easter-eggs

[rotund elbow]

how long have you been gone?

[fallen jasper]

A week

[shadow shore]

We have all the ingredients... just not sure how to cook

[rotund elbow]

#easter-eggs message
this is pretty god for what we been loking at

and we was looking at this as rob brought it up

#easter-eggs message

i have 3 pics i'd like posted

any takers

[shadow shore]

send em through sport

I'll post them

From @rotund elbow

[rotund elbow]

so this is every frame of the gif with a difference blending on all of them.
Las Vegas has orchids coming from the centre of golden egg shaped pots
I dont know much about what happened with the rifle pic as it was before my time, if someone could point me to what was found from it, that would be great.

There is the 5 roses as well, It seems there are some clues with flowers and was wondering if anyone knows any more

[shadow shore]

Is there any way to see the gif lighting up with the different blending applied?
Golden shaped pots has been noted (RHB posted on them). And I'm not sure about the LMG picture personally but others may know

[rotund elbow]

lighting up as in, playing the gif, then no as it would be indervidual frames and there would be nothing to blend, this is all frames and everyone has the differance blending option on, putting it on and playing it frame by frame would just look like the original

[shadow shore]

Yeah I meant the gif playing with the new adjustments. But I get what you mean now

[rotund elbow]

strike that, I can do additive frames, so frame 1 has layer 1 and frame 2 has layer 1 and 2 etc, frame 19 has all

[shadow shore]

Cool, I'm just messing around on Photopea and adjusting it frame by frame. Seeing if I can see anything, but so far - nothing

[rotund elbow]

I tried a lot of options and this was the only one that stood out as being anything, could be missing something

[shadow shore]

Good work though

Seems to have 19 frames like you said, and each frame is labled _ a_0,30... _a_1, 30... _a_2,30 and so on

[fresh quiver]

the 5 roses are a different easter-egg. #easter-eggs message

[rotund elbow]

I'm just noticing flowers adjacent to easter eggs, and I was wondering if anyone else had noticed any

[fresh quiver]

you should look up all of robs messages from the last week i would say

theres a few

also rob told us there is a three-headed monkey on Monaco. first who will find it would get a free THE FINALS Mousepad.
I think he want to give us some motivaton 😄

[long dome]

the monkey is so extremely well hidden i dont think anybody is going to find it unless they are constantly searching or come across it by luck. he also didnt say what to look for so it could be a actual monkey, a png or a symbolic thing

[shadow shore]

May also take something, that we don't have - or do a sequence of things, which we don't know, in a certain place.

Which we also do not know

[long dome]

right i was thinking that, maybe it shows up on a distant billboard under a condition, like when the big screens change to a warning for the event that is happening

[shadow shore]

Yeah a condition seems the likely option

[rotund elbow]

DOTT

three trials

[shadow shore]

What is DOTT?

[earnest wagon]

My partner had a dream they'd guessed the password, based purely on listening to my mad ramblings and looking at my notes over my shoulder.

I've never been so sure a password is incorrect before, but so worried it might be right - because I'd have a hell of a job explaining it.

[hard forge]

Yeah imagine if it was correct.

[earnest wagon]

The password was "court".
I asked if it had a zero for the o and she said "Sure, why not."

I asked why it was that.
"Not like a basketball court, or a legal court - a Fae court. Because of Ophelia."

"Are you getting Hamlet mixed up with Midsummer Night's Dream?"

"...Yes."

Apparently it made a lot of sense during the dream - I can relate.

[hard forge]

You know what I am afraid of?

I am afraid of having nightmares of being stuck at an EE tier a decade later.

[earnest wagon]

I can't wait to decipher clues that point to new maps we've been playing for months.

Any day now someone will discover that Vegas will be available on release.

I'd love to know if there's more to tfee_ques and tfee_tion, in terms of stuff hidden within the images.

So far all we got was the NYT Crossword clue from them, and whatever themese we can see with the naked eye.

[gloomy anvil]

I once had a dream the password was "egg and 366", of course that made total sense at the time 😅

[gloomy anvil]

and 6,6,6 :)

[earnest wagon]

Where did that come from?

[fresh quiver]

you dont had nightmares yet of the cursed "we want you" pictures?

[earnest wagon]

Huh, thanks! No Idea how I missed this one.

And the background of the white one isn't opaque is it. Slightly darker on one side too.

Given the duality of these images it seems reasonable that if the background of one yields a clue, the same must be true of the other.

I swear I can still make out something in the right side of _tion. Like the patterns are forming handwritten notes.

[shadow shore]

Weird, I didn't realise there was a light casting a shadow

[earnest wagon]

You've made that much clearer than I've been able to.

[shadow shore]

29a website for the win

[earnest wagon]

Thanks, I'll check that out.

[shadow shore]

It's user friendly for plebs like myself

[earnest wagon]

The shadow is important though - a definite gradient of some sort.

[shadow shore]

Yeah true

[earnest wagon]

Very definitive lines too.

[shadow shore]

I can't see anything in this but thought I'd share it anyway

[earnest wagon]

There's definitely more noise in the lower right.

[shadow shore]

Am I having a stroke or is a light "grid" visible

[young belfry]

This channel is for schizos

[earnest wagon]

Welcome to the club!

[shadow shore]

Damn straight

[earnest wagon]

There's three parallell lines running across the image.

This is the best example I have so far:

Top left and bottom right, and again in the middle right - in yellow.

[shadow shore]

Hmm

[earnest wagon]

No idea what this is showing me:

[gloomy anvil]

thought that was an ear for a sec

[shadow shore]

Well if there are things within the image, they're hidden well

[earnest wagon]

If this was promotional material, I'd think there would be an argument for it just being a subtle overlay used to bump the perceived quality of an image.

But this is specifically a clue. Either there's something hidden there, or the texturing is to make this question mark look like egg shell, in much the same way that tfee-ques has been given the shiny treatment to look gold.

[shadow shore]

Yeah that makes sense

Does Rob only eye things when he's actively giving us clues, or does he drop them anytime?

[snow walrus]

we know
ques => yolk
tion => shell
but what to do with 🤔

[earnest wagon]

Is that confirmed? I've got _ques = Gold

[snow walrus]

that's another interpretation yea

[fresh quiver]

gold is the yolk. and egg is calcium is shell

[rotund elbow]

there was clues pointing to yolk inside the "egg" tiers, so i dont think gold is pointing towards yolk again

[hard forge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux

@earnest wagon @turbid tinsel can you relate anything to it?

[earnest wagon]

Nothing comes to mind I'm afraid. It's in the Southern sky, and the lead I've been working down only covers the Northern sky.

Actually, that might not be true.

It covers what can be seen from the British Empire.

Which I suppose back then was a tad bigger.

But it doesn't cover Crux.

[hard forge]

Orion belt (3 Kings/3 sisters) was used as a clue for 3 in vitellus

[earnest wagon]

Ooh, didn't know that... Another nudge towards constellations then.

Speaking of which - I have another thought.

This time involving what might be a clue in the Bars and Spaces sticker.

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1199692820454322306

I'll put the idea out there for consistency.

[hard forge]

Ursa Major moving group wiki Table 1 has familiar numbers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursa_Major_moving_group

[shadow shore]

Could those yellow lines be the lining of the shadows? In the darker image I think they line up

[earnest wagon]

They are, but weirdly not all the shadows have those yellow lines.

You can see there's a few lines that seeming emanate from the top right corner, but there's a few ways in which those three lines specifically become clear.

[hard forge]

From Rob's Notes #easter-eggs message

[shadow shore]

This image is a visual quandary

[earnest wagon]

No idea why, or even what I'm doing to get that result - I'm just methodically working through every slider combination.

[shadow shore]

Yeah that's what I was doing. What does "principal component analysis" even mean 😮‍💨

[earnest wagon]

This could just be a clue that constellations are important - or it's use was just for that one solution. But good to know about it regardless.

[earnest wagon]

It makes things disco.

[shadow shore]

Then I'm all for it

[fresh quiver]

this hunt follows me everywhere apparently lol. wanted to watch my series and the first episode of the new season is named memory lane 😭

[earnest wagon]

I keep finding myself down weird rabbit holes, noticing way too many coincidences. The wiki page for Sex Magic was harder to dismiss than it should have been.

[hard forge]

You will never find peace until you find the Anser

[shadow shore]

They have a page for that now..?

