💣┇weapons-gadgets

[tall hollow]

NERF THE TURRET FOR ONCE

[noble shadow]

i was wondering for the event “block 3500 damage” can i use the medium shield weapon?

also was tazer nerfed i don’t wanna look through the patch notes

[soft juniper]

TLDR: it hits the ground at 10m away from you

so yes nuke was nerfed but it can still work in a way but you need to be hell-a close

[burnt fossil]

Which is better fcar or akm

[foggy escarp]

fcar is technically better if you can reliably hit shots

Akm is more forgiving if you can’t

[tall hollow]

What is the strategy for using light because i always die instantly

My loadout right now is xp54, frag grenade, the invisible bomb thingy and stun gun

[foggy escarp]

As usual, your main objective with any character is to not die. Are you using sword or not?

Ok, so you need to make sure you are staying as safe as possible and you NEVER take even fights. You’re not a spartan or a demigod you are a child

[tall hollow]

So do i take highground a lot or no?

[foggy escarp]

Don’t even take fights against other lights. Only fight if you have an advantage

Usually yes. Especially with a weapon as accurate as the xp

[tall hollow]

Alright thanks

[foggy escarp]

After your team kills a couple of people, it’s usually your job to look for the last member and assassinate him for the team wipe

[tall hollow]

What about medium and heavy whats the strat for it?

[foggy escarp]

Those two classes are much simpler. It’s generally just stay alive and do damage where you can

[tall hollow]

Alright

[foggy escarp]

Wether you choose to do it with a turret or wall hacks is up to you, just use what you’re comfortable with. There aren’t many bad strats

Medibeam’s also good obviously

[stone rampart]

you can kill people with defibs apparently
this is new information for me

[foggy escarp]

Yup. I found out the hard way

[empty dagger]

Health care assassination

[frozen mortar]

i killed one with the defib thinking it was gonna give me one of the hidden archivements

it didnt, im mad

[foggy escarp]

Does anyone know how much damage a defib actually does?

[frozen mortar]

50 damage*

[foggy escarp]

So you’re telling me it’s better than a quick melee…

[frozen mortar]

litteraly

[tall hollow]

How do you kill people with it

Could be useful to me one day when i wanna clip some kid

[foggy escarp]

Essentially try to revive your opponent

[frozen mortar]

yeah, but make sure its the killing blow, since it uses up the defib so you can only get 1 hit

[stone rampart]

fr

[soft juniper]

Ok fr when your whole team is dead can your flying camera have no-clip please

[coarse ravine]

when i first started i thought that that was the point 💀 i thought it was like the stun gun that did damage

[tropic hearth]

anyone have that TTK chart that's been getting posted

[blissful lake]

I mean I would if you're still on, not sure how good I am comparatively though

[iron token]

yep, i found it in the Tutorial

[molten epoch]

they did nerf the health from 300 to 280

[slim linden]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19qVTE-FA3e__9sNpD5jLxNN_UgvdzcRjORXBkrP5yaQ/edit?usp=sharing

in pins also

[neon haven]

The should add a light gadget: the itemizer. Briefly turn into a statue for a few seconds. This is a last second temporary invulnerability. Also allows teammates to throw you to far places

[carmine rain]

can ppl see or hear the guitar skin inspect on sledge hammer ?
like teammates or enemies nearby

[sonic garnet]

yep

[silk tundra]

What are some good weapons to use? My aim is trash so so far I've been playing Sword + Cloak Light and Grenade Launcher + Turret Medium

[indigo burrow]

If ur aim is ass then get good with a goo gun/ flamethrower combo

[junior salmon]

Flamethrower

[ruby cliff]

Hammer users are evil

[wind folio]

A skin on the flamethrower that looks like an aquarium with fish in the gas tank , that would be so cool

[distant hawk]

👍

[slim linden]

Nao's THE FINALS Spreadsheet

• Damage test values and info for every weapon from every class
• Adding spray patterns for each weapon very soon
• Damage test values and info for every specializations from every class
• Damage test values and info for every gadget from every class
• Much more in the future, have a look and request what you want added

-> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19qVTE-FA3e__9sNpD5jLxNN_UgvdzcRjORXBkrP5yaQ/edit?usp=sharing

[maiden umbra]

The throwing knives and the dagger should be 1 weapon

[sick quarry]

Whats the strat where im constantly detected? seems to be someone throwing a motion sensor on a heavy?

[wet ether]

if its recon, you know they are within 30 meters, so either run until the pop-up goes away, or go full "im not trapped in here with you, youre trapped in here with me" and find em

if its sonar nades, you can see their radius pulse and they dont last too long

[sick quarry]

yeah i get the mechanics of it. It's more what are they do specifically to have someone running around with a constant ping going

[tropic hearth]

healing grenades for Light

helps them be less squishy and gives them more team support capability

too bad such an addition would likely become one of those "mandatory" gadgets that has to be in literally every loadout

[restive plover]

Like ana in ow🤔

[tropic hearth]

yeah I guess

two main complaints I see for Light

1. They're super squishy and can't take a hit, often dying before they can even retreat back to a Medium with healing beam

2. They're built almost 100% to be the DPS glass cannon skirmisher so they lack all but 1 or 2 team support utlities. Except every other class can kill stuff too so being a "DPS" isn't much of a selling point when Medium and Heavy can also use shields, heal, etc

[ocean lava]

The only viable one being that of them dying most times before retreating but that’s usually up to teammates reviving in bad areas or just bad timing

[soft juniper]

Makes me wish healbeam and defib where one in the same so you could revive your team mate at a distance it’s a slightly faster revive not instant and they will still come back full hp

[tropic hearth]

there needs to be an inherent risk with defib
otherwise it's way too strong

defib was absolutely 150% mandatory in every medium build when it gave 1.5s of invulernability
now it's much riskier and requires the medium to actually THINK before defibbing someone otherwise all they're doing is resetting their teammates respawn cooldown

[soft juniper]

I honestly hate getting defib respawned since it’s almost anyways I’m the thick of battle and my gun needs to be roloaded

It’s why I main Melee most of the time since I don’t have to reload my sword

[tropic hearth]

exactly

if you want to defib a teammate you have to grab their trophy first and get them to safety otherwise you're just wasting time

as it should be

[rose scarab]

what gadgets should I buy next???

[tropic hearth]

the funny ones

[soft juniper]

The one you don’t own yet

[rose scarab]

I barely bought any of them, I only bought vanish bomb and gas mine/grenade

[tropic hearth]

buy bubble shield for heavy

[alpine pebble]

What is u guys' best medium loudout

[tropic hearth]

for me

healing beam
revolver
jump pad
zipline
sonar grenade

but that ain't "meta" if that's what you're looking for

[alpine pebble]

Thanks I'll try it

[ocean lava]

For my light it’s

LH1
Smokes
Glitch grenade
C4
And dash for my ability

[rose scarab]

Already did

[tropic hearth]

then unlock C4

[ocean lava]

It mostly good for taking cash outs and disappearing without sacrificing movement plush the glitch are nice for mine heavy teams and turrets plus the C4 for breaching from below to scramble enemy defenses and the dash well to dash to area usually hard to get to like floating platforms and the LH1 just Shreads light and mediums

[rose scarab]

My sniper build is sniper rifle grapple vanish bomb goo and breach

[rose scarab]

Good idea

[tropic hearth]

for light gadgets

vanish is really good and goes in basically every build
stun gun is meta as hell
frag grenades are great
glitch grenades have huge potential for shutting down an organized team

[ocean lava]

Not bad but I’ve found the sniper hard to use lately

I use glitch for heavy’s mostly

Just makes them useless at times that or mediums

[tropic hearth]

yep
the area of effect makes them kind of hard to use sometimes

[rose scarab]

I want stun gun and maybe glitch green

[ocean lava]

Stuns just kill any push or steals

[rose scarab]

Does glitch break shield????

[rose scarab]

Isn’t stun good for ambush? Like invis then stun shotgun

[ocean lava]

Yes and disableds them for a good minute

[tropic hearth]

stun gun = free kills

but DO NOT try to give your opponent a kiss
you want to stun them and be as far away as possible so they cant hit you with hipfire

a common mistake is giving someone the ol' taser and then trying to french em'

[ocean lava]

Not really most times

[rose scarab]

Makes sense that happens a lot I’ll hipfire a fellow light because melee range and Xperia-54

[ocean lava]

Just don’t think you can solo a heavy unless running Double Barrel

[rose scarab]

So true db shotgun is lit

I have good aim but I screw up my reload timing

[ocean lava]

Is it me or is gas really spammed a lot

[tropic hearth]

gas is absolutely spammed a lot

which is why having a source of fire can be very useful

running pyro grenades isn't the STRONGEST option for gadgets, but it's great for clearing gas

[ocean lava]

I think it should be changed a bit to higher damage the more time in the gas but less time the gas is around

[tropic hearth]

honestly thinking of dropping one of my movement tools on medium so I can run pyros

lol gas already does craaaaazy damage
like good lord it kills quick for a DoT effect

and it lingers for 15s on top of that

[ocean lava]

For 5 tick a second it feels like 20

[alpine pebble]

Why does the lh1 have SO MUCH RECOIL??? I really needs to be buffed

[ocean lava]

I KEEP SAYING THE THINg KICKS LIKE A DAMN MULE

[tropic hearth]

the recoil is the only thing holding back that beast
and the terrible irons

[solar igloo]

but it shreds tho

[tropic hearth]

exactly

[ocean lava]

The irons are okay at most unlike the uzi holy shit its ass

But sometimes it feels like some of my shots don’t even hit with it at times or is that just me

[solar igloo]

the m11 or lh1?

[ocean lava]

LH1

[frozen lantern]

I hated flamethrower heavys and they are everywhere WHY WHY PUT AN AOE GUN INTO A SHOOTER 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

[solar igloo]

i mean maybe try pacing your shots a bit? more often than not i see people try spamming it at mid range when they cant even control the recoil

[tropic hearth]

just run away from the flamethrower

[ocean lava]

Fun fact smoke nades actually reduce range on the flamethrower and cause no lingering burn from what have gathered

[solar igloo]

^ flamethrower is so easy to counter

[frozen lantern]

They are usually camping in a building and beat my ass inside and out

[ocean lava]

Fair point I tend to spam a lot on heavy’s and mostly go for head shots

[solar igloo]

understandable if i see a big boy im mashing left click lmao

[ocean lava]

I go devil trigger on them lard asses

[shy badge]

Does tweaking your deadlines like linear aim help with vertical recoil? Anyone try this

[ocean lava]

Yes and no

[shy badge]

Dead zones*

[ocean lava]

I don’t know much on that topic

[shy badge]

Has anyone found the direction of the recoil patterns with certain weapons?

