💣┇weapons-gadgets

[cunning kettle]

but its going to suck for combat

[vale obsidian]

if its like the jetpack form pyro tf2 then i'll be good for hit and run

but iif its like that charater form apex then yeah i agree

[cunning kettle]

jump pad but less setup for horizontal movement

[vale obsidian]

either way i still want it

[cunning kettle]

jetpack would be cool but jump pad already exists or its not gonna be good in combat

[vale obsidian]

me love schoovement

[cunning kettle]

and even then zipline exists

[timber idol]

i never said it didnt have any

i said it doesnt have many

[cunning kettle]

it has the most movement gadgets out of all the classes

if you count specs, its has the second most

[near scroll]

luv me movement options, simple as

[bright atlas]

facts on em zezz

[lament mountain]

there should be an Acid canister that melts through terrain, while doing (shockingly) little damage to players

[bright atlas]

lol

[keen coyote]

Is dual swords better or worse than shield & baton

[half cloud]

How y'all feel about adding a hunting rifle for mediums?

[eager wasp]

better

[boreal laurel]

I would say better

[rough carbon]

How about a Sword in a Stone sledgehammer skin

(the stone is attached still)

[merry sonnet]

Meow

[fleet brook]

Take your Adderall and go back to light

[spare arch]

They should make the 1887 one shot lights it would be funny

[hidden kindle]

how has the model 1887 not gotten a buff yet???]

[cunning kettle]

give it sa1216 ammo and firerate

no semireload tho
16 shots of pure hatred going downrange

[timid sandal]

Seconded

[eager wasp]

people are actually complaining that its too good, saying it needs to be nerfed so

[hidden kindle]

it does like 0 damage

[cunning kettle]

cuz u cant hit meatshots with it

[hidden kindle]

i love you

[cunning kettle]

3 tapping a heavy at a bit over 10m

a spread increase would make it easier to get damage if you dont have cracked aim and will also solve the problem of model having so much range

[spare arch]

Actually the spread is different in the practice range compared to a real game

[hidden kindle]

^

[cunning kettle]

its a fixed pattern all the time

4 in a diamond shape and 4 on the corners

[hidden kindle]

no the aim cone is better in practice range

[cunning kettle]

gimme source

i have never seen anyone say that

[hidden kindle]

some streamer did a whole thing on it i cant remember his name

[hidden kindle]

you dont even have the dough wrangler what do you know

[cunning kettle]

i dont main this gun

no need to buy a 800mb skin for a gun i rarely use

[hidden kindle]

DOUGH WRANGLER

[spare arch]

You can’t be taken seriously without the dough wrangler

[hidden kindle]

it literally makes you hit more shots its been proved

[faint meteor]

Laser sighted breaching hammer

Needs to be a skin

[low bobcat]

i love wrangling my dough

[chilly reef]

You guys talking about this?

[vale obsidian]

yesn't and a half

[chilly reef]

Ok…

[vale obsidian]

why you friend request me?

[crisp heart]

All the melee weapons and non-reload weapons needs to do something when you press "R" (reload) key. Feels like a potentially fresh new mechanic that can deepen the learning curve of these weapons

A stance change perhaps?

[vale obsidian]

i don't support it but why not?

you taking a long time to write this

[crisp heart]

A some of the melee weapons aren't really that viable.

[crisp heart]

Slowmode, gotta make sure I'm putting in the right stuff

And heavy to an extent

A stance change can make it so that the spear could be thrown.

The potential for unique plays are "Boundless"

[waxen fiber]

buff ks-23 and c4

[icy sparrow]

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad that’s sticks to enemies or walls. It’s low damage but it long term so it it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal

We need toxic flamable purple gas thrower(less damage)ability where gas stays for less long as normal on map for medium class but it also acts as gasoline and can be set on fire and burns on surfaces for longer

Chainsaw for heavy that does a downward swing like hammer also u can hold and chase to do continuous damage.

Add optics for bow and buff arrow velocity

Knife backstab is worse despite getting FIXED 😂

Bro heavy spear is weird and rarely used,add a charged poke or jump and poke and remove the spinning bs.

Add a knife varient where u a downward thrust and do more damage the higher u fall cause devs can’t fix it or revert to beta.

[rough carbon]

Should be like a tf2 flare gun, minus the crit mechanic

[icy sparrow]

It’s low damage but it long term so it it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal

[rough carbon]

I just want more tools to harass snipers from afar as a sword

[icy sparrow]

Lol it’s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick

[rough carbon]

Also good luck scoping on fire

[icy sparrow]

Sounds fun but embark devs puts the dumbest stuff on the game and it’s not even fun

[icy sparrow]

U know how goofy spear heavy looks lol?
The arrow is slow for bow
The messes up ks shotgun
The knife is worse now

[rough carbon]

Spear heavy is every swordies bane

[icy sparrow]

Quite niche,light use other guns too.
Flamethrower is way more effective

[rough carbon]

True

[icy sparrow]

lol goofy heavies spinning around and u just keep distance and shoot or tase

A simple stab and swing of spear would be enough but noooo the devs wanted the heavies to spin

[vernal crag]

probably been mentioned before but grapple should be usable more often, either a cooldown reduction by maybe 10-15% or a second charge, the latter of which could maybe even come with a small cooldown increase

[boreal laurel]

The one place where it’s actually good is on the platform in Power Shift

[obsidian nexus]

i dont mind winch that much, my main problem is that its unreactable. if u get winched to a bad spot its just a free kill for the enemy team and its unreactable. i dont mind stuff being strong. but not having the time to react at least is just stupid

[crimson wedge]

I still want a scalpel and boxcutter dagger skin, even if they aren't included in any bundles.

[radiant vapor]

as a medium with jump-pad you can escape instantly after being winched. As a heavy you coan react with a defensive gadget. Lights idk (i dont play light enough to know counterplay to specific features)
i rarely die to winch and dont tink it is unbalanced or unffun to play against...

...unlike stungun witch is 3,75 seconds stun every 15 seconds with a hitscan fire and basicly provides a garantied kil every time.

[icy sparrow]

New weapon:tactical axe/machete (light)

Add a secondary attack fast downward lunge attack for axe(or machete) while falling and since u go fast downward.gravity isn’t floaty that does more damage the higher u fall,good for grapple hook.

A purple toxic gas/fuel thrower for medium that does low damage but sets surface on fire

[winter phoenix]

Cl40 needs a buff, gotta shoot all 4 to kill med and can’t even kill heavy

[marsh python]

please ad a deagle skin for revolver

[cunning kettle]

If you somehow swing when the bullet hits you the bullet gets perfectly ricocheted into the snipers head

Totally balanced frfr

[obsidian nexus]

throwing knifes need rework. in world tour its not too bad but in casual its the worst. just hold m1 and aim in the general direction. u can do it infinitely

[solid hedge]

lemme throw the javelin

[vestal void]

make a nuke for april 1st

make ALL the frags nukes for a day

[obsidian nexus]

0____0

[vestal void]

it will be funny af

admit it

[obsidian nexus]

110 per direct hit, so thats 2 for medium and 4 for heavy. yesyes :)

[silk cargo]

just make it reload all 4 at once

[crisp heart]

and everyone would just use the Grenade launcher for a day

[obsidian nexus]

i mean, reload is pretty quick if u only shoot 3

[silk cargo]

its a 4 second reload for all the shots, thats really high

[vestal void]

🐢

[crisp heart]

nah man, CL40 does a lot already, why give it more killing power?

[upper sinew]

its too late for wappon atachmens and customisation in a non skin, only stat changing way (whold be funn to change the amo tipe or the function of the wappon)

[silk cargo]

not killing power, just reload

[crisp heart]

then just use the Heavy grenade launcher

[silk cargo]

not exploding on impact is a deal breaker

[vestal void]

amke a neather portal

[vestal void]

make*

lets mine some diamonds

myaru you are typing for like 5 minutes, stop typing and repeat

[crisp heart]

as it should. touch the reload speed and/or grenade count and we will have a full medium team just spamming grenades at the cash out,platform,deposit box,etc

[silk cargo]

i see no problem with that, the ttk itself is still pretty low

[vestal void]

me too. its just a litle wierd

[silk cargo]

if you really need to get a cashout or something, mesh shield/barricade/aps turret exists

[shell sonnet]

110×2 is 220
Medium has 250 hp

[obsidian nexus]

Oh oops, i fatfingered the wrong button, 3

[crisp heart]

yeah, no. cl40 is good as it is

[shell sonnet]

Happens

Though i do have to throw my hat in the ring

Cl-40 is currently utter garbage

[crisp heart]

as it should be

[obsidian nexus]

its one of my best guns. if u hit direct hits its kinda good. and its really oppresive against lights. so if they buff it it will just be another annoyance. i think its fine as is; as a niche for people that want a challange and like to go for direct hits

[shell sonnet]

It shouldn't be

I do want to ask, what exactly did you dislike about it?

[crisp heart]

its one of my best guns. if u hit direct hits its kinda good. and its really oppresive against lights. so if they buff it it will just be another annoyance. i think its fine as is; as a niche for people that want a challange and like to go for direct hits

[glass torrent]

The game is over and luckily they didn't ban me

[silk cargo]

according to the wiki its 93

[obsidian nexus]

did homie just CTRLc CTRLv my message xD

[crisp heart]

yes

[obsidian nexus]

xD

[shell sonnet]

If you want to hit directs though, just use model 1887?

2 more shots
Higher damage
Hitscan

[crisp heart]

because the CL40 also does aoe? as I said. it does alot already

[shell sonnet]

Imo its a straight downgrade in all situations

It does destruction, which is nice
And it does have some splash, but pretty much everything that doesnt hit right between the feet does jack

[obsidian nexus]

i agree, but the reload on CL40 is much faster. and the sound and delay on the direct hits feels amazing. its one of the best feelings* in the game. also, mine CL40 combos dont work on model. thats why i like the CL40 more. but im still gonna learn model because its just objectively better

[shell sonnet]

Thing is, faster reload rarely helps
If you get bum rushed, you die

The only that does is contribute to spam

Cl-40 does feel mazing, but it doesnt contribute to balance

Mine and frag combos are nice but i find the damn thing to be more of a hinderance unless you run them too, greatly limiting your loadout options

[crisp heart]

it can't all be sunshine and butterflies, can it?

