discord-feedback

[ornate pelican]

Since only they have access to their FFXIV account

[ornate pelican]

I found the reason for this

I'll push a fix soon

It's now fixed.

[blissful thistle]

Would it be possible to ad pronoun roles?

[tulip lava]

We've considered this before however the concern has always been adding more role clutter on a server this size gets out of hand pretty quick. Due to that almost every role here has a practical use i.e. gives access to a channel or is used for pings.

You are of course welcome to put pronouns in your display name which I can see you've already done (:

[warm lava]

Can barely see the rainbow on icon, weak sauce

Look at this weak thing 😩

[obsidian verge]

the 2020 pride icon was better yeah

[quartz stratus]

I highly prefer this

[spare gate]

We could do with a how to unlock bozja faq command

[half vigil]

Theres the quest command

[median jolt]

Sorry, I drew a Serpent of Ronka this year, only to be told that the icon should be a moogle so that people still recognize it.

We're working on making the icon brighter

[autumn fjord]

moogle silhouette is kinda hard to read imo.. what if it was moogle derplander as usual but the planet eorzea bg is a plain rainbow flag

[wise gulch]

Honestly the more subtle one from before was superior.

With so many servers going full rainbow it's harder to tell them apart from a glance.

[gray bane]

or maybe make the rainbow stronger in the one with the moogle derplander

[ornate pelican]

I think we’re going to stick with this one. Thanks for the feedback though.

[drifting mauve]

LOOOOOOOOOOVE IIIIIIIIT
🌈

[ornate pelican]

[hallow yacht]

That Ronkaboi do be looking good

[uncut spruce]

add an lfg channel section in the discord, #603040765723148289 (and all other #recruitment-xxxx) is just people posting for FC recruitment, not people wanting to do dailies/raids/trials/dungeons etc

the r/leagueoflegends discord does it very well, along with the Destiny 2 discord

[versed mauve]

the recruitment/data center channels double as recruitment channels, people just dont really use discord to find groups because theres already an equivalent system for it in game

[half vigil]

Just because thats how people use the channel, does not mean the channel is being utilized fully for all of its available purpose. The #protips-and-ui channel is also for housing, but you rarely see people using it for that. The recruitment channels are definitely a permissible option for looking for group/looking for people to play with. alternatively use communityfinder to look for that sort of group. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/community_finder/

[ornate pelican]

In general i don’t think enough people would use it and it’d be one person posting per day and no one responding.

[raw lily]

I'm having issues with adding a reaction role in Kupo Bot, is it better to ask here or send a modmail?

[ornate pelican]

Ask on the support discord

Chances are the answer to your question though is it can’t be a default emoji it has to be an emoji uploaded to discord

[raw lily]

That would be it, thanks!

Is there a specific link to the support discord? bot documentation just links to this one so far as I could see

[ornate pelican]

!help

[ancient gale]

Kupo Bot Command Help!

Live support can be obtained from the Kupo Bot Discord

accountlist [user]

None

achievemenths

Displays the current record holder of achievement points

achievements <character_data>

Displays the last 5 achievements for a FFXIV character

action <action>

Aliases: spell, skill
Searches for a FFXIV skill
Ex: !action Fight or Flight

addnote <user> <reason>

Aliases: addusernote, note
Adds a note to Discord User.

Requires User Permissions: Kick Member

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[raw lily]

Ty!

[cunning fog]

I adore this image tbh

[safe mural]

Trivia ID: 1157
Hildibrand is usually called Agent of Enquiry but he is also called an agent of inquiry at least once, and the orchestion roll for his theme is also called Agent of Inquiry with an 'i'. (Might be dev oversight tbh). So I think "inquiry" should be added as a valid answer in addition to the current "enquiry".

!lsearch agent of inquiry

[ancient gale]

Lore Entries Matching "agent of inquiry"

Event Item

How this letter to the Spinner managed to find its way into a gift box is a mystery too great for even an agent of inquiry.

Event Item

How this letter to the Spinner managed to find its way into a gift box is a mystery too great for even an agent of inquiry.

Agent Of Inquiry Orchestrion Roll - Item

Music roll for Agent of Inquiry. Use to add to your orchestrion list.

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[digital vigil]

Do you have this on twitter or somewhere else? I would love to show this to my linkshell discord and don't want to just steal.

[median jolt]

You can find most of my discord/subreddit art on my pixiv: https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/27500385 and if that doesn't work for you, you can scroll through my bad opinions to see my art on twitter: https://twitter.com/OlivinePeridot

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[digital vigil]

Thanks! I love it ❤️

[warm lava]

Was it cleave?

Cleave bad

Sophie good

[lean crag]

tyvm 🙂

[wise gulch]

[fluid spindle]

Hi

[wise gulch]

I know It's a bit of a stretch. But considering you are working with Discord on this feature, I think it would be useful to have an option to close out this notification section.

[ornate pelican]

Will submit that as feedback to them, thanks.

[calm coral]

Is there, or will there, be a recording of past, current and/or future stage events?

I wanted to attend iluna’s panel but I was really busy

[ornate pelican]

Yep I have a recording of both events. I will likely release our ticketed event to non-ticketed members soon with @plucky solstice 's permission

[calm coral]

Thank you Eanae

[ornate pelican]

I believe you attended the Nemekh talk?

Or at least had a ticket?

[calm coral]

I did not. It was a general question

[ornate pelican]

Oh ok

Remembering wrong then

If @plucky solstice gives us permission I can figure out how to host these somewhere

[plucky solstice]

Sure, sorry just saw the notifs now

[ornate pelican]

We're gonna get them converted to Audio and post them to Sound Cloud.

[plucky solstice]

Sounds good, will be nice to have them within easy reach

[ornate pelican]

Soundcloud limits are really low so might have to find another option.

[ornate pelican]

Until I find a better way to host these: https://soundcloud.com/user-598275465

[obsidian verge]

could make it a podcast on spotify or what have you

[wise gulch]

hosted on multiple places incase it gets yeeted seems safest.

[pearl halo]

Hi

[misty kernel]

I've noticed this often but why don't we change #glamour-discussion to # glamour-help because we have to keep reminding people to send screenshots to #ffxiv-screenshots channel over and over again and at this point I doubt people read the channel rules at all and even if we do tell them, they don't delete it to repost it or they just do it again later. I understand a reminder here and there is fine but its been pretty constant lately.

[obsidian verge]

#discord-feedback message

[misty kernel]

Ah okay I didn't see that

[obsidian verge]

it should still change tho

[cosmic drift]

We’ll talk about this again, but the recurring theme seems to be that people will misuse channels no matter what their names are

Pick and choose battles, eh?

[hallow yacht]

Im afraid so, we're all guilty of channel misuse on different channels, and enforcing it strongly would only result in more damage being done

[mystic creek]

That is true, people just hate sending screenshots in the right channel because they don't get the gratification they'd see in other channels. I agree though it should be changed to help at least distinguish the point of the channel.

[plain arch]

Most people just dump their glamours in #general-discussion anyways, as it in general gets more traffic and discussion, which.. Being real, on paper, isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's still related.
Renaming it would give the channel a bit more focus, which may or may not be particularly effective.
I personally think its a bit of a crapshoot either way but I'm also not a huge glamour person, so.

I just struggle finding decent PANTS to use

[eager stone]

Maybe rename #ffxiv-screenshots to #ffxiv-screenshots-glamour as well as #glamour-discussion to #glamour-discussion-help?

[plain arch]

That won't really help the thing of people dumping glamour and screens in discussion, but it'll synergize 'em a bit I guess..

[eager stone]

Personally for me I'd be interested to check out the channel more if glamour is also posted there since I like seeing people's character design and their glamour, 'screenshot' is too broad (i'm aware eorzeacollection exists but it's easier to browse discord)
(i'm also aware ppl already post their glamour to #screenshots but they seem to be buried between other shots, and the renaming might help remind ppl they can share it there)

I also think glamour and screenshots are fine in discussion if it sparks discussion or relevant to the current discussion, but I'm aware some ppl just dump it there without context

[plain arch]

Well, as gist said- pick and choose battles.

[zinc jay]

Pick and choose battles, sure, but this has become more than just a minor annoyance at this point, the naming of #glamour-discussion is unclear and vague.

[mystic creek]

Yes, I agree that it can be fine for people to post and discuss. However that is rarely the case. They drop it not wanting a discussion but for people to tell them they're cute, or sexy, or anything else. There is EC and a subreddit where you can post a full set undyed and get easy likes, they should be linked (EC is, the sub is not) so people are aware of these avenues for that kind of posting.

Rather than saying "no screenshots" too maybe we could say "no screenshot dumping" and elaborate for those that they should be asking for feedback or starting a discussion.

[waxen root]

Why not an image upload cooldown? A global one, not a per person one

[zinc jay]

Not sure that’d work well because it’d just be an annoyance if someone is asking for advice on a glam.

[mystic creek]

Because we could be discussing a theme and I provide a screenshot but someone has a difference idea and wants to contribute theirs.

[waxen root]

Then just use kupobot to link the relevant piece

[obsidian verge]

that would be counter productive since people just posting their glams and nothing else would prolly just put one screenshot but people using the channel the right way cant post their stuff

[mystic creek]

theme isn't a always a single piece

[zinc jay]

Takes a lot more time to accurately type out the name of a single piece of gear, too

[waxen root]

Could be like, 10-15 messages in between screenshots

Doesn't have to be a lot, just a few to make sure it remains discussion based

[mystic creek]

still same issue it would block more legitimate users than attention seekers

[untold sequoia]

A image cooldown would be cutting off the nose to spite the face

You'd be punishing legitimate users for what is a minor problem

[waxen root]

Fair enough. Was just a suggestion anyways

[eager stone]

are you talking about cooldown in #general-discussion or #glamour-discussion

[zinc jay]

^

if anything it’d just make it more annoying, as the CD would just prolong image spam and make it more intrusive on potential conversations.

[obsidian verge]

this is not a big deal but rogue is missing

[zinc jay]

and brd and archer are in the wrong order,

[gray bane]

arcanist and smn too, unless that's the emote ordering being wack

[scarlet kindle]

Most of them are in job>class order
Only mnk, drg, smm aren't

[gray bane]

ohhhh that makes a lot more sense

[scarlet kindle]

It just uses an xyname order, and those classes are alphabetically in the other order w the same number

:078PLDPaladin :078GLDGladiator vs :039THMThaumaturge :039BLMBlackMage

[wind fiber]

With Pixiv working the way it does (massive dumps of images, often loosely related, as a single post), does linking a source that contains NSFW images, when the actual image you're posting is fully SFW, violate the rules?

[deft sorrel]

If you link to nsfw content, you are in violation, regardless of your intentions.

[south tendon]

maybe a reward/reputation system for people that answer in #questions-and-help through reactions

[half vigil]

sounds abusable, some people were known to react to themselves as though they helped out without actually being of any help

that said, its not like staff aren't keeping track of who's coming by and being helpful. so don't worry too much about that

[wise gulch]

#memes-and-shitposting message

How does this make sense?
"PG-13" server but some curse/swear words are allowed and others of equal or less severity are not
I dont understand.

[ornate pelican]

Is this a poor attempt at complaining you can’t be racist or homophobic?

[wise gulch]

How about Instead of immediately becoming combative and jumping to conclusions
You can go ahead and ask Saeryu which word I was alluding too.
Completely missing my point of the inconsistency of these rules.
I literally just wanted to understand them better.

[ornate pelican]

The hard filter is posted publicly in the rules channel exactly to prevent any kind of inconsistency.

[zinc jay]

I think it makes decent sense that there are a lot of words worse than "fuck" and those are not allowed

it's really not hard to avoid triggering the filters.

[tulip lava]

The general principle is terms which are only used as insults end up filtered

A phrase like fuck can end up in general conversation from time to time without being pointed at any particular person and while we would discourage someone being immature and flooding the chat with it at the same time we're not going to crack down on every single use of the phrase

Other terms, particularly slurs, have zero real value to conversation so those get filtered outright

Coincidentally, an internal review of the filter list was started yesterday so there may be some movement in that space soonish

[turbid kayak]

having a hard-filter and muting them for 1 hour seems excessive for these kind of words, also, iirc the game is rated for pegi 16.

[zinc jay]

It's not really excessive to mute for an hour for saying slurs or especially bad language, tbh. If anything that seems somewhat... lenient.

but that's just me

[tulip lava]

The hard filter muting people is a recent change to combat spammers posting some disturbing content

[turbid kayak]

i mean, for words like 'fuck', which i mean that it is excessive if you should add words like that to the hard-filter

[tulip lava]

Fuck isn't filtered

As for the auto-mute when we originally wrote the hard filter list it was designed to just delete messages. Now that it auto-mutes we're going to review the list to ensure there isn't on there that doesn't warrant people being muted on the spot

[turbid kayak]

and, i am reading the CoC for Partners and it does not look like any swearwords are disallowed on discord, am i wrong? https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360024871991 or https://discord.com/guidelines

[modest ruin]

Slurs can fall under section 1 there

[tulip lava]

Most of our hardfilter list is based on the following Partner guideline

Discriminatory jokes and hate speech (attacks on an individual or group based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, sex, gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, or disabilities)

We also choose to not allow political discussion here since this is a gaming Discord

You are of course welcome to read it here - https://textuploader.com/tsgre/raw

[wise gulch]

Thank you for the thought out answer Whale.

For anyone with misconceptions, I'm not asking why we can't say slurs. It was in reference to a specific word on the list starting with C. Not the Australian one. To my knowledge it is not a slur and personally it's not any worse than "fuck" or "shit". However it is by nature a word that has to be directed at someone so now I understand why its on the list.

[zinc jay]

Any way for y'all to hide the stage in between events? people keep joining and leaving and making all the channels shift down, it's somewhat annoying

[dense geyser]

Does collapsing the Events category not work for you?

[zinc jay]

it pops out again whenever someone joins for me

[versed mauve]

did you mute the event category? the category itself

[ornate pelican]

Done

Disabled the connection

[zinc jay]

thank you

[waxen rock]

I had a question about Kupo Bot, is it possible to have Kupo Bot delete it's own messages after a certain period of time? Trying to set up a entry channel in another discord and I want to keep it clear of clutter

[ornate pelican]

Negative

[waxen rock]

ty!

