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[storm frost]

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[drowsy agate]

tldr; try to meld enough sks to be close to the sks tier you want

then crit > DH

sks will be fucky while you are still gearing because gear upgrades will mess up your tier

[wise ledge]

thx

[drowsy agate]

consult the sam guide in the balance discord I just linked for more info on sks tiers

sam has numerous sks builds

there's a "fast sam" build and a "slow sam" build along with an "inbetween" build

in a perfect world, you'd probably go to a training dummy and lab yourself on each of the sks tiers

but 99.999999999% of SAMs are just gonna pick "oh this one says it does the most DPS" and roll with that one

[wise ledge]

aha

[queen abyss]

hi im trying to get my resistance weapon and im on the part where you have to do fates in gyr albania and the far east, is there certain areas there that give you the memories needed for the 4th tier?

[verbal oak]

dont bother

allaince raids give 3 per clear

[drowsy agate]

both ways work

any zone in those areas work fine

they buffed the drop rate from fates too

fates are braindead to farm too

[quick verge]

farm fates in the lochs and the steppe

[drowsy agate]

oh yeah i guess lochs would sync you to 70 gear so the poetics gear will retain its stats

[solar hazel]

where does one go to look for group

[vagrant marsh]

I'm starting to try to get into savage raiding, and I've acquired augmented exarchic gear. If I meld it, should I meld it like I would BiS gear, or is there a guide on how to meld for lower level gear?

[quick verge]

you'd pretty much meld it the same way you do with max ilvl stuff

[toxic nexus]

a discord for what now

[wild sapphire]

is there an end game discussion channel for crafting/gathering?

[quick verge]

get the doh/dol role from #860652505117753384

[wild sapphire]

@quick verge thanks

[chilly portal]

Does Second coild of Bahamut (Savage) count as Endgame content ?

[lyric summit]

no

[chilly portal]

Thanks 🙂

[stable basin]

Endgame content is stuff that's at max level

[drowsy agate]

pretty much what biscuit said but you might want to also consider melding into your desired sks tier

lots of class's bis sets take into account all the extra sks you'd get from being a higher ilvl

so if your ilvl is lower then you might need to adjust your melds accordingly

[vagrant marsh]

I'm going off rdm, which doesn't really want sps right?

[drowsy agate]

yes, RDM doesn't use spell speed

there is a specific case when you do

but that's not relevant until you are trying to parse

[vagrant marsh]

Is there a way to get i530 gear without savage raiding?

[drowsy agate]

augmented cryptlurker is your only non-savage i530

and the relic weapon I guess

[quick verge]

aug cryptlurker

just need to spam nier raids for coins

[drowsy agate]

bis is a combination of augmented exarchic and edenmorn (savage drop)

[quick verge]

to exchange for upgrade items

[drowsy agate]

wait yeah sorry cryptlurker

[vagrant marsh]

I'm just not sure when would be appropriate to try to get a static going for savage

[drowsy agate]

you don't have to have a static

just hop into party finder

you could literally go watch an e9s guide right now and join a learning party

[vagrant marsh]

Well, my ultimate goal (pun intended) is to finish TEA. A static would be a lot better in the long run I think.

[drowsy agate]

well there are a few issues with that

the static you join for savage is not necessarily going to want to do tea

they may not even be good enough to

a static that is opting to start fresh right now is not likely to be experienced

at least in my opinion, it'd be better to just start in savage and get your feet wet, join a static after you have some experience, and then consider joining an ultimate-dedicated static after you finish the current tier

or hey maybe the savage static you joined is great and wants to do tea

[vagrant marsh]

Hmm, either way, I've still got a few weeks before I'll start trying to clear savages. Thanks for the help!

[drowsy agate]

judging from my own experience in progging tea with my static so far

it's nothing like savage

significantly harder

you have to literally change your raiding mindset to prog ultimate

messing up repeatedly in e12s can be fixed eventually

messing up repeatedly in tea prog is literally going to crumble your mind

the first 2 minutes being incredibly packed with mechanics right away

we're finally starting on BJCC prog after over a month of ironing out LL lol

but we also only raid 2 days a week

chakrams look pretty silly easy so far

we're still getting caught by limit cut in most of our attempts

we're doing haru glory strat

idk it was one of the suggested strats in the 60 page long TEA document

basically we do 1256 split but we just run in circles

[finite plank]

wat

[drowsy agate]

split into 1256

then just run along the circle of the arena

with 1 in front

and 2 behind 1

5 and 6 are on the outer circle

this way no one has to worry about who's facing what

then just swap after the first round of cuts go out

idk the document called it haru glory strat

so whatever

[dull radish]

mm, you generally shouldn't

but you ideally shouldn't arm's length/surecast as an odd number, for a bit more leeway

oh, for those people it's usually pretty safe

unless the dash is aimed rather askew

but, no reason to not move anyways after the cleave

since it gets you closer to your next spot sooner anyways

I've actually seen more people being a bit antsy and moving too soon

[drowsy agate]

we're at the point where everyone knows what to do, we just need to see the mechanic a few more times

[dull radish]

and getting clipped by the cleave itself

[drowsy agate]

our best attempt had 6 people alive going into bjcc

so i just have to figure out a blm opener for that phase

[dull radish]

more on positioning than timing really

[drowsy agate]

that dash is absolutely wider than we thought

it got us at least 3 times last raid night

[dull radish]

another important point is making sure people duck back in mid when they can for healing/mitigation for j-kick. People have a tendency to stand out near the edge the whole time and it's harder to get people back up, especially if healers end up having the last 7/8

[drowsy agate]

i oughta go look at wormhole again in the video

[dull radish]

what strat are you going with for wormhole? Though it's a bit of a ways off still for ya

[drowsy agate]

🙃

whatever that 60 page document suggests

or whatever's in the Valith video

i don't think any of us have looked that far ahead yet

[dull radish]

yeah, better to focus on stuff coming up a bit sooner

most wormhole strats are pretty ok, it's more just what works well with your group, identifying what people are messing up and how to make things clear for them to do things properly

having povs of each number and clearing up misunderstandings early on can help you get through the mechanic pretty quick, if people study ahead of time

[drowsy agate]

what do you suggest

[dull radish]

it's funny, there's a good number of people that actually hate this strat and claim it's one of the bad ones

though that'll happen with just about any strat out there

we did something relatively similar and it worked out well for us

[drowsy agate]

oh goddamnit limit cut numbers come up again

so 1256 again eh

[dull radish]

kinda, though here you just split evens/odds

[drowsy agate]

that's not so bad

[dull radish]

and you just take place of the person ahead of you after their mechanic resolves

[drowsy agate]

is the boss targetable during all this?

[dull radish]

nope

[drowsy agate]

thank goodness

so i don't have to cry on blm

[dull radish]

just have to spam US

with this 1 is the coziest number in the world, 2 is pretty close if you can get used to the positioning (it's easy)

3 and 4 you have so little to worry about

[drowsy agate]

is wormhole at the end of bjcc?

[dull radish]

no

[drowsy agate]

oh joy

we're living like, 3 minutes into the fight

so i guess we got 6 more minutes to work on before getting there

[dull radish]

after BJ/CC you have the phase transition, inception, and then wormhole. Then the burn phase

yeah we did it right real quick, other than the occasional "whoops"

it's easy

you just place the judgement crystals like you did back in A12S

and then you know where alex prime spawns from the crystal radiating

well, that's the reason why haha

the previous knowledge made them think they had to resolve the mechanic that way, which "worked" but didnt' give you the buff

the heart doesn't change anything

you do the same exact positioning relative to alex

with doing the mechanic properly you know it because the true heart runs to alex. With doing it the incorrect way, you know where he is from the crystal

you split and do things exactly the same otherwise

I don't remember buffs/positioning super well there, but it could be that there was a failed tether or something which made them die and not count in the stack

which made other stack people die

regardless, the heart itself has nothing to do with it

yeah it's always worth it to roll the dice there if you still need practice leading up to P4

if somehow the heart gets messed up

[sharp depot]

Hm, is there a reason a full set of left-side i475 isn't BiS for TEA? Do i470 get scaled up or something?

