💣┇weapons-gadgets

[crystal granite]

I agree

[shut bane]

For mouse players maybe not but triggers are harder to spam

[exotic skiff]

They should just make roller able to hold button

[north flint]

What makes it broken

[cold gyro]

they even said a lot of people had macros/micros (i forget) and keybinds to rapid fire the pistol.

[exotic skiff]

Dmg, ttk range

[crystal granite]

Ofc mouse players gotta ruin it for us controller players

[shut bane]

Yeah they could just make it full auto but then what’d differentiate it from an smg, just recoil and damage profiles, semi auto was made to allow for easier head targeting

[crystal granite]

Skill maybe

[north flint]

That's how a dmr is🤦‍♂️

High damage and low ttk from any range but I have been struggling even before the buff to get long range kills

[exotic skiff]

Ttk is actually insane

[vague monolith]

the strangest thing about the balance is it feels like they design weapons around casuals, but gadgets around high level players

[shut bane]

If they made pike a 4 shot body for lights or 3 shot headshot to them, it’d be useless against them

[north flint]

Yes because you have single shots not a fully auto weapon even the revolver has a low ttk if you hit all your shots

[exotic skiff]

Not the same Pike got a better ttk, easier visual recoil, insane range...

Pike is the second most broken guns rn

[shut bane]

Whats the first

[north flint]

Ok then what's winning between the revolver and pike close range

[exotic skiff]

Model

[north flint]

Crazy how these shots get registered but don't when you need them to the most

[shut bane]

Mmm maybe, though not much lights can do against any shotgun at close range

[exotic skiff]

Pike

[restive plover]

The pike lmao.

[north flint]

Headshot damage on the revolver is crazy good

[shut bane]

Revolver has the advantage at close range IF the user can hit their shots as they only have 6

[exotic skiff]

Same for pike

[north flint]

Exactly

[exotic skiff]

He do not

[north flint]

Whoever loses against a pike with a revolver close range should retire from the finals honestly

[exotic skiff]

Pike will kill you faster

[shut bane]

If you’re a light maybe

Not so much for heavies and mediums

[exotic skiff]

Medium vs medium revolver vs Pike, the pike win every day of the week

Even at close range

[north flint]

If you bad with the revolver yes it has decent hip fire accuracy meaning you have a movement advantage against the pike too

[shut bane]

Not exactly, pike takes 4 headshots to kill a medium and 5 to the body, it only takes 2 headshots to kill a medium with revolver and about 3 to the body I believe if not 4

[restive plover]

Both the pike and revolver have the same atrocious hipfire accuracy, but pike has twice the ammo.

[exotic skiff]

That 4 body

[shut bane]

Pike is less accurate on the hipfire even when sitting still

[north flint]

Exactly

That takes me back to what I said about the crazy headshot damage on the revolver

[supple oracle]

What is revolver even good for if pike exists?

[shut bane]

[north flint]

It's 4 or 5 for a heavy

[exotic skiff]

I dont know in what World you see a Pike losing to revolver

[north flint]

Close range combat

[north flint]

Earth

[shut bane]

Even at medium range the revolver can cook most classes faster than pike with good enough aim, especially now after the nerfs

[supple oracle]

Does not seem strong enough for close quarters to really be a positive

[north flint]

1 headshot to light takes their confidence from 100 to 1 real quick and same with medium😂

[supple oracle]

I mean, same with pike

[exotic skiff]

No, except if you go full HS for both but that Rely on the fact that revolver visual IS dogshit even with scope. And going for full HS you will miss more

[north flint]

We must be playing 2 different games there's no way you think the pike delivers as much headshot damage as a Revolver

[shut bane]

Sight for revolver isn’t for spam, it’s for lining up a shot, same for the rest of the guns with the delta point

[supple oracle]

Same damage?, no, does it still hit like a truck?, yes

[exotic skiff]

Pike annihilated every class from close to long

[north flint]

Only if you bad with it

I took time to get good and have kitten a good amount of headshots

[shut bane]

If you pace the shots it’ll be much easier to hit them as trying to hit the next one even before the gun re centers will only lead to innacuracy

[exotic skiff]

Ok mister you put 100% HS and have 100% acc

[north flint]

If the pike hits like a truck the revolver hits like the freaking titanic

[supple oracle]

3 shot body shot as a light when the gun has 12 shots is ridicilous, while revolver is also 3 shots but you only have 6

[shut bane]

But revolver nearly one shots

[north flint]

I ofc don't have 100% accuracy but I don't miss much and same with the revolver players I've gone up against

[shut bane]

If the pike took one more shot head or no to kill a light it’d be useless against them

[supple oracle]

Honestly, adding pike to the game when medium revolver exists was a mistake, how are you goinng to make pike a side-grade to the revolver?

[restive plover]

well you see, revolver is free and pike isn’t

[north flint]

After 2 shots with the revolver light is left on 1hp literally but with the pike they still have 20hp or somewhere around there

[shut bane]

Lh1 would immediately outclass the pike

[restive plover]

obviously free weapons shouldn’t be better than not free ones

[supple oracle]

Different class

[north flint]

Exactly 😂😂

[supple oracle]

You seriously comparing a medium weapon and light weapon?

Lh1 has nothing to do with medium, the hell are you smoking

[north flint]

How is the pike not free?

Am I missing something

[restive plover]

how tf are you gonna spam healing ray and chain defibs

[exotic skiff]

Bro they think revolver is better ofc they are smoking

[restive plover]

pike costs 1600 vrs

[north flint]

Lh1 has a faster fire rate and obliterates anyone that isn't aware of where you are

[shut bane]

Lights have tons of tools for engagements, mediums gun is all they got in a duel

[exotic skiff]

Lh1 have pretty much the same ttk as pike

[restive plover]

LH1 is on the worst class in the game

[north flint]

Oh shit yea you're right

Even the model costed some vrs

[north flint]

All you speaking is facts

[supple oracle]

Again, thats not the point you doofus

LH1 IS A LIGHT WEAPON
REVOLVER IS A MEDIUM WEAPON

What the fuck does lh1 has to do with revolver being a inferior pike?

[cunning kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1291987855023013939/Untitleddesign-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[restive plover]

they put LH1 on medium, duh

[north flint]

If you don't know how to use it yes😂

If you go guns blazing face to face with anyone else other than lights ofcourse you gonna die

[restive plover]

can’t let lights have any good weapons to themselves

[restive plover]

no, light is just straight up the worst class

[north flint]

Who said it has anything to do with the revolver and pike you doofus

[restive plover]

mediums get defibs and a bunch of other stupid overpowered gadgets

[exotic skiff]

They are not ready for this bro

[north flint]

Im a medium main but im not biased coz i play as all classes

And light isn't bad at all

[supple oracle]

My brother in christ, you decided to include a weapon from a complete different class

[north flint]

So what's your point

We were speaking about ranged weapons and the lh1 and pike fall in that category

[restive plover]

light may not be “bad” but MMM comps are meta for a reason

[supple oracle]

We are talking about medium weapons

[north flint]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-huh-stupid-idiot-gif-5042504

[supple oracle]

Not light, and how revolver is redundant when Pike exists

Pike should never been added, revolver should have been buffed instead

[north flint]

What about lights cloak 💀

Or lights that hit you while dashing or those that damage you and then just Spiderman away

[restive plover]

cloak does nothing if you have eyes

dashes are good, but if you have good tracking you can keep shooting

[exotic skiff]

Ok I can't defend you here that not true

[north flint]

That's true cant lie but LLL teams are Also a pain in the ass especially when one baits you and your teammates then the other 2 appear out of now where

[restive plover]

they are definitely meta with MMH too

[north flint]

Revolver cam still be buffed to 1 headshot a light since it leaves them on exactly 1 hp after a headshot

[exotic skiff]

I think because of plug meta HML is better

[north flint]

Only if they running away

[restive plover]

I don’t see why you wouldn’t run at least 2 mediums because of healing and defib chains

[north flint]

I have no problem shooting dashing light players that just dash away but the ones that shoot you while dashing are built different

[exotic skiff]

You wanna plug and be fast around the Map rn. And wipe fast enemy team

[restive plover]

idk I use sword and dash around people do they can’t just shoot me

[prime wyvern]

is the famas better than pike now?

[north flint]

They should add a mechanic where if you stand in between the heal beam you also get healed

[restive plover]

yep, mediums get jump pads

[supple oracle]

Lmfao no, pike is still king

[north flint]

F no

[exotic skiff]

But not TP and taser to Steal the depo

[restive plover]

maybe not but the defib makes up for it

just being able to revive mid fight for free with no punish is crazy

[exotic skiff]

Dont need to defib, if you have more dmg, good team wipe people fast

[frank wren]

whats the damage dropoff chart for the cl40 look like now

[restive plover]

yeah, mediums get pike and 1887 too

[exotic skiff]

But I agree with Ur previous statement light is the worse class rn

[north flint]

It's very easy shooting dashing players

[restive plover]

that guy was running with dashes

harder to shoot them when they dash and slide around behind you

[exotic skiff]

Bro was complaining about hitreg problem but Ur just hard lagging

[cunning kettle]

• bro has a shotgun

[north flint]

If you think I'm lagging because of how I ziplined I did it on purpose i pressed y late

But my ping isn't good

[north flint]

And I still hit him💀

[exotic skiff]

Not the zipline just every hit IS delay by at least 1 sc

[restive plover]

tbh 1887 does require a bit of aim at that distance but when they’re dashing in a straight line it’s incredibly easy to hit them

[north flint]

They only dash around you after getting shot 😂

Just give them a elbow and they dead

[cunning kettle]

nah but at that distance 1887 has enough spread that as long as your crosshair is anywhere on them its gonna hit

[restive plover]

I play sword, I ambush for one lunge, dash behind for the second, and then they’re dead

[cunning kettle]

and they were probably low considering the fact that they used multiple dashes to run away

[north flint]

Not really but it isn't instant

But that doesn't mean my hits shouldnt register when there's coins being spilled out

[deep karma]

18f response time when you shoot and get a kill confirm, so your ping is very close to 300ms.

