endgame-lounge

[grand mesa]

id play whm more if it had actual free healing tools

!wl

[storm frost]

Spud Lightyear of Cactuar

FFLogs Data

Erichthonios

WhiteMage: (4506/26479)[4575 RDPS][96 Historical][7:26][21 Kills]

Hippokampos

WhiteMage: (3047/21926)[4424 RDPS][97 Historical][8:17][15 Kills]

Phoinix

BlackMage: (3337/5620)[8018 RDPS][65 Historical][10:16][2 Kills]

[undone tide]

oh ur not BLM main

[quick verge]

ast is kind of deceptive cause it pops off hard at the high end

[grand mesa]

it's a mix betweelm blm/whm

[quick verge]

even tho it looks worse before then

[grand mesa]

but the whm parses were literally free

because casting glare is hard

[undone tide]

i guess I could play dancer for speeds

[grand mesa]

i got those parses on 580 gear non penta

[undone tide]

ez af job + I have weapon

[quick verge]

dancer

[undone tide]

[quick verge]

"guys i didn't crit tech step"

[grand mesa]

wipe

[undone tide]

[quick verge]

"guys i got 0 procs"

[undone tide]

2 weeks of dancer weapon

I wish we could get good weapon procs

[grand mesa]

i dont think ill ever play classes that lean heavily into rdps

[quick verge]

tbh just wait for harvest moon: ffxiv edition and don't speed kill

[grand mesa]

i'd be tilted as shit if everyone was playing like ass

im just chilling

[undone tide]

Like our phys ranged doesn't even have dancer leveled

Like

[grand mesa]

i have no interest in speeds outside of someone inviting me to do it for fun

[undone tide]

That shit ain't fun

don't believe em

[grand mesa]

im a "caster" but all I have is blm

[undone tide]

level smn

[grand mesa]

i might

im a lazy piece of shit, though

!me

[undone tide]

rdm infinitely useful for prog and also doesn't have garbo dps

[undone tide]

!me

[grand mesa]

smn dps seems fine now

[undone tide]

[echo ibex]

A friend told me to lvl up both RDM and a BLM, RDM for prog and then when you know the fight BLM

[grand mesa]

I dont have the time, energy or fortitude to sit through hundreds of hours of dungeons/potd/hoh/bozja

[undone tide]

my BLM progged on BLM

[grand mesa]

i prog on blm

bc i like to know how my movement lines up w a fight

[echo ibex]

I just answered with a ''bitch i'm lazy ''

[grand mesa]

my prog contribution is help kill the boss faster

anyways

idk

ill keep playing blm, idc

[undone tide]

my prog contribution is clemency

i don't even do that

I think I have pressed clemency like

4 total times this tier

i have successfully used cover to save prog before tho

[echo ibex]

My problem with BLM in P3S is just adding more orange(Fire 4) in top of more orange

[grand mesa]

its not an issue

unless this is some attempt at humor

[echo ibex]

It was

[grand mesa]

oh.

well

u tried

[raw granite]

tf is this

there r ppl who are like that?

[undone tide]

yes

that's how optimization is lol

[ruby knoll]

BLM movement isn't even bad now

[grand mesa]

Was okay pre shb, you have a shitton of tools now by comparison

[quick verge]

I thought sb blm was the limit for movement they’d add

little did I know

[undone tide]

Tf did sb BLM have

Triple?

And BTL?

[quick verge]

yea

[undone tide]

Having to rely on procs for movement

🤢

[quick verge]

just slide

[undone tide]

Clipping for AM

[undone tide]

Curtain Call god

[echo ibex]

Completed P3S for the first time : D

[stable basin]

Gratsu

[sage summit]

Can someone explain to me what is MYTA in P3S? Or a video explaining it?

[vernal breach]

thats myta, any questions?

[sage summit]

So basically for the 1st half of FoA, Tanks grab AoEs and a cleave and invul through it? How do we guarantee we get the AoEs/cleave? (speaking from Tank PoV)

[vernal breach]

all the cones are proximity based

1 cone from each nado
3 cones from the boss itself

the tanks stand closer to the boss than the melees do

[sage summit]

so 1 DPS and 2 tanks will stay inside the boss hitbox and wait to get targetted?

then ensure we do not aim the cleave at a pt member?

[vernal breach]

just have the 2 tanks on the hitbox, and the melee at max.. melee

[sage summit]

Aight, thanks

[wet heath]

regarding the blm prog meme

I imagine it's true to an extent, but the world first team this tier had a blm when everyone was runnin rdm

[finite plank]

im starting to dislike the having tanks invuln strat for p3 tornadoes

sure, invulns aren't used anywhere else

but LL baits seem so much easier to remember now

[vernal breach]

i prefer the strat where everybody dies except the healer, and they just lb3 after the mechanic

[wet heath]

Not using invlun means 3 dps would have to position semi precisely which is usually gonna have a higher fail rate

[red canyon]

I only dislike invuln strat when one of the tanks is DRK

[raw granite]

i have no words

[drowsy agate]

nice shitpost

[quick verge]

they had a rdm and blm

[grand mesa]

just dont be bad, really

[grand mesa]

[raw granite]

i am in MINE hell now

[grand mesa]

mine?

[raw granite]

minimum item level no echo

[grand mesa]

why

[raw granite]

because i like to suffer

and i also havent cleared most exes synced so uh yeah

[grand mesa]

which fights

i might come w bc im bored

i do need to grab some dinner first though

[raw granite]

ive already cleared all of the arr exes in the free trial, its just the hw, sb and shb stuff i havent done synced

im also gonna try and do the older savages with no echo

[grand mesa]

I can probably do shb savage/ex synced

rest, i have zero interest in

[raw granite]

i can go with the shb stuff :D

ive unlocked them but never touched them, so its blind

are you coming online rn?

[grand mesa]

Not atm

[raw granite]

oh aight, ill just continue vibing on my alt

[winged spindle]

Wrong channel oops :3

[grand mesa]

progging p4p1 right now, can't find a good explanation for the first mech

is it
can't take rots stack south of boss > rot gets passed > tether takers move closer to intercept tethers from those who can't take it?

[unique sorrel]

get hit by first blood rake -> other role takes tether, get hit by second blood rake -> other role needs to take rot

ie

t/h gets hit by first bloodrake -> dps will take tethers, t/h gets 2nd blood -> dps will need the rot debuff

[grand mesa]

yeah

[unique sorrel]

you would want to stack N if ur tank/healer and S if ur dps... but if u need rot stack loosly so u dont get the immune debuff otherwise u cannot take another rot

converge/stack in front if u need tethers

[grand mesa]

what my static did was that the role who needed to take rot just spread loosely around south and take turns taking rot from people stacking south

[unique sorrel]

yeah u just have to be careful

[grand mesa]

alright

[unique sorrel]

my static has the non rot group up and the people who need it run through and then we all stack

[grand mesa]

ye

people giving rot stack south > people take > people taking tether move in towards the boss while people who dont need it stack loosely behind them > mech resolve

[unique sorrel]

yep

[echo ibex]

Can someone explain me towers?
Like, those who get hit by towers(ex, DPS into circles, H/T take teathers) is the equivalent of getting blood suck(don't remember the name sorry) at the beginning of the fight?

[unique sorrel]

yes

if u take the first tower -> other role gets tethers

if u take the second tower -> other role gets rot

t/h towers -> dps tethers
dps second towers -> t/h rot

[echo ibex]

Yeah just knowing getting hit by towers is the equivalent of bloodsuck makes it clear for me

Thanks!

[unique sorrel]

np

[echo ibex]

Can someone explain me the why of bringing to north Hesperos in P4S part 1?

