endgame-lounge

[silver portal]

just miswording lol

[sinful brook]

you die

because you get the same vuln twice

[stable basin]

Top aggro takes slashing damage and gets a slashing debuff, second aggro takes piercing damage and gets a piercing debuff
This occurs for both hits, so if you don't swap then you'll get hit by the type you have a vuln to
The debuff increases damage taken by approximately 30%, so the answer if you do it now is "you're probably fine" but the answer during prog was "the guy who isn't invulning dies"

[sinful brook]

you also die without cds

[stable basin]

if you both invuln then there's no need to swap

[sinful brook]

though i think with echo you survive the first hit cooldownless

[vernal breach]

welp, so i was OT that time
didnt use an invuln..
and i died

i guess the tank swap has to happen after all

[sinful brook]

ye 2 hits of piercing is ouch

[stable basin]

second hit will do 300k instead of 230k

[vernal breach]

man this is confusing

[sinful brook]

you need to dump all your cds in too

so that the healers have the space to heal you up

and also don't have to heal you as hard

[stable basin]

no swap = you take 30% more damage from second hit

[vernal breach]

im not exactly sure when the swap happens

ive been playing Mt with a pally OT for so long that i havent a clue wtf to do with my newfound warrior partner

[sinful brook]

provoke during "formless judgment"

[stable basin]

you can swap as soon as the castbar starts yea

when you see the castbar for a buster, the target is already locked in

[vernal breach]

alright

[stable basin]

But the second hit is technically a different cast that happens after the first is finished

So you just need to swap before that happens

[vernal breach]

hmm i still died :C

[stable basin]

you legit use everything

rampart+shadow wall/nebula, camo if you're gnb, tbn or hos, even reprisal

[vernal breach]

......

i might as well just invuln then

[stable basin]

if you're on drk then also try to use tbn on the second hit so you don't stop yourself from dropping low enough to excog

you would invuln all of them except there are more of them than you can invuln

[vernal breach]

well i mean, i was kinda under the impression that...
if we do the tank swap, then we dont have to use the invuln...?

like if BOTH tanks use invuln then wtf are we swapping for

we're not gonna die .:l

[stable basin]

If you both invuln then you don't swap

[vernal breach]

its so flipping expensive to not invuln that i feel like i might as well do it lmao

[stable basin]

But if you do swap you still usually have one tank invuln so that the healers don't need to top them up beforehand

[vernal breach]

its like.. super bollide.. vs nebula + rampart + camo

bruh

[sinful brook]

And hos

Formless happens 3 times during the fight

You can invuln all of them

I think gnb can do first and third

[vernal breach]

well, i wouldnt know
i havent seen the 2nd formless

[sinful brook]

Leaving the second

Where you have to swap

[vernal breach]

leaving as in... leaving the mortal coil from sustaining too much fucking damage?

[sinful brook]

Funny joke

[vernal breach]

blushcat

[stable basin]

I mean, it's not even the hardest hitting buster in the tier

[sinful brook]

Serious answer being you're left having to blow all your cds and swap on the second formless

Thats true too plenty of ouchies busters this tier

[silver portal]

e10s if you reach 3rd tb sucks my ass

[sinful brook]

Umbra smash pretty yikes too

[stable basin]

Umbra is actually the most terrifying buster there is

actually nvm uwu titan buster was probably still scarier

it's a tossup tho

[silver portal]

as long as the swaps are fine in e9s i don:t find it too scary

[stable basin]

it's also funny because usually the stacking vuln doesn't do that much damage, and it's the final hit that hurts

and in 10s it's virgin edge of shadow vs chad umbra smash

[vernal breach]

lmao, e10s was ridiculous when i first encountered it

[sinful brook]

Fuck swapping in 9s

Just use cover :^))

[vernal breach]

every attack meant to be soaked by a tank in e10s hits immensely hard

geezus christ

[stable basin]

Hey guys for dragoon i have the complete 510 Exarchic set, is it meant Crit > Det>Dir Hit

for the materia

[quick verge]

should augment your exarchic to 520 then do crit > dhit > det

[blazing bobcat]

what is LC in diamond ex?

[lyric summit]

limit cut = flood ray number mechanics

[ebon heart]

not really endgame but what do the blue/purple sword animations mean in https://youtu.be/Zi99W7ejtz8?t=585

it changes from three swords to crossed swords to 1 sword

[serene lotus]

It's just a timer that looks cool

It counts down from 3, then you have to be in position for whatever Simon Says when it hits 0

[ebon heart]

oh so I don't have to waste a few seconds looking the other way

[serene lotus]

Correct

[stable basin]

hey, can anyone tell me how to level in bozja?
do i need to get a much higher resistance rank before being able to level properly?

[lyric summit]

higher rank = more zones = more Skirmishes/CEs = more things to do for exp

[stable basin]

oh oke, thank you

[vernal breach]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/167124798621614080/876761383402864670/all_the_mitigations_you_have.jpg

I was inspired

[dusk sapphire]

Im so fucking confused at E12S's timing for the knockback after the 4th laser beam

It happens so fast idk how to get over there in time

If im the 4th one

[sinful brook]

from the joonbob video @dusk sapphire basically the idea is to point it in the general side that you're going to be on for the kb and then as it snapshots just head over to the edge

if you're south then just stand slightly on the side where teh kb will be and point the beam diagonal off the stage

if you're north beam then you can point it more diagonal than the picture shows, assuming that people aren't spread all over teh place.

popping sprint can also be something you might want to do if you feel you can't make it to the safe edge in tiem

[dusk sapphire]

https://youtu.be/s4n05KHX3GI

I look at this

And it seems like the minimum safe distance is at the waymark

So if you are at the inner circle yer dying

But it happens so fast...

Guess i aint casting, just gonna early refresh Dia there

😂

[sinful brook]

its a lot slower than you think and you can point it way sharper in the direction of where you need to be

the snapshot for the statue is like 1 and a bit seconds after the third

so you can start running earlier too once you feel for the timing

[dusk sapphire]

Oh i'll try this weekend when i raid

[stable basin]

theres too much to do im overwhelmed

[glacial minnow]

wdym

[stable basin]

so much to do

after shadowbringers

[glacial minnow]

try to set a goal

like idk

get full bis gear, or get another job to 80

something like that

[stable basin]

astrologan

ez

[vernal breach]

alright.. shiva junction
so the tl;dr is that.. dont drop any icicles in the center of the boss
dont stand infront of anyone, dont stand behind anyone, dont stand on any tether... and if everyone does that ideally everyone lives? like thats the short of it? :l

and turn your tethers purple

[sinful brook]

pretty much

i also try to go about directly opposite of the icicle i'm tethered to

you can stand next to an icicle, provided the person who was tethered to it didn't die prior to tethers being assigned

because icicles without a person to be attached to just explode

[vernal breach]

do melees just not do any dps when standing the appropriate distance from their tethered icicles or smthn?

[sinful brook]

depends on how lucky you get with tethers. you could get a farther one and be purple at max melee, in which case your only issue is someone who spears you from a random direction

alternatively you can time your gcd so that you can move out for teh snapshot and then back in as the icicles go through

or just play it safe 🤷‍♂️

[vernal breach]

i seen the diagrams people draw up and its such a mess of lines that i think its just more productive to just.. wing it with a few guidelines on how to not get speared . w.

[sinful brook]

thats how my group learned it

we john maddened it until we didn't die

[stable basin]

You should be able to max melee unless people really screw up icicle placement

the big damage falloff actually happens slightly closer than the tethers turn purple iirc

[vernal breach]

... yeah, lets jsut not risk that

[silver portal]

in NA pugs do you guys surecast/arms length for the kb?

or just allow to get pushed

[round needle]

yea

why not?

[sinful brook]

It depends on the strat and mechanic

For example some people resolve fire burnt strike without kb immune

And for certain brambles strats you would be knocked into position

[round needle]

yeah but isn't happy brambles pretty much the default for pugs?

ive never seen a pug do anything else

[stable basin]

primal only does mith

[eternal lantern]

what do bards meld

[quick verge]

crit > dh > det

[eternal lantern]

ty

[sinful brook]

In jp they do brambles the way it was intended. Which is kb out to edge of arena at clock spots

Aether strats aren't the global standard

And even for things like shiva junction or lions in e12s p1 you can choose to be knocked into position if you wanted

[raw harness]

Does Diamond weapon weapons work if you dont wana grind out the annoying bozja relic? for TEA

[stable basin]

use e4s weapon if you aren't getting relic

[raw harness]

okay ty

[chilly musk]

lvl 80 DRK or lvl 80 GNB, which is more fun?