[shell sonnet]

What is sunshine and butterflies about it?

[obsidian nexus]

i agree, but considering how oppresive cl40 already is against light. if u buff it it will just be broken against lights. same thing if u buff revolver by 1dmg

i agree with u completely @shell sonnet but as a CL40 enthousiast. i think its better to keep it this way, maybe some faster reloads, more shots or something. but not damage. it will just be too oppresive against lights.

[crisp heart]

not everything. because it is fine as it is.

[shell sonnet]

Not necessarily

Easy splash damage is a problem
I dont want a straight damage buff, that just makes it an easy mode noob gun to get light off you

Id love some kind of direct hit gimmic, to make them even more awesome
To match the feel

[obsidian nexus]

yea, if they would lean more into the direct hit mechanic than im ALL in for it.

[shell sonnet]

I do prefer underpowered weapons over op ones, but it also sucks to see it well
Suck

There must be a way to make everyone happy

I did actually dicuss a few options before in here

Wanna hear it and give your 2 cents on it?

[obsidian nexus]

sure

[crisp heart]

yeah, by not buffing/nerfing it

[shell sonnet]

Not everyone is happy though

Id love to use it but it just doesnt work

Thats why im trying to find something

[obsidian nexus]

it kinda does suck, but ive been religously playing it and it does have it strenghts that make me want to pick it over something else like FCAR or AK

[shell sonnet]

Btw i got a funny strat with it

I shared it before not sure who it was, wanna see it?

[obsidian nexus]

yesyes lemme see

[crisp heart]

by "everyone", you mean "you" right?

[shell sonnet]

Everyone that would like to use the weapon

[crisp heart]

I would like to use the weapon and I think it's fine.

[shell sonnet]

Editing it rq

[shell sonnet]

i call it battery fishing

[obsidian nexus]

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

thats so funny, ive also seen people do it with nades,

[shell sonnet]

anyways, ive got my stuff written down somewhere, hold on

2 things are just copied over from tf2

loch n load, only environmental damage unless it hits directs, upon which it gets big damage and aoe
(since you already die to 2 directs as light, this changes nothing to them, but its helpful for close clusters of enemies)

grenade launcher, direct hits explode with decent damage, misses turn into rollers that detonate on a timer
(no more easy splash damage, but has its moments, might be spammy though)

or a slight variation of that, stick bombs
(you can sidestep a miss more easily, reducing the effectiveness of splash)

[obsidian nexus]

hmmm, yeah demos are alot more spammy than CL40 tho.

i like the idea of them rolling, but thats what i hate about the MGL on heavy

[shell sonnet]

yeah, its weird

but trust me, once you get used to it it can put in some serious work

[obsidian nexus]

i think it just needs the same damage with a direct hit as model, and lean in on the direct hit playstyle

[shell sonnet]

splash is kind part of its identity though

[obsidian nexus]

idk, i like the CL40 being explode on impact,

[shell sonnet]

but i dont think there is a way to make it useable in 1v1s and helpful in teamfights without making it opressive

cuz model level damage as splash would be stupid

[obsidian nexus]

i mean, i dont think the splash is the CL40's identity

[obsidian nexus]

i think cl40 is really good in 1v1's being able to hop and slide around while flicking and dealing upwards of 110 damage is insane

[shell sonnet]

i mean, there are anti tank ap-round irl
so its not out of the question

it would just feel odd imo, but maybe just cuz i used it so much

[obsidian nexus]

while ur enemy has to aim with their ak while being slow asf

i think number changes on the reload and amount of shells could make it more in line with other weapons.

maybe a "ring" of minimal damage before it falls off hard. idk if this makes sense. so 110 for direct lets say, 90 for within .5 meter of enemy. and then falling off fast

so no crazy splash damage. but also consistent damage.

[shell sonnet]

didnt they just change that?
i doubt theyd want to revert it for this 1 weapon

[obsidian nexus]

yeah, idk why they changed that. but it nerfed the CL40 super hard

[shell sonnet]

imo there are 2 decent ways we could change it

+2 ammo
+higher rof
-longer reload speed

or
2.
+higher direct damage
+(slightly) faster projectile

something like that

would still feel weird with it not being an (actual) splash weapon anymore
but if it makes it useable it should be fine

or maybe the devs have a whole nother idea on what to do with it
i just hope they do something

[obsidian nexus]

yeah excactly, if it REALLY needs to be buffed. i think its fine, it just needs a little bit of love

[shell sonnet]

on a slightly related note

we have "tama trauma" as goo grenade skin

what about a "nama nade launcher" thats just a chicken shooting eggs?

[plain wasp]

Tama trauma is the best goo nade skin too because you can flip it

[vagrant scroll]

Ospuze spesial skin? (S2 BP)

It has the same animation

[plain wasp]

That's for frag nade

[vagrant scroll]

Oh

I forgor

[plain wasp]

Both pineapple styles for the frag have the flippy inspect

Then Tama trauma has the same but it's a goo nade skin

[vagrant scroll]

But the ospuze skin is ospuze that means better

[vagrant scroll]

Yes, that's right

[cunning kettle]

Doesn’t pyro also have a flip inspect

[vagrant scroll]

Its different, but yes

[plain wasp]

That inspect is for any Pyro skin

I also have ospuze pyro skin tho

[vagrant scroll]

From beta?

[plain wasp]

Probably

[vagrant scroll]

Thats cool

[plain wasp]

I have all beta BP cosmetics

I want flippy and ospuze gateways nowww

[vagrant scroll]

And i started playing in S1

[cunning kettle]

Can u send the tama inspec

I wanna see what’s different

[plain wasp]

Tama and pineapple frags have exactly the same where you flip it then kiss it and Pyro you just flip it higher

[vagrant scroll]

You kiss the grenade at the end

[cunning kettle]

Funny

[plain wasp]

Also Tama makes silly noises when you do that and also when you throw it

[cunning kettle]

Tama squeak

[vagrant scroll]

Yes

[plain wasp]

I need some viewers of the clip I put in light main chat

[vagrant scroll]

Are you playing on xbox or ps?

[plain wasp]

Xbox

[rugged spindle]

guys i predicted bow for s3

[obsidian nexus]

u can has sticker now

[vagrant scroll]

We need the nama tama skins for more grenades

Like an angry nama tama for the frag

A nama tama on fire for pyronade (very creative)

[rugged spindle]

[cunning kettle]

Fried tama

[plain wasp]

Tama skin for every gun

[rain glacier]

does rocket not count as a gadget?

[low bobcat]

you had a vision 😭

[eager turtle]

Can the dev team fix the backstab on the knife, I get so many backstabs that just don't count

[eager wasp]

its a mess, some dont count, some aren't even in the back but are still counted

[eager turtle]

I know

we knife players work so hard 😢

[rough carbon]

TF2 has had facestabs for years, good luck lol

[broken widget]

so like, throwing knives gonna get looked at anytime soon? way too strong

[grim epoch]

u know how hard they are to hit and to aim i think that alone is relativly fair

idk how to spell that

[broken widget]

no, used them one round and it just puts the game on easy mode. Needs "reload" or no headshot damage multiplier at the very least

[sand monolith]

Then you’re just good with them. They’re harder than the hitscan guns and have plenty of downsides and counterplay. Players who repeatedly run directly into them and expect to just be able to dps race them are kind of silly

[cunning kettle]

im shit with xp-54 and guns in general but when i equip tks i can lobotomize myself and just spam m1 and when i get in danger i just run away with grapple

in high elo play they arent good but in qc they have way too much constant damage output

[long swan]

[ornate juniper]

1. Rework SR-84
   • Increase damage to 124
   • Increase time between shots
   • Make it a projectile weapon

2. Buff KS-23
   • Increase damage dealed to Gadgets (Barricades, Aps, etc), Turrets, Goo
   • Let it destroy walls with 2 shots instead of 3
   • Make it hitscan

3. Nerf Throwing Knives
   • Reduce damage or increase time between shots

4. Nerf Model 1887
   • Increase time between shots a little bit
   • Decrease mid/long range damage

5. Nerf XP-54
   • Decrease damage at mid/long range

6. Buff SH1900
   • Decrease bullet spread
   • Increase damage at mid range a little bit

7. Buff R .357
   • Increase damage by 1

8. Nerf / Rework / Remove Winch Claw
   • #👂┇game-feedback message

9. Rework RPG
   • Reduce damage to 100
   • Increase blast radius

10. Rework Charge N Slam:
    • Set damage from the initial collision at 60-80 HP, and subsequent collisions at 30-40
    • Decrease CD

11. Buff Sledgehammer
    • Make its secondary attack multi-hit

12. Buff/Rework M melee weapons to make them more viable
    • #👂┇game-feedback message

13. Buff 93r
    • Increase damage from a bullet by 1-2

14. Buff/Rework Spear
    • #👂┇game-feedback message

15. Rework Defibrillator
    • Reduce reviving time
    • Reduce amount of HP restored

16. Rework Stun Gun
    • #👂┇game-feedback message

17. Give reworked Stun Gun or Winch Claw to M as they lack distance-breaking possibilities

18. Buff FCAR
    • Increase damage from a bullet by 1

19. Buff Glitch Grenade
    • Increase blast radius
    • Increase throwing speed

20. Buff Data Reshaper
    • #👂┇game-feedback message

21. Buff Smoke Grenade
    • Make smoke thicker
    • Increase radius of smoke spread

[little quest]

Nerf RPG and melee damage and throwing knives and sword

And nerf flamethrower range and winch claw range

[vale obsidian]

all of this but embark dosn't even roll out balance patch 💀

[hazy spoke]

how tf do pyro mines 80 damage on impact duuuuuude i just want to know the person that had that idea i mean this is so fckn stupid

[hallow current]

I actually think XP-54 is in a good place now that I used it because it has a fast ROF compared to its mag size.

You better hit shots unless you wanna reload mid gunfight.

It actually works well as a burst weapon that rewards for skill.