[tawdry parrot]

Question regarding safety and in regards to self doxxing :

I don't believe that there is anything within the current iteration of rules regarding selfies.

I'm asking because if you post your selfie, you're opening a can of worms to let people know what you look like, and into further security problems that crop up (such as location.)

Considering that we have had a fair share of nut jobs in this server, it may be advisable to make ammends to prevent such forms of self doxxing.

[ornate pelican]

So I think this kind of falls into a “at your own risk” category. Obviously we’ll protect anyone from targeted harassment and so would Discord trust and safety.

[tawdry parrot]

That's fair.

[ornate pelican]

It means their account is under 24 hours old and if you click it it’ll kick them

It’s an anti-spam bot addition

[nova compass]

Thank you!

[tawdry parrot]

Lately in xiv discord things have been getting too far out of hand.

There is a recurring group of individuals who make the discussion flat out uncomfortable to be in with their blatant attention seeking, sexualized comments, or outright hostility.

As much as attempts are made at combating this, you have mods who are actively participating in conversations and turn a blind eye (sarnai is the biggest perpetrator of this and this is not the first time) when things happen.

Last night for instance there were multiple people being mega weird about minors in the chat. Only one person was punished and they received a strike.

Yen has a pin that says the next person being weird gets a ban... That should have been precedent enough.

Other people who've made super weird, lewd comments get off with warnings. And it's prolific.

The discussion is hardly noticeably ever on topic and when attempts by mod users are made to keep it on track, hostility is met. You even have people being flippant to mods because they don't care.

It's honestly rather insufferable and as a whole I feel it entirely goes against rule 1 as it's made people uncomfortable on multiple levels.

[tulip lava]

Our stance on general NSFW behavior is covered under Rule 4, particularly:

• Do Not Share anything NSFW. Any content reasonably judged as being NSFW is not allowed on this Discord server. This rule applies server-wide to all channels and any content shared; Messages, links, emoji, nicknames, profile pictures, etc.

To your other point we, and Discord as a whole, have a strict no tolerance policy on the sexualiazation of minors.

To quote Discord's own policy on this:
You may not sexualize minors in any way. This includes sharing content or links which depict minors in a pornographic, sexually suggestive, or violent manner, and includes illustrated or digitally altered pornography that depicts minors (such as lolicon, shotacon, or cub).

If you believe this content isn't being removed and addressed correctly then please open a #discord-modmail or DM me directly with links to where this is happening and I'll look into it personally. It has no place on this server

[tawdry parrot]

I'm at work, but I do want to make a comment.

The last time I mod mailed about the outright dog piling and near harassment I received over pinging a mod about the off topic discussion, it went ignored and the perpetrator Scott free.

Personally, I'd feel more comfortable making this public as it is a public issue that I also feel, should have been properly taken care of as it happens. Which it's not.

Pings are made and mod mails are sent but the problem is still as it is. Which grants the question, and a fair one, I believe, what are your moderators doing.

[hallow yacht]

I have also noticed a big increase in the amount of outright inappropiate comments, public lewdness and attention-seeking. Ok, the people involved don't care because it's their life, but this is a public discord, and the conversations can be read by anyone, some degree of modesty is necessary in order to keep cordial and respectful relationships

[tulip lava]

There's a lot to unpack there Loure given you've raised allegations about:

a) general lewd comments (these may or may not be against the rules, I dont have enough context to say)
b) content about minors
c) getting brushed off after getting picked on for mod pings

Obviously b) is the most alarming accusation however I would be happy to hear you out on all three.

Accusing specific people in public channels, especially for point b, probably runs afoul of witchhunting rules though. If you want to take some time after work to compile your concerns with links/references then DM me directly with it I'll raise them at the admin level and get back to you with some thoughts.

We're always open to feedback about moderation however I need more information to work with on this (:

[tawdry parrot]

I understand.

I do intend on opening the mod mail and offering the appropriate information it's just that I'm at work and can't really pin point things via mobile.

[tulip lava]

Sounds good, whenever you've got the time.

[zinc jay]

not to mention this is also occurring in a channel supposedly about ffxiv, rather than the off topic ones. At the very least it violates the off-topic rules that y’all have. Pretty much every damn time I’ve gone in there I see people spamming anime gifs or talking about it. And see users trying to talk about ffxiv get drowned out or directed elsewhere.

It’s frankly, very very frustrating to see how #general-discussion is constantly not about ffxiv, and then in #archived-lore-spoilers when we talk about game stuff that’s unrelated to the lore we get threatened with mutes and warnings by mentors and moderators.

#archived-lore-spoilers feels as though it has, frankly, become a scapegoat for the problems with the server, between the lack of moderation in #general-discussion and the fact that it still has slowmode enabled when, despite what mods or mentors said, has not resolved the problems with arguments, but instead just become an unfair punishment for regulars.

I’d send in a modmail but, frankly, I feel as though it’d be ignored.

[pearl halo]

ngl #rants feels like the real FFXIV-discussion channel if you dont wanna get spoiled in lore-spoilers and the actual channel is just social chat

[zinc jay]

and now I go into #general-discussion and see people joking about calling each other slurs with mods also participating in it without handing out warnings.

which is… sad. #general-discussion should be what it says on the tin.

In addition to what I’ve said above, as a regular of #archived-lore-spoilers the majority of aggressive arguments come from new users, or were sparked by a regular that was banned. It doesn’t make sense to continue punishing people in there for no real reason and leaving #general-discussion poorly moderated.

[cosmic drift]

Would you kindly modmail us instances of our mods breaking rules?

Right click/hold the message then copy message link

[zinc jay]

It’s not moderators breaking rules moreso not properly enforcing them, or not enforcing them strongly enough.

[cosmic drift]

Ah sorry, I must have misunderstood this then

[zinc jay]

I worded it a bit poorly, apologies.

But ultimately, y’all need to just… adjust your moderators’ priorities a bit. #archived-lore-spoilers is overmoderated and the slow mode has just become a hindrance, prolonging arguments if they do actually occur, whilst #general-discussion feels lawless, and is an awful first impression for any new players who try to join this discord looking for help. Still, I see people shitposting there about how ffxiv is a shit game, or how they’ve unsubbed or quit. It just doesn’t feel fair or right.

[cosmic drift]

A small statement that I’ll make toward your concern of #general-discussion; some of the chatter will invariably come from its position in the sidebar - it’ll be the first channel most come to, which will have a negative effect on keeping things ffxiv in there.

[zinc jay]

So there should be more moderation to make sure that doesn’t happen, then?

[runic fractal]

Why not try to promote gen-chat so more of the off topic regulars go there

[tulip lava]

We've tried that before, it just backfires by turning the gen chat into 14 chat

[cosmic drift]

Also, people are allowed to not like ffxiv if they feel that way. I don’t think we need to censor anti-ffxiv criticisms that aren’t outright trolling

[runic fractal]

It seems most people are in xiv discussion which is why a lot of people talk in there. I see people try to move to gen chat just for the convo to die

[zinc jay]

The majority of criticisms I see there are outright trolling, because specific ones usually fall into #archived-lore-spoilers or #endgame-lounge. Or even #rants.

[hallow yacht]

If i were new player, joined this discord and said "Hi, new player here", with the amount of degenerancy i'd feel like i had joined the wrong discord and would have left in like a week, im staying now due to my friends, but before it wasnt like this. Degenerancy is out of hands now

[cosmic drift]

Most people are in the ffxiv chat due to its position in the sidebar I think

[tulip lava]

There is a constant balancing act going on in #general-discussion

I personally dont mind the occasional little side topic, especially later at night when things are quiet, however there is a line when the chat becomes dominated by it and we need to step in to bring things back on-topic.

Obviously if you feel that balance is out of whack sometimes you can #discord-modmail or even ping the mods if you choose to

[zinc jay]

I’m inclined to agree, but frankly this neither “little” nor “occasional,” in the ~3 months I’ve been in this server I haven’t ever once seen the main subject in there be ffxiv-related.

[hallow yacht]

Y'all can call me prude, but i really believe that this amount of degenerancy aint normal

[cosmic drift]

If you feel something is getting out of hand, please don’t hesitate to <@&100464652139368448> (not sorry); while we’re generally good at catching what we can see while we’re active, we definitely won’t catch everything

[tulip lava]

I dont know if I agree with this assertion tbh. I quite frequently pop into #general-discussion and it's usually FFXIV related topic

Gist pls ;_;

[cosmic drift]

; ;

[tulip lava]

As far as the lewdness you're talking about Azura there are some internal conversations going on atm as to whether we need to make some adjustments in that space

Moderating things that aren't outright pornographic always has some degree of subjective interpretation to it

I know I consciously have to adjust my own idea of what's inappropriate after being desensitized to the internet's horrors over the last few decades 🙃

[obsidian verge]

no you guys are right chats definitely been off the rails for a while now

[runic fractal]

I think saying "x is cute/hot/best boy/best girl" is okay but the whole "omg lick the sweat of xyz's body" is kinda crossing lines

[cosmic drift]

For what it’s worth, scrubbing through the last 3 hours of #general-discussion, I see a lot of ffxiv in there

[tulip lava]

As for the slur chat I've gone back and nuked that from #general-discussion

[zinc jay]

well sure but since that is the main discussion channel for the main subject of this server I feel like moderators should be watching that more closely.

[runic fractal]

I disagree that its NEVER on topic but i do agree that when it gets hella off topic and degen, it gets kinda gross

[zinc jay]

This server is ffxiv centric, there’s no reason why the few ffxiv channels shouldn’t be moderated to be as such.

[runic fractal]

Sometimes ill try saying something on topic and it gets ignored so i just go off topic too or leave

[pearl halo]

i understand you dont want that kinda stuff to be on view but I feel like Nuking conversations is also... IDK. It just erases the proof that people are being weird and off-topic or what not

but also conversations like that arent good in the first place so uhhhhh idk

[cosmic drift]

It is archived for our records

[pearl halo]

fair enough

[zinc jay]

I’d say this isn’t enough either tbh, that sort of convo deserves warnings.

[stoic steeple]

would you be rather happy people get muted from ffxiv discussion?

[deft sorrel]

Discord requires us to remove noncompliant messages as well.

[pearl halo]

Understandable

[zinc jay]

Yes.

[tulip lava]

We have history of the conversation still

[stoic steeple]

then ask for that then

[pearl halo]

That's witchhunting then if you name specific people

[zinc jay]

that’s what I’m doing.

[tulip lava]

I dont necessarily disagree. I just need to make time to read through it all

It's been quite the busy morning on Discord (:

[cosmic drift]

If I might ask - when are you usually active when you see lewd/degenerate chat in #general-discussion

Is it a particular time of day?

[runic fractal]

I usually see it when certain people are active. Not necessarily at certain times for me

[pearl halo]

I'm in the UK and there was some sus stuff around... 2-3pm?

[zinc jay]

I see the aftermath of it late at night, or early in the morning.

[stoic steeple]

I mean you kinda have and havent, a lot of this discussion too can be put in modmail like the mods here have been directing you to do?

[cosmic drift]

You’re welcome to let us know who they are in modmail or DM and we can investigate

[zinc jay]

Frankly it’s like others have said, certain users seem to incite those conversations, or drive off topic discussion.

[runic fractal]

People were afraid their criticism would get swept if they did modmail which is why they're going public

[stoic steeple]

'certain users' is starting to sound more of a witch hunt if your dont word this right.

[zinc jay]

I’d rather it not be ignored, which is a fear I have (albeit seemingly an irrational one). Also I know other users feel the same way and doing this encourages them to give feedback as well.

[pearl halo]

i take that back, around 3pm-8pm BST

[tulip lava]

If you're not confident in modmail for some reason you're always welcome to fire up my DMs

[runic fractal]

I also think it doesnt help your case of wanting chat to stay on topic when mods shut down on topic conversations that go on too long for their liking

Like the convo about healers needing to dps was on topic for xiv and was shut down

[modern jacinth]

i was shutting down an argument that went on for over an hour

[runic fractal]

It was on topic and many people had different takes on the conversation. It was still on topic, but that kinda stuff makes people wanna go off topic

Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you dont feeling for some 🤷🏾‍♀️

[zinc jay]

Also re: nsfw conversations, some moderators appear to have very not sfw pfps.

[pearl halo]

to go back on a tangent-but-also-related-to-the-original-point, can lore spoilers get the timer shortened? its been like 2 months

[zinc jay]

I just think it needs to be removed outright at this point.

[tulip lava]

The problem with these conversations is that even though they are on-topic they tend to get incredibly circular. A handful of people just dominating the channel by repeating the same points at eachother over and over

Makes it impossible for any other conversation to happen

[pearl halo]

if mods are down to remove it that's good too but im going for middle ground

[tulip lava]

I'll raise the #archived-lore-spoilers timer for review today

[zinc jay]

It’s frustrating how #general-discussion can get modmail’s put in about it many many times but if we do that in #archived-lore-spoilers users don’t get more lasting punishments and instead everyone gets punished, and jokes about deleting the channel are thrown around by mods.

[tulip lava]

See how the team is feeling

As for deleting #archived-lore-spoilers I'd be very against the idea if that gives you any comfort

[sharp turret]

Shorter timer would be nice even if just a little

[stoic steeple]

the whole point of modmail to begin with is because people were getting ignored about shit is why it was made.
Right now even the Admins even are offering their dms.

also the 'certain people' and 'some mods' thing also, Mountainwhale has literally just opened dms for you to actually tell him who these people are so they can look into it. Not doing this is honestly just getting close to breaking the 'No witch hunting' rule thats rule 1 you are going on about too.

[zinc jay]

I’m giving feedback, just stop dude. If you disagree with my annoyances just say why instead of attacking how I’m giving feedback.

[stoic steeple]

I wasnt attacking you but okay

[cosmic drift]

Keeping it civil, having a public conversation is also fine. That’s why this channel is here.

Posting specific names in here isn’t fine, though, please keep those in the specified private channels

[zinc jay]

I assumed as such, been careful to avoid that sort of thing.

