💣┇weapons-gadgets

[restive plover]

This man wants recon senses back.

[shell sonnet]

Does spear have extended melee range?

[crisp heart]

yes

[restive plover]

Although recon probably will return this season, wild to think about. They did say they would work on it.

[crisp heart]

it's the spears only great feature

[lilac terrace]

no melee weapon this season it seems, wonder if any tweaks are dropping

[crisp heart]

we gotta wait for the Heavy Boxing gloves

[lilac terrace]

real

[magic path]

team fortress 3

[dim onyx]

they need to make it throwable

[stiff vine]

hold right click to throw spear and you can winch it back

[chrome bobcat]

defintely not coming back you can not balance literal wallhacks

[hallow current]

I wonder what this is

[covert parcel]

smoke sky barrels?

[jade violet]

whats this guys

a repeater?

[hallow current]

You right

[jade violet]

the new weapon of season 4,as we know one is dual deagle

[tidal hollow]

👆

[hallow current]

Idk guns.

SMG?
Shotgun?
Rifle?

[jade violet]

Rifle

[hallow current]

Auto shotty for light?

What's that for the mid?

Dual DEGALS for heavy lfg.

[magic path]

M26 is bolt-action

we are assuming that it's dmr for mid

[hallow current]

Oh, it's a rifle for the light? Or that one is for the mid?

[hallow current]

Tf? Bolt action shotty?

[jade violet]

for middle i think

[jade violet]

whats is M26

[magic path]

underbarrel shotgun with magazine

[hallow current]

Look at the picture above with the three weapons

[jade violet]

🤔

idk whats this,so u mean this is a shotgun?

[magic path]

@jade violet

[vale obsidian]

this?

[magic path]

SU-16 with foldable stock

[jade violet]

wtf is this,a homemade gun?

[hallow current]

Lul

[magic path]

it's a sports rifle for civilians

[hallow current]

I shared the picture again. Look.

[jade violet]

and M26 master key?

[magic path]

yes

[jade violet]

holy Jesus

[hallow current]

What's a master key?

[magic path]

unlike the one from rainbow six siege, originally it's bolt-action

could be semi-auto like siege tho

[magic path]

underbarrel shotguns for breaching doors

[hallow current]

Okay I think I understand now.

Instead of having it be under barrel they possibly made it auto for primary weapon use.

Interesting

[magic path]

technically it's for specific shotgun named KAC Masterkey

[magic path]

yes it's standalone version

[jade violet]

@magic path 中国人?

[magic path]

nope

[jade violet]

im sure i wont use these new weapon

[magic path]

I would try all of them

[jade violet]

my favorite is famas and KS

[magic path]

because finally we can counter light snipers with mid

[jade violet]

i enjoy KS Cannon

[hallow current]

Well, that means the design philosophy for the light class stays the same.

Nimble, high burst damage
(In this case closer range & low mag size)

I doubt they would put a high mag size on the shotty

[jade violet]

so su16 is semi auto?not full auto?

[magic path]

I think they did

[jade violet]

a sport rifle for ciwi?

[magic path]

look like the mag is bigger than it used to be

[hallow current]

I like to use the bow for that.

But what weapon will counter the sniper?

[magic path]

yes

[magic path]

isn't bow for lights tho

[hallow current]

You need to try these new weapons because this season the weapons will drop as strong weapons at the beginning

[jade violet]

i like R357

[hallow current]

Your right. I forgot.

[jade violet]

its powerful and never nerfed

cant imagine why they add ciwi weapon in this game

[magic path]

wonder what will be the difference between revolver and dmr

[jade violet]

why they cant add FN FAL or AS VAL

[magic path]

well they added non-lethal 40mm launcher as well so

[jade violet]

and KS,KS not a shotgun its a special weapon

[tidal hollow]

DMR will actually do damage at long ranges 🙏

[magic path]

it's a riot control shotgun made with AA cannon barrel

yeah, riot control.

[tidal hollow]

I wonder what role it will fill compared to DB

[jade violet]

is MiG-15 Bis Air Cannon barrel

[magic path]

Zu-23

[jade violet]

That means this thing is actually a cannon

[magic path]

I mean 23mm slug round can be considered as a cannon

since gun barrels over 20mm diameter is canon

[jade violet]

agree

[modern gull]

recon sense back?

[dim onyx]

this

[jade violet]

no way

thats not recon sense

that's wallhack

[eager wasp]

looks like its gonna be more of a dmr type weapon

[warm crane]

any ideas for the new gadgets?

[jade violet]

yes a sport rifle

not full auto,pity!

[eager wasp]

pull out a little tablet, and it sends an airstrike to any light sniper instantly killing them

[warm crane]

lmao that seems a little op

[eager wasp]

its against only light snipers tho so it makes it okay

it also targets teammate light snipers as well which would be the best part about it

[warm crane]

I have a feeling you dont like snipers

[shut bane]

Rangefinder and precision air strike for mediums

[sour path]

might be like a v9s thing with the su16

spam click it

also i saw a new pistol with a suppressor with an extended mag, looked like a new gun or a new skin for v9s that looked like a tactical john wick load out and i saw that the ak had a scope in the teaser

at 0:12 into the vid

[jade violet]

guys do u think the stun gun cant be nerf,if they nerf this it will be trash

[eager wasp]

idk but they need to do somethin about xp+stun is a bit much

[jade violet]

xp54?

idk why guys love this gun,i perfer another one

M11,best hip-fire SMG

maybe they should nerf XP54 I think

[stiff vine]

stun+anything is way too strong

[sour path]

the xp54 is the most reliable and accurate at any range with full auto and a sight picture @jade violet

[uncut citrus]

Stay tuned for future reveals of the stacked Battle Pass, a new set of circuits to feed your career, new weapons, alternative sights, and new cosmetic features such as additional faces, facial hair, and much more!

so theyre allowing alternating sight on ak for sure, possibly the new dmr and scar

[jade violet]

thats why it have to be nerf

[timber igloo]

FUCKING NERF SWORD AND 1887 TF IS ITS RANGE

WHY SO MUCH RANGE FOR A SHJOTGUN THAT DEALS THAT MUCH DAMMAGE

[jade violet]

when they nerfed SA again?

[tidal hollow]

Last season?

[jade violet]

they nerfed this from 13×8 to 13×7 and last time nerfed from 13×7 to 13×6?

[tidal hollow]

Wasn't the first nerf during S1

[jade violet]

yes what the last season nerf?

[tidal hollow]

7-6

[jade violet]

not spread?

spread and damage

[unborn stirrup]

XP 45 is just too viable at medium-long ranges, any remotely good player with it outclasses the majority of mediums in 1 - 1 fights

[jade violet]

thats why it have to be nerf

[unborn stirrup]

Honestly buffing medium's AR options (except for AK) would balance it out too, basically whatever makes the game more fun.

[jade violet]

@unborn stirrup should they nerf hevy again?

[bitter kindle]

Yo

[jade violet]

nerf hammer or claw

[bitter kindle]

Nerf health

At least like a tiny bit

[jade violet]

then SA1216 will be op

[bitter kindle]

So I don't have to dump 3 mags to kill 1 heavy

[bitter kindle]

I'm not saying make it near medium just a tiny nerf to health

[jade violet]

i like SA

[bitter kindle]

Cus killing a heavy is just a dream rn

Especially if ur light your just getting 2 tapped

[unborn stirrup]

Nah, honestly good where its at, which is an opinion I get lynched for

There has never been a time where I've had a fight with a heavy and been like "this is way too overpowered"

Every single time I get regularly killed by them is because either my positioning is bad or theirs is really good

[bitter kindle]

Sledgehammer nerf would be good.

Claw and sledge is just busted

[jade violet]

agree its more powerful than SA now

[unborn stirrup]

Sledge doesn't have any issues imo, it just isn't that powerful if you keep your distance

[bitter kindle]

Ye but until u get grabbed and a light stuns u your cooked

[jade violet]

and sledge hammer is brainless weapon,doesnt like SA have to aim

[unborn stirrup]

Its as simple as making sure you never come into range of a winch, and then just running away if you do

[stiff vine]

i'm pretty sure even mediums can outrun a sledge heavy trying to attack them

[unborn stirrup]

Thats just unavoidable good team coordination, basically the name of the game

[jade violet]

do u think they should give medium a suicide C4

[bitter kindle]

True

[unborn stirrup]

Done it more times than I can count, admittedly I almost entirely play casual so its mostly 1 on 1 fights, but the point still stands

[bitter kindle]

We need more support or defence gadgets , cus that's kinda what mediums playstyle is

[jade violet]

I need this(suicide C4) I think

[stiff vine]

when you equip sledge you basically lose to all lights

[bitter kindle]

Like a healing turrent or healing drone

[unborn stirrup]

Seriously

we need medic gaming incarnate

[jade violet]

Allah Akbar!