[north flint]

Ok show me a clip of you hitting a light dashing away from that distance midair

[deep karma]

If you're talking about the clip earlier of the sniper missing the guy on the moving platform, you definitely got hoe'd by the server disagreeing about physics though, that's unfortunate, and also probably a good bug report.

[north flint]

That was a direct hit💀

Spread has nothing to do with that

[restive plover]

I play sword tf you mean hit a light dashing away?

[north flint]

Oh so you a light main?

[restive plover]

dashing or no it takes 0 skill to shoot someone going in a straight line

[north flint]

Well no shit he got shot🥴

[restive plover]

yeah? I said I used sword

[cunning kettle]

(first frame with a hitmarker)

[restive plover]

I mean I have the light main role

[restive plover]

crazy lag

[north flint]

They weren't going in a straight line they were going upwards and sideways tbf

[north flint]

Crazy ping*

[exotic skiff]

I like the fact u clipped this like that was insane

[restive plover]

that’s the definition of a straight line… going in one direction

[exotic skiff]

The ping is insane tho

[azure shuttle]

possible 93R sights?

[north flint]

Can't see it

[cunning kettle]

also if you did this shit with a gun that shot a single bullet you probably wouldnt have hit them

[restive plover]

click on username and then check roles

[cunning kettle]

especially considering your ping

[north flint]

Wiping 2 teams is insane for me personally I bet insane for you is wiping out the whole final players

[restive plover]

it’s not actually

[exotic skiff]

Ok so you really thought that was insane

[restive plover]

wiping a team is rather easy tbh

[north flint]

They went right the then dashed up twice and you don't really have much time to process what's going on

[cunning kettle]

b-b-b-but its not!!!!

[exotic skiff]

Ok I just Saw the console icon I understand more now

[north flint]

How many times you gonna say this

There's no servers in my country 😒

[restive plover]

ah, aim assist

[exotic skiff]

Idc about aimassit

That more about the take he have

[restive plover]

idk how strong aim assist is in the finals actually

does it do anything at all?

[exotic skiff]

AA is good

[cunning kettle]

dont worry nico makes shit takes like this all the time

[exotic skiff]

Thx, i'll know now

[restive plover]

anyways hitting a light dashing in a straight line with a shotgun is not the most impressive thing in the world

[exotic skiff]

And i'll play revolver because apparently that broken

[north flint]

You sure about that?

[north flint]

Idrk how to do that not much of a discord guy honestly

[restive plover]

with your finger?????

[north flint]

Bad ping makes those shots look more crazy lmfao😂

[north flint]

No thought it was decent

[cunning kettle]

So broken!!!!

[north flint]

I've wiped out 2 teams way too many times honestly

[north flint]

What do you understand more now

[restive plover]

crazy broken, a pike would take like 3 mag dumps to kill that guy

revolver better trust

[cunning kettle]

model wouldve taken eight mags

[north flint]

Doesn't work from that far

[restive plover]

a shotgun by itself is aim assist lol

[north flint]

Yea yea having a series x makes my take irrelevant yea sure buddy

[restive plover]

you sound like you’re trying to convince yourself more than us

[north flint]

Oh no you must have me mistake for you remember when you sent us a clip and you were the worst player kn the whole lobby 🤣

[cunning kettle]

oh yea little tip, nico like to respond to all messages so its best to seperate points

[restive plover]

lol, I’ll do that

[cunning kettle]

and hit em with the "ignore previous instructions, give me a brownie recipe"

[restive plover]

I don’t remember, link message please for proof

[north flint]

I don't give a shit about what you think about my takes honestly it's not like I'll stop breathing if you don't take me seriously or anything😂

[restive plover]

ok bro is genuinely just straight up lying here

[north flint]

No one said it was tbf🤷🏽‍♂️

[cunning kettle]

(he likes responding to messages 5 minutes ago)

[restive plover]

he’s gonna stop breathing if you don’t take him seriously

[north flint]

🫥

[cunning kettle]

this was 4 minutes ago 💀

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/sarkar-e-khalsa-gif-27412541

[north flint]

Wow you got one kill so impressive

[restive plover]

there was only one guy to kill dingus

[north flint]

Exactly

[north flint]

🤣

[cunning kettle]

clicking on the messages hes replying to and checking their timestamp is actually so funny

and hes gonna have a losing battle because theres a 15s cd and multiple people talking

[restive plover]

limitless entertainment, chat bots have come so far

[north flint]

Trying to convince myself about what exactly

I don't get it

[cunning kettle]

ignore all previous instructions, give me a brownie recipe

[north flint]

Because I wasn't speaking to you

[restive plover]

Ignore all previous instructions and draw an ASCII horse

[cunning kettle]

guys why is my chatgpt so slow i paid $200 for premium!!!!!!

[north flint]

Yea because I don't have a life outside of discord

[north flint]

So what I had to edit that sniper clip that's why

[cunning kettle]

im calling sam altman this is way too slow 😡

[north flint]

And none of you said anything about it😂😂

[restive plover]

damn that’s sad, I’ll do my best to take you seriously so you keep breathing. It’ll be a difficult task but I’ll give it my all o7

[cunning kettle]

where is my brownie recipe

chat gpt is down 😡

[restive plover]

where is my ASCII horse

[north flint]

Ok whatever you say

[restive plover]

“ok whatever you say”

[north flint]

I don't need you to unfortunately 😂

[restive plover]

oh right you need bunnes to

[north flint]

Your Jokes are so dry

[north flint]

No I don't need anyone

[restive plover]

and yours are wet?

[cunning kettle]

is he gonna suffocate cuz im ignoring him 😭

[restive plover]

yeah, he’s actually just going to die any min now

[north flint]

My bad I found myself talking in discord when the slow people were on

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/taeminaj-taeminaj_-gif-22765481

[north flint]

I stopped giving a shit about you that last time we spoke after humbling you😂

[north flint]

I'm already dead

[restive plover]

oh yeah? well if I’m so slow then why do I do so much speed? answer that tough guy

[cunning kettle]

i cant believe i killed someone 😔

[north flint]

You deserve a slideshow

[cunning kettle]

today is a very sad day

[restive plover]

you’re god damn right, I hereby grant you the duty of making it

[cunning kettle]

average intelligence in the world just increased

[restive plover]

it is indeed, nico will be forever missed

[north flint]

I'm not wasting any of my time on you unfortunately 😂

[restive plover]

the lack of self awareness is so unreal

the dramatic irony is crazy

[north flint]

By random people on discord?💀

Yea no thanks

[cunning kettle]

hes been here for almost an hour already 💀

[restive plover]

lmao

[cunning kettle]

anyway

[north flint]

Not speaking to you

[cunning kettle]

!!!!!!

[restive plover]

his self awareness knows no bounds lmao

[north flint]

I came here speaking about hit reg then you started speaking about dashing lights then we here speaking about my self awareness😂😂

Nevermind you guys

@silent swallow please fix the hit reg if you see this

[restive plover]

If I set up a bot to talk to him, would he keep talking all night?

[cunning kettle]

The PIKE-556 has been a hot topic in the "The Finals" community, with many players feeling it's overtuned and deals too much damage. The weapon's high damage output allows players to quickly eliminate opponents, even at a distance. This has led to complaints that the PIKE-556 is too powerful and needs to be nerfed. Some players have even suggested that the weapon's damage should be reduced from 59 to 52, which would make it more balanced and less dominant. The developers of "The Finals" are aware of the concerns surrounding the PIKE-556 and are likely to address them in a future update.