[stoic steeple]

I mean all I been saying is just give the names to the Mods in Dms but apparently that is an attack.

[hallow yacht]

I'd be happy if the offenders were muted or warned tbh, gotta break some eggs to make an omelette

[stoic steeple]

the omelet needs to be cooked well though or it'll just leak over

[zinc jay]

Yeah I mean… that’s why those are there, aren’t they - to punish people for acting out of line but something short of an actual ban. Feels like that’d solve a lot of issues quickly.

[hallow yacht]

And the whole "Next one to be weird about minors gets a ban" but then no bans are handed out, but just strikes/warnings

[zinc jay]

Or it takes people a shitton of warnings and reports to actually get banned.

[ornate pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/community-donald-glover-pizza-shocked-disaster-gif-4891734

[tawdry parrot]

I personally want to piggy back off this.

Cleavage is fine. But having basically very obviously exposed breasts that are covered by.. Whatever, due to their abnormal size I think is rather counter intuitive to the point of "don't be lewd in chat."

[muted oriole]

I mean you can block them if u feel offended

[zinc jay]

doesn’t change it.

[muted oriole]

I mean it doesn't affect me just giving a suggestion

[sacred zephyr]

I think it's important to note that not everyone shares the same definition of what constitutes something being 'outright NSFW'. What you might think is over the line, another person might think is perfectly acceptable. We're not blind to that fact and we try to crack down on the obvious cases whilst not going so far as to be prudish and overbearing.

[muted oriole]

I mean I feel if u guys go and start tackling that down u guys will lose ppl, not have a life due to looking at every single pfp or just ppl saying u don't pay for my nitro or w/ e excuse.

[pearl halo]

they were talking about mods not everyone

[hallow yacht]

Blocking people engaging in convos will not prevent new players from seeing said convos in the Discord, and then going

[zinc jay]

^ it doesn’t solve the actual problem. And, frankly, I’m tired of blocking people so often.

[tawdry parrot]

This. The person I am referring to is Sarnai.

I'm rather certain you can't just block a mod.

[surreal shuttle]

I mean, you can. Probably not the best idea in the world, but you can.

[tawdry parrot]

Can I don't believe follows the same line of thought as should.

So which is it. Do you want pornographic sized breasts on your moderaters profile pictures while also saying no lewd in chat or do you want people engaging on sus topic that inevitably circle around to even more degeneracy than is blatantly allowable?

[sacred zephyr]

You mean covered breasts?

Again, as I stated earlier, just because you might believe it is NSFW does not mean that other people do as well. We absolutely will crack down on things that are overtly explicit, but at this stage we don't want to get to the point where we're nitpicking and being overbearing.

[ornate pelican]

We’re discussing this.

The above issues are admin issues now so we’ll deal with it.

There’s no need to debate it further.

[tawdry parrot]

Thank you.
And for clarification if it's relevant, I did make an edit in relation to the size and do want to comment that they're not always fully covered, either.

[tulip lava]

We have taken today's feedback onboard and made some changes/clarifications

• Our pinned message regarding minor characters has been updated in #general-discussion and, as usual, we continue to act in accordance with Discord's rules as guidelines in this area
• Loure's concerns have been voiced in my DMs and the most serious ones (related to minor characters) ended up being a misunderstanding, we take all feedback seriously though and will work through any questions/concerns raised
• We have increased our focus on borderline content in #general-discussion and other channels which may meet the letter of the rules but starts to violate the spirit of them by making conversation uncomfortable
• Having said that while we are a SFW server we are not entirely puritan, the occasional harmless meme isn't going to get people in trouble. No matter what stance we take there will be people who aren't happy with it however we're not against a bit of fun when it's well within our rules and doesn't hurt anyone. If you think something goes too far feel free to open a #discord-modmail but we might not always agree with you.
• The occasional brief jaunt into off-topic discussion in #general-discussion doesn't hurt anyone (and often finishes faster than if we were to shut it down) however we will aim to be more vigilant in nudging those longer conversations into appropriate channels
• #discord-modmail is always open as are my DMs if you're uncomfortable about using modmail for some reason (the entire team watches modmail though so you shouldn't feel worried about someone shutting down a modmail about themselves, this has never happened since modmail was introduced)
• The slowmode in #archived-lore-spoilers has been removed and we will come down hard on bad actors who try and ruin the channel for everyone else.

@tawdry parrot @hallow yacht @zinc jay @stoic steeple @sharp turret @pearl halo @runic fractal

[zinc jay]

I know this issue was resolved, but I just have to voice my respect and appreciation for y’all for listening to feedback, as I know many big servers that wouldn’t do so. Now that I know it may very well be acted upon I’ll voice my concerns in #discord-modmail in the future ❤️

[thorny lantern]

[wise musk]

[gloomy grove]

[muted oriole]

i dont know if you folks are aware but theres a scam going around with ppl asking to vote on CSGO teams. hopefully u guys can make an announcemt making sure ppl dont click on it or they will hack the account/ mainly in steam.

[wise gulch]

Ideally people would know better than to click on sketchy shit. Mods here cant do much if they arent in this server/dming people on this server.

[muted oriole]

i mean i know but just wanted to put it up there specially when someone in one of my clans was not even home and he was messaging others to vote for his team all while he was on vacation

[neat sparrow]

Please make this ilberg emote available here

[hallow yacht]

Im more about the wondering where the red carby is at

[safe charm]

minor emote suggestions for minions i thought were cute (and ovni):

[thorny lantern]

They look tiny, not a fan due to their size.

[ruby shadow]

hi, not sure if right channel but yolo going from old reddit posts for kupo updates - is there a way to block specific kupo commands in a given server? I'm one of the admins of a JP DC server and we'd like to (prob temporarily) block the faq command until job guide misinformation is sorted out, is this possible?

[ornate pelican]

Job guide misinformation? What?

[ruby shadow]

some of my users have reported issues with WHM guides in the last day or so, I don't really know what's going on but we'd like to be able to block the faq command in our server for the time being if possible (Gaia DC English discord, I think you might know our head admin Tsun)

[timid pilot]

I don’t see anything inherently wrong with the whmguide faq, unless people are having an issue with it being on salted.xiv

Unless you mean a different faq

[ruby shadow]

I don't play healer so no idea, the bad links seem to be to google docs and some images tho

I'm not seeing any gdocs links in the whmguides command but, just images, so hm

[safe mural]

The only two WHM faqs which link to google docs are whmcalc and whmrotationplanner

[ruby shadow]

I asked the users that complained, the issue is Fey's Temperance image guides, apparently they're not reputable for accurate theory (translated from Russian so I hope this makes sense)

I don't know enough to debate how true that is, but can we get a way to limit certain commands in a given server?

[waxen root]

If you think something is wrong, you should contact The Balance about it. As it is, though, it just seems like a translation error at worst?

oop, wrong place, I mean Fey Temperance

also, at the bottom

[ruby shadow]

ok, I'll relay that

thanks!

[fiery shuttle]

Misinformation in balance guides?

[plain arch]

The author of the WHM guides in the Balance has recently been going through a fair amount of IRL stuff and isn't there anymore, and likely not maintaining them anymore. I came across that last week; if there's issues in them, that is probably why.

[safe mural]

The faq in question links to image guides from the Fey Temperance discord, not created by Balance mentors

[plain arch]

I've got nothin'. Unless it's the same author.

[safe mural]

It’s not

[safe charm]

they're tiny because they're grouped together and paired with text, but fair enough

[pearl halo]

FWIW on the topic of guide maintenance, any Salted links have the possibility of the writers pulling them and definitely won't see any further updates. Though I think most mentors have gone through the convo of whether to take stuff down or just stop further support by now.

[ornate pelican]

Yes we’re aware. Balance mentors have been moving away from salted

Our mentors have reviewed the Feys Temperance stuff and have found it acceptable

So I don’t see the issue here

[runic fractal]

So is the salted sch guide filled with misinformation too?

[ornate pelican]

No guides are misinformation

[timid pilot]

Either way, we don’t make any of the job-focused faqs, so any queries about those for accuracy/misinformation/outdatedness should be brought up to their respective discord, which is The Balance, Fey’s Temperance, or Akh Morning

[jade wagon]

Has there ever been any thought about making channels that are dedicated / focused for newer players? I know we have #questions-and-help, but I'm wondering if, due to influx of new people as of recent, if a channel or something similar might not be a bad idea. Maybe this idea has been suggested before? I dunno

[deft sorrel]

We'll look into a potential overflow channel when EW launches, but #questions-and-help is our dedicated new player channel for all intents. Looking at our current stats, we've had a spike of new users but nothing particularly special.

[versed mauve]

i second what zook said because ive seen several new players in #questions-and-help ask if theres a channel for talking to fellow new players, and #questions-and-help doesnt allow casual conversation whilst #general-discussion may be overwhelming to them

[zinc jay]

Maybe the channel's name/purpose should be changed, then? questions often take longer than a single sentence to answer, so it often goes into longerish conversations helping specific people out. It feels like the idea of a #questions-and-help is... too specific for the purpose it actually ends up serving.

[half vigil]

We also shouldn't neglect the existence of the role lounges, protips channel and pvp and glamour channels which can also be used for discussion and more focused help. Those have lower traffic so diverting people to those might be better overall rather than needlessly increasing channel bloat

[timid pilot]

When it was originally along the lines of #new-players-help people took it to mean that if you were past X content you couldn’t use the channel anymore

[versed mauve]

i think the name explains exactly how it is, theres no conversation that isnt directly answering a question

we do have plenty of channels for more focused help but i think new players just want a space to be social with other new players and like make friends in the game and stuff

[tulip lava]

So a #general-discussion targeted at newer players?

[versed mauve]

basically

[tulip lava]

I guess the question then is what qualifies a new player

[zinc jay]

^^

#general-discussion is, ultimately, not only daunting but also full of endgame players

[tulip lava]

Not saying one way or the other how I feel about it, just trying to get an understanding of what's being suggested (:

[versed mauve]

well obviously anyone can talk in the channel, but it would be like a channel where people who just joined the game/low level/newbie players can congregate

[zinc jay]

Personally i'd say until like... at least level 60, since that's where the free trial ends?

[timid pilot]

IMO anyone not done with SHB leveling story

[turbid kayak]

I would say that there has been an increase of new players discussing about leveling content and throughout their story to warrant a new-player-discussion channel, not just as a help channel.

[zinc jay]

^

It'd also serve as a place where people can provide help in a more long winded manner

[versed mauve]

usually when new players ask if there's such a space they get directed to the novice network in game or suggest they join a guild, but i think it would be easier and more helpful to have a space on this discord so they can find other new players more easily

[eager stone]

How about a trial run like what you guys did with #glamour-discussion and #protips-and-ui? At least if it doesn't work out, you can say we've tried.

I personally feel it'd be helpful because there are groups/regulars in #general-discussion and it can be daunting to new/shy players to join in with the convo. There are exceptions of course, but I've seen some people that can't keep up with the convo either moved from the channel or the discord.

[ornate pelican]

The biggest problem is that it adds extra moderation work

We can think about it

[safe charm]

it's real

[tulip lava]

#beginner-lounge

@turbid kayak @zinc jay @versed mauve @eager stone @jade wagon

[jade wagon]

I feel seen and that is very much appreciated

[neat sparrow]

Is it possible to somehow curb the amount of asmongold discussion in #general-discussion. Its been pretty annoying as of late, and im sure im not the only person who thinks so. And whenever he does stream it i feel like it'll result in more spam of it.

[versed mauve]

will the mentors also have mod powers in #beginner-lounge ?

[tame osprey]

We can consider directing all asmongold talk to #video-games-general since it'll prob be lots of ffxiv vs wow arguing but we'll see for now

[tame osprey]

yes

[versed mauve]

cool

[half vigil]

did you not want us to?

[versed mauve]

no i was just wondering

[wise gulch]

I feel like it'll only increase until it happens. Then be pretty constant for a week or two after.

Perhaps a temporary containment channel could work.

[fiery shuttle]

Idk why people are making such a big deal about it, its just someone playing ffxiv

[hallow yacht]

Glad to see that the channel is seeing actual use for the newbies

[runic fractal]

A sprout, id assume...

[tulip lava]

We more or less used that as a guideline for the #announcements message yeah

The channel is targeted at those who aren't up to the latest expansion which is more or less what an in-game sprout is

Not that people are going to get thrown out if we hear they're up to Shadowbringers or anything 🙃

As fun as that would be to try enforce

#beginner-lounge has already started to form a distinct sub-community of its own and the vibes have been good. We're quite happy with how it's progressing

[zinc jay]

Definitely seems like a good addition 👍

[hallow yacht]

Yeah, lots of people that i havent seen talking before talk over there, hoping for the day they get the courage to join the #general-discussion convo

[pearl halo]

Can there be more "go to #ffxiv-screenshots" enforcing
Im on my phone most of the time and watching people post ffxiv pictures purely for the purpose of posting pictures should be treated the same as posting irrelevant pictures IMO

If ur adding something to the convo sure but spamming random pictures (even if its FFXIV) just makes it hard to keep track of convos w all the scrolling

Thanks

[untold sequoia]

XIV pictures are allowed to be posted as long as they're not excessive as its on topic

[pearl halo]

What is excessive to mods

[untold sequoia]

Nothing I saw posted in the last 45 minutes is excessive

[pearl halo]

Then what is the point of #ffxiv-screenshots

[eager stone]

The channel is named #ffxiv-screenshots so it's clearly the place to post your screenshots?? are you thinking of #general-discussion ?

[pearl halo]

Might as well delete #art and #ffxiv-screenshots if you're not going to redirect people to it because its not excessive.
Also i think 7pics in the last 10 minutes that all add nothing to the convo is excessive but agree to disagree

[pearl halo]

?

