its called tether and fairy embrace 
#endgame-lounge
odd stream
subtle marsh
IDK I played astro in shb and it ruined me.
dusk sapphire
You mainly wanna mitigate as SGE
frank quiver
Well, SGE is a mit healer.
You won’t be feeling “powerful” heals, if that’s what you’re referring to.
dusk sapphire
You use stuff like Kerachole for the 10% mitigation boost(and regen) and Holos for the 10% mitigation boost(and 300 healing potency)
quick verge
any zoe + pneuma enjoyers
dusk sapphire
Yeah, you cant really get a DRK from Living Dead to 100% HP as SGE by yourself
grand mesa
pneumondeez
subtle marsh
any zoe + pneuma enjoyers
no. >|
frank quiver
SGE spell names suck.
quick verge
my static's sge refers to their abilities in sch terms
grand mesa
Yeah, you cant really get a DRK from Living Dead to 100% HP as SGE by yourself
You keep them alive after LD pop by letting them die and ressing
dusk sapphire
Im starting to regret putting my DPS skills as a healer on CTRL modifier, because my pinky is starting to hurt
wheat marsh
i mean i got booted as a scholar healer in dungeons so i dont think miti healing is for me XD
dusk sapphire
I should've put em on the non-modifier
grand mesa
Do you use caps lock much
grand mesa
You can, I did
odd stream
SGE spell names suck.
!faq phlegma
storm frostBOT
grand mesa
It just takes time
quick verge
just change the keybinds and do a few dungeons
odd stream
no
inland ore
I use my caps lock as the mute toggle button for discord, so if I'm talking I'm typing in all caps.
grand mesa
kardia? kardion deez nuts
quick verge
no
grand mesa
No
subtle marsh
Since it's not w1?
quick verge
you only needed to pentameld if you wanted to attempt 4s week 1
grand mesa
Penta is only relevant for w1 p4 clears
wheat marsh
i dont use ctrl on anything past 3 
grand mesa
You can just go with mixed 590 pieces and whatever you pick up from savage now
dusk sapphire
There are some outliers tho, idk if we getting augmented crafted gear
but if we do, the healer ring crafted will be BiS apparently, pentamelded
grand mesa
frank quiver
Is there going to be a second set of crafted gear anytime soon? Wondering if materia prices will ever rise again.
subtle marsh
Gotcha, ok.
dusk sapphire
Is there going to be a second set of crafted gear anytime soon? Wondering if mat...
Not really
grand mesa
Probably not until 6.1
dusk sapphire
crafted gear comes every savage tier
frank quiver
6.1 it is, then. Time to hoard my clusters.
grand mesa
Ah, right
dusk sapphire
6.1 it is, then. Time to hoard my clusters.
On 6.1, the current crafted set gets augmentable
dusk sapphire
but no new set
quick verge
cause everyone has all the time in the world to do hunt trains
dusk sapphire
my whm hotbar, azul
Everything is so spaced out 
frank quiver
Damn. Missed the money train.
grand mesa
yeah
dusk sapphire
It wasnt such a big moneytrain tbh
grand mesa
Makes it easier to get used to
dusk sapphire
Everyone was trying to hop onto it
grand mesa
Prices started stabilising after week one, tbh
dusk sapphire
There aint much ways to make money out of other players these days, because everyone is crafting, and everyone is hunting
so everyone got all that they need
quick verge
dumping materia worked when everyone and their mother didn't play this game
frank quiver
Hm. So difficult to make money for a house.
dusk sapphire
Currently, your best bet is doing treasure maps, and praying to get the mat for glam
grand mesa
Crafting old glam that's exorbitantly expensive for the amount of effort needed
dusk sapphire
and then selling
grand mesa
Doesn't even need bis gear
dusk sapphire
Oh yeah, you can just get a crafter to 90, and do ShB maps
just keep selling these
frank quiver
LOL. I recognize that. Might do, tyty.
dusk sapphire
You gotta do ShB maps tho
subtle marsh
On summoner, crit builds to align with buffs aren't 100% needed due to prog, yes? More necessary for speed runs/parse runs?
grand mesa
Just press buttons properly and you'll be fine
The dps checks on current gear for p1 p3 aren't v tight
inland ore
I'm just trying to offload my construct VI-S mount before unreal gets reintroduced.
subtle marsh
Ok. I can press buttons. I'm likely overthinking it at this point.
grand mesa
Being able to comfortably do your rotation and keeping uptime while you do mechs should be enough, yeah
I've been in p1-p2 parties where I've had to drag 5+ other people with fairly bad dps through the finish line
grand mesa
You probably will see groups that get to enrage and not clear due to bad uptime, deaths and/or damage downs at some point but
Being able to do well and pull your weight should help make this happen less
subtle marsh
🤞 I work a lot so I don't expect a lot of progress very quickly regardless. But we will see.
grand mesa
Improvement takes time, dw lol
Jumping into nm raids or hitting a dummy with act open can help
Upload those logs to fflogs and then check xiva to see if you're making rotational mistakes
It isn't a perfect tool but, it generally at least shows you major issues in your play a lot of the time
subtle marsh
For sure. I did a trust run because I wanted to get through trial 2 in msq and it didn't denote too many issues. But the issues I did have I got sorted (using af during primals. oops)
wheat marsh
i've learned summoners are supposed to cast ruin 3 more than once a raid XD
grand mesa
I'd aim to get that higher once you're familiar with your rotation
I'd say 95%ish without deaths is a good mark to shoot for if you're starting out?
grand mesa
subtle marsh
Ty, very much not toxic savage raider.
grand mesa
I'm very much toxic for suggesting people try and improve, if df is any indication 
Np though, and gl and hf out there
subtle marsh
Oooooof that is definitely toxic behavior. How dare you try to help people. >|
vestal hollow
Out here we're all toxic for telling people to be better
subtle marsh
Yes. And for informing the masses what a proper statistic is. Amen.
slender lichen
what boss % should one be at for the lb3/dissociation aoes in p2s
i forgot
was it like 50% or 30%
inland ore
Definitely not 30%.
slender lichen
yeah maybe it was 50
grand mesa
enrage is 10:30, so you should be 50% by the time channeling flow 2 finishes after harma
reef raven
Sigh, yup clear party hell for P3S
jaunty yacht
The dps checks on current gear for p1 p3 aren't v tight
esp p1s
Never seen enrage on it even in progs
PF progs
Aside from memes, I have a question:
Does the RPR Arcane circle buff stack with another RPR's?