[bitter kindle]

Exactly

[stiff vine]

replacing the heal gun with a heal drone which will attach to a team mate would be sick

[bitter kindle]

Ye

[unborn stirrup]

Not replacing, but haviing two different specializations would be sick

[bitter kindle]

They need to add a demolition specialization

[unborn stirrup]

But honestly we need more support oriented gadgets, right now its literally impossible to have a full medium loadout dedicated to direct team support

[stiff vine]

wont they be nearly identical so one will always be worse than the other?

[bitter kindle]

Ngl there should be healing barrels

[stiff vine]

YES

[bitter kindle]

Adds more to the item switcher thingy I forgot the name

[remote swan]

data reshaper

[unborn stirrup]

Well think about it, heal gun is faster and requires you to be dedicated to healing said teammate losing your ability to shoot, healing drones would automatically heal a teammate at a much slower rate to full health, without you needing to dedicate yourself to it

[bitter kindle]

Ye ty

[stiff vine]

imagine if they replace gas/powder for healing gas that is pink and would heal you over time

[jade violet]

looks good?

[bitter kindle]

Nah it should be either blue or green , makes it easier to see across the map

[unborn stirrup]

#🔥┇drip-check

[stiff vine]

green is gas, so maybe red?

[unborn stirrup]

But yes

[bitter kindle]

Nah it should be blue

Small surface area tho to make it more precise

[stiff vine]

blue will blend in with that one polygon retro map too much

[bitter kindle]

True

What abt orange

[stiff vine]

red is bold and fits in children's hospitals really well

[bitter kindle]

We have to wait 15 full seconds to speak that is so dumb

[remote swan]

i’d say to make it a similar blue as your own team color

[stiff vine]

but anyone who walks into it would heal

[bitter kindle]

They should make your team color another one. Not just blue

[remote swan]

i was just saying that as the color, because glitch is also blue

[bitter kindle]

Like I actually enjoy the color green and orange ,I don't just wanna be blue

[stiff vine]

actually i see the issue with red color because the enemies would blend into it

[remote swan]

and red canisters already exist too

[bitter kindle]

It could be multi colored

[stiff vine]

maybe white?

and the gas is very thin

[bitter kindle]

Ye white would make it easier to see the outline of enemies

[calm turtle]

So did the trailer show anything besides the deagles?

[zinc kiln]

So far we saw an ak-like gun with a scope which could be a new gun or wepon customisation, something that looks like a new smg or shotgun for light and something that looked like a new smg but im not really sure

Here's the scoped ak

[ornate schooner]

Is medium or heavy getting the dual pistols?

[zinc kiln]

And the new smg?

[zinc kiln]

Heavy probably

[ornate schooner]

Man, I was hoping it would be medium

[bronze spade]

med is getting a dmr

[ornate schooner]

Wat dat

[bronze spade]

think of the l1 for light

[ornate schooner]

Ok

[bronze spade]

heavy akimbo deagles is going to absurd and fun to use

im calling it right now, its going to be strong and people are going to complain lmfao

[ornate schooner]

Frfr

[ornate schooner]

Same with the new light weapon

[bronze spade]

nah the new med weapon is going to be a s1 fcar and lights will get smoked lmfao

[covert parcel]

light is getting M26, shotgun

[naive glacier]

why this entire ospuze fit is so good?

[covert parcel]

its ospuze

[naive glacier]

all the ospuze fits we got today are kinda mid

[covert parcel]

OB tho

[timber idol]

the helmet looks so cool

[calm turtle]

Dragonov maybe?

Maybe like a LH1 but slower firing

[ornate schooner]

Good

They need to get their ego in check eventually

[calm turtle]

Where is this?

[covert parcel]

OB free rewardf, on YT

open beta is over tho, a year over

[calm turtle]

Dang

[zinc kiln]

Idk, the scope looks more like a modern 3x magnifier or a acog and the gas block/front sight definitely look like the akm

It's also definitely mounted on a pikitini rail and I can't see a Russian-to-pikitini adapter so it could be a more modern ak12?

[covert parcel]

some dudes say su18

m26 light
su16* medium
dual deagles heavy

[zinc kiln]

Also I think on the trailer there was what looked like an akm with a crazy muzzle break on the end which further hints towards wepon customisation

[zinc kiln]

Nvm actually, definitely not an ak, might be an su16?

[covert parcel]

yeah new med weapon has a sight or AKM is getting updated with a sight

[zinc kiln]

Su16 would nicely fill the role as a longer range weapon for medium whilst still holding ground at mid to close range unlike a sniperge

I think wepon customisation is very likely even if limited to a set of prebuilts

[stoic egret]

I just want the m60 to not suck booty hole

[near moss]

I'm 80% medium weapon is The Kel-Tec SU16CA

[covert parcel]

never heard of the guy

[calm turtle]

How would weapon customization work on weapons like the throwing knives?

[compact dagger]

https://youtube.com/shorts/OIOgO9uOAZA?si=PMxgkpi_zNxqAIKI

[drifting iron]

tommy gun when

??

[vale obsidian]

dude we got duel deagle
im pogging out of my mind

[drifting iron]

frfr

[shell sonnet]

Is there a way to tell friendly and an enemies glitch trap apart?

[proven scroll]

one shocks you one doesn't

i think they look identical

[uncut citrus]

has anyone noticed the M60 in the top right has a front grip and a small belt of ammo rather than a box mag???

it cant be cosmetic only cuz the ammo capacity is so low in the belt, it has to be a weapon variant or something like that

[slate kayak]

😟

[vale obsidian]

it don't choak you, its friendly
other then that i have no clue

[shell sonnet]

They should add something to tell them apart

No idea how often i nuked friendly traps out of existence with cl-40

Sometimes they suprise you in an engagement where you thought it were friendlies

They should get a team colored glow like all the other mines

[covert parcel]

its there but barely, not enough to be visible to the average player
not enough in a firefight

they need to alternate the "white glitch glow"
1 blip of the team color
bakc and forth

rn the white stays on permanantly while the team color blips on and off, but its severly overtaken by the white glow

[unborn jasper]

I'm going through the teaser frame by frame, and at about 10 seconds in (during the blue bridge clip with the mesh shield) I noticed something different about turrets.
(I would add a screenshot but no image perms :P )
The player places a turret and, instead of unequipping the turret gadget immediately, it instead gives the orange hologram/pre-placement thing that shows where a turret would be placed. I tested this in the current game, and it immediately stops showing the hologram once it is placed.
In the clip, the second hologram never goes blue (showing that the turret can be placed), but I think that is because it was still inside the first turret and would be invalid placement.
So either:

• Reworking the turret's charge / pickup system or allowing replacement
  or...
• Multiple turrets can be placed at the same time?!?! I presume that if they did this, it would also come with a nerf to their damage, health, or aim. Sounds fun!

[rich spear]

theresn also a frame that shows an aka or somthing with some sort of 2x scope

[unborn jasper]

Someone with image perms should try and get a screenshot so y'all know what I'm talking about. Its like two frames so good luck but it'd be helpful

[unborn jasper]

The S4 teaser patch notes mentions "alternate sights," so I'm assuming that they're gonna add some customizability

[rich spear]

That would be nice for the v9s or the lh1

or for any gun really

[unborn jasper]

ooooh yeah lh1 with anything other than its irons would be kinda crazy

[rich spear]

could you imagine like the m60 or the lewis with x1 or x2 sights

btw WERE IS THE METAL BALL IN THE SEASON 1 CASINO LEWIS GUN SKIN? IM FINA GO NUTS IF THEY DONT ADD IT

[daring urchin]

medium nade launcher good?

[unborn jasper]

its pretty inconsistent but quite good if you can land your shots close enough and account for bullet drop

[uneven star]

won't the fcar be useless with other guns getting scopes? they are going to buff recoil and/or damage...

[rich spear]

nah but its dammage gona out do if you hit ur shots

[uneven star]

? I just still think its gonna buffed in some way

[obsidian island]

What do people think light is getting in terms of weapon?

[rich spear]

like an smg or some sort of shotgun

[unborn jasper]

#📕┇lore people are saying that it's a shotgun

[obsidian island]

I heard people saying m60ss, but isn’t that an underbarrel attachment?