[unique sorrel]

for towers?

[grand mesa]

u bring hespy to Lightning/Fire

[echo ibex]

Yes

[grand mesa]

oh

towers

uptime

melees go north

[unique sorrel]

yeah its for uptime/ease of access to tethers

[grand mesa]

hespy north means melee have access to hind intercards

for positionals

[supple sail]

????

Oh towers

I guess

[grand mesa]

his ass is free use

[reef raven]

I just ran into time up in first half of P4S with no deaths in a party at 595 gear, wtf??

[vernal breach]

sounds like people forgot to press buttons

[reef raven]

I mean at that point you'd practically have to have someone just running around

[raw latch]

I have a question regarding running older content MIL vs doing current savage content as is.
Let's say you have P1S which needs you to have average ilvl of 570, but your average ilvl is 580-590. Would running it MIL now or years down the line sync you down to 570 or some other (higher than 570) value?
Guess i'm asking whether doing older savage content mil+no echo is harder than doing current content in pre-savage BIS gear?

[verbal oak]

its mostly due to melds that theres even a difference

syncing down to any content voids any materia substats

so it would be harder just from there

but also keep in mind people didnt have just ilvl 570 gear for day 1 prog

since there was both 2 EX's and normal raid gear that was 580

[fresh marlin]

^ the sheer virtue of anything being min ilvl would be the difficulty when it’s rarely run as that even on launch

[raw latch]

I have just finished endwalker recently and previously havent done proper "endgame" on time, but I've been doing some mill bahamut coils as well alex/omega synced+echo so im just kinda curious when can i dive in to at least P1S and if its harder or easier or same difficulty as MIL+no echo because for me it seems like getting into P1 with 580 ilvl should be easier than my mentioned mil+no echo old content, but as i said, never did proper endgame so it's all fresh to me

[fresh marlin]

P1S will likely be easier just because it’s kind of… well, it’s not really difficult for a savage either way

It’s the beginning of the tier and a good kick off for many people first trying savage

[verbal oak]

coils at MINE are still a bit easier than they were at launch due to a variety of things

but also just do the content normally tbh

[fresh marlin]

Alex and omega you did have echo which is something even if it were synced

but mechanical complexity would prolly not be too far from something you might have already seen

[grand mesa]

P1s is easier than a good number of ex fights when they were on content

[fresh marlin]

just go for it and give it a shot, people who never did content prior even try and clear P1

You can be the judge of difficulty then

[raw latch]

oh yeah about those, i'm aware that something like A8S can be pretty freaking hard even if synced, but I know that there's so much missteps possible as well as so many mechanics skipped because of the sheer stat increase

[fresh marlin]

But again P1 is a simple fight because it’s literally the first fight of the raid tier

[grand mesa]

I know people who struggle with enrage on that fight though

[fresh marlin]

skips and such are eh I was seeing the full fight of e12s even in echo back in shb

[verbal oak]

yeah but terminal is cool!

[raw latch]

I mean I've done enough ex/synced savage content to probably handle myself P1S but we'll see, only done p1-4n once, will do them all again before attempting p1s.
How bad is it pugging though?

[verbal oak]

so thats a W

[fresh marlin]

It was sick

Pugging is fine

There’s nothing you can’t PF honestly

varying degrees of difficulty

but there’s guides readily available to prestabilish communications

[raw latch]

ive heard of people struggling pretty hard with p3s especially, even in proper statics :D

[fresh marlin]

PF can clear it

[verbal oak]

ye

[fresh marlin]

Try for yourself

[verbal oak]

ive seen some people have a real rough time in PF tho

[fresh marlin]

It’s just a difficult fight but PF can even clear ultimates on occasion, it’s just the players

[verbal oak]

there was this one guy you tried for like 100 hours lmao

[fresh marlin]

Obviously not with zero prep and whatever

[raw latch]

ok ill probably attempt p1s sometime this week since catching up on 580 gear is extremely easy it seems

[fresh marlin]

it’ll be simple

Make sure to catch a guide

[verbal oak]

ye, getting into raids is easy

[raw latch]

yeah ofc

[verbal oak]

devs want you actually doing the content they put out

[fresh marlin]

People who prog blind in this day and age

haha

‘Did you see a guide’ ‘no’ ‘… this is aim to clear’

really the only difference between a static and PF are the same people every week and possibly more communications but both those can be a curse if they’re bad

[raw latch]

oh yes

anyways thank you that's reassuring and I guess P1S is the best way to gauge the initial difficulty of the raids too, most 1st raids of first tier seemed extremely easy and could be done almost blind from my memory

[fresh marlin]

Yep

Many would agree in the case of p1, it took me one prog PF and we saw the whole fight and my next PF oneshotted it

[verbal oak]

e1s last expac was like as hard as an EX

[fresh marlin]

E1S was apparently easier than P1

[verbal oak]

e5 and e9 were a bit more spooky

[verbal oak]

its literally dodge and swap orbs

[fresh marlin]

e9 tiles must have been a hoot to prog blind

[verbal oak]

das it

[raw latch]

also is there an incentive to bring people who havent cleared the raid for the week so they get more coffers? I've yet to indulge into that whole 0/1/2 chest system

[fresh marlin]

Yeah that’s basically it

like todays Tuesday so nearly everyone wouldn’t have cleared for the week yet

But honestly first time clearers often kind of list as helpers welcome, chests whatever for prog and people

[verbal oak]

!faq savageloot

[storm frost]

**What floor drops what?**

In a 1-chest clear, the chest received is random

First Floor:
Chest A: 2x Accessory Coffer
Chest B: Accessory Coffer

Second Floor:
Chest A: Head/Hand/Feet Coffer + Weapon Tomestone + Accessory upgrade material
Chest B: Head/Hand/Feet Coffer

Third Floor:
Chest A: Leg Coffer
Chest B: Head/Hand/Feet Coffer + Left-side upgrade material + Weapon upgrade material

Fourth Floor:
Chest A: Weapon Coffer + Mount
Chest B: Random Weapon + Chestpiece Coffer

[verbal oak]

For reference on what drops what

[raw latch]

very cool thank you

[iron willow]

“P4s blind” means?

[vernal breach]

they aint seen shit
probably not a video or a guide or anything

[dull radish]

the term "blind" in this context generally means doing a fight without looking up any information about mechanics and such ahead of time, instead figuring it out instance by doing it.

P4S is the last fight of the current tier:
P = Pandaemonium
4 = 4th fight in the series
S = Savage version

[iron willow]

Oh I see ok thanks

I’ve look up the balance bis gears

Should I really be melding crit > dh

And not det? Unless it’s cap

I thought det was better for heals and dmg

[grand mesa]

it depends on your job

[iron willow]

Astro scholar

[vernal breach]

well you'd certainly always fit crit over det
;v

det....i hear is quite useful nowadays tho

[iron willow]

That’s what I heard too

[dull radish]

so the thing about det and dh

[iron willow]

But I’m asking cuz why would bis say dh if det is quiet useful now

[dull radish]

the value of them (for dps, you don't really care too much about the substats effect on healing) is pretty similar

det only has a slight lead in value over dh on average

[iron willow]

I’m no parse player, I’m just a casual p4s pf healer but I don’t want to burden my team

[dull radish]

but what this means is that you don't just kitchen sink all into det over dh

instead, you'll generally want some amount of both

[grand mesa]

on healers, their gear generally has so much det that dh gains more value as a meld

[dull radish]

since you don't get any dh naturally on tank/healer, that's why you end up putting dh on there yeah

[grand mesa]

yeah

[iron willow]

So put all dh

Gotcha

[grand mesa]

Crit first

Crit > DH > Det

[iron willow]

Of course

Crit cap first

[grand mesa]

SPS before all of that if you need to hit a specific gcd tier

ye

[iron willow]

That’s what I meant

I’m not having issues with sps atm it’s 2.46

I did also read that while progging it’s better to have det

But I’m at p4s now

[grand mesa]

det does increase the amount of healing your heals do

[drowsy agate]

it should also be worth mentioning that the healing bonus given by det is trash

[grand mesa]

I don't think it should be important enough to worry about, though

yeah

it's a tiny increase

[drowsy agate]

you don't meld det for its healing or its damage reduction

they're awful

you meld it for damage

[iron willow]

Oh I see

[drowsy agate]

it doesn't make enough of a difference to matter

[iron willow]

Ok thanks 🙏

[grand mesa]

just meld dh

sch does want specific gcd tiers to align chain properly

but it shouldn't be too important unless you're optimizing

[frank quiver]

Can you clear P4S P2 DPS check with role overlap?

