How long until ACT is unbroken
#endgame-lounge
echo ibex
quick verge
check ACT discord to see if there’s a beta plugin
drowsy agate
most people aren't concerned with team comp to begin with
people just play whatever they like and as long as everyone is a different class, the static just rolls with it
BLM is a less popular class as well so generally people are gonna gravitate toward summoner and rdm for double caster comps
echo ibex
Wich one would be your guys ideal comp at this patch?
quick verge
the uninstall button
stable basin
lots of melee but only one blm
also if you run blm as your first caster then the question is econd melee vs rdm/smn which is a lot easier to choose
stable basin
Wich one would be your guys ideal comp at this patch?
not 100% but I think speed comp is prolly drk/drk/sch/sge/sam/nin/blm/brd or sth
frank quiver
Huh, is NIN still that valuable? I thought MNK was bonkers this tier.
torn kindle
Brotherhood is 5% every 120 seconds for 15 seconds
Trick attack is 5% every 60 seconds for 15 seconds
frank quiver
Ah, gotcha.
stable basin
yeah trick gets insane value with drk/sam
swift chasm
if I'm getting one tapped by limit cut safe to say I'm getting hit twice right
in classical gear
covert lotus
may be that or may be that a person who's getting hit before you (if you're blue marker) standing too close to you, so your proximity damage is increased
sinful brook
are you talking about actual limit cut in tea
or the "limit cut" in p2s
because in both its because you're getting hit twice
finite plank
it's either, you're too close because your gear or you got hit by 2 things
austere ocean
You could also die to damage also
When you don’t have gear, and even when you do, the charge hurts like a bitch
gear helps a bit but you still need to be relatively full going into it
final drum
sinful brook
Wrong channel?
sinful brook
Check #lodestone-news-na @final drum there's ddos atm
late wraith
does the asphodelos mythos books always drop on reclear? unlike chests
late wraith
ah okay, thanks
sullen carbon
on raids, when do they usually change the tokens you can earn and apply echo?
wheat marsh
tokens dont change, just able to farm them.
lyric summit
when the next tier comes out (6.2) the loot and books get uncapped and echo gets added
or a few weeks earlier in some 6.18 patch
sullen carbon
Ahhhh cool.
sullen carbon
tokens dont change, just able to farm them.
I meant more like when they drop the weapon requirement from 7 to 4 blades, add echo, uncap loot and books, etc
wheat marsh
generally when they are or will soon be outdated and new prog gear comes.
sullen carbon
so basically 6.2, 6.18 earliest
Thanks
Got until then to try and clear Asphodelos
stable basin
Any shield healer on Crystal want to help with raid training for P1s and P2s?
vernal reef
What is the best time of day to do party finder savage raids?
Along with days of the week
Im North America.
sinful brook
but otherwise you just sorta peek the pf listing during prime time hours
prime hours are just usually the time when most people are home from work
starts around like 5-6est (2-3PST)
and ends closer to the night time when most people go to bed
torn kindle
The further away from Tuesday, the less parties there generally is
People like to meme that it’s a sliding scale of difficulty for getting clears/prog the closer to Monday it is
austere ocean
It’s so true though
People who want last minute clear 2 chests on Sunday or Monday 
thorn plaza
Gonna get into UwU with my blue mage static, is BiS for that raid still a thing or nah
sinful brook
you can't do uwu with blue mage
thorn plaza
I know.
They were my blue mage static, but we cleared all the blue mage raids and stuff and we decided to try an Ultimate
and we decided to do UwU
sinful brook
ah i see now
sinful brook
!faq ultimatesync
storm frostBOT
thorn plaza
aight so like basically just the relic matters?
sinful brook
the check is pretty lenient
you don't need the relic
its fine if you don't have it
but it is nice because it can cap a bunch of substats
thorn plaza
Would a eureka one be better
For way more substats
Or would a relic with like
Crit SpS and Det work fine
thorn plaza
AST
Would it be better to equip something like the E12S chestpiece instead of the 580 crafted gear?
thorn plaza
well the 580 crafted piece doesn't have crit on it while the E12S chest does.
austere ocean
When I did tea, I didn’t even use E12S chest. If you are going to try and min maxing, why not go for their BiS?
Old ultimates like uwu and ucob you go in with the current tier BiS according to balance
So unless you are dead set on doing E12S for some reasons, it’s no point trying to farm E12S for BiS. This is assuming you already clear the first tier of asphodelos and has it BiS
torn kindle
You can use the panda normal chest
i580 and crit/Det
Or the savage version which is also crit/Det
pallid gorge
don’t think it has ever been “needed”
they make things maybe 1 2% comfier but you arent clearing TEA bc you have shadowless ¯_(ツ)_/¯
austere ocean
is shadowless gear no longer needed for TEA
Only if you are parsing really
But I did it in non BiS as an ast and while I was a bit slower, it’s not that big of a difference
quick verge
parsing TEA is like 20 factors that are out of your control
torn kindle
Just don’t get Stillness 4head
quick verge
not even that
p1 and p2 kill times + critting on your padding is just rolling the dice
w/ rng and the actual ppl in your group
kill p2 or smth too fast on some (at least 1) job and you want to scream
kill too slow and you also want to scream
verbal oak
Just don’t get Stillness 4head
just uptime it ez
quick verge
losing 1 gcd during stillness is inconsequential compared to playing like a degenerate (and critting) for the first 5 mins anyway
finite plank
that means i'd still probably hit slightly harder, yes?
tight helm
Can someone explain how the d3mt swap in p1s works? I know they'll swap for the last crystal but what about the second crystal?
vernal breach
while i have no idea what d3mt is.. i can hazard a guess...
you simply stand in the square that will prep your color for the icecube of your flex position
...so much like everyone else, you just spend the 2nd crystal preparing for the 3rd crystals color, so whereas most people will prep for their assigned square, the 2 people set to swap will prep for each others square instead
sinful brook
d3 means third dps
usually a pranged/caster
mt is main tank
its just flex intemperance but if the main tank and the person to their left/right did it instead of off tank and their dps partner
lilac cipher
Can someone explain how the d3mt swap in p1s works? I know they'll swap for the ...