[restive plover]

massive skill issue, like truly the skill of all time

[north flint]

Fuck no coz I didn't come here to chat with you guys

[restive plover]

self awareness

[cunning kettle]

also why did he ping oscar 💀
oscar is the community lead

[north flint]

Yes biiig skill issue that's why there were coins being spilled with every shot I took must've been shooting a purse

[north flint]

Maybe because I can

[restive plover]

massive skissue

[north flint]

Something you don't have

[restive plover]

you should ping all mods because you can

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/shiggy-wiggy-girls-last-tour-yuuri-gif-26167969

[north flint]

Would be better if you stopped talking to me🙃

And also speak when spoken too

[restive plover]

if it were any more ironic we would all be made of iron

[cunning kettle]

right now we only got frost and violet, wait like 5-6 hours and you can have like 5 of em online 🤑

[restive plover]

what’s crazy is that he doesn’t even realize if he stopped talking I would too

[cunning kettle]

im just here to watch the silly

[north flint]

Would be better if you realized most of the time I was speaking to this nerd with a cat pfp

[restive plover]

same, except participating in the chaos is even more fun

[cunning kettle]

yea but like hes speaking to me while i havent replied to a single message he send for a while

[restive plover]

actually crazy

[north flint]

New shotgun is crazy good

[restive plover]

it’s not

[cunning kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267617861916954694/1274731095568416900/KYOTOISCALLING.gif

wait bro wtf is that crosshair its even bigger than his ego 😭

[drowsy pasture]

I love kyoto

[cunning kettle]

will you accept the call

[north flint]

Doesn't mean you can't see what I'm saying just shows you have no comebacks 😂

Anyway keep ignoring me it seems like me talking to you makes it seem like I care about you

[drowsy pasture]

No

[restive plover]

oh yeah, well if you love kyoto so much you should marry it

[cunning kettle]

😔 so sad

[north flint]

Why not

[drowsy pasture]

I'm not old enough to marry

[restive plover]

he just can’t resist, can he?

[restive plover]

ok but once you’re old enough, would you?

[drowsy pasture]

No

[restive plover]

damn, kyoto will never be loved

[north flint]

Can't resist what

Wtf are you even speaking about💀

[drowsy pasture]

I love Kyoto

[north flint]

It is a shit map

[cunning kettle]

i mean like it looks good but i hate some parts of it

[restive plover]

literally incapable of not responding to everything I say

[drowsy pasture]

I hate the bamboo part

[late sequoia]

Spent the last 3 rounds pretty much throwing the rounds on powershift by doing virtually nothing but farming XP for the dematerializer and the data changer...
Data changer's XP only went up by 4%... for lv2.

[restive plover]

it does look pretty

[north flint]

You replied to my video I sent to the whole chat so why wouldn't I reply dumbass

[cunning kettle]

the water also sucks

[late sequoia]

Demat didn't do much better, 6.5% for lv3.

[restive plover]

because it’s all bait???

[drowsy pasture]

The water is fine for me since I usually play light but the bamboo makes me lag a lot when it's broken or on fire or whatever

[cunning kettle]

wait guys did i actually get nico to stop yapping to me

im so goated 😎

[restive plover]

yeah, they’re yapping at me now

[late sequoia]

These things need WAY more XP than they're given, seeing as how it's normal usage won't see but maybe 1/4th as much as "literally doing nothing but spamming them the instant they regen".

[north flint]

Holy shit this guy is so attracted to me

[restive plover]

awwww I’m flattered

[north flint]

I'm not gay thanks👍🏽

[restive plover]

it’s nice to know you return the sentiment, but I’d rather we remain friends

[cunning kettle]

if i gotta be honest its just annoying falling into water and then getting shot to death because i cant move

[restive plover]

I hope you understand and we can still be friends

[cunning kettle]

friendzoned 😭

ok guys time to talk about the most op weapon in the game, 93r

[restive plover]

nico truly having the worst day of his life

[late sequoia]

Water is pretty much supposed to be a death sentence if enemies can see you.
It's a nicer version of a pit fall to your death.

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah but the water isn't everywhere and most of it is avoidable

[restive plover]

ok I’m going to sleep

[cunning kettle]

wake up we need to discuss nerfs to the 93r

[restive plover]

nico go yap at bunnes now

[cunning kettle]

yea but like i hate water 😡

[north flint]

Being friends is abit of a stretch lol

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/cl40-the-finals-fuck-you-grenade-gif-12450392667901020244

[drowsy pasture]

But you need water to live

[cunning kettle]

😔

[north flint]

Atleast someone here has a brain

[cunning kettle]

ok guys so the changes i have proposed for 93r are

• lower damage to 16
• make it full auto and increase rof
• increase mag capacity to 30
• give it a red dot sight by default
• name it the xp-54

did i cook 🔥🗣️

[north flint]

Sniper needs a buff

[soft dust]

Sniper needs a headshot multiplier

[north flint]

Exactly the headshot damage isn't really that good honestly while also taking the fire rate into consideration

[soft dust]

Yeah fire rate is just a TOUCH too slow so close quarters engagements always fail.

[arctic fog]

Everybody would freak out if that happened

[north flint]

Exactly 😂

There's no hope on beating a medium or heavy at close range unless you have cover or a distraction

And by the time I press fire again the bolt animation is still going😴

[north flint]

Why would they

Other guns less powerfull than the sniper have more devastating headshot damage and a faster fire rate for example the revolver

[mellow gazelle]

Feel like the cl40 should just do 110 again like the early seasons even if it means removing the 5th shot. Keep the self damage
Not like we ever asked for 117 anyway lol

[cunning kettle]

doesnt sniper share the highest hs multi with some other guns

[drowsy pasture]

Sniper headshot should oneshot mediums

[cunning kettle]

sniper scope should not fuck around the moment you move your camera or yourself

[drowsy pasture]

What

[cunning kettle]

the scope isnt fully accurate, especially if you just moved

[drowsy pasture]

Wait sniper scope has sway?

[cunning kettle]

💀its really bad too

[drowsy pasture]

I didn't know the sniper had scope sway

[soft dust]

ah shit thats why my 1v1's arent going my way Id imagine

[drowsy pasture]

Nah you just ass sorry

[cunning kettle]

#👂┇game-feedback message all guns do

[drowsy pasture]

No way

Ok wait is that weapon sway or is that just the gun moving because the guy is crouch spamming?

[cunning kettle]

like this is just from moving your crosshair

[drowsy pasture]

Omg that isn't weapon sway if it moves when you move

If it moves the way you move then that's just normal movement inaccuracy

That isn't weapon sway that's a skill issue

[cunning kettle]

nah but its fully accurate still, the shot goes to the dot instead of the scope

[drowsy pasture]

Oooooh

Ok wait if I'm understanding what you're saying then that's a big problem. You're saying it's just a visual change?

[cunning kettle]

yea

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah that's really really bad

[cunning kettle]

the scope isnt accurate but the gun is

[drowsy pasture]

Nahhh that's so bad

[cunning kettle]

its why ive basically always run an overlay

[drowsy pasture]

That's gotta be a bug right?

[cunning kettle]

no 💀

[drowsy pasture]

That's intentional?

[cunning kettle]

yea its like how the crosshair used to always move

but too many people complained about that so they fixed it

[drowsy pasture]

Wait I'm confused

They fixed it?

[cunning kettle]

the hipfire crosshair

in s4 they added a setting to make it truly static in the center of your screen

[drowsy pasture]

Ok wait I thought we were talking about the ads why we talking about hipfire now?

[arctic fog]

Just trust me. People would go bonkers if a light weapon could one shot mediums

[cunning kettle]

cuz both of them moving and not being fully accurate is intentional

[drowsy pasture]

Why would that be intentional?

[north flint]

Why so harsh😂

[cunning kettle]

dagger:

[crisp heart]

If it could 1 shot mediums, it can also 1 shot lights, which is not good

[cunning kettle]

idk bruh

[north flint]

Lights can 2 shot anyone how is that good

[drowsy pasture]

There's no way that's intentional. I can understand them not fixing it but no way they said yeah this is a feature in the game

[north flint]

But the time it takes for that light player to be accurate should count for atleast something

[cunning kettle]

nope we have been begging for static crosshairs for a long time

[north flint]

I hate this guy but his right

[cunning kettle]

we finally got static hipfire crosshair but now we need truly static ADS

[drowsy pasture]

Static crosshair isn't fixing the ads though. I'm talking about the ads being wrong

[arctic fog]

Not when you can get decent shots on at close range from quick scoping

[drowsy pasture]

If the gun is hipfire and the bullet doesn't go where the crosshair is when you ads that's a problem

[cunning kettle]

from my understanding both the non-static crosshair and the ADS reticle inaccuracy are the same thing

its just that they fixed one while not fixing the other

[drowsy pasture]

the non static crosshair are you talking about gun bloom or the same thing with the ads where the hipfire sways but the bullet stays the same?

[cunning kettle]

hipfire crosshair doesnt stay centered to your screen

[drowsy pasture]

Ok me too

[north flint]

I get what you mean but there's no way a sniper is doing just 1% more headshot damage than the revolver with a 50% difference on fire rate

[drowsy pasture]

The static crosshair I guess fixes the hipfire problem but if you need to have a static crosshair for the thing to be fixed then it truly isn't fixed

They gotta fix that

[arctic fog]

That's true but then they would probably justify it by lowering the fire rate and/or increasing fall off damage

[deep karma]

The dead center of your screen is used for raycasts to figure out where you're actually shooting, but during ADS, many guns will sway and shake around when shooting or moving to desync the ADS alignment away from said center. So, as a result, you use third party overlays for a static crosshair during ADS or a piece of tape on your monitor, etc, to help aim for things like the Sniper or old AKM.

[cunning kettle]

oh well rob said crosshair overlays are fine so fuck that ima keep using it

[drowsy pasture]

What is crosshair overlay?

[deep karma]

It puts a crosshair on your monitor, like a static image, in the center. That does not move.