[sharp turret]

Yeah I thought you meant the screenshots channel was excessive at first as well lol
Just the wording I guess

[pearl halo]

Oh

My bad then, i meant #general-discussion needs more "go to #ffxiv-screenshots" enforcement

[eager stone]

Ok that makes your complain more sense lmao

[wise musk]

I don't think it would make sense to curb talk about Asmon playing XIV when the subject involves....discussing XIV. That is the point of #general-discussion. It's no different than talking about Mr. Happy, Xepla, or any other content creator playing XIV. Now if discussion of his journey turns into mud flinging and arguments about XIV vs WoW we'll ofc step in and put an end to it, but other than that it's the latest hot topic during a time where there isn't much to talk about in-game for most players

[pearl halo]

What?

[narrow ferry]

someone had asked about that earlier in the channel

[pearl halo]

Ah

[wise musk]

As for the inquiry about screenshots in #general-discussion as Meara stated we allow screenshots to be posted there as long as it doesn't turn into all out spam that dominates the chat and drowns out any and all discussion. That's generally when we see it as excessive and notify users to stop directing them to #ffxiv-screenshots. We can definitely look into possibly enforcing this a bit more however. Will bring it up with the rest of the staff @pearl halo

[pearl halo]

Okay

[zinc jay]

Any chance we could get an FAQ command on gil making and how there isn’t one, universal answer to it and it’s server dependent? I see the question come up a lot in #questions-and-help and I think a command like that would be valuable.

And… with regards to asmon I don’t see how its an issue either. Not only is it ffxiv related it could also become a huge influx of new players, so I really don’t see why it should be excluded from #general-discussion, that seems like the most appropriate place for it. Frankly, the more annoying thing is to see people constantly talking about how annoying and unfit it is for that channel, when that’s the only place it really does fit.

[tawdry parrot]

Quick question on regards to consistency of some current rulings.

So for some reason posts like the condom joke are allowed, pornographicly sized tits are allowed, and yet a joke that's not explicitly NSFW gets dinged?

You say you're not puritanical and won't get there and yet you do this.

Please pick a middle ground and choose where you're standing because on paper you all say one thing then do another.

Also, in regards to the warning being changed, I don't recall cat girl ever once getting a warning for their blatant off topic post and yet you're doubling down on a bad argument when there's no backing.

[untold sequoia]

The warning was changed regarding the M&M image

Also we're not in the channel 24/7

[tawdry parrot]

Yes.
My argument is that there's a lot of flip flopping and inconsistency going on.

[untold sequoia]

Sometimes we miss stuff

[tawdry parrot]

It should not be missed when I asked Sarnai immediately after it was posted if this was OK. They let it slide.

[tame osprey]

the M&M was specifically dinged because it was disruptive at the moment of posting. the warning was initially for nsfw but we changed upon review on request

also why are you interceding on another's bequest?

[tawdry parrot]

I'm not interceding. Your inconsistency as mods does effect me because I'm told one thing, and should I maybe do something of similar ilk, I may or may not be in a similar position, based on the information I received.

[zinc jay]

If you have a problem with an image why not just... report it via modmail?

[tawdry parrot]

It's feedback.

[untold sequoia]

Also please whenever you have an issue with a specific message, to also link to it instead of just posting a screenshot

Providing a link gives us a more complete picture of the context surrounding it

[sacred zephyr]

The entire staff group here is volunteer only. We do the best with what we've got on our free time. We're not going to be perfect, but we're always looking to improve where we can. If you disagree with a moderator's action or possible inaction, modmail is the preferred method because its more immediately obvious as a form of communication directly to the mod team.

[tawdry parrot]

I'm not here to make a drawn out argument. I'm asking you to pick a statement and stick with it instead of having hair trigger responses to things and then doubling down when you know the take is bad.

[sacred zephyr]

Feedback noted.

[untold sequoia]

pornographicly sized tits
Can you please provide more context to this statement?

[tawdry parrot]

I've mentioned it in the last feedback but was told "were not going to be puritanical and choose what can or cannot be in the discord." was later told it would be an admin discussion.

[ornate pelican]

The problems we felt were problems were dealt with.

If you have a problem with that still then I don’t know what to tell you.

[tawdry parrot]

I'm just using them as examples if anything.

[ornate pelican]

The female body is not inherently sexual and if you’re making it so that’s on you.

They were covered up breasts in a profile picture.

[tawdry parrot]

I am well aware of that but neither are nuts, so.

I feel it kind of goes on the onus of the mod for reading it as such.

[untold sequoia]

A mistake was made in calling the meme NSFW in the warning, the team acknowledged it and rectified the mistake, we're all human and make mistakes sometimes

[tawdry parrot]

I understand, and I appreciate the acknowledgement.

[untold sequoia]

I appreciate you bringing this feedback to us, sometimes things slip through the gaps, or sometimes the wrong calls are made, we'll look over everything you've brought forward and see how we can take this going forward, Thanks again

[spare gate]

A suggestion to set flight as an alias for the flying faq

[half vigil]

done

[zinc jay]

Petition to make this chart into a kupobot faq? https://i.imgur.com/HNtoOC2.png

[timid pilot]

My Issue with that image is that it includes a lot of unused/obsolete icons which can cause confusion

If you can edit that in the gamerescape preview (not edit the actual page and publish it) to remove all the unused stuff then it can work

[zinc jay]

Hmm, I'll see if I can

got rid of the ones I didn't recognize, is this better? https://i.imgur.com/2Sgcau8.png

[timid pilot]

From a quick eyeballing, these are the things you’d need to remove:
Not Found
Looking for Repairs
Looking to Repair
Looking for Party (old)
Sword for Hire (old)
All 3 Alliance stuff
Gardening Icon
Trial Adventurer

[zinc jay]

kk i'll fix it then

[finite pier]

I have never once seen the quest fate icon

[timid pilot]

Oh yes that too

Some of the game master icons might be old but I’ve never seen one to personally verify

[zinc jay]

https://i.imgur.com/nI0rPzK.png ?

[timid pilot]

👍

[zinc jay]

I just figured that'd be a handy command to have :p and yeah, haven't ever seen a gm or been in trouble so I can't confirm what their icons look like now

And I believe this is also missing the meteor icon that's used by squenix staff now but I'm not super sure

I don't think they're common enough to really worry about anyways

[timid pilot]

!faq add playericons “List of Player Icons” “https://i.imgur.com/nI0rPzK.png”

[ancient gale]

Success!

New command added: playericons, Kupo!

[zinc jay]

👍 thanks!

[timid pilot]

!faq playericons

[ancient gale]

List of Player Icons

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/nI0rPzK.png

[versed mauve]

on that note, can we have a general faq for class/job quests explaining what they are? because i keep seeing new players ask this question and we currently have no faq for it. something like: class/job quests start from your class's guild in your starting city, and appear every X levels, in a realm reborn, and every Y levels in the following expansions. they unlock your job's skills and are ***mandatory.*** if you have any job quests available, they will appear under your MSQ bar (top left of the screen by default). and preferably include this image:

[hallow yacht]

I think kupobot should get an !faq for the "critically acclaimed MMORPG" copypaste, just for funsies

[mystic creek]

trialmeme

[hallow yacht]

Would be a nice little wink indeed

[pearl halo]

Can Moogle Supreme role be put above the Nitro Booster role so the light pink is visible

[ornate pelican]

Sure

[pearl halo]

Ty 😊

[celest idol]

Could the questicon faq command be extended to include "red" quests? (the ones you don't meet some requirement for)

I know it may be more of an issue since there is no red quest emoji afaik but usually when people ask about those icons they also wonder what the red one means. Or maybe just add a small text paragraph about those to the command.

[quasi hound]

I wonder if there could be a non-ffxiv art channel? seems like a lot of creatives in this chat and it would be cool to share non ffxiv art too 👁️

[obsidian verge]

could just remove the only ffxiv rule

[quasi hound]

I think its good to have a ffxiv art channel just because some people wanna just look at ffxiv stuff. could just have an art channel in misc section that have the same rules or somethin

[ornate pelican]

We're against channel bloat for the most part

[turbid kayak]

isn't it kind of a bad timing to have the staged event at the same time as the duty commended livestream?

[ornate pelican]

I scheduled at the convenience of the speakers and they gave me the time and date almost a month ago.

Like all events it will be recorded.

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for Runescape Bot#1648

@valid sorrel has been banned by Yen#1904 for the following reason:

Troll

[zinc jay]

Can we get an FAQ on dye, and how to unlock it? If there already is one then what is it?

[safe mural]

Hm, it's not a particularly frequently asked question as far as I'm aware, and there's not really any extra nuance to it that needs explaining. Plus it's unlocked the same place as glamour.

[zinc jay]

I see questions about it pretty frequently in #questions-and-help. Could include information about the dye indicators in there as well, to condense it all.

[safe mural]

Ah it is mentioned in !faq glamour

!faq glamour

[ancient gale]

Glamour FAQ

'What is Glamour and how do I unlock it?'

Glamour is the process of changing an equipment's look into a different item with the use of Glamour Prisms. You can unlock the ability to glamour by doing the level 15 quests 'If I Had a Glamour' in Vesper Bay, West Thanalan. Although not required, you can unlock the ability to dye gear with the nearby quest 'Color Your World'. You can get the Orange Juice needed by talking to the nearby Merchant & Mender. Items used for glamouring are not lost upon use.

'How do I glamour? Where do I get more Prisms?'

Glamouring is done by right-clicking (Square or X on controllers) on the equipment you want to glamour and choosing the option 'Cast Glamour'. After clicking this you choose the item you want the appearance on the right half of the menu that opened up. You can get more Glamour Prisms by either crafting them after completing the quest 'Absolutely Glamourous', buying them from your Grand Company Quartermaster, or buying them from the marketboard.

[safe mural]

!faq dyeicons made this

[ancient gale]

How can I tell if an item can be dyed?

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/kXTQtsP.png

[exotic crescent]

Can there be another text channel for free company recruitment and recruitment for party finder/raid. A lot of the PF recruitment gets drowned out wall posts about free companies

[versed mauve]

thats because people just dont often use the recruitment channel for party recruiting because theres already a system for it built into the game

[turbid kayak]

why would you look at a discord to join a party finder when you could just open the party finder ingame

[zinc jay]

It's much easier to organize via the party finder anyways. Doesn't make sense to add here, it'd be channel bloat

[green spruce]

I usually don't have much luck with party finder in game. thats just my personal exp

[turbid kayak]

https://img.thaun.dev/mfar6.png

[zinc jay]

Can we get an FAQ command on hunts, and how to unlock them etc?

[zinc jay]

can be renamed to pleadingcarby? it isn’t… really sad and looks more like 🥺 than

[simple vine]

We seem to get a lot of people constantly in #glamour-discussion posting glamour photos, rather than looking for glamour help as what appears to be the general point of the channel (from what I gather). would it possibly be beneficial if it were renamed to something like glamour-help to avoid these misconceptions at first glance?

[wise gulch]

I've seen this question pop up a lot. Maybe "Glamour-Discussion".
Frankly I dont see a way to completely stop the people who show up, post an ugly glamour, refuse to elaborate and then leave.

[obsidian verge]

umpeenth time this has been brought up can we Please

[versed mauve]

or at least a warning in the little channel blurb like "SCREENSHOTS GO IN THE SCREENSHOTS CHANNEL"

[autumn parrot]

That wouldn't do anything considering people don't read channel descriptions

[autumn fjord]

i think glamour-help would be more useful, since help naturally invites discussion whereas discussion as a label by itself can be taken as “i want to post a screenshot and get compliments on it”

[simple vine]

Yeah I agree with above ^^^ discussion can still be misconstrued more than help, if you don’t mind me saying (though discussion is still better than glamour alone definitely)

[lunar summit]

Personally I'm not really sure how you have a glamour discussion/help channel and not allow screenshots of glamours

Like if it's relevant to the discussion

[safe mural]

Screenshots of glamours are 100% allowed in that channel, as long as it's part of discussion or asking for help, and not just sharing without context. The latter activity is what #ffxiv-screenshots is for.

[half vigil]

its not about not allowing screenshots. its about people who think its a sharing channel, and don't contribute to discussion or ask about something after they drop it in

[versed mauve]

can we add the official ACT discord to #resources ? unless its already there and i didnt see it

[wise gulch]

#resources message

[lofty gazelle]

I think having LFG channels in the server would help out alot of people

[autumn fjord]

tbh i don’t really see the point of LFG channels when party finder exists and most LFG posts in the datacenter channels go ignored

[untold sequoia]

We do have LFG channels, they're #494379215420915712, ect

[sturdy charm]

Some kinda kupo command for how to use your SE code (since website is shite), [how to use steam one if not obvious] and steam/SE being incompatible. Maybe a short explanation to msq being linear so you need all previous expansions 🤷

[spare gate]

An faq command for job quests showing their location under the msq tracker and explaining why they're basically mandatory as well as how they're needed to unlock class switching would probably be a handy

[versed mauve]

you should automatically get an email with your SE code, and we already have one for steam. we dont really need an faq explanation that windows and steam are incompatible imo. same with msq being linear, and it already tells you on the game page that you need the base game to register shadowbringers

[sturdy charm]

Just been asked a bunch and website has very unclear instructions (doesn't even mention mogstation) and a couple of people have asked about and/or accidentally bought only shadowbringer

[turbid kayak]

add this to !faq purchasewarning or something (which is in the product page when buying shadowbringers) https://img.thaun.dev/ljd3y.png

[half vigil]

Its old info though. Starter includes hw now so shb is just shb and sb

[turbid kayak]

blame that on square enix, they haven't updated their product page, wouldn't matter much anyway.

though this is the one for endwalker if you want that too https://img.thaun.dev/7r7tp.png

[wise gulch]

Formal Request to rename #memes-and-shitposting to #shitpostbringers or #memebringers

[autumn fjord]

hi, i’d like some clarification on the subreddit giveaway rules:
are we supposed to include what prize we prefer out of the 5 dot points listed in the post, or only specify for the gifts that have a choice?

[cosmic drift]

@sullen cobalt

my understanding is that each prize will be randomized, but those that have choices can be selected at time of receipt

[autumn fjord]

i noticed that most submissions didn’t specify the prize they preferred even though the post said “please include which you prefer in your submission”

[sullen cobalt]

Yes, Gist is correct. The prizes are randomized from each bullet and if you are selected for one of the glamour items your preference would apply there. If you are selected for a mount or poster your preference does not apply.

