easter-eggs

[gloomy anvil]

(For context all the other clues in WRD3HM point to 19 or 3)

[dusk siren]

Nice... So if the clue is RA itself, is that hinting at the Egyption god Ra, or are there other connections that you're thinking of?

[opaque thistle]

lucy in the sky with the diamonds is a pretty interesting point
Lucy from the Lucy and Psyche of the discovery program has an interesting reference to it, with the wiki saying "The hominid was named after the 1967 Beatles song "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
and testimony from lennon saying "he had intended it as a drug song,[3][4] and attributed the song's fantastical imagery to his reading of Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland books"

[silk wolf]

Well all I know is that whatever the middle pyramid is at Giza, that’s our answer

[neon burrow]

Ok, quick question in case someone has a direct link, Nozomi / Citadel Nama Tama EE?

[fresh quiver]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1381733504718606496

[unkempt dune]

that's probably the closest you'll get to a "direct link" for it

[neon burrow]

Yins the best

🩷

[faint rivet]

Aw yiss. The good old days.

[neon burrow]

What did you get for completing it?

[unkempt dune]

it's presumably not completed

well, the ticket is complete, the machines say so

but it only says the ticket hunt is complete, which does leave the door open for there to be more

[neon burrow]

Thats true.

How are you supposed to have time for more?

[white patrol]

I'm thinking one of lead we extracted "null/emptiness"
might points to number zero?

which is an egg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0

[silk wolf]

I think I get it now

When you enter an arena, you’re being born by seeing the light and you gotta fight to be born

[vagrant mauve]

We just scratched the surface... Is there like a jingle or something that plays when you finish it? Maybe the "scratch" is like a record scratch. Some kind of artifact in the jingle that could be a hint?

[surreal sinew]

That’s an inane thought

But we never know

[dawn crater]

is this new or am I late to the party?

[unkempt dune]

about ten seasons late

was found during the CB2

[dawn crater]

bro what

ok thats wild

[dawn crater]

oh wild

Woulda loved being in CB

Sadly I joined in OB

[white patrol]

Found something interesting..?
There's a steakhouse in Las Vegas called "Golden Steer" which seem to be the oldest steakhouse in Las Vegas (from what people said online, also the best one there)

The steakhouse's design is similar to our Eastwood Casino (imo)
The building itself also have similar trait: The steakhouse is connected to a taller building (maybe also a hotel), just like Eastwood connects to a Holtow building

[white patrol]

Looking at this because the Casino Eastwood suppose to mirror (Fremont Casino) interiors doesn't really match

[white patrol]

IIRC at some point Eastwood Casino (or Glamora? I couldn't remember) have a picture on the wall, which is a sign says 22 with a bunch of light bulbs surrounding it
While looking at Golden Steer's website, I find this:

Behind The Booth: Frank Sinatra & Booth 22

Frank Sinatra (1915 – 1998) was an iconic American singer, actor, and producer from Hoboken, New Jersey. Known as "Ol' Blue Eyes" and "The Voice," Sinatra's career spanned over six decades, leaving an indelible mark on the world of music and entertainment. With his smooth, velvety voice and unparalleled charisma, he became one of the best-selling music artists of all time, with hits like "My Way," "New York, New York," and "Fly Me to the Moon."

Sinatra's influence extended beyond music into film, where he starred in over 60 movies and won an Academy Award for his performance in "From Here to Eternity" (1953). He embodied the essence of cool and sophistication, leaving an enduring legacy as a cultural icon of the 20th century. Despite his passing in 1998, Sinatra's legacy continues to inspire countless artists and entertainers, ensuring that his legend lives on for generations to come.

Sinatra was also a regular at the Golden Steer. The restaurant was a popular destination for celebrities during the 1950s and 1960s...

https://goldensteer.com/blogs/journal/behind-the-booth-frank-sinatra-booth-22

[gloomy anvil]

For that particular I was just thinking 19 (R 18 + A 1) but Ra has connections to the Egyption God, Radium (88 / STS-88), and more.

[white patrol]

Burrw -> "o" missing -> "o" = "0" -> "0" = egg -> egg missing -> golden Nama Tama/Lost legacy?

[white patrol]

Speaking of gold and burrow
I'm thinking the relation between "gold mining" and "burrow"

(burrw image and gold mine open-pit image comparison)

Idk how a gold mine tunnel would look like, but I'm thinking since they are underground construction tunnel,
there might be similarity between burrow (rabbit hole network) & actual gold mine tunnels

[fresh quiver]

could you stop spamming in every channel?

[robust junco]

Eh

[dusk siren]

intriguing 🙂

[dusk siren]

Okay, so I think I'm gaining an appreciation for your idea...
Quite possibly (even likely?) 3 part or 3 word passwords; 19 letters total

Not to harp on these two ideas I floated recently, but they also have 3 parts (1,2,3; A,B,C; three gold nama tamas) and 19 letters:

• 3 letterboxing/geocaching clues ----> "PerrottPerotGarritt" (the "o" omitted from Garriott is inspired by the "x" in the "xyrr1x2" clue)
• Zarya, 3 dawns, 3 sisters clues ----> "DawnAkatsukiRassvet" (less certain about the order, but possibly should just be put in chronological order like the one above)

To the extent Rob will hint at the idea that a single imagine can contain "all the clues" to figure out a whole tier or level, I could make the argument that both of those sets of clues above line up in various ways with the original Level 3 "Black Knight Nama Tama in Space" image (see THE_FINALS_I_Want_to.png)

* Almost certainly noted by someone else already, but if you parse the filename of the image, it could be read as something like "THE FINALS | One, Two...". In that case, the title of the image also points to Three, 3. It's an absolute shame that the number of characters in "THE_FINALS_I_Want_to" is 20, but it does end in an "o" and there have been several clues that hint at the idea that an "o" could be NULL or is in some sense omitted ("burrw" just one example). Separating out the "o", you do get 19 leading characters in the filename.

[dusk siren]

Re: Possibility that all clues are in one image
Take the following part of the image from Rob.

(1) Letterbox

(2) "Original Can of Beans" geocache

[dusk siren]

(3) Richard Garriott extraterrestrial ISS geocache

[gloomy anvil]

Richard Garriott is interesting

His extraterrestrial geocache was GC1BE91 (19?). He also placed the deepest geocache ever, in the Mariana Trench: GC95P88 (88?).

https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC95P88_challenger-deep-of-the-marianas-trench-at-10-925m

It was placed in 2021 so pretty recent and actually a year after Rob came up with much of the hunt, so maybe not relevant.

[fading vigil]

tried to set the date on my pc somewhere in 1982 or 2087 and run the finals - got an error 🙁 (also win11 dont let to use years above\below 1995-2025)

[dusk siren]

Just to review with people who were here when the burrw.gif analysis was being done:

• 19 frames total
• 3 ellipses visible in each frame expanding outward from the center (specifically, in the first frame where the largest, outermost ellipse finally disappears from the frame, you first get red pixels showing the next ellipse being formed)
  Is this accurate?

[dusk siren]

And there was a "missing frame" hypothesis at one point? (20 - 1 = 19?) #1178137622359593043 message

Flex4d's method: #easter-eggs message

"Missing Frame" and "Missing Ellipse"? (Missing a 20th frame, which is missing a 3rd ellipse?)

[woeful cipher]

👀

[robust junco]

👀

[dusk siren]

Search doesn't turn up anything on "golden ellipse"...
I know that some of the stuff from back in the day points to passwords, tiers, and levels that have already been solved (like the whole "golden egg" level), but might still be worth seeing if these are "golden ellipses" in the GIF (in at least one of the frames, perhaps). https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2024/10/10/golden-ellipse/

I tried to eyeball it in a simple drawing app (cuz I'm not good with gramphics) and got something quite close to ~1.6, but I'd say it was still shy of the golden ratio, ~1.618.

This from that guy's blog post is kinda suggestive

Sorry if this has been covered...
Anyone curious how the burrw.gif thread led to this investigation into the golden ratio, "blame" SuitablyOdd, who said at the time of Rob's first burrw.gif hint (the Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis one) that he didn't know how to square it with this other hint from Rob about "Five Truths" that was provided only a couple of months previously.
One association was with Sir Gawain and the Five Knightly Virtues, but there were associations with other traditions, also. Several of these involved pentagrams, and I then noticed a source claiming that parts of a pentagram obey the golden ratio.

And sorry to go on further, but I feel I'd be remiss not to mention that a google search for "golden ellipse" also highlighted a work of Minoan art that is supposedly both in the shape of a golden ellipse, but also literally an ellipse made of gold (or that's what I'm surmising).
Minoan Art -----> KALYDON (the Crete reference; not the boar reference) and AEGEAN (e.g., Aegean Art)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_seals

[dusk siren]

Re: MultiCo files
Was any consensus ever formed on these 11 lines?

[unkempt dune]

nope

nothing has been figured out about them

[dusk siren]

Just to suggest that they could satisfy the criterion of 3 parts and 19 characters if, for the codes at the end:
(1) At a minimum, the 2nd and 7th lines included redacted leading characters; and
(2) The dashes represented some unknown string of 1 or more digits

Have noooooooo clue how one would translate digits, obviously, so merely a coincidence at this point

7th line is a problem, though. The redaction seems like it probably leaves too much space to the leading "1"

[rotund swan]

there is a concrete bucket with text on it but i dont have image perm its in bernal

i think its in greek

[harsh nebula]

Ive had my guesses that the 11 redacted lines could be maps and the numbers that follow are the xyz coordinates on the digital map itself, but i dont think there are 11 finals maps that would fit into the redacted lines and the 9th lines redacted word ends with e

I thought maybe they are all the nations that departed earth but i have no evidence either for that

[rotund swan]

do you know how i can get image perms i have a lot of info on the sys horizen easter egg

ive been searching for a while

[harsh nebula]

U need a higher server level but u can send them to me in dms too if youd like, im pretty interested

[rotund swan]

im going to make a google doc

me and some friends have been searching constantly

we technicly found the room

[harsh nebula]

The secret sys room?

[rotund swan]

almost compleley sure

not the enterance but the location

out of bounds

i have screenshots

[harsh nebula]

I would love to see these

[rotund swan]

i have watched every rob video where he references the room and ive tried 100s of different things

after the match im in ill start compiling info in a doc

[silk wolf]

Are you talking about the black box out of bounds from the map?

[rotund swan]

No

also they removed the ladder that was out of bounds so it was a dev mistake

[fading vigil]

9th string looks like "Home" for me

[dusk siren]

I had two thoughts, but my main observation was the 3 parts and potential for 19 characters and didn't want to speculate beyond that. Obviously, I was kind of implying that nine of the eleven could correspond to the nine X's on the Level 3 landing page. Otherwise, if I had to throw out a sensible set of 11 elements in the context of what I've seen to date, maybe I'd go with "Sun (O) - the eight official planets - Pluto (it "is" a planet) - and Planet X" 🤷

[dusk siren]

Like I said, I don't think I should be speculating because I've missed so much of the hunt, but if I had to connect the "Home" idea to the one I just threw out there about the planets...
9th line is 3rd from bottom, so maybe
...
9) Home (i.e., Earth)
10) some reference to Venus
11) some reference to Mercury
...
Anyway, that "Home" idea is helpful and interesting, even if my planets idea is way off base

[rotund swan]

look in DM

setting up document now

[dusk siren]

Have to check out for the holidays (happy holidays, everyone 🥂 ), but a parting thought.
What if you try to pronounce “burrw” phonetically?

burrw -----> burrrr-oo ----> brrr-oo ----> brú = “bridge” in Icelandic and Old Norse

In the context of the burrw GIF, perhaps we could investigate:

• Ásbrú (Old Norse "Æsir's bridge," which Heimdall guards; see Bifröst) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifröst
• Wormholes (e.g., Einstein-Rosen bridges) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole
• Any other ideas people might have

* Note that Heimdall was the name of the archaeologist working in the cave in Iceland in Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, the first clue Rob dropped in the actual "burrw GIF analysis" thread. Heimdall was never eyed, though my theory is that Rob’s follow-up “...aaaaaaaand...” hint might instead have been a clue for something like “Enhanced Edition ‘talkie’ CD-ROM” (i.e., the full title would be "Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Enhanced Edition 'talkie' CD-ROM", or something like that). From there, I don’t know... synthesized voices in video games, maybe (e.g., Stratovox or Berserk). Alternatively, the "...aaaaaaand..." was just another hint that there is always some "secret third thing" in this hunt (e.g., 1,2,3). I'm assuming we never did get to the bottom of the Indiana Jones clue, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
** EDIT: Sorry, the motivation behind that last idea was the reference to the Yamaha sound chip for the Sega Saturn hidden in the GIF. I'm adding this bit because one other possible "bridge" that might be relevant that I came across was an "audio bridge" (whatever that is).

[dusk siren]

Thank you, great to hear!
My only question is whether you can throw a gateway in wherever you have in mind.
I can't shake the feeling that the gateway is at least part of the trick to getting in an otherwise inaccessible place (not that the gateway idea aligns especially well with Rob's "science is fun when you know the secret", but everything else I've heard Rob hint about re: a hidden room on SYS feels like it would fit well with a gateway).

[rotund swan]

agreed but no i think it will open a custom gateway when the puzzle is broken there is no way to cheat ive spent over 50 hours just trying to get out of bounds and i have learned a lot on how they work im also an experienced unreal engine dev so i have a few thoughts on how the borders are made since even when noclipping to the other side of the map border using a method i wont leak it will still throw you back after 1-2 seconds

[dusk siren]

I'm a bit confused, are you saying the secret room is out of bounds? You just said it's not.
You know what, I should just wait for you to post it.
Again, thanks. 🙂

[rotund swan]

i didnt mean to say that if i did i got dyslexia and its hard to read your message

i think it has to be i or someone else would have found it

[dusk siren]

hmm... I guess Rob did point at those colored lights at the edge of the map

[rotund swan]

yes he did he wondered why nobody is looking at them

[dusk siren]

I just assumed it would be inbounds but you're talking sense about it not being found yet

Anyway, looking forward to what you post

[rotund swan]

could anyone add me in the finals so i can do some recording on what i have found regarding the secret room i cant private match alone and my friends are not online

[fading vigil]

can you give me a link to your doc too?