[earnest wagon]

You can help by contributing to it too.

[shadow shore]

Haha good to know!

[hard forge]

He commented on G Type stars too

[earnest wagon]

I think that comment was something like "I would have hoped we would have discovered that by now" but it was in response to our sun.

Which we discovered a few years ago at least.

[hard forge]

make sense

[shadow shore]

I feel we have so many things to consider. This is like mental juggling

[earnest wagon]

Yup. I'd recommend finding a tool or something to organise thoughts. Padlet is working well for me so far.

[hard forge]

But then again ..what about a good place to find constellations in vegas?

[shadow shore]

That's why I was hoping that the two question marks were actually asking us a question...

[hard forge]

fig jam 🙂

[shadow shore]

Sounds tasty

[hard forge]

fig jam by figma

[fresh quiver]

somewhere hidden in the LED dots that are everywhere on the buildings of vegas 😄

[shadow shore]

Well this may take a while...

Like if it were asking us a question, then we could hone in on an answer. I'm failing to find a link as to why the two Tier main clues are not only question marks, but make the word "question"

[earnest wagon]

I thought the question was "Who laid the Golden Egg?" for a time.

For some reason I had in my head that this question was also an established saying of sort.

[fresh quiver]

I thought of this ingame looked at some and just thought: nope. I’m gonna get even more mental insane when I look at each of them

[shadow shore]

Haha yeah don't go down that path...

[shadow shore]

Same, but then I thought it was the "What do you get when you cross..."

[fresh quiver]

i would report back in more then 2 weeks when i would do that. there are just toooo many

[shadow shore]

Gold and calcium carbonate....you get that calacatta marble. Which looks remarkably like the skin in game

[hard current]

just something put out there: even if it’s “dry” right now, we are not supposed to be inundated with clues

we have to actually think;)

[earnest wagon]

Which came first?

[fresh quiver]

he never eyed marble. dont know if we should go down this path again

[shadow shore]

Yeah that's the only reason why I hesitate to bring it up

[earnest wagon]

I don't think he's visited in the last two days though - so there's some possible breakthroughs and new ideas that could gain eyes and generate new thoughts from them.

[shadow shore]

Yeah that's what I was wondering

[gloomy anvil]

🕯️ 🕯️

[fresh quiver]

i think that he didnt responded 2 days ago or so is that they had a little "problem" as i read in #game-announcements

[gloomy anvil]

tbh we've been a bit spoiled with clues lately, at least I think so

we have what we need

[shadow shore]

Maybe next time he's in chat we should fire at him single word ideas. Like virtual charades

[gloomy anvil]

maybe that's just bc I joined during the holidays when SR was on break

[earnest wagon]

Wild, I didn't even see that - in fairness I've not played the game as much since getting into the EE, which is ironic.

Rob's busy rolling a mousepad into a cryptex and hiding it in an as yet undiscovered Egyptian tomb.

[shadow shore]

This is true to be fair

[fresh quiver]

wouldnt wonder me lol

[shadow shore]

Maybe too spoiled, we have so many eggs in the basket to extract one solid anwer haha

Hmm maybe we should all just focus on one thing and systematically knock them out using our collective hive mind

[earnest wagon]

Just looking at my list of 'Things that bother me'.

#easter-eggs message

This image got eyed. at the time the discussion was around V / 5.

Something I'm being careful not to presume, or at least try and determine through context, is whether or not Rob eyes something because it's connected to what's being said, or because it contains a clue in itself.

[shadow shore]

Oh boy

[earnest wagon]

If I had said something early on about precious metals, that may have gotten eyes - because in hindsight GOLD clearly fit that - but if my coment had been in response to something about Silver, we might have ended up focusing on the wrong metal.

[shadow shore]

Well he did mention "going back to the board" somewhere... maybe we should all take a look at it again

[hard forge]

Just throwing it here ♌ 🦁

[shadow shore]

Hmm the Tier 2 question mark images aren't backwards tho

[earnest wagon]

The thing about this image: #easter-eggs message

Is it solves a 'Thing that bothers me' about this one:

[shadow shore]

But still

[shadow shore]

Yeah, the only niggle I have with that is... on the white board, it has 2 little pieces connecting to the top piece. Then 3 connecting to the bottom?

[earnest wagon]

Yup, and conversely there's one of those solutions I don't think belongs in the Tier 1 'strands'.

[shadow shore]

Yes!!

[hard forge]

I blame T1C

[shadow shore]

1 thread contains 2 truths and the other contain 3

Love that

But which ones...

[earnest wagon]

Tier 1C never sat well with me. I think I've complained about it before.

[shadow shore]

Okay process of elimination time..

[earnest wagon]

All of the others have clear connections to their themes, but the best explanation for that one I've seen just doesn't work for me.

[hard forge]

second best guess would 1E

[earnest wagon]

1064 is exactly the melting point of gold.

79 is absolutely it's atomic number.

[velvet narwhal]

maybe the vvv namatama can help?

The mirror is golden and on the mirror is the connection to space.
The namatama is caesar.
So maybe
3: Gold, Mirror, Space
2: Egg, Latin

[shadow shore]

Yep

Soo hmm

[hard current]

imo mendelevium atomic structure is an outlier

[shadow shore]

But maybe each of these truths need to relate. Or am I overthinking again?

like the 3 need to relate somehow and the 2 need to

[earnest wagon]

Yup. It just seems so odd. It could arguably point to the Tier 2 solution being an element - that's the best I've got.

[shadow shore]

Or a combination of?

[earnest wagon]

Clues:

T1DEF:

• Yolk
• Calcium carbonate (shell)
• 3d oval

Pretty clear that's egg.

T1ABC:

• Element?
• Gold Atomic Number
• Gold Melting Point

Maybe T1C was meant as an aid to point us towards elements, but it still seems iffy.

[shadow shore]

If we only knew the 5 truths and we're content with them, we could mix and match them

I presumed in the above image that the two threads were gold and egg... or are they truths?

[pulsar mason]

I’m still worried the 5 truth things isn’t so literal, we’ve been discussing it for weeks more and gotten nowhere

[shadow shore]

Hmm yeah this is true

[earnest wagon]

I've also linked the 5 truths to Ophelia in a more direct manner.

[shadow shore]

The only thing that makes me now consider that the two threads, or the two "middle" words, are gold and egg because of the structure of the TFEE webpage... Tier 2 ABC and DEF are clearly seperated and both on the same line sorta thing

[earnest wagon]

This installation was literally called 'Five Truths:'

[shadow shore]

and each previous password, make up those two words

[pulsar mason]

#easter-eggs message this was my favourite idea so far

[earnest wagon]

Yup, and there's lots of 'tier' imagery in the Hospital whiteboard. And they're literally called Tiers.

I suspect the answer is going to be 'above' GOLD+EGG. A progenitor of sorts.

[shadow shore]

Yeah just read that, I like

[earnest wagon]

I still think this is true - I had to abandon the thought for a while and run down some other theories, hoping they would tie back up again.

Somehow that lead to me re-reading Paradise Lost.

[shadow shore]

Golden Hatchling? 😂

[earnest wagon]

I also found Namatama's cousin; Navigamatama:

[shadow shore]

So yeah I see that, we're working up the chain. What creates two things, then the two things combined

[earnest wagon]

Namatama might be related to Kim Jong Un...

[shadow shore]

Ima look at the white board again

Blue black and red pens, might be something of significance?

Each colour relating to the aspect of the EE solution. Spit balling here

[earnest wagon]

There's some Gold/Red/White imagery (At least, I think that's right) that I had linked to my Philospher's Stone ideas.

[shadow shore]

Hmmm

[velvet narwhal]

the mirrors on the Webb Space Telescope are golden

[shadow shore]

Does anyone play the guiatar here?

Is this guitar related. I'm a caveman that can only play the drums

It's loading

[velvet narwhal]

#easter-eggs message

[earnest wagon]

That reminds me, this was taken with the James Webb - looking at part of the Vulpecula:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Papukh94ik

[earnest wagon]

One of those stars is the answer.

[velvet narwhal]

one of the clues in a past tier was a g6 chord for g = 6

[earnest wagon]

Yeah, I think that could actually be G6

It is.

[shadow shore]

Outrages

[earnest wagon]

Good spot though!

I hadn't noticed that there before.

[shadow shore]

Okay one down

[earnest wagon]

Was literally just looking at images of that board too.