[quick verge]

yea

it’s like week 40

[frank quiver]

LOL okay.

[echo ibex]

How is it Eden Shiva savage unsync?

Had on my mind trying to get Ramuh mount

[grand mesa]

u can skip lr now

[echo ibex]

Well luckily found a party and gonna guess it was because of their gear but we would get 60%

Even after switching to 1 tank only

[grand mesa]

could be skill issue

[echo ibex]

Will just set up a PF with high IL and try again

[sinful brook]

just do lr if you need to

even prior to expac release you could tank a couple orbs and heal through it

[echo ibex]

I mean, i can

But there are other 7 that may not know about it

[glass pine]

as long as towers do their jobs correctly you can shield and heal through LR unsync while ignoring orbs no problem

[undone tide]

This is definitely a skill issue

u don't need great gear to skip LR

[echo ibex]

I see

[mossy anchor]

What's the meaning of rDPS and aDPS i see in charts?

[steady pebble]

!faq fflogsdps

[storm frost]

What is the difference between nDPS, rDPS, pDPS and aDPS on FFLogs?

• neutral DPS (nDPS) is: Your TotalDPS minus the damage from buffs you received
• RaidDPS (rDPS) is: Your TotalDPS minus the damage from buffs you received plus the damage from buffs you contributed
• Personal DPS (pDPS) is: Your TotalDPS without being adjusted for buffs.
• adjusted DPS (aDPS) is: Your TotalDPS minus single target buffs applied to you (devilment, dragon sight, astro cards, etc)

[mossy anchor]

Oooh

I see i see

Thank you

[grand mesa]

no

could be any of the 4 intercards

you always adjust positioning for mechs based on where the red square is

[grand mesa]

[stable basin]

Hey everyone...I had a quick question about end game content (sorry if this is the wrong channel) I'm wondering how good end game is. I might stop playing wow and looking for a new mmo. I like dungeons and raids (not a huge PvPer...but do it SOMETIMES)

[drowsy agate]

end game content is good

there's several avenues you can explore depending on what you want

the conventional endgame is savage and ultimate raiding

not to burst your bubble, but before you reach endgame you're going to have to play through hundreds of hours of story

FFXIV is heavily story focused, and the story is very good as a result

PvP in FFXIV is very limited and is more like side content tucked away into a corner of the world

it's not a focus of the game

i mean, you could also buy a story skip, but that's generally recommended against

[stable basin]

Ok, thank you for the help. I know it's like a sin...but I'm not a huuuuge story driven person 👀👀👀

I really like the m+ system in wow and I'm sure ff doesn't have something like that (I do know other friends in mmos and they hate the idea of mythic+ lol so I feel it's just a wow player to like mythic+)

But man...the combat in FF looks SO sharp. Samurai and ninja look so sick.

[drowsy agate]

it's perfectly fine if you want to buy a story skip and ignore the hundreds of hours of story progress

but i'd recommend against it, a ton of ffxiv's success comes from its story

highly unlike WoW where the story went into the drain and no one takes it seriously anymore

there is nothing like mythic+ in WoW though

that's one piece of content where ffxiv has no equivalent

[stable basin]

Lol yea the wow story is at meme level...and I couldn't care less cause lore isn't huge for me. I care about how the gameplay makes me feel (engaged or not)

[drowsy agate]

ffxiv's early game doesn't do itself any favors

the story begins very very slow

it's a very slow buildup for like 60-100 hours of the early game, then all of a sudden the story explodes and becomes amazing

most classes also feel extremely boring and watered down until level 60-70

basically, for FFXIV try to enjoy the journey, it's not all about endgame here

highly unlike other MMOs where it's just "rush to endgame cuz that's where all the fun is"

[vernal breach]

Tbf that kind of is where all the fun is

[drowsy agate]

I'd disagree

sure, a ton of content is available at endgame

but FFXIV also throws little oodles of shit to do numerous times along the way

PvP full potential is unlocked as early as level 30

eureka's available at 70, mount farms available as early as 50

alliance raids, normal raids available at regular intervals between 50 to 90

not to mention, at any time, you can completely stop what you're doing and pick up a totally new class to fuck with

[mortal stone]

FFXIV actively tries to challenge the notion of “the game doesn’t actually start until endgame” that most MMOs do. The game is best played by taking your time

That said

[mortal stone]

There’s no shame in skipping if you aren’t feeling the story

You’ll have a lot thrown at you at once if you start at endgame but if you think you can handle it buy your boost

I don’t pay your sub and I also don’t buy your boost

[drowsy agate]

note that you need to buy both a story skip AND job skip though

have to buy both

or else you're gonna be level 80 MSQ with a level 1 character

also best to buy a boost for a class that starts at level 1

bit of a waste of money if you buy a level 80 boost for a class that begins at 60

[torn kindle]

You also have New Game Plus to do the story at your pace

Endwalker leveling story currently isn’t in NG+, but will be once 6.1 launches

[stable basin]

Whats new game plus?

And yea...I feel ya on the "no shame in skipping if it isn't your cup of tea" in my small FF dealings...the community is muuuch more accepting than the wow one. Lmfao

[torn kindle]

It lets you pick chapters of the story or side quest chains to play again

There’s no reward for NG+, so it’s just for experiencing the quests again

A Realm Reborn, for example, is split into 6 chapters.

4 for the leveling story, 2 for the patch story.

You can enter and exit NG+ at any time and it will pause your progress.

[stable basin]

Ah gotcha. That's kind of neat.

[jaunty yacht]

I feel a lot of wowfugees are brainwashed into buying a boost/skip because it's SOOOO fucking miserable in wow

And they might think it's as bad in this game

[cyan matrix]

so is the only option for getting il560-565 buying gear with tomestones? wanna do current level stuff but idk if i'm going about getting caught up the right way

[jaunty yacht]

560 I think is given to you by the vendor for free

In nu limsa

[cyan matrix]

oh, wish i knew that sooner lol

[jaunty yacht]

It's all left side stuff including a weapon

If you do some hunts with whatever discord Light has for it you'll cap on the green tomes too

Like very easily

So moonward isnt really a pain to get like at all

[cyan matrix]

green tomes?

[jaunty yacht]

Asphorism I think?

[cyan matrix]

the allagan tokens?

ah thought those were blue

[drowsy agate]

you can skip i560 gear

but it drops from the level 90 dungeons

if you want to get caught up, the easiest and quickest way is to buy classical i580 gear from marketboard

you can also get i580 gear from ex1, ex2, and very easily from panda normal raids

astronomy tomes buys you i590 gear but you should prioritize pieces that are part of your BiS first

[full badger]

Not sure if this is the right place, but i have a question about the endwalker ost
Thanks

[lyric summit]

this isn't the right place, and you should probably just ask your question instead of asking a question about a separate undisclosed question

probably #questions-and-help or #archived-lore-spoilers depending on what your question is

[grand mesa]

???

