⚡┇the-finals-chat

[broken moon]

https://www.reachthefinals.com/patchnotes/s10teasers

[regal panther]

That was emberassing asf

[tender yew]

is there a chat where i can find ppl to team up with?

[stable meadow]

All the #lfg chats.

[versed mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777572955654979608/1239754608205758494/caption.gif

[limpid jetty]

You're the one who claims the devs are incompetent, burden of proof is on you, not me. I like the updates we get and I like the game and devs.

[covert flax]

Embark knows how to make a good game, but doesn't know how to market or balance it

[storm zealot]

season 9 skin leak

[tender yew]

there is only vcs

[bitter bronze]

-lfg Check below

[amber jacinth]

<:thefinals:1108025386081714196> LFG CHANNELS

Europe:
#lfg-eu-casual • #1290634115720286209 • #lfg-eu-ranked

North America:
#lfg-na-casual • #1290634275737305190 • #lfg-na-ranked

Asia:
#lfg-asia-casual • #1290634388014633054 • #lfg-asia-ranked

Oceania:
#lfg-oce-casual • #1290634528255246439 • #lfg-oce-ranked

South America:
#lfg-sa-casual • #1290635941211410443 • #lfg-sa-ranked

Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[rose hemlock]

The Bite of 2100

[covert marsh]

I beat silksong without maps

[fiery crest]

someone from the opposite team js god, 23 deaths, 8 assists, 5 kills, peak ahh stats

[versed ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1359141862857904258/attachment.gif

[storm zealot]

now beat silksong without cashing out

[tender yew]

18+? is this the finals server or edating server??

[covert marsh]

;-;

[stable meadow]

Some people don't want to play with minors.

[storm zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-the-finals-the-finals-hop-on-the-finals-gif-14103325342666164805

[versed ore]

some people like to play video games without having to listen to comms from squeakers

[tender yew]

thats true

[peak shoal]

What the hell lmao I totally forgot that gif existed

[naive locust]

hi

[limpid jetty]

Can someone who owns the PS+ cosmetics tell me if they cross over to your wider embark account once owned, or if you have to play on playstation to use them?

[covert marsh]

Shitzu I beat silksong without maps

[cedar flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364687926847606895/1411039926925000797/absolute_00000.gif

[storm zealot]

I bought a ps plus and got the skins on pc too.

Whether they stay after ps plus expires, im not at liberty to say yet

[peak shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311570199438430218/1356693918544166912/Bald_oscars.gif

[naive locust]

now give me a ruby carry next szn

[covert marsh]

No

[versed mason]

That's sick

[cedar flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/765934519396073502/1380157146750124082/cubescar.gif

[peak shoal]

You can play on the same acc on different platforms ? Good to know

[thin iris]

I can name and already named you lots of fuckign things they've started and abandoned. WT improvements as in reducing 3rd parties, improving spawns, implementing a matchmaking, not making half of the weeks just "classic cashout", makind first 2 pairs of cashout actually matter in most matches intead of every strategy revolving around last pair deciding everything. Ranked improvements. Quick cash improvements. They don't even have a general direction of the balancing. Ask anyone and they will tell you that most of their changes look fuckign random. And I'm not really telling you anything new, I'm expanding on what I've already said. This was my stance and your "burden of proof" attempt is fucking laughable

[naive locust]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[peak shoal]

Man I want a cashbox retexture with THAT for April fool's

[storm zealot]

Yeah

[cedar flare]

Order for Embark to put that shit in the game

[naive locust]

no embed 🫩

[covert marsh]

Skill issue embed fail

[storm zealot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1331509914706907170/1362506546428252310/watermark.gif

[peak shoal]

The finals workshop please embark

[versed mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850448260434624573/1319229600382980146/caption.gif

[limpid jetty]

chill

[turbid sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1392283189510279340/ezgif-4aaf1fddab627c.gif

[cedar flare]

ohhh, lord hav mercy.

[storm zealot]

if only we had dev comments under every weapon rebalance telling us what their direction is...

[cedar flare]

U need beer

[arctic apex]

Gonna defib people in TDM when I get home

[mystic marsh]

I wonder if Embark has ever playtested a cashout format where the cashouts are worth 10/12/14 instead of the current 8/12/18

[thin iris]

People like you constantly licking dev's asses because they've managed not to turn this game into a FTP overmonitized slop (thank god for that) as if it isn't the BARE FUCKING MINIMUM is why this game is going downhill

[peak shoal]

Absolute evil

[whole arrow]

the defib? bro get turrets out of tdm those things are annoying as hell

[peak shoal]

Turret double mines

[thin iris]

and they've already slipping away from not being an FTP slop with things like ultimate BPs and reuse of the wheel event

[chilly holly]

THIS IS WHAT YOU GET GOR DEFIBING PEOPLE IN TDM

[tender yew]

why is matchmaking so weird

[edgy tusk]

You kind of make a good point about them abandoning WT. It has crazy potential, and it could have been the gamemode, but as of now that potential is squandered and wasted on lackluster events like XPOSE (recon senses for everyone) and dancing floors...

[bitter bronze]

You can post constructive feedback without attacking other members

[cedar flare]

this game doesnt hav a baseline on what it wants to be. thats a fatal flaw right there.

[primal thunder]

where is today's leak?!?!

[unreal crag]

so fucking valid

[whole arrow]

bro thought we wouldnt notice the cl 40

[limpid jetty]

all i said is that i don't think the devs are incompetent and that i enjoy the game and the updates we get. take your crashbox to a crashout station.

[mystic marsh]

This got me pontificating

[naive locust]

so very satisfying

[thin iris]

After season 3 when they brought back cashout into ranked they've said they will want to make WT into the main gamemode where they experiment on stuff more than in season 3 AND THEN THEY HAVENT DONE JACK SHIT

[peak shoal]

like the pope from vatican ?

[chilly holly]

I DON;T WANT TO KEEP PLAYING WITH THIS FUCKING STUPID DEFIB TEAMMATE ANYMORE

[arctic apex]

Watch the holtow event next season be a wheel

[unreal crag]

people defibbing in the middle of a gun fight need to be deleted

[limpid jetty]

holtow wheel of insurance

[inland crest]

I can’t speak for others but to some people such as myself this is one of the best games in existence, far, far above bare minimum. And it’s only gone uphill with time.

[jagged oak]

-< powershit

[rancid schooner]

I'm gonna defib @chilly holly

[peak shoal]

holtwheels

[arctic apex]

Wdym, don’t you like having only the last week of each circuit be an event (half of which were returns of previous events)

[mystic marsh]

I’m guessing the wheel is probably gonna be for Trentila

[jagged oak]

the viki viki vroom vroom

[narrow nebula]

any1 wanna play

[regal panther]

Lack of direction is a sign of incompetence, might not be the intire team working on the game but there’s a part that is clearly not working properly

[peak shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/drift-tokyo-tokyo-drift-car-car-drift-gif-659557936625595852

[arctic apex]

Speaking of, who’s everyone signing with, Holtow or Trentila?

[left dove]

idgaf who i just want the one with better looking cosmetics

[covert flax]

I really hope S8 isn't yet another clusterfuck like S3

[naive locust]

depends entirely on what cosmetics look better

[regal panther]

Whoever has the best skins

[unreal crag]

i aint played in like a week, been playing too much helldivers

[storm zealot]

the finals that'll happen for sure. when arc releases too lol

[arctic apex]

Looks at balance team

[edgy tusk]

The Finals is and still will be an incredible casual FPS, one of the best... but it's hardly a fair competitive game (like Counter-Strike and such); yet Embark are trying to shove it into that direction for some reason...

[mystic marsh]

Unless Trentila has insane drip this will be the first time I re-sign with a sponsor (or there’s a third they haven’t shown yet)

[narrow nebula]

any games on?

[arctic apex]

Sadly I think its just the two

[storm zealot]

on, finals is dead

[covert flax]

CNS attacking on the season before and then the devs focusing on the competitive side of things?
idk, sounds a lot like S3...

[regal panther]

This is the most oblivious one for sure, sometimes you wonder if they play their own game

[cedar flare]

like okay the game is good, but what is the identity here ? and the gameplay people say is responsive but not entirely. In certain aspects the gunfights can drag out for too long which is very frustrating sometimes. And the changes they should bring to the weapons or any other gadget or oterh stuff in general, is barely seen unless we nag the devs for it

[mystic marsh]

<@&1012034066876473384>s can we get a Trentila emoji

[mellow locust]

i miss these vibes man:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve10fPT_nVU

[inland crest]

For the game show theme I would be surprised if esports was not a goal from the start, since it conceptually fits so well.

[edgy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-gif-22731535

[storm zealot]

cashball ranked

[covert flax]

watch this be just S3 2

[mystic marsh]

Wow I did not think that would actually ping the CMs I am so sorry

[arctic apex]

Head2head ranked

[rustic aurora]

Somebody looking to play? We need one more play for a full team

[jade hawk]

Many bugs that negatively impact gameplay that haven't been addressed which contradict the eSport direction this game is heading towards.

For example, throwing goo will often get misaligned, will only create a few blobs, which is the difference between surviving and dying.

Cloak audio even when standing still will suddenly get extremely loud for not reason at all, alerting enemies that you are very close by giving away your element of surprise.

Of course there are constructive ways to say this, but some of the things we have been saying for ages have fallen on deaf ears which is why sometimes people lash out over the state of the game, especially the balance too.

[chilly holly]

I'D LOVE IN OTHER MODE, TBH FOR OTHER MODE IT'S USUALLY FI;NE BECAUSE DEFIB CAN GIVE A LOT OF CHANCE EVEN IF MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT, USUALLY RESULT CAN BE VARIATED

BUT FOR FUCKS SAKE

TDM
WHERE RESPAWN IS FUCKING 4 SECOND NOT LIKE POWER SHIFT WITH 5 PEOPLE
DEFIBBING MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT USUALLY ENDS UP DEAD, EVEN WITH HEAL

THIS IS FUCKING STUPID
ALL PEOPLE PLAY FOCUSED ON TDM HATES DEFIB BEING IN THE TDM
AND EMBARK NEVER LISTEN THEIR PLAYER COMMUNITY

THIS IS FUCKING STUPID
S6 TDM 1ST PLAYER CHANGED HIS NAME INTO "REMOVE DEFIB IN TDM" AND EMBARK WON;T EVER LISTEN IT EVER

I BELIEVE THIS IS WHY THIS GAME IS SO SHIT
EVEN VR UNLOCK STUFF ADDRESSED AFTER 1.6 YEAR OF LIVESERVICE
FEELS LIKE EMBARK NEVER LISTEN THEIR COMMUNITY

[naive locust]

i don’t think this guy likes the defib

[cedar flare]

thats why i aint that excited bout the s8, cuz nothing new is coming. its mostly a season where embark is taking a break and dealing with the esports tournament.

[covert flax]

why do you play TDM?

[rancid schooner]

I'm gonna defib SuddenRock in TDM.

[turbid sierra]

S3 was so bad because nexon more than likely did the ranked TA decision and I got proof for that. So a few weeks before S3 came out, nexon’s earnings report stated this about the game. A few weeks later, ranked TA becomes a thing

[bitter bronze]

It doesn't give anyone right to attack others

[thin iris]

They aren't even actually trying to be more competitive. They haven't done anyting to improve ranked experience, the major is just an attempt to hype shit, their balancing doesn't actually revolve around making thinks more enjoyable for those who try, not does it do anything for those who wants to have a chill fun. It's pretty god damn random. If they were focusing on competitive they would have a direction and a goal and policu for updates BUT THEY DONT.
Their only policy right now is to pump the game with more content.

