#endgame-lounge
grand mesa
cerulean crow
although this one is more informative
grand mesa
math is hard.........
subtle marsh
Yes it is...
vernal breach
The first 2 minutes of every raid is me alt tabbed waiting for the party to discuss strategy and assign positions
then i hear the countdown, come back to the game
And to my surprise..l do all me positions correct despite not readin any of it
Cuz its like the same fucking thing everytime
golden slate
LOL wait P2s overflow macros??
I’d forget my spot the second we reach the mechanic
Also wait isn’t it rng 
vernal breach
U could still set up positions even if who gets the rings is a coin flip
NOt that i’d bother
full wave
although this one is more informative
Wait is this all the mechanic is
This is the same strat for Diamond Weapon
This is what's walling pf?
cerulean crow
Yes.
No, not really
But kind of, lots of people fail there, groups get dissolved, people get discouraged
Leading to less groups making progress, etc
vernal breach
Getting discouraged over that?
quick verge
i mean the most discouraging thing about the fight is the eye strain
sinful brook
The filter sorta helps but it desaturates everything
echo ibex
Is P3S worth my mental sanity?
drowsy agate
do you want it as a mount?
quick verge
might as well do the whole tier
echo ibex
do you want it as a mount?
Not really
weary bone
I wish my static hadn't collapsed 
We would been progging P4S already, if not cleared it
verbal oak
Same here
Well my other static was goin hardcore and I decided 5 nights a week was not my jam
weary bone
Unfortunately our raid leader got poached by his FC to do Ultimate content, and an indeterminate number of others unsubbed once their month ran out
echo ibex
Wait you guys have statics?
vernal breach
My static is hilarious holding together despite people dropping out for surprise unemployment, injury and surgery, and general inability to wake up at 8pm
Lmaoo
glass pine
man our gnb dropped out yesterday cause they couldn't pay their internet bill
some unfortunate circumstances people are living in
undone berry
what does L>R in pf mean?
dusk sapphire
what does L>R in pf mean?
what fight?
cuz that sounds like left to right...but idk
lyric summit
probably left > right? not much without context of a fight
finite plank
L>R means starting from left to right of loot
finite plank
1-[2~4] means starting from first to [numbered] tier
there's a lot of EN dumbfucks in ele that still don't know what 1-4 means somehow
undone berry
something like this
undone berry
L>R means starting from left to right of loot
does that mean, the party will roll for the leftmost loot first, before rolling for the next?
sinful brook
Yes
vernal breach
Order matters?
I just roll need on all and wait for people to look up bis lists or watever it takes for them to decide what they want
sinful brook
Only if the pf indicates it
vernal breach
Whats the difference in result with a different order..or any order at all
sinful brook
Jp etiquette often has that as a means to guide pf/df such that gear is more evenly spread
If you win something you leave the instancw
vernal breach
Egad, etiquette
sinful brook
So that you don't have one Grey parser winning every piece
vernal breach
Well that doth sound kinda nice
trim sage
Which is better for endgame, bard or dancer?
storm frostBOT
short rock
They all have the duty complete/completion tag
doesn't that restrict you from entering
quick verge
duty completion doesn't prevent you from joining
it just indicates that the lead wants to clear
duty complete does tho
short rock
aha thanks for clarifying
weary bone
as a mch, my savage gloves start out at 113/162 crit, should I overcap on it with a pair of savage aim X materia?
vernal breach
you could fit one materia on it withotu overcapping ja?
weary bone
yes
weary bone
I mush construct additional crit
tight helm
MCH balance server BiS set melds crit + set on gloves iirc
jaunty yacht
Okay the Fouth Circle Savage dummy is actually tough... keep failing as RPR with like 10k left
or beat it with like my one last communio left to cast and 2 seconds left
Does that boss REALLY require that kind of DPS?
tight helm
What kind of gear are you sporting
But yes if everyone's fairly fresh you'll probably beat part 1 right before enrage
jaunty yacht
without food/pot
I haven't been at all lucky on rolls
Meaning I havent gotten SHIT
tight helm
Are you potting in the dummy?
jaunty yacht
Yes
tight helm
Twice?
vernal breach
wot the foq is this range flex strat
stable basin
final floor SSS dummies are stupid tough, they pretty much require a perfect rotation with pentamelded crafted
dummies also tend to be tuned weirdly, idk which ones are particularly tight/loose for this tier
I distinctly recall clearing E4S week 1 on DRK then failing the dummy from crit RNG tho
glass pine
P4S dummy is super tight even in i600
woven tundra
grand mesa
Does that boss REALLY require that kind of DPS?
The DPS check for the fight is tight, but I honestly wouldn't worry about it if you've uploaded dummy logs and plugged it into xiva and aren't making any huge mistakes
Oh., right
rpr still isn't supported 
lyric summit
you can still click it and get some data
it just might be more buggy than the supported ones
dusk sapphire
I did it I'm gaming
Congratulations bro, 
im still stuck on p3s but i have faith that i will clear
finite plank
got wep in pf, and body in smaller, familiar pf
grand mesa
i just watched p3s and p4s,,, maybe party finder raiding isn't worth it
Good fights, but pf is hot dogwater
Good luck
pearl flicker
Thank uuuu
jaunty yacht
Pf raiding is terrible so Im learning DNC because statics seem to only want phys ranged
Like im not sure if its just primal that's filled with neanderthals or what but it's like people pop into a savage prog blind and expect someone to hold their hand and baby them through it
I cant even fucking clear p2 without both healers running into the sewage
covert ledge
thats cause everyone whos good has cleared p2 by now unless they started super late, its week 6 lmao
sinful brook
It's not just primal that has glue eaters
It's every dc
Aether isn't free of them either
weary bone
What do you guys think would be the next Unreal trial?
vernal breach
good king moggle mog
void dove
Just about to finish EW and will try to hop into EX & savage
Should I buy a full classical set off MB & stick materia on it, farm EX2 for limbo set then try to hop into Savage?
