discord-feedback

[eager stone]

Hello <@&151564672154206208> ! May I request a translation of the Q&A KR PLL had with YoshiP & Oda? There's a JP translation of it on the following link http://blog.livedoor.jp/umadori0726/archives/60517255.html

If you guys have time and willing! Thank you 🙇‍♀️

[remote hamlet]

Thanks for bringing it up. I'll look into this

[round gull]

i could translate whatever isnt going to be maybe

[autumn fjord]

@remote hamlet apparently the korean to japanese translation on the interview from umadori had some inaccuracies

[remote hamlet]

Please point it out

Rather

Please gather every single inaccuracies, followed by the fix, and what it's supposed to be, and let me know through either here, or DM

[autumn fjord]

apologies, saw some claims that "the reddit translation from japanese is completely wrong", but i presume it comes from concerns that some nuance was lost in translation between kr to jp to en, since you didn't translate from the original source. i'll let you know if i find out anything besides that

[remote hamlet]

Sorry, if you want to point out that there are inaccuracies, you need to be specific. Where, how, and so on. Just telling me "you're wrong" doesn't help. So yeah.

And yes, I only translate based on the JP text, and not from KR as I do not know Korean.

[autumn fjord]

yeah that is my bad (since that claim was repeated by a lot of twitter users), your translation seems to match up well to other translations from korean speakers. but unfortunately there seems to be a lot of distrust about your translations in general.

one small thing, you specified "according to himself" for ||hyth's age||, but omitted the same line for ||venat||

[remote hamlet]

Yeah, that's because it's not done yet.

[autumn fjord]

thanks for the correction and your hard work 🙇

[remote hamlet]

Done.

[zinc jay]

kupo has not detected the upcoming maint https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/f5da33660ecac1f66dcd0d87eddde367efb4ae06

[eager stone]

THANK YOU SO MUCH for your work and time!! 🙇‍♀️❤️ I really appreciate it

[stone aurora]

This is due to Square Enix being bad and not formatting their dates and times the same way they do for every other maintenance. I'll work a patch out here in a bit.

[stone aurora]

This has been fixed, thank you for letting us know!

[zinc jay]

[zinc jay]

Is it possible to get a command that counts down to savage release?

[stone aurora]

There's not one baked in atm, but it's something we could potentially add.

[zinc jay]

Would be nice to have, assuming that they continue to give a weeklong gap for savage in 7.0

[stone aurora]

Probally, I think there's a few timers we've let deprecate, like the patch timer, etc.

[half vigil]

Could potentially make use of events as a well for this purpose

[stone aurora]

I'll throw a ticket into the backlog to consider some options, as I think a global command isn't the worst, just how to do it and what the functional frontend commands are needs to be considered.

[wanton shadow]

Hey there! I'm new here and trying to figure out Kupo bot. I'm just wondering how to get the button ID from a discord message. Does anyone know?

[minor kelp]

Hi, kupo has a dedicated support discord, the best help will be there; https://discord.gg/4dpPFcWURA

[wanton shadow]

Thanks!

[zinc jay]

[gray nexus]

I just wanted to give the biggest pat on the back for who designed the server icon and banner amazing work as always

[cosmic drift]

Credit to @median jolt, twitter @OlivinePeridot

💁‍♀️

[fossil apex]

I second Ivy's statement! @median jolt you did a wonderful job it looks beautiful

[hybrid crown]

I can't seem to find any gender pronoun roles on this server, and I was wondering if there's any plans to add them? Not only would it be a good/fitting addition during pride month, but I actually recently changed mine from he/him to she/her and was thinking it would be nice if I could just have a little role tagged with that to help the social transition a bit instead of having to like, put it in my username

[zinc jay]

It would be too much role bloat, though you can very much put them in your display name like I do.

[untold sequoia]

Changing your nickname to include it would be the most notiable way, you could also the About Me section like I do

[hybrid crown]

Thank you for the suggestions. As you can see, I took the former, but will probably transition to about me (the latter) when it's less fresh (just bc I'm sure people are used to saying he/him for me at the moment)

[untold sequoia]

Best of luck

[sweet zenith]

discord is adding that to your profiles anyway its rolling out slow

[pearl halo]

Okay, so, it would be really nice if some of the administration of this server would, at least, try not to produce an in-game atmosphere that is excessively demanding both in terms of skill and time commitment. Not everyone who plays can afford to put forth that kind of effort, let alone be willing to. This is the Final Fantasy XIV Discord that you find when you search for a community on Discord. I understand that people with a high-level of skill or extensive knowledge of a given subject don't always realize that they things that they do can seem rather condescending, but it seems kind of like some people are doing such things on purpose and I don't want for this game to have that kind of environment.

For example, it seems like some of the mods are consistently hazing new players in the beginners longue.

[untold sequoia]

Do you have examples of this behaviour? Please feel free to open a #discord-modmail with links to where this issues occured and I'll look into it

[pearl halo]

What is the use?

[untold sequoia]

To stop this from happening?

[pearl halo]

I don't run the server or anything, but I'm just saying that this should be an inclusive game environment.

[timid pilot]

If you can’t give examples of the issue occurring, how can the mod team address it?

[distant warren]

Is this about in game interactions or something that happened in the discord?

[plucky niche]

not to dogpile but this is honestly a #discord-modmail not a discord feedback issue

airing your laundry publicly achieves nothing additional

[untold sequoia]

I'm just looking for some idea of the issues you're facing

[wheat shuttle]

it goes without saying, but the team here has zero control or administrative abilities ingame; this discord is unaffiliated with CBU3/Squeenix. If something has happened ingame, look into opening a GM ticket

[pearl halo]

Just, like, idk, this Discord, kinda. It seems not very welcoming to casual players.
It's probably fine. I don't know. Mabye I just read into too much?
It's that whole thousand, little needles sort of thing.
There just seems to be a somewhat condoned culture of being rather passive aggressive towards people who aren't willing to log, god knows how many hours, to...and, so on, and, so, forth.
@untold sequoia Eh, forget it. I hate filing complaints and that sort of thing. I'm just trying to put it out there that the server should be welcoming to new players as well. That's the whole peace, really.

[untold sequoia]

I figure they're talking about this server specifically since they specifically mentioned #beginner-lounge

[plucky niche]

honestly i don't know what you're trying to say or achieve if you're not willing to actually. assist in taking any action against what you claim to be happening

[untold sequoia]

Well I can't promise anything will happen, but we'll look into it

@plucky niche The commentary is unneeded and unwelcome

[plucky niche]

noted

[pearl halo]

Even just that they're constantly using the beginner server, which, admittedly, is very minor, kind of has the effect of it not being a functional place for beginners to meet other players. Like, there's been a ton of in-jokes and discussion about the game that's obviously lost on anyone new to the game, i.e. who has a sprout like me. I don't want to make a fuss or get anyone in trouble or whatever, but, if you're not saying to the sprout, "hi, it's nice to meet you!", then, I'm not sure what you're doing on that server. They could talk about the game in a lot of other places, I guess. I don't know. I just feel like this place seems relatively off-putting and maybe all too daunting for anyone new to the game. I'm sorry that I accused the mods of facilitating this, since I don't even know who the mods are, but I'm just saying that the beginners lounge should mostly have people with sprouts talking to one another, as well as more active or long-standing players being welcoming and giving good advice.

[untold sequoia]

Due to the nature of what SE considers a sprout, we're talking a difference of hundreds of hours of playtime and experience between a brand new player and someone who has been playing for awhile but is still a sprout

Even sprouts who have been playing for awhile will make in jokes that brand new players won't get just from the nature of playing the game longer

[simple vine]

In my experience - people are always happy to answer questions, especially in beginner lounge, if they're talking about something you don't get. Sometimes brand new messages might get missed if people are already chatting and involved in another topic, but I believe that engaging even after that will show that beginner lounge is a pretty friendly and helpful spot.

[plucky niche]

beginners' does also have a bit of a historical rap for segwaying off topic, but people are rarely going to complain over being asked something pertaining to the channel's role

[hallow yacht]

BTW, I'm not here to add something to this convo, sorry to interrupt, but when will we get the forbidden words filter list added again?

[pearl halo]

Yeah, no, that's all totally understandable. I don't know. It could just be me. I just feel kinda like there's a lot of people on that server who aren't sprouts and who also aren't talking about things that people who are sprouts would find to be relevant to them and that, because of that, since said people could use the general chat or the game discussion server, it's difficult for beginners to go on the server and meet other beginners so that they can find friends in the game who are at their level of skill and time of play. I mean, it's not a really big deal, I guess. I just feel like maybe they're kind of occupying it a little too much.

[hallow yacht]

At this point you may aswell just take this to #general-discussion if it's gonna be long, it will drown out other people's feedback (Like my question)

[untold sequoia]

Yeah agreed

[plucky niche]

or #discord-modmail. best i can say is this concern has come up before when it was screamingly pertinent and was addressed then - i think to the general user's perception, that hasn't reoccured

[untold sequoia]

This can either be taken to #general-discussion or moved to #discord-modmail

[zinc jay]

Afaik its whenever they find a service that allows them to list those terms

[hallow yacht]

How about a google spreadsheet? those can be easily accessible by people, and you just set up so nobody else can modify it

[zinc jay]

Google has rules against that sort of language i believe which could just get someone banned from google (even though its not malicious)

[hallow yacht]

Damn I didnt know that, oh well, understandable and I hope the team finds a solution soon

[pearl halo]

@hallow yacht Oh, sorry.
Also, I think that it's really probably fine. I wouldn't worry too much about it or anything. Sorry to be as I have. I don't really feel a need to keep talking about this, and, so, no reason to move the discussion. I hope that all is well and all and no hard feelings or whatever. Mostly, I guess, I just wanted to point that out. Well, I won't bug you all with anything else, and, so, until whenever, cya!

[zinc jay]

<@&100464652139368448>

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for raion#0

@graceful nimbus has been banned by Shue 👞#6618 for the following reason:

Please chat elsewhere

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[minor kelp]

thanks Sen

[zinc jay]

[sage heath]

[hybrid crown]

we need a thancred emote imo

|| || i mean how come these scions get emotes but not thancred, just saying

[obsidian verge]

[silk raptor]

lyse too then

[viral perch]

Are there any plans to eventually migrate the vast array of resources/guides on the subreddits sidebar to the discord in case of a extended blackout? You guys have some really good easy to access guides I've sent over the years to friends when I am not directly able to assist that were written by users over the years.

[umbral fog]

yes, we have already grabbed a lot of the stuff from the subreddit and have them in pastebins, etc so that we can go ahead and update them (as some of them do need a bit of a clean up)/rework their faqs to still contain the information without linking to the subreddit.

if there's anything in particular that you think we should grab, let us know here as the subreddit mods are in the discord and can grab any of the stuff that we may have missed.

[timid pilot]

^

We currently, at least to my knowledge, have the Anima, Leveling, Poetics, and Zodiac faqs in separate pastebins. We just need to update those to include them in the body

[viral perch]

I really enjoyed the new/returning player guides and FAQ's from the sidebar especially the "Coming from WoW?" One. A LOT of people I know who dont play have played WoW at some point so it was a good resource. I've considered doing my own write ups for different eras of that game alone cause so much is compareable tho haha

[tiny nebula]

I'd like the posts of all the timelines from the current raid tier

[zinc jay]

you can find those on the balance server

[violet plinth]

is #questions-and-help supposed to be non-slowmode anymore?

[merry ore]

No

[zinc jay]

any chance for an faq about the reddit blackout?

[granite aurora]

this is what I received as an answer, hope it helps

[zinc jay]

I know what it is. I'm asking so it's easier to explain to others what's going on.

[minor kelp]

Link this for now; https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivmeta/comments/147nnlr/why_is_rffxiv_set_to_private/ it's pinned in #general-discussion too, faq/announcement may follow

[zinc jay]

kk thanks! will bookmark

[hallow yacht]

A small question, if I am NA only on Discord role, why can I see the rest of the lodestone news?

[autumn parrot]

It could just be discord being discord but you can completely hide any channel you want to now with the channels & roles section

[hallow yacht]

Thanks, just had to uncheck where it says "Follow Category"

[tiny nebula]

Please post the p9s JP limit cut guide post

[timid pilot]

We don’t make guides, but here’s an Imgur album https://imgur.com/a/UJkGXk6

[cosmic drift]

All regions can view & follow any (or all) lodestone language channels to promote accessibility of FFXIV updates

[hallow yacht]

Oh, so roles are now mostly for cosmetic(name color) or descriptive purposes nice nice

[graceful sundial]

I just noticed that this discord isn't on the subreddit private notice. Shouldn't it be added there so people know where to look during the blackout?

[untold sequoia]

Its included in the meta post

[brave belfry]

Hi. Anyone have any idea why shutting down r/FFXIV is supposedly an effective protest? Like, if you're protesting the harm an API access cost would cause users, why does preventing users from using the subreddit entirely help anything?

[azure gate]

Without traffic, Reddit servers are idling and since the servers just can't go down as user activity can happen any second they are consuming power which costs money. And also without user traffic ads aren't being seen which means advertisers won't pay Reddit to display ads as no one is seeing them.

Tl;dr: it costs them money to have no one using Reddit

[cosmic drift]

I'll defer to our <@&914948682418368582> to speak on behalf of the team here.

In the interim, please feel free to browse media articles that highlight what caused these protests: (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/01/reddit-eyeing-ipo-charge-millions-in-fees-for-third-party-api-access.html, https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/01/tech/reddit-outrage-data-access-charge/index.html, et al)

[brave belfry]

Probably not enough money for them to care, unfortunately. So the idea is to block users - the people the protest purports to protect from harm - from using their service because without users, Reddit's ads don't get seen and advertisers won't pay Reddit for serving the ads. Users are the bargaining chip. Users are being harmed in order to protest user harm

[final dome]

We put the subject to the community before agreeing to the blackout and our users voted overwhelmingly in favor of participating in the blackout. There were multiple sticky threads, as well as sticky comments on every thread in the days leading up to the blackout to make sure people were informed as to what was happening and to solicit their feedback. I'm sorry if you don't agree with the protest or weren't aware going into it, but we made every effort to inform the community and make sure our actions aligned with their wishes.

[brave belfry]

My agreement or disagreement is beside the point. What I wanted to know was the reasoning behind the tactic. And now I have learned. Thank you so much!

[dense cobalt]

this, holy shit this. I didn't care much going into the blackout and had a pretty neutral stance on the topic. My feed, and information in general, has been made a bargaining chip because a very small minority of people are pissy they can't use a 3rd party app to read Reddit anymore. Guess where my stance on the topic is now.

[carmine rivet]

This isn't an open forum about wether or not you support the blackout, this is a feedback channel for the discord.

[safe mural]

I understand the blackout is inconvenient for many people but ranting about it in this channel is not productive. While this discord is affiliated with the subreddit, our moderation teams, though they have some overlap, are separate.
If you oppose the blackout then you can vote in the subreddit poll on the 19th whether it continues for longer.

[ornate pelican]

Sir this is a Wendy’s

[hallow yacht]

I consider this a great opportunity to grow more the resources available inside the discord server

The main issue would be channel bloat

[lapis ibex]

The reddit blackout won't ever last anyway...

[safe mural]

See above. This is a discord feedback channel

[lapis ibex]

this is why you DON'T say the end date for a protest and you DON'T just stop it after a few days.

[timid pilot]

^

[lapis ibex]

Reddit admins know that those subreddits will come back that's why they are not that concerned...

[safe mural]

!mute 409644632914395143 1h

[ancient gale]

Success!

@lapis ibex has been muted by @safe mural for 1 hour!

[safe mural]

This is not the place to rant about the Reddit blackout.

[zinc jay]

can we get as an emote here (link to it) https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1116160450833432697.webp

[plucky niche]

is this the place to ask questions pertaining to the reddit blackout? (namely, what the future might hold)

with respect, most of the people above who got told to eat rocks were here to bitch and moan. that wasn't what i was looking to discuss

[surreal shuttle]

There’s a feedback thread on the subreddit atm. This channel isn’t for discussing it

[minor kelp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/14ddwvd/welcome_back_rffxiv_is_currently_in_restricted/

Please make your views known there

[plucky niche]

thanks. wasn't sure if that thread received input.

[uncut hedge]

Welp, I voted, for all the good that's likely to do

[cosmic drift]

Future posts that do not pertain to feedback regarding the Discord server will be removed, thank you!

[modest ruin]

Shouldn't the channel description be changed then? It mentions using this for getting help with the subreddits?