[chilly holly]

I;M GONNA TOUCH YOU TODAY

[edgy tusk]

Well, better wait for that physics re-write then...

[naive locust]

sprint bug and sight bug

[cedar flare]

just cuz someone defibbed ya doesnt mean the whole game is shit

[storm zealot]

Let's queue up Asia and focus TDM to defib SuddenRock

[arctic apex]

They banned defib in TA why not in TDM

[jade hawk]

That is true, and I agree.

[chilly holly]

i'm not saying whole game is shit

embark never consider any of feedback is shit

[rapid girder]

The finals is a game

[covert flax]

ah yes the best way to increase revenue: turn the game into Counter-Strike: Nexon 2

[whole arrow]

sword nerf when

[storm zealot]

they should remove defib from tdm just like from ta

[chilly holly]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE

BECAUSE EMBARK WANT US TO GET TORMENTED?
EVEN TA HAS BAN GADGET AND SPEC

[cedar flare]

well tthats true, some players hav rlly good ideas on how to balance things up in this game but the devs just dont listen

[regal panther]

At least another thing to make servers even worse

[edgy tusk]

TA should be reworked xd

[covert flax]

[turbid sierra]

No fuck TA

[coral tangle]

they should change ta with bank it

[limpid jetty]

the fact that terminal attack has to have gadgets and specs removed tells me it doesn't fit as a gamemode in this game.

[cedar flare]

the matchmaking is the first thing i would say its on the top list of we dont care

[covert flax]

it's because you aren't supposed to heal or get rezzed in TA

[storm zealot]

are chuck and infuser banned from TA?

[rancid schooner]

Yes.

[thin iris]

Like, ok, I might be exaggerating a lot saying that devs are completly incompetent with maintaining their game, but you can all agree that they aren't doing anything to improve already existing experience in many modes. All they've been doing lately is just adding MORE CONTENT. More new things. THIS IS JUST A CONTENT BLOAT.

[chilly holly]

i hope all of your teammate defibs you in tdm match like 17 times per round and you get double of your death

[regal panther]

Matchmaking is an impossible task due little playerbase

[cedar flare]

would agree but it would just be another tdm with only cash collecting.

[storm zealot]

that's w-... understandable

[jagged oak]

wonder stand a bell

[covert flax]

blamed for speaking the truth.

[naive locust]

s8 patch notes final hope

[rancid schooner]

Funny enough is that you can still heal up past your cap in TA if you use the Data Reshaper and turn something into a healing canister.

[storm zealot]

haha, that's cool at least. CNS breaking the game

[mystic marsh]

The thing is, gamemode updates usually only come in two forms: limited time modes or big changes made when a season drops

[rapid girder]

I love terminal attack

[cedar flare]

u gotta hav glitch barrel close to ya

[rancid schooner]

Perhaps Invictus' fault.

[edgy tusk]

Bank It needs to push TA out

[sinful vortex]

Yo anyone play oce i need a group for next season ranked

[limpid jetty]

you know, this argument goes for every single videogame, right? like... no matter what game you go to, there's a ton of people saying they want more content, and theres a ton of people saying they want balance and bug fixes. good thing for everyone, they do both those things in their update schedule. you're probably just jaded from playing too much and for too long.

[arctic apex]

Nah, its always Wilds fault

[storm zealot]

amazing

[cedar flare]

sad

[rapid girder]

Why did u guys skull react me

[rancid schooner]

Nuh uh.

[mystic marsh]

No, his problem is that they are not doing enough on the “balance and bug fixes” front

[storm zealot]

so they're probably going to use s8 to do that

[arctic apex]

Yuh uh

[inland crest]

Well, it seems like that might be a focus of the upcoming season.

[thin iris]

By "improving existing experience" I don't jsut mean "balance and bug fixing".
I literlly mean to look at the core of what we have and saying "what could we add/change so the game is even better"

[regal panther]

Many things improved tbh, but the real thing is a lot problems still exist since s1 like no directional sounds, server tickrate, spawn locations, TONS of desync.

We’re going to s8 with those things still existing

[naive locust]

more skins?

[edgy tusk]

As fair as this point is, it doesn't mean that they aren't right to speak up about problems within the game they care about

[cedar flare]

i would say they are rather experimenting with new stuff than just content bloat bcuz of which they arent focusing on what needs to be fixed in certain game modes.

[rapid girder]

Skull emoji

[limpid jetty]

that's not his problem, his problem is that they haven't addressed the things he wants, and he's treating it as objective fact that the developers are incompetent.

[arctic apex]

We’re all incompetent

[storm zealot]

okay but embark said they're imporving new player experience, improving destruction etc

like, i don't think there's a fps live service that's doing more to improve stuff.

[inland crest]

No directional sounds? What? You can hear where things come from quite easily.

[thin iris]

The only change I remember from s7 in WT is that one or two weeks when they've tried to improve overtime by making the box disappear. Nothing came out of that

[rapid girder]

Terminal attack ranked please

[whole arrow]

"We have modified the core experience of The Finals (tm) by removing the light class. The game is now perfect."

[storm zealot]

idk i hear where people are well. i can tell the footsteps direction quite well.

[regal panther]

Footsteps are hard to actually pin point where they’re coming from

[naive locust]

power shift ranked

[inland crest]

Wdym by “nothing came out of that”? It was a definite change to the gamemode

[chilly holly]

when enemy team use db, cl-40, matter. cerb, don;t defib your teammate in tdm.

also model, ks-23, sa1216, riot, dblade, hammer, spear, sword, dagger, akm, famas, fcar, xp-54. arn-222, cerb, repeater, revolver, pike, throwing knife, sniper, v9s, bow, 93r, mgl, lewis, minigun, m60, shak-50 too.

[thin iris]

and then it was gone, without a trace

[rapid girder]

Ranked TA was good times

[buoyant dagger]

have we gotten any new teasers yet?

[limpid jetty]

oh no, of course, it's good to speak up, but there's no need to slander and harass devs and players for enjoying the game and feeling satisfied with things just because you feel one area is underwhelming.

[inland crest]

But… it’s still here? This confuses me

[mystic marsh]

You say this yet pyro grenade and gas grenade only have 1 charge

[cedar flare]

Quick cash which was supposed to be a casual mode is now sweat ridden mode. with the respawn timer like that, it would be impossible for new player to even play it. the old respawn timer needs to come back. rest, the open weapons and gadget choice is fine for me.

[thin iris]

not in WT

[chilly holly]

add revive and heal in ta and make it rank

perfect

[storm zealot]

quick cash sucks i agree

[inland crest]

I personally do not experience this issue.

[cedar flare]

we dont want s3 again

[mystic marsh]

QC sucks because of the respawn changes they made in S5 that nobody asked for

[rancid schooner]

Audio of this game SUCKS.

[thin iris]

QC is literall a "3rdparty, the mode" I don't know who the fuck in their right mind thought that it should be the default QP mode for new players. Literally replace it with single round regular cashout or even head 2 head.

[storm zealot]

I agree. But I still prefer 4 team variant. Usually you get 3v3 and 3v3

[naive locust]

it was way easier with a coordinated 5 stack i loved it too i liked just being able to shoot people without worrying about a cashout

[buoyant dagger]

i think they should replace quick cash with head to head

[cedar flare]

LITERALLY, the respawn has made the game much more chaotic than it was in the previous seasons

[arctic apex]

QC became “sweaty” because they added progression to it for no reason

[cedar flare]

no wonder, new player like to play cashout than qc

[fallow steppe]

HIIII

[regal panther]

I’ve stopped playing at season 6, but from my whole experience I couldnt tell if the enemy footsteps was below or above me

[edgy tusk]

Personally, after seeing how Ubisoft and Blizzard were handling their games, I think Embark are genuinely like a breath of fresh air in that regard despite all their faults. Still, we should hold them to a standard as a community

[whole arrow]

real and true. FYM there was a dash sword right next to me? i didnt hear shit"

[mystic marsh]

I think having a gamemode where third parties are consistent is not the worst idea, it helps prepare you for when it happens in WT. The issue is when team wipes only result in a 7 second timer you might as well just play TDM

[arctic apex]

Some fatass flame heavy managing to somehow walk right up behind me with 0 sound

[cedar flare]

and the progession is just a shirt which will stay covering dust in my inventory

[storm zealot]

we should, but acting like embark is shit and shit and shit and shit an-.. is just stupid and you can tell they're at least making the game better with each update (or not majorly worse) [looking at you arrowhead]

[arctic apex]

Don’t forget the player card badge nobody uses

[coral quarry]

[edgy tusk]

Oh yeah, I feel like I struggle with Helldivers 2 significantly more than when it was first launched...

[mystic marsh]

[naive locust]

it’s just so ugly lol maybe if they made it a different color like instead of amethyst maybe a cobalt

[primal thunder]

[cedar flare]

well if they are, they better make changes that would actually fix the existing game modes. QC is one such example.

[regal panther]

This shit was never improved, plus the moments where CnS made no sound as well.

[inland crest]

Ah. This seems odd to me because I’m wondering what your expectations are for them if something like this seems to be spoken of negatively?

They tried something new, and removed it from one mode where they thought it was not working too well and kept it in another.

[coral quarry]

Pop Pour Perform

[thin iris]

OW2 is actually on the best track of updates it has ever been. OFC ow2 team is bigger, so it's not a fair comparison, especially in the "new content" department, but holy shit, seeing how the direction of updates for ow2 is clear as fuck now and how aimless the finals is is such a big contrast.

[primal thunder]

I just want a 10v10 TDM.
MORE CHAOS

[cedar flare]

bruh, i havent changed it since s4 or s5 i think

[limpid jetty]

this kind of doomspeak, imo, kills games more than anything else. People can give positive or negative feedback, but when you refuse to entertain any sort of idea that a developer can do anything right, you become a detriment to a game's existence, and only help things bleed out and contribute to a negative public perception, and then things are more likely to get abandoned since it tells the devs "huh, nobody likes us or our game anymore, guess the jig's up"

[whole arrow]

nuh uh, 5v5v5v5 TDM 💯 🔥

[coral quarry]

Some people just like being angry at games and developers

[thin iris]

The thing is every time Embark does anything right they fuck this up with another change that makes it worse.
Remember the whole TA fiasco?

[primal thunder]

That'd be cool too, best we have now is 3v3v3 in quick cash when everyone ignores the boxes lol

[ebon bluff]

Ok hear me out

50 PLAYERS MAP HAZARD ARENA MODE.

(fall guys)

[mystic marsh]

You say this but like… what game doesn’t have this kind of thing going on

[thin iris]

A whole fucking season of a ranked more nobody ever wanted
Accidentally replied to someone else, sry

[inland crest]

I guess you can call it… armchair game development ideology? Of course, the great majority of the community hasn’t developed any software, let alone a massive video game project, but seem to have very hard expectations for exactly what they think the devs should do with the game, even when they lack any of the data collection the developers have at their disposal or knowledge of the practicality of their demands being met.

[regal panther]

We really just want the persisting problems to be fixed, very VERY old problems that has been asked to be fix.

[whole arrow]

what if there were like a HUNDRED players on a map and you needed to find your own weapons and also you only have 1 life? that would be like a royal battle or something

[storm zealot]

Of course, and you see armchair people invading every piece of internet discussion. It's so tiring

[naive locust]

i still get the sprint bug 😭

[chilly holly]

4:4 as rank

[limpid jetty]

again, that's your opinion. Plenty of us are happy with the game, enjoy it, have fun, and wanna see it keep going. we're not pretending there isn't issues, but we also aren't pretending that the devs are doing nothing to fix them either. it's a live service and we've gotten, what, weekly updates since launch? balancing, fixes, additions, and all that, consistently.