First time with high level content btw, not entirely sure if I want to spend all the gil to pentameld classical but idk if limbo is good enough for savage.
drowsy agate
well first of all
limbo and classical are the same item level
either set is more than enough for starting savage
pentamelding at this point in the tier is completely unnecessary, you'd just be wasting money
everyone outgears p1s now
pentamelding was more significant in the first few weeks because no one had gear but tried to push p3s and p4s
i570 is enough to start in p1s
you don't need to buy a single piece of classical gear if you don't want to
get your ilvl to 575 if you want to be safe, use some combo of moonward/radiant/limbo and classical if you really want
new players tend to significantly overvalue gear in savage
void dove
ooooo, thanks so much for the input!
drowsy agate
it's far far far far far more important you're good at your class
void dove
yeah i'm gonna be living at a dummy for a while practicing rotation, are practice groups still a thing this late into the game?
drowsy agate
get to i575 ilvl however you want, socket at least tier 8 materia into everything, and buy some raid food
and you're good to go
void dove
big bless thanks for the input
drowsy agate
yes, there are still practice parties, but there's less of them
most ex2 parties are farm parties now, p1s fresh parties are going to be mainly veterans helping out their new friends
grand mesa
Don't forget to cap your astronomy tomes
A leg or chest piece is a huge upgrade, assuming they have good substats for your class
grand mesa
man
I hate how I have to do transpose openers for both p3 and p2
just so my alignment isnt total garbage
dull radish
Should be pretty fine, particularly for P2S? P1S might be a sps-related thing with regards to alignment, especially with regards to using AM
grand mesa
Should be pretty fine, particularly for P2S? P1S might be a sps-related thing wi...
I can do strict standard just fine in p1, since I can use xeno to weave in AM's without clipping at any point
Does help a lot on my sps in p2s since it lets me finish in ice phase before limit cut's downtime
and in p3s in particular, the double transpose opener lets me end in ice phase right as I have to move for the first fireplume, as opposed to having to hold triple for movement mid fire phase
(I could maybe just xeno>AM to dodge fireplume whilst doing the standard opener but, I don't trust myself enough w/ doing it properly without giving myself a damage down)
Kinda just sucks that manatick can screw me over whilst sometimes
unique sorrel
ive got a question: for p4s for tower/tethers how the heck do you grab the tether from the ppl that need to go into the tower tha quickly. i keep either getting mine stolen from another dps or from a person in the tower
my guess would be to preposition as best you can for that
onyx quiver
Tower tether? If you dont have a tower stand in hitbox
People in hitbox get prio for tethers and they're easier to grab.
If you lose yours it might be because 1 person didnt stand in the hitbox but needed one or that you yourself didnt stand in hitbox
People usually do below boss for tether and max melee in front of boss for passing virus
vale dagger
For Darkblaze Twister mechanic in P3S, is the SW tornado always the one to go to first for Searing Breeze?
fading rover
Anyone have any tips for how to deal with the little spots of downtime in p2s? I'm new and maining sam, I just cleared following the balance rotation but it's always scuffed by the end of the fight
weary bone
Have you tried meditating on it?
torn mesa
Anyone have any tips for how to deal with the little spots of downtime in p2s? I...
the only downtime during this fight should be kampeos
or if you get marked as DPS
for the former, it depends on your group, but I would imagine you guys are also just doing re-opener
so all you have to do there is save your burst
mystic panther
Why is P3S so annoying? 😭
quick verge
quick thinking hard
weary bone
Why is P3S so annoying? 😭
Cause there's like 8 spots in the fight where a single dead party member can mean a wipe. And it does a lot of damage.
dusk sapphire
god fucking damn it fuck this bird
steep summit
Is there really no better looking whm gear?
sinful brook
what do you mean
gear aesthetic is personal preference anyways
try #glamour-discussion for suggestions
steep summit
Nah just pointing out the af1 gear, I’m equally guilty of using it.
sick cape
in p3s FoA, does the conal aoe always start and end in the same spot?
and are they always ccw?
golden slate
U mean the telegraphed ones?
sick cape
aye
golden slate
I don’t think so?
subtle marsh
god fucking damn it fuck this bird
gz
grand mesa
god fucking damn it fuck this bird
I just got my clear
Easiest fucking fight of my life
mystic panther
Kept getting to enrage last night but 1 or 2 dps would always die so we didnt have enough dmg 😦
Just want to clear it 😭
grand mesa
which fight
grand mesa
in p3s FoA, does the conal aoe always start and end in the same spot?
no
look for first cone, stand on third and move into the first one after it goes off, then resolve the mechanic after (stacks/spread, or storm of aspho myta/elmo/tuufless/whatever)
You can go second into first but the snapshot for that is really tight
mystic panther
P3S. Doesn't help that there seems to be 3 macros going around, changes every time
grand mesa
so I wouldn't recommend it unless you're that confident in yourself
The only thing that changes on aether are storms of aspho positions for baits and sometimes where you go for the twister knockback
Everything seems standardized otherwise
mystic panther
not for Light lol. healers normally go right on knockback twister, did that all day, then they say i should be left in the evening, then they swap N/S pizza plumes just because I guess. 😂
mystic panther
Yea I was used to being south, then they wanted us north shrug
mystic panther
I just want it downed at this point lol. Gotten so close.