You might want to ask at your static and where you get the Macro from. Each region has its own way of progging.
true beacon
Classical hands or Limbo hands for whm?
verbal oak
Classical hands or Limbo hands for whm?
classical
supple sail
If your flex partner’s third crystal is opposite colour of your first crystal, stand in the middle for second explosion
If your flex partner’s third crystal is the same colour as your first crystal, you need to stand south for second explosion
Ez
And if the southern square is 3x ice, you don’t need to swap
You return to your starting square for third explosion
versed finch
thorn plaza
Just be a healer, you don't need to flex.
Just go mid and take your third explosion after
tight helm
If your flex partner’s third crystal is opposite colour of your first crystal, s...
So I never have to stand north for second explosion?
supple sail
If it’s a swap configuration, no that can’t happen
I forget if it happens if it’s not a swap honestly
Because I just solve the mechanic in the moment by looking at the required colours rather than memorising each configuration
Yeah it’s checked, if it’s a non-swap configuration then you go home square, south, home square
Always
Ah for the swap configs I was wrong though
If it’s bottom-first swap you go home, north, north
But it’s way easier to just think about your own responsibility to resolve your colour rather than the configuration overall
So you look at south square to see if it’s triple ice
If it is, then you’re not swapping
So you can think of it as
Soak home square, look at what the last colour will be on your square
And since it’s the same colour in that instance you know you need to soak a crystal of the opposite colour (for 2nd explosion) to change your debuff
So you won’t die when you come back and soak again
And if it’s not triple ice south
Then you do the same thought process, but you look at north spot as your third soak instead of your home square
E.g. my first soak was fire, is the last crystal on north also fire? If yes then I need to soak whichever square has ice during 2nd explosion
So I won’t die when I soak 3rd
And if no, then you don’t need to soak whichever square has ice during second soak, you can just go mid so your element does not change
Yeah my initial explanation was actually kinda bad and wrong
But that’s because I’ve never actually memorised what the movements are
You can just do it by reaction
tight helm
Is it possible that first and third soak is ice?
I know north second soak is always fire, so in that case I'll need to soak 2nd north
supple sail
Yes
That’s correct
I led you wrong with my earlier explanation because I was just going off monkey brain
Gotta just get the colour you need
tight helm
Will I always need to soak second or are there cases where I don't need to soak second
Because the person who first taught me said don't need to think just soak your tower, change your colour and then go north, but I think I either fucked up during my reclear or their advice was wrong
torn mesa
- check if south panel is 3 ice - don't need swap altogether if this is the case
- look at the order cubes go off - match your color to your partner's 3rd cube color, swapping an element on the 2nd explosion if necessary
if you get case 2, which element you take, and whether you take an element altogether depend on order/color of your partner, just take a look and adjust
vernal breach
theres some wonderful logic to the swap mechanic
from the tank pov, i basically only remember 2 things (i assume its the same for the dps)
if a swap is necessary, i know i will always always end on the square of me flex partner
if i dont have to move during the 2nd square... i dont move
torn mesa
the logic is basically 3 decisions:
- flex or braindead
- if flex, determine partner's 3rd cube - do I need to swap during 2nd explosions
- if swapping, N/S
vernal breach
you dont actually have to determine the partner's 3rd cube, i never look at their cube
for example, if i see that theres 2 consecutive blue cubes going off.... you HAVE to move
actually i guess i should check the dps lads to see if its still true for them lol
torn mesa
no because if there's 2 consecutive blue cubes on tank's, and you get fire first as DPS
you can just go your panel-middle-their's
vernal breach
huh, yeah i guess as a dps you would be concerned for your partners square 
torn mesa
trust me when I say it's really nothing
daring dome
man what is this
ive never understood the flex strat where your life depends on some mfs not being asleep at the wheel
vernal breach
welcome to savage where 95% of mechanics depends on some mfs not being asleep at the wheel
daring dome
me and my static have a strat where you either move clockwise once on the 1st or 3rd pattern or you dont move at all and its like 1 callout
god knows why pf doesnt do this
impossible to fail because you can instantly tell who is fucking it up
vernal breach
....well
- prolly cuz its easier to just have 2 people adjust
- you can tell who is fucking up the flex too... its just those 2 people lol
daring dome
idk its easier to have everyone adjust a maximum of 1 time and if you sont know what youre doing you can at least rely on others positions
frank quiver
?
Why increase the chance of failing.
Just have two people adjust rather than risk all eight being asleep.
daring dome
whats being increased
vernal breach
you have 8 people doing something opposed to just 2 players
daring dome
do all 8 people simultaneously forget how to move left once or not
torn mesa
you're also making the flex strat
sound way harder than it is
if you can figure out yourself where the safe spot for shining cells is, you can do flex no problem
it's that easy
frank quiver
do all 8 people simultaneously forget how to move left once or not
Sure, when all eight people are from PF or when people don’t want to raid and are half-asleep, lol. I’d rather risk two people vs. all eight. It’s a simple mechanic regardless.
torn mesa
and even if you fail flex
you won't wipe the party
you just go to the square and die
torn mesa
there are people in NA PF
who want to put TM together for FoA
"to be consistent with first gloryplume"
vernal breach
thats why you play pld, so when spread foa comes
you can run the fuck away
fuck that shit im out
torn mesa
that's why you don't PF
daring dome
ive also seen screenshots of sac strat p1
i swear i didnt see that in eu after like
day 3
torn mesa
yes, most common NA thing to do
daring dome
max
torn mesa
is to just have a tank eat the DD
daring dome
chaos raiders with big egos would never put up with that
torn mesa
this is obviously in the context of a clearing/learning party
daring dome
tbh if you do the eat the DD strat on p1 youre probably not clearing
torn mesa
oh you 100% still can clear lol
vernal breach
oh no, you will
torn mesa
the DPS check is a complete joke
daring dome
i know
vernal breach
like if you arent trying to clear week 1
odds are, people dont know how to flex
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1Y0hbnmEQqF-lCpoHeKyuqc0cXCm6IFACIaYOqouTHo/https/i.imgur.com/wNPZ0fN.png?width=330&height=92
like i imagine as time goes on...