[velvet narwhal]

i love the rob stickman in the 2nd image

[shadow shore]

Is anyone here a marine biologist?

[shadow shore]

Oh that was my second question.

It's Rob, not a sea serpent. Sorry Rob!

[earnest wagon]

Well... someone's not getting a clue.

[velvet narwhal]

at least i think its supposed to be rob

[snow walrus]

can be this?

[earnest wagon]

Oooh, probably! Hadn't seen that clue before.

[shadow shore]

Ooof, may be onto something

[snow walrus]

1.337 and 6 stand out

[hard forge]

why is that sky image and lined paper image not on Padlet yet?

[snow walrus]

that's the radio signal of the pulsar

[hard forge]

I meant the one shared by rob

[snow walrus]

ahh, last padlet may not be updated yet

[shadow shore]

@earnest wagon Does this mean, that this is an "open chord"

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1011929497139953744/1200450659581956156/THE_FINALS_2nd_whiteboard_thing_edit.png?ex=65c639cc&is=65b3c4cc&hm=2bec59e215167f14a542e1dbbc3cf44a129043e83695d687045d25bdeb928777&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1191&height=670

[hard forge]

@earnest wagon nudge nudge

[earnest wagon]

Yup

[shadow shore]

Yeah nudge him

[earnest wagon]

I'll dig through my email and accept the invite...

[shadow shore]

Okay so how are they written? Or would that just be linked to the G6 for context

[earnest wagon]

Just G6 I think.

[snow walrus]

yup its G6

[shadow shore]

So an open chord is written G6?

That's whacky, okay

[earnest wagon]

I'll have to dedicate some time to updating the main padlet - don't want to step on any toes.

[shadow shore]

Simple depiction of a Maze?

[earnest wagon]

The Embark logo.

[shadow shore]

Very good.

[earnest wagon]

Wait.. not it isn't.

[shadow shore]

Ahh

[earnest wagon]

I was thinking of this, on it's side - but it doesn't match.

[shadow shore]

They have that there too

[earnest wagon]

That's The Finals logo.

[shadow shore]

Ye I know that one

[earnest wagon]

Could be just another hint towards nesting / tiers.

[shadow shore]

Maybe

[earnest wagon]

The Finals logo is basically a reference to the tiered tournament style gameplay.

[shadow shore]

Wow I thought it was an F that's fallen down

[earnest wagon]

... It might actually be an F that's fallen down.

[shadow shore]

Like the famous stars and straps logo haha

[earnest wagon]

I think I'm just conditioned to look for iconography and patterns everywhere.

[shadow shore]

But on its side

[velvet narwhal]

There exist 3 dimensional pig pen ciphers btw: #easter-eggs message

[shadow shore]

Nice find!

[velvet narwhal]

this made me recall this message from rob. but it dont think its a 3d pig pen

[earnest wagon]

I wonder how you'd write a 3D pigpen cipher in 2D? Isometric?

Thing is, in-game it doesn't even need to be in 2D either.

[shadow shore]

...Holograms?

[velvet narwhal]

Ingame it would just have to be a 3x3x3 grid and you can fill it with every letter in the alphabet

[hard forge]

A 3D ❓ can be seen as "!" from side

[earnest wagon]

A cube with light up edges would give 12 possible lines, 8 possible corners, 4 possible entries per corner - 32 possible characters.

It's possible, I can sort of picture it in my mind. Would love to see a real example.

[shadow shore]

Did you just create a fact??

[velvet narwhal]

heres more about the 3d cipher from rob: #easter-eggs message

[valid lichen]

is it just me or do you think white rabbits would meow?

[shadow shore]

Woah

[earnest wagon]

I wish they would, they might be easier to find.

[shadow shore]

Nice

[valid lichen]

lol

[shadow shore]

Okay so I guess 3d ciphers are a go'er

Just googled them. Oh boy

[velvet narwhal]

I think 3d codes will be/are hidden somewhere but I don't think its relevant for this tier

[shadow shore]

That's good to hear

Alright back to the whiteboard

[hard forge]

3d?

oh. 3d not relevant. fine

[velvet narwhal]

it could be relevant, i just think it isn't

[valid lichen]

good morning

[shadow shore]

So the top right image. The "cracked" object... it has another one next to it, but it's cracked less symmetrically

[velvet narwhal]

good afternoon

[shadow shore]

Good 1:30am Saturday

[velvet narwhal]

i love the internet

[valid lichen]

did i miss anything important?

[hard forge]

the password

[jagged axle]

to me it looks like a completed puzzle almost

[shadow shore]

Yeah, or suggesting "pieces of a puzzle" or something similar. The two of them are in pretty close proximity, so "two" of whatever they are, might be of some significance

Also, " 44444". Five 4s...so 20?

20 *

[gloomy anvil]

I think the 137s within the T1C password was interpreted as 137.5, the golden angle

[snow walrus]

these are solved iirc

[earnest wagon]

Yeah, it sorta fits. It just didn't seem as neat a solution as the others.

[shadow shore]

Oh true...

[gloomy anvil]

def not

but we know gold is the theme of ABC so I suppose it has to be

[earnest wagon]

The word 'vulpeculated' means 'to be robbed by a fox'.

Not really relative, but it's a fun fact.

[shadow shore]

That means that it's happened so many times, they needed to create a word for it 😂

[snow walrus]

hey look at the bottom

0 1 2 ...

black dots

[snow walrus]

reminds anything??
#easter-eggs message

[earnest wagon]

Yup, I mentioned these could be what that couples image was referring to.

In Urania's Mirror, they use a similar thing. Holes in the cards of different size to denote the magnitude of the stars.

[fresh quiver]

mentioned that yesterday already. think that are the relatively distances to us.
as it would fit with the 3 stars of orion.

[earnest wagon]

I'm sure one of the meanings points to star maps.

[fresh quiver]

yes they do

[earnest wagon]

Ooh, my theory was they could be cut out and looked through to line up with the stars, just like the cards.

[fresh quiver]

check both and tell me your opinion please. Either we can rule that out what i said or it could be possible

#easter-eggs message

#easter-eggs message

[earnest wagon]

That seems plausible, but I would expect something else in that image to directly tie to Orion, or for the stars to line up for it to be a strong link.

[shadow shore]

Maybe if we looked for an alignment that is this angle?

[earnest wagon]

I hadn't considered matching them with actual charts - are those sizes numbers accounting for size? Do all star maps use the same legend?

[shadow shore]

No idea but that's what I was sorta leaning towards

[earnest wagon]

I think @pure loom looked into this, or at least shared an image looking into it.

[velvet narwhal]

orions belt is like that

[shadow shore]

Ahh

[shadow shore]

Hmm well it worked for the Men in Black

[fresh quiver]

exactly. and this is the second thing why i guess its referring to orions belt

but didnt mentioned that

[snow walrus]

may be or not but there are IAU and SKY&Telescope signs maybe its a standard

[hard forge]

this is what I was referring too

[earnest wagon]

Where are they?

[snow walrus]

here

[earnest wagon]

Oh, I thought you meant in the couples image.

That would have been huge!

[shadow shore]

I like the Orion's belt theory though

No idea it's relevance if it is however

Good song too

[earnest wagon]

Wait...

[hard forge]

what are the radius of the circles?

in pixels ofcourse

[shadow shore]

Um how do?

Is there a way to measure them or do you want me to count them?

[velvet narwhal]

I think those numbers are the radii #easter-eggs message

[hard forge]

#easter-eggs message

#easter-eggs message

[snow walrus]

black dot means Star

[earnest wagon]

Hmm, the stars are in the right order for Orion's Belt

[velvet narwhal]

Didn't know they can be called Three Kings. Could be a connection with all the '3' hints rob made

[hard forge]

#easter-eggs message

Connect the dots

[earnest wagon]

Here's the card for Orion:

[velvet narwhal]

Discord sent me to the wrong message. Was referring to this: #easter-eggs message

[earnest wagon]

Yup, connecting them would make the belt.

