#envoy-gathering

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frosty ore
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mustard? got it

dry shadow
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Hi

stone cliff
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Hi

buoyant igloo
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Where’s the best place to post keys? I just realize I never used the extra keys I got from buying the paragon bundle

charred crag
buoyant igloo
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Yeah that makes sense

charred crag
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a fair few people do come in here that are practically begging from the get go, your decision if you wanna give to them or not 😆

craggy fossil
pine narwhal
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My hopes for future mounts : Give us the choice between 3 "mod" per rune (for example, vaccuum, mounting, battle)

charred crag
pine narwhal
pine narwhal
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This way we can use the mount like we want, personally i'm tired of running around to gather all the fallen items from enemies

solid fable
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imagine if your mount could do this to loot 🫡

pine narwhal
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But we could also have something like :

  • Gather environmental items (flowers etc)
  • Vaccuum (gather fallen items from kills)
  • Mount (self explanatory)
  • Battle mode (same)
  • Buffer ? (battlecry and we could have some buffs/heal)
  • Being able to equip one weapon or one sub-weapon to battle with us ?
stone cliff
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like give us a small like 3m radius or smth

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3-5m

solid fable
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to be honest, i think we should have a vacuum button that takes 2 seconds or something to pick up everything nearby, but you have to actively use it

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like in sekiro

craggy fossil
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It might be possible

indigo sage
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Or have it revert to how it was before, maple story style ShrimpEyes

pine narwhal
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I think being able to personalise our mount kinda like Warframe with pets would be perfect

craggy fossil
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How about a item magnetfier like the one the odes use?

acoustic turret
craggy fossil
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We can use their tech for good

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not for bad

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Like a mini magnifier attached on the envoy or the wolf like a pin or something. as soon you activate the magnet, every loot that you can get, could reach to you in seconds.

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But i think that would be for the future, right now would be broken....

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Like every envoy would just go 999 items quickly. in less than a week of maybe 40 hours, 24 hours the no life.

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Also the magnetfier could have a max of items that it can magnetfy so, if you want more, you have to wait for the others to be on the inventory, for balance of course.

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SAM!!! I KNOW YOU ARE LOOKING!

solid fable
craggy fossil
acoustic turret
undone siren
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the game is currently BETA? or official game?

solid fable
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it's still being referred to as a pre-alpha currently

bitter tinsel
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can we see which mini quests we have completed and which ones we are missing somewhere in game ?

charred crag
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and go see if there are any in there that you havent done yet

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would love to watch live but I don't think I can commit to staying up until 6am x)

stone cliff
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Im actually really lucky with the stream times tbh lol

sly elbow
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how do i get an invite for soulframe?

charred crag
charred crag
tame isle
charred crag
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once a week iirc, there is one starting in 5 and a half hours from now!

@playsoulframe on twitch just make sure to link your Twitch account through the Soulframe website

worldly bay
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Duelo gameplay:

charred crag
stone cliff
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I hate waking up early BUT if theres a morning shift I rather take the morning shift to have more "free" time

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like my day gets rearranjed better

ancient breach
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Hey what time is the twitch stream ?

stone cliff
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check the event page

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it says the time in your timezone

pearl beacon
stone cliff
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top left corner is the time of the stream converted to your timezone

pearl beacon
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And then inventory slot-taking items like Orsts can be exempt

ancient breach
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oh its tomorrow then someone said there was one today i thought

stone cliff
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should I ask p15/ plans to future systems we need in the queston thread for tmr?

ancient breach
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yea console players will want to know

stone cliff
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or is it used more for general questions?

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like whats your favorite color lol

ancient breach
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when i was watching a tiktok streamor play the game every asked when it will be on console

stone cliff
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not soon tho

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the game is in early development so a console release will very likely only come when the game offcially releases (these are my words or opinion)

white otter
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.gamesindustry.biz/why-soulframe-wont-cannibalise-players-from-warframes-existing-audience

a very cool interview (and honestly something a lot of people should read) with Sheldon from last year, pre founders. just add the www at the front ya kno, not a whitelisted website Avakot

stone cliff
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oh no

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Hi wagiii

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forgot my introduction :/

white otter
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cwazy

dapper gorge
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Good time of day Envoys, Founders, Paragons and Stevens.

stone cliff
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Hi steven

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that will very likely be deleted if its seen lol

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thats why I said oh no lol

stone cliff
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I havent spoken Steven in a while

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need to get back to the grind

analog plover
stone cliff
pearl beacon
stone cliff
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havent spoken steven in a while

pearl beacon
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not too worried tbh, even though it's feeling quite warframe-ey with the envoy powercreep it is only pre alpha after all

stone cliff
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Im more worried about systems we need asap

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like power leveling is basically fine tuning envoy power + enemies power and its fine

white otter
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I've heard enough from Steve and Geoff to not really be worried at all

ocean solstice
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i’ll just ask here too, how do i get a code to play soul frame it seems right up my alley

stone cliff
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check pins

white otter
stone cliff
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theres a stream tmr watch for 30 min and you get a key

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like we really need to get rid of virtue lichs

ocean solstice
stone cliff
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and we need a weapon system to let us scrap weapons into a scrap material or smth

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and let us upgrade out craftwork

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an with this add auto scrapper with settings that we can choose

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like we need a lot of systems to make the new weapon system be good

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and that can be really scary bc imo if they dont act correctly they might lose a lot of players and get a lot of backlash

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the new weapon system is amazing the way it works I love it

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but its really flawed imo

sand siren
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the preludes server tag is gone, what a shame

stone cliff
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if they dont think carefully it might be really bad lol

white otter
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being scared or anxious or worrying about an upcoming change or changes that we barely know anything about, and that might already be completely different to what we know on the devside is another thing that i can't really understand or ask from myself if im honest

normal condor
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Hi 👋

My name is Goob, I've been enjoying this game lately! I wa wondering if there was a sheet someone made for material grinding? I'm also struggling to find out where locations are in pertaining to the story I'm assuming for examplew with finding Neathcap in Neath'uns it dsoest tell us where to go or even hint at a area to look for

robust rose
white otter
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it is gone yes

normal condor
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I'm not sure where to find the dungeon type then..

white otter
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have you done The Waste Bear fable?

normal condor
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Is "Denmark undercity" A dungeon type?

charred crag
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yes

white otter
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that is one of the dungeon types yes

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well... dermak but yes

stone cliff
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be free to look at it

pearl beacon
normal condor
stone cliff
normal condor
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Oh I can't use emotes here I'm dumb LOL

