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[mystic oxide]

iiiiiiinteresting

[foggy prairie]

Do the new siege weapons only drop on S?

[finite tree]

So it’s been over 24hrs… ||what did y’all name your journal?||

[austere robin]

Feybles of a Fiend

[echo sail]

||Book||

[finite tree]

I seriously considered it…

[foggy prairie]

||Codexicle||

[finite tree]

Valid

[coarse tide]

||chronicles of carnage||, so that I may consult my coc when in doubt

[little grove]

I discovered something incredible

The update notes say the following about “Ode to the Ruined Towers”:

Only a sagely scholar, a pensive sort, could decipher what purpose this tower once served. Perhaps you ought don your cloak...

pensive set?

What would happen if you put on your pensive outfit and went there?

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shock-shocking-shocked-face-cat-gif-20170343

One wonders what other secrets may be unveiled to its wearer...

Pensive's Cloak

[fallen trail]

i hope so
hope its not jsut some flavor text about Orlick TwT

[little grove]

no no no back to fenn you go

[viral prism]

have you tried it?

[little grove]

I will look

[jaunty heron]

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[viral prism]

so does this mean he is confirmed Jotar related?

or does this just mean he was alive during Jotar?

because he is the king of curlail at one point right?

the mendicant king of curlail

so was he already a pile of goop?

can't be because the Ode weren't there with their Ichor yet

so were Mendicants something else before they turned corrupted with Ichor from the Ode?

the mendicant king is weird guys

[austere robin]

mendicant is soulframes version of undead

ichor gets quirky after hours when mixed with dead beings

[viral prism]

so he had another form before being corrupted with Ichor

cause he was already undead when he ruled

so are the Fallen Jotars in the crypts also mendicants?

no they have a different Foe Icon

[austere robin]

the ghosts knights? no

[viral prism]

mendicant Icon

but it has Ichor on it

so the mendicants are the undead ichor corrupted?

[austere robin]

yup

[viral prism]

but why was he already called mendicant king before the Ode?

strange

wait no

[austere robin]

he may have had a different name but after the ode invasion and the subsequent ichor infections became the ruler of all mendicant

[viral prism]

i am wrong

the Icon for the mendicants is just the icon for a Waste Creature

the Ichorous Wardogs have them as well

so that Icon doesn't necessarily mean Mendicant, so Mendicant are just a name for the undead

also what is happening with the tongue DE 😭

[wheat galleon]

Not technically "undead" as they're Ode sludge gained sentience. (If you kill one with burning and the body stays, it turns into an Ode knight? So does that mean that the Ode sludge is Ode DNA infused? XD)

[viral prism]

Ode Knights?

[wheat galleon]

Mofo transformed in death

[austere robin]

yeah even wazzard says himself “All will be Mendicant in time” or something along those lines

not to mention the mendy knights saying “Join Us”

[viral prism]

either Fort Curlail has to have a redcon or the term Mendicant is just something loosely used for an undead creature that came alive in a weird way

[wheat galleon]

Well mendicants are like religious people that preach and don't own anything and get food and housing from the people they preach to. Wonder how DE is going to tie that into SF

[rough meteor]

Does naming Orlick's book have any effects?

[viral prism]

no it just changes the name of your journal

[pulsar orchid]

The mendicant are one of multiple types of undeath in the Soulframe universe

you also have general spirits like the ones in crypts, and you also have the mockeries

[pulsar orchid]

Yeah this is it basically

mendicants are like the myths and legends of midrath that have lain latent in its soil, then roused into undeath due to the corrupting nature of the ichor which gives them form

[austere robin]

yeah mendicant is just the byproduct of ichor mixing with already dead beings

(tho Reaper is a outlier in this since you can take the Bellmet off via a smite and they shrink back to an ode dog)

[pulsar orchid]

That's right, they're part of the mendicant faction - suggesting that it may have died and been brought back into undeath by the ichor, and that's why it joins the mendicant

[viral prism]

but when you slay them they turn into normal dogs again so they are not dead

[pulsar orchid]

they turn normal? I thought they just lose the helm?

[viral prism]

and for some reason the shrimps (Baliqs) are countes as pure Ode'n enemies?

[pulsar orchid]

don't they keep all the corruption / melted feet etc?

[viral prism]

i remember they alwatys just run away like the normal Ode'n Wardogs?

[pulsar orchid]

yeah they run away but their body doesn't change right

[pulsar orchid]

yeah this one has always confused me a little, I wanna know the actual lore about the baliq, were they brought from offworld like the rovgot wyrms or did the ode domesticate them with the lanterns or something!

[viral prism]

oh i should check that out then

[austere robin]

i may be wrong, id have to gamble on finding Reaper in the field of non-boss Oden Wardogs

[viral prism]

they are just natural animals in Alca

they are called Lanternbugs when they hatch normally and when they hatch in corrupted grounds they are turned into Baliq

[viral prism]

wait it's just speculation that they are native to Alca

[austere robin]

i know for sure that the non-boss corrupted wardogs do revert back to normal dogs

[pulsar orchid]

Oooh nice I hadn't read this one yet, cool to know about lanternbugs

[pulsar orchid]

yeah could be either ig hahah

[austere robin]

also drackore; i think theres an unneccessary Ode’n

[viral prism]

the extremely Ode'n Ode'n Wardog

[pulsar orchid]

ty! A lot of people have been editing the wiki recently and I haven't had time to review/edit their changes, slowly catching up lol

it's awesome that people are helping though, I don't mind a few typos if they're trying to catch all this new lore and names etc

[rich ingot]

technically the lore seems to indicate the Mendicant predate the ichor, but seized on it as a power source to revive their fallen bodies/as a source of magick, and were corrupted by it

[austere robin]

ah now that i went back to the page, one leads to the ode wiki entry with the oden wardog leading to the wardog entry, so it makes sense but still funky regardless lol

[jovial oracle]

Speaking of the wardogs, I'd love if you could charm them post-helmet removal, the way you do other animals

[austere robin]

iirc DE did say that the doggos you clease/free from the ode would have a chance for one to show up in the login screen chilling with you

but yeah would be cool to have them charmable

[mystic spire]

Would have to try and look closer but at the very least they srhink back to normal size

[echo topaz]

i curse the Ode with DEATH BY A THOUSAND FLOPPETS after what they've done all over Midrath lmao

the wardogs are the biggest offender lol

[lofty crest]

that's one way to entirely slaughter three bosses at once...

[olive kernel]

For those complaining about faction rep.... xd

[willow geode]

(50)

[olive kernel]

yes, I was unfortunately scammed out of my 18 quintillion :(

[willow geode]

https://tenor.com/view/scarface-push-it-to-the-limit-print-money-money-gif-16447349582844155176

ffs it really is 18 Quintillion 🤣 I hadn't actually looked at the number. Why such a specific figure I wonder?

[fossil fiber]

what the

[fluid panther]

64 bit unsigned integer

[fossil fiber]

at least they bumped the types from 32 to 64, yay DE! :D

[olive kernel]

yep

2x the max signed integer a 64 bit system can handle lmao

[fossil fiber]

btw, how? 👀

[olive kernel]

Just happened on pickup in the new wyrm dungeon, beats me

[fossil fiber]

huh

I'd check on a faction rep, to see if you can exchange all those into rank lol

[olive kernel]

I had the max of 50 but it has since broken the cap

[fossil fiber]

👀

ppl have been reporting going over the cap, which is hilarious

[olive kernel]

Imma hold off using any in case it sets off any red flags xd

[fossil fiber]

really shouldn't, and it will likely be reset to cap once DE is back in office tomorrow

[olive kernel]

I would imagine so

[halcyon cobalt]

how could you possibly do this?! 😭

[olive kernel]

I got DE Steve on speed dial 😉

[jovial mica]

Is it possible yet to get this Location? (while wearing the pensive gear i suppose?)

I've done the dungeon while wearing the gear but no differences, i've looked around but i don't get any "mote" prompts

[olive kernel]

Ive had one mote prompt when inside the dungeon but no idea what caused it sorry

[finite tree]

I believe the motes and locations are currently bugged. Tested it last night on an alt account that didn’t have all names unlocked and couldn’t get motes or locations to spawn.

[jovial mica]

Bugged? Thats odd, the skytower dungeon doesn't seems bugged in the slightests /s

But good to know, i'll try a bit longer but won't get my hopes up

[paper current]

Glowing handle on a chain in Rovgot, can't reach it

[olive kernel]

jump off that spike on the right of ur screenshot

[tender thicket]

So I just finished the Orlick mini quest, and that revelation at the end of it is… truly an Australia moment

[paper current]

are there more? nothing happened

[olive kernel]

one per room (in some rooms), they'll pull an object out of the dirt on a chain, sometimes its nothing other times a chest

[paper current]

thank you 😄

[frigid rivet]

do we know if the journal title matters?

[worldly jewel]

not afaik

[finite tree]

It probably matters as much as ||the New War choice for Lotus|| in WF matters—only to the person who chose it.

[worldly jewel]

Yeh

[dim coral]

i can finally stop doing marathons on the coast for shipwrecks now

there's also a new swamp hut in birdie's bog that i'm sure wasn't there before, with a red diamond

[sonic sequoia]

If you mean the elevated one during the quest, it was there before, otherwise, screenshot?

[quick bobcat]

Can you explain that for those of us who don't get the reference?

[next turret]

Does the journal name i pick with Orlick matter?

[quick bobcat]

So far, you can't change it.

[next turret]

What purpose does it serve?

[quick bobcat]

It renames your Journal.

It would be cool if they added something in where it would also give your envoy the title. Odeslayer has a nice ring to it...

[tender thicket]

Spider magic. That is all

Go watch moreParz on youtube

[quick bobcat]

I'd need more context to trust anything on youtube with only "spider magic" to go on. Spiders belong in the woodchipper, in-game and IRL.