[velvet narwhal]

Why is discord jump to message so scuffed for me

[earnest wagon]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Orions-Egg-Mark-Lang/dp/B09PHHB85J

[fresh quiver]

well

could fit

[shadow shore]

All in favour of Orion

say i

[fresh quiver]

my saying since yesterday 😄

[snow walrus]

labeled numbers are magnitude of stars like: 1 is very bright, 3 is fainter and so on

[fresh quiver]

it depends on the viewing angle. but these are pretty accurate distances between them when you lay them directly over the couple image

[hard forge]

OPEN YOUR EYES OPEN YOUR EYES OPEN YOUR EYES

[shadow shore]

Open your ears

[fresh quiver]

open your minds

[earnest wagon]

https://www.inprnt.com/gallery/orionverse/open-your-eyes/

[velvet narwhal]

time for some trepanation

[earnest wagon]

Was there anything concluded for the Namatama in that couples image?

[fresh quiver]

atleast then im the only one who doesnt mind (badummts) anymore about finding the password and going crazy

[shadow shore]

So even if it means Orion's belt... why Orion tho

[earnest wagon]

It's weird. We've got a firm clue to Vulpecula.

It could be that these clues just point to Constellations as a theme.

In which case Urania's Mirror is our best lead still I believe.

Trouble is, I'm not sure there's any clues to other constellations.

I'm still trying to chase down something in #1199692820454322306 that might yield something.

[hard forge]

OPENYOUREYES

[earnest wagon]

Short of buying a very expensive telescope though, the internet has not been helpful.

[earnest wagon]

The right letters don't repeat.

There's some ciphers that will account for that mind.

[hard forge]

yes I didn't think about it

[velvet narwhal]

shouldn't the holtow barcode be also in there?

[earnest wagon]

Is that a T3 clue?

[velvet narwhal]

#1185727960980922488 message

[snow walrus]

maybe helps in some cases

[earnest wagon]

I'm looking over the Holtow stuff now and adding it to my board.

Current theory is that it links with burrw.gif and might be a diamond clue.

[gloomy anvil]

👀 did you decode it?

[hard forge]

nope

[hard forge]

#easter-eggs message

[gloomy anvil]

darn it's close though

[sharp flame]

313.82.444.84.576.110.112.264.231.292.444.232

[snow walrus]

Apparent magnitude (K): 6.666
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WR_86

[snow walrus]

#easter-eggs message

[shadow shore]

Alright I'm up, what are we doing

[earnest wagon]

I’m indisposed for a bit, but might have linked Holtow barcodes to Vulpecula. Possibly a hint towards the diamond tier stuff too.

Started writing up an analysis of that number string, but duty calls!

[sharp flame]

finding the last rabbit

or two

[shadow shore]

Ah rabbit season

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011929497139953744/1181745160560836648/image.png?ex=65c2c672&is=65b05172&hm=536f5520e07cafb90747d0fb72190719ca5f19a2c9a25782b956cb7a40f56ab6&

This thought just came before me in a dream. So the "truths" or the smaller words, they're an awfully specific shape. Could it be that the words were written out, then traced around, then they removed the words... leaving the shape?

[sharp flame]

could be talking about pieces we have to fit together

[shadow shore]

Ahh that's probably it, yeah

[rotund elbow]

#easter-eggs message like the qr code?

[valid lichen]

yeah true

[timid solstice]

Happy Friday yolks!

[snow walrus]

H4ppy Frid4y ylks!

[earnest wagon]

It just occurred to me.

Vulpecula -> Vulpecated = 'to be robbed by a fox' + Mirror =

To be foxed by a Rob.

[valid lichen]

👁️👄👁️

[earnest wagon]

Doing Noise analysis on the couples image reveals a grid:

[fresh quiver]

someone tried to overlay images over burrw.gif?

[hasty anvil]

Try overlaying the grid version onto keep it simple?

Remember that dot on keep it simple? might give grid coordinate and a number

[earnest wagon]

Have you got a link?

[hasty anvil]

#official-art message

[earnest wagon]

I'll have a play around - got something else on, so might be a while.

[hasty anvil]

grid is about 18.5 x 23.5

[earnest wagon]

Notable smoke/cloud in the background too.

That might have been visible without editing - maybe I just have terrible eyesight.

[hasty anvil]

noise analysis gives this too

the Embark logo is super weird on this one

[earnest wagon]

I think I see the number 25 in the bottom right by the logo.

It's hard to say - has any other numbers been found on this?

Pretty late now - but a separate thread for each new artwork drop / namatama would make sense in terms of organisation.

[earnest wagon]

Ignore this - I was looking at the letter e. You know the one in the logo.

[hard current]

there’s a box over it

it was eyed by rob before

[shadow shore]

Were you using the 29a site for this?

Or another program?

[hasty anvil]

yeah that one

not sure what to do with it though

[shadow shore]

I'm trying to recreate your noise analysis. You can hover your mouse over an area and it applies magnification. Maybe try that to get a closer look after you apply the noise analysis?

[hasty anvil]

We had some connect the dots clues before

then this is error level

https://science.nasa.gov/resource/triple-crescents/

maybe the circles connect to Saturn's moons

[shadow shore]

Hmm I dunno. If it were something I feel it'd be more prominent

[hasty anvil]

Rob has eyed that there is a box around the logo but it was never figured out why

[shadow shore]

Oh right, I didn't know that one. Interesting

[shadow shore]

Here's some more smoke. A little clearer

Unless they're clouds?

[tired moat]

How do you guys do that

[shadow shore]

And has this been found before?

[shadow shore]

https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/#forensic-magnifier

[velvet narwhal]

Thats used to make this x #easter-eggs message

[shadow shore]

Ah right

[earnest wagon]

Wait, what were the other symbols!?

[shadow shore]

wasn't it a "b."

[velvet narwhal]

a A and b B but dont know what exact type of A it is

the b's can be seen in the image

[earnest wagon]

I think this could be a multi-faceted clue, pointing specifically at stars.

I can't go futher just now, but when I'm back I can dig into it.

[velvet narwhal]

yeah, i saw, that there are letters on uranias mirror too. you could draw lines between them too.

or if the big circles are orions belt then the letters could also be locations of real stars

[earnest wagon]

Real stars often use those symbols.

[shadow shore]

That could be the ticket.

[earnest wagon]

They often use greek letters, giving an order to them.

[shadow shore]

Any stars fit into this, on the overlay?

Hang on I can make it the original size

[snow walrus]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/TFEE_T1F

and of course, padlet
https://padlet.com/Kyne/the-promise-t1f-e13p6j3z8rtoabls

[shadow shore]

Ah the b is on the sniper stock then, I can't get it to appear

[fresh quiver]

not exactly

[pure loom]

This was it here (I can’t recall who originally measured this): #easter-eggs message

[shadow shore]

Cool thanks

[shadow shore]

Ah damn

[hasty anvil]

It's very faint but you don't need to edit the image to see it

[snow walrus]

yea beta is almost invisible

[shadow shore]

Ohh I was looking at the couples image the whole time 🫠

rip

[hasty anvil]

haha, it's guns and nama bottom of sniper stock

but that means we needed to overlay couples image on 2 other images now

[shadow shore]

Like we need to find another two?

[earnest wagon]

Ok, free for a bit now.

[hasty anvil]

I mean couples was used for 'guns and tama', and has relations to 'keep it simple'

[earnest wagon]

Thoughts I had while watching chat out of the corner of my eye.

[shadow shore]

Right I get you now, Soz still have sleep brain haha

[earnest wagon]

• It stands to reason you'd join alpha to beta right?

If those three circles represent Orions Belt, then they each also have a greek letter.

Top Left = Alnitak = ζ = Zeta

Middle = Ainilam = ε = Epsilon

Bottom Right = Mintaka = δ = Delta

[shadow shore]

I'd say so, and this may be a reference to that?

[earnest wagon]

Yup, could well be.

The greek alphabet goes:

Alpha
Beta
Gamma
Delta
Epsilon
Zeta
...

[hasty anvil]

We haven't figured out where to draw the lines from alpha and beta, but to get the 'X' on the yolk, alpha and beta didn't connect

[earnest wagon]

Unless Gamma is also hidden somewhere, I think this is another clue that points towards Soft Gamma-Ray Emitters

[hasty anvil]

Gamma rays connect to Pulsars too

[earnest wagon]

Yup. I've linked both specifically through Vulpecula here: https://padlet.com/suitablyodd/tfee-tier-3-ywpaq697vit7rc6s

[shadow shore]

Does the orientation of the nama on the LMG and the nama on her leg line up? Like if you prioritise placing the namas on top of each other... Even if the orientation of the images are whacky??

