endgame-lounge

[lyric summit]

i haven't played high end rdm in past expansions but yeah its super easy now

you can have a melee combo for every trick

and in most fights you can just hold manafic the ten seconds to put it under 2 minute buffs without losing a use, but something something kill time variance

i can imagine it could be shitty before since you had like 5-6 gcds before overcapping? but now it's comfy

[drowsy agate]

it also means you can hold your combo a lot longer now

back with 80/80 you pretty much had to melee combo within like 4 GCDs of hitting 80/80 or else you overcap

now you have a ton of time to dump procs or fix your mana and shit

[raw granite]

Just tried P1S today, the fight wasn't as bad as I thought,,? We reached enrage twice but couldn't beat up Erich in time :"D

I got my raid food + pots but no melds (ilvl580 classical gear) im also practicing my rotation is there something else to keep in mind?

[verbal oak]

if you have ACT you can upload the log to FFXIV analysis to get feedback on your rotation

p1s is very lenient compared to other savage fights so not dieing is generally the best advice for that

[raw granite]

I don't have ACT and haven't thought about using it yet w/ my current set-up,, my laptop can barely handle having multiple stuff open at once ;;

[verbal oak]

its not very intensive, its pretty much just reading what you're doing

can turn off the dps meter and have it just save the log

[raw granite]

ohh thats convenient

ill check it out then ty

[drowsy agate]

go get melds

no melds is a huge loss of damage

significantly more important than food and pots

meld tier 8 if you have to

[torn kindle]

tbh I'd go for Tier 10 on the open slots, and then do tier 8/7 on the overmelds

[drowsy agate]

I really hope for your sake that those enrage runs were because of numerous deaths and not because of low DPS

[torn kindle]

those two tiers are practically dirt cheap

[drowsy agate]

low DPS on p1s is

[raw granite]

what if i dont have a crafter leveled 🧍

[drowsy agate]

you don't need a crafter for melds

either use the NPC or get your FC to help

food and pot is like, MAYBE a 1-3% boost to your damage

no melds vs full melds is probably over 10%

spitballing some shitty numbers here but my point is the difference is significant

[torn kindle]

Pots are basically only for if you're hitting enrage due to low damage and no/minimal deaths

or are pushing high DPS for parses

[drowsy agate]

imo if you join savage parties at all without at least dirt cheap t8 melds you're practically griefing

[raw granite]

whats dnc meld priority then?

[drowsy agate]

check balance but probably crit det dh

[raw granite]

ive only joined 1 practice party, we were just trying to get mechs down but we reached enrage twice

whats det

[drowsy agate]

were those enrages due to numerous deaths

lol

determination

[stiff hull]

how difficult is pandemonium compared to the MSQ trials?

[drowsy agate]

normal or savage?

[stiff hull]

normal

[drowsy agate]

normal is a little harder but not by much, still casual content

[stiff hull]

i have no intention of ever doing savage

[raw granite]

whats tier 8 melds? is it the number on the materia?

[drowsy agate]

yes

[raw granite]

oh

[drowsy agate]

you may want to consider reading a dancer guide too

it sounds like you're extremely inexperienced

it's not a bad thing, but do try not to be the reason for the raid's low DPS

I'm willing to bet some of those enrages could probably instead have been clears

[finite plank]

if you joined a savage party without even knowing what melds are

that's not a very good look

[raw granite]

i haven't melded before and didn't attempt savage until now

[drowsy agate]

now's the time to start melding

[finite plank]

i have believed that I wouldn't touch savage but I at least researched to figured out what the rough basic definitions of melds are

and that's before i figured out how to play nin

or any jobs properly before even stepping into extremes

[raw granite]

I have done extremes before but I always had the tome gear on me

[drowsy agate]

probably should have melded before going into extremes too tbh

but less of a big deal there

[raw granite]

i havent done exes since hw anyway

havent done the recent ones at all

[verbal oak]

pumpkin potage, assuming you're hitting the required GCD for drk already

[verbal oak]

yeah, to align with two min buffs

!faq balance

[storm frost]

The Balance

Discord

[verbal oak]

they will give you all the info you need

#drk resources is where you'll want to head

[full wave]

How many people in a group need to have cleared for the group to get no chests?

[sinful brook]

5 to 8

[frank quiver]

Huh. I thought DRK preferred Ratatouille?

[grand mesa]

depends on stat tiering

but either or works depending on ur set and melds

[sage summit]

It took me longer than i should have to realize that you were referring to a food buff, and not that a class prefers certain foods...

[jaunty yacht]

pain

rolled a 5 for the whistle too

dragoon got it

[grand mesa]

its always the shit players that get the loot

[jaunty yacht]

maybe i should be shit but then I'd never carry everyone's ass to a clear

Actually I am shit but like not THAT shit

also why do people set PF to literally their iLvl or higher

"Yes you must have 584 or higher"

[grand mesa]

they be a bunch of binches

that, or they're going for speeds

idk

unless ur doing p4s i dont think iL matters at all

[jaunty yacht]

it's for 2

[grand mesa]

just 2 chest clear?

[jaunty yacht]

Yeah

Fuck it i have all week now ill do it later

[ember cosmos]

not really weekly reset is tomorrow

which means if you havent cleared for the week yet you have till maintenance tonight

[jaunty yacht]

Well I work after I go to bed here

Not a big deal really, I'll get the clear, not too concerned with getting asphodelos armor really

I need a static who's okay with me not being there because of work

[stable basin]

How hard are the Pandæmonium savages compared to the 2nd EX trial?

[drowsy agate]

p1s isn't that hard

definitely harder than ex2 but not by much

p2s onward is a bigger step

p3s isn't in the same realm of difficulty

[stable basin]

How hard is p4s?

[drowsy agate]

harder than p3s

that's kind of implied

[stable basin]

Oh yeah lol

[drowsy agate]

the DPS check in p4s is pretty tough

if this is your first current tier savage it's going to be an eye opener when you hit p2s

[stable basin]

Dang

[drowsy agate]

DPS checks in general get easier over the weeks since people will have more gear

[stable basin]

Well before I get into that is the gear on the marketboard the best to get for the tier right now?

[drowsy agate]

you can start in p1s with budget gear

no need to buy anything if you don't want to

i'd suggest being 575 or higher but 570 is the minimum

between the normal raid gear, ex1/ex2 gear, and optional crafted pieces you should be beyond fine for p1s

be sure to meld all of your gear

at least with tier 8s if you don't want to meld with tier 10/9

[stable basin]

What is best to meld on healer gear?

[drowsy agate]

piety to comfort, then crit det dh

[grand mesa]

dh can have more value if your pieces already have a shitton of det

but its a few pcts diff at most

[drowsy agate]

basically it's just crit

you should not need to meld any piety

if you're using budget ragtag gear there's a good chance you already have a ton of it

[stable basin]

Ohhh ok

[grand mesa]

you can have a budget set with practically no piety if you want to

💀

[next ridge]

I need some 3rd party advice if anyone is available atm

[subtle bone]

shoot

[verbal oak]

well make sure they dont share the server first lol

are they more hardcore than the rest of the group, or is it just "the person is not fun to play with"

might be time to ask other people and take a poll in a separate chat

ask the people who have mentioned it to dm you when they see it happen again during raid

if the other person doesnt even care enough to message you back

time to let them go lol

[next ridge]

Yeah we have written instances when it's occured & I've sent them a few points

Not naming names but like in general this and this happen

Anyways deleting these!