[tender thicket]

Well Australia is full of em

[dim coral]

well i haven't done this sidequest before yet

[paper current]

wheres that?

[mortal girder]

Birdie's Bog

i found it the other day

[quick bobcat]

That was added with the new Birdie's Bog quest.

or mini-quest.

Mine had a spare door floating off to the side by the branch you climb to go in.

[paper current]

how do you get the quest?

[quick bobcat]

Nearby world tree.

[jaunty heron]

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[sonic sequoia]

Yeah, that building was there before: #gameplay-discussion message

[halcyon cobalt]

The fragment for Mestra's pants aren't dropping. Anyone else having this issue?

[wheat galleon]

It's just RNG, unfortunately. I did like 10 duels, got nothing. Next two I got helm and pants, then had to do another 10 and only got 1 more helm. Then did another 4 and got the chest and two more pants.

[vapid gazelle]

I cannot seem to find the entrance to the new dungeon

[wheat galleon]

It's in the southeast corrupted zone, in the side of the fallen tower

[vapid gazelle]

Ok just there or is there an entrance at sky tower in the north

[wheat galleon]

No, only southeast

[vapid gazelle]

@wheat galleon ok tyvm

[halcyon cobalt]

I just wish the space between shipwrecks wasn't so far apart. Without Wevet Seeds, farming the armor set is a pain

[wheat galleon]

Yeah, it is haha. But that's just the current state of all content in game. Will be drastically improved once we have mounts.

[halcyon cobalt]

i JUST got the tuvalkane "i'd be keen to see it whole" line after finishing my most recent Duelo (not the quest, the fight) and I check Tuvalkane and can't find ANYTHING! can't wait for the next hotfix.

[wheat galleon]

Dupe of a Meastra piece you already have?

[halcyon cobalt]

it couldn't be, since I didn't see any dupes in the foundry. (I have show crafted on)

checked my inventory, too. no dupes.

[wheat galleon]

Bug then. Normally missed gear falls through floor but since duels give it straight to you, and you got the Tuvalkane voiceline, definitely an internal issue. Try relogging, if not fixed, make sure to post it in bug tracking.

[loud spoke]

anybody got a map or something for all possible duel spawn points?

[oak gazelle]

There's a thread in q and a with the locations

[viral prism]

Have you made any armor pieces yet?

Armor fragment that are already build don’t show anymore in the forge

But it will make the sound again that you can make one again

[strange prawn]

are there plans for player controlled boats in the future?

[quiet junco]

No details but other ways of traversal are planned, considering the new Fable ends with us being tied to a ghost ship I would say it's a safe bet

[sonic sequoia]

Here's hoping for Sailjack too. 🤞

[sonic sequoia]

I'm afraid it is simply cursed RNG, as usual.

[halcyon cobalt]

They do show if you have "show crafted" turned on in the little boxes on Tuvalkane's interface

[halcyon cobalt]

I do hope we get "Sailjack" as part of a way to travel to the other Alca Islands.

[sonic sequoia]

Only weapons are showing up to me.

[halcyon cobalt]

it appears I am slow, you are correct now that i remember

[viral prism]

So you have nothing crafted yet from duelo?

[halcyon cobalt]

if you look at the message above your reply, i have realized that the “already crafted” option does not exist for armors. I have 2 of the 3 pieces of Mestra Carmo’s armor set. I’m still farming Gossamer Quartz and Sappheline for the weapon and the pact.

[viral prism]

Ah Alr I didn’t understand cause you didn’t say if you had crafted something already. Didn’t know that so I was confused

I read the above message

[jaunty heron]

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[long briar]

so many hijacked accounts...

[austere robin]

its unfortunate, esp when a vast majority are lurker/inactive accounts

[viral prism]

bot is working overtime

[viral prism]

bruh

not even a little mention of his three selfs

[long briar]

He;s just these 3 guys, you know.. like everyone 😄

[viral prism]

wait like everyone?

[long briar]

no.. it's a joke on his specialness

[viral prism]

ohh 😂

[versed gazelle]

Sigmund Freud would like to agree with you

[crimson ravine]

🧐

[brittle dew]

HOW

oh wait i might know how

[viral prism]

wait what is the Circade doing there??

[static beacon]

inbound hotfix inbound 2 min

[crimson ravine]

@brittle dew My teammate had one of the Circade amulets on, after the cut scene there were 2 bosses 😄

[dim coral]

Fixed the ‘maggot’ barrier in Fallen Skytowers not dissolving for Clients.

you're telling me those water-looking barriers inside the ruins are in fact millions of maggots?

[viral prism]

oh...

well the Wazzard kept talking about maggots so..

[fervent basin]

who is mestra's voice actor? she sounds kind of like wuk lamat in FFXIV but I'm not sure

[jovial oracle]

Man, Vadagar Bear is aggressive 😂

[rare sphinx]

is the lyke wake drop bugged? i've cleared the dungeon like 20 times without any fragments

also the knight lore entries dont have it listed

[brittle dew]

there's one knight lore entry that's bugged and i'm suspecting it's the one that drops the lyke-wake

it is droppable, got a frag earlier, it's just that the drop rate is abysmally low

[rare sphinx]

did u get that drop before the hotfix

[brittle dew]

yes

been trying to get the second frag

[rare sphinx]

they might have borked it with the hotfix then

[austere robin]

i got one frag post hotfix, so it does drop, but very very very very rarely since its still tied to a specific enemy that specifically is pre-spawned in the dungeon

[brittle dew]

that's something i was wondering actually

the one frag I got did drop from a pre-spawned knight

which seems very much unintended

[fierce tartan]

I'm hearing Catalyst from Apex Legends! just a thought

[coral ruin]

Any chance the journal name can be changed at some point? I didnt realize it would actually change the name of the menu tab and the off-centered look kinda bothers me

[real bronze]

Cannot

not for now

anything with a pop out confirmation scares me so i went back to double check hahaha

[coral ruin]

ugh this sucks. It shouldnt bother me as much as it is but its honestly kinda an eyesore just seeing "Alcan Almanac" where Journal used to be. And it making the menu tabs be off-center is kinda driving me insane

[real bronze]

hahaha take a ss i want to take a look

that was one of the names i was considering

but i went with my very first choice before knowing the name would changed

[real bronze]

still okay not too bad

some people prefered codexicon cause its one word and a nod to warframe

[mystic spire]

part of me wishes it was the book

[coral ruin]

I feel like a lunatic but Im gonna reach out to support for this cause I really dont like this for some reason

[real bronze]

hahahah ocd acting up

Chronicles of Carnage also looked good

but that would probably trigger you more

[tidal mulch]

gets shortened to just Chronicles I think

[coral ruin]

Definitely. Im gonna ask to see if they can change it to Codexicon at least if it has to be something

[coral ruin]

Ooh wait thats nice too. Gotta see if theres a video out and look at the options again honestly

nobody's made a video for the quest that I can find so Ill just deal with this without it

[real bronze]

video wont show you the different names too

since there is no preview

[mystic spire]

will have to find several videos

[wind nimbus]

It doesn't appear to get shortened

[tidal mulch]

does the spacing between the other entries adjust to be even or does it look like its just crammed in there?

[wind nimbus]

I haven't got a clue, I'm not picking mine until I have some more info at this point.

[viral prism]

I like Alcan Almanac

But I do agree that it is kinda bothersome when the Inventory tab isn’t centered anymore

[gloomy tiger]

Maybe I’m just being captain obvious here but I thought it was interesting that orlick was saying that every enemy type os made out of varying amounts of ichor. Sinnecure are beings made of ichor, mendicants are the dead revived through ichor and mockeries, corrupted sproutfolk and vadagar animals are exposed to ichor turning them into mockeries of their former selves

[viral prism]

Wait he says that?

I though mockeries were just spirits infused in deadwood

[crimson ravine]

We need more swords - irony off

[viral prism]

I wonder what the hell they are gonna do with combat arts

Like if this continues, in the future we will have fricking 1000 points in those

[gloomy tiger]

I was hoping mestre carmo would be our combat art ancestor but it seems like it wasn’t implemented yet

[viral prism]

Yeah she was talking about her mastering every weapon to beat her old mestre so maybe next devstream we’ll see more about carmo with combat arts

[gloomy tiger]

Well most probably you are correct but it felt indirectly implied. Maybe I’m just getting carried away

[gloomy tiger]

Yeah I hope we do get to see more in the devstream

[viral prism]

I mean yeah some of them appear around Ichor places like in the glades but they don’t show any Ichor corruption on their models so I assumed they were a separate thing

[pulsar orchid]

This is a shame, it'd look so good if it just said 'Chronicles' or 'Almanac' on the UI at the top

I want Alcan Almanac, but I'm tempted to just choose Book because I don't want the UI to get messed with like that

[viral prism]

Kind think when they do change it that we get an one time option to change it again or not

[pulsar orchid]

Hope so! or just make it renamable like how we can change other choices from fables

[carmine wyvern]

do we know what the wazzard of wastes means when he says "so youre a killer then? wheres your scarlet arm?"

new pact maybe?

[worldly jewel]

all i can really think of is it being related to this part of the prophetic prose
A viling star of scarlet soared,
Heralding Ascendency!
A babe on shoulders old forewarned:
“Fear the Fey who speaks in threes.”

[safe helm]

is this entry for the wazzard? can you find him outside the quest?

[fickle mortar]

yeah he has a world map spawn

[viral prism]

no you have to redo the quest at least 3 times

if you haven't done the quest yet

also guys i finished the Ode conductor entry let's gooo

[rich ingot]

And relog between each time

[viral prism]

the the agari doesn't count

its a separate entry

[rich ingot]

Otherwise you'll only end up with 1 smite worth of entry the next time you relog

[viral prism]

oh i haven't gotten that issue? after the hotfix

oh no don't say i'll lose the ode conductor once i relog

[rich ingot]

Might have been fixed maybe?