[cosmic drift]

Discussion regarding the current subreddit blackout is unfortunately not getting help with the subreddits. I'll discuss with the teams involved and see whether or not adjustments need to be made, thanks!

[violet plinth]

now that the blackout's over, what's the plan for #1116899335628668979 ? it was put up for those more familiar with reddit's style but now that the sub's back up...

[hoary garden]

I see no particular reason to change it presently. Both formats seem to be functional and serving the intended purpose, and with the thread style people are able to see focused replies to their questions if general chatroom-style scrolling is a bit overwhelming.

[timid pilot]

I like it.

[round gull]

Also likey

[gray nexus]

Also like it it feels like a very nice addition when chats get clustered people can be certain they get their things answered there

[grave orchid]

any discussion/lounge channel - preferably at the appropriate times or in dms

[stray yacht]

Questions and answers is moderated too heavily. My Professional engineering where millions of dollars are on the line support channels are less moderated than a video game support channel. Slow mode actually prevents from helping as it often means doing the pattern of replying and then linking resources difficult. Or to post-hoc clarify your answer. Also i was muted for 24 hours because I brought this up. CIVILLY and politely. I thought they meant to use this channel for future feedback. but they muted me cuz instead of pinging me in this channel to continue the conversation they continued to engage with me in that channel so they could mute me. If they wanted me to move the discussion they could have continued to engage in the appropriate channel instead of continuing to engage with me in the channel where the discussion would already happened. Instead they chose to engage with me in that channel until they just off handidly muted me. (again was a civil discusssion).

Also plenty of larger video game discord support channels work just fine and they are quite a bit less heavily moderated. Is that heavy moderation even necessary?

[zinc jay]

It is, yes. Too many issues with people clamouring to answer questions (often incorrectly) without thinking through their answers, off topic jokes or quips filling up the channel and making harder to find a precise answer.

I was there when that happened, and you were told to move and that your quips were unwelcome by mentors.

[stray yacht]

I made one minor quip that could not have been construed as misinformation or wrong answer. and stopped after telling me to stop.

Also tons of support communities operate just fine without policing obvious jokes. or slowmode. Slowmode doesn't really fix "thinking through answers" it just frustrates and puts off helpful people. The only thing that's going to help that is thoughtful moderation.

And quips and jokes are often never the problem. it's only problem if they can be construed as a right answer and thus misinformation. That is what needs to be moderated.

[simple vine]

Slow mode encourages people to think about their responses and not race to answer questions with shoddy answers. It’s been a great help to questions and help. In addition to that, plenty of experience in that channel mean that we all feel quips and jokes are a problem even if you feel it isn’t.

[stray yacht]

I was muted for civily continuing to engage with the conversation that the admins/mods were having with me. They chose to mute rather than re engage with me in the correct channel. it was not handled in a mature manner at all.

[zinc jay]

Not to mention this is also not a professional environment. It is is a community discord server servicing an mmo, and a subreddit dedicated to that mmo. So yes it will need different moderation and control than an actual, professional customer support environment.

If you want to help but still make non-related quips you are welcome to help in #beginner-lounge or other channels where those rules are not as strict.

[stray yacht]

Slow mode just means you can't follow up with more rounded out clarifications and resources. It's very much a deterrent in clarifying things thoughtfully.

[simple vine]

You can follow up by packing it into one big message. You can clarify things thoughtfully without racing to be the first to do it.

[zinc jay]

You can. Write more and be more in depth in your responses. Use emote reactions.

[stray yacht]

If you send a message. and decide it needs clarification and resources after the fact. then yes it's a deterrent.

[plucky niche]

you can edit your messages, or am I not understanding here?

[stray yacht]

Emotes are poor ways of clarifying things. And it's actually unhelpful to neurodiverse who have issues contextualizing messages as they are typing. Only to realize it needs clarification after send. It actually deters good habits in communication. And honestly doesn't even fix the issues you claimed it should fix. Like logically if someone wants to make a joke/quip they just do it when slow mode isn't expired lol.

[simple vine]

Slowmode dissuades short choppy and thoughtless responses who are simply trying to be the first to help rather than the most helpful. Discord has plenty of functions to accommodate for this not impacting people who want help out and answer others. A gate on off topic quips and jokes help to prevent the channel being clogged up with unhelpful responses - that’s why they’re discouraged, slow mode is primarily for the former rather than the latter. If your input is unwelcome and you refuse to take your jokes elsewhere you’ll be actioned.

There’s plenty of other channels if you want to joke around.

[vivid raft]

Hello! #questions-and-help is a strictly moderated channel due to issues in the past where people have complained about off-topic things, and people often rushing to answer it for the sake of answering instead of providing a sufficient, in-depth response on the matter, and that has been happening for a long time.

I believe that the slow mode is sufficient in the sense that messages will be coming in slow, being able to edit messages as the person you are responding to sees it. Regarding the matter for #discord-feedback message this, I'll forward it to the team and we'll talk about it. Feel free to send a modmail if you want to communicate this issue further.

[stray yacht]

Honestly I find it difficult to find you guys have any empathy for this situation as i've noticed several of you respond faster than slow mode than those channels. So it seems that it's role based. Which kind of makes it seems like it's not a thing many of you deal with.

[autumn parrot]

#questions-and-help has a long history of issues that have been well documented and experience over the years. The current state of it is based entirely on how the community has been observed to behave. Slowmode is there for a reason. If it wasn't working as intended, it wouldn't be there today. If you struggle to word your responses in a meaningful way, or feel so deterred from the channel simply because of it, then that may be more of an indicator that you don't need to use the channel at the time.

[minor kelp]

Only staff members have slowmode immunity

[autumn parrot]

all regular users are stopped by slowmode

[stray yacht]

choppy responses can still be high quality right answers.

[zinc jay]

non-staff are all subject to slow mode. mentors, mods, and admins are not.

[carmine rivet]

And in past experience, they've usually not been and for the sake of the channel are discouraged

[stray yacht]

Ah so if it helped with answer quality it should be enabled for staff as well so they get the same benefit.

[autumn parrot]

That would be detrimental to moderation actions

[simple vine]

The staff are not the ones who are giving choppy and sometimes inaccurate responses which need to be dissuaded

[minor kelp]

Honestly I do sympathise, my personal writing style would often see me send several succinct messages, but overall in that channel it's proved detrimental

[vivid raft]

Not really saying that it isn't, plenty of questions can be answered in short, concise reponses. But the issue stems from how users are enabled to have unhelpful behavior, without slowmode as already said in several points above

[stray yacht]

How is it proved to be detrimental? Prove is a strong word.

[zinc jay]

As someone who has regularly helped in #questions-and-help for the last year at the least, I can tell you that choppy/short answers are not usually high quality ones and do not sufficiently explain what people need or ask for. The slow mode encourages people to write lengthier answers and contribute meaningful information. Short answers usually result in confusion or conflicting information.

It is antithetical to my typing style as well but I adapted to writing lengthier messages to compensate.

[vivid raft]

I mean, if we're not able to take action on a guy being disruptive (e.g sending NSFW) in chat asap, that'd be pretty bad

[plucky niche]

ditto. i can also just edit my messages if I realise in the next 5 seconds something that needed to be said. chat generally hasn't scrolled far enough

[minor kelp]

People used to race to answer quickly rather than accurately and fully, like a trivia channel rather than a help channel

[carmine rivet]

We often got people reading half of the question, make a quick "xy" answer or pull up a faq, realise they're wrong and rapidly try to fix their answer

[simple vine]

As said this slow mode and no off topic rule has kind of been a thing that’s been proved via trial and error and experimentation after feedback regarding it. So yeah, it’s been proved with experience.

[stray yacht]

I still feel unhelpful behavior can be solved with just moderation. Slowmode does not prevent unhelpful behavior. Like I said, people can just say unhelpful thing when their window is up. I see it happen all the time in there.

[minor kelp]

I think we're becoming cyclical now, thanks for the feedback

[vivid raft]

If unhelpful behavior persists in chat despite constant moderation in there, you know something needs change in the channel.

That's what we did, pretty much

[stray yacht]

Do you have metrics for this or is this just "feeling" cuz you have to moderate less at the cost of answer quality by succinct short message typers?

[plucky niche]

really i think all the discussion that can be had on this has been had

[stray yacht]

also you guys still haven't addressed about muting rather than pinging in appropriate channel to move the conversation to appropriate area.

[surreal shuttle]

As someone who was a moderator at the time the #questions-and-help changes happened, it was after a lot of feedback that the change was made

[minor kelp]

If you wish to discuss specific mentor/moderator actions, please send a #discord-modmail

[vivid raft]

I told you, I already forwarded it with the team, and if you want to pursue the issue further, make a modmail, thank you ;)

[stray yacht]

I don't recall who the mentor/moderator was. Are you able to look that up for me?

[autumn parrot]

Send in a #discord-modmail please

[carmine rivet]

You can use the search function to look up the logs

[stray yacht]

So you don't have logs of moderation actions?

[autumn parrot]

This channel isn't for discussing that

[plucky niche]

of course they do. this is also past the purpose of - yeah. just take it to modmail

[autumn parrot]

I am redirecting you to where you should take this

Your feedback on #questions-and-help has been noted

[minor kelp]

We know exactly what you're talking about, it has been discussed by the team. If you wish to say anything further on the matter #discord-modmail is the place to do it, not here.

[stray yacht]

Can I offer advice then. Collect better metrics and do A/B testing to see if your policies are actually helping. I got a lot of "I feel that it's better" vibe after implementing very frustrating user features which seems off. I'd argue that you should take user experience over moderator experience. and get concrete metrics of engagement because implementing frustrating features to users over something as subjective as answer quality seems like a bad approach in my long experience at running support channels. It's just really odd to see it such tightly moderated channel for a video game. I've spent decades in support channels and it's weird this one is the most locked down. I do feel the need to moderate things such as rambling and off topic discussion. But disallowing one off jokes and quips are overkill, as long as they don't ramble on are aren't bullying. And given it's volunteer answer givers frustrating them with this arbitrary and subjective metric of quality of having them type out longer answers rather than a couple of small succinct answers seems again... overkill for a video game support channel.

[minor kelp]

!mute 131252646328664064 3600

[ancient gale]

Success!

@stray yacht has been muted by @minor kelp for 1 hour!

[minor kelp]

Take a breath my friend

[kind inlet]

Not sure where to ask about this, so I felt I might try asking here: given the recent blackout protest on Reddit and the response to it, it seems like it would be a worthwhile discussion for the community to explore how best to consolidate information about the game in a place that's Not Reddit. Is there a place on the discord where that conversation belongs?

[vestal canopy]

Re: questions. I think the forum format works exceedingly well for it. Questions can be kept on target there and it doesn't feel like an overwhelming wall of moving text. I know it's an experiment, but I hope it stays.

[simple vine]

I also think it’s pretty cool and I wouldn’t mind it coexisting with our current qnh more permanently

[stray yacht]

@minor kelp any reason why you thought muting me from the entire server was necessary after my final thought? Would like to avoid that in the future. Also though, I had another thought why slowmode is detrimental. If there are multiple people asking questions simultaneously slow mode prevents a helper from helping those people. Again this is somethinh staff isn't aware of because they don't have to deal with slowmode.

[ivory moat]

you aren’t using modmail like they told you to

[stray yacht]

How use modmail when muted from the entire server? thank you.

[oak pawn]

channels like modmail are still useable after you have been muted, which you have proven by opening a modmail after you have been muted

[stray yacht]

also the subject of final thought wasn't the thing they were suggesting to use modmail for. It was my feedback on moderation behavior. if that was an error woopsie daisy.

[stray yacht]

I sent that modmail before I was muted as that was a separate incident. But thank you for clarification.

[oak pawn]

you have sent that modmail 4 minutes after you have been muted though?

[stray yacht]

Oh looking at timeline I didn't notice I was muted until quite a few minutes later you are correct. I didn't realize I was sending to modmail while muted.

[gray nexus]

Same it def guarantees people get stuff answered when stuff may become hectic

[cosmic drift]

I'll request you to return to your modmail please! Thank you

[stray yacht]

the q&a #1116899335628668979 are actually better for that as it works as a long term forum if people are concerned about getting their messages seen.

[vivid raft]

A common sentiment from my observations is that people don't really treat discord as a.. nice way of storing information in

[opaque quiver]

I got a strong sealioning impression.

Volunteer staff for a discord channel does not have the time or resources to collect metrics. That's absurd and unreasonable, and highlights how flagrantly out of touch this whole situation has become.

At this point even I, an utterly oblivious person to interpersonal issues, can respond to the matter.

A combination of experimentation and experience has found that slowmode and strict moderation solves the problem that channel was experiencing.

No further explanation should be necessary. Continuing to engage after multiple requests to drop the topic or take it elsewhere is arguing in bad faith.

Not every rule needs a mountain of justification. Not every decision made by the server staff is up for public debate.

And giving out mutes is merited when patient and repeated explanations are plainly not getting through and the user is continuing to stir things up.

[stray yacht]

I was not asked to drop or take it elsewhere. the only thing I was asked to take elsewhere was the complaint about the mod.

[autumn parrot]

Your feedback was regarded and closed more than once. There's no need to continue this discussion any further

[stray yacht]

the accusation of sealioning or bad faith is also not correct. sorry.

[versed mauve]

.

[autumn parrot]

Seriously enough

all of you

[stray yacht]

Again that was for a separate incident which i have taken to #discord-modmail as told. NOT for the feedback about overmoderation of the questions and help channel.

[autumn parrot]

!mute 131252646328664064 1h

[ancient gale]

Success!

@stray yacht has been muted by @autumn parrot for 1 hour!

[autumn parrot]

I said enough

[cosmic drift]

To be brief, #questions-and-help uses a text channel format where anyone can jump in at any time - this is by design, so that people can (in theory) get answers as soon as possible; whether or not those answers are accurate and correct is a separate issue, though our staff (new player mentors, global moderators) has been trained to remove obvious misinformation so people don't get confused.

Discord as a platform made this the easiest avenue for us to provide support for our users that go a bit beyond the capacity of Square-Enix customer support (think game knowledge, mechanics, and so on) - you have correctly identified #1116899335628668979 as a recent extension of our subreddit, of sorts, which will allow for a more individualized experience if people request that.

#questions-and-help is strictly moderated due to the volume of content we have flowing through that channel hourly, and allowing that to be entirely unabated with no form of restriction will result in no one really getting the help they're looking for, and our staff being less able to help when needed. The slowmode allows the staff to be able to better properly screen incoming messages (that still come in at a very high volume, mind you!) for misinformation as well as our other server rules - as others have mentioned above, this should also incentivize users (frustrating though it may feel) to put thought into the questions and answers they post there. There are alternatives if people don't want to use that (#beginner-lounge, #1116899335628668979, etc), but this channel is the most staffed and will have the highest likelihood of a quality response.

Please also do not mistake our "questions and help" channel as a form of in-game support - we are a volunteer community that is neither sponsored nor endorsed by Square-Enix - as such, we have chosen to use a method that we feel best suits our community given the tools available that the Discord platform provides to us. We have neither the bandwidth nor the motivation to iterate on what we provide our community, especially if the feedback leading to those iterations is not well thought out.

I will always appreciate criticism given to help make our community better; I ask that you please understand our reason for making this the way we did, and we understand if you seek other avenues if ours doesn't suit your needs.

[safe charm]

yeah if you wanted to help answer and volunteer, a more casual experience to banter in the midst of a genuine discussion or clarification for a question, beginner lounge is your bet. i hang out there more since #questions-and-help is, by design, more sterile and objective focussed

[plush patio]

Perhaps a bit beyond the scope of this channel, but the reddit blackout has me thinking about what would happen if Discord dies. We have a wreath of information in our FAQs, pins, etc. that I would hate to lose if Discord dissolves at some point. Do the mod/admin here have any contingency plans for the information stored here?

[cosmic drift]

If something like that becomes imminent, we will discuss :)

[stray yacht]

hi @cosmic drift I would like to engage with your thoughtful feedback but currently my feedback is feeling unwelcome.

[stray yacht]

There's actually a lot of places for user contributed ffxiv content as several public wikis are out there. But unfortunately other than ones like gamer escape that automate keeping their content updated, they are sorely kept out of date by the community. If there are resources out there that you think you would sorely miss if discord dropped out. It might be worth quickly dropping that content on one of them wikis or two.

[kind inlet]

To clarify, this was about whether a place on the discord was appropriate for discussing an alternative to REDDIT as an information repository, not attempting to use Discord as such a repository.