If it was both how would you ads, since secondary fire and ads are the same, doubt they would rework a whole system for 1 gun

[slim iris]

Already confirmed, look at the blog post

[rich spear]

nice

[topaz swallow]

M26 pump shotty for light

5 round box mag. IRL its used for breaching so it'd be cool if it punched holes in structures

[obsidian island]

Another shotty for light isn’t what we need 😭

[rich spear]

bru, the double baral thingy is already op

[obsidian island]

Tbf it depends what it shoots, according to Wikipedia it can shoot a large variety of different munitions

A solid medium range weapon would vr really nice but maybe not balanced

[lunar owl]

what are all the new weapons we think are being added

[rich spear]

bolt action shotgun for light

[obsidian island]

Dual deagle for heavy
Semi-Auto Rofle med

maybe it’ll shoot like flechettes

Tighter spread and higher piercing but less damage

[hardy dust]

Its aight

[scarlet escarp]

Light V Light It’s Pretty Great

Outside Of That Not So Much

It’s Not Bad By Any Metric, But It Ain’t The Model, That’s For Sure

[dreamy hill]

guys whats the best weapon for light?

[slate kayak]

pistol imo

[dreamy hill]

the one with silencer or the automatic one?

[slate kayak]

Silencer

that’s the one I always used when I played light

[dreamy hill]

i am using kunai but its not really working out

[slate kayak]

anytime I get cooked by lights it’s with the auto one tho so whatever works for you

[dreamy hill]

alright thanks

[restive plover]

Lever action rifle for medium

[near moss]

no its the keltec su-16

[near moss]

its this

[hardy dust]

Xp54 or lh1

[hallow current]

I like the bow alot

[gray willow]

bow spammers get nerfed 🙂

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/idi-naxui-gif-26345237

[bitter kindle]

Best loadout for medium?

[heady thistle]

demat/dual blades

[timid sandal]

Late to the party but we’re finally getting deagles hell yeah not one but two

[pine grail]

I was literally just saying how I wanted dual pistols cuz I use them in every other game

[silent pelican]

Heavy dual Deagles
Medium SU16CA
Light M26 Mass

[low bison]

is the medium new gonna gonna be semi auto?

[rocky cairn]

by the looks of it. maybe a 10-20 shot DMR w/ a sight. but the update also says "alternative sights" for weapons. so maybe no more iron sights all around

[pine grail]

I’m gonna be a heavy main for sure now

I don’t care how bad or good those pistols are

[marsh gale]

What if there was a medium specialty that let you emit a player detecting pulse 🙊

[bitter kindle]

That's so dumb

Only for heavy is just wild to me ,

[polar summit]

I finally got sword on max level. I love that weapon so much

[teal ginkgo]

@polar summit got any tips for sword?

[polar summit]

I'm not gonna lie, it just kinda comes naturally to me. always use evasive dash with it. travel through buildings when you can. use invis bomb when you cant. remember how many and what kind of hits kill each class. keep in mind that one lunge/swing can hit multiple people, so use your dashes to take advantage of that when possible.

my main loadout is evasive dash, sword, invis bomb, flex slot(usually portal), and breach charge.

light takes a lunge and a quick melee (which can be done in quick succession to absolutely delete them)

medium takes a lunge, a swing, and a quick melee (or just 2 lunges if the situation allows)

I always either run from heavies or give em 3 lunges. depends on the weapon they are using.

[teal ginkgo]

@polar summit is the phantom strike on heavies still viable you think?

[polar summit]

phantom strike?

[teal ginkgo]

It's a lunge then the light attack hits as you charge up next lunge

https://youtu.be/CaybPo55yss?si=sV5rQDSslYhwEQjS

[polar summit]

oh wow. I didn't even know that was a thing

I usually use my lunges in tandem with my dashes to either create distance or break line of sight when I'm fighting a heavy. I really try not to stay near them for too long

[teal ginkgo]

Especially sledge and spear heavy they just shred lights if you don't have timing down

[polar summit]

yeah I just create distance with those guys. just dash lunge straight through them a few times

[teal ginkgo]

How do you not have them stop your dash?

Just don't hit head on?

[polar summit]

something like that. usually they are also trying to move around so as long as you just do straight lines, they usually take care of that for you

[teal ginkgo]

Do you have any specific movement you use to mix with dash or when your out of dash to keep moving?

[polar summit]

nothing special really lol. Just jumps and slides if they have a ranged weapon and the portal also works as a "get outta jail free card"

or just try to pop invis and break line of sight

[teal ginkgo]

Is portal that good ive never really had good luck with it

[polar summit]

portal is pretty good. I used to run either Pyro nade or goo nade in that slot to help me break line of sight but I found portal is better because it helps get height quick, and if someone follows you through it, they then have to reorient themselves to the area you brought them to.

[teal ginkgo]

Thats a good though I'm still running the season 1 classic of vanish stun and frag

[polar summit]

part of why I run sword is my abysmal aim, so stun does almost nothing for me cause I can't hit it lol

[teal ginkgo]

I feel you my aim is ok but sword and dagger are just so fun

[polar summit]

they are. they require a whole different playstyle. try adding breach charge to your loadout somewhere. it's really nice to be able to open up hiding spots/unexpectedly drop objective stuffs

that or thermal bore. they both work about the same

[teal ginkgo]

Ok I will try that and getting better ttk

[polar summit]

🫡

[teal ginkgo]

Good luck soldier

[scarlet escarp]

I Run Dagger With Gate For Movement And Vanish For Escaping, Third Is Always Either Breach To Open A Path, Or Goo To Close Them/Prevent Open Engagements

[thin vault]

Do we know anything about the new weapons for season 4?
As far as I know there are Akimbo Deagles and a rapier?

[white void]

rapier is just a sword skin, light gun is apparently a bolt action mag fed shotgun

[hardy dust]

Rapier is probably a sword skin

[crisp lily]

They should add a slingshot

[timber igloo]

They should nerf modle 1887

also buff cloak at least make it last longer or be more effective

cuz if im getting beamed by a medeum at like 50 meters while invis

it dont sound very effective

[viral crest]

The more you move the less effective invis is. Just walk or crouch then you will be less visible

[vale obsidian]

just buff cloak man

[wooden rock]

That you can change your sight next season is now official. But does it only apply for weapons who have already sight, or for other weapons too?

For example using a sniper scope on shotguns and melees for scouting?

[vital forge]

The only way to deal with sword lights...🤭

[restive plover]

Besides just shooting them normally.

[bitter surge]

Are we getting any new gadgets in S4 ?

[vital forge]

Yeah that doesn't work

[hardy dust]

If you cant aim

Otherwise it works pretty good

[vital forge]

False, you cannot aim in front of you behind you in front of you behind you in front of you behind you, all this is happening below your kneecaps as a heavy.

[hardy dust]

If you're one controller sure, but on mnk you can turn your mouse around. You can also just shoot them before they even get to you

[pine grail]

What is lights gun

Do we have confirmation

[vital forge]

Lights have dash & are 2½ ft tall even on m&k. Besides for ⅔ of the playerbase m&k is banable.

[hardy dust]

Pretty sure its a shotgun

[pine grail]

I see I hope it’s viable

I’m gonna be a heavy no matter how good or bad my deagles are

[vital forge]

I hate this term. The word viable has lost all meaning

[pine grail]

Mainly cuz the finals suck at balancing

[vital forge]

That's your opinion they're doing pretty good so far in mine

[pine grail]

If there’s a way for me to make it work I will

[vital forge]

The 93r is viable

It's not the best weapon that light has but it is viable by definition

[restive plover]

Lmfao

[vital forge]

I win tons of games with 93r. That means it is capable of working successfully, you know......viable

[hardy dust]

Funny

[vital forge]

I win tons of games with 93r. That means it is capable of working successfully, you know......VIABLE

[hardy dust]

Now try it in a mode with ssbm

[vital forge]

Viable

[hardy dust]

If you mean viable to play, sure.
Viable to do well with is different

[vital forge]

I mean viable it has one definition

Viable-The capability to work successfully.

[pine grail]

Keyword successfully

[karmic oar]

Just had a thought, maybe in addition to optics being an option on guns, we can remove suppressors now too. The isuel-t SMG doesn't have one in the promo photo and you can see the lights pistol minus the can in the season 4 teaser image

[vital forge]

Winning is success

[zinc glen]

Is this where we can talk about possible future weapons?

[hardy dust]

You're not gonna win in any competent lobby

[vital forge]

Getting 1 kill is success

[vital forge]

Its Viable

[stoic egret]

fun fact: the data reshaper can reshape barricades o:

[warped anvil]

can any one help me with this Error Code TFGE0024?

[zinc kiln]

Yeah, I think I saw an akm with a crazy flash hider so muzzle customisation might be a thing

[iron zenith]

i know it sometimes feels like talking to a brick wall but i understand you

its a shit weapon tho

[spark igloo]

What

[vital forge]

It's just like talking to young children...which it usually is so you have to be careful not to get worked up.

Yes it is shit.