[cedar flare]

couldnt hav said it better

[ebon bluff]

TA?

[mystic marsh]

Name 1 issue that was fixed in season 7

[chilly holly]

no 4"4 cashout

[versed ore]

genuinely why is there a 30 minute slowmode in #🏆┇rank-check

[naive locust]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[thin iris]

then why aren't they actually telling what they're working on. We have so many streams with Oscar BUT HE GIVES LITERALLY 0 INFO. I'm not even asking for insides on developing, literally just say what direction you have for the game

[ebon bluff]

bugs

[inland crest]

What about it, exactly? It was an idea that they tried in order to make ranked a more suitable mode for competitive play, it didn’t work out, and they reverted it.

[buoyant dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[chilly holly]

......

[ebon bluff]

#patch-notes

[thin iris]

This is the kind of change that should not have been made in the first place. It was so fucking obvious to literally every player. Why in the hell did they do that?

[mystic marsh]

I actually can name a couple:
KS-23 improvements after its identity crisis with animation cancels being removed
Uhhh I had another but I forgot

[edgy tusk]

Great, but I can't look at Overwatch without remembering how they've cancelled the promised PVE mode (which should have been a selling point for OW2), how they've abandoned the game's lore, along with many other things... but that's just me though, sorry

[chilly holly]

cause now everyone knows cashout being ranked is dogshit
especially ranked tournament being ranked is dogshit

[buoyant dagger]

people complained about the unpredictable nature of the game which likely led to the ranked change

[whole arrow]

its so that light mains can simulate the feeling of chasing after other players as a heavy melee build (wrench is on cooldown)

[inland crest]

Assuming you aren’t asking about spoiling unreleased content:

In direction, where is the confusion? It seems like it’s pretty close to the vision. What kind of answer are you looking for?

[storm zealot]

Okay and they fixed TA ranked in S4 by bringing back cashout. What did they fuck up then

[limpid jetty]

I've been playing since season 5. I've read almost every little patch note log since then, and I can tell you that tons of stuff has been added, tons of bugs have been fixed, tons of balances have been made, tons of adjustments and changes have been set in place according to feedback, and we even have a season coming up that sounds like more of an overhaul and a renewal of the game than an actual content update. we're getting everything you're complaining about.

you are just jaded.
take a break. come back in a few months or a year if you want. but don't linger around here with a grumpy demeanor and act like the sky is falling when it isn't.

[inland crest]

Er… why? In hindsight, sure, but why was that “obvious”? Intuitively you’d think the more competitive side of the community would be fine with a more competitive experience, especially since TA’s initial reception in S2 was positive.

[chilly holly]

tbh changing ranked gamemode was reasonable
i don;t think nexon made this move or some other stuff affected this choice
it's just TA being fucking wrong though

[cedar flare]

The devs on this game are giving their best to make the game much more fun and enjoyable experience, which is seen by the updates, QoL updates and other stuff that makes the player experience friendly, But the problems is that the devs arent listening to the stuff that the player base has been asking for eons to fix. Like matchmaking, qc respawn system, and other stuff. Not saying embark devs arent doing anything, they are the best in matters to listening to the community and taking that feedback and implement it into the game but in certain situations until u nag bout certain stuffs, we dont see the changes.

[thin iris]

LEGIT YOU SEE WHERE THE PROBLEM IS?

Instead of actually trying to fix the gamemode itself. To think what's causing the unpredictability THEY'VE JSUT DECIDED TO CONTENT BLOAT THE THING INTO A WHOLE ASS NEW GAMEMODE FOR RANKED. While not even testing the gamemode outside 2 weeks of where it was just an event.

[mystic marsh]

Meanwhile at that same time, they nerfed goo grenades when they could’ve just buffed its counters like people have been asking for seasons now
Sword… need I say more
They “buffed” model by giving it an extra shell which does nothing for ttk and realistically nothing for its sustain on a weapon with the worst reload of the decade

[jagged oak]

alot of words

[limpid jetty]

expensive-ass cologne? or expensive ass-cologne.

[whole arrow]

real and true. i stg this happens with every live service game

[ebon bluff]

TA WAS THE RANKED SOLUTION, (but they should have ALSO kept CASHOUT ranked)

[regal panther]

Best take so far, that’s the me major reason why the game bled players so much.

[storm zealot]

Also what do you mean Oscar gives 0 info? A couple of weeks ago Embark were asked if kill cams are ever coming to the game and he said that he's proud to announce (or something similar) that they got a prototype working, and in 7.9/7.10 someone even had the killcam UI bug onto their screen. They're constantly communicating, how about you watch the preview events for S6 and 7 and see how much they said

[jagged robin]

the whole studio was just on vacation for 3 months, I wouldn’t expect much from this season

[hexed garden]

is there anyway to make the whole structure in the skyway map bounce?

[brisk tapir]

Idk

[cedar flare]

some games modes are too unpredicatable, which is bit repulsive cuz a player can only be adaptive to some much.

[regal panther]

Oh! Death cam is on the workings??? That’s great! Finally some way to spot hackers.

[thin iris]

"sounds like an ovehaul"
Where the fuck did you even heard that? Thy haven't revealed shit about the new season yet?

[inland crest]

This is really quite amusing to me… you’re acting as though the competitive flaws of the mode aren’t fundamental products of its core design, and are surprised that the devs added “bloat” by trialling a new core design? What?

[hexed garden]

do you think they sell q tips in monaco?

[mystic marsh]

I read this and for some reason when I read Oscar I thought “Scotty”

[whole arrow]

hello ISEUL-T CEO

[limpid jetty]

it's even worse when you have factions in the community who swear their take is the objective and correct one, and those factions contradict each other.

One person in chat is screaming about terminal attack being the worst thing ever for ranked, and another is screaming that terminal attack is the solution for ranked.

people gotta learn what "opinions" are and realize not everyone wants the same thing as everyone else.

[jagged oak]

I got someone's picture, im going with them, dear whoever, count me in

[chilly holly]

i still believe ranked power shift would made different result
game should be enjoyable
TA was just not good for reasonable gaming experience
no hp regen or revive in this game is kinda absurd because everything gives instant advantage

while at least ps had decent fandom at that point and actually successed

[jagged oak]

I do the same thing

[ebon bluff]

i think they are gonna swap S7 with S8 change sponsors, BP, and reset leaderboards and call it a day.

[regal panther]

TA doesnt even feel like it fits the game tbh

[cedar flare]

Like, this game, all it needs is a baseline of what it's trying to be, fix the issues that players hav long been asking for and improve the gunplay, cuz yall say the gunplay is responsive but it ain't. Sometimes it is and sometimes I dump half a mag and the hit doesn't register

[storm zealot]

• Embark communicates they're improving destruction
• Embark communicates they're working on kill cams
• Embark takes the stun gun for a couple months out of the game after listening to players about it, reintroduces a completely new gadget
• Embark communicates they're working on a sword rework and what we have currently is temporary
• Embark communicates they're working on improving new player experience (cheaper guns, better quickplay menu, playstyles)
• Embark communicates they're aware of how cashout can be annoying, especially when the last one is stacked - they do a test where they remove stacking the last cashout
• Embark communicates they're aware of riot shield being broken and that they'll do a overhaul at a later date

Literally what are you on about. I don't think I've seen a more communicative dev team, especially one that actually delivers

[thin iris]

They have not even began to try to fix cashout. Their one attempt in s3 lead to 20% of money being added instantly for a deposit. Which is a good change BUT IT WAS A YEAR AGO There are so many things they can try, but theyr'e refusing to

[limpid jetty]

read around. do your research. their devblog about playstyles, them saying no new weapons or specs will come (but we'll see why), them saying it's shaping up to be their biggest season yet, them saying that they want to focus on improving, building, and retaining the experience, and doing research on playtesters to see where to improve going into season 8.

you wouldn't notice these things though if you are deadset on believing embark is incompetent though.

[jade hawk]

They really need to be utilising world tour to experiment ranked cashout improvements

[ebon bluff]

why should ltms have all the fun

[thin iris]

THATS WHAT THE MODE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO but theyv'e abandoned the idea after s4 right away. Instead we're getting 2/3rds of the weeks being "default cashout" and repeats of old changes

[primal thunder]

This is what world tour is supposed to be for

[chilly holly]

tbh i believe no regen and no revive is the problem
every game mode in this game had twist
Bank it was tdm but goal is not the kill
Power shift is payload push but payload itself moves constantly and giving every fight in different advantage
Quick cash is 1 objective gamemode with 3 team
cashout has 2 objective and 4 team

what if, TA had revive and regen? to forgive some mistake?
i believe this is very simple answer for fixing TA

[jade hawk]

I thought that event in world tour where contestants drop bombs with a VISIBLE indicators would have been the perfect middle ground for a frag grenade indicator

[storm zealot]

people love to claim embark is incompetent and stupid and greedy and evil but show me a live service dev team right now that had every decision turn right. show me a game that's kicking at least as well as the finals

because if you can't it reeks of HOI players saying how WW2 generals could've easily won their battles if they just did this, this and that (real life isn't a fucking game)

[rancid schooner]

DANCE FOR MONEY. 🗣️

[mystic marsh]

If that’s the cue they used for frags, frags need to be buffed to do 200 damage minimum

[thin iris]

That event would have been a good return of the "dead go boom" event to the game, but they FORGOR

[regal panther]

Sounds good!

[primal thunder]

Don't like that one lol. Or the cash out dome shield

[naive locust]

or give us the second frag back

[jade hawk]

heck no, frags would be so overtuned, just revert the capacity nerf so you can take 2

[inland crest]

Ah, now here’s a great example of another common issue with this type of argument:

“but they’re refusing to”. You have already assumed that there are viable and correct strategies that the developers know about but have arbitrarily “refused” to implement. No, they haven’t. If they had ideas which they had good justification to believe would benefit the experience, they would try them (and indeed do). If there aren’t a lot of these changes, then the takeaway should not be “the devs are refusing to do this”, it should be “the mode’s design is already close to a local minima”. Also note that they do have internal playtesting and will test out a lot more than what we see. We only see the ideas they are most confident in.

[brisk tapir]

[cedar flare]

I don't mind bank it returning but I don't think it would be revalent cuz we already got tdm and we don't need another one with just objective

[rancid schooner]

Yeah and they haven't done anything to actually do tests for ranked improvements just that goofy stuff.

They should just make ranked a 3v3 you can reach the finals in WT anyway, ranked is supposed to be a competitive mode and Cashout is just not it, not a bad mode but just not for ranked.

[little pasture]

Wild spotted in the Wild

[analog drift]

That's wild

[whole arrow]

[rancid schooner]

Trust the process.

[thin iris]

THEN FUCKING SAY IT. On the stream. "Hey, we've tried that, didn't work, was awful to play".

NO, ALL WE GET IS OSCAR MEMES.

[brisk tapir]

[chilly holly]

like, game that allows opening wall without any notice and shooting should forgive mistake, not like those games(val or cs2) having fixed map with limited advantage

revive is huge thing, makes you watch your screen even if you died
TA doesn't give a fuck, if you died then you can just grab food or go piss in the toilet until next rounds starts
this is where fun goes out i believe

[whole arrow]

[analog drift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304889162767536188/1411028425031811196/speechmemified_pasteimage.gif

[mystic marsh]

I don’t recall a time Embark has ever straight up said “we tried this and it didn’t work” but there is probably a time they did

[regal panther]

It feels like a Chopped version of the game by doing this

[jade hawk]

recon senses, nukes

[storm zealot]

Something tells me Head2Head as well as the major being mostly Final rounds means they're actually trying out 3v3 ranked and we'll probably see something freshen up if this goes well.