[vivid raft]

There's no dedicated space to it at the moment, but do feel free to bring it up in general discussion channels. If you have any suggestions on what can work best in the server as a space for discussion, don't be afraid to put it down here too :D

[cosmic drift]

I wouldn't say unwelcome, but I do think there aren't many new things to add to this specific topic that haven't already been said

[kind inlet]

Some productive discussion on the subject has happened in #archived-lore-spoilers but I will keep the more general discussion channels in mind. ^_^

[stray yacht]

I can think of quite a few things, that haven't been said in regard to your response. Also some ideas as well. But the purpose feedback discussion is you get those ideas and insight that are currently outside your imagination and thought. If you immediately going to shutdown feedback as "everything YOU can think of has been said" that's not very conducive to new ideas and discussion. Not that I am interested in carrying on this conversation anymore. But that sentiment just felt very dismissive.

[cosmic drift]

I am dismissing further conversation about that specific topic at this time, yes. :(

[flat jackal]

I know this may be unrelated but does anyone have a link to the Final Fantasy server? I tried getting in but it says the invite expired.

[violet plinth]

general questions should go in #questions-and-help , but you mean an invite to this server?
if you did, https://discord.gg/ffxiv worked fine when i pasted it in another window?

[flat jackal]

Oh my apologies. I meant the main server. I’m not sure why the link doesn’t work anymore.

[untold sequoia]

This one? https://discord.gg/redditfinalfantasy

[hybrid crown]

What is sealioning? It sounds cute (because sea lions are cute) but I've only heard it in a negative context

[safe mural]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

[untold sequoia]

Its a disingenuous form of arguing that aims to frustrate people whole the sea lion acts like they were trying to have an earnest discussion, so the frustrated person appears in a bad light to outside observers

Also probably should ask in #not-ffxiv-discussion instead next time

[slim bramble]

Kupobot documentation said to use the feedback channel in this server if I needed assistance. This is the only feedback channel I see; am I in the right place?

[azure gate]

I think you wanna go to the kupo server
https://discord.gg/4YGpaWBE

[slim bramble]

Not sure why it linked me to this one xD Thank you!

[cosmic drift]

I'll let the developers know to update to the support discord, thank you!

[azure gate]

Probably not the best place to say bot feedback but maybe edit the command examples? For example when using the !iam command make it maybe an inline example instead of using <server> because people get confused and type their server name in there with the <> too.

[grave orchid]

or maybe include a note that says to exclude the <> if you want to have the <> as separators or indicators or something

[gray nexus]

I was wondering since we have the steamcdkeys command could we add cdkeys as a alternative command? Is this the right place to ask this?

[hoary garden]

iirc 'steamkey' is a valid alternative, if you're looking for something faster to type

[wanton karma]

You can use !faq steamkey to pull it up.

[gray nexus]

Alright that’s good too thank you for the answers you two

[cosmic drift]

I'll forward this to our mentors and we can discuss potential solutions

[ornate pelican]

https://gitlab.com/kupo-bot/KupoBot/-/wikis/How-Do-Command-Arguments-Work%3F

[wooden rivet]

Do we have anything like a party finder here? I feel like that might be helpful if we don't

[violet plinth]

most people use the in-game party finder for the content that applies. here, there's just too many people all over the world

[safe mural]

We have recruitment channels #1039984999157485618 #1039986530783072336 #1041530453057863730

[rancid cloud]

How does one send a modmail or admin ticket in this server?

It's not clear how to get ahold of a mod /admin for anything except to DM them directly.

I checked through the about/rules and the closest thing I could find to a link to a ticket system said no access. so it might need to be updated.

[hallow yacht]

#discord-modmail here

[rancid cloud]

I ended up DMing a mod directly instead for what I needed but yeah no I cant get into that channel

[hallow yacht]

Tap here see if it works

[rancid cloud]

its already checked.

[hallow yacht]

How about here?

[rancid cloud]

not there

[hallow yacht]

Weird... select a data center+country role maybe?

[rancid cloud]

That might be it. Weird that I'm required to have newer roles that werent here or required when I joind years ago. Lemme try that and see if it shows up

edit : Yeah taht was it. I have the channel now. TY for the trouble shooting.

I still think you need to be able to see Modmail without a country/server though. Like, the only reason I needed modmail was cuz a friend got hacked. Otherwise Ive just quietly been in here for years and didnt even know there was new roles.

[ornate pelican]

This would be the case. Before this year you weren’t even able to see the server without roles. We removed that requirement this year.

So you joined and didn’t have access.

Regardless, I fixed #discord-modmail

[hollow owl]

requesting that this be made into an emote

[rich plinth]

or sticker

[azure gate]

And better name it BIG FAT TACOS

[hollow owl]

:rahataco:

[round gull]

:tacocat:

[meager sluice]

i second :tacocat:

[quasi isle]

Can we get a Patch 6.5: Growing Light discussion thread? Or is that just included with the Dawntrail thread?

[timid pilot]

Patch discussion threads generally come when the trailer releases. And it’ll be a separate thread.

[icy cypress]

am i doing something wrong or why isnt it filtering out stuff like lfm ?

[ornate pelican]

Because discord is weird and the filter isn’t an “AND” it’s an “OR”

So you see anything with at least one tag. It’s backwards for sure and I hope they change it one day.

[icy cypress]

thats really dumb and makes it completely useless
uhm have you considered going back to the old system ? until they fix it

[ornate pelican]

Provide the feedback to them I’d love to see it fixed to be an AND logic

[ornate pelican]

It’s a bit more fleshed out on our recruitment discord

https://discord.gg/brNVyKHK

I recommend using this server

[icy cypress]

yeah i'm on it
but didnt know it belonged to this one
fair i'm just going through each ff discord lookign for replacements
have a nice day !

[ornate pelican]

We’re not going to be changing it here because recruitment isn’t the main focus of this discord and it’s a bit bloated.

[whole grove]

Have you guys ever thought about adding a channel for roleplayers? Not like a channel for roleplay, but a place where people can discuss in-game roleplay, communities, maybe point people who are interested in the right direction, things like that?

Because I do see it come up from time to time in #archived-lore-spoilers, but that probably isn't the best place for it.

[minor kelp]

There are several RP related resources linked here #resources message

[whole grove]

Roleplay Finder is a dead link and Hydaelyn Roleplayers shut down almost a year ago.

https://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/topic/25578-the-rpc-is-shutting-down/

Anyway, mostly just asking because my FC is looking for a decent roleplay system to use for FFXIV RP events (think TTRPG systems) and we're tyring to figure out if anyone has maybe already made one. Really have no idea where to ask.

[inland rivet]

There's a couple people that have a system involving rolling dice and all? I usually see a PF offering to teach the system on Crystal

[hollow owl]

requesting a follow up on this request

[hallow yacht]

The issue is that when compressed to emote size, it would be very small and hard to see what the details are

[azure gate]

yeah it's better off as sticker

[cosmic coyote]

Not sure if this already exists, but having an FAQ command that explains what a gear set is and how to make them would be nice to send at new players

[hoary garden]

I will respectfully disagree here. Gear sets are not a terribly difficult thing to explain, and although I like having faq commands available to assist answering questions or topics which are both common and complex, repeatedly turning common topics into faqs removes the human-interaction element from places like Q&H and Beginner's.

[plush patio]

I understand the fear of those channels turning into FAQ bots, but I find it a bit odd to draw the line at gearsets of all things. We have FAQs for a variety of "simple to explain" content like mounts and unsync'ing duty finder content. Should we remove those to bolster human interaction? Rhetorical question of course.

Perhaps instead of artificially constraining what is turned into an FAQ or not, Q&H and Beginner's could have a soft rule on not solely using an FAQ to answer a question unless that FAQ is very directly answering a simple question, such as "when do I get a mount?" Ideally, FAQs help augment answers, not replace them. Even something simple as saying "unsync'ing content can be done by turning the unrestricted party option in the DF settings, see this FAQ for a visual" is more personable than barking "!faq unsync" at people (which for the record, I am also guilty of doing).

[merry ore]

when I do it I usually bolster it with a message either editing my activating the command or before or after the bot message

[timid pilot]

There’s also the fact that Active Help exists and people just, don’t read those.

The “Changing Classes” Active Help does a quick and easy job of explaining what a gearset can do.

[hallow mist]

Why is social interaction even a consideration? Do you actually think the people asking the questions care? They just want a quick answer, either after failed Google searches or not bothering with that to begin with.

If a question is a) asked frequently enough for !faq to be a consideration, and b) Can be easily answered with a bot command message (instead of requiring more nuance), I'd say it's !faq worthy.

[timid pilot]

We don’t want to have faqs for questions that could easily be answered in a few sentences as we already have a monstrous amount of faqs and want to avoid bloat.

[hoary garden]

Speaking of, actually, do the Kupo FAQ people ever go through and curate commands, specifically to pull out/retire ones that maybe aren't frequently asked any longer?

[half vigil]

No because the Kupo FAQ people is a mishmash of The Balance' Mentors, our Mentors, and and whoever else had access (i think Fey's Temperance had some people too)

[timid pilot]

I think Akh Morning does, or did at some point

[hoary garden]

Yeah, I figured that, which is why I kept putting off commenting on it, but I was searching for something the other day and ran across entries for, like .... every floor of Eden Savage for Dragoon?

[timid pilot]

I’ll bring that up in mod channels, for faqs like that we sometimes do condense them into a singular faq and use the alias system to keep the old names.

[hoary garden]

I figure it was for fight-specific alignment timings and stuff, but that was an entire expansion ago and the kit is due for a rework very soon, so ... I dunno if stuff like that still serves the same purpose, or if they're updated as kits change.

[timid pilot]

But yeah, a big reason why we don’t do a big overhaul is that we’re not the only ones who manage the faqs

[hoary garden]

But that's also a single example, not an exhaustive list by any means. And of course I'm not privy to mentor talk in servers, nor do I know why various ones have been added, so.

[ornate pelican]

If you have issues with old DRG faqs your best bet would be to bring it up with the dragoon mentors in the balance

[whole grove]

So I've always wondered... Why is it that the laughing emoji in this Discord is Tidus crying over Jecht's death instead of when he's laughing with Yuna?

[gray nexus]

Probably because it’s also a meme

[whole grove]

I thought the meme was when Tidus was laughing like a weird-ass wooden puppet.

Not this moment here (time stamped for your convenience) :
https://youtu.be/R5V5eUEXsH8?t=80

[eager stone]

Think it was based on this wallpaper image

[whole grove]

Ye, I think that's taken from that scene. Definitely from a pre-rendered cutscene, at the very least. The laughing scene used the in-game engine.

[hoary garden]

Would it be possible to add an explanation for cDPS to the faq rdps command since that's now a main statistic on FFlogs?

[safe mural]

That’s a balance faq I believe, so you should ask them

[hoary garden]

Roger

[stiff linden]

persuasion

[opal fossil]

copy/pasting my question from #beginner-lounge, regarding the channel description

[hallow yacht]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't "are" for plural and "is" for singular? topics is a plural term

[opal fossil]

Ah, but "of story topics" is a prepositional phrase, and thus considered "excess information" to the sentence. The way to process it grammatically would be to act as though it is not there, which would leave us with

Discussion of story topics are prohibited here.
Discussion are prohibited here.
Seeing it like this, I'm sure you can see why it's incorrect.

[hoary garden]

Yes but the actual subject is "discussion", which is a general term and therefore treated as singular. The "of story topics" is an appositive phrase and therefore is not used to determine singular/plural since it is not crucial to the sentence.

Discussion is prohibited.
Discussion [of story topics] is prohibited [here].

[opal fossil]

You can view the prepositional phrase as a trailing adjective as well, giving the type of discussion - a discussion of story topics. Since the verb would be tied to the noun, not its adjectives, making "Discussion" plural or the instance of the "to be" infinitive singular would fix it.

[deft sorrel]

We'll get it fixed, but talk about a discussion that really didn't need to be a discussion...

[rich solar]

\o there

hello there

[minor kelp]

Hi, this isn't a chat channel, please enjoy such communication delights as #general-discussion or #not-ffxiv-discussion among many others. Thanks!

[round gull]

Can we get this as a sticker/emote? He looks funny and squish and he

Source: eorzea cafe https://x.com/eorzeacafeffxiv/status/1694542543982137597?s=46&t=dSWcL-dyUwSHXBt7MF0n_g

[grave orchid]

I want the zoomed in/cropped version

[charred arrow]

We might want a "How to farm moogle tomestones" command.

Also faq for house prices and "which grand company do I choose" could be nice. Maybe with a link to the glams.

[umbral fog]

we already have a grand company faq, !faq grandcompany

[charred arrow]

So we do huh.

[half vigil]

we have !faq housing as well and that shows plot pricing and everything

[tired vessel]

GPose spot for Moonfire Faire was not posted about in this discord at all, nor was it posted on lodestone, players missed out on gpose spot, suggest Dev Blog announcements should be linked in FFXIV discord alongside lodestone announcements in the future in order to provide a clear picture of what is included in updates but isn't explicitly stated on lodestone at all. New side quests were similarly added to the new Rising Event but were not posted to this discord either and I had to find out from the subreddit that they were added.

[timid pilot]

While I do think Kupo should post Dev Blog stuff to #lodestone-news-na or another channel, I’m not sure if he’s able to track new posts being made.

[zinc jay]

Also not to mention that this is not an official discord server. It is not affiliated with SQenix. The extra quests added with the rising are mentioned in the lodestone post.

[zinc jay]

Don't DM me to argue.

[teal marten]

is it rlly not possible to set spacebar to jump AND to continue the dialogue with a npc

[minor kelp]

Hi, this channel is for feedback regarding the discord server, please try #questions-and-help

[inland breach]

Could we get a general vc chat

[vestal osprey]

#announcements message

[violet plinth]

#beginner-lounge message
this kupo faq should probably get updated, the 2-seater bike with alpha in the other seat also has the speed upgrade natively

[opal fossil]

It may be valuable to put out a brief PSA regarding the potential of phishing links from spam bots joining the server (if they do) as Discord has re-enabled the markdown link formatting.

A brief example to show what I mean:

<http://www.google.com/> vs [www.google.com](<http://www.bing.com>)
displays as
http://www.google.com/ vs www.google.com

When you hover over each link, the URL listed in the text is shown but also the actual link that it redirects to - for example, the second link redirects to Bing, but is listed in the text as Google.

Additionally, comments can be added within this Markdown formatting, but it will still always display the link correctly, just as a normal link would.

[www.google.com](<http://www.bing.com> 'I like turtles')
displays as (hover over with cursor to see effect)
www.google.com

A decent tell is for the display link to not include http:// or https://, but even that isn't perfect, the system breaks when you add it directly to the display, but you can just add a space and it "works" just fine.

[http://www.google.com](<http://www.bing.com>) vs [http ://www.google.com](<http://www.bing.com>)
displays as
http://www.google.com vs http ://www.google.com
(the first one lacks the space, the second one has a space)

Not everyone on the internet is the most literate, and some will just blindly click links. Giving at least some sort of warning or guidance for how to be safe on the internet may be prevalent (especially since a lot of FF players just flat out don't read, but maybe they'll at least read this).

[zinc jay]

Discord gives a big warning when you click it and shows the actual link its going to.

[opal fossil]

I know, but people don't read those either

Idk, I just felt it may be valuable to put here, just in case.

[cosmic drift]

See #announcements, thank you

[opal fossil]

Thank you as well

[waxen root]

done

[misty temple]

tbh i think a lot of the big mod divide going on in #ffxiv-screenshots stems from heavily modded characters seemingly receiving more attention via reactions, and people who use few or no mods, whether of their own volition or not, often feel like their posts go largely ignored (i'll admit i'm guilty of feeling this way)

so maybe one remedy could be to just fully disable message reactions in that channel only, that way you get rid of the sense of "likes being farmed" and make the channel purely about sharing posts instead of interaction farming

[azure gate]

Also be more stricter on conversation in the channel or perhaps create a discussion channel for it so people can discuss things or compliment each other.

[autumn parrot]

#glamour-discussion already exists for outfit focused pictures people may want to talk about and the ffxiv discussion channels are open spaces to talk about other types of screenshots

[minor kelp]

That channel is fine, there's no like farming because no tally is kept. People are entitled to like or dislike modified pics. This is a mountain out of a molehill situation. As long as the content is appropriate just enjoy the channel.

