game-discussion

[median holly]

That's true, I forgot about the market, valid point

[icy dirge]

i can see why youre a pizza guy cause youre too stupid to have a real job LOL

[burnt moon]

I'd love to go back to playtest 2 man @coarse portal

[ocean gale]

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[coarse portal]

No it doesn't lol this game doesn't have combat skill like other melee games so just stop that. Right now its the same thing as getting gear checked. You just one tap most classes with 2 handed weapons. But now there's no expression in builds at all. If you had skill before you didn't need gear to kill some juice player. Most of the time it was luck or you timed it just right thats it.

[nimble ledge]

the timmys wont:(

[icy dirge]

uh oh look out guys @ocean gale the hall monitor is calling for the teacher LOL

[green phoenix]

So you admit you need crutches to compete. 😂

I was winning before the wipe, during the wipe, and I’ll be winning after you gear up and still get clapped.

Keep dreaming, bro — no amount of loot gonna patch a broken skillset.
#AllGearNoFear
#YouCan’tPatchTalent

[median holly]

How can you argue that there's no gear and also that there's gear check at the same time? This is a genuine question

[icy dirge]

umm excuse me warden?? 🤓 someone here is being problematic 🤓

[green phoenix]

Says the guy roleplaying a gladiator in a balance patch like it's his big break. 💀
Talkin’ about "real jobs" while beefing on Discord over Bluestone shards — go touch some patch notes.

I’d rather deliver pizzas than deliver excuses every time I lose.
Stay mad, future leaderboard spectator. 🍕

#MinimumWageMindset
#OutskilledAndOuttipped

[nimble ledge]

hes arguing that the skill expression at the highest lvl of the game, is now th skill expression all across since everyones 1 tap. please learn to read. although i disagree with that statement

[burnt moon]

nobody will take a look at the steam reviews and say hey im gonna try this out

[ocean gale]

"damn this game is mostly negative, must be a pretty good game"

[nimble ledge]

are you defending this update??

[icy dirge]

my weapon purple weapon does more damage than your green one that means i'm more skillful 🤓 -pizza guy

[burnt moon]

exactly, before it was positive , hence even at the start it was overwhelming positive, now its mostly negative lmao

[manic scaffold]

No I would ask that as well cause there isn't

[green phoenix]

LMAOOO imagine thinking your weapon’s color equals skill 💀
"Purple weapon = pro gamer" — bro just admitted his carry comes from pixels, not performance.

Keep flexing that Barney-colored crutch while I 2-tap you with half your gear.
Skill isn’t purple, and neither is your place on the leaderboard. Stay delusional.

Also, your rent's due in Bluestone shards.
#Gearcarried
#BuiltLikeALootGoblin
#OutplayedByAPizzaGuy 🍕

[nimble ledge]

i cant beat a person with purple gear becasause i only have greens-person whos dogshi* at the game

[fading garnet]

Did you not loot before the patch ?
You could always kill people in better stuff than you 😅
You are making it sound like you are just bad at the game and need everyone to get 1 or 2 tapped to kill them

[gilded gorge]

tbh at this point, the only thread I see with these changes is increasingly making the game cheaper to maintain in terms of servers. It's like SDF no longer wants to maintain the game.

[nimble ledge]

its not there fault they decided to prepare better and bring better gear LMAO. just do the same.

[burnt moon]

he made the money to pay nexon, now he's taking it down bits after bits

[icy dirge]

gearcucks losing their minds in here over the concept of a fair fight LOL

[nimble ledge]

shitter who cant get good gear to play the game at a high lvl.

[green phoenix]

“Fair fight” says the guy who needed a dev-enforced naked lobby just to break even. 💀
You’re not built for balance — you’re built for beta testing.

Keep preaching “fairness” while praying no one finds gear again. We’ll see how “fair” it feels when the skill gap opens back up and you’re right back in the death feed.

#FairFightMyAss
#BalancePatchChampion
#BetaBuiltAndPatch-Propped

[burnt moon]

slowly but surely,

[median holly]

Not really, this is basically an test on live server, having no rolls, low HP and Hit kills isn't good, but at the same time It's only temporary so "It's okay", if they had solved the test server problem long ago this wouldn't be happening.
You see me fighting people trashing the game because they're mostly saying stupid things

[nimble ledge]

did ironmace say this is a test?

[fading garnet]

You can have a full purple kit and get killed in 2 hits by a squire kit

Fights should be fair when you have the same stuff on
Not fair no matter what you wear
You should have an advantage because you have better stuff ?
Idk how that dosnt make sense to you

[icy dirge]

grinding gear for hours from incredibly easy PVE makes you good at the game guys 🤓

[green phoenix]

Bro really said farming easy PvE = easy gear = no skill… while flexing his purple loot like it was a diploma 💀

You can’t have it both ways, my guy. Either gear matters and you got carried, or gear doesn’t and you're just mid regardless.
Pick a lane before you get run over by actual PvP players.

You call PvE easy, but still needed a wipe to level the playing field. That’s not skill. That’s a dev-assisted participation medal.

#PurpleLootPurpleBrain
#Can’tFarmCan’tFight
#PatchBuiltPeasant

[manic scaffold]

#fighter message

[nimble ledge]

yikes, but heres the thing. theres players aswell. and if u were a good player you would be able to kill them, i run with purples and i 1v1ed multiple unique bissers. with 4 true mag and violas. like just get better. stop blaming it on gear

[median holly]

If don't want a serious answer don't ask, It's hard to differentiate losers from normal people in this chat so by default I usually try to answer in a civil tone.

[fading garnet]

Most people in this game only PvP
That’s why everyone is gone

[limber badge]

Nerf rogue

[green phoenix]

REVERT REVERT REVERT REVERT REVERT

[icy dirge]

nerf rogue 80hp is too much 🤓

[nimble ledge]

Holy shit you sound like a fat nerd, just give me the answer.

[median holly]

Font: Comic Sans.

[calm salmon]

"let me get a dungeon crawler extraction game with no progression system except the loot, hold the loot, and make sure the dungeon isn't too interesting, if it's spicy it'll give me acid reflux"
-sdf

[sturdy valve]

🤓 👆

[burnt moon]

the game went to shit, because of sdf's vision , because also everything needs to go throughout him too , slowing down everything , we were supposed to have quivers 2 years ago ... same for backpacks, wands etc etc etc , so many promesses to ended up getting taken away 90% of the game, one patch

[ocean gale]

Brother no you don't, you insult 98% of the people you respond too good lord. Same shit different day dude

[median holly]

Why would I?
"Fat nerd", so you basically are saying that I'm smarter than you? Okay I can live with that, It isn't much but we take free W

[icy dirge]

i believe the word you are looking for is "to"

[fading garnet]

Yeah I’m with ya
It’s just these 2 guys trying to convince everyone otherwise 😂

[ocean gale]

Oh good job you got me, aw man how am I gonna sleep at night now

[astral light]

1v3 will never be fair nor was it meant to, i just miss solos

[icy dirge]

i only got you cause your 3rd grade english teacher clearly didn't LOL

[median holly]

I don't have time for your Mr I'm a nice guy, go hug your safety teddybear in the corner

[ocean gale]

These are some pretty sad insults dude, let me know when you come up with something better

[fading garnet]

@icy dirge you are coping as hard as it gets
Everyone is laughing at you
It’s discord not a spelling bee

[nimble ledge]

rather be dumb and goodlooking that fat and a dork. smart@sses are to dumb to realise lookism is real.

[icy dirge]

"It's discord not a solely bee" - @fading garnet , 2025

[rough drum]

just popped in to say the game feels incredibly bad, doing my part

[fading garnet]

Ah shiiit

[ocean gale]

I wish my life was this sad. Just sitting in discord collecting glory from "winning" arguments with people I have never met before by throwing insults, but eh.

[icy dirge]

(edited) 🤓

[median holly]

Not even the most skilled interrogator could make me type that, I'm impressed

[fading garnet]

I see you are very clever
My smart little man

[ocean gale]

I think you need to go back to like, what? 2008? When was the grammar police popular? Ever? Idk man like I said earlier get back to me when you have something better than this

[icy dirge]

rather be dumb and goodlooking that fat and a dork. smart@sses are to dumb to realise lookism is real.

[nimble ledge]

BAHAHAHAHAHHA ur insults are so dumb, make a funny joke u fat f@ck of a man.

[vivid shadow]

@zinc sparrow are you guys gonna implement the test server changes this morning?