I expected the main stat difference to have been a giveaway to be BiS

[quick verge]

some i475 gear has bad substats

which is worse than having good substats on i470 gear

[sharp depot]

So main stats bonus doesn't outweigh the good substats of the i470?

[quick verge]

in the scenario of TEA bis, it doesn’t

if you take a 475 chest with piety/det and compare it to a 470 piece with crit/det

then the 470 piece will be favored

as an extreme example

in some other cases numbers might have been crunched for tiering memes that result in slight gains over the alternative

and shadowless gear also has 1 less meld slot in the belt/accs, something else to consider

[sharp depot]

I see, thanks for the explanation. I knew about the belt/accessories but was just confused about the armor pieces. I had thought the jump in main stat would've outweighed the substats, but I suppose it doesn't make up for bad substats

[quick verge]

it’s only 5 ilvl, so the jump isn’t too significant

10, 20 ilvl difference is where it’s harder to justify a lower ilvl piece

which does/did happen sometimes

[graceful jackal]

Quick question, when does Warrior's self healing really take off? I'm around 50 and don't heal myself too much yet

[nova socket]

76

[drowsy agate]

whenever you learn nascent flash

yeah 76

!action nascent flash

[storm frost]

**Nascent Flash** : lvl 76 WAR (25.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Grants the effect of Nascent Flash. Also grants target party member Nascent Glint.
Nascent Flash Effect: Absorbs damage dealt as HP
Nascent Glint Effect: Restores HP equaling 50% of that recovered by Nascent Flash while also reducing damage taken by 10%
Duration: 6s
Shares a recast timer with Raw Intuition.

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[graceful jackal]

awesome thank you!

[stable basin]

any drk gamers might enlighten my pea brain how to meld drk?
I saw the priority but idk how much stat i wanna invest at minimum

[wintry ridge]

so i finished eden savage and have a set of 530 stuff to use, I did it on my 520 SAM but what class should i pick for 530

whats in most demand end game? tank? ranged dps? drg? sam?

[wet heath]

Tank or healer is definitely harder to find

Dancer is a standby for dps

Samurai is usually well liked

If i had to guess id say that healers are in highest demand

[sinful brook]

it really doesn't matter tbh

just play what you like more

[wet heath]

Ye. Probably have a backup tank or healer tho if youre concerned about party finder wait times

[errant sinew]

anything worthwhile to spend revelation on ?

[torn kindle]

The only thing to spend them on is i520 gear which upgrades to i530

[vale vine]

You can never go wrong melding crit

as like a default

[stable basin]

so you dont meld to get x stat (except sks i guess) but just meld until it cant really take it anymore?
huh

[vale vine]

for most classes

[stable basin]

aight guess i just do that for my augmented exarchic x nier pieces

i did meld crit dh and sks but wasnt sure how to meld when it is crit vs dh

thanks

goddamn my gcd need to be 2.38 or it cant even reach 5th bloodspiller

freaking ping

[nova socket]

that sounds like you're clipping very hard

or are pressing delirium way too early

[stable basin]

eh, dunno tbh
pretty sure i press it as fast as i can using the balance 3rd GCD opener

[quick verge]

if you're pressing delirium in your 2nd weave window then you're just clipping a lot of stuff afterwards

[stable basin]

so i shouldnt do this?

[quick verge]

if you're clipping stuff, leading to a loss of a bloodspiller then you should do

[stable basin]

i can do it tho
given the sks is 3.48
but it is bit finnicky i admit

eh

2.38

kek

my ping is 212ish

[quick verge]

finicky isn't good enough

needs to be consistent

[stable basin]

hmmmmm
guess i plug my ethernet cable in actual raid
if that doesnt solve it i need to just use single weave

[crude dome]

hey are fates or raids more efficient for the last part of relic weapon quest (180 items)?

[sinful brook]

no reason why oyu can't do both

do as much skirmishing and CE while you can and tehn pick up the leftovers with raids as you need

[crude dome]

okay cool, thanks 😄

[unkempt elm]

how do i join a linkshell or whatever to hunt the FATE boss in Tempest that drops horns that can be used to buy frog suit?

[stable basin]

ask for an invite from someone who's in it

there should also be a primal hunt discord that pings fates and hunts

[tired brook]

Finally about to beat the entire MSQ…

That final Trial was pretty dope

[tight jay]

my friend gave me 100mil gil, as a fresh 80 is it better for me to buy crafted gear? or to farm it myself?

[tired brook]

You can buy all 510 gear easy… but you have to grind for the 530+ stuff

[tight jay]

do you recommend buying 510 gear?

[tired brook]

I mean, you can if you want

It’s like an easy way to be able to do all that endgame content

You just have to unlock it all

IE: beat the MSQ and unlock all the trials and raids

And unlock Bozsja

However you spell it

Honestly, all the 510 gear for 1 char is like… less than 1.5 mil

A drop in your current wallet lol

[wheat dune]

That for 1 character or 1 job?

[torn kindle]

Job

Well, role depending on the job

[wet heath]

We nearly skipped prismatic o.o (echo)

oh nah nah

We also had a bard

idk why he's not showing

22k dps

everyone else parsed like a god tho

or well, above average at least

I thought my purple was good then I look at BLM and healer

We got it to 1% before prismatic

and I didnt even pot nor did DRG

yeah had I known our group was so stacked I woulda tried more lmao

You'd be surprised lol.

Even with echo, I managed to hit enrage 3 times in a row whilst learning it

A few of em I definitely couldve made the difference but I died lol

I wish I had an e12s static

party finder is my biggest enemy to learning

This is my first time dipping my toes into raiding so Im hoping to get a clear on the hardest content (outside of ultimates ofc) at least once even if its with echo

I figure that'll be enough to prepare for next expansion's challenges when I wont be outgeared and using echo

Really lookin forward to actually being active in the game while raid tiers are being released

rn the raiding scene is clearly not very strong lol

[quick verge]

hidden profile maybe, idk

[wet heath]

Is 2 ultimates per expansion a normal thing?

I thought the first ultimate was the only one of its expansion

nvm that cant be right since it came out in SB I think

[steady pebble]

it was their intent to do 2 per

but covid really put a kink in things, plus they decided to push the 2nd shb ultimate to 5.5x instead of 5.3x, iirc

[quick verge]

yea

[wet heath]

Oh? I take it they haven't released an ultimate in 5.5x though, so it must be coming next xpac?

[quick verge]

yep

[wet heath]

rippers

[quick verge]

dragonsong war ultimate delayed until 6.1

[wet heath]

I can see how that would kill the hardcore side of things

Though I would consider that to be bleeding edge so I wonder how much impact it could have in my sphere of semi-serious raiders

I'd probably say that the raiding scene isnt that active mostly because theres not much reason to do em other than having BiS for a couple months

[steady pebble]

raiding always starts to really falter towards the end of an odd patch

since usually tiers last around 6mos

so most of the hardcore crowd have finished their bis

with .5 tho, the time between it and expac itself is 6mos

so the last tier is the longest of them all

so really by this point most people who really care about BiS are gonna have most if not everything they want

the people who are going to be doing savage right now are new/returning players mostly

[wet heath]

Like me!

At least the streaming scene has brought a lot of people back

[misty topaz]

is there an e 12 savage mount like the other eden raids?

[north glade]

Yo guys I recently joined a static that wants to do the last tiers of Eden savage. I've never done savage raiding or anything of the sorts and I'm super nervous lol. Am I in over my head or is it doable? I'm iLvl 530 btw so I'm definitely geared.

[misty topaz]

@north glade hey i just started my savages and static 2 days ago in raiding im a tank main

@north glade its all about learning and proging so you got this man

[north glade]

Hell yeah man thanks for the encouragement. I think it's just in my head nervousness cause I'm tanking too and it just feel like a lot of responsibility on me.