[iron zenith]

hes not saying the weapon is good he just saying the word viable has lost its meaning😭

[spark igloo]

Ig it depends on your definition of viable

[vital forge]

Not my definition.... the definition

[fluid gale]

What's better xp 30 or m11

[vital forge]

Depends on your play style

[fluid gale]

Lately I feel like the xp 30 is ass

[spark igloo]

There's a dictionary definition and a generally referred to definition

[iron zenith]

xp more versatile with easier recoil range and a scope to top it off

[spark igloo]

In the context of the finals and game balance the 93r really isn't viable

[iron zenith]

but that dps and hipfire on the m11 so satisfying

[spark igloo]

Against a proper team it's like a bee trying to sting a slab of concrete

[vital forge]

M11 great for barrel stuffing, Xp great for beaming

[fluid gale]

The mag size on the xp 30 in comp is tuff to deal with considering all the heavys

Unless you hit like every shot you have to reload constantly

[vital forge]

Good thing reload is super quick and heavy can't kill anything past 15 m

[fluid gale]

Yea

[vital forge]

Just depends on your play style for all weapons

[fluid gale]

Is sniper competitively viable at all. It's super dun to play with but I'm not sure if you can use it competitively

[vital forge]

Sniper is only really good situationally

[stoic egret]

Not really for 3-size squads. Too much other utility is lost using it.

[zinc kiln]

Yeah, you can get tons of kills but still wind up in 6th

[cunning kettle]

in terminal attack, probably

[cunning kettle]

finally someone with sense

93r is so viable in qc 🥰

[sand monolith]

Going off of the literal definition of viable says nothing about game balance

technically you could win a game without firing your primary at all if your enemies play poorly enough

viable in terms of game balance means being able to win consistently enough against who are playing at the same skill level. which the 93r will not do

[cunning kettle]

sniper is viable in 3v3v3s!!!!!

[sand monolith]

it is worse than every other light weapon on paper and in practice

[sand monolith]

hot take i think once heavy isnt hard meta and isnt seen everywhere that sniper might actually be seen on a few maps as a viable choice

with a coordinated team. not for solo queue

[cunning kettle]

honestly someone who is good with it at cqb could probably be a menace in cashout defense

[sand monolith]

the sniper in finals is probably the only good implementation of a sniper ive seen in an fps game. rather than focusing on 1 tapping people its about creating damage and pressure for your team to capitalize on. which is really cool

just very hard to make work compared to other strategies

[cunning kettle]

honestly i think sniper would do better if it had better close range damage but a projectile instead of hitscan so its not as effective at really long ranges

[sand monolith]

idk it always feels super cheesy to fight a sniper up close and have them hit a headshot

im fine with how it works now i just think the meta needs to shift and also it needs to get more gadgets that support the playstyle

[cunning kettle]

i just want sniper to be more viable in close ranges and encourage the player to play closer to their team and not sit on a crane halfway across the map

but really open cashouts are so fun with sniper

[sand monolith]

idk i think the game is most healthy when weapons have clear strengths and weaknesses and you are encouraged to craft a team comp that plays with a specific strategy in mind and adapt that strategy to the different situations the game puts you in

which is also why every weapon that's been meta so far has been meta because it doesnt do that

only exception would maybe be the SA1216 which rn is meta because the other heavy weapon are either really bad or people just dont want to use them (lewis gun) and previously was meta just because even though it forced close range, your mediums would be using fcar which could beam across the map and the SA was so unbelievably stupid up close that anything else was throwing

[cunning kettle]

the problem is that if team comp matters, soloq is fucked

[sand monolith]

in a perfect world this game would have enough players to not match solo q against full stacks but yeah

this also kind of fixes itself with a proper ranked mode. team comp doesn't really matter at lower ranks because bad players dont know how to execute strategies properly or play to the strengths of their team. but at higher ranks when it does matter, you'll be paired with other high rank players when you queue. which means more communication and team coordination

overwatch has the same thing and it works really well

[vital forge]

All hail!!! All knowing knowledge is here

[blazing dune]

Heavy needs a minigun. There, I said it.

[vital forge]

There's a couple more things they have to nerf first

[zenith cedar]

don’t worry bro you’re only the 549,386th to say it

[jade violet]

may the flame burn！
I enjoy flamethrower

[timber igloo]

they should make the lh1 irons sights more vissible by putting one of those green luminecent dots on the tip of the iron sight

[scarlet goblet]

Best meta for heavy? Anyone?

[arctic fog]

Does anybody know what the new weapons are for s4? One of them looks like an SMG for light and a marksman rifle for medium

[timber igloo]

there is duel pistols but idk what class thats 4

[wooden rock]

Im pretty sure they are for heavy

[timber igloo]

oh ok i just havnt watched may teasers cuz i wanna be supprised

[vale obsidian]

heavy got duel deagle
med got dmr
light got semi auto shot gun

(people been saying that)

[shadow onyx]

nah it takes skill to quickscope

[ornate schooner]

So it looks like for the dmr we’re getting an m4 carbine

[shadow onyx]

who thinks the default level skins need to be made better

especially the ones before you start getting camo. They look terrible

[frank snow]

make scar 30ammo and redue the recoil vert kick

[vale obsidian]

akm 2.0

[frank snow]

yesss

[vale obsidian]

fk no dude

i don't like when games have 100 version of the same gun but slightly different stat that make no different

[uncut citrus]

this guys gets it

maybe 27 round mag to compete with the famas

[vale obsidian]

imo just revert it back to open beta version and nerf the damage slightly
the fall off range too, revert back to ob

[brazen mango]

FCAR should be fully reverted to what it was in S1 but get its RPM nerfed so its TTK is worse

its old range, recoil and damage per mag were fine and made it unique, the issue was that it shot too fast to justify the stats it had

[vale obsidian]

fcar as a dmr just sound worng lol

[brazen mango]

it doesnt have to be a DMR

[vale obsidian]

hope dev read this channal 🙏 i want this in the game

[brazen mango]

it wouldve been fine at 450 RPM, which is still a bit faster than max RPM V9S

[lofty sky]

I feel the xp45 needs a range nerf

I play revolver and I do less dmg at range than an smg

[scarlet escarp]

Honestly I Don’t Care What Light Gets Nerfed, So Long As They Don’t Nerf Dagger Or Dash

As Long As Defib, Model, And Glitch Trap Get Gutted

(With Buffs To Their Other Weapons Of Course)

[lofty sky]

Why nerf glitch trap

[scarlet escarp]

Because I dislike being forced to suddenly drop my teammate’s statue or a vault, be unable to dash (special), nor being able to go/stay invisible, and that it instantly applies the moment you exist near it

If It Had A Time Before Applying Where You Could See The Tether Without Getting Glitched For Like A Second I Could At Least Not Get Screwed Because I Existed

[hardy dust]

It shuts down people's utility extremely easily and is extremely strong. Its also just a very boring gadget to fight.

[scarlet escarp]

As It Is It’s Basically A Permanent, Better Glitch Grenade That Makes Melee Light Even More Unviable Than It Already Is

And Medium Already Has So Many Non-Committal Options That I Don’t Think They All Need To Be So Strong

3 Different Types Of Mines, And Defib’s Lack Of Consequences Are Just Too Annoying

[arctic fog]

I'm glad that it got reworked but now it's such an awful gadget to play against, especially when they're spammed all over a room by a triple medium stack.

[scarlet escarp]

All You Run Into Are Glitch, Explosive Mine, And Defib

That’s All You NEED To Run Because They’re All So Non-Committal The Only Consequence To Using Them Is That You Don’t Have Them For 20 Seconds

At Least Gateway Has To Be Set Up And Can Be Used By Other Teams

[shell sonnet]

i dont mind xp tbh

if it does need a nerf, range aint it
thats its niche, thats where it should be better
it should be rof (if at all)

[scarlet escarp]

YOU CAN LITERALLY GET KILLS WHEN YOU’RE DEAD BECAUSE OF GLITCH+EXPLOSIVE

ACTUAL AGONY

Imagine A Light Chasing A Medium With Dagger Just To Get Insta-F##ked Because The Medium Mashed Mines As He Got Killed

[uncut citrus]

maybe if it effected the team who threw it as well

doesnt discriminated who it glitches

[scarlet escarp]

It’s Somewhat Rage From My Experience Right, But Still, It’s So Annoying To Deal With Medium’s Lack Of A Need To Commit

[uncut citrus]

yeah i hear ya

[shell sonnet]

Glitches?

We talking glitch trap now?