If not I guess meta DPS comps look something like BLM, BRD/DNC, RPR MNK?
pallid gorge
same power/ mitigation buffs and debuffs dont stack .. usually
covert ledge
Aside from memes, I have a question:
Does the RPR Arcane circle buff stack with ...
no, not the damage part, not sure about the stack part
jaunty yacht
Ah so not very ideal to have two RPR as your melee dps
Guess I'm learning to play MNK
grand mesa
Never seen enrage on it even in progs
I did, once
Was pumping OK dps alongside a mch
But we had 2 people with a full moon ward left side
Having 2 dps deal 5.5k makes it a bit hard
jaunty yacht
Having everyone in moonward isn't even bad, 5.5k is just like... you can be way better than that with moonward
Now if you dont even have 83ex jewelery...
Except weapon... get your weapon...
reef raven
Ok I haven’t hosted in a long time, how do I go about getting a set of markers for a raid to place or do I have to actually have to be in the instance and place them first? (I don’t have 3rd party add-ins)
torn kindle
Have to actually be in the instance and either place them yourself or have someone else use their preset waymark placement
reef raven
Ok so I can copy that once in?
torn kindle
Yep
reef raven
Great thank you! I assume I can just go to save set once placed?
grand mesa
Pretty much
Just go into the waymark menu and you'll be able to save to an empty slot
Or override an existing one
subtle marsh
I wish they made more slots.
reef raven
Great thank you!
subtle marsh
There is a plug in for it!?
grand mesa
grand mesa
There is a plug in for it!?
On dalamud, yeah
subtle marsh
Interesting. I have always used the og launcher so never got into using plug ins.
grand mesa
Let's you save from saved presets
Or export from way marks stored in the plugin into your waymark menu ingame
You can also share your waymarks with other people through text
It's convenient
subtle marsh
Damn. That sounds really nice.
subtle marsh
Another dumb question: When melding, you want X? and if you don't have X you go for.. 9s?
dull radish
grade X is the main melds, and if you're overmelding crafted gear, the first overmeld slot. Grade IX are for overmelding past the first overmeld slot.
If you want budget melds (i.e. you don't want to meld grade X) then you should meld grade VIII in place of the grade X melds
subtle marsh
Thank you, Rika!
vale dagger
During P3S add phase, are we suppose to attack the adds during tethers? Because I keep getting aggro from them.
quick verge
yes
vale dagger
So are tanks supposed to get aggro from them during that phase? Because some were chasing me after tether phase
quick verge
yes
vale dagger
Thank you! Thought I was doing something wrong
vernal breach
Them tomahawk buffs comin in clutch for that phase
quick verge
tomahawk 1 and voking the other isn't even bad
the check for the phase is lax so that 1 ranged gcd won't matter
and the dps for that phase goes into the void on the gamer website
weary bone
The thing with P3S is that it feels like there's ~8 different spots where a single person fucking up wipes the party, compared to like ~3 in both P1S and P2S
That's manageable in a static, but in a PF with randos with a bunch of slightly different strats roaming around, everything needs to come together perfectly
drowsy agate
anyone got a picture of myta tornados p3s?
quick verge
frank quiver
Make sure the tanks stand inside the hitbox, not on the smiley face. :)
Is there a way DRK could do this without using LD? Would it be one tank absolute north and DRK a bit further away NW with one tether?
drowsy agate
so all 3 DPS in the south just stack together right?
quick verge
you'd have 2 melees bait a boss cone and the drk fucks off to some other spot if u dont want to LD
slender lichen
how much mit do you really need on 3rd overflow in p2s
my party keeps dying to the coherence stack and i dont know why
quick verge
2 mit like reprisal + troub and preshields should be enough i think
then you just have an instant aoe heal like indom for after the flare goes off
slender lichen
maybe the healers just arent getting heals off fast enough
i reprisaled and they still died
maybe i should use both reprisal and shake it off just to help them
quick verge
might as well ?
there's like no damage after the sewage + 3rd overflow
so might as well load coherence with your remaining mit
sinful brook
yeah shake should be available around there
its easier to pop it if you're not the long flow timer
grand mesa
Just sink your mits around that period, yeah.
slender lichen
its hard cause i blow a lot of my mits on the coherence then tank buster then raidwide right before the 3rd overflow
but i managed to save a shake for it
vernal breach
how much mit do you really need on 3rd overflow in p2s
just bop it with tank lb3 ez pz
dark mantle
What time exactly does the raid weekly reward reset? I remember it not being the same as the other reset tomorrow morning
proper cave
tawdry sentinel
Question about savage loot
The guide for Asphodelos (Savage) states that "If you skip ahead to do the fights out of order, the previous fights will be considered “cleared” and you will lose out on a treasure chest (or two, depending on the people in your party). You will also not get any Mythos for skipped fights for that week." However the phrasing of this is somewhat ambiguous: does doing the fight mean entering the instance or clearing the boss?
I ask because a member of my static is absent on our usual day and we don't wish to reclear old wings without them. We do want to practice p4s before our next raid day, which would be Saturday, though. But now we're not sure if doing so would lock us out of the reclear loot...
I hope the question is clear and that someone knows the answer 100% certain!
steady pebble
entering the floor
tawdry sentinel
Aii so no practice p4s before reclears?
steady pebble
ye
tawdry sentinel
Bummer! Thanks for the answer though
drowsy agate
worth it to spend p2s books on upgrade mat?
I only need feet from p2s and I got em already
upgrade mat, or piece of gear for an offclass
hmm
frank quiver
If you already have P2S BiS, I'd go for the upgrade. It'll be a while before those become accessible otherwise, ye?
covert ledge
6.1 yea
lethal girder
im a reaper, which is more worth to use? since i dont really need sks but idk how much str scale, im new to ff >.<
silver coyote
technically, augmented radiants choker will be your best in slot for this tier, but the asphodelos necklace is just fine to get a clear on every floor
neat pagoda
Hi
lethal girder
thts why i was confused whether for now i should use asphodelos until i augment the radiant or stick with radiant
so, u r saying i should just use asphodelos until i augment?
dull oyster
yep, pretty much
verbal oak
im a reaper, which is more worth to use? since i dont really need sks but idk ho...