[thin iris]

They were more talkative in s1 and s2.

[inland crest]

If they got into a conversation about it then sure, but there may be legal issues with disclosing such things, as there’s a high chance they have an internal NDA that restricts what can be said about anything not public-facing. Which is a pretty standard thing.

[rancid schooner]

Also is that Doorman in your pfp?

[mystic marsh]

I mean in terms of unreleased playtested content

[cedar flare]

Head 2 head is potential replacement for quick cash

[whole arrow]

he's here to serve

[regal panther]

Oh yes it is 😘

[naive locust]

i hope it goes to 3v3

[thin iris]

So standart the most corporate game like OW doesn't have it I guess

[jade hawk]

they mentioned they prototyped a light gadget that would let them disguise as arena carriables or something along those lines in a reddit Q&A

[mystic marsh]

Legal issues with who? Rob is the CFO of the company

[inland crest]

Maybe, I simply do not know about that.

[storm zealot]

and who's to say we won't get head2head as an every round of a ranked tournament, essentially cutting the lobby size by half

            3v3
      /              \
    3v3             3v3
   /   \           /    \
  3v3  3v3        3v3  3v3

[digital igloo]

can you buy the ultimate bp of this season after it has ended?

[mystic marsh]

God that would be so funny. Imagine using a data reshaper on a disguised light

[bright lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/alive-chat-alive-chat-discord-dead-chat-gif-21031107

[inland crest]

Well, Nexon does own them. But the exact nature of their agreement is unknown as far as I’m aware. I just assume they may have an authorisation process for releasing info.

[rapid girder]

Wake up

[limpid jetty]

One of the biggest problems with videogame community arguments, is that people will take it into their hands to stand up and declare "I know the big issue with the game, it is this thing, and if you fix it, it will be better" and it's like... okay, we could do that, but there's three thousand of you, who are saying that exact same thing but giving a different solution and opinion.

And none of them, will ever admit, or acknowledge each other's existence, so they all believe the developers are refusing to listen to them, when in reality, choosing which feedback to act on, and which to disregard as simple ranting and raving, is not easy to do. There are no objective facts when the sample size is in the tens of thousands of people. Only better choices, and worse choices, in the moment. Live service fluctuates. We're not trying to make a perfect game and call it quits, we're trying to change things to people's liking as we go, and balance and rethink things, as we go.

Go with the flow, give feedback, and say what you think and feel, but get it out of your head that you know everything and you have the magic solution.

[thin iris]

I ma so fucking sure that season 8 after being hyped up as an overhaul of the game will just add yet another progression and that's all. It will be a cool progression, but regarding gameplay itself there will be no "overhauls"

[storm zealot]

Maybe they don't want to say what they tried out and didn't work cause they might try again in the future and implementing a mode they already said didn't work is sure to raise concerns.

[mystic marsh]

This seems like such a stretch but with how bad marketing is for both companies this might actually be a factor

[regal panther]

My only hope for next season is a meaningful overhaul plus better servers and spawns, make the game feel great and responsive is enough to comeback.

But if it’s again, just a mild QoL changes then I guess it will be another skipped season….

[chilly holly]

yeah, power shift feels like embark very studied a lot because every map has choke point, advantage, very simillar to both spawns.
like most of map(even Kyoto) gives almost same advantage at middle of the map, and passing middle will result loss for defending team usually(i believe this is reason why announcer speaking about passing middle because at this point it's very hard to recover)

They really ponder about paths and each spawn for every platform location so i love the ps mode.
but i felt nothing for TA, feels like just exact copy of other games....

[storm zealot]

No you don't get me if they remove light the game will be perfect!!

[jade hawk]

I would rather have 5 amazing balance changes than 5 new items for the new season

[naive locust]

i’m on a nasal cannula for copium till i see the patch notes

[inland crest]

Same (though it does depend on the specifics)

[thin iris]

I'll agree to literally any change that shows they're at least trying to improve experience instead of jsut content bloating the fuck of the game

[chilly holly]

tbh if next season became slop i can hop on bf6

[naive locust]

this is TRUE!

[storm zealot]

i can hop on arc raiders im not touching battlemid

[chilly holly]

i can play both game too

[inland crest]

So if they are content bloating, what do you think they have too much of and should cut back on?

Still, the community as a majority I think demands more content, not less. I don’t think less content than they’ve currently been doing is necessarily a pragmatic option.

[gray forum]

another match where im out talented by auto aim winch

[storm zealot]

"spawn, rush point, kill 10 clueless players" what an amazing gameplay loop

[scarlet glade]

same here, will deffo start playing arc raiders also

[regal panther]

Just fixing old problems is enough to justify no new items

[covert flax]

I swear if S8 isn't the health update of THE FINALS
they literally refuse to add new stuff to the game because of the majors and the "esports players can't adapt to new metas"
this is their LAST EVER chance to actually fix some of their shit because if those aren't fixed when the majors come up... welp, guess the game is gonna be frowned on

[chilly holly]

that's the point

[median saddle]

They added better detruction this season better indicators

[limpid jetty]

and someone with your exact username but one letter different, will say they will agree to any change that shows they're trying to add more content instead of just reworking and rebalancing constantly. your argument is moot because there's another person who wants the opposite thing as you. you aren't objectively right or wrong, it's just your opinion.

[storm zealot]

when this kind of gameplay is what the millions want i get why finals is a niche title

god forbid use your brain

[whole arrow]

mfw people are giving feedback on the game on a channel that isnt #👂┇game-feedback

[median saddle]

Idk what u mean, those are examples that they are trying to improve experience

[gray forum]

yeah because embark will just start the season with a new op weapon and spend the entire season nerfing it and ignoring all the weapons like mgl spear and dual blades which have been left to rot since the balance team cant do basic balancing

[limpid jetty]

me personally, I do want more content and weapons and gear and stuff. I am happy with the experience right now, and im glad they are upkeeping it and considering it more going forward.

[thin iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1282716394441412769/mIOsONj.gif

[mystic marsh]

Sure? But there are dozens of perfectly reasonable things people consistently ask for that have seemingly just been put on a “do not acknowledge” list

[covert flax]

"spawn, get killed because you spawned on your teammate, repeat"

[storm zealot]

because that channel is tens of people writing full blogpost pages about why double barrel needs to be removed, why light needs to have their legs cut off and why FCAR needs to be buffed

[whole arrow]

as if the devs are going to read through all this bullshit

[storm zealot]

100 million players on release!!! ✋😔🤚

[mystic marsh]

mfw 6 hour message cooldown
Please buff game-feedback

[limpid jetty]

they didn't even do that. the entire season 6 had minimal changes to the three added weapons so idek what the hell ur on about. you're just spreading misinfo.

[inland crest]

And “you need to do something about X” while offering no suggestion on what

[median saddle]

Ur pretty much complaining about every game. If u think about it, this is pretty much riot with valorant too

[covert flax]

THREE GORILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS SPENT IN-GAME

[weak sun]

whats popping

[whole arrow]

whoa wait WHAT
embark plz fix

[mystic marsh]

I think the only weapon this has happened for is the Pike, like, ever

[inland crest]

Was true for season 4 kinda

[nocturne ruin]

I would rather have a server to be fixed then anything else

[jade hawk]

game-feedback should be a forum, so people can leave feedback and have discussions without the feedback getting lost in the mix of discussions

[lapis wagon]

I was vibing just now watching Hellsing abridged and got a funny idea. Why not give heavies an anti tank rifle? 'Cause bitches love cannons X)

[naive locust]

that makes too much sense

[thin iris]

cerberus

[inland crest]

It got one buff, grew in popularity and then one nerf, no? Don’t think that fits the bill. Though they were too aggressive with it imo.

[versed sail]

https://tenor.com/view/hellsing-hellsing-abridged-bitches-love-cannons-gif-13016519496375179871

[mystic marsh]

I get spawn killed on game-feedback and then I have a 6 hour respawn timer? How did this get past QA

[rapid girder]

🦷

[limpid jetty]

I'd rather us get all of these things because there's more than 2 people working on the game.

The argument of "i would rather get fixes than content" is always so dumb, like... you can have both, and with the finals, we've been getting both.

[jade hawk]

you could even filter the feedback with tags too, one tag for balance, one for new content, one forquality of life etc...

[mystic marsh]

Half true, Cerberus was not great on release and was only nerfed when S7 came around

[cedar flare]

I think the conversation btw u and light snuke was a bit misleading cuz all @thin iris wanted was for devs to listening and fixing the issue that hav been unnoticed for a long time, lo ke matchmaking, qc respawn and etc. U are right bout the devs listening to players feedback and implementing features and qol updates with new experiments. But he's also right bout devs not listening to the existing issue that the player base has asking for a long time. Maybe the wording or the type of Convo he had was a bit rude but he meant the same thing that devs should focus on fixing the current existing modes while also experimenting with new ones as well.

[naive locust]

shhh shhh you’re making too much sense

[whole arrow]

100 emoji (why do i not have reactions yet)

[gray forum]

id rather have a season where old weapons arent left to rot than a new season with new weapons

[storm zealot]

NOOo

pull every artist, every 3d modeler, animator out of their fucking tasks AND GO FIX THE SERVERS. Surely more people = faster work

[weak sun]

you COULD eggmail this idea

[jade hawk]

already did

[mystic marsh]

Surely more people = faster work
…yes?

[whole arrow]

O WAIT I DO NOW
35 MESSAGES PASSED LETS GOOOO

[versed sail]

Just have Oscar fix them

[median saddle]

❌❌❌

[storm zealot]

you ever heard of the saying "too many cooks spoil the broth"?

[gray forum]

its either a new weapon or an old one they gigabuffed

[limpid jetty]

it's all a live service process. things get done in tandem and things are going on behind the scenes. stuff's changing back and forth as time goes on. it's a silly argument to make because the game is still getting content and fixes and care on older things. we're about to head into a new season too. so we'll get there eventually.

[median saddle]

This is like what project/product managers think development is like

[storm zealot]

people want waterfall solutions in a agile environment.

tale as old as time

[rapid girder]

cheezits are yummy

[limpid jetty]

oh, but i thought we wanted them to update old things, wasn't that the entire argument? that they left stuff behind? what on earth do people want from the devs besides a footrub and a lollipop for their boo-boos?

[weak sun]

i want a lollipop for my booboos what da hell

[versed sail]

I want the anime face to be compatible with all eyes

[near pagoda]

yo, what are yall thoughts on them adding a auto pistol to the medium class?

[median saddle]

But fr. I played a bunch of games today, and i had healing ball and other arena items disappear after i shoot them. They need to fix that lol

[limpid jetty]

it's like... group a will say we want this and that, group b will say we want these, and group c will say nobody asked for this, we should've gotten those instead.

[thin iris]

Some things they add aren't even though through.
Like outfits. I LOVE having 24 slots for outfits. I love changing outfits between games.
But why can't I manage weapon skins relative to outfits?
Why can't outfits have their own dedicated emote wheels?
It jsut makes sense to have matching emotes and weapon skins for outfits, not for loadouts themselves.

But devs can't think of that, noooo...
And since the thign is already done there will be no improvements for it, because devs gotta pump more content.

[naive locust]

G19 G5 wit a switch

[nocturne ruin]

The issue with our community specfically is that everyone is a meta slave that the moment a niche/off meta weapon or playstyle is viable and a skilled player uses it then the community cries about it and gets it nerfed
If meta play style has counter playstyle they want it it nerf
There playstyle should be the only playstyle that should exist

Then i ask, do you even love the finals then?