[rotund swan]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AN5Rfn9fgIfd_NdMBu9MB4JZ5LnYqyr6Zk3hD0ETMZA/edit?usp=sharing

just made it will do more once i can record

[livid plover]

i can help

[rotund swan]

im not sure if all you need is the id but its in that message

[livid plover]

all good

[livid plover]

i sent you a friend rq

[rotund swan]

DM

[fading vigil]

JFYI - we DO NOT need any clues found via bugs, searching out of bounds or any sort of datamining

[odd sequoia]

I thought the rule was we didn’t need to go out of bounds? There’s definitely clues intentionally visible out of bounds to see from within bounds.

[rotund swan]

exactly

ive got a 25 minute recording of the entire out of bounds

there is a lot more i have found in bounds as well

has anyone talked about how the large sphere has a cylinder carved into the bottom of it?

[hard current]

?

[rotund swan]

it is intentional 100%

in sys horizen

[hard current]

on sys horizon?

I don't recall seeing a cylinder..

[rotund swan]

go in rn

i with i could send screenshots

also they removed the ladder that was out of bounds people thought was the exit so it was indeed just a unuesed asset

[hard current]

yeah out of bounds stuff we don't pay attention to 🙂 it's technically not in the spirit of the hunt

are you in a private match rn?

[rotund swan]

just left

[hard current]

S2KI

Show me some of the things you’re talking about?

[rotund swan]

wdym

[hard current]

Join my private match, show me the cylinder and stuff on sys? If you’re willing!

[rotund swan]

is S2KI your username?

[hard current]

Nope that’s the code to join!

[rotund swan]

ok

[hard current]

It’s the lobby id

@rotund swan do you know how to join private lobbies?

[rotund swan]

yes had to restart the finals

put me in other team

nvm

[hard current]

Oop yeah too late

[odd sequoia]

I think they mean the giant silver ball has a hole in the bottom if you tip it over

[rotund swan]

that would be a easy way of saying it yes

you got to thing someone spent time out of there day doing that

and hardely anyone will ever see it

[hard current]

interesting thing I just thought about regarding 2 clues for level 3

aphelion of earth -> farthest point from the sun
apollo x -> apollo -> god of the sun

probably not anything special but

[molten bridge]

the apollo program got us to the moon

there might or might not be a connection

just my take

[hard current]

esperanto

ignore me, just putting this here in case it comes up in the future

[royal geyser]

has anyone ever tried to teamwipe the red guys in the practice room? like kill all of them at the same time

[obsidian tendon]

Have y’all been getting glitchy Scotty and June voice lines?

Maybe this is a thing and I’m just unobservant

[hard current]

yeah we've heard them lots before!

I think they realllyyy only happen on sys horizon iirc?

which makes sense since it's a CNS map

I wonder if rob was referencing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=momANbg3blw

Future Crew won this demo scene competition

Second Reality (originally titled Unreal ][ - The 2nd Reality) is an IBM PC compatible demo created by the Finnish group Future Crew. It debuted at the Assembly 1993 demoparty on 30 July 1993,[1] where it was entered into the PC demo competition, and finished in first place with its demonstration of 2D and 3D computer graphics rendering.[2] The demo was released to the public in October 1993.

It is considered to be one of the best demos created during the early 1990s on the PC; in 1999 Slashdot voted it one of the "Top 10 Hacks of All Time".[3] Its source code was released in a GitHub repository as public domain software using the Unlicense[4] on the 20th anniversary of the release in August 2013.[5]

[obsidian tendon]

I’ve been getting them everywhere on world tour

[hard current]

ah gotcha, yeah my guess is it's likely more #📕┇lore related!

[thorn kestrel]

its been a thing for a while since sys launched

[rotund swan]

I have made a google document with all of the confirmed information about the Secret Room In SYS$HORIZON hopefully this will revive the search. Not everything is included since again I'm only posting what is confirmed to be true by Embark members if I'm missing anything please let me know I'm still working on it. If you join this you will be completely anonymous and you can only read the document - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AN5Rfn9fgIfd_NdMBu9MB4JZ5LnYqyr6Zk3hD0ETMZA/edit?usp=sharing

[hard current]

huh, I never saw that comment from rob about the markings on the wall

imo, if the secret room is anything, it'd start there based on his comment

[rotund swan]

I have

[rotund swan]

there is nothing behind that wall or around and to my knowledge there is literally no way to interact with them.

[hard current]

how did we never make this connection..

Lost in Space -> Starship Europa

Aegean -> Sea

Europa -> It is common in ancient Greek mythology and geography to identify lands or rivers with female figures. Thus, Europa is first used in a geographic context in the Homeric Hymn to Delian Apollo, in reference to the western shore of the Aegean Sea.

would be an incredible coincidence lol

[hard current]

surely there's a connection between aegean and herodotus..

well he was born on the northwestern shore of it

[hard current]

Gah.. probably nothing

123

ABC

-> Alphabetical?

Sliescetaceaasconce

a, a, a, c, c, e, e, e, i, l, n, o, s, s, s, t

ACEILNOST

COASTLINE

[opaque thistle]

ooooo

[alpine junco]

we still have this glitch cluster

[broken fjord]

yeah out of bounds stuff we don't pay attention to 🙂 it's technically not in the spirit of the hunt
are you in a private match rn?

[gloomy anvil]

Nama had a halo in this level 1 image. Was that ever figured out as a clue?

Maybe it just followed the idea of the "friend you need" image being a sort of angel/savior for stuck hunters?

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[agile wren]

Huh from cns with love

[gloomy anvil]

3 dawns, created by the Sun (which we can consider a representation of 19), so another 19 in 3 parts?

[gloomy anvil]

The first major rock and roll concert is considered to be the 'Moondog Corination Ball' held on March 21, 1952 -- March 21st = 3/21 ?

also

Maybe "325" (T1D's first clue) might've also been a pointer to that, as the password was all about ovals and the shape of an egg.

[forest basin]

ю

[crude obsidian]

че за ю

[spring thistle]

Hey, can I get a photo?
Alright
(Smile?)
Oh I love you.
Thank you.

Has anyone else attempted to make out what this voice says?

[worn rivet]

That's probably it

I hear the same

[alpine junco]

Was going down a wiki rabbit hole (doom scrolling greek mythology), theres an epic poem called Argonautica by Apollonius of Rhodes and it’s name reminded me of argon + nautical

[neat dew]

Any new easter eggs on the new map ?

[white kindle]

I was wondering this too.

@crisp eagle Psssssst Maybe you know.. >.> Also Hi!

[crisp eagle]

HeyGirlHey! @neat dew I haven't seen much chatter about it myself yet, but someone else in here might know. My main focus has been on L3 of The Big Whoop, if you know about it. We do have a thread for the new map though:
https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1448403604733034577

[white kindle]

Ooho thanks! didn't see that thread

[hard current]

Waterdance is here no way!!

[fluid iron]

How can I contact the creator or who I can inform about the Easter egg that we completed some friends?

[hard current]

@fluid iron ooo what easter egg???

technically Rob from Embark runs all the ee's, what did you guys do?

I might be able to tell you more information about it, and if it's completed, or maybe you guys discovered something we've never heard of...

outside of that, maybe contact @gloomy anvil ?

[white patrol]

You can DM me if you don't have video/image perms :3 I will forward it for ya

[hard current]

Rob, is this level supposed to feel like it's directionless?

I feel like all of our clues point in so many different directions

[surreal sinew]

what did you figure out

[dull marsh]

That's just us being blind lol

[low escarp]

i dont know what all the hints point to cuz i cant remember most of them

[fallen summit]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/o9rqxn7m55U THEIR TAUNTING US NOT BEING ABLE TO SOLVE THE CANNON EE

[unborn pilot]

XXXX-XX-XX or is it 1X2X-RR-XY...

looking at it differently now

like he filled in some of the Xs for us.

[gloomy anvil]

Rob's clue there was 'XY RR 1X2' though, should note

rather than 1X2X

Interesting thought about having Xs be effectively blanks that need filling in. That could track with "14XX0176XX0002XX 23XXX0176XX0002XXX".

[odd sequoia]

Did anyone ever find out what that person completed?

[dull marsh]

ok so

I think I may have found a couple of things about the burrw gif

[surreal sinew]

tell us ludo feed us

[surreal sinew]

dont think so

[odd sequoia]

Fair, thank you!

[surreal sinew]

fair?

[odd sequoia]

Oh I just mean like…it is what it is. I’ll wait and see what comes of it lol

[dull marsh]

Ok so a few things that I think are correct from the burrw gif:

• YMF292 = Sega Saturn (we already had that)

• the gif has 19 frames = 19 = sun

• the gif is 0.57s = Euler's constant (0.57721...)

(not Euler's number e!)

• 1997122 = Dec 2 1997 = Doom 64 release

• looks like a Pulsar = JBB

• X marks the spot = 7 (at the center)

Now we go into the fun part 😄

[fresh quiver]

As for now looks promising

[dull marsh]

• YMF292 is the SOUND chip of Sega Saturn

[odd sequoia]

Hey not sure if this helps but also December 2nd 1997 NASA released a time-lapse video showing gas clouds exploding from the black hole Micro-Quasar GRS1915, traveling at near light speed.

[dull marsh]

• Doom64 OST was made by Aubrey Hodges, also known as Ken "Razor" Richmond

Both of those relate to sound (not the strongest connection tbh)

Do you guys remember this?

Please tell me, what is ASCII 7? 🤔

[fresh quiver]

connected through Razor to 1911. like it

[dull marsh]

ascii 7...

[fresh quiver]

BEL

[dull marsh]

• In Baudot Code, basically the ancestor of ASCII, characters were associated to a symbol

What was associated with 7 BEL?

It's Ю

(cyrillic Ю)

• There is the Black Knight pinball, made by Williams, which had a bell instead of a knocker

Can someone remind me what song was leaked by CNS prior so Season 2?

[fresh quiver]

havent they leaked 2 songs?

[dull marsh]

hmm, there was floating bits I think, and another one

[fresh quiver]

i think too

[dull marsh]

iirc it was xX_TF_CNS_FreeDoom_Ver07_24bit_Wav_Xx

The Freedoom project aims to provide all the content needed to form a complete, entirely free/libre game for the Doom engine.

ALSO

Do you remember what the 4 numbers on the SYS$Horizon buildings are?

the numbers 2, 4, 0 and 7

same as in the song title

and now, you will NEVER guess

what is Unicode 0x2407? 😄

[fresh quiver]

No. you are kidding me 😂😂
Thats a good find

[dull marsh]

https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2407

Ok so we have:

• 7 = bell
• pulsar = JBB = Bell
• FreeDoom07_24 and SYS$Horizon buildings = 2407 = Bell
• Ю = Bell
• Black Knight = Bell (probably a million other things tho)

So now let's look at another angle

• YMF292 = Sega Saturn = Saturn = ∅

(PTSD intensifies)

Doom 64 was released for PAL on Dec 2 1997

But for NA, it was released on April 4 1997

• April 4 = 404 = ∅

The whole GIF can totally be seen as rings = ∅

[fresh quiver]

Also the both Nama images we got: Nama 404 and Nama ∅
iirc?

[dull marsh]

And this is when the very fun part arrives

So we have the following:

• sun
• euler
• bell
• ∅

I googled "sun euler bell" and found the following:

The sun, wrote Euler, was "a bell ringing out light."

This is Euler talking about the Ether, which was believed to be the medium for light to go through space

Ether or Aether:

• Similar ethymology as "Aithusa" (ai = burning)
• One of Mendeleev predictions
• In Greek mythology, the Cosmic Egg was set into Aether
• George Francis FitzGerald (this name was 'd) contributed to Lorentz ether theory

NThe name Lorentz could relate to filez

[fresh quiver]

and finding this you will find a paper where also stands "James Bradleys calculation of the velocity of light in 1727.
Searching for this in google will bring you to the wiki page of "Rømer's determination of the speed of light"

Which also again has a ∅

(just to throw my now findings here while checking what you tell us :D)

[dull marsh]

So far I'm not finding much strong connection with STS-88, ISS and Black Knight, but it looks like it's going somewhere 🤔

[fresh quiver]

just let us follow this further.

If you get to Rømer's determination of the speed of light.
You can get to Giovanni Domenico Cassini.
Both Cassini Probes were launched by STS rockets

[dull marsh]

I've added the stuff to Miro in case, could be moved somewhere else probably https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVK0idxbU=/?moveToWidget=3458764653347280845&cot=14

Also:

• burrw = missing o/empty = ∅

[white patrol]

oooooooooo

[fresh quiver]

also something I just now found on Romers determination of light.

Jupiters Moon "Io"

also:

For about four months before the opposition (from F to G), immersions of Io into Jupiter's shadow can be observed, and about four months after the opposition of Jupiter (from L to K in the diagram below), emergences of Io from its eclipses can be observed.

6 = F
6 = G

Io suddenly disappears, as it moves into the shadow of Jupiter. This is termed an immersion.

404 / ø

Io was also dicovered by Galileo in January 1610

[dull marsh]

There's one weak connection with music and sound which is that Euler's constant is about harmonic series, and the Thermal Blanket page is linked to the ISS Harmony module page, which is Node 2 of the ISS where the astronauts sleep

[fresh quiver]

Node2 design is also based on the existing Multi-Purpose Logistics Module "Columbus"

Expedition 16.