Do you mind linking the wiki?

stone cliff
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there

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it has basically every piece of info from the game

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thx to the work of multiple testers wiki writers and devs

charred crag
white otter
charred crag
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omg thank you. I was always wondering why

slow acorn
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I had no idea there was a President of DE Sheldon

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Curious to see what/which questions get answered tomorrow afternoon

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related 😄

white otter
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Sheldon Carter myes

white otter
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an interview with him from last year

slow acorn
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ah sick

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ya lemme read this now, I'm just watching 2 twitch streamers atm & looking 4 job

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thanks Wagii +1

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short but sweet

stone cliff
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istg the names of roles in big companies are so confusing

slow acorn
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wait see NOW I'm confused

stone cliff
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basically

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from what i searched a couple days ago

slow acorn
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so is President step DOWN from CEO?

stone cliff
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President = COO I think

slow acorn
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oooooooo ok

stone cliff
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from what i searched its the CEOs second in comand

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its like vice CEO or smth

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its really confusing

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and I might get it wrong aswell

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since Im confused myself lol

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thats just based on what I searched

safe quail
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I just saw how the omens mobilize... they let them fall from their ship in a triangular-shaped machinery. How does the impact of the fall not affect them?

it took me by surprise

slow acorn
stone cliff
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hope all goes well for her

slow acorn
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yes same

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guys what time is the WF dev stream this Friday? 2 pm ET? then SF is 3:30 pm ET?

stone cliff
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they had a 30 min gap I think

charred crag
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DE Rebecca is the only DE staff I remember by name ngl cause my clan used to all pray to DE Rebecca for good RNG luck 😭

stone cliff
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so that sounds well

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Im team DE Megan lol

iron socket
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New Sili staff better reforged for Courage or Spirit?

stone cliff
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now that Im more a soulframe fan than warframe, Im kinda of a team DE Sam lol

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Sam and Sarah (when she wears her pink cowboy hat)

slow acorn
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k thx Wagii

white otter
stone cliff
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I shall hate you

white otter
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Our precious shy truck repair guy

stone cliff
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Im jk lol

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tbh my memory is so bad that I dont remember scotts time in warframe lol

fast crescent
hard acorn
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Hey everyone, I have a question: how do I invite a friend to the game? (I already have a code)

cloud rain
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they register it on the website

hard acorn
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Anyway, thanks, I'll tell him to try again.

mild mango
simple mason
cloud rain
obtuse veldt
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Yo what's good

charred crag
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heyo

mild mango
obtuse veldt
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Eggs?

obtuse veldt
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Ngl meta knight is Kirby's cooler cousin

charred crag
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kirby is just a baby bro

obtuse veldt
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A destroyer of worlds

charred crag
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exactly

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just not yet

obtuse veldt
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Not yet

obtuse veldt
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Bro he eats people

pine narwhal
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How do I trigger the mestra fight again ? I went to a shipwreck and have the ribbon but the blade and the ribbon are not spawning

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Knowing the fact I already did the questline

muted owl
pine narwhal
steady wyvern
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It

muted owl
steady wyvern
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Doesn’t randomize locations?

muted owl
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Randomizes which one spawns. I mistyped.

pine narwhal
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Once I'm done with one shipwreck I can go and do the others ? Or do I have to wait the respawn

steady wyvern
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If you’re doing the quest you do need to go to a shipwreck you haven’t gone to yet

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You can do the others immediately

undone siren
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i recently started to play, chosin between 3 first class, can i switch in the future? or if i pick warrior, i should play it always?

pine narwhal
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I did the quest, I just want to farm the armor

pine narwhal
undone siren
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okey thx

pine narwhal
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"Courage" is the warrior archetype

mild mango
wheat hull
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so from where do i get esprdate rapier fragments cuz i went to fight that ghost lady again near the alcas children faction but it gives me no drops whatsoever

simple mason
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Doing more duels on shipwrecks CAN drop the Espadarte along with the Mestra armor set, it can also drop from the Siege at Mirifuir in the north-east

pearl beacon
wheat hull
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im not sure its the right place tnh

pine narwhal
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Can I beat mestra multiple times on multiple location or do I have to wait ?

simple mason
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You can go to multiple locations

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Only one fight per location

coral thorn
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I type in english to keep the rules here. Yes, I'm from Basque Country 🙂 first time I see someone with a basque name here 😄

pearl beacon
gaunt sapphire
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Where's this squirrel's acorn?

white ginkgo
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drop pods came down and everyone in my squad crashed lmao

thick storm
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Are the Wyld Founders packs farmable in the future?

analog plover
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they will be yes, but thats all we know atm

tawny cove
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what do i get from selling runes?

marble palm
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whats up with the glittering animals in the codex?

tawny cove
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can someone tell me what i get from selling runes pls 😭

feral fractal
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You get materials to upgrade runes and totems

tawny cove
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how doi get the things to buy from shop

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only with real money?

feral fractal
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Sadly yes

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The good thing though is that aside from the founders packs, any weapons you see in the shop you can get in the game.

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Just gotta fight the right enemies or bosses

olive star
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and there will be ways to obtain the premium currency for free in the future, 's just the matter of how they're gonna go about it

iron fable
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Hey

torpid vector
raven marsh
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lizzard

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im still not sure how you are suppose to smite the flying turnips

white otter
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lillard

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atm not even able to MoteLook

raven marsh
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thats also why i feel smite was a bad way to introduce a scanning system to soulframe

white otter
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i mean it's fine for now, if they do end up changing the way you gain the info

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just a "how do we get this feature in the game quickly without having to do anything crazy?" kinda thing

raven marsh
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ye im just gonna wait until they update it before i go round hunting for stuff

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they could have used data on kill or if you simply had to hold soul vision for a few seconds or something

white otter
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more work than just "info on smite"

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tho i also feel like a loooootta people wouldn't like to just stare into an enemys soul for said info

somber portal
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Thats why we are tearing it out and not staring into it

raven marsh
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or just add a on kill register

pearl beacon
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But it definitely raises the question of whether DE considered the will-o-wings when they designed that questline/journal scans

white otter
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didn't know that about the VA ngl

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tho he is good so it makes sense

somber portal
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Who is Orlick's VA?

pearl beacon
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Oh yeah they love him (and quite rightly, he's amazing) but they had a tough time scheduling him for the new P14 stuff

white otter
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do we know that even?