[versed sail]

Like the box one from bo2? (Idk guns sorry)

[harsh timber]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-peep-hello-gif-13248632

[rapid girder]

Hospital don’t give lollipop to me.

[weak sun]

SNAKEEE

[near pagoda]

yeah something like that, it would be sick no?

[gray forum]

is it mgl , dual blades or spear getting gigabuffed? no its the same few hitscan weapons like 93r or pike

[inland crest]

This is software development, with workers with different skillsets working on completely different aspects of it. They cannot practically re-specialise that far and reshuffling the skill set distribution of the team is both a highly expensive and lengthy process. And ultimately once you go past a point there is just no reason to put more workers on one thing, it becomes more costly time wise than any productivity improvement that it saves.

[cedar flare]

That's cool. Maybe they aren't adding something new this season bcuz they wanna take a step back and fix the long persisting issues while also focusing on the eSports scenario

[near pagoda]

50 rounds, moderate damage, lil recoil

[mystic marsh]

You guys can ratio me about “muh labor” all you want but the rate we’re at with server improvements is really not something worth taking a side over

[naive locust]

sure i think in season 12 we’ll get new guns maybe then

[weak sun]

@harsh timber HELLO

[limpid jetty]

well good thing it's a live service and there's always time for everything to get time to shine.

[rapid girder]

Cable management

[nocturne ruin]

pike and winch are op
NERF MELEE
light has strong weapons
NERF SWORD
Model is a good shotgun
NERF MODEL TO MAKE UNUSABLE (also servers are already fooking it up)

[whole arrow]

spear buff as a treat 🙏

[inland crest]

Were the last changes to 93r and like not nerfs?

[limpid jetty]

nice environment you got there... looks pretty destructible though. i am on my way with charge and slam.

[near pagoda]

they dont need to nerf sword again

[rapid girder]

Oh poop

[inland crest]

Still, far more than a buff spear needs hit registration improvements, which I am hoping for next season

[gray forum]

its a cosmetic nerf, 20 rpm DOES NOTHING!!!

[jade hawk]

sword could deal half damage but the dash sword interaction is what causes so much upset

[nocturne ruin]

like how model got a cosmetic buff lol

[cedar flare]

Sword doesn't need a nerf as well as model. Pike needs a nerf and winch....just remove it from the game

[toxic bison]

using the 93R as an example is so funny it was useless for 4 seasons

[inland crest]

I would assume this is sarcasm but I cannot be sure.

[limpid jetty]

it's funny because, when you have this many people screaming about different things and just trashtalking each other and the devs, you actually make it more beneficial for the devs to just ignore that feedback because it's unconstructive and ill-representative of the actual truth and state of the game.

[nocturne ruin]

i say it for winch it should have a pullout and a windup animation and depending how long you windup it for it will go 1-10 meters

[brittle jasper]

yo chat tmrw my final exam and i only know 1 chapter

[weak sun]

lock in

[gray forum]

are we playing the same game

[near pagoda]

ur cooked bud XD

[inland crest]

Yes.

[naive locust]

bros got a final exam 2 weeks into the semester yeah that’s ggs

[near pagoda]

yo gia where u from?

[scarlet glade]

what school level? uni? high school? college?

[primal thunder]

1 meter lol

[brittle jasper]

high school

[weak sun]

im american why

[whole arrow]

RIP

[nocturne ruin]

imho rn, pike and winch are the problem and underpowered weapons like mgl, spear, dual blades and weak specs and gadgets needs a buff.
also doesnt help servers are shitting themselves

[brittle jasper]

i mean its mid terms so

[inland crest]

I’ve seen a lot of people unironically suggest that notable nerfs / buffs “did nothing” and demand more, and by the time community perception actually shifts to line up with the viability of the weapon (a slow process due to several biases!) the devs have nerfed/buffed it twice more, and then a few weeks later everyone’s screaming for it to go back the other way. Which is a thing that’s happened a few times. And the devs get grilled for it!

[harsh timber]

She’s lying she’s from Antarctica 🇦🇶

[whole arrow]

mid terms? it's september

[rapid girder]

Antarctica is cold

[toxic bison]

i don’t think there’s a single person that thinks pike and winch aren’t deservedly on the chopping block

[mystic marsh]

The only reason this is still going and still unconstructive is because you’ve drawn it out with your grandstanding about how Embark doesn’t need to listen to the ants smashing their keyboards. If they had just dropped their criticism and went on with their day we would be talking about Vikings right now

[near pagoda]

just asking

[brittle jasper]

not everyones from america gng

[harsh timber]

Very few people realize the spear is insane right now with what it can do lol

[inland crest]

The winch nerf will cement the goo gun meta 🙏

[whole arrow]

im europoorean

[jolly coral]

Canada, Mexico?

[brittle jasper]

semester starts from april here (asia)

[scarlet glade]

a melee weapon with melee weapon damage with high attack speed and aoe on the toughest class in the game

[mystic marsh]

List some recent examples of this phenomenon, emphasis on recent

[cedar flare]

That could work.

[harsh timber]

What’s tough about heavy lol it’s considered hard meta

[toxic bison]

93R getting one extra round this season and everyone screaming about how it’s ridiculous

[thin iris]

Then we have WT rewards, cool idea, but the grind is unbearable
Then we have The wheel, free stuff, wow, wait, why is this FOMOed, let me at least buy these things after the event, I'm not even asking to guarantee them all for free at this point.
Then we have the sponsorship. A cool thing to add for player's identities. Except that skins are so basic it fucking hurts. VAIIYA is literally just all white every time.
Then we have the skins themselves. There are so many at this point. And they're all so cool. Except that Embark can't improve your collection so you don't scroll between 3 identical models but wit different recolors positioned in no relation to each other in your list. Who needs to group items by their models when there are tens of them and more are coming, right?
Then we have TA. A cool idea, but literally an abandoned gamemode at this point. Why is it even there? They aren't doing anything with it at this point.
Then we have the balancing. They're makign a lot of it. They're changing weapons. Especially niche weapons so they feel better. At least in their image... BUUUUUT the meta have been the same since forever. Actual popular stuff is barely touched. Things like demat is basically THE ONLY spec for medium since, well, since it was added.
AND THERE ARE SO MUCH MORE OF THIS STUFF

Every good thing in this game comes with a BUT. I am so tied of this

[brittle jasper]

yea anyway lowkey cooked

[mystic marsh]

People were already complaining about it even before then, idk why they did that tbh

[scarlet glade]

I meant as in the class which can tank the most bs thrown at it

[whole arrow]

bro thought he was the rizz master

[jade hawk]

Honestly I don't like how some counters just completely invalidate off-meta playstyles, like if there is someone that is good at being sneaky with cloak, the guy using dash can just pop thermal and have a massive advantage over you. Or if you're playing defensive mesh shield heavy, light can just take a glitch grenade and shut you out from using your shields.

[toxic bison]

cuz it had a 0% pick rate and everyone only ever referred to it as slept on, they’re damn awake now

[jade hawk]

If this happens in ranked, then you're basically just doomed to lose...

[brittle jasper]

here me out its jus mid terms they will pass me trust

[whole arrow]

asian exams with no prep? based on the shit ive heard buddy you are F U C K E D

[limpid jetty]

i don't think i play enough ranked to experience the pike issue everyone has, but winch is def pretty annoying.

[harsh timber]

Ohhhhh. Yeah play mesh spear and literally just pretend you have sa12. The spear has a similar left click damage model to the sa12 which is already considered meta but just has slightly less range. In exchange though you have unlimited swings and never need to reload plus aim assist on pc

[brittle jasper]

you’re right theres only one way

[whole arrow]

yeah locking in

[queen kestrel]

hi friends

[celest totem]

Goodmorning

[naive locust]

it’s just that the pike is a bit overtuned, it’s good against every class in every scenario no matter the opponents weapon

[rapid girder]

Good morning

[nocturne ruin]

Glitch is fine it aint a issue, thermal is meant for that so both are fine its just that thermal smoke is being used a lot recently

[scarlet glade]

time to commit seppuku it seems /s

[queen kestrel]

is the game still playable

[toxic bison]

3 tap hitscan on light at 45m i cannot believe it’s gotten away with this shit for this long

[brittle jasper]

in high school we only need 33% of 70 marks based on that if i do 3 chapters out of the total 6 i should be good

[celest totem]

Barely, I quit last night mid game bc trolls

[nocturne ruin]

rapid fire weapon with high dmg per bullet making it excellent for peak shooting as well and has a very high ttk with an insane range

[jade hawk]

would you care to explain the way I have? or you are just giving your opinion with no substance

[weak sun]

my beautiful goddess good morning

[queen kestrel]

my first expression btw

[celest totem]

My queen, beautiful goddess of the world, I hope you have smiled today and ily

[whole arrow]

bro is calculating success probabilities instead of actually studying 🥀

[inland crest]

(Recent? Why? Feels arbitrarily restrictive.)

Well, the 93r I think is a good example. It got small, incremental buffs over time. Even when it was looking competitive with other weapons statistically, the good players were, for the most part, still calling it trash, and it was perceived as bad still. So it kept getting buffed. And then, the very slowly accelerating perception of its potency finally reached the level where it shifted the opinion 180° on the weapon, and people talked about how it was “slept on”, which was true, but all while people were still wanting buffs. And now all of a sudden everyone’s saying it’s the best light gun and needs nerfing. So of course the devs have done so, but it looks like they may continue to do it again as its perception shifted very little.

Another good one, less recent, would be model. It was a bit too strong for a while, though its efficacy was quite exaggerated. It got nerfed quite majorly, but the highest-friction group of the best players who had ran nothing but it for months decided it was OP, and eventually it got nerfed hard enough to be rubbish at all skill levels. It got buffed a lot since then actually, but community perception hardly shifted.

And I guess I could claim this applied to famas too. Maybe sword. Probably something else if I thought about it for longer.

[weak sun]

ilysm im smiling now

[brittle jasper]

</3 i jus dont fw physics bro it pisses me off

[nocturne ruin]

Mesh was really strong in early season and so was dome other then shooting them until its hp depleted is a problem cuz no counter but a glitch grenade allows for a good counter cuz it can shut off the shield and heavy cant just rush with his team becuase he has a mesh

[naive locust]

i need an index

[celest totem]

My work here is done, we smile together forever

[harsh timber]

If you think the model was exaggerated you must not have played season 3 lol

[weak sun]

we always be smiling

[brittle jasper]

just put the fries in the bag

[nocturne ruin]

im a heavy/medium main btw, winch however is an issue which needs to be fixed

[celest totem]

🥰🥹🤌🏼❤️‍🔥 what a great day

[whole arrow]

PHYSICS!? YOU N E E D TO PULL OFF SOME ALL NIGHTERS STARTING NOW

[jade hawk]

I just don't understand how you complain about meta, then encourage meta by saying glitch is fine and thermal is fine, when they are meta items lights have in reserve to save against specific off-meta loadouts?

[brittle jasper]

I ONLY PULL CASHOUTS IN THE FINALS

[rapid girder]

When was burning heart emoji a thing

[weak sun]

ugh im in love w u

[inland crest]

Oh, no, I did. The problem is that the meta is always exaggerated. It can’t not be! There are multiple biases that make it so, and the model seemed a prime example as it saw very high usage rates even among players who weren’t generally skilled enough to make it actually competitive. And this might have been the peak example.

Model was too good. I am not arguing with that.

[celest totem]

Can we just say maybe I started it???