It might be comparable in damage at range but it does not have the same sustain as an AK

[coarse berry]

BUFF M60 IS SO BAD

[coarse berry]

wut are u smoking saying nerf flame thrower range lmao

[steel moat]

He's smoking oxygen

[coarse berry]

geez

[wicked latch]

i aggre with you for the throwing knife and the KS-23 but not with the model 1887 and the SH1900

All of the embark staff please hear my request.

[vale obsidian]

5min?
whoe

no more 5 min cd

[wicked latch]

you have to Nerf the throwing knife, 2 shot in medium body is not normal, same thing with the flame thrower .

me apart from that... everything is "balanced"

rather 2 click

no close range is 2 click

[upper sinew]

(there is no meta only ttk valyu and your concystancy in hits as player with your play style and awarenes to counter play)

[wicked latch]

my guy in close range a light dash in you and just melee attack you, 10 hp is nothing, all lights do that, and it logic

thanks

[vale obsidian]

you can't do that on player placed zip right?
right?

[upper sinew]

not bad (the finlas beeing the finals)

[plain kestrel]

I haven't checked, but I think it's possible

[vale obsidian]

👀

im maining demat now

[upper sinew]

(can be use for counter play)

but the clip is not that situation

[ashen hawk]

lol reminds me of a seoul powershift when a sniper light was shotgunning me and then elbowed my last 30 hp lol

[vale obsidian]

not counter play but an anti counter play 👍
turret is not that useful for my playstyle and i use zipline 24/7 so it'll be so good

[upper sinew]

(bhop with dashges are satifyng)

[vale obsidian]

you can do a slide hop into dash, its basically a longer distant dash with no down side

[upper sinew]

thas something more for M (withut dashes)

[vale obsidian]

more so light dash

slide hop are very fast when you skip the slow falling down after the hop part

[upper sinew]

sliding to get out/disengadge a situation (my bad)

[vale obsidian]

my only clip that dosn't end in death

this the clip i use a tech i name "redirect slide"

[upper sinew]

sooting to get kill, forced to reload (M-nade laucher momment)

[vale obsidian]

every shot need to count
that why i love that gun

[upper sinew]

(music stardet in that moment xD)

[vale obsidian]

i love your aim style

[upper sinew]

same goes for double barrel shotgunn (sometimes do be inconsistnace cuz of spray padern or just skill issue on my side)

[vale obsidian]

yep xD
btw slow down your typing man xD you miss type every 3rd word

[upper sinew]

im multy tasking (playng ant tipping)

te clips if sendet are like the previous 2 matches

bank it grind do be the most fun im having

[vale obsidian]

running circle around you

[upper sinew]

same

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/pakpakthree-gif-16135556887884443801

[upper sinew]

old clip (defensive granade momet)

[vale obsidian]

i like to call that Nade trapping

last 2 are nut

[upper sinew]

same goes for that one (also a very old one)

[upper sinew]

going bulzie on them i see xD (do be epic)

[upper sinew]

and i still love the parkour mecanics in this game

[upper sinew]

i survive that

[vale obsidian]

**PAIN™️ **

[upper sinew]

he also damged himself, giving me more headroom/range to finish

(i have too many clips saved )

[boreal laurel]

People complaining about sword+dash when this weapon exists… 🤦‍♂️ At least if they do nerf sword at some point I have a fall-back weapon to main

Also does anyone have any tips on hitting more consistently with single-shot weapons? (I.E. shotguns, revolver, bow) Is there a special tech, or is it just practice/intuition? Because tracking people at the speed they move is painful

[upper sinew]

(shot slower, take your time to line up your shots, shoot slower or hipfire and impove the time you take to line up your shots or incears sensi with time you imporve)

some wappon are better hypfiring at some ranges (burst pistol, revolver, shotgun)

[timid sandal]

does the silencer on the pistol actually do something or it’s just for sound/looks?

[upper sinew]

only at certan ranges heareble (smales audio que radius)

[upper sinew]

thats the finals beeing the finals (people using what is given ingame to the fullest , can call paranoya)

[turbid saddle]

Agreed

[upper sinew]

to pracice just go bank it , we all starde somewere and keep improving on it ( ignor the music and cut )

[timid sandal]

I will say despite the obvious range the sawed off kicks ass

What irks me is that you reload both shells even if you shoot one shot

[upper sinew]

i mean its a small detail but, wold be cool having a diffren animation for loading one shell (not behind the currency, only quality of live change)

like in XDfiend i love that the character is holding his/her thumb on it to only eject one shell

[silk totem]

Is throwing knifes nerfed?

i feel like the enemy is blocking my knifes with their weapon

[boreal laurel]

Well if it’s dual blades you’re facing, then of course you’re getting blocked… 😉

[upper sinew]

chip damage involved (deflected)

chip damage do be a fighing game thing but in a shooter do be hitting driffrent

[silk totem]

All i am hitting is their damn wepaons

[upper sinew]

go for body hits instad of heashots

[silk totem]

thats what i am trying

[upper sinew]

(you got this)

[silk totem]

i am going for body

[jagged escarp]

Can we remove the baseball bat skin for the weapon baseball bat. Whole premise:
Primary - WIDE slow hits with some end lag that does most damage out of all melee light weapons
Secondary - You through up a baseball which can be used as a long ranged attack doing less damage than primary. You have like 5 that can recharge over time if you have less than 5.

[upper sinew]

sounding very gimmicky (give the base ball tracking or hitscan like bow, cold be funn) i dont know mele ttk valuis with in or after 1 quickmele in betwenn but gota be around tere

[covert parcel]

how are the maps red like that

[plain wasp]

It changes when you get gold 1

[covert parcel]

what gamemodes are it like that

[plain wasp]

All

[obsidian nexus]

rework throwing knifes so its not brainrot

[hidden kindle]

are they gonna buff model 1887 sometime soon?

[hardy dust]

Its already the best medium weapon

And by a decent margin

[hidden kindle]

nah it sucks

[hardy dust]

Just hit your shots and it's great

[boreal laurel]

I would give that spot to AK. 1887 is close but the skill ceiling required for it puts it well behind the AK IMO

[hardy dust]

Its a better weapon. Ak is easier to use but has a lower potential

Model is harder to use but has a better reward

[bright atlas]

does anyone know the timing for sword lunge charge? because i always relase the mouse button too quickly and the hit gets cancelled
i want to learn the timing

[pearl spear]

Please don’t. The sword dash combo makes me want to uninstall

[bright atlas]

lol just let me know the timing 😦

[pearl spear]

If you’re releasing the lunge too early then just try releasing it after you press dash

[bright atlas]

sometimes i don't dash

[pearl spear]

What do you mean you’re releasing too early then? Are you not already in their face trying to hit them?

[bright atlas]

yes i am but i release the mouse button to early

so the hit cancels \

[lament mountain]

in The Finals, there are Guns, and then there are Fun Weapons. the melee class, the flamethrower, bow, maybe the sniper rifle. I want more Fun Weapons. not necessarily melee, just something that damages in a way other than firing bullets

actually different idea. Sledgehammer for Light and Medium. the damage is the same but they take much longer to swing it because it's too heavy

[bright atlas]

thanks

[lament mountain]

anyway back on my original point: here's an idea: a laser gun for Heavy that can lock onto a target, effectively melting them unless they can get away. However, the laser gun has one major weakness: its start-up. It can't start firing unless it already sees something, and it takes three seconds of holding the fire button for it to start shooting. you must hold down the button when the opponent is in your crosshair, and as long as they stay within your field of view, the laser will stick on to them. The laser has an overheat and enough duration to EXACTLY kill a heavy. no more, no less.

[bright atlas]

why

[pearl spear]

Cool idea but it would make a lot of people mad

Especially when you’re playing light.

[lament mountain]

it's definitely a weapon you have to respect in an engagement. but if you get the first hit in you'll have an easy time countering.

it gets harder to lock-on the further away its target is. and it has a hard time switching targets while the old is still alive

[boreal laurel]

It just takes practice. Generally I have the most luck when I charge up longer than necessary so as to avoid releasing too soon. And when you get within melee range, just circle-strafe while charging up and the enemy probably won’t be able to track you

[boreal laurel]

Then you’ve obviously never met an SH1900 user 😈

[pearl spear]

I don’t really get upset set from lh1 users even if they’re good I feel like I still have a chance. Dash sword players come around the corner when I don’t know they’re there then I get 1 shot if I’m playing light.

[boreal laurel]

Not LH1, SH1900. The light shotgun. Also a sword lunge won’t truly 1-shot another light (it’ll just put you at 10-ish HP), but a 1900 shot will kill you instantly

But I do feel your pain. Light’s greatest enemy is other lights

[plain wasp]

There is a sound cue for when it's ready

Go into practice and listen and lunge a few times and you'll hear it

[hallow current]

Id play heavy if that had brass knuckles as a primary weapon

[boreal laurel]

Ugh, triple M11 is just cancerous…I would take almost literally any other team comp over it

[hallow current]

Brass knuckles for heavy:
-Applies a slight speed boost to the heavy class
-Primary fire- "1-2". Litterally a left and right punches one after another.
-similar or faster rate of fire than a spear
-Secondary fire- A wind-up punch that lunges you forward slightly (kinda like those punches they throw in movies I guess lol)
-2 piece kills a light
-3 piece kills a medium
-4 piece + biscuit kills a heavy

Claws for light class:
-Allows a slight wall climb passive
(Maybe wall jumps??)
-Secondary: Damage blocking (No deflecting)

[pearl spear]

I completely misread that but yes light shotty is something else

[pearl spear]

Cool concept but do you think we need more melees right after getting the spear?

[hallow current]

Idc

[reef vector]

Make a colt

[warped obsidian]

Is it me or dagger can do 320 from front ?

[pearl spear]

I feel like an M1 Garand for the medium would be cool it would be medium to long range possibly then following that with WW 2 cosmetics or something.

[plain wasp]

No because that'll be an LH1 skin

[tardy parcel]

really need one WT

[pearl spear]

LH1 and M1 garand shoot differently do they not?

M1 garand shoot slower and have only 5 or 6 bullets in a mag or clip

Please correct me if I’m wrong though

[plain wasp]

the main difference is that the bullets aren't mag fed in an m1 garand I believe

[vale obsidian]

i don't want another melee in the game tbh

[vale obsidian]

its medium best weapon when you don't diagnosis with skill issue

[plain wasp]

Light only has 2 I want anotherrr

[hallow current]

I feel like y'all are too scared and don't have any vision.