[gray skiff]

you see, i think the thermal vision would be better if it was not as dark when using it, makes it really hard to see anything like gas

[ocean lava]

Which one

[shy badge]

I come from apex so that's a big thing I try to take into consideration

[rose scarab]

Gas is good for shutting a cash out

[shy badge]

Mcar is the one I want to know most

[ocean lava]

Well think of the r 301 it’s basically very similar but it’s basically the same stats as the AK with less kick and more range plus the only few guns with sights

[ocean lava]

People do tend to forget that you can steal in gas because the heal beam matches the damage the gas dose you can cancel out the damage

[rose scarab]

If you have a healer

[shy badge]

Pyro shuts gas down

[ocean lava]

And smoke nades kill fire which is good at limiting flamers

[shy badge]

I didn't know smokes did that

[ocean lava]

I think it should be more of what you see with the recon as some of the people don’t even show up on the damn thing

[rose scarab]

Rock paper scissors grenade war

[ocean lava]

Basically but if you need clarification here this

Fire kills gas
Smoke kills fire
Nothing from what I know can take out smoke but I heard flashes might do something but I don’t know

[wind folio]

gas kills smoke

[hollow pendant]

fire kills gas

[ancient magnet]

Okay as a medium build, what’s the peak load out in you guys’ opinion

[rose scarab]

depends do you want healing, defensive etc

[ancient magnet]

Defensive

I never remember to heal but somehow remember to be defensive lol @rose scarab

[tropic hearth]

do you want to pubstomp and just turn your brain off

support your team

or just own an area

[rose scarab]

gas mine, turrent APS etc

[ancient magnet]

Support the team for sure @tropic hearth

[tropic hearth]

heal beam 100% then

defib, but please use your brain when choosing when to defib

FCAR or AKM
nothing else comes close to the consistency
basically down to preference though FCAR is better if you can aim

some form of gas to deny cashouts so either grenades or mines

one of the movement tools, though I think jump pad is more versatile

[hollow pendant]

ban all stun gun users

[tropic hearth]

one of the upsides of the shotgun is that it has the same accuracy regardless of ADS or hipfire

so just look at the light and shoot em

[hollow pendant]

no ban them

[rose scarab]

just call them SOmbras

[ancient magnet]

Agreed no worries lol I CANT wait the stun and the flames

[rose scarab]

FCAR is the goat, AIm isnt too hard, the lower clip is

[tropic hearth]

a larger mag is just room for mistakes without being punished

a smaller mag requires better aim
simple as

not that they have long reloads or anythingt

TBH the should probably nerf bot hthe FCAR and AKM's reloads by like .5 seconds

[rose scarab]

true, I usually die with the FCAR due to being double teamed

[frosty pike]

1 suggestive setup for each special

[rose scarab]

the reload can be ugh in a pinch

[tropic hearth]

FCAR should be way less reliable in close quarters compared to how it is now

it dominates at long range, but doesnt ever get very weak even at smooching distance

one way to do that is nerf the reload speed

another is nerf the RoF

[sonic heron]

Dagger should not one shot but instead each right click does 200 or something. The a backstab would apply a blackout effect on enemies and slow their movement speed while preventing specials.
Plus be able to hold right click on dagger.
Left click should be made faster.

Spitballing ideas for dagger what do you all think?

[tropic hearth]

dagger needs to be fixed first is what it needs

[frosty pike]

remove light class✅

[rose scarab]

yeah it sucks up close but beaming people at mid range is ez

[sonic heron]

I suggested a rework where FCAR becomes a sweetspot weapon. Close range it does pitiful damage. Sweespot hits super hard and it is further away. Past that and it starts falling off.
That way AK and FCAR don't compete.

[rose scarab]

I would rather be one shot than be stunlocked awaiting death

[frosty pike]

crouched hipfire on FCAR is great, often not optimal but works

[tropic hearth]

nobody can claim to have an accurate idea of how dagger is actually performing because everything is so buggy

you go for a backstab on a stationary target and dont get the backstab damage

[digital saddle]

*pulling out level 6 stun gun with "we love you" valentines sticker *

[rose scarab]

I think the hipfire is bad

[sonic heron]

You would be able to move and shoot during the blackout though. Just briefly cannot see.

[ocean lava]

I don’t want another battlefield 1 situation

[rose scarab]

so the knife.... is a flashbang

[sonic heron]

What happened in bf1?

[ocean lava]

The back stab dosent register and the normals stab it fine

[sonic heron]

Yeah. It would stop cashouts maybe? Would just have a unique affect applied.

[ocean lava]

A lot of the weapons had a sweet spot mechanic that basically made it where some weapons were ass a certain rages but at the sweet spot they either one tapped you or significantly hurt you mainly with snipers but also anything with a scope

[rose scarab]

you mean as a interrupt???

[sonic heron]

What was wrong with that?

[sonic heron]

Yep like stun in that sense but without the stun. And the blackout blink would be much faster than a flashbang. Or maybe just a fade of the screen where you can still see.

[ocean lava]

It made some weapons overpowered like the martini Henry but mostly the issue comes from how small the maps are as it wouldn’t even work properly as battlefield has the size to make it work well

Plus it would mean a whole rework across the board of weapon changes

[rose scarab]

what about a disarm intnerupt where they could drop whatever is held

[sonic heron]

Yeah that would work too. Maybe all of the above.
I just think if dagger ever gets fixed, casuals will find it unfun. But having backstabs you can react to while still disadvantaging you would be great. And making dagger more consistent without requiring backstabs.

[rose scarab]

interesting

[ancient magnet]

yeah im reading all of this just taking it in lol

[sonic heron]

Why would it change all weapons across the board?
Unless you mean coding in the mechanic which might be challenging depending on how the code is setup.

[ocean lava]

That’s basically what I was referring to

[sonic heron]

Back to this point. I think that game is giving you the wrong impression.
The fcar would not one shot and more or less beam the same way it does now.
It would just have really bad damage up close instead of also being strong enough up close like it is now.

I am curious how they coded the hit detection in this game now. There is distance detection already that changes damage. This mechanic would just be a slightly modified version of that.

[steady robin]

👍

[tropic hearth]

I just hate that the meta is just CoD
all these cool things to pick from like throwing knives and sledgehammers

but at the end of the day all you're gonna see people use are SMGs, ARs, and LMGs (or really just the Lewis Gun since nobody uses the M60)

the full auto hitscan weapons should be easier to use, but have lower potential max damage compared to the more interesting stuff

[sonic heron]

100% agree. The meta is really boring right now. Only nukes take advantage of how the game works and they are broken levels of OP and unfun for victims.

[tropic hearth]

one way to make melee more viable is to nerf all backpedal speed while firing your weapon

if you're just holding down the trigger you shouldn't be able to outrun a sledge heavy while still shooting him

[sonic heron]

Even mesh shield is a more meta weapon and it is less interesting than the other two heavy specials.

[tropic hearth]

goo needs QoL improvmenets and then it'll be fine

[sonic heron]

Another 100% agree. All melees should be able to full run while swinging. Better for newcomers too.
Only something with a slow but near instant kill like a chainsaw should slow down.

[tropic hearth]

remove any spread on the goo gun
even when jumping or moving it should always have 100% perfect accuracy
and shrink the size of the projectile before it hits a surface so it doesnt get stuck on unintended geometry so often

[ocean lava]

Real

[sullen tree]

they need to buff dagger, and other fun ways to play the classes. Add in some goofy abilities and powers that make use of the physics engine

[sonic heron]

Gravity Gun when?

[sullen tree]

I was literally gonna suggest a gravity nade for medium, lol

that way you can lift up the rubble from buildings and get to the cashout easier/remove cover and hiding spots

[sonic heron]

This game would be a lot of fun with half life 2 gravity gun. Imagine shooting around broken walls with the left click? And turbo launching barrels with right click then left click.

[sullen tree]

that'd be fun

it would have to be on medium, to avoid nukes. I think a "superspeed" specalization for light would also be cool

[sonic heron]

Replace current recon with gravity gun. Then make an actually interesting info gathering tool for medium

[sullen tree]

lol, absolutely

[sonic heron]

medium becomes heavies demolition support with gravity gun lol

[ancient magnet]

im trying to blow through this battle pass so i can equipt myself properly but the team makes or breaks it lol

[sonic heron]

Imagine sledgehammer knocking down a large chunk of floor. Than medium gravity gun launches the floor at the enemies to provide mobile cover.

[pliant creek]

The heavy grenade launcher needs an airburst alt fire for close range. Would be really fun for the gun to be viable.

[clever meteor]

been liking the medium grenade launcher

[tropic hearth]

they'd never do it but I would love an Indiana Jones style whip

• can use it like a really short range grapple hook except the length of the line never contracts so it lets you swing instead of pulling you
• can use it to pull arena carryables to you from a distance

[sonic heron]

Which class would have it?

[tropic hearth]

medium

they alredy have cowboy guns

let me lean further into being Will Rogers

[ancient magnet]

lmao

[tropic hearth]

bull whip specialization
stick of dynamite with a long fuse but high damage
pocket sand that instantly creates a cloud of dust in front of you

[ancient magnet]

guys

the fcar

[tropic hearth]

is what?

busted as hell?

[inland breach]

YESSIRRRR with the nerfs to Nukes and the fact that no major pain points on Mediums were nerfed, we will have a triple Medium meta and they will all run FCARs 😎😎

[tropic hearth]

they nerfed defib to a point I no longer consider it aboslutely mandatory

[inland breach]

Its not “mandatory” unless you’re playing ranked, really. The amount of flak my teammates give me as soon as they see l’m not running defib in Bank It is absurd

[ancient magnet]

shredding

went from 4 elims a game to 7

[tropic hearth]

running defib without running healing beam is just a bad idea given how little invulnerability it grants now

I think the charge up time on the defib should be slightly increased

like the time it takes to rub the defibs together before you can revive someone

[misty axle]

I decided to make this.
Do with it what you will.
It's, like, 90% to scale, but not pixel perfect.

[brave nest]

It’s so bad rn like I get defibd and within .5 seconds before I can even react I die

[misty axle]

Also, based take, actual free thinker right here. (Serious)

[tropic hearth]

exactly

as it should be

reviving someone shouldn't be a free action with no consideration of the situation

[misty axle]

Not to mention that the enemy killing them again only gives them another $200 in tourney modes and resets that teammate's self-revive timer.

[tropic hearth]

damn Im mostly a quickplay baby

I didnt even think about that

[misty axle]

#lfg-eu-ranked #lfg-na-ranked #lfg-asia-ranked #lfg-oce-ranked #lfg-sa-ranked

[solar igloo]

legit have had teammates defib me in the middle of a gun fight then get mad at me for getting killed

[smoky juniper]

Any one need quick player

[misty axle]

Honestly, the issue here is just that people are brainlets when they have defib in their hands.

[misty axle]

Use a dedicated LFG channel.

[solar igloo]

yea they forget they can just yanno move me to somewhere safer

[tropic hearth]

"haha look at my teammates they have more deaths than me"

bro defibbing in a fight has to the be the #1 way to a grief a teammate
you increase their death count on the scoreboard
and reset their revvie timer

toxic as hell

[misty axle]

Or even wait to rez when it's not a critical fight to take (Light opening vaults) so the enemies walk away.

[misty axle]

Not to mention handing over $200 to the enemy in tourney modes or $1000 in Bank It.

[soft juniper]

Honestly when it does come to defibing a teammate in mid battle it’s really only ever good to do that to a heavy if they have Mesh shield so they can bring it up and get fully healed if the Medium has Heals other then that move use first then defib

[tropic hearth]

true

being able to instantly put up shield makes it work

everyone else though
yeah not a good idea

[soft juniper]

I mean I would argue the goo gun being kinda ok in that situation but it really depends on the aim of the player

[tropic hearth]

also they should probably adjust the % health for each class on a defib

it being a flat 40% is kinda off

heavy revvies with enough health to at least make a decision
where a light has so little health I can body shot them with the revolver and instantly put them down again, even at range

[soft juniper]

Ok this might be a bad idea but maybe light should be the only class when defibed comes back with full hp or even just 80%

[tropic hearth]

that or make defib health a flat amount for everyone instead of a % of total HP

[soft juniper]

Yeah

[tropic hearth]

OK right now

Light gets 60 HP
Medium gets 100 HP
Heavy gets 140 HP

I think Heavy can stay where they are but moving Light up to 100, and Medium to like 120 or something would be a bit better

it's mostly Light that needs the love though

[frosty pike]

Lights best friend upon defib

[soft juniper]

If you have no dashes when you die you come back with no dashes

[frosty pike]

Then either one must manage them better, or the defib needs to happen at a safer location/distract enemies with another teammate

[tropic hearth]

running out of dashes is usually what leads to death to begin with

[frosty pike]

that, and not playing safe enough. lights not meant to endure a fight in the first place, more important to dash out than dish out a kill and trade yourself

[tropic hearth]

more likely to die with zero charges than not

[ancient magnet]

i need a team lol this is my conclusion

[tropic hearth]

you can just play around safer regular revives instead

I dont even run defib and that's what I opt for
grab the trophy and haul ass
once it's safe Ill rez

[soft juniper]

It how I play light but some times a fight drags on longer then intended or third party happens

Also they should make a Duos game mode

[tropic hearth]

duos like teams of 2 or duos like only 2 teams?