16 for Hex
and the usual matrix clue again

[fresh quiver]

?????

And why linking a steam profile?

@gloomy anvil @unkempt crypt can we get this deleted?

what he wrote and whats written on the steamprofile reads for me like spreading conspiracies

[robust junco]

?

[dusk shell]

I haven't been paying much attention to the finals recently whats going on with the Easter egg. I had a look at what your are talking about and it's seems you are focusing on satellites

[fresh quiver]

it was hate spreading against a certain group of people

[dull marsh]

That's the big EE hunt, it's a gigantic puzzle, there's a lot of infos to start in #egg-hunt-onboarding

[dusk shell]

Oh yes I had done somethings for this in the past but had forgotten about the big conspiracy board

I did somethings for the secret room on sys horizon

[unborn pilot]

Good old 0247/2407! We never found “47.” in Burrw did we? #1178137622359593043 message

[dull marsh]

I think 47 was a clue for /, being a URL, but it easily connect to other parts

[unborn pilot]

Definitely

[dull marsh]

good ol' O + / = ∅

[dusk siren]

Re: "I, We, Who, 1, 2, 3" and IBM supercomputer ThamesBlue -> London Blue??
Searched "London Blue" and got to London Blue topaz and gemstone irradiation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemstone_irradiation

Amazing work on burrw, btw!

[crisp relic]

What easter has egged

[fresh quiver]

#egg-hunt-onboarding

[dusk siren]

Trying to make a bell + Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis connection given Rob's early Indiana Jones clue in the "burrw GIF" thread. Turned up four ideas so far:

• Hollow Earth theory (associated with both Atlantis and the bell tower on Station Island, which sits atop a cave entrance)
• Bell Beaker culture (sometimes conflated with Atlantis, featuring bell-shaped pottery, and the subject of debates on historical migratory waves; see also archaeological references to the Aegean, Stone Henge, et al.)
• Minoan eruption (literally conflated with "the fate of Atlantis", with associations to volcanic eruptions as causing the atmosphere to "ring like a bell"; see also the Aegean, Kalydon, and Herodotus clues, which would be directly relevant to the Minoan eruption)
• Gertrude Bell (sometimes compared to Indiana Jones)
  I like the Hollow Earth idea given the cave leading down to purgatory and "burrow" association, but the Hollow Earth theory was mentioned back in January 2023 and was never eyed.
  The Bell Beaker culture and Minoan eruption ideas might be new, at least.
  Hope you come up with something better than these, though.

One other parallel between Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis and the Minoan eruption that may be too vague to be of significance. (Unfortunately, the association between volcanic eruptions and causing the atmosphere to "ring like a bell" probably the weakest "bell" connection of the ones listed above.)

The "atmosphere ringing like a bell" idea goes back to, separately, Laplace and the Royal Society of London's study on the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883. E.g., an except of the report commissioned by the Royal Society.

[dusk siren]

Probably drifting too far from "bell," "∅," and Io, but if volcanism was somehow related to the burrw GIF, Io is notorious for its volcanism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanism_on_Io

[dusk siren]

Almost certainly a coincidence, but unicode and the digits 2, 4, 0 and 7 did make me think of unicode character 0x274C, ❌ , simply because Rob seemed to harp on it that one time.

[fresh quiver]

tbh cant be coincidence

good find

[dusk siren]

Also, a couple "274" facts that may have gone unnoticed so far based on a search of this channel:

• Saturn has 274 known satellites with formal designations
• Like an "X" has two strokes (or like it can be formed by crossing 2 swords, etc., etc.), if you divide 274 by 2 you get 274/2 = 137. The number 137 has already had a large significance in the hunt so far. Not sure if it means anything for Level 3 and going forward, but again, not sure the connection between 137 and 274 was fully explored yet.

[white matrix]

guys, is cns coming back

[dusk siren]

Re: "I, We, Who, 1, 2, 3" and IBM supercomputer ThamesBlue -> London Blue??
A similar search turned up another idea relating to "London Blue" that could fit this kind of puzzle, which are the London blue plaques (i.e., commemorative blue plaques for notable locations in this case restricted to London). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_plaque

I'm partial to the irradiated London Blue topaz, myself, but most likely of all is that neither is the clue that follows on from "I WE WHO TWO THREE"

Edgar Wallace's home is London blue plaque no. 123

"Wallace's great-grandfather was entertainer James Henry Marriott, and his grandmother was actress Alice Marriott. Wallace was born at 7 Ashburnham Grove, Greenwich, to actors Richard Horatio Marriott Edgar (1847–1894) and Mary Jane "Polly" Richards, née Blair (born 1843)."
* Noting this since, after Richard Garriott, I wondered if there was a Marriott who could also be a good candidate for "xyrr1x2"

Low, low, low probability, but Edgar Wallace is a very interesting guy if anyone is curious with a prolific output of novels, poetry, non-fiction, plays, short stories, and screenplays, including the first draft of King Kong. This bit about his science fiction stories is kind of provocative, but at the rabbit hole stage for sure.

All the stuff around Planetoid 127 is really interesting if you read the blurb above - and like so many numbers, 127 has come up in the past and not obviously led to anything - but the "123" plaque reference number is a bit dubious, as it is not an official English Heritage designation. 😔

James Henry Marriott (a potential "xyrr1x2"??) was the first optics professional in New Zealand to make a telescope, and was the father of actress Alice Marriott who was known for playing Hamlet in doublet and hose.

[white patrol]

xy - cords
rr - railroads?

1x2

[dusk siren]

yeah, maybe, for sure

Talking ThamesBlue a bit more literally and looking for a River Thames blue plaque, this tablet at Ratcliff Cross (❌ = "cross mark") is included in the list and the only specific "River Thames" reference in the list.

Note the names of the navigators Stephen Borough and William Borough and the association with "burrw".

Stephen Borough discovered the Kara Strait and "was one of the earliest English practitioners of the new scientific methods of navigation." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Borough

William Borough sailed with Sir Francis Drake, who was famous for circumnavigating the globe on the Golden Hind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Borough

Frobisher and Willoughby are also interesting.

[hot sphinx]

@mossy patrol I can't reply on the channel but I'm available if you still need someone to start a private lobby

[mossy patrol]

Still available?

[hot sphinx]

I can AFK yep

[mossy patrol]

TH49

[rotund swan]

why are they a bunch of generators in monoco below the map?

[fading vigil]

Stop exploring OOB, it’s not that we need

[crisp eagle]

Alexander Graham Bell was famous for his work with sound.

[hard current]

Haha I remember when we had that

[alpine junco]

was thinking that the ee on fortune is a jumping puzzle and you need to get to each sector in order

[hard current]

Potentch

[dusk siren]

One important place that Euler's constant shows up is in quantum physics (my impression that Euler's constant is used in the regularization/renormalization of the harmonic series as a finite value). Quantum physics is where you also find Bell's theorem and Bell's spaceship paradox. Bell's theorem is especially important, and related to quantum entanglement, hidden variables, and the original Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (EPR) paradox.

[fading vigil]

Tried to lay a route 1-6-1 but using jumpers only once..

[dusk siren]

There are some other potentially interesting "57" connections that could be additional and not mutually exclusive:

• Various "57 kHz" connections, with one example being 57 kHz subcarriers for embedding small amounts of digital information in conventional FM radio broadcasts, such as in the Radio Data System (RDS) protocol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System
• Heinz "57 varieties" ~ the "Original Can of Beans" geocache

[silk wolf]

i doubt you'll find anything tbh

[dull marsh]

Sorry I deleted your message, we are telling you we don't use OOB for EE hunt, you can explore on your side if you want but please do not force your findings onto people that don't wanna use them (although I understand it can be really fun to explore )

[rotund swan]

please add solo private matches I don't understand why I can't start a private solo when I can start it with 2 people on the same team🙏

[dull marsh]

I'm not a dev I don't decide that 😄

If you want to find other people to EE hunt you can use #1217498821563514951

[silk wolf]

I think those MultiCo files still have so much we can try and crack

The OG Reddit posts have their titles mirrored

[hard current]

Yep and we know there are more files hidden on the internet

Where they are though, @unborn pilot tried for a long time to find them I think

I still think it has to do with overlaying images on each other

[severe creek]

I just briefly looked up if QR codes could be overlapped to create a new code, and saw this post on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/s/KKHgVQdhYE

what's most curious is that the user is u/onesolo1 (Rob has given us uno uno uno and 111 before as hints). I don't think the account is his, but too likely of a coincidence

[hard current]

It’s def not his because of the post history but interesting concept

It’s possible, I just have no photoshop/gimp skills at all

I wish we had like some ps wizards in here

[dull marsh]

I honestly went from zero to having decent skills in photoshop just thanks to this hunt 😄

[severe creek]

ive learned more than I ever thought I would so far through this. it would make somewhat sense considering we keep getting QR codes for holtow's website

[unborn pilot]

on that server rob posted a picture of im guessing

[unborn pilot]

we likely need an IP address or a phone number, but i've never seen either

[turbid tinsel]

its probably to save cost since everything is server based

[rotund swan]

but you can still do it with 2 people on the same team

and i see people in here constantly asking for someone to join them so they can start a private match

it just seems like the next step

[turbid tinsel]

the idea is it its one less server being opened if i had to guess, so its less on the costs. maybe if the game gets more of a player base i could see that but for now better to save costs as its not necessary atm

[silk wolf]

Has anyone mapped the xyz coordinates from the second page of the MultiCo files?

[dusk siren]

One possible path given burrw GIF clues thus far, leaning heavily on Ludonope's recent posts

• 57 -> Euler constant
• bell -> Bell's theorem
• -> quantum physics
• -> wave functions
• 'burrw' -> quantum tunneling
• crystal detectors, diodes, semiconductors, Bell Labs, AT&T 'Skyway' microwave wireless network, YMF292, others

[silk wolf]

Have we found the hi res burrw gif?

[dusk siren]

Another possible path given burrw GIF clues thus far, leaning heavily on Ludonope's recent posts

• bell + 57 -> Bell Labs, 1957, NYC
• -> Max Matthews MUSIC computer music program for the IBM 704
• -> "The Silver Scale" (1957), 17s composition by Newman Guttman first played
• -> "Daisy Bell" (1961), first computer to "sing" on an IBM 7094, Arthur C. Clarke in attendance
• -> Kubrick, 2001: A Space Odyssey, HAL 9000 sings "Daisy Bell (Bicycle Built for Two)", Also sprach Zarathustra, Op. 30, 1. "Sonnenaufgang" (Sunrise), Strauss
• YMF292 -> computer music and computer sound
• Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis video game, Rob: "...aaaaand..." -> "talkie" Enhanced Edition CD-ROM with recorded dialogue
• The GIF accompanied by a sound clip(?), the GIF suggesting sound waves, others

As for Rob saying "...aaaaaand..." after dropping his initial clue about the Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis video game, I did stumble on a very unlikely connection I might as well post, which follows from interpreting each "..." in Rob's post as an "s" in Morse code.

[white patrol]

when did rob drop atlantis clue tom? what was it for?

[silk wolf]

Somewhere in the burrw gif thread

[dusk siren]

You would get "Saaaaaands" and there is a legendary lost place referred to as "Atlantis of the Sands". Typical array of random connections and associations to other clues we've seen (meteorite impact; T.E. Lawrence?), but it doesn't seem terribly promising https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis_of_the_Sands

I'll link it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3bPY6i8vJE

Curiously, the clip starts with what sounds like the computer delivering Hamlet's "To be or not to be" soliloquy before finally breaking into song.

Max Matthews also relied on technology developed by John Kelly, Carol Lochbaum, Joan Miller and Lou Gerstman of Bell Laboratories to produce the computer-synthesized human voice in the performance of "Daisy Bell (Bicycle Built for Two)", in case any of those people are significant.

[silk wolf]

At some point he did ask if we ever found a connection to "Descartes, Euclid, and Jean-Dominique Cassini?"

[dusk siren]

This with regard to the burrw GIF?

[silk wolf]

to oval

I'm looking through this thing ill send what im reading

He also said that evrything in the finals universe isnt "simple"

makes us ask what a map, water and life is

#1178137622359593043 message

[dusk siren]

In case anyone is curious about the 1957 sound clip and the composition titled "The Silver Scale" (ngl, it did make me think of "The Silver Kid" S8 track, but I know that's gotta be too far, even for me) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM64-lqYyZ8

[dusk siren]

Nice, thx

[silk wolf]

There's a couple of things he said i feel we're overlooking and need to revisit

He said that Saturn represents the ø and Leaning tower of Pizza represents /

[dusk siren]

Def a Galileo's telescope reference?

[silk wolf]

Nah i think its just the study of ovals tbh

[dusk siren]

My thinking was the "/" looks like a telescope. Galileo did the famous Leaning Tower of Pisa experiment. Galileo was the first person to see Saturn with a telescope. But I'll go back to the Descartes, Euclid, and Cassini clue

* Surely not an original interpretation, but I'm not gonna look back right now

[silk wolf]

Cassini became the first director of the Paris Observatory (founded 1667). In this role, he utilized the exact scientific method and algebraic tools championed by Descartes to map France and discover the moons of Saturn.

That's one of the things Gemini gave me and the saturn part is surely interesting

[dusk siren]

If by "Gemini" you are referring to AI, the rules for this particular hunt is no use of AI. Sorry in advance if I'm being presumptuous, though.

[silk wolf]

Ah damn thats my bad

If it makes you feel any better I still don't know what any of this means 🥲

[dusk siren]

no worries! I'm just grateful to have someone else looking into this stuff. I imagine others here are, as well

That was an old Rob post, so at least one connection between "burrow" and "transistor radio"

The first working transistor device was produced at Bell Labs

The Sony TR-63, released in 1957, was the first mass-produced transistor radio

Sony was also where the tunnel diode was invented in 1957 and first produced

Quantum tunnelling limits the minimum size of devices used in microelectronics because electrons tunnel readily through insulating layers and transistors that are thinner than about 1 nm (i.e., 10 angstroms).