Happy with where I should be most of the time, really learned SCH from doing this fight so much. Sadly PF groups seem to lack AST's so we can't ezmode that later mechanic
grand mesa
WHM's just more popular rn, probably will stay that way
You honestly should just be tank or healer lb'ing that if you know you have enough dmg
assuming ur having a hard time healing that section
mystic panther
That can work for it? I swear I saw someone do that and we still dropped. Ok then lol
grand mesa
you have to time the healer lb right after the fledgling fights hit and before the deaths toll raidwide snapshots
same story for tank, except the window is a bit less tight iirc?
mystic panther
Cool.
grand mesa
They both have the same effect at the end of the day, really
that said, this shouldnt be necessary if both healers are pumping enough heal, and tank+dps are using their mits properly
golden slate
U can healer lb the second the 4th hit is done and still survive
I’d give the job to regen healer while shield healer shields ppl tho
grand mesa
if ur lb3'ing, yeah
lucid socket
what do you guys use your aphorism for
verbal oak
what do you guys use your aphorism for
selling the mats for gil
they're needed for 580 crafted gear
lucid socket
mm, which mats in particular?
verbal oak
world specific tbh
lucid socket
makese sense
i guess ill just list the materials down and sell on the highest value mats
steep crest
i just finished endwalker is the endgame any good idek where to start
verbal oak
i just finished endwalker is the endgame any good idek where to start
!faq contentunlock
storm frostBOT
stable basin
is MB time eorzea time or server time?
lilac cipher
wha'ts MB time?
drowsy agate
It took me like 100 lol it was not a fun time
i don't think it took us 100. if i had to ballpark, maybe 30-40?
we only raid like 5 hours a week, so like half that is spent on reclears
wet heath
Ah i was doing it in pf on week 1 so it was rougher than usual lol
Gratz to your static, and gl on p4s
young blade
Im not sure if this is the right channel but anyone got a decent macro for the Hydaelyn Extreme fight?
Im seeing different ones everywhere, and they all do different thing i'd like to use one that's more versatile with who the DPS are
grand mesa
What do you even need to macro in hydex
There's light parties for healer stacks and chakrams, and there's healers stay, dps middle and tanks far for lightwaves
That's it
@young blade
young blade
<@254058384314073088>
I recently moved from NA to Materia and there’s a ton of JP strat that involves macros, delicate yourself in dps #1-4 and they always stack differently
grand mesa
I recently moved from NA to Materia and there’s a ton of JP strat that involves ...
Unfortunately, NA is smoothbrain city and most people cannot and refuse to use macros
vernal breach
macros arent really the problem, its just that we like to fight over strats
like we can read the macro, we just dont agree 
grand mesa
Yes
sinful brook
i mean there are definitely instances where people clearly don't read
but its been lessening up
p3s this tier has had a couple of pf where i could see the cob webbed cogs in some brains grinding to a start
and i've seen a good bunch of, "sec, reading" messages in chat
grand mesa
I should make a macro for p3s at some point
vernal breach
ngl, i dont fucking read shit, i just assume everyone else is doing the strategy that im doing
99% of the time.. they are
:l
theres alot of unnecessary fluff in the beginning, and it always amounts to the same roles in the same positions on the same light parties
yet everyone goes through the song and dance over and over
glass pine
NA PF 
vernal breach
like.. take p3s
just by setting up the darkfire positions
i can tell you... whos in group 1, whos in group 2, whos going north... south... whos going east,west, north and south really
i could tell you everything, but like.. people gotta ask each other just to make sure and im lyke.. mcon guys, its the same thing in this party and your past party and the party before that and the one before that..
i just dont get it, but if it makes everyone feel better and maybe increase the chance of a clear then so be it
young blade
It’s so hard to read the text in game sometimes though especially if it’s like 174937393 lines of text popping up and you’re still trying to find what one applies to you
vernal breach
you kind of just know what to look for at some point :l
or you can just infer something to be true based on some other given information
fresh marlin
call a number
young blade
In hydaelyn one I see people like D1 and D3 join with H1 in water crystallise and D2 and 4 with H2. And then D3 and D2 swap during the chakram’s water stack.
I also see one where it’s Melee 1 and 2 with H1, and Ranged 1 and 2 with H2 the entire fight so I’m like confused af
fresh marlin
you are the number
don't pay attention to the others just look at wht you're doing yourself after picking a position
you're not learning the fight from macros, you can check a guide first
macros just help memory and estabilishing positions
vernal breach
well if im not ranged, i dont really care what the range people are doing
fresh marlin
it's a fuck ton better than shuffling around a marker like idiots
vernal breach
are they group 1? are they group 2? not my business
young blade
Yeah I usually know what I’m doing, but I hate when I see dps having to swap their light party stack cuz 2 of the DPS role does that in some of the macro people put up
fresh marlin
tell them it sucks then show them your own
vernal breach
you know nobody is gonna listen to that
young blade
hence why I’m trynna find the best macro XD
fresh marlin
I had clowns in P1S who put melee on cardinals and healers on south inter
vernal breach
you dont have to fight it
you just have to pretend like you're listening..
and not actually follow the macro
vernal breach
well, sorta
fresh marlin
and people normally take it
young blade
i thought NA strat was good because you just designate which group you’re in 1 or 2 and then stick with it entire fight
vernal breach
in the instance of ex2
i will basically never go in the far group just because the macro says so
fresh marlin
you can find the best macro by using logic
young blade
That’s why idk why the JP strat was considered superior
young blade
For real a lot of JP players talk shit about NA strat or players
vernal breach
i still have line lions ptsd
young blade
i see so many like “JP STRAT ONLY”
fresh marlin
it's proll ybecause NA strats come in and don't have macros
JP at the very least sets their shit out
young blade
kinda made me hate doing even extreme,
And then there’s also the salty af toxic people
fresh marlin
unavoidable
young blade
After 1 wipe and they’re like “this is a loot farm right?”
fresh marlin
just make your own party and your own macro
.. I mean if it were after two wipes I'd say it's justified
young blade
Humans make mistakes it’s fine I’m usually very patient even with the 4 wipes we had in a farm party 
i mean it was because it was their first time (main) tanking
vernal breach
some may say it is unethical to practice your main tanking in a farm party
fresh marlin
it's not toxicity if it's honestly something that should be fixed
I had an idiot war in a p1s prog who shouted us down every time we evaluated someone's mistake
'it's just practice'
as if we're not trying to clear and solve problems by pinpointing what the issue was
young blade
Everyone was very reasonable at having a newbie tanking the extreme, but one was like “it’s been out for so long and you still haven’t figure it out haha”
It definitely doesn’t sound nice to anybody hearing it
fresh marlin
They shouldn’t have been reasonable lol
If it was their first time tanking in a farm party they should’ve kicked them
fresh marlin
yeah no lol I would’ve kicked them if it was clearly stated to be a farm
It was nice enough to accommodate for them for a couple wipes, any complaints would’ve been reasonable
young blade
Maybe I’m too nice 🤣🤣
chrome lotus
fr tho imagine wiping 7 times and right when your about to clear doing all that work helping out a noob, you D/C and can't get back in.