Just got PLD to 80, and taking advice.

Seems like GNB on the FF14 logs is a tad higher on the DPS charts?

[drowsy agate]

the difference is so small it doesn't matter

play whichever one you find more fun

[chilly musk]

I guess then as far as fun / rotation, any particular fan favorites?

[drowsy agate]

DRK's invuln is a tiny bit more annoying than the other tanks but any competent healer won't have a problem with it

i personally enjoy WAR and PLD more than the other tanks

[chilly musk]

Yeah PLD was pleasant. The 1-2-3 rotation prior to Atonement was a bit 💤 . Feels nice now.

[drowsy agate]

DRK's TBN is busted for prog anyway

[wheat marsh]

TBN almost negates the need for LD if there aren't crazy multi-hit/multi-damage up tankbusters

[fallen rain]

okay so... I'm watching Max and the add ons discussion makes me wonder a lot of stuff both about WoW and FFXIV

any WoW players that can talk about it?

[vernal breach]

so yknow the 4 blue and 4 red circles that fatebreaker places down.......can i like..? touch those?
ive never actually sure wtf they are but it looks dangerous l;

[stable basin]

the circles explode and deal damage within their footprint

[vernal breach]

oookay, dont touch them

[stable basin]

the ones of the same element he channels will do a bigger explosion

but like you can run through them before they go off

[drowsy agate]

what do you want to know

i raided mythic on wow for years, i know a lot about addons

[fallen rain]

okay so... I'm in a personal spot where I think addons aren't a bad thing if (and only if) they only serve as an assistant to information already in the game

in the streamer they keep saying WoW is balanced around addons

which makes me wonder:

1. Is it even possible to do hardest raids without addons?

[drowsy agate]

yes, it's certainly possible

but the thing about doing the hardest raids is

any serious raid team is going to require that you install some boss tracker

like deadlybossmods or an equivalent

so anyone looking to do those raids is going to have it

even casual raid guilds require a tool like DBM

DBM does a lot of shit for you

[fallen rain]

2. How impactful are those addons? Do they show stuff you aren't supposed to know?

[drowsy agate]

they show you literally everything about the boss

they literally will count down the seconds until the boss does their next mechanic

it will tell you where to stand, how far away from others you need to be, and even how much damage you might take

[fallen rain]

hmm

doesn't it make fights... boring?

[drowsy agate]

it will even play a sound cue to remind you what to do

if i ever have to hear RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL, RUN AWAY again

it can even flash your screen red

[vernal breach]

if wow is balanced around addons
does that mean that devs not only sanction addons, but withhold information under the assumption that players will just acquire it through addons...?

[drowsy agate]

there were addons that will light up what button you need to press for optimal DPS

[vernal breach]

if so, that sounds kind of.. ridiculous

[drowsy agate]

well i don't think that's necessarily true

who knows how the devs playtest

but they almost certainly test the raids without any addons

[fallen rain]

okay, another one then...

do you think addons make the game too... hmmm... hand holded?

[drowsy agate]

not necessarily

just because it tells you what to do doesn't mean you're going to be able to do it

does it make the game easier? yes, without a doubt

how many people have you told in a random DF dungeon to not stand in bad

and they still get hit by it

[fallen rain]

I see

[drowsy agate]

it still takes a lot of skill to raid high end mythic even with deadlybossmods or an equivalent

[stable basin]

I believe the thing with WoW is introducing a level of chaos where you can know exactly what's going to happen but not necessarily see a clear path through it all, no?

[fallen rain]

yeah, that's what I'm thinking

[drowsy agate]

that's part of it yeah

because you have to consider gearing too

last time I raided mythic, healers running oom was an actual issue that could happen

or tanks not being tanky enough to eat damage

[fallen rain]

so basically what addons do in wow is lower the 'entrance' barrier (the skill floor so to speak) so more people can do it...

but the amount of rng in fights make it so it's still hard because you need to adapt

[drowsy agate]

well

[fallen rain]

and be able to do so on the fly

[drowsy agate]

i also wouldn't quite say that

[fallen rain]

is that it?

[drowsy agate]

wow's "entry" barrier is already pretty high

your average raid is like, 15+ people

having to corral 15 people in a raid is really hard

a set mythic team is 20 people

[fallen rain]

I meant skill entry barrier, not overall

like, the addons just flatten that part

not that it lowers the ceiling

[stable basin]

WoW in general assumes a certain level of knowledge going into the fights, like they have PTR testing and IIRC there's a codex that lists out what mechanics do for most bosses

[fallen rain]

but makes the entrance easier

[drowsy agate]

yea that too

[stable basin]

Where a lot of the world race in XIV is who can figure out what is going on the fastest

[drowsy agate]

but honestly DBM makes it so that stuff is hardly required

[fallen rain]

I know there are addons (I think I can't name them here) in FF that do a lot of stuff for you (pretty much everything you just said the WoW one does)

but here because the fights are so scripted

[stable basin]

Alphascape world first took a long time because of the brutal dps check and also because Hello World was extremely obtuse and hard to troubleshoot

[fallen rain]

I feel like it would be an overkill

[drowsy agate]

i personally don't use cactbot so I can't really speak on how it compares to DBM

but there was a particularly powerful addon called WeakAuras

it basically let you create you own mini-addons in game

like you could make a module that tracks your healer's cooldowns '

you could make a module that tracks your dots and tells you when to refresh them

you could customize that module to account for refreshing during raid buffs

you could make a module that tracks the internal cooldown on your trinket

[vernal breach]

https://i.imgur.com/HJ27fW2.png

what be this "blue uptime" ?

[drowsy agate]

it's an e11s strat that you can only do if the boss's safe color is blue

you can't do it if it's red

[vernal breach]

oh dear

[fallen rain]

like... as a former wow player I believe you are more than able to speak about this

don't you think in FF this kind of thing would be too much hand holding?

[drowsy agate]

now bear in mind I haven't raided on wow since like, fuckin early BFA

so my experience is at least 2 years old

and honestly, not really

deadlybossmods or cactbot or not, they're only helpful for prog

[fallen rain]

at which point it stops being just a little help and starts actually taking responsibilities out of the player?

[drowsy agate]

by the time you're trying to parse you already have all your shit mapped out down to the GCD

it makes things easier to see

like, take brambles on e9s for example

DBM would have a tracker that shows you how big your bramble AoE is going to be

[fallen rain]

I haven't done e9-12s

[drowsy agate]

ff14 doesn't care and players just drop their AoE at set spots

fight design is different in wow than in ff14 anyway

whereas wow would design like 10-12 raid bosses a tier, each boss wwould only take a few minutes

so the first like 5 bosses might only take 5 minutes to clear

ff14 designs 4 bosses and all of them take like 10 minutes

[cinder lion]

hello I am planning to do a solo HoH

is there a discord/website for resource I can use

[fallen rain]

yeah, idk, it's a hard question to answer tbh

[sinful brook]

for blue uptime specifically, this is how the aoes will go off roughly, so as you can see the intercards between the blue circles are safe. you can stand almost next to your partner for elemental break, and then separate if its electric and stay together for fire

[fallen rain]

like, the balance between mods/addons and no mods/addons is hard

[drowsy agate]

you can still raid on wow with no addons

you just have to do some guesswork at what's coming up next

[subtle bone]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YVBSTOgJO-xOAB6YyKZEZRikjXFPle6Ihf_E7VdmQnI/edit & https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgiS_IU414578mIERZ--v8gx9S1qfO30S

[fallen rain]

yeah, I mean from the pov of the devs...