[earnest wagon]

If by some chance there is a Gamma hidden in there somewhere, I'd look in the bottom left.

[hasty anvil]

hmmm maybe, that could be how it would line up

[shadow shore]

Yeah that's what I was aiming at, I'm trying to open the images in the wiki but it's taking forever to load

May throw my laptop in the pool at this rate

[hasty anvil]

use offical art on discord for exact quality

[shadow shore]

Oh yessss

Hmm from what I'm looking at they don't align very well. I'm just doing a rough judgement of it though

I'm going through the wiki to see if there are any other images that have the halo namatama. Maybe that's what links all the images together

[earnest wagon]

Or 30 / 08 / 97

[hasty anvil]

1997 was the release year of The Curse of the Monkey Island

I was looking at the games wiki, saw 1997 and searched in here, it's also the dimensions of the box

someone did a word cloud during 1F which is interesting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guybrush_Threepwood#:~:text=In Monkey Island 2%3A LeChuck's,marrying at the game's conclusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_of_Monkey_Island
Following Rob's messages of Curse of the monkey island, and 'everything guybrush wants is right in front of him, OYE'

Voyager golden records connecting with pulsars he says is 'not really correct' maybe close?

and lastly this, i think this is the main tfee related messages from when he was last here

we got to mirror...

[hasty anvil]

he gives us the mirrored couples example right after telling us we need to mirror something now

[shadow shore]

How did we figure it to be the couple image to mirror?

[snow walrus]

these has been sent before?

[hasty anvil]

#easter-eggs message

[shadow shore]

Everything seems to be in order

[hasty anvil]

i'm blind what is it?

[shadow shore]

Numbers and other letters jumbled?

[snow walrus]

numbers can mean something

[hasty anvil]

what's the second one?

[snow walrus]

and that alarm thing cannot be destructible

maybe lights sometimes but i havent seen

[hasty anvil]

has this been seen before on vvv mirror?

[shadow shore]

I don't think so, Tetris!!

[snow walrus]

#easter-eggs message

[velvet narwhal]

I haven't seen this yet.

Where exactly is this on the mirror?

[shadow shore]

I think @pure loom meant the fire alarms you pull, like on the walls?

[hasty anvil]

https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/#error-level-analysis on this website, it's over the whole mirror

[hard forge]

sorry guys..i got late today.

What are we up to now?

[hasty anvil]

there's a couple patterns like that, so i'm not sure if it's significant

kind of just going through rob's most recent messages

Maybe we have to mirror the numbers on the new nama using the same method of alpha beta mirror

[gloomy anvil]

you don't know how much I wanted that to be a snippet from the Adventure map when I first saw it

I see squares = adventure

[velvet narwhal]

Does anyone know how 'Error Level Analysis' on 29a works?

Those patterns could be something.
Or just the method...

[gloomy anvil]

hm I don't know, it relies on reducing the JPEG quality which is always bound to produce such effects, e.g. 25

[hasty anvil]

that'd be a nice reference

The error levels gives a few weird patterns so i doubt it's something

[shadow shore]

Well the actual site says:

"This tool compares the original image to a recompressed version. This can make manipulated regions stand out in various ways. For example they can be darker or brighter than similar regions which have not been manipulated.

There is a good tutorial on ELA on fotoforensics.com.

The results of this tool can be misleading, watch the video and read the tutoria for details."

Under the help tab. So to answer your question, I don't know

Woah I should really read the Help section, instead of just blindly mashing all the buttons

[hard forge]

silly question.
did we solve the cross this time?

[velvet narwhal]

Yeah, I just looked at a few and its really helpful.

[shadow shore]

Um I don't think so, @earnest wagon had a banger of an idea though... if we can find the Gamma symbol than ummm

something about

I'll just link the post

[shadow shore]

#easter-eggs message

[earnest wagon]

Hmm... just had another thought.

If those three circles are in fact a reference to Orion's belt, and not the three stars of Alpha Centauri as has been mentioned previously, then the belt is the wrong way around.

Which was probably our clue to mirror it.

Plus, I'm checking now, but I wonder if points Alpha and Beta therefore line up to other stars in the Orion constellation.

[shadow shore]

I'd say so, because it was the image Rob also flipped in his message too

[earnest wagon]

Yup. They do.

Well... maybe not actually.

I'm doing this in my head atm.

Also, if it's mirrored the stars are the wrong way around - the correct method would be to rotate the image.

I'll try and knock up an example.

I've stuck simple labels where I think each of the points is (didn't actually check, the exact placement won't matter much for this example)

And here's Orion.

The belt (the circle ones across the middle, are in the right order left to right, but obviously tilted to the right.

Btw these labels are:

A = Alpha
B = Beta
Z = Zeta
E = Epsilon
D = Delta

Alpha = Betelgeuse (top left of Orion - second biggest star)

Beta = Rigel (bottom right of Orion - biggest star)

At best they're the right sides of the belt. The angles are way off, as are the distances.

What I did notice doing this though, is how Alpha and Beta are very obviously the wrong way around.

Could be they're there just to get us to flip the image?

[shadow shore]

Hang on, I wanna try something

[hasty anvil]

That's a really good point, the fact it's the wrong way round might be a mirror clue and second meaning of the circles

this moment must have been crazy reading back on it lol

[earnest wagon]

I see 'Open Your Eyes' is confirmed too in the wiki.

Getting late to this hunt has been an uphill climb - so much from previous tiers that would have been useful info and it's hard to work out what the line of reasoning was with a bunch of it too.

I'm seeing a load more constellation theme stuff that keeps cropping up.

[shadow shore]

What's with the gold Nama in the image?

Didn't see it on the padlet so I thought I'd ask. Unless it's there and I'm blind haha

[hasty anvil]

I'm not sure if Open Your Eyes was the confirmed meaning of OYE, I think there's more to it

[hasty anvil]

hmm I can't remember

especially since OYE - EOY was recently eyed

[shadow shore]

I've been messing around with the image for like half an hour and didn't notice it at all 😂

[hasty anvil]

I've been thinking of how to link g6 E3 to mirrors, E=3 can easily be seen as a mirror effect

g=6 maybe shows flip/rotate too

[earnest wagon]

It's made doubly difficult by things like this - Alpha Centauri got eyes according to the padlet, but there's no context provided as to what was said exactly.

Was it eyed because of Alpha Centauri specifically, or because of a looser connection.

System relative sizes for Alpha Centauri were also eyed, but is that because the relative size dots was correct, or because of the method of indicating star size was how we should work out it was about Orion?

At a guess I'd say the Alpha Centauri thread was probably correct, but I can't see a direct connection between that and the answer.

In addition this was a clue for the T1F time period. Perhaps not worth spending too much time on if everything we've received after Tier 2 completion can only point to Tier 3 (and diamond stuff I guess) then that material should be 'cleaner' to work with.

[hasty anvil]

keep in mind this tier's url is T3-F, might be useful

[earnest wagon]

I think Tier 2 URLs were weird too.

[shadow shore]

I may have found another thing on the guns and nama picture. I'll just double check the padlet to make sure it hasn't already been found

[hasty anvil]

reading the padlet, Alpha Centauri has links to Proxima Centauri, which has links to T1B password, from its 79 year orbit period

[shadow shore]

Nope been found.

[hasty anvil]

maybe a yellow clue

[shadow shore]

Did find it strange that the only gun that doesn't have the dark variant of the nama is the AK 🤔

#easter-eggs message

[hard forge]

Also G -Type sequence

[hasty anvil]

Rob's reaction. Maybe hinting earlier on how we needed to overlay more images together

#easter-eggs message

[hard forge]

exactly G2V

[hasty anvil]

#easter-eggs message another Rob thinking reaction about overlaying images

What if we overlay EVERY image from this level

[hearty meteor]

the result will be LMAO in bold yellow font

[hard current]

not a terrible idea

[snow walrus]

do you see some letters at the wall?

[hasty anvil]

B D A?

[snow walrus]

like embossed

[hard forge]

overlay images which have this

?

Ahh sorry for this white wall

[snow walrus]

im checking because one of the cannons aim is ended here

[cloud wyvern]

dumb thought, what if the cannon that is aimed at the building spawns a "projectile" in the rubble

would've probably been found by now

[shadow shore]

I advise you to shoot that wall

[snow walrus]

shooting all cannons is done earlier but wasn't me

[karmic wadi]

What cannon tho?