[misty topaz]

@north glade hey its all good everyone starts somewhere tanking u need to know some more mechanics and just joining a practice run can go a long way in learning. e9 will have some rng too it so you need to watch and see what she is casting and ajust

[mighty shale]

yoyoyo i am lvl 75, stopped to do my relic transmog and now i am heading to end game ( mythic wow raider ) so i will be looking for a guild to raid do you know the ilvl requirements to start raiding ?

[drowsy agate]

i510 is the baseline to begin the current tier

but right now it's so late into the tier that i520 is the standard now

I wrote a gearing guide you can follow that's pinned in #questions-and-help

[stable basin]

had e4s prog today @quick verge
you were right, i clipped hard more often even with lowest recommended sks
it is clipping after living shadow and delirium double weave

which then screwed the macro for salted earth

[mighty shale]

ok i guess i will have trouble finding a guild that does end end content 😦

[stable basin]

which screwed the entire opener

[drowsy agate]

uhh, no you won't

first off

people don't exactly raid with guilds in FFXIV

most FCs have very little to do with a raid team

you'd be looking for a static, which is just a group of players who raid together

and may or may not have anything to do with an FC

i510 is also incredibly easy to get

considering, at lowest effort, you can spend less than 1m gil to buy an entire set off the MB in minutes

[mighty shale]

yeah i have 14m gil but i mean i hope i can find a 4/7 raid group, i am used to do like 4 hours prog

[drowsy agate]

I'm sure you can find a hardcore static out there

just make posts on recruitment subreddits or in #recruitment-yourDC

[mighty shale]

thx thx

❤️

[vapid socket]

Hello. Don't know if this is the correct place to ask but are there any groups playingto farm mounts in game?

Like the steeds and such

[tired brook]

You can solo Ramuh and Levi EX?

With what class

[glass pine]

any class can do it unsynced with high enough gear

[vapid socket]

What is "high enough" ?

[glass pine]

IL 380-400+ can do it, but ideally you'd have 510-520+

[serene lotus]

All jobs can solo ARR extremes

BLU can 1-shot them with the right abilities

[odd beacon]

I've heard about rushing level cap on expansion release means you will have unabated access to the Hunt marks, this means tomes and hunt currency right?

And tomes equals materials needed to craft the gear when the new tier drops, yes?

[quick verge]

yeah, rushing to level cap gets you more hunt marks provided you're there

there's also going to be uhhh

multiple instances per zone

[odd beacon]

Oh shit thats true

[quick verge]

for a while, maybe 6.1

[odd beacon]

So like, 3 instance of every zones?

[quick verge]

yeah

like 3 rak tika

3 amh araeng

etc

you have a whole month anyway, so unless you don't care about the story you can take your time

[odd beacon]

Oh definitely, was just wondering the HC aspect of rushing to level cap.

[wintry ridge]

whats difference between 535 relic and 535 edenmorn ?

[sinful brook]

more substats and customizable

[late basin]

Bro I’m level 1 how do I get to endgame

[quick verge]

you play the video game

[vernal breach]

is whorleater just one big ol dps check? :T

is the big ol aoe that wipes the party not cheesable with tank lv3 or smthn?

[quick verge]

dont u just press the elemental... conversion shield thing before its aoe

just do that and kill it

[dull radish]

you have to kill the plumes "fast" enough to let the generator have time to recharge, and have to activate it to shield the AoE

it's not that tight a check or anything but it's a mechanic that you have to do

[vernal breach]

Its feeling pretty tight seeing as one barely gets through with a blm lb3

[dull radish]

so this is one of those times that I assure you that the dps check is not all that tight, but that output varies greatly based on skill of the people in your party

[vernal breach]

Thats a shame
“Hey u sam, do more deeps” is probably the last piece of advice i wanna give in chat ;l

[empty vault]

is skill speed or spell speed better for astro?

[quick verge]

you don't benefit from sks

so i'd say spell speed wins

[wintry ridge]

guys act sucks is there a better meter, wow is just like addon and done, act is, access a secure mainframe, download the file, open the file and download 5 things in a sequential order, make special rules for your firewall, dowload more stuff, play with ettings until its not broken, and pray for no update

[vernal breach]

isnt the guys who make act adn the guys who make the wow dps meter the same people

[dull radish]

ACT is just what you have to deal with. It's not too complicated honestly, but I can understand it can be annoying the first time you go to install it

no

it's fflogs that has the same guy as warcraftlogs or whatever

[vernal breach]

i see

being a dps on whorl eater certainly is a hell lot more exciting
tbh, im not entirely sure what my task is as MT other than sitting in a corner for 10 minutes ;l

its like.. adds? oh the OT will get it i guuueees

[vernal breach]

yknow, i finally did complete E10S
and my little confession is that i dont actually know which umbra orbs to pick up
im a tank see.. like.. wall relative? relative to what? theres 4 flipping walls

glad i cleared the darn thing, my brilliant solution to the problem was to watch where the other tank was going.. and then just not go in that direction if umbra orbs allow it

[serene lotus]

Relative to the safe wall

I'm assuming someone posted a macro of who goes where, but afaik, mt goes the left most orb

So you'd run to the safe wall, turn to the boss and grab the left-most tank orb

I haven't done that mechanic properly in so long lmao

[vernal breach]

im doing it right without knowing what it is im doing

its not very elegant.. either

[serene lotus]

The mechanic is awful

The orbs have weird snap shotting and it's just not a fun mechanic

[sinful brook]

wall relative is

[serene lotus]

Skipping it is

[dull radish]

wall relative is the other way around, no?

you face the wall and do it relative to that

boss relative is the weird one where you face back towards the boss and do it relative to that

[vernal breach]

yeah orbs and shadow warrior, not my favorites...
speaking of, i feel like they made the speed of shadow warrior.. much slower

[stable basin]

I prefer boss relative since you're already facing it when the orbs spawn

[dull radish]

I prefer wall relative since I figure out my position as I'm running towards/looking at the wall, so boss relative I have to do an extra step of looking back at the boss or thinking "backwards". But either way is really whatever, as long as people are on the same page and aren't too slow

[vernal breach]

well erm... sadly my facing varies wildly depending on the phase.. and sometimes we arent facing the boss at all .w.

i dont think ive ever seen boss relative in party finder

so i really just have to concern meself with how the fuck wall relative works

like.. sometimes you're also facing a corner, not at a wall

[dull radish]

you're never

[vernal breach]

and like. . shit now what?

[dull radish]

the safe spot is always along a wall, yeah?

whether it is N/S/E/W, you're always running towards one of the walls directly

[serene lotus]

The dogs do a full lap and then jump to either side

[dull radish]

you look at the wall, and then if you're left for wall relative you run to the orb furthest left along that wall when you're facing it

[serene lotus]

Normal mode has you going to a corner-ish

[sinful brook]

its 5 jumps always so you can always ignore the first 4

and see if it goes left or right from the tether

[vernal breach]

yknow what i mean? like facing a corner?

