't run away from m26 with dash. And it's kinda funny ro watch.

[unkempt moss]

M26 is by far the funnest light weapon. They nailed the feel and cadence of it.

[hardy dust]

M26 is great in casual but the more I use it the worse I feel it is.

Worse as in weak.

It really depends but you could definitely make it work, but most of the time I'd rather have sh1900.

[sand monolith]

There was recently a tournament won by a triple shotgun comp with m26, model, sa1216. It was HML role locked so I’m not sure how much it would do in a ranked game but it’s definitely not bad

I think DB is better though

[hardy dust]

If db didn't exist I'd think it was much better honestly.

[sand monolith]

DB puts a ton of pressure on the enemy just by existing

[hardy dust]

Also, just running a medium with model is outright better.

[sand monolith]

Yeah easily

Balanced weapon tho frfr

[hardy dust]

But if model gets nerfed it's gonna be worth something finally.

[sand monolith]

Unless model only gets a range nerf

[hardy dust]

Depends how severe ig.

[swift cradle]

I think the ttk on m26 is very solid honestly. And the range is maybe a bit worse than the model.

But the fire rate is much faster than model.

Db killing in 2 shots just make it much more competitive considering it's on light class imo

Model is strong, but I'd rather it be where it is or get a dmg fall off nerf.

Im not interested in overnerfing weapons rn. Since a lot of weapons are all weaker than they were in s1

[restive plover]

It should have the damage nerfed but keep the range.

[obsidian nexus]

REMOVE SNIPER

[restive plover]

How are you still bitching about that?

[amber cloak]

Sniper is balanced now

There is literally nothing wrong with it. We got projectile, so ....

[restive plover]

It was already fine, just annoying in power shift because power shift is a bad mode.

[amber cloak]

Well that's just modes

[drowsy pasture]

?

[amber cloak]

Nothing to do with the gun itself

[restive plover]

Yeah exactly.

The gun was fine.

[drowsy pasture]

Which gun is the m26 again?

Is that the grenade launcher?

[restive plover]

Light's new shotgun.

[amber cloak]

But it takes more skill now

[drowsy pasture]

Oh that thing is poo

[restive plover]

Mgl32 is the grenade launcher.

[amber cloak]

Best nade launcher

[restive plover]

Is currently useless for actual sniping*

[drowsy pasture]

The light's sniper should one shot headshot and have more bullet travel

One shots light, one shots med, and 300 DMG to heavy

[restive plover]

That is also a bad idea.

[drowsy pasture]

Decrease fire rate, increase bullet travel time

[sand monolith]

Nerf damage and keep range

[winter badge]

what's the overall opinion on the XP-54? it feels like garbage to me if i miss a few bullets, but that maybe a skill issue

[restive plover]

It's garbage in general now. It was nerfed way too hard.

[swift cradle]

That was the point of the xp nerf. Missing bullets makes the gun feel much worse.

It's ttk is slightly less if you can hit every shot. But no mag size compensation means you have to be more accurate more often.

[ornate juniper]

Perfectly balanced now

[winter badge]

thx, i watched a few tier videos and everyone was placing it like A tier, so I just expeditiously the videos

closed the videos***

[swift cradle]

It's still a good gun just noticeably weaker. At closer ranges, the m11 is much more effective

And the mag size is better

[winter badge]

yeah i just feel if i hit 80% of my shots, the enemy will be at like 50% health

im not a fan of the m11 style wise, but i cant deny that its currently one of the best light weapons rn

[covert parcel]

vod?

[unkempt moss]

You’re in touch with the comp scene. Do they use the defib on these comp teams? I want to see how they’re dealing with it. I don’t see it getting nerfed so I need to learn to play around it.

[shell sonnet]

hey @unkempt moss , did i ever tell you of the rework idea i had for goo guns m2?

[unkempt moss]

Were you the one that wanted to toggle select modes?

[sand monolith]

Idk if there’s a vod but if there is then it’ll be here https://www.twitch.tv/waltzcasts

[unkempt moss]

I see you’re still fighting to good fight in Feedback, RS. You’re a true patriot.