That was back when we still had the 2002 error from all the people causing all the congestion. Never been so angry at a game before.
pearl flicker
i was just gonna use guides and stuff but I really wanna learn these fights if anyone's in aether do u just wanna like idk join me and go through the pain of prog LOL I already did p1s and some of p2s, I just really like these fights but I don't have a static aldjaoxhs I guess screenshare also works if ur willing to help me with these 
u can dm if u wanna help i just wanna get these down and I'm too slow rn aaa
austere ocean
i was just gonna use guides and stuff but I really wanna learn these fights if a...
There are plenty of pf up, watch a guide and head to a prog party that’s similar to yours and do the things
Otherwise if you want job specific advices, you can ask or watch VoDs people uploaded
pearl flicker
ill just keep asking around in other servers cuz it takes me way too long on my own with guides
pfs take too long to start up and everyone and their mothers finished all four fights on hour 3 of release so it's difficult
austere ocean
Just start your own pf, I just join a fresh party to help out yesterday. Also maybe check back pf during peak hour which is like 2-3 hours from now
pure vortex
this is quite a PF friendly tier imo
besides P3s lmao
but you really shouldn't have any problem just getting into groups for p1s and p2s to prog. If you don't see any, either you're trying at a bad time, or you should just make your own.
fresh marlin
I mean like no matter how shit something is you'll find pf prolly does it
not like we don't casually have ultimate puggers LMAO
vernal breach
i think hopping from server to server recruiting people for a raid isnt all that different from just throwing up a PF and waiting for people to come to you instead lol
arguably quicker
real hazel
in p3s is it mandatory to stack at mid for experimental fireplume in phase1?
tame igloo
shy folio
in p3s is it mandatory to stack at mid for experimental fireplume in phase1?
heavily recommended strat to stack yes
if it's big orb everyone can go to the edge safely and maintain uptime consiostently
if someone goes early or whatever yeah adjust but you should almost always stack mid to ensure no one gets clipped
for the fireballs around the arena whtever
real hazel
in p3s too, should melee go in the north pairs or south?
shy folio
in p3s too, should melee go in the north pairs or south?
tanks / melee go north, ranged / healers go south for stack and spread
reason this is is because
- ensures doing the mechanic correctly since the stack will target a tank / healer
- better uptime
the only time this changes is fire tornado if you wanna maximize uptime
vernal breach
*yknow i read that question and thought "oh for like dark fire stacks?"
vernal breach
p4s p1
2nd towers
uuh.. who picks up the debuff?
finite plank
the ones who were in 2nd tower
vernal breach
cool cool
so you can have a role pick up both the tethers and the debuff in that case?
finite plank
yes
little tundra
in p3s too, should melee go in the north pairs or south?
Melee's north, Ranged south. But for FoA, usually it's changed to North: M.DPS+Healers, South: R.DPS+Tanks for up-time and easy spread if you need to.
vernal breach
these things you just gotta ask your party
while there is a more optimal way of spreading and grouping and having it dynamically change as the mechanic calls for it
most randoms on PF will opt for simplest strat.. which is to just have melee and tanks north
and have em again left of nados
etc etc
spread be damned
little tundra
not sure what it's like in other servers
but the OC P3s PF's ive been in all just use the same Elemental DC macros
which has uptime split for FoA
vernal breach
well, over here in NA
instead of macros, we name the solution to certain mechanics after dwayne the rock johnson, sometimes elmo.. yes, that elmo from the muppets
etc etc
and its up to the reader to figure out what it means
sometimes we just say "standard PF"
and its up to the reader to figure out what that means too
raw granite
na pf is just a mess
austere ocean
Did you just say elmo from the muppets not elmo from Sesame Street 
raw granite
where are the p2s practice pfs 
vernal breach
Did you just say elmo from the muppets not elmo from Sesame Street <a:kekgiggle:...
look, we didnt have tv back then m8
elmo looks like a muppet to me
vernal breach
where are the p2s practice pfs <:wails_big_sobs:896552221989285919>
make ya own biatch!