[dull radish]

that's not the mechanic that people really refer to for boss relative/wall relative

it's the one earlier, shadow warrior, with the jumping shadows

[vernal breach]

hurm

yeah i definitely wing the shit out of that

like unironically https://i.imgur.com/m7btYgR.png

but seriously, how the hell are the orbs handled during other phases ;l

[dull radish]

I haven't really done any PF for the fights but usually you just have a bit of a priority

how that's spread out probably varies by DC

[vernal breach]

goddamit

[dull radish]

as a tank you can always just ask the other tank which orb they want to grab

makes it nice and easy

[sinful brook]

its typically group 1 N counter clockwise and group 2 NE clockwise

on aether

[vernal breach]

i mean, as dps
i just follow the conveniently marked healer

still havent managed to clear whorl unreal

[serene lotus]

As a dps you just follow your assigned healer

[vernal breach]

liek soemtimes the orbs are arranged such that... which one even is left or right >:l

[stable basin]

[sinful brook]

the prio works the same on dps too

[stable basin]

On crystal we kinda wing it too

[sinful brook]

butyeah winging it seems to work fine for pf

[stable basin]

If its not wall orbs, g2 takes prios south or east and the other side for g1

[vernal breach]

i dont wanna wing it tho >:L

it kinda doesn t work sometimes yknow

[stable basin]

Since healers are usually marked you have plenty of time to adjust

[vernal breach]

im usually the tank >:l

[stable basin]

If you're MT*, prio north or whatever side you took for wall orbs

And the opposite for ot

[quick verge]

can just have a tank sac for jump dogs if your party is spaghetti

[stable basin]

Ya

[vernal breach]

naw thanx

[frank quiver]

With Echo, you could sac a DPS as well, tbh.

[vernal breach]

best sac a dps... but they wouldnt volunteer to do that

thats whyt hey're playing dps D:

[dull radish]

generally better to sac a tank unless you have a particularly underperforming dps that you could persuade to do it instead

[quick verge]

anything to skip vg2

[vernal breach]

vg2 aint so bad... . w.

ive never managed to skip it, acme close tho

[dull radish]

it's not even that the mechanic itself is bad

[sinful brook]

seeing it with echo

[dull radish]

just that it's easy to skip, even moreso with echo, and that different people get annoyed with different strats for it

so much nicer to be able to just clear beforehand and save the hassle

[vernal breach]

ive never seen any strat other than j-j-j-japan

[sinful brook]

JP strat is the standard PF choice for vg2 on aetehr

[vernal breach]

my confidence isnt exctly bolstered upon seeing "skip vg2" in PF

[stable basin]

Not skipping VG2

[vernal breach]

its not exactly a choice made by 1 person

[wet heath]

So tired of line lions prog lol

[solid tendon]

Chocobo Race experts, how do you get Rare Skill tomes added to the shop like Super Sprint or their III's?

[wet heath]

Ive finally got a handle on it but cant find any groups that'll get thru it

Tempted to just do a little trolling and join a basic relativity prog group

[finite plank]

DD prog

[sinful brook]

basic rel prog is just shiva prog

[wet heath]

Titan prog is shiva prog
Statues prog is titan prog
Line lions prog is statues prog
Enrage prog is line lions prog
Basic relativity prog is all of the above

[sinful brook]

if you need a body i can always help out if i'm around

[wet heath]

That'd be great lol I would be happy to clear P1 and move onto more interesting mechanics

Admittedly I have only like 80% success rate on shiva phase but I have titan and statues down pat

Line lions is only a matter of getting there and having a chance to go all the way thru it I'd say

[stable basin]

any good diagram/guide to not fuck up diamond ex auri II art

[winged pagoda]

Hi, just getting started with ffxiv, am a raid casual player, healer or tank, am going to see down the way, my question is, are there alot of guild or as you call them fc that recruits new players for raid content only? and I know ffxiv is not about the end game and more about the story, but my main reason playing at end game content, and I just want to be sure that I can find guilds once I reach end game

[sinful brook]

Raiding isn't usually primarily done through fcs

Since you can match from people all over your data center it doesn't really make sense to limit your recruitment to one server, much less just an fc

[wheat marsh]

i wouldnt advertise yourself as a casual raider if you're looking for raid-focused FCs. that's a quick pass for them, they want focused people they can pull in when people want to do savage/ultimate content and not spend half a lockout getting everyone situated.

[winged pagoda]

which server is eu is the most populated?

[sinful brook]

We have official population data

[winged pagoda]

ok thanks

[sinful brook]

Since for the reason I mentioned above its not important

[winged pagoda]

ohhhh

ok I get it now

seems good

[lofty forge]

what kind of dps should i be doing at 510 ilvl as dnc

[nova socket]

personal dps like 16.5k+

[wheat marsh]

are there charts of which savages drop what coffers and what their books can buy?

[dull radish]

!faq savageloot

[storm frost]

What floors of savage drop which items?

Per tier:
First floor: (Belt/Earring/Necklace/Bracelet/Ring) x3
Second floor: (Head/Gloves/Boots) x2 + Weapon Tomestone + Tomestone Accessory upgrade
Third floor: Head/Gloves/Boots + Legs + Tomestone Armor upgrade + Tomestone Weapon upgrade
Fourth floor: Weapon + Chest + Random single weapon + Mount + Minion

Loot Rules: Following each weekly reset, every player has a chance to obtain loot from the Savage encounters of the current raid tier. Upon clearing each floor, you will obtain 1 book specific to that fight (e.g. Book of Anamorphosis) and a chance to roll on the loot from that floor. Regardless of if you obtained loot from your weekly clear, you will be barred from rolling on loot from the same encounter until the next weekly reset.

Entering an encounter before clearing the previous floor(s) will relinquish all rewards from previously uncleared floors. (e.g. Entering E12S before clearing E9S for the week will relinquish loot from E9S, E10S, and E11S.) You will lose a chance to earn a book and your chance to roll on any loot that drops that week.

The number of players in your party that have cleared/skipped the encounter for the week will also affect the loot you will get after clearing the encounter.
0 players cleared: 2 chests
1-4 players cleared: 1 chest
5-8 players cleared: 0 chests

[dull radish]

as far as books, it's 4 books per accessory or upgrade material, 6 books for belt/head/gloves/boots, 8 books for weapon/chest/pants

you trade in the books from a floor for the gear that drops from them. The only weird one is head/gloves/boots since those drop on both the 2nd and 3rd floor (for this tier that's E10S and E11S, respectively), but you can only buy them with books from the 2nd one

[wheat marsh]

yeah all i've found is text which is messy to me XD

[dull radish]

I mean functionally a chart would look exactly like what the top section in the kupo faq looks like

it's not that complex

like

[wheat marsh]

thats a lot neater though

that still doesnt have what the books buy XD

[steady pebble]

the books buy what drops from that fight

[wheat marsh]

except not e11s coffer 1

[quick verge]

can figure out what books buy by going to the vendor

[steady pebble]

e11 would be pants, since 10 is gloves/boots/head

[dull radish]

err, sec

other than not being able to buy head/gloves/boots with 11 books it's very straightforward and like biscuit mentioned, it's super easy enough to just go look at the vendor to see anyways

but there ya go

[thorn reef]

Question about Ninja - I usually use the lightning ability ability on Single Target/Bosses, is it worth putting the swirly thing down too on bosses? Its great for AoE but idk if the damage is worth it on Single Target?

[quick verge]

not really, you can't really justify single target doton

[wheat marsh]

if you mess up and you end up with it on a big stationary boss like first boss of tower or the phase change of hades they'll stay in it the whole time at least since they dont move XD

[thorn reef]

Aight thanks both! Ninja is so much fun haha

[wet heath]

Did a little trolling and joined a basic relativity prog

It turned out to be a door boss prog as youd expect

Did my parts right for line lions at least

[near trail]

Hi!
Since I'm slowly getting closer to endgame and am into hard content, id like to get some info on how to find a group for UCoB, UWU, and TEA.

I heard about statics but what are those?
Which ilvl do I need minimum to be accepted?

Ignore the ilvl question, it's 70 synced content

I'm stupid

[quick verge]

1. look through recruitment servers/channels

there’s a server dedicated to recruitment pinned. can also use https://discord.gg/F7tgC4S for Europe and recruitment channels in The Balance

if neither work, you can just look at recruitment ads in the party finder or make one yourself.

most ultimate groups will likely want you to have prior experience in endgame content, so usually clearing the current savage raids. you might find a group even without experience, but I wouldn’t count on it

2. statics are just a set group of people that come together to do content, usually raiding at set times in a week

[autumn ermine]

Yo what’s the quickest way to finish my Bozja relic? I’m on the last stage. Is x5 Dalriada the way to go? ☠️

[torn kindle]

Level 70 dungeons are faster if you have a level 70 blue mage

[dusty dirge]

would you guys recommend I keep my old mats for later use

I just hit level 80 on crafters/gathers

got my stuff penta melded

or sell it all start fresh

[misty topaz]

hey what is this tortured memory of dying i keep getting in the bozhan warfront?