[dusk siren]

A potentially "obvious" connection from the burrw GIF to red LEDs?
This would be another diode clue from the GIF.

👆 Maybe long since followed up on, but does the "2" here have the makings of the planetary symbol for Jupiter (♃)?
Would mean the burrw GIF has references to at least Jupiter and Saturn (via the YMF292 Sega Saturn chip).

[dusk siren]

Just to recap some other burrw GIF things... (h/t ludonope, RHB, rcade... i could be here all day):

• YMF292 = Sega Saturn = Saturn = ∅
• Perhaps worth a reminder that the "∅" looks like Saturn, with the slash being Saturn's rings seen from the side
• The "YMF292" literally forms a slash (\) through the 3 Os
• The "1997122" literally forms a slash (/) through the 3 Os
• Several "007" hints (including the ring around the title in the GoldenEye logo)
• In languages like Danish and Norwegian the "reverse empty set" symbol will be used, ⦰
• Previously hypothesized that the "7" in the center might represent the 7th planet, Uranus
• "007" would then potentially be Jupiter (0) - Saturn (0) - Uranus (7)
• Previously hypothesized that 0 - ∅ - 0 - ∅ could be Jupiter (0) - Saturn (∅) - Uranus (0) - Neptune (∅) because both Saturn and Neptune have rings and are similarly tilted on their axes
• Perhaps two of the rings in the GIF could be interpreted as one "∅" and one "⦰", creating the appearance of an "✕" when the two symbols are superimposed
• "1997122" the date STS-81 returns from space, the 5th of 9 planned missions to Mir, perhaps another clue for Jupiter in the GIF as the 5th of 9 planets (Pluto IS a planet)
• The effect might be one of a perspective drawing ,with the vanishing point in the center and the rings and the digit "7" representing the superpositioning of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Nepture in alignment.
• Out on a limb that there might be a 2001: A Space Odyssey reference in the overall effect and given a few of the clues (perhaps "Daisy Bell" and Jupiter to give two potentially crucial ones)
  Note: Hopefully at least some of this is not complete rabbit hole stuff.

[crisp eagle]

August 7, 2024 was the date we got past the L3 activation page, right? Not the day we found the activation page.

[dusk siren]

Regarding an alignment of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Nepture, a search turns up the following ideas and facts:

• syzygy
• 1977 alignment, the Voyager missions, the golden records (containing at least two "bells"), and the "Grand Tour"

[surreal sinew]

How did we get a super genius in here where have you been all this time

[dusk siren]

no need for the sarcasm 🙂 ❤️

[surreal sinew]

It’s not legit ur cooking up a storm

Gordon ramsy would be proud

And he is hard to impress

U think u can give smth really hard a shot

Try figuring what the heck this is we found it from the hint rob gave me but that’s it

[dusk siren]

Same article says there's some controversy over whether such planets could have effects on stars like the Sun having to do with something like Rossby waves.

[dusk siren]

Lol... I saw that! I have no clue, though.
Pretty great that you got the clue out of Rob!

[surreal sinew]

I have a pretty good track record with embark but yeah I have no clue what it is

Feels like we need a clue for the clue

[dusk siren]

Didn't he say something at one point how some important clue can be seen every time you open the game?
Is that what this refers to?

[surreal sinew]

But what if There is more hidden in the loading screen what if it’s not new

[surreal sinew]

Idk I believe so this was just smth he told me while i was chatting with him att the major

But yeah he said it stares everyone in the face when we boot up so it’s not the splash text since console doesn’t get it

[dusk siren]

The "bells" on the Voyager golden records were

• The sound of a train (specifically the bell and whistle of a steam locomotive)
• The Mexican song "El Cascabel (The Bell)", recorded circa 1957

[surreal sinew]

Tom just wondering how do you have the time to figure this out and how do u have the braincells are u hoarding them all is that why the rest of us can’t figure it out

[dusk siren]

lmao... by my calculation, I've made exactly one confirmed contribution to the hunt so far over months and months... not even a good one, someone else would have figured it out within the next 5 minutes... most of the people on here are way more impressive and have contributed way more.... eventually you'll figure out whose ideas to pay extra special attention to.... mine are not those.... but thanks... sometimes all it takes is a bit of insomnia (unfortunately)

As for "cascabel" these might be relevant to things we've seen in the game (e.g., cannons) or in battle passes (e.g., Bernal's chilis)

Also short for serpiente de cascabel (“rattlesnake”) or culebra de cascabel (“rattlesnake”), so there is a serpent connection, at least.

[surreal sinew]

What did u manage to do

[dusk siren]

the minimum possible amount 🙂 almost certainly the lowest ratio of good to bad of anyone here
anyway, not sure this is a productive use of this thread, but I appreciate the acknowledgement

[white patrol]

tom it wasn't a sarcasm!! Purp was being genuine there :3

oh my internet lagged that was message from hour ago

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/633515376570793984.webp?size=48

[surreal sinew]

Buh

[crisp eagle]

Tom is back!

He got Rob eyes on finding Herodotus in one of our L3 arts. No small thing since it’s solidified more connections to Silk Road

Which I still obsess over

[alpine junco]

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.79991/page/n2/mode/1up

have we ever looked into his book?

[crisp eagle]

I remember seeing it talked about, but I don’t know how much was read

[surreal sinew]

HOLY SHIT LINK IT RIGHT NOW

[alpine junco]

#1332648610311049287 message

[surreal sinew]

Holy shit w

When was this eyes

Eyed

[alpine junco]

That same day i believe

[surreal sinew]

Damn

[surreal sinew]

Oh wait damn that was a year ago

[alpine junco]

Its been only about 470 days or so

[surreal sinew]

Damn

We need more hints :c

[dusk siren]

Extreme long shot for the following Dusty and Rob clues (assuming they were never definitively solved)
TL;DR: Possible gold rush connection

• Excerpt from TEN THOUSAND MILES WITH A DOG SLED: A NARRATIVE OF WINTER TRAVEL IN INTERIOR ALASKA, BY HUDSON STUCK: "Fairbanks [Alaska] was a different place in 1910 from the centre of feverish trade and feverish vice of 1904-5... when a diamond star was presented to the "chief of police" by the enforced contributions of the prostitutes"
• The Fairbanks Gold Rush was a gold rush that took place in Fairbanks, Alaska, from roughly 1901 to roughly 1910
• Douglas Fairbanks was the first actor to play the masked vigilante Zorro (Guy Williams from Lost in Space was another actor to play Zorro)
• Fairbanks, Alaska railroad history: "After large-scale gold mining began north of Fairbanks, miners wanted to build a railroad from the steamboat docks on the Chena River to the mine sites in the hills north of the city. The result was the Tanana Mines Railroad, which started operations in September 1905, using what had been the first steam locomotive in the Yukon Territory. In 1907, the railroad was reorganized and named the Tanana Valley Railroad."
• Fairbanks is the borough seat of Fairbanks North Star Borough in the U.S. state of Alaska
• Other interesting facts: Hudson Stuck co-led the expedition that was the first to summit Denali, the tallest mountain in North America

[dusk siren]

This was the skin that I thought might have a Yukon gold rush connection.
Some "fact" patterns that could line up:

• Douglas Fairbanks ~ Earle Foxe ~ Donald Crisp ~ Don Q, Son of Zorro (1925) ~ Home, Sweet Home (1914)
• Carved "heart" ~ Carved "fox" ~ Zorro is "fox" in Spanish
• Search for "the vault" ~ Search for "the gold"

[hard current]

That skin highly likely has clues pointing to the location of a golden Nama

Lost legacy finder

[hard current]

I We Who Two Three (one missing)
Kate Terry Beth (one missing) (Kate)
Ed Terry Beth (one missing) (Ed)
Also all are from the movie “missing”

Who am I? The missing one.
Who are we? the 3

Ideas from @unborn pilot

Seem to be clues pointing to… missing

[surreal sinew]

Again with the … what does it mean

[hard current]

Oh the … is me just adding some dramatics!!

[surreal sinew]

…

[hard current]

I don’t think this is going to result in anything really, but herodotus chronicled the legend of Hyperborea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperborea

a “missing” or legendary place in the far north (midnight sun, arctic area)

[unborn pilot]

Good thinking. Let’s keep trying to find the words that fit simply. It’s likely 19 letters total. 5 7 7 letters or mirrored. We ain’t gonna get anywhere unless we type in more passwords 😆

[hard current]

I wish the old hunters were all active still, miss those guys

[unborn pilot]

Well words, numbers, etc.

They are just not non stop as much

[hard current]

I wish Rob would come inject a little hope into us

[unborn pilot]

we are hopeless. back to work now

We’re gonna feel that way when we find out we’ve been saying the password non stop but didn’t enter it correctly

I kinda think the coordinates are viewing locations into space

Just not sure at what they’re looking at or looking for yet. Could be certain constellations/stars visible say Jan 23rd or December 3rd.

[hard current]

Why those dates specifically?

[silk wolf]

What are our biggest leads this level

[eternal violet]

sts-88

[silk wolf]

wait am itrtipping or is the MW page now making the numbers change

Or was it always like that

[hard current]

Always been like that

[silk wolf]

fuuuh

[dull marsh]

1/23 or 12/3

[dull marsh]

Or March 12th (12/3)

[gloomy anvil]

123 (groups of three)
STS-88 - 88 - X - X marks the spot - geolocation / geocaching - coordinates
Golden Nama Tamas, one in Monaco, other two probably in Las Vegas & Kyoto
19 split into 3 parts

[hard current]

I would vote that missing should be there, especially with Ed Terry Beth and Kate all being movie stars for the movie missing 1982

[odd sequoia]

Speaking of Kyoto. I noticed some differences between current Kyoto (snow version) and normal Kyoto. Since Kyoto doesn’t have a special variant like Monaco and Vegas, I’m assuming if she’s there, she’s always present. So maybe we can compare the snow version to the normal and possible rule out places and narrow the search.

I’m still convinced it’ll be found in a spot similar to the rubble on Monaco. Something low, and seemingly indestructible. I say this because the one on Monaco can’t be destroyed or moved. So I don’t think it would be anywhere that would be floating mid air if destroyed. I hope this helps a bit

[silk wolf]

I just saw a YouTube short of someone breaking a gift in Monaco and a rabbit helmet falling out

Idk if it’s known here

https://youtube.com/shorts/w57chkAjz3M?si=zC_QAhFZndwM5E5N

This makes me thing about breaking all the pots to look for seeds or something lol

[hard current]

The Christmas presents have always done that:)

[gloomy anvil]

Yeah I agree on the location. It should be low down, in some rocks or rubble. The map description suggests this.

[odd sequoia]

This makes me happy to see! I’m going to see if I can record as much of snow Kyoto as possible. Sadly it’s only available in live matches and I’d hate to screw over some randoms. I’ll try to find friends to drag with me lol

[rigid adder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/BN9rhdInFH ?

[silk wolf]

I feel like I’ve seen that before

[unkempt dune]

It has been there since the start

[dusk siren]

@dull marsh BEL = Jupiter???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bel_(mythology)

[dusk siren]

Wonder if it's worth people's time to revisit the S3 battle pass descriptions. I recall a bunch of things about "pouncing" and "smashing" that kind of fit with that idea of destroying something to reveal a cache of some kind. Just wondering if, like using the sledgehammer on the Monaco rubble, you need to use a specific specialization, weapon, or gadget (like a Charge and Slam according to some specific formula or something)

The Lost Legacy map that might go with Kyoto has that large "vault" icon in a location that might correspond to the big cliff face below the bell tower and bamboo forest.
OTOH, I'm tired of leading people astray, so if you guys have a better "rocks or rubble," definitely try those first.

[turbid tinsel]

if we need another 57 reference, The singer William Bell was born in 57

[dusk siren]

As for "indestructible," that's why I was so keyed in on the indestructible tree at the edge of the map beneath the cliff, but speaking of changes to Kyoto, last I checked, all the trees there are destructible now. 🤷

[turbid tinsel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bell_(singer)

well he was active from 1957

not born in 57

misread on my part

has a song "born under a bad sign" which could related to a constellation

[rigid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/actor-tom-holland-spiderman-the-fantastic-four-i-had-no-idea-england-gif-9957888316648242083

[crisp eagle]

I’ve already forgotten. What did 1064 have to do with gold again?

Wait I found it. Melting point of gold. 1064c

[crisp eagle]

I’m thinking we might need to look back at previous levels. Mainly 2 obviously since 1 had three passwords and not nearly as many clues. We might need to try to look at everything from the entire Big Whoop as clues to completing L3 especially since we’ve gotten a few repeating things like “GRUK” for Piet Hein.
I also think that’s why Rob packed this level with ABC and 123 so much. He might be telling us to look back more and tie it all together. Not only look at these L3 clues. But find how they connect with L2 clues.

Even just looking back at 1064 from T1A I found that it’s believed that William the Conqueror got his first foothold because Harold Godwin (last crowned Anglo-Saxon king of England) swore an oath that William would succeed him. The oath was given in the year 1064 which is also the year Harold died.

[white patrol]

I think the reason level 3 took this long is that

1. Rob not confirming many things we find
2. Every single clue before level 3 can all narrow down to one password, but now we have 9 passwords (which clue is for which one? How do we piece it together? Questions like these bother me so much)

So 1,2,3 A,B,C might be the structure we need to put clues together to make passwords but how :c

[crisp eagle]

Yea I’ve wondered if our “rule of thirds” clues might be overlooked on that topic maybe. Gonna try my best to word something. Standby

What if the “123” clue on this art is telling us that the clues we find on all official art falls into that MW.AREA? My drawing is crap sorry. But like anything found on the far left “third” of the picture all goes to MW.AREA #1 and so on

That probably wouldn’t even work actually

I don’t think clues fall perfectly into certain areas like that

[surreal sinew]

Wasent the rule of thirds sets of 3 and not 1 2 3

[crisp eagle]

Yea I think we mainly used it to combine 3 things together. Like slies, cetacea, asconce. But the rule of thirds in photography is like this.