daring dome
but theyll fail fourfold by beinf unable to stand still somehow
torn mesa
P3S is basically PF's bane
daring dome
like if you have to do a DD strat for p1 i assume your brain is very smooth
vernal breach
smooth as a well ironed shirt
daring dome
no wrinkles
torn mesa
I've got nothing against it if people want to be lazy, as it doesn't affect me
but it's what that implies
that could be a problem
daring dome
well yeha thats the issue lol
torn mesa
like if they do the rest of the mechanics fine, then whatever. that if is rarely happening though
torn mesa
I'd feel that way only if I had someone like that in my static
PUGs in any MMO are TERRIBLE
literally definition of "expect nothing and still disappointed"
daring dome
as much as people shit on xiv pf its been usually ok
you just got to sort out the bad ones
torn mesa
this is where we'll have to agree to disagree
vernal breach
my static uses the same ol PF grief strats for p3s, the only difference tho is that they can atleast do reclears in like half an hour
lol
torn mesa
though to be fair, I'm spoiled from being in a really good static from a past MMO
it says a lot that people prefer Elmo as the SoA strat
when it's a terrible strat as a whole
vernal breach
i have mixed feelings about mines
like they're awful.. but we're clearing
but it looks and feels awful... but we're clearing
but they have grey parses...but we're clearing
fuck it man, if it works it works
🤷♀️
daring dome
i do reclears on my alt and i just leave a party if i see at least 2 people with grey parses
torn mesa
depends what your goals are ultimately
daring dome
worked out so far
torn mesa
if I was to PF a reclear
I'd say 2 wipes to something like fourfold = leave
for me at least
vernal breach
hey now, dont underestimate the grey parses
it'll still beat enrage
torn mesa
on P3S, if I see a tank not move boss north, that's also a leave
vernal breach
we pull it south 
daring dome
either it means theyre dying or theyre just not very good at the game
but like
median grey with 3 parses
i dont fuck w that
torn mesa
I say 2 wipes for me personally cause some people will occasionally fuck up due to random reasons
but I see no excuse for someone who's cleared the fight more than once to fail something as simple as shackles multiple times
daring dome
i gladly go into helper parties to help people with a clear but reclears better go like baddabing baddaboom
vernal breach
well, what i would have said
if it was p3s instead of p1s
is that thers no guarantee that yuo will end up in a better party
even if u do leave
daring dome
endwalker the "i fuvking hate birds" expansion
torn mesa
straight up asked that too
like you can only blame yourself if you stay with a terrible static, and PF by extension as well
I mean at this point, PF is definitely worse than when raid dropped
daring dome
ive made a list of the hardest ffxiv mechanics
- staying still
- going to the same position every time
- figuring out left or right
- counting to 4
torn mesa
good players are doing any of these:
-playing other games
-parsing
-in statics
daring dome
put all of these in 1 raid
torn mesa
here's perhaps the most shocking part
daring dome
call it an ultimate
daring dome
eeeeeeh depends.
torn mesa
they'd have to be really bad, to be worse than those tanks you get when queueing for roulette
that don't use cooldowns outright
daring dome
maybe the hyper casuals
torn mesa
or those DPS that single target on AoE
daring dome
but most people i see can grasp the basics
vernal breach
i was watching the WoW race to world first the other day
torn mesa
like bad PF players still probably do 60%~ of their potential damage
bad players outright = ice mages and the like
daring dome
its pretty rare that i get aggressively bad parties even in DF
maybe once in every month if i did leveling roulette every day
bad pf players are definitely bad
torn mesa
for me it's probably around
once a week~
if all I did was 1 expert roulette
like that level of bad genuinely makes PF bad look good in comparison
daring dome
theres definitely some mfs who are terrible at the game but theyre usually new
i cant fault them
torn mesa
see if it was leveling roulette, I'd excuse it
daring dome
i was bad when i was new
torn mesa
expert means you at least finished MSQ and then some
daring dome
nah even in expert
torn mesa
"expert"
daring dome
msq is pretty baby
i exoect the basics and nothing else and i usually get that
the level of people who dont know anything about the game is a bit overstated
torn mesa
your expectations/reality are both higher than mine then
daring dome
healers are the excepction
torn mesa
i'm going to emphasize the people I'm referring to are a clear minority
but the worst is really that bad to me
daring dome
but its like, more an mmo thing that healers dont know how to attack because its kind of not how healers are supposed to work in anyones head lol
torn mesa
I honestly think
14 is a pretty easy MMO
both at the endgame level, and especially at the introductory level
daring dome
i play it for the teamwork and theres definitely a lot of interesting strats and optimisations you can do
torn mesa
see to me, when people are able to meticulously optimize fights down to a rotation they can execute perfectly/near-perfectly
it shows that the ceiling is comparatively lower
daring dome
i like that its pretty easy to grasp in spite of that and you still have room for more interesting stuff
torn mesa
that is a true and fair point
then again, I very much doubt MMOs, especially those with a huge western audience, will be too difficult again
daring dome
mechanics can be easy but to be a good player theres more required of you
torn mesa
most people at the end of the day are more casual
daring dome
like being able to adjust
incredible how mamy 99 parsers are just
bad
they can only do the same thing every time and are unable to do anything else
torn mesa
that's a good point; to hit 99 percentile in 14 IMO is much easier than what you'd need to put in to hit 99 percentile in some other games
torn mesa
there is more to it than those 2 things, but yes, those can diminish the impact of skill expression
fights like P1S are especially guilty of this
daring dome
its what it comes down to in the end
torn mesa
because they're basically dummies
the difference between an ideal rotation mapped out based on KT vs just following something ripped from balance to the letter
is about 1%
torn mesa
I don't know numbers for other classes; I do know for SAM it's nearly exactly 1%
daring dome
rdps for drk in particular is the worst
torn mesa
rDPS for tank to begin with is stupid
daring dome
you do the opposite of your job
and adps is dependant on you either crit lucking likr a dog
or having a ninja
torn mesa
well both depend on crit
daring dome
fflogs ranking metrics kind of just blow but solving this is impossible anyway
torn mesa