[misty temple]

that's precisely the problem though, people aren't enjoying the channel because there's a clear disparity in attention and praise going around, and the no tally thing is just straight up not true because you can clearly see how many reacts people get and who's getting more or less

even if you personally don't think it's a problem, the fact remains that there's a pretty vocal portion of the community that thinks it is, and removing reactions altogether helps to mitigate that sense of "not being paid attention to" just because you aren't using as many mods as the next guy

fwiw it's similar to the reason why instagram removed likes from their platform, because people got too obsessed about like count instead of actually sharing content they wanted to show other people (yes i know likes != reactions because people can react multiple times but they're still both pretty visible ways of quantifying the attention someone's getting)

[zinc jay]

With all due respect I saw one user complaining about it. I don't really see how it's the responsibility of the mods here to remove reacts if people have an unhealthy perception of them.

It also seems as though the reality is that the issue lies with modded content being allowed at all - and removing reacts wouldn't really change that. But I'd doubt that modded content is going anywhere.

[sage heath]

I'm unsure on what constitutes a disparity in attention or praise. Nobody is entitled to either, nor is it a tangible reward for any metric in there beyond someone liking a picture or enjoying a friend's posts. Removing reactions doesn't do anything because it's not even a problem in the first place.

On the subject of modded screenshots, I don't particularly mind them either. For some people, visual modifications extend the time they play the game or represent a large reason as to why they enjoy it in the first place. So long as it doesn't cross over into anything NSFW or out of line, most things are fine to post. While I personally find it funny when a person's character looks like an IMVU character model from when I was a kid, it doesn't offend me that someone enjoys it.

The channel isn't a competition and there's no currency or awards being handed out unless otherwise stated, which would typically be tied to a competition with a set of rules. There's no stakes to which your efforts should feel invalidated by.

[misty temple]

i think you guys are too caught up with the idea that a tangible reward is the only sense of possible gratification people can get from posting screenshots, which i can understand since all the server screenshot contests require not using mods to even the playing field, but you're overlooking the idea that attention can be a reward in and of itself, and how the idea of attention can be conveyed through reactions.

why does anyone share things to any social media? because they want others to see it -- they want attention and influence, and often praise. while that can translate to monetary gain on other platforms these days, it's still been a thing way before the advent of influencers. of course no one's entitled to receiving attention, but it can be very discouraging to join a community, especially one that's known for its inclusiveness and friendliness, and still feel ignored.

i know the division of mods vs. no mods isn't an issue that's easily solved, but i think it correlates to (if not stems from) the attention that heavily-modded content seems to get compared to lesser-modded content. the channel might not seem like a competition for attention to you, but not recognizing how it can be for some people is a pretty big misunderstanding about how many forms of social media operate.

i really encourage you to compare the oldest posts in the channel with recent ones and try to consider what role reactions are playing in the channel now, from the perspective of someone who wants to post to the channel, instead of outright dismissing it as a nonissue. we can celebrate both modded and unmodded characters and screenshots, but we shouldn't let anyone feel excluded because they feel like they're not getting as much attention via reactions as other people.

anyways that's a lot of words that will probably just get ignored because moderators are pretty adamant that it's not a problem even though they don't post there very often. ✌️

[ornate pelican]

If you're posting a picture expecting praise I really don't know what to tell you. I don't see any need for a policy change.

[vivid raft]

while we don't encourage obsessive behavior over whoever and how many people react to your screenshot, its not an issue we can handle for everyone

frankly if somebody is too obsessed with engagement, there's not much we can really do about that

removing reactions is probably gonna feed more into that issue

[cosmic drift]

I think having reactions enabled provides an engagement tool for our users to easily interact with, and I don't see the value added by removing that function (it doesn't cost us anything to allow people to thumbsup glamour shots, for example).

#ffxiv-screenshots is for all spoiler-free in-game screenshots regardless of whether or not others react to it.

The only people not allowed to post images to the channel are muted users. By default, no one is excluded from posting to most of our channels - Discord requires us to have things set up this way.

All this being said, I personally do my best to ensure that all feedback in here is taken seriously and when applicable, discussion is held about it. Please don't feel like we're ignoring you when you submit criticisms or suggestions - I hope you understand our position on the matter, and if there's anything I can do to clarify further, please let me know.

[pearl halo]

It's not really an engagement tool. If you check the actual reacts on images you realize it's just the same people reacting to each other over and over again and it's the same thing in a few adjascent discords too.
I understand wanting reacts because it feels like your work is seen, but in places like these, people aren't getting those reacts based on their quality, it's about who they know, and whether or not that warrants a policy change is questionable.
It's really not worth stressing over whether or not people like your work based on reacts because ultimately, unlike most discords, that's not what's going on here and a few others that I checked.
So I think honestly it's better to just leave it alone.

[plush patio]

Can this server be added to #resources ? Currently we only have NA Eureka/Bozja discord links.

https://discord.gg/eurekanacademy

[nimble dock]

Hey! anyone here please help related to ffXIV arms dataset

[pearl halo]

There's a scammer in this server

[hallow yacht]

About the screenshots topic, a good way to go about it would be to separate the channel like #952328891584872488, into modded-screenshots and vanilla-screenshots... but then thats more channel bloat

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for angel690795_10811#0

@timid raven has been banned by dihn#0 for the following reason:

Scammer.

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[modern jacinth]

Got them.

[cosmic drift]

#ffxiv-screenshots allows all screenshots regardless of 3rd party tools used (as long as server rules are followed).

[hybrid crown]

Is there any way to send images in modmail? I got an unsolicited probably-scammy DM where my only mutual server is this, and wanted to make a modmail but that would suck if I literally can't send my evidence

Any advice?

Oh hang on someone literally just sent one here I scrolled up, and that seemed to be fine, so here's my encounter.

This could be a scam, could be legit, but either way I'm assuming you didn't partner with them so they could advertise through your members

[hallow yacht]

You can send screenshots via modmail, yes

[hybrid crown]

How? It forces me to reply using a text command (/modmail reply <number>), and I don't see how you can use a text command and input an image in the literal same message as an argument to the command but maybe I'm being dumb

[autumn parrot]

You can just paste it in like with any other message

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for sandragreenvmo_32955#0

@modern crypt has been banned by 01010011011010000111010101100101#0 for the following reason:

scammer

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[slim crater]

sorry if this isnt the place to ask, i was directed here from #questions-and-help , but is there a reason why kupo bot hasnt posted anything in #lodestone-news-na recently? example being the patch site just got updated last night but not a word from the bot about it despite there being a lodestone post

[cosmic drift]

No worries, thanks for bringing this up. Our bot developers are aware of the issue and are working on a fix.

[ornate pelican]

Oh I think we forgot to re-enable it once @stone aurora fixed it

It’s good to turn on?

[stone aurora]

It should be turned on.

Apparently, he failed to properly resync when the server moves cleaned up, he's been resynced, might be a bit messy though thanks to how bad square is at keeping ID's in sync.

[elder pollen]

I think something about the kupo bot auto reminder in #questions-and-help got messed up. The channels and role links aren't showing up:

[autumn parrot]

It's potentially on your end as it looks fine for me

[autumn parrot]

Definitely a discord hiccup on your end

[elder pollen]

Weird, sorry for the false alarm

[wary crater]

Unknown links, has been a problem when linking forum posts since they implemented forums in Discord.
it would usually "fix" itself client side, if you click the link, but would randomly stop displaying properly again.
though this would be the first time ive seen it happen for regular chat channels.

[opal fossil]

relevant to something that came up in #beginner-lounge and was moved to #endgame-lounge: could cDPS be added to !faq rDPS? (screenshot from https://articles.fflogs.com/help/a-guide-to-r-dps-n-dps-a-dps-and-c-dps)

[untold sequoia]

I believe that FAQ is managed by the Balance Mentors so you should also make the suggestion to them

[opal fossil]

ooh, I see, will redirect that now. thanks!

[opal fossil]

submitted, ty again

[bold lava]

Hi, just wanted to inform that in #resources under tracking & collecting, the "100% completion checklist" gdrive link doesn't work cuz the file"no longer exists". In case you guys werent alrdy aware and wanna fix or remove it?

[summer furnace]

Has adding the word "groomer" to the automod filter ever been considered ? If not I think its worth sparing a thought, theres a certain emote that refers to that one male aura player stereotype, and while i'm sure it's meant in jest, i'd imagine someone without context would be (understandably) offended, that being said I do get that adding a word to the filter to block out just one emote might be a bit much

[minor kelp]

Team are discussing it 👍

[plush patio]

While this channel has some activity, I'd like to very nicely bump this request and ask if there's any update on it. #discord-feedback message

[minor kelp]

Admins manage #resources so I'll annoy them for you <@&678028388534976545> when you're free please

[cosmic drift]

this has been removed - it appears the sheet hasn't been updated in a while. Thank you!

[zinc jay]

kupo doesnt know about the maint again

[stone aurora]

I was just logging in to fix his brain. 😄

The maint spamming may now continue now that his brain has been updated.

[zinc jay]

bless u

[cosmic drift]

This has been added, thank you!

[plush patio]

oh gosh sorry totally forgot to submit a modmail yesterday, thank you for adding it anyways

[versed mauve]

new image for the FAQ if it hasn't been changed yet

[safe mural]

Thanks for remembering, it's changed now

[zinc jay]

can the slow mode in #1134533110197932195 be removed when there's not a fanfest?

[cosmic drift]

Will reduce it for now

remind us in a couple of weeks or so to check the vibe and see if it can be fully removed

[kind inlet]

I'd like to advocate for #1161031547634327572 's channel title to include "ALL EXPANSION SPOILERS". I recognize it's already in the channel description, but I think having "spoilers" in the title will help to more clearly communicate what the channel is for. It also would maintain consistency with #archived-lore-spoilers as a channel identity. I also recognize that "General Lore DIscussion ALL EXPANSION SPOILERS" is a burdensome title, but I feel like being as explicit as possible is necessary given the context.

[cosmic drift]

While I think it goes without saying that any kind of lore or story discussion will imply spoilers of some sort, I'll loop the <@&587224778088120331>s into this to provide their opinion since they uniquely and directly manage that forum.

I personally think the current name fits well enough.

[safe mural]

You already have to see the thread description when you click on #1161031547634327572 like so:

I guess it could be foolproofed by adding more caps:

Discussion for FFXIV lore. Contains SPOILERS for ALL of FFXIV etc

[restive lintel]

Right, but it’s only present clicking on the thread from the lore discussion landing, if someone gets to the thread being linked elsewhere on the server, it’s easy to miss that warning.

At least on mobile, that header is only visible at the very beginning of the thread

Editing bc mentors aren’t immune here

[safe mural]

That's true. #General Lore & Spoilers might work better, and isn't any longer than the current title

[cosmic drift]

Do these changes make it appear more warning-like?

[kind inlet]

Yes. I think this does exactly what I hoped. My thanks to you and the lore mentors for the quick response.

[charred arrow]

Small note for lore resources, Tales of the Storm has spoilers up to 4.1 not just 4.0.

[safe mural]

Oh you're right

SE lied

[kind inlet]

Additional note: would it be possible to update Kupo Bot's friendly reminder to indicate the present situation in #archived-lore-spoilers ? Because right now that reminder is conflicting with the intended behavior.

[cosmic drift]

We're looking at migrating the message over to the new home

[charred arrow]

All of the following servers are in #resources but have invalid or expired invites.

Adamantoise Alliance, Primal FFXIV, Icon Primal, Primal BA/Bozja, Party Finder Nightmares, Crystal Data Center, Crystal Eureka/Bozja, Dynamis Hunts, Chaos and Light, FFXIV Europe.

[onyx shale]

Afaik dynamis moved their hunt coordination back to faloop discord, so yeah that discord is dead

[autumn parrot]

@cosmic drift hi I'm bothering you for this

[cosmic drift]

Thank you! I'll get these taken care of when I'm back from the office.

[zinc jay]

locking #1161033384080977960 has made it not appear in my followed threads anymore :/ could yall just unlock it and bump it occasionally? it's more convenient if it actually shows up there

[untold sequoia]

How old is the second account?

[kind inlet]

Does kupobot not work in threads? #952271874178580492 message

[untold sequoia]

It was just being slow

[autumn parrot]

It was actually just literally made to work

[kind inlet]

so there WAS something wrong?

[stone aurora]

Sort-of-ish, Kupo needed some upgrades to fully support forum threads, and I was doing something unrelated, and it pugraded that along the way.

[zinc jay]

could the age restriction for #952271392424992838 maybe be removed? since its all in threads now it feels like there’s a decent enough amount of spoiler warning clicking into them

[cosmic drift]

I've roped the lore mentors into this discussion to get their input

[zinc jay]

kk. not that its a problem if it stays but i do think it kind of unfairly keeps underage people (who are honest about their age) out of a place where they can react to msq and ask questions

[misty temple]

general lore/spoilers should be moved back into its own channel instead of being a lore-discussion thread because

• more of a discord issue but searching through threads sucks because you can only search through the entire thread topic; suppose you wanted to search for general info about a specific character in an earlier expansion to see what people think about them etc., not knowing that the character dies in a later expansion, but since spoiler tags aren't enforced in the general lore thread, you'd get instantly spoiled on major character events from there. this is a problem across all threads since spoiler tags are only enforced for content in the current expansion but having general lore there makes it that much easier to get spoiled on all events throughout the story rather than ones specific to an expansion (e.g. searching ||haurchefant or papalymo|| in:#952271392424992838)
• you can't see the initial post in the thread unless you scroll alllll the way up, and the thread overview truncates the message for it to the point where it means nothing (see image; could be remedied by a pinned message, but it was better as channel info because you could see it at the top of the window all the time)

i'm aware that the move to a thread was so people just looking for some specific info in the relevant expansion wouldn't get spoiled on something more significant but i feel like this fix is more troublesome and risky than just changing the name of lore-spoilers to like "all-story-spoilers" or something

other qualms with the threads unrelated to lore spoilers

• the "rules of this section" thread should be pinned because it's at the bottom of the thread list to where most people won't see it
• the description in "post guidelines" should be moved to the "rules of this section" thread (or even each thread's initial post) because people not being able to post new threads means most won't click on the guidelines since it's irrelevant to them

[safe mural]

For the first point, we already don't enforce spoilers for previous expansions in the expansion threads (e.g. in #952271956479201380 users discuss Heavensward spoilers untagged, since it's assumed you've beaten HW by virtue of being in the SB thread). So with or without the inclusion of #1161031547634327572, someone searching for ||Haurchefant|| could still get spoiled.

I don't think that's something very likely to happen, anyway. For users who want to avoid spoilers, to some extent it's on them to not search for things. Wikis and Youtube are a lot more dangerous in that regard.

We'll take a look at making the rules and descriptions more accessible.

[zinc jay]

my biggest complaint is that #1161033384080977960 being locked/inactive means it doesnt show up under the forum channel when you follow it - not sure if this is just a Discord thing or not but it worked fine on the day it was added

[safe mural]

I'll be honest I don't know what's going on there

[zinc jay]

i think its this, the locked channel thing. but i dunno because discord hates making functional features

[safe mural]

Does it pop up when I add a message in there?

[zinc jay]

yes - is the timed archiving setting turned on for it?

[safe mural]

Those settings are above my pay grade, so we're looking into it.

[safe mural]

It looks like Discord maxes that out at 1 week for forum threads 😔

[zinc jay]

can yall bump it occasionally so it doesnt poof

[opal fossil]

Would it potentially be valuable to have Dawntrail's system requirements available as a FAQ for those who intend to get a system upgrade before release and would like to have the necessary specs on hand?

Maybe call the tag dtreq or something, I dunno.

[untold sequoia]

!faq systemrequirements

[ancient gale]

Dawntrail System Requirements

[untold sequoia]

Added

sysreq also works

[opal fossil]

Nice. Thanks!

[rose haven]

Let this be an emote

[half vigil]

:fatcatteapog:

[untold sequoia]

Are you the original artist?

We'll need permission first before we can use it

[timid pilot]

I think it’s just a picture of a new product they released? Unless that image is edited

[untold sequoia]

Oh

I am very sleep deprived

[dense geyser]

https://store.jp.square-enix.com/item/MWFF140695.html

[half vigil]

its definitely slightly morphed

[azure gate]

maybe if we could get it with transparent background, we could use it as a sticker, we sorely lack stickers on this server

[ornate pelican]

Needs more jpeg pixelization

[vocal swan]

#lodestone-news-na messagenot sure if it’s on purpose or not, but there’s no link to the patch notes

Ignore the embed. Discord is being silly

[autumn parrot]

Impala would probably have to tell you why but the "News update!" thing is also always a link

[waxen root]

click this bit, the link is embedded in the title

[vocal swan]

I see. Must be an iPhone issue then. Appreciate the response!

[waxen root]

I can still click it on android, I know Apple devices and be picky with taps though.