pearl beacon
white otter
pearl beacon
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so far the only VAs I know are Doyen (Clive Russell) and ofc Alora being Jennifer English

white otter
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ahyes someone on reddit had found a wonderful answer from gemini

pearl beacon
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I really love how AI just knows all the truths and gives the truths and never misinforms 🥰

analog plover
somber portal
white otter
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huh i did find this instagram post tho, unrelated but y'know

somber portal
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I dont think ive seen this banneret styne

stone cliff
analog plover
stone cliff
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full game landing later in 2025 lmao

white otter
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hmmmmm? why did Ralph Ineson's IMDb page pop up when i searched for Orlick's VA?
and Liam O'Brien?

pearl beacon
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and by fight I mean uh

somber portal
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Oh I dont remember that quest in the slightest. I did that a long time ago then took a year and a half long break

somber portal
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I just wanna see more of all the omen beasts

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Mostly bromius, hes my favorite of them

analog plover
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i want more Dale Seer lore

safe quail
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soulframe fighters:

GarrenHuh vs BromiusTea

somber portal
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The Dale Seer is only mentioned so far, right? We dont see them?

somber portal
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Just about to say how I cant wait to see the omen ram

fickle kestrel
fast crescent
somber portal
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Oh i thought that was garren

fast crescent
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So do all the other omen beasts, if you encounter one in the wild

random prism
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It's one of the omen beasts that can show up, yeah.

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I don't think Garren shows up, actually.

somber portal
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I mostly see bromius or Zenith

random prism
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Just the moose, camel, Orengall, and Bromius.

fast crescent
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Eventually in the swamps we might see the omen toad

somber portal
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I just wanna see the ram TwT

random prism
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I wonder what the frog pact will be like.

somber portal
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Omen snow leopard would be cool imo

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Omen opossum

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Frog pact gonna be a psuedo-grendle

analog plover
fast crescent
analog plover
dapper gorge
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GToDEFPaS.

carmine jolt
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Hey gang, what is the Eternium Garden? Is that like a leaderboard or a showcase for early founders or what?

daring yoke
carmine jolt
oak fractal
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follow up questions, I have been playing for months.... but how do you do emotes on a controller?

daring yoke
daring yoke
oak fractal
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thank you !

carmine jolt
carmine jolt
oak fractal
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I am not sure, I will check later

carmine jolt
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Hahah okay let us know

nocturne hearth
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Hello

chrome sequoia
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For the last couple of hours I haven't been able to gain favor from Sparrow Tales. I already checked and I'm at 0/30k with the Silent Rose. When I finish a tale it just shows 0 no matter if it's 1, 2 or 3 stars

silver kestrel
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you got capped

white otter
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then you might've hit the daily cap of 16k

chrome sequoia
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Ah didn't know. I usually am very casual and was on a day off just playing a lot. Thanks!

somber portal
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You've hit the daily cap. Which at the moment, we cant see. However, go to favors, then click on sell at the top, and you can gain standing that bypasses the cap

chrome sequoia
autumn bluff
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hey guys game is buggy tonight? cqnt join friend pqrty

oak fractal
frosty ore
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Someone actually used the D-pad for something

carmine jolt
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As soon as I had to be hitting R-X-H-G whatever on M&K I knew it was a controller game

cloud rain
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It's most definitely a controller game, the standard keybinds are atrocious

slow acorn
feral fractal
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Hell yeah

somber portal
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Does orlick's set do anything?

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Because his whole thing is scribing, I feel like it might effect history motes

surreal basalt
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The motes of the ruins give that hint

somber portal
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Odd

foggy flax
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The game needs to give us the option to advance quest dialogue. I can read it so fast compared to how long it takes for the voice acting to complete. This will be the thing that makes me stop playing the game

white otter
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talk about impatience jesus christ

white otter
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i'd understand for replaying a quest but..... for playing it for the first time??

sterile wraith
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So you want to skip the cinematic experience of the STORY quest just to speed run through the quest? And do what then? Don’t understand the game progression afterwards??

foggy flax
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I am reading it, I am understanding and retaining the information. Don't force me to sit through the cinematic if I don't want to

white otter
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for an extra what... 2 seconds max?

foggy flax
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It is much more than 2 seconds

white otter
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no it really is not ._.

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not much more

sterile wraith
foggy flax
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I am not skipping anything, I am advancing it more quickly because I am reading the text on the screen

sterile wraith
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Are you bothered by any other game that has story cinematics then as well???

sterile wraith
foggy flax
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No, because I have the option to advance. Baldur's Gate 3, I have over 700hrs. Tons and tons of dialogue. I read it, I advance through the dialogue. I am not forced to sit and watch the entire voice acting cinematic

sterile wraith
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There is body language, facial story telling, environmental impacts

white otter
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tons and tons of dialogue, yes, a hell of a lot more than this game might ever have

sterile wraith
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Why skip the beautiful cinematics????

foggy flax
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Thats fine if you feel differently and want to watch the cinematics. The option to advance for those of us that read the story should be available

sterile wraith
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I get that you can read, but there is supposed to be a pace in this sort of things. Follow the pace and the story and lore will hit deeper then just speed running the summaries

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That is why there are cinematics in a CINEMATIC STORY quest

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To give you the pace of the events that are layed out

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This is like saying that you want to be blind and just want to listen to audiobooks all day

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Explaining what is happening on screen

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Sure on second playthrough however….

white otter
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Baldur's Gate 3 has a completely different dialogue system even than this game really. it's a lot more just back and forth, for longer periods, a hell of a lot more often

radiant beacon
foggy flax
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You are misconstruing what I am saying. I don't think the option to advance dialogue is that crazy of an idea

white otter
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it.... kinda is imo when the story plays a bigger part than just being back and forth dialogue between characters MoteLook

random prism
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This conversation is one person expressing an opinion and several others resorting to attacking their character, tbh, which isn't a good look.

compact talon
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gang we already barely got any dialogue and people wanna skip it too?!

random prism
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If you don't agree with an opinion stated, move on at this point.

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Cus it immediately devolved.

sterile wraith
white otter
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i could get wanting to speed up the cinematics etc. if the story wasn't as big of a part of the game, and the animations and voice acting was kind of a "side project", but it's not in this game, like at all

random prism
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As someone who reads fast, I can understand that some people are here for the gameplay and sometimes a character will voice their lines kinda slow, finishing far after I have completely absorbed the info.