this is the classic case of "we got nothing better"
torn mesa
because anything better takes so much effort/resources to work out
daring dome
please
torn mesa
it's just not worth it
torn mesa
but I'm of the opinion that
daring dome
actual design failure
torn mesa
crit in general is an outdated concept
that adds unnecessary randomness at a competitive level in exchange for the "satisfaction factor"
games where endgame crit % is inherently pretty low like 14 exacerbate this
daring dome
eh it gives a reason to at least replay fights for crit which is why its staying
torn mesa
see, I come from MMOs where the endgame is mostly PvP
daring dome
it does fuel a lot of the replayability of the fights whivh i appreciate because savage is very cool actually
i play fights again just for the sake of it but many wouldnt
torn mesa
the fun part for me is week 1 when you have 0 idea what you're doing
any optimization/parsing runs following pale in comparison in terms of degree of enjoyment
daring dome
i do them again on other classes or do dumb strats but if other people are doing it for crit farming at least id still have people to play with
wet heath
Whats wrong with rdps as a general use metric exactly lol
verbal oak
Whats wrong with rdps as a general use metric exactly lol
the main issue is that it doesnt really show what selfish jobs do
wet heath
I feel like saying "rdps is the opposite of what a drk does" indicates misunderstanding of how it works
verbal oak
well yeah, DRK has no raid buffs
wet heath
In what way does it not show the performance of selfish jobs
verbal oak
Adps better shows what selfish jobs can do, bc very rarely is everything going to be 100% perfect
wet heath
I dont see the correlation with rdps and things needing to be perfect
Also, adps can be metagamed
Just load up with buffs and get free adps. Its not a particularly useful metric on an individual basis for that reason
verbal oak
ye, but theres a reason it and Ndps exist
just seeing RDPS wont always show the whole picture
wet heath
Its valuable to have all 3 metrics, they all do exist for a reason
Rdps is the most valuable though because its the best representation of a jobs performance in a team setting for high end content
verbal oak
ye
wet heath
Ndps is kind of a copium metric though lol
my ndps was higher, i wouldve done better if my team was good
wet heath
I mean what are you gonna use ndps for other than that
Its decent as a personal indicator if you performed your job well
stable basin
The part that makes me 🤔 is
For selfish jobs
rDPS=nDPS
So you've demonstrated why rDPS sucks as a metric for them lol
wet heath
I play ninja
So for me its not very useful and for selfish jobs it doesnt do anything that rdps metric doesnt do
stable basin
Guess I'll inform you then
drk opti is all about putting your potency into other people's buffs
the difference in rdps for the drk if they put an edge in trick vs go full content creator is exactly 0
it doesn't show skilled play, it just shows if you made major mistakes
wet heath
If you opti enough and improve your KT then your rdps will improve as well
supple sail
That’s not the point
Some forms of opti are not shown in your rDPS
Not a complicated concept tbh
stable basin
I'm like
You play NIN right
I have played DRK just a little bit
I'm trying to explain to you
wet heath
I never made any claim that its a perfect metric lol
I just dunno why youd complain about how it effects selfish jobs
wet heath
Its trash because it doesnt show how much you feed people's buffs or what
stable basin
I really wish it had a different name
yeah
In SHB, DRK had about equal or slightly higher aDPS than PLD
PLD had much higher rDPS
DRK was frequently taken in speedruns
Because rDPS for selfish jobs is totally irrelevant
Your total raid contribution if you have no raidbuffs is your aDPS
verbal oak
PLD had much higher rDPS
how would PLD have higher Rdps? isnt it selfish?
wet heath
You mean you yourself dont have raid buffs to give.
stable basin
ndps is exactly the same as rdps for selfish jobs
stable basin
how would PLD have higher Rdps? isnt it selfish?
rdps doesn't actually measure the damage you do, it's a completely made-up number
pld happened to be better at making that number
while drk did more damage
verbal oak
oh yeah thats right PLD had 60s vs drks 90
stable basin
rdps is basically your potency multiplied by your substats
PLD on a dummy would do more damage
wet heath
The average pf group isnt gonna opti enough to make that kinda stuff matter lol
stable basin
But DRK put so much more potency into raidbuffs
idk where the average PF group came from
wet heath
Try being a gamer that feeds buffs when the dancer difts tech step to oblivion
supple sail
RDPS basically just helps people understand that raidbuffs are a thing that jobs have
stable basin
It's about not getting a backwards idea of what's going on
supple sail
The average pf group isn’t going to play at a level where any balance consideration matters tbh
wet heath
Thats why for the average person its a pretty decent metric cuz things like buff optimization for selfish jobs doesnt really enter their mind lol
stable basin
For the average person it's still wrong though
frank quiver
Folks parse based on rDPS, though. And take pride in it. Can be a bit misleading.
wet heath
And speed groups shouldnt really care either since all theyre after is a faster KT
stable basin
Like metrics exist to be used, if they're not accurate the answer isn't I'll keep being inaccurate because I don't care about the thing it's measuring
It's oh hey maybe I look at the more accurate version
verbal oak
For the average person it's still wrong though
what should the average person look at then?
adps 50th percentile?
stable basin
depends what you're measuring
I have my own pet metric which I think is more accurate and which I haven't bothered putting out there much because there's zero chance the average person can comprehend what it's doing
But it basically just adds the gains measuring in adps and the gains measured in rdps to ndps, so you get both sides of the story
and it comes out to adps+rdps-ndps, which for selfish jobs just becomes adps
If I was trying to say what jobs were good or bad, I'd look at that using 95th percentile
If you're trying to judge performance, you either filter to the same comp, killtime, and gear, or you start looking at individual casts
wet heath
How different would it really be lol
stable basin
The rankings don't reshuffle dramatically
But it shows MCH being much worse than people think for one
stable basin
Yeah but it's actually even worse
MCH is the phys ranged of phys ranged
It's completely uninspired and got jack all in EW when it needed a ton of work done on it
If people weren't slaves to content creator opinions people would be crying about MCH 5x louder than they've been complaining about DRK
wet heath
what *should* the average person look at then?