[subtle bone]

theres a deep dungeon discord but mainly for group finder

[cinder lion]

Cheers mate

[cinder lion]

can't access the docs

it says I need to req access

[subtle bone]

o sorry thats my own copy sec

edited it

@cinder lion

[cinder lion]

thank youu

Imma try doing it with war

[fallen rain]

yeah, I mean from the pov of the devs... there are a few things you need to consider when thinking about addons right?
how does it affect the community? does it generate toxicity?
does it affect the speed the content is being consumed to a point that you have financial hindrance?
are other aspects of the game that are getting affected? (for instance, rare raid items like mounts being dropped too frequently)
are players having issues with their own personal/PC securities because of unregulated applications?
would making QoL improvements be enough to drive people away from addons?

like... I don't care if people have a smoother ride to completing a trial

[drowsy agate]

well

[subtle bone]

nice warrior is fun, good luck!! its a good challenge

[drowsy agate]

as far as generating toxicity

it kinda goes both ways

[cinder lion]

yeah I really want that title

[drowsy agate]

when I last played there were way less players who do awful DPS

[cinder lion]

and HoH seems way more fun

than PoTD

[drowsy agate]

on ff14 it feels like almost everyone I random queue with does awful DPS

even some people in savage do awful DPS

[fallen rain]

I care if the community becomes toxic because addons suddenly become a requirement...
or if the raids are made more difficult just because 'hardcore' raiders need harder content...

[drowsy agate]

hardcore raiders are fine with the 3 ultimates

[fallen rain]

like, as long as SE keep the community in check and the raids being well developed

[drowsy agate]

that'll keep them occupied for months

[fallen rain]

I think I'm good

[drowsy agate]

my wow guild was friendly though

everyone in it just practiced

no one was toxic

i remember a long time ago people who check DPS on trash adds

[fallen rain]

yeah, for sure... most people don't think about rotation and such

[drowsy agate]

and if you couldn't beat a decent amount you got kicked from the raid before it even began

both a good and bad thing

toxic, sure, but if you can't do acceptable DPS on a trash pack then you're holding back the raid

in ff14 people just handle it differently

a lot of people just leave the savage PT if they can see there's shitters in it

they just won't say anything

[fallen rain]

from a player pov I agree... but from a company pov I don't think that's how SE wants it

[drowsy agate]

it isn't, and that's why they don't "allow" DPS meters

[fallen rain]

yeah, makes sense

I think my only concern is related to SE

so I think I'm good with ppl installing whatever they want

[drowsy agate]

as far as rare raid items go

let's be real, if you weren't in a very good guild you're not getting a raid tier mount

only a handful of guilds in wow are going to be clearing all of mythic

[fallen rain]

yeah, FF is reatroactive tho

[drowsy agate]

at the end of the tier, a lot of big guilds would just carry random people for mounts

[fallen rain]

so it doesn't matter much

[drowsy agate]

they'd advertise it as a stream reward

when your 16 members have absurd gear, they can absolutely carry another 5 people on the final boss of the tier

[cinder lion]

does anyone know whether PoTD or HoH is "easier"

[drowsy agate]

we can talk about this all day but the fact is, a lot of other wow players, better players than I ever was, have already spoken up about it and can put it in better words than me lol

[fallen rain]

depends on what you consider easier

HoH is shorter, which means you need to play perfectly for less time

[drowsy agate]

siege of orgrimmar was the end tier raid for like a year and a half, lol

[cinder lion]

I feel a but coming

[subtle bone]

hoh is easier

[fallen rain]

yeah, for sure

[cinder lion]

oh ok

good

[subtle bone]

lol

no question

[fallen rain]

no but lol

[cinder lion]

means I will do HoH

the first 100 floors of potd feels so grindy

[fallen rain]

the thing is... I never played WoW and I have a distaste for Blizzard since Overwatch (well, before that, but that was the breaking point) so I never really followed WoW streamers, I have no idea where to get that info from... but at the same time I love to see opinions from people coming from other games...

[fallen rain]

that's probably the reason why they changed in HoH

[stable basin]

Hey guys just a quick question, for all dps classes do I slot in the same materia and for tank classes I slot in the same materia or do the classes have their own specific materia?

[verbal oak]

Depends on the class and piece

But generally crit materia is used by most classes

[quaint marten]

they are almost all the same. the main variables are skillspeed

some want to go faster, some want to go as slow as possible

as for tanks, i recall warrior does not want direct hit at all compared to the other tanks

[raw latch]

not sure if this is the place to ask but I love doing duty finder content (especially extreme trials) but since I'm currently in 2.4.-2.5 MSQ content so it's not really "endgame" I'm curious if any of the loot drops/tokens worth it, I looked up Rowena tokens for example and they seem to give you shitty gear that's worse than the ilvl130 you get with tomestones. Is there any ARR-endgame guides or some sort of loot tables? Just anything I can grasp on lol

[quaint marten]

tomestone gear is catchup gear that is the very best gear you can get at the end of the expansion

ironworks is best gear until lvl 55-ish for example

the token gears are now solely for glamour

[raw latch]

I see, and what about doing the Zodiac questline or the mount thing, I heard if you get all mounts from extreme trials (or was it hard trials?) you also get some special mount? but the drop rate seemed pretty low and then you also have to roll forit with 8 people

[quaint marten]

zodiac questline is a massive timewaster/grind but it gives very good-looking gear

one of the few gear that glows

mount drop rates is around 10% for each extreme iirc

you can solo unsync them at high levels

3 minutes-ish per clear

you can get kirin from getting all the ponies from the ARR extreme primals

[raw latch]

eh i'd prefer to do extreme with a proper party even if some arent that challenging

[quaint marten]

you can clear it once for the challenge then blitz them for the mount afterwards if you dont get it

[raw latch]

ah so if you get lucky and get like ~7 mounts you get additional mount?

[fallen rain]

they are all challenging enough to not be boring if you are doing it synced

[quaint marten]

yes, you get an additional special pony for getting all the ponies

[raw latch]

and is crystal tower at all worth re-doing except for daily exp/tomestones?

[quaint marten]

you can do it for glams and the minion/TT cards at the end if you didnt get those

[fallen rain]

Syrcus still has one of the best looking glams for some classes

[quaint marten]

wait, does CT have TT cards? i cant recall

Amon's hat is awesome yup

[raw latch]

I think I got some TT cards from that raid yeah

I still havent used any glams 😅 i'm scared to get into that system

[fallen rain]

the true endgame

[raw latch]

but yeah thanks for the tips, wish there was some place that would roughly explain the endgame possibilities and potential loot tables for various expansions, cuz right now i just wanna do random extreme runs while doing MSQ or levelling my fourth class in between, without knowing really why im doing it

[quaint marten]

you can try the gearguide

!faq gearguide

[storm frost]

Gearing up by level

Click on a link below to view the gear guides on consolegamewiki.

Level 50
Level 60
Level 70
Level 80

[raw latch]

oh and yeah I heard later Coils of Bahamut can be pretty challenging

but those take way too long to find group as a trial player lmao

even as WHM

[raw latch]

this is nice, thanks

[quaint marten]

yea. most do coils unsync now

there is a discord somewhere that does old raids minilvl for fun

it should be here somewhere

#resources

[raw latch]

I actually bought the complete edition a few days ago but I probably won't redeem til mid-way HW content 😄

[silk thistle]

i just wanna find a group to do savages

[vague moat]

Yo I need some chaos dudes for some Eden Furor

[wet heath]

Finally reached p2 of e12s

What is the most used strat for basic rel

Or rather the most used video or diagram

[sharp wadi]

does casting displacement always lose you damage as rdm because it takes longer than 1.5s? should I start getting used to never using it and move around after dual cast instead?

I think I'll main rdm as my first raiding job

[lyric summit]

it deals damage, more than engagement, so it's a damage gain

just due to it being movement it has an increased animation lock so you can't double weave it

but single weaving it works fine and you should be using it more or less on cooldown

[sharp wadi]

ohh

so If there's no other ogcd I can use I should use displacement instead of engagement?

that's interesting

[lyric summit]

yeah and I believe you have a lot of wiggle room with the "using it on cooldown" because manafication resets the cooldown, think you can hold it for like 30 seconds in total between one manafication and the next one

[sharp wadi]

yeah that makes sense

[sharp wadi]

rdm seems very simple to learn and useful in raids

so I wanna learn to minmax the dps

also cast->res->swiftcast->res and cast->swiftcast->res->res is the same thing or nah?