[minor sleet]

i ship thancred and y'oshtola

[torn kindle]

Not the channel for it.

[grand mesa]

???

[versed vapor]

for P2s dissociation, as tank, can you invuln and stand mid?

cos I can see it working for GNB/PLD

but im curious if it works for non-true invulns

[grand mesa]

You get dmg downs on other tanks unless you get a beefy enough shield and kitchen sink enough mits not to take damage... but you'd rather not spend the invuln and save it for tank busters at that point

@versed vapor

Iirc drk can tbn+sink and not take any dmg at all if they want to

Might be doable on warrior with enough help from healers but I doubt itd be worth it at that point, if they need to commit gcds for it

Also, you'd rather not take the disassociation and just stand where you'd only take dmg from cataract if you're planning on doing this

Assuming this is for avarice + dissasociation

[quick verge]

healer ogcds on war are sufficient

if they want to eat it

[versed vapor]

you dont need invuln for P2

thats why

you could even take coherence raw as a tank now

esp with BiS

[grand mesa]

yeah

im just speaking in the context of not taking dd

[versed vapor]

o well could always just coinflip it

50% chance to get fucked getting avarice lol

[grand mesa]

??

are you doing the usual strat w both avarice far and stack group close to boss

there's a little mark mid you can use as reference to stand

[versed vapor]

nah m8 just looking to uptime it for tank

figured it out

just kitchen sink it essentially

[grand mesa]

yeah

idk why youre even talking about a coinflip in that case

lol

[versed vapor]

coinflip cos if i dont uptime it

its a coinflip

for who doesnt get avarice

[grand mesa]

fair enough

[austere ocean]

I would be so mad if a DRK use LD for uptime in P2 cuz I notice the other tanks do it too for parsing

fuck LD, all my homies hate LD

[grand mesa]

You don't need ld for uptime on drk

Just tbn and sink

[vernal breach]

I do that in dungeon bosses

Like i really cant be arsed to move sometimes
And the healer would probably hate me if i got a vuln stack

tbn and sink is just so great

[stable basin]

use ld to greed
get dmg down anyway because that's not how things work
healers go on reddit to complain about drk

[cyan matrix]

is it possible to reduce the visual effects of Ifrit, Titan and Garuda II? It's kinda hard to see some mechanics like ||trial 2's weapons and the spheres of raid layer 1 and 3||

[echo ibex]

In character confi, first one, character, you can limit your and party members effects, configurate however you need

[cyan matrix]

thank you!

[echo ibex]

What IL gear we will get with the next raid?

[quick verge]

6.1 alliance raid - i590 armor
6.1 ultimate - i605 weapon
6.2 crafted - i610
6.2 normal raid - i610
6.2 tomestone - i620 & i630 aug
6.2 savage - i630 & i635 weapon

[echo ibex]

Time to learn ultimates

[grand mesa]

[ember saddle]

anyone wanna help clearing p4s on aether

[echo ibex]

In P4S, Pinax, why don't people just use Knock back resistance on water 1?
It's just the ideal, you don't have that much time to spread compared to thunder+fire/toxic so using it just gives you the window to pre position yourself for again, fire or toxic
The only argument i see it's just in case of water+cape, and I'm like, ok?
If there is water + cape that just means you didn't have a reason to use it before because it was lighting, so ok, but saving it just for cape is just dumb imo, the window to either spread or stack is just HUGE, you have perfectly like 5 seconds to move around and re organize, so, can someone explain me why people just don't do this?

[undone tide]

because not using kb immune for cape is dumb

first of all, you can get full uptime on water just by moving the boss. If you die because you didn't spread or fucked up the stack then idk if u should be on a 4th floor

second of all cape is very annoying for jobs like reaper, which don't have true gap closers and thus can't mitigate the cape well without timing it very very well

Also you could simply just get knocked back to your spread spot if it's poison

[frank quiver]

Even as ranged, I find it easier to adjust for water than for cape, tbh. I tried both, but water into stuff isn’t that difficult.

[undone tide]

And pop Sprint if you're a melee or tank

like if u just use sprint

all of your problems with water first will

go away

[sinful brook]

As a war it's fine to kb immune the water since ir will be available for cape

But otherwise getting knocked for cape sucks a lot more tbh

[nova socket]

I just immune water and gapclose cape if needed

[cyan matrix]

Would y'all say P1 savage is on the easier side of savage content? Or is this what i can expect savage content to be like?

[sinful brook]

It's on the level of an extreme fight

This tier in general hasn't been too harsh

But it is the first tier for an expansion so it's meant to be easier

[cyan matrix]

Ah ok that makes sense

[undone tide]

pf players when they see p3s

shit forgot to turn off mention

[sinful brook]

👀

p3s is a step up from the first 2 floors

but pf can handle it 🙂

[undone tide]

no it can't

[frank quiver]

^

Our static memed for 3h on P3S. It’s simple, but…

It has traps.

Also, the firestorm part is hell for anyone who lags. :’)

[undone tide]

3 hours

My static gets that shit in like 1-3 pulls every week

[frank quiver]

LOL congrats.

[sinful brook]

pf can do it p3s just fine

[frank quiver]

Last time I tried clearing P3S with PF, it was a nightmare. But maybe it’s gotten better.

That was earlier on.

[sinful brook]

i cleared it since w2 in pf

its doable

[frank quiver]

Well, definitely doable.

Just not consistent.

[sinful brook]

thats pretty much every pf though

[frank quiver]

True.

[sinful brook]

its not like p3s in particular is impossible

pf equally struggles on pinax and fourfold chains alike

[frank quiver]

Huh, PF struggles on fourfold? That sucks.

[undone tide]

intemp

exists lmao

[frank quiver]

I thought PF just made tanks take the DD?

[undone tide]

some do

some say they aren't and actually give whole in party dd

Some actually do the mechanic

[vernal breach]

alright so apparently pot timing matters
whens the latest that i can actually

[raw granite]

Is overmelded crafted gear preferable over the unique bis gear?

[torn kindle]

99% of the time, no

The increase in defense and main stats are almost always better than more secondary stats

[raw granite]

so I should focus on getting BiS > pentameld?

[torn kindle]

Yeah

Meld as much as you can, but don’t worry about pentamelds

[raw granite]

ok ty

[grand mesa]

If you really want to squeeze as much as you can from crafted you can consider overmelding with 8s and 7s

[echo ibex]

How is that autos do so much damage

[lyric summit]

all physical job have autos around that amount %

[grand mesa]

Phys jobs have powerful autos, yeah.

[echo ibex]

Damn

I really underestimated autos

[drowsy agate]

important to mention that max melee range isn't the same as max auto attack range

max auto attack range is closer

so if a melee class is standing at the very edge where they can cast their abilities, they aren't autoing

[grand mesa]

Aren't they both 3y

[drowsy agate]

unless something changed in endwalker, the ranges are different

tank in my static mentioned trying to get max auto range in TEA and in Eden's promise

2.5y for auto range apparently vs 3y for melee weapons kills according to google

[grand mesa]

I'll go check later

I don't play melee so I haven't had to worry much abt this

I do try to get autottacks on whenever I can remember to because staff whacks are funny as shit to hear mid fight

[quick verge]

auto attack range is a meme

it exists in the overworld or on dummies

but in instances i haven't ever noticed a difference between max aa range and max melee gcd range

[grand mesa]

So, literally don't worry abt it

[echo ibex]

https://youtu.be/gWLiDt8BBR4

Was looking for curtain call examples to give myself a clearer idea and found this, what do you guys think?