You're the first one to have a different opinion

I've been told by multiple friends to just kick them

[verbal oak]

tbf i was just myself let go from a group

but thats more of "hey we need to you to put in a lot more time"
and i went "i literally am destorying my sleep cycle to even play"
and they went "aight fair enough but like we wanna do more days too and stuff"

[stuck wigeon]

What ungodly time do they raid lmao

Late night gamers?

[verbal oak]

my work start at 12am

😦

[next ridge]

That's a big oof

Yeah this is the first problem I've had and I'm still very new to raid leading

[stuck wigeon]

As in, midnight?

[verbal oak]

ye

night shift bby

[next ridge]

My friends dislike this particular person too which is why I'm asking for advice lol

They're very partial

[stuck wigeon]

I think you made the best choice to leave if raid was already fuckin with your sleep pattern

[subtle bone]

step 1 is figure out the schedule before you even start raid

and @next ridge kick the guy, your friends wont have fun playing with him lol

[verbal oak]

it was that long before i got a job

[subtle bone]

pretty simple

[verbal oak]

i was playin with that group before 5.5 dropped

[subtle bone]

most raid leaders end up believing the sunk cost fallacy of 'stick it out' with this person, but its much less stress finding someone chill

[stuck wigeon]

Ngl my group has had some bad people in the past and we kinda just vote to see if people want them out or not

[next ridge]

Very true

[stuck wigeon]

In all the cases it's been unanimous

[subtle bone]

its pretty rare to find 8 people that mesh well, part of the process to have 8 that have fun together.. raid leading is not easy

scheduling/raid relations all stuff to worry about

1 guy can easily ruin an entire weeks vibe, it sucks

[stuck wigeon]

I'm a bit biased in that regard cos I've been with my group for 5 years

[subtle bone]

in that case you are very fortunate :)

[next ridge]

I'm just giving them a chance. I can message you the whole situation if you're interested I just need all the advice I can get about it

[subtle bone]

getting someone to change their attitude or mindset of progression is a pretty big ask, from my exp they get even more salty

and sure, if you want

[stuck wigeon]

Ngl sounds like it's only gonna get worse if this person sticks around

This game has some really salty and spiteful players

[next ridge]

Thanks guys I appreciate the advice

[versed vapor]

usually people just straight up leave the static if thats the case

[subtle bone]

yea most cases they do, but those type of people usually have issues finding groups in general

so they might feel inclined to stay all while hoping the group just deals with it

🐸

[stable basin]

progression , you gotta pick wisely

some people can't handle it well yea

[drowsy agate]

it would be cool if xiva had a module for crit/dh luck

basically if it told you "hey on this pull you were 10% luckier than what your gear implies"

[dull radish]

that would require xiva/fflogs being able to know your gear

all it can do is try to pull from lodestone but like, you could very easily have different gear or be on a completely different job

[drowsy agate]

or ask for you to input values manually i guess

[quick verge]

i mean at that point you can just go through your own log

and type an essay when you get 12.5% crit on your highest potency skill

[wheat marsh]

I only crit every broken combo button

[smoky swift]

In p3s FoF is there a difference doing M-T-R and M-R-T?

[vernal breach]

not really

its also TMR over here in aether

the order means fock all as long as people agree to it and act accordingly

[winter thunder]

I have a question. I have a clip of my static doing P1S. I believe we were all in the correct spots but the mech still bonked us. I was wondering if anyone would be able to take a look

[sinful brook]

sure post it @winter thunder

[winter thunder]

Can I post a streamable link here?

[sinful brook]

i think so

[winter thunder]

https://streamable.com/srorl9

beauty

so this here is how we were breakin it up

( I am sorry for the static lead cursing)

[sinful brook]

you can see on the third one your party member on D was considered red

[winter thunder]

Yep I see that, but they for the first 2 chains are purple. what caused it to switch off of the tank on 2

[sinful brook]

so that means whoever didn't get hit by a red needs to be farther out

and it seems to me that your paladin walked in for whatever reason

so he ended up being considered closer than the person on D

he walked in before the snapshot you can see it

in the corner

is he the one who asked if he was too close?

because he can be max melee

and he wasn't by the third one

similarly the people in teh middle can tuck in a touch more

to give space for the max melee to be allowed

[winter thunder]

I believe they were going for DPS uptime there, It looks like that tank is at max range, unless I am mistaken

[sinful brook]

maybe consider readjusting your markers as well

because taht way some people aren't so much farther than the others that this could happen

[winter thunder]

Ah okay. I appreciate the insight, I got blamed for it last night so I was trying to understand if I had messed up or not

Appreciate you <3

[sinful brook]

no problem

if someone else has any other insight ping chilly_bear i might have missed something

[dull radish]

yeah, if you have waymarks further out and some people are moving in closer and others not, you run the risk of the spacing not working out like this and someone getting snapshotted as further away compared to someone else who is supposed to be further out, depending on how people are all standing. You should really just plan to have all people within melee range and it should be consistent

I'm a bit surprised that the first thought for them was to say that you were mistaken there

[covert ledge]

yea hteres max melee markers goin around

[winter thunder]

hmm okay, so to adjust should be have our markers closer for inside ? to allow our dps outside as much space as possible? they claimed I was too far out, even tho I am dead center of the marker

[covert ledge]

markers that force people that far out are awful tbh

you can have the uh

red go to max melee

[dull radish]

there's literally nothing you could have done differently

purple folks were all fine, it's the difference in distance for the red people that were the issue

if you put the waymarks max melee instead of further out, everyone can keep uptime and then you won't have varying distances like you have in the clip you posted

[winter thunder]

thats a good idea, I dont know why the markers we use are like that, but it makes sense that we should adjust them

[grand mesa]

Definitely just use max melee markers

Resolves the chains just fine and everyones keeps uptime on the boss w/o issue

I can probably send you my set if you have the plugin for waymarks installed on dalamud

[civic musk]

Mind sending me that set too?

[grand mesa]

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here

[raw granite]

finally got some materia, didn't take too long thanks to a well-timed ew hunt train earlier

[vernal breach]

but wheres the overmelding

[raw granite]

none yet(?)

i got smacked at for not melding while trying to practice for p1s so i did it now

[vernal breach]

damn, you got inspected

and was found wanting

[raw granite]

YEAH,,,,

and um

i actually already had materia before and melded it

turns out i mistook det for dexterity and bought dexterity materia instead

[torn kindle]

F

[raw granite]

last night's fuckery

[vernal breach]

F

[raw granite]

also put materia in the wrong slots like an absolute idiot

spending gil had never felt so painful

[vernal breach]

i find gambling to be fun

[raw granite]

hell no

joined another practice group earlier as well but i feel like i should've joined a clear group instead

[vernal breach]

once i reached phase 2 p3s
i hopped straight to clear parties

none of this fof/nado prog

not interested

[raw granite]

my confidence going ⏬

but then my confidence went ⏫ when i realized i knew all the mechanics at this point

[vernal breach]

dont you mean your confidence is going up if you think you should've joined a clear group

[raw granite]

yeah

i wish my prog linkshell is more active ,, i also joined a raid group but i could only fill in for dnc

[silent heart]

lmao about the melding thing

I cleared p1s week 2 with 0 melds on

because I had just finished ew the day before

its week 4 you shouldve told the guy to bug off

jobs got potency buffs

and most ppl got gear that can compensate at that point

should still put some on though but as you said you were in a practice party

[sinful brook]

P1s is very lenient mechanically and dps check wise

It would be clearable with some people being undergeared too. That said you should still meld your gear regardless of the week we're on

Its free stats

And if materia x is too expensive viii is cheap

[grand mesa]

^

Takes like

10-20 mins

[drowsy agate]

it was probably me

that told them to meld

and no dude why grief PF lol

makes PF look bad

full tier 8 melds costs like 20k and takes less than 10 mins

clearable sure, but it's p1s and you can't guarantee the quality of players in PF, why open yourself to be one of the possible liabilities

[distant tangle]

hey guys so for my tank i grabbed bracelet and gloves first from astro tomestones what should be my next priority ?