[stable basin]

you wouldn't want to cast->swift because that clips your gcd

[round needle]

you dont get a dualcast proc from a swiftcasted spell

you do the first method

cast > rez > swift > rez

[odd beacon]

Tps

If you google basic relativity on yt its likely that strat

Theres only that one strat for clears anyway

[sinful brook]

Ye everyone uses the tps strat, unless you're in some barse group that might do uptime intermediate

[short wing]

hey, finally arrived at endgame content. ive unlocked the 2B nier alliance raids. but the mining chief in Kholusia > Komra still gives me this quest

does this mean its just a repeatable and i can ignore it? or am i still missing content?

trying to unlock eden asap and begin the weekly farm

[drowsy agate]

well first of all

the nier raids aren't weekly locked at all anymore

and neither are eden raids

and yes, that quest you're looking at is a weekly quest, but all it does is give you some more story

[sinful brook]

The that repeatable quest has you going into the story area for copied not the actual duty itself btw

[torn kindle]

I think after like a month and a half of the weekly repeatable the story has a proper ending

Somewhere between 5-8 weeks

[short wing]

oof thanks, no that nier raid unlock was pain enough

[torn kindle]

They’re all super easy weeklies

Just a bunch of walking

[short wing]

should i hop into savage or complete unlocking all normal edens?

[torn kindle]

You get a title by the end of it

[torn kindle]

People don’t really bother with old savage tiers since there’s not much point besides glamour

[short wing]

wait e1-4 is old content?

[torn kindle]

Yes

9-12 is the current tier

[short wing]

oh ok

so no 510+ gear rewards for old savage?

[torn kindle]

Correct

[sinful brook]

You get 470 for e1 to4

500 for e5 to 8

E9 to 12 savage is 530

Subtract 20 for the normal mode ilvl rewards

[short wing]

ok thank you.

so head to e9-12 asap

[drowsy agate]

also don't use duty finder to enter savage

look on party finder first

i'd also recommend looking up a guide on the fight and being good at your class or practicing before hopping right in to e9s

[short wing]

yeah sure, its like heroic. people expect you to have at least watched a youtube video

still confused about the raid difficulty tiers though.

friend told me eden ultimate isnt out yet?

[barren jasper]

hello! i just hit the endgame and was wondering which gear sets i should be looking to get?

[short wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695890690080505886/877143789779710002/unknown.png

[barren jasper]

ty!

[sinful brook]

Currently available ultimates are bahamut ult, ultima weapon ult, Alex ult

First 2 are lv70

3rd is lv80

[short wing]

wait. so its one single encounter that has a new hardest difficulty?

[sinful brook]

Eden ult is a long way away

They're are 3 encounters at the ultimate level

[torn kindle]

Probably not until another 2-3 expansions with the pace they’re going

With each expansion getting 2 ultimates dedicated to them

[sinful brook]

I'd want the hw trial series ult first too

And then omega and four Lords

And then it'd be eden and weapons

Probably

[short wing]

soo ultimate is like a newest form of raid difficulty that gets successively added, but slowly. and without a firm timeline

thats why savage is like the raiding farm thing

and ultimate for endgame players became like some single feats of skill kinda thing?

[sinful brook]

Yeah that and ult doesn't really give you anything other than title and a glam weapon

[torn kindle]

Yeah ultimates are for the bragging rights

[sinful brook]

Some people farm it and prog it on multiple jobs

[short wing]

thats why we here (raiders)

[sinful brook]

Its fun

Cbt but fun

[short wing]

ok im trying to get my head around the raid systems, literally nolifed 180 hours to get into it - because everybody says like "you cant compare wow raiding to ffxiv", "you should play it yourself" etc

now i get why the tiers are split up like that on fflogs

[sinful brook]

Wow releases raids differently

[short wing]

is there a similar community, novelty, or even hype thing going on for some world first raiding experience?

[short wing]

yeah. exactly.

[sinful brook]

Xiv does it in chunks where each chunk is successive power increases and its in a stable release schedule

Ult has just been inconsistent because covid

Yes world racing gets a good amount of traction too

Though it's not always super long

And its released globally at the same time

So its truly world race

Also no dbm no codex

Its all blind 5heading

[drowsy agate]

it's pretty late in the tier though so just know that there's a universal 15% damage and health buff in savage right now

on one hand it makes savage easier, but also a lot of competent raiders aren't raiding right now

so party finder can be limited

[short wing]

so the savage/ultimate thing makes things already way too convoluted.
in wow there is one raid tier with lfr < normal < heroic < mythic. about every half year. raids get released around uni exam time sadly. so February and July.
mythic is the hardest. same bosses all around. usually 8 to 11 bosses.
all guilds recruit for it. the guild commitment is much firmer, thats why guild recruitment is very gatekept compared to FFXIV.
mythic only doable with a guild and a firm roster of 20 (at least).
maybe i shouldnt even type this out. im just disappointed and people really try to make a case that FFXIV raiding came close or even was better than WoW. mentioning the "global release" thing is such a underhand way to sell it. like. thats not even the most critical thing. wow raiding is just on another level and i feel kind of lied to from many sides.

[drowsy agate]

err

as a previous mythic raider on wow

ff14's system is more fun lol

[short wing]

also the no dbm no codex no addons thing is such a shifted point of view.
dbm, addons, whole ui platforms and all the established wow addon systems are there to optimize the ui - and even then the encounters are way more challenging.

[drowsy agate]

you're going to have a lot of mythic raiders on wow disagree with you that encounters in wow are more challenging

some people agree TEA is one of the hardest raid encounters in any MMORPG ever

[short wing]

its like "despite of all the ui help you get (weakauras for class rotations, dbm to remind what mechanis to time for) - the raids are challenging.

[drowsy agate]

i mean, if it bothers you that much you can just use cactbot

[short wing]

if a raid is just challenging because your ui is hiding critial info - thats not a challenge.

[drowsy agate]

the UI is not hiding critical info

not sure what you're on about

fights in ff14 are very scripted without much RNG so it becomes a matter of practice very quickly

also, since raid content is balanced around 8 players, ff14 fights focus more on individual responsibility than wow raids do

i don't really think savage/ultimate makes things any more convoluted than wow

if you have LFR/normal/heroic/mythic on wow

ff14 is just normal/extreme/savage/ultimate

[sinful brook]

The thing about wow raids is that the large party size allows for bigger variability in party comp, at the cost of the amount of personal responsibility that can be doled out to each player

[short wing]

i dont agree with that at all. you can easily wipe your raid on mythic as 1 of 20. many encounters are quite dualistic - you either get the mechanic right or wipe the pull

[sinful brook]

Yes that is the case here too

[drowsy agate]

i think you should actually go and do some savage/ultimate content before judging ff14's raiding scene compared to wow's

[short wing]

its literally why its so hard to get into raiding guilds, applying for them like a job

[sinful brook]

But the amount of precision needed is much less

[drowsy agate]

the average number of prog hours to clear TEA is something to the tune of 70-110 hours

[short wing]

WHAT?

[sinful brook]

For wow raids

[stable basin]

Dickwaving between WoW/FFXIV is just that, pointless dickwaving

[drowsy agate]

yeah i agree with cats here

there's no need to try and draw parallels between ff14 and wow

[stable basin]

I don't have any WoW experience but literally everything I see tells me that the experiences are quite different

[serene lotus]

We all know Hello Kitty Island Adventures is the more hardcore game

[drowsy agate]

especially when you haven't actually done any ff14 raiding

[short wing]

hey cats, i heard about you. somebody mentioned you schooled that desp guy. nice parses on logs.

[stable basin]

lol

[short wing]

yeah. so this argument here.

[sinful brook]

The way fights are designed isn't the same

[drowsy agate]

besides, half the reason why wow's mythic scene is dying is because it's really hard to get 20 adults together every week lol

[short wing]

okay. ive spent 180 hours already and i will get into savage, fflogs and all.

[stable basin]

I'm not bleeding edge/world progger but I've done a lot of raiding in XIV and done pretty well

[drowsy agate]

i wasn't any cutting edge player on wow either

my guild got through maybe halfway down a mythic tier before people burnt out

[short wing]

i know for a fact, simply from a ui standpoint - that the skill depth is just not the same.