If they added brass knuckles to the game for the heavy class that would give me a reason to play the heavy class (im a light main lol)

It would be so funny to be the guy who brings brass knuckles to a gun fight.

Imagine:
Speed Boost passive
Heavy environmental damage
Heavy player damage
Hard hitting secondary fire after a wind up
Wind up punch lunges forward slightly

Heavy HP pool + Speed Boost + any specialization + any gadgets + brass knuckles.

That sounds crazy and fun af.

Glitch grenade buff suggestions:

Explodes on impact
Increase travel speed
Increase radius
Remove LOS requirement

[bitter surge]

Give heavy long ranged gun plz

[vale obsidian]

aka buff lewis and m60

[bitter surge]

Maybe or…. a new gun ? why not like a sniper without a scope or something new and unique

[swift chasm]

give medium a damage gadget

[reef sage]

Totally controversial but an interesting idea nonetheless:
Explosive West Specialization for Heavy: When activated if heavy dies during 30 seconds timeframe, the west will explode dealing massive damage to players and buildings in a big radius(350 around heavy and further away you go, the less damage you'll take). If 30 seconds have passed and heavy is still alive the west will become deactivated and will go on a long cooldown.
Honestly, I dunno why I've thought of that but when I did, it got my interest.

[bitter surge]

Bruh

[cunning kettle]

Scope weapon on heavy = rat sniper except they turtle instead of run

[shell sonnet]

That would punish people for winning fights

It basically just re-introduces dead go boom

People already complained a lot of the 1-shots out of the game and still are about the remaining ones
Adding even more seems like a bad idea

[bronze spade]

this game would benefit greatly by having no hipfire penalties

[oak wyvern]

which weapon is the best for small at the time?

[vale obsidian]

HELL YEAH

[vale obsidian]

by small you mean light class?

people use the mp5 bc its the best all rounder weapon
but tbh every gun is good (except brust pistol)

[oak wyvern]

Ah yeah sorry I meant light but thx

[oak wyvern]

The same thing for heavy and medium ?

[vale obsidian]

every heavy weapon is good except lewis, m60, and spear

for medium every gun is good
and quo GUN

[upper sinew]

wee nee a mode wehere we can play as light or Medium but twist is all wappopns are accesible for them

calling it mashup play orsomething

[restive plover]

Lewis is still fantastic, just hard to use.

[vale obsidian]

@unborn stirrup #👂┇game-feedback message

i emote bc that was no point running, i was down to 50-80ish hp and its too little to run out of flame range even if i jump of the railing. also i was quick scoping dude, don't tell me to be those mf camping on cran all game

[unborn stirrup]

I've been able to run from flame winches, and even if you don't wanna be the dude camping crane all game just don't get close enough for a heavy to winch you.

[eager wasp]

I don’t think the intentions of people being winched is to be winched, it just happens

[radiant vapor]

"it just happens" is the definition of skill issue. be aware of you r souroundings and enemy cooldowns

[last wraith]

does anyone know where to find a list of every legendary skin with a custom reload/equip/inspect?

[eager wasp]

I am pretty aware, sorry for not knowing every little thing that’s happening in a fight, I forgot I’m supposed to know the position of every enemy, every team rotation, every third party, every gadget, specialization weapon, which team has what, while also being in a fight, and counting the seconds of a cooldown

[radiant vapor]

you dont have to true. :)

but kowing stuff like that will make you a better player over all. information is power

[eager wasp]

You are silly

[shell sonnet]

There are spots where you literally cant avoid winch
And a lot more where its still incredibly dangerous
(Many of which are around the objective)

The only way awareness helps me is knowing when to go afk and just give up because i just cant play atm

[plucky spade]

Two ideas I just thought that maybe are too dumb to introduce:

1. M60 Rambo animations set( with a belt fed m60 skin), where the heavy handles the m60 one handed.
2. Weapon reload animations include an animation where at the start of a reload the magazine/shell or whatever you load just appears on the character's hand ( see SYSHORIZON glass break animation but reverse ) and at the end the end, before the reload ends, the reverse animation begins. Same happens for the "worldview" models.

[unborn stirrup]

Tbh allat really ain’t necessary, “it just happens” does indeed just happen sometimes. Essentially eyeballing positioning is usually a good bet and unless you wanna go giga-tryhard not much critical thought is needed.

This was meant to be a reply to #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[pliant helm]

I think heavy should maybe have an arm shield, like Gibby from apex, but with low shield health, maybe that would be a good set up for a sniper maybe for light? I’m not sure but I think it would be good for pushing points a little bit more

Cuz Ik heavy can be a little bit frail at lights at close range, maybe adding somethjng like this will add a little bit more of a defensive kit

[hardy dust]

Lewis is still very solid, just hard to use. M60 is fine. The only "bad" heavy weapons are spear and mgl imo

[bronze moon]

Mgl has its moments but it’s bad in 1v1s. The only issue I have with it is that sometimes it explodes on time and sometimes it just doesn’t

[carmine viper]

need a svd

yo

[elder delta]

idk ive been using spear for heavy a bit now and im literally cooking. I get like 20+ elims every match even tho I dont play much heavy

[low bobcat]

me getting dead go boom ptsd

[ornate juniper]

Theres already enough melee trash that isnt balanced

[timber idol]

we would need a boxing gloves skin

[hallow current]

I more think it's an ego issue.

People can't reconcile the fact that melee weapons are doing as good as a hitscan weapon.

Also, some hitscan guns are overpowered. Why can't melee weapons be overpowered as well for a season.

[plucky spade]

Everything should be op actually

[plain wasp]

Melee does kinda require you to be right next to them

Maybe idk, keep your distance

[slender sable]

Pls buff the burst pistol as well as the riot shield at least a little bit. Ive barely seen them in a match

[hallow current]

Exactly, if they added brass knuckles to the game and you died to it it litterally meant you either have terrible positioning or the heavy out smarted you.

Either way, there is a clear risk/reward melee weapons.

[ornate juniper]

Winch claw + Sledge
Sword + Dash
Yeah it so hard to get close

Until winch is reworked or removed there should be no new melee weapons for Heavy

[hallow current]

Sniper - counter winch + sledge

Dash - counter sword + dash

Mines

Turret

Litterally getting better at aiming.

The truth is that it's fine as is.

There are hitscan weapons that need to be worked on as well as melee weapons and there is litterally no reason to differentiate and try to vilify melee weapons.

They aren't the problem.

[bronze spade]

if they remove hipfire penalties, the melee wouldn't be seen as problematic

[hallow current]

I never heard of a hip fire penalty in my life?

[bronze spade]

100% accuracy when you are firing your gun from hipfire, you point you shoot, currently you cant do that and the weapon spread is random

[hallow current]

Why would we do that?

Hip fire is the close range option...

Wider spread for when people are in your face... No need to aim

[bronze spade]

think of halo, sometimes we get to close to our opponents and it is better to hipfire at that range then melee

[ornate juniper]

Melee weapons themselves aren't a problem
What makes them bad is horrific Specializations like winch and dash

[slender sable]

We need a buff to the burst light pistol badly

[spare arch]

yeah except instead of light burst pistol it should be 1887

[restive plover]

1887 is fine where it is.

[slender sable]

Idk bro. I think the idea of the weapon is not bad but the damage (in general, not only in mid to long ranges) is hilarious

[spare arch]

I want to one shot lights

it would be funny

[restive plover]

1 shot + quick melee.

[spare arch]

Yeah I do that all the time. I just hate lights

[slender sable]

Also we need a nerf to the sword + dash combo (dashing around you in circles while slashing and using melee)

[upper sinew]

does a mode wehere we can only play as light or Medium but twist is all wappons accessable sound funn ??? (heavy guns maby included) no wappon balancing for that mode needed

[slender sable]

Its really furstrating to fight against as a medium

[restive plover]

Take elevation
Use glitch traps
Shoot them

[upper sinew]

thats the finals for yall

[slender sable]

Shooting them is almost impossible, using glitch traps is not quick enough and the only option remains to use a jump pad.. which is not really viable while your trying to heal your team :/

It may be skill issue but me and my friends find it really strange

[upper sinew]

what about healing paks as an alternative option for more ranged heals but you trow it and its caped so not only one wohld get you to 100% health

[slender sable]

And the top of the cake is the bug which mutes all enemy footsteps making it impossible to hear them sneak behind you

[upper sinew]

can be taken by the enamy but only with a 1 sec animation instad of instntly (it has a 10-20% less effective us maby)

[slender sable]

Idk man.. it makes healers way too powerful

[upper sinew]

thats wy its caped so you ned more that one (50% M 125 = 4 heals paks, 3 in inventory / can be capt at L-100-125 /M-200-215 /H-300-305 )

[slender sable]

I think this can be a Light's gadget, cuz they die easier

And M has the heal beam

[upper sinew]

animation wise what whold it then be

can imagen just the mine animation but after placing it it hovers

besides if thas possible as L surviabillety for cearan situation will be increased (only if its instand, its just 5-10% faste then beam)

[low bobcat]

mines and turret do not counter melee. I think the problem is that medium is basically screwed against a winch or a light up close

[eager wasp]

^

[leaden kiln]

Don't bring a knife too a gunfight... You might just win

[lost pivot]

New weapons in bound the AUG for medium the P90 for light and the RPK for heavy.

[plain wasp]

No I wanna new melee for light

[lost pivot]

Noooooo

[solid hedge]

Spear throw

[hallow current]

What guns do you guys want them to add? Are y'all running out of ideas?

[plain wasp]

How about dual Sickles for light

[cunning kettle]

m202 flash for light

would be so peak if they gave light a 4 shot pyro nade launcher

also fuck heavy melee

[hallow current]

It seems like some people don't like the unique combinations you can use in the finals while some of us think it's litterally what makes the game great.

I can 2 shot a medium with a sniper

You can also do that with a melee...

Akm has a huge mag size and dominates range.

Get close to a melee weapon and your at a disadvantage.