also its like midnight so make ya own like... about 16 hours from now
grand mesa
got my first reclear <:playdead:593162355274285075>
congrats
ill drag your ass through p2s at some point
Once im done w reclears
raw granite
pls do i cant find guides on this thing
oh wait i cant prog p2s or do reclears next week 🧍
exams
raw granite
oh ok ty
grand mesa
raw granite
why didnt this show up on yt search results 🧍
raw granite
so much shit happening
stable basin
there's a lot of stuff going on but you don't need a lot of rote memorization for it
grand mesa
^
raw granite
kampeos harma making my head hurt
grand mesa
Harma is simple
stable basin
there's a lot of time to see what you have and just react
grand mesa
Odds away, Evens in, Purples on the numbers
grand mesa
The hardest part about harma is not getting clipped by aoe pvp 
raw granite
eughhghg
raw granite
maybe i should set an na clock so i know when i can check pf,,
grand mesa
Most of the mechanics become second nature once you give it enough pulls
raw granite
true
i havent done p1s in 2-3 weeks and i still reemembered everything somehow 💀
wild experience but we recleared in 4 turns only
grand mesa
Not bad, considering how bad some of pf can be
raw granite
honestly i was kinda surprised how quickly we cleared
and i got to do my flex role properly for the first time 😊
grand mesa
raw granite
ye! last time it didn't go so well did it lol
ot asked in the group and i volunteered
memorized the mechanic last minute
stable basin
naisu
grand mesa
It wasn't your fault that first time tbh
stable basin
thank you for saving the tanks' runs 
grand mesa
MT was fucking up and killing us on the last crystal when we were in the same pt
raw granite
yeah 
grand mesa
thank you for saving the tanks' runs <:prayge:875093280348598432>
I'd volunteer to flex more but uh
I'm a BLM
LOL
stable basin
every time our caster player plays blm he's like this job is stupid, there's no way you can do this movement on rdm
grand mesa
Standing in place and using aeth manip right before a mechanic snapshots
Giving your healers a heart attack if they dont trust you
stable basin
Pros: RDM gets free movement every other cast
Cons: RDM ONLY gets free movement every other cast
grand mesa
!action aetherial manip
storm frostBOT
!action aetherial manip
grand mesa
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stable basin
BLM has a ton of instants with some flexibility to when they're used so they can usually string together enough free movement to handle whatever they need to
grand mesa
You can do a lot of stupid shit with this, yeah
It's honestly pretty fun greeding and resolving mechanics w it
stable basin
rdm in uwu speeds was kinda fun tho just for the factor of like
grand mesa
this is why I say anyone who says blm has shit movement hasnt played the class
stable basin
"If I was 0.2 gcd slower I could literally not do this slidecast and live"
grand mesa
scary
stable basin
raw granite
waw ucob 
grand mesa
uwu
stable basin
raw granite
but yeah uwu
grand mesa
seeing the tiny range on earthly star feels weird now
vernal breach
this is why I say anyone who says blm has shit movement hasnt played the class
tbf, people who play blm have not demonstrated their capacity to move
raw granite
me listening to the ultimate osts for 10 hours: 
stable basin
dw I do cursed stuff in ucob too https://gfycat.com/practicalwelllitdotterel
grand mesa
tbf, people who play blm have not demonstrated their capacity to move
have u considered not playing with shit blms?
stable basin
or sometimes ucob does cursed stuff to me >.>
raw granite
dw I do cursed stuff in ucob too https://gfycat.com/practicalwelllitdotterel
what the fuck was that
ik that mechanic
why did it do that lol
stable basin
who knows lmao
hatches are possibly the most cursed thing in this game and that's saying something
raw granite
i cant wait to see other raid streamers do dragonsong ultimate knowing i could never attempt it
i do wanna try ucob and uwu at some point
not tea tho ive seen too much
grand mesa
I'll get to trying ults out one day
raw granite
someday, but not this year
stable basin
raw granite
raw granite
also https://gfycat.com/dentalclutteredharlequinbug
LMFAO
gloomy latch
Hello, a random question. How long did it take your static to clear p3s?
vernal breach
they havent
it prolly took me like 3 weeks tho, like 2 days a week, so all in all 6 days?
grand mesa
It took me 3 days worth of actual prog, assuming 5 hr sessions
But this is in pf, and not counting the times where idiots wall me on mechs that go before the advertised pf listing
tight helm
a competent static with a shotcaller should be able to clear it after a lockout of two
the biggest hurdle for clears is spread positions, and a competent static resolves that issue
grand mesa
alternative for pf: cry and accept you're losing some uptime while you make sure you clip nobody else
verbal oak
alternative to pf: just fucking stop raiding bc work makes it impossible to raid without fucking ur sleep schedule
tight helm
p3s is harder to PF than p4s change my mind
little tundra
p3s is harder to PF than p4s change my mind
hard disagree
at least in OC
just about every P4s PF is a2c, it's crazy difficult to get any prog done
raw granite
alternative to pf: just fucking stop raiding bc work makes it impossible to raid...
alternative alternative: have school and exams and be on a different timezone from NA 
tight helm
that's why im still on elemental instead of following my friends into materia 
raw granite
i have too many regrets picking NA now but I do love my fc and ffxiv friends so im not transferring anytime soon
raw granite
that's why im still on elemental instead of following my friends into materia <:...
i just made a materia alt but i dont have any friends on there
verbal oak
yeah i've been sticking around in crystal too since ive got some good friends that game late
raw granite
imagine having a static
has a breakdown during pf raiding
im starting to see lesser and lesser pfs for p1s and p2s
verbal oak
ye its pretty much tuesday/Wednesday or no clears lol
tight helm
i think weekends are fine too
and monday nights
you've got all the desperate people then though
the leftovers
nova socket
Hello, a random question. How long did it take your static to clear p3s?
Our first clear took ~6 hours but that was blind with one fill and people swapping roles at the start due to internet issues
weary bone
Just decided to straight up skip P3S reclear this week and prog P4S
grand mesa
y tho
frank quiver
Because time is more valuable. Wish my static was willing to skip as well.
sinful brook
Well if you don't need the stuff I think it can be worth it
grand mesa
In that context, fair
I wouldn't skip on a potential gear upgrade if you still have stuff to get though
echo ibex
Is it worth it to swap to it or stay with clasic
high tree
p3s is harder to PF than p4s change my mind
Lol I agree with this
P3s boils down to rng. Spread? No clear. Stack? Clear
Idk if people are just inherently lowered skill in p3s but p4s is just way cleaner and less random
The only hard part to p4s was the dps check and even that's gone out the window now with higher ilvl weapons
glad rune
How do I find cluster farming groups or hunt trains or w/e?
there doesn't seem to ever be anything like that in pf
stable basin
Cluster groups usually form within the instance itself. Hunt trains tend to be formed within linkshells or discord server. There’s a very well known discord server called Centurio Hunts, though you’d need to google for the actual link. @glad rune
glad rune
within what instance?
idk how this stuff works at all I just wanted to grind endwalker clusters like someone else told me they were
stable basin
Oh your talking about the materia clusters?