[shell sonnet]

not sure what thats supposed to be
my idea was a chargeable goo-wrecking-ball that shoots out at high speeds, but is unable to damage enemies

as breaching tool

[shell sonnet]

:)
just trying to make a point for what i think is right
hopefully it eventually helps make the game more fun

[unkempt moss]

If you give me destructive goo I’ll kiss you

[shell sonnet]

actually let me test that, i think they changed something about goo interactions, but im not sure

[cyan bobcat]

nerf riot fr

its way too political

[shell sonnet]

naaaaah

[cyan bobcat]

anyways

[shell sonnet]

they changed it
you used to be able to throw a goo canister, break it in the air, and have it break whatever it falls on, like floors, doesnt to that anymore

goo gun shouldve done that, but like sideways n stuff

[unkempt moss]

That would be incredible

[cyan bobcat]

FAMAS GOT A NEW SKIN RRRAAAAAAGGHH

FAMAS MY BELOVED

[shell sonnet]

i thought i had a clip of it, dont apperantly, maybe on youtube?

yes, exactly that
used to break floors, doesnt

could have been a good goo gun m2 rework

[cunning kettle]

goo gun buff when

[oak galleon]

What do you guys think about putting the defibs on heal beam's right-click? I feel like they should do it, because it's both a buff and a nerf - frees up one gadget slot for heal beam/defib mediums, but also allows them to make it so that the beam is inactive for a bit after using defibs. Would hopefully cut down on triple medium stacks too, or at least make them more balanced.

[cunning kettle]

god please no i dont need glitch trap AND defib with double movement model

[cyan bobcat]

did they nerf famas? it feels like i cant deal any dmg w/ it

[cunning kettle]

not that i know of

in fact, s4 sights should be a buff because the irons on it were kinda mid

lowkey what if they give pike the s1 lh1 camera recoil

[oak galleon]

Don't get me wrong that would happen, but imo that's nowhere near as bad as having these triple medium teams that are up in 2 seconds if you don't put em all down. I'd take one annoying medium over a whole annoying TEAM, I can work with that

[gusty otter]

I'm just getting into this game. It's hella addictive. Can anyone tell me if the xp-54 is still viable?

[cunning kettle]

hell naw that things a peashooter after the nerf

it works for casual and its still fun to beam people but its damage per mag and ranged damage are pretty bad now

[unkempt moss]

I see what you mean. The charge of the defib eating the heal bean charge kind of makes sense, but it would be on a really short cooldown if you’re just waiting for the gun to recharge.

[gusty otter]

I didn't know if it was just me being a nub or the weapon was just trash. Thanks for the help.👍 It really sux cause I'm an HK MP5 fan.😭

[cyan bobcat]

how is matter better than m11? did it get a buff now?

[spiral pilot]

matter isnt that great

[cyan bobcat]

id still rather play w/ double barrel

depends on playstyle

[oak galleon]

Fair. My main thing would be that if they have it on one slot it lets them tweak the specifics of how the beam and defib work relative to each other. Since they both greatly impact effective TTK, being able to tweak them relative to each other is beneficial, especially so other things don't get balanced against MMM defib meta

[cyan bobcat]

i play light sword

[unkempt moss]

I think your idea is on the right track. With some tweaking you can probably make it work well. Like maybe you hold heal beam to Rez a trophy and they come back with full health or something. Then it’s also scaled to the weight class

All these people that are talking about not nerfing support on support characters are dense. Supports get nerfed hard in every other game because supports can absolutely carry a game if they are overtuned.

[oak galleon]

Mostly my thing is I don't see a good way to balance defib and heals other than 1. What I suggested, 2. Splitting them up so they're not on the same class (introduces way too many problems with other classes), or 3. Giving more heal/rez options on other classes (fights go on forever or heals become mandatory picks on every class, which I hate)

[unkempt moss]

Lights can come back full health, but heavies only come back with 200 or something. Then there’s time to Rez but benefits are there.

The defib thing is a tough one unless you outright remove it. Someone suggested health sharing and I think that’s the best way because it cuts down on the trains and drive by. Which are my biggest problems with it.

If you light someone up as their defibbing it just becomes free kills. Requires better positioning.