(Insert ability to make an advantage for yourself with a winch claw or dash)

[cunning kettle]

assuming you hit headshots

[hallow current]

You get the point damn it

[cunning kettle]

and with how the scope is so bad in this game, good luck hitting it past like 75m or in cqb

[low bobcat]

yes but an entire class shouldn't just be completely fucked in melee while the other 2 arent

[cunning kettle]

and then their shotgun has longer range than some of the automatics

[low bobcat]

also melee does in fact do higher dps than ranged weapons

dont you dare disrespect my boy

[hallow current]

Maybe it should

There's a reason why the light class is small, faster, and has abilities making it more elusive

[cunning kettle]

you the type of person to say that 93r is a perfectly usable weapon

[hallow current]

You can litterally go invis but get winched, who's fault is it?

[cunning kettle]

"fuck mediums and their cool and unique melees"

[low bobcat]

-the finals game devs

[cunning kettle]

on god tho

[hallow current]

As a matter of fact I have produced walls of texts asking them to buff the 93r

I feel bad for the dev that made that sorry ass weapon lol

[low bobcat]

maybe it should

gives a completely fucking stupid argument that makes no sense

[cunning kettle]

maybe it should

[low bobcat]

maybe it should

[cunning kettle]

nah it shouldnt

[cunning kettle]

so called "small and elusive" lights after i fucking blow them up

not me who blew them up but you get the point

[low bobcat]

the "small and elusive" 4'11 man after his torso gets evaporated by my model 1887

[cunning kettle]

the "small and elusive" dawrf after i place two beeping circles on a door

[low bobcat]

the "small and elusive" light after getting brutally beaten to death with a sledgehammer

[plain wasp]

The small elusive dwarf after thinking "I sure hope I can make it past these mines"

[cunning kettle]

the "small and elusive" light after i give him usa police treatment

[low bobcat]

the "small, fast, and elusive" light after he dashes directly into a landmine

[cunning kettle]

the "small, fast, and elusive" light after he dashes right off the edge of under construction

also that mine play was so peak

10/10 would do it again

[low bobcat]

the small, fast and elusive light after being hit with a glitch mine, making him unable to dash away as I punch him to death

[cunning kettle]

the "small and elusive" light after i throw a funny red barrel at them

no explosion, just ceased to exist

[restive plover]

God should kill whoever made this image.

[low bobcat]

wait gimme a minute

[low bobcat]

#heavy-build-main message

i found him

[cunning kettle]

keyword: "think"

[low bobcat]

i mean it wasn't just one person who made it

[cunning kettle]

actually probably was prithvi

[low bobcat]

@pine stirrup

[low bobcat]

@hexed tulip

petition for embark to add this as a sticker

[low bobcat]

the small fast and elusive light after shaq winches and shotguns them

[hallow current]

Jesus Christ. Your right. You win. You don't need to get hostile

[low bobcat]

yay i win 😁

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-heavy-light-jin-roh-the-wolf-brigade-gif-1584227223289405353

[junior ledge]

Y is the gif not of an rpg?

[vale obsidian]

i don't know i didn't make it

[pine stirrup]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vale obsidian]

our god will smite you down before you finish your prayers

[hexed tulip]

btw rule 1 and 2

[vale obsidian]

where can i see the rule again?

[hexed tulip]

#🟥┇rules

[vale obsidian]

my stuff is not hate speach dude??

[hexed tulip]

no not urs

[vale obsidian]

oh..
you should've reply to that msg then

[hexed tulip]

ye

sry

[vale obsidian]

🪰

[hexed tulip]

[knotty lichen]

Here's an idea for a gun

ANY NEW GUN THATS COMPETENT ENOUGH TO SHAKE UP THE META BY EVEN A BIT

AND NO IM NOT CRYING YOU'RE CRYING😭

[late idol]

which light weapons are best

[vale obsidian]

people use xp54 bc its very good all rounder weapon
but every other gun are just if not better in their own way (except burst pistol fck that gun)

[fleet brook]

XP 54 is a laser with a good ttk and a sight

[vale obsidian]

here's an idea!: **PAIN CANNON™️ **

• 20 damage on impact
• it do 5s bleed damage
• 1 ammo
• 15s cd
• horrendous recoil
• horrendous projectile speed

the 5s bleed damage will delay your health regen so if you play med with 7s regen time it'll turn to 12s until your char start regening (better play with your team now ass hole)

[fleet brook]

It has none of the drawbacks of the other light weapons

[late idol]

what is the new light meta

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-cod-call-of-duty-call-of-du-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-ii-simon-ghost-riley-gif-27104686

[civic cairn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009830597067292743/1192555729060642887/IMG_5777.gif

[shell sonnet]

Imo that might not be useful enough

So how about a flare gun instead?

No aoe area denial, but easier to hit than the pyro nade
Still the same gas/goo destruction utility

Though i dont think that an item like this would be a good idea
People already complain enough about fire
And being made to prolong your regen time might be pretty annoying
And people also complain about instant effect damage gadgets

[vale obsidian]

that why i call it the **PAIN CANNON™️ **

[shell sonnet]

Fair enough

We have worse already

[torn mantle]

does the m11 count as a "light machine gun"

[upper sinew]

(by the way just slide to the side or away for distance)

[late idol]

What

[pale pine]

93r

[vale obsidian]

its so obvious man
93r

[late idol]

what is 93r

Oh it’s a gun

maybe I shouldn’t follow the new meta

[radiant vapor]

does goo slow down the platform in powershift?
(pls only comment if you actually know)

[warped quiver]

if it hasn't changed recently which I don't think so, yeah

[boreal laurel]

Light 😄

Seriously almost any light weapon slaps once you learn it. XP-54, M11, LH1, V9S, and throwing knives are the best, but the shotgun, sword, bow, and even dagger can be deadly too. Sooo yeah, just light

[late idol]

Ok I think I will learn the xp54 since it is a bit easier

[boreal laurel]

Yeah, I’d say it’s about the easiest and best gun in the game right now. It’s the only automatic weapon I use, period

[sage ocean]

The light machine gun (or LMG for short) is the M60 and Lewis for the heavy class. If you think the term "light" doesn't apply to the LMG's, check up what a heavy machine gun is, the HMG.

[shell sonnet]

i need some opinions on something:

synergy-support gadget idea for medium: boom box

upon use, a boom box is spawned in front of you (it can be carried and thrown like any of the canisters)
if hit, it will release a shockwave the next time it touches anything (not on hit, so you can do the quick-melee throw)
this shockwave will deafen contestants and destroys a small slither of buildings (about as tall as the vents) in a wide aoe

Turrets and aps can be placed on the boom box, but unlike furniture, the boom box wont break upon letting go
Maybe make data reshaper always transform it into glitch barrels, to give the option of obtaining them, at the cost of being a big commitment

It would also be great with dematerializer, allowing the user to quickly delete a whole floor

[jade violet]

what about medium buddy

now my weapon
Light→LH1
Medium→Famas(Because Im controller)
Heavy→KS23

its ok?

[solid hedge]

Spear right click moved to left click (leads to ez 2 tap on lights, and almost guaranteed death if going for the 3rd swing on anything else). Right click to throw spear. Go pick it up if you miss, golden bullet if its a headshot (auto retrieve the spear to my hand if I square them away with the dimmadome javelin toss from downtown dimmadome into their dimmadome). In short: Right click throw spear please... or remove the javelin skin from the game. Change it to another type of pokey stick, preferably one that is not known for being thrown, kind of like how the spear was before the javelin skin. Seeing it as a javelin reeks of what could have been done with the spear. 👨‍🌾

[boreal laurel]

KS-23 underpowered? I don't think so 😎

[plain wasp]

Sword, AKM and hammer is what I've been using

[eager wasp]

sword, akm, mgl or somethin

[sand monolith]

So power creep? The level of the meta weapons needs to be brought down. We don’t need more problematic weapons before the current ones have even been fixed

[vivid quartz]

Did spear get a nerf ?

[hardy dust]

No

[north snow]

do any of the flame thrower skins change the color of the fire

[late idol]

I used to play during the launch of the game, the shotgun plus invis was wayyy to good but now it’s nerfed

[chilly coral]

bring back slide jump pad mechanic pls

[mighty wharf]

Anybody have any good medium builds they could recommend?

[dreamy hare]

turret, dual blades, glitch trap, jump pad and defib

[boreal laurel]

This but with demat

[dreamy hare]

im running with turret, but think need to switch on demat, because its helps steal cashout, but... turret helps defend cashout, when you can just block incoming damage, turret shoot enemies

[boreal laurel]

Honestly they’re both good, I just prefer demat

[low bobcat]

This is my medium build
Heal beam (or demat for solo que)
Model 1887/ AKM
jump pad
defib
glitch trap/goo grenade
this is what most mediums run

wrong channel

[icy sparrow]

@worthy thistle what about double blade and spear how can we fix that?

A long sword instead of double blade would be nice,more calculated strikes instead of spam would make it interesting to play.

[worthy thistle]

well the issue is that light's sword becomes irrelevant

Just make the walk speed faster while swinging (but not blocking that would be dumb) and uncrease damage and maybe add combo abilities with heavy attack options

Spear is alright where it is, i'd say make the heavy move forward more while attack to keep up, thats about it

[icy sparrow]

How about downward slash with one bigger sword to get in range and 2 slash to kill a light?
Just don’t like the spam double blade might get the job done but boring

[worthy thistle]

love it

[icy sparrow]

U mean my new idea or double blade?

[worthy thistle]

yes

[icy sparrow]

New idea yes

[icy sparrow]

Also the downward slash has bonus damage if u jump and then do it

[worthy thistle]

a good way to make it mean something

[vale obsidian]

Weapon idea: heavy cross bow

• practically worst KS-23 with:
• single shot
• no mag
• slow arging projectile

BUT

• the one pro is you can change the arrow tip to be one of the barrel (or even track dart)
  it be less damage and more utility

[weary eagle]

Dual blades are at a weird spot rn for lights, it takes 2 swings to kill a light, unless you cancel the first swing and do a quick melee after the second swing

[vale obsidian]

Dual blades isn't on light?