!faq statmeme
storm frostBOT
verbal oak
str very good
lethal girder
ty so much everyone!
grand mesa
You can manage w a bit of sks
slender lichen
what do you do when you need to double weave for your opener but also mit
or will that not happen because ideally you should plan the mit so it doesnt interfere with your opener
for context im drk on p3s and i use the party mit early for the raidwide but then i need to double mit for the tb
and i can just barely do it with my opener
stable basin
you tell the other tank to handle it
stable basin
then don't mitigate it?
stable basin
I thought you were having an issue because you were mitigating the raidwide
cuz you have literally 0 free weave slots for that
stable basin
if not, idk why you mentioned the raidwide
stable basin
it happens after that
slender lichen
its within the first 15s of the fight isnt it
stable basin
no
slender lichen
stable basin
that's the raidwide
stable basin
are you having trouble with the raidwide or the buster then 
stable basin
why do you keep talking about the raidwide then
slender lichen
during a time when im double weaving
because you brought it up again
and because i've been doing it during my pot window
stable basin
Last time I mentioned the raidwide before that was asking why you brought up the raidwide 
At any rate you're done with the opener before the buster
stable basin
ye you are
If you aren't done with your opener by then, you're doing a different opener
stable basin
No it doesn't
slender lichen
i'm doing that exact opener and it's happening in that exact area ive specified
naive shale
Do u have the log?
naive shale
If u dont have the log we cant say for sure wtf happening on ur side
Errr
Xiva
Post that log on xiva
stable basin
idk what to tell you then because I literally helped make that opener diagram and the tankbuster happens after it's done
naive shale
U know what just send log here
And the other can see it just to double chekc
*check
stable basin
do you want a video of me mitigating the tankbuster after the opener https://youtu.be/HRTJjSR5OqI
slender lichen
i mean sure but youre not going to tell me that the last like 10 pulls of what i did just arent real
stable basin
Unless you give a log, I kinda am
naive shale
^
grand mesa
you have time to mit
neat quarry
Perhaps if the fifth-ranked player in the world is telling you exactly how a thing is happening and backing it up with documented proof, it might be wise to examine what you're doing and why it's somehow different than the facts.
slender lichen
and the other chart says the tb goes out at 0:16 which lines up with what i saw so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
slender lichen
i asked for it
i have to wait for someone to respond
unless i record myself progging or something
grand mesa
Castbar goes out at 16
dmg snapshots at 22
if ur opener is 8 gcds you should be able to get mits out by the 9th
lol
potent laurel
It starts at 16 but like everything on this game there’s either a animation ramp up or cast time
sinful brook
flipping through my own log, the snap is like 22s damage like 23
becasue my equilibrium goes out the millisecond it hits
potent laurel
I can say Overflow starts at like 1:50
Yeah sure it started
But the first sets just come and do damage 13s later
grand mesa
potent laurel
slender lichen
and it hits me right at like
slender lichen
around the last gcd
glass gorge
perfect
slender lichen
i've had to weave rampart/plunge
grand mesa
potent laurel
You forgot the flashing sign
grand mesa
i am unfortunately not able to make gifs
sinful brook
don't do it lmao
my eyes
you can make gifs using a website thats how i did the edge shift gif
grand mesa
i see 
anyways
ur 9th gcd is on the 20th second
weave mits after 9th gcd
dmg snapshots at 22s
potent laurel
I guess add a “100% real” abs a quote that yoshida totally said on a speech bubble
stable basin
this is you
this is me
we're both using mit after the souleater which is after the end of the opener infographic
slender lichen
weave mits after 9th gcd
if i do that then wont the tb hit like right as i press the next gcd
stable basin
your issue is you do a random bloodspiller that makes the time between your second hard slash and the end of your opener shorter
so you have two fewer weave windows in that time
aka you're doing a different opener like I said
the reason you're a gcd late in getting your weaves done is because you start weaving things a gcd late
grand mesa
u have time to snapshot mits before the tb goes out on the 9th on 2.43 if you do your opener correctly, as cats said
grand mesa
we've found the issue then
slender lichen
this one should be correct
stable basin
kinda buried the lede in the center of the earth
but that log has you using mit after the opener too
naive shale
Who is ur co tank tbh?
odd beacon
i mean just remove plunge from opener if its that much of a problem
not like you're gonna parse 99
stable basin
use rampart a gcd later
slender lichen
so i mit literally 1 second before the tb
naive shale
If u wanna play supersafe just dont bother the last edge and plunge
And swap it to mit instead
naive shale
I mean with how his opener is might as well go supersafe 
stable basin
I mean, you trusted yourself to use tbn there right?
naive shale
Anyway either work
stable basin
and your tbn broke?
slender lichen
i dont remember for that one but probably
there was one where i used rampart like a split second too late from the opener
stable basin
and also I know using mit there works because I have video and logs
so use mit there
also use shadow wall instead of rampart
grand mesa
I think this might be an unironic case of go hit dummy
stable basin
it lines up better
stable basin
you can shadow wall first, third, and fourth busters and you def want shadow wall on the fourth
rampart on the second and on big adds
and you can dark mind all busters
use dark mind 1 combo after dark fire crystals die to snapshot the second buster and be up for the third
slender lichen
well thanks for the actual answer when everyone thinks im an idiot apparently
potent laurel
Sometimes explaining takes a lot of hoops to do
stable basin
thank you for doubting me, but you're welcome
slender lichen
i'll just not ask next time since that didn't feel very encouraging at all
sorry for the bother
stable basin
you can always ask in the balance where I'm obligated to put on my customer service smile
pallid anvil
subtle marsh
I like customer service. Can I have some?
silent heart
versed vapor
When is 6.1 coming out
jaunty yacht
Is RDM kinda poopy rDPS now?