[austere robin]

only one way to find out

[viral prism]

nope it stayed thank god

my precklies was leveling up too much so i was starting to do too much damage

[rich ingot]

Hurray!

[viral prism]

wait nvm... it is happening with other entry though

some are affected some don't

[lofty mist]

oh man, orlick's reveal reminded me a lot of penacony from HSR

also, "Book" lmao

[halcyon cobalt]

personally, it reminded me of the TV O.o.P section of Control (2019). idk why

[austere robin]

it reminded me of the Nokko quest minus the cheeks on display and less fungal funkiness

[finite tree]

Please do not ask for codes in this discord. The Envoy hour just finished, and there is a Dev Stream on Friday. You can refer to this post #spoiler-chat message for ways to earn access.

DE has no control over Twitch drops. It worked for many folks today. You can have patience and wait on Wednesdays, purchase a founder's pack, or else try again on Friday. Folks do occasionally drop codes in the discord, but it's against the rules to ask for one.

[sonic sequoia]

To clarify, it is against the rules to ask for one here in this Discord.

[rancid orchid]

ty

[coral ruin]

I actually hope we get a similar mission for all the ancestors once we rank them high enough as like a capstone mission for our relationship with them as well as their origin reveal for why they are how they are

This one with Orlick was actually kinda sick and I hope they dont just leave it as a one-time gimmick for just him

[jaunty heron]

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[lethal solar]

I reached the top, now what?
or it's a script error?

[austere robin]

should have triggered a cutscene

[lethal solar]

rip

[austere robin]

-# though for me it triggered on like the 4th floor

[tidal mulch]

Yeah, cutscene triggered on that floor with the quest starter page. Was annoyed cause it cut in before I could read it.

[austere robin]

wait is it tied to that note?
if so thats weird

(unless that note is at the p13 top of Pensives )

[tidal mulch]

It shouldn't be related. That page starts the Burning Sage quest if you didn't grab it off a tree. I just wanted to be able to grab it before finishing the Orlick quest, but then the cutscene happened.

[lethal solar]

screenshot tooked liek an hour ago

Like*

[austere robin]

reason i asked is because i literally did the exact same

[ornate kernel]

im stuck on that as well

[rapid jackal]

It's mainly through the Orlick quest to name your journal honestly, I did all his quests after I had gone to the top of hte tower, just as ya'll, nothing happened the first time.
Once I did the quests for him, getting him to the current max aka doing all his missions, the cutscene played. So ya'll might have to do that.

[rare steeple]

Boo! I didnt get a cut scene,

[viral prism]

I just want follow up quests or story beads for the prev quests

It’s just all new and new lore and we haven’t seen anything on what is happening with Lady deora beside her very limited dialog in silent rose or Garren Rood what is happening with him, Orengall?

[pallid nymph]

We'll probably get more on that eventually but getting expanded lore and content isn't a bad thing

[viral prism]

True that is true. The worldbuilding expanding is always a good thing

[lofty mist]

we're in the foundational phase rn. we're getting a spread of base lore without a lot of depth but with just enough hints (like, that mendicant language magic?) to work on later. ... i think.

[pallid nymph]

If you're talking the thing with the Wazzard in the ruins that's not mebdicant language. He even says 'have you come to decipher the ode tongue with me.' That's Silistyl

[rich ingot]

He also knows Tree Tongue!

[quick bobcat]

If you use the Orengall pact, she's sometimes showing up to instakill an enemy.

Someone a while back floated the idea of the Omen Beasts we rescue having a random chance to show up in nightfold just to check in. I think they had a good idea.

[viral prism]

that was their first idea yeah! Garren could be summoned which did some weird area of effect thing

But that has been changed to his stampede

[viral prism]

That would be cool to see yeah!

[quick bobcat]

No. That's not a change. The stampede was always part of his pact. His Idol was summoning him, and he'd stand there and proc healing, like Oscelda's spirit ability.

[viral prism]

Ohhh wait yeah 😂

[brittle laurel]

I really missed this. It was when pacts had their own respective gauge. The Garren pact does not feel the same since they removed his summon. I want it back so badly 😭

[viral prism]

The idols

[viral prism]

Kinda hoping that they add a similar rune system to the pact were we can also have smite effect on them? Which could them summon then perchance?

[quick bobcat]

Yeah. We kinda expected them to give his pact a rework where he can randomly show up like Orengall does.

[quick bobcat]

Eh... That seems too convoluted just for summoning rood for his own pact...

[brittle laurel]

If it is a passive, i would not mind. They can remove the one making the green ability having less CD and put the summon there hahahaha

[viral prism]

However with this we would just be slowly going towards the modding system in warframe and I don’t think they want to have that kind of atmosphere again 😅

[viral prism]

True they can just make it a general Omen Pact passive perhaps?

Heck let the ancestor pacts also summon them too 😂

I wanna fight along side Fenn!

[quick bobcat]

In that particular case, it would be like if DE decided to remove one of Voruna's wolves from her abilities, then make an augment to put that wolf and ability back in... It wouldn't really fly very well with the players...

[viral prism]

That is true yeah 😂

[quick bobcat]

You'll fight alongside Kuato and like it. Or else.

[still ore]

oh my

||So the protagonist is a paradox because of the pursuit of knowledge of the first ancestor? Wow.||

[safe abyss]

I'm pretty sure they're talking about shoulder baby, not us.

[mystic spire]

Yeah it is pretty clearly all about orlick and the baby no involvement of the envoy

[flint sierra]

Idk if this is where I ask this but where is maestra carmo in the nighthold? It shows her joining and all the wiki says she does but I cant find her.

[mystic spire]

Dont think she goes to the nightfold

She basically passes the ship to you and then is free to do as she pleases

[sonic sequoia]

Kinda sad the ship ain't in the Nightfold. 🏴‍☠️

[quick bobcat]

No.

It's a general message that shows up. Carmo doesn't show up, nor does Bromius, Rood, or Orengall (anymore). But you get that message from completing fables.

[mortal girder]

i think it would be cool if all the pact masters you get show up. make the Nighthold more of a little town

[coral ruin]

If not putting all our ancestors in the nightfold, they should totally include relics or map additions of somekind as a way to show off our progress in our journey

[quick bobcat]

Possible that'll happen in the futuere. For now, try putting that in a topic in #1438224662344761345 Sounds like a good idea, so may get some +1s.

[viral prism]

@rich ingot it's finally here... the mockeries

probably won't give us much but still 😂

[rich ingot]

MOCKERIES

Woo!

[viral prism]

wait....

omg there are so many new ones

the ones from the dungeons are now here too

those glades ode and stuff

👀

[still ore]

wood.. oh
i think that is bones

lol

[remote zephyr]

Does Duo Duelo scale off grace for duration or spirit? or both?
I thought spirit was mainly duration + cooldown but avakot wiki says duo duelo duration scales off grace

[mystic spire]

Doesnt work like that

Now virtues scale all aspects of the color coded ability

So grace ability only scales off of grace

[remote zephyr]

aw man 😦

thank you

[mystic spire]

That includes duration yes

The virtues also have standalone effects
Like grace increasing stealth and headshot damage
Or spirit decreasing ability cooldowns
And... courage gives more health... i guess

[pallid nymph]

Can confirm courage gives more health as my courage prism gives most health of all others

Like on all 3 pacts I currently have courage prism has health in 300s everything else is high 200

[viral prism]

Yeah courage gives tankier health, spirit ability duration and grace gives more damage for stealth attacks and headshots

[frozen shell]

So I don't get it ... I fought Duelo 4 times last night and didn't get squat. Is this a bug? Are other people running into this?

[mystic spire]

Cooldown not duration

[viral prism]

Oh wait yeah cooldown bruh

[viral prism]

No I also needed to do it a few times. It just doesn’t necessarily drop any fragments

[frozen shell]

ok, so you had fights where you didn't get any reward?

It just seems pretty crappy to hunt for a spear to pull then get literally nothing as a result.

[viral prism]

Yeah it kinda sucks but oh well

[frozen shell]

Maybe it is because I am bowing before I fight. Hmm. No respect for that wench anymore :p

[viral prism]

Would be funny if that was legit the problem 😂

[gritty fiber]

Not bowing makes for a faster fight if you can parry well enough, she attacks more often which allows for more counter attacks that chunk her health

[brittle dew]

what could this possibly mean

rough back TL since i have no access to the EN text rn:

Hear that? Whispered words! A couplet for a comet. A god wreathed in ice.
See these patterns? The retrograde star preceding the funeral ascension.

(clicking on the "souvenirs" button does nothing)

[inner lynx]

what the puzzel in this room

[inner lynx]

or this

[finite tree]

Likely in reference to the #1466905141968896225

[carmine wyvern]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1495429354346250433

I was going through the screenshot channel for fashion and came across this SS. The weapon the statue is holding looks awfully lot like a sort of katana... Might be just my weeaboo brain seeing slightest curve in a blade and experiencing neuron activation dunno

[mystic spire]

It is a giant version of the wyld sirin blade afaik

Also in the wyld concept art when sirin was green
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153116764633321534/1435705287309787259/98v412974b61945124bv8718b724v1_3.jpg?ex=69ea6c3e&is=69e91abe&hm=2d9221accd3fa10762d27a8dcf272fa6b4302120e7ca758d81b549b3966cb738&

[carmine wyvern]

Hmmm might still be something they bring back later 🤔

Because cool blade uknow

[rapid jackal]

A celestiar tower of the Ode now fallen. In it's ruins, corruption reigns; a multitude of creatures from distant stars. They flee from bassins of Ichor, squirm on the constellation maps. Only a wise sage, a philosopher, could pierce the mystery of the ancient use of this tower. Maybe you should wear your cape...

• Do you hear them? Whispered words! A stanza for a comet. A god shrouded in ice.,
• Do you see those patterns? The retrograde star that comes before the mournful ascension,
  And both choices are "Memories".

Had a french friend translate it.