My bad thought you meant bozja clusters lol
Think you can repeat certain roulettes if you go as adventurer in need every time, as well as getting them from hunts @glad rune
glad rune
Think you can repeat certain roulettes if you go as adventurer in need every tim...
Yea, it's most efficient to farm them from hunt trains
basically I'm just looking for how to find hunt trains, nothin to do with bozja sorry for the confusion
stable basin
Centurio Hunts on discord or asking around for invites to linkshell groups ingame is your best bet for hunts
Theyll post shouts whenever a train starts
glad rune
That's cool, thanks.
Now I know what to look for tomorrow
I finished capping my tomestones this week but I've been levelling a new job when I meant to be doing hunt trains xP
ember cosmos
are there any mechanics in p3s or p4s that make it hard/impossible to run 3 or more melee?
supple sail
Well someone’s going to lose uptime
Still possible to clear of course
But the third melee isn’t going to have a fun time doing it
tight helm
also makes spread mechanics even more sus
sinful brook
well
theoretically you can fit like 6 people max melee for spreads like that
but its not exactly easy to convince people to squeeze in properly
vernal breach
in theory: fits 6
in practice: barely 2 people
austere ocean
stable basin
grand mesa
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Why?
stable basin
"Tanks take dd" 
grand mesa
Like
I can get just wanting to get a clear w braindead, bc the dps check is easy and shit doesnt matter but
Parse
????????????
supple sail
seems like meme
reef raven
How many "second phase" P4S parties do I have to go through before there's one that can actually clear the first phase. So many people blatantly screwing up mechanics.
echo ibex
Bro it's not even that hard
raw granite
Barse??? Why just why
stable basin
How many "second phase" P4S parties do I have to go through before there's one t...
take the mechanic they say theyre at and substract mechanics until you get to pinax for the actual prog mech
reef raven
Yeah that’s what it feels like. Fortunately I found a party that was actually able to finish first half quickly and stuck it out through to curtain call by the end of the run (pretty rough landing but still)
wet heath
Hey look at that
They have no tanks in their group
Wonder why
Doing that on a parse run is extra dumb lol
Just say you dont know how to do intemperance properly mr. Drg
frank quiver
The DRG isn't even the one who'd have to adjust for Intemperance...
old tiger
I just finished MSQ and got to 90 - new player. Is Bozja something I should be doing?
I want to gear up for EX Trials and Savage raids
drowsy agate
I just finished MSQ and got to 90 - new player. Is Bozja something I should be d...
bozja has nothing to do with current content
you only do it if you want the ShB relic appearances or if you want the tiny tiny boost it'd give to older ultimates
you can do EX trials immediately with i560 ilvl
get to 575 before you do savage
gear for that mainly comes from astronomy tomes, the EX trials, the normal raids, and buying crafted
old tiger
bozja has nothing to do with current content
Ah ok so it’s just there for people who wanna do ShB stuff?
drowsy agate
or level classes from 71-81
old tiger
Got it so it’s a big leveling thing too
What’s the most efficient way to level a new job?
drowsy agate
dungeon spam for tanks and healers
for dps, find a tank or healer friend and dungeon spam, otherwise potd
reef raven
Potd to 50, then significantly diminishing returns. 61-70 HoH, 71-81 Bozja (personally I think this can be fine all the way to 90 if you don’t want to have to think much)
I am in the process of leveling everything to 90, 50-61 is personally the most annoying dead zone for me
vernal breach
need someone to check out a log and figure out what killed us
have at it m8s
wat the fuck is a winds of asphodelos
and whys it hitting 400k
finite plank
add phase
lyric summit
probably two cleaves
vernal breach
something is going wrong and theres too much orange to visually see
yeah its possible, but where is that.. 2nd cleave coming from
vernal breach
as a tank, i can testify that we were standing on the hitbox
i dont know what the other people are up to tho
lyric summit
winds is nado cleave, beacon of asphodelos is the boss cleaves
torn kindle
Bad positioning then, still
vernal breach
i guess i need more than log to identify the prob
;l.
there is no way that the party is closer to the nados than i am
and the range dps testifies that they are indeed standing as close to the nado has the htibox allows
so like..
dull radish
there's also the potential that SE tornado got baited at too much of an angle and clipped the party NW
lyric summit
the ranged took damage so they got the bait
dull radish
one of the winds of asphodelos hit everyone except for the DNC, which would be in line with the SE tornado bait being at a bad angle and clipping the party
vernal breach
man i hate elmo strat
frank quiver
^
vernal breach
we'll do myta when the raid lead gives up on elmo
austere ocean
Elmo hasn’t been the strat since week 1
Even if you clear with elmo you have to learn myta for reclear
austere ocean
raid lead needs to get a brain ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vernal breach
its fine, yknow ive never actually done elmo...
but after watching videos on it
like proper videos of tanks doing the elmo strat
its actually different from the graph
er chart
and i think thats abit of a problem
grand mesa
tanks on boss hitbox, pt nw, prange bait ne
vernal breach
like this.. is like..
hmm'
like elmo actually... looks more like this
in practice
vernal breach
okay i see the problem
vernal breach
i suspect that the dps/healers and such were standing too close to the south west nado
i cant say for sure because im too far away
grand mesa
or melees didnt respect max melee and baited 2 proteans
bc they were somehow closer than both the tanks
.. this also happens to be an issue w/ myta
vernal breach
...