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I wouldn't do it personally cus it isn't bad here but I can understand the want to absorb the info and move on.

sterile wraith
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That one orlick line that took ages… I understand that one

foggy flax
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I've only just started playing. I don't know how much voice acting and dialogue is going to be in the future. It feels incredibly slow to me. I also feel that tactics like this are ways for games to try and eek out at much time as possible at the start of a game to fall outside of the 1hr return window that Steam provides. Being that this is made by the same people as Warframe, likely will be F2P, so not a huge deal for this particular game.

I am glad that you guys enjoy the game, but I don't think this one will be for me.

white otter
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i mean yeah not every game will be for everyone or will every game have a function/feature one would want or need Bromius

sterile wraith
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Yeah much like warframe, the quests are gonna be a cinematic story experience. Probably long quests that will already fall over the 1h mark but I mean it is a story game and looter shooter. And it is free yeah so the 1 h mark doesn’t really matter 😅

white otter
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but like... i don't see the cinematics being how they are being in any shape or form a "way to just make the experience longer" and nothing more or barely more than that

sterile wraith
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For this type of game, I think you’d want to have longer experiences though? Like new war was absolute peak

white otter
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yeah

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like this is a story game in a way at the end of the day

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in the same way warframe is

sterile wraith
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And a life service game…. which means that ofc they want you to play longer making the 1 hour mark even more pointless

white otter
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that too

white parcel
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soulframe story: you're born, become a prisoner as an adult, your captors knock you out and release you, you wake up on a beach, go into a hobbit house and your fairy godfather tells you that you're a wizard and you need to save the world or something

lapis void
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I think a lot of players pick up SoulFrame for the Souls aspect of it and they expect to be able to speedrun/cheese a lot of it. (dont get me wrong you can cheese almost any boss with height) but perhaps the name is confusing them making them expect something it's not

white parcel
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it's not a soulslike at all

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but yeah like you said people will think it is

sterile wraith
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That is true I see that a lot happening.

bronze egret
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2 Questions about Soulframe, How different is it compared to Warframe and how does the wizard content play like in the game?

white parcel
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considering de's story telling is basically a group art project i assume soulframe will end up being the same

random prism
# white parcel it's not a soulslike at all

The theming is different but people are too quick to jump to this denial. This game will pull in some of the Souls crowd for its similarity, despite being much more casual, as the basic combat feels incredibly familiar.

lapis void
solemn mango
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does this game have fast travel

white parcel
lapis void
sterile wraith
lapis void
# random prism Did it?

Yup. You can't get headshot damage with it anymore therefore the damage was massively lowered

solemn mango
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want to farm a boss but dont want to have to run all the way back each time

bronze egret
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Classes? Like I make my own character not control a fantasy version of warframes. Very intresting

random prism
sterile wraith
random prism
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As a souls gamer, that is what drew me in initially and why I got hooked so quickly.

sterile wraith
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I just used the armor rendering totem to reduce the enemies defences

random prism
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It has the same strengths, the same simplicity.

white parcel
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Curious what we'll see in the two soulframe streams this week

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Over/under on mounts being revealed?

white otter
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Doubt we'll get anything about mounts since that's a tennocon thing more so

white parcel
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i see

sterile wraith
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Yeah I figure the next devstream is gonna be addressing the loot and crafting changes

white parcel
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theyre planning to axe crafting and make everything drop from enemies right

white otter
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"an early look at P15" so yeah

sterile wraith
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The envoy hour is just gonna be a fun little stream

lapis void
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I agree, the game does need mounts. Either that or give us unlimited fast travels

white otter
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oh hell nah for unlimited fast travels

white parcel
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fastest way to get around is wolf mode with orengall pact lol

lapis void
random prism
sterile wraith
white parcel
random prism
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Yeah anything that'd not feasibly drop straight from an enemy will still be fragment crafted.

white parcel
#

interesting

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that reminds me of other games for sure

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like loot you get from weapon drops or vendors are decent

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but the best ones are crafted with rare drops right

sterile wraith
#

Like royal tines or gathannan for the garren rood ancient weapons

surreal basalt
lapis void
#

oh a feature i'd like, unless already implemented and i can't find it, is to keep the compass on the top of the screen there constantly

white parcel
lapis void
sterile wraith
# lapis void I agree, the game does need mounts. Either that or give us unlimited fast travel...

The thing is though…

From the very beginning they already made it very clear that you are supposed to “find” stuff to do. Their idea was that fables, factions, locations, characters, etc are supposed to be findable by actively exploring the world around you. This translates into you pathfinding to your locations etc etc. But because DE has to account for the fact that…. well player can be so oblivious sometimes, in most games this doesn’t end well. And to compensate they introduce limited systems to “guide” you to your next objective, even though you are supposed to find them yourself. And now we have a sort of compromise with limited fast travels.

But because there isn’t really much to do at this point. The explorative part of the game feels lacking and that is why the travel times feel so long. They are working on this by adding mini quests to spice up the exploration of the game, and now mounts are coming to once again accelerate the travel time without hindering the exploration part of the game.

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So yeah I think unlimited fast travels will be very problematic for the vibe of the game in the future

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And if they do it now, there will be no going back because the outrage of removing unlimited fasttravels will be much bigger than the current small hinderance of now.

random prism
#

The map is small enough that if we had mounts sooner, teleportation would've never been needed.

sterile wraith
#

Yeah exactly

random prism
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I don't think it was technically needed as is cus the map at its very longest is about an 8 minute run.

sterile wraith
#

I honestly thought the Orengall quest was gonna give us mount already but they had some setbacks I assume?

carmine jolt
#

AS if they wont be expanding maps/adding locations

marsh fox
#

Hi, I just purchased one of the 30$ bundles. Where exactly do I find my code?

lapis void
random prism
marsh fox
random prism
random prism
marsh fox
#

awesome, thank ya very much. and for friend codes they just go to "redeem a code" on the website?

sterile wraith
lapis void
#

The speed in which you get in game items is almost immediately. They're VERY good about that

sterile wraith
#

The current map really has been set up quite nicely for now

marsh fox
#

thank you both twice

random prism
#

And that failing, try incognito mode. The site has been touchy in the past.

somber portal
#

Tips for rovgot motes? Or is it just abysmal spawn rate

sterile wraith
#

Abysmal spawn rates

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Just keep spectral sight up to spot them better 😂

somber portal
#

I do 2 runsthroughs each time. One to wyrm, and one back to entrance. Then I leave

sharp beacon
random prism
#

They only spawn a bit after you enter, I just waited at the entrance for 5-10 minutes.

somber portal
#

😭

random prism
#

Enter, wait, slowly clear dungeon, log out without even fighting the boss, repeat.

sterile wraith
#

Damn fr????

somber portal
#

Thats terrible

random prism
#

Yeah it needs to be fixed cus it's a bit ridiculous.

sharp beacon
#

This has to be the worst system ive ever seen for this but what can ya do?

somber portal
#

Noy like I need to kill the wyrm, I have everything leveled to max

sterile wraith
#

No wonder I couldn’t find any when speedrunning through the dungeon

random prism
#

Also I'll tell you now that there's a hidden room I've seen them spawn in twice.