[fading viper]

Do we have any idea what these extra chest piece and pants may be? (Not the Pensive or Mestra sets)

[brittle dew]

i'm bilingual, I understand both EN and FR, i was just wondering what the text was referring to 😅

[silver leaf]

I don't know where to post this but how can you smite those ?

[sonic sequoia]

You don't.

[jaunty heron]

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[brittle dew]

(switched to EN for convenience) this seems to foreshadow something

[rich ingot]

That's Wyld Sirin's greatsword from the concept art

[brittle dew]

full rovgot ruins journal entry

[zinc stone]

Just finished the Orlick quests, what a beautiful surprise at the end!

||Let me know what you choose for the name! I chose "Alcan Almanac"||

[quiet junco]

Same

Though I was tempted by ||Book||

[zinc stone]

Yeah that is pretty funny

[dense idol]

|| CHRONICLES OF CARNAGE! ||

[barren bolt]

||Alcan Almanac as well, it just rolls off the tongue nicely||

[finite tree]

||Healer’s Handbook though I was tempted by codexicon||

[void oracle]

||Codexicon for me||

[viral prism]

||Blib Blub ||

[worldly jewel]

||alcan almanac too yeah||

[echo sail]

||BOOK||

[neon oxide]

I hope we get to learn more about ||Atajan|| more soon

his design is nuts i love it

[halcyon cobalt]

I hope he's from an island on Alca that's got a more Arabian, Persian or Egyptian theme, maybe an island where we get a cool (dungeon-exclusive) wall run ability like Prince of Persia?

[neon oxide]

i feel like that'll end up where we go next, considering Zenith as well

probably after Midrath is fully fleshed out, there are still zones and areas that don't really feel like they've gotten too much of an art pass, like in the North East of the map

[halcyon cobalt]

to be honest, I thought you were talking about Zenith when you said Atajan

[halcyon cobalt]

I'd assume Preludes 20 (if it doesn't release to public access before that)

[marsh sandal]

So I just found the tavern after freeing the stag and I'm having trouble understanding damage and resistances at this point. I know I'm still really fresh (chose archer/rogue/hunter and I don't have any other gear besides the starting kit yet) but could someone explain the enemy symbology real quick? I know the red in an enemy indicator is the health pool, but what about the outline that gradually fills with each shot I take? I've also noticed some enemies dodge my arrow and I think that's really neat! So long as it doesn't become too commonplace it won't get tiresome.

[dry musk]

hay chat español ?

[quiet junco]

English only on this server sorry

[half nest]

I've noticed Orlick isn't talking to me anymore, he's not mad I called his life's work "Book" is he?

[worldly jewel]

not talking to you.... when?

[half nest]

in general

after doing his quests

[finite tree]

He doesn’t really talk to you in general. The only time he does typically is either when you find motes or are doing the stag quest…

[silk depot]

My friend did ||Book|| 😂

[neon oxide]

the yellow outline around the health is the enemy's stagger meter, once it gets full they'll be stunned and you can perform a finisher. I think questions like this would be better suited for #gameplay-discussion though c:

[obtuse wedge]

Anybody knows when they planning on releasing the game?

[rich ingot]

Still a pre alpha so maybe in 3-5 years?

Nothing announced though

[obtuse wedge]

Damn

alr thanks for info

[worldly jewel]

Do remember steve and geoff sayin late last year that they'd be hoping for 2-3 years if all goes well

[green canyon]

Hey everyone, I'm new here—I've been following the Discord server for a year, but this is the first time I'm posting. I got some codes to play the game, so I've been playing since last night and I love it! Is it okay to stream this game or not?

[worldly jewel]

Streaming is fine

There's no NDA anymore

[green canyon]

Also, how long are these codes valid? I’m guessing they’re only temporary? Thanks so much in advance!

[green canyon]

Oh, thank you for the quick reply!

[worldly jewel]

Until codes no longer serve a purpose

But they give access for forever

[green canyon]

Oooow nice, thanks , really!

[quick bobcat]

So, really, expect 3 more years.

[sturdy bluff]

Has anyone seen mestra in nightfold

[viral prism]

nope she doesn't appear there

[worldly jewel]

oh hello orengall summon

or... pupper summon who is not orengall

[valid ridge]

That what i was telling Helix yesterday!

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[dim coral]

There's a way to board the ship that's always off shore?

[patent scroll]

Sailjack confirmed?

[viral prism]

it looks like we are gonna get mockeries that inhabit mud and stone!

so its not only gonna be deadwood but also other materials

they are becoming weirder and weirder

[ornate marsh]

nah De just wanted to make sure the human souls rear end was uh... properly distinct from the rest of the model XD

[sonic sequoia]

Gotta respect the... craftmanship.

[glad elk]

I really liked the upcoming content. 👏

[valid ridge]

Soon, sailjack pretty soon

[dim coral]

(the ship docked at heedoway)

[pulsar orchid]

speaking of human souls, when are we getting the other souls 👀

[viral prism]

that pig is diabolical...

[pulsar orchid]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wtf-george--k01KQ0Q906H95SVKDW4BV3B0R2D

[viral prism]

mimrod....

i love mimrods

[quiet junco]

Mimrod is the pre-evolution of Nimrod

[odd raft]

What are the weapons in the preludes 15 teaser pics?

[hard kelp]

yes

[little grove]

this side arm ? (rapier)

[peak wind]

can anyone help what i am missing ?

and where to find that enemy

[rough acorn]

Hello guys, maybe someone have code for this game? want to try it.

[peak wind]

D676-E007-1EF1-71EF

@rough acorn

[rough acorn]

thanks ❤️

[hard kelp]

if i can guess correctly then the enemies are: wazzard of wastes (vadagar bear quest), mendicant king, a variant of the mendicant knights, the spiders that the agari wazzard transforms into, ode caster perhaps? or ode conductor, and finally the sinecure officer and the will o wing are not obtainable rn

[little grove]

this side arm? (rapier)

[quick bobcat]

That's certainly not a rapier. It looks more like a bowie knife verson of Grinn.

[jaunty heron]

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[sonic sequoia]

The full entry screenshot would be needed to identify them, some silhouettes are reused.
Apart from Will-O-Wing, that one I can tell you are missing at a glance. (also can't be scanned atm) 😛
I can hazard a guess that you are missing Waste Bear's version of Wazzard, and Styne from Shewolf Snared.

[peak wind]

any other ideas ?

[jaunty heron]

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[crisp gust]

Hi

[sonic sequoia]

Need to see the full page of the entries you are missing (besides Will-O-Wing, that is plenty obvious).
Specifically, the Ode'n name.

[peak wind]

I got it , it was end boss from orengall quest line. But the question remains who i`m missing

[sonic sequoia]

Mendicant Ichorlich.
The Mendicant King spawns them if he is on high health, and has already three Knight up.

[peak wind]

i`m going to try . I love you man

[spiral gale]

Do the Mestra pieces spawn from specific Duelos, or is it just a flat random chance?

[sonic sequoia]

As far as I know, random.

[dim coral]

solely random, yes

[hidden bough]

@peak wind where to get a second Wraith of Wastes?

[peak wind]

Replay the bear quest

[hidden bough]

Thank you, sorry for the noob question, but how can I replay the quest 🙁 ?

[peak wind]

from journal, in upper right corner

[hidden bough]

one more question, i did it onec...but looks like i need to kill this wizzard more then one time....am i right?

[peak wind]

yep , when you kill it don`t "talk" with the tree , just relog and kill (smite) it again

[hidden bough]

ah...i miss this part :((((

next time will be more clever

[celest cedar]

spoiler alert

[brittle dew]

what if it was called soulfreak and

[little grove]

https://tenor.com/view/recep-ivedik-korkmak-gif-20853025

[steep lantern]

so um. full trip vore wasn't on my bingo card for soulframe, but...here we are

[austere robin]

[steep lantern]

what are virtue prisms and when were they added

[pulsar orchid]

Virtue Prisms are these: https://wiki.avakot.org/Virtue_Prisms and they were added with the Virtue Rework in Preludes 13

[steep lantern]

oooooooooooh

so this...replaces the manual distribution?

interesting

so now instead of manual placement and getting more or less stuck in a build, we can now shuffle our virtue points (the vast majority anyway) through virtue prisms and equipment

in order to have seperate loadouts and builds

[pulsar orchid]

that's right yeah, so you still get these other methods such as talismans and pact arts, but the points from mastery are now allocated by the prism itself

[steep lantern]

why can't i see the little motes when entering an area that indicate how many motes are present? did they do something to that in 13 or 14?

[buoyant idol]

how long has this cute little hut in birdie's bog been here?

[austere robin]

i wanna say p13

[pulsar orchid]

yep P13

[worldly jewel]

nnnnnnnnope

not allowed to ask for codes here.

[sharp mica]

so where is allowed bro ?

[worldly jewel]

anywhere except on this server

[sharp mica]

i see

[worldly jewel]

literally in the rules that you're not allowed to ask for em here

[viral prism]

this is also birdies hut. cute little grandma living in a swamp... wait a minute....

[pulsar orchid]

baba yagaaa

[viral prism]

so like do the motes in the rovgot ruins look the same as the other locations? and where do they typically spawn?

[hard kelp]

i'd wish that the soulframe server had that server rules pop up to agree when entering it

[worldly jewel]

does it not?

[hard kelp]

nope, or at least i think so

[worldly jewel]

when you enter for the first time?*

[hard kelp]

yeah yeah

[sonic sequoia]

They look the same, they usually spawns in the main rooms, where Wazzard speaks.
They also have a significant time delay, so I suggest fully clearing the dungeon of enemies, then backtracking from the Wyrm spamming Spectral Sight + Pull Smite.
Current theory is that the Pensive set makes the spawn more common.

[sonic sequoia]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1425524697453432853

[uneven thunder]

So I just completed the arbearer quest and it said there was a new ancestor added to the fold, but I don’t see him here?