Since we cant look at this custom metric i think rdps will suffice for the average person lol
verbal oak
they somehow added almost nothing yet made putting queen in raid buffs even worse
stable basin
The secret there is you don't even look at numbers without plenty of caveats anyway
you got a 73, is that good? who knows
if you got that in crafted gear you're a certified gamer
If you got that in full bis with optimal killtime and party comp you're a clown
wet heath
Ilvl parsing is another matter lol
I wish we had it
I suspect its not possible due to square enix stance on third party software tho
frank quiver
Eh… if you had IL parsing, you’d just get folks grinding for pinks across all the categories.
wet heath
Cant access that info reliably
frank quiver
Don’t even know how you’d determine the boundaries.
stable basin
If you're looking at overall job performance, if you don't want to run calculations you can look at adps for selfish jobs and rdps for buff jobs but you can't compare between the two
wet heath
Don’t even know how you’d determine the boundaries.
Wow has it
frank quiver
Huh, really? Dunno anything about WoW.
stable basin
the technology just isn't there yet 
wet heath
And my understanding is that the leaderboard doesnt care what ur ilvl is but itll still tell you like
"Hey for.someone of ur gear level u did ok"
torn kindle
It’s funny that MCH’s only new skill (not counting trait upgrades) is basically an AoE Air Anchor on a longer cooldown
wet heath
So like you might have a 50 percentile on the leaderboard but ur performance for ur ilvl is 80 percentile
torn kindle
MCH on life support
stable basin
you know MCH is bad because people don't even bother complaining about it
torn kindle
Time to completely overhaul the job again. /s
Just make sure to keep a central cooldown that hates people with high ping
As is tradition of MCH
wet heath
Idk what ur talking about, they tested with simulated high ping and it was fine 
Must be ur machine
torn kindle
They tested with that sweet 3 ping being in a room 10ft away from the datacenter
stable basin
skillwifi issue
verbal oak
playing MCH with high ping should count as a proc job
torn kindle
RDM at high ping is psychological torture
verbal oak
same with reaper id imagine right
torn kindle
God I have to put faith in my button presses that I spend the last 2 pink stacks before communio
And even then I almost always clip my GCD
80 ping btw
wet heath
Reaper doesnt do weaves during shroud, right?
storm frostBOT
!action lemures claws
wet heath
Oh hm
Mine is only level 86
The job doesnt actually become full until lvl 90 does it lol
torn kindle
!action Lemure’s Slice
storm frostBOT
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wet heath
Like more so than most
torn kindle
Outside of Enshroud you’re complete at 88
90 just gives you a proper finisher to Enshroud
But if you want to ignore Plentiful Harvest, the job is basically “complete” at 80
wet heath
Its kinda silly how much the job changes from lvl 79 to lvl 90 lol
Lvl 70 reaper is some boring shit ngl
torn kindle
82 gives Harvest moon which is mostly a downtime tool, 84 buffs Arcane Crest, 86 gives you weaves during enshroud, 88 gives you a big shroud generator, and 90 gives you the finisher for enshroud
wet heath
Physical ranged vibes
stable basin
In keeping with tradition, I'm pro as heck at level 70 rpr and don't rly know how to play 90 rpr
fast pollen
SAM question. Currently at P3S should I use my Ogi namakiri on big birds or save it for boss?
stable basin
depends what you can get away with
Ideally you don't use resources in birds other than what will get wasted via overcap if you don't spend them anyway
Obviously you gotta dump stuff if you'll wipe to enrage otherwise
But slower birb kills/more resources going into the boss is generally better
fast pollen
Thing is my static hasn't gotten past add phase yet... I'll try dumping everything on big birds for now and optimize later if we don't meet enrage timer
stable basin
vernal breach
you can do all sorts of other stuff in place of dumping cds on adds
like grouping adds and aoe em with lb1
echo ibex
SAM question. Currently at P3S should I use my Ogi namakiri on big birds or save...
Key is to dmg birds as soon as tether goes up
And when you gain your position
sinful brook
Hit the birds the second they become targetable
That's right as the raidwide goes out
Holding tab and facing the direction of a bird will instantly target it the moment that becomes possible
misty zephyr
In P4S, what do you if Bloodrake affects the same people twice? Who gets tethers and debuffs?
misty zephyr
And that won't kill?
dull radish
yeah, that won't kill
the only way that someone dies is if they take a mechanic they weren't supposed to take there (or you clip someone with the tether AoE, of course). Doesn't matter if someone has to take both if that's what the bloodrakes designate
covert lotus
you only take dmg from tethers too, so you'd take the same dmg from doing both rot and tether or just tether
swift chasm
for intemperance, when the middle cubes go off do all 3 available squares have to be occupied by someone?
will it always work out that way?
drowsy agate
"all 3"?
for intemperance, every square that isn't the purple instakill or the middle one has to have a player
usually means that the first and third explosions, all 8 perimeter squares are occupied
and for the middle one, just the top and bottom
and yes, there are only a certain number of patterns for intemperance and all 3 of them work out that way
swift chasm
cool ty
naive shale
so i keep seeing in PF people asked who want to join to bring AM, anyone know what is that?
quick verge
for uwu?
that's auto marker i think
where u get automatically marked for that one mechanic
the rock one
sinful brook
It marks you for priority positioning for titan gaol and landslide, and suppression it marks the person who has the gaol
Just react better instead 5head
abstract mica
hi i have a question regarding p3s sunbird adds
do they deal physical damage or magic damage?
tame igloo
phys
abstract mica
ah i see thanks
sinful brook
so it like use the signs 123 thing ?
Yes it's an act trigger that places the markers on the heads of the players who will get the gaol
Numbers them so they know which position to stand
naive shale
Yes it's an act trigger that places the markers on the heads of the players who ...
ah i see
thx for the info :o
wheat marsh
have they said what the clear is going to be to unlock the next ultimate?
drowsy agate
almost certainly will be p4s
vernal breach
probably p8s
drowsy agate
no, the ultimate is coming out in 6.11
or one of the 6.1x patches
p8s literally won't be out
vernal breach
i c i c
timber haven
hello someone can reply to my question
we were 5 friends 4 of us close p3s this week and we want to start progress p4s
the other one had problems and when we close it he wasnt with us
its possible to that 5th friend progress with us in p4s WITHOUT close p3s?
vernal breach
yeah
timber haven
THANKS
drowsy agate
its possible to that 5th friend progress with us in p4s WITHOUT close p3s?
they will forfeit their p3s clear this week
if they do this
just be aware
if they don't clear p3s ahead of time, but enter p4s, then they do not qualify for p3s loot
timber haven
if they don't clear p3s ahead of time, but enter p4s, then they do not qualify f...