[snow walrus]

ahh

[karmic wadi]

Im trying to understand this easteregg stuff lmao

[snow walrus]

then your go-to is here

-egghunt

[wet leaf]

New to the hunt?

Check out #egg-hunt-onboarding
Catch up with this great summary: https://youtu.be/XaU6Fo2utBY
Follow the ongoing progress through Padlet: https://padlet.com/Kyne
Good hunting! 🥚

[karmic wadi]

Yee i understand that

Its really interesting and all

But damn is it so much information xD

[snow walrus]

yea but you will get used to it by time if you around here

[cloud wyvern]

i basically drop by to post bad theories and then go "mmhmm yes" at 99% of the shit i don't understand.

[karmic wadi]

xDD

I'll get it sometime ill try to understand in the meantime

[snow walrus]

checking old tier puzzles and clues may help to see how are solved

[cloud wyvern]

i'd love to use padlet but it seems so silly to me that you can't grab and move around with your mouse

[shadow shore]

Took me a while to process it, but don't overwhelm yourself! Just chip away at it when you can

[cloud wyvern]

unless im missing something? feels like a half completed idea.

[shadow shore]

Don't you just click your scroll wheel and then move the mouse?

[cloud wyvern]

ah, yeah, that works, need to turn my DPI down tho :v

still feels less intuitive than just adding a grabbing function with left click

[velvet narwhal]

yeah

[shadow shore]

Yeah I do agree, clicking the background and dragging would be good

Mine is really sensitive too but if you don't full send the mouse, you can go slower

[cloud wyvern]

so is it assumed that everything prior to T3 is a potential clue

or is there a hard stop

[snow walrus]

#easter-eggs message

rob explains here

[hasty anvil]

Most clues relate to their tier, but there's common themes we need to take from them

[cloud wyvern]

okay. i was trying to parse what rob was saying and my brain kind of started to sputter and smoke.

was he behind the BF4 megalodon too? i vaguely recall the EE hunters for that one basically just being told what to do at some point.

[shadow shore]

Phantom program and peacemaker from memory?

Could be wrong

[cloud wyvern]

i also vaguely recall that the big youtubers at the time were given "insider" info to help push the hunts along

[velvet narwhal]

Why are we actually using padlet?

[cloud wyvern]

for the fun red string crazy person conspiracy board novelty factor

[velvet narwhal]

No, I mean there are better programs.

Mural for example

[cloud wyvern]

i know

i can barely parse whats going on with the padlets because i remember only seeing the color legend once and i can't find it again so i have no idea what any of that shit means

does mural have a function where you can click on something and explode it? that would help immensely with visual clutter.

[hard forge]

Just posting is here. Thought something related to OYE.

[shadow shore]

Padlet seems good for us folk that aren't well versed with the modern computerings

[cloud wyvern]

lol see, i would use red as a dead end color.

red = stop

[hard forge]

red because ❌ in password page

ig

[cloud wyvern]

i'm nitpicking though.

i have a massive headache and trying to do anything else except work.

[hard forge]

That 1064 is oddly specific

[shadow shore]

Was that a clue?

[hard forge]

It was a password

Tier 1

[snow walrus]

https://reachthefinals.com/tfee-level2

[shadow shore]

Oh yes

[shadow shore]

Are infrared image filters a thing? 😂

[cloud wyvern]

depends on the context but yes absolutely

[hard forge]

this

[velvet narwhal]

Not for digital images.

[shadow shore]

Maybe we should look at the clues using one?

[shadow shore]

Ahh

[velvet narwhal]

digital images are only saved using rgb

[cloud wyvern]

what do we mean by digital image here though? you can modify a digital camera to shoot infrared images.

[velvet narwhal]

no i mean already saved images

[cloud wyvern]

gotcha

[shadow shore]

Damn, that would have been cool

[cloud wyvern]

knew a guy whos day job was just converting cameras into infrared. seemed like a cool gig, didn't last very long though.

[silver rock]

Back with a new look at the constellations in Vegas...

Here's where I'm at right now--I'm currently limited by my monitor's resolution and the amount of light in the map to really get a good look at where the stars are.

First photo is the original image, second is a highlight of some of the stars that fit with stellarium, and the third is where I'm at with the constellation reconstruction.

based on the location of the moon on the map, the current closest date to the Las Vegas map's skybox is November 18, 2032, 1:00am.

Hopefully I can attempt to get some better screenshots--especially with the north star in them.

[sharp flame]

you missed a star to the left of Auriga it looks like

[hasty anvil]

speaking of numbers, this looks very odd

[hearty meteor]

wdym

its korean

[hasty anvil]

someone posted one earlier and said it looks like numbers

[hearty meteor]

its literally korean

lmao

[hasty anvil]

Ik it's meant to be korean but also looks like 72e20

[hearty meteor]

korean be lookin funky

[snow walrus]

Geo tracker 🤔

[hasty anvil]

?

[snow walrus]

@hearty meteor is korean i think or knows korean

[storm leaf]

has anyone looked at the new contam couture set and the say cheese set

[hasty anvil]

Nvm it is Korean, weird it translates different

[hearty meteor]

its spelled out to sound like the english word

ka-fe-te-ri-a

[snow walrus]

Numbers confused me

[hasty anvil]

Ig google translate is bad for it too

[hearty meteor]

9+10=21

[snow walrus]

Huh?

[hearty meteor]

funni meme

[snow walrus]

😭

[hasty anvil]

I swear if Rob ever takes that and hides something in it

[snow walrus]

Technically we are at 2nd/3 level and that makes
THE %66 FINALS

[hushed beacon]

😭

i wonder what happens when we reach the finals

[snow walrus]

You win eternally, virtually

[hasty anvil]

I wonder when we reach the finals

[cloud wyvern]

here is as lossless i could get with converting some screenshots. compass pointed north in this screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/UF8C22x.jpeg

a bit overly sharp but

[silver rock]

hey this is great, thank you very much!

[hushed beacon]

thats a good image

[cloud wyvern]

the .jxr file i have is waaaaaay better if someone here can share it

[hushed beacon]

probably the best one of the sky ive seen

[silver rock]

so is "up" in the photo north?

[hushed beacon]

send it to me in dms

[cloud wyvern]

yeah center top my compass said north

[hearty meteor]

took me way too long to type lmfao

[hushed beacon]

there

[cloud wyvern]

i promise thats a real picture file lmao

[hard forge]

dayumm

[hearty meteor]

i have never heard of jxr before

[cloud wyvern]

never seen .jxr until using the nvidia screenshot feature

yeah

windows 11 has no problem opening it though, photoshop doesn't like it however.

[hard forge]

And my phone too

[hearty meteor]

wat are these

[cloud wyvern]

thats the death screen filter

i took these whilst dead

just amplified due to the filters i added to the screenshot parameters to really bring out the stars

[snow walrus]

Jpeg xr

[hard forge]

Is it possible to get this picture without dying?

[snow walrus]

https://speedtesting.herokuapp.com/imagedecoder/

Jpeg version

Anyway im out

[shadow shore]

I wonder what direction we need to face for the stars...Due north?

[hard current]

building my pc rn

gonna be able to solve EVERY easter egg after this

[velvet narwhal]

Hide a SR in your pc to bless it

[cloud wyvern]

i could a bit later but if anyone has the geforce experience overlay enabled you can press alt + f2 to get the enhanced screenshot feature

pressing F12 in game will remove your hud to clear things up

[shadow shore]

I thought this was a little weird too. I don't think it was in the beta

[shadow shore]

You can remove your hud on pc...?

[cloud wyvern]

yep. at least i can lmao

load up a match and press F12 to see what happens. its also the default Steam screenshot key so it does both at once.

[molten bolt]

i marked myself the brightest stars - maybe i can see something better (first time doing anything here) xD

[shadow shore]

Plugging laptop into ps5 to press F12 brb

[cloud wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/rocco-botte-rocco-botte-hacker-hack-gif-14810330

[shadow shore]

Hax

[bronze dew]

What no achievement to destroy the church 😦

[gloomy anvil]

you destroyed the whole cathedral?

[earnest wagon]

A giant rubber duck beat you to it.

[turbid tinsel]

I get that the star reference on Vegas in there, but if rob said it would be hard to follow, shouldn't we do more research on what he gave us on the monkey island game reference?