[nimble ledge]

NO QUIVERS - NO NEW SKILLS - NO INVENTORY GUY
NO NEW WEAPONS - NO NEW SPELLS
NO BLOCKING FIX - NO BACKPACKS +3 AXE MASTERY +5 AXE MASTERY +3 AXE MASTERY +5 AXE MASTERY
17 MORE ZOMBIE RE SKINS
ADD CIRCLE REMOVE CIRCLE ADD CIRCLE REMOVE IT
NO GUILDS - NO GOOD QUESTS
BACK STEP STILL IN THE GAME - 30 DEAD PERKS
NO MONK - NO PALADIN
NO WATER MAP - NO GUNS - NO TENTACLE BOSS
NO TRAINING SYSTEM - NO SKILL TREES
NO REASON TO ENGAGE WITH RELIGION
NO UNIQUE ARENA HALF THE CRAFTED GEAR IS USELESS
NO MINTED ARENA - NO ARTIFACTS - NO ARENA REWARDS | BRING BACK ARENAS
430k discord members. 2k in game. L + Ratio
MORE NDA'S LESS CONTENT
Dog water game, 100%.
SDF vision!!!

[median holly]

At this point this is just sad man, don't worry you can get smarter just study and everything will be okay

[icy dirge]

dog water 🤓

[fading garnet]

I cant imaging defending something so hard just to be wrong in the end

[tired ferry]

since you all hate this game now you should all go play smarter than a 5th grader

[icy dirge]

here's my list of complaints no one cares about please read sdf 🤓

[haughty gorge]

Ty @glad thunder

[burnt moon]

we dont hate the game we hate what it has become

[nimble ledge]

my iq is 143 bro. im not dumb, i just like making fun of losers like u defending s d f.

[fading garnet]

Nah I like winning

[tired ferry]

you actually think you know your own iq? interesting

[icy dirge]

i whine endlessly in discord about an in development game in early access that i'm probably playing for free 🤓

[haughty gorge]

All ur fault @glad thunder im crying

[wintry saddle]

SDF vigor 1, strength 1 ego 1000000000000000

[nimble ledge]

Tested 2 yrs ago.

[burnt moon]

you can do an iq test with a neuropsychologist

[fading garnet]

If someone does a iq test (I don’t even know how that’s done) and they got told there iq was x amount
Wouldn’t they then know there own iq ?

[median holly]

Don't despair yet my friend, there's hope for the next season, coming soon

[nimble ledge]

we pray twin.

[haughty gorge]

😭 😭 😭

[tired ferry]

thats the funniest thing ive heard today. thank you for the laugh

[burnt moon]

just hit next , midnight walkers is coming , arc raiders is coming

[round jackal]

wild that there has been this much complaining since the patch and theyve acknowledged nothing or is changing back

[fading garnet]

Something to think about

[nimble ledge]

@tired ferry yeah, i agree, think about this oldball.

[haughty gorge]

I just cant live without dnd

[tired ferry]

guys i called a nuorologistis and they said my iq is 69

[icy dirge]

LOL seriously. this ESL has a "143 IQ" but he's losing discord arguments to @median holly . something doesn't add up here bros

[burnt moon]

they dont care lmao, all they care is paying back nexon and that's it

[nimble ledge]

im not even argueing him, but im down too, but rather something better. like theology:)

[tired ferry]

well iq doesnt measure debate skills. it only meausres made up stuff

[fading garnet]

🤣🤣
@median holly have you been told your iq yet ?

[icy dirge]

sdf is based are realized that all of your opinions are re****ed so he stopped listening LOL

[nimble ledge]

sdf is getting sucked off by men like u blowing his ego.

[icy dirge]

yeah so what it's pride month do you have a problem with sucking off other dudes?

[fading garnet]

I wished someone glazed me as hard as you two do Sdf 😢

[nimble ledge]

god does 😉

[icy dirge]

we have a bigot on our hands here folks someone alert the mods

[median holly]

Not trying to help him, but I literally fight people for fun in the discord, I don't know the IQ thing, but I'm good at annoying people and arguing @fading garnet

[tired ferry]

apparently iq measure how bad you are at arguing on discord forums

[ornate oak]

iq dont mean shit if ur 400lbs and afraid to touch grass

[flint yacht]

iq measures how likely you are going to mention iq

[hexed folio]

Game is dead

[nimble ledge]

i agree twin, thats why im not f@cking fat, and wrestle.

[unreal seal]

Is this why the game is dead?

[fading garnet]

🤝

[tired ferry]

yea remember that loser in the wheelchair. he had like a million iq but wow he was a loser

[flint yacht]

stephen hawking?

[median holly]

This is a clear win for OldBall

[haughty gorge]

Just bring back random stats @glad thunder thats it

[barren ingot]

There is no hope anymore, that died a year or so ago now. Games slowly lost playerbase for the longest time and all that was left were all the OGs who couldn’t let go. Now even they are sick and tired of the bs and this game gonna get what it truly deserves due to quite literally 1 single developer…… crazy right

[unreal seal]

And solos

[nimble ledge]

yeah but he couldnt live life with all that iq could he?

[tired ferry]

how does one kill that which has no life?

[ornate oak]

also wasn't 400lbs so not sure what his point was

[median holly]

Jesus this bring me back memories, such an old meme, golden era of south park btw

[flint yacht]

i swear on all of yalls lives sdf will make the game better

[fading garnet]

Would you really want to be him tho ?

[ocean gale]

Steven went to the do not be named Island.... I don't think anyone should be like him

[granite perch]

anyway fk u sdf

[barren ingot]

We might aswell start digging now my boi

[forest pilot]

Good evening people, are we still playing this game?

[nimble ledge]

no gladly:)

[burnt moon]

haven't touched it in a minute

[south copper]

yea ive been playing today, had a great time pvping

[median holly]

No jokes, I respect the random guys who come in here curse at SDF then just leave forever, they're the real ones.

[fading garnet]

Straight up your fault the timer just got extended @granite perch

[mossy adder]

I still miss 3x3 gobbos 😢

[faint bough]

1 modifier on green 1 higher modifier on blue 2 lower on purple

[barren ingot]

Wait for the announcement next week when everything’s reverted back to how it was

[median holly]

No joke that sounds like hell

[calm salmon]

"let me get a dungeon crawler extraction game with no progression system except the loot, hold the loot, and make sure the dungeon isn't too interesting, if it's spicy it'll give me acid reflux"
-sdf

[nimble ledge]

1 for greens 2 for purples and blues, and 3 for legendarts and uniques

[runic basalt]

I don't normally weigh in because theres no real point to it, but I just really want to express how terrible all of the changes of this latest update are. please just roll it back so we can have fun again.

[faint bough]

3 too disparaging. just 2 with lower / higher values. no true or movespeeds

[thick notch]

Only 1 roll but u can have better value, green +1 ~> unique +5
The gap isnt much but i will feel better

[solar flame]

My friends and I have not played Dark since the game was updated. Although this is the opinion of a small number of people, it also reflects how bad this update is.

[nimble ledge]

yeah i thought of that yesterday, i dont know why sdf couldnt have just down a modifier squish instead of ridding them

[fluid arrow]

@zinc sparrow if you nerf players you gotta nerf mobs too im playing barb and fighter getting 1 tapped by ghost king and mobs, the mobs are harder to fight than the fuckin players

[rapid marsh]

What’s a good Bard Setup? Want to try to learn him.

[thick notch]

Imagine u play rogue and wiz rn haha

[regal minnow]

There is no point to playing anymore.

[median holly]

#bard try looking for guides there, the bois over there can help you, if you can see the channel go up in channels and tags and select the Bard tag of the classes

[ocean gale]

I tried Wizard and I got really sad. Wizard hasn't felt super viable since the introduction of Sorc tho tbh

[wintry saddle]

not in this wipe

[dusk kindle]

Ironhammer: Lets add +5 true dmg, +5 all, + 20 movement speed. After that, lets say random modifiers are "broken" so we get rid off everything.

[thick notch]

I would love to try and adapt to the VISION, but the drop rate is tooooo low man. Cant find items to build characters, only white treasures, nothing but boring gears, HR cost 100g while low drop rate. The fun of this game is gear progression, stash with full of gold coins. Rightnow, it just like a BR, nothing much

[raw pelican]

ur so cringe. probally trash in dad aswell

[sly adder]

I’m alittle early

[tired ferry]

aight guys everyone just relax. its just a game

[trail shale]

every day is no dark day boss

[echo void]

Is the server down or is the game just that dead that the player count is less than 3000

[atomic condor]

that's the very real player count

[dusky spruce]

Turns out when you sabotage your game on purpose, its pretty effective

[calm copper]

why do i feel like a lot of people are WALLING

[olive light]

I’m loving this semi-wipe. Keep up the good work Ironmace 🤜

[craggy sun]

3500 people total on the game right now. nice work iron mace

[past bear]

When next patch/wipe?

[dusk kindle]

So you dont have to pay enormous amounts of fines and taxes because no one is playing anymore.

[dusky spruce]

Given the servers have around a 100 to 150ms delay within your own region, i assumed they were already saving costs by using the worst service imaginable.