[surreal sinew]

What about 19 what was that again

[crisp eagle]

Which our official art seems to fallow by usually putting the main subject in a correct intersect

[surreal sinew]

Since it’s 9 passwords

[crisp eagle]

That was the amount of letters in our L3 activation password which combines the three words I said above.

Password: sliescetaceaasconce

19 letters total

[surreal sinew]

How many pictures do we have

I have a theory

[fresh quiver]

5 for L3 i think?

[surreal sinew]

Like arts that we got hints from

5 damn I had a though if it was 3

[fresh quiver]

6

[crisp eagle]

That’s still open for debate because we don’t know 100% for certain if we use activation arts or only arts given after we activated the level

[surreal sinew]

Ok then if it’s 6 that still works

[surreal sinew]

Yeah

But assuming it’s 6 if we split them into 9 squares like what pibby did just above and since the code locations on the MW page are arranged in a grid of 9 maybe the hints in each part correspond to the code in the same square

Hope u understand what I mean

[crisp eagle]

I think we could argue 9 as well. Starting with the image L3AIM on the official art page, our “I_want_to” image, and then the Season 5 KeyArt that Rob gave us earlier. Those last two aren’t listed on official art in discord though.

[crisp eagle]

Yea I do. That’s the thought. I just don’t know how strong it is

Or even putting the grid on the images with columns being 123 and rows being ABC. I don’t know though. Just random thoughts I’ve chewed on for a couple months haha

[surreal sinew]

Yeah I thinks it’s worth checking what hints are in what squares and seeing if it might be good but idk I can’t test rn since no pc and I can’t even open the miro on my phone

[surreal sinew]

I mean give it a shot might as well

Have we ever tried layering every picture on eqchother

With equal opacity’s in different layer orders

Man this has really gotten difficult and now I legit got a headache but it’s prolly unrelated but just funny that now I got one.

Quick prayer to SR.
Oh great Rob give us a sign that you still read this no need to give a hint just stop by some time and say hello we miss our lord and savior.
(P.S if you ever need some very basic violin stuff for ambient stuff you know where to find me)

[white patrol]

I'm wondering if "S" lies can point to S as in the shape of a snake? IIRC, we have Argon Casino's missing LED letters that spell "serpentes" (Sperpents/Snake) might point to this aswell.
Serpent lies = The snake that lies in Genesis is Satan, Satan = father of lies.
Who else is father of lies? Herodotus.

[surreal sinew]

We also got that s sticker

[surreal sinew]

We should also remeber the hero.us idea

[white patrol]

S sticker?

[surreal sinew]

That one with the x and the dotted lines

Dont remeber where it’s in

[white patrol]

hmm

[surreal sinew]

Maybe it was in the set with the Ak

The vault hunter set I think it was

[crisp eagle]

Could also be a good idea to try to see what these clues have to do with the golden Nama Tama. Mainly our Monaco one since it’s the only one we have.

With Rob saying L3 is all about them, I would think at least some of these clues (if not a third of them) would directly tie in with Monaco or our Monaco Nama Tama in-game somehow.

Might somehow help with finding out just what MW.AREA even means. I keep thinking those three areas are tied to EU, NA, and AS. Then maybe the mma (passwords) for each one has to do with the Golden Nama Tamas we find in-game from those areas. Like Monaco Tama (EU) could have clues to what the passwords would be. It’s under a cathedral. That itself might be a clue

I don’t know. Just rambling again

[hard current]

Have we tried the old passwords

Like ovoaurum

[dusk siren]

poppin' in on Xmas eve (merry Xmas, everyone!) to deposit 2 ideas that were rattling around my head last night
still working on @dull marsh 's "dragon" and "bell" ideas
the second idea is the potentially bigger one

• Eastwood - Dragon's Quest - horses - slot machine bells - Masterplan map - more...
• Touch tone telephone keypad (sorry if already long since mentioned)
  • Bell = Telephone
  • Lvl 3 landing page = 3x3 grid
  • "123" = top row of the keypad
  • "ABC" = 2 on the keypad
  • "ANN BET CHRIS" = (A B C)16 = (10 11 12)dec = "JKL" = 5 on the keypad
  • SZdeF = the "deF" hinting at 3 ("DEF") on the keypad? Several interpretations from there (e.g., S = 7, Z = 1 or 9, deF = 3 = 713?? TIE?? that's just a random one)
  • lots of potential for hints (area codes, country codes, more...)

"HEX" is one name for the number symbol (#)
"OCTOTHORP" another, originating at Bell Labs (perhaps another octopus connotation)

Silk Road, Hex (the game)... making connections, networks

Anyway, might be worth a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_keypad

[alpine junco]

Or we try latin words for night and dawn

Aurora is dawn

[dusk siren]

Keeping with possible wireless telephony ideas
"MW" = microwave communications?? (see AT&T's "Skyway" microwave communications network)
"MW" = looks like waves?? (see the ENGIMO videos: MMMM... WWWW...)
57 = 57 GHz is the bottom of the V band in the U.S.?? (first satellite to satellite communications was done at 60 GHz in the V band)

[severe creek]

att was bought by southwestern bell in 2005

just as another bell connection

[odd sequoia]

There’s a new tablet skin about hearing hidden frequencies or something. I’m sure you know about it, just an interesting thought.

[severe creek]

its a free premium skin which i think would disqualify it from the "behind pay walls" rule as well

[dusk siren]

In "I WE WHO TWO THREE" it might be possible to use the keypad idea to explain how "I WE WHO" = "ONE"
E.g., "WHO"
Originally the "1" key had no letters or symbols associated with it. Today the one 1 key often represents the "@" symbol. Both have a possible "WHO" connotation.
"WE" would be the hardest to explain, but on some older phones 1 was "QZ", for what it's worth

[crisp eagle]

We did get Silk Fibroin eyed, and it was a T9 code which older phones used for texting

Man you might be onto something, tom. Like you mentioned the top row on a keypad being 1,2,3. The letters associated with them are abcdef. That’s as far as we get on L2 with the tier names
1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 1E, 1F, 2ABC, 2DEF, 3

Could be coincidence, but…

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-gif-24482299

[unborn pilot]

What @dull marsh said. Those 3 combinations of dates with 123 seems logical but we do have a lot of interesting dates. Even 404 April 4th. We also have the burrw date which is even more specific with a year.

[unborn pilot]

I think the monkey island clues are telling us it’s in a tree stump but my second choice would be a rock near water

[unborn pilot]

There technically were 3 “main sponsor” ones that we know go together and have clues when layered. 1 Dissun, 2 Vaiiya, 3 Iseul-T there’s probably a reason it’s those 3 sponsors

[unborn pilot]

Equal opacity doesn’t work. But blend modes do. Rob uses those a lot but also has some other techniques that we have not been able to figure out at all.

[dull marsh]

Imo:
Dissun = sun
Vaiiya = unsure
Iseul-t = black knight (through Tristan and Iseult)

[unborn pilot]

Yep makes sense.

[dull marsh]

Vaiiya may be about computer chips?

We got MOS 6205 (might have the number wrong)

[unborn pilot]

It kinda feels like it must connect to something that might even help us. I’d be interested if Vaiiya connects to the first L3 image. If Namatama was the black knight (iseult), sun glare (Dissun)…

[dull marsh]

Vaiiya is all about unity like ISS node 1 🤔

Back to square 1 😂

I still think these 3 combined lead to that freaking space blanket, that's the element which is at the center of all 3 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[gloomy anvil]

Vaiiya, Iseul-T, Dissun were the official sponsors back then (season 5). Other #official-art tends to correspond to the current season as well. The sponsor selection probably wasn't fully in Rob's control.

[unborn pilot]

He controls it all. The mastermind

[dull marsh]

Rob probably could have significant influence on it as executive producer, and could have used the opportunity to use them as clues

[gloomy anvil]

Even then I doubt he'd pick the seasonal sponsors purely to suit a clue

my two cents

[unborn pilot]

I bet he’d say they’ve had them planned for years

At least every project I’ve worked on usually has concepts and some assets going for 4 to 6 seasons ahead

[unborn pilot]

Ofc. But i think it might be why he was pushing us to solve it before we got to that season.

We know things go away with seasons and come back too. So idk. Rob has this timed somehow if we don’t solve it he arrives with x-mas gifts in forms of new clues 😆

[dull marsh]

Yeah on paper one sponsor or another is the same, so if it doesn't cause any issue then he might as well have that specific combination together

It could also explain why we didn't get clues for a few months and then got multiple images during S5

[silk wolf]

anyone got that formula quote from oscar

i dont know if it was meant for just the first password or the 9 on the MW page

[unborn pilot]

So interesting. We never had Dissun or Vaiiya images before. But we did have Iseul-T once and that one seems to be some Level 3 stuff - kara/kari, gruk.

[dull marsh]

Not sure what quote you're talking about 🤔

[unborn pilot]

Was Gruk recently in the Vaiiya one or isuel-t one?

I’ll dig it up but maybe someone remembers quicker 😂

[silk wolf]

He said something about rr1x2x or something

[unkempt dune]

I believe it was Iseul-T

[silk wolf]

I think it was oscar who said it i don't remember

[unborn pilot]

so then yeah both times it appeared it was an iseul-t related image

[surreal sinew]

Maybe it’s free specifically for the ee

[severe creek]

its the only part of the accidental cns bundle left (the only cns cosmetics this season so far) and specifically showed the jump pad originally, but last i saw, it just shows the finals logo now

it may not be active until it offically comes out if it is part of an ee

[surreal sinew]

Have we ever trued turning pictures into sounds files and checking for words since u can do that idk what it’s called but I’m sure someone knows what I mean

[surreal sinew]

I hope

[surreal sinew]

I think u can still find the screen on the screens section of the multi device

[dusk siren]

Computer chips feel right.
VIA Technologies likely just a coincidence, but VIA has a long and interesting history, including gaming sound and graphics chips. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Technologies

[dusk siren]

I think this a really good idea. Will try to work on it at some point.

[dusk siren]

E.g., Aurora Borealis has connections to galileo, dragons, high latitudes, and more...

Surprisingly many associations between dragons and the Northern Lights, which cut across times and cultures.
A Shakespeare one... Puck in A Midsummer Night's Dream

Might not actually be a Northern Lights reference, tbf, but clear dragon and aurora connection. Puck's a throwback, too

[severe creek]

you definitely can, but it used to show an image of the jump pad on it, but last i saw, it was just the finals logo

[surreal sinew]

Yeah I think that’s just so people know it’s not only for the jumpas

[dusk siren]

If Shakespeare references end up being important, a strong connection to Uranus (see Hamlet crater, Ophelia moon, Puck moon, etc.)

Feels doubtful Embark would feel the need to crib from VIA's graphic design, but maybe it's just life imitating art

[surreal sinew]

What crib

[dusk siren]

I just thought it looked more similar than it needed to. Like I said, no reason to think it would be anything but a coincidence. Given the letters (V, I, aand A), maybe just an obvious choice of style.

[gloomy anvil]

ISS geocache code is GC1BE91. 123 could be seen as in the middle of that:

• 1BE = 1B3 = 123
• C1B = 312 -> 123 ?

The other letters / numbers besides those are G and 91 (19?).

Also, GC stands for geocache. GC = 63 = T3 clue and question mark.

63, 123, 91 if you put those three interpretations together

still, Rob can't control the code, so anything can be a coincidence

The code for the first ever geocache is GCF. You could see this as G,E,G -> EGG -- with G=G, C=3, F=6 (A1Z26).

Dave Ulmer placed the first "divine" stash on May 8, 2000, 5 days after the first normal stash. Notable for precise coordinates.

https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC10

This website is pretty helpful: http://www.guysnamedkim.com/geocache/geocache_history.html

[gloomy anvil]

Most early geocaches in North America roughly match the coordinates format from I_Want_to.png (assuming 0002 is a period).

N XX° XX.XX
W XXX° XX.XXX

The earliest I've found that fully matches the digits correctly is "The Billy Graham Memorial Vectored Offset Geocache" (placed May 15 by Dave Ulmer). But many others will probably fit too.

N 45° 17.060    (we can lose the trailing 0 to make the final segment 2 digits)
W 122° 25.638

[dusk siren]

That clue was also right next to the "elbow smudge" that looked like waves (again, the waves in the ENGIMO videos really stood out to me)
The 2ABC and 2DEF observation is pretty striking, as well.

[dull marsh]

That was Rob saying that in Twitch chat and then while playing over on stream

[dull marsh]

Does that Elbow smudge just looks like an Easter Egg? 😅

[dusk siren]

lol... yeah... ur right. maybe that's all it is. xD

Glancing again at the Iseul-t artwork, someone identified the right ascension (Ra) number for Kepler-1324b.
Looking back, several people previously posted about Kepler Objects of Interest being abbreviated as "KOI" and, separately, the Chinese legend known as the Legend of the Dragon Gate or sometimes simply the Legend of Koi.
Along with silk and Silk Road both pointing at the Chinese silkworm and China's silk industry, there may be a DRAGON connection in this image.

The GRUK clue in the image pointed at the scientist, poet, and mathematician Piet Hind and his game Hex, but I just learned that there was another famous Piet Hind, and I'm not sure this was previously noted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piet_Pieterszoon_Hein

This famous privateer's flagship was named De Vliegende Groene Draeck or The Flying Green Dragon.

Vaguely reminiscent of Sir Francis Drake and his Golden Hind in some ways.