well anyways, i saw a tank pov of the elmo strat and one of the tanks actually stood on the yellow square
closest to the SW nado
grand mesa
u dont have to
vernal breach
yeah but like...it doesnt cost me anything to do that
grand mesa
sure
just make sure you're leaning into the boss's hitbox during that
like, the actual line
vernal breach
actually... yknow whats great about elmo? its way easier to grab the tethers cuz everybody is stacked in one spot lol
i guess thats why raid lead chooses it
grand mesa
if everyone knows where to stand and doesnt forget, elmo is about as easy as every other nado strat
probably more braindead than tuufless
vernal breach
ive never cleared using elmos
undone tide
Elmo is not that bad
My static hasn't fucked it up since the clear
because our melees know how to stand max melee
grand mesa
i still prefer myta since it's more resistant to fuckups but
elmo shouldnt be hard to execute if the concept of max melee exists to everyone
austere ocean
I like how there’s 3 different elmo strat kek
This was the week 1
Same concept really
Elmo is dumb cuz you have to use tank invuln. My tanks in my static been using Myta and they don’t even need to invuln
grand mesa
idk
its not hard
all the elmos are the same concept
tanks stand north of boss in hitbox and invuln
pt goes somewhere north, prange baits the other way
use eyes
use brain
resolve mechanic
kill bird
austere ocean
People only have a hard time with Myta if they move and drag the tether with them before tanks can grab it
But then again the tanks are suppose to be inside the box to make grabbing tether easier if I understand it correctly
Otherwise if you die during nado bait it’s usually less casualties than elmo
grand mesa
I prefer myta for the same reason
But still
If pt wants elmo, just use eyes and not fuck up
austere ocean
I heard from tanks that they hate elmo
frank quiver
I heard from healers they hate Living Dead. 
austere ocean
Only the bad ones
frank quiver
Uh, nah. They just dislike how much of a resource drain it is. Which is valid.
That said, don’t you have to invuln for Myta?
austere ocean
Pf tanks do but static tanks, the decent ones don’t
My static tanks never invuln it either
I’m not even sure if they use invuln in our P3s clears
austere ocean
Invuln is easier if they didn’t use it before
But if they use it before like @sinful brook the other day he’s dead
Same for the drk in one of my pug reclear
They for some reason use LD during add and didn’t have LD during nado, they died
austere ocean
I prog an entire week 1 with elmo where people were more insistent on elmo being “brain dead”
And I didn’t clear with it
vernal breach
tbf
it does look braindead in that theres 3 places to stand in total
austere ocean
After someone brought up Myta it has since becoming the strat for clear and reclear in pug
I mean they are both equally as brain dead
The physrange is at the same spot
austere ocean
Just wait until they find out there’s a strat that makes caster bait the nados
vernal breach
the caster baits: oh no
the caster is a summoner:
austere ocean
I mean it’s the same concept with Myta
Just swap the healers for the caster and another range/caster
Prolly works if you have 3 ranges
vernal breach
fuck it man, they can do as they please
if we clear, we clear
if we dont clear, i'll get it myself in PF
vernal breach
yes yes, a static
austere ocean
Lol
vernal breach
they're a fun lot
nobody seems to be able to wake up at 8pm
everyones brewing their coffee
everyones either drained from work, bout to go to work, sick or injured
and by some chance, they've all come to gether
austere ocean
Bruh
vernal breach
its a good time
grand mesa
man
austere ocean
I mean if they are fine with you clearing ahead with a different strat then yea I don’t see why not
grand mesa
tmr is so fucking awful for blm
vernal breach
i mean, i clear ahead once they're done for the week
austere ocean
Have you cleared P3s on your own and then go back and prog with your static yeti
vernal breach
yeah thats pretty much whats happening
vernal breach
tmr is so fucking awful for blm
what happened to all of blms incredible movement tools
grand mesa
its not that
movement is piss fucking easy
it just aligns really badly with leylines
vernal breach
shame
vernal breach
sounds like you need a static who will do that for you
grand mesa
Yeah, when the statics I've filled in for schedules their shit late into the week, have members constantly flake and force me to get reclears in pf on the last fucking day
no thanks
Anyways
tmr is shit
forces me to drift my leylines a few gcds forwards if i dont want to be in an awkward spot for the tb that comes after
vernal breach
i mean, the tanks will move anyway
grand mesa
im not an asshole
well
that
and i dont trust my tanks to adjust w/o killing me in pf
grand mesa
i wont
undone tide
My static has 2 clears of p4s so far and we have gotten dancer weapon
grand mesa
id be fine w tome wep
undone tide
both weeks
grand mesa
i just want fucking
iL
im sick and fucking tired of shit not dropping for me
stupid ass loot system
undone tide
I'm 3 pieces off of bis atm and my luck has gone away completely
I just want mount
I could care less about wep/chest atm
Still have 2 months to gear for DSW
weary bone
Tbh, as a MCH, I don't even really know what Elmo or Myta strats are. I just know I hug the north tornado and arena wall.
dusk sapphire
I just want gear pieces to actually drop for me
There there, you did your best
undone tide
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/gjWDTxMXYZBcHt86#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=67 83 on double damage down
I already have orange historical but man
dusk sapphire
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/gjWDTxMXYZBcHt86#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=...
Dang, wol? You still live?
I thought you moved to Balance kek
I got me an orange parse this tier too
!wl
dusk sapphire
But i still gotta get more gear
undone tide
i did move to mostly balance actually lol
undone tide
found a good static and we finished tier week 6
dusk sapphire
Oh i havent finished yet
undone tide
so I'd say things are going pretty well
dusk sapphire
I found a static, but they learn slower than me
😔
I still cant get mad at em tho
They're motivated so whatevs
undone tide
Idk what happened to us but we did this on reclear day
everybody too antsy to get back on Lost Ark
the first wipe was a dc
so it's technically only 1 wipe
dusk sapphire
I aint playing that 
XIV already eats my free time fully
I gotta raid 6 hours tomorrow
undone tide
Like half of my static is no lifing lost ark rn lmao
also tryna do ucob before DSW
but when dsr comes out putting all focus on that
dusk sapphire
Good, the more raiders play lost ark, the less competition i have for 🇧arse
undone tide
I have 50/50 on weapon next week
Because everybody is on tome or Aspho weapon
and it's just me and sage still on hyd weapon
undone tide
Cya
undone tide
it's cooler when you get a high parse with shit gear
Until u realize people won't see your gear anyway
vernal breach
590 high af :v
grand mesa
it isnt bis
so idc
im running sps+det/dh instead of crit
so i can't variance 4head meme myself into a high parse either
unless i for some ungodly reason start getting 90% dhrate in runs
vernal breach
just get good internet
vernal breach
i thought jp had good itnernet
vernal breach
smh pc cafe gaming time
echo ibex
I was in this static last week and a the topic of people lying about the point they are in the fight came out.