[ornate pelican]

Probably a bug with the title. I wouldn’t be shocked if it was discords fault

[timid pilot]

Yeah you can’t click embeds like that for mobile, or at least I can’t on IOS

[opal fossil]

Noticed this from a usage in #beginner-lounge - "Has" should not be capitalized here in the embed. Minor issue, but it stood out to me

[round gull]

What happened to #wholesome chat

[cosmic drift]

Same fate as #music-n-video - a lot of off-topic posts going on in there constantly, along with slimming down the sidebar.

Anyone is welcome to make a thread for it in #1132840472293941304 if they'd like.

[half vigil]

Hey this is our channel for feedback regarding the discord server itself! May I encourage you to stop by our #beginner-lounge or #questions-and-help channels for more in-game related assistance? There are plenty of members who are experienced and willing to give that sort of advice :^)

[grand moat]

omg sorry I thought I did post this in beginner lounge, idk how I made that mistake, I'll repost there now 😂

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for trainiscool2376

@silk estuary has been banned by meara for the following reason:

troll

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[jagged egret]

<@&100464652139368448>

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for rageragaki8799

@zinc crescent has been banned by exdeus15 for the following reason:

bot

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[vivid raft]

lmfao

[zinc crescent]

Guys, I'm a bot. Rip me I guess lmao

[minor kelp]

I did not set you up, I swear, lol

[zinc crescent]

lol it's fine.

The actual bot suggestion I posted here was NQN. https://nqn.blue Again, if an admin or mod would like a demonstration of its use I am more than willing to provide one in a private server, as well as assist with setup.

Please don't ban me again, I'm not a bot

[untold sequoia]

I don't see us using this bot, sorry

[zinc crescent]

aww, ok.

[zinc crescent]

[timid pilot]

#about-this-server still makes references to the archived lore channel and an outdated patch thread. It also tells people to use a no longer existing channel to share livestream links.

[cosmic drift]

Thanks! This is definitely on our radar to tackle updating.

[zinc crescent]

A nitro booster channel that every member of the server can see, but non boosters can't interact with. Doing this would give a sense of exclusivity to boosters and may encourage non boosters to boost.

[carmine rivet]

There is already a booster channel, its just not visible for non-booster. Making it visible but not interactable kinda takes the privacy of it away

[zinc crescent]

Then what about making it visible, but removing "read channel history" permission from non boosters?

[gray nexus]

its fine the way it is i believe it needs no adjustments the channel does not give people to urge to boost

[untold sequoia]

The current supporter channel is fine as it is

We also don't exactly need people to boost

[hoary garden]

So, the exclusivity already exists because the channel exists. The rest of the concept seems to be "what if we show people a thing they can't have but could if they paid us", which is a real predatory lens through which to view a social center.

[timid pilot]

It’s just filled with ducks, also

[ornate pelican]

I mean you're not wrong

[timid pilot]

The real content people are missing out on, tbh

[hoary garden]

Look at you people, with all your ducks in a row

[neon echo]

Something something eggs in one basket?

[iron forge]

Who do we report users to here? Got a “I sell artworks” bot dmming me scam links from this server.

[untold sequoia]

#discord-modmail

Just include screenshots of the messages as well as their user id

[dire grove]

The Chaos & Light discord link in #resources is expired

[zinc crescent]

Please add this emoji to the server

[untold sequoia]

No thank you

[cosmic drift]

Thanks for letting us know, do you have a new link?

[dire grove]

Sadly, no

[cosmic drift]

These have been fixed, thanks again for bringing it up

[violet hearth]

Is there an channel that we could use help especially mending matria if one doesn’t know how to do so or lacks the interest with the hand classes

[grave orchid]

there are materia melder NPCs for those who dont have the DOH jobs levelled
there's also the #doh-dol-lounge but i dont think its used for asking for melding help

[violet hearth]

i see but sadly i don't have access to that chanel

[grave orchid]

you need to get the doh/dol role first

[violet hearth]

Got the role now thanks for the assist

[azure gate]

This isn't the channel for any of that

[charred remnant]

My bad

[opal fossil]

I know moderation has gotten more and more strict especially recently, but I am firmly of the camp that if something is said that even a new player will recognize in #beginner-lounge, and it is a spoiler to a story plot point, it should be an immediate mute - no second chances. It makes me sad seeing all these names of characters that people will likely recognize early on just being randomly dropped in chat.

Context is one thing - nobody is really going to recognize what ||Il Mheg|| is without even starting Shadowbringers, or the name ||Zenos|| without starting Stormblood, but name dropping something like ||Zodiark (the long-time big bad that we hear about since ARR)|| or ||Thavnair, a common trading hub across the seas for many merchants in Eorzea,|| is just... not right.

Despite the increased moderation action, it feels like still no small number of people have missed this out-of-the-way pinned message [#beginner-lounge message] in #beginner-lounge. Would it benefit the server as a whole to make a more vocal announcement in #announcements?

[zinc jay]

I do agree with this - one potential solution that might help is to add the explicit no story discussion notice to the kupo bot message. Maybe with an added point that refers to #952271392424992838 for expansion-specific discussion of story content.

I do think that story spoilers ought to be enforced more harshly there with mutes, though maybe some sort of word filter specifically for that channel may be more effective and reduce the need for constant attention from mentors/mods.

[vivid raft]

There have been announcements made in regards to being mindful of spoilers, nothing much concrete can be done on our part, as the rest lies with the responsibility with the user to be more mindful of what they post in a chat dedicated for beginners.

In regards to grey areas, there's been no changes in the rules, we're just enforcing it a lot more seeing the current state of #beginner-lounge. As a result, we're being more strict about things that depict foreshadowing and/or no-context spoilers that obviously show importance to some characters/areas which new players intuitively think will be playing proactive roles in the story

[zinc jay]

I'm guessing the grey areas that Gimme is referring to are the repeated issues with endgame discussion being present in #beginner-lounge, but I won't speak for them on that.

[vivid raft]

Yep, we know that's a constant issue, so we're also being more strict on that too. Feel free to ping any of the mods, or make a #discord-modmail if we aren't there and you believe the situation calls for it

[minor kelp]

Multiple mutes, warnings and even strikes have been given out for lounge spoilers recently, do please report any other instances and they'll be dealt with.

[vivid raft]

I've made another pin listing specific things that should not be discussed in the channel based on our observations of recent issues. Hope that somewhat helps^^

[opal fossil]

Thank you for the discussion you three - greatly appreciated.

[normal tinsel]

I wanted to chime in as a new player mentor, as I do feel partially responsible for the channel’s well being, and say that we have been thoroughly discussing this behind the scenes. Several of the NPMs, mods, admins, and myself have been trying to figure out a solution to these issues and the end game discussion. I know the other two have responded and said that we’re trying to be more strict, but I still wanted to add reassurance that it has been on all of our minds as well.

[thorny lantern]

[merry ore]

Not to besmirch any further conversation but that second region, even without like, saying we go there, has a looooooooooooot of references in non-story context from a job, to clothes, to food and etc.
now saying we go there can be a spoiler, yes, but you can’t outright not discuss it in certain contexts

[opal fossil]

That's what I was referring to - going there. It's brought up in so many ways throughout the game, so denying its existence is just inherently incorrect, but actually going there is the spoiler.

[cosmic drift]

The philosophy behind #beginner-lounge is that it's the only channel in the entire server that's entirely insulated from the main story quest. I wanted to provide a space not unlike the in-game novice network for people to hang out in and for sprouts to ask questions without the risk of getting spoiled on later story elements like they might in #general-discussion.

The reason you're seeing moderation get more strict in there is because I'm course correcting and instructing my team to enforce no story discussion and to otherwise keep beginner lounge a safe space.

That said, there is an understanding that broad strokes story acknowledgement like world building, set pieces and so on are fine - but if it directly relates to any main story or prominent side story quest, it is not permitted in #beginner-lounge.

Hopefully that makes sense.

[opal fossil]

I think we're both in agreement here, to note. I'm grateful for the increase in moderation.

My initial statement simply asked for something more prominently noticeable to be stated. Originally, it was just one non-pinging line of text from Eanae that was pinned and quickly forgotten, and I've seen some (not many, admittedly) non-regulars come into the channel and drop spoilers whether it be intentional or not. Another message was added last night, but I'm concerned it, too, will be forgotten.

The idea Sitri mentioned with adjusting the @ancient gale message may be helpful to keep it fresh on people's minds, because not everyone will check the pins or channel description (we are ffxiv players, so we cannot read.. or something).

[minor kelp]

Let's be real, people just ignore those kupo messages and just use it as an opportunity to reply with a funny gif

[opal fossil]

Unfortunately you're right, at least for a few people. I think the kupo bot message is at least more of an in-your-face and hard to miss heads up of potential repercussions, as some might consider a pinned message or channel description to be out of the way (especially if a channel description is cropped, depending on screen size).

Just to use this channel as an example on my laptop

[minor kelp]

I'm not against it, it wouldn't hurt, just sceptical about it having any real impact

[zinc jay]

Ignored or not that restatement of the rules should absolutely be in the kupo bot message. If not for regulars but for the new, recently joined users so they can recognize such talk is not allowed. It should not just be in the pins which are easy to ignore.

[cosmic drift]

In all fairness, like River mentioned, it's up to the user to check the pins and read the rules.

A line was added to the automated reminder, though, so hopefully that will help curb story discussion as well.

[opal fossil]

I appreciate it, thank you

Just like in anything in this game, people tend to ignore personal responsibility, so making it more obvious to chatters is beneficial in the long run, even if it seems more forceful.

[rich dust]

was wondering if we might get any of the fanfest pins as stickers/emotes? or would we get in trouble for that

[untold sequoia]

Are they made by SE or an unofficial artist?

[shy kiln]

the emet one is from the LINE emote pack
....same as all of them

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/yrerkx/official_line_stickers_for_endwalker/

[rich dust]

not sure; i would assume since it's on SE's website as "merch you can buy at fanfest" it's theirs but i have no way of actually knowing

[violet plinth]

pretty sure all of them are line emotes. so i assume they're Official™️

[charred arrow]

They look like the same style as the emotes on the companion app which are used here.

[crisp fractal]

is there a place to post fan builds ie cosplay things one has made ect ect?

[timid pilot]

I’d personally say #art , but I’ll let any mods comment if otherwise not.

[oak pawn]

yeah #art fits for that

as long as it doesn't break any other rules we have ofc

[hollow owl]

what's the best way for us to give advice for the further dungeons in beginner lounge? a certain dungeon that comes to mind that has legitimately difficult mechanics and has story significance would be ||the aetherochemical research facility||. if a sprout were to name drop the dungeon trying to ask for help because the dungeon is so hard, would it need to be taken into DMs or some other way to prevent spoilers? im asking because I don't want to trip on the mods toes while trying to help a sprout with understanding the fights while avoiding spoilers

[umbral fog]

I think personally it'd be fine to help out with mechanics and such, just like avoid using the boss names and use 2nd/final boss, etc instead to help out. ARF's name really isnt a spoiler tbh. out of context, there's nothing to it that would really clue anyone in on what is spoilery about it

[violet plinth]

you could also point them to #952271392424992838 and the HW thread

[untold sequoia]

You can also just use the dungeon level to discuss it

[woven inlet]

Does the server ever have Christmas version ?

[timid pilot]

If you mean a server icon + banner, we’re working on a new one, yes

[half vigil]

That particular example has a commonly used abbreviation anyways

[charred arrow]

Chrimsas live.

[vestal osprey]

@untold sequoia

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for johnson0283

@ripe cliff has been banned by meara for the following reason:

Scammer

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[untold sequoia]

[broken dragon]

Was the Wholesome channel removed? I don't seem to see it no matter what I do to settings, but it is still mentioned by name in the rules.

[oak pawn]

yeah it has been removed.
@cosmic drift we completely missed that

[timid pilot]

It also mentions the removed region channels, along with the removed music/video channel

[hollow owl]

if im blind go ahead and bop me on the head but is there going to be a dawntrail thread when it releases? i can bet a bag of sour gummy worms that beginner lounge will be a hot bed for discussion about it if there isn't

[autumn parrot]

https://discord.com/channels/100463940835762176/1134533110197932195

[autumn parrot]

[tired sigil]

@cosmic drift having discovered the links were expired just now, noticed this message and a tag for you about it.

[cosmic drift]

State of Beginner Lounge 2023

[meager quarry]

Hey @ornate pelican @modern jacinth I'm sorry for the ping but this information needs to be made into an announcement asap. Its a huge invasion of privacy on Discords part and needs to be known by as many people as possible

I just wanna do my part and spread the word

[ornate pelican]

This is disabled by default. It doesn't work unless you give Discord permission to see your contacts.

Discord does not have contacts permissions by default

[wary crater]

can confirm, discord doesn't have contacts access on mine, i have not changed this

It is ONLY if you select the Find Friends button below that setting, that it then prompts for contacts access.
so the tick box by itself, does nothing.

[meager quarry]

I am 100% sure this is the case for some, but many of my friends I talk to also saw it was changed for them. I just wanna make sure everyone is aware

[untold sequoia]

You have to explicitly allow Discord access to contacts, that is an OS level security feature

[wary crater]

you can't sneak in permissions for apps, its not possible at least on Android, new permissions have to be requested by the apps and approved by the user.

[meager quarry]

I'm just trying to let as many people know, but if their settings are untouched that's great. I just wanna help and I apologize if I am wrong

[wary crater]

I can't speak for Apple, but on Android, permissions that can access private user data, like, contacts, messages, etc.
Are classified by Google at the "dangerous" protection level, these permissions cannot even be pre-approved upon installation of the app (Discord now lists contact permissions on their app store page). So not even new discord installs can access contacts unless approved by the user when they go to "Find Friends".
It must be requested and approved at runtime.

[ivory moat]

iPhone user here, you have to allow access for anything to happen

[half vigil]

I triple checked, discord has the setting checked, but my permissions for contacts is off so it can still do that

[meager quarry]

Exactly my concern

[untold sequoia]

Did it have it checked under add friend or privacy?

[half vigil]

Under add friend. I know discord settings dont supercede your system settings but it can be a tad alarming

[untold sequoia]

The add friend one is bugged and doesn't actually show the correct setting

[wary crater]

has anyone actually considered they maybe 2 different things we're actually talking about here?
Allowing others to find you, and allowing discord to view your contacts list so you can find others.

Discord probably already knows most people's mobile numbers, due to verification needed for many servers.
So they dont need access to YOUR contacts list, to enable others to find you via their own contacts list.
And it only prompts to access your contact list when you actually try to "find friends" not when you tick/untick the "Allow contacts to add me" box.

though the wording, implies, that only Your contacts could add you, so that would be needed, youd think.

or this is just a 2nd part of accessing the contacts list, where discord stores info that these people can see and add you. only IF the tick box is enabled, and well, if they can even see your contacts list in the first place.

[untold sequoia]

Its all under the same permission

[versed mauve]

is there ever gonna be any action or rule against telling new players to "just skip/speedrun ARR cause it's a slog/it's boring/just get to heavensward cause it's good"

[celest idol]

There have been actions taken in the past if people are overly insistent about it or the channel in question devolves into dogpiling. Same with the reverse really, if someone is very insistent about having to play ARR at all costs.

I don't think it warrants an explicit rule though. It's a tricky subject because there are very legitimate reasons for someone to dislike ARR yet it is important to the big picture of the story. The best thing to do is to just lay out the facts without building up expectations of what comes after too much imo. That approach does not need a sign. But feel free to ping a mentor if you think the channel goes too heavily in one direction or the other.

[magic gazelle]

Can we get a different automod reply other than "this word is blocked as a prohibited topic"? Its being blocked due to inline link formatting rather than any specific word being blocked. Can be very confusing.

[untold sequoia]

Not really, it's a Discord limitation

[thorny lantern]

I wish we could edit what the automod reply says tbh, but we cannot.

[topaz plinth]

what is the correct way to approach the discord moderators? there is a new user sending friend requests, seemingly trying to scam (i accepted to see if they sent any phishing links)

[untold sequoia]

#discord-modmail

[topaz plinth]

ty friend ❤️

[smoky bridge]

Is linking to Rumble a no-no because of its ties to certain political sects?

[half vigil]

Yeah probably don't

If anything you can run the link by us via #discord-modmail first if you're concerned

[eager stone]

https://store.line.me/emojishop/product/65768a65bd76a739bb21e032/en is it possible to add some of the new line stickers as emoji on the discord?

[ornate pelican]

Maybe as stickers, we’re a bit short on emoji space.