[drowsy agate]

weapon if you're cool with spending the tomes

otherwise whatever piece that's part of your BiS that gives you the biggest ilvl/str bonus over your current gear

if you won an upgrade mat from savage, those will likely be your priority over other tome pieces

[raw granite]

So what does red safe mean in pf for p1s 🧍

[verbal oak]

i believe whoever gets shackles of time goes on blue

so red is always safe on that mech

[raw granite]

what

im so confused im sorry

[torn kindle]

A player gets a debuff that makes the color they’re standing on explode all other platforms with the same color

If it’s the mechanic I’m thinking of

[raw granite]

for aetherflail?

[verbal oak]

for whatever the fire/light floor phase is called

[raw granite]

ok so the guy with time shackles should stand on blue/white?

[verbal oak]

ye

you get a debuff and big glow

so its easy to spot thankfully

[raw granite]

ohhh okay

will the person with shackles get damage?

or do you time it so they're also on safe spot?

[verbal oak]

nah, if they do its negligible

they just make the squares they are standing on blow up

[raw granite]

oh!!

thats good to know!

in my 3rd pf group the guy said the wrong thing so we would always get blown up before fourfold shackles :(

but the 1st and 2nd pfs i did it was always red safe

ill try again for clear today ty for explaining it

[gloomy night]

yo raiders, does anyone have any tips to execute properly p4s p2 curtain call?

[covert ledge]

dont be a 3head? what do you mean properly execute? pf standard for primal is dps go out at 12s to break th at 6

the aoes are just dodge the first one> then go into where the first one went off to dodge teh second

if you greed you're likely gonna die or kill someone

[weary bone]

I looked at a P4S guide and it makes me feel like

How does it actually compare to P3S, in gameplay?

[pallid gorge]

much easier imo ..

it’s very straightforward after some practice. There’s no “spread” madness like p3s

no real heal check until curtain call in pt2 too

though you’d only know about p3s heal check if you dont play ast so

[weary bone]

Hahaha yeah

[deep crow]

Are there any good healers available who can Prog P2 of P4S in CHAOS datacenter?

[drowsy agate]

#recruitment-chaos

[golden slate]

easier but way more punishing

It’s kinda faster tho

[gloomy night]

p4s p1 is really hard for the first 2 weeks

because dps check

p4s p2 is healer check because of curtain call

[jaunty yacht]

Why do I never see p2s prog... is it just easy or something?

[frank quiver]

Maybe the people starting out are stuck at P1S prog and the people who are faster-paced have moved onto P3S/P4S prog..?

That said, I wouldn't say P2S is easier than P1S (duh). Mechanics aren't complicated, but consistency is eh.

Gotta love being knocked out.

[weary bone]

Honestly do feel P2S is easier

Part of it being there like, one correct way to do it

Whereas there's been several PF strats for P1S

[grand mesa]

Most fresh p2s progs end up getting to a prog point that's clearable after a few wipes

In my experience

Yes, I waste time in fresh prog out of boredom sometimes

[subtle marsh]

So uh, I hear you like pain.....

[neon bolt]

why i do the same thing just to see and cos im bored

[jaunty yacht]

Same lol. Sometimes i danger dorito for noobies in 83ex

Also sometimes I'll prog something I know well in a fresh prog and do the mechanics correctly myself and watch the chaos unfold around me while not saying a word

[desert ember]

Hi this is coming from a new raider, without looking into proper rotations, if I’m clearing those Savage Dummies, does it mean my DPS is good enough?

Or do I have to dig deep and figure out optimum rotations?

[verbal oak]

!faq sss

[storm frost]

Why Stone, Sky, Sea is a bad metric to measure DPS

1. SSS does not account for a job’s RDPS contribution via skills like Battle Voice
2. SSS is a 3 minute burst window where you adjust your rotation to fit in that period and does not reflect a realistic raid scenario
3. Different jobs will be in peaks and troughs of their burst windows
4. Different jobs have different SSS dps requirements
5. SSS is not accurately tuned for the jobs they are supposed to represent in most cases
6. 3 minutes is short enough to be able to be affected by lucky DH Crit bursts
7. Certain jobs gain dps by having additional party members like Dancer/Monk

[verbal oak]

you wont really need to dig too deep for rotations

!faq balance

[storm frost]

The Balance

Discord

[stable basin]

It's decent as a rough approximation still, but that's about it

[desert ember]

Oh so it’s not a good check of my skills

Fair enough

[timber rune]

what job are you on

[reef raven]

Hmm P3S while certainly more complicated than P2S doesn’t feel as awful as I kept reading on here so far. However I’m only at the second half. Which part of the second half typically causes the most wipes?

[timber rune]

There's 2 somewhat annoying mechanics back to back towards the end

I personally dont mind it that much anymore but with prog strats it was a pain in the ass to do the fight

And it doesnt really flow super well especially if your killtime on adds is slow (like it would be on prog)

The mechanics arent really super interesting to figure out either, there's a bunch of stuff that is a callback to t12 and doesnt really fit with how stuff is designed nowadays

It's not a bad fight but there's some small things about it that add up to being meh

It's like a 5-6/10

I think people overstate the badness though

[reef raven]

Ok so I should be ready for a lot of “clear pt” wipes then

[timber rune]

I havent pf'd it myself but i've heard it's... an experience

[reef raven]

I did 3 pf parties and feel pretty comfortable through the adds at least

I do everything pf, don’t have the consistent schedule for a static

[timber rune]

Yeah understandable

Adds are fine now with more dps, you can build resources for the reopener and whatnot

When you had to spend stuff there it made your 6 min burst kinda shitty

Wasnt very fun

[reef raven]

Ah yeah for the most part it wasn’t that bad. Benefit of waiting for better gear I guess

If I can get 3+4 done on Feb I’d be happy

[stable basin]

100%

The whole fight is meme deaths galore

My general advice would be to find a party who seems decently competent at the fight and ride out with them even if it takes a bit of time

It’s better than joining 15 different ones and getting decimated by silly mistakes every time leading to a disband

[reef raven]

Fortunately JP parties are pretty patient and discussion is usually pretty good when you get toward clear pts.

[grand mesa]

Assuming that you aren't on console, you'd be better off just logging runs with ACT and uploading them to xivanalysis

[desert ember]

I always mess up working with ACT cause it floods my C drive hahaha but I’ll try again

Thank you

[grand mesa]

Fair

Logs can take quite a bit of storage

So i generally just wipe it from my drive every week or so once I'm done w them

[vernal breach]

thats a good idea

welp, time to st art deleting some ;v

[fossil prairie]

Hey guys, im hoping someone can help me feel not crazy. Im running ps3 and the strat i heard used was Ilya, i tried to show it to my static today and it cant find it anywhere. Is anyone familiar with this and willing to share it? Much appreciated 🙂

[wild ether]

is it not on his channel

[rugged dagger]

Just out of curiosity, is it more efficient to grind Syrcus or Litore for the SHB relic

[dark mantle]

If I remember correctly, this diagram is the Ilya strat taken from the clear POV

Which is basically Elmo, just that you have the tanks stack together instead of being placed seperately to reduce the chance of missing a cleave

[fossil prairie]

Ohh, thank you!!