[minor rune]

Hey guys what about this idea about Season 2 Shooting Range Idea?

Add dummies that we can custom (change to light, medium or heavy) and put beside a custom healing beam turret (chamge to 1x of heal, 2x heal or 3x of heal) to know how effective or the amount of damage you need to kill a opponent while being pocket healed

[tropic hearth]

that would be great

[soft juniper]

Teams of 2

[frozen lantern]

M11 and flamethrower should be nerfed however flamethrower shouldnt be in this type of game

[twin berry]

please with the AK skins already lol its getting to be a lil silly...i just want one dope FCAR skin...PLEASE

[frosty pike]

this is the exact type of game that should have a flamethrower🔥

[frozen lantern]

It really isn't

[languid geode]

MAKE C4 HAVE 3

[sonic heron]

How can anyone think current Flamethrower needs nerfed lol. Has to be a w key player that can't stop running straight at them.
It is a fun weapon that introduces a different skillset as a weapon.
I love it, like fighting it and don't even use it outside the meme Pyromaniac build.

[frosty pike]

how is it not? a chaotic gameshow filled with explosions, flames, toxic gas and wild combat for cash. At what point is a flamethrower too much. this ain't no cod type game.

[frozen lantern]

Yeah it's fun but in cash out when cash out is in a house close quarters is the only option

[hoary quest]

Im sorry but akiba step/facestabs might actually be the most gimmicky thing ever i cant see it have more value than to just use cloaking device and go behind people

[soft juniper]

M11 I agree needs a slight tweek but Flamethrower is a Gimmick weapon it’s only good in close range so just keep your distance + it can only damage you so quickly

[bleak drum]

Flame thrower needs a buff if they are taking away our nukes for range

[sand plank]

M11 was terrible and just got a slight buff, it aint happening

[ocean lava]

I think a nice pump action shotgun would be a good gun

Also quick question do dashes give you i frames or no

[lethal viper]

best

[shadow onyx]

Has the turret on wrecking ball glitch been fixed

I remember you could make it turn into a babelade and go crazy by putting stuff on it

[faint solstice]

anyone else feel a weird cooldown when using sniper? like the cocking animation is done, i’ve had it out for a few seconds, i’m ads’ing and there’s still a delay when firing, making me mistime

[tropic hearth]

Recon Senses as it currently exists should be removed from the game entirely

a wall hack mechanic can work, but the victim has to be able to at least tell the general direction of the source of where they're being scanned from

the sonar grenades are fine since you can see their area of effect
the recon dart is fine because you have to actually have LOS on a person and hit them for it to do anything

but Recon Senses is free, and gives the victim ZERO indication of where they're being scanned from
all they can do is hope they don't accidently cross the vision of the person scanning them

[sonic heron]

Unironically a real nuke nerf would harm the short range non shotgun weapons way more than anything else.

[rustic vessel]

OHHHHHHHHHHH EQUIPE ESPORT JE SUIS LA

[sonic heron]

I want Recon Senses to be turned into recon drone. The drone cannot fly forever and has lowish health. Anything in los is detected by the drone and shown to the whole team. You can send it in a straight line where it flies until it hits a wall and drops. Or right click to pilot it yourself.
Would be a fun way of info gathering I think.

[rustic vessel]

VIVE FLORIANE

[soft juniper]

Agree besides I found a flamethrower build that is pretty destructive but I’m keeping it to myself until people start catching on

[jade lava]

throwing knives need +100 damage

[inland breach]

Charge n Slam, Goo Grenade, Mines and RPG 🔥🔥

[soft juniper]

Nah nah nah better

[inland breach]

He’s cookin, l can smell it

[soft juniper]

I’m staying shhh I don’t want people to catch on until I hit them with it

[inland breach]

I can’t believe he dm’d me his loadout this is insane how has the community not caught on this?? I JUST dropped a 20 elim game with

[soft juniper]

Lol

I will give one hint RPG is not on this build nor is it in the reserve

[sonic heron]

Is all fire with something else over rpg?

[boreal laurel]

I’d totally upvote this. The other idea would be a radar gun of sorts—like a clone of the heartbeat sensor from OG Rainbow Six.

[soft juniper]

There is a method to my madness

[burnt gyro]

defib is broken enough already

[burnt gyro]

have you ever used a lewis gud get good recoil controll and beam kid from a mile away

[golden adder]

Defib should replace recon. Everyone wins

[crystal ether]

just make cooldown on defib longer

[golden adder]

The cooldown has nothing to do with why the gadget is so strong but it doesnt help things either.

[burnt gyro]

i need to know

[burnt gyro]

when resed with defib no gagets for 30s or any time that would be balanced i thnk

[soft juniper]

You may get another hint and this is a big one 'This type of build exists on another"

[burnt gyro]

3 mines ?

[soft juniper]

there are only 2 a heavy can have but I will say your not far off

[burnt gyro]

i have no clue

[soft juniper]

you got plenty of hints the build does not use RPG and the build exits on another

[burnt gyro]

thank you any way i wil cotinue to contemplate

[soft juniper]

but dont forget your weapon is Flamethrower

[burnt gyro]

flame goo gun

[burnt gyro]

pyro mine explosive mine barricade

[soft juniper]

those are all option that can happen in the build but you dont have to take 2 mines one set is more then enough

[burnt gyro]

flamethrower, dome, barricades, pyromine, mesh

[soft juniper]

if you think thats it give it a try but the really question is do you play it right

[ocean lava]

To be honest I don’t think the damn thing works cause I don’t know what counts as being spotted and other people don’t even get highlighted for me

[tight hinge]

Yeah

[crystal ether]

id like to report a bug

[hollow ruin]

.

[boreal laurel]

I use this but with RPG instead of barricades

[misty axle]

Don't hold your [fire button].

[misty axle]

There is a sound cue when they turn it on (like cloak has a sound), but I still think turning it into charges (like dash) of "Sonar" Senses would be much better.

[bold ermine]

seems like the nukes arent hitting like they were

[misty axle]

They got nerfed:
The previously bugged damage that did 50% more is gone
And red canisters now slow down with C4 weight.

[slim linden]

Nao's THE FINALS Spreadsheet

• Damage test values and info for every weapon from every class
• Damage test values and info for every specializations from every class
• Damage test values and info for every gadget from every class
• Game Show Events info
• Movement Tech list and videos
• Pretty looking charts
• Much more in the future, have a look and request what you want added

-> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19qVTE-FA3e__9sNpD5jLxNN_UgvdzcRjORXBkrP5yaQ/edit?usp=sharing

[sonic heron]

@slim linden Is surprise attack melees counted as a part of ttks? I know right click with hammer while opponents are not looking gives you a much quicker ttk from the victim's pov

[slim linden]

yeah

[sonic heron]

I did not see it. What is counted in the ttk? If I started a swing while the victim was watching, they will see a longer ttk. But if they do not see the first attack then they only see the ttk of left click -> melee.

[rose scarab]

I got the V9S

[misty axle]

TTK shouldn't apply with delay like that.
In another game, if an RPG has travel time, that isn't added to the TTK because of the variability.

[rose scarab]

I need to get the L H 1 next

[native schooner]

they need to add different sights and u can rankup to unlock them

similar to cod i would fw that or even unlockable camos based off of maybe headshots or kills without dying stuff like that

new insight to playing and unlocking skins :p

[fervent moon]

not a bad idea at all, tho i feel like certan guns would benifit significatly more from this than others.

[native schooner]

yh true

[fervent moon]

i'd love a red dot for the akm, not that i even use it, but i cannot forsee every putting a sight on the 1887, it just feels nice without it

I think the best thing they could do before that is allow for more variation in crosshairs, as the default one is nice, probably one of the better default crosshairs out there since its very dynamic, but some weapons would probably function more smoothly with different crosshair types, or custom imported ones for personal comfort.

[native schooner]

even different crosshairs based off of level

something like that u upgrade crosshair as u level up

there just needs to be more unlockable variations for skins - weapons and playable characters

[fervent moon]

yeah

once you unlock everything thats kind the end of it no? no real point to receiving any more VR's for the rest of your time playing the game, until they add new content that is. the XP for free tier based weapon skins is nice and all, but after buying that 1887 skin where its like the classic remington 1887 lever action, the change in appearance and animation greatly improve/ alter the experience of using it. more personal modifications should probably be a goal for later progression, as i've been playing for like a month and I all ready have almost every weapon and several of the higher tier color variants. within a few more months, basically everyone will have most of the free content unlocked, and more of the same will probably feel stale.

[tight whale]

we need to interrogate whoever thought it was a good idea to give medium a grenade launcher because they obviously were a medium main
pretty much infinite range, no real falloff, high damage, and the only downside being its slow reload to full which is irrelevant since you load a round in at around the same speed you fire one
4 rounds kill a medium, even less to kill a light and because of your unlimited range as well as your projectile making a lot of distracting VFX you can effectively just run up to someone (that isn't a heavy) and just spam mouse 1
and if you don't want to lower survivability by rushing someone down, you can just use the alternate option of staying away from everyone and roleplaying as an artillery cannon, bombing people from 500 feet away with nothing you can do about it except run into a building
it's even worse that people repeatedly said that medium has far too many weapons and gadgets in their arsenal and instead of listening to this they add even more powerful items to his kit

[stone rampart]

mb misinput

[tight whale]

tldr: cl-40 stupid
@stone rampart

[boreal laurel]

I just wish it wasn’t a hard counter to every type of shield that exists. I like the idea of a medium GL but yeah it has some issues.

[golden inlet]

leveling up

[restive plover]

I think what would be better for the 1887 is prioritizing attachments such as a sawn off stock/barrel instead of tactical doodads and ruining a classic shotgun

[golden inlet]

akm or fcar?

[soft juniper]

Look in pins

[faint solstice]

yup, cuz that delays the cocking animation, like i said i wasn’t doing

[long reef]

i disagree, locked to having only 1 type of sight makes each weapon have more uniqueness, this can also be used as factor for balancing weapons

i find leveling up weapons and gears in competitive games very lame, if someone has spent more time not only they have experience advantage but you also want to give them extra advantage?

[frozen lantern]

I kinda wish heavy had Zipline instead of medium

[tough thistle]

does anybody have tips for using the model 1887?

[misty axle]

Never ADS (unless on controller, I heard it gets a bit of snap-on)
Always be moving (your spread never suffers from ANYTHING)
The spread is tighter thant he crosshair suggests, ignore the line and focus on the dot, imagine you're shooting slugs.
If you're caught right when you started the reload, swap off and back on to the gun to cancel the reload animation (can't normally shoot until the ammo goes up/insert a new round)

[tough thistle]

thanks, that's good advise - i'll try to keep this in mind - do you think lowering sensitivity helps for the hipfire?

[misty axle]

Sens is a personal thing that's different per person (and their setup on mouse).

I'm not known for my aim (quite the contrary!), But I suggest to use the lowest sens you feel comfortable with to minimize human error while still allowing you to 180° comfortably.

I don't know about controller, I guess the same thing should apply? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[tough thistle]

i've always stuck to the SCAR/AK because I'm not very good at hipfire

What are the best gadgets for model 1887? currently i'm using pyro/jumppad/defib

[gritty swallow]

Is riot shield any good rn?

[misty axle]

I don't see why that would be the case though, isn't it the same skill?

[misty axle]

Not really "viable" in ranked, but you can still build around it and pull it off anyway.

[misty axle]

I don't really think gadgets have much synergy with guns other than the CL-40,
Maybe goo grenade to block off long sight lines where the 1887 can't compete?

[gritty swallow]

Then what is viable? (For non ranked and ranked)

[misty axle]

Non ranked? Anything on Medium - nothing is unusable as long as you play to its strengths.

Ranked, if you can aim, the FCAR is the "correct" choice rn for the low TTK and effective range with that sight and easy recoil.