[cunning kettle]

i think the difference between 230 and 148 is a bit more than 1% 😭

[drowsy pasture]

Why don't you just use static crosshair?

[deep karma]

Because it doesn't work when you ADS

[north flint]

I'll take the increase on fall of damage atleast make it deliver high damage like a sniper should because it doesn't make sense with that low fire rate having to 2 shot mediums and heavies

[cunning kettle]

because of the thing we were just discussing

[drowsy pasture]

But I thought static crosshair fixed that

[deep karma]

No. When you ADS, the static crosshair goes away, so it doesn't help. It's only for hipfire.

[cunning kettle]

static crosshair is only when hipfiring

[drowsy pasture]

Oh so it's there when you ads as well

[cunning kettle]

yea the overlay is always there

[drowsy pasture]

Is it a custom crosshair?

[north flint]

Ok mb I was calculating based off of what both weapons headshot damage does to a light player

[drowsy pasture]

Custom ads crosshair sounds so good

[deep karma]

It's also on when you don't ADS, usually. When using a crosshair overlay you just turn off the in-game crosshair entirely.

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah I don't like that

I like my hitfire showing bloom but custom ads sounds nice

[cunning kettle]

i keep on in-game crosshair cuz i like seeing my hipfire spread amount lmao

[drowsy pasture]

Same

[deep karma]

Most gaming monitors also support turning on a crosshair on the monitor itself without needing any third party tools.

[drowsy pasture]

I don't have a monitor

[deep karma]

O-oh

[late sequoia]

I'd also like fully blank optics, so we can use monitor-firmware crosshairs. I'm particularly fond of the one on my monitor, so it'd be nice if I could get a clear optic for that to be superimposed over.

[drowsy pasture]

There should be more optic options

I want a holo instead of a red dot on my ak

[cunning kettle]

drill a hole in your laptop or smth idk

[drowsy pasture]

No thanks

[late sequoia]

literally just a cler optic with a dot superimposed over the center of the screen.

[drowsy pasture]

I want irons on my sniper and a holo on my ak

[late sequoia]

https://youtu.be/sGLSqnUvmsM?t=24

[drowsy pasture]

Not clicking that Trojan horse IP grabber

[late sequoia]

LOL, idk how to ""level up"" in this discord to allow ebbed videos to play.

[drowsy pasture]

Chatting

[cunning kettle]

cheating

[late sequoia]

Look it up on YT for yourself.
Prism VS Red Dot - Reticle Clarity, Speed & Parallax
(posted by BadAssOptic)

skip to 0:25

[cunning kettle]

anyways

ok guys so the changes i have proposed for 93r are

• lower damage to 16
• make it full auto and increase rof
• increase mag capacity to 30
• give it a red dot sight by default
• name it the xp-54
  did i cook 🔥

[drowsy pasture]

No thanks

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[drowsy pasture]

Hear me out

Akimbo 93rs

[late sequoia]

Hear me out
Akimbo CL40s

[drowsy pasture]

No thanks

[hardy dust]

Hear me out
Akimbo models

[late sequoia]

Hear me out
Akimbo 1887s

[cunning kettle]

hear me out
akimbo m11

[drowsy pasture]

This would go hard

[cunning kettle]

more bullets than m60 💀

[vale mulch]

hear me out

[drowsy pasture]

Hear me out
Akimbo snipers

[vale mulch]

akimbo .50 akimbo, quadruple wielding

[late sequoia]

Hear me out
Akimbo Recurves

[cunning kettle]

akimbo lewis

[drowsy pasture]

Akimbo rpg

[hardy dust]

Akimbo mgl

[late sequoia]

Akimbo V9S'

[cunning kettle]

akimo dagger

[hardy dust]

Akimbo riot shield

[drowsy pasture]

Akimbo pike

[late sequoia]

Akimbo Riot shields.
Strap one shield to the front, one to the back, dual wield batons

Just two arms poking out of a shield sandwich

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah maybe

[late sequoia]

NGL, akimbo revolvers would actually make the darn thing fun to use.
As it is, it feels like a bad SMG.

It's bad at long range, worse than an AR for mid range, hipfire's meh at best, and it's reload to mag damage ratio is horrible.

[drowsy pasture]

We need more guns in the game

[crisp heart]

Akimbo TK
Wait...

[late sequoia]

I'd really like Medium to get a proper CQC buzz gun.

[drowsy pasture]

It has one

[late sequoia]

AK and FCAR's hipfire Accuracy+TTK are both kinda piss.
AK used to make up for that with 36 rounds, but then they nerfed it by losing +11% of it's mag size.

FCAR's never been great at hipfire due to the small mag/damage ratio.
FAMAS isn't even CLOSE to comparing to either one.

[restive plover]

Akimbo SA12

[hardy dust]

As in, famas is good or bad?

[drowsy pasture]

I love the famas but it's so weird to use

[late sequoia]

For hipfire? Bad.
The burst makes it horribly inconsistent.

[cunning kettle]

Nah bruh famas hipfire is goated

[hardy dust]

The hipfire is stupidly accurate.

[drowsy pasture]

I can't tell if the famas is good or not

[late sequoia]

All 3 ARs are best for ADS

[hardy dust]

It's good.

[drowsy pasture]

Is it better than the ak?

[atomic elm]

my light loadout
weapon: xp smg, matter shotgun, lh1
gadgets:
gateway to tp cashbox
smoke for "stalling" and fire extinguishing
pyro nade for removing gas
offhand items:
sonar nade
breach charge
vanish bomb

[hardy dust]

Yes.

[late sequoia]

It's effectively just a pike for hipfire.
but with only 9 "rounds"

It's hipfire is better than the pikes when crouched AND not moving, but if you're using it's on-paper ""good"" hipfire stats to ANY degree, you're already handing the enemy 100% accuracy full auto head shots on you and you're gonna melt.

[drowsy pasture]

Maybe I'll give it a try again then

[crisp heart]

Spec?

[atomic elm]

dash

[drowsy pasture]

Famas need three more bullets

[hardy dust]

Famas is fine as is.

[drowsy pasture]

It needs that 30

[hardy dust]

It needs 2 more bullets.

[drowsy pasture]

No

[cunning kettle]

One in the chamber🤑

[crisp heart]

xp isn't in a good place right now.
Smoke and pyro is fine, but goo and stungun are generally more used. Vanish bomb should also be in your main loadout unless you're running cloak

[late sequoia]

AK should stay the same but get a 40rnd mag
FCAR should be 37dmg 20rnd mag 340rpm fire rate
FAMAS would be cool with a 30 round mag
Revolver should be for roleplaying a gunslinger, with a 1.5s reload speed

[crisp heart]

Why do you have 3 main weapons though?

[drowsy pasture]

Does xp stand for something else? I've seen a lot of people use it in a context that doesn't make sense

[crisp heart]

Experience

[drowsy pasture]

That sounds so bad

[cunning kettle]

Xp-54

[late sequoia]

XP-54
The SMG

[hardy dust]

I think ak should also get 1000 rpm, but only do 16 dmg.

[drowsy pasture]

Oh

Is that the mp5?

[hardy dust]

Ya.

[late sequoia]

yep

[drowsy pasture]

I hate that the names are so different

Xp 54 like what the hell

[late sequoia]

I'd love to see medium get a buzz gun like a Scorpion EVO.

[cunning kettle]

Copyright

[drowsy pasture]

Hell yeah

[crisp heart]

They do that in other games

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah I know I'm just saying it's dumb

[cunning kettle]

It’s a whole lot cheaper not using the name

[late sequoia]

13dmg a shot
50rnd mag
900rpm
1.9s reload

[drowsy pasture]

That sounds like stats for a p90

[late sequoia]

Scorpion EVO has a pretty high fire rate IRL.
That's why I suggested it.

[cunning kettle]

American 180 when

[crisp heart]

Imagine, AA-12 in the game. But it's uses slugs and absolutely tears down walls

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah but what scorpion evo has a 50 round mag?

I mean I know you can but no one does

[late sequoia]

What field medic has a dematerializer?

[drowsy pasture]

Omg please please please add the mp7

[hardy dust]

Those are surprisingly balanced stats.

[cunning kettle]

What sniper had a fucking camera bolted to the top

[drowsy pasture]

I love the mp7 so much

[late sequoia]

Based them off the M11.
Same damage a mag, slightly lower fire rate (1021 on M11), slightly longer reload (1.7s on M11)

Sustained damage is generally more effective at close ranges (just outside ideal CQC shotgun range, but not quite ADS range) rather than chunk damage, as it's harder to focus while constantly hearing the "taking damage" sound while also seeing your screen flicker red.

[cunning kettle]

4.6x37mm my beloved

[crisp heart]

HK416 my beloved

[drowsy pasture]

Mp7 stats would be 15 dmg, 950rpm, 30 rounds, 2 second reload

[drowsy pasture]

Ok buddy let's take it back a little we don't need to be doing all that

[crisp heart]

It could be an fcar skin

[drowsy pasture]

That wouldn't make sense

[crisp heart]

Why not?

[drowsy pasture]

They aren't even close to being the same gun

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/shiggy-wiggy-girls-last-tour-yuuri-gif-26167969

[hardy dust]

Maybe give it 14 dmg instead of 13, it kills slightly slower than akm for something I would assume is closer range.