[cyan spindle]

They will revert part of this patch, dont stress

[brave snow]

yup

[royal sparrow]

L pregnant devs

[normal solar]

melee BR with extra steps what have we done

[brave snow]

@glad thunder

[rustic oar]

lol

[quick trail]

i would rather revert the game to 50% demons glee fighters than this

[spark skiff]

@zinc sparrow can u pretty please make torture mastery basekit

[hardy stump]

I feel like you're coping at this point, thinking there will be revert is naive to say the least

[mellow ice]

They’ve already said that they will bring back rolls, but this period now is to balance base gear before bringing that stuff back. Hopefully we end up with no true, no ms, no +all. Just stat rolls makes most sense to me. That said the game could be completely dead by then.

[compact badger]

\

[quasi gorge]

When is SDF resigning

[shell root]

2k players in game 1k in lobby afk 💀

[frigid knoll]

@glad thunder stop drugs bro

[solid plaza]

i like steam reviews overwhelmingly negative xD

[eager carbon]

Just came back, why is there no solo? Did they really remove it?

[grand swallow]

Chat is there a patch today ?

[royal sparrow]

L pregnant devs

[odd grail]

make the game great again

[rare oracle]

+1 axe damage. Circle added back in

[grand swallow]

Next patch prego gobo 😈

[twin sapphire]

Is anyone on? How many players does it show are online/in the dungeon

[short valley]

My friend just said there’s about 3k online

[calm lion]

This game is so dead

[old cave]

from 57K on steam release , to 2k with the last update , THE VISION

[lean parrot]

still wont stop me from sniping

[vapid pine]

under 2k

[brazen grotto]

All this is going down the drain cause SDF wont admit a mistake

[cosmic swan]

@glad thunder pls quit

[crimson robin]

Hes probably doing this on purpose to generate awareness on this hoping someone will buy the rights to the game off him to pay off legal fees he got no choice

[vapid pine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1lnry83/the_current_state_of_dark_and_darker/

[civic elk]

are there any plans to rollback last month changes when game is loosing so many players?

[fringe cliff]

nah theyre just sending it

[barren ingot]

nope im just right thats what it is

[hardy stump]

yeah, that's def a cope, specifically "denial" stage of grief

[cosmic swan]

Nope, SDF think he's better and smarter than the other (that's include us AND the other dev at Ironmace #the-tavern message) so as long as he don't quit he's going to keep killing the game

[brazen grotto]

it is just a pointless discussion tho.. We all know its a terrible mistake not to revert it.. It is only about if SDF will stop ego tripping or not..the entire future of the game is purely based on that.. and we dont know him personally, if he is serious about the insanity in sdfskitchen then there will be no proper revert, he made that clear...

[cosmic swan]

Even if they revert everything that's not enough anymore, the issues is SDF. As long as he's here, shit like that will keep happening, he'll keep slowing think down by being a bottleneck, he'll keep reverting, removing or nerfing feature we asked for.

He need to quit. @glad thunder pls quit

[hardy stump]

revert would do nothing anyway, people who still play would play regardless of changes and people who quit will not return, because of broken trust, at this current point, the only reasonable way left is to just push it and hope for the best

[cosmic swan]

Or SDF need to quit

[fluid folio]

my friend sum dum fuk said this game was really good should i try it?

[remote yarrow]

Didnt bother playing for quite some time now. Saw a Clip. Did they remove all random mods again?

[cosmic swan]

Nop, the lead dev recently started to ruin the game because he think his idea are better than those of player and of the other dev at Ironmace. The player count is at it's lowest and as long as SDF (the lead dev) won't quit the game will keep dying

@remote yarrow Yes, SDF still have the same obsessions and he finally took over and forced his "vision" to every other dev at Ironmace (and that's pretty much their word #the-tavern message).
So right now the game is in its worst state ever making it bleed player

[rigid elk]

still no revert.....

[tight acorn]

Your friend is right. It WAS good

[cosmic swan]

Not even a word from SDF or Graysun. We don't even know what's their plan for the next update.

[remote yarrow]

Everyone obey SDF now. RIP dark and darker, you will be missed. It was already in a Terrible state but with Gear having No random mods its even more boring.

[rigid elk]

Graysun has been typing in here, ignoring most tho. I SAID TYPING PLEASE READ

[worthy talon]

When? Last message was 3 days ago.

[valid comet]

guys will sdf finally do something?

[torpid grove]

I wonder what would happen if they simply rolled back to whatever patch had the most recurrent players and just took it from there. Wont be the same but just take the L man, ive never seen people in charge of a game try so hard to do the exact opposite of what the players want. If this is the vision then its fookin raw and needs to go back in the oven. Give us dark and darker back in the meantime.

[kind folio]

Has anyone actually played after wipe day

[rustic oar]

I would rather play the patch they added ruins, double jump, and hand crossbow

[lusty pelican]

This was the most boring hour of my life, I do not recommend entering the game until the changes are rolled back

[hardy stump]

that won't change reviews, won't bring back people who lost trust and won't show IM is a reliable dev, so again, the only way forward now is to go through with all these changes and hope it'll get better.

One thing all people seem to forget while raging about gear is that other extraction games have gear that doesn't improve you all that much, with exception of dad mobile, which is p2w

[plush kayak]

are artifacts dropping this wipe? like are they in the loot pool?

[oblique parrot]

They NEED to restrict teams to 1 of each character. Tripple and duo teams just running around with ranger crossbows right now, are honestly killing my drive to play.

It's just pointless playing when anyone under 85HP gets actually 1 shot by windless, or 2 shot by longbow/crossbow. Good luck dodging 3 of those.

[lusty pelican]

sdf bro log out. you sit and suffer every day, waiting for new changes to change something for the better. turn on your head and finally understand that this update is absolute crap to an infinite degree. all the problems that existed in the game before just multiplied along with the loss of any meaning in the game in the loot (which was the foundation for motivation and progress of players). so stop being a naive child who blindly believes in something that is already dead. this looks too funny and cringeworthy, i'm ashamed of you.

[noble aurora]

i caved and just started playing ranger too lol i'm not playing warlock into this BS im just having fun with bows until shit changes. i think majoirty of ppl doing the same

[hardy stump]

1-2% drop rates down from 20% prior
haven't you read kitchen post? Goal is for most rare gear to be most rare gear, not natural progression and entry point to competitive pvp

[mental willow]

Same, might be the only class that is somewhat fun to play

[fierce violet]

War is hell bro check your corners, move and clear learn CQC, yell get down on the ground to civilians, fire before flesh

[main charm]

do you guys know if we can still rank up and get rewards during semiwipe"?

[hot dust]

Anyone Need Brand new Legendary status?

[dawn steppe]

[tight acorn]

The last message of graysun i’ve read in here was something like “i hope everyone is enjoying the update” 😂 bro living in a fantasy world

[oblique parrot]

It sucks because HR is EMPTY and the only time you see someone they run away being a loot goblin (tf, why??).

So commons is the only place to see any teams. Then you get 3 crossbows aimed at you and 1 shotting. Boring af gameplay. I've just resorted to agro dropping the Death Chicken on rangers and leaving them to deal with that.

[tropic bear]

just use a crossbow bro

[mental willow]

Not just artifacts, but all loot is way worse this patch

[noble aurora]

ive been running caves solo and surprisingly like 90% of the people i run into are chill af. im just practicing troll/cyclops and i give the loot away. barely have been killed. but when i want to pvp its for sure there. ruins is dry a lot of the time

[spark skiff]

@zinc sparrow when are we getting new warlock spells

[hardy stump]

I'm literally waiting for new wipe, I'll check it out and I'll make my decision, I'm approaching this rationally and calmly, and waiting to see it through because THERE IS NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVE on the whole effin market to DaD, so if DaD goes, I've got nothing but shallow replacements that are painfully obviously years behind

I can get over loss of solos and duos and it is undeniable that gear was the main balance problem for a very long time, I don't agree with solutions present at the moment, but we've been told its not final, so I treat it like that, tried them and I'm waiting more now, that's all there is to it.

to me gear was never end goal progression, it was just a means to an end, I got proper BIS and played with it only for arena, but stat checking was a problem for a LONG time, when purple gear is completely irrelevant to someone using legendary or 330ms +21 true uniques and you can't deny it

and contrary to what you seem to firmly believe, not lashing out like a temper tantrum throwing toddler against something does not equal blindly believing in that thing

[spark skiff]

@zinc sparrow i think spell predation on warlock is bugged. i dont seem to be taking any buffs or getting shards when i use it

[thick notch]

Next wipe is late August, good luck

[torpid grove]

Shame they don’t care just follow the vision they don’t listen to feedback pimp sorry

[hardy stump]

I've got single player backlog to go through, I can wait

[dusky gyro]

W comment. Based af no troll. I’m still gonna play every day and just ride the wave

[raven badger]

what're you playing these days?