[serene lotus]

:OK:

[short wing]

in wow we just look at peoples ui when they apply for a raid spot

[stable basin]

There are absolutely some weaknesses in XIV raid/combat design and they may just not be for you

[sinful brook]

Ui customization doesn't really have a huge correlation to skill tbh

[stable basin]

But I would suggest clearing savage to get a really good grasp on how things go

[drowsy agate]

yeah you have people who click shit on their screen or turn camera with A and D

doesn't necessarily mean they're bad lol

people raid on default UI on wow and do great too

that's a really poor metric to judge someone by

[sinful brook]

Someone who solo healed tea is a mouse clicker

It doesn't mean anything other than they use their mouse to click skills

You can raid with an absolute cluster fuck of a ui too

[short wing]

how are we even discussing "clicking"? its like vanilla wow argument. clicking is bad. xd. lets not troll in this discussion

[drowsy agate]

people play on controller and top parse

[drowsy agate]

the only person who is trolling is you, my dude

[short wing]

i will calm down a bit and be more objective

[still inlet]

There are some good rules to a ui set up that absolutely do help, but they are not going to automatically make someone be better. They have to make the most of it

[frank quiver]

How is clicking bad..?

[drowsy agate]

sure, clicking is recommended against but I sure as hell ain't gonna tell a pink parser to stop clicking

[frank quiver]

XIV’s targeting system isn’t that great. Much faster to click on the enemy list.

[short wing]

yeah. sigh. gotta do that so people cant just say "hah toxic wow refugee lmao"

[drowsy agate]

it can be bad depending on the player, like if they are losing GCDs due to misclick, but it's not an automatic disqualifier

[still inlet]

Some people are more used to click heavy games and do fine, some people even play entirely with just their keyboard and do fine

Look to the player, not the method

[drowsy agate]

just sounds like JAR94 is just needlessly gatekeeping

[short wing]

so one thing then. in wow, every mythic healer has big fat raid frames grids in the center of their screens

[drowsy agate]

not at all true

there are many players who do not

you can't possibly generalize the entire mythic raiding community like that

[still inlet]

If they're doing something bad/inefficient for them, then they can be advised on things that can help them. UIs in mmos have been subjective for 20 years

[short wing]

please check out echo and limit healers, or the good healers from the discords

there are reasons they have their ui set up like that

[drowsy agate]

are you claiming to be a healer as skilled as they are?

[stable basin]

Limit Max's streams are also a good look into the nitty-gritty of higher-end raiding XIV from a WoW player's perspective incidentally

but there's no substitute for personal experience

[drowsy agate]

just cuz a top player does it doesn't mean you have to do it

just because Felyne Melynx can double weave pot + fleche doesn't mean I can

[sinful brook]

Didn't realize limit and echo were representative of every mythic raider

[still inlet]

There was a good blog post from years back by a WoW player about UIs and raiding, with some pretty good examples on what's really distracting and bad

But I can't recall the url since we're talking probably early 2000s

[frank quiver]

I use triplecast to feed a doll when it can be done in one GCD by top players, lmao. Whatever works for you, as long as you’re not losing uptime.

[stable basin]

I think most people who click or have really janky UIs will admit that they could find a more efficient setup, but at a certain point if it ain't broke

[short wing]

yep. watched some, he starts talking about ui pretty quickly. ^^

[drowsy agate]

there's nothing stopping you from modding your UI lol

[sinful brook]

Thats just a difference of what he's accustomed to

[drowsy agate]

just because other people don't doesn't mean you can't

[rich thunder]

is there a discord to find statics

[sinful brook]

If you've done something a certain way for 15 years

[drowsy agate]

i already mentioned nothing's stopping you from using cactbot

[sinful brook]

You'd be stuck thinking anything else is unnatural

[drowsy agate]

#recruitment-yourDC

[frank quiver]

Ye, check pins.
https://discord.gg/mMVbkZx

[sinful brook]

Its not that there aren't issues with xivs ui

But its not like it doesn't provide enough

[rich thunder]

what are maxes party frames

[drowsy agate]

it absolutely does not "hide information" from you like you claimed

[short wing]

https://discord.gg/thebalanceffxiv
https://discord.gg/F7tgC4S
https://discord.gg/pQVpDZn

[rich thunder]

ty

[drowsy agate]

like if we want to use weakauras as an example for dot classes

sure weakauras makes it easier for you to keep track of your dots

but most of the time refreshing your dots is built in to your rotation anyway

summoner refreshes normally as part of their rotation

bard refreshes under raid buffs

a good player's gonna do fine with or without weakauras

[still inlet]

DoTs have been streamlined vs how they once were

Instead of multiple with varying durations they're homogenised to the same general duration or reduced down to one DoT entirely

[sinful brook]

Aero increased to 30s when

[still inlet]

SMN DoTs used to be 4 separate timers that none had a shared duration for

[sinful brook]

18s dot in ult is pepega

[drowsy agate]

your UI isn't going to make or break a good player

"oh shit i don't have weakauras to track my dots anymore, guess I suck now"

[still inlet]

Before we even had things like weakauras or trackers, we just did it normally and learned to feel it, or trained to do it with things like metronomes. Not even kidding on the latter

Heal cycles and metronomes were best buds

[drowsy agate]

actually what's that one addon that some people use to display their ability usage on screen

it's like this right-to-left scroller that just shows what buttons someone's pressed

in ff14

[still inlet]

Sounds like one of the xl things

Thankfully one of my old friends still had that WoW blog post handy

http://iam.yellingontheinternet.com/2014/01/29/raid-awareness-is-a-learned-and-practiced-skill/ MoP/SOO era, but still a good read

Although it might not have been this specific post, was a long time ago

Most of these are ideas that translate to raiding in any game

[frank quiver]

Dunno about WoW, but raid awareness in XIV mostly boils down to that one section (in the article) about having a routine. You won’t be inflicted with random debuffs (outside of specific mechanics), so you don’t need to have it flashing in the middle of the screen to know “hey I need to check the debuffs I have.”

[still inlet]

It does tend to come up less often. There's some sequences where you do need to be mindful of debuffs and timers, but it's not the norm for encounters as a whole

WoW and other games of that era were created with far fewer visual aids for mechanics. XIV has a lot more on encounter timelines with arena objects, hidden actors, etc

More was added over time to the old games but the systems didn't have them to begin with

[drowsy agate]

a lot of that boils down to game design developing more and more over time

[still inlet]

Indeed. You can compare how ARR Coil was in design being much more old school mmo feeling, and how gimmicks have become way more diverse in the past expansions

They still like to throw new marker types at us

[finite plank]

say hello to that 1 ARR coil level that's just a big dungeon with locked jumping animations

or 2/more

[lean flower]

i decided to post here because it is end game discussion and i didnt want to ruin it for others

for those who dont know what happened

[sinful brook]

Not really the channel for it

[lean flower]

i know it isnt

[finite plank]

#archived-lore-spoilers

[sinful brook]

More closer to something lore spoilers or qnh can help

[lean flower]

kk

[sinful brook]

Provided you spoiler tag it

[lean flower]

since im here

is it worth trading in my exarchic for augemented rn

e.w. is in 3 months

or just do eden over and over again lol

with non augmented

[torn kindle]

Augmented is worth it

Unless you really want to save your allegory for making Gil from tomestone materials

[lean flower]

my and my cousins will be doing TEA shortly after im done with 5.5

its said that, that relic will do us good til 90?

on another fourm

[torn kindle]

You’ll ideally replace it around 85-86

[lean flower]

worth^

[vernal breach]

Whats with the shiva junction in e12s?
I need like…advice on how to live through that shit

It seems like the knock back, icicle drop, and… like icicle spearing (?) are all unavoidable damage

[drowsy agate]

what class are you

[vernal breach]

Dnc

[drowsy agate]

shiva junction is primarily a heal check

[vernal breach]

;l

Well i dont like the sound of that

[drowsy agate]

if you're DNC then using your 2 self heals + tactician will help

but if you were going to die anyway, that just means that using your self heals would've only saved you to begin with

healers have to do a lot of healing after the slidey ice part to keep the raid alive

it shouldn't be nearly as bad anymore though

since 15% echo

your healers need to get their shit together

[vernal breach]

its still pretty hard
I think someone proposed that we should gather in the middle so we can get aoe healed

Do people actually do that?