[weary eagle]

Sorry, I mean against lights

[icy sparrow]

Also u can climb on the huge bolts stuck to walls

[icy sparrow]

Look at auto cross from farcry4 it good for medium

[icy sparrow]

Would be nice if bow and arrow light was explosive cause the slow projectile is so bad it’s barely used.
If not then arrow needs speed buff

[worthy thistle]

yet it still makes me annoyed when a light runs like a sniper from across the map and runs when I pursue

idk, i dont speak on it because idk what to do with if or if we should

[late idol]

any good builds for light using xp54

[eager wasp]

grapple, xp54, smoke, flash, breach charge

[pearl wyvern]

Invis, xp54, smoke, thermal vision, and sonar grenade

[vale obsidian]

all the above

[dusty gorge]

Use a dagger 😁 you'll have fun

[pearl wyvern]

Noted lol.

[dusty gorge]

dagger is heavily slept on, I average 16 kills and have a pb of 26

[vale obsidian]

heavily slept on unless i have skill issue 🤏

[dusty gorge]

the backstabbing ability with the dagger is kinda OP though, so if you can maneuver at all you'll get better over time. I would honestly switch out the sonar grenade with tazer

[paper glen]

❤️

[boreal laurel]

Grapple, frags, breach charge, and a gadget of your choice. I rotate between gas grenade, goo grenade, and thermal bore

Grapple is very slept on

[jade violet]

guys do u think AKM is the best auto rifle 4 medium

hey here is a weapon idea

AEK-971

-900rpm
-17 damage
-medium recoil
-3.0sec reload speed
-30+1 rounds mag

as a "SMG" for medium class

[green marsh]

Is the marksman rifle for light adding points to my quest that say i have to kill with light machineguns or assault rifles?

[restive plover]

No.

[green marsh]

thanks

[novel glen]

glitch trap is way too fucking OP

[sand locust]

it is to op

[eager wasp]

From a dual blades user nuh uh, as also a sword user, yuh huh, im very conflicted

[undone dragon]

remove winch claw plz

[plain wasp]

It just shouldn't make you drop things

[bronze spade]

just a heads up if they dont change anything this update, dont expect any balance changes till season 4, by then myself and many others have moved on

[viscid hawk]

whip for mediums, fast attacks and secondary heavy attack that tugs enemies closer

[dark rune]

just nerf hammer, delete sniper

[plain wasp]

No it just speeds up teammates that you hit

[plain wasp]

No and no, but also take cover

[dark rune]

this was sarcastic obviously

[viscid hawk]

i mean it like a slow-dow/when they're running away they get a slight tug

[plain wasp]

Wasn't sarcastic enough idk

[dark rune]

should have said:
delete hammer and sniper and bow

[plain wasp]

How abouttt

Delete 93r

[blazing raft]

Give the 93r to medium

[dark rune]

delete everything besides the 93r

or delete all shotguns

everything that has situational uses is too op

[lucid barn]

BUFF LEWIS GUN BRING IT BACK TO PROPER RECOIL

[fleet brook]

It counters very specific things mostly people who want to both rush in a room and use there gadgets

But at the same time if you get glitched it's both easier and smarter to back out of the room and let one of your gun teammates shoot it

[near birch]

throwing knives skin idea (if you grew up in the south, you know how much these hurt)

[restive plover]

What are these?

[near birch]

green walnut balls

size of a tennis ball, hard as a rock, and fast as fuck too

[echo pecan]

really

[dusty gorge]

Yo legendary idea, so true!

[dusty gorge]

That’s not ranked stats because I only play Med for ranked, but I used to main light with dagger

[echo pecan]

I mean Ive been killed buy it many times so i can see how

[dusty gorge]

Yeah, I will say if you’ve played basically anything else for a while it’ll be a bit of a change because your play style HAS to be different.

[fading frost]

The XP-54 b slapping 💥😍

[restive plover]

🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[unique plover]

winch claw is cringe, there should be some changes, please

[fleet brook]

Pain

[cunning kettle]

dagger is fun asf but you really gotta get good with the timings to do good

you get moments like this sometimes tho

[unborn stirrup]

watching that first side-stab is painful, as fun as a weapon dagger is it seriously needs a hitbox rework

[cunning kettle]

you havent seen this one

[unborn stirrup]

diabolical

[cunning kettle]

dagger has such a huge window for hitting

its needed because everyone moves so much but its funny sometimes

[normal sluice]

I wanna learn dagger and need tips

[cunning kettle]

have the "fuck it we ball" mentality

learn the dagger timing somewhat

and in combat, dash into your opponent and swing your camera towards them

[normal sluice]

how do I achieve the fuck it we ball mentality

[cunning kettle]

not the best example but yea

[cunning kettle]

run into the enemy without dying

you could flank but i find it more effective to just sidestab with dash

[normal sluice]

I see, also what are the bebest itmes im like 3 away from having every item on light and I'm only missing 1 gun

[cunning kettle]

dash + dagger is a must

[normal sluice]

already run it

[cunning kettle]

vanish is also good

[normal sluice]

run it

[cunning kettle]

i normally run goo to block sightlines and get cover

[normal sluice]

i like using flasflashback it's just hard to hit at times

[cunning kettle]

and the last slot can be whatever but i like gateways since i can use those as an escape route or transporting cashboxes

[normal sluice]

OOhhh don't have it yet lol

I also sometimes play sniper

[cunning kettle]

gateways can also be used to teleport behind your enemies

[normal sluice]

TThat makes sense

I mostly run snipper or dagger those are my 2 and of its dire situation XP-XP-54

[cunning kettle]

example of why goo is good

[normal sluice]

did you throw a flashbaflashbang at the ground!?

oh thay was vanish mb

what the gadget in the middle?

[cunning kettle]

gateway

[normal sluice]

alr ty

I'm gonna runt that for now on or something similar

[hardy dust]

Stun is nice to use against other lights, since if you don't get the drop on them they're basically unkillable

Just don't use it against other melee players

[vale obsidian]

[fleet brook]

Is 12 meters noticeable as an engagement tool

Have I played the new patch admittedly no I'm asking as like a base question because stun gun has 18-17M doesn't it?

[restive marsh]

This game has some VERY long meters, so I’d say so. A range nerf sounds fair on paper!

[vale obsidian]

not enough balance change and all didn't address any pain point and the 2 exception being tk and hook do too little

[hardy dust]

holy shit actual patch notes

something is better than nothing i guess

[vale obsidian]

at least its something

https://tenor.com/view/fixed-understatement-gif-13752860

[hardy dust]

tk kill slower than in s1 now right?

[vale obsidian]

have to test

[hardy dust]

probably depends a bit on class and range

winch nerf is good but doesnt really fix any of the unfun problems with it

[vale obsidian]

it have the same breck point but kill a lil slower yes?

[hardy dust]

it should

dome shield getting nerfed while rpg gets away unscathed

[vale obsidian]

tk get a 20%-ish fire rate nerf

[hardy dust]

tk nerf doesnt really change the issues with it either

[restive plover]

Kneecapping the defensive capabilities but not pick potential, ggs embark.

[lament mason]

Wait why are we nerfing heavy again?

If anything light has been the most unfun to play against this season

[restive plover]

Winch got nerfed because it is absurd. Dome got nerfed because they refuse to touch rpg and charge.

[vale obsidian]

heavy kit need a rework burh
buff gun nerf gatgid

[restive plover]

Although winch is still absurd and a free kill if you land it, it's just short now.

[lament mason]

I'm curious what ya'll perspective of it is cuz as a heavy main I've felt the class has been the most fun to play and fight against for a while now

Light has had a problem in every game I've played across all gamemodes and classes to have the most unfun mechanics to go up against

[vale obsidian]

we talking how fun heavy is?

[lament mason]

The balance of it ya which is how fun and thoughtful it is to play and play against

[restive plover]

Dealing with heavies and their "win fight" buttons is miserable. You would feel it less because you have those same buttons.

[vale obsidian]

heavy balancing is very rough around the edges...

[wet musk]

Untill a light comes along with DMR and rinses you xD

[vale obsidian]

hit him with a fat 140 in the face first then its all good

[restive plover]

Or use defensive gadgets to deny the angle.

[lament mason]

Fair but have you considered not fighting a heavy with an rpg out on his terms? Even as other classes I've come to play around that specific gadget/ bait it out. I understand it probably needs a rework and it sucks that everything else has to suffer for the RPGs sins

I'm still salty after the Lewis nerf but I'm still getting beamed and plinked by lights

[wet musk]

RPG vs medium anti-explosive gadget ... Even then, you kill someone with RPG and they get instant rezed is the worst... Why I stopped using RPG as heavy

[vale obsidian]

@bright atlas nerf =/= useless lmao

although yeah it can be nerf in a way that isn't as unfun to use

[bright atlas]

true

[gusty fable]

What’s the reward for getting emerald

[hardy dust]

e4 is a sticker, e3 is m11, e2 is lewis and e1 is ak

[primal pivot]

I'm returning after a while is it me or some weapons feel different? AK feels like shoots faster LH1 isn't awful like how it was in the nerf time with dmg and fire rate etc etc. Are some stuff not mentioned in the patch notes?

revolver feels a bit quicker too

[vale obsidian]

there are many patches before this one ya know

[primal pivot]

oh I know I do check em weekly and test em time to time but like idk if I missed some or they sometimes don't include them in the notes anymore etc

[ashen hawk]

The patch is trash. Why are they nerfing every effing medium and heavy stuff to the ground??? wbu lights??? tk fire rate changes nothing. winch claw was perfect. nerfed. dome sheild is basically useless now. heavies barely have any weapon to play with anymore, and thats the reason why most heavies switched to winch sledge. and now yall complained abt it so much thats nerfed too. heavies and mediums continued to be nerfed. lights are still opressive ah.

[hardy dust]

Medium didn't get a nerf 😭

And light is already the weakest class

[vale obsidian]

nah light is strongest class

then heavy then medium

[hardy dust]

Only if you play against noobs

[vale obsidian]

fair, im still unrank bc idl playing wt and ta

[vale obsidian]

patch is bad i agree, but everything else is just wornge

[dusty gorge]

Best tip for dagger I’ve ever heard

[vale obsidian]

so fcking true lmao

[bitter surge]

???