[fiery shuttle]

The new server icon looks like it has a ping on it not really a big deal but i got confused a few times by it

[ornate pelican]

You have 500,000 pings why don’t you check your pings

[fiery shuttle]

Thanks

[cosmic drift]

This is temporary to celebrate the big milestone we made; things will be back to normal on 7/1 :)

[celest pike]

i know have , but is there a way to get a la hee bread emote?

[signal cove]

Can we have a kupo bot message that pops in #beginner-lounge that asks “have you done your MSQ or Job quest?”

[cosmic drift]

what would be the goal, do we want to remind newbies to keep doing their msq/class-job quests?

[signal cove]

Exactly, but I’m not sure if it should just be a simple sentence or a “yeah you’ll be able to do “x” thing when you do more of your msq”

[misty kernel]

I don't think that's really necessary to make a bot message just for that. You don't need to constantly remind someone to do something such as do job quests or msq. It should be a one time reminder after that it should be pretty self explanatory.

The bot reminders are best used to remind people what the channel is for and it should just be that.

[ornate pelican]

Yeah basically this.

[raw basin]

the new discord server icon is probably not the best. it constantly looks like there is a ping because of the red dot on there.

[vagrant belfry]

what dot?

[fresh turret]

[stoic steeple]

that looks like a ping?

[surreal shuttle]

For the record, pings are usually shown at the bottom of the server icon

Not the top

And also since this icon will not stay around for long it’s not worth the effort to change it; it will be gone in a few days

[stoic steeple]

thats why im confused lol

[misty kernel]

With all this complaining about the icon, it doesn't hurt for you guys to wait a few days before they change it. If you it bothers you THAT much that you cannot wait until July 1st that's not really the admin's problem. Let them celebrate the 500k subs.

[exotic citrus]

yes discord pings are bottom

[wise gulch]

Just turn off notifications ya dolts

[exotic citrus]

i dont want to turn off all everyone pings but lots of stream live notifications have everyone pings

or youtube notifications

[languid stone]

You can turn them off per server, or turn them off per channel even

[timid plover]

Yeah, fwiw, I have notifications turned off on most of my servers except maybe 3. And this server icon constantly makes me think I have a new notif. If it's a short-term change then it's nbd, but wanted to chime in that having notifs off just makes it more jarring IMO.

[ornate pelican]

As a note we never ping everyone or here. I’ve made that a hard rule.

You can look through any of the channels and you won’t see them.

If I pinged everyone it would crash the server.

[hexed storm]

came here to complain about the new icon but it looks like people have already said things and it'll be gone soon anyway so i guess it's whatever. really dont like how it tricks me into thinking I have unseen pings for half a second every time i see it, though

[vagrant belfry]

i pressed every button in #842569190410027028 , all of them say "this interaction failed"

[ornate pelican]

Looks like dev crashed at some point last night

[vagrant belfry]

its working as intended now

[ornate pelican]

Yeah I restarted him

[smoky bridge]

Suggestion to add onlyfans to the banned URLs list. I get using OF as funny meme joke is still in style, but there are minors on the server.

[ornate pelican]

Done.

[glass mulch]

Is there still a Kupobot discord? The link is expired 😦

[mystic creek]

discord.gg/4dpPFcWURA

[glass mulch]

Thanks!

[zinc jay]

there's a lot of witch hunty/harassing comments being made in #860940278201319434, can y'all please moderate it a bit more

ofc people are in their right to be upset about stream sniping but that sort of thing... goes against rule 1 here

it's just becoming twitch chat 2 and

[tulip lava]

Feel free to open a #discord-modmail with links to those comments. We can't camp every channel 24x7 and #860940278201319434 is quite high volume (:

[pearl halo]

could lock the channel now since the stream is over and unlock it before he starts streaming tomorrow

since its just gonna get/is already going offtopic in there + easier to moderate the other channels

[celest idol]

kupo seems to struggle with displaying the picture for

edit: nvm, it works now but apparently it's not always working

!faq blmleveling

[ancient gale]

THM/BLM leveling rotations

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/uQGsRLE.png

[surreal shuttle]

It shows up for me on mobile

[celest idol]

It's not the first time I'm seeing this either, but it's very sporadic. Could also just be Discord being weird with loading images ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oak pawn]

or imgur being slow

[ornate pelican]

Yeah it’s a discord thing

That’s why the url is in the footer

So you can still look at it

[vagrant belfry]

glamour seems busted?

[ornate pelican]

Fixed

[zinc jay]

#860940278201319434 really should just stay locked whenever he's not streaming, it just ends up being filled with hostility and bad takes and conversations better suited for other channels

[tame osprey]

it will be read-only when hes not streaming. subject to change in the future

[surreal shuttle]

Refer to pins

In that channel

[twilit knoll]

Hallo o/. Is there a way to disable image previews inside kupobot embeds, eg. in resource sections? I tried closing the link to the image with <>s with no luck

[ornate pelican]

The current way to do it would be to include a blank png as the first image.

As he embeds the first image

[twilit knoll]

Got it, thank you!!

[blazing delta]

Please add a fishing text and voice channel

[untold sequoia]

Why not use one of the FFXIV voice channels?

[blazing delta]

They're not fishin'

[untold sequoia]

You can use Off topic 2

[blazing delta]

It would give us fishers more motivation

[vagrant belfry]

worst case scenario, go to fishermans horizon discord

[sleek drift]

make it so you dont need to boost to screen share

[blazing delta]

what's the link for the fishing discord?

[untold sequoia]

Fishing is just too specific of a topic to justify a voice and text channel on its own, but we can take it under consideration

[sleek drift]

we have a group in here we usually talk about fishing

then all these people join and derail our fishing theorycrafting

[blazing delta]

there's a culinarians corner

[vagrant belfry]

thats for irl food

[untold sequoia]

https://discord.gg/AnFaDpN

[sleek drift]

that could work

[south tendon]

Why is asmongold chat being locked out after the stream? I don't see the point

I imagine people want to talk about it even after the stream ended

[untold sequoia]

Because it becomes a second #general-discussion whenever he's not streaming

You can talk about Asmon's stream outside the channel when its not up

[south tendon]

I still don't see the point. What's the downside of that?

Instead of bothering other people in discussion chat I could just use asmon chat to talk about the stream

[obsidian verge]

yeah theres more than enough demand to keep it open all the time i know you dont wanna have to mod too many channels but the topic is overwhelming in #general-discussion sometimes

[untold sequoia]

The traffic in #860940278201319434 is too much to easily moderate 24/7

[south tendon]

Well that was my feedback I'm out

[untold sequoia]

We can discuss it among the team, but so far we haven't seen it negatively impact other channels except for a couple of incidents

[zinc jay]

#860940278201319434 often devolves into toxicity, bad takes about the game and how to play it, and shitslinging. It’s probably hard for the mods to manage and there’s absolutely no reason to have it be available outside of streams because it just turns into twitch chat 2.

The amount of Yikes™️ stuff I’ve seen in that channel is absolutely astounding, and it really does need to be kept locked when he’s not streaming.

[obsidian verge]

yea but when its locked half of it gets put into #general-discussion

[zinc jay]

where tho

and it’s easier to moderate the content if it’s half like you claim

putting it all in a quarantine channel doesn’t change the fact that it’s toxic/shit behavior

[surreal shuttle]

The channel was made to primarily stop flooding during the stream. It was never meant to be a permanent fixture to the server. Not even a long term one. Asmon talk in #general-discussion has always been okay. We have never said otherwise. Eventually once hype dies down that is where that talk will be

[zinc jay]

^ asmon talk is ultimately on topic with ffxiv so it’d fit fine in #general-discussion outside of the stream

[surreal shuttle]

It is locked when the stream isn’t on because moderators have felt overwhelmed by having to moderate both it and the rest of the server 24/7. The sheer amount of demand it takes on our time is too much to leave it open. Especially since Asmon talk can just be in #general-discussion anyway without issue

[cosmic drift]

yes as mentioned by our mods, we have #doh-dol-lounge

but nothing will beat the Fishcord (which i'm also a part of!) if you just want a community that all rues not getting Ruby Dragon together

(damn ruby dragon)

[wise gulch]

one thing I've noticed when the containment channel is closed is that, by nature of who this guy is, it takes about 0.5 seconds for #general-discussion to turn into a pseudo WoW chat

In this case, what bothers people isnt the length of time that lasts, (ive seen it get hit with "hey go to #video-games-general" pretty quick), but rather how consistently it happens.

There is no direct solution for this. Certain people wouldnt even consider it a problem.
One suggestion would be to actively direct people. When the channel locks, have kupo make a post saying "Hey if you wanna keep talking about wow then #video-games-general is ready for you" or something along those lines. Bonus points if that gets to be the last message in the channel so that anyone else that clicks on it gets to see it.

Just a thought. Overall I think this is being handled pretty well :)

[elder violet]

Another suggestion, after the hype dies down considerably, turn it into a general twitch stream channel and reintroduce Kupo's twitch/streamer features.

[nocturne stratus]

Possible to get dedicated channels to other streamers too? We have an Asmon channel so would like to see like a MrHappy / Zepla / MTQCapture channel etc.

[untold sequoia]

The only reason we have the Asmon channel is because of the large influx of new people he's brought in

[zinc jay]

It's just temporary overflow.

I'd agree with what was said above though, could be repurposed into a general channel about discussing twitch streamers/content creators once the hype has died down a bit.

Though I'd 1000% understand if that would just be too much extra work.

[oak pawn]

i'd be more worried that it would just end up as another dead channel that has no activity after the initial 2 weeks

[cosmic drift]

I might misremember, but I thought this notification was for Discord streams only; did this include Twitch (among other platforms) streams in the beginning perhaps?

[elder violet]

Yes. IIRC this was a thing before Discord supported streaming and before the channels were restructured.

You might be able to find some very old things in #bot-test.

[cosmic drift]

Thanks

[elder violet]

Looked like this, <#general-discussion message>

[turbid kayak]

would threads work with that channel once that comes out? (thread per streamer)

[ornate pelican]

I would honestly be surprised if that code still works

[ornate pelican]

We plan on using threads yes. We’ve been testing them on a second discord.

[tulip lava]

There's probably been at least two API revisions since that code was last used yeah. I suspect it would be a full rewrite

As for threads those have some promising uses. Not sure when they're meant to go live for all servers though, the public beta only started a week ago(ish)

[worn hornet]

why can't I see the code of Kupo Bot?

https://gitlab.com/kupo-bot/KupoBot

[ornate pelican]

Because it’s closed source

[worn hornet]

oooh

Well, I just wanted to know how you would structure so many commands. Are you guys using the strategy pattern by any chance?

[ornate pelican]

He’s split into cogs

[worn hornet]

hmmm

[fiery shuttle]

emote???

someone clean it up

[deft sorrel]

If we had a transparent png, it would probably make a better sticker

[ornate pelican]

"That's where you're wrong Kiddo"

[vagrant belfry]

A.png

[fiery shuttle]

okay the new role-selection is really cool ❤️

[wise gulch]

iirc
Discord limits the amount of messages that feature can send

[autumn fjord]

discord just doesn’t support the volume of messages that will be sent out to thousands and thousands of servers

[waxen root]

it's 2 per hour, the first message that is sent out always says "we cannot push all the messages so please join us here for the translation"

[timid pilot]

it's probably a spam countermeasure

[waxen root]

It's not. I'm not sure of the exact number but more than a few hundred, probably close to a thousand follow the translation channel.

It's meant for stuff like announcing streams, not literally live translations.

[ornate pelican]

It's over 8,000 servers

[waxen root]

I stand corrected!

[timid pilot]

yeah we'd probably crash the servers or something if we could constantly publish the live letter

[sleek drift]

hello i come with a question
can i screenshare?

[thorny lantern]

You can only stream ffxiv on the server.

[scarlet kindle]

Also other final fantasy titles, but you need to either have the kupo supporter role from donating to kupo on patreon, or be a server booster to be able to screennshare

[sleek drift]

what kupo patreon

i googled it and what came up is not what you are referring to i am pretty sure

nvm i found it so 1$ i screenshare

[thorny lantern]

https://www.patreon.com/kupobot

[zinc jay]

I disagree frankly, I think the level of toxicity/aggression in that channel warrants a longer slowmode and it’s helped to make the channel a bit more… usable

exactly why it should remain

[surreal shuttle]

We had a major moderation incident in the channel yesterday

The slowmode had to be increased for it

[hallow yacht]

I think what you said here is kinda toxic and agressive, a slow mode of 30 seconds indeed seems excessive, but i believe the hype hasn't quite died out yet and it helps to keep people from spamming in the channel constantly, which helps everybody to have a chance in being read

[zinc jay]

Based on what I’ve seen out of that channel, my statement is neither toxic nor aggressive and I stand by it.

[deft sorrel]

At the end of the day, decisions will be made by the mod team.

[elder agate]

I mean; if anything I have seen mods and members talking about how bad that channel is more than actual toxicity in the channel itself

[misty kernel]

There are two conflicting arguments here.

1. I don't really agree 30 secs is a good enough slowmode. At that point, for a channel used as much as it is, you might as well not even use it. The channel goes way too fast no matter how long you put the slowmode for. You might as well delete the channel.

2. While I agree the toxicity is less that doesn't mean just because you have a day or half of day of toxicity doesn't mean that you're magically granted a reduction in slowmode. Alot you people choose to be toxic and engage in conversation that shouldn't even be discussed here. I quite frankly doubt some people read the server rules at all. Its not necessarily toxic to say that the slowmode should stay the way it is.

At the end of the day its the mod teams choice to decide what to do with that channel.

[elder agate]

Might be better to close it down instead of creating a stigma around those who use it

[zinc jay]

no one is creating stigma around the users? saying a channel is toxic isnt some jab against those who engage with it

[surreal shuttle]

No need to dogpile

However, I can say re: keeping the channel, moderators are pretty unanimous on it being removed at some point

The point of contention is just when

As for slowmode, it can be discussed, but I can’t make any promises

While slowmode technically doesn’t fix every problem we have moderating there, every little bit helps

It has been particularly taxing on us

[zinc jay]

yeah, this. #archived-lore-spoilers had a slowmode for a month or two before the argumentativeness died down, a few days of less toxic behavior doesnt mean much. if it was removed itd just become asmon twitch chat 2, and that would not only be very hard to moderate but also probably go against the rules.