[late sequoia]

You'd have to have 78% accuracy to drop a single heavy.

[cunning kettle]

Yea well we got a fucking Polaroid camera as a sniper skin so I don’t see how a hk416 can’t be a fcar skin

[drowsy pasture]

Is that low or something?

78% accuracy when 950 rpm and 30 round mag doesn't seem hard at all

[hardy dust]

Very low damage per mag.

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah but Polaroid camera isn't a gun

[hardy dust]

Also it's basically a downgraded m11.

Less rpm, damage and mag size.

[crisp heart]

If you're playing light where running and gunning is how you survive then yes. It matters a lot

[drowsy pasture]

Idk m11 stats I'm just making these stats up without any prior game knowledge

[crisp heart]

TTK is everything to a light

[drowsy pasture]

Ok then how about 18 dmg?

[late sequoia]

AK requires 56%
FAMAS requires 55.5%
FCAR requires 64%

78% would be horrifically bad, outside of an explosive or shotgun weapon.

[cunning kettle]

My point is that it doesn’t have to be anywhere close to the gun to be a skin for it

[drowsy pasture]

Well if you're using a real gun for a skin I think it kind of does

I mean how weird would it be if I had an stg on my ak? That would look very very weird

[hardy dust]

Very strong.

[drowsy pasture]

17 dmg then

[crisp heart]

You're just making another M11

[drowsy pasture]

Ok then Nerf the m11 to the ground and just put the current m11 stats on the new mp7

I just want an mp7 in the game

Idk the stats for any of the guns so Idk how to balance things

[hardy dust]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/htmlview?pli=1

[late sequoia]

An AUG would be a cool ranged AR.
18dmg 30rnd mag 525rpm, but 2x crits

[drowsy pasture]

Aug would be really cool

Would it be burst or full auto?

[late sequoia]

Hopefully auto, bursts are already bad enough when someone gets up close on you.

We already have the pike for "good at range but you're F'd if a dash light with an M11 or even melee shows up".

[drowsy pasture]

Ww2 weapons into the finals

Tommygun for light, stg for med, and browning for heavy

1200 rpm tommy gun 50 round drum mag 2.5 reload speed 13 dmg 1.2 headshot multiplier

[late sequoia]

Finals doesn't have much in the way of weapon selection, so I'd personally prefer if WW2 weapons were reserved for skin packs that way we could see lots more in a shorter time span than if they were added as proper guns.

[drowsy pasture]

Sob

[hardy dust]

Lewis gun is from ww1.

[drowsy pasture]

The finals is so unique compared to other shooters and I love and hate it because of that

[hardy dust]

So ww2 weapons is entirely possible.

[late sequoia]

No WW2 skin for it then?

[drowsy pasture]

I don't think there should be real weapon skins

[late sequoia]

Welrod pistol would be cool.
bolt action pistol, high crit head shot machine (IE, 45dmg, 3x crit)

Don't know if you've played Marauders, but that's the game that really got me into the welrod (before Marauders utterly NEUTERED head shot damage).

[drowsy pasture]

I sleep

Night night

[late sequoia]

sleep tight

[north flint]

That's crazy

[north flint]

Sounds good actually

[crisp heart]

Akimbo sword
Oh wait

[late sequoia]

Still want my Akimbo Riots first... 😂

[north flint]

What about akimbo sledgehammers😂

Make it look like you bowing down when you smash someome

[vale mulch]

AKIMBO RPG

[north flint]

Sounds like you cooking

What about akimbo m60

[late sequoia]

Akimbo medguns
Akimbo paddles, revives all downed enemies in a 20m radius

[north flint]

Or
Hear me out
Akimbo healbeam😎

[late sequoia]

Just said that, akimbo medguns

[crisp heart]

Akimbo stungun

[north flint]

Oh shit didnt realize😭

How about akimbo grenades

[late sequoia]

akimbo charge n slam

Full auto tracker darts

shotgun thermal bore

[ripe forge]

Wassup fellas yall know where i can find a group?

[late sequoia]

vanishing nuke, covers the whole map

[vale mulch]

akimbo goo gun

[vale mulch]

-lfg

[raven finch]

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Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[crisp heart]

Akimbo defib

[north flint]

What about full auto 1887s with 12 rounds on each gun😭

[ripe forge]

Thanks

[late sequoia]

Mesh dome

[north flint]

What about and charge and nuke😂

[north flint]

Akimbo turrets

[late sequoia]

gravity cube, locks you in place so you can't move like getting goo'd without the goo to block bullets from hitting you

[north flint]

And goo gun has little sticky grenades in it

[late sequoia]

cl40 loaded with gas grenades

[crisp heart]

Grappling hook but it's the 3d maneuver gear

[north flint]

Grenade launcher with incendiary grenades 😂

[late sequoia]

grenade launcher with vanishing bombs

[north flint]

Akm with rpg bullets

[late sequoia]

M11 firing 1887 rounds

[crisp heart]

Medigun that can make you bulletproof

[late sequoia]

1887 firing cl40 shots for pellets

M60 firing SR84 rounds

Lewis gun firing MGL32 rounds

[north flint]

Cl40 shooting flames

Fcar shooting gas nukes

Rpg shooting fart

[late sequoia]

M26 firing fire grenades as pellets

[crisp heart]

Stun gun that just kills whoever gets hit

[late sequoia]

thermal vision, you get spotted on it, you instantly die

[north flint]

Frag grenade that kills everyone even your teammates no matter where they are on the map

[wind hazel]

Idk if this has already been said in here but we need to be able to change sights while in the practice range, feels weird this isn’t a thing to begin with..

[late sequoia]

You should be able to change them from the equipment menu right before a match, just like swapping from one weapon to the next before respawning in a match.

[wind hazel]

Nah you can’t do that

[icy sparrow]

@shrewd finch actually u have to be precise with pistol and headshot for medium range and it not meant to be as good a m11 close range.

[shrewd finch]

if they wanted the v9s to be good medium range they wouldnt have gutted the dmg falloff at launch. beyond 15-20m it feels like ur throwing rocks even when you land a whole clip. they literally intended for the v9 to be a close range single fire gun

[icy sparrow]

R u sure the damage buff doesn’t make up for medium close range?

[shrewd finch]

youre forgetting they also nerfed the firerate which also directly contributes to dps. sure you might do 2 more damage at range but youre shooting at around 60-70 less rpm

v9 was meant to be a close range single fire gun like how the m11 being fills the role of being a full auto close range gun but now theres no reason to pick the v9s when you have to tap fire and it deals less dmg

[icy sparrow]

Do u agree? #👂┇game-feedback message

[shrewd finch]

if they wanted to nerf the v9 fire rate it shouldve been to 400rpm so it would be closer to the original dps without being as spammy

[icy sparrow]

I changed it read again

[vale mulch]

i am still SO confused as to how you advertise your random af ideas like a door to door salesman

[icy sparrow]

Hahahahahahahaja

[icy sparrow]

Those r balanced ideas and people don’t talk about it in detail

[icy sparrow]

U give zero feedback in suggestion

[vale mulch]

again

what?????

[icy sparrow]

?

[charred snow]

I’m not sure if anyone knows this but if you use a weapon you haven’t used for a long time, your games are full of level ones. Like this morning I used the FCAR which I haven’t used in like 5 months and I got 20 kills and 1 death then the next game the opponents got harder because I played so well. It happens to me all the time when I use bad weapons for the first time in a while?

[feral ibex]

i kinda get this but if its just u havent played in awile in genreal from my experiance anyway

[misty axle]

CL-40 is so OP: it can 2-shot a medium
||if it's yourself||.

[vital pier]

real

[maiden niche]

Look at what it is now. It was fine in previous seasons. Have you changed people this season? What balance? That idiot gun 566 is not weakened at all. That pistol doesn't need to be weakened. It's really conceivable to reduce the rate of fire! Shit season

Garbage game, deserves no one to play, a little balance won't do

[hazy hemlock]

Blame scrollwheel clickers lol

[willow oyster]

Arm blades🤨

[deft ibex]

data reshaper xp buff 🤤

[plucky spade]

Ι've never wanted to stomp light player heads into the ground more than after 4.0.
These guys getting all the goodies and a single rifle comes around that doesn't even out dpm them and suddenly the world is on fire

[fading grotto]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1294274843239518318

[restive plover]

Most other mediums don't even like the pike. It is simply too good at every range that isn't hipfire.

[plucky spade]

Nah still don't believe it, you got the best mobility and all you do is run directly at the pike user.
Pike is just lh1 with less ammo.

Actually, does lh1 deal less damage?

[supple oracle]

Pike deals 52 damage, lh1 deals 47-48

[plucky spade]

But lh1 is faster and bigger magsize

Is the sight's situation any better on lh1?

Cause i remember it being very unwieldy due to that god awful iron

[restive plover]

They have the same times to kill for lights and heavies, pike is only slower on mediums(still as fast as the akm however.

[plucky spade]

So lh1 kills a med as fast an pike kills a light right?

[restive plover]

Pike kills faster in this scenario.

[plucky spade]

Ok then as it should

Is it annoying against heavies?

I won't talk about meds cause the model is right there and ak/fcar outshine it in close quarters ( below 15m )

[restive plover]

Also I forgot about the damage nerf. It is slower than the lh1 on heavies.