[wet heath]

Meme strat

Requires you to blow all your mits and it only skips 1 cc

[quick verge]

skip both

[raw granite]

So 3rd p2s flow is timeline is

short flow resolve > stack > long flow resolve > stack??

[vernal breach]

you dont ahve to stack after you resolve the long flow but like.. you might as well do that cuz why not?

the stacking after the short flow resolves is pretty important :v

[sick cape]

any tl:dr to determine the safe spot in act2?

[undone tide]

Look at north. If the left one is tethered, it's N/S safe. If right is tethered it's E/W safe

Pretty sure that's what it is, but I'm not the one figuring it out so may be wrong

[vernal breach]

i look at the east tower cuz theres nobody standing there blocking my view lol
if it tethers to left tower, E/W safe, if it doesnt... well N/S is safe

same idea

[sick cape]

i see, thanks!

[compact lark]

can anyone give me your easiest way to resolve p4s pinax 1 and 2 for my monkey brain
or just a tip that might help clicks on my monkeh brain

[vernal breach]

i dont think theres like... an easier way to resolve pinax tbh
the 4 effects is really just
proximity damage, resolved by standing far away
knock back, resolved by standing nearby
spread, spread
stack, stack

lol

[compact lark]

yizz yizz its just

theres something

needs to click on my monkey brain haha

im just looking for tips

[vernal breach]

step 1. Check if Blue or White pinax (its always one of these 2) is going off first
basically decides whether you wanna stand by the wall or stand in the center
step 2. are you standing on a square thats ejaculating any sort of orange, blue, green or...white fluids? stop standing on it, thats dumb

[compact lark]

and also the shift is it basically where the safe place will be?

[vernal breach]

if theres a white and green pinax combo, use the white to knock back to approximately where your assigned spread position is

and yes, hepatitis' cast bar for shift tells you wat direction to go

its either a big knock back, or a big frontal cleave when he shifts

[compact lark]

okey thanks for the tip yeti,

[vernal breach]

i usually keep my eyes on North during the entirety of pinax in preparation, this helps me but some people can identify their positions really quickly

[compact lark]

i see for orientation

[vernal breach]

mhm

[compact lark]

this mechanic gives me scary nightmare at nights. i know its easy for others

but yeah haha

[vernal breach]

spread mechanics have been the biggest killers in all of savage prog history 🤷‍♀️

[serene dirge]

Maybe this isn't endgame stuff but relic weapons. I need to do fates and I'm wondering, is there a way to guarantee a specific fate to spawn or is it COMEPLETLY 100% luck?

[verbal oak]

luck pretty much

you can just world visit to other servers to see if its up there

mor dhona has 3 instances so 3x the chance on of the ones you need are spawned

[serene dirge]

how do i enter a different instance?

[verbal oak]

go to the main aytherite and click it, theres a menu for it there

pretty much the same as world visit if you know that, just another option

[serene dirge]

Thank you

[raw granite]

Whats tome capping?

Literally only heard of it until now, watching a streamer doing something like that w/ p1s @.@

[lyric summit]

when you reach the max amount of tomestones you can get/hold

level 90 has one uncapped tome you can farm and hold 2000 like poetics, and one weekly capped tome which you can only get 450 of per week

[verbal oak]

wait werent you like doing savage like a few weeks ago?

or am i goin crazy

[raw granite]

weeks? i did one a week ago lmao

[verbal oak]

ah ok

i just hope youve been capping you astronomy tomes then

[raw granite]

yeah i have been ^^

i capped mine for the week, ill do some p1s reclears tomorrow and hopefully clear p2s as well

[verbal oak]

nice, go kill that sewer boi and have some fun!

[raw granite]

i finally got overflow 3 down i just need that clear 😭

hopefully my static finds the last members soon to get ready for p3s ,,

we will be in hell </3

[verbal oak]

im right there with ya

god im so ready to be reclearing that fight

its just really goot at killing bad players (me)

[raw granite]

haha same with p2s

i kept getting confused at 3rd flow but i got the timeline now

decided not to attempt it today since its a monday x.x

[verbal oak]

ye that last one with coherence took a while

[raw granite]

my brain keeps thinking that there's circle aoes 💀

[compact lark]

Hello, so i have this monkey brain of mine, tell me its correct regarding in p4s pinax.
so when i do the first pinax ill just resolve it normally cause its easy. the second one i go the correct direction and go past the boss, 60%casting time pop surecast, without looking whats the boss is casting or is it cape or sword, and ill just resolve the healer/spread in last. does it resolve the mechanics?

caause this one finally pops in my brain. too much happening in .... shift

[sinful brook]

i mean sure it should theoretically resolve it if you surecast every time and assuming you're standing at the edge of the arena to not get sliced by sword

and then resolve spread/stack

[compact lark]

cause this strat for my doesnt overload my monkey brain, chan is it reliable? this mechanic is the only one im having prob in p1

[sinful brook]

i see the idea you're trying to go for

you're trying to ignore whether its lightning/water second

[compact lark]

this doent need for me to watch is it cape, is it kb? is it out?

[sinful brook]

and whether its cape/sword

[compact lark]

yes

the part 2 only

the shift one

[sinful brook]

as long as you stand in a way that you're safe from sword it should be fine

[compact lark]

yez behind boss 60%casting time

right? finally

my monkey brain

[sinful brook]

behind the boss?

no

[compact lark]

behind boss after he jumps

[sinful brook]

you have to be at the wall that he'll dash to

[compact lark]

so itss defo wall

in other terms

@sinful brookcan this strat do it chann? omg

[sinful brook]

it should? since it eliminates everything out of the equation except for stack/spread

[compact lark]

yizzz

omg

[sinful brook]

i do get that its a lot to parse through

but you can start thinking about it from first pinax

[compact lark]

this one like no brain right? even i can do diz

first i dont mind itz easy

[frank quiver]

Nah, they're saying "you can start thinking about it from first Pinax" as in-- you can start planning since then.

For instance, if first Pinax = Lightning/Fire.

You know for sure that second Pinax = Water/Poison.

That way, all you'd need to pay attention is sword vs. cape.

[compact lark]

ahh yizz, i know whats coming, but when it has cape/sword and the right direction my brain explodes

[frank quiver]

Ah, gotcha. If it helps, the boss always faces north before casting sword vs. cape.

So you can run center and just watch the boss to orient yourself.

[compact lark]

i think im the only one has prob in pinax damn

peepz really learn fast

[frank quiver]

Nah, you're fine. Folks meme on Pinax all the time. I ran east instead of west yesterday, haha.

It happens quickly, so it's easy to derp.

[compact lark]

im a blm main so i have AM on designated healer, so my monkey strat works

right?

gotta do what u gotta do

[frank quiver]

LOL whatever works. Just make sure your healer knows what they're doing, haha.

[compact lark]

indeed

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-cooper-pray-gif-23741777

[stiff hull]

what's the etiquette on joining savage reclears if i had already cleared for the week? i wanted to fish for chest drops because my rolls are consistently terrible'

[lyric summit]

you can't see loot if you already cleared

you cant get 1 chest loot

so not much point if you're only after the loot

[stiff hull]

so basically, if i have shit luck i should resign myself to just collecting books

[lyric summit]

yes

[grand mesa]

Welcome to loot gacha

[old sparrow]

Why is it so hard to get into any raid other than CT or Rabanastre stuff

[verbal oak]

because of the value of certain alliance raids

CT and Ivalice raids unlock stuff

void ark and nier dont

[grand mesa]

More people hard queuing for ct

What does iva unlock?