[fathom tapir]

mnw is next up playtest dropping soon in the next few weeks full release 25 q4

[olive light]

You guys are so unappreciative. Ironmace is putting out W patch after W patch and you guys are just hating for no reason at all. Take a moment, step back and relax ✌️

[tropic bear]

So true man. Relax and enjoy the ride, not even ironmace knows where the fuck they're going and the person driving is legally blind.

[hardy stump]

finishing up backlog RPGs and weaving in some Naightreign runs

[raven badger]

what's mnw, doesn't come up in search

[sterile iron]

Monster Hunter wilds

[olive light]

Every patch is a masterpiece. Every bug is intentional. Every design choice is 4D chess. SDF is cooking and the rest of you are too busy crying to smell the greatness.

[fathom tapir]

midnight walkers

[manic scaffold]

Kts

[dawn steppe]

FR game used to make me excited to play after a long day of work. I would stay awake for whole days during the playtests

[misty dome]

I think we're heading in the right direction, all I would request now would be the water map release and talent trees to account for no stat rolls, give all classes a talent for Action Speed or Vig/Max HP etc, make it accessible to everything without needing it to roll on gear, that would allow for fun build crafting with all the water map teasers I wouldnt be suprised if we see that on season 7 wipe, that could be what revives the game with the right balancing alongside

[mild crescent]

perfect ragebait btw

[arctic laurel]

I honestly think they need to partner with another dev company like facepunch or another good studio. These guys prove time and time again that they are incompetent. SELL OR MERGE IRONMACE

[dawn steppe]

[fickle raven]

THE BEST PATCH EVER.

[pure bramble]

No there needs To be loot in this game

[olive light]

I genuinely think Ironmace should charge more. $100 skins? Worth it. SDF needs to eat, and we’re lucky just to witness his vision unfold. Honestly, it’s selfish to expect balance and fun.

[digital phoenix]

im honestly still surpised this update hasnt killed the game yet. i give it a month

[noble aurora]

they did say that these changes aren't the final so i think that's keeping people around. mods will be back "in a restricted form" as sdf put it.

[hardy stump]

that does not explain the dense ones who still are here and firmly believe current iteration is final

[digital phoenix]

idk bro that sounds like cope. they took away duo and solo and nerfed loot into the ground. i highly doubt they add both back. if they add random mods i might come back tho

[fickle raven]

Ah its a good game bro. I was on the boat of hating the changes then I started to play it Friday and I found it really fun. More like Tarkov where your in there with everyone, I felt it was a good thing. Played it all weekend.

[arctic laurel]

Did you start playing a week ago? how can anyone like this slop. The update removed the whole point of the game "looter extraction". This shit is ass its objectively bad

[noble aurora]

for me idc for the solo/duo thing i usually play trio anyway. but the mods are everything for me, its what makes gearing up fun, and killing ppl rewarding. we can't avoid the fact about gear gap though, it was just way to crazy with +4 all att and max MS pieces. just speaking on what was said by sdf but he said this is the first step in solving that problem is basically starting from nothing and working the way back up to a point where random mods are powerful but not OP

[brazen grotto]

If you wanna see what Dark and Darker is ACTUALLY based on(not nexon p3 or DnD) check out "Can´t Help Myself" by Peng Yu and Sun Yuan...

[fickle raven]

I have 1200 hours and this update is what it was like back in the old days. Its good.

[sand sail]

back in the old days people didnt have 1k hours. Solo vs trio isnt possible with good players. Update killed the game be fr

[graceful kettle]

add one lign of mod back , make it a lil bit more powerful with the rarity of the item , dont put movespeed back in , we' re good

[digital phoenix]

bro wdym. its nothing like the old days. we had wayyy more op gear back then

[brazen grotto]

yo he was cooking why delete? just got 1/3 through 🙂

[night lintel]

yo can anyone tell me hows the player count lookin rn?

[agile magnet]

35k in game, 50k in lobby

[sullen vector]

the dark grows darker #game-discussion message

[dreamy silo]

where did you get these numbers?

[robust crypt]

he made them the fuck up

[digital phoenix]

lmao

[fickle raven]

Definitely not gonna sit here and deny the Player count is terrible (3k.) Pretty much the reason im even discussing in the discord.
Makes me sad. I thought id hate it when i tried it too but i didnt. Had a lot of fun actually. Still a good game.

[jade roost]

When Pregnent Goblin skin ?

[night lintel]

DAYM NOICE GAME IS SO BACK LETSSSSSS GO

[void kestrel]

2.3k in dungeon, 1.5k in lobby

[hot iris]

games dying sdf

[winter tinsel]

Ah yes the good old days of being 1 tapped by barbarians and rangers. Feels good

[neat ferry]

Does the goblin merchant still return gear if you die and no one loots you?

[tropic bear]

2 in game 0 in lobby trust the vision

[worldly wedge]

On pve Yes, normal and hr is a no

[shadow crow]

I'm assuming nobody's playing in the Adventure mode.

[narrow gust]

Are we still holding the line?

[fickle raven]

IM HOLDING DAMMIT

[shut timber]

Games finished for oce servers are dead common ruins

[dense vessel]

lets see player 4k

[nimble jacinth]

Csgo and hunt showdown for the next 4 months till arc raiders is out

[shell root]

If you want to know if the game is done just look at the steam charts for the past month.. there’s a drop campaign and nobody gives a fuck

Also this discord is on 5 minute CD with barely anyone talking 💀

[dark isle]

What is the player avg rn?

[sullen flower]

https://darkerdb.com/

check here, updates every few mins

[sullen vector]

#game-discussion message

[light gazelle]

It’s not that bad

[void kestrel]

sdf vision is a dead game

[winter tinsel]

I’ve seen games survive with 2k players. I’ve seen RP servers survive with 100 players. It’s really just a matter of when the server owner decides to pull the plug.

[late meteor]

Ypu would thi k with the falling number of players they would have time to get to the people that have made support tickets

[sullen vector]

3,977 Online
1,671 Lobby
2,281 Dungeon

[hardy stump]

There probably is some review vid on yt about how Rust pulled itself out from dead game with mostly negative reviews to what it is now

It does not prove DaD will do similar comback, but possibility it will does exist, so sit and wait, next season will either make this discord a very desolate place, or it'll be the best thing to ever happen to the game

[olive light]

SDF doesn’t patch the game — he curates suffering. And if you can’t appreciate that, maybe go back to Fortnite or whatever polished trash you crawled out of.

[misty stone]

im trying to find game on hr with mm team, impossible

[clear pendant]

so theyre not reverting this right? rustoria monday is the move guys

[misty stone]

loking for group only 20.000hours + experience please

[sacred solar]

nah mate vital the move

[indigo wagon]

SDF everyone has quit man it’s time to listen to the community or sell the game

[hardy stump]

no one playes random HR, that haven't changed even tho gerar did

[small vale]

Has fishing been added to the game? I haven't played it since patch 69

[winter tinsel]

I think most ppl aren’t motivated to play HR. What’s the point when doing the hardest content in the only helps you feel marginally more powerful?

[indigo wagon]

Nobody loves this game more than me legit. I refuse to participate in this any longer. We have to stand tall

[dense pawn]

Main problem with this patch: one shots are back. It's a terrible mechanic that has no room in this game. Main problems:

• windlass crossbow headshots
• warlock with BOC
• barbarian with reckless

[indigo wagon]

I have like 2.5k hours and started playing after warlock was introduced this is my fav game of all time truly it’s a shame the devs refuse to listen to the community that loves the game. You should be ashamed as developers

[hardy stump]

I mean, AP grind is over, so there is very little reason to play HR instead of normals and PvP

[cosmic swan]

The main problem is SDF, he's the one who pushed all that

[raw torrent]

i really like this patch and the game feels "balanced" for the first time ever. however there's no reason to play at the moment. i hope they push on through and build on this new foundation and GIVE ME REASON TO PLAY please

[winter tinsel]

Fast ttk was never popular. Idk how many times we gotta learn lol

[cosmic swan]

But somehow SDF want fast TTK so we never could test what higher TTK would look like and now we have this one shot meta +200 headshot damage...

[oak topaz]

It became fortnite basically.
And no m a casual player my self and was having so much fun in 124 gs and blue lobbies

[dense pawn]

Not balanced, some classes have 1 shots now. But I hope they keep refining the game around simpler gear, it was way too complicated and OP. A good starting point would be removing "unique" grade and adding +1 stat to all the rest, because right now green gear is useless (except for weapons)

What I would really like is to get some extra stats on gear using gem socketing, but maybe something other than the OP modifiers we had before (+all, +add/true dmg, +ms, +hp)

[olive light]

Removing random modifiers was brave. Now every item is equally mid , just how it should be. Finally, true balance. Thank you SDF

[winter tinsel]

I mean we had longer TTK for awhile, it just didn’t work that well once you threw hella true dmg into the mix. We never tested higher HP/longer TTK without true

[daring crater]

just bring solos/duos back ffs, i dont have any friends and neither skill to kill 3 players alone

[cosmic swan]

Well, the TTK never got higher than being 3 tapped by a bow or 2 handed weapon. But sure true damage is bad

[dense pawn]

People complaining gear is useless haven't played more than a few normals. Meanwhile, I have +8knw (+20% cast speed), +3 true magic and +6hp, just enough to have some extra power, but not enough to feel bad for crushing squire kits (like it used to be)

[winter tinsel]

Maybe. There were def moments where you hit a rogue 5 times with an arming sword for example and he’s still alive. Bows and projectiles are a different story

[tacit tiger]

idk why im still playing this, when is arc raiders again?