[toxic bison]

i don’t disagree with your point at all but model was kinda the opposite situation where the stuff around it got worse but mediums picked up on how useful demat made it after their range options got nerfed

[gray forum]

imo mesh would be the healthiest meta for heavy

[brittle jasper]

winch just clears

[tacit lintel]

Guys, does people ever press "Play again" at the end of a match? In my experience no one does, and tbh I couldn't until a few days ago because I couldn't see that option to begin with. After verifying the game files, now I can see it, but I bet it's a mix between who cant see it, who misses it or just doesnt care about the feature

[whole arrow]

healthiest meta more like boringest meta SNOREEEE

[inland crest]

Yes

[tepid lance]

What do we think next season rewards will be?

[naive locust]

i just don’t want to subject myself to playing with randoms again

[toxic bison]

you are both correct

[celest totem]

I like the new play again feature

[brittle jasper]

my asian parents are gonna disown me if i fail so ima actually go study bye

[toxic bison]

praying we get the token system tbh im so tired of waiting for something im interested in

[rapid girder]

What the world

[naive locust]

a rematch option would br cool

[rose wyvern]

If you chat with people during the match they might use the play again thingo. on oce servers people are usually friendly if you're looking to play with people and you're near there

[weak sun]

STEFFIIIIIII

[celest totem]

This and if I could talk to the enemy's would be 🔥

[brisk tapir]

Everyone, sign the paper please.

[rapid girder]

No

[tepid lance]

Thats gonna take the fun out of it tho if you can just buy the rewards

[hard bramble]

Not using the winch claw to its utmost potential, I see

[rose wyvern]

A "start beef" invite option would be even better for people who t-bag you

[naive locust]

i wish it would be like warzone, where if you killed someone you could hear their mic for a few seconds lmaooo

[weak sun]

@rancid schooner

[versed sail]

Let some sponsor get a tier 2 before you get a tier 3 lol

[whole arrow]

NUH UH, EVERYBODY SIGN WITH HOLTOW

[brisk tapir]

Fine

[rose wyvern]

This is the fifth time you've posted this bruh

[rancid schooner]

I’m a recovered man I no longer t-bag annoying snipers.

[celest totem]

Embark, id fully fund this idea

[remote matrix]

[tepid lance]

https://tenor.com/view/cowboy-gif-gif-13325142117509609444

[rapid girder]

I hate you old man. You ate my pet goldfish and said “that shit sweet”

[naive locust]

that’s what spam inviting from the recent players list is for lol

[hard bramble]

why is this guy seething so much about kyoto

[toxic bison]

eh? i don’t think so, i honestly haven’t cared about a single diamond skin we’ve gotten since launch cuz all the weapons are things i don’t use, it’s not fun for me now 😭

[brisk tapir]

I need to get everyone to sign the papers. No matter the time.

[tacit lintel]

i feel like OCE is like a big family due to its size lol

[celest totem]

Is that a sweet treat

[wheat cargo]

they added the "stay in team" thing first

[remote matrix]

how do i get images?

[nocturne ruin]

Thermal for the longest time was useless, thermal dont need nerf, smoke needs adjustment and invis needs buff
its hammer situation, Hammer was nerfed for no reason and it was never the issue the winch was the issue but it wasnt even touched.
Nerfing only counter to mesh and dome beside winch is incredibly a bad idea

[rose wyvern]

I've been invited by a guy once after he was t-bagging me the whole game and i t-bagged him for like 10 seconds and stole the win from his team

[brisk tapir]

Idk just chat

[weak sun]

povich❤️

[versed sail]

We should double Kyoto spawn rate just for him

[wheat cargo]

after that it should show up when you go back to the main menu

[versed gale]

the finals

[tacit lintel]

oops idk why i said "play again", yes i meant that ty

[celest totem]

THE FINAL FINALS

[whole arrow]

i guess he hates good maps 🔥 💯

[rose wyvern]

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[amber jacinth]

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[wheat cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/miffy-miffy-and-friends-miffy%26friends-miffy-flower-miffy-flowers-gif-14364709442232106648

[pliant moon]

i hate las vegas map so much

[wheat cargo]

GIAAAA

[tepid lance]

Well then your time will come young grasshopper

[naive locust]

hopefully you joined because you can’t just bag then not join the invite 😭

[weak sun]

HIIII

[limpid jetty]

am i the only person who thinks that kyoto stopped sucking when they fixed the water? i dont rlly mind it anymore.

[wheat cargo]

How are youuuuuuu???

[versed sail]

I miss the Kyoto water actually

[brisk tapir]

I know right

[remote matrix]

at my grannys rnn

[wheat cargo]

why

[rancid schooner]

They should bring back the other Kyoto weather variants.

[simple mica]

Yes unless you’re playing in the bamboo section or the creek house

[weak sun]

im goooooooood povich !!!

[brisk tapir]

I could kill lights easily

[rose wyvern]

I blocked them after that. really wanted to give him the kinda feeling of having sun screen in his eyes. i'm pretty he was in a party too with another and i ain't getting yelled at by 2 people anyway. he wants beef he can fight his own fight

[naive locust]

trying to aim track in the bamboo is horrible

[pine solar]

1 point to emerald 1

[wheat cargo]

wut :c

[cedar flare]

Bruh just use mgl, simple

[whole arrow]

so true bring back old kyoto water

[simple mica]

Nah that’s easy but using bow in the bamboo with its hitreg is like playing Russian roulette with a rocket launcher

[weak sun]

why does mr beast make kids toys now😭

[jade hawk]

Thermal doesn't need to be in this game period, it is buggy, niche-hard counter, and enables the smoke thermal combo that nobody enjoys or likes, why does it need to be in the game at all? Balance wise it not being in the game is a big buff to invis alone

[tough pivot]

need the bony boo skin back in the shop

[slender quartz]

do you know any good youtuber/streamer playing ranked as medium?

[wheat cargo]

tell her Povich said hi :3

[toxic bison]

i do not think enemies being able to see you while you cannot see them is ever going to be a fun mechanic im ngl

[naive locust]

i wouldn’t subject myself to that flith

[simple mica]

PR stunt

[remote matrix]

[cedar flare]

That's ain't filith, that's just skill issue on ur side

[celest totem]

Like what even kind of kids toy could he make that would even be fun to play with

[wheat cargo]

don't fall for it

[brisk tapir]

Mr beast sucks

[weak sun]

bro is making a chemistry station

[nocturne ruin]

again nerf smoke cuz thats the big problem cuz thermal already has a range lol you can decrease the effective range for a nerf but it will jsut go away being useless again

[bright lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-online-post-garchomp-garchomp-pokemon-gif-26743011

[whole arrow]

watching medium players for fun

[naive locust]

turns the game into a point click adventure, not a fun play style to me

[wheat cargo]

mr beast is the modern pimp my ride/extreme home makeover

[celest totem]

🤣🤣🤣 lawsuits just waiting

[toxic bison]

yea people literally only are picking this cuz it wins games, i don’t think a single person on earth finds it fun

[cedar flare]

Well, understandable

[scarlet glade]

What can 1 tap a light or kill them within 0.4s:

• Dagger backstab (is fine) (1-tap)
• TK secondary headshot (y doe) (1-tap)
• Bow Max Draw Headshot (Primary is constant TK secondary) (1-tap)
• Sledgehammer heavy (1-tap)
• SH1900 close range (1-tap)
• SR-84 headshot (1-tap)
• M11 headshots (7 shots, 0.36 ttk)
• V9S headshots (3 shots, 0.33 ttk)
• AKM headshots (5 shots, 0.4 ttk)
• Pike headshots (2 shots 0.3 ttk)
• .50 Akimbo headshots (2 shots, 0.26 ttk)
• M134 headshots (11 shots, 0.4 ttk)
  ( I just wanted to complain tbh)

[rapid girder]

🐶

[brisk tapir]

“Today I grabbed 50 people and got them to compete in fortune stadium for 100k dollars!”

[simple mica]

I have trained my eyes to spot invisible lights almost immediately unlike this guy here

[nocturne ruin]

straight up to god just rework smoke its so ass to deal with. Imho make it like CS where shooting the smoke makes it disperse

[jade hawk]

If the game is ever going to have an open meta, then hard-counters need to go, the moment a hard-counter is introduced with no fair way to play around it, there will always be meta-slaves and an absolute meta that you were complaining about

[cedar flare]

I can hear them by their sounds.

[mystic marsh]

I said recent because when people talk about “slept on until it’s not” they mention the model which was… 7 months ago? But since you mentioned it anyway, let’s go with it… if in the 7 months since, the only weapon to go from slept on > prominent is the 93R then your point of “asking for buffs to weapons people don’t realize are already good” is honestly paper-thin. Valid, sure, but only to the extent of “it’s 1 weapon on the class with the most meta-viable weapons to begin with”

Meanwhile in those 7 months people have been asking for buffs to so many underperforming weapons and Embark has shown little interest in most and the ones they said would come, they haven’t delivered. The melee balances in 7.6 were at best a joke and in the case of sword, a mangling. MGL still hasn’t gotten its rework.

I understand your point about “but buffs can overtune a weapon” but at this point the players would prefer the devs actually damn try something substantial. Maybe that will come with S8 but it also couldn’t for the sake of the major and not wanting to incite a meta shake-up. They had all of season 7 to try and practically just didn’t. Model gets +1 to its ammo? Sword has a clamp? Nerfs to goo instead of buffing fire and explosives? It’s all shortcuts. Nothing changed for the better, which I can say is at least true for the 93R; better S-tier among other S-tiers than unused.

[wheat cargo]

I see what you did there

[toxic bison]

YOURE NOT EVEN INVIS THIS DOESNT WORK I CAUGHT YOU

[simple mica]

I WAS INVIS AND YOU CAUGHT ME TOO LATE

[nocturne ruin]

Hard counter ye i agree it need to go, but counter picks should still exist

[gray forum]

snore thermal

[versed sail]

Made it special

[toxic bison]

2.5 hours

[mystic marsh]

Probably later

[wheat cargo]

probably another few hours

[brisk tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-gif-12007401521632546156

[void moss]

pls release s8 info asap, i'm about to buy chinese food

[pine solar]

how much cash do you get for starting a cashout in wt?

[nocturne ruin]

i will say flame and smoke is a good example, smoke makes flamethrower weak but doesnt become useless but whereas a lot of waepon against their counters become useless

[toxic bison]

6am is for patches, the reveals are noon est

[scarlet glade]

10% or 20% iirc

[simple mica]

The next season is called S8 Showtime

[gray forum]

i have to play world tour with thermal in reserves cause of how common smoke thermals are, it literally turns the game into a smoke fest where only a select amount of lights can play the game while you have to play silent hill if you dont have thermals

[jade hawk]

You really think mesh shield is so powerful to the point it needs a glitch grenade counter? Mesh gets deleted so fast already.

But that is what counter-picks are... They are hard counters to specific items, thermal vision is a hard counter to cloak, sonar grenades are a soft counter, learn to know the difference! I am all for soft-counters that give a situational advantage vs certain items, but thermal is more than a situational advantage against cloak, you outright keep them out of the game xd

[rapid girder]

I like cats

[gray forum]

it also has a juggle penalty for no reason.

[cedar flare]

Smoke allows no afterdmg from flamethrower.