[uncut citrus]

but there needs to be variety in passive gadgets, j needs a rework

[uncut citrus]

sry responded to wrong comment

[scarlet escarp]

As Long As I Can’t Walk Into A Room To Be Insta’d Because I Got Instantly Glitched I Don’t Care What They Do

[shell sonnet]

I think glitch trap shouldnt linger

And alongside that either only have 1 trap or a smaller aoe

[uncut citrus]

yeah as soon as you leave the range of it, it stops

[obsidian island]

How do you think embark will balance akimbo deagles on a class with a million hp

[shell sonnet]

Small charge up would also be ok imo

If it didnt insta glitch the slight linger would be way less troubleing

[uncut citrus]

and if it affected the team who threw it, would balance the area shutdown imbalance

[scarlet escarp]

That’s What I Want For It The Most

[shell sonnet]

That would make it a downside to use

And opens up the doors for griefing

Not a fan

[scarlet escarp]

So It’s Still Useful For Defense But Isn’t A Brainless Win Against A Light

[obsidian island]

Small change, they make sonar show mines and turrets. A

[boreal laurel]

Poor range and no ADS hopefully (I envision RMB and LMB each firing one of the guns)

[obsidian island]

What’s the point of having them akimbo anyways?

[scarlet escarp]

Coolness

[boreal laurel]

‘Cause 1) everyone asked for it and 2) cuz heavy just be like that 😎

[uncut citrus]

fair, but every gadget is open to that, everything except glitch and frag

[obsidian island]

High damage low speed weapons suck to play against on a game with high ttk

[uncut citrus]

like all barrels on the ground can affect teammates, and their counterpart mines, except glitch

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, but with something like pyro or gas you actually have to try and hit your teammates

Or explosive mines, which need to be shot by enemies to be a downside

Its either straight up griefing as is, or some other rare occorance

Glitch traps would in this case always be a downside, being actually glitching your, or denying your yourself with your own area denial

It would happen way too often and without wrongdoing on your part

[obsidian island]

Glitch mines arnt that good just keep your eyes open

[uncut citrus]

yeah i see where youre right

i guess a good balance would be a gadget hacking tablet thing

[obsidian island]

?

[uncut citrus]

can hack enemy mine (maybe turrets) to be used agaisnt them

[shell sonnet]

Personally

I dont think theyre that strong
The only times its actually gamebreaking is if it dienies rpg or defib, which is just because those are busted and win fights on their own

Otherwise i only find the linger annoying
(Or when im playing dash dagger light, but go figure)

[uncut citrus]

A tablet like the turret or demat, but hacks mines at a slightly longer range

[obsidian island]

So a gun / frag

[uncut citrus]

j the linger change would be nice

[shell sonnet]

In what way would that be different to data redhaper?

Like it turns it to your side?

[uncut citrus]

nah cuz it can now be used agaisnt them, the enemy can run over them

[uncut citrus]

ye true, didnt think about it like that

[obsidian island]

I don’t like gadgets that rely on other gadgets to use because they become useless if no one picks the other gadgets

[uncut citrus]

ye true

[obsidian island]

I also don’t believe there should be hard counters, since those are never fun

[shell sonnet]

Same

[uncut citrus]

agreed

[boreal laurel]

As a melee main…

YES 🥲

[obsidian island]

I think having sonar show where they are could increase team plays by showing traps and giving light more battlefield knowledge is always good, especially when they make them go boom instantly

[shell sonnet]

Some people say "if you hate winch, fight outside"
Some say "if you hate snipers, stay indoors"

Now what?

[shell sonnet]

Im glad they changed aps

Too bad i didnt make use of it before they nerfed cl-40 🥲

[uncut citrus]

yeah honestly great idea

[obsidian island]

If you hate both don’t play the finals

[shell sonnet]

Id rather have that as recon rework

But that alone would not be enough

I dont want the wallshacks back though

Any ideas?

[obsidian island]

Wym recon network,

[shell sonnet]

Rework

[uncut citrus]

just a small team color dot shown through the wall, so we dont know what gadget/person it is pinging

[obsidian island]

I think recon isn’t op where it is

[shell sonnet]

Y'know how motion sensor makes little dots on nearby terrain?
Like walls, stairs, the ceiling etc.

Maybe that alongside the gadget reveal

[obsidian island]

And people reveal?

[shell sonnet]

Show openings, weaknesses in a defence
Maybe show ziplines too or something

[uncut citrus]

First ping of sonar can show exact location liek it does now, but follow up pings are weaker and reveal less

[obsidian island]

Showing health bars (it might now? Not sure) would be so so nice

[shell sonnet]

People complained it to removal, i dont think its gonna be back

[shell sonnet]

Semi-wall hack again

You see that someone is close

[obsidian island]

You are talking about recon senses not grenade, sorry didn’t realize

[shell sonnet]

Whoops
Yeah

Happens

I couldve made that a bit clearer tbh

[obsidian island]

I was thinking of adding gadget reveal to sonar nade

[shell sonnet]

You gotta explain that a bit, not sure if i understand

[obsidian island]

I keep typing the wrong words, sorry I edited

[uncut citrus]

he means revealing gadgets alongwith people whith sonar ping

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, thats what i wrote earlier

I think we shouls keep that functionality away from sonar and add it to a possible recon rework

[uncut citrus]

ye could go either way, recon needs something for sure tho its underpicked

[obsidian island]

It was unclear since I said gadget grenade instead of gadget reveal lol

[obsidian island]

It’s removed, no 💀

[uncut citrus]

i mean like the recon to be reintroduced but different

i wrote weird

[dusty arch]

this made me so happy

[covert parcel]

aps reshaper

[obsidian island]

Who takes either of those (not in power shift)

[covert parcel]

oh i meant WT ideals

[obsidian island]

Sorry, I don’t understand

[covert parcel]

bazinga

[obsidian island]

Wait wdym world tour ideals

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/young-sheldon-beat-da-koto-nai-sheldon-bazinga-ai-generated-gif-9724621854185187552

[lunar plaza]

understandbkle

[cunning kettle]

It takes skill, but it still is not viable at closer ranges

[obsidian island]

except its a sniper and that cant be a thing because i weapon that deals thaht much damage at that much range can work well at close range. like if a hammer player said that they wanted melee to be more effective at longer ganges

[cunning kettle]

I just don’t want that random light on my team to let the opponents steal a cashout because he was 100m away and they popped a dome shield

[obsidian island]

Snipers are inherently like that

[cunning kettle]

Also, the fact that it’s hitscan is honestly bullshit

No other classes have weapons that consistently reach anywhere close to the effective range of the sr-84

[obsidian island]

Well yeah

It’s a sniper rifle… that’s what they do?

[cunning kettle]

Yea but it’s so easy to hit shots with it once you get used to aiming with the center for your screen

[sand monolith]

No but enjoy a 4th medium rifle while there’s already not room for 3

[obsidian island]

this one is semi though which is signficantly different

[sand monolith]

And the last one was burst which also should have been different

[obsidian island]

and if its not a rifle its not really gonna be worth using

[shadow onyx]

I feel like the quickscoping in this game is inconsistent

[sand monolith]

I mean the model would still be good after being nerfed and the revolver is also good

Mediums only bad weapons are the melee and the cl-40

Fcar sucks comparatively but isn’t bad in a vacuum

[obsidian island]

they dont find much use in competitive play though, because AKM is so dominant, FCAR used to be, the new weapon needs to change up meta and unless its a rifle it wont, thats kinda the sad truth. 😦

[sand monolith]

Yeah cause generalist weapons will always inherently be the best weapons in the game unfortunately

Which is why they should all be nerfed

[obsidian island]

but a generalist weapon that encourrages at least tslightly different play would be nice to have, and a semi-auto could do that if it was more optimized on the longer-med range then close range

[sand monolith]

Yeah I don’t think the new weapon will be a generalist weapon which is nice

None of them seem to be, but we will have to see

[obsidian island]

deagle could def be very strong, a high prescision weapon like that on a tank is terrifying. most concering to me is another shotgun on light, when theres hardly room for 1

[sand monolith]

Could be strong but it depends on how they implement spread. I really hope it doesn’t have good range

[sonic star]

I mean a slug shotgun for light would be better then a no skill spray or shotgun

Light is a pain right now and not fun to play against with either the spam smg or shotgun

[obsidian island]

yeah, it could be slug, the thing people are saying is an modular shotgun which can be used by itself or as an underbarrel, and can take slugs, shot, and fletchlette shot rounds

[obsidian island]

i hope akimbo is interesting and not just revolver but two to make it look cooler

[austere ruin]

This NEEEDS to be an option for the dual pistols in S4

From reddit^

[boreal laurel]

Dessert Eagles 🤣

(Actually Boker Knives beat me to that one…)

[austere ruin]

It works as a poptart so much becuase a poptart packet has 2 inside hence dual pistols

[olive kernel]

if they add customizable sights to the akm there'll be even less people running fcar cause thats the 1 good thing it has over it

[obsidian island]

There will certainly be a slew of balance changes, as there are every season

[olive kernel]

maybe the attachments (I suppose they're only doing custom sights for now) will make the weapon fire slower? or do less damage? Something like that to compensate for it

I can see that being the compromise

maybe make it less accurate on hipfire

[spark igloo]

how I feel knowing they will be allowed to make balance changes this season because there arent two completely different ranked modes

[crisp heart]

Has anyone experienced a bug where if you get winched while charging up lunge with sword, you can't do anything for the rest of your game?

it just happened to me rn

Heavy needs another nerf guys

[ornate schooner]

Can you guys send some pics of engimo cosmetics

[eager wasp]

yeah been hearing about it for a while but never has happened to me

[jovial basin]

It’s absolutely crazy how unfun sniper makes this game.