[keen ocean]

can we fix the game now im bored af

[cosmic swan]

It's not useless, but it sure is way less impactful and dull now, there's no incentive to farm gear anymore, no hype when you find a good piece of gear, almost no point looting people

[oak topaz]

Go play something else u Lil addict

[cosmic swan]

Every thing is available on the market place for a couple hundred gold. And that even tho we have the lowest playercount ever, so imagine this update with a decent amount of player, the marketplace would be flooded with "bis" loot for cheap making green,blue and epic loot maybe even legendary pointless

[vagrant coyote]

There only timmys playing now xd you can crush people out with just one perk on xd

[dense pawn]

Well the game was built around grinding 4h/day to stay competitive. If you do that, you get to stat check 90% of the lobby and get fair fights with the rest. I think that kind of mechanic is toxic for a game like this.

I'm sure a lot of people will leave/already left the game for some kind of grindy MMO or a Rust type of game. But I think in the long run this is genuinely a better direction. The game would canibalize itself otherwise.

If this patch didn't have grevious balance issues (one shots, mostly), it would be perfect for new or returning players. I hope they fix the big issues this week... but they've disappointed so many times that I don't want to hope for that. I'm still here because it's fun and I am happy if they make the gear more casual because I will be able to have fun without working part time to farm gear.

[dense pawn]

I've played with/against a lot of experienced players past few days, but I do run into a lot of timmies if a play normals. Good, that's where they should be playing 😄

[vagrant coyote]

Nobody playing hr lol 2k on dungeon on All servers xdddd

[small vale]

You are completely misunderstanding how the player base of this kind of games work, people can have fun playing without BIS even if the gap between BIS and casual player gear is significant

[cosmic swan]

But you can't ignore people who put time in the game either. There's a whole world between what we had before the wipe and now. Imo what we had in season 5 (no MS roll, max 2 strengh, dex etc) was decent, you can start working with that, like removing true damage but keeping additional for exemple. Because right now we're only 4-5 day after the wipe. I really think that even those player who don't have a lot of hour to put in the game will get bored within 1 month, a wipe supposed to last 3 month

Also because the people who put hour in the game are maybe only 10-20% of the player base, but they're the one who spend the most money in the game too, on cosmetic

[lime ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-sorry-gif-9638690

[dense pawn]

Play peak hours in your region and you will find players.

@small vale I almost never played HR 225+ before because gear gap just felt bad. It felt bad destroying players who had no chance and felt bad getting destroyed by insanely geared players. It's ok to disagree, but all I am saying is that this is toxic in the long run and a lot of players quit early wipe because of this gap. Maybe this game just needs a different player base? Maybe one that is not so toxic and enjoys this game casually? 😅

[clear pendant]

theres is very little reason to playing the game

[tacit tiger]

theres no reason to play this other than to understand the gameplay loop has zero depth then you quit. Thats the game

[dense pawn]

I agree that it was in a good spot and adding ms rolls was a shit move - devs literally said they want to fix the ms meta and they just cranked it up 300% 😂

Would have been nice to see the game transition slowly to simpler gear. But IM are well known for their extreme patches, at least they are doing it prewipe now... If I am to predict what is next: after an extreme they always adjust slightly back. We will either have a bit better gear, more HP or both in the coming weeks.

But who knows? I don't think even SDF knows what the "vision" is, we are just lab rats and they are tweaking numbers until they are happy The sooner you accept this, the better for your happiness

[small vale]

I left the game in patch 69, I actually am not a long time player of this game despite being active on discord. I left the game because it makes no sense to play it anymore, I bought chiv II and started playing it instead. As a new player the gear gap felt good to me because gear was something I looked foward to find in the dungeon and fighting and winning againts a better geared enemy was super rewarding because of the good loot. Removing gear gap is the actual toxic way to go just look at the current game state.

[subtle finch]

Dead game

[small vale]

The thing is gear gap makes the game more casual, and I'm not looking to play another competitive game I just want to chill playing something when I get back from work

[quiet finch]

Congrats on a new all time low on player count after a successful patch which only someone who is totally out of touch with reality thinks is a good one.

[trail wraith]

[sweet crow]

All we needed was the modifiers toned down and not as many pieces being able to roll +move speed or +all (instead our game was maimed, loot was taken away, and ttk/skill was deleted)

[cosmic swan]

Yeah, but I can't stop to see the potential the game have and there's nothing similar right now, even the game who look like DaD are not even close imo. SDF is shifting this game to something else, he don't see that he created something unique, that people love and that has a lot of potential. If he want to do a different game then go do that, but don't ruin DaD to do it.

Imo they need to work on the gameplay loop, work on the dungeon crawling aspect of the game, add new point of interest, try again feature like the Wyvern summoning when released. Imo the community is toxic because the only people left in the game are those who are here for the PvP only, most player who came to the game for the PvPvE and dungeon crawling of the game have left.

[digital isle]

This pach feels broken as hell. Whats the point of me wearing plate armor or even proper helm if everything can 1-2 shot me?

[quiet finch]

+all is the stupidest random mod ever. It's always the best and theres no reason to have anything else. Also the MS meta which has always been there just got worse when even full plate users run with max ms with weapon out.

Not to mention that "fights are too fast", yet again devs did everything they can to make them even faster. Why not just go CS style and have every headshot be basically a 1 hit kill then

[fading trench]

@glad thunder chalk the game and lay off your employees. you're a horrible developer.

[clear pendant]

thats why is good, the problem is when you can gem it so easy

[spark skiff]

it would be nice if we could see skills and spells teammates are running

[quiet finch]

its always a bad thing for the game to have such a stat. Since you must have it on all gear that allows it. All other modifiers are bad compared to it - so therefore useless and forced for every build

[fickle raven]

W PATCH

[cosmic swan]

And working on this side of the game would probably make those player come back, and make new player stick because the global vibe of the game would be more chill. And I think that doing thing for the new player/timmies is good, but not if that kill the game for those who have plenty of time to play. Feature like the goblin merchant and expressman was meant to help people, to be convenient for people who can't farm for hours and that's the way imo. Seeing SDF removing that make me feel that he's bullshitting us when he say he removing random attribute to reduce gear gap so the experience is more even for everyone, he just want to do it because he wants to, by ego, because of the "vision"

[west schooner]

game is over guys, they're just letting it die to run with the money

[dense pawn]

They are taking a big risk with this, which means they can probably afford it. I think we will see a lot of changed in the coming weeks and I hope they get it in a good state by the time we reach wipe...

I think the game still has a nice loop, I'm enjoying it for now, but it is much smaller. Reaching "BIS" is much easier and doesn't give you a big advantage. I think that's fine, you don't plan on playing the game too much in the near future and that means I get to experience the high end stuff too. But I get how people who enjoyed the heavy grind are put off.

I think the result will be: grinders will leave to play some MMO/Rust/Tarkov, but a lot of new or returning casual players will be playing more. I guess we'll see how it goes at wipe.

[glad rock]

I wish they'd just wipe everything and go back to the old school DaD, I had more fun learning the maps and knowing where everything is and just rushing the bosses/sub bosses to fight over who gets the boss, pvp was enjoyable and half the time you could talk in proximity chat and actually practise the bosses with randoms without just getting 1 tapped in the skull by bloodthirsty loot goblins, the fun in this game has died to the point I'd rather they just gave us all a refund then advertise whatever shtshow game this is now and let the muggins waste their money on it, so disappointed in what this game has become

[quiet finch]

Dark and Darker is quite honestly a prime example of development without any roadmap, no vision and the insanity that you do the same thing over and over expecting dif results. Thats why we see the same patches over and over and being reverted. As if this someone would bring a dif result.

The game simply doesn't even know what it is - dungeon crawler? battle royale? some kind of roguelike looter?
And it's plagued by the fact that the main developer openly admits buffing / nerfing according to what class he likes to play and whatever some twitch streamers say

[cosmic swan]

+all is the strongest but isn't the one making the biggest difference, MS or True are way more powerfull for exemple. It's not nescessary a bad thing to have one or two very good roll that you "need" if they're not broken. And yes fast TTK is terrible

[quiet finch]

That is true. But yeah DaD is like you must build into +all stat, true phys or mag and insane ms. After that you tweak everything else. If you don't do this, you are horibly outgeared

[clear pendant]

action speed and pdr is also important

[quiet finch]

pdr is not important, its totally ignored by true. And most builds just use that.
Action speed, yeah ofc its important as attack speed = more hits with true. But what im saying is, there isn't truly much customization really, it's a forced route on builds and the system supports it by having over powered stats in game

[woeful urchin]

what are u even discussing right now? builds? you realize what is going on right?