A royal yacht that is today named after Hein's ship, with identification number VA 18, if that's of any significance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Groene_Draeck

[dusk siren]

Weird coincidence I recall seeing (emphasis on the coincidence). Billy Graham's wife was named Ruth Bell Graham. Came up when I was looking for "bells" and into Alexander Graham Bell.

Piet Hind was the only admiral ever to capture the Spanish treasure fleet, sometimes referred to simply as "the silver fleet." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_treasure_fleet

[gloomy anvil]

All I want for Christmas... is a level 3 clue

[robust junco]

I just wanna know if Rob will react or even read this chat. Or if we just float forever in space doing nothing with nothing

[odd sequoia]

Rob wouldn’t abandon us, keep the faith

[crisp eagle]

I keep looking back at L2, and the space blanket also reminds me of mendelevium. Didn’t it’s discovery involve a thin sheet of gold?

That connection may have already been made

[dull marsh]

Not seeing it on the mendelevium page when skimming through it (I may have missed it), the discovery of the electron is the one with a thin sheet of gold and rubbing glass with silk or wool

[crisp eagle]

Ohhh ok. Sumpin’. I’m tired haha. Still sheet of gold! L3 solved

[hard current]

Rob it’s Christmas!!! We deserve a present!!!

?👀

[silk wolf]

Rob dgaf about us anymore 🙁

[obsidian tendon]

i found three pots halfway in a wall, is this important

[surreal sinew]

Guys named Kim what about guys named rob

[silk wolf]

Merry christmas or happy holidays to y’all!! I love this community so much!

[hard current]

Merry Christmas everyone! Happy holidays!

[hard current]

Probably not ☺️

[dusk siren]

you might be right, though...

I don't know what's going on with the formatting of this website, but seems like it might be a good article. https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/discovery-mendelevium/

Probably noted, but I never did think to connect "101" on the tattoo in the game to mendelevium before

[dusk siren]

rubbing a glass with silk or wool does remind me of both the "silk" and "fleece" clues to date, though

[crisp eagle]

Ok yea I thought I read it somewhere. I was confused one day as to what mendelevium has to do with gold and found that. I just don’t remember where I had found it. Because if gold isn’t involved, then mendelevium as a password in L2 is pointless

[dusk siren]

Image of a fleece on stained glass? Possible that we don't need to identify the actual image? A hint at the discovery of the electron?

From the DISSUN artwork, if that wasn't clear.

[dull marsh]

Ooh hmm 🤔🤔

[robust junco]

Merry Christmas

[silk wolf]

Mervyn Wood

[crisp eagle]

I wonder too if the reasoning for the passwords of L2 give away anything.

1064: melting point of gold

lxxix (79) : atomic number of gold

5f137s2 (electron configuration of mendelevium) : involved sheet of gold

Almost seems like one leads to the next. Melting point. Atomic number. Then making a sheet of it for another element

Even 1D - 1F egg passwords seem to move in one direction in order.

0vif0rm : shape

cacoii : shell makeup

vit3llus : yolk

Going from the outside observation inward. See the shape. Zoom in on shell. Then zoom into yolk

It’s always breaking the object down more. Then in gold’s case making something else with it

[white matrix]

this is some next level research

[dusk siren]

Can sponsor stuff play into the "Big Whoop" hunt (e.g., like the commercials that Embark has released)?
I'm just hoping to confirm either way. Don't know why I feel like someone told me once that they were just lore-related.
If that kind of thing is in play, I think I have a couple observations from the ENGIMO ads potentially worth considering.

[dull marsh]

My gut feeling is that they won't be a strong element within the hunt itself but are tied to it and might serve as clues/leads/themes 🤔

[white patrol]

very advance dyjestive system ludo

[rigid adder]

Will The Finals’ EE ever be solved ?

[rigid adder]

It’s Digestive Rin..

Good sense of humour tho

[white patrol]

noooo don't digest me :c

[silk wolf]

Honestly the missing link might be that guy we still haven’t named lol

[low escarp]

where rob stream

[unkempt dune]

I thought the follower goal was pushed up

I could be misremembering though

[crisp eagle]

What if we actually have a Golden Nama Tama on Skyway, and this image hints at it similar to our Lost Legacy sticker for Monaco. 1-24 (X) landing on where she’s looking.

[crisp eagle]

If so, I’m guessing High Rise. I might look around later after I get home

Wish I could tell by the reflection if she’s looking at High Rise condition

Maybe the Nama Tama is embedded in the way on High Rise. It would be easy to miss with the wall being yellow and covering a lot of surface area. We really only see that wall as we jump pad up it. We could be flying right past it

[unborn pilot]

@dull marsh did you notice the L3AIM and WRD3HM images have some sort of fake data dump in them? it's virtually impossible for 2 completely different images to share 546 IDs yet have nothing similar in them.

look at the Document Ancestors in both. the list is massive and no other new image has that. they are 100% identical but i found 1 single UUID there was not.

[dull marsh]

Maybe that means those 2 images can be combined in some way and originate from the same PSD file? 🤔

[unborn pilot]

b037e44a-d362-334e-af41-5434814fec4e (no clue if it's anything, but if you wanna confirm im not crazy or that i am...)

[unborn pilot]

it would imply they came from the same image indeed

[dull marsh]

Not very surprising tbh, both filenames have the same format

[crisp eagle]

I didn't find anything, and not convinced of my makeshift idea, but I found this. I don't remember seeing this before

I don't know spit about computerz or codez, but it looks like it lists every object in the map

[dull marsh]

been there for as long as I can remember 😄

I still wonder if there are some EEs in there tho

[crisp eagle]

I'm observant. No need to thank me for being the first to find it.

[dull marsh]

Just noticed that this looks like the end of a word, the 4 fingers may be hiding 4 letters (it kinda looks like one is hiding behing right rightmost finger)

[crisp eagle]

maybe the word "DENTS"

4 fingers. 4th letter is D

[unborn pilot]

Does the gun in game say ARMAMENTS?

[dull marsh]

I like that, the guy has a big dent on helmet, and I think Rob wanted us to count the dents on Nama's helmet 🤔

[unborn pilot]

Massive dent

[unborn pilot]

the K in BricK looks capitalized

[crisp eagle]

It’s just so weird. Why would they want us to see this though

[dull marsh]

Yeah I've always been intrigued by this... I guess it does add a sense of "virtual gameshow"-ness to it, but it's such a good place to hide some secrets 😄

[dusk siren]

Been meaning to ask about the Black Knight Nama Tama, including the dents, since I wasn't in the hunt when the art dropped, and I suspect most have been pointed out or raised but it's hard to know how to search for them (I've tried, I promise)

• The three on the left in the glare a skull?
• The one on the right featuring "IO" scratched to its lower right?
• An epsilon (ε) and then something-something on his upper right brow?
• Not just 19 rivets, but 19 contained in 3 separate zones (first row, second row, center strip)?

Separately, someone once mentioned What3Words, but oddly I got timed out when I tried to forward the original message. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What3words

Figured I'd at least post what I hope are the correct triples for the 5 pairs of coordinates from the Lvl 3 landing page

15.70363, 23.22150: freckles.hags.winged
81.75163, 37.16174: incapable.flows.pinhole
46.69812, 55.09871: sidewalks.groomed.floorplan
27.86234, 12.98314: redeemed.fearful.regressed
72.58514, 64.02630: quadriceps.zodiac.cordiality
Seems pretty random but maybe someone sees something I can't

Oh, by the way...
"What3words divides the world into a grid of 57 trillion 3-by-3-metre (10 ft × 10 ft) squares"
That likely coincidence got me modestly optimistic before I checked the word-triples for our 5 locations(?).
Now that I see the word-triples, back to being pessimistic (when will I learn?)

[fading vigil]

Did you checked coordinates via words? One two three/I we who?

[dusk siren]

If I had to connect any to either the game or the hunt...
freckles.hags.winged

• someone mentioned Odilia having freckles (I checked and she might, actually)
• Odilia is winged
• She doesn't seem very "hag-like" to me, but maybe shes one of "the hags"?

[fading vigil]

We had A LOT three word strings tho

[dusk siren]

Good idea!

It seems like not every triple corresponds to a location (not really surprising by the pigeonhole theorem, I guess), but the site will suggest a "closest triple" it seems, which itself might be interesting.

Anyway, the site itself is here for anyone who ever wants to try something with it. https://what3words.com/

[gloomy anvil]

Fun fact. The geocache GC123 is in Las Vegas and was placed on 1/1/1 (new year 2001).

https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC123

[dusk siren]

I get it... 24 = X, right? That is really good.

Also, since the X is next to her head, the location might where she is standing relative to where she is looking (I mean, I know people suggested both ideas when we were all first looking at that image)

So many possible directions this could go, but something I never considered was just combining the idea of "dragon" (from Dragon Studio) with "vision" (e.g., sight, eyes, etc.), rather than try to identify locations on Skyway from this image at all.

Obv, the location of Skyway is probably the more likely idea, but I wondered if something from these kinds of articles might indicate a connection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_eye

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon's_Eye

This kinda thing quickly devolves into rabbit hole territory, so I would trust someone else to make a solid connection before I'd trust myself.

[shy oracle]

Has Rob mentioned any real life Easter egg drops? Possibly hints to codes in real places? I’m in Las Vegas for the next few days

[hard current]

Yes, he said he left codes at many real life places, I think Vegas might be one of them! Look for the finals stickers

[shy oracle]

Here’s to hoping those stickers are still around 🙂😅

It would be very cool to see what hidden cosmetic we can get

[dusk siren]

One more possible justification for the precision to 5 decimal places would be such a connection to what3words, as you would have to get to within a specific 3-by-3-meter square.

[dusk siren]

On the Miro, someone suggests that the number chunks eventually lead to "HORST"
Per the wikipdia article for HORST in the geological sense, "The word Horst, apart from being a common name, in general German refers to an 'eagle's nest'."
Could the Dragon Studio building represent an "eagle's nest" in the context of the map?
The woman in the glasses maybe suggesting "eagle eyes" to go along with the fact that she is "wearing wings"?
The image from the wikipedia article also might echo some of the hints in that series of images that seem to point toward morse code and perhaps telegraphy.

[dusk siren]

Last question for the night: Any "Evil Eye" connections that people are aware of seeing so far?

[hard current]

tbh I'm not sure I believe in the horst theory, feels kinda like a stretch

[hard current]

been trying to think about some of the clues and the brands represented..

Dissun is Power
Vaiiya is Nothing/Null
Iseult is Hex

probably.. not going to get us anywhere

just throwing things out

[dusk siren]

Recalling the AEGEAN and KALYDON clues from the most recent images, I noticed there is a sunken city called Olous off the coast of Elounda in Crete. Kalydon is the name of an uninhabited island area within Elounda.

Olous is famous for being rich and having its own currency. The city minted at least 11 coin types, usually showing Vritomartis or Artemis on one side and Zeus with an eagle, dolphin, or star on the other.

Olous was pushed down below sea level when the African Plate moved sharply below the Aegean Plate in the Hellenic subduction zone causing a major earthquake on July 21, 365 AD.

[dusk siren]

I think you're right. Was just seeing if I could make anything of pibblix's idea that one of the golden nama tamas might actually be in that Dragon Studio office building, even though the consensus is that it will be at the X's on the two other treasure maps we have from the in-game cosmetics. Thinking "dragon's nest", "eagle's nest"... golden egg?

But yeah, I hear you.

[hard current]

Tbh I think we’re focusing too much on concepts

I mean we have unsolved letters… numbers, strings, and clear indicators like hex, silk, shift, rule of 3rds

I wish I just knew the correct way to apply them

[dusk siren]

Sure but we also have other unambiguous things like AEGEAN, KALYDON, etc., which feel like they are much more in the world. I'm trying very, very, very hard to stick with clues that have basically been confirmed, especially those from the last set of 5 or so images Rob posted.

Here's a question for you, just to take the temperature in the room: I got the impression from looking through some of Rob's oldest posts that he designed this so that things would have multiple connections.
To use hex as an example, is part of the problem that we could be looking in multiple directions simultaneously (yes, the name of the game, Hex, but perhaps also the "#" symbol and possibly several other connections)?

[hard current]

yeah they can have double meanings

We don’t have enough confirmed, unless Rob confirmed things he thinks we can find connections for

[dusk siren]

I mean, those words I gave as an example, AEGEAN and KALYDON, are clearly discernable in the images.

Similarly, pibblix's observation of the numbers 1-24 possible pointing towards an "X marks the spot" feels worth exploring, and that's unambiguously in one of the images.

In the same image were the number chunks and someone thought they could put them together, convert to letters, and Caesar shift them to HORST. Perhaps you're saying you don't buy those numbers leaading to HORST. That would be a good example of (a) something ambiguous and (b) something Rob never confirmed.

The reflection in the woman's glasses in the image is unambiguously of the Dragon studio offices on Skyway, if I'm not mistaken.

It just feels like we have plenty of unambiguous clues that aren't of the kind you mentioned, so it feels weird not to try to make something of them.

Rob literally was imploring us to stare at the blue rugs in the Dragon Studio offices as if something important was there. Anyway, sorry to get so emphatic. I'd be perfectly happy if someone narrowed things down (even more than you did with the "unsolved letters… numbers, strings, and clear indicators like hex, silk, shift, rule of 3rds") and just said, let's focus everyone's attention on this small set of clues, X, Y, and Z, until we crack them. Believe me, I'd love to feel like we were pulling in the same direction.

[surreal sinew]

What is the gravity when it’s low gravity event

[shy oracle]

I’m going to check the strip tomorrow and see what clues I can find about Vegas and where the sticker could possibly be, when we passed it was overwhelmingly crowded 😭
I think the sticker could be behind the scenes of a high foot traffic area where the 4 casinos are (nugget, 4 queens, Binion’s)

Well, later today, it’s 4 am right now 😅

Thinking about it now.. master plan markup might be the 1st clue. It may be for the golden nama but it could be for something else.