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In that room with the uuhhh, canyon through the middle, one of the rooms with a hanging chain you can use.

sharp beacon
#

How do you get to that hidden room again

random prism
#

Near the corner, right under the thing that pops out when you pull the chain, you can jump up onto some pipes.

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Then into a hidden room that always has 2-3 small chests.

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That's a place motes can spawn.

somber portal
#

TwT

sterile wraith
random prism
#

Yeh.

somber portal
#

Rovgot by far the worst. 9 motes, thats at least 90 minutes then

random prism
#

Oh yeah fully expect this to take you several hours.

sharp beacon
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Longer cus you have to actually find them

random prism
#

It's a time.

sterile wraith
#

Do we know if the pensive clothes increase spawn rate?

sharp beacon
#

Why they did it this way? NOBODY KNOWS

random prism
#

But I don't think that's outright confirmed.

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May be true, may be confirmation bias and luck.

hushed rampart
#

took me forever

sterile wraith
#

Mmh maybe it will only take 5 minutes?

Let’s have an experimentation:
-enter dungeon with pensive armor
-wait 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 minutes
-look for motes after the corresponding time has passed
-record if motes have spawned
-repeat about 10 times for each timeframe

  • make beautiful graph marking yippieeee
somber portal
#

Im gonna watch anime while I wait or something. Gotta start castlevania nocturne

random prism
#

I just pulled up youtube lol.

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Took a break at the entrance each time.

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Knocked it out in a few hours.

somber portal
#

If i wanted to waste my time id just go farm Bite in warframe

sterile wraith
#

I had no motivation for nocturne tbh… it felt off for some reason

sterile wraith
#

Goes quicker then you’d think

random prism
#

Man, tryna get Seathorn again is reminding me of how egregiously bad some drop rates are in this game.

#

Two dozen t3s now and not a single frag.

lyric wraith
somber portal
#

Okay this is getting really damn annoying. At kairness, trying to find the last mote I need, and Its nowhere. I know it spawned, but its nowhere to be found

oblique pawn
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Kairness is far and away the worst mote spawn

white otter
oblique pawn
#

Check the forests

pearl beacon
oblique pawn
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It can spawn basically anywhere in a 1km radius it feels like.

somber portal
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Its a hamlet, no, of course I havent checked the areas far out from it

#

These animals are really pissing me off

somber portal
#

Screw this. I got to mr18. Im done. Motes is such a bad system

lyric wraith
#

motes?

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i played around 2 hours so no idea xD

latent geode
#

I think they'd be better with set locations for the motes that lead to interesting parts of a location

lyric wraith
#

trees that unlocks map ?

somber portal
#

After completing some of Orlick's quests, you gain the ability to find little glowing balls around towns and stuff that give you lore and uncover the town name

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They give mastery, aka Account XP, and so is nessecary to get to the current max of level 18.5

lyric wraith
#

damn ...

somber portal
#

Weapon max and pact max are different, they are at 30

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You get acc xp for leveling different weapons and pacts

lyric wraith
#

same in warfarme

somber portal
#

I dont know if you are familiar with the system, so i just explained it as a whole

lyric wraith
#

kk

somber portal
#

One of my friends play this but never touched warframe, so it is a possibility

manic sonnet
#

is the president of company on many envoy hours

white otter
#

only on that one that we know of

vivid escarp
#

hey guys when is the next dev stream for me to get a promo code and play

white otter
#

depending on where you are in the world, either today, or tomorrow

#

on the 26th DE time anyway

eager sigil
#

?

random prism
#

They do the discord local time thing.

rigid pecan
#

so like

pine narwhal
#

I need 20 gossamere, any ideas please ?

rigid pecan
#

the Ode are definitely thematically like

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criticism of imperialism, right?

fleet bough
#

Right

rigid pecan
#
  • erasing native cultures and history
  • "Correcting" wild/untamed/"barbaric" things
  • Destroying land with a rampant disregard for the environmental damage caused
random prism
#

They're alien electric space wizards expanding across space to find resources to fuel their empire.

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Make of that what you will.

rigid pecan
random prism
#

Part of this includes attempting to terraform Alca into something they can survive on.

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As their biology is fundamentally different, given that they're aliens.

rigid pecan
#

very very much a criticism of imperialist america I think

lone pike
#

Thematically they feel like the Combine from HL

random prism
rigid pecan
#

I can see that

rigid pecan
#

what the early colonies and US did, and still do today to Native Americans and their ancestral lands is horrific

random prism
#

Again, not the first nor the largest, even currently.

rigid pecan
#

well we're still imperialist, actually

#

we have a few "colonies," they're just not called that

#

wait is political discussion forbidden here?

#

this isn't exactly anything controversial but I wanna err on the side of caution

#

I don't see it skimming through rules but just wanna make sure

tawdry forge
#

does anyone happen to have an extra invite code to spare? i was hoping to get in to play with my girlfriend

random prism
#

I was responding to Rynzier's immediately previous statement, pls read context before jumping in to a conversation.

#

And for someone who just said this isn't the place to discuss politics, which it isn't, you seem eager to immediately jump into them.

#

Regardless, as you literally just said, this is not the place.

tawdry forge
rigid pecan
#

uhm can a mod confirm whether or not such conversation is alright?

random prism
#

I don't think IRL politics are appropriate for a game discord, and if nothing else it'd fall under wildly off-topic.

lyric wraith
#

guys i got 1 code for warframe melee skin any1 need?

lone pike
#

I hate when people draw present day politics into my drood william wallace power fantasy

lyric wraith
#

times changes, people not

alpine prism
#

i mean it's history

rigid pecan
#

where does the game output crash logs

#

its crashed twice today

white otter
#

so yeah

#

a... was intending to respond to Rynzier's msg above that SootNervous

white otter
rigid pecan
white otter
#

hm...