ok ty
quick verge
no, the ultimate is coming out in 6.11
.11
drowsy agate
thanks yeah i know it was a 6.1something
vernal breach
say are there any downsides to having 1 tank eat both heart stakes
naive shale
it also helps bit for act 4 explosion i think? since you have 1 extra long cd for mitigating the auto while u take some raidwide from tether breaking
dusk sapphire
When is the knockback invuln pressed when it's water+cape?
sinful brook
i just press it as you see the second hole start blowing
so when it shows poison/fire
odd stream
naive shale
When is the knockback invuln pressed when it's water+cape?
afaik halfcast of the northern cast thing
where he will use either cape or sword
dusk sapphire
where he will use either cape or sword
yeah but i kinda wanna just braindead get both cape+water done
naive shale
yeah it will cover water afaik
if you do it that way afaik both water and kb from cap will be covered
dusk sapphire
yeah it will cover water afaik
yeah im watching xeno's video, and he says is this part of the castbar...except he cant be sure, because he is a WAR and "LOL INNER RELEASE"
dusk sapphire
ok so the water falls as the castbar is at 90%
so basically, between 50% and 90% you're safe to cast the KB invuln
naive shale
yeah
dusk sapphire
earlier than that? you get fucked by cape
later than that? you get fucked by water
naive shale
6 seconds should be plenty of time i think
dull radish
I just generally use it when I hear the water go off. You have a decent bit of leeway, it's not especially tight
finite plank
you can hit kbi when the bar fills the first two letters of [nesw] shift
well, that's what i do
i still have no clue when does thunder pinax go off
only 2 minute lightning i know
compact lark
in curtain finale p4s, the towers spawn is it always NW SE? or its random intercardinals?
covert lotus
it's either ne sw or nw se
compact lark
i see thank you
mortal niche
So what do y’all predict he mechanics will be for the end singer EX
I’m betting on more tank meteors
stable basin
Some twist on the second phase. Turn it from a victory lap into an actual challenge. As it stands, we barely get to see the mechanics while we slap her down. But what we can see previewed will probably become meaningful
The planets will obviously become untelegraphed, and probably go parallel, leaving small safespot slices only
The "streaming tears" aoe will probably become more complex, maybe need to be baited back to leave a safespot?
Other than that - some entirely new stuff, too.
stable basin
When is the knockback invuln pressed when it's water+cape?
I just run to the wall and hit arm's length when I get there and I haven't died to it yet
ofc we're doing a strat where we get knocked by water for uptime now but I never died doing it the old way
echo ibex
When is the knockback invuln pressed when it's water+cape?
I just do it at 60-70% of the cast bar
swift chasm
question about braindead orbs
isn't it possible for 2 adjacent DPS to have the same role so they can't pop both H and T bubbles
covert lotus
debuff type that you get doesn't matter. acting role healer can pop both tank and healer orbs just fine
swift chasm
oh...
vernal breach
i cant say ive ever actually looked at the orbs attached to me, or the orbs that im running into
now thats braindead
neat trench
after augmented cryptlurker, whats the next gear progression
steady pebble
84 crafted HQ gear or 85 dungeon gear
neat trench
84 crafted HQ gear or 85 dungeon gear
no more poetics purchesable gears?
steady pebble
no, poetics are only for old content
90 uses different tomestones
aphorism for uncapped gear, astronomy for weekly capped
dusty dirge
so does scholars use succor for big damage in raids
finite plank
depends on what it is
if it's really big and deployment is available
adlo + deploy
stable basin
Is there a way to learn a healer job without being a total ass to poor players forced to suffer through my learning curve? I usually tank, but have been eying scholar lately.
fresh marlin
Go to try an EX the standard is low low
or even just do p1
apparently it’s a good kick off for new healers
assuming you’re already decent in savage that is
stable basin
yeah, close to finishing P4S with my tank
fresh marlin
Yeah just jump into p1s
I mean not entirely blind to the job at 90 though
I’d do like mock runs of normal raids to check out my kit and hypotheticals
stable basin
I did a few trust runs through the dead ends
fresh marlin
Tbh good but it’s no raid
stable basin
But it feels like it runs a lot different with bots than with real players
fresh marlin
Oh wait this is a bout dungeons too
Tbh jump into expert roulette and say you’re new
but they should pull wall to wall anyway
stable basin
All endgame actually. I want to have "basic job completence" before wasting other people's raid night
fresh marlin
I’d get something somewhere else I could use analysis on tk check I’m doing my job right
stable basin
And that includes things like having the "eye" for much healing is actually needed, when to switch to DPS, ...
fresh marlin
For experts I’d explain I’m new
so if stuff goes to shit it’s fine
Tbh though if you go into a P1S fresh prog you could get a feel for it
and people prolly wouldn’t expect a clear either so griefing might get a pass lmao
If you’d feel bad about that though do an ex or something first
You can’t really get actual experience healing people unless you try and and tbh that’s what stuff like prog is for
stable basin
Alright. I'll just go in the deep end, then
dusk sapphire
so does scholars use succor for big damage in raids
Nah
You use Sacred Soil
And heck, even Seraph
Succor is GCD, its a last resort kind of thing
Also since most raidwides tend to be magical, you can use that fairy buff that decreases magic damage taken by like...i dont remember
austere ocean
Seraph is an ogcd succor, a lot of people forgets that
grizzled trout
in like, week 1 gear it tends more necessary for the raidwides
particularly in the last fight of the tier
true beacon
so I just did P2N
and saw the inverted head and body Spoken Cataract
which I haven't once seen in my 5 weeks doing this
chrome pumice
/waves
stable basin
could anyone be able to help my static tonight as a tank fill 9est, were gonna reclear p3s and prog p4s part 2 act 2. DM if you can 😄
austere ocean
Should make a pf for that
misty topaz
can anyone give me the macro for hq tsai tou vonou ? with craftsmanship , control and cp stat requirements ?
drowsy agate
lyric summit
open teamcraft simulator, put your stats in, move the skills around till you have a working macro
profit
nova hearth
is it considered bad etiquette to roll on a savage coffer if I already have the item? I want to gear an alt job but I dont' want to clear them on the alt job
vernal breach
you could.. just not say anything and roll on the loot anyway, no one is gonna audit you
its also like.. week bajillion something
i dont place a whole lot of value in savage drops personally
nova hearth
fair enough, I just see a bunch of people passing on them and wanted to make sure it wasn't some unspoken pf thing
lilac cipher
yeah I don't remember any loot rules for PF in Crystal or NA DC in general
austere ocean
is it considered bad etiquette to roll on a savage coffer if I already have the ...