We kinda discuss a bit about it and he basically told and me and thinks that entering a PF group lying about the point you are should be a bannable offense.
I found this kind of extreme at first but then i thought about it and can see where he came from, but what do you guys think?
raw granite
Not sure about it being bannable, but it's definitely happened to me before.
PLD lied about reaching enrage, next thing you know he asks after 2 wipes "hey what's fourfold??"
quick verge
just let the ppl ostracize them if they pull that shit enough
echo ibex
PLD lied about reaching enrage, next thing you know he asks after 2 wipes "hey w...
Okay one thing is lying but lying and not knowing the fight is a nono for me
grand mesa
I just leave if people are trappin me
echo ibex
I just leave if people are trappin me
His main problem was people basically wasting other people time
grand mesa
I don't think it should be bannable, we have ways to circumvent shitters joining our parties
yeah
raw granite
btw that was in a clear party lol
i agree it shouldnt be bannable, but at best its up to the rest of the party to kick the dude out or leave
echo ibex
btw that was in a clear party lol
Honestly for this at least put a high IL for it, like 585-590, prevents a bunch of people
echo ibex
most pfs already have that limit tbh from what ive seen
Putting the case of P3S, forgot to say it
grand mesa
i only ask for 580 bc idm if people come along w alt jobs
raw granite
well im not there yet
echo ibex
a
grand mesa
anyways
if u want me to drag you through a p2s clear hmu
itll be a 0-1 chest but
i doubt you want anything more than just a clear at this point?
raw granite
i do want the gear tbh
grand mesa
fair
raw granite
thats why im doing reclears but with my internet rn its not possible
grand mesa
raw granite
literally lagged my way thru an alliance raid and decided to leave bc i was dealing no damage
echo ibex
i do want the gear tbh
What if you wanted gear
But game said 5 weeks staight
-20 rolls
raw granite
What if you wanted gear
But game said 5 weeks staight
-20 rolls
happened on my first reclear </3
grand mesa
can you type ping -t -l 6 204.2.229.9 into command line for me
raw granite
that didnt work
grand mesa
i did the most work out of all the dps's in my past p3s run and i got jack shit
welcome to ff14 pf
raw granite
that was to check ping right
grand mesa
yeah
raw granite
didnt work lol
grand mesa
echo ibex
can you type `ping -t -l 6 204.2.229.9` into command line for me
Serves you?
grand mesa
oh, i was asking laire/solace/dork
echo ibex
crap
grand mesa
no worries tho lol
echo ibex
i did the most work out of all the dps's in my past p3s run and i got jack shit
I fear when i finally clear P3S
echo ibex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423236689599660032/944516327048093757/unk...
Holy shit
What gear?
grand mesa
idk what everyone else was on
i was on 590
rpr had 91% uptime
dnc had 92% despite being prange
I guess I moved from green to blue on my profile, at least
echo ibex
idk what everyone else was on
Is reaper supposed to have ''less damage'' but compensate then with Arcane circle?
echo ibex
I mean even after doing my best i still get beaten by monks and Sams
grand mesa
this is adps rankings rn
echo ibex
But then i remember ''Well i'm giving 3% more damage to the whole team every 2 min''
quick verge
arcane circle is just a tacked on damage buff in addition to its plentiful harvest
it's pretty small, and won't really give huge gains like proper card use from ast
or trick attack on nin
grand mesa
rpr's mostly a personal dmg job, raidbuff is w/e but it does contribute to some extent
just, never as much as a proper rdps job
Anyways
grand mesa
those dps's were eating shit
mnk's always done around less personal dps than the rpr/blm/sam iirc
!faq fflogsdps
storm frostBOT
quick verge
mnk adps has always been on par or better than rpr
echo ibex
I remember monk being top
quick verge
w/ added brotherhood bonus
echo ibex
Then Sam then Rpr
grand mesa
oh?
echo ibex
Without taking in count BLM ofc
grand mesa
what were the rankings like pre 6.08
grand mesa
I see 
quick verge
nobody really talked about mnk cause rpr was popular and shitting on the other melees
but job's busted
grand mesa
the dk memes are funny as shit
echo ibex
and then they buffed it
Wait they did
quick verge
phantom rush got like 150 potency in .08
undone tide
they gave phantom rush 100 pot
grand mesa
bc it needed buffs, i guess 
echo ibex
the dk memes are funny as shit <:PepeLaugh:899945211696914472>
Nooo he's good don't you see he's top damage /s
undone tide
monk has mantra
echo ibex
they gave phantom rush 100 pot
Oh thought you weere talking about rpr
quick verge
waiting for the legendary 70% dk crit run
echo ibex
lmao
undone tide
Unironically contributing more than reaper already
quick verge
i mean mantra post 5.0 vs any melee utility is kinda funny
undone tide
monk sam blm brd
grand mesa
makes sense
quick verge
prob gonna defend on kill timings for each fight
and ppl actually doing speed since everyone is hitting bis now
quick verge
might shift between mnk/sam/nin
verbal oak
if sam is still top dnc will be there too
undone tide
speedkills are dumb tbh
quick verge
w/ fixed dnc + blm
undone tide
That shit sounds horrible
quick verge
opti is different from speedkilling tbf
undone tide
I'm also biased because i'd be forced off my main
quick verge
they're similar in a lot of ways, but speedkilling adds on a layer of mental fortitude you need
- forcing u off your main job if it isn't the best for speed yea
quick verge
another expac, another 2 years of sch/ast dominance
grand mesa
ill just keep playing the classes i like
quick verge
:)
undone tide
yeah but lucky for you the class you play is always good