I genuinely don't remember.

I'm p sure ct is the only msq requirement

[verbal oak]

bozja

honestly they prolly could have gotten away with not making it an unlock

[grand mesa]

Ah, right.

[old sparrow]

Isn't void ark stuff also needed for bozja artifact?

[fresh marlin]

you can use the other step but yes

[torn kindle]

void ark isn't an explicit requirement

it's just a method you can use for one of the steps instead of fate farming

[solar wraith]

Direct hit is better than det?

[verbal oak]

depends on the job, i think its equal for DRG

[solar wraith]

I'm rpr

[verbal oak]

but the crafted gear can be pentamelded

[solar wraith]

Ahh

[verbal oak]

so its better

[solar wraith]

Okay, ty

[verbal oak]

590 gear is better than 580 penta tho

!faq balance

[storm frost]

The Balance

Discord

[solar wraith]

This is 580 gear

[verbal oak]

this server has all the melding info for every job

[verbal oak]

yep

[solar wraith]

Still trying to save my astronomy for 590 gear

[steady pebble]

honestly i wouldnt bother with pentamelding at this point

but i would just go with the classical gear anyway

since crit/dh is generally better but det and dh are close enough that its kind of moot

[quick verge]

just pick the one that balances your dh and det ratio

[dull radish]

Det on average is stronger than dh now, but the margin between the two is slimmer than ever. If your overall stats have more det than dh, you should probably go dh. If you have more dh than det, or if they're relatively close, then det will often be stronger

[quick verge]

generally

[steady pebble]

didnt realize that det had ecked out over dh

[verbal oak]

yeah they kinda shadowbuffed it in 6.0

[dull radish]

Det buff was decent and they were already real close yeah

[verbal oak]

the patch note was literally "buffed det"

thats it

[steady pebble]

i know they had buffed it

[verbal oak]

guess they wanted to run the balance nerds out for a bit

[steady pebble]

And i know that dh and det had basically come in line with each other

but i had thought that dh had a slight edge on det

[dull radish]

Even in shb det and dh were closer in value than a lot of people assumed, even back then you wanted a decent amount of each. But yeah

[quick verge]

the church of det making me meld it to get full value from my food 😔

[steady pebble]

don't let them bully you, biscuit

[sinful brook]

Imagine having to take dh as well

No decision monkey brain it

[verbal oak]

i was used to not taking dh since i played WAR and MCH for a long time

[quick verge]

DH is/was fine on mch

just the ratio was a bit skewed towards taking more det

[stable basin]

i skipped every cutscene and dialog till max level do i deserver to go to jail?

[verbal oak]

Nah

[wet heath]

Yes

[echo ibex]

There are 2 types of people

[fresh marlin]

If you moan about lore being shit then you deserve to go jail

if you don’t then lol

[stable basin]

No, just go raid

Story is shit anyway /s

[modern dome]

For the last few MSQ for endwalker, what gear do they give you?

[torn kindle]

The level 89/90 job set

You’ll have to do sidequests for level 88 accessories

[nova socket]

you won't need em anyways cus 530 is more than enough

[undone tide]

(not to say you shouldn't get those sets)

[fresh marlin]

well side quests for accessories aren’t necessary

[grand mesa]

I just use nm raid/ex accessories

dungeon/tome's enough for leveling if youre needing on rolls for upgrades whenever you can

[vernal breach]

trying to do ex trials in march 2022 be like: ilvl590 req.

[reef raven]

To be fair since many are going for 99 runs to get the mount, any shorter the clear time the better

I see plenty of 560/570 for just clear parties

[nova socket]

yeh I did that with af gear + right side lv80 theyre free but rn if you don't have like at least crafted gear you're kinda griefing

[fresh marlin]

Oh I thought this was about the 89 dungeon

If you’re capped just work on tome gear or crafted or whatever

But no one’s going to haul your ass in 89 because you’re in 530 accessories

[undone tide]

i did 80 to 89 in my promise bis

[raw granite]

Does anyone have the p2s waymarks I can import into the dalamud plugin? mine are really fucked and messy

[austere ocean]

You can join any p2s party and steal their marker. Or if no one have it, it’s simple to make them

Just 1,2,3,4 on the floor starting from north and A B C D being on the outer corner of the grate

A should be NW I think?

[frank quiver]

Ye. You don’t really need the markers either, tbh.

[vernal breach]

trying to do limit cut w/o markers in PF

[naive shale]

is it preferable to keep baha at 1 tank only or would co tank needed to help mt mitigate some of the flatten and flare breath?

and if that is the case any suggestion at which place i would ask my co tank to help me mitigate?

sorry im not sure whether to ask here or tank lounge but eh x-x

[stable basin]

Most tanks can hold Bahamut for most of the phase if they really want, but the healers would probably prefer at least one swap so one tank isn't just doing nothing with their mits

this is what I wrote in the drk ulti guide

YMMV

But Fellruin is probably where you'd most want to do a swap

[naive shale]

It's only quick swap right? Sorry for late respond ×_×

[naive shale]

Also can tank invul either 3rd or 4th ark morn? Referring to golden phase

[stable basin]

Swap for however long you need to

I usually hold Bahamut for the entire phase with only a cover for the post-fellruin flatten+second flare

2mins on the first triple flare will be back up for the second at any rate so you could say swap at fellruin cast->swap back at heavensfall cast

and then you could swap again at tenstrike cast if you wanted

People usually invuln first+third or second+third akh morn

timing on fourth is tight but I think it's technically doable

I think second+third is better than first+third though

[raw granite]

Got my p2s clear!! @grand mesa :D

[grand mesa]

Congrats!

[raw granite]

TYSM!!! IM SO GLAD 😭

I can help my static with some reclears now

[wet heath]

[naive shale]

Ah ok then thankies cat o/

[stable basin]

reminds me I need to update that guide with endwalker specific stuff

[raw granite]

my status says it all

but now i have to do it 11 more times to get gear 😔

[naive shale]

Oh

U mean delirium usage?

[stable basin]

mostly yeah

plus new bis

and prolly flesh out the early phase ucob stuff a bit more

and redo openers

[naive shale]

I see

[slender hull]

🤔 one question, can ex2 do with 1 healer? If can how?

Cuz i saw people are doing with 1 healer in pf

[drowsy agate]

spoiler mark please

use ex1 or ex2 to refer to level 90 extremes

and yes, as you can see, 1 healer is obviously possible

the healer needs to know the fight well

[torn kindle]

It’d be pretty RNG due to the water stacks, I think

[sinful brook]

1 tank is less rng

[stable basin]

probably super mit healer and stack everyone else

[torn kindle]

1 healer EX1 is 100% doable though

[torn kindle]

Sounds brutal for the add phase though

[sinful brook]

just invuln idk

[quick verge]

we have i600 now so just

tank with ur inflated hp pool

and skip relevant mechanics

[undone tide]

bold to assume people doing extremes are i600

[wheat marsh]

easier to grind mount is 600 gear. though if you're in a static and want to grind you probably don't need a specialized group to speed through it.