I assume this is pugging and not static ?
nova hearth
I assume this is pugging and not static ?
yeah, pugging
austere ocean
Yea then just roll on what you can
echo ibex
is it considered bad etiquette to roll on a savage coffer if I already have the ...
Outside morality of the guy "I haven't got shit in 5 weeks pws pass", nothing really stops you from doing it in PF
Sucks for some people, sure, but it is what it is
supple sail
Free roll is fine unless party has specified otherwise in chat or in pf description
thorn plaza
What are some fundamental things to remember about UwU?
sinful brook
only worry about teh things your role has to resolve
bleak yoke
What are some fundamental things to remember about UwU?
screech = move tf out of that area
sinful brook
don't get too attached to automarkers
bleak yoke
it's all garuda memes you arent gonna need am for a while 
sinful brook
🤷♀️ pf can clear this fight fairly easily tbh
bleak yoke
it can clear it
not prog it
i get that im aether
but i'd assume a lot still applies since i have a friend that always gets memed on in primal while progging uwu
sinful brook
you always get memes no matter where you are in prog
people always pad too hard on plumes too
sinful brook
what
i cleared on aether
and its not that they're a problem
people just try too hard to pad their parse
bleak yoke
quick verge
u can determine the quality of a party based on the level of degeneracy they exhibit on plumes
drowsy agate
speaking of uwu
I'm considering looking for a static to prog it soon
what's a job that isn't super gimped at 70
thinking I may play RDM, WHM, or BRD
whm doesn't have rapture and that's annoying
RDM and BRD seem pretty un-gimped
does uwu have any jobs that are particularly good? i.e. like Astro for p3s or old summoner in TEA
sinful brook
you could probably run a relatively cursed combination of jobs and do just fine tbh
bleak yoke
smn
sinful brook
smn seems to do fairly well currently at 70 afaict
i cleared last expac on rdm and found a couple of annoyances where i missed having reprise
drowsy agate
I wanted to finish TEA before panda came out, but my static plays very casual hours so we weren't able to finish
sinful brook
but the shift in how accel is used and having engagement available instead of having to opti backflips might make things a lot more comfy now
drowsy agate
so I figured if I'm gonna prog any ultimate I was gonna pick one that I'm not halfway through already
and uwu seems to be the easiest
sinful brook
though you still run into the issue of not being able to cut small amounts of mana, not that its as large a problem since you can essentially bank 2 full combos now
using moulinet to cut mana was 
drowsy agate
I don't want to play black mage cuz no paradox, xeno, or despair lmao
bleak yoke
it's also blm in ultis
drowsy agate
it took while for me to get comfy on ShB BLM in TEA
sinful brook
slightly weird take when plenty of people prog and clear on blm
drowsy agate
yea progging on BLM is headache so I rather play any other class
bleak yoke
yeah but it's so much less common
because blm is much more fight knowledge than class knowledge
drowsy agate
esp since my goal is to clear while I have a pocket of free time in the next few months
sinful brook
it isn't really any more fight knowledge than other jobs tbh
knowing where to stand and not die is an everyone job
bleak yoke
they have much less time to adjust while keeping rotation flowing
sinful brook
sure you have longer casts
bleak yoke
because 90% cast time
sinful brook
but its not like you're immobile
drowsy agate
yea but still, BLM headache kek
I love BLM and all but I don't want to play it at 70 and fuckle with my muscle memory at 90
bleak yoke
it's still literally the job that basically requires standing still for optimal dps with very few windows of movement
especially at 70
sinful brook
blm has more opportunity for long movement than rdm would outside of spamming reprise and finisher combo tbh
bleak yoke
foul has a cast time at 70
sinful brook
triple and procs are still very significant
even if you have fewer sharp charges
its not that i don't disagree with you that blm has to cast a lto
drowsy agate
are you a BLM main in disguise channy
sinful brook
no
quick verge
yeah
bleak yoke
yeah
sinful brook
nah i cleared on rdm
bleak yoke
smn is phys ranged
quick verge
i dont think i'd wanna think in uwu especially in 2022
sinful brook
having to think about swapping dual windows hurt my soul
sinful brook
especially now that accel is like this now it'll be more swappy
i'd definitely take smn
less brainpower
sinful brook
maybe i'll run the 1button macro
i think uwu feels mroe like a long savage fight than anything
sinful brook
i still see pfs
drowsy agate
well new ult will be out
quick verge
yea u have now until ulti drops
and then it'll start again at like maybe
the back end of 6.1
maybe
drowsy agate
my semi vacation starts in 3rd week of April lol
can't start prog till then
so new ult will be out
quick verge
is omega 5th ultimate dropping in 6.3 or 6.5
sinful brook
is ~~omega~~ 5th ultimate dropping in 6.3 or 6.5
7.1 covid7 gonna get devs again
quick verge
you are no longer safe
drowsy agate
maybe I'll just do the new ult
but who knows if it will be clearable in a month or two at semi-hc hours
stable basin
60~100 hours is typical for progging a new ult
upbeat dome
damn thats a long time
quick verge
wont feel like much unless you want to murder the ppl you're raiding with
thorn plaza
anyone here got a good UwU guide that uses current strats and stuff?
Also wait, whats the IL cutoff for UwU?
quick verge
thorn plaza
Does the base elemental gear also have 5 slots?
I thought only +1 did
and +2 technically.
torn kindle
Base has 5 slots
thorn plaza
So would a 375 weapon with materia on it be better than a synced weapon?
bleak yoke
if you're tank that isnt war yes, other than that no
swift chasm
if I'm a healer and i got a light party stack, should i run towards my light party
thorn plaza
So if I'm playing healer, it's just better to use a synced weapon?
thorn plaza
if I'm a healer and i got a light party stack, should i run towards my light par...