[scarlet glade]

mesh can be quite powerful with a team which knows how to play around it, but otherwise Imma still glitch it with my light ass

[simple mica]

It has a juggle penalty for a reason

[naive locust]

mesh is only really good against solo queuers

[gray forum]

mesh simply doesnt have enough health to warrant a juggle penalty

[rose wyvern]

Bruh needing the pricey nitro for per server pfp is crazy. i would've considered it if it only took 5 bucks a month for the ceo pfp

[whole arrow]

crazy that this server has 175 boosts but no enhanced role styles

[nocturne ruin]

but you still can dmg unlike cl-40 which stops functioning or you just walk up to the person and they deal more self dmg to themselves lol

[mystic marsh]

I think mesh shield is perfectly balanced as is

[cedar flare]

Mesh juggle penalty is fking bs i swear

[jade hawk]

it should be powerful when coordinating with a team, it's a team oriented spec unlike winch, and the finals is all about working with your team and strategising

[rose wyvern]

I've literally never had this strat work on a cl-40

[limpid jetty]

I kinda want them to add more maps that make use of the lighting engine, with dark corners and areas to actually hide in, and have lights that can be turned on, off, shot out, etc. I don't like how all the "night" maps are just daytime but blue.

[nova veldt]

they should make each role a gradient to the next color

white-orange
orange-yellow
yellow-red
red-green
green-purple
purple-blue

[sage rock]

Kyoto is just rough if you don't have movement because some of the buildings have crazy layouts

[cedar flare]

Agree on that 😂

[rapid girder]

That’s a cat

[gray forum]

mesh juggle literally punishes you for using it at close range alongside your weapon when the shield gets melted instantly anyway

[rancid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-mgs3-snake-eater-raiden-revolver-ocelot-gif-18377804554052363223

[simple mica]

So, a shield that has enough health to withstand the entire magazine of almost all guns except for 3 shouldn’t have a juggle penalty?

[knotty trench]

we lost the plot

[mystic marsh]

What weapons are you using it with

[limpid jetty]

i play medium with revolver, aps, reshaper, and proximity sensor... I still like kyoto :3

[nocturne ruin]

dual blades outright gets dogwalked on by flame, cl, mines, rpg and anyother gun + they bug themselves

[rapid girder]

That’s also a cat

[naive locust]

what game mode?

[gray forum]

you do realise this is a team game and mesh heavy is supposed to stand as a frontline right

[limpid jetty]

world tour

[mystic marsh]

Heavy main here, once you know the layouts and parkour of Kyoto it’s honestly one of the better maps as long as you’re not in the open too long

[sage rock]

I've always liked it especially with sword/db on light or demat on medium

[scarlet glade]

lets be honest, glitch nades make heavy quite fuckin useless, the juggle penalty seems kinda bs even to me

[cedar flare]

U die to a riot shield, that's 💯 skill.issue from u unless ur in a shitstorm with nowhere to run

[simple mica]

Mesh isn’t supposed to be too strong to the point you can solo a team, so it’s balanced

[toxic bison]

i wouldn’t mind if glitch got reduced to one but id like the range increased if so cuz if theres 2 heavies they just stagger the domes

[versed sail]

Glitch barrels make light useless so it equals out

[sage rock]

Yesss

[naive locust]

fr you can run in a straight line and full counter it lol

[jade hawk]

not if you're heavy

[sage rock]

Riot shield has horrible hit reg, I'll be shooting at their back and it blocks half the shots the shield isnt even blocking ts pmo

[rapid girder]

Motorcycle

[scarlet glade]

The dash lights yes who cant handle not having a dash charge for 2 seconds

[gray forum]

you couldnt solo a team even if you had no juggle penalty. its not a 360 shield and nor do you withstand an entire team unless you fight them 1 by 1 in which winch would still be better regardless

[cedar flare]

Slam, flamethrower them. Bam done. Or winch them towards ur mine and melee em, done

[simple mica]

Ngl I think winch is more of a problem than mesh

[naive locust]

walk backwards and to the left and you can out dps them it negates the looking away hitbox

[scarlet glade]

winch is the main reason why I prethrow my glitch nades

[limpid jetty]

I think data reshaper needs its' third charge back, it's needed after adding chuck, him and barricades and mines and turrets are way too oversaturated and only two charges on reshaper makes it hard to counter imo

[jade hawk]

you realise riot shield blocks winch right?

[simple mica]

Flamethrower + Mesh combo back in S1 could solo a team

[cedar flare]

Oh yeah that needs to be fixed. And make shooting on the legs viable if u can't shoot in the front

[versed sail]

They can't block charge

[rose wyvern]

YES

[thin iris]

Steal that charge from demat!

[void moss]

will we see impact based chain reactions for s8?

[gray forum]

yeah in season 1 charge and rpg alone could solo a team whats your point

[cedar flare]

If ur fully blocked. Otherwise u can winch em.

[rapid girder]

I can.

[jade hawk]

devs nerf data reshapper because it hard counters turret, but the nerf they did still allows data reshapper to hard counter turret while making the gadget worse still

[gray forum]

juggle penalty at mesh's current health is completely useless

[simple mica]

H was meta in S1, mesh was broken, it got nerfed rightfully

[cedar flare]

Data resphaper needs a third charge.

[thin iris]

Yep, and demat doesn't. Makes sense to steal one from it.

[rose wyvern]

I think demat should have a higher charge rate too

[gray forum]

this also doesnt account for the fact that winch goes through mesh and so does charge, a mesh meta will always be healthier than a winch someone into your team and instakill them meta

[cedar flare]

I had mentioned people that demat is an all round specialization and to give it a 2 charges

[tepid lance]

Ong

[sage rock]

Riot shield does damage on par with everything else in the game, but your left side is just completely invincible and can block literally any projectile like winch or null idk what they were cooking

[simple mica]

Ngl I’m gonna be mad if demat gets nerfed because it’s the only viable M spec

[rancid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-cat-ai-evil-messed-up-gif-16736703567694071851

[inland crest]

I was referring to an abstract circumstance, not a specific one. So the tense would be present as the time is indeterminate.

You could use the ARN as a second more recent example if you like, I didn’t think of it at the time. And if it counted, which is questionable, sword is more recent too.

The problem here is that this is largely intentional. You need to be aware that the average skill level of those active in the community is notably higher than that of the overall playerbase - weapons like the spear should only appear to need a buff if you’re at least a platinum-level player, which is actually a minority of the playerbase. It’s crucial to remember that the meta is largely inverse among worse players compared to what most people here experience, and Embark seems to balance around having the balance roughly even at… maybe mid-high gold skill level? Something like that? Almost all weapons are similarly viable to the average player, their optimums just lie on different points among the skill scale. MGL is possibly the only weapon that seems conceptually under-represented to me, so I wonder if embark is afraid to buff it due to it seeming like it would be too annoying. But I don’t know. Not like I have any data on it.

I think “actually damn try something substantial” is a curious phrase. A lot of the buffs and nerfs they dish out are really quite big, so I don’t really know where you’re coming from there. And here you’re just giving opinions on how you think these things should be balanced and calling the alternate approaches “shortcuts”, but I don’t see why you think your ideas are any less short. Or why nothing changed for the better, when you concede that at least some of these changes are in the correct direction.

[naive locust]

they’d have to buff the other 2

[mystic marsh]

New demat rework: you can use it as much as you want - BUT - you can only remove one wall at a time. You have to hold left click for the wall to dematerialize and once you release, it solidifies.

[simple mica]

Could this be the rise of the oppressive turret meta?

[rose wyvern]

They need to fix turret and heal beam stat

[rancid schooner]

who let this guy cook

[versed sail]

That's only because why use a healing specialization when everyone else gets a gadget to heal

[limpid jetty]

i disagree... heal beam is still good imo, and turret just needs a little ROF increase

[weak sun]

we love dropping novels in chat today huh

[inland crest]

My mother

[naive locust]

way too many counters, demat, reshape, goo, literally anything explosive, glitch

[exotic sparrow]

Data reshaper begs to differ

[simple mica]

Maybe because it severely underperforms against infuser (instant health) or chuck (Virtually infinite health, over time)

[rose wyvern]

Yeah that would just cook it. M is in a bad enough place

[cedar flare]

Turret doesn't need any dmg buff or something, it needs a visual radius of a Circle instead of cone

[nocturne ruin]

riot shield dont need skill until hitbox fixed

[versed sail]

This is why a buffed defib should be the specialization and healbeam be the gadget

[limpid jetty]

infuser should be a dart that procs regen instead of a ridiculous heal spray

[cedar flare]

Same with double barrel

[nocturne ruin]

turret needs to shoot fire rounds

[rose wyvern]

H+ is only instant for smart teams that don't move around when getting healed

[exotic sparrow]

I think I miss my healbeam

[weak sun]

turret meta incoming

[floral mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251752978097115258/1414089838394740796/1757215248812087.png?ex=68be4d49&is=68bcfbc9&hm=332ad12a1649d7d491e21e086353e4591b7644273b47e4a56bccc32b4e2be030&

[cedar flare]

Or fart rounds

[simple mica]

I can aim with it pretty good while moving

[naive locust]

turret just needs to out shoot heavies that are charge and slamming

[versed sail]

I would main the DoT turret

[exotic sparrow]

I love the sound the infuser makes though its so dinky

[cedar flare]

This would be lit as a finals map

[solar coyote]

ayy the finals wise tree

[limpid jetty]

make turrets a little weaker but let u place two? maybe?

[simple mica]

I love when it farts or something

[rose wyvern]

I'm talking about the healee running all over the place and accidentally dodging the H+

[rancid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[exotic sparrow]

I would under regular circumstances not agree with you for saying that but honestly its one step away from that

[nocturne ruin]

turns turret into a tesla turret, works like motion sensor but electrocutes the enemy with 100% accuracy and multiple at once

[lucid island]

my mouse is broken nooo

[rose wyvern]

rip

[rancid schooner]

thats the most dumbest take ive ever seen in dis server

[rapid girder]

🎃

[lavish cobalt]

how

[whole arrow]

❌ ❌ ❌

[simple mica]

Sir this is a Wendy’s

[rose wyvern]

What is?

[naive locust]

i’d want this just to see what the platform would look like lol

[vivid lily]

Turrer is already dookie why would it need to be weaker

[lavish coyote]

yo gang, which sponsor is winning right now? I can't login since I am in another city rn without my PC

[cedar flare]

new skin for pike:

[weak sun]

p sure its CNS

[naive locust]

the right one.

[whole arrow]

unfortunately its CNS

[ornate badger]

https://tenor.com/view/wise-mystical-tree-mystical-tree-wise-tree-gif-26915756

[simple mica]

CNS GRAAAAAH

[cedar flare]

CNS

[lavish coyote]

Lets gooo, CNS my goat keeps winning 🔥

[peak needle]

does the practice range have a timer or something? cause i just got kicked while practicing for no reason

[lavish coyote]

we are against clankers ✋🔻🔴🔻🤚

[rose wyvern]

What sponsor you picking next season? holtow or trentila?

[simple mica]

Vaiiya L’s 3
CNS W’s 5

[cedar flare]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[lavish coyote]

Holtow, I am a Holtow signee from S4. I WANT MORE ORANGE DRIP BABYYY

[simple mica]

Any Mf that doesn’t pick TRENTILLA is a enemy of mine

[limpid jetty]

lol

[cedar flare]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-holtow-sponsor-gif-3362394583498665171

[weak sun]

i go trentila

[simple mica]

Do you want some Tortillas with that?

[naive locust]

gotta see cosmetics first then i’ll make a decision

[exotic sparrow]

I want CNS to adopt me

[rose wyvern]

@ or DM me when you do

[nocturne ruin]

best weapon in the game

[rancid schooner]

imagine triple medium placing two turrents each, that would be 6 turrents and 3 players total of 9 feaking guns dawg wdym how😭

[lavish coyote]

though perhaps I will think about trentilla, they have some fire drip too, I just gotta see the cosmetics. I just lowkey vibe with orange more than green gang.