[tall blaze]

Anyone else get random friend requests from people with 0 mutuals

just joined today and got 3 since then

[open bobcat]

usually scammers, just ignore and move on

[halcyon trout]

Everytime a open the app this screen comes out

Yeah I have selected the roles so idk why it keeps popping up

[misty kernel]

!faq benchmark

[ancient gale]

FINAL FANTASY XIV: Endwalker Official Benchmark

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/benchmark/download/

[misty kernel]

This link is broken??

[oak pawn]

works for me

[misty kernel]

Keeps telling me page not found

[oak pawn]

even if you manually copy?

[misty kernel]

Yeah T.T

[zinc jay]

This link is broken for me too, the one that works is https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/benchmark/?utm_source=endwalker&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=jp_benchmark

[vivid falcon]

That link is broken for me too.. Keeps sending me to Shadowbringers :/

[neat sparrow]

thats because you have the old benchmark website cached. either clear your cache or open the link in a private window

[vivid falcon]

Turns out it was the browser itself blocking it, I had to go through edge to install it lol
Cant install the benchmark through Opera GX

[untold sequoia]

This

[vivid falcon]

I hope thats a fix for other people, I cleared cache and it didnt do anything for me.. not much for it to clear when I just installed this browser

[wise gulch]

Worked on my opera
But it's true that some websites do NOT like working with it.

[tulip lava]

Not the same version you posted but we do have emotes for sage/reaper now (:

[gray tulip]

hype!

[obsidian verge]

nice
rogues still missing btw

[atomic tree]

would it be a good idea to split #technology-discussion into ffxiv tech support and other tech?

[untold sequoia]

There aren't really enough FFXIV tech issues that crop up that can't be handled by #questions-and-help to justify its own channel, but we can discuss it

[atomic tree]

Fair point, thanks for answering!

[zinc jay]

Is Kupo having issues atm?

[pearl halo]

Suggest: Change kupo bot to moogle bot or give it one of the ff9 moogle names

Calling a moogle - kupo, the sound it makes is kinda lame in my eyes

(I'm aware there IS a moogle in ff9 called kupo but it's the only 1 in the whole universe of FF afaik and I feel safe assuming this wasn't the intention here when naming it, just a poor decision

[hallow yacht]

I like kupobot, its easier to pronounce for a non-english speaker than moggle bot

[zinc jay]

"Kupo" is a running joke in this game and it fits fine imo

also it's a lot shorter and easier to write than moogle

[ornate pelican]

Discord is having issues

[zinc jay]

ahh.

[sleek drift]

make a fishing role or make a doh and dol role

it being one role i see these stupid leatherworkers im just gathering

[scarlet kindle]

we have a doh/dol role in #860652505117753384 \

it'ss in the optional roles, together with the other class roles

[sleek drift]

ok

[lunar saddle]

is it ok that I drop in a subreddit specific feedback?

[untold sequoia]

You might be better off opening up a modmail on the subreddit

[lunar saddle]

ok

I have no idea if it worked, but I did the 'message to mods'

[celest idol]

Someone just crashed #beginner-lounge with gifs

[surreal shuttle]

Not just #beginner-lounge

We’re working on it

[pulsar burrow]

Is #860940278201319434 not going to be open whenever he streams on his alt twitch? (Like now)

[ornate pelican]

I think in general we’re looking to phase the channel out slowly since having a channel dedicated to one person long term isn’t something we want to sustain. I believe the mods decided to keep it closed for the alt account.

[surreal shuttle]

Can confirm, am mod^^

[hallow yacht]

I believe that it should be phased into a "ffxiv-streamer-talk" sort of channel, but idk if that even would see enough activity

[surreal shuttle]

We’ve expressed this on this channel before, but the goal is to eventually be able to remove that channel completely. Streamer talk has always been allowed in #general-discussion . #860940278201319434 was created mostly to divert the hype traffic away from the channel. Once we feel we can manage it being in #general-discussion , it will be archived

[misty orbit]

Split FC recruitment and Static recruit into seperate channels.

[modest ruin]

The issue with that is there really isnt much need for it and that would add 6 channels which would be a lot of channel bloat

[misty orbit]

The only bloat it would cause is for multi data server endgame players and moderators which is pretty niche.

[ornate pelican]

We can consider this

[tulip lava]

I'd say we'd likely wait to see the details of DC traveling

That's going to make a big impact on recruitment in-general

[turbid kayak]

possible to add a way to "remove !faq message" by emoting a ❌ to the message when you were the one using the command?

[hollow prairie]

would adding a channel specifically for recruit a friend or recruitment codes be a good idea due to the new players coming in both in-game and in the server? i noticed not a lot of people were aware of this also

[plain arch]

That'd definitely be a 1-2m slowmode channel for sure, to prevent someone from waltzing in and bombing it with code spam.. Seen it happen before.

[untold sequoia]

Usually when people ask about recruit a friend, we direct them to r/ ffxivraf

[hollow prairie]

ohh oke oke

[oblique quartz]

would to like to dump some feedback over the asmon managment.

i think the 30second slomo is nice and good. but if the situation devolves i find it highly unfavorable to punish all the people with upping the slomo to 1 minute when the situation gets out of hand with a handful of people.

giving those people a timeout of x minutes (10-30) would be better because why punish 1000 people if only 3 are idiots?

regarding closing the channel i think that is a very bad idea. sometimes it slightly devolves in a short discussion about asmon in general or asmon and wow or along these lines. "taking measures" if its not strictly asmon x ffxiv will only make the visitors of this discord who come here to smalltalk bout the stream slowly dislike/hate the mods which is contraproductive for their job

even more a strict asmon channel leaves the xiv discusssion free for everbody else to discuss xiv in general. their questions and discussion wont drown in the comments about asmongold playing xiv and the watchers wont be annoyed about comments. yes i write annoyed because both partys will surely clash. one the one side you have the asmonwatchers who wanna talk about him or smalltalk bout the game and him and on other side you have the people who want to discuss xiv. seperating those 2 with a asmonchannel is only productive.

regarding the moderation over the asmonchannel maybe you should get some volunteers who will only manage that channel with very clear rules and very clear timeout till ban rules.

Overall this would be better for everbody. or...and sorry if this sounds salty but feedback oftens comes from those who are annoyed by something....do nothing and the people who want to discuss asmon will look for another discord and this one will be empty again....

[untold sequoia]

We'll adjust how we handle #860940278201319434 as time goes on, but the intent from the beginning was always to eventually phase it out. We're always open on changing our stance, but we can't do that without at least trying out having it closed during streams.

[sacred zephyr]

Please keep in mind this is a trial. He's only been live for an hour, give it a chance. So far things have been going fine. We'll be keeping an eye on things and if we need to adjust we will.

[oblique quartz]

thanks for the answers i understand your point i just wanted to share my concerns. and thanks for letting me know he is streaming totally missed that 😂

[nocturne geyser]

yeah I think closing down the asmon channel is a bad idea

[nocturne geyser]

but to be fair, I don't think this server could be called empty before Asmongold lmao

[wise gulch]

It was not empty. But with the containment channel closed, the main channel in this discord is nothing more than a discount twitch chat. good luck talking about anything else. This is mod sanctioned spam.

[ornate pelican]

I’m so sorry people aren’t talking about what you want to talk about. How can we cater to exactly your needs and not the majority?

To be honest quite frankly it’s a bit tired, all the complaining.

A FFXIV stream is FFXIV related.

Even with the channel open every channel was talking about it anyways.

And it was causing moderation headaches for frankly no good reason. It was always intended to try to phase the channel out and not have it become a permanent fixture.

[wise gulch]

All these valid complaints but I get singled out?
Whats the point of this channel if you cant handle criticism?

[untold sequoia]

All we ask is that you give it a chance

[wise gulch]

I get that. I understand there are not a lot of options. No ideal way to satisfy everyone. Im just dropping some feedback like others have been doing.

[untold sequoia]

We appreciate everyone's feedback, we just need you all to trust that we know what we're doing

[nocturne geyser]

Thank you mods

[nocturne geyser]

tbf the "This is mod sanctioned spam." was unnecessary, mods are trying. It was a bad decision but eh they tried and changed back when they saw it wasn't working

[surreal shuttle]

Keep in mind that regardless of our decision today, #860940278201319434 is not a permanent channel. It will be removed, the question is when, not if. Clearly now is not the time

[wise gulch]

I said it because I felt it was accurate to what was happening/going to happen. The test was deemed a failure because main chat had the equivalent of being spammed. They reverted that decision and thats a good thing.

I didn't just try and take a quick shot at the mods.

I think it's safe to say no one wants it to be a permanent channel. This will blow over in time for End walker.

[hallow yacht]

I believe that a slow mode may be in order in case you guys wanna experiment with the main channel again, it will keep the spam from happening as strong as it was, and also would work for the soon-to-be-launched Endwalker

[vocal saddle]

In my opinion its not a terrible idea to try a ffxiv streamer channel instead. Sure it would be like asmon for a bit but in the long run it could easily allow others to watch their streamers with other like minded people in peace.

[ornate pelican]

In the long term it’d be a dead channel

Full of people linking their streams and no one watching them

[hallow yacht]

Yeh, streamers are ffxiv related anyways(i change my stance after thinking about it since 2 days ago), so if the activity does gets high, just slowmode main channel and ez

[turbid kayak]

wouldn't commentating on ffxiv end of 2.x count as a spoiler talk for ffxiv?
it would definitely not fit on #archived-lore-spoilers either.

[half vigil]

Yes it would be spoiler talk and should be properly spoiler marked.

[vocal saddle]

Not a bad point. I can see why it would be a bad thing. I suppose just slowing down chat when things get too hectic would be the play then, if a bit annoying. Personally I don't mind it so much but I know others would be less than happy at being "punished" for other people.

[ornate pelican]

I want to avoid slow mode in the main channel

[wise musk]

That brings up another issue actually......with Asmon playing through the story and the chat discussing it at a fast pace without spoiler tagging that could ruin important plot points for new players who go into #general-discussion ....something we'll have to think about

[pearl halo]

• 30s and over delay is entirely miserable to have a conversation in. The only people who can really enjoy it are those who come in for a one punch statement, and then leave. ~15s and below is much more tolerable. Fast moving chat channels are apart of popular discord channels! (and tbh I always see the same ~25 people in chat 90% of the time) (Understandable from a mod POV)

• I agree that the Asmongold channel should be removed. Really no need for it when it's FFXIV chat related in the first place. The influx of players didn't start with Asmongold, he only noticed FFXIV and decided to play BECAUSE of the influx of players. (This goes for all streamers).

• It doesn't matter what X.X content they're on. if it's anything more than the first few MSQs of the game, and it's lore related, then it's spoilers. Time the person out for ~30 seconds with a message "Please spoiler tag anything lore related". They do it again right after? 15 minutes. Again? 24 hours. (Just an example).

• I don't really have much more feedback. I don't know what exactly is contributing to it, but I noticed this discord has MUCH more channels than other Discord servers that have 4x the user traffic. I think it just needs some re-organizing?

[surreal shuttle]

Re: #860940278201319434 stuff

• Slowmode in #860940278201319434 will not be going any lower than 30 seconds. The chat goes far too fast for us to moderate effectively with a lower slowmode and, while slowmode doesn’t fix the sheer volume of people posting there, every little bit helps us. The channel has a higher volume of rule breaking and misbehavior than any other channel currently; we moderators need to be able to keep up on rule enforcement as best we can

-The issue with naked spoilers is an issue with the pace of the channel. I, personally, have emphasized the use of tags in the channel, and I’m sure the others have too, but it’s hard to enforce when the channel is going a million miles an hour and we can’t keep up

[versed mauve]

can we please add this as a job quest faq

[untold sequoia]

Add what specifically?

The image?

[versed mauve]

yeah, i suggested it before but we get a lot of new people who dont know where to look for job quests, and we only have the "whynojobquest" faq. i suggested we add an faq that explain exactly what the job quests are and why they're mandatory

[daring breach]

i like this

[wise gulch]

I agree it sounds like a good idea!
what they are
why they matter
resources on how to find your next job quest (sometimes people stagger their leveling/take breaks and they dont know where/how to continue the job quests)
explanation that they turn into Role Quests in Shadowbringers (and likely Endwalker)

[half vigil]

the role quest FAQ already exists in !faq rolequest. Will consider making a job quest faq or tacking it onto the !faq job faq as necessary

[restive jungle]

Is there any chance to get a bot command for the age chart? It comes up reasonably often in #archived-lore-spoilers .

[untold sequoia]

!faq howaboutno

[ancient gale]

Character Age Chart by @texanona

It goes without saying that inappropriate comments or imagery about characters under the age of 18 will result in a Strike or Insta-Ban depending on their severity per Discord's guidelines.

[modest ruin]

!faq howaboutno

[ancient gale]

Character Age Chart by @texanona

It goes without saying that inappropriate comments or imagery about characters under the age of 18 will result in a Strike or Insta-Ban depending on their severity per Discord's guidelines.

[restive jungle]

Oh ty

[untold sequoia]

rekt Hannah

[hallow yacht]

Btw, what seems to be the traffic activity? 👀 im curious about how popular the server got suddenly

[versed mauve]

@hallow yacht multiple wow streamers are trying ff14 now. also seems to be connected to the fact that the game sold out on the SE store

[ornate pelican]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/313800845844152330/865770856214167552/unknown.png

[hallow yacht]

Holy shit thats a spike if i ever saw one

[solar beacon]

ofc, people needed to come her to complain about asmon, i wonder how many autobans/manual bans have been handed out to recent joiners

[ornate pelican]

That’s the live letter

[deft sorrel]

We don't autoban, but we have seen an uptick of automatic timeouts from people not reading the banned word list in #about-this-server.