[dull radish]

so fun fact, ilya had nothing to do with it

this was just a strat from myta but one of his friends memed and named it "ilya strat by myta"

[torn kindle]

lmao

[dark mantle]

Crazy

Next you're gonna tell me Elmo had nothing to do Elmonado and it was Burt and Ernie all along

😔

[sinful brook]

Big bird strat

[grand mesa]

huge c*ck

[pure vortex]

for maxwell p4s act 2 strat, does healer go E/S for purple debuff, or W/S for purple debuff?

[dense bone]

Have I actually gotten worse over the past year or are the EW expert dungeons way harder than ShB? I never had any trouble in ShB but I hate every EW expert dungeon.

[verbal oak]

ilvl difference

if you joined in 5.4 or 5.5 you basically always had max gear for them

[dense bone]

I mean I'm struggling with mechanics.

[verbal oak]

mechanics are easier to deal with when everyone has max gear

560 gary over there cant handle 3 vlun stacks lol

[dense bone]

Not... Not really though?

[verbal oak]

it might just be you then

[dense bone]

"Run to the side of the arena during the Mother Porxie fight" vs whatever the fuck is going on in the second boss of Dead Ends.

[grand mesa]

Utilise eyeballs

Do not get hit

Kill the boss

The dungeon trio

[dense bone]

Can you like

Leave me alone

[verbal oak]

no

[dense bone]

I'm sick of your baiting.

Anyway.

[grand mesa]

?

[dense bone]

Mother Porxie vs Peacekeeper. Definite difference in difficulty of mechanics right?

[grand mesa]

@verbal oak They've gone into beginners lounge to ask about panda normal, insisting on being force fed mechanics through text instead of watching a 10 min guide that was linked to them

[verbal oak]

no

[dense bone]

Please leave me alone

[verbal oak]

both are "just dodge"

[grand mesa]

Utilise eyeballs

[dense bone]

I mean I always get hit during the red aoes in Peacekeeper because I'm either a fraction of a second too early or lat and can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

[verbal oak]

the real dungeon thats difficult is the 5.1 brooms

[verbal oak]

its mostly just snapshots

[grand mesa]

Actually harder than e9s

[verbal oak]

once the red markers leave you can move into the explosion

[grand mesa]

https://youtu.be/JdcQyp8JcqQ

[dense bone]

Yeah, I know how 14 handles AoE snapshots.

There's just hardly any time to move and it feels way harder than the stuff we got in ShB.

[grand mesa]

Give up uptime

Focus on not dying

Work uptime into the not dying part once you're comfortable navigating the fight

[dense bone]

I tried that today and still got hit every time the boss did that move.

[sinful brook]

the timing on the snapshotting for normal content is very lenient

i think you might just be reacting too late

consider just being ultra safe until you get it

[noble whale]

how high is your ping

[grand mesa]

I can do zot on 250 ping without issue

It's just practice

[dense bone]

It's been weeks of expert roulettes and Peacekeeper, Big Cheese, and the roader still give me so much trouble.

[noble whale]

do you understand the mechanic part of it fully

or are you trying to figure it out while struggling with reaction time

[dense bone]

For which

[noble whale]

whatever you’re dying on

peacekeeper and big cheese

no future always has the same safe spots when the target aoes that cover most of the arena go out

this

[dense bone]

I know it does, which makes it even more frustrating that I'm still having trouble.

[noble whale]

what’s causing the issue then?

are you misclicking your wasd while panicking to move? is it ping? or just slow reaction time?

[dense bone]

i'm waiting for the first round to go away while standing in the second round and i either move to early and get hit by the first round or move too late and get hit by the second round

[noble whale]

but no future is two distinct sets of aoes

wdym standing in the second round

those haven’t even appeared yet

[dense bone]

I don't even stop DPS to try and get the timing but I still get hit.

Like in that screenshot, I'll be standing there and the next round will start to appear. I either move too early and get hit by that circle on the left, or too late and get hit by the circle from behind.

[noble whale]

there is no next round there. the second round happens after the explosion

where the op is standing in that screenshot is safe until all the explosions go off for the first time

[dense bone]

My original point being this feels so much harder than "stand in front of Mother Porxie to get knocked into the safe circle."

[frank quiver]

Uh. Not trying to downplay your issues, but it's not that hard to avoid AoE's.

[noble whale]

well yes, the game gets progressively harder as the player gets more experienced

[dense bone]

Dude there's a second set of aoes that go off that are offset from the first set.

[frank quiver]

If you're struggling with EW dungeon mechanics, you can play with Trust and try following the NPC's around.

[dense bone]

My trusts aren't leveled.

[noble whale]

yes, you move after the first set into the second safespot

you can do trusts in scenario mode

[frank quiver]

If you're practicing, you may as well level them. NPC's-- for the most part-- know where the safespots are and when to safely move into them, which seems to be your issue.

[noble whale]

my trusts are still 71 and i’ve been running them in ew dungeons

[dense bone]

Which is when I have the problem I just told you about. "i'm waiting for the first round to go away while standing in the second round and i either move to early and get hit by the first round or move too late and get hit by the second round"

[grand mesa]

Isn't the window for the second round exploding after the first 10s or smth

[frank quiver]

Maybe it's a camera issue? Maybe your movement settings are weird? Shouldn't be difficult to go "oh, explosions are over, let me move." Don't panic and move too early on normal content.

[dense bone]

The second round's markers start appearing while the first round is still going off.

[sinful brook]

yes you wait for 3 waves of the first one to go off before you go to the second one

[noble whale]

no those are part of the same wave

[grand mesa]

^

[dense bone]

????????

[sinful brook]

it might be easier or harder to consider them as separate waves

but its more like 1 round of 6? aoes

they're like exaflares in o10

[noble whale]

lmao

[sinful brook]

they just travel across the map

or whatever

[dense bone]

The first round makes a star pattern around the arena either going in or out, and the second round makes the same pattern only slightly rotated?????

[grand mesa]

https://youtu.be/8SC8tWy_Fro

Skip to 2nd boss

You can see how they dodge it

[sinful brook]

ima just remove the embed for spoolers

[noble whale]

is the spoiler ban here necessary considering its endgame discussion?

[dense bone]

I feel like I'm being gaslit.

[frank quiver]

Uh.

No. You're not being gaslit. Folks are trying to help you out.

[noble whale]

no, you're fundamentally misunderstanding the mechanic in the first place

[frank quiver]

People aren't going to lie about how a mechanic works to mess with you.

When in doubt, just watch a playthrough or a guide. That's the best way to resolve your misunderstandings.