You can still get away with basically anything with the riot being the most difficult to accomplish anything with, but if you're a healbot, that doesn't matter.

The CL-40 is best when paired with mines because you can detonate them on demand easily, but a single FCAR shot will also do the trick with a bit more aim.

[gritty swallow]

Do you know what the GL's strengths are ?

[misty axle]

As a CL-40 main, it lacks structure damage on its own, but pairing it with explosive mines makes busting concrete walls a breeze.
It's also possible to break a crane at long distance (notably good for Seoul when you can isolate the hospital, takes 12 shots).
Concrete is 8 shots, Monaco roofs are 2 shots, ziplines and vents are 1-shot unless you barely wing it.

You can move revive totems (both friendly and enemy) and you can do it through the ceiling
you never ADS with the gun unless you're a godly sniper while airborne with it (has a little spread when airborne)
You can kill yourself (positive if you're trying to wipe before a Cashout finishes in 1vX moments)

The splash range isn't great, so it's honestly bad a confirming low-health kills.

[rose scarab]

are throwing knives any good???

[misty axle]

Aim for shins-aiming too high and missing will plummet the damage as the grenade sails past.

[rose scarab]

you can't move enemy revive totems without explosion

[misty axle]

I think they're really _ really_ niche as their DPS is kind of bad and are a projectille direct-hit weapon, but you never need to ADS or reload,

[misty axle]

Hun, I'm talking about a grenade launcher.

[rose scarab]

ah makes sense

[gritty swallow]

Is that everthing i need to know ? Only thing im not sure about is gadgets

[misty axle]

The CL-40 struggles at range unless you're a god, so I bring mines and goo, but you could swap something out for the defib

You very much want to keep people at a short distance away so you don't splash yourself for damage, usually ~35-83 for each point blank explosion

Also, always be topping up your mag when you have a chance, avoid running it empty unless you can kill the person right now where it should be worth it.

[rose scarab]

defib is non negotiable IMO

[gritty swallow]

Ok sounds good is it good or not that i jump while shooting close to take les self damige and to make myself harder to hit

[misty axle]

You'd be surprised, assuming you're not running Heal (which you likely should)

[rose scarab]

Heal is best, Turrent is good for defensive builds (Kinda)

[misty axle]

In a less fucky way of saying that, healing is the best out of the 3 and you should always pair it with defib, but you may have reasons to run another specialization, so spawning someone in at 40% HP is often going to get them instantly killed unless you're safe...
But if you're safe, you can just hand-revive them for 100% HP.
All that isn't even mentioning that Defib is just a useless slot until someone dies, where you could instead bring something else that would keep people alive in the first place.

It's a bit more nuanced if you're not a medic.
And I see a lot of lower-ranked people lose half their IQ the moment they equip those damned paddles.

1. You are not immune to damage with the defib out, stop walking through the battlefield with them out. You're also telegraphing your intentions to defib.
2. The person you revive isn't immune to damage after you defib (technically, they are for 0.75s, which isn't long). Reviving someone and having them die instantly resets their self-revive timer and hands over money to the enemy in non-quick cash gamemodes.

[rose scarab]

hand revive is good on dome shield heavy

[rose scarab]

they forget you should charge and deploy it before getting to the revive totem

[misty axle]

You'd be surprised how much that telegraphs what you're doing and where you are - If I see a random dome in a corner, you bet your ass I know it's a heavy reviving a teammate, and I'm going to push them out of it (Gas is a good option)

[rose scarab]

Shield blocks gas tho

[misty axle]

The issue is that you can't sprint with them charged, warming up while sliding mitigates that a lot.
Also, walking around the corner with the defib charged is a good way to tunnel vision youself into a trap (My mines are hungry)

[misty axle]

Fixed critical typo

[rose scarab]

mining a .... a totem?

[misty axle]

Shield doesn't block gas.

[rose scarab]

really? I might have mistaken

[misty axle]

I'm a CL-40 + Explosive Mine main, I will bait your medium into an instakill around a corner.

[rose scarab]

ah

so trueeeee

[misty axle]

1 mine + 1 grenade shot puts you down to about 50 HP, the guy you revived is either 60/100/140 HP, so anyone but heavy will get 1-shot by another grenade.
I will intentionally let you rez so I can kill both of you with the second grenade and earn $400 for my team.

[rose scarab]

tournament mode??

[misty axle]

Yep

Most of my time is soloQing ranked, only touching Quick Cash to test things out or play with friends casually.

[rose scarab]

I use Quick Cash to level my money quests

[misty axle]

What's a money quest?

[gritty swallow]

That's some next level Strats

[rose scarab]

the one get 35k in money for one day 125k for one week

[misty axle]

Hell, if I think you're a team with too much money, I might stick aroound since both of you have a 30 second timer on the self-revive, so the third is likely to rear their head too.

[misty axle]

So, each quick cash game is $0 / 10k / 20k
Each vault in Tourney is $10k / 15k / 22k and each kill is worth $0.2k
I haven't tried to figure out expected cashout money over time, but tourney might not be much behind quick cash, if at all.

[rose scarab]

I play Bank It!

[misty axle]

I know going 15-16 minutes only to get 1-6k is relatively common though

[misty axle]

Bruh, you just said Quick Cash
With the capitals and everything!

x-x

[rose scarab]

oops

[misty axle]

Yeah, I can see that being the fastest way to reliably bank cash

Bank It is my "I want to TDM" or "I have specific contracts/quests to complete"

[native schooner]

its not game breaking advantages though its literally an incentive to play and level up weapons ;p

just my opinion thats why i like call of duty the incentive to get dark matter camo

[gritty swallow]

@misty axle almost forgot to say thank you for all the GL info

[misty axle]

Playing Siege and CoD, I want to say that optic choice often gives a person's loadout a bit of personality, but you're going to just end up seeing the same 3 sights over and over most of the time.
Especially in CoD where you unlock the optic once and it's available to every gun.

[rose scarab]

Fortnite added Gun mods, the higher scope comes with a glare optic downside (I still main sniper scope)

[native schooner]

still ;p

[misty axle]

I've had people get pissed that I long-range sniped with 1.0x optics in Cod.
I didn't like the magnified optics because of ADS time and Glare, not to mention tunnel-vision.

Plus, sniping is CoD isn't difficult since you don't need headshots to 1-shot someone across the entire 6v6 map.

[rose scarab]

dang that is crazy in Fortnite snipers deal from 113-126 on a bodyshot to 270 headshot

[misty axle]

I think poorly on CoD's gun balance and the longer TTK is something I've been really enjoying in The Finals.

[rose scarab]

so you need to spray with a AR to confirm a bodyshot with a sniper, they also nerfed the gravity on the bullets effectively nerfing the range (Which as a sniper enthusiast in fortnite made me sad)

[rose scarab]

very true, I wish there was more playing around with healing... maybe in the form of health packs or aoe heal gadgets, maybe nerf reg regen to compensate IDK

[misty axle]

I do wish there were other forms of healing in The Finals, like a med station or stim shot.

Because, as it stands, not running any healing is a severe detriment to sustainability in a fight.

[rose scarab]

a med station like a TF2 dispenser would be great

[rose scarab]

not having a beam/defib medium is a recipe for disaster.

[misty axle]

I honestly think putting a med station on Medium and giving the heal gun to a Light might be an interesting shift in the meta.

The Light is the fastest class, which makes it the easiest to catch up to a teammate to heal them while also making them a very enticing target to eliminate because of their low HP and potential healing over the course of a fight.

[rose scarab]

what if both had it

[misty axle]

Then most people will still run Medium

[rose scarab]

a lot of the balance is based on TF2, in tf2 the medic has 150 health making him (Not) a squishy

[misty axle]

If your goal is to be a medic, you want the extra HP to survive since you can't heal yourself, so choosing between Light or Medium with a heal beam is kind of an easy choice.

[rose scarab]

medic also has ranged (Crossbow) and Stationary AOE heals like the Amputator

[rose scarab]

that is why medium should have it, I am also kinda worried what AOE heals would do for defensive areas. what if light have a healing sniper rifle like Ana

[misty axle]

Yeah, but in a competitive environment, you strictly see Crossbow and Ubersaw in every loadout.

[rose scarab]

true. Ubersaw is the goat. my brother and I play Amputator only for him to go spy, then backstab me anytime I tried to AOE heal (it makes you stationary)

[misty axle]

I'd also suggest Medium and Light to swap Tracking Dart and Motion Sensor since the Light, with its speed, should have the more mobile gadgets that focus on being mobile.

[rose scarab]

YASSS SO TRUE

[misty axle]

Again, I'm speaking from more of a ranked view vs casual, like I do for this game.

[rose scarab]

that is unquestionable.

[rose scarab]

I am a filthy casual...

[misty axle]

Like, in OW, the meta healers are Kiriko + Ana because Ana can Anti and Kiriko can Clear said Anti.

[rose scarab]

Bap if you are god, (Bap has one of the highest skill celings and maximum damage/healing output

[misty axle]

And a game with insane DPS and HPS numbers, it's critical to deny healing.

[rose scarab]

they just gave DPS a passive doing that

[misty axle]

Baptiste is good, but the immortality field isn't as good as Kiriko's cleanse.

[rose scarab]

true... very true.its also WAAAAY harder to use

[misty axle]

It's very positional as it won't work in the open because .. just shoot it.
You cannot deny Kiriko's cleanse.

[rose scarab]

Sledge Mesh shield heavy is just Reinheart but in the finals (My rein build is Mesh Sledge RPg Firestrike dome and gas will replace with c4)

[misty axle]

Hence why the meta is the meta in top-tier play.

[misty axle]

Meta Heavy is: Mesh | Lewis/Shotgun | RPG, Dome, C4
Maybe C4 might start getting swapped out more since the latest nuke bugfix + nerf.

[rose scarab]

I strongly dislike Lewis gun even tho its good

[misty axle]

It doesn't suffer from the same dropoff issues as the M60 does.

While the shotgun can 1-burst any class if you land almsot every pellet on heavy.

I don't really have a good idea on how to "fix" the heavy shotgun in an interesting way besides nerfing damage.

Like, I want to see the FCAR get turned into a burst weapon to settle in a a unique choice and Medium's dedicated long range option.

[rose scarab]

I wish heavy had a FCAR style gun

[long reef]

cosmetic and modules are very different

[rose scarab]

or just better ranged options in general

[misty axle]

I think Medium should be the only one with true assault rifles by the nature of being the "in between" class.

Meanwhile, Lights should excel in CQC/burst damage and Heavies should have suppressing fire/sustained damage

[rose scarab]

interesting

I just like hammer personally

[misty axle]

Medium should be somewhat in the middle between both the classes in theming.

The obvious example of this is Light's SMGs vs Med's ARs and Heavy's LMGs

But an interesting view is the shotguns:
Light shotgun is quick, but need constant reloads.
Heavy shotgun is a wall of lead, with a big mag, stifled by short interrupts - lots of sustained damage and you reload all 16 shots at once.
Medium's shotgun is slow with a lot of range and slow to reload... you're kind of like Heavy's sustained damage until you run out of ammo, then you're like Light scraping by with your reloads once your 6 rounds run out.

[ebon plover]

B O A T

[native schooner]

yh but its not game breaking its just a different sight, it was just an opinion ;p

[rose scarab]

I just love FCAR

[polar turret]

I use - CL, defib, gas grenade and APS, then reserve - fcar, model 1887, riot shield and explosive mine. Gotta be ready for any situation

[misty axle]

I'd suggest swapping gas grenade for gas mine if you main the CL-40

I'd also suggest limiting reserve weapons to 1-2, bit I'm also not used to being able to swap mid-round (ranked tourney)

[long reef]

i get it, i just think it's not befitting 😔

[errant whale]

Ngl I am starting to love the LH1 on light, at the same time I cannot learn to get the M60 right, its something about the visual recoil that throws my aim off and doesnt feel the same as the lewis gun

[misty axle]

LH1 is semi-secretly the most busted weapon rn, but it's so difficult to use.
The M60 also has garbage damage dropoff past 20m.