[dim coral]

bear does not show up in the nightfold

all you get is the magical fast-travel seed tree

[uneven thunder]

Ohhh got it

[quick bobcat]

It's a standard "you completed a fable" text.

[gaunt coyote]

Do you get anything from the duello quest in the nightfold?

[hard kelp]

nope

[stark glade]

my guess is we'll get carmo in the nightfold when they rework weapon arts

[finite tree]

She's actually elsewhere on the map atm, you can go chat with her. But she only gives you a bit of lore, and some teases for the future.

[lone warren]

For some reason i thought carmo would let you change/play ambient music in the nightfold

[cerulean granite]

I completed Duelo Fable atm, I wanted to farm the armour and sword. What should I do next?

[quiet junco]

Same thing you did for the Fable, the various shipwrecks around the map can have a rapier stuck in the ground, interact with it while wearing the Duelo ribbon to do the duel again, winning can get you fragments for the armor and the Espadarte

[cerulean granite]

Oh! Thank you!

[dawn herald]

Is Vernal Pool fixed?

Same as Healheart

[quiet junco]

Patch notes claimed it was, I know Healheart works though the Rune bar is visually not updating until you start using a Rune

[dawn herald]

What patch?

Since they released p14 it didnt work ther was a hot fix it writen they didnt fix it

Hotfox 4 samething nothing writen

Aa hotfix 3 they fixed it

[cerulean granite]

Btw about Duhl Halic?

[quiet junco]

How to get Duhk Halic you mean? You get it once you unlock all the World Trees (barring the unreachable one on the small island north-west)

[cerulean granite]

I got 1 fragment, after unforking all the World Tree, it says 1/2 fragment. Is that intended, if so how can I get another one?

[boreal jolt]

You can also get espadarte frags from the third siege

[worldly jewel]

buggg

[stray prawn]

So u just cant get it rn? (I had the same issue i believe)

[worldly jewel]

correct afaik

[stray prawn]

Buhh i want a new polearm, i finished leveling vasp but i loved using them

[worldly jewel]

Rook and Gathannan also exist 👀

[finite tree]

And duhk halic

[worldly jewel]

psst
-# previous messages 👀

[finite tree]

I’m just waking up don’t judge me

[worldly jewel]

i ain't judging

[finite tree]

I wanna go back to bed… whose idea was it to pick up another work shift…

[austere robin]

https://tenor.com/view/soulframe-what-confused-wake-up-gif-4947018634602838215

[finite tree]

I need this reversed.

[worldly jewel]

[finite tree]

Perfect…

[austere robin]

bless wagiii, the one i was trying to use via interwebs was skipping frames in the middle

[worldly jewel]

it was like... ezgif or somethin the site

has basically anything and everything you need for converting files or editing files

[austere robin]

i think thats what i went to too

might’ve been the “high speed” work internet doing something funky

[worldly jewel]

hmmm

[rich ingot]

Yours presumably

[finite tree]

Well…yes but also no. Felt bad for the guy who had to call out. And damn capitalism means I need money.

[rich ingot]

Ah, yes, money. Need some of that too. Job soon hopefully.

[proper hornet]

So, the bug in Waste Bear still exists

[sonic sequoia]

What bug?
Replayed it recentrly and seemed to work correctly, at first glance.

[proper hornet]

After defeating the bear and getting the wevetseed, going to the section where you must play the flute, the Quest will directly cut to the cutscene of the tree growing in Midrath, no music will play for the remaining sequence until you talk to Bromius

I've seen this twice while watching two friends play the quest for the first time

[sonic sequoia]

Uh.

[proper hornet]

One alt-f4'd and re-did the segment many times

But it didn't work, it would still cut to the tree with no music playing

This was after P14 too

[sonic sequoia]

I assume you and your friends made a thread in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788 ?

[proper hornet]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1495282805960216626 I made one but it hasn't gathered any attention which does frustrate me a little bit

Im guessing the bug isn't showing for people who already did the quest before

But it is for newer players who are playing it for the first time

[sonic sequoia]

Might want to put a video or a better explanation.
Do keep in mind that the devs don't usualy respond in the threads, but they do check them.

If you got a way to reliably replicate it would go a long way for the devs to fix it.

Or sending them the logs through support.

Specifying if it happens when playing solo or multiplayer would be also good, as mentioned here: https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438226708154286101

[little grove]

What's going on here? "meme name"

[winged sparrow]

is the voice line where Alora talks about violence and beauty after the Cogah concludes a recent addition or is it just a very rare occurrence

[deft thicket]

Can I tell Orlick how his yapping annoys me without any consequence

[quiet junco]

Well the game isn't going to break if you're mean to him but there's moral consequences

[deft thicket]

Damn, anyways oopsie

[jaunty heron]

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[low crypt]

hello question,what should i do after waste bear

[rich ingot]

Shewolf Snared, Duelo, organsz agariz cogah, gear farming

Plenty of options

[jaunty heron]

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[boreal jolt]

Is there a way to change what you pick at the end of chapter 2 for your book name?

[worldly jewel]

don't think there is atm, not 100% sure tho

[jaunty heron]

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[true tusk]

Are there axes yet or soon to be?

[austere robin]

oon™

probably gonna use the same animation sets DE makes for the future war hammers

[true tusk]

I neeeeed them axes man it was rough finding out there were none

[austere robin]

understandable, i really want dual hatchets as a weapon

[finite tree]

Please review the #server-rules and pinned messages.

[pulsar orchid]

It was added in P12 with Cogah, alongside the other three lines. I'm not sure if they're rare, I thought you get one of those four lines every time you wake up in the bed? The one you get after defeating an agari is rare though

[pulsar orchid]

Not confirmed yet but since they're giving us enemy maces right now, I am 100% confident they'll give us their axes in the future as well

[quiet junco]

Been in the tent since Preludes 1 😭

[sonic sequoia]

Map comparison from P13 to P14.

[austere robin]

time to go crosseyed

wow alot did change

though most of what i see is like the bugged shadow boxes

[sonic sequoia]

Screenshoting those map really drove home how much they are touching up on the environments every Prelude.
I see small changes all over every time.

[austere robin]

if i get bored i might throw both of those into a image edit software and circle all the changes my crosseyed-ness finds

and if i want to endure that muscle strain

[sonic sequoia]

^^

Practical changes are the Reaper dungeon being shifted, and a couple of dungeons slightly shifted, and the Organ ofc.
Otherwise it is all environmental.

[naive oyster]

in the bear quest i picked the spirit dialogue and now i have a permanent +1 to spirit that i dont really want... is there a way to respec it?

[rich ingot]

Replay the quest would do it

[naive oyster]

how can i do that sorry

[rich ingot]

Visit Orlick and there should be a Replay button in his Fables tab under the Easte Bear

[naive oyster]

hmmm i dont see it, do i got to progress enough?

[rich ingot]

Might want to try a relog

Could help

If not, no clue why. It definitely should be.

[naive oyster]

I AM DUMB found IT

[violet cradle]

a

[boreal jolt]

anyone know what we need to do to fill this one in?

[sonic sequoia]

Drink Cogah potions, no need to even exit the Cogah, seven entries in total.

[boreal jolt]

and we get mastery for that too do you know?

[sonic sequoia]

I don't believe so, but no idea if anyone really tested it.

[boreal jolt]

kk ty ❤️

[quick bobcat]

Not all notes give mastery.

Back when there was the bug where we couldn't get the cogah, notes, there wasn't any notice of mystery mastery added, nor when DE fixed it so that we'd get the full notes if we should've had it, but didn't.

[tepid smelt]

I love Garren even tho they headbutt us and snorted at us 🤣

[quick bobcat]

Orengall wants to rip our guts out...

Bromius so far is the only omen beast happy to see us.

Hmm... Mimrods...

[loud spoke]

hey, anybody got a map of all agari locations?

[pulsar orchid]

There's https://soulmap.avakot.org/?loc=Agari if you wanna see each one and click through them, but I think there was a good farming map I saw yesterday as well I'll try and dig it out

ahh no it was a dungeon exits map I saw, not an agari one

there were some good P13 agari maps but a couple got moved in P14 so they might be slightly outdated

[bitter mortar]

I prefer Memerod

[north yarrow]

any way to open this door in the glades?

[quiet junco]

Yes Spectral Sight should highlight nearby puzzle elements

[north yarrow]

mh only thing that gets highlighted for me is the door itself. i assume the puzzle would be on the same tileset?

[quiet junco]

Yes, as a hint ||check the walls||

[plush mountain]

Fair enough lol

But what about 2 Mestras

[bronze cradle]

Hello together

Ich surch so little golden sparks in salzbrim and i habe 3 of 4. I dont find the last

[marsh sandal]

-# "THE EVERSTORM".exe
Storm you, Nimrod.

[frozen shell]

Or as a spoiler (since this is spoiler chat 😉 ) There are three buttons you need to hit. One is above and right of the door, one is on the perpendicular wall to the left of the door, and one is on the wall perpendicular on the right (not connected to the wall with the door). I don't have images but there are lots of youtube guides on this puzzle.

[jaunty heron]

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[noble comet]

2 Mestras actually sounds like a jojo reference..

[ornate marsh]

A Duel Duello!

[pastel fractal]

i want help

[pulsar orchid]

#spoiler-chat message

[pastel fractal]

I have already logged in

[rich ingot]

You don't have access to the pre alpha yet

[stoic breach]

how long does it take for the wolf pup to grow? if they do that yet even

[valid ridge]

not yet

[mental thunder]

Havent gone far into the game yet but, how far is the game. I just retrieved the treasure from that green kappa/turtle

[pastel fractal]

Ok thx

When will it be released on Steam?

[worldly jewel]

no info really

[narrow briar]

Check your dms or pms

[rich ingot]

What's the source on that?