#

just first time that happening? been fine before?

rigid pecan
#

it's happened twice today

#

once yesterday

#

never b4 that

white otter
#

any multiplayer stuff?

random prism
#

Hue.

white otter
lyric wraith
white otter
#

._.

#

context

rigid pecan
#

yeah

#

I'm in co-op with 1 friend

#

I'm host

#

their game did not freeze, they just got host migrated

lyric wraith
#

man coop is kinda old thing

white otter
#

hmmm....

random prism
#

Are they using Orengall?

#

Just checking lol.

rigid pecan
#

oh

#

wait what? my party member is using orengall

#

is there a known crash involving orengall?

random prism
#

Having summoned wolves out randomly hardlocks people in MP.

lyric wraith
#

waht is orengall?

random prism
#

It's been like that since at least P12.

quiet spindle
#

Oh rip

white otter
# lyric wraith coop

was asking if Rynzier had done any multiplayer stuff to figure out the crashing cause, not if there is multiplayer in the game MoteLook
i been playin this for 2 years

lone pike
quiet spindle
#

I just started using it

rigid pecan
#

i think that's it

#

lmao

#

does orengall crash if the host uses it? or just players

random prism
#

Both. I've crashed from my friend using while they were hosting.

#

I thought host was immune actually, apparently not.

#

Since you were hosting and it hit you anyway.

quiet spindle
#

Any issue with single player crashing?

random prism
#

I believe it's specifically the summoned wolves existing though, so you could... technically still play it? Lol.

rigid pecan
#

but they never saw a crash while I was using orengall

random prism
white otter
rigid pecan
#

still as host

white otter
#

i don't even remember the last time i crashed

quiet spindle
#

Mkay

white otter
#

exclusively solo really

random prism
clear badger
#

Does charge rate affects the Hail of Arrows ?

random prism
#

Sometimes I could play with them in the plains just fine for a while.

white otter
#

i... don't think it does

random prism
#

Dungeon? Crash in two minutes.

white otter
#

lmao

safe quail
#

soulframe fighters:

CapitalismCamel vs SteveSoon

pearl beacon
#

probably gotta go capitalism just cos we've got 2 other steves as backup

random prism
#

I have now experienced 30 T3 votives without a single Seathorn frag dropped.

#

I am going to commit die.

white otter
#

i call... WEAK

white ginkgo
#

Do people still have a hard time with Avex?

white otter
#

who what why? Bromius

white ginkgo
#

Avex. The bow from The Organ. Do people still find it difficult to obtain it?

random prism
#

I mean, I have 12 frags left over from when I was farming for the armor.

#

Compared to 28 Falx frags.

white ginkgo
#

more avex than falx lol

pearl beacon
#

Yeah I think anyone who has ever farmed for Wazzard set will not have a hard time with Avex because it'll happen automatically

But anyone focus farming Avex who doesn't care about Wazzard might find it medium-difficulty, certainly not Seathorn/Dewelion/Gath level or anything though

white otter
random prism
#

31 T3 votives now.

#

Still no Seathorn frag.

white ginkgo
#

I got them all within a week, but my RNG is generally very good

white otter
#

i ain't got any knowledge if people be sufferin with the avex still AvaWicked

white ginkgo
#

I have two extra lmao

white otter
#

now i got curious

white ginkgo
#

I still have two extra juniper fragments, for whatever reason

#

I have zero clue how I have extra

white otter
#

i have 3 ShrimpEyes

white ginkgo
#

I've never played the song for the statue

marsh fox
#

holding Q doesnt seem like it does much. I cant really tell if spectral sight is working or not

white otter
#

if it looks like there's a wave of light going away from you in all directions, it's working

#

or even some foliage moves when you press it

marsh fox
#

nah it just seems like nothing happens at all xD

white otter
#

but yeah it doesn't do a lot.
just shows you interactable things, puzzle pieces, objectives and stuff like that

marsh fox
#

there isnt any visual change when I hold Q or anything

white otter
#

then you might be bugged

#

might need to restart game or relog or somethin

white ginkgo
#

When was juniper moved to the statues?

white otter
#

been there since it was added MoteLook

white ginkgo
white otter
white ginkgo
#

I've never used the statues yet I have it, so it must not be true

white otter
#

ain't ever dropped from a chest

white ginkgo
#

That's from the P7 patch notes

white otter
#

yeah nah i can't remember it ever dropping from anything other than the stump statues

white ginkgo
#

I honestly do not remember how i got it

static tide
#

"special chest" was how they avoided spoiling how to get it (which was a bit of a secret at the time)

white ginkgo
#

I must be gaslighting myself, i guess

static tide
#

it was only the one specific musical statuette thing at that hut, at the time

white ginkgo
#

AH

#

that was it

#

that's why i have extra fragments, i remember now

#

You played it right outside the door to the hut

river wind
#

anybody need a code ? Got two left. Not sure if you still need on or everyone can playtest rn

unkempt hollow
#

I would really like one 🙂

river wind
#

sent dm

vale idol
#

alright I'm gonna uninstall and reinstall Soulframe

river wind
#

got one left if anybody wants access

vale idol
#

let's see if that fixes my freezing issue

muted owl
#

Today’s irl Soulframe

flat pulsar
#

BEAST

analog plover
river wind
#

sent

visual wagon
# rigid pecan uhm can a mod confirm whether or not such conversation is alright?

We try to keep off-topic conversations to a minimum, especially anything involving politics. Everyone has their own views, but political topics can quickly become controversial and lead to real-life disagreements that derail the chat. For this reason, we ask that politics not be discussed here, or linked massively to the games ecosystem. PrayVakot

pearl beacon
#

Okay this is going to be slightly niche but has anyone noticed that the icon DE use for the 'Founders Benefits' button on the new account management page

#

Is actually just a monotone version of the Hollowing rune? SootHype

quick tangle
muted owl
warm igloo
#

This is a curious sign

frosty ore
warm igloo
#

😂

marsh fox
#

so my main quest says to charm an animal for its totem. How do I do that? I think I have 3 totems on a weapon already

hollow herald
frosty ore
#

very important you dont mess it up otherwise it explodes.