[rugged granite]

Except they removed at least half the player base by taking out solos and duos

[quiet finch]

The problematic stats and forced route on builds is just a part of the bigger problem. Like I said earlier, problem is the fact theres no roadmap, no vision and the insanity of just breaking and revamping the patches over and over.

There is so obvious lack everything project management needs that its just sad to watch.

[digital isle]

I am sad because there is no point to wearing any proper armor.

[cosmic swan]

"I think the game still has a nice loop" What's the loop right now for you? The only thing to do always was farming gear, that's it, and now you get bis gear everywhere. You don't even need to farm boss or hoard anymore, worst, everything is cheap on the marketplace even tho we have the lowest playerbase ever so not that much people actually farm.
I really don't think that this will retain any player, new, returning or veteran. And they're obviously going to work on tweaking gear and balance, again, for month while the game need content, things to do in and out of the dungeon, new point of interest, new gold sink outside of the dungeon, some social system. For exemple I believe a guild system would be very good, with a guild marketplace, guild quest, guild chat and tavern/guild hall to improve by doing quest and giving gold to the guild.

[wild gull]

there is no point of playing this game if I cannot solo cuz I run into 3 gearless timmies and they just rage chase me

[cosmic swan]

This is a bit old now but imo that's what should be done #suggestion-discussion message

[digital isle]

Adventure difficulty gives no no gear, Normals and High Rollers are nothign more bloody pvp fest where you either die to someone overgeared, who abuses meta or die to mob spam.

[granite nexus]

why are the devs not speaking on this problem

[quiet finch]

Without meaningful gear and hoarding / collecting cool stuff the game could just as well have no gear. Which puts the game into just battle royal. Then we can ask do we really need the PvE at all if the point is just to be last one alive

[clear pendant]

overgeared is a good joke

[wild gull]

everyone in HR is just squire gear, no chance to play as solo unless you're sorc that just glitches throu map with teleport... just give me arc raiders already

[fossil stream]

L game

[fickle raven]

W patch

[cosmic swan]

Because it's not a problem to them, to him actually, SDF is the reason behind all those change. For him this a the way, he think he have a "vision" for this game that's better than every other suggestion the other dev at IM and the community can make. So he's pushing his "vision"; kill the game, not seeing the issues so not speaking about it, it's not even an issues to him, we are wrong

[granite nexus]

the player count speaks for it self

[fickle raven]

We almost at 5k players leeeetts goooooooooh

[wild gull]

Russian fishing 4 has more pop then DnD xD

[granite nexus]

they need to listen to the community

[cosmic swan]

Yeah, but it's only because people don't see the vision, there dumb and he's the only one that can save this game. It may look bad but it's only because we can't understand how smart and awesome he is.

That's what they told us, litteraly
Graysun ealier this month :
"I think SDF is a great lead dev.
The back and forth has been directly related to him compromising his direction for what other people want.
Other people as in, other IRONMACE developers and the community.
We have learned our lesson, and instead of trying to advise him away from what he wants, we will fully support him.
It is very unlikely to see big reverts in the future.
It seems rough right now, but I believe in his ability as the director to get us back on course."
#the-tavern message

[quiet finch]

If he actually has a vision - you would guess there would be an open roadmap on what to expect next etc.
But there isn't, so he is basically just doing whatever he feels best at every single moment. Getting pissed off at that class x doing something? nerf it. My new favourite class to play? Buff it.
My friend streamer crying about thing x? Fix it

Having this type of blind faith towards someone who obviously is clueless and even praising his stupidity sounds something like a certain orange dude is doing in a big country atm.

[median imp]

People complain too much. Dark and Darker is one of the greatest medieval fantasy pvp games to ever come out. The servers are smooth and lobbies are full. Ironic how the playerbase are all 30+ yr old neckbeards who grew up spending $60 on games that never got updated.

We'll chuckle when all of the so called disgruntled streamers reinstall and come crawling back.

Fk streamers and their gear diff content farming. Fk complainers.

SDF is Thanos. Weeding out half of the unworthy pieces of garbage who do nothing but complain

Long live Ironmace. Long live SDF. Hold the line!

[radiant furnace]

And we found the one guy still playing the game

[fossil stream]

i honestly think this patch was to completely restart and get a base file for the game, no gear no socketing and no random modifiers. next season; Season 7 is where they can get an idea of where to lead the game.. who knows. but imo still not a great way to “lab test” his 4k players

[fickle raven]

solo/duo/trio seperated lobbies are for babies

[spark hedge]

block is useless XD

[cosmic swan]

That's pretty much it, he keep bragging that he have a "vision" but can't explain it, can be clear on how he intend to do this or that or even what he want to do.
The only thing we heard of him for the past 2 year are "I want fast TTK, I want to remove Solo and Duo, I want to remove random attribute" He tried numerous time to do it, took a backlash everytime but keep going. Now he did it, so what's next?

[round jackal]

never seen a browner nose

[wild gull]

xD you made me laugh my friend.. sure keep playing dying game. This SDF got too high at some point, I spend 30 bucks on it when it was fun, after so many seasons it got

1. Boring
2. Changes made it unplayable for solo player
3. Im not gonna play with some randoms in team that have 0 clue whats what
   more and more people are leaving this game due to those reasons, but sure, be the one with few tousands people that gonna stick in it.

[kindred patio]

Hello, where can i find subbosses? Like abomination/cerberus etc - in which modules?

[spark hedge]

They ''fix block'' now is worst than ever

[quiet finch]

yeah, having a very specific opinion of removing a certain stat or something isn't a vision or a roadmap.
It's in a way funny and sad the same time that this type of devs just keep repeating not only their own mistakes, but mistakes that other devs had made.

It almost feels like some devs, such as sdf - have never actually learned or trained how to do project management of any kind. If they have, it doesn't show. And if theres a hidden roadmap somewhere, then i can say the communication between the dev team and players has failed miserably for years now.

[fossil stream]

sdf is a twink

[cosmic swan]

SDF need to quit.

[quiet finch]

But I think theres a lot of the "I am the lead dev, I know best, all MY opinions are correct and others are dumb". Same kind of feeling of superiority over everyone else, that you don't need help cause you know everything.

People who are like that in lead positions are just insecure and need to assert dominance everywhere to hide the fact they are clueless. Which naturally also f. up the entire project as they can never listen to the people who actually know better.

[quiet finch]

do you honestly think he will? I don't.
When you have the power over everyone else - no matter how badly you run the ship, you won't give up the power until forced to or theres no more ship to run.

[lofty slate]

Guys guys guys! He is in the Kitchen !

[cosmic swan]

I don't know, I hope so and anyway I'll keep asking and figthing for it to happen

[grand patrol]

Only bad things happen in that godforsaken place

[visual mango]

How do you have this information

[lofty slate]

Making sandwich in the Kitchen with him

[jolly crane]

What I’ve summarized from that is that he’s gonna give us at least an idea of his vision??

[quiet finch]

i dont think so

[remote lake]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1375433683737116713

[quiet finch]

getting some kind of roadmap would be a totally new approach.
And if that hasn't been done even once - there is no reason to expect something would change.

He will talk about his "vision" in a very broad way that basically means nothing and then keep pushing whatever balance patches are deemed necessary, like axe specialization to +5 dmg

[cosmic swan]

@glad thunder stop typing and quit

[timber imp]

what kind of player is he guys?

[boreal island]

never going to happen and I would never want it to happen either. Just leave if you dont like the game

[leaden kettle]

lol its so sad to expect some good response of the devs, and then u read these comments by sdf on his kitchen RIP

[fleet merlin]

@glad thunder who are those players similar to yourself? the 4k still in the dungeon?
Should have made this a singleplayer experience

[woeful urchin]

@glad thunder #sdfs-kitchen message by far the worst response imaginable. he just signed the grave of this game

[karmic sparrow]

Pure translation of what he said , "i am doing wtf i want with my game , you don't need to know my intention , if you don't like it go play other games " P.S, Sdf wake the f up

[upper wolf]

@fleet imp GET HIM IN PRISON GET HIM IN PRISON FAST !!!!!!!!!!! LETS GET HIM LOCKED UP

[fleet merlin]

@glad thunder - you said it yourself - "We’re not particularly good at developing games in that way."