[surreal sinew]

Yeah

[hasty anvil]

I feel like even 1-24 might have deeper meanings as well that just ‘X’. Could be A-X, or the list is -y and -z which could be a co ord thing

I think if it was just the number 24 it would’ve been just as easy

Could be a staircase formation, which matches with the image in the glasses

[low escarp]

sry if this was mentioned before
but i was messing around in gimp with #official-art message left and #official-art message right

and saw that if the angle things at the top and bottom of the image are lined up the + in the center is not

[hard current]

haven't seen that before, maybe overlapping of some sort?

also actually.. really interesting that the dots don't line up, it was my understanding that that's basically a standard overlay added to all photos...

[low escarp]

the disun and vaiiya posters have this extra | line in the middle at the top and bottom and the american football guy above them too but the heave SA and the bow guy dont

ok i also looked at #official-art message and all the contestant postes below it
they are bigger then the bow and sa guys so it dont line up with them
but with each other all these contestant posts line up perfectly

[low escarp]

there was this about the SA/bow post thats why i was messing around with the images

[hard current]

might be pointing to a need for them to overlap maybe?

[unborn pilot]

I remember there’s a couple from before that are slightly off or missing some but couldn’t figure out why 😭

[alpine junco]

"notice the patterns"

[dusk siren]

Silk I, II, III???
3 eras of the ancient Silk Road??? E.g.,

• The Smithsonian’s list: 206 BC - 220 AD (Han Dynasty), 618 AD - 907 AD (T'ang Dynasty), 13th and 14th Centuries AD (Mongolian control, ~1234-1368 AD)
• Dynasty-oriented lists: Han Dynasty (First Pax Sinica), T'ang Dynasty (Second Pax Sinica), Yuan Dynasty (Pax Mongolica)
• Looser 3 “Silk Roads” concepts: including the original Silk Road but also perhaps something like the “Silk Road telecom link” completed in 1998

Iseul-t image = history of telecommunications theme???

• HERODOTUS (pre-dates the Silk Road):
  • Achaemenid Royal Road postal system with 111 posting stations?
  • Greek long-distance signaling with fire-lit beacons?
• SILK I, II, III + SVEN HEDIN: The Silk Road trade network through history?
• DIT-DAH-DIT: Morse code, telegraphy?
• WAVES: Wireless telephony and communications?
• ASCII ‘fcbytaehrcr’: Probably a cipher, but also digital communications?
• KEPLER 1324b: Kepler Communications satellite space communication networks?
• GRUK: Piet Hein, inventor of the game HEX, where the object is connecting two sides?
• MIRRORED CONTESTANT: Person-to-Person communications?
• PATH EDGES AND NODES: Fiber optic telecommunications networks?
• 222 44 66 666: Multi-tap Phone SMS text message code for C, H, O, N?
• ANN BET CHRIS: (A B C)hex = (10 11 12)dec = JKL = 5 in telephone code?
• VERTICALLY ORIENTED “1 2 3”: ???

[surreal sinew]

@alpine junco u know where the message with the card with the rose hint from rob is

[dusk siren]

Again, probably nothing, but to maybe save someone the trouble of doing it themselves...
What3words location word-triples:
15.70363, 23.22150
(+/+) = freckles.hags.winged
(+/-) = ladybirds.conscience.yearbooks
(-/+) = entertainer.fingerprint.tightly
(-/-) = reflect.birdcages.cosmologists
27.86234, 12.98314
(+/+) = redeemed.fearful.regressed
(+/-) = refrains.landmasses.elimination
(-/+) = redeemed.fearful.regressed
(-/-) = unemployed.majesties.rappers
46.69812, 55.09871
(+/+) = sidewalks.groomed.floorplan
(+/-) = oldies.flightless.tempter
(-/+) = windsock.reusing.franchise
(-/-) = penicillin.grouses.maintenance
72.58514, 64.02630
(+/+) = quadriceps.zodiac.cordiality
(+/-) = farsighted.traits.troopers
(-/+) = feckless.misdirecting.crevices
(-/-) = crazes.quivery.sunspots
81.75163, 37.16174
(+/+) = incapable.flows.pinhole
(+/-) = same.jinxed.welcomes
(-/+) = sacrilege.undertaken.hoisting
(-/-) = weatherproofing.touchpad.hopscotch

[dusk siren]

Good instinct
Right off the bat, I think it was BIGOIL who pegged it as the number of letters in the GREEK ALPHABET
That definitely seemed like a promising connection to go with the other GREEK clues

[dusk siren]

Oh, I get it! That's a great idea. Something to do with the staircases in the Dragon Studios offices maybe?

[dusk siren]

I take it these were Rob's words... for the dents on the Black Knight's helmet, 3 and 1... 3 becomes one 1... the trinity theme again??

[odd sequoia]

Could someone smarter than me take a look at this? I apologize for interrupting.

#1203859365610922036 message

[alpine junco]

no idea

[dusk siren]

Oh, no... we need some image genius to overlap two or more of these images to reveal more clues???
Great find, though

[fading vigil]

Are the all arts are the same size? This looks like side center, but if art aren’t in same 1920x1080 for example, can it be not aligned?

[rugged breach]

There's definitely more to extract from the images, both new and old, that we still haven't gotten

[gloomy anvil]

[rugged breach]

https://tenor.com/view/tentofate-elmo-elmo-staring-gif-11901234066681497328

[gloomy anvil]

come to think of it, most nama tama images have slightly different colored backgrounds

wonder if any missed clues were there

[rugged breach]

Would b easy enough to hindisght it with older stuff

[gloomy anvil]

The Rob tama also had 191919

[past karma]

Can I ask for a link to the latest Nama img mentioned here please?

[rugged breach]

#official-art, make sure to check the date

[gloomy anvil]

vvv.png wasn't actually in there

link: https://www.thefinals.wiki/w/images/5/53/Vvv.png

[past karma]

Also adding to that some old but related messages

[gloomy anvil]

we know what the message was but it seems practically impossible to extract it

3 steps out of 11 needed

[unkempt dune]

the noise aspect is obviously a clue, but it still baffles me what method could be use to generate noise that'd end up forming shapes.

I'm assuming some kind of operation to the pixels of the image can be used to reveal the pieces

[white patrol]

what's this?

[unkempt dune]

piece of a graph

https://thelulzy.github.io/TF-EE-quartz-obsidian-vault/T1E/Robatama

[eternal violet]

hard to believe that 11 is not just 3 written in binary. doesn't look like there are any additional steps in between the images

[unkempt dune]

so the diamond-like carpet from Skyway Stadium could be related to that Hope Diamond clue earlier from the hunt

[harsh nebula]

Do we already know why there are numbers in the corner of the image?

[unkempt dune]

Yes, it's for LIGO XVII

it's a T9 cipher

[dusk siren]

Carl August von Steinheil, Alsatian physicist, inventor, engineer and astronomer, seems to have invented a dot-dash code that predates Morse code and perhaps was the first such code ever.

Thought maybe the 3 dots on the left would be Steinheil's symbol for "U" and/or "V" and the 1 dot on the right the symbol for "E" and/or "I"??? "UV" for UV radiation??? Blacklight reference??? EDIT: Still a stretch, I know, but "UV" in a patch of light that looks like a skull facing toward the Sun kinda fits (UV damage, etc.), but the single circular dent facing outward toward space, which seems to have "IO" written next to it, feels like it might hint at Jupiter. With the black helmet being rectangular and a bit "monolith-like," a possible 2001: Space Odyssey reference, as well??? (Not that those ever seemed to help much 🙁 )

Steinheil the inventor of the "print telegraph" according to some sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_August_von_Steinheil

[dusk siren]

Only one dent on this mask, but some early code systems might be a reasonable match for that one, as well.

According to wikipedia, this was the first code to use a single circuit

If that dent is a "/ needle", not sure what a single "E" would tell us, but thought I'd post it.

In this one, a "/ needle" represented an "M"

Decent set of inventions to Steinheil's name

[past karma]

@odd sequoia so I was thinking about the Fire Escape Chart (unfortunately the resolution is quite low on my end, so I can't discern every symbol...), the only place that I can sort-of see resemblance with is actually Seoul's Mall, but the smaller moving staircase (?) is not there at all

[odd sequoia]

That was my issue too, things didn’t seem to really line up

[past karma]

With the assumption that the box roughly in the middle, left to the rightmost middle exit, is an elevator

[past karma]

Then it is just a cosmetic map, ah

[odd sequoia]

I think it is supposed to show an elevator but I can’t adjust resolution on Xbox to get a clearer view

I really can’t tell though

[dusk siren]

This could address some of the characters that seemed strange to me from the DISSUN image, THE_FINALS_powe_i_powe.jpg.
Specifically, the "G" which seemed narrower and shaped more like a "9" and the character at the end, which definitely seemed too small or truncated somehow.
Would fit thematically with the possibly stained-glass Good Shepherd illustration in the same image.

[unkempt dune]

It is a bit suspicious that Saturn is the 6th planet from the sun

Earth being the 3rd planet is also quite suspicious

The sun is technically 0 if you start arrays at 0

It's been discussed before, but it's definitely one of those things that's probably worth bringing back up

[unkempt dune]

This has partially been mentioned. But if you want to connect this to 123 in a different way, you can count by threes...

1. 0 (Sun)
2. 3 (Earth)
3. 6 (Saturn)

[dusk siren]

I'm def on board for one meaning of 0-9 in the hunt being the Sun, the 8 planets, and Pluto (which Rob made a point of saying IS a planet).
If you throw in Planet X you get both an X = 10, as with the Roman numeral, and a final destination as an "X marks the spot."
Like you said, many have discussed this previously, but I'm happy to have the regular reminder.
Also, I hadn't considered the "count by threes" idea. Interesting.

[plush magnet]

I didnt mention the files because I dont know much about them, everything is speculation on heavily redacted material. sure the files mention things like, S lies, L ies, and different quotes from scotty and june and what not but it would have just been very pointless for me to mention it since I couldnt weave it into anything meaningful

im also not into the whole like speculation of different astrology and ancient history things as trying to delve into that stuff would take forever for me especially because I have no knowledge on any of it so i can link anything together

but if someone can actually reveal what is on those files I can work with it

[white matrix]

i think, ||6 7||

[severe creek]

this made me think of this tattoo
#easter-eggs message
which the X is on a "vein" area now that i think about it

[dusk siren]

Until we nail down clues, we're rabbit hole-ing here, because lots of possibilities (too many, really).
For instance, you have me thinking that it's the missing Roman numerals that matter. To get a nice correspondence without resorting to a "Planet X," you can use Rob's "Pluto IS a planet" and do a correspondence of 1-10 with the Sun through Pluto. This would be motivated reasoning for me because the missing Roman numerals would be VI, VII, VIII, and IX, and those would correspond to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune, which are the four planets that have most interested me recently. 🤷

If there is a NUN (נ) character in the list, we might look for other symbols that do not belong to the Roman alphabet but that still have Unicodes.
For instance, look at the center column in the image, which for whatever reason has always looked blurrier (probably just an artifact of versions from which they were extracted).
Especially the bottom one, perhaps the best fit is actually the Roman numeral II, which has its own Unicode (U+2161, "Ⅱ").
And like the possibility that the top-left symbol was an upside-down "9" all along, someone early on said that the bottom-left symbol looked more like a zero, "0", than an O given its narrowness.

Like NUN in the top row being a Hebrew letter and number, there is also the "MUR" in the bottom row, which looks relatively unambiguous for what we've got.
Mur is the name of a cuneiform sign, which may also have its own Unicode code (need to confirm).
Likewise the far left-bottom row symbol seems like it might be a bit too elaborate to be an "S." Perhaps it is something more like an upside-down Greek zeta or something???
This is not to be confident about what they are, just opening up the idea that instead of all of them being Roman letters, or even Roman letters and Arabic numerals, it's possible we could find symbols from other alphabets and number systems, especially if they could all be converted to numbers, say.

I don't really know how to interpret the symbols exactly but the top one (i.e., "right part of sign") appears to be the Unicode symbol U+12451, 𒑑

The left part of the Mur sign might be the symbol represented by U+12469 (𒑩). Not clear what it's 'worth'.

https://codepoints.net/U+12469?lang=en

This source has that symbol equalling 4

[severe creek]

wasnt try to add to the convoluted rabbit hole rob has dug out for us to fall into just hopes that maybe "X", "vein", and "10" connect somewhere eventually

[dusk siren]

This source has the other symbol equalling 3 https://codepoints.net/U+12451

[dusk siren]

No! I think it was helpful for drawing attention to the tattoo! I'm the one people would say is cluttering the thread 🙁

Anyway... to finish the MUR thought above, putting the left sign and right sign together, maybe altogether we are meant to convert it to 43???

[hasty anvil]

It's very close to Dunsmure if maybe some of the letters were wrong

[dusk siren]

NUN supposedly worth 50 according to wikipedia.

[dusk siren]

I had the same thought!!! 🙂

In fact, wikipedia has DUNSMUR as an acceptable alternate spelling, along with interesting names like DUNSMOOR

For me personally, I've seen the alternate symbols and it will be hard for me to go back (the "NUN נ" feels more solid than typical for me)

The "NUN נ" might have been Rob's way of giving us just enough to consider NUN as a letter/number, which would be pretty helpful if MUR is similar.