DE has indicated some timelines for steam and for leaving Preludes but those two timelines don't seem to overlap that the extent that implies, from what we recall

[harsh jacinth]

This statement is not an official announcement, but rather an analytical forecast and assessment by the gaming community based on the game’s current development pace.

[pastel fractal]

Thx i cant wait

[echo sail]

I thought they said they were looking at a steam release sometime this year, but I haven't seen any indication that the preludes cycle would end anytime this year or the next.

[harsh jacinth]

Early testing phases like the Preludes usually take 1.5 to 3 years, and it's already been about 2 years. Draw your own conclusions 🙂

[echo sail]

I conclude that it will take as long as it takes. DE tends to break a lot of 'typical' game development and marketing rules, due to being a private company, having their own engine, and a unique take on game development & marketing, so whatever you're sourcing as "typical" probably doesn't apply to them in the same way.

[harsh jacinth]

I get that. I was just stating my assumption.

[dull mist]

Guys, I have 2 pieces of Wazzard's Bycoket, lvl 3 from the blacksmith but, I don't see the recipe to craft it, is it a bug? (crafted the jacket)

ok it's a bug, in the inventory there is no but, if I go to change and the hair appears, strange very strange

[proud scaffold]

Try to reload your game, then go back into the nightfold.

[pastel fractal]

Hello everyone, I'd like to speak with the company. What channel can I use to contact them?

[proud scaffold]

You can speak to customer support by making a ticket here and choose from the options:

https://support.soulframe.com/hc/en-us

[quick bobcat]

You could try following the process shown here. DE set it up so people can contact them. https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1425524697453432853

[pastel fractal]

Thx 🙏

[faint sonnet]

"Slay the Fungal Lord" Is just planting a giant mushroom??? I thought I was about to get into a fight 💀

[open carbon]

is anyone else sad we didnt get a emote for duelo to play the guitar?

[finite tree]

*yet

[olive kernel]

anyone else having an amount name item drop from the carmo fight? xd

had it happen multiple times now but never when my screen capture is on

[proud scaffold]

I’ve never seen that before.. make a bug report for DE team to take a look at. Probably be the best thing, try to detail how it happened and what the item actually is?

[olive kernel]

Once I get a clip of it I will, it doesn't actually give me anything that I can notice in my inventory and nothing special happened I just get it by chance after beating mestra carmo

im hoping if I can get a screenshot itll give them the metadata they need to take a look, they mentioned it helps so we'll see

such a weird bug tho

[proud scaffold]

Hmmm that is weird!! #1438224825113120788 when you get the clip. Make sure to press and maybe try to get a F6 screenshot along with the video recording.

[olive kernel]

yeah for sure

[lime escarp]

is it normal to not get any fragments after the waste bear. like got multiple different pieces after the stag but nothing from bear

[candid gorge]

Hmmm I think I know you from somewhere.

[normal cove]

They really need to reconsider for a second here

[proud scaffold]

Where is this image from?

[normal cove]

I took it. I farmed Cogah Reaper yesterday and killed him once or twice, this is what turned out when i checked his entry

[proud scaffold]

Could you send a full screen picture of it?

[normal cove]

Lemme go into game rq

[strange goblet]

Hey guys, is there anyone here who knows how to unlock Fenn Jotar entry in the journal please ?

[normal cove]

It kinda bugged out again and i lost one step of progress. Still the name is shown as Reaper and not the new name (i forgot what it is now)

[proud scaffold]

Ah okay, well if it comes back send another image of a full screenshot.

[normal cove]

Does it just come back or do i need to smite once more to get it bacK?

[quiet junco]

This has been flagged to the community team already, thanks for reporting

[normal cove]

You referring to my post?

[quiet junco]

Yep

[normal cove]

Alright good to know ty!

[normal cove]

actually is recreatable.

[kindred ermine]

hi, are the jotar turret motes findable now ? they are the last I miss and I don't find them

[jagged cape]

i found a bug that when you used the Treefall Rune (Greatsword), the sound effect of the cast will be stuck playing until you relogged into the game, havent found any fix for this, changing runes, weapons, pacts, none works

[boreal jolt]

That’s definitely an oversight 😅

[primal hazel]

hi

[pulsar orchid]

I'm confused, wasn't this enemy renamed to Flayed Reaper? Presumably for this reason?

(I haven't got the entry yet so can't check in game sadly)

Ahh nvm it's a journal bug, but yes hopefully to be fixed soon 🫡

[finite tree]

That issue has been escalated to the team and should hopefully be resolved soon.

[verbal perch]

Can Maestre carmo be done in a party?

This fight is so annoying

[potent pier]

Yes. Did it with a friend.

[austere gull]

you can easily cheese him its what i had to do

[verbal perch]

I finished it. Stopped playing cause i was getting mad at 0 arena spawns in the glades

[austere gull]

thats good:)

[ember palm]

the amount of love I have for the fact that when you defeat Corrupt Ode Dogs they flee instead of dying
it's such a beautiful touch to how the Envoy heals the world of Alca 💛

[finite kraken]

Also means that we'll probably never get diverse enemy types in the form of any mammalian enemy that is not a person, considering people complained about fighting the one we had until it was changed, leading to a very hefty history of bugs involving it.

Speaking of bugs, those are apparently fair game though, as we all know insects are inherently evil and make fine enemies.

I guess.

[ember palm]

“If you kill a cockroach you are a hero, if you kill a butterfly, you are evil. Morals have aesthetic criteria.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

This is a very worthy debate. We do save rats, who are considered vermin, like insects are. Verminia is named after vermin, after all.
I personally think we will eventually get other diverse enemies of different types, even if not they are not animals exactly. Perhaps mechanical or spirit forms could work.
We do also have the Will-o-wing, which is a plant-like enemy. One could argue about these too I guess.

[pulsar orchid]

Hah yeah I always wondered about the dissonance that we can't kill the hounds, but apparently can kill nature's weavers just because they have a little corruption...

[gritty fiber]

Spider pact and totems when-

Friendly jumping spiders with slowing totems hm

And jumping totems honestly couldn't hurt

[sullen abyss]

I'm trying to figure out a bit of the lore in this game. The enemies say, "Find the traitor," when they're looking for me. Was I once one of them?

When I shoot some of the enemy troops with my bow, sometimes a glowing circle forms around them and they get struck by lightning. Are they committing some sort of suicide and trying to take me down with them (some sort of archane kamikazi), or did they fail in such a way that they are being punished by the guy with the lightning (I keep forgetting his name)? They seem to keep talking about killing me until the lightning strikes.

Why do the towns people seem to call for the enemy troops when they first see me?

And, those tree stumps with the crystals on them, do they move around until you figure out their musical puzzle?

[austere robin]

1. yes you were a former Ode, particularly a Ode Tempest, a Fey/Human hybrid captured by the Ode and used for their siege against Midrath

2. yeah, the Ode have a sacrifice mechanic that will have them be struck by Lightning, presumably by Synod himself or some voltaic magick they learned

3. Townsfolk are under the Ode’n Spellsong that puts them in a trance like state and makes them believe the Ode were always on the planet and arent invading

4. those are Echo Stones, former pieces of Fey history you can use to boost a virtue

[pulsar orchid]

• We were once part of the Ode, likely under the Spellsong. We seem to have been cast out, or maybe an attempted execution, in the introduction with the Torque Inquisitor

• They are indeed committing suicide in the name of their lord, Synod, and they are doing so willingly

• The townspeople are under the influence of the Spellsong

• Crystals... do you mean Echo Stones?

[austere robin]

🤝 i got most of them correct thank you drackore lol

[pulsar orchid]

you beat me to it!!

[austere robin]

yeah but you snuck in the lore links while i dug ‘round in my head trying to come up with a lore-abiding answer

[pulsar orchid]

depends how much further reading they wanna do 😄 I guess they did say they were interested in lore so hopefully the links help hahaha

[sullen abyss]

Well, thank you both. It's been a long time since I started the game, and have only recently gotten back into it.

Mind you, I've played a lot of Elder Scrolls games, plus Warframe, and both have a bunch of lore to gather.

[austere robin]

i used to know every in and out of the entire Destiny lore so i feel you

[sullen abyss]

Yeah, well, they ruined Destiny for me, so, let's not talk about Destiny.

[austere robin]

understandable and agreed

[sullen abyss]

At least when ESO came out with a new DLC or chapter, they showed an introductory cut scene and then left you by a wayshrine so you could go back to what you were doing, rather than spoiling the game by forcing you to do content that had spoilers in it.

[brittle dew]

to elaborate a little bit more on the 3rd question: the Torment Stag quest is partly about freeing Lady Deora from the Spellsong's influence

if you needed a more clearcut example of its effects

[sullen abyss]

Ah. I'm not sure where I am with all that. I thought I did that, but if so, it was a long, long time ago.

[austere robin]

https://tenor.com/view/soulframe-curse-of-ra-poseidon-gif-10294463109344853746

[sullen abyss]

Right now, I took a break from doing The Waste Bear to reveal some location names in the early parts of the map.

Plus, now that I have Juniper, I thought I would level it up before finishing The Waste Bear.

[pulsar orchid]

Someone made a really funny one of the Envoy dunking child Deora back into the water but I think it got deleted from wherever I saw it then I never found it again 😭

[digital onyx]

how do i start the pirates thing to get the new arm?

[ember palm]

forge the Duello Ribbon, wear it, go to the shipwrecks and interact with each weapon there

[digital onyx]

and where is this duello ribbon?

[ember palm]

it hangs from the shipwreck's splinter, your bird leads you to the ship

[digital onyx]

ooooh thanks youuu

[long cape]

Two pressure plates.... Is there a rock somewhere that I haven't found? Or can I wedge a plate down otherwise?