[calm coral]

That would be fairly common with LLs? Or just ones leading up to an expansion?

[scarlet kindle]

There's always a big spike in users during big events like LL or fanfest and such

[timid pilot]

this was a bigger spike compared to the usual ones that Live Letters generate (like 1-3k normally from what I heard)

[spare gate]

Request for an allias for dflanguages for the dflanguage faq command

[half vigil]

done

[vocal saddle]

Since there's more streamers jumping on the game, maybe it would bear a bit of merit to revisit the streamers channel instead of just asmon.

[obsidian parrot]

I’m going to take a gander and say there’s a reason we don’t have Trial and Full Game roles?

I feel bad asking a person more than once if they’re on trial, or at all really.

[misty kernel]

I don't really think that's a good idea imo. I feel like it would alienate people who have bought the game and those who may not be able to afford the game (or afford it yet). I think its best to keep everyone as equal in terms of roles.

[autumn parrot]

Yeah and in some cases you still need to ask about what people own anyway

[half vigil]

Unnecessary role bloat is another thing to consider. Those roles don't particularly server any positive purpose, and as mentioned are just a means to segregate/alienate players unnecessarily. At the end of the day everyone is still playing the same game, social restrictions aside. Its basically a non-factor whether you're on trial or not, and whether you can use this discord for its communicative purpose.

[versed mauve]

feel like it would just add role bloat and there will inevitably be trial players who dont select the role anyway, and people can just put free trial in their name or something

not that it was a bad suggestion

[obsidian verge]

monthly request to bring back community contests

[violet gulch]

probably not super necessary but perhaps #860940278201319434 could be #streamers-play-ffxiv for a catch all type of channel. dont think its a big deal either way tho

[cosmic drift]

We'll discuss that, thanks

[cosmic drift]

Stay tuned!

[obsidian verge]

👀

[hallow yacht]

This is good, BUT, the channel is still temporary, until the hype dies down and it becomes manageable

[violet gulch]

yup its temporary either way though so i still think it makes sense to consider making it a default streamer channel

[versed mauve]

can we pls get an faq like this, ive seen so many people confused by it:

Starter Edition: A Realm Reborn + Heavensward
Shadowbringers: Stormblood + Shadowbringers (ONLY DLC, requires Starter Edition)
Complete Edition: all of the above
Endwalker: Stormblood + Shadowbringers + Endwalker (ONLY DLC, also requires Starter Edition)

**Note that if you buy Endwalker, you will only get Stormblood and Shadowbringers upon Endwalker release. When Endwalker releases, the Complete Edition will be updated to include it.

[pearl halo]

Yeah there was hella confusion about that sort of thing in the runup to ShB too and it's probably going to get worse

[deft sorrel]

I have a faq for most of that

!faq product

[ancient gale]

How to buy game

Click here for NA

Click here for EU

Click here for JP

Please read over the purchase pages carefully; Square Enix does not look kindly on people who require refunds or perform chargebacks. Chargebacks are grounds for full account termination.

The Starter Edition comes with A Realm Reborn and Heavensward only (content patches 2.0-3.55).

The Complete Edition comes with A Realm Reborn and all expansions up to and including Shadowbringers. (content patches 2.0-5.xx)

The Shadowbringers expansion should only be purchased on its own if: You only own the Starter Edition, or you only own the game up to Stormblood (if you are a new player, this second part likely does not apply to you).

Collector's Edition benefits for Shadowbringers can be viewed here. Note that there is a difference between the physical and digital versions. Digital collector's edition benefits from previous expansions may be purchased on the Mogstation, as well as the digital benefits for Shadowbringers if you buy the standard edition and change your mind later.

[deft sorrel]

I need to update it for the Endwalker purchase

[versed mauve]

i dont think you can buy the physical collectors for shb anymore

[wise gulch]

could it have an alias like !faq expansions or !faq versions
"Product" isnt a common first thought for this type of information

[deft sorrel]

It's "product" because it's so lengthy that we really only want staff summoning it.

Multiple users calling it at once would be a pretty severe chat clog.

[timid mesa]

Hey is it cool if I show a buddy a music video about FF online ? someone is saying im going to get banned for streaming a youtube video in an off-topic channel but like... thats the point of off-topic right ?

just fyi I don't see anything about it in the rules. I went and read those.

[scarlet kindle]

I don't believe you can stream your browser

[timid mesa]

I just did

like like the button works

[obsidian verge]

oooo im telling

[scarlet kindle]

Hm that's not supposed to work afaik

[timid mesa]

look im being straightforward on this

im in offtopic maybe that is why?

[scarlet kindle]

Not an active moderator atm, but long as it doesn't break any rules it should be fine

[timid mesa]

Yeah its just a music video

[obtuse sorrel]

I would want to present a point on this table; taking into account the new people that is getting in the game, and with the old player base that have their grundges (in some cases with motives and in others just because of following the hate train cuz is "fun") against mentors, mentors are to help new people and if this new people are told that mentors are egocentric piece of shit it damages the true mentors that only want to help.

And so with that explained i get to the point: to control this hate against mentors, not silenced it, just control it, we all here now what happens when a majority hates a minority, and despite this minority have his bad people like any groupof humans, it have good people.

If you still dont get my point you can extrapolate (not in their totallity, only the treatment given) to people of colour in the US, minority, some bad apples, people use to generalize all of them.

In my opinion is stupid and as an official discord of ffxiv this hate for mentors should be controlled, or it can evolve into toxicity, old people like me would remember whqt happened in others mmos with this kind of similar thing regarding player hating others just because of X or Y for example the ones who hate in wow the people who got the AQ mount of the event. And if you arent a veteran mmorpg player, you only have to check real life to see how it can degredate to a point of no return.

Sorry for the wall of text and for my English. And thanks.

[hallow yacht]

Ehh... is your problem related to in-game mentors or discord mentors?

[obtuse sorrel]

Oh sorry, in game mentors

[hallow yacht]

Then it's futile, this is #discord-feedback, not in-game feedback, this server is not related to Square Enix or their policies

[obtuse sorrel]

But is related to ffxiv reddit and psrt of the community of the game

[silent flower]

I think Worter means Mentor bashing in the chats here? Maybe?

[obtuse sorrel]

Yes

I understand mentors hate on rants, but at other channels shouldnt be a thing so uncontrollable

[safe mural]

There’s not usually any unwarranted bashing of mentors in this channel as far as I can see. As someone who’s an ingame mentor myself, most of the complaints people have about them in general are quite valid.
Either way comparing it to real-life racial injustice is in very poor taste.

[obtuse sorrel]

Thats why i said not in every point

[surreal shuttle]

Firstly, there is nothing “official” about this discord server. We are attached to the subreddit r/FFXIV and have no association with the actual game or Square Enix. I want to make that immediately clear.

Secondly, while we moderators have a responsibility to maintain a pleasant environment in our server, we also recognize that people are entitled to their opinions. In game mentors have developed a reputation all on their own and separate from this server, and it would be intrusive on our end to restrict people’s opinions on mentors.

Thirdly, equating mentor bashing to actual real life discrimination of marginalized groups is a false equivalency of the worst kind, and, as Lyon said, is in horrendously poor taste. I would advise you to not draw false comparisons between real life controversies and a video game.

[obtuse sorrel]

It cant be extrapolated 1:1 thats why i only took one example, but if you guys dont want racial extrapolation, yumankind have a lot of history regarding people from others groups that are social different, for example back in florencia, masters didnt accept pupils that were poor and it wasnt because of paying the mentor fee, that was payed with the work they would do, they were ditched only becsuse of being poor, even if their work was good, and the other day was a conversation on meme channel regarding mentors

[hallow yacht]

Im a mentor in-game and i bash mentors in here, they're mostly really bad due to the easy way one can obtain mentorship, as long as SE keeps this system, there will be bad mentors, and our bashing will remain(It's reasonable bashing, frustration over how the people that should know, don't know, the people that should teach, don't teach)

[obtuse sorrel]

I understand that there is bad apples in every basket of fruits, but to just say that all that basked of fruits is bad, is generalizing, and that is a bad thing

[surreal shuttle]

As long as they are not bashing specific people or using language that is not allowed on this server, such discussions are not going to be moderated purely because they have a negative opinion on mentors.

[zinc jay]

I still don't think any of that is equatable to justifiable mockery of mentors in a video game.

[obtuse sorrel]

Ok, my main concern was on the "reception" of the new players, they see old players saying bad things about mentors they would go and believe every mentor is the same

[surreal shuttle]

New players can develop their own opinions and we don’t feel that it is our job to police what opinions they form.

[misty kernel]

I do want to ask why is this here and not in its respective channel #rants. Because this seems more like a rant rather than actual discord feedback.

[obtuse sorrel]

Is more than mockery, i was insulted in discord months ago in dm, didnt mind it at the end we worked it out and ended good, and years ago in game a lot of times

[surreal shuttle]

If they want honest answers that aren’t memes, we have #beginner-lounge for that. But even then negative mentor talk will probably still be there because a lot of people have negative opinions on mentors. It’s just the way of things.

We are not going to control what kinds of opinions people have about mentors. It’s just not happening.

[zinc jay]

Then this should be in #rants and not here, as this is not an official discord nor is it affiliated with squenix.

[surreal shuttle]

It is fine for them to be here. I will speak with them. Do not do my job for me.

[obtuse sorrel]

But is affiliated with ffxiv reddit, and blitz i didnt meant to silence their opinions, just to dont make it scalate it into a toxicity spyral against mentors

Im sorry

[surreal shuttle]

If there is actual toxic behavior, that will be moderated for, because we moderate that regardless of context.

But we’re not going to prevent people from being negative about mentors. If that’s the majority opinion, it just is. It’s not our job to change that.

[wise gulch]

is it toxic if I just say something simple like "Fuck Mentors"

[obtuse sorrel]

I didnt wanted that either....

[surreal shuttle]

If you’re asking us to crack down on toxic behavior, we do that anyway. That’s why we are moderators.

[obtuse sorrel]

Ok, sorry for wasting your time guys

Is that i just felt there was more space given regarding mentor hate was on topic, but seems that i was wrong, sorry again

[thick egret]

Hey, so I'm getting a kick and an error message from Kupo Bot whenever I try to stream FFXIV in any of the voice channels; pertaining to a whitelist. I'm a booster and I've reset, force quit my game, and everything. The issue seems to stem from the bot itself. Not sure what to do, I just want to show some housing stuff to my friends.

[untold sequoia]

Your Discord has to show you playing FFXIV

[hallow yacht]

Check over here in Activity Status and make sure the "Display Current Activity as Status Message" is set to on

[thick egret]

Meara already helped me but thank you!

[pearl halo]

I think their should be a special bonus for joining the discord like a discord Mount or something

Just an idea 💡

[modest ruin]

We arent an official discord we have no ties to ffxiv or square enix

We are just a fan ran sever

[pearl halo]

Oooooooooooh

Oof

[oblique depot]

Haha... so maybe the @doh role should be updated to @DoH?
I've been wondering what the tag was that everyone had until I wound up with it myself. Big Homer Simpson vibes.. lol

[vestal narwhal]

can this be a FAQ reference

[fiery shuttle]

O.o tripple triad stuff

Surprising, im sure the mentors will like this

[untold sequoia]

!faq ttcheatsheet

[ancient gale]

Triple Triad rules cheat sheet

[untold sequoia]

@vestal narwhal

[vestal narwhal]

thanks

[torn orchid]

Silly question! I may be in the wrong channel but in following the lodestone news does everything that show up in that channel show up in yours once followed?

[dense geyser]

Yes, but not instantly since it takes time for discord to send it to all the servers

[torn orchid]

Thank you ❤

[vagrant belfry]

request to add 5 seconds to the timer of question 1243 on trivia

[timid pilot]

Naughty people trying to use the !minion command to see answers for LoV questions

Maybe disable the !mount command in trivia too just in case

[vagrant belfry]

question 308 should have 2 as an answer

question 1219 should be updated to match current story

[vagrant belfry]

the correct answer was noted as 3, which was wrong

[south quiver]

This question accepts 3 when the answers should be 2 and 4

[timid pilot]

(None should also work too)

[south quiver]

Oh ya forgot that's an option

[timid pilot]

#trivia message

Accepts “Rigin” as an answer when it should be “Rijin”

[vagrant belfry]

question 1523 has an epic &amp fail

[timid pilot]

#trivia message

“J-Kick” should be an answer

[timid rivet]

Could use a server status channel like server is open or servers are closed

[scarlet kindle]

could just make use of https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/ and refresh it every once in a while

[hallow yacht]

I just look at Kupo Bot's PfP

[timid rivet]

it's inconvenient to have a browser tab open to keep an eye on a server status, if discord has it all, would be easier and etc.

[half vigil]

Its the exact same thing though. and to avoid unnecessary channel bloat. I would advise using the !maint command in #kupo-bot-spam or keeping an eye on that channel during maintenance, as many people tend to use that command there.

[timid rivet]

not exactly, staying within discord channel actually gives more option for more chat, more engagement, but keep spamming bot command, sure

[scarlet kindle]

but you're asking for a dedicated server uptime channel, which

1. would only be relevant during maintenance
2. would not let you stay within the same discord channel, giving said option for more chat and engagement over just using #kupo-bot-spam
3. have the kupo dev team put in time and effort for very little return

[timid rivet]

okay, that makes sense

[turbid kayak]

Can we add https://freetrial.finalfantasyxiv.com/ to !faq freetrial for the unfortunate people who did not register trough the launcher or the freetrial site? (aka they only made an account trough secure.square-enix.com), with the url title as "Free Trial Registration"

[timid pilot]

#831381743927033906 seems to be broken and you can't add/remove the trivia role

[regal comet]

Remove trivia role. Got hounded by pings last night

[cosmic drift]

Taken care of, thanks!

[oblique depot]

Haha cheers 👍

[celest idol]

Could the most recent lodestone post regarding server congestion be pinned in #beginner-lounge and/or #questions-and-help ? It has been a hot topic the past few weeks for obvious reasons and being able to point new people that way would make things a touch easier I think, especially since it comes from an official source.

[untold sequoia]

Is there context to this?