[quick verge]

check if the mats sell for anything, or can be used for any valuable items/things you want, otherwise can dump them imo

[quick verge]

it's an item that you have a chance of getting when you kill a mob/clear a skirmish, needed for the relic weapon quests

[misty topaz]

so do i have to max lvl my old relic quests to start the new ones?

what i mean is do i need to max a 480 relic weapon to start working on the 535 relic quest?

[quick verge]

you need to start with a 485 or whatever relic to eventually get to the 535 relic

and do each step

you don't need completed relics from previous expansions to do the current one

[toxic fern]

Is there a discord to do DRS?

[mystic plaza]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TriumphantHeartlessAlmondWOOP-S9OReJb2A3Pxy_Hk

NA PF moment

[wet heath]

Yup

I had the jankiest clear of my life the other day

Boss getting dragged around everywhere, healer LB3, went through all 3 cycles of faith

[quick verge]

what the fuck are cycles

[frank quiver]

I can’t watch it because it’s only for “mature audiences,” lmao. What happens?

[subtle bone]

cant tell u, its only for mature audiences

[mystic plaza]

group didnt LB, group forgot what mechanics were, entire party except tanks wipe and then he kills the last few % of the boss

[frank quiver]

LOL Echo hard carry. Iconic.

[sinful brook]

all of which could have been avoided if a melee lbed that last 1%

or even befoer that lmao

[short wing]

hey should i keep the Allagan Tomestone of Poetics? because im capped at 2,000 it seems or can i spend it on the Augmented gear? or is that a waste?

[torn kindle]

!faq poetics

[storm frost]

What should I spend my Poetics on? How do I get more?

Text guide on what to spend Tomestones of Poetics on

Video guide on how to get more Tomestones of Poetics

[torn kindle]

you get a lot of them simply by doing roulettes and level 50/60/70 duties

[near trail]

Sorry for the late reply thank you for that reply!!

I joined the recruiter discord, can find people to do things with there for sure. Now I just need to get to engame

[unborn bramble]

why people are so allergic to pressing LB3 XD

[drowsy agate]

i can't watch that video right now but LB3 is a DPS loss for sweaty parsing

heh

[tired brook]

Question.

I wanna do some of the EX stuff I’ve missed

You think I can solo most of it? And if so, as a tank or DPS or heals

I still have like 2 ARR EX trials and some HW stuff

[drowsy agate]

any ARR EX can easily be soloed by any class unsynced at 80

most HW EX require at least a few people

bismarck can be done solo if you burst one of the dragon adds fast enough

ravana is just easy

i think the other ones require some people

[tired brook]

Yea I might do my 80 SAM for the ARR ones I’m missing

[unborn bramble]

its echo enabled anyways it will be separeted logs LUL

[still inlet]

Not only is it with Echo, they still hit cycles

At that point just guarantee the kill before any more memes. People had damage downs or were dead

[wanton ocean]

so i there a chat that acts like pf?

[torn kindle]

in terms of a global chat for the server? not really

all chat channels that go across zones are all private ones you need to be invited to

Like Linkshells, Free Companies, and the Novice Network

and only Cross World Linkshells go across servers

[frigid spire]

Any tips from shiva icicles fron e12s? Path looks clear to me but i still die. Tyvm!

[sinful brook]

what part are you dying to?

[solar saddle]

New player to FF, but top tier hardcore WoW refugee, how much time dedication is needed for FFXIV top tier raiding, have been watching fights and they look like a blast!

And by that I mostly just mean clearing the highest level of content

[quick verge]

depending on the ultimate fight, you're looking at a ~50 hour—probably a lot more if your group is inexperienced—investment into one

[solar saddle]

do most people just do pick up raids or do people do scheduled weekly raids?

[sinful brook]

depends on the level of raid

for savage both are quite common

for ultimate you see less pick up

[stable basin]

primal has the strongest pug ulti scene

pfs fill for it, eventually

but fights are still hard

and you'll be doing a lot of waiting

[solar saddle]

im on primal Excalibur

[sweet python]

I feel personally attacked

Everyone did except from Ion "Meaningfulchoice" Hazzikostas

Tbh i'm getting into the savages this week

But FF does feel a lot restricting at the raids

Very choreographed fights. Which isn't a bad thing
But there's no immunes/Cheeses anything. Everything is clinical and working as intended. It might sound a bit cringe but it's always nice to have all those weird interactions. I haven't seen anyhting like that yet

I'm talking about degenerate stuff

Arranging cds to power through portions of the fight

Kt is that taken at it's maximum if you followed the race

Imagine that but on progf

[stable basin]

some speedrun killtimes basically remove your chance at a great parse

[sweet python]

Pog

[stable basin]

tbf he's not really saving his cds, there's nothing to use them on before that

I love the reaction of "hey, we got the enigma codex!"
"No, Sindalf is just a dark knight lmao"

[sweet python]

To rephrase my point. From what i've seen players have a lot less agency in fights.

Do dps even have immunes? Idk

Yea like that's one. Say you get a bad overlap where you have run to 1 corner and the dude also has a wiping circle around him

You just throw him in the opposite corner pop an immune and don't think about it

[stable basin]

I haven't done WoW raiding but I see the less agency thing

I know XIV is much less random and has much less in the way of CC/utility

[sweet python]

You have more tools to deal with mechanics

[stable basin]

Utility in XIV basically just means damage, but your teammates get it instead of you

[sweet python]

But that also means you deal with a lot of bullshit overlaps because some of them are designed around that agency

Truee

[stable basin]

From speedrunning a fight with really weird phasing we've definitely all had to adapt but at the same time we're all trying to hit pre-arranged burst windows

[sweet python]

The other thing is like knockback immunities didn't work on knockbacks in some fights

Or you can't charge mid-knock

That killed me on ermm Leviathan

[stable basin]

You should be able to plunge cancel pretty much any knockback

unless the boss is gone ofc

[sweet python]

i couldn't cast while knocked back

It locked me out

[stable basin]

yeah, can't cast while moving

[sweet python]

Intervene?

[stable basin]

and getting yeeted counts

I know one of the knockbacks on levi I stopped with tbn and my tbn always broke like the instant it happened but I was actually 100% safe because that was just an auto that had been loaded into his queue

[sweet python]

tbn?

[stable basin]

DRK skill, 25% hp shield on target that basically refunds its cost if it breaks

[sweet python]

Ah yes the FF Amz

So if you buble you bypass everything?