[cyan bobcat]

i dont play light often becouse its mostly just a deathmatch class and has basically no teamplay supportive gadgets

[oak galleon]

Nah I completely agree. I'd love to see more tweaks to it than my initial suggestion, absolutely. I like the beam on totems idea, with it scaling to each class. I also feel like combining the two isn't NECESSARILY a nerf - just a change. I want heals to be A WAY to play medium, rather than "I'm playing movement/defense, but have defibs because you need to". I want to make multiple ways to play medium ALL work. I'd like to see triple heals still be fairly VIABLE if that's your style, just not so meta it dominates.

[cyan bobcat]

not full health, more like 80%

too op for power shift

[unkempt moss]

We can talk about fine tuning sure, but some sort of macro change to the gadget needs to happen.

[cyan bobcat]

alot of ppl

i get a match faster there than ranked

remove the bamboo on kyoto and were fine

[oak galleon]

Exactly that. I'm so down for tweaks as time goes on, but it can't stay how it is now

[cunning kettle]

the water also sucks

[cyan bobcat]

dont wet yourself

throwing a cash box can get it 100 meters off target

arent those almost the same gun?

[loud merlin]

500 rpg damage

[cunning kettle]

ON GOD

[loud merlin]

and also 100hp per lewis bullet

[cyan bobcat]

we need stinger homing antitank

soldier tf2

[loud merlin]

okay but the m60 is actually a peashooter

[cyan bobcat]

fr

[loud merlin]

like damn its insanely mediocre if not bad

[cunning kettle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1040430876263186572/1137762225193500876/INCOMINGMISSLE.gif

[cunning kettle]

nah bruh m60 actually feels nice to use now

[cyan bobcat]

ballistic missile inbound

[loud merlin]

compared to previous?
yes
compared to lewis?
not really

[cunning kettle]

yea lewis is goated but m60 is more fun imo

the fact you can put a sight on it is goated too

[sand monolith]

I’ll start by saying that defib is a very strong gadget regardless of elo. Defib is strong everywhere. But this is a weird question to answer because it’s not necessarily something that’s “played around.” The intended counterplay is to rush down close range and kill the medium. The issue is that the pike and model don’t allow you to do this.

Near the end of S2, people ran AKM only on medium because we didn’t realize the model was broken. Defib was genuinely just not an issue at all. The extra revive was useful obviously as every gadget is but a comp with more than 1 medium was incredibly susceptible to dives and being rushed down by a good mesh user. Now if you dive a team with more than 1 medium you lose because they can sustain themselves and destroy in cqc

[cyan bobcat]

could light get a flare gun

[loud merlin]

i would love to see a m60 damage buff
some really cool area destruction of the rpg

[cunning kettle]

m60 got a 20rpm firerate increase at the beginning of s4 and better recoil so it feels nice to use now

[cyan bobcat]

we need firing modes on weapons

[sand monolith]

M60 is perfect but Lewis is just better unfortunately

[cunning kettle]

but yea rpg should def get some better destruction imo

[cunning kettle]

erm no red dot!

[loud merlin]

oh did it?
that just proves im really ass with it then 😭
ill stick to dual deagles since they hit nice and hard

[sand monolith]

Yeah cause the irons are best in game

I would probably still use irons even if it had a red dot tbh

[cunning kettle]

lowkey i like using m60 more than deags because i cant hit shit with deags for some reason but i can beam heads with m60 red dot

[loud merlin]

wow

youre like the opposite of me

[cunning kettle]

probably should just fix my crosshair cuz its the default one 💀 but yea i find m60 better

[cunning kettle]

nah bro lh1 irons best trust

shoot people and get money

[wooden glade]

Aren’t the deags like the Ks, where it’s not 100% accurate? I could be wrong

[cunning kettle]

if u "ads" it should be fully accurate even when moving iirc

[jade violet]

stinger?

or SA-18?

[cunning kettle]

stinga

[jade violet]

guys do u think M26 is "Matter" in this game

they should buff this shotgun

[cyan bobcat]

light gadget idea: Hebel Model 1894 flare gun
❓ fires a projectile that deals minor dmg but lights a hit enemy/goo wall on fire.