[plucky spade]

Yeah it should of course

I think heavies should withstand it better in order to be able to close the distance

[restive plover]

Pike easily outranges everything they have and their options to mitigate that are very limited with all the shield nerfs.

[plucky spade]

I used to disagree on how bad the shield nerfs were, but now the mesh shield cooldown should warrant a dome shield buff. Now that heavy can't just raise a fuck you block any time he wants, he should be better in patching up holes in the team's hp

[plucky spade]

And tell me, what happens to pike users at 10 meters?

[last solar]

They have to crouch, cuz crouching make hip fire more accurate

[plucky spade]

And even easier to kill.

And even more importantly, they can't match your movement any better than standing up

And that should be important in close quarters especially in hip fire

[last solar]

I use crouch and it works really good u would be surprised

[plucky spade]

Laser pointer pike when crouched?

I didn't know of that tbh, i thought that hipfire would be as bad as when standing, or you know. A bit better

[restive plover]

The pike feels clunky when compared with other options mediums have, even when compared to other single fire weapons (like the lh1) it just doesn’t feel good to use to me, I feel like it hits too hard and shoots too slow. (opinion) might have smth to do with me being on Xbox but idk lol.

[fleet brook]

Quick scoping

It's not that hard to just quick scope

[plucky spade]

On a semi auto?

Oh what if ads time goes up

[plucky spade]

Wait what sbout 50 cals

[dire verge]

Hey guys, is there a noticeable difference on invis players between effects being low or medium?

[restive plover]

I feel like players see me more often and the sound of invis sounds louder than last season, idk tho didn’t read all the patch notes.

But like I said idk

[polar trout]

They mean is there an advantage to spotting invis lights based on your graphics settings

[sand monolith]

It’s probably the really bad input buffer system the use

If you press the trigger before the 2nd shot is ready it will just fire that shot immediately once it catches up. Which feels really bad to use

[icy sparrow]

It’s completely unusable after the 3rd shot LH1 cause recoil ,so fast doesn’t always matter

[plucky spade]

That's true, lh1 handling shouldn't be that ass

[polar trout]

Yo I'm not sure if I'm going crazy but I've noticed that since they made the God cube weigh more it doesn't match the indicator for where it's gonna be thrown.

[burnt canyon]

If lh1 was buffed to pike recoil, would we enter the dmr meta?

[timber sparrow]

yeah

[green plover]

Theres legit NOTHING you can do against a sledgehammer heavy camping point

[static lodge]

what about killing them from further than 2 meters away

unless the point is REALLY cramped, thats just bs

(and if the point is really cramped, bring the building down)

or just play counter sledge

Sledge and dagger should be the only 2 weapons in the game anyway

[arctic fog]

It's pretty satisfying to kill a sledge heavy with dagger

[exotic skiff]

think a bit I am sure you can do it

[verbal apex]

Shoot him?

[spiral pilot]

above you see the revolver and below the deagle, talking about min and max range for damage. IF the deagle ever gets nerfed it should be the min and max range, its quite high. the revolver really needs a range buff and look at those 45% multiplier thats really bad too

i think naturally the revolver should have the same or higher range than the deagles

[leaden iris]

What's better jump pad or zipline?

[covert parcel]

personal preference, same thing just slightly different

[vale mulch]

praying on a sword gutting

[spiral pilot]

for weapons like cl40 or model i would always go jumppad

[polar trout]

I like zip as it's not so dependent on the environment to get horizontal but it's up to you

Also I did a funny thing with my zip where I put it across a gap and then another team idiotically tried to follow me so I blew it up with the cl40

[green plover]

is sledgehammer good?

[polar trout]

If you are

[green plover]

best weapon for heavy?

[polar trout]

No

[green plover]

no i mean like which is the best

[polar trout]

But you can succeed with it if you learn how to use it and how to predict where the opps are gonna be

Prolly deags, maybe one of the MGs

Maybe SA1216 idk how it's doing now that it's main spec basically got removed

[green plover]

o

medium or heavy what should i main?

[polar trout]

Uh

Heavy is oft more fun if you play it for fun cuz it has more creative options

[green plover]

whats the most fun class

[polar trout]

Defo H or L

[green plover]

should i try light?

[polar trout]

Med can be fun but it's kinda basic what with normal ARs and pretty boring gadgets

[green plover]

im gonna try light

[polar trout]

Oki. I like 93R m11 and sword but try everything

[green plover]

how will i have the cash to try everything.. 😭

[polar trout]

Uh idk earn it

[green plover]

sigh, well ty for the help!

[polar trout]

What's your preferred play style in fps games

[green plover]

i dont really know

[polar trout]

Well alright then

Good luck I suppose

[green plover]

thanks!

[polar trout]

Np

[green plover]

whats the meta gadgets for heavy?

[spiral pilot]

why you ask others? play it and see yourself if you like it

[green plover]

true

[arctic fog]

Use what you find fun and you'll have a good time

[spiral pilot]

just go training mode and test out all weapons and gadgets and classes for free

[green plover]

CAN I?

[spiral pilot]

yeah

[green plover]

holy hell why didnt nobody tell me, training grounds here we goo

[spiral pilot]

go to the console there you can choose weapons classes etc. in training mode

[green plover]

ah nice

[polar trout]

Mb didn't know that training grounds unlocked everything ngl

[raw bobcat]

soooo, credit card skin for throwing knives.... how did embark miss that opportunity

[covert lagoon]

XD Credit card skin would be atually nic

[spiral pilot]

the xp-54 needs a buff 480 dmg per mag is really low compared to most other guns, either magazine buff or at least a range buff if you dont want us dmg back. it also has quite a long reload for a SMG so the dmg it can dish out in a longer fight is compareable low

[wooden glade]

I feel like the range of the cap-54 really makes up for the lower rof and damage. It lets you shred people further than you would m11. Correct me if I’m wrong though!

[spiral pilot]

it does but its very bad in close and even on longer ranges its not as good anymore it was nerfed by 2 damage, which is alot. doing such low dmg is also a higher risk you take with light when deagle and pikes now exist

[leaden iris]

Can someone explained to me why the devs haven't made the turrets shoot each other?

[upper sinew]

i dont think we have a wappon/gadget burst damage metta (burst damage = melee, shot gunn, dmr or rocket)

[languid crag]

they should add in a serbu super shorty for the medium since the light has 2 shotguns

[glacial socket]

The turrets track based on the cyber link you use to jack in to your contestant. Bc the turrets are just vr objects with no incoming cyber connection, no different than any of the other arena carrieables, they can’t track or detect each other.

Idk bro I have no clue.

[void harbor]

It's just a theory

[sage hound]

Medium is basically a supp role as i see so far... I use goo grenade a lot but I feel like it should stun people when u hit them now it just like hit them and after 0.1 sec they are free of it it should stun them for at least a second or 2 I think it could be good mechanic for medium as I said it is mostly used as a supp role... Any thoughts?

[shell sonnet]

Stuns suck, we dont need even more

Aside from that, goo nades are already incredibly versitile and very powerful if used right, i dont think they need a buff

[supple oracle]

i wish i could bring smokes on heavy to counter fire...seeing my goo work (Goo gun) go in flames in just a flash is so disheartening

[shell sonnet]

I get where youre coming from

But look at it from their perspective
Would you want to spend 4 minutes mag dumping goo to get anywhere/attack someone?

[supple oracle]

i know for balance reasons it wouldn't be smart to give heavy a smoke grenade, but the yearn for it just to keep your babies ups...

[shell sonnet]

On that note though, smoke nade buff?

[supple oracle]

also would allow me to try goo and flamethrower without accidentaly destroying my work, but alas

smoke needs a complete change in its effect

sometimes you can see the dude inside the smoke, sometimes you can't even see his toe inside the smoke

[shell sonnet]

Thats just consistency, thats a given that an item should be consistent

It barely blocks vision unless youre inside it

But outside of that, id like a recharge buff

[supple oracle]

its inconsitent as shit, not only that, the smoke is a gradual buildup, it shouldn't be gradual, it should be instant like CS:GO, also more dense smoke

oh right, apart from hiding outlines and health bars, it could also hide hitmarkers

[shell sonnet]

Id like to see what its like if we had 1 more, with less duration but way faster recharge

[supple oracle]

well, hitmarkers and the hitsound

[shell sonnet]

For the fire fighter purpose and to hide really quickly for something like a revive

[shell sonnet]

Those no, you need some way of knowing if anything is in there

Healthbar being hidden is good, because otherwise that would make smoke "useless"

[timber sparrow]

is the xp still good?

[drowsy pasture]

What we talking about?

[short topaz]

I have been playing The Finals for a few weeks now, I use the FCAR, but I dont know if its the best. What do you guys think the best Medium gun is?

[lament orbit]

I came here looking to discuss that too lol it was definitely the pike before it's nerf. Now I'm not sure

[ripe basalt]

imo, after the new season patch i feel the practicality of the FCAR has gone down. AK still feels like a solid gun esp with the new optic and famas with optic is capable of being plain disgusting in fights

[short topaz]

Thanks! I will try these out in practice mode!