[shadow shore]

I thought that was a hint for finding the 3 headed monkey?

[turbid tinsel]

He mentioned it before saying there was a 3 headed monkey in game so I figured that was just extra

[shadow shore]

Right

[hasty anvil]

Monkey Island was hinted at before game release too wasn't it? it might have more meaning

[shadow shore]

If the Guybrush reference wasn't a direct clue towards the monkey, then we have no indication on how to find it. And knowing Rob, it'd be behind a sequence of things I'd say

Or a certain set of conditions

[turbid tinsel]

ANS+WER

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomic_nervous_system

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wer

Father of ANS or maybe CNS based on how our last pictures were presented?

Trying to think outside the box

[shadow shore]

I actually like the "Answer" answer haha

[gloomy anvil]

I've noticed rob says "little" a lot, and sometimes capitalizes it. It's probably just his vocabulary, but the word also pops up here and there.

• CP1919's source has been referred to as little green men
• Vulpecula in Latin is little fox
• Lacerta (in Urania's mirror #14) is nicknamed Little Cassiopeia

[gloomy anvil]

Just now reading about the summer triangle so forgive me if this is an old theory.

Vulpecula, who's brightest star is Anser, is located in the middle of the Summer Triangle. The three points of the triangle are defined by Altair, Deneb, and Vega, the brightest stars of their respective constellations, Aquila, Cygnus, and Lyra. That puts the Anser (to the question) in the middle of a triangle created by those stars/constellations.

Have we experimented with this direction a lot?

[shadow shore]

Not sure that specific direction that I know of

[gloomy anvil]

Rob's callbacks to the line and geometry type clues from previous tiers reinforces this train of thought for me.

No idea where Mirrors or 666 and VVV would be involved though

Edit: 666 is a triangle number.

[paper scroll]

what if the overall lore is they game show is used to summon demons?

[cloud wyvern]

that would explain the FCAR/Recon mediums

[paper scroll]

something akin to amanda the adventurer game

[grand panther]

monaco first try tell me ideas to do on that map

[lapis hull]

Egg.

[hard current]

got my pc built

forgot to mf put windows on a drive for boot

guess we wait until tomorrow

ONWARD WITH THE HUNT

[hushed beacon]

bro tell me why ive been waiting for you to finish build it since earlier 😭

i saw that message hours ago

[hard current]

I’ll be honest I took a fun substance (water) so it took much longer (I am so hydrated) but I thoroughly enjoyed myself

[hushed beacon]

dawg whatttt?!?!?!?!?

i saw that

then just say that 😭 got me imagining the most wildest thing

[hard current]

cm’s don’t like that kind of talk so 😳😂

but anyways, should keep this chat ee related, I’ll see yall tomorrow!!

[hushed beacon]

see you tommorow !

[rotund elbow]

lok how many times he said hole

[runic barn]

I found this in the closed beta 2 trailer

And what they say about seeking truth behind walls

I reckon it has to do with the edges of the map

[fallen jasper]

it was found already on Monaco building site

a pixel text saying "S Lies"

[solar pier]

I've been going frame by frame through the trailers and have come up with nothing that nobody's found out already

[solar pier]

CNS: Christian news system

[fathom moat]

Scan the QR on the holtow receipt sticker

[earnest wagon]

It doesn't scan.

#1185727960980922488

#1199692820454322306

Also, morning all!

Good news, we're getting the password today!

I did some thinking last night, and the only reason we haven't got the password yet, is because we haven't worked out what it is.

So we just do that today and we're good.

[fresh quiver]

Very optimistic 😄

Just can hunt this afternoon/noon. In the mid of moving 😂

But will peak sometimes here if I got an idea

[civic trellis]

Hopefully 🙏🏻

Did you guys see this?

[earnest wagon]

Hmm, that does look interesting. I'll take a further look in a bit.

For reference:

It's like the actual Holtow logo emblem has been placed over another octagon.

www.holtow.com has what appears to be a flashing red circle.

But on closer inspection it's actually a flashing red square, with a circular mask over the top.

I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but that's basically how the centre of the Holtow logo works.

There's no actual circle, just one fashioned out of the square frame that surrounds it.

There was some promising theories about lunar eclipses, and in the example you posted the emblem is eclipsing another octagonal shape.

[gloomy anvil]

Maybe discord search is still broken but I'm not seeing any recent mentions of O. J. Eggen, who discovered the Arcturus Stream, in which Alpha Vulpeculae (Anser) resides.

The letters o l n g g g e e d from the 1.2.0 patch notes can also make up Eggen, perhaps not as their primary meaning, but a secondary reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olin_J._Eggen

[earnest wagon]

Good find!

Does the number 53 resonate anywhere?

[terse saffron]

New smg skin has this on it

[earnest wagon]

Not sure if it means anything.

[terse saffron]

T3 is kinda self explanitory

I'm thinking it could be a "this is the format of the password" thing

[earnest wagon]

True. Maybe worth considering as a format option.

What's the symbol next to it?

[terse saffron]

Uh

Null iirc

Lemme check

[gloomy anvil]

#1199755408588415016 message

[terse saffron]

oo ty

[earnest wagon]

Oh, I didn't see the duck before.

[terse saffron]

Sry didn't see the thread

[earnest wagon]

90% of The Finals players wondering what all these seeming random skins are about...

"Shh! They're talking to us!"

[desert palm]

hi

[gloomy anvil]

Hm if this is relevant due to the T3:, I wonder what WPS76 means.

WPS 1976?

[sharp flame]

2 more Rabbits.. 1 hidden behind some barrels...

[desert palm]

Who can help me? My game has been banned for a long time

[alpine whale]

Wait, I remember T3

It was in one of the trailers, hidden in one of the glitch transitions
#easter-eggs message

Is this a connection?

[earnest wagon]

You're in the wrong channel, try #⚡┇the-finals-chat

[terse saffron]

There's also the blurred section, t hat's definitely relevant

[desert palm]

thanks

[gloomy anvil]

I think the blur is a barcode, there are barcodes all over this bundle

The 8k pic has it clearer

so far none of our scans have returned anything (yet)

[alpine whale]

Not even any numbers worth mentioning?

[terse saffron]

Hey, symbol is different on the screenshots

On the thread, it's arrows, on mine it's a circle with a line through it

[desert palm]

Who can I find on this channel@earnest wagon

[terse saffron]

#📧┇contact-us go here

Wrong chat

[gloomy anvil]

Ok so I just found Edith Smith, born in 1876, the first UK female police officer and part of the Women's Police Service (WPS)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Smith_(police_officer)

I don't know if it's relevant but it's an interesting connection to the skin

[terse saffron]

Might be

Any correlation to anything else we've found?

[sharp flame]

https://www.wps-international.com/

https://watfordphilharmonic.co.uk/wp2019_B/wps-concert-may-1976/ or the World Philharmonic Orchestra concert 1976

https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?entryid=1166 or the Wang Word Processing System, 1976

(the first CRT word processor)

[terse saffron]

<@&1012034066876473384>

Multiple messages, already been redirected

[wanton sundial]

Thanks

[faint rivet]

Makes me wonder if it’s ON a barrel 🤔

[snow walrus]

it was on big screen, center-bottom of low gravity(?) modifier

[earnest wagon]

I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure I saw a reference to CRT in the data of a png I was analysing a few days ago.

I think it's likely a normal part of the file or a coincidental arrangement of letters, but mentioning it just in case.

Can't remember which image, but likely to be VVV or the couples one.

Plus I think it falls foul of the metadata rule (I was just poking at the features 29a had to offer).

[earnest wagon]

If they're the bottom pixels of letters, it might be worthwhile to work up an array of all possibilities.

[snow walrus]

might been sent before idk

[hard forge]

pig pen?

[earnest wagon]

Some of them don't work with pig pen. But it's a good thought, quite a few of the shapes would.

The characters (if that's what they are) are a different number of pixels in width.

Which is just...

...splendid.

[fresh quiver]

Just mirror them? As you would lay the mirror on the upper half of it

[earnest wagon]

OCHIOIOCC??HICIII?

That's eyeballed though.

Edit: Ignore this comment, I was being reckless with terminology.

[hard forge]

where?

[earnest wagon]

Not the best analysis, but it might help:

Given the width of some of the sections that look more like letters, I'd say we're likely seeing half, or 2/5s of each character. So I accomodated for the latter when comparing to similar 8 bit-style characters.