[eager wasp]

true

[uncut citrus]

do the dual swords reflect 100% damage back, and is there headshot damage when reflecting

[hallow current]

Litterally sprinkles the ammo back onto the weapon

[hallow current]

No & no

[lunar plaza]

any new gadets?

[uncut citrus]

thx

[ornate juniper]

Rework it #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[obsidian island]

none of things help

and 120 - 130 does nothing

people dont like sniper because its a slsow paced high damage weapon in a fast paced game with high ttks

finals doesnt have a place for a sniper

like sure, nerf it to the ground, then what? noone uses it?

[ornate juniper]

You can't say for sure that mediums melee are bad or not while M doesn't have specialization for melee gameplay

From what i felt dual blades are pretty good in terms of dealing damage and Riot Shield should have melee damage reduction (30%) when raised just like DB do

[ornate juniper]

I don't consider suggested changes a nerf — it's a rework which wouldn't affect the overall gameplay but will make this gun more skill dependant and rewarding at the same time

This rework will also force to play with SR84 from closer distances at which it can be countered with ARs
At least imo this is more healthy that a weapon that can hitscan through the whole map

• devs have to give other classes more mid/long range weapons too

[ornate juniper]

There's already enough slow paced high damage weapons: Sledge, Bow, MGL32, SR-84 — do you want them all to be removed?

I believe good balancing will be enough and there's no need to remove guns

[obsidian island]

increase time between shots and increase reload time and add ballistics are all nerfs, the only buff is 10 more damage which doesnt actually matter since the ttks are all the same and sr usually dont deal with large chip damages

[ornate juniper]

Im not talking about huge increase in time between shots and reloading time, was thinking of 0.1-0.5 of second, something like that

I believe SR-84 shouldn't shoot fast because it's obviously going to get abused with people who will mostly play it close range no-scope style

With increased damage it will have an option to kill M with 2-3 shots and H with 3 shots which is already better than now and enough

A really skilled sniper is already a nightmare, the problem is that this weapon isn't that easy to use at close range but that's the way a sniper rifle should be balanced

[jovial basin]

Sniper takes the fun out of every single match I play. Maybe if it wasn’t hitscan but as it is you really can just sit and click heads.

A sniper is good at one thing. Range. Snipers should pretty much be dead if you catch them up close because that is the risk vs reward of the weapon.

Light is the most annoying class to possibly have a sniper. Imagine if sniper from tf2 had the speed of a scout and spy cloak. It’s insufferable.

It’s not even about wether it’s op or not. Simply just that it completely sucks the fun out of every match by forcing you to stay behind cover or go deal with the sniper.

If im on one side of the map fighting someone I should absolutely not have to worry about a hitscan weapon that can kill me in 2 hits from the actual opposite side of the map.

It’s so demoralizing.

[unborn stirrup]

Not enough people compare this game to tf2. There is basically a formula to follow and while deviations from it are mostly good and make this game unique, essentially combining scout and spy was not the play.

[jovial basin]

I know right. I feel like there are a lot of overlaps between these games.

Tf2 is a good benchmark anyway because it is a masterclass in weapon balance (aside from sniper who I think makes the game unfun too)

[uncut citrus]

G

[vale obsidian]

masterclass in weapon balance (when they are) lol

[jovial basin]

Well obviously its my opinion but it's a very agreed upon one.

[sweet trench]

Light double barrel shotgun skin idea. A tv remote. The batteries are the shells and the on button is the trigger? Pls do this embark

[lilac terrace]

peak

[vale obsidian]

idea is goated

[sweet trench]

You know how some people can throw toothpicks like weapons. Maybe throwing knife skin? Blunderbuss skin for the medium shotgun? Skin for the dagger which is a sharpened respawn anchor? Sorry for question marks

[vale obsidian]

why are you sorry for question mark lol, no one gonna judge that
https://tenor.com/view/pet-a-cat-stroking-a-cat-gif-26152631

idea is cool tho

[shadow onyx]

Yo the listened, yall got the dual desert eagles

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-and-josh-old-news-heard-that-already-said-obviously-gif-15405715

its so hype everyone know it by now

[shadow onyx]

bruh I was at school football game all night yesterday I didn't have time to check 😭

[shadow onyx]

They put a wolverine csr sighmark on the AKM??????????

does that mean they're adding modularity or something

[vale obsidian]

it still not confirm, but we def going to get a sight (might be p2w skin)

[boreal laurel]

They did promise “alternative sights” in the S4 official announcement

https://www.reachthefinals.com/patchnotes/s4teaser

[lucid gust]

Nah, it's not P2W. Just something you can put onto your AKM it looks like. I do think they're going to add skins that include the sights, as in, change them as well but time will tell

[hallow current]

I can't wait

[wraith willow]

does anyone run v9s on light? is it still good?

[vale obsidian]

i don't, but most people that use it say its good

cookie clicker ahh gun tiered my finger fast

[brittle wagon]

Hey what's max range for gateway?

[vale obsidian]

somewhere 60-70meter if i remember right

[brittle wagon]

Ah okay cool I forgot what it was after it was nerfed thanks

[vale obsidian]

there's wiki ya know, say you want to know the dps of some gun you can just look there

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Builds

[brittle wagon]

I honestly did not even know there's a wiki...ty ty

[austere ruin]

Or eats it and unwraps more gun cookies

[boreal laurel]

I don’t love it because you have to spam LMB, but lowkey it’s better than both of the SMGs because of STUPID quick TTK

[restive plover]

Just bind shoot to scroll wheel.

[wicked sluice]

Theres a really good vid on yt that talks about how to balance snipers in videogames

Which they could use the ideas from.

But your right it doesnt really work with the speed of the game

[shadow onyx]

they could keep hitscan, but make the rechambering speed slower or something. Or they could do like cod and keep hitscan, but only until a certain point and then it has falloff

[wicked sluice]

Some games make ADSing slow to prevent quick scoping

[shadow onyx]

I don't think quickscoping is the issue. I think the main problem is that the sniper is hitscan, and is uncounterable when some guy just sits from far away and shoots people without any danger.

[wicked sluice]

Makes sense

[shell sonnet]

Id just rework it to be mid range with some other kind of benefit

Long range just doesnt fit in

[covert parcel]

snipers range over every other weapons range is the main issue

Falloff range
Falloff dmg%
Projectile speed
Gravity

its sniper vs sniper or respect his LoS

[vale obsidian]

turn sniper to a quick scope focus weapon 👀

[shadow onyx]

yes

[wicked sluice]

I havent played in a while and i cant remember if there is a scope glare

[shell sonnet]

There is

[shadow onyx]

the issue is you can't really do anything about it unless you have another sniper

[vale obsidian]

ez, just have aimbot 😎

[shadow onyx]

as someone who uses the sniper exclusively for this, that's a great idea 👆

[shell sonnet]

Dont want to fill my loadout with items just in case a sniper stolls by

And even then most dont help a lot

I dont like it

Same with adding a sniper to all classes

Handycap yourself just to have a fighting chance against light snipers

Would probably be a balance nightmare too

[vale obsidian]

when scope in damage start at x then drain as you keep scoping in

[wicked sluice]

It would prob be best to remove it alltogether

[vale obsidian]

we all know they can't do that

[shell sonnet]

While do like the idea

That does seem rather complicated

[shadow onyx]

imo they should just have it cod style. It's hitscan until a certain distance, and then it has falloff. It would basically be very hard and skillful to hit moving targets at range and in order to use it you would have to get into the range of other weapons

[vale obsidian]

as simple as it can get over a round about way such as damage fall of that only make sniper good close range

[wicked sluice]

You could have a little bar to represent it

[shell sonnet]

Most weapons are pretty simple

Hammer go bonk, destroy wall
Gun has sight, look far

Only odd ones are maybe dual blades and mgl (which is why most people say it sucks)

[jade violet]

guys do u think stun gun is op

[wicked sluice]

A bit yeah

[vale obsidian]

not really?
just unfun to fight

[shell sonnet]

Against melee, yes

In normal fights?
Eh, could be better, but unless its light vs light (or on sh1900) its not too bad

Other usage is good

[jade violet]

but glitch trp is more op than stun

[wicked sluice]

You cant turn around to face them. And then they just melt you with a smg

[shell sonnet]

Only because of rpg and defib

Otherwise its only really an issue for melee lights

[jade violet]

could I say im more perfer the emp grenade

[vale obsidian]

you either have low sens or last time you play is season 1...