Seems weird the difference between a BLM and a RDM
Oh wait fflogs statistics make it look like a MUCH bigger gap
it's still 6.8% from BLM's potential to RDM
viscid gust
seems to be fine considering blm is a lot harder to play I think?
vernal breach
the gap is only 6.8%?
frank quiver
It's less about BLM being harder and more about it being selfish.
grand mesa
It's not a huge enough gap to worry about
viscid gust
Yeah good point, RDM has a lot more raid utility
dusk sapphire
Should i just meld the 590 one and use it until i can upgrade it? or stick with the 600 one?(until i can upgrade the 590 one)
verbal oak
Should i just meld the 590 one and use it until i can upgrade it? or stick with ...
prolly the 600
are ya still proggin?
covert ledge
im on p3s healer meteors
no, asphodelos neck ahs piety LMAO
you're a sge
ditch the aspho neck, keep the 590
p sure you dont need a crapton of piety as sge
drowsy agate
no, asphodelos neck ahs piety LMAO
this doesn't matter
i600 has more main stat
piety or not I'd keep the higher ilvl here
covert ledge
could throw it into a calc to see which gives more damage tbh
id do it but idk the rest of azuls gear but i can do it with my gear
dusk sapphire
I dont got a calc
covert ledge
top is 590 unaug
piety is a dead start regarding damage
amounts will vary with your gear but if you want more damage use the 590 unaug
if you need piety for prog you can use the apsoh necklace but sage has good mp regen so you probably dont
(basically i just shoved it into the astro calc with base gear/non melds, regardless 590 is gonna get you more dmg)
acording to teh calc at any rate 11 main stat gives lesser impact for damage than changing out the piety substat to substat that actually boosts dmg
covert ledge
but yea if you wanna test it with your gear theres calcs in the balance resource channels for all the healer classes
verbal oak
one of these days i'll figure out the dps calcs
covert ledge
its basically just inputting the stats from your gear (via etro or ariyala) > + another sets gear and it compares it
or atleast thats how the rdm/healer ones work
grand mesa
the same w the blm one
tight helm
for p4s act4, when we break dark tethers there's a fire explosion on the other end, does it always start at N/NE, or how is it decided?
lyric summit
it's the feather exploding
when you break the tether
so whichever tether you break first it's gonna make the first explosion
winged hare
For the 6.1 update is that the update that makes pandemonium farmable? or is that later on?
verbal oak
For the 6.1 update is that the update that makes pandemonium farmable? or is tha...
Most likely later on
Prolly 6.18 or 6.2
vernal breach
damn, so still 0.9 patches away 😔
tight helm
so whichever tether you break first it's gonna make the first explosion
so breaking the tether causes the fire explosion? what causes the dark explosion?
covert ledge
theres a cast bar for that one
tight helm
but the dark explosions happen with the fire explosions, at the same time, just at opposite sides
are they both triggered by the tethers breaking such that they're already on opposite sides?
or are they triggered by different things and its the strategy that makes it such that they happen on opposite sides/at the same time?
covert ledge
but the dark explosions happen with the fire explosions, at the same time, just ...
fire explosion is caused by distance from the fire tether people causing it to break
thats why you might have wipes where the tether broke too slow for fire stack number 2 resulting in a wipe
tight helm
act4, not 2
dull radish
all the tethers break due to the distance from what you're tethered to
tight helm
that's not my question
dull radish
breaking the dark tether causes a raidwide + magic vuln, and blows up the thorn you're tethered to
tight helm
so it doesn't matter which direction we start from? PF strat starts with N/NE tether breaking, party stacks at SW. Fire explosion happens N/NE, dark explosion originates from you at the SW
dull radish
so that's why everyone has to be opposite where the thorn is for the tether you're breaking, and why you have to stagger the breaks
covert ledge
doesnt matter no
dull radish
yeah order doesn't matter at all
covert ledge
my statics fucked up and done south first lmao
generally pf does n/nw first or w/e cause clockwise starting north is easier for people to compute cause other mechanics have been done that way
dull radish
just need to make sure to stagger the tether breaks and have people not get clipped by the explosions from the thorn
that's all it is
tight helm
question was because in my reclear I've had a couple of clowns that never realised they were the ones that needed to break the tether
so i was wondering if we could have broken another tether to salvage the situation
dull radish
"yes" but it depends where people are standing
covert ledge
but also, you need to break them all within a certain time frame
or you are screwed cause of the incoming raidwide
cause if you break the last tether while the raid wide from teh boss comes out you cant heal in time
think its something like 15 or 20s to break all 4?
tight helm
pretty much why i asked my question
was wondering if the E tether could go ahead and break theirs instead when the N tether was being a pepega
(yes)
covert ledge
yea but if people are gonna get clipped by being i nthe wrong position they might die
coz if they're expecting N tether break and they're at south but E breaks they'll get cleaved
tight helm
usually they're SW, its fine
dusk sapphire
Apparently XIVAlex is doing some weird shit...is Noclippy doing the same thing or nah?
golden slate
grand mesa
opcodes dont normally cause this issue, but it did in this case it seems like
either way
dull radish
there's some other things along with this that generally push the recommendation further towards noclippy instead of xivalex
proven linden
Just starting to get into p3s. Can i ask why isn't elmo recommended
The normal strat is easy enough to understand. Just purely curious why elmo is bad
dull radish
it's not especially bad, exactly. Just there can be failure points. Common issues are like:
- one of the tanks is mispositioned a bit and baits the tornado cleave in the SE to also hit the party
- two of the non-tank party members are a bit too close to the boss so you bait two cleaves instead of one
- someone in the non-tank group stands too close to the N tornado and cleaves that onto the party
proven linden
I see. Thanks!
dusk sapphire
there's some other things along with this that generally push the recommendation...