[sinful brook]

yes new players stumble in randomly all the time to ask a non-endgame question

as much as haha we're 2 months into the expac we gotta at least respect it

[dense bone]

"The first round makes a star pattern around the arena either going in or out, and the second round makes the same pattern only slightly rotated"

[noble whale]

https://youtu.be/0kBheBwzAjU?t=136

watch their movement

[grand mesa]

Use ur eyes and look at how they dodge the pattern in the video

[vestal hollow]

peacekeeper only has one hard pattern, the rest should be very easy to eyeball

[woven tundra]

Trusts have 2 modes, Scenario and Avatar

Avatar is what u need to do to level them, Scenario will let you play with the story-relevant NPCs i believe (regardless of whether theyre levelled or not)

[dense bone]

That's what I do but I still get hit

[woven tundra]

Do you play with high ping?

[dense bone]

Like I said twice already

[vestal hollow]

the roader's easy. just run to the side that it ends on

[woven tundra]

Thats another dungeon

[dense bone]

I either move too early and get hit by the first round, or too late and get hit by the second. Even when I stop DPS and focus completely on it.

[noble whale]

the movement is like this
aoe wave 1 (3 sets of targets on the ground spawn one by one) begins telegraphing
find safe spot and stand in there
wait until the 2nd set of explosions go off
aoe wave 2 begins telegraphing
find safe spot and stand there

[dense bone]

Except for all the spots it drives on

[noble whale]

just keep an eye on how it's moving and stay at the edges

and then pop sprint to get to its final location

[vestal hollow]

watch a guide, lmao

[dense bone]

I manage to find a safe spot but then there's not enough time to run to the final safe spot.

[grand mesa]

There is

Figure it out

[vestal hollow]

there's plenty of time.

[noble whale]

not much we can say except watch a guide and see how those people move, and then copy it

you still haven't told us how high your ping is

[grand mesa]

!faq checkping

[vestal hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kBheBwzAjU&t=136s watch the guide rin linked

[storm frost]

List of IP Addresses for each Datacenter

North America
Aether: 204.2.229.9
Primal: 204.2.229.10
Crystal: 204.2.229.11

Europe
Chaos: 195.82.50.9
Light: 195.82.50.10

Japan
Mana: 124.150.157.156
Gaia: 124.150.157.157
Elemental: 124.150.157.158

Oceania
Materia: 153.254.80.103

how do I ping the IP?

Windows: Open Command Prompt and type ping *insert IP Address here*
Mac: Open Terminal and type ping *insert IP Address here*

[dense bone]

I either find a safe spot and wait for it to stop and get hit by the big AoE, or I start running to the final safe spot and get run over twice.

[vestal hollow]

watch a guide.

[grand mesa]

Watch a guide

[dense bone]

Get a new line

[grand mesa]

Watch a guide

[vestal hollow]

if you don't want to watch a video and try to improve, that's just all on you mate

[noble whale]

did you not watch the guides that we linked above?

[grand mesa]

complains x is too hard
refuses to watch a video explaining how to resolve x

?

[dense bone]

I even said I did.

[noble whale]

then it's pretty obvious there's plenty of time to adjust

[dense bone]

No?

[grand mesa]

?

[vestal hollow]

if that person can play a blm in that dungeon and get casts of there's more than enough time to move.

[woven tundra]

I'm not sure what answer you want if you've said everything suggested doesn't work

[vestal hollow]

^

[grand mesa]

I can play blackmage and maintain 100% uptime in that fight, there's more than enough time to adjust

[dense bone]

I either move too early and get hit by the first round, or too late and get hit by the second. Even when I stop DPS and focus completely on it.

[grand mesa]

I can wait for a cast to finish and move, without getting hit

[dense bone]

Idk what else you want from me

[grand mesa]

You have time

[noble whale]

the timing on that boss isn't considered fast or punishing at all. but it might seem so if that's the hardest content you've experienced in the game.

[vestal hollow]

if you just want to complain about it w/o attempting to improve then i'd say go to #rants

[dull radish]

what else do you want from everyone else?

[grand mesa]

Go into trusts and practice

[frank quiver]

Tbh, I think your best solution is to run a Trust and follow the NPC.

[grand mesa]

If you want to figure it out

[dense bone]

My. Trusts. Aren't. Leveled.

[grand mesa]

YOU

[vestal hollow]

trusts always do mechanics accurately the first time.

[grand mesa]

DO NOT NEED

[frank quiver]

Then level them. You’re struggling.

[grand mesa]

TRUSTS LEVELED

[dull radish]

it's ok if you have problems with the mechanic, sometimes a certain mechanic is just difficult for some people to figure it out

[vestal hollow]

You don't need them leveled.

[noble whale]

we said like 3 times that you don't need to level the avatars to play trust dungeons

it's a new thing with endwalker

[vestal hollow]

That's not an excuse, for like the 5th time

[dull radish]

but the mechanic itself is not flawed, is not particularly difficult. You have the time, you just haven't been able to figure out how to do it

but it is very consistent to do without much difficulty

talking in circles really doesn't help anything, people have given you more than enough information to work with

[woven tundra]

• practice (with trusts or just run the dungeon a lot in df i guess?)
• check how far you are running from an AOE, if you are moving out slightly enough (good) vs. running into narnia unnecessarily (bad)
• get a vpn if ping is an issue or learn to play around it
• watch how over people resolve the mechanics
• make sure ur popping sprint whenever available to help if ur struggling to make it on time

Thats it really

[dense bone]

It's obviously not if certain people here have made it their goal in life to mock and harass me whenever I say something anywhere in this server.

[dull radish]

that's absolutely not the case

[frank quiver]

You’re taking this way too personally. I think this conversation is over.

[dull radish]

but if you really feel so, feel free to open a modmail about it

otherwise, it doesn't really belong in this channel, or most channels really. Rants if you want to complain, otherwise we're good here

[woven tundra]

If none of these fix the issue then I dont think there is a solution really

[vestal hollow]

it's not harassment to tell you to be better bro

[austere ocean]

Maybe you just haven’t ran it enough time aka not enough practice?

[vestal hollow]

and it's not the game's fault when clearly people are able to resolve the mechanic

[noble whale]

scenario is the tab you need to click if you want to run trusts without levelling them

[austere ocean]

The first couple times the mechanics got me too but after dying a few times I learned even now it’s no where close to perfect consistent everytime either so

[noble whale]

avatars puts you back down to 71

[dense bone]

MY ORIGINAL POINT WAS that the EW experts seem way harder than ShB experts because I had no issues with any of those.

[austere ocean]

It’s not really harder tbh

[dull radish]

that's a fine opinion to have, but not one that'll likely be agreed upon by majority of people

it's about par for the course really

[dense bone]

Peacekeeper vs Mother Porxie for example.

[dull radish]

sometimes early expert dungeons might feel a little harder because you don't outgear them quite as much

compared to ones that you encounter at the end of an expansion

but the disparity is not particularly large at all, they're still rather lax

[vestal hollow]

they really aren't. and again, as people have said, it's not far fetched for them to expect players to be better at the game by the time they get to ew endgame.

[sinful brook]

The outgearing point has been made too

When the 5.4 dungeon came out we were already well above its ilvl

[grand mesa]

The missiles in DE boss 2 is just aoes with reskinned circles

[sinful brook]

Compared to now when we're min ilvl

They're just patterned exaflares that's how I treat it

[grand mesa]

Just resolve them the same way the trusts do

[noble whale]

exaflares?

[dense bone]

Gear doesn't affect being able to figure out aoes though.

[sinful brook]

Autocorrupt stinky

[dull radish]

yeah, the mechanic is similar to other mechanics we've had, with about the same difficulty

might not seem that way for you, which is unfortunate

but that's just the truth of the matter

[grand mesa]

Stare at an npc

Follow them

[vestal hollow]

watch. guides.