[errant whale]

Difficult? I feel like its easy AF to use, maybe I just work with it

[misty axle]

LH1 has insane headshot DPS and range, but it's semi-auto with a cap that's easy to hit (for me, at least) and the visual recoil harms your human accuracy with the gun.
Not to mention that it has a noticable amount of vertical recoil vs, say, the pistol.

[errant whale]

So why is the M60 so.... "off"? Like it almost feels like it is meant to be a shitty gun

I just cannot get it

[misty axle]

I'm almost pure Medium main, but my understanding and testing are that the recoil wiggles back and forth more aggressively during normal busts than the Lewis and the damage range is noticably worse.

Might also have to do with the fire RoF and lower damage vs the Lewis compoinding these issues.

[misty axle]

*During normal busts and not just dumping the whole box.

[boreal laurel]

When you can actually get the LH1 to hit, it’s a beautiful weapon. Landing shots is the hard part for me…just so inaccurate for some reason.

[misty axle]

Like, shooting for ~3 seconds, the M60 curves off to the side, then tuns back and forth 3 times.
The Lewis jumps straight up, then goes in 2 straight lines

[errant whale]

So it just is a whole cluster of a messy and terrible gun experience combined with actual terrible gun handling compared to the lewis?

[misty axle]

It's accurate when ADSed, it's just the the gun model itself shaking around obscuring where you're actually sending your shots.

[boreal laurel]

That’s probably it. Sadly I was forced to switch back to the Xp-54 because it’s a little easier, but now I might go back to LH1.

[misty axle]

Again, I don't have much live experience with either gun in real matches, but the recoil is just harder to learn in my eyes alone with much worse damage range.

[errant whale]

Hmm we need a heavy main who uses the guns a lot

[misty axle]

On top of all that, the sights on the Leweis are cleaner.

[errant whale]

When the m60 fires it shakes all over the place aka the horrible "visual recoil"

[boreal laurel]

I main flamethrower… 😏

[misty axle]

It's honestly pretty much stable at the point of aim unlick the LH1

Forgot to uplaod the screenshot!

Or the pistol!

[errant whale]

Yeah I really like it

[misty axle]

The AKM could be better in this respect as well

Lewis:

[errant whale]

Can I see a M60 of that?

[misty axle]

M60:

[misty axle]

I'm making these on the fly right now!

[errant whale]

Holy shit it goes all over the place...

No wonder I like hip firing the m60 a lot more than aiming it xD

[misty axle]

FCAR:

[errant whale]

Yeah the Scar has this wierd high recoil before going stable But I can manage that, its the M60 I cannot deal

[misty axle]

LH1

V9S

Forgive me, The Finals gods, for I've cheated to turn on a crosshair overlay for demonstration purposes.

Looking back, I should've set the recording to 60fps instead of my default 45.

Especially since I cut down on the dimensions so much, I didn't have to worry about filesize.

XP-54

M11 (This skin is particularly bad as it adds crap on the sides that obscure vision, mostly cropped out of the gif though, so I don't think it should be a big issue for demonstration purposes here.)

Honestly, this clips alone give, like, 80% of the reason why certain guns are meta and others aren't.

[errant whale]

I saw Once someone with a level 6 M60 skin and that's kinda impressive

[misty axle]

I honestly don't play the game enough to get lvl6 on any weapon.
Getting closeish with the CL-40 though.

Also, the M60, within 20m, does technically have a better TTK than the Lewis.

[errant whale]

C4 and Sledge are my current level 6 weapons

Currently working on the MGL32 atm

[misty axle]

Edit: Totally backwards on the M60 vs Lewis TTK

Like, TTK-wise, the M60 is to the Lewis as the FCAR is to the AKM: About 10% faster
But it's every other factor that makes the FCAR godly and M60 garbage.

Range, recoil, sight clarity

[hoary fiber]

cherche mate on est 2 un poid plume et 1 lourd bon

[errant whale]

Yeah I agree, so it really is the cosmetic factors and the mechanicals that really makes the M60 worse than it is.

[errant whale]

Eng only. #🟥┇rules

[ebon tapir]

why does m60 feel so terrible at range? is it the damage falloff or just the recoil?

[errant whale]

both @ebon tapir like everything from the visual to how it feels and the actual recoil makes it worse

[ionic spade]

they're both effectively the same with only a slight difference. one is harder to control than the other and one does slightly less damage than the other. people will always use whats easier in a game. that's just the way it is these days.

[misty axle]

1. English server, je suis désolée!
2. #lfg-eu-casual #lfg-eu-ranked

[ionic spade]

if you give someone a harder hitting gun with 0 recoil at all, they'll pick that over anything else also

[misty axle]

Yeah, I mean that's the FCAR vs AKM debate for the most part.

[ionic spade]

hence why everyone and their dog plays medium with fcar. the most brain dead class with the most utility with the most brain dead weapon

[misty axle]

Damage dropoff starts at 20m iirc and halves the damage at 25m

[errant whale]

AKM is nicer and easier to use but its also worse than Fcar, the Lewis is just straight up more comfortable and better than M60

[ionic spade]

and i'll just copy paste this over here since hordz was asking people about it in another channel.

it (the m60) feels worse cause it kinda has to be used in ads because of the massive bloom it has when its not in ads. and it feel bad in ads because the iron sight wobbles all over the place while taking up a huge portion of your screen. but if you ignore it and can control it while in ads it's not that bad. it just doesn't do as much damage as lewis gun though.

[misty axle]

Mediums can't do destruction well at all, and Goo Grenade is the only option for construction.
Heavy has many options for putting up and breaking down fortifications.

[errant whale]

❤️

[misty axle]

Edit: I was wrong about DPS, but the firerate was correct

True, but it also shoots faster, giving it more DPS, according to other people's testing.

[ionic spade]

what shoots faster?

[misty axle]

That's the only thing I'll knock you for though, the rest is on point

[misty axle]

Yo, I was TOTALLY wrong about the TTK numbers

The M60 is slightly worse than the Lewis by about 10%

Good thing I checked myself

Like, the M60 does shoot ~10% faster, but doing 22/33 damage vs Lewis's 25/37.5 means it has overkill damage just to kill someone while the Lewis is more efficient.

Defo my favorite spreadsheet for this game
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19qVTE-FA3e__9sNpD5jLxNN_UgvdzcRjORXBkrP5yaQ/edit#gid=147651767

[errant whale]

M60 shoots faster

[ionic spade]

speed doesn't matter. lewis still hits harder over the short term

[errant whale]

yeah that I am agreeing with, so whats the point of the M60 being there in the first place. At least the AKM and FCAR arguments have both up and downsides

[ionic spade]

m60 is a starter weapon. lewis has to be bought with vr's

[errant whale]

Yeah but its a terrible starting weapon, so bad that 9 / 10's will just get the Lewis ASAP

[frosty pike]

i believe someone said M60 TTK is much lower than Lewis, however the immense difference in recoil control makes it a weaker choice most cases. I prefer Lewis but had a blast on M60 too

[ionic spade]

point blank range with heavy vs heavy, the lewis gun will win every time. even if there was 0 recoil on both guns. you cant out shoot higher damage output. the only difference would be light vs heavy where light can mag dump into your face in more than half the time it takes you to unload 7 bullets, they can melt you with 30, more accurately and faster than you can get your shots off on them.

[foggy snow]

In that spreadsheet, the fire rate measurements for M60 and Lewis look incorrect

I can share my own spreadsheet where I approximate the fire rate of every gun, with math based on frame data from a 60 FPS recording

but they should be 560 and 500 RPM respectively

[young kayak]

is dagger still poopy?

[errant whale]

No, just extremely nische. Its a pure dopamin rush to get a kill with it tho

[errant whale]

Which again I question why the M60 is even there if you are just gonna go for the Lewis anyways. The M60 is not even a choice. Unless you're a degenerate like myself

[pine mulch]

Imagine if you could right click on healing beam to heal yourself. That would be huge

[young kayak]

100%, but I was wondering if the desync issues were resolved

[misty axle]

Yeah, all people seem to be able to agree on is that the M60 is ~10% faster.

But each person's methodology seems to be different and I'm much too lazy to try my own hand at it.

[foggy snow]

Thus far, nearly every TTK sheet that I've seen being released

is incorrect, with questionable measurement methods

with a few of them even having incorrect damage values for some guns

in fairness, it's impossible to get precise fire rate measurements without straight-up data mining

[misty axle]

I think it's more important to have the precision within a single sheet be accurate than it is to have the accuracy, all weapons are compared to each other, yeah?

Like, I've seen some people say that the AK is 600RPM or 650RPM, but they all agree that the FCAR is about 10% slower than the AKM, so the relative TTKs are accurate enough to make an informed choice

[foggy snow]

true, except the pinned sheet claims that the M60 kills faster than the Lewis

[misty axle]

I don't see people saying exact DPS numbers when discussing weapons very often, which would be all thrown out of wack with the inconsistencies between RPMs in different spreadsheets.

[foggy snow]

which is dead wrong if you do your own testing

[foggy snow]

ah nvm I was thinking of a different pinned sheet lol, in another discord

[restive plover]

more fcar skins

[vital narwhal]

what gadget combos would u guys suggest for an m11 dash unit?

[strange zinc]

APS is ruining the game secretly - Stopping all rock paper scissor ingenuity. The APS currently has unlimited charges to delete any "throwable" item in the game including some primary weapons. I literally spreadsheeted out all the guns, gadgets, specializations, categorized the as S-C tier and also based them on if they do any damage or not. Here is where the APS turret sits currently.

Amount of entire finals game blocked by APS - 38/73 - 52%
Amount of S and A tier items that do damage blocked by APS - 22/36 - 61%
Amount of gadgets in the game blocked by APS - 28/37 - 76%
Amount of light kit blocked by APS - 11/24 - 45%
Amount of med kit blocked by APS - 9/23 - 39%
Amount of heavy kit blocked by APS - 12/20 - 60%

I know the easy answer is "shoot it" but some guns can't (grenade launchers and throwing knives). Also, if the APS turret is set inside a room properly, it stops any destruction of the room to provide new access, so you are funnelled through a doorway met by guns/turrets/traps/etc. The APS turret is the most powerful tool in the game, and its a problem. it can completely delete entire builds from being used short of melee. It can destroy projectiles on the other side of walls, and it has UNLIMITED USES until destroyed.

APS turret fix is simple:

1. limit number of destroyed items to 20 or less (TWENTY is still TWENTY less explosions, gas, fire, etc. which is still absurd if you think about it)
2. No item in the game should remove a players primary weapon usability from them, regardless of the projectile type
3. I don't think it should destroy items on the other side of walls, but whatever i guess
4. Players who place the APS should not be able to then throw items or use grenade launchers in them.

[robust meadow]

CHANGE THE THIRD HABILITY OF THE BIG CHUNGUS. (and turn the goo weapon into a secondary selective weapon)

[sonic heron]

I totally agree with this. All primaries should be unaffected by aps.
Plus have a health for the shield. Just make sure nuking damage output is nerfed first or mediums will really cry.

Also M60. I like that it has a lower ttk than Lewis. To gove M60 a use case it should have a utility damage multiplier.
So m60 vs Lewis would basically be this: Far range -> Lewis win, Close range with utility -> heavy M60 win, Close range no utility -> Lewis slight win.

[errant whale]

I'd still use Lewis over M60 over any situation

[sonic heron]

The moment a dome shield is down the Lewis gets cooked. M60 would shred through mesh shield as well. Like with an insane ttk.

[errant whale]

Just cause M60 has more bullets? Does not justify its worse dpm compared to Lewis

If the M60 feels worse than the Lewis why would you use M60 when both are similar?

Beyond making yourself a hardmode challenge, like I do with MGL32 Level 6 grind atm

[sonic heron]

Agreed. But I don't think M60 should have more damage. I think it should have a different use case and buff from there.
Right now I main M60 for the swag and skins lol

[errant whale]

Yeah M60 has nicer stuff same as AKM even if FCAR is the better gun the more skilled you are.