[drowsy agate]

yes

absolutely

[vernal breach]

Well shit

[drowsy agate]

what my static did, and what I presume a lot of statics do

as soon as the knockback effect appears

people stack with their group max melee on the safe spot

which should be enough distance for heals to hit both teams

[vernal breach]

Alright then, i’ll uuh advise that the next chance i get

[drowsy agate]

and then after the outer icicles drop

you sneak into the middle for a heal

personally, as RDM I didn't surecast the knockback but still got full uptime since I would be in melee combo here anyway

but if you're dancer it shouldn't matter on uptime since you have no casts

basically i walked into the middle and then let the knockback take me to the outside

[vernal breach]

I feel like im losing track of the sequence of events…

Icicles drop
Knock back occurs
Run towards max me;ee rsnge for aoe healz…

And then resolve tethers

Oh

[drowsy agate]

here's my sequence of events as RDM, starting from the very beginning of shiva phase

1. stack with my group to absorb giant raidwide
2. find my slide position and slide to it
3. slide to my next position
4. KB effect appears, look for outer safespot
5. run into max melee range in outer safespot, Embolden here
6. stay here even though the safespot isn't safe anymore (you have time to move)
7. wait until outer icicles drop, then run center and aim my knockback outside of the icicle to the outer edge
8. move around as needed to keep tether purple & not spear anyone else with my icicle

doing this, i'm able to maintain 100% uptime and use embolden on CD

[vernal breach]

Fancy

[sinful brook]

i use surecast it since manafic and embolden go out then. and my verfinishers finish right as i head out

both work fine if oyu want

[sharp wadi]

anyone know if jumps in this game is a teleport or a gradual movement?

[stable basin]

They're coded as dashes

The NIN job quest involving shukuchi has you "teleport" across a gap you can literally walk over

[drowsy agate]

ah i will keep that in mind after we figure out water and lightning stacks

[stable basin]

I'm a very big proponent of not Foxpaw after having to actually do it in one of my groups

[quick verge]

using arm's length isn't a cost

everyone should be automatically using it since limit cut

[vernal breach]

so im the tank now
and the shiva junction is still wiping parties, but atleast now i wont die :v

the situation is as grave as it has ever been, 90% of wipes happen on this phase . w.

[vernal breach]

like is it a healing issue?

fuck if i know, the healers dont agree with that assessment

[stable basin]

If you DM me a log I could probably tell you

[vernal breach]

uuh alright 🤔

[vernal breach]

kay guys, riddle me this....
why is it not called red uptime?

yknow what i mean?

[lyric summit]

cause there's a red circle in the middle? if it's red then you'd need to eat the aoe to keep uptime

[vernal breach]

eh?
if its a red circle, why dont u just stand by the blue circles?

[lyric summit]

if it's red it means red aoe will grow, so you have to go away from the boss in the middle so its downtime

[vernal breach]

does the blue areas not grow?

okay i get it now

lol

[short wing]

whats that eden quest song called, the techno kinda vibe

its very chill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdYE-5m5JgE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7K_BowsTtw

[drowsy agate]

https://youtu.be/RNdGoENQNQ4

you mean this?

[raw hill]

How viable is machinist at end game compared to the other physical dps? It doesn't seem like it brings as much utility as the others.

[stable basin]

if you're asking which pranged is best then mch is the best for you

[drowsy agate]

!faq meta

[storm frost]

How FFXIV's Meta Works

All jobs are good and viable in all content. The difference between meta and non-meta is minor, to the point that player skill is a significantly more important factor. Play what you enjoy/what interests you most, and you can make it work.

[drowsy agate]

mch does the most damage

[stable basin]

double gnb for uwu too

it really do be hitting different

[idle zenith]

if you dont mind the red thing hanging off the one viera hairstyle works pretty well with the allagan visor

[dreamy lotus]

Anyone doing@austere oceanaxandra ultimate looking for@a@party

[austere ocean]

Lmao

You called?

[odd beacon]

Damn green

You became a raid

[stable basin]

so for DRK it seems it is more ideal to line up delirium with edge of shadow spam and just use 3k when capped?
specifically in raid setting
i usually have 3k leftover ,-,
so it is better if i dump it in delirium as long i dont overcap?

seeing someone else log rn to see what i can improve and it seems (apart from this dude insane uptime kekw i cant really do much with PUG strat sometime) it seems he bank every edge of shadow except using it once in awhile to prevent overcap and then just use it later

huh..........in fact most of the time it is just TBN -> edge of shadow

[verbal oak]

yep

tbn is what makes DRK stand out as a tank, dps and mitigation in the same tool

[stable basin]

huh i see

[quick verge]

your resource dump should be around the same time as blood weapon

or your 1m windows

every other delirium will line up with 60s burst, shouldn't base your resource dump timings on that

[stable basin]

ah i see, yeah i see each blood weapon duration is indeed his dump window but he wont dump everything until delirium/living shadow duration happen it seems
guess i rely on blood weapon timing better

[quick verge]

your bigger resource dump is during 2m ye

[sinful brook]

Shifting edges into 2m windows is super nice to do with tbn, assuming you get it to pop consistently

[potent spire]

in e12s, do i need to use my invul for the tank busters or can i just use the TBN?

[stable basin]

you usually have on tank invuln and one tank cd each one

please refer to this picture for the ones you are not invulning

[short wing]

what loot does e4s bring? eden sepulture savage

[sinful brook]

!faq savageloot

[storm frost]

What floors of savage drop which items?

Per tier:
First floor: (Belt/Earring/Necklace/Bracelet/Ring) x3
Second floor: (Head/Gloves/Boots) x2 + Weapon Tomestone + Tomestone Accessory upgrade
Third floor: Head/Gloves/Boots + Legs + Tomestone Armor upgrade + Tomestone Weapon upgrade
Fourth floor: Weapon + Chest + Random single weapon + Mount + Minion

Loot Rules: Following each weekly reset, every player has a chance to obtain loot from the Savage encounters of the current raid tier. Upon clearing each floor, you will obtain 1 book specific to that fight (e.g. Book of Anamorphosis) and a chance to roll on the loot from that floor. Regardless of if you obtained loot from your weekly clear, you will be barred from rolling on loot from the same encounter until the next weekly reset.

Entering an encounter before clearing the previous floor(s) will relinquish all rewards from previously uncleared floors. (e.g. Entering E12S before clearing E9S for the week will relinquish loot from E9S, E10S, and E11S.) You will lose a chance to earn a book and your chance to roll on any loot that drops that week.

The number of players in your party that have cleared/skipped the encounter for the week will also affect the loot you will get after clearing the encounter.
0 players cleared: 2 chests
1-4 players cleared: 1 chest
5-8 players cleared: 0 chests

[sinful brook]

Fourth floor rewards

Lockout info doesn't apply right now

Also unlocks TEA

[short wing]

so i can savely hop onto e9-12s skipping e1-8s?

[sinful brook]

Yes

Savage tiers are tied to the tier they're in so completing the normal equivalent unlocks access to the four floors of savage

[short wing]

e9-12s dont show in duty finder. but thats because its current raid tier and locked to party finder, correct? just checking if im missing some unlock

[torn kindle]

click the top tab above all the other things to swap to the raid finder

or choose raid finder from the duty menu

[short wing]

whoa

[torn kindle]

current tier high-end content goes in there

which is the current savage raid, current extreme/unreal, and ultimate duties

[short wing]

do people usually queue here? or is party finder preferred?

[torn kindle]

party finder

though you can have raid finder only search for people that have completed the raid

but that doesn't necessarily mean a fast queue or consistent clears

[short wing]

yeah all i need to do i guess, is to parse well enough to get into a decent static.

[pine dirge]

I'm a level 80 SAM looking to gear up. Currently running the augmented exarchic gear. The balance discord says a combo of Edenmorn and Augmented Cryptlurker is BiS. I'm wondering how difficult the savage content actually is, and if it would be worth it to farm a full augmented crpytlurker gear set first? these seem easier to obtain as I can get the materials through the Nier Raids

[vale vine]

I don't know why people are greeding on tiles on a echo farm run for Umbra

Just move back to your originals, please

[vale dagger]

What was your favorite tier for Eden Savage?

[drowsy agate]

just go into savage

you're fine with i510+

i520 is the standard nowadays though

gear is less important, knowing the fight and playing your class well is far more important

don't buy any augmented cryptlurker that isn't eventually part of your bis if you're going to do any savage at all

[pine dirge]

yeah eventually I plan on it, just a bit intimidated

for now I'll upgrade the BiS cryptlurker pieces according to the Balance Discord

and use augmented excharchic until I decide to do savage content I guess

[tired brook]

that's what I need to do lulz

[lean flower]

is it worth getting edenmorn/crpytlurk gear

if i already have augmented exarch for SAM

with 3 months left of shadowbringes before current BIS is no longer

[verbal oak]

it depends on what you want to do

do you find progging savage fun?

if so do it

if you dont really care its not worth it

530 vs 520 only really helps for savage anyways

[vernal breach]

im amazed to see my meme see practical use

so i got to the lions bit in e12s
and i coulda sworn i saw one of the small lions tethered to me
im looking at a guide and it shows it tethered to a healer/tank

eh?