[wicked sluice]

Idk thats how it feels to me

[shell sonnet]

That thing can be dodged
Thats why its less of an issue

I wish glitch trap didnt linger

[wicked sluice]

Maybe you can and i just never try it

[jade violet]

and compare with stealth grenade,I perfer thermal vision

[vale obsidian]

maybe you panik and tense up your arm so it "feel" like the stun slow you

[jade violet]

i like stealth boy thats more better

[wicked sluice]

Maybe

[vale obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1251878905216893030/yes.gif

[jade violet]

Oscar?

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-spy-tf2-correct-spy-tf2-correct-gif-15580627066749528135

[jade violet]

@vale obsidian will they nerf AKM u think

[vale obsidian]

no one ever say a thing about akm op so no most likely

[jade violet]

maybe nerf famas is a good idea

someone say this weapon is op

[vale obsidian]

people rarely say nerf famas too 🤷‍♂️ so i think they won't

[jade violet]

why

[jade violet]

what about xp54?will they?

[wicked sluice]

They cant cause everything is based around it

[vale obsidian]

embark ✌️ "usually"✌️ do changes base on what people say in #👂┇game-feedback

[jade violet]

M11 will lost surpressor?

[vale obsidian]

just skin stuff im guessing

[shadow onyx]

K63 helmet and Smersh looks dope

[shell sonnet]

Wait a minute
Is that from the teaser?

[wicked sluice]

Is that proper night vision?

[shell sonnet]

I hope so

[wicked sluice]

Looks like seoul in the background

[jade violet]

https://youtu.be/FLmnl-m-BlA?t=165

[vale obsidian]

or maybe night vision as an event? ho

[wicked sluice]

That would be cool

[fathom relic]

post oscar with the dolphin charm code

[jade violet]

this video from 1 years before

but they looks want back to S1

[obsidian island]

Yea I’ve watched it, very good video, and great follow up for the balancing on shottys (which this game does great)

[jade violet]

@vale obsidian do u think AKM will got a optic because of oscar

looks he really enjoy his AKM

[vale obsidian]

ay i don't know everything man xD

but my best guess is there's alot of people asking for more option

i to ask for something simlilar

[cedar bay]

I just have one question

Why do some mediums not run defib?

[vale obsidian]

bc they are too far form team for it to be useful :)
(just their playstyle)

[cedar bay]

(I also sub-main medium)

[cedar bay]

It's arguably one of the best gadgets in the game

[vale obsidian]

but complately useless when you play alone on the flank :)

people play game to have fun, not win

it also maybe bc they haven't unlock it yet

[jade violet]

they might thought defib is trash

[uncut citrus]

Medium who don’t use defib are j the tdm Tommy’s

Ain’t no way they’re that clueless (they really are, they really are that clueless)

[cedar bay]

But the finals is a team game

You don't play alone

[vale obsidian]

to quo the goat "ze healing is not as rewording as zee hurting"

[jade violet]

btw,how to nerf sword?

[cedar bay]

The defib does damage

[uncut citrus]

You should prob solo queue lmao

[vale obsidian]

you coping for not having defib teammate? lol

[cedar bay]

It's just annoying

[jade violet]

people is crying for long sword

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/sword-bonk-kids-fighting-gif-23618917

[uncut citrus]

I am always the defib 😎

[cedar bay]

I'm not that kind of light thank god

[jade violet]

me 2,and rebuild

[cedar bay]

Same

(I play medium as my 2nd main)

[uncut citrus]

Defib, pad, heal beam, always team overall support

[jade violet]

i wont waste my time on enemy's turret or traps

[vale obsidian]

i don't use defib tho >:)

[jade violet]

@vale obsidian

[vale obsidian]

ay im here no need to call me lol

[jade violet]

@vale obsidian

[vale obsidian]

@cedar bay
i see light, medium, and heavy as
light, fat light, and obese light

[cedar bay]

Hardstuck silver

[vale obsidian]

rank don't mean anything in this game anyways :))))))))))))))

[cedar bay]

sigh

[shadow onyx]

They are either so goated that they can carry without their team, or they are introverted and hate teamates

[vale obsidian]

like game are ment to be fun, your fun is winning but my fun is killing

[cedar bay]

Then they'll be the same ones complaining if a light runs off

[shadow onyx]

fr

[jade violet]

why this shit more expensive than last year

[cedar bay]

Wrong weapon

[vale obsidian]

i can say all the same to anyone tbh

[jade violet]

FCAR

[vale obsidian]

buy it, wait a year, sell it

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418

[jade violet]

this one might will more better

where to check how much is oscar's AKM in real life

less than $1000?

[vale obsidian]

those are real gun right?

[jade violet]

yes

FCAR is my favorite

[vale obsidian]

why are you looking at the store page of a real ass gun???

[jade violet]

to check the price,high price=this gun is good

see,FCAR is 4500 dollars in real

[vale obsidian]

no, my question is wtf are you going to do with a reall ass gun that fire live round?

[jade violet]

nope

[vale obsidian]

thx god

[jade violet]

Do u think I would bring a real FCAR to attack the Embark?then shout out:Buff FCAR！

but,acturally they remade FCAR

less 3 damage for more 5 rounds

not nerfed

@vale obsidian

[vale obsidian]

bro im here no need to ping lol

wait i need to sleep
shit imma go now

[jade violet]

as u see,7.62×51mm NATO,full powered ammo

22 damage might be too low

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-gif-6018252

[jade violet]

and famas is 5.56mm,why it have more damage than FCAR 7.62mm

and less recoil than FCAR

Famas should be 1000rpm,19damage and 25rounds in the game

[hallow current]

Need

[shadow onyx]

I used to not judge those people so hard but it's actually just annoying

[uncut citrus]

G

[arctic fog]

Bro I wish twin deagles was on medium or light

Imagine flying around everywhere with two in hand that'd be sick

[vale obsidian]

NUH UH
Better luck next time bozo xDDD

[obsidian island]

imo defib w/ out healing isnt great

[sand monolith]

This is just an smg

[vale obsidian]

do you have clip of full auto famas?
i only have tk

[sand monolith]

I do not unfortunately

[torn sail]

my wife!! whowhowewow king of the castle!

[valid goblet]

nerf sword dude wtf

[hardy dust]

Sword has a lot of counterplay

[arctic fog]

Omg this had better be patched jesus

[hardy dust]

Its from a while ago

[vale obsidian]

2-3month it feel like

[arctic fog]

It looks insane

[vale obsidian]

it is

[hardy dust]

Famas was even scarier

[vale obsidian]

famas can kill heavy before you blink

[hardy dust]

Lemme try to find some footage

[arctic fog]

Was it like an emote canceling thing?

[vale obsidian]

learn how to play vs a melee lock character

[vale obsidian]

more of a voice line canceling tbh

[hardy dust]

Emote worked too iirc

[arctic fog]

Wow

Thank god that got fixed

[hardy dust]

It lasted like 2 days or smth

[vale obsidian]

i remember it being a week

or maybe its 2 very very long day

[hardy dust]

I thought they hotfixed it

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/wheniwasolder-gif-23243653

[uncut citrus]

OOO OOO OOO How about the light has a single round break action healing pistol, to heal team mates from distance maybe 70 per shot, slow reload, 2 charges max, sloooow recharge of ammo, (maybe can be used on self, but would need drastic health regen decrease for light)

[reef vector]

add like pepper spray for medium

make it blur the vision alot

[uncut citrus]

lets just give them a baton, badge and glock while we're at it hahaha

would be funny

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-11864636400230753109

[reef vector]

Gud idea

Or make the riot shield have a pistol instead of a baton

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[ornate schooner]

What do we think the medium dmr is gonna be, cus it looks like an m4 carbine or a dragunuv to me

[reef vector]

Ye

It’ll be like a semi auto fcar

Who’s getting the dualies medium light or hevy

[ornate schooner]

Heavy

Deagles on heavy

[hallow current]

I wish they would take off flashbang friendly fire

[sweet trench]

New specialisation ideas.
Light stim shot. 2 charges. 10 seconds of 25 temp health, speed increase 20 percent. One extra jump. Can’t be stacked.
Medium. Magnet 2 charges. Throwable. Throw a little tower that attracts all projectiles (grenades, arrows throwing knifes. Not bullets) into that area. Can be attached to enemy players. The tower lasts indefinitely on the ground and 10 seconds on a player.
Heavy. Already has four so none needed

[flat fern]

For the stim shot should have 2/10 seconds activation time

[hallow current]

I definitely think the new weapons will drop powerful this season at first. I think it's better to introduce OP new weapons.