[autumn fjord]

could we get xiv livestreams like the fanfest stage and future live letters as discord server events maybe? would be helpful since discord auto converts timezones & it'll cut down on questions about when exactly streams are happening etc since they'll be in the server header

[cosmic drift]

What all did you have in mind? All official twitch tv finaltantasyxiv streams? looping in <@&839629348800561202>s in case any may also have some insight

[autumn fjord]

basically major livestreams where game info is revealed like PLLs & fanfest stage streams, but not the regular community event streams where the devs/cm team interact with people in game

[gray nexus]

I think listing them as events in the server may be a solid idea live letters are quite the big deal and having it listed would help a lot in my opinion or major streams in general yeah

[timid pilot]

Would definitely help with pointing people to when they’ll happen.

[glacial anvil]

I am a nobody but would like to express support for this idea

[zinc jay]

Would agree as well, if not the events then an announcement listing key times for panels and stuff using discord time codes.

[real tusk]

Random Question - How do I invite someone to this server. I have looked through Annoucements, resources, About this server and I havent found a link and using invite to server doesn't work either.

[rocky garden]

https://discord.com/invite/ffxiv

[real tusk]

it says invalid

[rocky garden]

Either your friend banned or he has reached server limit on discord.. maybe

[real tusk]

Thank you we fixed it with a force restart - their internet went out when they tried to add it works now! thank you! ❤️

[hollow owl]

is the padoru icon going to stay?

[autumn fjord]

dawntrail moogle server icon when

[half vigil]

Idk paging @median jolt

[median jolt]

Usually I draw the icon right after the first Fanfest and it sits around waiting until closer to the expansion release. This year I've been busy with other projects so I haven't drawn it yet, but I plan to do so soon. I wanted to wait for the final version of the trailer just in case they made major changes to the outfit/pose like they did last time.

[autumn fjord]

yay looking forward to it

[broken dragon]

This (belatedly, holidays woo!) saddens me...but thank you for clarifying

[cosmic drift]

https://discord.com/channels/100463940835762176/1181206120723906580 is now a thread 💁‍♀️

[hollow zodiac]

Could I put my username to "hailey (art comms open)"? I dont know if that breaks advertising rules, but I've seen other people with their username like that but I wanted to make sure that was fine first since I dont wanna get in trouble

[minor kelp]

Hi, after some discussion with the team we feel doing that would break the no advertising rule. Please do shoot us a modmail if you see any users advertising in this manner. Thanks!

[zinc jay]

Kupo yet again not detecting maint because lodestone is down too.

[ornate pelican]

It’s fixed. I’m not sure why he didn’t pick this one up. Will investigate later.

[hallow niche]

Called it!!!

How I get in voice?

[neat sparrow]

Theres no voice channels in this discord, also this is the feedback channel.

[errant isle]

Don't know which role is causing it but for some reason when muted you can't message in #discord-modmail

[safe mural]

Muted, or timed out? If it’s a discord timeout with the red clock icon by your name, unfortunately that’s a discord limitation

[errant isle]

Muted

[minor kelp]

Just tested with an alt and it worked fine, would need more details to investigate further

[errant isle]

Could be because I still have the old OCE role

[safe mural]

You don't have a specific datacentre role, I think that'd do it

[azure gate]

Uh not sure if this warrants a feedback message but any news about the bot? It's a bit borked

[stone aurora]

We know exactly what the bug is (Square broke a status API we use to determine the system state), I'll be lookiing into this some today-ish once I'm off work.

[empty arrow]

Hey would it be possible to add the !cc command that shows the crystal conflict map rotation? Thx

[brave obsidian]

Hello! One of my friends is trying to join the server for the first time, but it keeps Auto exiting them from the server once they use the invite link. Does anyone know why this may be occurring?

[half vigil]

Their account was made like less than 20 minutes ago. The bot is suspicious of it so just give it a couple more hours before trying again.

[brave obsidian]

Ahh gotcha! I'll keep em posted, thanks!! 😄

[ornate pelican]

Oh they nuked the status api page?

[stone aurora]

They nuked all the HTTP -> HTTPS redirects, I've updated and patched it. They stopped responding at all on port 80 so kupo was freaking out.

We shoulda been on https anyway 🤷 There's probably a few more we need to fix as I assume that means eventually all XIV related sites will drop the redirect.

[ornate pelican]

Ahh

[twilit cobalt]

I can't post in any discussions, which role if any do I need?

[untold sequoia]

I'd assume a data centre role?

[jagged egret]

IPs for JP data centers seem to have changed. Can we double check that FAQ?

[minor kelp]

Updated, thanks for pointing it out (I'm trusting arrstatus)

!faq dcip

[ancient gale]

List of IP Addresses for each Datacenter

North America
Aether: 204.2.29.6
Primal: 204.2.29.7
Crystal: 204.2.29.8
Dynamis: 204.2.29.9

Europe
Chaos: 80.239.145.6
Light: 80.239.145.7

Japan
Mana: 119.252.37.8
Gaia: 119.252.37.7
Elemental: 119.252.37.6
Meteor: 119.252.37.9

Oceania
Materia: 153.254.80.103

How do I ping the IP?

Windows: Open Command Prompt and type ping *insert IP Address here*
Mac: Open Terminal and type `ping insert IP Address here

[empty arrow]

Hey would it be possible to add the !cc command that shows the crystal conflict map rotation?

[ocean hull]

got a very sus friend request from user qbshxdfmu_w_11, despite never interacting with them and generally lurking here anyway. Idk if its a bot per say but very sus.

[violet plinth]

i don't think mods can act on just vibes, but you can probably report it to discord if it feels that sus

[ocean hull]

yeah fair. I know its all circumstantial but ig just like heads up

[outer geode]

It's often a good idea to try to find out what they want and, in case you suspect them being a scammer, lead them on to find evidence against them before reporting them via #discord-modmail, it's very common for random DMs from people you've never seen let alone interacted with to be just that

[untold sequoia]

@kind inlet Yes, memes and gifs involving Vince are banned, regardless of if they predate the allegations

[kind inlet]

Understood. (Also appreciate the reversal of the timeout, thanks for that)

[violet plinth]

#resources message
crystal's primary hunt discords have merged with Faloop. i don't personally know if those world-specific ones are still in use.

[cosmic drift]

State of FFXIV Discussion 2024

[hollow owl]

what's the policy on the phrase "skill issue"? it can be pretty insulting to be told that after explaining your problem with a mechanic and id like to know if there is "accepted" times to use the phrase to someone

[untold sequoia]

Depends on context, but it can't be used in an insulting or mocking way, especially towards newer players

[half vigil]

example okay to use: Sprint functions like shit. Its like a 1 line macro and doesn't queue. Its literally a skill issue.

example not okay to use: Sprout is explaining that they are struggling with x content that you can now do with your eyes closed. If you say skill issue here, that's not okay

[minor kelp]

I would say it also varies depending on which channel it's said in, for example I'd take a very dim view of it in #beginner-lounge or #questions-and-help but less so in say #general-discussion or #rants

[onyx shale]

Adding on to this, I'm pretty sure the Primal Baldesion Arsenal/Bozja discord imploded.

The Primal DC ones where I see foray content being run now are Primal Eureka & Bozja Enjoyers (https://discord.gg/PEBE) and The Help Lines (https://discord.gg/thehelplines)

[hallow yacht]

https://discord.com/channels/100463940835762176/1202820325767778394 can this poll be put here for more visibility?

[cosmic drift]

The thread is in the channel I want to poll the posters of 💁‍♀️

[plush patio]

Has the staff considered moving #952326072542847016 up into the FFXIV category, given that the majority of tech questions relate to playing FFXIV? It seems the channel is buried a bit, and usually questions about technical issues related to playing 14 instead go to higher channels.

[cosmic drift]

<@&607647345936695316>

[steel folio]

yes good idea, I dont notice it a lot of the times because its so far down

[minor kelp]

can it be moved without taking #technology-discussion with it?

[steel folio]

im fine with that, I feel like they are entirely different things anyway

[cosmic drift]

If you two are cool with it, it can be brought up more - just keep in mind that if everything is moved up, nothing is moved up :^)

[minor kelp]

I just recall it being moved before and people (including me) not liking it and it being moved back, but I'm open to trying whatever

[neat sparrow]

I go where the tech issues go, so w/e as long as it's not indunated with spam lol

[cosmic drift]

Trying it out won't hurt us any! Let us know how it feels with it being closer up on the list. :)

[plush patio]

Sorry I wasn't aware it was moved around before. I know it's a diverse discord and not everyone will be pleased.

[neat sparrow]

hey if more people can be helped, that's cool /shrug

[charred arrow]

Was #1012400549007732786 meant to go to the meta ffxiv area?

[autumn parrot]

Anything that was moved is intentional, yes.

[round gull]

Would it be possible for mod actions to be carried out in a private staff only bot channels? It makes sense if its like an active troll/compromised account/spam bot in a public chat that needs actions to be taken immediately, but i felt like things outside of that could be just done in staff only commands channel. Seeing mod actions about a past event happen in midst of conversation causes bunch of people or sprouts who dont know be confused or deter the conversation, i know most people try to just ignore it but its very much noticeable. If its for record keeping purposes, a separate public or private channel could be made for that with only staff having ability to type in the said channel and maybe placed at like bottom of channel list

[versed mauve]

^especially if stuff between the rule breaker and mods happened mostly in private, just seems kinda strange to put said person on blast and then we're told to ignore it anyway

[timid pilot]

Not a mod, but IIRC it’s done for transparency

[untold sequoia]

It is

[gray nexus]

It’s an act of being transparent so people know what’s up

[round gull]

then would it be possible to have a separate channel dedicated to recordkeeping purposes because the warn/mute/ban action just gets scrolled up in the conversations? I know discord id search feature works for it but still, so that it doesnt intimidate new people in midst of the conversation or just general flow of the channel. Could go below or right above #discord-modmail for visibility alongside reasoning

[autumn fjord]

personally i don’t mind seeing mod actions in chat at all, imo the “intimidation” works as an active and highly visible deterrent so people in chat know that moderators aren’t afraid to take action against rulebreakers, and to remind chatters about the server’s policies about respect etc etc. i think putting it in a separate channel that no one will look at would ruin that purpose

[hoary garden]

I think the only odd part is when an action happens in a completely unrelated channel, which has happened on a few occasions.

[minor kelp]

generally the action should take place in the channel where the incident occurred, or in #general-discussion for things like art scammers etc

[versed mauve]

if it's for transparency then perhaps the mods should put more than a vague phrase of why the person was banned (except for things like troll, scammer, alt account, etc that are pretty self explanatory) because I don't really understand the "transparency" if people don't know what even happened and the mods don't want to talk about it. but if that's for privacy reasons for the person banned then sure I guess

what I'm saying is that whether it's for intimidation or transparency, tbh all it does is just make me more confused than anything

[celest idol]

I would argue that it's still better than just quietly taking someone out the backdoor. That way everyone can see mod actions and, if they take issue, approach the staff about them.

Also yes, details about why a given person was banned may or may not involve private stuff that isn't meant for public channels. Sometimes there have been private conversations with the team and they, by their very nature, shouldn't just get dragged out into the open by the mods. Just an unfortunate reality, you can only be so transparent while also providing spaces for private discussions. At the end of the day you'll have to give the mod team a measure of trust that they are handling the job well.

[maiden flint]

In my opinion, the way it is now is fine. No need to change any of it

[untold sequoia]

This just leads to creating a hall of infamy where people will try to get warned for the funniest or dumbest reason. But also on the flip side people can treat it as a wall of shame. If a warning happens in a specific channel, only the people there at the time see it, if it happens in a dedicated channel, everyone can see it and it doesn't get drowned out as easily

Ultimately though if you want to discuss a warning or mute you should be doing it in #discord-modmail instead of the channel

[hallow yacht]

As it stands right now it's fine, no user really gets hung up on any mod action; and even so, if it happens it goes for less than a minute and then we all move on to the next topic. Having a dedicated channel would indeed be a wall of shame

[maiden flint]

on that note i have the opposite suggestion, a starboard. the thing where you react with ⭐ so many times and it gets put there

[hoary garden]

No, that sort of thing lends itself to clique domination and "karma farming", and doesn't really serve a beneficial purpose.

[maiden flint]

ok i just wanted hank to be there all the time

[surreal shuttle]

I think it’s a reasonable criticism that we occasionally make vague action reasons

For stuff like spambots or things like that the messages are brief because there isn’t really much to say

I try to make my mod actions wordy. Some of the others are more to the point. But generally speaking our mod actions should have proper explanations attached to them in most cases and it is entirely fair to hold us accountable for that

So please do so

[wet valley]

Feedback: My english is bad. I need a german chat channel. Feedback end.

[gray nexus]

If you need help with stuff there’s people like me or other staff members and users who can provide German translations

[plush patio]

#resources message This has a link to a German discord - not sure how active it is

[gray nexus]

That too

[plush patio]

Can mods/admin clarify how discourse in the #rants channel should function? Kupobot states to avoid getting into arguments, but this seems to be generally ignored. If someone rants about something that's either wrong or their own fault, other people will jump in and argue against that rant, to varying degrees of niceness. Even certain mods partake in this behavior. All to say - kupobot's message is generally ignored in that channel and doesn't reflect how users act or mods moderate that channel.

I understand not wanting to further antagonize people in the channel meant for blowing off steam, but I'm also not a huge fan of letting rants involving bad gameplay or behavior go unchallenged. If the current behavior is what the moderation team wants, can kupobot's message be updated OR if mods want arguments to get scaled back, can they not partake/encourage that behavior?

[safe mural]

TL;DR is that rule 1 applies. The fact that it’s a rants channel doesn’t mean it’s ok to be less respectful to each other.
However, the fact that it’s a rants channel doesn’t make you immune to criticism or disagreement. If someone posts a bad take in there then they can expect other people to respond “hey, that’s wrong and this is why.”

[hollow owl]

this is something I might flamed for but it's something im genuinely curious about. yesterday we had a situation with a user being muted for an hour after they had a heated discussion and the mute was so they could cool off. after like half an hour, another mod extended their mute to six hours. i really don't know how you guys decide these kinds of things and im curious to know how

im not saying that the mod made a wrong decision or im questioning it, but rather why a mute would be extended after the one hour mute was given

[thorny lantern]

We muted as a temporary measure to put the situation to a stop and force chat to move on from the hostility, then we took a greater, more detailed look at the situation and punished those we found to be breaking the rules, which was also the guy who got muted.

[plush patio]

Totally understand and agree. I think the way kupobot currently has its reminder message gives the impression that users shouldn't expect any pushback at all when in the channel.

Perhaps something like the following might match the channel better:

"This channel is for blowing off some steam and having a rant about your experiences in Final Fantasy XIV. Please keep in mind this is a public forum and disagreements about your rant may arise. That said, rule 1 always applies; civil discussion about your negative experiences are fine but name calling and derogatory comments are not. Please refrain from spam and witch hunting when discussing your negative experiences with FFXIV."

[hallow mist]

My two cents: I do not go to #rants to get lectured. I go to #rants to let off some steam in a contained channel that doesn't affect other people, not to build up more steam by having someone lecture me and getting into arguments.

I should not have to do this just to rant in peace.

If I'm looking for advice, I'd use #questions-and-help. I do not care or want to see some random people's opinion on why my rant is so wrong in #rants of all places.

[autumn fjord]

imo #rants has grown into a community of its own, and people are free to comment on any of the discussions posted there. if you’re looking to just throw thoughts at a wall without the risk of anyone responding negatively, i suggest posting on twitter or writing in a diary

[umbral fog]

thats kinda part and parcel of a discussion place, you accept people can and will respond to your comments. just drop you rant and peace out of the channel

[vocal swan]

#archived-server-event-discussion I realized that this discussion is still open. Was this intentional or not? Considering that the event is now done

[cosmic drift]

that channel is evergreen to discuss all server events :)

including the one going on right now!

[versed mauve]

there is a server event going on

[cosmic drift]

https://discord.com/events/100463940835762176/1204564935045283893

[vocal swan]

Ah my bad. I only ever saw it active during the server testing period so I was confused

[jagged egret]

Per #1205653131044724756 message it seems the caster and ranged roles in role selection no longer do anything?

[narrow ferry]

solved it, was a case of the discord feature to suggest new channels in a separate category instead of where they are meant to be normally. Nothing wrong with the role settings, at least in this case

[minor kelp]

thanks Rika

[pearl halo]

Maybe include a list of banned words or topics. Getting timed out for an hour because you mentioned something adjacent to a subject matter that was controversial at some nebulous point in the past feels unfair when there aren’t transparent rules over what can and can’t be said. If nothing else, maybe institute a warning system or something instead of what’s currently in place.