[dense bone]

LEAVE. ME. ALONE.

[dull radish]

I mean, people are trying to help you out

[grand mesa]

I'm giving you a solution to your issue

[dense bone]

He is not.

[dull radish]

if you want people to not help you out

[austere ocean]

Tbh dead end is the EW amaurot and it’s a lot easier than amaurot consider people still wipe to first boss and the last boss is a dps check along with some spicy pulls along the way with enemies who reduce your healer’s healing

[grand mesa]

She*

[dull radish]

then don't keep asking for help or complaining that it's impossible for you or significantly harder

[sinful brook]

I think at this point we just drop this

[grand mesa]

Yeah, lmao

[sinful brook]

Since we're talking in circles

[grand mesa]

My food is ready

[sinful brook]

Its not going to help anyone

[grand mesa]

See y'all later

[vestal hollow]

i have some tea gonna drink it and vibe

[noble whale]

has pf decided on what the best nado strat for p3s is yet

im sick of elmo strat

[dull radish]

they're all the same strat just reskinned with different names, really

[sinful brook]

Maybe come back to it if it's still bugging you but go and relax a bit and try and analyse the information provided

[dull radish]

illusion of choice

[noble whale]

idk what myta/tuufless/idk what else is

[dense bone]

He has smart comments to make whenever I say anything in the server and constantly mocks me and tells people I'm a hopeless case and I'm FUCKING SICK OF IT.

[sinful brook]

If you are concerned about how you feel you're being treated

[dull radish]

nobody has ever said any of that, you might want to step away. But this really isn't the channel for it, at all

[noble whale]

if you have an issue with a server member, take it to modmail

[sinful brook]

Use #discord-modmail

And with that cease

[dense bone]

I contacted you for help.

[noble whale]

[vestal hollow]

this is ultimately a public server, if you have an issue modmail or use the Blockfeature

anyways

[grand mesa]

There's a special strat that has tanks invuln all the nados

[vestal hollow]

nados scare me

[dense bone]

I wanted to handle it privately.

[woven tundra]

What does pf do for p4

[grand mesa]

But that's tighter than elmo

[sinful brook]

Modmail is the preferred method

[noble whale]

i hate pf nados period

at least i have a static now

[vestal hollow]

rin ur on crystal

[sinful brook]

It won't be any less private

[noble whale]

😔

[vestal hollow]

everything we do is scuffed

[noble whale]

ok true

[dense bone]

But it's clear we're going to play favorites.

[woven tundra]

What level of prog is the static

[vestal hollow]

people still do braindead intemp

[sinful brook]

I invuln nados anyways

[noble whale]

ive seen myta in pf a couple times

ILYA IS MYTA?

[woven tundra]

My tanks dont invuln p1

[grand mesa]

lmao, I'm p sure the name is a meme

[dull radish]

everything is myta

[woven tundra]

[grand mesa]

Your mom is myta

[dull radish]

even elmo strat came from myta

[vestal hollow]

you're mother

[dull radish]

just people giving it different names/adding graphics/memes

[sinful brook]

Nineteen I strongly implore you to step back and relax. Use modmail if you need to. That is all

[grand mesa]

Truly the revelation of the century

But yeah

[woven tundra]

I see the OT provoke for the grace TB

[noble whale]

wtf

[woven tundra]

I inhale

[grand mesa]

Linked stray probably needs dedicated markers

At least for the party

[woven tundra]

Whats linked stray

[grand mesa]

linked strat

autocorrect

[noble whale]

apparently the static i joined has been going fully blind until now

[woven tundra]

W... Whats linked strat

[dense bone]

Yeah, I get harassed for weeks when I ask for help and I'm the one that needs to be punished.

[noble whale]

they put out an announcement poll asking if static members want to start using guides and iwas like wtf

[dull radish]

a large number of people have tried to help you, to be called out as harrassing you. Not sure what you're expecting by continuing when told to stop

[woven tundra]

Blind p4

[woven tundra]

Im not strong enough for blind groups

[noble whale]

they made it past fof blind which isnt bad

[woven tundra]

Maybe first 2 floors

[sinful brook]

I'm actually legally blind

So

[noble whale]

fr?

[sinful brook]

Its always a blind prog

[woven tundra]

Ha ha ur blind

[grand mesa]

Noooo

[woven tundra]

Put on ur glasses

U glasses needer

[noble whale]

no stop

[grand mesa]

Is ur 2nd group still looking for a blm Cyan

chan

Fuck

[sinful brook]

The lens are like a set of binoculars

[woven tundra]

Omg

[austere ocean]

Isn’t channy alr on p4

[sinful brook]

Ye

[austere ocean]

How far y’all see it

[grand mesa]

Oh, nice

[woven tundra]

Im sorry that u have to go thru capital punishment channy

[sinful brook]

We trying to drag my fc through 3 so we can do 4

Without pf being bazingas

[austere ocean]

[grand mesa]

Drag me through 3

[sinful brook]

We put them through to enrage already today

[noble whale]

pf is copium

[sinful brook]

I wasbnapping

[grand mesa]

I think I might just take a break

[austere ocean]

yea

[noble whale]

i have to do p2s reclears before reset

🙁

[grand mesa]

I don't wanna fuck with pf anymore

[austere ocean]

You didn’t reclear this week yet? :0

[noble whale]

no cry

[grand mesa]

Just do a 0 chest if you dgaf anymore

[noble whale]

i keep waking up too late

like 4pm

[austere ocean]

Damn it’s gonna be cursed and maybe 1 chest if you are lucky

[grand mesa]

Well

[noble whale]

and by 4pm my time pf is dead

and late night gamers are all kinda annoying

takes forever to fill too

[austere ocean]

My static raid late night but it’s a static. Late night you either get gamers or cursed

Mostly cursed

[noble whale]

mostly cursed is right

[grand mesa]

I prog during peak hours and get cursed parties

[noble whale]

although i run into a lot of people from sea/oceania timezones

[grand mesa]

I don't think it's a time thing

[dense bone]

Oh, is this channel only for super hardcore gamerz doing savage? My bad, I didn't know where else to go because spoilers and stuff. Sorry

[austere ocean]

This channel is for dungeon parsers only

[grand mesa]

Only true potd speedrun gamers are allowed to talk in here

[austere ocean]

No sub 99 in dead end allowed

[vestal hollow]

dungeon parsers rise up ||https://i.imgur.com/2w3O0RB.png ||

[sinful brook]

Guess I can't talk in here I don't do savage

[subtle marsh]

: ( ( I will take my leave

I am hard grey

[noble whale]

it's endgame discussion what are you expecting

[frank quiver]

No, this channel is pretty open-ended, from what I’ve seen.

[sinful brook]

Endgame can mean a lot of things

[austere ocean]

Glam?

[noble whale]

glam

:)

[frank quiver]

That said, how many weeks should I set aside if I want to fully blind run a tier? 16 weeks, as opposed to 8 weeks?

[grand mesa]

Not expecting savage discussion in here is stupid though

lmao

[sinful brook]

But mostly it's in reference to the pve content available at cap

[noble whale]

uhhhhhhhhhh yes

it depends on your group

[sinful brook]

Particularly ultimates and savage and extremes

[noble whale]

blind pf is near impossible

[grand mesa]

Also depends on days/week and sess lengths

[frank quiver]

I’d consider our group midcore. Inconsistent, but proficient. Most of us have cleared TEA.