I just think that noclippy is more user friendly
Just have xivlauncher, copy the github and then done
covert ledge
I see. Thanks!
to double confirm what rika said, in my exp the pt will wipe more to elmo than doing it normally
cause of the tanks specifically 
proven linden
I see. Yea i asked another friend, elmo has a higher chance of wiping if someone makes a mistake because everyone is just together
grand mesa
I don't like noclippy being tied to dalamud
wild ether
just to be sure xiva is auto updated right
grand mesa
mostly dalamud breaking for a set period after patch drops
grand mesa
it usually happens in a few hours
covert ledge
true
subtle marsh
I think I'm going to have to look into my noclippy settings more, as I'm assuming they're configurable?
fervent sequoia
Can someone tell me what "MYTA" is for P3S? I am constantly to nados but still dont know what this shorthand is TY.
fervent sequoia
Yeah I guess its ELMO alternate
finite plank
what the fuck is caster tax
grand mesa
!faq castertax
storm frostBOT
finite plank
i dont play casters that often
i dont know what's it trying to say, all i want is to double weave with 200 ping
don't we have a period where it's over and we just slide cast anyways?
pearl flicker
i almost have all of da ilvl 600 accessories but how would i get my right ring?
finite plank
tomestone
pearl flicker
so theres only one 600 ring and the other will just be 590?
finite plank
you upgrade it
finite plank
ye
pearl flicker
says i have to beat all the raids. time to cry bc now i actually have to learn p2s LOL
drowsy agate
i dont know what's it trying to say, all i want is to double weave with 200 ping
tldr caster tax is a delay added to all spells because of the game
you can reduce the delay by having a higher frame rate
it also won't affect you double weaving with high ping
finite plank
so.... wtf is this advantage gap
i'd probably need a visual representation to understand it
wintry crystal
on 2.5s GCD BLM, if you don't have caster tax, spamming Fire IV would take 2.8s between casts
with caster tax it's a bit more than 2.9s
dull oyster
if I understood correctly, with that logic EW healers aren't affected since their cast times are 1.5s (1.6 with tax) and gcd still rolls at 2.5
covert ledge
well apparently xivalexander is fixed so it doesnt matter
dusk sapphire
For me this is just a matter of what the tool is capable of in the wrong hands
stable basin
How is dancer in savage rn? I heard that dancers have felt like they got nerfed back in 6.0
covert ledge
they're better now, they got a buff wit 6.08
frank quiver
For P4S, what does “billi bloodrake” mean? Is it this strat, or is it something different?
https://youtu.be/0K5yVoN7GrQ
quick verge
no idea
golden slate
Never heard of that
grand mesa
How is dancer in savage rn? I heard that dancers have felt like they got nerfed ...
They're fine
Was under power curve vs the rest of the prange pre 6.08 but even then it wasn't really unplayable outside of p4 w1 from what I've gathered
silver coyote
@frank quiver ya that's the billi strat
frank quiver
Ah, gotcha.
If anyone wants it, apparently this is the Pastebin being shared in the PF's.
stable basin
For P4S, what does “billi bloodrake” mean? Is it this strat, or is it something ...
pretty sure that's stacking everyone who doesn't need debuff/tether together
prevents passbacks with debuff and makes it easy to grab tethers
my group stopped doing it though because the two people grabbing the debuff can very easily run into each other
frank quiver
~~my group stopped doing it though because the two people grabbing the debuff ca...
Can’t you just assign an order to prevent that?
quick verge
yea
you can have the ppl who need debuffs just loose spread in a line
and just have left-right take debuff in order
west kayak
dude fof progs are just ad progs in hiding
tight helm
FoA progs are also adds prog btw
p3s is a hell hole of people who made it past adds once while tanking the ground
vernal breach
Yknow i seldom find adds to be a problem in PF
tight helm
and thinking they can move on to the next mechanic
when progging it's hell, but in reclear parties usually people mess up when we get a spread gloryplume
vernal breach
Ive done quite abit of clear psrties and fof and foa and nados and actually every spread mechanic are usually the issue
I think people are pretty good if its just smack down adds
Emphasis on the spread mechanics being real run enders ..
raw granite
How is omega savage compared to current savage?
The older savage raids look more hectic
supple sail
roughly similar.
dusk sapphire
Usually the first tier that launches w an expac is somewhat easy
grand mesa
They should've made p1s harder
verbal oak
They should've made p1s harder
i dont think they ever will after a1s
unique sorrel
i spent practically all day yesterday in "clear" parties (any chest/2chest you fucking name it) most of them couldnt get past adds and the ones that did, couldnt make it past fof due to deaths/mistakes during fof. rinse and repeat. its been fucking hell on earth. biggest fail point in adds imo (other than positioning) is people not damaging big birds during tethers and having at least one bird at 90%
vernal breach
people's dps are doodoo?
adds gettin ya down?
have no fear, bait all the birds to the middle and have a range dps lb1 it
absolutely foolproof
jaunty walrus
i gotta ask, does P3N just constantly hit the OT with a ton of attacks at a certain point?
covert ledge
yes
sinful brook
Yes it auto's both tanks
covert ledge
p3s too
jaunty walrus
just did it as DRK and it was not fun having so few mitigations
covert ledge
weary bone
Trying to get reclears for P3S makes me wanna skip and prog P4S instead
tight helm
try deciding on spread positions too, it helps alot
and if your reclear party is having trouble in adds phase it's time to bail
tacit totem
Fourfold is the wall that I can't breach it's so hard in the moment to know your intended position based on the debuff it's a mad scramble
Any advice would be MUCH appreciated
tacit totem
Connecting the dots between the info is something I end up not being able to do fast enough
vernal breach
like.. have 2 monitors? put it on the other one
1 monitor? print it out
NO PRINTER? cmon its easy to draw it on a notepad stick on your screen
weary bone
Timer strat
tacit totem
I'll try to refer to the chart and then boom I have no time to get there
I get the 3 sec alot
weary bone
It doesn't actually resolve in 3 seconds
vernal breach
pop quiz, blue chain 3 sec, which spot is it?
ding ding ding, the northern spot close to the boss
weary bone
You have like 8 seconds to position
And you should start the mechanic in the middle of the area
tacit totem
So basically I need to study that chart until it's ingrained in my mind and I don't have to refer to it completely
vernal breach
i mean, i have the chart with me everytime
although i have a rough idea of where everything should be.. i still look to be certain
tacit totem
Being tired during my first attempt at learning it probably didn't help with the whole reading the chart thing
I've put in quite a few hours into learning c1s but I feel pretty confident about the stuff that comes before fourfold now
vernal breach
identify color first and foremost
so you know whether to look at the outer or inner markers on the chart
then yeah, its just 4 things to look
tacit totem
I've gotten pretty good at that blue in red out
Or purple whatever you want to call blue
Just for my peace of mind we're using the same chart please do link it
silver coyote
My personal method is l usually scan my eyes over the spots in lines while repeating their respective numbers, so I'll be saying in my head 3,8,13,18 while tracking where the waymarks are. 3,8,13,18. 3,8,13,18. 3,8,13,18 . Then I see what color I have and it's in my head already what marker corresponds to what # and I'll just book it.
vernal breach
some charts are fancier than others
personally i hate it, i would much rather the red 3s be where the red8 is
and the red 8 where the red 13 is and so on and so forth
BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS
tacit totem
You can bait a specific debuff?
tacit totem
You can bait this by having your ranged players already near the corners, forcing the boss to put Purple Chains on those players within its hitbox. Otherwise, everyone needs to scramble.
vernal breach
i cant say that sounds at all reliable
silver coyote
Pretty sure the debuffs are dealt out randomly, no? Or at least in my experience it's random
vernal breach
i recall having the red debuff alot as a melee
and each time i think....