[bleak basin]

That used to be a special dungeon you could only access in multiplayer

Now it's still a dungeon that you can only access in multiplayer, but it's not special afaik

[long cape]

Meh. How to make friends with a rock

[worldly jewel]

it's special in the way that it's reeeeaaally long

[frozen shell]

It sometimes is open for faction tails

[quiet junco]

If there's a Votive in there it'll just open, if you want to enter it as a solo player you can with some Pact abilities. Sirin's Trick of the Light used to work (though I had trouble getting the clone in the right spot) Orengall's Werewalker definitely still works

[gloomy tiger]

You can use either orengall’s werewalker or sirin’s trick of the light to activate the second pressure plate

[harsh jacinth]

I used the wolf transformation to unlock this dungeon

[harsh jacinth]

Oh, I didn't see your message.

[brazen widget]

But there is only one plate that is pressed there.

[sullen abyss]

When the quest says, "Slay Agari," is that a specific (named) enemy?

[mystic spire]

Agari is the term for the world bosses

They have fixed locations around the map

[sullen abyss]

Oh, so, now it says to kill 5 of them. That sounds like a bit of a job right now. I think I'll work on levelling up gear.

When charming an animal, sometimes it has the symbol for harmony on the staff. If you hit the right button/key when that goes by, the 0 above becomes some number. If you don't hit the right notes the first time, and it starts again, it seems to go up. Is that "harmony" you are gaining, or spending?

[mystic spire]

Gaining

[sullen abyss]

Okay, thanks.

[quick bobcat]

That's a summons, not a transformation.

[brisk wagon]

I wish werewalker was a transformation instead...

[quick bobcat]

It it was, then DE would have to retool the one dungeon that currently werewalker's summons is the only way to open it solo.

Used ot be, you could also use sirin's decoy to open it. But that got patched out.

[elder vortex]

Where do you get the gun

[quick bobcat]

Duello pact. Gotta do the fable.

https://wiki.avakot.org/The_Wreck_of_Mestra_Carmo

[elder vortex]

Got it

[rich ingot]

Could also just get a votive that requires it

[peak vale]

i can't find a rune for my class any chance someone could help me?

[rich ingot]

What weapon type are you using?

[peak vale]

staff

the alder right now

[rich ingot]

Go to the Undercity, find the ghost guy, smite him (it won't appear to do anything for now due to a bug), then leave via the exit.

[peak vale]

thank you

[vapid gazelle]

the runes for staves drops everywhere but specifically the wraith drops them

[oblique girder]

Is there a way to trigger circade overworld spawns? I've got the appropriate pendants

[rapid jackal]

Mainly you just have to wait until the time they're described as.
ie
Dawn pendant is sunrise, or dawn, when you get a circade overworld spawn, Dusk pendant is well, dusk or sunset, and the last one, I've a brainfart on it's name, is at midnight in game to get another spawn.

[oblique girder]

Damn I finally got a midnight Spawn and it didn't get me a drop

[rapid jackal]

You have to be wearing the pendants and when they glow you'll know you did the thing.

Once you've gotten all 3, there's a puzzle in the circade crypt that's Waves hand in circular motions. all kinds of screwy.

[sullen abyss]

Okay, "Hunt me some Gruul." What are Gruul?

[worldly jewel]

Gruul's basically a slur/derogatory term the ode use towards rejects/people they've thrown out etc. Like us for example

Afaik

[sullen abyss]

So, why would I want to hunt people like myself? Who is this "spy" that's telling me this?

[worldly jewel]

"spy"?

Talkin about Lady Deora?

[sullen abyss]

If that's who shows up at the bottom of the screen and tells me to, "Hunt me some Gruul," then asks me if she isn't the "perfect spy."

[worldly jewel]

The ode, who she works/worked for, dont know that we freed her from the spellsong. That's basically her giving orders to the sinecure. Acting as a double agent of sorts

[sullen abyss]

Oh, so, she's not giving me orders.

[worldly jewel]

You can sometimes hear a little clicky noise after she finishes her orders and talks to you directly acting as if she was to "switch the channel"

[worldly jewel]

Well, yes and no.

Since she does talk to bot the ode and us

[sullen abyss]

I guess it's been so long since I started playing this game that I don't remember freeing her.

[rapid jackal]

Happens in the Stag quest.

[sullen abyss]

Ah, yeah, that was a long time ago, with many months between then and my coming back to the game.

[worldly jewel]

The ending fight is us freeing her from the spellsong yeah

[sullen abyss]

My time has been occupied by several different games, for a long, long time. I'm sure I missed some of the additions to the game along the way.

Right now, I'm playing solo and trying to level up some of my gear before trying to take on the next steps in the quests in my journal.

I'm not sure I'm even playing the game the way it's supposed to be played. I either end up fighting stuff that dies fairly easily, or bosses that I can't handle on my own.

I know I should be levelling up my reputation with my faction, but I'm not sure if I'm even doing that right.

[worldly jewel]

Curiosity will take you far in this game honestly especially at this point. You might find better ways to do things if some idea or thought comes up and you follow thru with it or you might find something completely new

[cunning spade]

It has a very strange level system.

[shadow igloo]

Ode'un (rank/class) spagetti 😋

[whole turtle]

I wanna give a terrified thumbs up to the designer(s) that made the Stag look like the god from "The Ritual" Thx, my nightmares are back XD

[gritty idol]

Just to ask, is there a daily lock on this or can I just not read?

[void dew]

how to get invitation to the game? I can't login

[quiet junco]

Soulframe is in closed pre-alpha you can get access in various ways, described in the pinned message in this channel

There's 2000 invites sent out every Wednesday, you can also buy a Founder pack for instant access, and when DE does Envoy Hour or devstreams you can watch for 30 minutes to get access as a Twitch drop

The next Envoy Hour is next Tuesday

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

[void dew]

s0 2000 invites - just randomely getting this ?

[quiet junco]

Weighted towards older sign-ups but yes mostly random, for guaranteed access the best way is watching a stream, buying a Founder pack, or getting an invite code from a friend

[void dew]

hm... too complicated... will look for another game

[quiet junco]

Keep an eye on your e-mail if you do get invited eventually

[void dew]

I will do, thanks

[quick bobcat]

It can take quite a bit of doing to get that one to show up. Would be better if they just reworked it.

[viral prism]

Kinda hope we are gonna get a somewhat wider quest that connects these omen beasts and the vadagar mimics together. The quests now really just have been introducing a new omen beast and a pack etc but I wanna see garren rood again

We gonna get a frog and a ram soon but I need like idk, a council of omen beasts or something

[opaque bear]

I assume they're laying out the basic quests needed to give us a foundation of the world. They'll probably flesh them out later

[viral prism]

Do we know if they wanna have a linear story line of quests or do they want a more parallel story where you discover different story lines? I can see each omen beast having there own story like quests with it all converging into one and depending on which one you have done it influences the story?

But then again with the orlick progression introduced, they made it seem each current quest is the linear story line

[opaque bear]

I don't think they've said anything about it

[quiet junco]

More of the latter

Already some of that in the game, you can do Wreck of Mestra Carmo, Waste Bear and Shewolf Snared in any order but Shewolf and Bear both touch on the main plot briefly

And I assume Wreck will tie into leaving Midrath at some point

[viral prism]

That would be very cool to see yeah

[quick bobcat]

They may not have such a thing. Could just be each is their own thing, with their own jobs/roles. We know that Bromius is in charge of maintaining the forests, and apparently deciding what ones can be harvested. Rood is in charge of the deer herd, and likely the one making sure the people who're allowed to hunt them are doing so with respect to the rules of the hunt. Orengall is implied to be an enforcer of rules. Cut trees without Bromius's ok, hunt without following the rules of the hunt, and she may come and rip you apart...

[viral prism]

Wait that is actually a good overview of them all! Thx!!!

I haven’t seen them in that way

[quick bobcat]

Sometimes, I'm fairly good at paraphrasing the lore.

[safe grail]

so from naming the journal i got the idea that the frames will be humans in different time periods of this world? so the name appears again... am i on the right track?

[quick bobcat]

The only frame in Soulframe is our body. There's no canon connections between SF and WF.

[safe grail]

thats not what i mean, i mean different time periods on this island

like before Oden or way after it

[quick bobcat]

Now you're not making sense.

[safe grail]

why

[quick bobcat]

so from naming the journal i got the idea that the frames will be humans in different time periods of this world? so the name appears again... am i on the right track?
This only makes sense if you're trying to make soulframe and warframe connected. ☝️ Otherwise, it just sounds like gobbeltygook.

[worldly jewel]

this 👀
Soulframe: Soul = literal souls, Frame = the body of for example us, the envoy 👀

as implied at the start of the game when you're "choosing your Frame"

[safe grail]

exactly what i mean, and if we write a book then we may go to different time perdios of this world and play a different frame/human in it, and see the books again

[worldly jewel]

i have a very hard time believing we'd be doing time traveling in this game ._.

[safe grail]

why? they made it make sense in WF, why not here also?

[worldly jewel]

Warframe it makes faaaar more sense to be able to. that game is actual sci-fi stuff

[quick bobcat]

That's a clearer idea, but I seriously doubt that time travel will have anything to do with the game. Only playable flashbacks from the Envoy's past, as DE mentioned they want ot make the 3 juniper fragment cutscenes be times in the Envoy's life as interactable cutscenes.

[worldly jewel]

technology and stuff, wacky void powers.
we don't got any of that here

[safe grail]

SF is mystery fantasy stuff

[quick bobcat]

Different narrative. Different enemies. If time travel were possible, the Ode would've used it to just go back to when they captured us and not give us the brazen lung, so we die choking on tower air. Game over.

[safe grail]

sounds like a plotpoint to me, to stop from doing that by sending our soul to a frame(body) of the past, or aquire this knowledge in the first palce by sending one to the future where this tech came from

[quick bobcat]

Not possible. We're not like the Operator/Drifter, who can discorporate and possess a body.

Additionally, we're stuck on the ground, and the Ode are up in the skytower. And they'd likely not give us the courtesy of saying "hey, I'm just goinna Terminator you."