Oof

Immunity should mean immunity change my mind

Oh trust me i know snapshotting

We had that in mop[

Server ticks is a bit annoying i feel

Also you got a really bad version of snapshotting

Snapshotting in mop was art

You could game the system to line up procs

And unleash casts with everything aligned

[stable basin]

are you talking about like snapshotting buffs or snapshotting on incoming aoes

[sweet python]

Snapshotting buffs

I know about aoe that they snapshot

Ohhhhhh

[stable basin]

cuz like I said I never played WoW but diablo 3 has a lot of buff snapshotting

[sweet python]

Yea it's the same thing

There used to be a meme called the naked warlock

[stable basin]

yeah in xiv it's mostly just use dot before buff runs out

[sweet python]

Yea that's snapshotting

[stable basin]

back in sb brd played with snapshotting a lot

literally iron jaws at the start of trick and then the end of trick

They don't do it 10 seconds apart any more tho

also you don't even get benefit from your battle voice 🤔

Raging strikes prolly

[sweet python]

I liked bard leveled as one till i rerolled to pala

And then straight up skipped

[stable basin]

at any rate xiv animations not being necessarily synced with the damage can be trippy for some people

also looks extremely dumb sometimes

https://gfycat.com/tightdaringcockatoo

I think I had party effects on full at the time and turned them back to limited

cuz I recorded some stuff and people were like where's the boss

[sweet python]

It's 100% trippy and BS at times

I'm engineered to min-max positioning to the edge of hitboxes and stuff at this point

The amount of times i've gotten hit

Is too damn high

[stable basin]

thankfully hitboxes are almost always incredibly precise in XIV

it's just when they go off that's iffy

[sweet python]

Yeap

It's part of the learning process tho

[stable basin]

https://gfycat.com/youngsmoothhochstettersfrog

[sweet python]

Also the UI i've definitely been spoiled by addons

There's some stuff that i just wanna be able to fix

[stable basin]

quicklauncher plugins can do some stuff

not nearly as powerful as wow addons tho

it's fine

you won't have to

The line drawn for third-party program stuff on this server is direct links to (but not discussion of) Alexander

incidentally the red castbar in that second gif I posted is from an addon

bro idk how nin players lived their life before precise countdown

trying to huton at 11.5s with the default countdown

[drowsy agate]

man I just count to 3 in my head

i do the same thing for RDM and 14 seconds but that's "easier"

tbh i probably should look into getting a tick tracker for BLM

[stable basin]

the flytext appearing is actually accurate afaik

but like, 15 seconds is the instant the 15 seconds text appears and not when it starts shrinking or whatever

also if the countdown is started when some other message wants to appear on your screen the countdown will wait its turn

[drowsy agate]

yeah that's some bullshit

our tank sometimes waits for shit to stop covering the countdown

particularly when we wipe because of jagd dolls

[drowsy agate]

yeah but the specific error that floods your chat when wiping to dolls is embarassing

too much lumineous aetheroplasm whatever

when it hits 8 people, rip your chat

yeah you don't usually wipe because of exhaust

ayy lmao

[stable basin]

yall need to keep your pad boner in your pants

It's actually very liberating to just do rdm melee combo while plumes are out

[stable basin]

we let healers aoe cuz it's the lowest potency loss

and throw in no falloff stuff like contre

[misty topaz]

hey for the yorha apocalypse weekly quests i just did the to catch an automotan quest isnt there another quest i should have afterwards?

[frank quiver]

I do not. I also just count to three, but sometimes, I just pop it at 10s. It’s generally enough for Sharpcast CD to refresh on time, since your opener goes through Manafont anyways.

[stable basin]

for ilvl 520, roughly, how many DH is fine?
not sure how many it is at least
for DRK

[errant sinew]

how hard is DR savage nowadays?

[quick verge]

still hard mechanically

"hard" is up to the player's interpretation

[stable basin]

Dps checks should be a bit more lenient with all the new spells and whatnot

And you can have less than 48 people now
You still have to do mechanics though

[low stratus]

Any1 here knows a good place to check for people who want to beat synced raids like T9 CoB outside PF? I have been trying this boss so many times over a week now and I can't find a group willing to fight the boss until it's beaten.

not sure if this is the right place to ask

[thorn light]

You can have less than 48? It scales down?

[nova socket]

yeh

[stable basin]

Minimum 24

Technically less if people leave

[crisp frigate]

anyone tryna grind out the lvl 50 fates for the memories of the dying?

[flat kelp]

Anyone on the crystal DC want to run e6s? I haven't been able to find a group over the past week.

[stable basin]

@wanton ocean mark spoilers plz

[finite plank]

it's #endgame-lounge

also, not really a #endgame-lounge statement

[dusk sapphire]

Im just gonna err on the safe side and ping @sweet blade, delet, this is both a spoiler and wrong channel 😂

Next time, use #archived-lore-spoilers for that kind of things boi

[regal dragon]

Sorry dad

[tired brook]

Just finished E6 - E11… planning on E12 tonight

Going in blind and some of those mechanics are confusing as all hell lol

[subtle bone]

hows it blind if you saw some of the mechs already

good luck tho :p

[tired brook]

I meant like while I was doing them

Haven’t seen E12 at all

That mechanic with the plants that like bind to you in one of the later fights

Super confusing

[drowsy agate]

that's e9, the savage equivalent is even more tricky

[warped viper]

Does treasure maps (portals including) work when playing with a "wanderer" from another server?

[lyric summit]

yes

[drowsy agate]

just to be clear

https://youtu.be/3JIF5q3K4rs

this works fine for synced levi EX too yeah?

running an FC event and just want to be sure

[sinful brook]

Its the exact same fight

Though you might push timings really hard because ilvl

[drowsy agate]

yeah we're syncing the ARR EX version of it so our new players can give it a shot

[sinful brook]

Its possible to push hard enough spumes come out before caster add

Had it happen in unreal

So just be wary timings of mechanics might go wonky

[drowsy agate]

will probably be slightly more annoying too since synced 50 means we're missing half our abilities

[still inlet]

That's the main benefit to unreal. You can play with your regular rotation. Some jobs get seriously gutted going back to ARR level rotations

Channy's right though just be careful with pushes and timings

[sinful brook]

Had a couple of rough titan ones before too where we pushed him do hard he gaoled and then jumped

And the dps who didn't drop on our marker but right on the edge

[kind solstice]

is it ok to talk ShB 5.0 ending here without using spoiler

[subtle bone]

no

[main fractal]

why is VI materia better then VII

[steady pebble]

7s are for overmelding

[kind solstice]

ah ok I'll head over to lore

[mystic plaza]

watching xeno roast the unedited version of the article is the best

[agile notch]

I'd like to find a group to run savage stuff with. Particularly Anamorphosis because I wanna augment the ever loving h-e-double hockey sticks outta my cryptlurker stuff. I'm probably gonna have to watch a video thrice more because I'm very bad at doing homework.

[frank quiver]

#recruitment-crystal or https://discord.gg/mMVbkZx

[agile notch]

So many bots

[drowsy agate]

you can swear on the internet dude

also you can augment the shit out of all your cryptlurker gear without doing savage nowadays anyway

all the augment materials can be obtained through hunt train nut sacks or nier raid tokens

[agile notch]

Nutsacks take forever to get.

Guess it's time to get Nier those dwarves.

I also wanna run Savage though.

[drowsy agate]

the relic weapon is also bis now

[agile notch]

What's the point of getting world ending gear if not to fight bosses?

[drowsy agate]

so the only reason to clear e12s is for mount and chest piece now

lol

and e11s for legs

you can get like 99% as powerful as bis by just doing e9s and e10s now

that's fun to think about

[agile notch]

Whats bis?

[drowsy agate]

best in slot

[agile notch]

Ah

[drowsy agate]

9 drops accessories and belt

[agile notch]

I don't know. I wanna do stuff.

[drowsy agate]

10 drops helm, feet, gloves

[agile notch]

Belts are gonna be obsolete soon.

[drowsy agate]

so between those 2 bosses you'd be able to get very close to bis

but yeah anyway hop into party finder

you don't have to find a static first

[agile notch]

I also want friends.

[drowsy agate]

if you see an e9s prog party, hop in and get your feet wet

ah, can't help you much there lol

I'd hop into PF with you if it was aether

[agile notch]

Aether was full when I made a character. So I got on Crystal and was told after I already capped multiple jobs that Crystal is butt for running content.

[drowsy agate]

there's definitely less focus on raiding in crystal than on aether or primal

but honestly, this late into the tier, aether and primal aren't all that interested either

[agile notch]

[drowsy agate]

only 4 e9s parties right now

[agile notch]

Watching Bosch atm, but will be on again tomorrow after work.

Finish my resistance weapon, and I guess try and run Umbra.

Or start the Nier Raids.

[drowsy agate]

nier raids are considered casual content

so you can go into that blind and bumble your way through without needing a guide

[agile notch]

I never started cause I wanted to finish Nier and stuff first.