Yes.
undone tide
wont feel like much unless you want to murder the ppl you're raiding with
what if I'm the one getting murdered
quick verge
idk
undone tide
u ever get rescued into a cleave?
thorn plaza
So what exactly would the substats cutoff at for UwU?
I wanna try to get a Eureka weapon that hits all the substat caps
thorn plaza
You can still reroll physeos weapons right
thorn plaza
Better or easier for getting a bunch of substats on
verbal oak
Both
thorn plaza
Would a augmented laws order work or would I need a blades relic
thorn plaza
So what exactly would the cutoff for each substat be
verbal oak
!faq ultisync
storm frostBOT
thorn plaza
Because I could just put the remaining stuff into piety Because it's not a detriment
lilac cipher
Aug law order is enough
thorn plaza
Also how do I change the substats on my shb relic, I've never done it before
lilac cipher
Talk to the allagan ball in gangos
thorn plaza
is it the sealant
lilac cipher
That has yellow quest
verbal oak
Kept thinking it was the scale powder but I was like “no that’s the first relic step”
thorn plaza
Yeah I know the npc for changing up substats, I just didn't know what mcguffin I needed to reroll it with
Do I get extra substat points for upgrading it into a blades weapon?
Cause like I only need to clear like 12 level 70 dungeons or clear dal like 3 times
wait it looks like I have more substats on the augmented laws order lmao
bleak yoke
you dont
thorn plaza
my blades mercy for some reason only has 456 total
while my augmented laws order astronomer has 462
guess the stat squish sorta screwed some stuff up
thorn plaza
I mean maybe those 6 extra piety points will matter
quick verge
lolno
thorn plaza
When the boss is at 0.1% and I'm the only one not jailed
ok that was a bad analogy but you get my point
thorn plaza
Should I technically get more substats for upgrading the weapon to the final version?
Because I think the stat squish just kinda changed my blades mercy incorrectly
quick verge
blade's whatever should have more substats ye
thorn plaza
well time to hope that I don't just lose 6 substats again then lmao
is Dal still dead
verbal oak
yeah but thats not even the best way to farm that step
just grab like 3 blus and do 15 runs of hells lid
way faster
swift chasm
should i go out of my way to build aggro on adds for p3s? e.g. more tomahwks i guess
sinful brook
you don't really have to
just gcd the first one and voke the otehr you're taking
and you should more or less be good for the rest of the phase
swift chasm
hmm ok
sinful brook
obviously make sure stance is on and all that
but you don't have to go out of your way to spam to maintain aggro
just keep an eye out if you or your cotank go a little crazy during big birds and rip aggro off the other of their bird
might have to voke to take one back
naive shale
usually if somehow aggro went a bit ree u can just do 1 tomahawk and that should be enough
vernal breach
sometimes i just watch the warrior steal aggro from everything within 50 yalms just by using nascent flash
whack
swift chasm
i guess if you do the mechanic right then the birds switch to the other half of the stage
gotta pray they come back to me
vernal breach
the situation.. from what it sounds like to me
is that you lose aggro of the bird after the dashes
in which case, idk? tell the other tank to turn off stance.. or just provoke :T
sinful brook
The other tank definitely doesn't need to turn off stance but if as I mentioned above they're hitting a bird that is aggroed to you then it might swap to them during dashes
Just voke it back nbd
bleak yoke
why would they be hitting the bird
just greed for uptime on your bird safety gaming is cringe c:
vernal breach
i would be hitting the cloest bird to me during the dashes 
its the only instance that their issue would ever actually occur
weary bone
you can't do uwu with blue mage
Imagine if you could, and it gave you the The Bluest Legend title
wheat marsh
DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS
sinful brook
They won't do it
It be very hard to deal with anyways since uwu needs an lb3 from caster/healer/melee/tank and tank in that fight
bleak yoke
i think with diamondback a perfect timed white wind and idk using 2min on the adds it might be possible
sinful brook
Doubt since you have all the caster adds
And lahabread
They have really high hp for the amount of time you have to kill them in
White wind won't work when the doom sets your hp to 1
quick verge
just create lbs for the fight
bleak yoke
well laha is possible without melee lb
sinful brook
Doubt
glass pine
it absolutely isn't
vestal hollow
there's no way
sinful brook
You do like peanuts to him
tender jolt
if you haven't actually seen it done then I don't think I believe your friend dude, sorry
vestal hollow
yeah unless you have actual video proof it's
probably not possible
especially after the stat squish
swift chasm
if i forfeit my loot for the week, do i count towards 0 chest
wheat marsh
if i forfeit my loot for the week, do i count towards 0 chest
if you skip p2s and go to p3s, you count towards 0 chest for p2s
drowsy agate
any tips for getting a 70 sync training dummy
so I can check out some classes at 70 in prep for ults
not sure if I can sync somehow in an instance or something
drowsy agate
if things would stay alive longer than 10 seconds
unless there is a dummy in eureka somewhere
torn mesa
it is possible to do explorer mode + level sync
cause if so you can spawn a dummy in a 70 dungeon
drowsy agate
am I dumb lmao
i hit every option and entered a 70 dungeon
still had my 90 kit
ah fuck so that doesn't work either
steady pebble
you're pretty much SoL to find some way, outside of murdering eureka mobs, to try lv 70 rotations
since eureka doesn't have dummies inside afaik
stable basin
i think with diamondback a perfect timed white wind and idk using 2min on the ad...
Lahabrea without melee LB3 is impossible. He had 300k hp in SB/ShB with 90% damage reduction and you get roughly 6 GCDs on him. Every single GCD from every single player would have to average 6250 damage aka 62,500 raw damage (pre-stat squish), which is significantly higher than the fattest midare you could get at i375. You'd have difficulty doing that with 8 ninjas in their final ShB BiS in a theoretical situation where you could unsync it.
Also, you can't heal the doom away. Strictly speaking, it's not a cleansable debuff (it lacks the indicator). The encounter is just scripted to remove the doom from everyone when a healer LB3 is used.
bleak yoke
oh i thought it was a thing based off of full hp or not like walking dead
stable basin
I do wish we could have bluwu tho
sinful brook
Nah that entire transition sequence is lb3 check
stable basin
and maybe blucob after they give tanks a way to not drop dead from autos in adds
stable basin