"theres no fucking way that some range character is closer to the boss' hitbox than i am"
so yeah
tacit totem
Ah ok
vernal breach
i feel like that'd be a super easy thing to test for tho..
tacit totem
Well thanks for imparting your experience on it
This is my first savage ever so it's just been alot to take in and kinda intimidating
high tree
Pretty sure the debuffs are dealt out randomly, no? Or at least in my experience...
It's random. TBH you dont even really need positions for the inner buffs. It's so close together that if you have purple, just run in and run to an empty spot
It's really the red that you need to be aware
heavy mulch
where would I go, as someone who has not really done any extremes/savages, to find people to prog current endgame stuff with? Is there some cross-world party finder that I am unaware of?
vernal breach
Well the in-game party finder is cross-world
And there are typically plenty of people progging the current end game savage stuff under the high-end tab of that in-game party finder
heavy mulch
rip, must be a bad time on my world then. tyvm!
dusk sapphire
Holy shit
potent laurel
What the fuck
vestal hollow
what in the goddamn fuck
cerulean crow
austere ocean
Why next ultimate when you have P3s and pf 
lucid socket
what do i do with them pls
austere ocean
what do i do with them pls
For the green tome buy the materials stuffs the one you use to make classical gear
They sell fast and they are decent price
lucid socket
ooo ok
austere ocean
For poetic I guess you can use it for either gearing alt job or just buy relic weapon material
i buy relic material like uhhhh Thavnairian scale powder and things like that
frank quiver
They sell fast and they are decent price
Prices aren’t that high nowadays. Make sure to check MB before committing to the purchase.
eternal vapor
hit 90 a day ago. what iLevel gear do i have to have before i start raiding?
sage summit
Is this still accurate as PLD's BiS?
dusk sapphire
hit 90 a day ago. what iLevel gear do i have to have before i start raiding?
580 is good enough
580 is crafted set/extreme weapons and accesories/normal raid gear
eternal vapor
Yup, already have most of the classical i580 stuff. Missing two pieces since I ran out of gil 😝
Thanks!
dusk sapphire
Yup, already have most of the classical i580 stuff. Missing two pieces since I r...
Lmao just get normal raid parts i guess
But it's not really iLVL tho, iLVL can only help so much
The main thing will be your own skill as a player
Ahoy @subtle marsh
subtle marsh
hai
tight helm
how much dps does a party need to clear p4s p1 and p2?
finite plank
48k roughly
stiff hull
how bad is this going to be compared to ew trials 1, 2, 3 😓
tight helm
against ew trials 1 2 3, they're a step up in difficulty
but don't worry too much about it, the mechanics are pretty obvious
and just follow the crowd if you're confused on what to do
grand mesa
Prices aren’t that high nowadays. Make sure to check MB before committing to the...
There's nothing really better to spend those on outside of gear, so
Either use it to gear alt classes, spend on mats for resale or let it overcap
sage summit
how bad is this going to be compared to ew trials 1, 2, 3 😓
Much easier, but they might be/feel a little more "spongey" compared to EW trials though
covert ledge
Is this still accurate as PLD's BiS?
if its off the balance it should be
sage summit
if its off the balance it should be
if it's what?
Oh... the balance discord...
nah, i got it from some random website after a quick google search
in hindsight, i guess i should've checked the Balance for more accurate results lol
covert ledge
yea i wouldnt trust something off a random site, it looks like it s from a balance calculator/sheet they use but id double check
frosty shore
Can somone help me with end walker? I just got to it, or help me lol up
verbal oak
Can somone help me with end walker? I just got to it, or help me lol up
wdym
like ya skipped or something?
frosty shore
What? Lol
verbal oak
story skipped
frosty shore
I just got to the part were I start endwalker
covert ledge
then what do you mean y ou need help? its literally story quests lol
those are solo
also, endgame discussion is for like raids and stuff
frosty shore
also, endgame discussion is for like raids and stuff
Hey look we have a white night, go back to the queen you simp for. Lol i just wanted help lvl up. I barely make it through the last dlc. So i think i need to get a few more lvls in before I try end walker
covert ledge
Hey look we have a white night, go back to the queen you simp for. Lol i just w...
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msq gives you a ton of exp enough to hit 90
verbal oak
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
i doth believe a block is in order
subtle marsh
Hey look we have a white night, go back to the queen you simp for. Lol i just w...
Think you need to chill a tad.
steady pebble
its not being a white knight saying that this channel is aimed more for end-game since that's...the name of the channel
This isn't the place to ask for help leveling, and for two the main scenario quest for the most part covers you just fine for exp
frosty shore
i doth believe a block is in order
Im just saying simps should hold there tung. On things they dont know. I was just asking for help
subtle marsh
Yikes.
steady pebble
There's absolutely no need to call anyone a simp here
covert ledge
things they dont know, buddy ive been playing since heavensward.
steady pebble
being awfully rude about it
subtle marsh
?
frosty shore
How they got in my face first
steady pebble
They did not
verbal oak
things they dont know, buddy ive been playing since heavensward.
which is ironic considering white knights are an enemy in HW lmao
covert ledge
i explained to you that msq gives you enough exp to hit 90
hows that gettingi n your face first
steady pebble
extremes/savage/etc
frosty shore
The end game stuff right?
steady pebble
msq is not considered end-game
frosty shore
Well thats what i was asking about
covert ledge
yes and i literally told you that msq gives you enough to hit 90 then you went off on me lol
steady pebble
either way though, this channel isn't the place to ask for help with leveling
verbal oak
either way though, this channel isn't the place to ask for help with leveling
we use #retired-na-datacenters for that right?