But

[drowsy agate]

but uh, definitely check out a video before starting e9s

[agile notch]

Nier Replicant is a million hours

And all the new stuff in it is at the very end

And I got burnt out on it.

And I don't think it's very great.

[drowsy agate]

e9s has been soft-powercrept by access to gear and hard-powercrept by echo now

i think a lot of parties can clear it before even seeing the brambles mechanic the 2nd time

[agile notch]

https://tenor.com/view/laronce-ronce-gif-18807521

[sinful brook]

its not even like you can't clear on crystal too

its even arguable whether the quality of aether pf was any good

[stable basin]

aether has the worst pf don't @ me

[drowsy agate]

probably true

[rich thunder]

in other mmos the "raiding server" always had the worst players on average

you are just missing out on being able to pug stuff

[sinful brook]

Well.... I wouldn't count that as fact here due to how cross world instancing works, the line that blurs raiding server from not raiding server. You can pug just fine

[rich thunder]

oh i meant datacenter

[stable basin]

Crystal is

Sort of okay?

I managed to clear 5-8 pretty late into the tier, and i had a fairly smooth run of 9-12 in pf

It does take a bit for pfs to fill though

But if you can find people to run content with you it's a bit easier

[leaden burrow]

on a scale of 1 to suffering
how bad is E12s ?
Im wanting chest for glamour purposes u.u

[drowsy agate]

do you have prior savage experience

[leaden burrow]

yes, just not for shadowbringers
i played up til stormblood
then stopped playing for an expansion

[drowsy agate]

we have 15% echo on the current tier now

so it's significantly easier than it was a few months ago

it has two phases, p1 being a lot harder than p2

hardest parts of p1 are usually shiva phase and lions

you're just crapshooting PF and hoping randoms can handle those mechanics right

p2 mechanics are super complex if you have no idea what you're doing

but they're stupid easy if you look at a guide

[leaden burrow]

perfect
thats what i like to hear XD

[drowsy agate]

yeah, just watch joonbob's guide on the fight

[leaden burrow]

thankyou ^_^

[drowsy agate]

all the relativities (major mechanic in phase 2) look hard

but with a guide that just tells you where to stand

it's very easy

[agile notch]

Prismatic in E11S seems like the most simple thing in the world. Everything else in the fight hurts my head trying to memorize it.

[drowsy agate]

it just takes practice, really

e11s is probably mechanically the easiest fight this tier

it used to be hard because everything did a fuckload of damage

but with 15% echo that's largely mitigated

DPS check was also pretty rough with early gear and no echo but that's also mitigated

[agile notch]

It's just a lot to keep in my head, red, blue, yellow, tanks stand here, the cross beams won't hit here, powder mark

I'm bad at homework.

[drowsy agate]

yeah it's all practice

blue (doublewide) is easy if you know exactly how wide the slash is

it's as wide as the middle circle on the platform, knowing that makes it easier to greed

yellow is also pretty easy, it's just wait and then move

we call it flashbang

[tired brook]

I’m about to try out all the E#S fights

Finally finished E12 last night so, on to the Savages

[subtle bone]

have fun bro :)

[opaque briar]

ive been trying out some savage tier stuff, I want to nab the helmet from eden furor but party finders been painfully slow, ive only gotten like 3 completions in like two weeks. Are there any LFGs or raiding communities out there I could join? I'm newish to harder content so I dont know the culture and connections around it yet

[drowsy agate]

e6s isn't very commonly done anymore

since it's last tier's content

i assume you want the helm for chasing glam

[opaque briar]

definitely, it looks awesome

[tired brook]

Question… what’s the best thing to do with my old gear

Besides give it to a retainer

Like, do I sell it or what

Or give it to Doman Enclave lol

[quick verge]

glamour
desynth

[tired brook]

Hmm… I can’t desynth since I haven’t leveled my crafters

[supple sail]

Trade for company seals if it’s not crafted gear

And not from the most recent patch

[rough moth]

Is there any good up to date list for daily/weekly checklist? Like everything? Im brand new almost at endgame and just wanna be prepared

[empty vault]

as for ucob and uwu, do you need to get the bis gear for those fights or can you do em without, even though ofc they are effective for the fight

got some friends that wanna try a static uwu but couple of em are too lazy to farm the gear for it and just wondering if they could go in with the exharch 510 set they have.

[dull radish]

in general the dps checks are very lax for old ultimate fights, so min-maxing gear has pretty low value. Going in with synced gear is beyond sufficient for clearing the fights

[serene lotus]

Dying repeatedly is much more of a hurdle than bis gear

[dull radish]

the only thing is like, you probably want a playable sps when synced for BLM, if that's a job that someone is playing. Other than that it's pretty whatever

[empty vault]

i see

i do know that they are easier with dps check. but just didn’t know if people would still require you to get the bis gear for em

i guess were fine to go then

[dull radish]

even with haphazard synced gear with zero attention paid towards optimizing it, you generally will blaze past dps checks without any problem, as long as people generally know what they're doing rotationally for their jobs. Using whatever gear synced is more than fine enough. Bonus points if you have shb relic since it's very strong synced

[empty vault]

i uh

im pretty sure im the only one with a shb relic

they don’t wanna farm for it since EW is near

lmao

[dull radish]

even without shb relic you just kinda blaze through dps checks without issue

they're very much more mechanics checks than anything

[rancid holly]

For those of you with larger groups of friends playing together, how do you deal with only have a 8man raid cap?

[nova socket]

Where do I get friends?

[supple sail]

Never considered it could be a problem

Just raid in multiple groups

[summer light]

Is e11s bleed dmg, based off the dmg you take from the raidwide?

[quick verge]

no

the bleed ticks do maximum damage if there’s no mitigation applied

the bleed has its damage reduced if mitigation is used during the burnished cast (addle, reprisal, sacred soil, any % mitigation tools)

[errant sinew]

anyone know if evasion works on duels in bozja?

[quick verge]

yes

[meager walrus]

I'll be doing a delubrum savage pug run tonight and it's my first time progging it. Can you guys recommend a dummies guide for me to check out? There's a lot of information and I don't want to miss anything.

[fossil oracle]

Question regarding end game. I'm coming over from end game in WoW, higher tier raider. How does one manage to make their way into higher free companies.

Are logs just as important in FFXIV, are you excited to have multiple jobs for the same role etc. Trying to figure out what I don't know.

[flat whale]

free companies are usually more social, people form “statics” to clear end game stuff. you can look at the recruitment reddit or on discord for like-minded groups

[sinful brook]

Logs do matter to an extent, but there's a lot more to static recruitment than just logs.

And it depends on what sort of group you're trying to get into

[somber crest]

My goal in this game is to clear the edens savage raids but because of school and other activities making the time commitment required by most statics is not possible for me. How doable is it using things like party finder?

[quick verge]

very doable

many people clear entire tiers through exclusive use of party finder

[somber crest]

How would u recommend i learn them and get into raiding overall as someone who has no experiance w/ it in ff14? I dont want to join a group and be dead weight.

[quick verge]

watch/read guides

and create/join a practice PF for the fights

[somber crest]

Got it, do u think its worth learning and clearing older raids before doing edens promise?

[quick verge]

no

it'd take too long to find people to clear old savages

and you don't really need experience from previous tiers to do the current one

1st floor starts relatively easy, and gets progressively harder until the 4th floor

[somber crest]

Thanks for answering my questions. I think i will use pugs for now but eventually rethink finding a static because i dont have any friends to play this game with and that might be a good way to find some.