[bronze spade]

dome shield didnt need a nerf, you can literally shoot it down

[hardy dust]

Dome wasn't an issue 😭

[bronze spade]

now light class takes no skill at all

[vale obsidian]

huh

[bronze spade]

i expected them to nerf winch but buff lmgs

not a one sided nerf to heavies

[bronze spade]

the dome shield was the only alright thing heavy had

[vale obsidian]

heavy kit really need a rework, embark just don't know how to balance them

revert everything to season one and change rpg to 70damage with 2 charge and nerf lmg damage
those should be a good starting point

[bronze spade]

who are they catering to?

[vale obsidian]

lil timmy

the one that die the same way 3 time in a row and didn't learn form it

[low bobcat]

Holy shit these patch notes are amazing

[bronze spade]

bait

at least they nerf tk ill give them that

[low bobcat]

All the changes were good things the community asked for

Except bubble

[pure pine]

Buff the bow it needs new iron sights

[vale obsidian]

bow don't have iron sight? 🤣

[pure pine]

It needs one

[vale obsidian]

yeah it do needd changes

[dusk pasture]

I was expecting an xp-54 nerf to it's range.

[vale obsidian]

expecting is not very healthy when embark on the wheel lol
i've been expecting rpg to be nerf to 70damage and 2 charge seens the start of season 2 and still nothing

@granite crescent would you think heal beam should get a -30% heal per second when the heal target get damage?

[granite crescent]

It would certainly be better than the current iteration. It just does way too much healing per second especially considering it's the only healing in the game (other than passive). The recent nerf to the uptime was good, but not enough

[ashen hawk]

things is, theyre just nerfing stuff without buffing the ones that need. like lewis or dual blades.

[vale obsidian]

this one i fully agree with

[ashen hawk]

th? medium was never supposed to tbh. i mean i get, defibs are annoying, but everything else is fine. lights like u noffense got the medium to the ground. cl40 and fcar. most reliable weapons nerfed to the ground. and now ur asking for more nerfs? lights need nerfs for gods sake. thnx for the lewis nerf lights

[boreal laurel]

RPG still exists fortunately

Enjoy it while you can my fellow heavies…

[bronze spade]

not for long..

im not even a heavy and tf is this change

[vale obsidian]

seeing how they didn't nerf it seens start off season 2 you might have it for ever

[vague fossil]

did they nerf cl40?

[vale obsidian]

nope https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1182539485787979886

[restive plover]

Damm they really said fuck the dome Sheild

Usually I just pop it as fast as possible with a few magnum shots, and a frag

[vague fossil]

i guess im just havbung a major skill issue

i need June announcing "a contestant from {team} is having a major skill issue scottie

[arctic fog]

W balance patch today

[torn mason]

Guys I just saw the dome shield nerf. Am I the only one that thinks it’s insane? They cut it in half

[vale obsidian]

yeah it never needed any changes

[torn mason]

It’s just such a dramatic change. Like they could have stopped at 9 seconds

[vital forge]

Yes I think that's the wrong way to get what they intend. They didn't want people using them to steal cashouts, but with such a short run time and a long cooldown I immediately put it in reserves.

[alpine iris]

All we had to do was just have someone spray a mag in it and it would be down right there

[swift cradle]

I haven't seen a good balance change since glitch traps got buffed.

The last few patches have made... negligible progress throughout the season. It's odd

[grim kite]

Why does Embark always think about weakening instead of properly enhancing the balance?

Make each weapon have its own strengths

Instead of the current situation where each one is weaker than the other and has no characteristics

Especially for the medium body, basically all weapons have been weakened.it's NOT FAIR

[viral geyser]

dome shield was fine why was it nerfed so hard its unuseable now?

[grim kite]

AND At least in China's XiaoHeiHe software, THE FINALS online players fell 5.5% in a month

A fucking 5% drop in one month.

This game will really die if it continues like this.

I also want my opinions to be taken seriously, I don't want this excellent game to die

[autumn mural]

Dev's, Why are we nerfing bubble shield?? At least give it a shorter cooldown if your going to gut it. If anything was to be touched on Heavy it was the RPG, not this.

You designed a class that specializes in defensive abilities, then strip there defensive options?

[viral geyser]

this, except tbh i think the rpg is fine

[grim kite]

me too

I think enough is enough for RPG to cause harm to itself

If an RPG hits you close to you, you will die immediately.

[cunning kettle]

so real, rpg and c&s are both just instant damage that the heavy can use

130 damage for free in a cqb fight is just bullshit

[vague monolith]

See like the only way I could see the 5.5 second dome shield time work is if deploying it was faster. Swapping, aiming, watching the grenade toss animation, then travel time was a fair amount of time for a longer shield, but now it's a useless action for almost as long as a useful action. If you really NEED the 5.5 seconds they should at least make the cool down shorter, or the deploy time faster. Or even put it on an RPG so it's pin point accurate with a faster projectile speed

[cunning kettle]

rpg + c&s just melts anyone thats the target of it

direct hit with that combo leaves a heavy at 270 hp, not to mention the fact that you can slam at the end of the charge to get extra damage

[vague monolith]

You know what else melts everything instantly. It rhymes with smite

[cunning kettle]

i will stand and die on the hill of charge n slam starting at low damage and increasing damage per hit

[cunning kettle]

🅱️ermite

[vague monolith]

So true

[dim onyx]

did rpg get nerfed yet

[jade violet]

nice spy(teamfortress2)

[tired lodge]

i think the fact that dome just got a more than half duration nerf and winch can still go through shields shows they have no idea how to balance especially when you can get rid of dome by shooting it for 2 seconds for 1 person or 1 second by 2 ppl

its not even enough time to throw down and then plant in terminal like what

indirect sniper buff cant defuse either

or 1 of the 4 lights on the enemy team can just throw a glitch and instant death for heavy pretty much lmao

[swift cradle]

This is a dubious change for sure lol

[tired lodge]

like i NEED a rational explanation

[vague monolith]

Honestly do you think they're trying to fuck up a bit more in season 3 so when season 4 gets an overhaul a mid season would seem great

[dim onyx]

wouldn't doubt it for a second, would explain content drought

[tired lodge]

like i want to like this game and i even got to top 500 in terminal attack but everything they keep doing seems dumber than the last so like why am i playing

[covert parcel]

yes

might be nexon tbh

[novel glen]

nerf the fucking glitch trap next week

either make it a glitch mine that works once, or remove the fact that you drop things when you hit it

its bizarre

barricades just became far more superior than dome shield now too like tf

[tired lodge]

^

where do i go to get them to actaully listen to something? do they really even look at game feedback?

theres a million ideas out there and i dont wanna be an asshole but like the balancing department for this game is like non existant

picking random complaints out of a hat

who complained about dome duration lmfao

[covert parcel]

HHM comp, lots of mitigation is really oppressive for its skill level,
specifically HHM third parties, just the sustain and mitigation (mesh + healbeam + winch-charge / 2 dome + defib), just roll in at the last 15 seconds to third party and steal at the very end, they double dome, mesh + heal, let the off-heavy steal

literally AFKing for 2/3 of the cashout to fight a weakened team at the very last second

[tired lodge]

i guess those people dont know how to use glitch grenades????

counters the whole thing

also random ones around the map

[covert parcel]

its the raw hp values that usually fuck over any team fight, lights are usually dead after a team fight cause of theuir hp, no light to counter said HHM

just a full hp, full util, turtle comps VS weaked HML or 2L + X comp, half/no util

tldr their sustain out values the dps / util from any comp

[tired lodge]

i think thats more a game design issue than the ability

[covert parcel]

yeah it is, you just gotta minimize it, buy making tanks a tank, not an oversized dps

ie heavy

overwatch had this same issue and embark hasnt learned

[tired lodge]

they could literally also just change it to you getting points over time instead of whoever touched it last

[covert parcel]

good change but how will casuals / new players be ableto adjust to it tho

[tired lodge]

its literally the same game just better design made for the players who can hold it longest

instead of finding the best last second cheese

i feel like this shit is just not hard to make playable

[covert parcel]

ngl KOTH Cashout could be it

1% each second-ish

just one cashout station, not box, 3v3 or 5v5, maybe 3v3v3

[tired lodge]

i dont even play the gamemode but can see its severly flawed as a ranked mode

[covert parcel]

oh yeah not as ranked, as a casual gamemode

cashout 3v3v3v3
quick cash 3v3
quick cash 5v5

literally the only gamemodes that are acceptable for ranked

no TA

[tired lodge]

i like TA 😂

[covert parcel]

i like TA but it just needs lanes or something, but never as a ranked mode

cashout my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-quick-cash-meme-gif-3233747610835690546

fuck

[icy sparrow]

@silent swallow We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad that’s sticks to enemies or walls. It’s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal Lol it’s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map

We need toxic flamable purple gas thrower(less damage)ability where gas stays for less long as normal on map for medium class but it also acts as gasoline and can be set on fire and burns on surfaces for longer

Chainsaw for heavy that does a downward swing like hammer also u can hold and chase to do continuous damage.

Add optics for bow and buff arrow velocity

Knife backstab is worse despite getting FIXED 😂 especially dashing from the side front at an angle,it was best in s1 no problem

Bro heavy spear is weird and rarely used,add a charged poke or jump and poke and remove the spinning bs.

Add a tactical axe where u do a downward thrust and do more damage the higher u fall (good with grapple hook)

Wall run and wall bounce for light ability

[tired lodge]

i think TA is mostly fine but needs no movement abillies from defense for the first like 10 seconds, and some other stuff but id prefer a ranked TA over cash gamemodes

[covert parcel]

yeah i think theyre trying to not have _ bans in it

[tired lodge]

doesnt need bans just disable extra movement till the other team cna get out of spawn

the fact that snipers can see spawn is wild asf

or just keep defense walls up an extra 5-10 seconds

so many easy ways to make the game more fair

[spark igloo]

ta is already defender sided enough without lanes

[spark igloo]

backstabs literally didnt work in s1?

[covert parcel]

attacker sided wdym

[spark igloo]

if you start on defending and lose more than 2 games you are actively losing

[covert parcel]

how are the maps defender sided tho

[spark igloo]

unavoidable sniper sightlines, huge open areas that you HAVE to cross, predictable spawns, spawns you can snipe people out of, lots of other shit

the gamemode is also just conceptually defender sided

[covert parcel]

yeah i get that, just make sniper projectile base and add barriers to make lanes

[spark igloo]

idk lanes just arent needed

[covert parcel]

run movement options tehn, its bad but its a fix

[spark igloo]

?