[drowsy agate]

pld covers healer for stack

tbh it's probably shitterable with strong gear

[wheat marsh]

not really XD

2 weeks ago had a group that couldn't clear add phase

[drowsy agate]

when stacks come out, healer stays put, other stacker moves, remaining 6 players fuckle about into a group

or am I thinking of a different stack? can't remember if ex2 stacks are telegraphed

it's been months since I last cleared it

[wheat marsh]

not telegraphed enough for terribad people XD

the stack with the chakrams isn't

or at least i never really see it, just know its there XD

[drowsy agate]

yeah well the hopeful assumption is that if a party is advertising single tank or healer setup, the people in it aren't sniffing glue

[covert lotus]

1 healer 2 tanks results in water stacks targeting tanks, 1 healer 1 tank is both of them get water, not much rng there

you just split light parties based on that and you're fine

[torn kindle]

:0

[vernal breach]

isnt that flan?

i thought that ones obsessed with pudding

[supple sail]

more #916247709462200390 than #endgame-lounge lol

[vernal breach]

i dont recal lthose 2 being the same thing

[supple sail]

Pudding is a broad word

but that's what pudding usually refers to in Japan

[torn kindle]

||Also the Loporrits don't have a firm grasp on the finer details of life on Hydaelyn||

[undone berry]

is there a way to see how much damage was blocked by mitig skills in fflogs?

[wheat marsh]

Pudding as the US and UK knows is pretty much its own thing, the most other places know is custard, still not quite the same?

[dusk sapphire]

Failing Intemperance should kill the whole party, dont @ me

(I hate Braindead intemp)

[echo ibex]

Same

It's not even that hard and people is just setting themselves to more lazy strats in the future

[vernal breach]

my static hasnt bothered to learn joonbob intemp, its hilarious

fortunately we dont do p1s anymore

[ember cosmos]

i get why some people dont like braindead but i dont see why people make such a huge deal out of using it unless they are trying for a high parse, in which case they should join a parse run not a standard clear run
and honestly i prefer braindead in PF
why? because i dont want to rely on random people to do any more than they have to, the more stuff they have to do the more stuff they can screw up and in PF i want to reduce those chances as much as possible
it would be a different story if that one damage down on a tank meant the difference between a wipe and a clear but the dps check on that fight is lenient enough that if you are at the point where that damage down decided if you wiped or cleared you clearly have other problems

[wheat flame]

I think that its fair to thing to say the all braindead strats are good for pf

I just think its a problem when the standards are so low that doing the bare minimum is no expected

but its not like it gonna change ever

[ember cosmos]

i get what you are saying but its PF lol the bare minimum is all you really can expect from random strangers and i see people screw even that up on a regular basis

i would rather NOT ask more of them

[wheat flame]

I mean I agree with you

[ember cosmos]

in the cases where i do need to use PF anyway
i do have a static but sometimes life happens lol

[wheat flame]

but thats the problem but its not like anything can be done

[ember cosmos]

yeah sorry i could see that but i do tend to harp on about things, its a personality issue

[echo ibex]

Because If you're already avoiding a mech this easy what will happen when you reach P3 and P4
You're just setting yourself to a braindead minimum instead of just learning it
It's not like THE WHOLE PARTY has to adjust to something, literally one tank and one DPS, Wich you can agree to choose between the 4 of them
Joonbob made it simple enough, you have ice, you go up then down
You have fire, literally at the side and do nothing else
Sure, do DMG down, but i really don't want to find you on the other savages because I'll just assume you're too lazy to try to learn a simple mech like that

[ember cosmos]

in a static i agree, but i dont trust PF in the slightest

[echo ibex]

If your problem is random people in this case you would be more concerned about four fould not intemp

[vernal reef]

As melee DPS in P4S

When should I KB immune in Pinax?

[ember cosmos]

lmao you say that but the number of people i see screw up even braindead intemp is astonishing
and this is in groups that require duty completion to join

[echo ibex]

Only in the second part(of pinax), done waste it on water if it comes first, it's easy to just adjust

[stable basin]

Doing a mechanic wrong because you're not the one being punished is a shit attitude that shouldn't be encouraged in PF

[echo ibex]

Then, watch closely of you get water+cape, in this case use it at 70% on the cast AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE AT ALL, it's free damage for you

If it's sword just half the way in your way to dodge sword to the wall

[echo ibex]

That's why a lot of people think doing intemp wrong should just kill you

Wich i now agree

[ember cosmos]

in principle i agree,
in reality, at least in my experience, i cant trust people in pf NOT to screw things up

[echo ibex]

Bro

After the reclear you just won't see it anymore

This just applies to pre clear

[ember cosmos]

lmao
you have better luck than me

[echo ibex]

If i have to be fair people and some guides tend to overcomplicate it more than it is

[ember cosmos]

in the cases where i have had to use PF cus life happened an i couldnt run wiht my static I have never once gotten a clean kill on either p1s or p2s it always has taken me several attempts and usually multiple groups

[echo ibex]

"Oh yeah you now have to look at the arm and then based on this go 180 cw to the best stay and then go down and yada yada"

When you just can say

"You have ice go up then down"

You have fire move to the left and don't move

[frank quiver]

For intemperance, even the correct way to do it just involves MT, OT, and phys range adjusting. Not like the whole party is involved.

[sinful brook]

It's not even about whether you want a decent parse or not

[echo ibex]

I always do it as a meele and no prob

[sinful brook]

It just feels bad for one person to be punished because people refuse to learn

[frank quiver]

Well, if you’re fine with that— go for it. I just figure phys range has least to lose.

[echo ibex]

In the first fight

[sinful brook]

It's not even like the bar is that high

[ember cosmos]

not really, the hit box on that boss is freakin enormous

[echo ibex]

RPR dash go brr

[ember cosmos]

again i dont disagree in principle and ii do understand
but its PF
setting you expectations at anything above bare minimum is asking for dissapointment
especially when, and again this is in my experience, even clear/reclear groups regularly fail at the bare minimum

[sinful brook]

Having done every tier in pf

You do get enough people who can do it

Set your bar a little higher

[echo ibex]

I'm going to give you your new best friend for savages

I present you

Blacklist

Can be a bit scary but he's a food boi

[sinful brook]

This is literally first tier of expansion

[ember cosmos]

yeah, no
as i said every time ive run PF for p1s and p2s for a clear/reclear ive always taken multiple attempts and often multiple groups
but then again i have the shittiest luck you can imagine so maybe its just me
but even if it is i wont set my expectations higher because of that

[vernal breach]

my static can oneshot p3s but cant do joonbob intempt 🤷‍♀️

i dont know how i feel about these lads

[sinful brook]

There's stuff like light rampant and basic relativity on the way

[wheat flame]

funny thing is, we struggle in P1s the most during reclears

[echo ibex]

1. 3 pull rule, go in, 3 pulls, you fail? leave.
   2.blacklist bb, that shitty person who non stop failed? You're not going to see them again

[wheat flame]

we wipe there like few times instead of oneshot

[vernal breach]

act 2 or w.e already kinda feels like a basic relativity thing

i find it harder than basic atleast

[echo ibex]

It's sad because only 2 have to do the job really

The other ones are fixed

[vernal breach]

apoc 2 is that real shit tho, specially for the tanks

[echo ibex]

I mean not saying you to just not do any mistakes but at least know you know what to do perse

I still struggle in intemp 2 with in and out

[stable basin]

for sure

[wheat flame]

we joke about that every tuesday its time for P1s prog

[stable basin]

doing braindead is practical

but it's just like

[undone tide]

braindead usually implies they can't do shackles either

[wheat marsh]

i feel ya about PF luck XD

[austere ocean]

Tbf most people don’t need P1 and 2 anymore

My 2 statics been skipping it to 3 and 4

Esp for P1, the book is useless beside to buy the accessories

And not a lot of people farm BiS for all jobs either

And this tier is almost 3 months old now so a lot of people who got gear carried or just being carried have cleared

I ran into a static that did the most stupid intemp strat aka the all 8 people rotate cw depends on if it’s top to bottom or bottom to top