Just stand down and let someone capable

[boreal island]

Based af tbh

[remote lake]

Thug life

[jovial marten]

왜 말하다 말음 계속해줘 @glad thunder 주저말고 궁금하다

[shell grove]

I have never played a game that attracted so many ignorant and privileged children

[fervent wigeon]

Glad you are enjoying it.. but in the previous state of the game there was a place for both types of players. Dumbing down the gear system just makes things feel lack luster, removes build variety, and removes almost all excitement out of boss/resource grinding. As a casual you could have just stayed in normals perpetually and enjoyed the game just fine all the way through end game bossing. If your complaint was not great drops... well look at it now. ALL the drops feel dull. There is NO way to have any build variety outside of MAYBE choosing a diff helm or gloves etc..

They took a really lazy way out with this. Legit it was the coolest shit ever to see a first person PvPvE where I was finding gears with random modifiers and looting/resource grinding. Had to do all that while not getting merced. It made it fun. Now, genuinely, what is the point? Mine just to mine as if the act of mining is fun? The minimal stat enhancements on crafted gear are NO WHERE near worth the time to grind. They just totally broke one of the best games... again. Patch 69 should have taught them better on this.

[quiet finch]

great response. "We don't know how to develop games and I won't make a roadmap cause i don't feel comfortable I would know where the game is headed and that i would be able to stick to a plan. So i'll just wing it like iv always done and make the game for "players like me"

Seriously 😂

[manic scaffold]

kts

[normal flame]

ya what he said 🙂

[fluid lily]

It was obvious that he will come with this kind of answer since one of the points added in ToS were something like "We do not develop the game to fulfill your needs" around these words.

[quiet finch]

You can just pick up from his response that the dev team - or well he is - way over his head and don't have the skills to be a lead developer in a game. Which we already knew, just by the simple fact theres no project management - there is no clear vision - there is no structured communication or participation of the playerbase

[remote lake]

Any og mmo fans try out monsters and memories next playtest in a month. This 3 day one was a blast

[woeful urchin]

@glad thunder ONCE A THlEF, ALWAYS A THlEF | STEP DOWN NOW

[storm hazel]

Guys i been testing rogue and its maybe duable with castilon dagger

[median salmon]

has the player count dropped below 1k yet? it was getting close yesterday

[west wyvern]

explain why i shoot a druid in chicken form with a bow and he doesnt die in 1 shot

[fluid lily]

So basically what he said in https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1375433683737116713 to me it's not surprising at all since 16.8 "Dark and Darker has not been developed to meet your individual requirements" exists. Just terribly disappointed in IM as a whole since they always said they are all for the players and consumer, and now they rugpull and say "We meant players that are like me, sdf".

[pliant ether]

"That’s why, at a fundamental level, I make games for players who are similar to myself" - And that's why the game will die, because there's not many other people who like unbalanced messes with no content and minimal fun.

[flat olive]

What is the point of playing rogue

[sacred bear]

I can only agree. On top of that, not everyone wants to blindly push into the 1–2 popular PvP rooms just to get sent back to the lobby in one hit by some meta class. Some players would rather engage in PvP when it happens naturally — like when you randomly run into someone or hear someone in the next room. Right now, it honestly just feels like a Call of Duty fantasy DLC, and it's really annoying.

[lethal plank]

I feel bad for all the people who put money into this game lol

[fluid lily]

Fortunately the 30 euros is the amount you pay for 1 and a half pizza in my country (not that much)

[remote lake]

I got my monies worth for sure. Had a lot of fun

[shell grove]

The game is going through a transition that should of happened ages ago. Community held it back. The gear as it is now is not how it will look at the end of the season. Understand the patch notes.

[west schooner]

he just confirmed that game is dead, thanks god

[fluid lily]

He only confirmed that he wants to play this game with himself and no one else

[silk kelp]

@glad thunder this is you ^. RIP best game ever made.

[toxic trout]

You forgot to put him in jail for stealing someone elses idea

[median salmon]

no matter what the vision is, the player count totals dont lie. losing 85% of your player base over a 2 month period is not very good leadership

[pliant ether]

"I'm a genius, and you the players and all other devs are not. SDF has spoken" - SDF 06/25

[cosmic swan]

I'm speechless, that's the only thing he have to say 4 day after the worst update ever made, after the worst backlash they ever took. He come here saying that he's going to explain his vision once more and once again being as cryptic and unclear as one could be. Saying nothing about whats going to happen next in concrete terms.

[toxic trout]

Brother look in SDF's kitchen. He basically saying f off if you dont like my game... literally

[ornate kraken]

I just like playing during SSF, if it comes back I’d be all over it

[toxic trout]

While it would be ideal to present an impressive roadmap, we’ve often fallen short in preparation and lacked the ability to anticipate the future, which made us hesitant to make such attempts. Moving forward, we will make an effort to better prepare and take on the challenge of providing a clear roadmap.

Before we share a full-fledged roadmap, I’d like to take a moment to explain my thoughts on the current state of the game and the direction we are heading.

Although I believed I had already explained things from various angles, I’ve come to realize that many people are still unsure about what sdf’s vision truly is. This made me reflect on my lack of skill in communicating our intentions clearly. So this time, I will try to explain things more intuitively.
When we design a game, we fundamentally do not chase after currently successful formulas or create games specifically for target audiences we don't fully understand—just because that audience is large. The simple and honest reason is that we’re not particularly good at developing games in that way.
There are many great studios out there that are exceptionally good at that kind of development—but at the very least, I’m not that kind of person. That’s why, at a fundamental level, I make games for players who are similar to myself. I believe I’ve mentioned this before. THIS IS HIS MESSAGE LMAO?????? TELLS US TO F-OFF IF WE DONT LIKE HIS IDEA HUH?

[cosmic swan]

...

[fervent anvil]

"When we design a game, we fundamentally do not chase after currently successful formulas" dude couldve just said "hey. we dont care if a game works. we gonna whatever the fuck we feel like"

[remote lake]

Love isn’t always on time

[fair owl]

The amount of disrespect to the paying customers who were sold a false product is fucking insane

[shell grove]

Keep cooking!
Although gearing feels bland, overall the combat feels better. Seems to be less disparity between gear and players Movement speeds in generwl. Definitely needs some balancing tweaks but that is much easier with a tighter gear crunch.
Looking forward to how gear and gem slotting will be implemented.

[misty dome]

They are making the game and have that decision, complaining on reddit/discord won't change anything, everyone saying im done and quitting the game, why tf are you still here complaining, go touch grass

[tight acorn]

If only he wouldn’t take 2 steps back with every step forward

[glad quail]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1375433683737116713 wtf..

[fervent anvil]

and it normally doesnt come with killing off things you like

[quiet lance]

🎶HOLD THE LINE LOVE IS’NT ALWAYS ON TIME 🎶

Whoah whoah whoah

[cosmic swan]

But for real that's it? Nothing more?

[normal flame]

Gem slotting is gone cuz they removed random modifyers dude the game is cooked and the only reason the pvp feels good is cuz everyones gears dose nothing

[fair owl]

Ahh yes, sorcerer frost lightning + elemental bolt 2 tapping every class in the game is fair and balanced

[toxic trout]

When we design a game, we fundamentally do not chase after currently successful formulas or create games specifically for target audiences we don't fully understand—just because that audience is large. WHAT IS HE EVEN SAYING???? HELLO ITS 10K PLAYERS AT MAX????????????????? BROTHER MAN IS DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WANT??? HELLO??

[median salmon]

Luckily, this genre has a few other options coming to market, hopefully run by people who don't get their brilliant ideas while starting into the toilet bowl after using it. When they finally pull the plug, SumDumFuk will only have himself to blame for this epic failure

[tight acorn]

I’m just here for the memes

[fervent anvil]

he is saying that he has no idea how to be a proper game dev

[misty dome]

That's fair enough, all the streamer followers need to just move on already, boohoo cry my streamer quit so im going to, blah blah, people need to start critically thinking and form their own opinions

[toxic trout]

Brother he doesnt even listen to players that play this game for 5k hours +.... that has nothing to do with being a bad or good dev, he is drowning in his own ego and refuse to listen to ANYONE.

[maiden pollen]

sdf kitchen “we have no clue what we are doing so we can’t ever provide a road map”

wow

[fervent wigeon]

I agree. The vision seems to be purely based off of someone whose perspective has minimal game time with a focus on arena. He dummed it down to fortnite loot lol.. different rarities and that is it. This isn't Fortnite and that isn't what the lion share of players enjoyed about it.

[shell grove]

You admitting pvp feels good. That's a good step... given that the game is mainl pvp. The pve experience is horrid so might as well lean into what makes the game special... pvp. Its why arena is so popular. It's why only a small fraction actively engage in the quests and bosses.

[tight acorn]

The best thing y’all could do for the game, unironically, is to stop playing

[fervent anvil]

he doesnt even listen to himself half the time. hes the one that has to approve something before it gets added into the game yet he still goes back on what gets added in all the time

[timid sky]

Look, SDF will drive dark and darker into the ground and fucking bury it before he relinquishes any control over the game. He views himself as the sole creator of DnD so for better or for worse (we all know which, sadly), he's not going anywhere.