[polar cove]

Ah hell they nerfed my boy dome shield like crazy

[tired lodge]

pretty sure they pick random complaints out a hat and then nerf things based on that, no PS is probably not considered

[strange stream]

How necessary was the dome shield nerf?

[sly quartz]

it's not like dome shield has infinite health sounds to me like nobody at embark is a heavy main

[night idol]

Please undo Dome Shield nerf, it's not a mobile fortress at all, shit got popped in 5 seconds with sustained fire anyways

[restive plover]

Not at all. It makes heavy worse at something he should be good at(defensive play) while not addressing the insane burst and pick potential that makes people hate heavy.

[upper sinew]

(hypfire can be and is, situational)

[fading frost]

The hip fire in this game is on point

[upper sinew]

not on all ranges(close to mid range)

one way to not have the spray padern also (its just rmg spray but not that crazy, wy its usable)

[icy sparrow]

@agile willow u like my idea on tactical axe?

On suggestion thread?

[rain glacier]

so dome is useless now?

and winch has melee range wtf

[agile willow]

lemme read

[fading frost]

I mean it takes five seconds to steal a cash out and the dome shield last 5.5 so you can still steal with it 🤷‍♂️

[agile willow]

what do you think should be the damage

@sterile needle
i also agree with you in that melees are the weapons that struggle the most in the finals. in a gun game, without assistance, they will struggle, but too much assistance they become broken. the devs have a hard time balancing melee weapons and it will take time before they reach a good place.

i think the akm is perfectly balanced, the reason it seems powerful on paper is because it requires a high skill ceiling to use so the better the player, the better the output. but i have half the experience w 1887 as akm and i am able to do really, really well in a lobby full of diamond lights. likewise, with akm i struggle a lot against a lobby of 1887 players, who I know are not as good as I am mechanically.

[icy sparrow]

The tactical axe depends of how high u fall but the sword is mostly fixed as on downward slash while falling then one swing should kill a light but normally it’s 3 swings.

[icy sparrow]

Also help spread the idea

[agile willow]

one hit kill on falling but 50-75 damage normal is kinda uneven

[icy sparrow]

U talking about heavy sword or axe?

[agile willow]

sword

im assuming longer swing speed because of heaviness

[icy sparrow]

Yes

The main gimmick is falling for more damage and AMBUSH

[icy sparrow]

Imagine using jump pad with heavy sword.

Also it’s a charged downward slash u can use it on ground but more damage while falling

[agile willow]

true but then all you have is a one tap weapon with a long long cooldown on that effectiveness

[icy sparrow]

It’s a good weapon with no cool-down

[agile willow]

i love the idea of flying down out of nowhere to instakill someone but again, it needs to have some balance in other areas, as in in normal combat not just in selective situations, but then it could expand into overpoweredness because one tap weapon and good combat weapon

[night idol]

so is winch claw dogshit now with the range nerf?

Range nerf, damage nerf, gun nerf, dome shield nerf cmon' embark gimme something nice for once 😦

[agile willow]

i meant in conjunction with a jumppad, i know its not the only way to get height and speed, but other gadgets would be the only way to create that effectiveness, and that has a long cooldown

[icy sparrow]

It’s actually a double sword alternative with bullet defects
Plus heavy swings instead of spam like double

[sterile needle]

hallo my English is poor so I can't reply you fast.
I will try my best.

[agile willow]

thats fine
i can read chinese if you use traditional

[icy sparrow]

A wall run and jump ability would go well

[sterile needle]

真的?

[agile willow]

i agree w u in that i would love to see more movement tech, but not before they fix the current tech

[icy sparrow]

Like what?

[agile willow]

i dont have pinyin keyboard installed gimme a min before i respond

[agile willow]

faster ads speed, better sliding, fix mantling mechanics, change zipline to add to current momentum instead of slowing down/speeding up to match a specified zipline speed, bhopping

[fading frost]

Let’s see something like a pepper ball that disorients the center of there screen with a limited effect around there screen and center crosshair? 🤷‍♂️

[icy sparrow]

It’s meant to not be that way for balance but zip line should be faster ingeneral

[sterile needle]

Are you Taiwanese?

[agile willow]

hua ren

[sterile needle]

Cool

[icy sparrow]

Ads is pretty fast bro

[agile willow]

i mean that when i take a jumppad and jumpglide(idk what to call it its jumping right before you hit the ground to maintain momentum) i want to be able to maintain speed when i hit a zip

[agile willow]

sorry i meant ads walking speed, there is no counterstrafing

[sterile needle]

Just till in English.
I can practice my English at the same time, and it is English sub

[agile willow]

alr bet

[icy sparrow]

#👂┇game-feedback message read this

[fleet brook]

After testing it just kinda makes it worse at not killing players reinforcing me to kill players with it but it's worse at that

Losing like 1/3 of its range instead of changing anything else is stupid

Because if I manage to close the necessary distance free kill

They just made it more painful

But if I wanna do fun hooks on objectives I can't

[agile willow]

flare is like recon sense but heal disruptor, gas gadget is interesting, combined hammer and flamethrower characteristics for heavy, interesting stuff

[agile willow]

i dont play heavy, but i think it removes some of the "pulled completely out of position and insta killed with hammer" aspect for non heavies

[icy sparrow]

U don’t have wall hack with flare but a trail of sparks and a very bright player plus heal disrupt

[agile willow]

like sonar?

[fleet brook]

It also hurts it's objective potential

[icy sparrow]

U can’t see behind walls just a spark trail and damage

[agile willow]

true but to what extent, were you falling and hooking a cashout from 15m away to disrupt a steal? or was it just pulling a cashout off a platform or ledge to increase positioning

[fleet brook]

Basically

If I have to be close to an objective to pull it I'd rather run a Uber defensive build and just tank to get to the objective

[icy sparrow]

Lights already have dart

[agile willow]

spark trail like dash?

[fleet brook]

Grav cube + yoink after using sledge to destroy

[icy sparrow]

Something like that

[fleet brook]

Or relocating It after using sledge to make a hole

[agile willow]

does it not reach anymore?

[fleet brook]

Have to wait longer for the cash out to float up and by then most people shoot your grav cube + doesn't reach from the ceiling to ground on most buildings like casino

It's also just far worse at hooking

Main problem with melee Heavy is closing distance

Main problem with winch now is closing distance

[agile willow]

but theres also the aspect of, against players, it acts like a s2 stun gun, where players cant do anything until its too late

[icy sparrow]

I think light should have flare and give sonar to medium

[agile willow]

i agree, lights have so much utility but information finding should be given to medium

[fleet brook]

Basically if someone starts in a 12 m range of me I can win the fight no issues if they start outside the 12M and use there brain they get away everytime or I have to disengage

[icy sparrow]

Yes sonar

[agile willow]

i also think theres a high skill ceiling for melee positioning, instead of just hoping someone wanders into a 12m radius. it forces the heavy to play a close range game to outmaneuver their opponents

[fleet brook]

Thing is heavy can't really outmanauevr anyone with a brain and especially not lights

I've played since beta heavy is too slow to close distance on any intelligent individual unless it's a naturally close quarters map

[agile willow]

yea true, heavy v heavy is a tossup, heavy v medium is a guaranteed win, heavy v light is a guaranteed loss if light has dash

[agile willow]

i dont know if the game has a place for heavy close range weapons without winch, but winch removes so much counterplay

[fleet brook]

Melee heavy was a meme in earlier seasons but the lmgs were really good so it didn't really matter

Now the lmgs got nerfed into line and Melee kinda sucks

[agile willow]

the first time i played lewis in s2, it lasered, but idk about now

[fleet brook]

And spear trades the sledge's damage for range but not alot

And lewis has a decent amount of recoil

[agile willow]

honestly, i dont like the class system of the finals, where different classes have different hp and movement speed

its near impossible to balance

the devs should add an experimental mode, called lookalike or smth where everyone is the same class same loadout

and then they can see how it goes

[fleet brook]

Basically light is the only melee adept class and that's because they have 90000 gap closers

[sterile needle]

The biggest problem between you and me is that you think the M1887 is OP by it's huge damage and great spread make this weapon fight at close and mid range are no one can against.
I think the M1887 is balance is because it have low fault tolerance and poor in many situation ,it has a distinctive features to use.
You say the way to balance M1887 is nerf his damage of increase his spread.
I think it is melee so poor to make the M1887 so strange and even no risk to fight.

[fleet brook]

And a way to forcibly slow you completely

[sterile needle]

The class system is the base of balance.
Let all loadout have the same HP is impossible.

[agile willow]

base of balance? then why do all super competitive games have the same hp for everyone, because its super easy to balance weapon systems within themselves

[sterile needle]

thinking skill

[agile willow]

i was thinking more that if everyone had the same hp same weapons, then balancing would be much much easier, because it would be

[sterile needle]

How to balance the dash and goo gun with the same HP and the same move speed?
Weapon and skill is a set.
The same HP can't make anything better.

[agile willow]

i meant same loadouts, not just hp obviously

@honest willow say everything here because im not gonna keep track of edits

saying 1887 has the same range as an AK proves that you are spewing hot garbage. Yes, TECHNICALLY, an 1887 can HIT an opponent at the same range, but how effective is it? The 1887 does next to no dmg at the same long range of an AK. You are manipulating this fact to fit your argument and it's not even close to right.

okay range means the distance at which a weapon can hit something. if it can hit it, doesn't matter if it is a love tap, it can hit it. i'm not manipulating anything just using logic

[honest willow]

There's not much more to be said. Point is, you were claiming your opinion is factual bc you based it off "evidence" when all the evidence you really brought up was either 1) just an experience that you had and/or 2) something that factual, but does not take into account other variables.

Like I mentioned before, I don't even think you're absolutely wrong. I can see your POV. But to deny my OPINION and just say that yours is correct bc of that BS is dumb af

[agile willow]

"A good 1887 will not always "run" when encountering a player with a height advantage. Cover, movement, and finding better angles are also options."

this is taking my words literally to the letter,