🩸 dmg on hit: 20-4 (dmg drop 6/m after 1,2m)
🔥 afterburn: 4s | afterburn dmg: 24/s, goes down to 12/s at the last 1,5s
⚙️ firing mode: single shot
⚡ charges: 1 or 2
⏰ cooldown: 22s
🎯 range: longer than an overhand thrown grenade's

thoughts?

i think it could also be medium

[jade violet]

what?Model1894?flare gun?never heard this

[cyan bobcat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebel_Model_1894

could work as a more modern flare gun, but to me this is the coolest one there is

[jade violet]

FlareGun in BF1?It called Hebel Model 1894 in real?

[cyan bobcat]

yea

[unkempt moss]

I main the flare gun in any game that I can use it in.

[cyan bobcat]

though hebel model 1894 is the middle one in the wikipedia pic

[jade violet]

how about add blunderbuss into this game

[shell sonnet]

I kind of like the idea of a flare gun, but it might become an issue against lights

It would almost be an (admittedly more skillful) rpg, which could spell trouble for light

Especially since they already complain about the low range flamethrower whenever they get dot-killed

[jade violet]

or plasma rifle

I want plasma rifle!

[cunning kettle]

i want model buff

[unkempt moss]

Same. My plan is to just be as toxic as possible with it in pubs until they fix it.

[shell sonnet]

Blunderbuss would be 1 shot, it would either be worthless or 1-shot

Neither of which is fun

[cyan bobcat]

just give it a bayonet to increase bash dmg

[jade violet]

yes one shot blunderbuss,350 damage

[shell sonnet]

So no 1 shot but potential combos?
That might work

[jade violet]

only one shot to kill in close range

like a melee weapon

[shell sonnet]

The winch in question:

Sledge is already bad enough with it, we dont need to make it even worse

[uncut solar]

what is the best gadget to run with the sword

[unkempt moss]

Medium on defib since you’ll need to be picked up a lot

[uncut solar]

only half as much as mediums with a shoty

[jade violet]

@shell sonnet how about this one?

[shell sonnet]

Thats just design

Im more concerned about balance

[jade violet]

Springfield 1842,smooth barrel rifle,muzzle load,Buck'N'Ball

[shell sonnet]

But yeah, if we add a blunderbuss, sure why not
Looks good

[jade violet]

wait,i have something to show u

@shell sonnet how about this one,add this shit thing into game

[shell sonnet]

Thing is, its damage cant be higher than 149, otherwise it 1- shots lights
But if its damage is that low with 1 shot, it would suck against the other 2 classes
If you try to make up for it with melee, then its just spear but ranged
It would need another use case, range might be an option
But then its basically sniper on a 350 hp class
Even with only 1 shot, that would likely be broken

Balance would likely be quesntionable

[jade violet]

u can go muzzleloaders.com to buy 1 and try it,if u not mind ur finger

pepper box is awesome

[shell sonnet]

Again, balance
1 shot

Likely ill fit to be a primary due to either 1 shots or being a worthless addition (beyond cool factor)

And damage gadgets have not been the healthiest (cough cough, rpg)

[jade violet]

u know what,I love muzzle load!

[cyan bobcat]

medium weapon idea: the dueling pistols
❓ akimbo flintlock pistols
🩸 100/hit | headshots 150
capacity: 1/pistol, you have a third pistol in your pocket
⚙️ firing mode: single shot
🔁 reload time: 20s/pistol, manually (💀)
🎯 range: accurate up to 18m, somewhat accurate up to 26m, you might hit them up to 33m

thoughts?

[swift cradle]

M11 was always good. Xp was just better in more situations because it's more effective at longer ranges and up close.

Xp being nerfed means m11 takes over by default because the range was the primary thing getting in the way.

[jade violet]

crazy,akimbo flint lock

[unkempt moss]

Doesn’t the double barrel already one shot lights?

They should have just made RPG a primary and give it rocket jumping.

[swift cradle]

You don't have to use it if you aren't invested in the gun. Xp is still used in competitive too.

Right now I'm a fan of the m26 so I've been using it mostly because it's very flexible and satisfying to use.

[jade violet]

[nimble olive]

what do you guys do with ur money after you bought all of ur gadgets and what not. I ahve nothing to spend it on,

[cyan bobcat]

wait for new seasons

[restive plover]

Secret dev strats to convert it into multibucks.