Something to consider though, if this this is on the bottom of the screen, wouldn't we be missing the bottom half, not the top?

Mirror-flipped up:

And down:

Mirrored and merged (because why not?):

[snow walrus]

?

can you link it

[earnest wagon]

I meant I mirrored the text you shared in my head.

Oh... sorry.

I meant eyeballed as in. 'That's what I think it will say, just by looking at it.'.

I forgot 'eyeballed' was something entirely different here. Catastrophic choice of words. My bad!

[gloomy anvil]

I'm very confident in "anser" being closely related to the password, but afaik we've never got eyes on it 🫠

Maybe we're just not being precise enough yet

[snow walrus]

T3 is a walk in the park.
Shouldn't we search for a golden egg or something in a park?

[earnest wagon]

I think I pushed heavily on 'anser' being part of it (I mean it just makes awesome sense) but you're right - nothing seems to have come from it.

It's likely just a path to related things that if Rob eyed would send us travelling backwards down that same path, and further from the prize.

[snow walrus]

There are park activities for gold egg hunt in internet

[earnest wagon]

Yeah, they're reasonably common, in the UK at least - not sure about elsewhere.

[snow walrus]

i saw one in Edinburgh

[earnest wagon]

They're definitely a sight to behold.

Once a year we tell children there's a golden egg to be found in the forests. They run in looking for it.

The secret is, there is no egg. There never was an egg. The only gift is the one we provide the malevolant forest spirits upon whose land we reside. Those that see him and live describe a pastel-coloured monstrosity with long ears and a wicker basket.

The Easter Bunny doesn't lay eggs.

They lay traps.

[gloomy anvil]

You could probably find a lot of astronomers' status in parks, like Johannes Hevelius.

(spitballing)

[earnest wagon]

There's a few observatories and things I've checked out. There's one named after Urania in Zurich. The top kind of looks like an egg, but then, it would wouldn't it? It's an observatory.

Ok... thought splurge time!

I think the VVV image is our strongest start to solving this.

For one, we know it directly relates to the T3 password.

We've also managed to decipher three elements from it:

CAESAR
MIRROR
JOCELYN BELL BURNELL

There's some other stuff, like the numbers in the corners we haven't worked out yet. But it stands to reason that the rest ought to point towards the answer.

I was able to link this all to Urania's Mirror

Plus the Vulpecula constellation.

However it seems to have petered off at that point.

The other clues point to a number of things, and I think the strongest running theme is Navigation.

OYE = Open Your Eyes

Stuff about lost Captains

Going forwards

etc.

Trouble is, I also think this needs to link back to the main theme of this level. GOLD + EGG.

Presumably we also need to account for the QUES+TION too.

The QUES+TION images are the second main clue I reckon we should focus on. We know they're directly meant to point to T3 too, and the main thing we've taken from them is the NYT Crossword puzzle.

There'll no doubt be some finangling when it comes to the format of the password itself - something that other clues might aid with, but until we find something that satisfies the directions that those two main clues are pointing in, we won't know what words to start messing with.

At the moment, I'm researching Quadrants, Octants, Sextants as they further satisfy the Celestial Navigation theme I've been running down.

In addition I've added Astrolabes because they kinda often look like gold round things (not much, I know).

It's leading to some interesting possibilities, such as Edmund Gunter. a 16-17th century astonomer from Wales that, among other things, invented the Gunter's Quadrant.

[gloomy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/handshake-agreed-deal-nice-bro-gif-11155342

yes I'll keep posting gifs of this movie until we solve T3

[earnest wagon]

Oooh, there's a thing called Pulsar Navigation

They're potentially using it for the Orion missions.

This is either promising, or proof that there's only a finite number of science words, and I've read most of wikipedia.

[fallow agate]

Any progress?

[snow walrus]

flowers at the training mode are Ophelia's flowers

[earnest wagon]

The ones at the training grounds are roses.

In the play, Ophelia lists the flowers she has, and they're different.

[snow walrus]

isn't flower a generic term

[earnest wagon]

There’s rosemary, that’s for remembrance.
Pray you, love, remember. And there is pansies,
that’s for thoughts. . . .
There’s fennel for you, and columbines.
There’s rue for you, and here’s some for me; we
may call it herb of grace o’Sundays. You must wear
your rue with a difference. There’s a daisy. I would
give you some violets, but they withered all when
my father died. They say he made a good end.```

It's mostly herbs.

[snow walrus]

hmm

[earnest wagon]

In fairness, she's quite mad at that point.

[snow walrus]

checking act 4

[sharp flame]

she has a rose named after her

[gloomy anvil]

I know I said we were spoiled for clues but I would take some eyes at this stage 🕯️🕯️🕯️

[earnest wagon]

Eyes would certainly be helpful.

[earnest wagon]

There's got to be some coincidences that are just uncanny.

I'm going back over notes and checking things. I realise I no longer have any strong links to Caesar, apart from it maybe being a nod to the use of latin again (or my theory about the Brutus mirror scene)

While going back over discarded ideas, I came across this one - the only solid connection between Caesar and Urania I've found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCEE7wS5lC8

Only this time I checked the lyrics.

"Let Caesar and Urania live,
Let all delights the stars can give
Upon the royal pair descend,
Let discord to the shades be driven,
While earth and sky our song attend,
And thus our loyal vows ascend:
O, O preserve ’em, Heaven!"

A bunch of us were trying to figure out what the shadows on _tion meant yesterday.

Does Rob have a time machine?

[snow walrus]

like a chameleon, I live on air, and very good air it is, filled with promises. You can not force-feed a capon like that

As all the editions tell us, chameleons were thought to live on air, and Hamlet, likewise, is living on “heir”–surviving on nothing but Claudius’ promise that “you are the most immediate to our throne.”

when i saw air and promise together, remember the snippet #easter-eggs message

https://princehamlet.com/QA.html

now Caesar make sense to me little much

there is a play Julius Caesar by Shakespeare

Galileo was born in the same year that Shakespeare was

[snow walrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckTBWq_xCpg
the video's chapters 👀

Copernic Caesar Moonshine Jupiter Eclipse Cassiopeia Infinite Space Ulysses Ophelia

[feral fulcrum]

[hard current]

Slowwwwwwwwww day

I finally got the pc build and my setup done hehe

so I’m BACK

[valid lichen]

yay

[hearty meteor]

hi back im bean

[shadow shore]

I was thinking about the numbers on the edge of the image and mirrors, and thought this might be worth a mention. I'm not saying this is the password - just an example, but could be a step in the right direction. This is what you get if you write V7JZ on the edge of a page and put it against a mirror. 'OVUM'... Maybe we need to link roman numerals in a way that it spells another word against a mirror?

I thought there was a way to link gold to roman numerals so it'd say ovum in a mirror, and that'd be the password. But I was just deep in a rabbit hole turns out 🥲

[hearty meteor]

v7jz… have we seen this anywhere before

[shadow shore]

Don't think so, not from memory

[hearty meteor]

discord search also says no

[shadow shore]

could maybe be a U instead of a V

Might also tie into Rob's paper clue

[compact minnow]

Can I get a link to the paper clue?

[hearty meteor]

https://ouum.co

hmm

sus

does this ring any bells

oh nvm lmfao

my adblocker was making the page blank

[young belfry]

So whats the point of the easter eggs? We get anything?

[shadow shore]

I think it's in the padlet, I'll check

[hearty meteor]

f u n

[velvet narwhal]

and lore

[hard forge]

First of all EE is not for the weak.
And the answer to your question is - fun, dopamine and the sense of achievement.

[compact minnow]

And maybe hints on stuff they're working on for the game

[young belfry]

Ahhh

I can tell you that theyre working on season 2

[hard forge]

Can you tell us about the next map?

[shadow shore]

#easter-eggs message

[velvet narwhal]

they'll stop after season 1

[valid lichen]

[compact minnow]

Figures

[valid lichen]

any updates on the hunting?

[lone wave]

I just noticed a lot of dots on the back of the cheese slicer skin when you play around with the reflections

[hard forge]

DM me pictures

[lone wave]

But that would be crazy if these could mean something, right ? (No dots on the front)

[shadow shore]

I see em, may just be blemishes on the metal...but who knows

[lone wave]

Yeah but the fact that’s it’s just on one side

Idk

And it’s a Swedish invention if I’m not mistaken