#

so play it correctly 🙂

marsh fox
#

tyy

safe quail
warm igloo
#

Well, you also get totems from freeing animals from cages

solemn cairn
#

since duelo gives its pact in 3 fragments along its fable, is it possible to buy the other fragments from avakot without completing the fable?

hushed rampart
#

I wonder if DE will ever give us new fly blades

#

we should get something like throwing axes

feral fractal
#

That'd be sick

#

Or just a set of throwing spears

hushed rampart
#

oooh javelin side arm

frosty ore
#

hear me out:

#

whip sword. (aka the urumi.)

#

And heavy attacks can chain between enemies (maybe extend to whip types in general tbh)

fast crescent
charred crag
#

wait when is the envoy hour happening? for me it said "Tomorrow 6am" yesterday. now it says Tomorrow 6am again 😂

frosty ore
#

it aint tomorrow for another 4 minutes

#

at least over here.

charred crag
#

i was about to say for you maybe, it's 2pm for me LOL

frosty ore
#

yea it has to be tomorrow for them.
-# Universal time zone when?

#

someone vanished

#

they missed their lesson on spanish

#

And now they shall perish

cold blaze
loud glade
#

Getting Stock Orsts from level 80+ Cogah Officers and Gawth is such a slap in the face....screw this system seriously

muted owl
somber portal
#

TwT i changed my tag from prelude to soul and i cant put back on prelude

#

nooooo

#

whered it go 😭

charred crag
#

Yeah was PRLD the old tag or something? Or is it a private server?

somber portal
#

the tag from the old Soulframe Preludes server

#

it was basically retired when they merged with the main (this) server

#

but the tag was still usable

#

only changed it because it vanished from my friend's perspective, and since i cant put it back, i think they removed the tag. My highly specific flex TwT

charred crag
#

Daaaaaang

somber portal
#

The discussion where it was brought up and I changed it

charred crag
#

XXL

somber portal
#

server roll

#

basically saying i yap a lot

charred crag
#

x)

somber portal
#

i miss my highly specific flex

cold blaze
frosty ore
#

I thing Wyrv got evaporated

#

F in the chat.

safe quail
frosty ore
#

Tied in with the omen croaker and it just might work.

safe quail
#

If Vermina watches the Ratatoulle movie, do you think she'll like it?

somber portal
#

shed probably cry at the blatant ratcism

real jewel
#

can someone explain what joineries are and what they do?

#

also i just watched a brozime video and he said pensive armor is currently the best is that so? i was thinking of crafting mestras armor since i got the duelo pact recently

restive coyote
somber portal
#

if i cant type a swear, i dont want to have an image with a swear

restive coyote
somber portal
#

it just means i yap a lot TwT

restive coyote
#

You people are an odd bunch for sure

somber portal
#

36000 messages

#

to get that one

amber wraith
#

I wanted to ask, how is the onboarding experience right now? Would I need to do some research beforehand or just let the game guide me?

somber portal
#

game does a good job explaining itself for the most part

restive coyote
#

You may want to use the wiki for some things though

amber wraith
#

Alright, thanks

real jewel
somber portal
#

Kairness and rovgot motes my arch enemy

real jewel
#

sir nox could you explain what joineries do

#

ive been getting a lot of them but i dont know what they are or how they work

somber portal
#

they add more scaling to the weapon. requires tuvulkane level 2. itll be one of the options at the top

restive coyote
real jewel
somber portal
#

or 3 damage if you have the obsolete and terrible ones from before they were virtue scaling

somber portal
real jewel
#

right thats nice

somber portal
#

and it doesnt need to be max level

restive coyote
restive coyote
real jewel
#

ok so lets say i put on a joinery on my ivor, it will then have 2 courage virtues instead of 1? just an example idk how many it has rn

somber portal
#

yes

real jewel
#

ok ok

restive coyote
somber portal
#

i wonder if ill ever be able to sell the old joineries to collectors

restive coyote
#

Most likely

real jewel
#

and ok so i am building orengall, i will soon build duelo too, i started as tethren and wyld, which virtue do each of these pacts correspond to? tethren is pure courage i take it, what about the rest

restive coyote
somber portal
real jewel
somber portal
#

most likely more

#

ive got 53 of one type

restive coyote
real jewel
somber portal
#

orengall howl ability also boosts grace, so it should be grace in general

restive coyote
#

Also cosmetics if you care about that

real jewel
#

oh hell yeah i do part of the reason i picked orengall i love that arm

#

i think ill start building like properly now ive just been going about randomly so far but i think i can try properly building each pact, what would be the best build for tethren lets say?

somber portal
#

all of my pacts give me courage

real jewel
#

you go full in courage for all pacts?

somber portal
#

except oscelda

real jewel
#

interesting so thats a way too

somber portal
real jewel
#

can i dm you?

low geode
#

what if they made an awesome pact and called it the ones i use

tulip tapir
#

I just got "the invincible" in Warframe yay

tulip tapir
versed plaza
#

ayyy just smoked a little j to wake up 2 xD now im just rewatching harry potter for no reason lol

tulip tapir
versed plaza
#

dam xD been a min i need to rewatch it lol

tulip tapir
#

I just know its scary movie

versed plaza
#

yeah prob was in it but idk. but if i may one question tho i heard i can get in the game after watching the dev stream for a certin amount of time is that true ?

tulip tapir
#

I mean i guess, idk, i haven't been keeping up

#

Dm me.

late raven
#

Will P15 land before the devstream?

strong galleon
#

can't get the circade to spawn I have three pendants and doing them at the right times. I gotten him spawn for blue and red but can get green on to spwan in.

charred crag
late raven
#

🥲

desert arrow
#

Yo yo yo hows everyone doing

#

Does anyone have any information on how to get a code to play the game

desert arrow
#

Thank you so much!

cold blaze
frosty ore
#

omg they lived

near timber
#

Salut, un français perrais me MP pour m'expliqué 2 3 truc sur le jeu s'il vous plaît ?

frosty ore
#

(translated btw)

visual wagon
#

Please keep chat to English only. Thanks

runic jasper
#

this is what he said in french

desert arrow
#

The game looks so good i cant wait for the stream later im hyped

frosty ore
#

Personne ici ne parle français. J'utilise un traducteur pour cela > No one here speaks French. I am using a translator for this.