[limpid jetty]

there's a guy in my game with a strong jamaican accent and im laughing my nuts off

[simple mica]

Dual blades will remember that

[peak needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-lie-lies-lying-why-are-you-lying-gif-16780037

[weak sun]

yes

[cedar flare]

U aint hearing anything except property dmg and murder

[nocturne ruin]

that for heavy, this for medium

[rancid schooner]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[rose wyvern]

We actually have farm grown tortilla's in the waiting lounge

[simple mica]

BOMBOCLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

[fiery totem]

anyone around mind helping a new player figure out the game better?

[lavish coyote]

MI BOMBO!!!

[peak needle]

sure

[nocturne ruin]

best revo skin imho

[lucid island]

I'm so glad my mouse is frickin broken

[cedar flare]

gotta agree on that

[simple mica]

Trentila has non perishable foods that last CENTURIES oh my GOD we need everlasting peaches

[rose wyvern]

@ or DM me when you choose

[rapid girder]

R

[fiery totem]

wanna hop in a vc?

[ornate badger]

Sight looks goofy ash tho😓

[exotic sparrow]

No more THE FINALS! God is good <3

[peak needle]

yeah

[nocturne ruin]

I cant aim with revo but i still use it

[rose wyvern]

You might be promoted to No.1 fan once i become CEO

[rancid schooner]

etard

[weak sun]

chat dont forget to do the wordle today

[cedar flare]

same 🤣

[simple mica]

Disciple of the Trent

[naive locust]

don’t use the dot and you’ll be fine

[exotic sparrow]

I can't wait to see what the downside of their products is like "oh it lasts forever but it tastes bitter and makes your hair fall out"

[nocturne ruin]

the fucking irony

[fiery totem]

I don't have vc creation privleges, dm?

[rose wyvern]

THAT'S MYTHIC?

[simple mica]

Even worse, they can’t be digested

[versed sail]

What wordle?

[cedar flare]

epic not mythic

[exotic sparrow]

Literally possible though, I don't know who I'm going to sign

[lavish coyote]

Alr brotha, honestly I don't think there will be some real beef in S8, we will just vibe, since both Holtow and Trentilla are good sponsors. Not like we have right now Hackers vs. clankers and clanker lovers

[nocturne ruin]

best model skin

[weak sun]

wordle deez

[simple mica]

Dough Wrangler was the OG

[rose wyvern]

ohhh colour blind mode

[versed sail]

Mango 🥭

[rancid schooner]

nah the original one is much better imo, the wild west one

[peak shoal]

So trentila is basically the big food corpo did I get that right ?

[cedar flare]

https://tenor.com/view/really-bruh-blink-blank-face-gif-9334898104617218757

[lavish coyote]

I still love my dough wrangler bro, was the OG and will be my all time favorite

[exotic sparrow]

Yes

[ornate badger]

❤️‍🩹

[simple mica]

Don’t mind me eating my everlasting trentila cheese sticks out here

[peak shoal]

Heavies' favorite corporation

[rose wyvern]

I think me and fennecs will make war with holtow

[exotic sparrow]

Who should I sign next season, the orangies or the greenies?

[cobalt moon]

Teaser teaaaaser where's my today's teaseeeer??? I need it now to live in peace

[weak sun]

orangies doesnt even sound correct

[peak shoal]

I'd sign with trentila because they're growing greens

[rose wyvern]

TRENTILA

[exotic sparrow]

2 hours and 7 minutes

[hearty finch]

Farts

[simple mica]

Those damn Holtowers 👴

[lavish coyote]

Make Peace, not war, share tacos together

[limpid jetty]

I need a tequila remix about trentila

[lucid island]

depends on the drip they provide
who cares about lore more than their looks ?

[versed sail]

#👂┇game-feedback message
This with the 2077 tag is diabolical

[rose wyvern]

"you're my friend now and we're having... soft taco's together!!!"

[lucid island]

I hope we get a third sponsor

[exotic sparrow]

I like growing stuff in real life, and I liked the holtow sledge from S4's circuit, but, I also sign based off of who's the less evil company, I need to see their fineprints on the contracts

I'm leaning more to Trentila atm

[lavish coyote]

Real as hell

[naive locust]

lmao i’ve always skipped the cinematic they put before i can get to the lobby

[simple mica]

Let’s be real it’s gonna be a Holtow win so let’s just vibe

[exotic sparrow]

I think it was confirmed already, only two

[rancid schooner]

tell em to bring out the Volpe

[rose wyvern]

If we do i hope and pray it isn't dissun. missing out on dissun T2 would suck

[cedar flare]

Best mgl skin

[simple mica]

IF VOLPE IS IN THE ROOM PEACE IS OVER

[versed sail]

I believe it's the only one of the 4 og to be forgotten

[lucid island]

last time Holtow was asponsor they gave us an orange motorbike helmet and a flahy jacket
what more could you want?

[exotic sparrow]

You know what, if Trentila's outfits are general enough with a green theme, I see people signing with them to match with Emerald skins, not that many general green outfits in the game

[mystic marsh]

To make a long story short: for every thing they do right, they do at least 5 things wrong. If you’re just gonna write another essay about how that’s just like my opinion, man then please just agree to disagree and don’t respond

[rose wyvern]

YE HAVE LITTLE FAITH

[lavish coyote]

Lowkey Fire 🔥

[rancid schooner]

dont talk ill about da siblings cmon

[simple mica]

Hope they ain’t like Vaiiya and deliver a Tier 2 dogshit skin

[rapid girder]

I like ice cream

[lavish coyote]

TRUE. Vaiiya drip is so ass

[rose wyvern]

Let's hope holtow t2 is awful so people wanna sign with trentila more

[simple mica]

I dunno Dutch… It’s been too many scores and- Fumbles alike!

[cedar flare]

best minigun skin for me

[rancid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[rancid schooner]

All Gabriel's fault.

[naive locust]

i forget are there even rewards for the winning sponsors lmao

[ember heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256205113807077377/1413939461586419812/00da067a-4303-4458-b6da-89ac946a4a05.gif

[lucid island]

we NEED arc raiders skins

[nova veldt]

mine better

[blazing junco]

i just chose vaiya for the mask

[simple mica]

Stormtrooper ahh outfits ngl 😭

[cedar flare]

Bruh even tho alfa acta drip is a reskin, it's much better than vaiiya

[rose wyvern]

SHUT UP ARTHUR I HAVE A GOD DAMN PLAN

[lavish coyote]

Wassup my goat quemby rutile

[mystic marsh]

No good VAIIYA headwear for 5 seasons

[rapid girder]

Gold fish

[nova veldt]

3 days to do a 3 week grind

[tough pivot]

Alfa acta is responsible for destroying the world in arc raiders

[cedar flare]

u woul blend in well in a blender

[lavish coyote]

Oh look who do we have here. Hi

[simple mica]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-rdr2-arthur-morgan-my-honest-reaction-meme-gif-27180770

[rancid schooner]

its dissun

[blazing junco]

i lowkey want dissun back bc its outfit was absolutely peak

[rose wyvern]

Have you seen the one from the arena security?

[rapid girder]

I love cheese

[cedar flare]

https://tenor.com/view/alfa-acta-the-finals-season-6-gif-6510440628402168777

[mystic marsh]

When I plug the cashout for $-8000 at 10:87AM

[lavish coyote]

Agreed, clankers ain’t got nothing creative 😭

[simple mica]

S4 had such ass sponsors ngl

[rancid schooner]

dissun is building all the arc machines

[tough pivot]

Them too but I think Alfa acta created them

[molten forge]

you lack imagination

[mystic marsh]

It’s good but it ain’t white

[nocturne ruin]

YOU LITERALLY CANT WIN THIS 1V1

[turbid sonnet]

2 ass sponsors
1 good sponsor (holtow)

[rose wyvern]

Dissun's only confirmed to have made one of the clankers, no?

[nova veldt]

hey us clankas got the best lookin drip. Way better than that CNS purple puke color scheme.

[cedar flare]

best shak 50 skin for me

[rapid girder]

What was season 4 sponsor

[lavish coyote]

Shut up I’m not installing a chip in my head 😭

[rose wyvern]

Did you hit your headshots? :clueless:

[nocturne ruin]

5 Stacking in death match is so cringe

[molten forge]

**Holtow

iseult

Engimo**

[simple mica]

Engimo (ass)
Insult (ass)
Hollow (the big one)

[tough pivot]

Alfa acta created minigun tech hence firing range too

[naive locust]

one more hit you woulda had it

[cedar flare]

The best gift u could ever, alfa Acta forever

[mystic marsh]

Holtow (might be unmatched to this day)
Iseul-T (diet Holtow)
Engimo (edgy trash)

Specifically in terms of their sponsor track rewards

[lavish coyote]

Ngl i Like the glitches, and white just isn’t for me, i want something flashy and cool looking

[rapid girder]

Oh

[blazing junco]

that engimo daemon headware is soo good bro my heavy literally looks like the white death

[simple mica]

Get behind cover, peek and shoot, hide between shots, should be easy

[nocturne ruin]

TF YOU MEAN HIT YOUR HEADSHOTS ON MODEL

[rose wyvern]

Trentila has flashy and cool looking

[nova veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/holtow-the-finals-thefinals-cns-lore-gif-7342678277830087911

[lavish coyote]

Holtow was peak bro

[lucid pollen]

GUYS WHEN DOES THE NEW TEASER DROP?

[simple mica]

I to this day can’t believe Engimo won back in S6

[rapid girder]

Keyword was

[exotic sparrow]

1 hour 59 minutes

[wispy flower]

new seasons sponsors are holtow/volpe.
Map is yggdrasil
new gun is p90 for mediums confirmed

[cedar flare]

Dual eagles for when there are intruders behind ur fridge

[tough pivot]

CNS actually could be trying to save the world

[rancid schooner]

yea the roller bots but i dont think alfa acta is building those arcs, as far as i can tell alfa acta makes weapons for home defense type shit

[nova veldt]

nah this one better

[rose wyvern]

The weapon, you point the barrel at the head, and then you sqeeze :clueless:

[blazing junco]

it was supposed to bc of the asian baddie

[lucid pollen]

Lets goooooo

[naive locust]

yah i’ve heard this from others sources too

[smoky kestrel]

-lfg

[amber jacinth]

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Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[wispy flower]

probably isn't one today since they dropped the song early

[mystic marsh]

Real, this is why it’s spread is so tight

[rancid schooner]

in the lore they are actually the good guys...

[simple mica]

Two teasers per day

[nova veldt]

🔥

[primal thunder]

Rigged

[rose wyvern]

They know how to make weapons though, they could've been involved in the weaponry and dissun in the design

[rapid girder]

🎃🤑🫀💄🤡

[cedar flare]

nah mine better

[golden oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/typical-gamer-samara-redway-vlogs-loot-llama-fortnite-gif-24067347

[rose wyvern]

Bruh i can't add a trentila emoji to counteract this

[nocturne ruin]

Medium is such a basic bitch tho

[simple mica]

Embark please just make it so hair doesn’t clip in clothes thank you

[tough pivot]

Seems like it. I saw s8 trailer and it feels like Scotty and June are kinda evil lol

[rose wyvern]

real

[primal thunder]

[rose wyvern]

Alfa acta i need backup here!

[rapid girder]

It’s so cold

[cedar flare]

🤝

[compact temple]

yo how do legacy passes work? if i get the current one do i get enough for another?

[lavish coyote]

If they are dropping a farmer outfit I’m signing fr, cuz i love farming irl

[simple mica]

I said it once and I’ll say it twice, June is part of CNS

[mystic marsh]

Uh oh… not Scotty… that’s lore of my comfort character canonically silencing the masses…

[naive locust]

you don’t get multi bucks or the bonus pages from legacy passes

[lavish coyote]

Nah bro we will see how it is