[nimble olive]

how?

[drowsy pasture]

New item idea. Explosive rounds

New item idea. Bear trap

[sinful dagger]

I thought mmm and mmh were the b

[drowsy pasture]

New item idea. Gravity gun

New item idea. Snail's pace slurpee

[shell sonnet]

There are a few things that can 1-shot light
But they all have some limiting factor to limit it in some way

Something like this is likely easy to be messed up balance wise
And you cant just add ammo to a blunderbuss, so it would likely need to stay broken, not ideal

It might end up being the first item we literally cannot fix

[drowsy pasture]

New item idea. Airstike

[shell sonnet]

More stun mechanics?

[drowsy pasture]

New item idea. Last stand

New item idea. Martyrdom

[restive plover]

New idea, tactical nuke.

[drowsy pasture]

New idea. Kill streaks

[split kettle]

They should add in a heavy cross bow for heavy

[drowsy pasture]

Explosive crossbow

[restive plover]

Update 4.3 just turns heavy into a b52 bomber.

[wise spoke]

how about fucking deleting the grnade launcher

im in a final round now with a team all playing with this broken as weapon

there is nothing we can do

please anyone @silent swallow please

[unkempt moss]

You should try the GooGun. It stops that problem.

[wise spoke]

i pkay mostly medium

[hallow leaf]

if you play med then have you tried the aps

[unkempt moss]

So does the rest of the game these days, it seems.

[wise spoke]

2 hits and its gone

the whole team has launchers

[hallow leaf]

goo is also amazing

[wicked sorrel]

Beat them at range brother. AK is your best friend. After the slight nerf just keep some distance and they can’t do shit.

[shell sonnet]

Tbf, most weapons are broken in some capacity if stacked

For advice, have you tried jumping?
Should reduce the damage by ~40-50%

You can even ads while bunny hopping

[feral briar]

Yo, any data reshaper enjoyers here?

[shell sonnet]

@feral briar yeah, i did, whats up?

[feral briar]

well when they added glitch to the rotation it sounded like the buff we wanted but since they kept the randomization effect it turned out to be a hard nerf. You can't get consistent red canisters anymore and i think if they removed glitches randomization and kept the POGGRS rotation it would be in a great spot

[boreal laurel]

I keep it in my back pocket for when turret spammers show up

[hallow leaf]

I would but goo just seems to be better and it also stops the auto turret

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, its kind of a nerf
It would be nice to get it consistent again

Also, whats the acronym again?

[royal pier]

Ok, so @weak imp and I did some tests on sonar nade destructibility.

I have footage if anyone really cares, but the basic rules are:

Fire, Explosions, Melee Weapons, and Quick Melee: Can break them.

Regular Bullets: Cannot break them.

[languid crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdMZLwEQLM what about this for the heavy

[feral briar]

Pink Orange Green Glitch Red Smoke

But after the change Glitch just randomizes

[shell sonnet]

Ty
But yeah, it should not be random

[potent briar]

What the hell is with the dual blades, not sure if its new or what but that deflect bullets back to shooter is VILE

[feral briar]

are you talking about its shoddy hit reg?

[potent briar]

Im talking about the fact I unloaded a whole V95 clip into him and killed myself. Its like I can only kill him if I get close and thats where he has advantage

[wooden glade]

It's so frustrating that the pike is just a better revolver.

[feral briar]

bro the dual blades are objectively the worst weapon in the game and im a melee main. either aim for the legs if they aren't crouching or play like a light and shooot them somewhere other than the face. the only way to take all your own mag back in your face is to stand still and shoot them

[feral briar]

agreed, if the firerate and hipfire accuracy get nerfed i think it'll be fine but as it stands there's no reason to pick the revolver over it other than to be cool

[wooden glade]

Right? I love useing the revolver because it's fun but when I play against a pike, I just lose because it has twice the ammo and almost the same exact stats, if not better

[deep wing]

Remember how fast they needed the Lh1 last season? Pike is better than that was and they just leaving it as it is

Got nerfed into the ground on first patch

[night elk]

Didn't know you could melee them, thank you

[viscid herald]

hi