[stable basin]

it's random

they either tether all dps or all non-dps

[vernal breach]

oh boi..

[compact idol]

does this server have a housing channel?

[lilac pivot]

Why is there no E8S mount? :C There is E4S and E12S

[torn kindle]

there is

!mount ramuh

[storm frost]

Ramuh (1 Seats)

It is believed that Shiva's summoning in the Empty caused lightning-aspected aether left over from your battle with Ramuh to coalesce. The resultant crystal, when imbued with magic, gives rise to an entity which assumes the form of the Lord of Levin in all of his horse-legged, hulking glory.

Obtained From

Eden's Verse: Refulgence (Savage) (Raid)

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[torn kindle]

you get to ride a very sexy winged centaur

[lilac pivot]

why is it ramuh instead of shiva

isnt ramuh e5

[torn kindle]

yes

but also Shiva/Ryne is a minor

No riding minors

you can also ask the same for E4S

why is it not titan's car

[lilac pivot]

i want shiva mout just for the music 😄

atleast e4s mount has the correct song

[viral pelican]

Hey guys, I’m new to the discord. Is this a channel to look for people that can help me clear content?

[quick verge]

#603040914096783371 or #retired-eu-datacentres

[viral pelican]

Thanks a lot!

[solar tartan]

o.o maint tomorrow night

6pm PDT

....oops

[spiral wharf]

so im on duty waiting for nier raid

nvm

[vernal breach]

https://i.imgur.com/L5Ay28F.png

ive seen nearly every phase 1 mechanic in e12s and... like

what are the se markers even for?

i dotn think ive ever used em

why are people even organized inot clock positions in the beginning, i feel like thats another quirk ive never like

used

im almost dont with phase 1 and ive never learned what these markers are suppose to do for me lol

[sinful brook]

They're for line lions and shiva slides

Group 1 slides from a to b and group 2 c to d

The small lion baits are on 1 2 3 4

1 and 4 are east lions and 2 and 3 are west lions

[tidal nacelle]

Hey there, can some kind soul DM me the Thornmarch moogle marking macro?

[vernal breach]

... i see

theres something not particularly useful bout these markers thats for sure... :l

[sinful brook]

Its okay? Ish

The cross lions markers are applicable for p2 as well

I find more value in them

[vernal breach]

when you're dead to icicles but your corpse is in the right spot for titan
calculated

[unkempt mulch]

Lol

[sinful brook]

You've been dead too long then

[unkempt mulch]

Yea was about to say they didn't rez you in that time?

[sinful brook]

What's your party doing not rezzing you for a whole ass minute

[vernal breach]

they were uuuh

ressing somebody else i guess

there were a few of us alright

[unkempt mulch]

Feels bad

You were not important enough to rez first

Sad dps noises

[vernal breach]

theres abit of fuckery during the shiva junction
when the left and right is the safe spot
and group 1 slides to the right

like.. i know why they go left

but like... e9s, group 1 go left
e10s, group 1 go left
e11s, group 1 go left
e12s...group 1 go right

[nova socket]

that sounds like just an na thing

group 1 always goes left on 12s

[vernal breach]

i imagine the reasoning is that group 1 favors the northern spot and every other one going clockwise from that one

hence they go right

still bullshit tho

[sinful brook]

Its left if you look at it from north facing south

[vernal breach]

anytime i see a one class per player party, and the 2 i play are taken
sigh, time to play one of my lvl80 classes that im not actually any good at

:l

got 15% echo for godsake, must we still ahve this requirement

[snow patrol]

is e4s still challenging? like do i need a full premade party for it or can i just queue up for it? i haven't done any savages yet but i want the skyslipper mount

[vernal breach]

you prolly still need a premade for any savage/ex content whether they are as challenging as they used to be or not tbh

they're just uncommon content . w.

[unkempt mulch]

In 12 I just go whichever is furthest from my tether

[torn kindle]

For E4S you still need to do all of Phase 1, which is probably the most punishing phase IMO

[vernal breach]

run like hell til the tether turns color

[torn kindle]

and for the 2nd phase with good DPS/few deaths you should kill before the 2nd time Titan raises the platforms

[frank quiver]

E4S can be challenging, but echo is generous. You can clear with 3-4 deaths, lmao.

[torn kindle]

also i520-530 gear

[frank quiver]

Ah, whoops. That too.

[torn kindle]

you can probably have a dozen or so deaths and keep chugging along to enrage if you still do key mechanics right and keep tanks/healers alive

[frank quiver]

True, but at that point, it’d be faster to “reset” for a P2 kill. Just make sure people can do car & taco stuff. Specific meteor placement isn’t as crucial since healers are OP in E4S, lmao.

When I was grinding the raid, I got parties at a decent rate. First time I waited ~15m; second time I waited 2h+. Just put up a PF and wait.

Oh wait, I’m dumb. You’ve never done savage before, my bad. In that case, the mechanics can be challenging relative to what you’re used to.

[torn kindle]

yeah, the end fights of each savage raid tier are pretty brutal to do as a player fresh/new to savage fights

[snow patrol]

Thanks for the Tips @torn kindle @vernal breach @frank quiver ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[drowsy agate]

is there a guide somewhere for setting up max DPS DR farm builds

like RDM flare star or that one warrior build

[torn kindle]

I can't remember where I saw it, but basically something like this:
Tanks = Pure Essence, Font of Power, Lost Blood Rage
Healers = (Deep) Aetherweaver/profane, Seraph Strike, Font of Magic > Chainspell
Melee DPS = Pure Essence, Noble Sacrifices, Font of Power. Two Melee DPS in the raid should have Rend Armor instead of Font of Power to have 100% uptime.
Ranged DPS = Pure Essence, Font of Power, Noble Sacrifices/Honoured Ends. 1-2 Dervish per party instead of banner.
Caster = Pure Essence, Font of Magic > Chainspell. One Cure IV per party for Bravery buff, one Lost Flare per Raid.

Healers and casters will need Ether Kits to make use of Font of Magic. Seraph Strike + Chainspell can usually be mitigated with liberal usage of Lucid Dreaming and Ether potions.

Also a healer or caster should bring Lost Banish 3 for the ghost mini-boss if desired.

@drowsy agate

[drowsy agate]

oh thanks a bunch for that

only a single flare star per raid?

i guess it doesn't stack

[steady pebble]

mhm

[torn kindle]

yep, nonstackable

[steady pebble]

you will overwrite

[torn kindle]

it'd be absolutely horrific/memepowered if you could have 24 super-buffed flare stars

[steady pebble]

things would die soo fast

[torn kindle]

Just bring 24 RDMs to DR

[drowsy agate]

so I guess you pop the essence first and then pop font + chainspell?

[torn kindle]

Most people I see don't swap mid-fight

since you can't restock easily and the DPS actions are very expensive in bag space

[steady pebble]

for healer i kind of like going ordained for the chainspell bonus

[torn kindle]

generally just take a duplicate of their actions to replenish midfight as needed

[steady pebble]

probably not as much dps as profane/aether tho

[torn kindle]

yeah healer kinda gets shafted with their pure essence

!action pure essence of the divine

[storm frost]

**Pure Essence of the Divine** : lvl 0 WHM SCH AST (0.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Increases defense by 25%, damage dealt by 35%, and maximum HP by 100%.
Effect ends upon reuse.
Cannot be used with other Essence, Deep Essence, or Pure Essence actions.
It is said that Pure Essences may grant unexpected effects...

※This action can only be used in Delubrum Reginae.

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[torn kindle]

only 35% ;-;

[steady pebble]

maybe if i used divine instead

i wouldnt die on the 3rd boss x)

[torn kindle]

Meanwhile Tank's pure essence is as strong as deep martialist

[steady pebble]

or is it 4th?

whichever one is the 4 mini bosses

[torn kindle]

I have to actively hold my aoe burst for a few seconds

or i literally out-aggro the tanks

[steady pebble]

i swear to god

[torn kindle]

and die in a blaze of glory

[steady pebble]

i try to wait, but it never works

i will get aggro on one or two of them

and then cry as i die

[torn kindle]

me waiting for tanks to establish aggro

[drowsy agate]

so when you're ready to flare star

embolden manafic font

any other buffs?