I just wish the M60 was worth using in a meta / performance perspective rather than memes and cosmetics

[sonic heron]

Do you think my change would give it a use case? In theory it would be suppressive fire. No one can make pushes with gadgets when an M60 is firing away. It would shred them while only using a few bullets.
Think like 4 or 5 would kill a turret from range.

[errant whale]

Was it before or after the big APS Wall of Text?

@sonic heron AH you mean the Utility boost? Yeah It makes sense that M60 should be a better close range if lewis is better longer range

[ebon tapir]

wow thats even worse than i thought

[golden adder]

I agree but also 20 is an insane conclusion for the amount of projectiles it should be limited to. A quarter of that would be much more reasonable.

[sonic heron]

After lol. Yeah you keep M60 mostly the same but give it a really strong utility damage multiplier so you kill turrets, aps, mesh and dome shields, barricades and goo way faster than most weapons can.
Basically making M60 the gadget counter

[strange zinc]

I agree also, i settled on 20 because infinite to 20 is a big neuter. Also someone like me that runs grenade launchers only has to launch 3 clips at it to destroy it. Probably 10 or less is more realistice

[errant whale]

That would be pretty nice actually. And it would give M60 a choice of reason

I wanna add a range buff to the damage drop off to 25-30m just so you can do more than poking people

[misty axle]

But that doesn't really get explained much to new players by jsut looking at it
(Everything else is pretty self-explanatory if you have general videogame literacy)

[umbral arch]

They should add dual Double Barcelona shotguns

Barrel i ment

[restive plover]

#👂┇game-feedback message

[sonic heron]

They could add a utility bar for showing the utility damage multiplier of a weapon.

[sweet arch]

Seeing a bow for light class would be sick, if the arrows could be set on fire or maybe strap bombs to them or something.

[calm turtle]

that would be cool

[tall hollow]

Who here hates the gaurdian turret?

[boreal laurel]

I hate facing it but love using it

[wheat python]

Buff stun gun it feels like it doesn’t do anything lol

[rain locust]

I like how they are changing the nuke feature, but I only ever got it to work maybe 20% of the time without magically killing myself, even if I saw both c4’s still attached to the canister

[blazing canopy]

Battle rifle from halo 2

Slingshot for lights instead of a bow

[frigid swan]

is it better to run gas mine or grenade?

[sonic heron]

Up to you really. Grenade can be launched further. Mine is good to shoot from a distance to have a perfectly placed gas cloud.

[fickle radish]

Why not using a gas nade instead then

[frigid swan]

thats what i mean

[tropic hearth]

nades are generally better for most situations

but mines can be really strong when stacking yourself for defense (which Im sure is a surprise to nobody but w/e)

[tropic hearth]

stop trying to kiss people when you use it

they can still shoot you, but only with hipfire
stun them at a distance
and shoot them at a distance

otherwise theyll just blast you at point blank

[soft juniper]

if you change how you use it it can be usfull, I found most luck to Use it on people at the cash box so you can stop them from stealing/cashing out

[tropic hearth]

yep

since it's basically a one-hit for denial

"oh you're getting healed by two mediums while stealing?"
DOESNT MATTER
STUNNED BITCH

[soft juniper]

yup its better to treat it as a denial over a quick easy kill

[tropic hearth]

in a way it can be kind of like a single target glitch
priority target tool

flank a heavy and stun them so they cant use shield
or stun medium

[soft juniper]

only time its good to use it on a light is if there trying to run

[tacit zealot]

4 words nerf the flame thrower

[tropic hearth]

stop holding W into it

literally just turn around, nake some distance
and shoot them

flamethrower is so situational

it's not even like TF2 where the pyro can catch up to a lot of people
it's a heavy
just run dude
he cant catch you

well I guess he could use charge n' slam

but that's not a flamethrower problem

[soft juniper]

I think Goo guns accurecy needs a slight tweek because I feel it always aims just slightly to the left or right more then half the time

[trim bridge]

3 burst rifle like a famas would be cool and would fit in well with medium

[sonic heron]

It straight up has bloom when firing. I have no idea why they thought that was a good idea but alas.

[soft juniper]

do you mean Bloom as in its fire patern or Bloom as in when you shoot a gun its the flashing at the end of the gun?

[sonic heron]

I may be wrong but I thought bloom stood for the inaccuracy? New to competitive fps games so I get the terms wrong sometimes.
It is slightly inaccurate and will fire in a spread

[soft juniper]

ok just want to be on the same page

but yeah I was shooting at a heavy but it kept missing because it was not centered

[cosmic harbor]

So many people think the flamethrower and many other weapons are cracked, but these opinions are always formed on the receiving end, not the using end. Of course a weapon is gonna seem good if you die to it, but before you go onto every site to shout out how OP it is (which leads to the game becoming more unbalanced because it wasn't), try using the weapon yourself. After using the flamethrower myself I was instantly able to see how not OP it was, it does not out dps most weapons and has limited range, meaning even though I do kill a few people with it when we're all stuck inside a building, I still easily die myself.

[nimble basin]

🤝

[misty axle]

Just make the FCAR this to cement it was a long-range option.

[soft juniper]

honestly would be cool to have the Fcar be turned into a burst fire

its hard to decied what heavy special to go

because both Mesh and Goo Gun are good with flamethrower and Hammer

[signal oriole]

Wow

[soft juniper]

ok I have an amazing Flamethrower skin Idea: Grimoire

[midnight leaf]

⚠️ PLease oh GOD please add option to remove melee lock-on ⚠️ thanks everything else is great

[valid girder]

Buff flamethower

[spare lynx]

The only build I have that hasn't got everything is light biuld

And flamethrower is what I use most

[remote fable]

A little medium (or possibly light) specialization idea: Glitch Gun

it’s basically just a portal gun. but it can be shot at a wall/ceiling/floor to create a “glitch in the matrix” that can teleport you to another wall that was already shot.
to balance it, every time you go through it, the same visual effect that happens when you spawn in occurs, so you’re blinded a little whenever you go through it. it would also have a decent cooldown after 2 shots, or make it charge-based so it works like a grenade. This all would work extremely well combined with jump pads, or other momentum-gaining tactics. But it would be a physical gun, so you can’t spam it instantly like you can in Splitgate for instance.

At first I felt like this would be broken no matter how you do it, but after thinking about it, it actually seems pretty balanced especially if it has a range to the gun shots, for instance if it shot timed-grenade projectiles, as well as an expiration time on the portals so it’s very hard to make cross-map portals. It would also combine very well with the destruction, and destruction could be a means of countering it, perhaps it would disappear if the wall it was placed on was destroyed. another clever way to encourage tactical destruction.

I think back to my time during splitgate, chaining portals and building momentum and realized how well it would work in this game especially with how good the physics system is. it would work so well with the canisters, and allow for so many creative plays. Portals are in many F2P multiplayer games, like splitgate and even apex legends. it would absolutely fit the theme and make sense lore-wise

another little idea I had was a gravity-well grenade that briefly pulls all objects towards it including debris and cashout stations. could be the most reliable way to move a cashout station, and could also cause weak canisters to explode when they get pulled to the cashout

[umbral arch]

Hi

[agile axle]

that sounds interesting but would it interact with players?

i could think of a gravity granade which slightly pulls players and objects towards the bomb before exploding

[timid plume]

maybe a gadget to shoot at somebody and give dead go boom debuff on him for 8 seconds and when he got killed in this time he will explode, dealing damage close

[rotund cargo]

can we add real nukes to this Game? like atomic-bombs xD? jk

[somber halo]

Add a gas mask for light

[misty axle]

I want to see the game provide more sources of healing.

I think Light should get a Healing Beam or similar close-range and/or single-target heal as they can bounce around quickly, perhaps a heal bomb like the vanish bomb.
Hell, maybe a stim shot that would begin their natural health regen almost instantly, but still be subject to stopping should they take any damage.
While Heavy/Medium can get a sort of healing station for a more defensive style of play.

I mostly just want to see more diversity in healing as I think every ranked team benefits tremendously from it and cements Medium as a "must pick," it feels like.

[bronze palm]

I think tank (Heavy) should get more defensive weapons or gadgets (shields etc), light's sniper should kill in one shot (headshots) apart from Heavy (2,3 headshots).

•Frag grenade needs a buff ⬆️
• Medium's wallhack needs a nerf ⬇️
•Barricade should be bigger
•RPGs should deal more dmg
•Pistol with a silencer needs to have bigger magazine (more ammo in magazine)

[limber bison]

Tank needs a nerf lol you buff it you would one be crazy

[bronze palm]

Depends on how good the tank is

[bronze palm]

Flamethrower is op, barricade is useless

[limber bison]

Works for me then i carry with tank ez 30 kills plus easy

Barricade is good in most scenarios not all Dome Shield is nice

Chare and slam is super good

[bronze palm]

I'm not suggesting that tank needs a buff, I say that barricade is useless, flamethrower is op

[limber bison]

You have infinite ammo essentially with high damage flamethrowers fine you just need to distance yourself light really can take advantage of flamethrower players it's just nobody plays light

I will say the shotgun should get nerfed a small amount I think it's like 84 damage just make it a clean 80

But I would say in general the game just needs more time more balancing and some reworks especially in the ranked aspect

[misty axle]

I think I disagree with every point you've made:

• Heavy already has a 300HP dome and 1,000HP wall, both of which can be shot through by their team, but not enemies. It's already hell when they bring 2 Heavies.
• Light Sniper has some fairly good burst damage should you play around cover and insane range (befitting of the weapon). Sniper does best when getting picks on OBJ from a distance (Next building over, not across the map)
• Frags already deal 149/150 damage with a long dropoff range, you get 2 of them, they have faster cooldowns than their equivalent mines, and are often incedibly difficult to see one roll towards you.
• Recon Sense is in a weird spot and a rework should be in order, but just hitting it harder with the nerf hammer won't solve the issue. I'd change it into Sonar senses to be similar to the sonar grenade for a myriad of reasons surround readability.
• Barricade already blocks doorways, you get 2 of them, they're very resistant to breaking (each damned panel has independant HP) vs Goo which breaks with a second of gunfire.
• RPG used to do over 200 damage and has been getting nerfed until it intentionally doesn't 1-shot lights anymore. It was busted, it kind of still is, considering it's instant 140 damage with infinite range to chunk an enemy you come across before swapping to your gun to mop up.
• 20 rounds on a semi-auto weapon with a lightning fast reload is generous enough, if you ask me.

[signal verge]

You could call it a vortex grenade and it pulls in and combos well with other grenades

[misty axle]

The SA1216 fires 13 pellets with 7dmg for 91 total damage, seeing it dropped to 13x6 = 78 damage means that it wouldn't be able to 3-shot Medium or 1-burst Heavy anymore.

Like, I think it's the only gun with sub-1 second TTK on Heavy unless you nail only headshots with other guns.

On top of all that, you never ADS with the gun either, so it's harder to get your head lazerbeamed due to your faster mobility and freedom to jump with 0 accuracy consequence.

(Can someone talk about how the LH1 has obscene headshot TTKs?)

The only gun with a faster optimal TTK vs Light is literally the sniper 1-shotting.

It's better than Revolver range with better than Revolver firearate with better than Revolver magazine
It has similar TTKs vs the revolver up close, but has more range and forgiveness for missing because of the firerate and magazine.

[lost blaze]

https://youtu.be/1qdWU5IWYMA

https://youtu.be/1qdWU5IWYMA

https://youtu.be/1qdWU5IWYMA

[slim linden]

SH1900 is 0sec cause all pellets hit = 150 damage and light have 150 health

[misty axle]

I entirely forgot the light shotgun existed for a moment

[slim linden]

(fixed the formatting of some of the points cause they have same head ttk for say light medium

[slim linden]

xD its only against light though

[buoyant ridge]

here's a funny throwing knife skin idea: chancla (i.e. flipflop)

I really think they need to get rid of the riot shield movement debuff

[misty axle]

I don't think riot shield has a movement debuff, I've always been the same speed as any medium I was chasing.