Since it's hard to perfectly balance new weapons Id prefer them to lean towards OP and not underpowered. Then they take time listening to the community and make proper adjustments to the new weapons. EZ.

If balancing is going to be apart of the game forever I'd rather have the release of new weapons not feel like getting socks for Christmas.

[jagged flume]

Thoughts on giving Light a healer/support specialization and gadgets?

[sweet trench]

I think something similar to the vanish bomb might work? Like 50 splash health?

[jagged flume]

If Lights have to give up one of their very strong combat tools to use something supportive instead, that could be a massive win for everyone. The class is currently annoying in Powershift and TA, but more or less a throw pick in Cashout.

[sweet trench]

They should do a limited time event where you can make a build with any weapons specialisation and gadgets.

Just imagine a heavy with an xp45 and a turret

[iron zenith]

that would be so bad lmao

[prime forge]

Dual' wielding in S4.

[stone dawn]

Gateway is good for that

[sweet trench]

Light with the grapple claw and double barrel

[hallow current]

Imagine... Heavies get brass knuckles primary weapon?👀

Code Name: "Beaters"

-Speed boost passive
-Comparable fire rate to spear. slightly faster?
-2 Piece a light
-3 Piece a medium
-4 Piece + buiscut combo for heavies
-Lunging punch secondary (big burst damage after smol wind up)
-heavy environmental damage

Imaginary kit:
Heavy Health Pool + Speed Boost + Lunging Punch = 1 shot a light

• Mesh shield specialization
• Dome shield gadget
• Other gadgets
  +++ General Additional speed for having brass knuckles equipped

Personally I would main Brass Knuckles as a heavy if they were included as a primary weapon. It's just so funny to me

[sweet trench]

Maybe instead it could be an uppercut? Give heavy some upwards movement?

[azure harness]

Sonar grenades are bugged

[gleaming glen]

no

[valid goblet]

nerf the sword dude too broken

[eager wasp]

not true

[magic prairie]

I somehow got hit by the sword for 280 in a single hit?

I got oneshot as a medium

[restive plover]

You got hit twice, it's 140 for each lunge.

[magic prairie]

It was a single lunge tho

[restive plover]

Damage from the same source adds up in the death counter.

Obviously it wasn't.

[eager wasp]

the damage info sometimes bugs and says things that aren't true, happens all the time

the sword only does 140 damage at max

[magic prairie]

Well i was full health and he did a single lunge and killed me somehow

[reef vector]

How much damage do u reckon the dmr will have

Will it be semi auto?

[ornate schooner]

Probably

[stiff vine]

could have hit you twice in 1 lunge?

[valid goblet]

So what

sword takes skill

[keen canyon]

There’s a thing called phantom striking that essentially lets you attack twice in one swing, not sure if it’s still in the game tho

[valid goblet]

it is

everyone is easy to kill with sword

[hallow current]

🤔🤔🤔
tracking dart + DB shotty + dash/cloak + gateway + flashbang

[coral root]

MP-5 headshot damage nerf when

[floral ledge]

I run that except smokes than a flashbang

but sadly tracking dart is just very useless overall so I just switch it for c4

[vale obsidian]

and why use c4 when thermal bore is just a stirght upgrade :)

[brazen mango]

its not, Breach Charge lets you make pseudo C4 drops if you dont have a heavy on C4

[torn mantle]

what counts as a "markman rifle or handgun"

[brazen mango]

LH1, Sniper, V9S, 93R, Revolver

[stark marsh]

bow too

[vale obsidian]

why can't i melee mesh while shielding?

[blazing dune]

Because embark hates us

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen hawk]

yessss i require but pls there must be exceptions.
no heavies with tk or lights with sledge

[ashen hawk]

lmao

[hallow current]

Tracking Dart rework suggestion:

-Tracking dart now works as a sticky sonar.
+Reveals the darted player as well as any team mates too close to them
-One dart per magazine
-Medium cooldown time

[shadow onyx]

lowkey they should just make the famas full auto because the model they have in game I'm pretty sure is full auto irl

[shadow onyx]

real

[shell sonnet]

i think cl-40 should deal slightly less direct-hit damage than current model 1887 (so it just about doesn't 2 shot mediums with directs)
(something like 110, so it takes 2 directs and a splash for medium and 3 directs + splash for a heavy)

and model 1887 should deal current cl-40 damage with less fall off (so more range)

maybe make cl-40 reload slower (and maybe increase self damage again) and model reload slightly faster if needed

thoughts?

[sand monolith]

Hopefully never

That’s not the change the gun needs at all

[ashen hawk]

the change needed is recoil nerf, relaod speed nerf, if not damage nerf. the thing is it has extremely fast fire rates, almost zero recoil, sriously fast reload speeds, huge accuracy and hellish range. not to mention a good amount of damage overall
needs in a nerf in atl one of these.
(and hopefully u didnt mean a buff when u said "thats not the CHANGE...")

EMBARK pls a TRAIN HIJACK GAMEMODE, I NEED IT SO BADLY

[white nymph]

W

[sand monolith]

Recoil nerfs are absolutely never necessary in this game. They make the gun feel worse to use while also keeping the weapon OP. The xp-54 needs a small fire rate nerf and then a very small fall off percentage buff

It should be the lower dps / longer range version of the m11. Right now it’s just the m11 with much better range and nearly identical DPS

[jade violet]

guys do u think they will buff AKM in S4

give AKM a optic seems like a buff

although AKM Iron sight is ok,but im more perfer optic

and optic is more ez to help new players to learn this game

[restive plover]

Alternative sights are coming to all weapons, not just the akm.

[jade violet]

really?

customize weapon?

[restive plover]

Yes.

[jade violet]

cool,what about FCAR,will they buff this 22damage to 23?

[restive plover]

They'll probably do something, no telling what. Just have to wait and see.

[jade violet]

i think 22damage is abit low for FCAR,23 is better

and when they nerf the fkin throwing knife

[tawny patrol]

you wanna nerf the cl-40 even more?? i dont see anyone using it already

[jade violet]

I really wonder my mp5 could change optic to holo

like FCAR,Holo is my favorite even in real life

[tawny patrol]

do you guys think they'll add the old model for XP and Fcar back? like the iron sights one from the betas, i know it wouldnt help anything but i think i would be interesting just to have as an option

[jade violet]

i like optic

i hope they nerf AKM mag

from 35 to 30

[turbid kestrel]

I thought it was 36?

[jade violet]

35+1

[turbid kestrel]

Yah but I do agree AKM needs a debuff

It's a lot better than most of the other medium guns currently

[wraith willow]

anyone run fcar still over akm?

or is ak just the meta

[turbid kestrel]

I was for I while but I tried AKM again and it just felt a lot better

[turbid kestrel]

But the Fcar does have a lot better range and accuracy

[jade violet]

me

AKM i think is a skillless player for noobs

like sword

[shadow onyx]

Isn't the MP5 sight pointing backwards???

[jade violet]

they really need nerf AKM

[shadow onyx]

if it gets optics maybe

[jade violet]

every weapon will get optics

[jade violet]

@shadow onyx check what he said buddy

[shadow onyx]

I know buddy

[jade violet]

thats right buddy🤣

[shadow onyx]

I watched the trailer it has a backwards pointing Sightmark CSR Wolverine

[wraith willow]

eh i dont remember that so

[jade violet]

not sure if R357 will get optics,R357 ironsight is too hard to use

[fast cedar]

Ok Songhai your typing with one hand hop off lil bro

[shadow onyx]

lmao 😂 real

[shadow onyx]

Also, the AKM actually has the iron sights from the RPK 😂 they need to fix that

[fast cedar]

Buddy get a load of ya self before you start yapping

[jade violet]

do u like Holo

u should know what I mean

[shadow onyx]

you mean the eotech what??? 😂

[jade violet]

yup,EO Tech

[fast cedar]

Eotech so sigma Thomas Shelby revolver need scope

[zealous nymph]

Im kinda feeling like 1887 needs a nerf

[fast cedar]

Add the PSO 1 for the ak

[jade violet]

Optic for FCAR

[jade violet]

why not kobra

[fast cedar]

PGO 7 rpg scope for ak

[shadow onyx]

1P78 Kashtan is the goat

the Trashcan optic

[jade violet]

why