[torn kindle]

that's all

though probably best to wait for raid buffs

[random sparrow]

Hallo, I'm looking for a BLU Static group on Light DC
Can anyone tell me where to look?

[odd beacon]

You could wait for 1 minute buffs

Flare star is 1min anyway so it should always align with something

[strange oar]

yo how hard is it to get the morbol mount

[marble spindle]

Where can I find a solid team for end game savage raiding prog/clears?

[lyric summit]

recruitment channels here or the balance, r/ffxivrecruitment, sit in party finder saying you're looking for a static, i think ffxivrecruiter.com is some discord people use but it's not very popular in EU so no idea

[plush ingot]

How hard is it to clear anamorphasis savage in the pf?

[sinful brook]

The two things that made this fight more challenging pre echo have been significantly reduced by echo, its just learning the mechanics

You can clear anything via pf

@plush ingot it was the increase in dps check and healing required that pf typically had difficulty with. But pf will be pf so mixed bag on who you get

I cleared via pf at the start of the tier

Echo should help keep things more smooth

[plush ingot]

Thanks for the info.

[thick needle]

Ok i pentamelded my aesthete, so here's the thing, for resplendent mat, am i supposed to try byregot the moment inner quiet reaches 11 or just continue doing quality stuff at 11 stacks

[tender violet]

Ya, dps gonne be like « stonks! »

[ancient heath]

ok

so you can skip

titanna adds?

how do you do this

[lyric summit]

probably dps fast and hard

thats usually all these is to skipping phases

[dull radish]

she phases at a certain % HP (I don't recall), so you have to like, get her down to just above that and then burst the rest of the HP down while she's in animation lock casting something

[humble mango]

i wouldn’t expect titania ex phase skips in PF parties

like it takes an immense amount of damage to do that, i usually see skipping add knockbacks with no echo though

[vale vine]

You can skip the uh

Bramble Knockback

With enough DPS

[west kindle]

someone experienced with e12s here? I need help on the mirrors

[sinful brook]

Which mechanic?

[west kindle]

long fire debuff

they start at true north, but where do they resolve?

[nova socket]

on the flanks but don't hit the tanks

[west kindle]

are tank mirrors always on flanks?

[sinful brook]

No

[nova socket]

theyre never on flanks

theyre far/close depending on where the slow tether is

[junior zealot]

Hi there,are they any groups for fresh practice Es12 from the beginning that i could join ?

[sinful brook]

Probably, check party finder

[west kindle]

so tanks go to their mirrors, which are on intercardinal, and long fire debuffs go to flanks?

[finite plank]

i assume basic

long fire go south away from the group so it doesn't hit anyone else

after kb

[nova socket]

running south instead of flank sounds a lot scarier

[celest phoenix]

Does anyone know the max stat requirements to craft everything at HQ

[vernal breach]

Depends how much HQ ingredients u got

The less stats u need

[celest phoenix]

Currently at 2600 craftsmanship and 2450 control

[drowsy agate]

been a while since I looked at my own pmeld set but I have something like 2700 and 2700

[celest phoenix]

I need to pmeld mine still XD

[vernal breach]

Think im at 27xx/28xx in stats more or less and i still need like one and a half HQ ingredients

For like sure 100%

Otherwise its anywhere between 89% and 100%

[celest phoenix]

Alright then I’ll aim for that 🙂

Thanks

[vernal breach]

Yeah just another 500 or so in stats to go..

[drowsy agate]

craft 2729, control 2816, cp 548
food: start with at least 9328 quality

this is what I have

this is before using HQ chili crab

so 9328 quality + HQ chili crab to pretty much guarantee 100% HQ

[vernal breach]

As a chef, i settle for starting 3000-5000 quality
Failing HQ like 5% of the time,which is remarkably frequent cuz rng is bullshit
Doesnt eat at profits that much

Lol

[celest phoenix]

Well I feel like I failed my penta meld haha

[celest phoenix]

Alright completed my penta meld 2803,2783, 538CP

Now I’m poor

[neat sail]

too bad you missed out on the time where you can buy 100s of practice materials and purposefully fail them over and over to spiritbond with like zero effort and barely any gil

[celest phoenix]

I’m just glad I only need to make 2 sets like this till November haha

[gray junco]

is it possible to do delubrum reginae multiple times? im doing the relic weapons and palace of the dead is not fun for me

[quick verge]

yes

people generally farm delubrum in speedrun pfs

where they bring high dps essences for their respective jobs + damage/damage enhancing lost actions

[torn kindle]

At the bare minimum, people expect pure essences, or Deep Aetherweaver/Profane for healers.

And as much buff skills as possible

I posted a list of stuff each role probably wants, lemme find it

#endgame-lounge message

Non-warriors can probably use Honored Sacrifices or Noble Ends instead of Blood Rage

If you have trouble setting it up

[gray junco]

thank you

[plush ingot]

What's the fastest way to get haunting/vexatious dreams? The raids or the fates?

[quick verge]

think farming fates with blu in the lochs/azim steppe are fastest

[verbal oak]

raids drop 3 per clear so if you dont have blu its faster to do them

[chilly musk]

ACT parse website is down? My tool isn't working.

Copy.

[deft bay]

can you guys help me for a second, i need a cutscene where the characters voice acted say La noscea, my father keeps saying la no-see-uh, and i know im not crazy ive heard it said somewhere in one of the cutscenes la no-sha - I was told to ask here

because apparently theres a 5.4 cutscene where lady says la noscea

i dont need sleep i need answers

[real pendant]

It's ラノシア in the Japanese Audio, which is Ra-No-Shi-A.

[deft bay]

i see now reason why shia would make cee-uh then, shuh would be closer, so la noscea is la no-shuh, especially because the one dude says la noscean ryhmes with ocean

if its la- no- sea- inn, does someone out there say oc-eea-inn?

[raw latch]

hey, what's the best site to check out what certain tokens redeem or preview endgame(or any) sets based on dungeon/raid/trial/whatever? Preferably would be nice to just straight up have a guide on endgame content based on expansion, so 50/60/70/80

[supple sail]

This isn't really the right channel for this but. EN voice actors pronounce it La NOH-Sha. Japanese doesn't exactly have a "sha" sound, so a transliteration of that sound is either written as two syllables "shi-a" (しあ) or as the single compound sound "shya" (しゃ) which can become "sha" when spoken. The Japanese version of La Noscea "ラノシア" (which in Hiragana would be らのしあ) takes the former approach but the English voice actors make the "-scea" part one syllable presumably because that sounds more natural in English. Names of places and characters in FFXIV are created collaboratively by the EN and JP teams to sound good in both languages, so this is probably deliberate.

[deft bay]

true, i was just told here because someone said a cutscene from the most recent patch had a character say la noscea nad i was asking if someone could point me a cutscene where someone says it so i can prove the english actors say la noscea and not la no see uh, but thank you for the history lesson

[sharp wadi]

will I be strong enough for contents for eden savage with 530 weapon and 520 gears?

[quick verge]

yes

[sharp wadi]

ok, nice

can I use any hq exarchic gear to buy any augmented exarchic?

or must it bee theee same item

[quick verge]

any hq exarchic

make sure it gives the correct amount of certs

you won't be buying a chestpiece with an earring trade-in

[sharp wadi]

oh shit I need something from eden raid to trade cryptlurker weapon?

[quick verge]

you can get the crypt ester by getting it as a drop from E11S, buying it with 4 books from E11S, or exchanging 1 coin from each nier raid for an ester in eulmore

[sharp wadi]

no, the fragmented tomestone to get the 520

[quick verge]

yes then

complete e12n 4 times

and exchange the blades of lost antiquity for the tomestone

[sharp wadi]

is eden normal doable with randos/pf lol

[quick verge]

very

[sharp wadi]

okk

[quick verge]

it's like the only way people do eden normal

[sharp wadi]

don't think I'm ready to find a raid group yet

[quick verge]

you'd only need to consider a raid group for eden savage

even then you find party finders to do it with