[half vigil]

There is a warning system in place. Mutes are by far at the lowest level of warning provided in said system. If you are receiving a timeout due to the automatic filter, you are always welcome to send us a #discord-modmail to discuss the issue, as there can still be case of false positives as well. On the topic of the banned word list, you are not the first person to ask, but it is unlikely we will ever provide one as most of them come down to slurs and such.

[minor kelp]

Rule 5 has examples of the kind of things that might get caught by automod

[pearl halo]

If that’s the case, then it would probably behoove someone on the team to go through and make adjustments to the automod since certain innocuous phrases that are currently listed only make sense as being controversial within the context of a specific situation or event in time that is now no longer relevant.

[minor kelp]

I assure you, JK Rowling is still a transphobic piece of shit, and she and her IPs will certainly remain filtered.

[misty kernel]

If it was controversial at one point, we arent gonna remove it just because it isnt the current topic of talk anymore. Once its controversial, it'll most certainly remain to be filtered. No adjustments will be made. Sorry.

[frosty edge]

Not like I care for rules being changed for the sake of changing them but why can't people just like things like HP without associating to the shitty person that its tied to? Just seems a little much to ban someone who isn't being malicious just for liking a kids book. However yes I can see the want to ban said topics from not spiraling into further conversations that express said shitty person.

[untold sequoia]

Nobody gets banned for liking Harry Potter, I don't know where you got that idea

[minor kelp]

The internet is a vast expanse and there are many, many places where you can discuss the things that we've decided aren't appropriate for this server.

[surreal shuttle]

It’s an unfortunate truth that mods have to be cynics and air on the side of people being malicious with things. It’s also the same reason why we do not have a public list of what exactly triggers the auto mute. Because if people knew they’d know how to go around it which makes our job harder lol

[hollow owl]

i know there's a faq command for it but since we have some awesome Xbox bros coming to ffxiv, would be appropriate to try and recommend dynamis to them or have them join the far more populated servers?

i know this is a catch 22 situation but i want all the new sprouts to have the best time possible with ffxiv and i don't want them to hate the game because of dyanmis's queue times

[charred arrow]

I'm not sure if there needs to be an official stance, just let people know the pros and cons and that they can freely visit other worlds and data centers if they want to.

[hoary garden]

You as an individual are always free to recommend what you want—provided, of course, it's not someplace like #questions-and-help where we're required to be as objective and unbiased as possible.

The inherent problem of Dynamis having high queue times unfortunately won't even be resolved with more players coming to Dynamis, either. Because it dropped at the same time as DC travel released, Dynamis players have and continue to head to other datacenters for basically all instanced duties. The only thing that would fix that now would be to isolate Dynamis entirely so that the people who live there actually play there. But that solution is both preposterous and won't cause a permanent change, since the moment DC travel would be restored Dynamis players would go right back to traveling.

[safe mural]

My answer to this is that fixing the overall population situation is Square Enix’s problem, not ours. Simply being honest with new players about the pros and cons of Dynamis is the best policy.

[round gull]

@modern jacinth hi

[modern jacinth]

Ty

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for macktdr

@smoky valley has been banned by dihn for the following reason:

Crypto Spam

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[modern jacinth]

There we go

[hoary garden]

Could we update the Worldpick faq to say "the physical location of the regional datacenters" instead of "...of the servers"? Because as veterans we all know that the servers in the same region are all in the same physical location, but the phrasing in the faq could be interpreted as there being servers (in the same region) in different locations.

[vestal osprey]

all 3 of these appear to be dead?

[plush patio]

Could #1012400549007732786 get a thread for field operations (Eureka and Bozja)? Currently discussion for these content take place in the lounges, which is totally fine of course, but having a dedicated space in this server would be nice as we wouldn't have to worry about interrupting or crowding out other discussions in the lounges.

[cosmic drift]

#1211717081876406362

[cosmic drift]

<@&473626701947994134>

[cosmic drift]

also <@&473626701947994134>

[celest idol]

The controller guide faq does indeed appear to have ceased existence We will look into it, as well as the worldpick wording

[half vigil]

Completed

[celest idol]

It works again

[smoky bridge]

Super ultra mega tiny suggestion:

For modmail, could you prompt people to add text before sending an image through the Kupo bot? It doesn't accept image only replies.

[minor kelp]

Yeah, you're right, I just tested this. We'll need an admin to update this I believe.

[plush patio]

Do we know who manages the kupobot for the AST hotbars help? The links to the controller hotbars are currently dead as far as I can tell

[half vigil]

The balance does the hotbar ones and job specific ones in general

[timid pilot]

Anything raid/job-specific is 99% likely from the Balance

[narrow ferry]

Passed along notice to the other mentors to check through their FAQs, this along with other stuff broke due to discord changing things so embedded images expire after a while

[celest idol]

This can easily be fixed by migrating image/gif links away from discord to something like imgur, since their link lifetime depends on views. Meaning as long as the faq gets used sometimes it won't happen again. We are currently looking through stuff to see if we catch anything but most of ours seem to be on imgur.

That being said, if anyone discovers any image used in an faq that is still a discord embed we would appreciate it if you let us know.

[sonic owl]

Hey there. I just tried to send a message in #general-discussion that feels like it should be allowed, but apparently it contains a word that's a prohibited topic on this server and I can't figure out what it is. Is it possible for mods to see that message and tell me what was wrong with it?

(I can't see anything in the rules that would make it a problem.)

[misty kernel]

Please send us a modmail regarding this topic. It is better suited for this rather than #discord-feedback

[autumn parrot]

The answer though is that we don't allow masked links

You can post what you said without the mask

[sonic owl]

Ahhhh, okay, that makes sense. I did it because the URL was large and unwieldy, but yeah, I get that. And, okay, will use modmail next time, sorry about that! (I'm guessing that'd just be via Reddit and there's no Discord-specific method?)

[autumn parrot]

#discord-modmail is our channel

[sonic owl]

Gotcha. Thanks!

[keen fractal]

Improve duty finder so that im not put in parties with people that are throwing ???

[umbral fog]

this discord has no official affiliation with square enix, and this channel isn't for that kind of feedback either

[minor kelp]

there's an in-game function to provide feedback/suggestions or there's the official forum

[dire furnace]

I've been seeing a lot of posts recently that people are looking for a LFG channel, should we give that another try what with the xbox beta ending soon?

[minor kelp]

People have been told repeatedly that they can use #1041530453057863730

People choose not to

[misty temple]

it's not clear from the name "event recruitment" that people can use it for general lfg stuff

[charred arrow]

Yeah I agree that "Event Recruitment" sounds more like some big special occasion.
I also agree that having a more dedicated LFG room would be good, even if it's just a temporary thing while Xbox people are new. Just like, something to help them with party making or optional content.

[hoary garden]

While I am personally skeptical of the wisdom of attempting to find parties on a discord server, I do agree that "event recruitment" sounds a lot more like "come to our nightclub", and a lot less like the "lfg/lfm/lf static" for which we seem to encourage members to use it.

[plush patio]

I understand that the original lfg channel was shut down due to a lack of it being useful in forming groups, but I can't help but wonder if there isn't a bit of a psychological benefit to just having a general lfg channel. Even if its use case in practice is nebulous, it might help people feel more "at home" here in the server if there is a more obvious place to put those posts rather than be told "use party finder" (which I agree is the best option but doesn't necessarily make this place any warmer to new folks).

[eager stone]

I feel like their issue would then be "why aren't there enough people responding to my lfg" but that was before DC travel was a thing so things might be different now? I think dedicated server for lfg might be best though, since that server can then have roles that can be pinged, making finding people more likely

[half vigil]

The other issue and I'm sure people have noticed this, is regardless of what we do, a sprout or new member will post their lfg literally anywhere they want even if there was a dedicated space for it.

[hoary garden]

Yea, but also that drives us to the exact same end result either way. The only difference would be us saying

Hey go to this server to look for groups
instead of
Hey look in the game's Party Finder to look for groups
So functionally nothing is different aside from having made yet another server people have to even know exists at all.

[zinc jay]

Kupo bot is off by an hour due to DST

[minor kelp]

Will pass it on to the devs, thanks

[violet plinth]

#general-discussion message
just using this message as an example, but didn't kupo bot used to actually have the symbol on the !market command? right now it's just : hq:

[umbral fog]

think its an issue with discord being funky rn, as its struggling to load a lot of things (images/emotes etc)

[swift otter]

Hello! I am sorry for the bother, I just put the kupo bot in my server, but I don't see anyway to configure it? I was reading the FAQ, but am pretty new to bots, so I don't really know what to do from here

[timid pilot]

I recommend asking questions in Kupo Bot’s dedicated server for help, as it focuses entirely on it and has a better chance of being seen by people familiar with it. https://discord.gg/fVrJe5yV

[swift otter]

Oh thank you! I went to the FAQ page and it lead me here

You’re wonderful, thank you again

[untold sequoia]

The icon will remain

I'm sorry if the change in icon sent you into a breakdown, but if having an LGBTQ+ icon on a server does that to you, it might be best if you leave, because we're not changing it

[ancient gale]

Member not in server with ID 738352834143191081 has been banned by 01010011011010000111010101100101 for the following reason:

Transphones and bigots aren't welcome here anyway

[minor kelp]

oh L, typo in transphobes 🥹

[charred arrow]

Lol

[median jolt]

Artist here. The pride stripes are intended as a mostly-permanent feature of the server icon and will be included on the Dawntrail version of the icon as well. The only reason they weren't on the last icon was because an older version was uploaded after the end of the Christmas season. Our intent is to show pride and support all year long.

[hallow yacht]

btw, when we use the discover feature, the art is still xmas

[median jolt]

Thanks for pointing that out, I've replaced it with a temporary EW one to hold us over until Dawntrail

[gusty sleet]

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0082-PPSA02954_00-C0EC5SET00000000

Is it possible to pin the PS Collector's Edition message onto the Discord server somehow, or at least send it on some channel where people can have easy access to it? It took me forever to get the link to the CE (had to ask on General for two hours until someone managed to send it), as it does not appear on the console storefront for some reason. Perhaps we can do this with all of the platforms, to have people have easy access to the necessary links, I'm sure people will find it very useful!

[versed mauve]

maybe not a pin but i suggest redoing !faq buyto just have links to the various store pages for the platforms because the faq is so long that people just use !faq editions from what ive seen

[turbid kayak]

it does exists a !faq buyendwalker
so, maybe a !faq buydawntrail or !faq preorder can be added.

[versed mauve]

uhh the link in !faq buyendwalker takes me to dawntrail lmao

[turbid kayak]

NA Digital: https://na.store.square-enix-games.com/final-fantasy-xiv-dawntrail
NA Physical: https://na.store.square-enix-games.com/franchise/final-fantasy-xiv-online

EU Digital: https://eu.store.square-enix-games.com/final-fantasy-xiv-dawntrail
EU Physical: https://eu.store.square-enix-games.com/franchise/final-fantasy-xiv-online

Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2649240/FINAL_FANTASY_XIV_Dawntrail

NA Playstation: https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0082-PPSA02954_00-C0EX05SET0000000
NA Playstation Collectors: https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0082-PPSA02954_00-C0EC5SET00000000

EU Playstation: https://store.playstation.com/en-eu/product/EP0082-PPSA02955_00-C0EX05SET0000000
EU Playstation Collectors: https://store.playstation.com/en-eu/product/EP0082-PPSA02955_00-C0EC5SET00000000

XBOX: https://www.xbox.com/games/store/pre-order-final-fantasy-xiv-dawntrail/9p4f4p2l264t
XBOX Collectors: https://www.xbox.com/games/store/pre-order-final-fantasy-xiv-dawntrail-collectors-edition/9nc1rn2jczsb

Listed here all links of SKU's for available NA and EU.

[versed mauve]

the buy faq already had windows links for NA EU and JP it just doesnt have playstation xbox or steam

[turbid kayak]

those only links to endwalker atm

[autumn parrot]

we'll have someone look at things when they're able

[timid pilot]

!faq buydawntrail

[ancient gale]

All Storefronts for buying Dawntrail

NA Digital
NA Physical

EU Digital
EU Physical

Steam

NA Playstation
NA Playstation Collectors

EU Playstation
EU Playstation Collectors

XBOX
XBOX Collectors

[lean coral]

I feel like whenever I get a friend request or DM from somebody I don't know (which ends up being spam/phishing), it ends up that this is a "mutual server". I know in section 5 of #about-this-server, you've mentioned to not DM/spam members and how you'll kick people for such behavior. What's the process to inform mods of such an infringment?

[untold sequoia]

You can use #discord-modmail, make sure to include evidence that they're a scammer or spammer

[celest idol]

It's an unfortunate consequence of this server being as huge as it is. Which means compromised accounts have a higher chance to be in here and scammers who join also have a bigger target pool. Just be careful out there and reach out to us if needed

[shadow girder]

where would i suggest a user to get the helpful person role?

[modern jacinth]

We suggest using #discord-modmail

[shadow girder]

alright, thank you!

[hallow mist]

Unix timestamp for PLL in #translations-and-liveletters maybe?

<t:1712980800:F>
<t:1712980800:F>

[hollow owl]

can we keep the april fools banner and the icon they are literally incredible

[median jolt]

Thank you! We're planning on keeping the banner up for a little while longer, and I've added the pride colors back to the icon but the xbox moogle on it will probably stay until June.

[hallow yacht]

For next year can we get the fake in the banner?

[median jolt]

Tempting, I will consider it

[nocturne geyser]

hi I'm here to ask the translation team to translate the TTRPG part of the stream too please 🙏

[gray nexus]

#translations-and-liveletters check this out they made a comment about that

[pearl halo]

can we get a channel for people to advertise their art commissions? i feel like that would be very helpful for people looking to get their WoL drawn

[untold sequoia]

If you're looking for art commissions you're better off looking on Twitter or a dedicated art commission site

[round gull]

would it be possible to get a kupo command like whynoextreme to advise sprouts as to why they shouldnt queue for extremes and other hard end content in df and instead use pf

[civic pier]

kupobot is incorrect for NA jumbo cactpot time, it was an 1 hour and 20 minutes ago, not in 20 mins

[charred arrow]

Kupobots also still on last week fashion report.

And while we're ragging on it, !quest has been broken for a while.

[hoary garden]

As much as I would like one as well, I will actually suggest against this, personally. This explanation I feel needs to be person-to-person, and dropping a faq to say "no don't do this" along with appropriate reasons why we don't do it is too impersonal for its situation and will, imo, be much easier to brush off.

[stone aurora]

Do you have an example? I haven’t checked in a hot minute, so don’t have one handy. Fashion report is due to a Reddit block we’re working on

[hoary garden]

It's also never the same situation. Some new players are simply confused about the difference in difficulty, some just want to get quests out of their journal. And some are convinced that not doing the fights on-level is pointless and un-fun, and haven't yet learned the difference between things you do now and things you do for fun but can do later.

[stone aurora]

I’ll sort Cactbot when I get out of bed in the morning assuming I remember, I’ve got my laptop with me so I can work on kupo a bit

[hoary garden]

Tailoring a faq to every possible situation is impractical, it'll take up far too much space. But making it too general doesn't serve the conversation's purpose.

[half vigil]

!quest going for gold

[ancient gale]

Command Error!

An unhandled error has occurred: 'journal'

If you believe this error to be a bug please report to the Kupo Bot Support Discord: http://discord.gg/4dpPFcWURA

[half vigil]

Its like all of the !quest. Not any specific example that does this

[stone aurora]

Perfect, that’s all I need, and it’s in his error logger, I’ll aim to look when I get out of bed

[misty temple]

can we fix this and perhaps allow common aliases like lala/miqo/etc as well

[stone aurora]

Okay, Cactbot timer, !quest should be fixed. Fashion report we'll look into when we work out the rest of the reddit issues.

[celest idol]

The issue with that is that we can't ensure proper moderation for sections like that, simply because we lack staff with the appropriate language skills. Of course we have our Japanese translation team, but realistically we don't have many Japanese members. For the other languages we just lack the people, period.

Additionally there are other communities out there (on Discord or otherwise) that do cater to those languages specifically and it would arguably not worth it to create a space here for that too.

[half vigil]

The other thing to note is that we've never explicitly not allowed other languages before, but the amount of traffic that was for those languages is minimal. There would have to be some high amount interest that could be verified for us to discuss the creation of those channels, not to mention channel bloat considerations.

[craggy lily]

Is there any possibility of having a "Free Trial" role added to the server?
Players tend to ask a lot of questions about the game and the answers to those questions can be very different depending on if a player is free trial or not.