covert ledge
yea i believe so
steady pebble
yea
frosty shore
Man you guys come out of nowere like bugs. Its was really quiet in here and I ask to lvl up and all of you come out in droves, lol
subtle marsh
Tbf, we help when applicable but were also going to call out bad behavior when we see it.
frosty shore
Help who? I dont think youve ever help anyone out with your shitty attitude
steady pebble
!mute 646124676283629594 1h
storm frostBOT
subtle marsh
Weird. But ok.
steady pebble
you can go chill for a bit i guess. no one was rude to you and you're being rude for absolutely no reason
subtle marsh
In other news, if I were to watch a savage prog to learn off of, is it best to watch my same class or would any dps work?
sweet blade
And two
steady pebble
depends on your aim, imo
storm frostBOT
Warning issued for Purple Fanta#5023 on Final Fantasy XIV
steady pebble
like i think ultimately going for your own class pov would be best, but if its strictly for mechanics i think dps would work
sweet blade
You job shouldn't matter if you're watching prog
steady pebble
Watching someone who's playing the same class as you can give you insight into like class specific optimizations (potentially)
proud roost
Even if it's p4s with its role-based mechanics?
covert ledge
In other news, if I were to watch a savage prog to learn off of, is it best to w...
depends if you're trying to optimize watch your class otherwise it doesnt matter
covert ledge
Even if it's p4s with its role-based mechanics?
yea that doenst matter too much
its split into dps then tanks/healers
so i could technically watch a tank pov even though im a healer
subtle marsh
Gotcha, ok. I watch the usual videos that teach the mechs and such, like hy rainesama, but I'm going to try and see if progs or clears can help fill in the gaps.
subtle marsh
Is having your own effects on necessary?
I find that when the primals are summoned the effects tend to block out fight effects with their long animation. Would I shoot myself in the foot by disabling them?
steady pebble
eh not really
subtle marsh
My next question would be related to where I can adjust it.. as I think I'm having a moment here and missing it completely.
sinful brook
character configuration
subtle marsh
Thank you, Channies
storm frostBOT
Tick, Tock, Kupo!
jade sluice
i have a question for p4s p1: "xenos strat" means that people stay on their positions until debuffs were taken away from them, and then stack for tethers, right?
dull oyster
In elemental, we usually call this strat the YPP strat. Not sure if there's other names for it
there is a strat called the xeno strat for part 2 though
finite plank
xenos, melees always goes into first tower side and protean baits then ranged
jp uses inumaru which has melees take both earth shakers and ranged take both towers
oh, that's p2
p1 has people stay where they should be and in a way it's easy to know where your partner is
while jp has everyone stand behind the boss if they want to not have debuff so they don't accidentally pick it back up
problem it has end up being people who need it, might accidentally pick up from each other if they move together
i find xeno's method safer but it is also easier to recognize who needs what
stiff hull
well...i just finished P1N
if i wasn't already convinced that i am never going to touch savage, i do now
and there's still 3 more of this...
wheat flame
well, great thing is that more you play better you get
one day you will be comfortable with the normal raids
stiff hull
P2N turns out to be even worse
wiped 4 times
i think i really am incapable of ever doing normal raids like this
let alone EX, let alone savage
verbal oak
Why so defeatist?
stiff hull
i've had terrible experiences with all of the mandatory EW trials. considering what i just ran through, i am terrified enough of any kind of reprisal stemming from any kind of mistake i'd make that i'd rather just..."know my place"
to be honest, i admit the main reason why i even bothered unlocking pandemonium was...peer pressure, so to speak
both on NA and JP, i am surrounded by high end raiders who have multiple savage clears under their belt, and there's an unspoken kind of obligation from them for people like me (i.e. has cleared EW but has not done any of its postgame at all) to follow suit
subtle marsh
This might assuage your concerns /anxiety a little bit.
I can't speak for Japan, but in na, even if you think you're bad, there guaranteed to be someone ten times worse.
And even if you are bad, as long as you are willing to accept the criticism, work on your mistakes, and ask questions as you have them, you'll be fine.
finite plank
there are many things that makes a run shit
without specific detail in general, i can't point out what made it difficult
because sometimes
savage has a mech easier than normal
finite plank
e7n is still easy
subtle marsh
Harder than the savage version though.
finite plank
well...i just finished P1N
either you have an issue with your own controls which makes the game suck more than usual
or you have issue figuring out what does what despite truding through 89+ levels of content
stiff hull
i want to say i never really had trouble in normal dungeons, but that bar is so low it's basically subterranean
i also want to say i never felt like i had any trouble with trials up to post-shb, but that's also another low bar
finite plank
without anything given by you
i'd say get act, upload log to fflogs by getting fflogs uploader, and check it in xivanalysis
but that's jumping pass what i've already said
either you have an issue with your own controls which makes the game suck more than usual
grand mesa
holy fucking shit
I just filled in for a static doing almost fresh p3s prog and we got to nados in the first 3h session
I've been in pfs that couldn't get past adds in this timeframe
Christ
stiff hull
@finite plankis there a faq entry for act, or if not - since as i understand act is hush-hush officially - can you dm me the links?
finite plank
no
golden slate
The thing that really gets pf is spreads on gloryplume 
finite plank
just look it up
sinful brook
<@!151661811475677184>is there a faq entry for act, or if not - since as i under...
!faq fflogs
storm frostBOT
sinful brook
!faq act
storm frostBOT
finite plank
i also dont know about those bot cmds
frank quiver
Is it? That seems great, actually. I’m tired of our tank knocking us back. If he can pop invuln and stay there— be my guest.
grand mesa
Is it? That seems great, actually. I’m tired of our tank knocking us back. If he...
It's just that
it's really tight if you want max uptime on everyone
frank quiver
Ah, fair. The tank and melee on the corner could easily get knocked back.
grand mesa
yeah
its not like this fight needs this much uptime to be clearable
so this is p much just a static/parse strat
echo ibex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277962749630349312/935916977904578622/Scr...