And I asked them if any dps know how to flex, none of them do. And the tanks were dead set on not taking damage down

And when I ask if the tanks know how to flex themself, they also don’t know that either and they aren’t willing to learn

I was a healer and I offer to flex for them

This kind of mind set is why bad players stay bad and just because you clear a fight doesn’t mean you are good at it, even after hours of progging

[vernal breach]

i really have no idea how people stay bad after hours of progging, me and 500 wipes before a clear practically makes me an expert

[austere ocean]

Well life finds a way, or in this case, people who are not willing to learn

It’s the same people that would say “no I don’t want advice, literally just levelling this job and never touch it again for 2 years”

[vernal breach]

bro, i wish i could get carried

i'd be so happy

[austere ocean]

that’s why bad people stay bad

It’s easier to get carried as a dps. You could have a really bad run and still clear

Not like savage is particularly hard once you see it enough

Sure optimization to be above purple is annoying but really, the bare minimum to clear isn’t that much. Maybe if it’s week 1 min ilvl gear

But it’s week 200000 and everyone and their grandma has at least 590

What’s even worse is you see healers, the bad ones also get carried and no one would say anything about it. I saw whm with 2K dps cleared the tier

[vale dagger]

What does PF mean when they say 1/4 and 2/3 or 1/3 and 2/4?

For P3S

[vernal breach]

it sounds like something related to limit cut..

[austere ocean]

there’s LC in P3s?

[austere ocean]

For add provoke

For tanks

Usually G1 is 1 /3 G2 2/4

[finite plank]

dice

anyways

wdym add provoke

just stand at a NW/SE intercard, aoe and pull to a cardinal

[vale dagger]

For FoF range?

[austere ocean]

No

For add phase

[vale dagger]

I mean for FoF where should I be at for that if I pick 3

[austere ocean]

Pug usually tmr so in front of 3rd healer fountain or between 3rd and 4th fountain

[austere ocean]

Aether got markers for it LP 1 tank provoke the ones spawn at 1/3 and LP 2 tank profile the one spawn at 2/4

Or 1/2 3/4 or sth

But it’s the same with standing at an intercard, just easier to put it down that way I suppose

Yea I think it’s 1/2 is LP 1 and 3/4 is LP 2

[vagrant needle]

Hi, I started playing about 5 months ago so this is my first time trying to do savage (that’s current content) and I’m kinda struggling with Intemperance in P1S. I’m the flex melee on south east. Will it ALWAYS be one of these 3 patterns? And if it’s triple ice south does the boss’ hand position not matter?

[mortal stone]

If you’re doing the strat where a DPS and tank switches those should be the only situations you’re in

Some groups do a strat where the whole party rotates for the third take

Pf just ignores the mechanic

For this strat I think the better way to think about it is to analyze how your tank buddy is supposed to move and adjust/not adjust accordingly

If it’s clear that the tank can’t take all 3 without moving, that’s where you jump in

[vagrant needle]

so I should look at how the south tank has to position?

[undone tide]

If south is triple ice you don't have to adjust

[vagrant needle]

and do I always go back to my starting square?

[undone tide]

you'd be going SE > S > SE

[umbral cape]

Hey, just wondering how long is thre last mission. Timewise that is

[torn kindle]

Endwalker quest? easily over 2 hours depending on how fast you read

and also queue times for the dungeon and trial

[wheat marsh]

you can segment between the dungeon and trial if you need a break

[true beacon]

how soloable is Thordan EX?

[fresh marlin]

Very

[true beacon]

without a tank?

[fresh marlin]

Idk how you did it now but I did it in shadowbringers

Pretty sure there’s a video on YouTube of a rdm in shb

I did it on pld

Should be easier now

[steady pebble]

you can do it without tank ye

just need to make sure you kill him before you get stunned by...zepharim? i think it is

[true beacon]

only 90's I have are whm and rpr

[steady pebble]

whm may not have the dps for it

but reaper probably would

[fresh marlin]

Tbh I killed it with the stun

LMAO

I swear to god it was a fluke because I didn’t even time hallowed right and it had killed me about twenty times before

got the bird and never did it again

[steady pebble]

Tank you can just invul shortly after stun wears off but dps have to kill either before or during so thordan doesn't hit you with the tb

[true beacon]

made it further with whm than rpr

[umbral cape]

BTW; who was the last weird hair coloured dude?

[true beacon]

who?

[vernal breach]

at the very very end of 6.0, that guy

[drowsy agate]

if this is true then you just need to burst harder

rpr has more than enough healing to outlast that ex

[true beacon]

I got iced in the duo

[potent laurel]

Thordan has a lot of downtime but once you get to the duo make sure to burst just one down, it’s doable with a 80 tank

[torn kindle]

Yeah don’t use any long damage cooldowns at the start

It force transitions at 70% or so, IIRC

[silver bane]

Someone did ultimate here?

[vernal breach]

n0pe

[raw granite]

is Warder's Wrath magic damage or physical dmg? the addon im using displays it as magic damage

[drowsy agate]

if your add-on displays it as magic, it's almost certainly correct

but either way, that's a raidwide in p1s and most raidwides are magic anyway

[quick verge]

warder’s wrath is phys

[drowsy agate]

that addon is shit then

but at least addle still works on physical raidwides now since the EW changes

[torn mesa]

the addon from XIVLauncher displays it as physical

[drowsy agate]

idk what sketchy addon they're using

you'd think any decent addon would be correct about damage type

[thorn plaza]

Honest question why don't they just simplify mitigation like addle and feint and just make them like Blue's bad breath

Just a general damage down

[swift chasm]

so if i'm melee and there's spread markers on the whole party... do i stay and let the mages/rdps run away

same question for tank ig

[thorn plaza]

I'm pretty sure you'd bail, you'd be fucking up the tanks too

And if the tanks die

You got a loose boss

[swift chasm]

well, the tanks and melee(s) could crowd around the boss

but probably not more?

[thorn plaza]

Nobody wants a loose boss

[drowsy agate]

no, most of the time melee DPS stay in

almost every savage spread aoe is small enough to allow 4-5 players to remain in melee range of the boss

3 melee comps make people cry but they're doable provided everyone is max melee from the boss

it makes me super mald when I see melee DPS run the fuck to Narnia for a spread aoe that they could have easily just stepped 2 inches to the side for

[thorn plaza]

If push comes to shove a few melee dps at least have a ranged attack that while not doing a lot of damage, it's better than nothing.

[drowsy agate]

there are very

few situations

where you need to ranged GCD to keep uptime

but yea it's your best option if you have to run out

you're better off trying to figure out how to greed melee uptime

p1s is pretty much a full uptime fight

I guess in p2s if you get assigned far stack for predatory avarice 2 you'd have to

but yeah, for a standard spread marker you absolutely should stay in melee range and let the ranged move

[reef raven]

Where does one find the per server stats on savage completion?

[reef raven]

NVM found it here
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1684254/blog/4972518/

[quick verge]

you just put the close stack further in the boss and the 2nd in melee/max melee

p3s and p4s p1 are basically full uptime

p4 p2 is variable in the amount of downtime you’ll take

[sinful brook]

For pbaoe circles on large enough bosses you could spread and fit 6 people around the boss

[undone tide]

not that you'd want to

real gamers run 1 melee 2 caster 1 physranged

I am not a real gamer

[verbal oak]

8 mch is the real man’s comp

[weary bone]

6 MNK

[frank quiver]

Actually, why do folks run two melee over two casters (in endgame content)? It seems like BLM deals comparable DPS to melee anyways.

[lyric summit]

cause there's 100 good melees for 1 good blm