[untold sequoia]

Tbh from my experience people rarely look at roles before answering questions, I'd recommend putting something like (Free Trial) in their nickname

[amber skiff]

what about a free trial icon next to their name, itll be more noticeable

[untold sequoia]

I'll bring it up with the team

[hollow owl]

what's the context on bowls of ember (ex) being the banner 😳

[timid pilot]

Total Solar Eclipse in the US today that happened 3 hours ago.

[median jolt]

Yes I'm sorry it should have been a "The Cloud Deck (Extreme)" banner

[hallow yacht]

Yeah it could be a role with an icon next to it for free trial, same as cloud server survivor having a ☁️

[hoary garden]

Will add that checking roles is a frequent thing several of us in Q&H do, but at the same time it's very simple to also ask "are you on the free trial".

[craggy lily]

You're absolutely right. But It can definitely add significant delays to getting a response in some of the channels though. Especially in like... the glamour discussion channel since free trial options are severely limited there.

[versed mauve]

petition to add this to !faq freetrial for the steam players

[hoary garden]

Do we have a faq to quickly and succinctly describe equip level versus item level, perhaps with an easy visual aide?

If not, thoughts on adding one?

[silk rivet]

The Light / Chaos filter in the recruitment channel doesn't work.

[untold sequoia]

What issue are you having with it, it seems to work fine for me?

[silk rivet]

I first click EU then it filters all EU. But Clicking Light or Chaos still shows FCs from the other datacenter
Is it because I cant have multiple filters? EU will show both? Regardless of what I click after?

[untold sequoia]

Its because filters are additive, not exclusive

They just display all the things that has at least one of the filters

[silk rivet]

Makes sense 🙂 Thanks ❤️

[celest idol]

@versed mauve @hoary garden Both of your suggestions have been added! !faq itemlevel and !faq ilvl are the fancy new stuff. Please faq responsibly and let us know if there's more

[hoary garden]

o7

[gray nexus]

Let’s fucking go

[subtle escarp]

Hey out of curiosity are the posts in #translations-and-liveletters not published? Tried following it for my ff server I run but not getting any updates (not sure if this is the right place to ask)

[icy dew]

It won't post every single thing from the translation. Because it would be considered spam.

[subtle escarp]

Ahhhh that makes sense. Was just curious since I hadn't seen anything at all in there

[umbral fog]

there's a limit on how many messages can be published, so we only publish the start of the liveletter

[subtle escarp]

That makes total sense! Thanks for the quick answer y'all :)

[ocean hemlock]

Can we get that as an emote? Source is the latest Live Letter.

[hoary garden]

Question about the glamourdresser faq. Text says you can find a glamour dresser in "your inn room at any of the adventurer's guilds". Should this be updated to simply "in the Inn room in any starting city or expansion starting city" (there's probably a more succinct way to phrase that, that feels clunky to me), and also mention the Grand Company Squadron access as well?

Or is that too much info?

[safe mural]

The faq is primarily aimed at new players, so the inn rooms in the three adventurers’ guilds are all they have access to in the early game.
The text for this faq is already pretty long, so I’m not that keen to add more if what’s already written there is fit for purpose

New players often get confused about what constitutes a “main city” in expansions too

[half vigil]

The FAQ (glamourdresser and glamour) are both on the chopping block for a rewrite, as time allows for the people assigned it.

[manic ocean]

Hey there! Would it be possible to create a channel for the XIV TTRPG? I'm sure I'm not the only one looking forward to chatting about it 😁

[untold sequoia]

You could make one yourself under #1132840472293941304 or #952328891584872488

[manic ocean]

Ah, great idea! Thank you~

[merry ore]

The howaboutno faq is missing some characters, that’s all

[hoary garden]

.....would you like to mention who those characters might be? It would probably make things easier on the people editing them so they don't have to start sifting through every known character in the game to figure out who might need to be there lol

[fossil moss]

The faq can also just change the wording to say “include but not limited to characters below” since the wording implies these are just known popular examples rather than an exhaustive list.

[charred arrow]

Halric, Taynor, the other Doma kids, and Azami (the girl in Yanxia) are the big actual child characters I can think of.

Ryne, Gaia, Ranaa (dancer cat), Kai-shirr, Yuki Yatsuguri (ninja Auri princess), and Ardashir are 17 which goes beyond the faq but still minors.

That said yeah can't really go through and check everyone's ages and add them in. IMO add Ryne and Gaia and have like a general message for any other minors.

[hallow yacht]

Btw the !faq buy is way too long but also it contains information that is certainly faq...

Kinda wonder how could it be trimmed down, and also updated to include dawntrail at some point

[untold sequoia]

Its kinda required due to how obnoxiously complicated SE made the whole process

But feel free to suggest ways it could be trimmed down

[waxen root]

The reason it's so complicated is because SE still has region locking and there's like 3 different wallets you can use and the account features you can use

It's dumb. I wish it wasn't. But it's dumb.

[fossil moss]

If it’s possible, I think this guide for controller ast is a good idea to include under ast resource for the healer section. Atm for ast there’s only the intro. This guide include setting up card macro and other useful tips for controller players. And the faq asthotbars is just the hotbar layout. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1obFL3pGEF0w7wHU75o34CWY5N9V5kDTKvl59XMDFTe4/edit

[dire furnace]

Villy posted a pretty solid explanation of party finder, should we make an faq out of it?
"you arent supposed to use duty finder (queueing in for stuff) for hard end content.
hard end content means everything thats tagged with:
extreme
minstrels ballad
coils of bahamut
urths fount
savage
unreal
ultimate
party finder is like a recruitment post you can use to find other people that wanna do these hard end content or just other various things in general; you can find party finder here."

[median mantle]

There was some discussion about it before ^

[autumn fox]

Add delubrum Reginae to this?

[charred arrow]

Just want to point out the timer on !cactpot is off, at least for NA. Should be in 5 mins.

[tawdry parrot]

Hello;
This might be a me issue, but is it possible to adjust "Helpful" color tag to something that's not so close to "primal's?"

The image posted is just as an example.

[autumn parrot]

Under normal conditions the colors are nowhere near each other and helpfuls have the smiley icon but I'll point an admin to it

[tawdry parrot]

Oh, I didn't notice the smiley icon.
If it's decided not to change colors, I'll look out for that.

[granite aurora]

Didnt wanna put it in #questions-and-help so I figured I'd ask here, but what is SpyPet? The message in #announcements made me very curious

[minor kelp]

it's a data scraping bot thing

[dense geyser]

https://80.lv/articles/message-history-of-600-million-discord-users-can-be-accessed-for-usd5/

[dire furnace]

ye so i could buy all of your dms with other users for 5$ (allegedly)

[gritty pond]

no, because it doesn't scrape DMs

[violet plinth]

yeah, it can only scrape stuff that's public. usual "don't put your info out where people can find it"

[granite aurora]

Ah, gotcha, cheers for explaining!

[azure gate]

Can we get an update on the xivlauncher faq? The discord tag listed in it is no longer the valid format used by discord so having the dev's new tag would be helpful for contact purposes.

[minor kelp]

which part?

[untold sequoia]

Whats the new tag?

[umbral fog]

(developed by rin#3487 - contact them for help) this part i assume is what piper means

[minor kelp]

I'll poke around and see if I can find them

I'll just remove that line, their twitter is abandoned and I can't find them on discord, people can just contact them on github

[neat sparrow]

you can also contact them in the xivlauncher discord too probably

[merry ore]

Only issue I see with the tomestone.gg profiles is that they have some spoilers, kinda big at that

[silent flower]

Also in regards to tomestone, I don’t like the idea that this Discord is using it as it pulls clear data and progression percentages of content without user consent.

[versed mauve]

you can just make your tomestone.gg private

[hallow yacht]

I'm pretty happy with it; it's the same as !whologs command anyways

[ornate pelican]

How so?

[ornate pelican]

If your logs are private they do not appear on cards.

[merry ore]

Spoilers for Endwalker: ||anyone with a modicum of a braincell and lore grasp would figure out what the first two trials there are||

[ornate pelican]

Just clear an ultimate and they wouldn't pop up /s. I can talk to @misty aspen about that but I personally don't think it's too much of an issue since the cards aren't default

[charred arrow]

TBH even having clears and prog points seems weird.

Seems more like a static recruitment thing over a friendly way to show off and introduce yourself.

[umbral fog]

You can still use the old cards for that

[delicate trench]

in dawntrail i'll make sure to use ??? 1 and ??? 2 for the extremes to start, but yeah after long enough, i don't think they should be hidden forever.

[pearl halo]

Or put the patch number perhaps, or the level?

[dire furnace]

well both exs come out in the same patch
but 93/99 ex would prolly work

[delicate trench]

hyd and zod kind of an exceptional case too

[silent flower]

Manually opting out of something is not consent. Manually opting in is consensual. I should not have to set something to private to not have others be able to pull that data.

[ornate pelican]

I don't know what to tell you I have no plans of changing it.

Don't upload logs if you don't want people to see them.

[hoary garden]

Tbh I think this is less a discussion for here and more one for the Tomestone.gg people, since this information is something one should be able to control there, and Kupo requesting info won't matter if the info isn't available to be given by the source.

[silent flower]

If you openly decide to work with something problematic then you’re saying it’s fine. It’s a discussion that can be had here but apparently that consent is less important than a working Kupo bot

[violet plinth]

Don't upload logs if you don't want people to see them.
easy as that if you don't want your logs out in the open. talk to FFLogs if you don't want logs public immediately

[hoary garden]

The issue of log visibility is a valid one because there are a subset of players who will absolutely pore over a person's casual logs if given the chance; and, although for high-end content logs are logs and lack of transparency is extremely sus, in casual players who don't know of or don't otherwise care about logging or parsing do not necessarily have a say in whether their performance was captured in someone else's practice log.

[delicate trench]

You can add "tomestone-hidden" to your lodestone profile and you will disappear from tomestone completely (and the cards will fall back to the lodestone ones).

[hoary garden]

But Kupo Bot is not the place to address that.

[delicate trench]

In addition, Dawntrail is adding Lodestone privacy options, which both FFLogs and Tomestone will respect.

[versed mauve]

also anyone can log you and upload it. if this discord didnt pull from tomestone.gg, people can still look up your character on fflogs and it would show all of your logs, whether they were logged and uploaded with or without your knowledge. you can also have private or unlisted logs, but anything shown on a public profile is public knowledge. you can't tell people to simply stop logging you because that won't happen

[azure gate]

Question, will kupo-bot be able to display more than one character?

[stone aurora]

This has been a long standing feature request, I'd say about 20-30% of the code required to do it has been completed. I've started an alt recently again, so I've got some inspiration to finish it.

I could go into the technical details, but that's not appropriate for this channel, feel free to @ me somewhere if you'd like to discuss it a bit more, but in general, it's something I'd like to do.

[silent flower]

At the very least you could update the announcement to include that people can opt out and how to do it. Because most people don’t even know about it or that you can. And that’s a bare minimum solution other than ignoring the problem.

[versed mauve]

sure, i think we should keep the commands as is and have the default be the non-tomestone one because i feel like most players are more interested in the default character card info than raid progression info. and then people can just private their tomestone profile or just not use the new command.

[half vigil]

thats how it is already, as stated in the announcement

[versed mauve]

i know but the announcement also said they may make tomestone the default, which i personally wouldnt like

[untold sequoia]

Just to comment on this, showing off fight clears isn't just a thing exclusive to static recruitment, people take pride in clearing difficult content and want to show it off

[delicate trench]

we could also let you customize what shows in the card possibly (e.g., pick achievements or accomplishments other than raid progression) (similar to steam showcase)

[silent flower]

Which is fine, if you choose to show that off

[untold sequoia]

You can in a way by just not using the new card

[versed mauve]

you already choose to show it off by using the new command instead of the default command idk what you mean

[untold sequoia]

I agree but thats outside the scope of this server, you're better off making that suggestion to the Tomestone people directly

[violet plinth]

meara that is the tomestone person i think

[delicate trench]

😂

[untold sequoia]

LMAO

I misread

That does explain the name though

[hoary garden]

And that's what I was getting at, yeah. If we handle this on the Tomestone.gg side, this becomes a nonissue.

It would need a sort of bare-bones default version for people who haven't set it up yet, if nothing else just to avoid future similar tizzies.

[deft sorrel]

Just following up a bit on this from my personal experience:

SE does not consider anything they've shown in public media or advertising a spoiler.

People being unable to remain silent and screeching "SPOILER" anytime something comes up has historically done way more damage than any picture could do.

[safe mural]

We don’t currently allow those trials to be mentioned without spoiler tags in this server.

[pearl halo]

I was always taught as a general rule of thumb to use trial/dungeon/quest level or patch and to never use any names- unless it's something like Sylph-Management, since that's the quest where you unlock the job system, and people might want to know that.

[dire furnace]

for beginner lounge yeah

[pearl halo]

Oh. I just follow that rule everywhere..

[hallow yacht]

You dont use quest names to avoid spoiling, I dont use quest names because im dumdum and forgot their names. We are not the same.

On a serious note, I like this tomestone thingy, of course having to type "!whois new NAME" do be a bit convoluted.

[untold sequoia]

If you just want yourself you can just do !me new

You can also use someone's Discord ID or @ instead of their name

[hallow yacht]

Can the !me new just be turned into !menew ?

[half vigil]

the whole point is for command consistency. doing what you're suggesting isn't in line with how all other commands work. for example !faq has !faq search <argument> and this is just to help compartmentalize subcommands of a main command.

[ornate pelican]

Not really how the bot is designed

For example you can do

!help me

[ancient gale]

Group Command Help

Type !help command for more info on a command.
You can also type !help category for more info on a category.

**!whoami [user]**

Searches for a saved character on your own name. You can also use !profile <user> for more information.

Characters can be saved with the !iam <server> <first> <last> command

Old profile cards can be viewed using !me old
New profile cards can be viewed using !me new

**!whoami tomestone [user]**

Searches for a saved character on your own name. You can also use !profile <user> for more information.

Characters can be saved with the !iam <server> <first> <last> command

**!whoami oldprofile [user]**

Searches for a saved character on your own name. You can also use !profile <user> for more information.

Characters can be saved with the !iam <server> <first> <last> command

[ornate pelican]

And get all valid subcommands

[hallow yacht]

Oh I see

[amber skiff]

helo, there is new data center coming out, will we get a role for it?

[timid pilot]

Once it’s actually out, probably yes.

[hallow yacht]

If rolebloat becomes a thing, we may aswell just condense it into NA, EU, JP and OCE

[dire furnace]

We already tried that and it got pretty negative feedback

[celest idol]

We are currently discussing the topic, but thanks for the feedback

[hallow yacht]

Would it still get negative feedback despite data center travel within a region being a thing tho? As I see it, Data Center traveling allows people to interact with each other within the same region, regardless of home data center, so whichever data center you are from shouldnt really matter that much.

[dire furnace]

thats exactly when we enacted it the first time around, and just made na/eu/jp/oce roles, but was then reverted like a day later

idk why it was reverted personally, i should have stated that, thats my bad.

[amber skiff]

the best part about each dc role is the colors you get from them, i think thats why people got upset

[shy kiln]

Can we stop promoting the marketboard anytime someone asks for gearing after reaching the post game of a latest expansion?
while gears were handed out through the MSQ, people don't have that many gil sources
there's no way they'd have more then enough to purchase a full set.

it's becoming tiresome catering to the MB while there's so many other way (and free way) to gear yourself

[gray nexus]

I don’t think there’s anything that can be done about it. If people want to recommend the MB we cannot stop them from doing so as it isn’t harming to other users or such

[versed mauve]

you dont need a full set and buying gear from the market board is the fastest way to get gear. most of the time i see people also mention raid gear

[hoary garden]

This is a frequent aspect I routinely attempt to push back on, don't worry.

But general members answering questions are not subject to staff rules, so that sort of thing isn't possible. And there are no real Thou Shalts or Thou Shalt Nots wrt answering questions, unfortunately.

[untold sequoia]

If people are giving out bad or incorrect information, feel free to open a modmail about it, but we can't do much if its a simple matter of disagreeing over whats best

[dire furnace]

If they ask for the fastest and easiest way to gear up, that’s the marketboard. We do have a gearing up FAQ for level caps now though so you could start linking that too

[safe mural]

As the MSQ gives over 3mil in gil rewards, you typically should in fact have more than enough to buy a set of endgame crafted gear (outside of the first couple of weeks of a new raid tier, when prices are high). It’s the most convenient method which is why it’s recommended so often.