Where are people advertising this?

[misty kernel]

I saw a few in #beginner-lounge and #general-discussion

[umbral fog]

pinned it in both

[icy marsh]

not sure if this is the place for this, but can kupobot do partyfinder with a custom role like "fill"?

[ornate pelican]

!status Gilgamesh

[ancient gale]

Information

Gilgamesh is currently Online
This server is currently: Standard
Creation of New Characters Available

[ornate pelican]

The command to check already exists

I think I also made @timid pilot a command to check preferred worlds

!preferred aether

[ancient gale]

Error!

No preferred worlds found for aether, Kupo!

[celest idol]

Wrong reply I think?

[ornate pelican]

Oh

Probably

[ornate pelican]

I meant to reply to this

[midnight bluff]

Hello i have problems with the game when i bought it from steam, how to register an account pls help

[misty kernel]

We aren't an official discord and we are not affiliated with the FF14 team at all but you can ask in #questions-and-help and they can assist you regarding your account.

[midnight bluff]

thanks

[obsidian parrot]

Could we get the Lodestone page on Gysahl Greens linked to the mount command, or perhaps to another command. I’ve noticed more people asking where to buy them as of late.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/db/item/eeca86f98cc/ this, for convenience

[half vigil]

!faq companion

[ancient gale]

How do I make my chocobo fight?

You can unlock the ability to have your chocobo also be an overworld party member and fight alongside you when you reach level 30 and have completed the quest My Feisty Little Chocobo . As the tutorial states, you do need to feed your bird gysahl greens in order to summon them. Click here for a list of npcs that sell them.

What trees do spec into for my chocobo?
The typically recommended chocobo skill point allocation is to get 4 ranks into the healing tree for choco cure, followed by maxing out the DPS tree. The tank tree does not allow your chicken to gain enough enmity to surpass your own output, so its shelved for last. You can eventually max out every tree, though to level your chocobo past rank 10 you will need Thavnairian Onions

[obsidian parrot]

thank you

[half vigil]

Does that work? I chose to create a new one because the mount faq was already quite lengthy

[obsidian parrot]

I think that works very well, it allows for giving the needed information without providing what people already know (how to get the mount)

[zinc jay]

just got this error from kupo in #beginner-lounge https://i.imgur.com/W8LHMLq.png

[ornate pelican]

Looks like a bad xivapi response. I’ll look into it

[wise marsh]

I dont find it fair that anyone was muted for any real length of time, an hour ago. There were no rules broken, only a mod taking advantage of their power that was tired of a convo half the chat was conversing on. To mute numerous people for an hour, without any REAL warning is ridiculous. Though, even IF it was clearly stated and someone just joining saw some mention the subject that was being talked about, and wrote something of their own.... then only to get muted without even being present to see that the mod was tired of the subject... how would that be fair at all? Its not...

If the mute was 30 seconds or maybe 5 min... it would have still been an unfair punishment, but at least tolerable. 1 Hour is a long time to be muted for, especially since there are people that cant be on for 10+ hours a day. 1 hour may be 20% of someones free time... or more! I hope you guys understand this sort of thing and take steps to correct nonsense like this from happening again.

[hallow yacht]

Im pretty sure the mute happened cuz it was off-topic spiraling out in #general-discussion

[wise marsh]

Then name it clear to take it to that channel, tag the channel... if people continue on, then mute them for like 30 seconds to get their attention or something. 1 hour is punishment for spamming or doing something that break actual hard rules... WHile some people have 10+ hours to sit at their computer, some people only have a few... which would make that hour an extremely large part of their free time.... for talking about a subject that wasnt agaisnt the rules.

[untold sequoia]

Off-topic non-FFXIV related discussions belong in other channels such as #not-ffxiv-discussion

That was the rule that was broken

[wise marsh]

Then anything that isnt FFXIV related should be getting muted. Right?

Because im pretty sure that there has been topics that didnt pertain to FFXIV since you have said that and during the time lots of people were muted for breaking that rule. YOU just were tired of hearing the subject. Thats not fair.

[modest ruin]

we aren't able to be watching the chat 24/7 so sometimes stuff is missed but if we see it and ask you to stop but you don't that's when the mute happens

[hallow yacht]

The automessage says it: "Extended conversation"

A little off-topic doesnt hurts, but the off-topic being so extended to the point it blocks the regular FFXIV convo on the other hand...

[wise marsh]

Im new here. i havent even seen that message... Not that it matters anyway, its a pick and choose to enforce on this rule. Like they said, they cant be here for all messages and due to the nature of conversation, people say things off topic literally every second. Its should be a general ask, but not a punishable rule. Unless it is a major ordeal, people intruding on others that are trying to converse about the main subject. That i can understand, but not 1 hour... unless they had been warned a few times. I would even say a short mute, then longer. That makes sense, thats how i had run things on 40K person servers, because thats fair and make sense. To all of a sudden start strictly enforcing a rule, and then directly stop enforcing it while you are STILL THERE... is not fair in the spirit of that rule.

[modest ruin]

you were muted for breaking this rule. 1 hour is the lowest mute we do, it's the standard mute

[wise marsh]

Then dont mute people for talking politely about subjects that arnt 100% FFXIV? I dont understand why you would do that, conversations drift back and forth, its human nature. That and, the off typic channel is named funky to where even when i was told about an off topic channel but someone else in here in IM afterwards... i couldnt even find it. in fact i joined the stupid off typic voice chat.

The problem with having a separate channel for off-topics, is that the majority of the time its dead... nobody is talking. nobody looks... so why go there and start a convo when you want to talk to people in the channel you are already in? Asking people to leave a channel as a standard user to continue a convo often times leads to just the dropping of the convo because people dont like doing that. WHich is why i suggested tagging the channel and telling people to go there if they continued. Not once, but a few times. Tag people... let them know they are doing something wrong. The channel is spamming, its hard to keep up with it as it is, much less someone with a vaguely smilar blue color as other people, saying something with no "or else" clause on it tags or anything... and then just getting randomly muted for a whole hour?

The last part is opinion, but its logic based....

[modest ruin]

you were muted for not following moderators' instructions

[wise marsh]

Yeah, thats a super easy fall back thing. It really is. Doesnt mean its fair, but it is. The problem is, i didnt see it.... If i would have seen it and said that, i woudl have been like "Well fk oh well lol". But i was typing more than a paragraph long post... in a spamming chat channel. How was i even to know it was said?

[modest ruin]

we have modmail which you can use to discuss this further

[wise marsh]

Unless i was paying attention the entire time, and like you said... its hard to keep up with everything thats said... so you cant enforce that rule all the time. Why would it be any different the opposite way?

Oh i did.... i did... it took approx 40 min before someone replied. Then 20ish min of back and forth dialog.

Then "Well its only 2 min till you are unmuted..."

[surreal shuttle]

Discussions such as these should be taken to modmail. But the rules of what is and isn’t allowed in the channel are immediately clear in the channel description. We will still hold you liable for not following them even if you didn’t take the time to see them

And yes, we do show a level of discretion for when we step in to stop offtopic. In your case it was more than appropriate

[wise marsh]

How is it fair to enforce a rule, only part of the time? Should someone not go back and post mute people for talking out of subject?

[surreal shuttle]

We usually do not have to resort to mutes for these cases

We did for you because you didn’t stop after being told to stop

[ornate pelican]

Mutes will only occur if you continue to break the rules once asked to stopped.

It’s that simple.

[wise marsh]

So, admitted there is that you do pick and choose when to enforce that rule... but also that someone doesnt need to see the rule or mod saying not to do it to be punished. So its ok, till its not ok... and then if you didnt see anything abou tit not being ok at that time period, then you get punished.

[ornate pelican]

You’re throwing a tantrum because you ignored the moderator warnings to move the topic back on point. I really don’t have much sympathy here.

[wise marsh]

I didnt see them say the 4 words in a spamming chat channel while i was wrist deep in a paragraph post.... So is that fair? Everyoen was talking about it, it wasnt 1 on 1 convo, it was like 10 people or more... Multiple people got muted for it, back to back to back.

[ornate pelican]

Then I don’t see what the problem is here

[wise marsh]

That obviously more peopel didnt see it as well... or they would have reasonably stopped. It wasnt a heated debate, it was just casual playful chat.

[ornate pelican]

You didn’t even get a warning for it

As in no mark on your account

You were just muted

[wise marsh]

Thats fine, i wouldnt expect to have been punished that severely... obviously. It wasnt a massive rule break, in most places its not even punishable unless its overly excessive. So its not normal to be punished for an hour, unless its really really bad. You guys just have a "you were doing something really bad" level of punishment as a minimum punishment.

[ornate pelican]

Your complaint is noted but I see no reason to over turn anything the mods have done here. They have acted in accordance with our SOP.

[wise marsh]

And this is my first time really talking in here, i joined last night and asked a couple of questions and bounced out. Today was my first day of sitting down and talking with people, and i get hammered for doing something normal, and in my eyes... without even the hint of a warning. So yeah, it really ruffled my feathers.

I would only suggest to make things more clear when you are about to strictly punish people for something like this. Thats all. If i would have noticed a mod saying something about it, i wouldnt have continued. But the fact that i didnt and was made to stand in the corner for an hour with a public display of punishment... then thats just wrong.

[calm kernel]

ehhh

[ornate pelican]

A one hour mute is our least severe punishment typically. Mods acted accordingly.

Familiarize yourself with the rules.

[calm kernel]

can we ask for party for trails and dungeon here?

[wise marsh]

1 hour for saying something about measurements when everyone else was talking about measurements... and on my end no warning... 1 hour mute. Thats not fair no.

[ornate pelican]

You’re welcome to try

But I don’t think you’d find much luck

[calm kernel]

ok

[untold sequoia]

Your best bet would be in #603040697884475393

[ornate pelican]

Your opinion is noted but I don’t really care.

[calm kernel]

ok cool tysm

[wise marsh]

Anyway, you are going to back up your mods, and you dont really care what 1 person has to say clearly. thats just the way it is. Why worry about 1 person that has the guff to actually say something about it. Ill toots out of here cause theres no point in talking about it anymore.

[ornate pelican]

I don’t always back up my mods. I lecture them quite often actually.

Most long time members here can attest to my blunt nature. I’m not the kind of person to blindly follow what my staff has done.

[wise marsh]

Mm. Well like i said, no point in talking about it anymore, you clearly dont care.

[cosmic drift]

So the long and short is that muting is an effective way of stifling an uncivil discussion before anything banworthy actually happens. There’s a bunch of other stuff to do in the interim of being muted.

This isn’t for @wise marsh by the way, this is for future reference of others that feel upset when they’re muted.

Care or don’t, it’s one hour of hundreds of thousands you’ve got. Just be kind!

[turbid kayak]

You did manage to get a warning to stop talking about the topic on the same minute you talked about the topic.

[ornate pelican]

Ok I’m going to end this here because I’m not going to play the gang pile on the mad guy game

[wise marsh]

In a spamming chat channel, while i was a few sentences into a paragraph... Thats not a warning, and it wasnt directed at me, and it was very short and... kinda blue with other kinda blue names... doesnt let me know they are a mod.

[ornate pelican]

So let’s move back to discussion channels please.

He’s voiced his concerns there’s no reason to add fuel on the fire.

[wise marsh]

Even if i had seen it.

But scrolling back, hell.. people were gettin gmuted WHILE i was typing... Clearly i didnt see this statement...

[ornate pelican]

We get the point. Let’s stop now please.

[celest idol]

I don't know from which resource kupo is pulling but that trait at least is outdated since the monk rework

[scarlet kindle]

Says at the bottom, xivapi

[celest idol]

me dumb

[hoary yew]

Hi, I made a guide for sprouts who are having trouble figuring out how to install FFXIV and was wondering if the mod team could take a look and if its possible to be utilized for future use to help the mentors out with people with installation issues, below is the link to the google doc. If anything else needs to be added please let me know.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a2h44r7R3uYnFMtJld6JDCEb7cmkB6dfy4MjKJbmaOg/edit?usp=sharing

[waxen root]

Re: Free Trial: make sure to emphasize you can only have one free trial platform, you can't swap without paying

Re: Steam: I'm fairly sure the Steam launcher takes care of everything, you just need to log into the Full Game launcher with your Free Trial account, no key shenanigans required.

[turbid kayak]

Would also be nice to add "I get this error, wtf do i do" at the bottom of the guide. For example, if one attempts to register the free trial when already done. Send them a link to the free trial download.

[plucky solstice]

There's definitely a few errors/cases that are not as obvious how to resolve which become road blocks for newer players to just getting the trial/game

[orchid heart]

/p su

[urban notch]

Hey, just wondering if we could get a seperate chatroom for the worlds and not just the datacenters?

[timid pilot]

With how inactive the datacenter channels are, it'd just be unnecessary channel bloat.

And there's very few things that need people on a specific world that Party Finder/World Visit can't do.

[hallow yacht]

Ahoy there, have you guys thought about getting more mentors for the discord? There is a lot of uninformed opinions going around recently, and having more people recognized by the server as having "common sense" or being "lore-knowledgeable" would help end the arguments that happens a lot of times in a more satisfying manner. Just my grain of salt o/

[ornate pelican]

Mentors are only recruited in general through moderator recommendation. When we took player recommendations it was mostly troll suggestions.

[hallow yacht]

Big oof... but are you peeps thinking about getting more?

[ornate pelican]

I’m not opposed to it

[hallow yacht]

Nice , that's all, i just see that there's been a lot more arguing and a lot more of people going "meh" and just continuing to spread wrong info another day after being shown why it's wrong(it's just my personal belief that most players will react better to information if it's from a peer recognized person)

[plucky solstice]

There's a lot of evidence to back that belief - speaking from experience over the past 5 years. Misinformation is always going to be problematic, and it does help when correct information comes from someone known, although that's not to say they are infallible, and when wrong it's important they accept that, learn and change.

That said, I would generally encourage it to be done objectively based on merits, knowledge and experience rather than what can come off as biased and nepotist selection for candidates. Not saying that it's a problem here, but I know how it can be a problem.

The best we can do is funnel to the information that isn't wrong