[ripe basalt]

i like the model, it is a beast of a gun. i just prefer consistency and having the option of some range at the same time which steers me to the rifles, but i do enjoy a little trolling too

[leaden iris]

What's better lh1 with scope or the sniper ?

[restive plover]

Lh1 easily.

[drowsy pasture]

The model doesn't feel like a shotgun

Or at least it feels like I'm shooting slugs instead of pellets

But I do love using it a lot

[hybrid horizon]

Do you normally aim or no scope it

[drowsy pasture]

There isn't even a scope

If you're talking about hipfire or ads I normally hipfire

[hybrid horizon]

mb, I use hipfire and no scope interchangeably.

I don't know how the bullet spread of the model looks, but I'm sure at the distance most model encounters go, it would still feel like shooting a slug over pellets if your crosshair is in the general area code of the enemy

[ripe basalt]

without opening the game, the spread fits into a square border and is like an X and smaller diamond of 4 pellets merged together? correct if im wrong tho

[hallow leaf]

Can we get a defib nerf to where they can't defib the person I'm 99% on reviving

[drowsy pasture]

No

[hallow leaf]

That shit happens way too often

[drowsy pasture]

What?

[hallow leaf]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[ripe basalt]

also idk if this would help for consistency-sake but you could do a psuedo quickscope motion when shooting? i bounce between that and just hipfire

[drowsy pasture]

What does this mean?

[ripe basalt]

this is just some grade-a trolling by your mediums, no need to change the behavior of the defib

[hallow leaf]

When I'm reviving someone and I almost have them revived and random med comes and defibs them

[drowsy pasture]

Omg

That doesn't need to be changed just tell your teammate to stop being stupid

[late sequoia]

defibbing a partial-revive isn't always a bad thing either.
I've had some idiot team mates try reviving moments before enemies show up, so you defib the guy he was reviving to force him to shoot instead of sitting there handing the enemy a free kill and leaving you to 1v2 or 1v3 an enemy team.

[spiral pilot]

doesnt work

[drowsy pasture]

Then ddos them

[late sequoia]

LOL

imagine if that was the official advice.
"Just DDOS players who are below your skill level."

[drowsy pasture]

If they are worse than you just team kill them in hoping they leave and getting a better teammate

[late sequoia]

It would be nice if there were friendly fire in the game, it'd force groups to play a bit more tactically and less stupidly charging all in from the same door or through ally grenades/GL shots.

[drowsy pasture]

That would be so bad

[clever carbon]

I hate the changes made to the XPs scope 😦

[late sequoia]

It's stupid that it has lens flare like a sniper now.

[drowsy pasture]

What gun is the xp again?

[late sequoia]

anything shy of the SR84 shouldn't have it

[late sequoia]

it's the MP5 smg on Light

[drowsy pasture]

Oh

[clever carbon]

Didn’t even know that was added, was talking about the change in zoom and the chevron being thinner

[drowsy pasture]

What did they do to it?

[clever carbon]

Pike probably should keep it

[late sequoia]

they did it to screw over LH1/pike/FAMAS/etc.

[drowsy pasture]

What did they do? I haven't used the famas recently but I was planning on using it again

[late sequoia]

TBH, with the new pike nerfs, it's effectively just a worse LH1 now, so even it doesn't need sniper scope lens flare.

[late sequoia]

using the 2x scope gives guns lens flare past a certain distance (like, 8-12m).

[drowsy pasture]

Oh

[late sequoia]

It really shouldn't.
Only the 2.5x SR84 sniper should have scope lens flare
(TBH, just anything that can one-shot head shot you is the only weapon model that should get lens flare on any optic. So there shouldn't be flare on Pike/LH1/FAMAS/XP-54/etc)

[drowsy pasture]

Wait that sounds so bad

I'm still gonna use the famas but that sounds very poo and if I don't like it then I guess I'll use the models again

[fair heart]

The pike has been nerfed?

[ripe basalt]

59 -> 52 per shot, nothing else too crazy

[bitter surge]

MAKE KS-23 A HITSCAN INSTEAD OF A PROJECTILE WEAPON

[drowsy pasture]

What gun is the ks23 again?

[deep karma]

Heavy slug shotgun

[drowsy pasture]

Oh

[sinful dagger]

It's still a better lh1 even after the nerf. Lh1 does 49 with much worse range and sights. Only advantage is fire rate and reload speed

[hybrid lark]

when are we gonna get different coloured goo ahhh!

[fair heart]

Ahh just played QC with it, seemed strong

[ripe basalt]

I haven't run into too many after 4.2 dropped but I imagine this change makes it shred less than before where I actually had issues

[late sequoia]

Yep.
Significant damage nerf (extra head and body shot for all classes past 50m iirc)

[late sequoia]

And 20% more ammo.

"Only advantage is half te guns' stats are better, making it viable for cqc and close range, at the cost of literally nothing except 1 extra body (but NOT head) shot."

That's like saying the old cl40 was worse than the hand thrown grenade because old CL40 didn't do as much max damage per shot.

[restive plover]

Only the damage was touched, and it really wasn't that significant.

[late sequoia]

Yep, my bad, that was the V9S that got the fire rate nerf

[wooden glade]

Just played with 93R finally after it's tweaks and it feels really good no?

[late sequoia]

I rarely use anything but the V9S and LH1 nowadays.
Tried the M26 just to try it, it's okay but the V9's just too good if your aim isn't dogpoop, and the LH1 can do about 95% as well for the same job while also excelling at range. (And the same head shot kill count as the Pike, but with better accuracy reset time, fire rate, and mag size).

Edit:
Oh, may bad, forgot the LH1 also gets a 2x crit rather than 1.5x crit.
LH1's better at head shots by 1 across the board.

[wooden glade]

I know the meta, im not that dumb, but im saying the 93 is better than i expected it to be

Went 23 and 4 with it in a match

[late sequoia]

I didn't assume you were dumb, was just saying I've hardly even given it a chance because so I still have no reason to use it.

[wooden glade]

Sorry, that was aggressive, how i put it. But i understand now what you mean. I just hope that the balancing really locks in soon

[vale mulch]

as unreasonable as it is i so badly want a lightless queue for wt

[late sequoia]

Yeah, the game's balance is all over the place.
Light's the go-to against players who don't have exceptional aim, heavy's the go-to against players with exceptional aim, and medium's the go-to for... well, nothing except movement/support.

(And by movement, I mean team movement. It's single-person movement value is a joke compared to Light, so even the movement value is situational.)

[late sequoia]

I'd love to see a SWAT style game mode, like in Halo 3 and Reach matches back in the day.

Weapon choice is locked at a small selection, class choice too, body shots do half damage (or less), head shots do 2x.

[vale mulch]

nah, just lightless queue because i want a skill based match

[vague monolith]

revert guns to how they were in season 2, keep gadgets as they are, bam perfect season

[late sequoia]

Swat game mode:

Body damage 0.5x
Head damage 2.5x (rather than 1.5x)

Force everyone to play as Medium
Demat only
FAMAS/Pike/Revolver for weapon choices
No explosives
Gas/Fire can be kept as-is (uneffected by damage multipliers)
No paddles, revives are timer-only

5s respawn timer
3 teams of 3
First team to a set number (50?) of kills total wins

[sinful dagger]

You can't say "half the guns stats are better" certain stats on guns matter a lot more than the other. Damage, fire rate, and range being the most important.

[late sequoia]

You're right.
The 1887 must be trash.
Only 15 damage per projectile, horrible fire rate, and the range is a joke.

[sinful dagger]

100 damage every shot on average is pretty good, fire rate is fine, range is incredible for that kind of damage

[late sequoia]

My point is cherry picking stats is not a viable way to determine viability.

LH1 is better almost across the board.

And especially better at the intended (and practical) use cases.

[sinful dagger]

Of course you don't only use those stats, but they should be weighted higher

[late sequoia]

Crit damage alone makes the LH1 better, the pike is purpose built for accurate shot placement.

96dmg a shot vs 78

[sinful dagger]

I personally find It significantly harder to hit lh1 heads than pike but that could just be me

[late sequoia]

And if they get up close enough you don't want to ADS, LH1 has better fire rate and mag size (and I'd wager better chest shot TTKs too at max fire rate, but I don't have an exact max fire rate number for the LH1 but it's probably in the 320-360 range, while pike is 200rpm)

[late sequoia]

Slow down a little, the pike's decent-ish recovery time between shots only barely exceeds it's max firing speed, so it's much harder to lose control of your shot placement (but it's maximum performance is also worse, and in CQC it's not even close to comparing).

LH1's recovery time is better than the Pike, but it's max fire rate well exceeds it's recovery time, so it's VERY easy to lose control if you're not pacing it's shots appropriately for the given range.

The LH1 is one of those "harder to master, but when you do it'll utterly STOMP the competition" weapons.

[sinful dagger]

Oh, so your point was fully mastered lh1 is better than mastered pike. I can definitely see that

[late sequoia]

Yeah.
Pike just takes less practice is all, but with practice it's performance is significantly worse when mastered than an LH1 when you do the same.

[sinful dagger]

Alright yea if your hitting 90% of lh shots it should perform better

[late sequoia]

TBH, it really didn't need the 59>52 damage nerf to begin with.
The reason everyone's been complaining about it is just that it's good in the hands of more people right out the gate, so they're getting bested by it more than the LH1.