#

anyways, time to hop on soulf

cold blaze
frosty ore
#

tho dont try to hide anything funny

visual wagon
cold blaze
cold blaze
versed plaza
desert arrow
versed plaza
#

yesss sirrrr just got gifted a code and this game is so good u gotta hop on when u can

desert arrow
#

100% it looks hella fun im down i just gotta wait i think for the stream so i wont be playing for a min sadly

#

hows the game going for you tho?

midnight perch
#

13E9-CD44-9B52-569A

#

Go crazy

#

:)

desert arrow
midnight perch
#

Ofc dear, I'm always happy to help another Envoy gain access!

desert arrow
#

YOURE AWESOME I HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO PLAY WITH HIM IN A MIN LETS GOOO!!

midnight perch
#

Ayy, now you can XDD

desert arrow
#

Thank you Thank you i appreciate it so much

versed plaza
midnight perch
jade quarry
#

hey people

midnight perch
#

Hey person :)

jade quarry
#

question for you all

versed plaza
#

yall so dope

midnight perch
#

This game really does have a solid community

desert arrow
#

yes the community is extremely nice

jade quarry
#

do you think we can get the devs to drop this in a huge paywall microtransaction and actually release for a set price? instead of days and days of waiting for armor pieces

desert arrow
#

probably one of the best out there in my opinion

jade quarry
#

ik the hype around crimson desert but ive had 5 people who have never touched either game but watched it and they said why would i not play crimson desert where basically same game same abilites just soulframe has better story

feral socket
#

i just saw this game on tiktok and is there any other way to get a code instead of waiting for streams?

midnight perch
somber portal
#

Cant wait for p15. Only stuff I have left to do is specifically kairness and rovgot history motes

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Both of which are cancerous

jade quarry
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i think if they released this game not as an RPG live service action roleplaying game and release it as a soulslike rpg it would be so much better

midnight perch
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The things like this are why I don't get my mote game up lol

midnight perch
jade quarry
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gaming community is so mad with live service and they can tank their game if they follow the bad trend right now ( Greed )

somber portal
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Theres also a chance you can get a code just by watching this chat. A lot of folk give them away

jade quarry
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back inna the warframe academy days it was cool but it is burnt out

somber portal
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I gave away 10 codes just last week, id give you one if I had more. I gotta wait for the stream

midnight perch
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For real. I remeber when games would go months between updates. Years even sometimes. I do like live service, but some people just don't have the patience anymore for anything that doesn't get updated every 2 weeks and have a battlepass XD

feral socket
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ill be on the lookout! i dont think i got the email code but ill be watching out for codes!

feral socket
jade quarry
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sorry devs love this game just please don't follow warframe route we excited for something fresh on full full release

somber portal
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Cant wait to get jumped by Excalibur Warframe sometime in soulframe (never gonna happen)

midnight perch
somber portal
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Told you, lot of folk give them away

midnight perch
somber portal
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I personally dm them so lurkers dont snipe em. I doubt that would happen, im just paranoid

midnight perch
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Ahh yeah

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I forgot about that, there will always be bums

somber portal
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I still have a bunch of the envoy sphere longsword codes

midnight perch
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fr XD

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Might install warframe just to claim one

somber portal
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Sadly those dont carry the same weight as the access code

jade quarry
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this is a better hogwarts legacy

feral socket
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downloading rn!!

midnight perch
somber portal
somber portal
midnight perch
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Does the login work the same was as soul? I play through steam, not sure if it would just use a steam login or a dedicated wf login

somber portal
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Steam should work fine

midnight perch
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On a side note, what on Earth just shuffled itself into my playlist XDDD

somber portal
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Lmao

midnight perch
jade quarry
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oh no

somber portal
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I got metal playing atm

midnight perch
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it kinda slaps tbh lol. It's a stupid song, but it's funny lol

surreal basalt
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Definetely prefer alestorm

midnight perch
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Alestorm good too

jade quarry
midnight perch
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I like em all, Rumahoy is a personal favorite because they're funny XD

jade quarry
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Check this out! @midnight perch donkey kong remix

surreal basalt
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Paddy and the rats is also neat

midnight perch
midnight perch
jade quarry
midnight perch
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XD

somber portal
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If anyone wants a skin for your swords in warframe

midnight perch
surreal basalt
jade quarry
midnight perch
surreal basalt
somber portal
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Neither can I. I havent played warframe since follie release

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And since they removed stat-sticks, I rarely use a melee weapon

surreal basalt
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Heavy scythes and sparring weapons are my favourites in warframe

jade quarry
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Gaming dog going hard in her seat😆

midnight perch
somber portal
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I had my cat watching me play 2 days ago

surreal basalt
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Very well behaved, mine would be laying on the keyboard given the chance

somber portal
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He was on my lap. Had my lap not been available, it would've been keyboard

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He likes the warmth

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And my laptop struggles to play games in general, so it gets really hot

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Page reloaded and I forgot to reselect 16g ram when I purchased it, so it has a measly 8g ram

surreal basalt
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Oof

somber portal
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Runs fine on medium settings surprisingly

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Occasional stutters when logging in or leaving dungeons

jade quarry
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She barely has gaming manners i was in a tournament she doing this 😆 @surreal basalt

surreal basalt
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Lol

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My grandpa's dog does that during family lunch

pine narwhal
midnight perch
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I must say the sounds for the paragon are amazing lol, it sounds like I'm smacking people with an I-beam and I love it

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My gigantic chunk of metal <3

split hill
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have the removed the consumeable for virtues changing yet?

split hill
frosty ore
jade quarry
frosty ore
jade quarry
random prism
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I have finished setting up my new laptop and am updating Soulframe.

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I shall soon experience it with even greater power.

random prism
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I went from a 4060 to a 5070 and twice the RAM, I assume I'll be fine.

frosty ore
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spicy.

pine narwhal
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What am I supposed to do with the spirit of Fenn Jotar in the Undercities ?

zinc forge
pine narwhal
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I did already

zinc forge
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he'll give you a rune if you finish the dungeon

pine narwhal
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Okkk

modest dune
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I still remember when he gave a permanent buff throughout the whole dungeon

fervent swallow
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What’s the easiest way to unlock a bow quickly if I didn’t start as the archer class?

solid fable
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i think the earliest way is to get a blueprint from the faction
unless one of the intro quests still gives you the other two weapons...

stone cliff
hushed rampart
feral fractal
solid fable
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right, but i'm not sure if it still needs you to level up the blacksmith before you can make it

cold blaze
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If there isn't a cutscene of Fenn Jotar soloing an entire army of Cassids in the future, I'm kicking every Ode child I see

silver kestrel
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what's the worst they're gonna do?

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kill you?

late ginkgo
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maybe if they overwhelm them with numbers

silver kestrel
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simply more ode to kick

cold blaze
pallid dew
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what are the best armours for spirit builds?