[thick needle]

Should I buy exarch or save revelations

[wet heath]

Up to and including eden 11 savage its pretty doable to pug these and clear em

But im finding 12S to be a significant time investment

Itll be done eventually but its a long fight and you can spend a long time progging the same thing over and over cuz groups are a tossup

[sinful brook]

You canclear all of the tier in pf

Its not impossible currently too

[wet heath]

Yeah its just a matter of if u think the time investment is worth it

[sinful brook]

Its roughly the same time investment as the start of the tier

[wet heath]

Id rather have a static for 12S rn cuz all i can get is line lion progs over and over

[sinful brook]

And can be on par with weaker groups

[wet heath]

Even if i join an early p2 group its just line lions again lol

[sinful brook]

Thats how it be

Its not like that necessarily changes just because you have a static

[wet heath]

Im like 80% certain that id be progging farther if i had a stable group and not have to start from scratch over and over

[sinful brook]

You're assuming a lot about your theoretical group

[wet heath]

I agree with u that eventually i can clear this but i think pugging isnt preferable on this fight lol

[sinful brook]

Even the best of groups have reverse prog days

[wet heath]

Yeah well pf groups be like "early p2 prog just teaching a couple friends"

Who were the friends, you ask?

Both healers

We couldnt survive shiva and they started getting irritated in discord lol

I ended up saying i was lagging n left

[sinful brook]

This isn't like it doesn't happen in organised groups too

[wet heath]

All im sayin is that i suspect that a well selected static is likely the more efficient choice

[sinful brook]

I understand your frustrations and yes a static would probably be better but its still a luck of the draw

Can have some absolute apes join your group and still be problematic

[stable basin]

statics are consistent and if they're bad then they're consistently bad

if you don't vet all your applicants it's like putting up a pf and just gluing yourself to the first 7 people to join

[wet heath]

But what if i put "good players only" in my static description. What then, huh?

[sinful brook]

Lmao then you get the narcissistic single digit greys 😏

[wet heath]

[silver portal]

i tried out NA PFs after doing JP pts my whole raiding life and it's insane lmao...

granted JP strats are a bit more "safe" especially for e12s

[wet heath]

Do they do bilibili lions?

I have managed to pass bili lions at least 4 times but line lions ive attempted 10x as many times and literally zero successes

What other differences do you notice

[silver portal]

it's pretty similar if not the same to bili cross lions.

basically alllll of the JP strats for this tier has been akito

e9s is pretty much the same except for throwing the brambles in the outside edges NSEW and intercardinals

e10s is pretty much the same, since void gate 2 is also a jp strat anyway

e11s, for sundered sky we reverse the fire + light tether resolution; so the fire group is outside and the light-tether is in the inner circle.

e12s pt 2 from what I noticed is pretty much similar

but the "quality" of the pfs have been...what have been shocking to me lol.

i've been told and i can see that:
NA = Really good DPS / Sucks at mechanics and uses dangerous mechanics.
JP = Consecutive and safe clears / DPS not great, safe mechs.

[stable basin]

line lions is bili bili except made by someone who hates casters

[silver portal]

it just seems too inefficient and idk why y'all still do it on pugs at this point in the tier.

[wet heath]

Supposedly line lions has more room for error on cleaving people

Coulda fooled me.

[stable basin]

NA falls hard into second option bias

[wet heath]

Well it probably does, but people get soooooo much more confused by it, its insane

Bili lions is so much more intuitive. Just draw two X

[stable basin]

It's like
"Hey, let's do A"
Everyone does A
"Akshully, B is far superior in one aspect"
Everyone switches to B
"Hey I've noticed that B is actually way worse in multiple ways"
Everyone continues to do B

[silver portal]

l o l in JP we just follow a macro and that's it.

[wet heath]

I dont even notice significant uptime or positional advantage in line lions

[silver portal]

becomes totally brainless

[wet heath]

One thing i kinda like and dislike about NA is strats like blue uptime on e11s, people have a real hardon for that

But when it works ita great

[stable basin]

Line is supposed to be harder for the melee to accidentally steal the second big lion bait

[silver portal]

ah yeah

[stable basin]

Which isn't really an issue with the adjusted markers

[silver portal]

in jp for 11s uptime the melee will do it if they're confident

and the healers/ranged will run and meet them halfway if it's fire

[stable basin]

Cuz people interpreted the first set of markers for bili wrong

[wet heath]

Im gonna make a pf and start always doing bili tbh

[stable basin]

Blue uptime is like

[wet heath]

Line lions has been the death of a dozen groups for me

[stable basin]

I didn't realize there was even a name for it?

Like it never actually crossed my mind that people would intentionally take downtime

Uptime is the default method of doing it and downtime is how you adjust if the boss doesn't let you

[wet heath]

Yeee its one of those strats that sees a lot of messups is all

And its higher risk than is particularly needed

[stable basin]

idk how people mess up uptime

you literally sit there doing nothing

I died way more times running off the edge of the arena for downtime than I ever got clipped doing uptime

[wet heath]

Ive run off the stage during phaser on e9s a few times

[silver portal]

i main sch so i just do out since it's what i'm used to

[wet heath]

Nobody will agree with me but i kinda wish that in e9s during phaser she gave the wall shes on some safety bumpers like when a beginner goes bowling

Im a lemming at heart and i love to walk off during that

[frank quiver]

Is NA DPS supposed to be better? I don’t play on JP so I can’t compare, but it feels like people greed and still suck at dishing damage.

[dense bison]

for step 7 in the ShB relic the one time step where i need to collect 30 copies of 6 different items, do i need to do all 3 quests if i'm only going for 1 weapon?

i'm getting conflicting information from youtubers

[sinful brook]

no

[sinful brook]

yes you need to complete all 3 quests because they're one time only quests

[dense bison]

oh god this is gonna take a while...

[vernal breach]

Say wat does ds titan mean? Like in all the comments on e12s

[stable basin]

Junction Titan mechanic

[sinful brook]

ds titan refers to the strategy used to determine titan positions based on which marker you got

named after the guy Dark Shadow

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/537882345252847618/793666640096264213/unknown.png

its this orientation specifically

with dps leaning west side

and tanks/healers leaning east

its also a flip of dwayne titan

where dwayne is t/h w dps e

[vernal breach]

hmm i see
how did that strategy come abotu anyway
like when i see the marker floating above my head.. it does not indicate to me.. like any sort of direction or like fuckingh anything

[sinful brook]

its based on how teh markers need to be resolved

oranges need to be stacked

yellows by themself

blues with no one adjacent

[vernal breach]

oooh

[sinful brook]

so theres technically more than one possible orientation

[vernal breach]

i see

[sinful brook]

https://saltedxiv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/titan-junction-jojo-proof-ultra-hd-rtx.png
example assymmetric titan

or whatever this is
https://saltedxiv.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/light-titan.png

[vernal breach]

well, erm, they look awful but if it wo5rks it works i guess

[sinful brook]

🤷‍♂️

they do work

[stable basin]

ds specifically takes existing strats and flips them so he can put his name on them

[sinful brook]

its funny because its true

[silver portal]

Definitely. I think when NA does execute the uptime strats well then it really shows.

JP plays very carefully in normal PUGs.

I also feel like distinctly most NA players (especially DPS) are super hardcore on trying to be at the top of the list.

[vernal breach]

i just want to be on top of the other tank

[vernal breach]

a smole thing i never noticed with e12s is like... why do we tank swap?
the 2 TBs near the beginning, i kinda just invuln it

so hypothetically.. if i didnt invuln it, what happens? :l

my guess is that its like e9s where if i invuln it, the swap doesnt have to happen but if i dont... tankswap

[silver portal]

tankswap

that:s what happens in jp sometimes

they'll specify before the pull starts which they're planning

mostly just info for us healers

[vernal breach]

and if i invuln, the tank swap doesnt happen(?)

or rather doesnt need to

[silver portal]

doesn't need to

if the enmity is all good

and it doesn't cleave a dps or something lmao

[vernal breach]

.....cleave? iirc the TB is single target

[silver portal]

oh yeah that's what i meant

i guess the...tb resembles like a cleaving...motion?

lmao

[vernal breach]

i rememebr in e10s...
the TBs LOOK like it would be a cleave

but naw bro

its magically single target too

[silver portal]

yeah no it's 100% a single target