[noble whale]

idk if you can still find a blind static rn

[dense bone]

Well, considering I got bombarded with " dungeon easy moron" and people immediately started talking about savage...

[frank quiver]

Not for this tier. Just thinking ahead for next tier.

[woven tundra]

Clearing TEA is pretty good

[vestal hollow]

idk why you're being upset over people talking about endgame content in an endgame channel

[grand mesa]

Much easier to blind prog if ur a group of 8

[austere ocean]

I’d say only do it in the first week or 2

[grand mesa]

I wouldn't do it if you need to fill w pf

[woven tundra]

clearing TEA has to be good ... Else I become... Inferior ..

[austere ocean]

after that people start getting frustrated and guides gonna be out

[noble whale]

yeah i'd say if you can't blind prog the whole tier by week 2, switch to guides

[dense bone]

And I guess 90 dungeons aren't endgame. Again, sorry

[frank quiver]

Don’t want to do Week 1 again, tbh. Not too soon. Tried it this time, and technological issues made it a nightmare.

Folks getting logged off… waiting 2h+ for nothing…

[noble whale]

it's a bit much of an expectation to have everyone avoid raid spoilers for... 2-4 months

[vestal hollow]

bro people tried to help you but you called us gaslighters and harassers

[austere ocean]

Tbh guides are usually out at the end of week 1 so most you have is 2 weeks

[grand mesa]

W1 in the next tier might be better bc it isn't close to ew release

[subtle marsh]

How dare you spoil the arena of savage tier!?!?!?!?!?

[noble whale]

tbh i wouldn't go fully blind unless your group is going in with the same mindset as like.. w1 proggers

[frank quiver]

Hm. Maybe semi-blind would be a more appropriate expectation. Or maybe I should just ditch everyone and try to find a blind group.

[noble whale]

going blind for too long without the group skill to back it up is really demoralising

[austere ocean]

Also going blind require people to put a lot of brain together so not everyone will be up for it either

[noble whale]

mm

[dense bone]

Cuz they tried to say there wasn't two waves in the red Peacekeeper AoE mechanic. Like what lol.

[noble whale]

mod said to drop the issue

we changed subjects because of that

[grand mesa]

[frank quiver]

I’m alright with going blind for the first 3-4 runs and then turning to guides if we’re stuck, I suppose. Is that a thing statics do?

[noble whale]

now we're discussing savage in the only channel specifically about that

[vestal hollow]

anyways i dread doing p2s

[scenic lotus]

[odd stream]

[scenic lotus]

chill out

[grand mesa]

P2s is fine

If you can do p1

[austere ocean]

Perhaps for the first 2 floors

[grand mesa]

P2 is about as easy outside of harma

[subtle marsh]

I thought p2 was as easy as p1?

[vestal hollow]

i'm on crystal

[grand mesa]

It's a slight step up in diff

[noble whale]

gotta get everyone on the same page about that but yeah

[frank quiver]

Sob. The guide culture in this community is going to kill me. Thanks for the insight.

[austere ocean]

You do need some heal and mit during P2 where was P1 mit is eh

[grand mesa]

You def want like minded people

[subtle marsh]

Oic ic. Still can't be that bad. I used to raid on crystal.

[austere ocean]

You can live without mit

[vestal hollow]

it's not that bad

[austere ocean]

Just say fuck you healers

[noble whale]

blind groups fall apart quick if people don't catch on and all contribute to theorycrafting mechs

[vestal hollow]

I'm just a Very Very Anxious person, and yet i do it anyways

[subtle marsh]

I get it. I am the same way.

Come to Aether, we'll drag each other through savage together.

[austere ocean]

I’m also anxious

[grand mesa]

If p1s is easier than sosex, I'd say p2s's hardest bits is about as hard as sosex is?

I suppose

[noble whale]

my friend was in a "blind" group but they were the only person who was actually trying to figure shit out while other just sat around suggesting that they give up and start using guides

this was still week 1 too

[frank quiver]

Ah, gotcha. That must have been demoralizing.

[vestal hollow]

y'all are in quarantine

[subtle marsh]

shit, you right.

[grand mesa]

Would you transfer to aether if it was open

[vestal hollow]

no ❤️

[grand mesa]

Aren't you going to emuworld

[stable basin]

I remember doing e4s in a blind party group back in 5.5x and they wiped to the first 3 mechanics for an hour and a half

[grand mesa]

catto hatto

[vestal hollow]

i'm prolly going to zalera, yeah

[grand mesa]

Sweet

[noble whale]

yea mechanic wise savage is manageable for a lot of people but i don't think there's a lot of raiders who are capable of doing an entire tier blind

[dense bone]

Can I join you?

[stable basin]

I didn't even see half the fight in the time it would of taken groups to just do it

[austere ocean]

Only take us 1 pull to clear pun lol

[grand mesa]

Doing a whole tier blind is fatiguing, specially the last floor

[austere ocean]

With a shit ton of deaths

But we did it

[noble whale]

the skillset for blind prog is completely different to just aiming to clear

im not smart enough to do blind prog the whole way ☹️

[frank quiver]

Hm. I can definitely see coordination-heavy mechanics being difficult to figure out blind, but I assumed stuff like water slides on P2S would click fairly quickly. Maybe I’m thinking too lightly of blind prog.

[stable basin]

I mean we ignored a majority of the fight because the people you brought to carry my casket weren't brainlets

I just don't trust randoms to tie their shoes

[grand mesa]

I could try doing a tier blind, but I don't want to

[austere ocean]

But I was the top dps

I was a mch

[stable basin]

I mean

we cleared really fast anyways

[grand mesa]

A good mch will out dps most of pf nowadays

[austere ocean]

Yea those are WF people on alts

[stable basin]

one shot with your group cuz the avg dps was wicked even if I goofed

[grand mesa]

lmao

[noble whale]

yeah those slides are the same as o12s fundamental synergy but when new tiers introduce brand new mechs it'll probably be harder to figure out

hello world blind

[inland ore]

Generally blind prog stresses your ability to learn things quickly and on the fly, in addition to just generally having to be good at the game. If you want to clear the tier in a reasonable amount of time anyways.

[frank quiver]

Might aim for first two fights blind, then. That seems more reasonable. And if it doesn’t work out, then I’ll have to bend.

[vestal hollow]

TEA blind

[noble whale]

smilers

private server

paisley

jkjk

unless...?

[vestal hollow]

whenever i think about ultimates i just immediately feel terrible for the people who probably spent like 200+ hours experimenting with the fights to formalize strats

[frank quiver]

A part of me wanted to try TEA blind, but I figured that was arrogant since I was new to Ultimate at the time. After DSU, it would definitely be nice to try an older Ultimate blind.

[vestal hollow]

hahahahaha

[noble whale]

try uwu

[vestal hollow]

hahahahah

uwu is the only feasible one. maybe.

[quick verge]

try ucob

[noble whale]

no

[frank quiver]

I’ve heard that UCOB is a nightmare and that UWU is on par with the last fight of a tier, lmao.

[grand mesa]

I love how people out there still thing tps has a private server

[vestal hollow]

subjective

[odd stream]

imagine blind solving E12s P2

[vestal hollow]

for some streamers i've followed uwu has nearly made them quit the game

[noble whale]

biscuit ur fflogs link in ur bio is outdated madge

[quick verge]

ok

[frank quiver]

Huh, really? Even with guides?