[buoyant ridge]

then why does it seem like I move faster when I am holding something like a frag verses when I have the shield deployed?

[flat geode]

what the best gadget

[misty axle]

"Feel like" are actually catching up / falling behind other mediums?

This is the playerbase that thought they slowed movement speeds because default FoV was lowered for release.

[misty axle]

I think the best single gadget is probably Defib.

[flat geode]

ture

true

[misty axle]

I'm also glad to see people slowly come to the opinion that it's not a 100% always must have either.
Because it's not, especially if you don't pair it with healing since that 40% HP and practically no invuln time hurts a lot now.

[buoyant ridge]

yeah it just seems like I fall behind movement wise with the shield out compared to other med. but as soon as I swap to my frag it seems like I catch to them pretty quickly

[misty axle]

Idk what to tell you, I've never had any issues thinking I was numerically slower than fellow mediums in a footrace.

Either way, you could just swap to a Goo Nade to block off or trap your target.

[loud matrix]

i don like fcar it is too good

[fast mulch]

AK is just too bouncy for me

[misty axle]

Yep.
I'll also point out that the bullets go where the crosshair overlay is.

[fast mulch]

The FCAR tho 😩

[fast mulch]

I'll have to give the AK a try again

[loud matrix]

frag grenade football skin bussin

[rocky summit]

ban hack china

[loud matrix]

grenade launcher fun but not so viable

[misty axle]

I take it that you mean the Heavy's MGL32
It's okay, but really awkward to use.
That being said, a good MGL32 user is kind of scary, especially against your well-crafted defense of mines and goo.

[tranquil quartz]

whats the best spesilisation for hammer

Specialization*

[misty axle]

Honestly, any of them:
Charge to gapclose and cause damage,
Mesh to gap close / lure people close
Goo to stun targets or block off runners.

[remote turtle]

def want more skins for my stuff

[loud matrix]

add a hotdog gun

[wheat python]

smart thx

[loud matrix]

make susie more op

[remote turtle]

make secret special weapon drops we can find in game. bwhahah

[sonic heron]

All melee weapons slow you down while moving. Riot shield makes you walk when shielding.

[misty axle]

No duh, you're slowering while shielding, just like Mesh shield.

[sonic heron]

Wrong word for the first sentence. Melee weapons slow you down while attacking. I think you should be able to full sprint while swinging with no movement penalty.
not sure about what to do with Riot Shield

[misty axle]

How is this possible for mines?

[west maple]

You got stacked big boy

[misty axle]

I mean, one mine cannot be doing 100+dmg

[west maple]

Secret stack

[misty axle]

I'm kind of scared that when they fixed C4 doing extra damage, that they broke mines now.

[heady glacier]

what's the best weapon and specialization for light

[misty axle]

XP-54 + Cloak is probably the most noob-friendly.

[sour adder]

Can’t wait for the revolver to be usable

[misty axle]

Skill issue...?

Like, the revolver is a close/mid range headshot machine.
If you're not landing at least half your shots as heads, you're stuggling.

It's one of the few weapons with a 2.0x headshot multi.

[sonic heron]

Nah there is no point to use Revolver right now. Shotgun beats it in Revolver's range.

[sour adder]

Nah it’s just in such an awkward spot balance wise (range nerf was a weird choice). And the bloom issues aren’t very fun.

[misty axle]

Revolver has better optimal TTKs and reloads all 6 rounds at once.
Again, this is if you can' hit headshots

[sour adder]

It’s just outclassed by all of the mediums other weapons.

Just hoping they change the reticle alignment/random bloom on all weapons. Not a huge fan of it in general and it’s the most noticeable on the revolver. Feels very punishing.

[sonic heron]

I suppose. Shotgun kills super fast at close range too though. I really think shotgun is just better Revolver. Mainly because of Revolver nerf.

[misty axle]

Shotgun doesn't need to ADS, but its firerate is really slow and the reload is kind of scuffed.

For reference, the Revolver does 148 per headshot vs 128 wth evey pellet of the 1887

But the revolver falls apart when missing those 6 rounds or bodying for only 49

And you miss out on the extra mobility (shooting hipfire/airborne)

[soft juniper]

Bro sometimes when I’m fighting someone and I miss my first 2 shots I give up

[misty axle]

Third time's the charm!!

[lofty hearth]

guys is sonar grenade or the sonar sniper (or whatever its called) better?

I just cant seem to find the right chance to use the latter

[soft juniper]

Sonar Grenade is good for covering an area to see multiple targets. Tracking Dart is good at single target tracking if I’m correct you can see them for 15 sec

[lofty hearth]

oh wow thats actually good to know thanks

also ik frags are good but god do i suck with them, i usually opt for jumpad, sonars and defib

[royal pier]

After using the MGL32 a decent amount, I feel fairly confident in saying that small objects/debris/stairs can cause it to basically do no damage. CL40 has the same issue.

One moment I'll just destroy people, the next ill see grenades explode at their feet and do basically no damage.

It's already a pretty difficult weapon to learn, it might be balanced to make the damage dealt be fixed instead of having it be like other explosives where the damage decreases the further from the explosion they are.

If that means lowering the AoE some, that seems like a fair trade-off.

[frozen gull]

Bro I can’t equip the jackpot juggle to any of my aks or ak skins, whenever I hop into a game or if I close my game it just enequips and it’s the regular reload, idk how to fix it and my friend on Xbox has the same problem so I’m thinking it’s a bug

[wind folio]

they better fix it ASAP🙏

[crystal jolt]

love heavy

with bomb barrels

and shotgun

mmh

cant be m,uch massges left

[loud matrix]

v9s is busted

[crystal jolt]

uff

[soft juniper]

good choices I will say Zipline isnt a bad choice over jumppad

[orchid hinge]

Lets say the are planning on adding more weapons, which type of weapons would you guys want to see ?

[magic knoll]

Honestly the CL-40/ Medium grenade launcher is criminally underrated

[magic knoll]

Only real glaring downside it has is that it's not very good in close range but other then that running one in your comp seems very good.

[boreal laurel]

• A bow or crossbow for medium, which would act like a sniper rifle of sorts
• A short-range high-RoF bullpup assault rifle for medium, giving it a high burst damage option up close
• An AMR (anti-material rifle) for heavy—shoots very slowly but does very high damage, especially to structures, over a very long range

[magic knoll]

Yeah heavy definitely needs more viable weapons. It's kinda just 50/50 on lewis gun and SA

[boreal laurel]

What historical weapon would you suggest?

[magic knoll]

Perhaps light could get a more supportive gun like a flare gun? Kinda like a mini-rpg that reveals people and lights them on fire. Like tracking dart but AOE

Stim Pistol like from siege.

[orchid hinge]

Any other suggestions to this specific post ?

And to this

[boreal laurel]

Anything at all that would give medium some destructive capability.

I also imagine a gadget for heavy or medium which is a handheld battering ram (like police use). You can destroy things very easily like with sledgehammer, but you can only swing it slowly and you can only damage objects (not players).

[golden adder]

Medium doesn’t do destruction for a reason

[golden crow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3_FeUmI41p0

[uncut glacier]

Gatling gun when? 😏

[buoyant ridge]

A burst fire gun like a DMR for med. & a burst fire smg for light

[indigo acorn]

everyone keeps sayin the famas

that would be cool if it had a redot

[round bridge]

3rd burst is a no-brainer for Med. Personally I'd love to see a deagle for Heavies

Just so I can form a squad with Light & V9S, Med & R357, Heavy & deagle

Pistol gang 😎

[indigo acorn]

that would be a pretty funny comp

[restive plover]

more sniper esc weapons would be nice

[indigo acorn]

idk if i agree with that. game needs less light snipers lol

[restive plover]

yea so give medium somehting to work with

like a dmr

[round bridge]

semi-auto DMR would be great

[restive plover]

exactly

auto dmr are js battle rifles

[round bridge]

maybe they could make a bolt action work? I used to run that in battlefield without optics as a medium-range gun and that was crazy fun

[restive plover]

thatd be to slow for medium

[twin berry]

less ak skins and just 1 dope fcar skin would be really nice.

[round bridge]

True, but we don't exactly need MORE reasons for ppl to run the FCAR lmao

[restive plover]

crying about fcar is dumb

[round bridge]

I say this as a Med main who abuses the FCAR a lot

[restive plover]

it js needs a range nerf

[round bridge]

it's simply the best option

yeah range nerg could work. I was thinking recoil increase which is basically the same thing

nerf*

[restive plover]

a recoil nerf would kill it bcs of its msall mag it needs the accuracy that comes with the low recoil

[round bridge]

does it need to be a laser tho? that would just increase the skill cap which isnt necessarily bad for an AR

[restive plover]

it would increae th required skill not raise the skill ceiling. it being a laser isnt the issue. it just has too much range

[oblique jetty]

That’d be hard

[hoary tapir]

a

[fathom summit]

give meds a bullpup

idk balance wise but it'd just be nice

change recon sense into a secondary handgun

[soft juniper]

I could see this being a Heavy Special

[ebon knot]

okay seriously wtf is with the grenade launchers

[soft juniper]

@round bridge Speaking about the Fcar what are your thoughts if they made it a burst fire insted of a Full auto?

[soft juniper]

Mediums or Heavys?

[ebon knot]

mediums, heavys are annoying too but not nearly as bad as mediums

like every game theres one team spamming the grenade launcher and its killing my mood everytime i play
i dont even care about winning its just not fun

[soft juniper]

would you prefer just seeing Fcar/Xp/Lewis ever single game?

thats boring to me Im more then happy to see any other gun

[ebon knot]

im fine with other shit but like wtf do i do about it, had one game where 2 heavies and a medium using the launchers and shielding nonstop

like is there anything to fight against that shit or do i just have to deal with it

[honest oasis]

Yo

[soft juniper]

Heavy’s sucks ass in close range the projectile needs to bounce before exploding so get in close, same thing for Medium but they will hurt themselves instead

[supple crypt]

IM, LOKING FOR PEPUL TO PLAY WITGH

[soft juniper]

Go to these channels and ask

[lofty hearth]

frag grenade

[rose scarab]

what gadgets should I get???

[round bridge]

@rose scarab All of them 😉

[rose scarab]

tier em

[tribal lichen]

anyone got some unique fun loadouts?

[boreal laurel]

Flamethrower with shield and sword with dash are my favorite

Don’t know how unique they are though…

[supple crypt]

WHY CAN I NOT MAKE A CHANNEL IN VC

[rose scarab]

fr tho

[tribal lichen]

i like the sword with dash i need to use the flame thrower more tbh

i like the sledge hammer too but i need better loadouts for it

[boreal laurel]

S: RPG, frag grenade, pyro grenade, all mines, goo grenade, sonar grenade, defibs
A: glitch grenade, gas grenade, APS, dome shield, zip line, jump pad, breaching charge, C4, flashbang
B: barricade, stun gun
C: smoke grenade, thermal vision, motion sensor, vanish bomb, tracking dart

Feel free to offer opinions (politely) everyone. Also let me know if I missed anything.

[tribal lichen]

i feel like vanish bomb should be higher up if you use them for your team more

[boreal laurel]

I think they’re just hard to use well

[tribal lichen]

i like to throw it on my mediums pushing in with fcar or shotgun as it lets them suprise people as they round cashouts or vaults

[tribal lichen]

they are decently hard

i also feel like you can get more milage out of them if you use them for a quick escape after you round a corner or close a door

or if you use them on low health teammates so they can run away to heal

[rose scarab]

I will post my builds

[lofty hearth]

is shotgun viable in higher elo?

[slender magnet]

Which one

[lofty hearth]

medium

[rose scarab]

1887???

[lofty hearth]

yes

[slender magnet]

Oh. Depends how you use it really (as with all other weapons). My teammates have used in tournaments we won (they were plat fyi).