Oh that way tank and meele can keep doing damage
Interesting
grand mesa
Please don't bother w this unless you're going for a 99 parse, lol
echo ibex
Please don't bother w this unless you're going for a 99 parse, lol
Nah of course not
daring dome
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277962749630349312/935916977904578622/Scr...
skill issue strat
this doesnt even seem necessary if ur going for a 99 parse lemao
some guy is going to lose a gcd there going out and then still get a 100 over you doing this because he crit 10% more
subtle marsh
parse gamers are wild
Is this p2s?
cerulean crow
Is this p2s?
yes
frank quiver
Where are the P2N uptime strats.
grand mesa
Is this p2s?
Yeah
drowsy agate
pretty sure you can get 100% uptime on p2n without any special strats kek
just eat vulns if needed
vale dagger
What's the name of that purple circle mechanic in P1S, shackles or chain?
supple sail
You mean Shackles of Time?
It’s kind of a nothing mechanic so not what players usually refer to by “shackles”
austere ocean
where the pf strats for bloodrake at >:V
For aether pf if you need the tether stand right under the boss inside his hitbox so you can grab it as soon as it goes out. For rot/role call if you don’t need it you stack max melee south and let the role that needs it walk into the stack and grab it, don’t move until they grab it. If you need both then walk into the rot stack and grab it, then move inside his hitbox. This movement is as simple as walking 2 steps forward
If you already have rot and you need it you don’t have to walk into the stack ofc
vernal breach
right.. its about as simple as i figured :l
stable basin
final fantasy 14 ? more like final fanta zzzzzzZZZZZZ
sinful brook
cool
dusk sapphire
I got a hot take... P2N head+body combo(the double arrows) is more annoying than the P2S's variant
lyric summit
its the same mechanic?
dusk sapphire
its the same mechanic?
It has more variants for me
cuz there is no poopy water square
so it can be literally on the opposite square
instead of just sides or the one you're in
grand mesa
p2n is more annoying than savage at this point tbh
verbal oak
yeah i just do p4n at this point
verbal oak
yeah but i want more of the tome weapons
i've cleared p2s 4 times only got hands feelsbadman
round hazel
Tome wep isn't even bis tho
verbal oak
Tome wep isn't even bis tho
glam
I hate how my radiant gun looks
verbal oak
purple glow is 
verbal oak
For that I just use tower of zot weapons
yeah but those uggy
chrome lotus
What is the best looking end game waeapon rn?
verbal oak
What is the best looking end game waeapon rn?
most of the p4s weapons are neato
in terms of shiny lvl 90 weapons thats about it rn
daring dome
p4s p1 pf strats are the worst thing ive ever seen
p2 even
whoever made them popular should be nailed to the cross and made to answer for their crimes
vernal breach
well, i used to look at something like this
and by used to, i mean i must have looked at it for 2 minutes the first time around and then just winged it from then on
pearl flicker
rip
vernal breach
i mean, theres alot of space for someone to stand and not overlap aoes so yknow..
you sorta kinda can wing it
pearl flicker
i need the actual like detailed one im not good at winging things
man i had it but i forgot to save it
fuckk
vernal breach
well thats fairly detailed, it shows where people stand if they have the Arrows
and where someone could stand if they have the AoEs
although if u ask me, the aoes are more of a suggestion whereas the arrows are... fairly standard and set in stone strategy
generally
pearl flicker
IFOUND IT
vernal breach
👏
dusk sapphire
this one is hella inefficient for casters
pearl flicker
its the only one i understand
dusk sapphire
Instead of going all the way to the grates, you can have 3 people standing on these safespots marked in red
the 28s puddles
pearl flicker
dusk sapphire
and it's best to have a healer on the middle grate, in order to heal better the damage that happens to ready up for the next damage
(middle refers to the left bottom btw)
vernal breach
this one is hella inefficient for casters
such is why people just wing it
people will just rush to where they're comfy, and the rest will rush to where they wont kill someone
i really dont care about who has the better charts, its just more important not to fucking kill someone than to focus on the flipping chart
cerulean crow
Instead of going all the way to the grates, you can have 3 people standing on th...
This is what I've always done, easiest and best way
cerulean crow
<:suspicious:865367930651803679>
Unless people react like this, panic and move with their short arrows, killing me, themselves and their partner
cerulean crow
P2S - Hippokampos
/e : Blue: + Boss
/e : + Opposite
/e ┏━━ Debuff Marks ━━┓ Purple: on Numbers
/e <- Tank | PT | DPS -> < Coherence >
/e Leftside Rightside #2 Coherence
/e & Middle & Corner Tether NE / Stack SW
/e ┏━━ First Arrows ━━┓┏━━ Second Arrows ━━┓
/e O ↓↓ O ↓
/e → ← O
/e → ←
/e O ↑↑ O :
/e →O O←
/e ↑```There's a macro, in /e so you can try it out
torn kindle
frank quiver
Your macro is mostly broken for me, btw.
cerulean crow
Your macro is mostly broken for me, btw.
ingame
finite plank
【Shockwave stacks】
MT H1 D1 D2 (Under boss）
ST H2 D3 D4（Aisle）
【Channeling Overflow (十-formation)】
TH↓DPS
DPS ←TH
TH→ DPS
DPS↑TH
【Predatory Avarice】
1st ←Tank stack DPS→
2nd Tank：Corner
DPS：Along N/S wall
【Kampeos Harma (Limit Cut)】
Blue：1・3→Opposite boss 2・4→Under boss
Purple：On same-numbered markers
less busier
although, assumes you know what it does
grand mesa
Everyone knows how to resolve arrows anyway
Unless they're like
completely blind, I guess
but you learn what the arrows do after 1-2 lockouts in prog
supple sail
well, i used to look at something like this
honestly this one is the best
oof sorry about 5 hr ping
verbal oak
oof sorry about 5 hr ping
Necromancer ain’t out yet Lyon lol
supple sail
but that paint diagram is better than everything else posted after
supple sail
like who tf does this
grand mesa
trying to macro this mechanic is useless anyway
supple sail
sometimes the stuff that gets put in macros baffles me
like assigning positions for first channeling overflow
I never see anyone pay attention to those anyway
grand mesa
first flow is literally just
use eyes
adjust
its not hard, it certainly doesnt justify setting positions
cerulean crow
I never see anyone pay attention to those anyway <:haha:240841245239410688>
PF changes a person
one does not create macros for fun, joy or pleasure
grand mesa
man
i feel sorry for you if you ever need to macro flow in a p2s reclear
genuinely
sorry
quick verge
damn that's rough