[vestal hollow]

guides don't make ultis easier

at all

[scenic lotus]

mad respect for ppl who made the braindead strat for that

[odd stream]

ya

[vestal hollow]

especially when some mechanics have like.... 5 some different patterns you need to memorize

[grand mesa]

Pre ew braindead strat or smth else

[austere ocean]

People love calling everything brain dead

[grand mesa]

I just remember the strats on joons guide

[noble whale]

they do but the difficulty of figuring out the mechs blind is completely gone by the time guides come out

[inland ore]

Foxpaw wormhole strat

[grand mesa]

fox... Paw

awoo?

[frank quiver]

I’d argue that guides made TEA a lot easier. It was still difficult, don’t get me wrong. But I relied on guide strats heavily, opposed to our team improvising or whatnot.

Wormhole simulator was a godsend.

[quick verge]

stillness is the hardest mechanic in TEA ngl

[slender lichen]

does anyone have one of those animations for 3rd overflow in p2s

[quick verge]

pressing esc is hard

[frank quiver]

Goddamn stillness.

[slender lichen]

i remember there was a website with animations for savage mechs

[quick verge]

fixed

[grand mesa]

Does esc cancel aa

[inland ore]

Yup

[grand mesa]

Nice

[frank quiver]

Why can’t I cast during stillness… and not have casting count for movement. Blasphemous.

[wheat marsh]

it untargets so yes

[grand mesa]

Gonna keep that in mind

[grand mesa]

Yukizuri guide has it

But it's p much

[noble whale]

thanks

[odd stream]

maybe toolbox?

idk

[wheat marsh]

braindead strats don't matter if you need a brain to get to the braindead part XD

[slender lichen]

i know i just remembered there being a website where you could click through the mechanic to see what it looked like

but dont remember the name

[frank quiver]

Braindead just means “dumb relative to other strats,” after all. Not always actually braindead.

[scenic lotus]

!mute 165701036097404928 2h Don't antagonize people trying to help you and accuse them of gaslighting. Broke rule 1 twice. Be mindful of your attitude and be more respectful next time.

[storm frost]

Success!

@dense bone has been muted by @scenic lotus for 2 hours!

[grand mesa]

Short timer move, long timer stay

Long timer tank takes tether and leaves

Long timers move in to not get clipped by first flows

Healers top off and get hit by stack

Long timers move to resolve

[frank quiver]

You’re probably thinking of toolbox.

[grand mesa]

That's flow 3

Getting clipped by 2 proteans in nado bc ur melees don't understand max melee 💀

[frank quiver]

Have the tank move first. Avoids short timers dragging away tether shenanigans. Plenty of time to adjust.

[subtle marsh]

Dumb question, but what's ilevel minimum for the savage normal raids? 560?

[quick verge]

570 575 580 580 or smth

[grand mesa]

580 is the reasonable min these days

[slender lichen]

i think that was the name yeah

[noble whale]

savage normal??

[wheat marsh]

never got anywhere in E11s or e12s PF so i never even saw the "braindead" parts

[wheat marsh]

575 is 1-2 min, i think 580 is 3-4?

[grand mesa]

575 is fine if you're actually pressing buttons

[subtle marsh]

Gotcha. And I meant the tier normal raids because I am slow/late to the party.

[grand mesa]

But, get urself limbo and crafted

[inland ore]

565

[noble whale]

normals are 565

[grand mesa]

Oh, normal raids

[vestal hollow]

normal is 565, yeah

[grand mesa]

Yeah

Those are 565

[noble whale]

570 575 580 580 for savage

[frank quiver]

Normal shouldn’t be too high. Limbo, last dungeon drops, and maybe a crafted weapon (or EX) should suffice.

[subtle marsh]

Gotcha. Ok. So crafted is best for entering savage or do you need the normal raid drops?

[grand mesa]

Check out the pre savage budget set to see what you should aim for in terms of gear

It's usually a mix of nm, crafted and ex

But a lot of ex drops are unnecessary for prog/clear unless you're doing the last floor

[noble whale]

i didnt buy any crafted gear bc im poor

[subtle marsh]

Gotcha. I would assume the balance has that?

[wheat marsh]

for whats better it depends on job but you can clear with full crafted

[grand mesa]

Yeh

[dusk sapphire]

Im not poor, but i didnt buy any because im cheap

[subtle marsh]

I'm on Summoner.

[dusk sapphire]

😂

[grand mesa]

Full crafted is fine if you've got the money

[frank quiver]

Crafted gear prices have plummeted already. Wish they were higher. Please be rich, you all.

[dusk sapphire]

I could afford one

But at this point it's eh

[grand mesa]

Smn functions on every sps tier anyway

[dusk sapphire]

BTW, retainers dont have a lvl 90 venture yet?

[noble whale]

my poor is relative

[grand mesa]

So your gear options are pretty wide

[frank quiver]

…

[grand mesa]

Copium emoji

[subtle marsh]

Gotcha gotcha. Ty tytyty.

[dusk sapphire]

You aint poor you little shite You look like Jeff Bezos when compared to me

[frank quiver]

Bruh. You could pentameld and have enough for a house.

[subtle marsh]

First tier as a summoner instead of a filthy healer like Azu.

[stable basin]

just do 300 gliderskin maps in 2 days and your problem is solved

[odd stream]

dont bother with full crafted when you got gear from normals and really dont care about early p4s

[noble whale]

i already have a house

saving for a medium

[grand mesa]

Full crafted is just the lazy solution

[dusk sapphire]

Im hella annoyed about healing gear rn tho

[frank quiver]

Goddamn rich folks.

[dusk sapphire]

So much healing gear has piety or SpS

and i seriously just dont want none of those

[subtle marsh]

TBH, full crafted usually looks hella cool

[grand mesa]

2.48 bis rn is 600ish pie

[dusk sapphire]

0 SpS gang

[frank quiver]

Crafted gear aesthetic is eh. I’m disappointed with it.

[quick verge]

min ilvl gear has piety so ppl don't get ratio'd in early prog

[vestal hollow]

for a second i read this as horse and was like

omgg horse girl yue

[subtle marsh]

Dude, Azu. IDK how you can enjoy sage.

It's so clunky.

[noble whale]

wtf ☹️

[vestal hollow]

sage? it ain't clunky

[dusk sapphire]

It's better than ShB WHM

[subtle marsh]

it feels clunky. :(

[grand mesa]

Fun fact, you can make a 0 pie 580 set if you really wanted to

[noble whale]

sage is probably one of the smoothest healers rn

[odd stream]

your mom is clunky

[subtle marsh]

But I am but smol brain dps player

[dusk sapphire]

im gonna try and get the tome pants next week, and the weapon the week after tho

[inland ore]

I wish SCH had the QoL of SGE.

[subtle marsh]

tbh, I think so, too.

[dusk sapphire]

tome pants is BiS, the weapon i need it for prog i guess

[vestal hollow]

sage feels so smooth, yeah

[quick verge]

i wish sch had kardia

[frank quiver]

Most folks seem to like SGE.

[quick verge]

like the old days :/

[grand mesa]

Just get tome wep if you get the disc

[odd stream]

sch has kardia

[scenic lotus]

fookin 2b

spit

[grand mesa]

iL>substats unless the stats are absolute garbage

[quick verge]

it had kardia

[wheat marsh]

i feel like im doing things with sage yet it doesn't feel like heals are happening XD