Just don't ads

[lofty hearth]

yeah with no headshot multiplier

[supple crypt]

i feel like vanish bomb should be higher up if u use them

is shotgun viable in higher elo?

Na it would have to be a full heal because you need enough helath to be able to either reload or run and if you don’t have full you usually can’t do either after most fights if someone else shows up

[misty axle]

You need enough automated server trust to obtain a yellow name.
Interact with the community more to level up.

[supple crypt]

does anyone want to play some SUPER chill casual games are looking for 1 more 18+ ALL BUILDS WELCOME (420 stoner friendly) dm me

[round bridge]

Any idea how long this takes? Just curious

[misty axle]

Looks like it took Peach Collector up there about 30 messages.

[lunar path]

Nice

[misty axle]

Judging from that Jime person above this message, there's more to it because they've done about 40 random 2-3 character messages in about every channel and still haven't levelled.

[misty axle]

Maybe there's some sort of combo bonus for posting in the same channel (like a real conversation would have)
Maybe getting replied to helps
Maybe length matters since random spam doesn't seem to help. Might need spaces to indicate multiple words instead of "qwrwewewewerrewrewwewqrwr"

[tribal lichen]

if its like a mee6 bot you only get xp to it for sending a message every so many mins so you cant spam messages to get more points

[misty axle]

Yeah that.. would be the simplest answer - I'm probably really overthinking it.

[tribal lichen]

you really aren't tbh bots work in weird ways for it gives level ups

its never consistent across bots either its always something different

[misty axle]

Yeah, I guess the moral of the story is to just talk to people in the chat organically instead of trying to game the system.

And to, like, read the rules instead of spamming every channel asking the same question.

[tribal lichen]

i mean if you really want to brute force it like i have for other servers you can just find a random convo people are jumping in and out of and just talk in it for a few mins at a time then go do something else then repeat

[restive plover]

Damn that's some weird dedication that you only find in GTA samp wtls but ok

[tribal lichen]

i got bored and messed around with discord bots in variou servers one day and i need to be a certain levels to access channels for trading

[restive plover]

Fair

[orchid light]

u missed the tracking dart.. but its still meh

[boreal laurel]

Very true

[queen hamlet]

what the best weapon for medium rn?

[molten epoch]

fcar

[soft juniper]

Man im still seeing people cry about the Nuke when it was nerfed yet again

[vast quest]

Fcar or akm for medium? Personally I like fcar but which is better for a healer medium

[lyric quail]

What Nuke? I am just new one huh

If what im here waiting you to replly;D

[soft juniper]

If you don’t know Nuke is the term where a heavy places 2 C4 on an arena throwable and throws it and blows it up (it has the power to delete a heavy) it’s been nerfed in a many ways so far and people still complain

[lyric quail]

Yea ,interesting

because i am a person whos main is L with gun-slincer and Havy Flame with heal M

[soft juniper]

Well Nuke was an annoying thing but the nerfs have made it more close range needed

[lyric quail]

)

I can consume you played on this build?)

[soft juniper]

I dabble in everything to understand it all so I can figure out how to best counter stuff

Or maximize build I run

But area throwables (excluding the red Barrel) can only go about 20m with no object on it, put a C4, Mine, or breach on it and it will drop to 10m

So you have to be very close to even get it off

[next cosmos]

Yo, does anyone know if the guardian turret blocks the stun gun?

[fossil gate]

Like if you shoot the turret with the stun gun and the shot doesn't go through?

[sonic heron]

Light should have more gadgets that force teams to separate more.
I was thinking of them getting a static electricity grenade. When thrown it create an aoe that applies a static charge affect.

The affect damages victims and makes any of the victim's teammates nearby the victim get hit with electricity and damaged.
So the victim's teammates have to stay away from the victim to avoid damage

[restive plover]

If you don't play tournament or ranked rn you will be in a lobby of all light teams.. The internet meta crap is killing this like it does with every game lately.. you get on, and then you face an infinite number of people doing the same thing.. and while I am ranting, let me talk about the sniper rifle...

What is the light sniper in the game for? It takes 2 shots to kill and you will barely ever be in a great position where there is no cover around for the enemy to hide behind plus by the time you hop out of ur sniper position you are too far away to stop someone from stealing.. I hate playing with this class because they are not team players, but the sniper rifle is the absolute worst thing in this game and needs to be changed into a completely different weapon.
I like playing all classes but lately all my matches have been full teams of lights all playing cloak. So you just get melted by 2 lights who sneak up and dissappear before you can react..
I just want people to play a somewhat balanced team and it would help if they made some of the weapons better

[restive plover]

The Heavy grenade launcher is another stupid completely worthless weapon... why make them bounce before exploding? You end up hitting yourself more than the enemy...

Quick solution to all wapons: take the SR-84 and give it a slight buff ..Give it to Medium!
Take the LH1 and give it a slight buff and..give it to Heavy!
Now everyone has 7 weapon options.. and give Heavy and light more gadget options.. maybe fix the glitch trap to do something better or different

[soft juniper]

Revolver needs a Buff the fall of damage nerf was too much I kinda wish to help compensate for it they could make hip fire alittle more accurate or give it a faster reload (this is from my phone so I can’t remember the reload speed if it right now)

[restive plover]

best weapon in game

[acoustic jolt]

Best heavy load out?

[soft juniper]

Honestly the “Best load out” for any class is based on your play style unless you want to be a sheep and fallow the herd

[hoary coral]

when does heavy get a airstrike as his specialization

[sonic heron]

Sniper rifle takes team synergy. A Sledgehammer is a great pairing for it since it can always ensure the sniper has a clear sight line at objective.
It is a good weapon that needs someone with great aim and team comms on mic

[azure cove]

for the “season 1 starter pack” bundle, it says it’s worth 1,150 but it also says you get 1,150 multi bucks in the bundle?? doesn’t that mean i just get it for free if i pay 10 dollars and purchase it?

[full arch]

pretty much i already got it

[azure cove]

so u js got the bundle and ur multi bucks back? sounds like a deal to me

the sticker and AK are sick asf, nvm its all sick

[full arch]

yay i got them back with no problem

[azure cove]

ight thanks man

[restive plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009830578545246213/1208731254548209674/GIF-240217_192850.gif

[full arch]

thats horrifying

[restive plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009830578545246213/1208490940830978088/GIF-240217_191114.gif

[restive plover]

its beautiful

[full arch]

i feel bad for the enemy didnt see it coming

[restive plover]

ha thats intended

[full arch]

he must have had a heart attack lol

[restive plover]

i bet

[full arch]

its even funnier the fact that i cant even see the dude in the video did you shot and hope you would hit someone

[cloud hazel]

The stun gun is ass

[lavish tartan]

🫦

[cloud hazel]

Yep definitely

[restive plover]

i know its nice

[lavish tartan]

Its an art piece

[restive plover]

jup well put it in a museum

[full arch]

i dont know about

that nuke

[full arch]

its scary

[restive plover]

jup thats the point of it....ooof you shold hear the sound it makes XD

[full arch]

lol and you want to put it in a museum

[restive plover]

jup

[full arch]

lol

[restive plover]

Hi

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009830578545246213/1208174242752110602/GIF-240216_221226.gif

[proud mortar]

i think it would be crazy if the med class had a sniper, think of the trick shots with the jump pad

[cloud hazel]

Yoo

[restive plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009830578545246213/1208731254548209674/GIF-240217_192850.gif

[random elk]

Hey devs! Can you give a special item for purchasing everything available for our VRS? Feels a little lack luster once you buy the last item

[soft juniper]

Maybe We should be allowed to by weapon/Gadget skins with VRS?

[hallow leaf]

even if it took 3k for any paid weapon skin it would still be worth it

[soft juniper]

I was thinking like Rare = 1000 Epic = 2000 and Legendary = 3000

[hallow leaf]

that works too

[restive plover]

or VRS to gold exchange and vice versa

[hallow leaf]

i dont think they would do that, there is a higher chance of being able to get weapon/gadget skins with it

[restive plover]

still fine w that

it's stupid how once u get everything u can't do anything with VRS
(i'm not maxed)

[hallow leaf]

currently the only thing you can do with it wait for new gadgets/weapons/abilities

[restive plover]

have extra VRS displayed on account as another stat to get higher if u not gonna add skins for VRS

[rain cloak]

It'd be great if VRs just converted to a small amount of game currency when maxed out like 20 credits or something

[restive plover]

as in 3k is 20?

[rain cloak]

Ya something like every 3000 VRs you get 20-30 credits. Gives players something to grind for.

or even less than that tbh just as long as they do SOMETHING at end game

[brittle knot]

It'd be nice, after you unlock everything they somewhat become useless

[random elk]

Yes 👍🏽

[restive plover]

i think his skin idea is good, because gold is ment to be a paid currency like v bucks. no way to earn v bucks for free except the battle pass

and the skins are not to far fetched

[rain cloak]

being able to directly buy skins with them would hurt the studios income a bit too much imo

[hallow leaf]

not really

it would keep people playing and the more people playing the more to buy the battle pass

[rain cloak]

converting to currency would be a player minded solution and allow them to regulate the speed at which you can earn a free cosmetic

[hallow leaf]

and if you make it only weapon/gadget skins then you would still need to buy the outfits with the prem currency

[restive plover]

well making special skins just for VRS (they don't have to look that cool)

or u can do what valorant did by adding the ability to purchase free items from past battle passes with the credits u normally use to unlock characters

[rain cloak]

that last bit would be an interesting model

[restive plover]

much less profits for owners

[restive plover]

although that was implemented 3 years after game was created and this game was made within just this battle pass so there won't be much stuff to buy

and ppl with have alr owned it

[brittle knot]

I think skins that cost VR's will be a thing at some point, there's just not enough to do so maybe.

[rain cloak]

Ya but unless they keep churning out new skins every 7 days the store is going to be pretty dull.

[restive plover]

yeah

[rain cloak]

I just think if you convert VRs to currency at max level then you give players a reason to grind which would improve engagement numbers and potentially someone who might not purchase credits often would be like 200 away from something and just throw down the cash to buy it.

[restive plover]

i'd love rhat it's just no other game that makes money does that😭

[rain cloak]

I mean, the whales are the ones who float the games economy, so it's not terrible.

[restive plover]

what

[rain cloak]

Whales = people who buy everything in the store with cash.

[restive plover]

it's like fortnite, credits from battle pass

eventually u will have enough

[rain cloak]

Ya but the point of that is to buy the next battle pass with those credits usually.

[restive plover]

and if u buy it u get more then 1000

[rain cloak]

yeah so buying the bp once = next bp is free assuming you complete the bp

[restive plover]

1,575-1150 that's a bunch left over

[rain cloak]

ya sure i don't know how much it is I haven't bought it or done the math

that's how it is in most games though

[restive plover]

and that system works

[rain cloak]

seems to work for CoD

haven't bought a BP there since WZ1 with actual cash

[restive plover]

i got a free one in fn from waiting and get v bucks every szn

i haven't spent money on games since old old fortnite

[rain cloak]

Anyway this is the weapons and gadgets channel.

I want to see a repulsion weapon of some sort, to knock back enemies a bit. Doesn't have to be extreme distance but a little boop would be cool.

[restive plover]

hope one of these ideas work

[hallow leaf]

would love something like that as an ability for medium

[rain cloak]

Ya some sort of knockback ability seems like it would fit well with the destruction. Maybe it could have extra damage to the environment so you could break walls with it.

Just as a side note I think making vents more of a thing would be cool too, like a light only route around the map.

[bleak drum]

Day 17 BUFF FLAMETHROWER

So fun to use but the flames are so inconsistent either need longer after burn more damage or more range

[soft juniper]

I think Flamethrower is fine I have no issues using it against players

Honestly your only enemy is people at far distances or Heavy’s with Hammer

[golden adder]

Medium shouldn’t be able to break walls easily.

And a boop would be abused to interrupt cashout steals without committing to a fight. Would get very annoying