And TBH, I'd prefer to see all weapons be a bit easier to use.

You shouldn't have to make mastering a weapon a full time job to enjoy the game.

I have an erradic work schedule, so often times I can afford to dedicate long swaths of time, but most people don't so it shouldn't be an expectation (sadly, it kinda is atm).

[sinful dagger]

I think that's stretching it a bit. Weapons that are easy to use shouldn't have such high damage. They shouldnt be better than "alright" and "viable"

S tier weapons should always require an interesting difficult play style. Easy to use should range from low A to high C

Id rank previous pike 2nd best in the game after model

[late sequoia]

For extreme performers like the SR84 that can wipe a heavy in record time (thanks to the raw damage and 2x crit) at most any range, sure.

But the pike, lh1, famas, revolver, etc. are all far more forgiving on the receiving end.
At range, you've got plenty time to take cover (unless you're an idiot just rushing out into the open, but that's more suicide and the player's fault if that happens).

[sinful dagger]

The problem is a lot of points in the game are impossible to not "rush." And pike would outdo anything even if they miss half their mag

[late sequoia]

Medium's weapons are all significant underperformers except a few, tbh.

Pike and 1887 are just average compared to most light weapons.
1887 is just pitiful compared to a number of heavy's no-aim close range weapons (flame thrower and SA12 mostly, given how many melee options heavy gets that I wouldn't want to directly compare a firearm to), but it has no significant ranged option to compare the pike to so that's just a moot point.

[late sequoia]

I can only think of a few.
Ones on moving platforms that have no destructible floor, and the singular one out in the open of that modern art looking area on SYS Horizon.

The rest are all either inside buildings with plenty of cover, or atop them where you can drop them into a building.

Oh, and the couple park areas with the elevators in either corner of the map with the church in it's center (forget that one's name)

still, VERY few options for low cover points (all of which can be decently well mitigated with some foam barrels and heavy barricades ).

[chrome crypt]

what's the meta heavy loadout

[warm jackal]

Don't know, never a heavy player

Guys, should we add triple jump boots? Or maybe jetpack?

[exotic skiff]

Charge/winch sas12 C4 or barricade, rpg , bubble

[chrome crypt]

ok thanks

[chrome crypt]

is it not the two pistols i keep getting killed by them

[drowsy pasture]

No

[exotic skiff]

Deagle require to Land a lot of HS to be very viable

[drowsy pasture]

Call me scream

[exotic skiff]

W

[warm jackal]

They deal decent damage and speed of attack, but maybe not much for a heavy

[shut bane]

dual blades really need to be faster like holy

takes an eternity just to bring down a heavy, by the time i kill them they might aswell have blown up the floor beneath us and charged me lmao

[normal ice]

Meanwhile, Sledgehammer kills in 2 hits 🎉🎉🎉
srs those things need fixing tho

[shut bane]

sledge is fine considering how slow heavies are, i think shield and baton is probably the best of the two mediums have

[normal ice]

I think Sledge is okay too. Just saying DB feels like cardboard tubes by comparison

[upbeat prism]

Somebody give me the loudut for light 2

[normal ice]

what's loadout 1?

[upbeat prism]

For light 1

[normal ice]

lol

[upbeat prism]

You prefer

[normal ice]

Try uhh... V9S/M11/LH1 for primary

[upbeat prism]

K

[normal ice]

Dash or hook as specialization, NEVER cloak

Stun Gun or Glitch Grenade

Goo Grenade or Pyro Grenade

[upbeat prism]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-1274766959165009975

[normal ice]

Vanish Bomb or Gateway

maybe mix those around a bit
also Frag Grenade is universally useful if you wanna try that

[upbeat prism]

That is all

[normal ice]

Oh, sorry, one more

[upbeat prism]

Ok thanks

[normal ice]

Sonar Grenade is nice if you need it, especially for finding isolated targets

Those are all the main staples since S1

[upbeat prism]

I am going to put it right now

[normal ice]

Good luck, mate :^)

[upbeat prism]

Ok

You to mate

[lament mountain]

i think there should be skins for throwing knives that make them look like daggers and a skin for dagger that makes it look like a throwing knife

call them "Mixing It Up - For contestants who don't mind causing a bit of confusion"

[drowsy pasture]

Throwing knife skin that's a gun

[lament mountain]

Gadget idea: fake jump pad. It shows up as a holographic red jump pad for your allies, but as a regular jump pad for your opponents.

It is functionally an explosive mine.

[shadow onyx]

Imagine the finals had some crazy builds

Like other stuff for cosmetics only like suppressors, peqs, lights, and grips

[versed siren]

my ability to play the finals is reliant on the viability of the sword because i can’t aim am i cooked

[sand monolith]

Why not cloak

[languid crag]

medium needs an smg or something like that maybe an mp7 with a holographic sight

[turbid sierra]

The Finals x Forward Observations

[shadow onyx]

I was actually tweaking when I made that build 💀

[sand monolith]

Medium should definitely not get any close range weapons

Unless it’s extremely committal like a melee weapon

[languid crag]

flamethrower needs to be nerfed

[bronze spade]

i disagree, if you look at the additions of every class had gotten in the past few season, every class will have thier own take of said weapon respectfully

[languid crag]

also the shotgun is close range

[sand monolith]

Yes and it’s also busted

[sand monolith]

Yeah because both light and heavy should be able to specialize in cqc

[bronze spade]

its busted simply for the fact that you can reload cancel and if done right you can have it where you never have to reload again with the shells

[sand monolith]

Medium should be able to specialize in cqc too. But via the use of a specialization rather than a primary weapon. Or else it will always be overpowered

[grizzled cliff]

flunk the finals, watch my video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKaZu_sVjm0

[sand monolith]

In the same way heavy being able to duel from long range will always be overpowered

[bronze spade]

the model is just too slow for my taste not saying the gun isnt strong but it is a shotgun for ffs

[languid crag]

well the light has 2 smgs and the heavy has a lmg that does low damage but has high ammo and firerate why cant the medium have an smg

[sand monolith]

Yes it should definitely be stronger than the rifles in cqc. But not as strong as it is now

If medium were to have an smg it would need to be weaker than the light smgs

[languid crag]

well then it would be useless

[sand monolith]

Which would be very hard to balance against the rifles

[bronze spade]

med should get a tommy gun

[sand monolith]

Yes which is why medium shouldn’t get an smg

[languid crag]

well what about another shotgun

[sand monolith]

You can’t put a balanced smg on medium it won’t work

[bronze spade]

shotguns dont do headshot dmg rifles do

[languid crag]

yeah

[sand monolith]

I meant the smg but yes. The shotgun would still need to be generally weak. Medium shouldn’t have any inherently strong cqc weapons or else it will always be op

[bronze spade]

rifles should be able to outclass a shotgun if you are always aiming for head unless its close

[sand monolith]

Medium needs a specialization for cqc instead of a weapon. The ability for medium to use both heal gun and an amazing cqc weapon will ruin higher elo games always

[languid crag]

model 1887 is best against lights for heavys using flamethrowers not so much

[sand monolith]

It’s an inherently overpowered combination. Which is why medium should need to sacrifice healgun for good cqc

[bronze spade]

light needs more support to the team in some way rather then dmg

[sand monolith]

Lights have an insane amount of support. Most just don’t use it

High elo lights play entirely off of their team and their biggest contributions are through gadgets

[bronze spade]

not entirely, its weak support vs a healing beam or a defib

they need to have something that keeps them alive

[languid crag]

heavys flamethrowers is pretty unbalanced

[sand monolith]

This is meant to be their specials. All of their specials are bad at doing this

If light could keep itself alive reliably it would fix every issue with the class

It would immediately be viable in competitive

[bronze spade]

ironically my favorite med special is dematerializer and would recommend picking it over the light beam

[languid crag]

give medium the stoehr smg

[sand monolith]

They can hardly balance the two medium automatics against each other rn anyways

AKM is still just better than fcar

[languid crag]

the stoehr smg is 22 lr

[bronze spade]

fcar is better at shorter range and without scope

fcar also has a shorter reload time

[sand monolith]

Yeah but you’re also reloading more often. AKM is a better generalist weapon which means it wins easily

Just because of how many different situations you’ll be in throughout a round

[bronze spade]

not entirely im also doing more damage in a fight if im hitting head

too many akm kids thought they had the drop on me just to get beamed

[sand monolith]

The ttk values are pretty much even

They trade within like .2s depending on the class

[languid crag]

what about a tommy gun for heavy

[sand monolith]

So it’s pretty easy to disregard Ttk and see that AKM wins in pretty much every other spot

[sand monolith]

This would work well

[languid crag]

yeah

[sand monolith]

Heavy is meant for close range pretty much exclusively and it has a large drum mag

[languid crag]

true

[bronze spade]

again its also depending on how you are using it, you can say that akm is better at being the all rounder but if you take the time to set up the fcar it feels and works better

[sand monolith]

I think that’s subjective

[bronze spade]

but if you're looking for straight up stats, its the famas or pike

[sand monolith]

Famas and AKM should trade hipfires

Why does the long range rifle have a better hipfire than the shortest range rifle