Side note: Forgot that NUN is Hebrew and typically written from right to left. Could be a barely plausible justification for the 'נ' seeming backward in the list of symbols above.
Otherwise, it would indicate that some symbols could be reflected or rotated, like the first symbol in the top row which (probably incorrectly) I thought might be an upside-down "9" instead of a "G"

[shy oracle]

Small photo dump. There are plenty of these around Las Vegas and I think a sticker could be on one of these. This one is on the north strip

If y’all find something great cause I’m sketchy about getting close or touching any of these 😭🤣

[rigid adder]

I honestly think Embark should honour your insane hard work by some way

Literally goated

[dusk siren]

I'm gonna repeat what I've said before... there are people on here who go back to the beginning (2022!). Go back through old posts. Go back through how the first 2 levels were solved. It's frankly incredible. They (and Rob) are the real heroes. They are why I wanted to join the hunt. They are one of the main reasons I want THE FINALS as a game to succeed. I am being 100% sincere when I say this.

This is gonna seem pretty rabbit hole-ish to most and way too ambitious without getting at least some initial confirmation along the way, but on the other hand, it kind of feels like it fell into place in a pretty nice way (including the idea of a "hunter" showing up in this hunt, which I forgot to mention in the graphic). Check it out. Stress test it. Obviously, would be much easier if Rob could just give it a thumbs up or down, but I'm still waiting on his arrival as my last xmas gift.

[surreal sinew]

This is a fire idea and I hope it gets eyed (dammit autocorrect)

[dusk siren]

SZdeF: I just learned about multitap SMS codes the other day and now it makes me think of "deF" as maybe corresponding to "333"

SZ = 1926??? 52???

1926333... would be nice for a date but too many 3's??? 🙁

52333... inspired by the Harvey, Iowa idea above that has a slim chance of being correct, try 52333 as a zip code???

Google suggests this other town in Iowa: Solon, Iowa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solon,_Iowa

[surreal sinew]

Tom dropping bangers att midnight lets go

[dusk siren]

xD... I like the att by the way... would be fitting

I'm several time zones behind the EU crew, though, so it's not quite so late

Am I neglecting my work, though? Unfortunately, yes

[surreal sinew]

Ah it’s Swedish spelling for ”too” att göra is to do

Why is it fitting

[dusk siren]

If you live in the U.S., it's the most famous telephone company ever. 🙂 AT&T

[surreal sinew]

Everything for the whoop

[surreal sinew]

We used to have that before I moved to Sweden when I was I think 5

Was born in san francisco

I do some swinglish from time to time even tho I always speak English the Swedish schooling goes through in habits

[dusk siren]

That's pretty unusual and cool

[surreal sinew]

I got a lot of stories bout me and embark I can share some time

[dusk siren]

Will be cool to hear them

Couple observations on that SZdeF idea, btw:

• IOWA contains "IO". Not sure how solid a connection to the hunt as of yet, but it's a moon of Jupiter and can mean lots of other things, so maybe that is a bit supportive of the idea (i.e., town and city names in Iowa?)
• Per the wikipedia article: "Solon was platted in 1840. It is named for the classical Athenian statesman, lawmaker, and lyric poet Solon. Ironically, the local high school's mascot is the Spartans; Sparta was famously an enemy of Athens, Solon's home. The National Register of Historic Places-listed Stone Academy is just north of town."
  Those two kinda seemed more interesting than average.

Re: Solon

• "Solon's efforts to legislate against political, economic and moral decline resulted in his constitutional reform overturning most of Draco's laws... Demosthenes credited Solon's reforms with starting a golden age."
• "Solon's first stop in his travels was Egypt. There, according to Herodotus, he visited the Pharaoh of Egypt, Amasis II... A character in two of Plato's dialogues, Timaeus and Critias, claims Solon visited Neith's temple at Sais and received from the priests there an account of the history of Atlantis. Next, Solon sailed to Cyprus, where he oversaw the construction of a new capital for a local king, in gratitude for which the king named it Soloi."
• "Pausanias listed Solon among the Seven Sages [of Greece]"
• "Solonia is a genus of flowering plants belonging to the family Primulaceae (primroses), which contains just one species, Solonia reflexa, and which is named for the Athenian statesman Solon."
  ...and more of this sort of stuff

[surreal sinew]

Cooked hard

[dusk siren]

dunno about that 🤷

[surreal sinew]

Info is good

[dusk siren]

For the sake of argument, if dominoes (4-sided pieces) is another game to go along with Hex (6-sided regions), it's possible there is a game featuring 5-sided pieces or regions that would complete the series. Shōgi (5-sided pieces) seems to be just one. Just in case the idea triggers something for anyone.

[outer island]

Yo can anyone add me rq I wanna make a solo private match to just mess around

[surreal sinew]

There is a looking for group ee thread

[outer island]

I’m sorry where? can you @ it or?

[surreal sinew]

Yeah 1 sec

#1217498821563514951

U might need to be higher level

[outer island]

thxxx sm

[unborn pilot]

i landed on that most likely being DUNSMUR for the middle one (E missing on purpose?). not sure about right column #1318635922350149736 message

[dusk siren]

Some other games featuring the number 5 (hopefully at least interesting to have collected them, especially given some of the associations):

• Jacks (also known as knucklebones, fivestones, among many other names; first player to pick up all 5 jacks wins)
• Five Sides (reminiscent of the rugs in the Dragon Studio offices on Skyway Stadium)
• Hedron (1974)
• Connect5 (2019)
  Honorable mentions:
• Constellation (1979) ("Each player has 10 pieces: the 9 planets and the Sun; move your pieces to form triangle, quadrangle, and pentagon constellations with your opponent's pieces; a variation on the game called Moneychase is also included)
• Chaos Tiles (1999) (game with multi-sided domino-like tiles)

[dusk siren]

I'd ask people to look at the symbols again with an extremely critical eye, but I think we've all stared at those crazy red shapes so much that I would never dare.

[unborn pilot]

i shall. i'm dying to figure out what the rest is 🙂 that MUR symbol is quite interesting.

[dusk siren]

I'm saying things, like, do some symbols seem too narrow, are some seemingly incomplete, do some seem to have extraneous strokes or shapes.
But as I conceded, it's like encouraging people to undergo further torture. I'm quite conflicted about it.
Mostly, I appreciate you at least taking a gander.

I definitely spent time considering the DUNSMUR idea, too

From the "Dun" article, it's not even clear that it's necessarily missing any letters.

[unborn pilot]

I’m looking at these recent unsolved ones from a new angle where I see one. The whole “missing” letters r, s, r, letters missing in words that repeat usually missing o, I, e which could point to 0, 1, and 3 but then we need 2.

[dusk siren]

yeah, I couldn't make sense of the missing r,s,r... can you explain that a bit, sry

[hard current]

a bunch of clues seem to point to the idea of "missing"

[unborn pilot]

RSR shifted 1 is STS

[surreal sinew]

There is one half confirmed thing for the hunt being the hint I got from rob with the loadinbscreenn logo being wierd

[unborn pilot]

And that was eyed I belive

[hard current]

well he said loading screen

[dusk siren]

yeah, i feel like i've noticed that more and more

[dusk siren]

but a connection to "o, I, e"?

[unborn pilot]

Dunsmur I’ve seen spelled with an I, e and o

Dunsmuire, dunsmore, Dunsmure

Still not sure what exactly that means

[dusk siren]

yeah, I've been picking one of those images and just glancing at the unsolved stuff once a day trying to think of different angles... of course, that's only the start of the spiral, unfortunately.

[surreal sinew]

Yeah and we found the thing around the finals logo like the bars

[dusk siren]

Ah! thank you

Yeah, I definitely recall the Dunsmuir one, which is why DUNSMUR jumped out at me

[unborn pilot]

I noticed those too. But couldn’t find anything strange around those artifacts behind the logo. Still could mean something

[dusk siren]

The letters (characters?) in the DISSUN image still look wonky to me, though.
One of those things where I can't unsee it.
Maybe if I revisit them another time with fresh eyes, I'll get back to seeing them as all Latin letters.

[unborn pilot]

The only other thing about the intro is that I’m pretty sure it’s the same video as our Level 2 background

[surreal sinew]

It’s the one thing that might be semi confirmed but we don’t know how to decode them but they are 100% intentionally there

[unborn pilot]

We did have a “Loading…” gif in level 2 that had similar artifacts which was C64 themed

not exactly the same but similar.

[surreal sinew]

But the hint I got was specifically when loading up the game and staring everonebin the face

[unborn pilot]

It was this gif it reminded me of.

And lol... The rabbit hole of trying to find clues in the pixels.

[dusk siren]

If you squint reallllllllll hard, could the Black Knight Jack's axes be representing metal jacks (i.e., knucklebones, as in the children's game)?

We have gotten clues on knuckle bones before. Of course, it's such a good place to put them 🙁

Does kinda feel like an awful lot of them?

Dominoes and jacks fixations intensifying...
Kind of interesting that someone pointed out a long time ago how these stones in the practice range look like they could be something like dice or dominoes.
Now, I would even throw jacks (i.e., fivestones) into the mix.

If they were jacks, it would make for a pretty good Jack and the Beanstalk reference.

[unborn pilot]

i try to get that david bowie date from the image every so often, still can't get it

i was trying to get that signature again the other night from VVV and every time i think i make progress it leads to nothing haha

[dusk siren]

I definitely don't have any clue. xD Was only posting examples of clues on "knuckle bones" in case a connection to the game jacks firms up a bit more.
Really stems from thinking more about the role Hex the game itself could play.

[unborn pilot]

he showed us that the signature was in the bottom left, so ive been trying to "fold" the image like a piece of paper. my thinking is that some of the data of that signature is inside the namatama, and needs to be brought down from like 2048x2048 down to just 256x256...but yeah still so many ways to go about that and multiple steps

[unborn pilot]

prob nothing but i did notice "missing" on these old files from CNS

02:47 i think was mentioned the other day

[rigid adder]

Totally agree

Just the work you’ve put in the recent weeks is phenomenal

[surreal sinew]

Guys we should just all go together the old clues like 1 big vc going through the whole miro board and saying ideas we can record the ideas then make a summary of the good stuff

[fading vigil]

Duration and performer has zeros in it, because if we look at “Format” - o is small

Or not(cause zero has diagonal line)
But why then it’s in CAPS when in format isn’t?

RLAS DAT (eeee)
FRMAT (o)
FL SZ (ie ie)
URAON (dti)
SAMPL RAT (e e)
BT PR SAMPL (i e e)
ALUM (b)
PRFORMR (ee)
LABL (e)

[low escarp]

James K. Polk
close but not it

[unborn pilot]

Right. Also the b is caps in bit but not album. Hard to say if it’s on purpose or not.

One of the file names was also different

They all have xX in the front but in the list of files one is missing an X

Floating Bits which I’m pretty sure is the one with some secrets in it

[unborn pilot]

This is where the X is missing in Floating Bits…and I’m still trying to solve the XXXXXX phone number that Rob said isn’t a phone number.

+46-54 is Karlstad and Rob went to school at Karlstad University. Which would likely be when he was super into the demoscene and .diz is the format used on old BBS which you had to dial via a phone number.

[fresh quiver]

just put "missing" into search with demozoo.
https://demozoo.org/forums/140/

skarabs message "is lost in space" posted at 19:11

I love coincidences

[unborn pilot]

What a choice of words and timing

[fresh quiver]

thats odd. isnt it? 😄

[unborn pilot]

Massive list of BBSs there. I wonder if any point to Karlstad in the 90s

[fresh quiver]

https://demozoo.org/bbs/1399/

Karlstads Kommun

[unborn pilot]

15 of them in Karlstad. Couple interesting ones

[low escarp]

what is demozoo

[unborn pilot]

I think we have a thread on Rob’s old demoscene days. This is an archive of all that cool info

[unborn pilot]

Interestingly these all definitely follow the 6 digit format and for some reason lots of them have Xs. Like [phone]XX

[unborn pilot]

#1247320886646804550 message the thread

https://youtu.be/se2JRPpv9Os?si=Y1A1sY4_8Ovc-4bK This is most recent one that appears Rob/TmX worked on. It’s from February this year

[alpine junco]

wheres the hires version xd

[unborn pilot]

sigh......#1178137622359593043 message

but that post was a year before this video so probably not where it's hidden.

[dusk siren]

Going through some old ideas about Rob saying "I wonder where the higres is" (thx for dredging up old clues... 🙁 )
Anagram feels too indirect, but I started going through them anyway (best irony of all: "sigher"... you get that rcade?).
Anyway, I'm only posting this because it would answer a "where" question (i.e., a location) and have connections to both Lost City of Atlantis and Herodotus via the Atlas Mountains (* TIL there is also an Anti-Atlas Mountains).
Possible location of interest : Gheris Oasis, Morocco

Found the Gheris Oasis at a website for the Hydria Virtual Museum.
The old Hydra Q popped into my head.
Looked through wikipedia for lists of oasis names and found one kinda interesting.
Qara Oasis, Egypt
Don't know if it's pronounced like "Kara" but posting just in case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qara_Oasis

[dull marsh]

Ok so we might be a bit blind

• hex = X = crossing

• Kalydon = Kalydonian boar hunt

• We've had the Sun as a massive connection

sun

boar

From previous levels

• Pink floyd were big fans of Monty Python
• Funds earned by Pink Floyd's album “Dark Side of the Moon“, went towards funding “Monty Python and the Holy Grail“

[surreal sinew]

but its not a phone number he said so what could it be...

[dull marsh]

• X = King Arthur wants to cross the bridge

• Song during the scene = "Crossing Swords" by Dudley Wehttam (real name Graham Matthew)

• Monty Python and the Holy Grail (Book), also known as **Mønti Pythøn ik den Hølie Gräilen (Bøk) **https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_Grail_(Book)

• Rob's comments about "Only scratching the surface" = "'tis but a scratch"

• Album recorded at Sunrise Music And Recording Ltd., London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Album_of_the_Soundtrack_of_the_Trailer_of_the_Film_of_Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_Grail

• sunset on the cover too 🤔

[surreal sinew]

if u need someone to look for stuff irl in karlstad i might be able to but its a fair bit away and i dont got a car cus im not allowed to drive but i know some swedish people who might be able to