[quiet junco]

I don't foresee a time travel plot but I also don't think it's out of the question, we already briefly play a small flashback (or flashforward) with the Wevetsap dream in Waste Bear

[safe grail]

i think DE is enough of a jockercard to be able to pull it off, if needed

[quiet junco]

You can pretty easily handwave away time travel shenanigans in a fantasy setting with "It was a vision quest to the past"

[worldly jewel]

sure we'll very likely get flashbacks to things but i can't really see actual time traveling yeah

or like you said flashforwards too possibly

[safe grail]

yea, thats why i think naming ones journal has a meanign for the story later, by going to the future where people tlak about it, or findign the journal of a past frame in current time

[quiet junco]

I think it's just fun to name things

[worldly jewel]

i mean the Journal itself is Orlicks book, where the topic is us, the Envoy

[safe grail]

i jsut hope decissions have more impact than WF light/dark aligment

also our island is probably not the only island on this world that got taken over

[quick bobcat]

She used to be a Mestra like us, then she took an arrow to the knee...

[pulsar orchid]

she really didn't come out of that looking too good

[quick bobcat]

Orengall and Bromius fables have choices that give you +1 to the chosen virtue.

[pulsar orchid]

Then again, she and I have each been through it this preludes

[winged sparrow]

"I don't think we'll time travel in this game"

bro i'm not 100% convinced we AREN'T on a lost island of duviri lol

Despite Word of Steve

[safe grail]

https://tenor.com/view/fireelmosteve-gif-26958979

[quick bobcat]

Well, we're not.

[winged sparrow]

"don't trust your lying eyes"

[quick bobcat]

"Damn your eyes." -Johhny Cash, "Sam Hall".

[rich ingot]

Apparently that impact is coming

Think it's been mentioned some of the choices will play into the Wally storyline or smth

[safe grail]

so far they only changed some minor dialogue, but only the choice itself not the alignment, like the end of the war within, wlly says different stuff to you, depnding on what you choose to do with the kuva

[quick bobcat]

And what you first chose to do is your canon choice. I dumped it out.

[lament crescent]

i want this Armor from Waste Bear so BAD

[lapis ermine]

The sci-fi stuff in question: Void magic words

[lapis ermine]

Provided you don't believe the sparrow is the soul and the envoy is the shell

[viral prism]

Time travel isn’t really a usual trope in medieval fantasy genres though. I mean it could?? Really anything can, but like idk it wouldn’t really fit here.

However having tropes such as sealed fates or future sights etc could really work here. After all we already have seers that take a peek at what is to come…

[safe grail]

imo it makes sense, why else would we name the book? it needs to have a reason for later, later in the future possibly?

[viral prism]

Naming the book was just for orlick though. He was just searching for something to write and then found us.

[rich ingot]

It might play into a later Orlick story, vut wouldn't count on it being a huge world changing thing. A lot of the ancestors are about helping on a more personal level

[brittle dew]

orlick's questline so far is really just about us pulling him out of fraudwatch

[rigid tusk]

What's the deal with the quest to get the Pensive Pantaloons? It says to go to the top of the tower of the College of Pensives. I've gone to the top, checked each floor, checked around the grounds ... nothing

[sand wren]

try restarting the game, then go back into the tower, it bugged out for me too

[rigid tusk]

I tried last night and logged in today and still same thing ...

guess try again and again ... but going to the top is correct?

[sand wren]

hmm, yeah that's a bit weird, but keep trying, sometimes it may take a few restarts, charms of pre alpha and all that xd

but dw, you wont reach the top :p

[rigid tusk]

each time I go up the stairs, he talks about getting thrown ... then the screen goes black for a sec and the nnothing ... so I keep going up

[sand wren]

yeah, screen is supposed to go dark but then you get transported somewhere as orlick, not sure what to do then if restarts dont help, restart helped me, that's all i can say

might check out https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788 section, see if anyone had/has similar issues

[rigid tusk]

thanks, it finally worked this time

[whole locust]

I'm stuck on the Bicameral's Biography quest. I've gone to Luminns and looked in both buildings there, but neither seems to be Orlick's old dorm because the quest isn't updating. Have tried looking around with spirit sight in case there's a trigger. But no joy.

[rigid tusk]

that one didn't bug for me, but maybe you need to restart the game like I did for a later one.

for that one I found it and he was standing outside the door of the building and wanted me to interact to talk with him

[kind oriole]

Crazy tbh

Tessard is crazy good

[worldly jewel]

Think max defence is at like 140 atm

[kind oriole]

Im still trying to work on how to get there

Its mostly those crazy chains from the diff factions that boost it and max attunements

[shrewd sundial]

140 is the max in the Arsenal.

You can get it far higher by using all three potions, using Bromius, and having teammates with Orengall and Duelo.

I'd imagine enemies cannot hurt you, even in The Cogah.

[crude grail]

Hmm, seems Discord is having issues atm... Can't share an image :/

But I got 177 defense, 61 phy, 63 magic, 53 stagger... No potions

[shrewd sundial]

I got 181 (70/56/55)

[crude grail]

Then why'd you say 140 is max in arsenal? 😛

[shrewd sundial]

Because I hadn't tested yet.

[quiet junco]

The journal is incorrect (as is Orlick's dialogue) it's actually a building in the small town near the College

He calls it Luminns, I assume it was decided that area is now Lummins but the map hasn't been updated yet so the town to the north is ALSO called Lummins

[shrewd sundial]

I think 1145 is the highest theoretical armour without accounting for Bromius' passives.

651/391/103 using Orengall set, Shademaker, full Grace, Howl, Bravada, Song of Growth.

You could technically push it further with Echo Stone buffs. But not by much.

[shrewd sundial]

Also, here's the max arsenal armour.

[terse tapir]

What are you using to acquire that?

[shrewd sundial]

Orengall set with max Grace (-1, because I only chose one Grace dialogue option).

I'm trying to test if I can boost it with a Echo Stone, but I need to find one.

Echo Stone buffs do not show in the arsenal.

[wheat galleon]

Can get 182 if you swap to Mestra chestpiece 😉

[shrewd sundial]

So you can!

Orengall's Greaves are switchable with Mestra's Breeches. Mestra gives a more balanced spread.

Not sure if I'm reading to much into this, but the descriptions of Mestra's gear seem vaguely trans-coded? Especially since Mestra says she never actually duelled the Mestre. It could just be the normal "accepting your vulnerabilities" themes, though.

[fallen trail]

I think u mightbe readingtoo much into it, apologies
Also, Carmo did fight her Mestra. The tales she tells u before each fight during her quest are about the 3 times she dueled with him.

First with a longsword, then a broken mast as a polearm, and finally a rapier, ultimately killing her Mestre in a single blow on her final duel

[fallen trail]

I mean
That does sound like an character told contradiction.
Not in a bad way: kinda says that carmo might have a habit of telling tall tales, but then, what about what she said during the duels?

[shrewd sundial]

Those were the tall tales.

[fallen trail]

Perhaps...

Idk, don't know why she would lie

Tho, there's also this quote

[fallen trail]

"The mestre was me"

[jaunty heron]

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[pulsar orchid]

It's not just you! Tomomo had the same theory the other day (idk if they're in this server, can't tag) and I think it's a potential reading especially with her final conversation at Heedoway explaining how much of the duelling tale was comprised of lies

My initial take is that it's intentionally ambiguous, or that it's 'the canon but only there for those who choose to read into it', that kind of thing - but I still need time to fully form my own opinion on her lore, still finishing up the quest walkthrough lol

[potent pier]

I hadn't thought of it until pointed out but I can see it now. It's the little things and the more subtle symbolism. If nothing else, her story carries themes that happen to be shared with more intentionally trans stories

Freedom, growth, self-discovery, claiming self-mastery from others...

I admit that when I first saw her model, the pastel blue ribbons caught my eye first, and I immediately scanned her for matching pastel pink

[quick bobcat]

Sparrow is our familiar. The lore shows it was Gramps's familiar, then he tasked it with keep us out of too much trouble. Also, my soul knows how to pathfind.

[quick bobcat]

Yeah. Most of the stuff involving time travel and fantasy are someone from the modern times getting sent back and mucking up history a bit. See also: Army of Darkness.

[quick bobcat]

It could just be a bit of whimsical fun.

[rigid tusk]

Is there anything I can do to open the bigger metal boxes when they are glowing when I use Sight ?
Can't seem to open them with F on any side nor break them with attacks, rolls, etc.

[lapis ermine]

No evidence no quotation no nothing
And it could be both things at once too

[obtuse hedge]

a valid thing tbh. DE has been pretty queer friendly, and before we actually got the current color customizations, one of the presets was the trans colors.

plus, well, we also have canon sapphic suns with a non binary grand-child

[potent pier]

Very much so. I'm very eager to learn more about Paladine for that reason.

[obtuse hedge]

which, now makes me wonder if they'll do something unique for pride stuff, like, instead of rainbow cosmetics we'd get some stuff that is jsut canon queer rep. Like, a sword used by an errant shieldmayden on her quest to save her princess or something

" the spear of Arval Gariss, Known for his determination and pride as a defender of Mora. He was known for his two half sun shaped scars on his chest, his gift from mora for showing true courage in accepting who he truly was"

[lapis ermine]

All these in addition to a Portuguese player confirming to me that "Carmo" is a somewhat old male version of Carmen, make it pretty much confirmed for me
Though of course it stays a theory, unless DE wants to come out and confirm it 👀

[pulsar orchid]

this'd be really cool, lore-friendly and artstyle-friendly representation rather than just throwing the flags in haha

[potent pier]

I THOUGHT the name seemed curiously masculine.

[obtuse hedge]

lore friendly? not at all, it's lore COMPLIANT. we are talking about a world where the people saw two suns, and said "those are women, and they are kissin". not having queer people around would make no sense.

[obtuse hedge]

the number of transfem i've encountered in the HEMa spheres confirm that a lot lies in the blade indeed