[shell grove]

The state of gear is not how it will be at the end of the season. Did you comprehend the patch notes?

[tough tree]

Pls guys close the game so they need to make something or nothing Will change

[dense pawn]

That is a fair take. However, I have to point out that we are in a similar situation as in patch 69: half baked game breaking change. They are supposed to test things and refine. Who knows what we end up with? If you don't want to be a lab rat, it's a good time to take a break till wipe like most players.

At least now we got a heads up and they didn't just nuke everything in middle of wipe like patch 69 😂

[toxic trout]

SDF ''In truth, we wanted to invest time in building deeper content that would support long-term gameplay cycles—things like training systems, personal housing, and guilds. But the shallow systems we had created early on became tangled together like a chimera, and we spent an overwhelming amount of time tuning and testing them instead'' - GG BOYS WE GOING DARK AND DARKER SIMS

[misty dome]

Again more evidence of no critical thinking, some youtuber said it so it must be true, can't even be bothered to read and understand the notes, the reason this game isn't succeeding is the players, every time you post a shitty comment a new player may read that and decide not to play, same with review bombing, just toxic for no reason, it's a game play it for fun or move on it's that simple

[fervent anvil]

"As a result, development often felt like a series of reactions to the moment, rather than deliberate long-term planning." fucking hur dur lets remove solos and duos and call it "long term planning"

[north fable]

somehow, i got a feeling that sdf actually wants the game to be a mmorpg instead of a extraction game

[toxic trout]

He's building new Earth on Venus.

[shell grove]

Nailed it

[drifting sequoia]

Nah, even mmos have random props on loots nowadays

[fervent wigeon]

Unreal you really think that lol. The only cool thing about the game was the PvE/Looting/Kit building uniqueness. The PvP was/has always been ancillary. The only thing that felt good about wiping teams was getting their loot after. PvP in DaD is bad and feels bad. Enjoy the game though. There are clearly still around 3k people that like it/it's direction.

[cosmic swan]

Oh so it's our fault if they couldn't work on what's good for the game. But it's good now because he won't listen to the community anymore

[dreamy silo]

"In the beginning, the game was developed based on the principles I mentioned earlier, targeting players with preferences similar to mine. However, as playtests progressed, we came to realize that a much wider range of players than we had initially expected were enjoying the game and seeing its potential.

As a result, instead of continuing to dig deeper in the original direction we had set, we decided to shift our focus toward trying to meet the growing demands reflected in the feedback we were receiving. As I’ve said before, I’m not the type of developer who excels at satisfying audiences I don’t fully understand. But I didn’t want to ignore the players’ interest and expectations—this felt like a major opportunity, and I agreed with the decision.

We discovered that our player base included solo, duo, and trio players; hardcore and casual users; those who enjoyed dungeon crawling; players who loved PvP; and others who preferred non-competitive experiences. This wide range of audiences meant we had to address a variety of needs and preferences.

Because we wanted to quickly build a structure that could satisfy these different groups to at least a certain degree, we ended up making a series of shallow choices and going through countless trial and error. As a result, development often felt like a series of reactions to the moment, rather than deliberate long-term planning.

In truth, we wanted to invest time in building deeper content that would support long-term gameplay cycles—things like training systems, personal housing, and guilds. But the shallow systems we had created early on became tangled together like a chimera, and we spent an overwhelming amount of time tuning and testing them instead."

Sounds more like you need help navigating a more complex structure, stripping the game of all features to try it make it easier for you to wrap your head around it is not the solution.. You can implement all things said above and still keep most features people enjoyed

[fervent anvil]

no he wants the game to be a single player pvp game @cosmic swan sdfs just proving that his ego is the thing typing on the keyboard and making the choices for the game

[toxic trout]

This will never happen because its an extraction game. Housing will never be possilbe... we're not playing sims

[warm rune]

sdf has no idea what he is talking about lol #sdfs-kitchen literally just yap

[fervent anvil]

i wonder if sdf realised him trying to make up excuses as to why they are completely fucking up the game is just making shit worse for him?

[lost tinsel]

I mean, if they did a hideout-type system that would be considered housing if it were customizable

[north fable]

ahhahaha yeah, that might be it, i find it odd the part of "personal housing", like does he want it to be like ff14 where we can buy houses, like wut

[toxic trout]

I hope his dealer also can hit me up with that good stuff.... surely i can see Satan in person after that good stuff he's on

[fervent anvil]

nah sdf makes his own vision juice. you cant get that shit anywhere

[shell grove]

You are ignorant. That's ok.

Play more games. The pve is terrible with the exception of some boss fights. At its "highest" level pve and it's mobs are cheesed. The gameplay is non existent.

Arena is the most popular for a reason. Pvp, squire lobbies, and non high roller are popular for a reason. A fraction of the population engage in quests and bosses.

[misty dome]

Maybe listening to the community was the first problem, you think the big games like WOW and League listen to the players, absolutely not they do what they do and the people play it, listening to players was what brought solos about and all that development time to now have been removed, if people just played the vision in the first place we'd be way further ahead in development

[obtuse lantern]

They still not fix the game?? I’m trying to play

[median salmon]

Still not fixed, no reason to even que in

[cosmic swan]

How can you be that blind. You have an audiance with different preference, but they're here because the game was advertised as a PvEvP dungeon crawling so of course you'll have "solo, duo, and trio players; hardcore and casual users; those who enjoyed dungeon crawling; players who loved PvP; and others who preferred non-competitive experiences". And if you can't keep up maybe you'r the issues

[toxic trout]

Then its meaningless, housing for what? when you have lobby skin. You're gonna invite your 2 friends over just to view your house? huh? We are not playing sims? What we gonna put in there? boss trophy? that people have killed 2000 times alreadY?

[gray eagle]

make it like apex if you removed modificatiors
make ranking system
make tournaments
add circle
delete extraction
profit

[obtuse lantern]

It’s so sad 😦

[toxic trout]

NO PROFIT. ALL PROFIT IS GOING TO NEXON 🙂 THEY ARE IN DEBT AND THIS IS ONLY WAY FOR HIM TO RUIN THIS GAMES VALUE SO HE CAN PAY LESS IN DAMAGES

[autumn granite]

What’s the player count rn

[fervent anvil]

idk if youve been in the tarkov server but something similar happened there. they did something that no one liked and called the people that didnt like it "non believers" so i guess non of us are true believers

[lost tinsel]

I don't disagree, it should definitely be very far off. I would prefer just new content in the form of maps, quality of life, minor artifacts that are easier to obtain and random-roaming bosses.

[median salmon]

3226 in dungeon, its the high point for the day, last night it was down around 1500's

[last stump]

@everyone games dead give it up

[fervent wigeon]

Just say you don't play dungeon crawling games, instead of calling me ignorant. You're an ape that wants to ooga booga PvP. Arena is satisfying for ya. Personally, I like the PvP aspect of a dungeon crawling game with all the things I previously mentioned. The PvP or PvE, on it's own, with no desirable rewards make both feel like trash in this game. Neither are fun to do without the allure of a good drop.

[quick halo]

SDF is making the game for himself not for you !!!!

[toxic trout]

He's trying to make 2 games in 1 game... which is cooked. This is a funding problem

[misty dome]

No developer makes a game for the players, what are you even talking about

[cosmic swan]

Yeah, but anyway, I didn't pay this game to believe in some vision. I did because they advertised the game as a PvPvE extraction dungeon crawler game and bragged about doing game for the player, to bring them joy, and by putting the player first.

[shell grove]

Read and comprehend the patch notes. Gear in its currently state isn't complete. Doesn't that void your entire comment?

[fervent wigeon]

Ever heard of Jagex: OSRS? Not Runescape 3 or literally anything else they do but OSRS is specifically made for the players

[potent topaz]

How do we find sdfs kitchen i want to read this bs

[toxic trout]

ANY other developers will split their insane delusional idea behind the scenes so they can experience it and have feedback from actual game testers. compare to SDF he let his delulu thoughts out here in the open to make everyone either quit or go wild over his ideas...

[fervent anvil]

No YoU cLeArLy PaYeD tO sUpPoRt ThE vIsIoN

[misty dome]

And when OSRS was first made, that was not for the players it was for one dev that decided he wanted to play a game like that... OSRS was brought back for the community true, but never designed for the people

[north fable]

ya have to get the channel from the channel and roles section

[median salmon]

I will say, it is refreshing to see a developer who isnt interested in making money, and will plant his flag on the mountain of vision and principles he has and die on it. It is a shame the mountain is entirely made of shit, and vision is boring, but atleast SumDumFuk gave it his all.

[toxic trout]

DONT DONT DONT PLEASE BRO KEEP YOUR SANITY IM GONNA GROW A 3RD EYE FROM LOSING MY SANITY

[old cave]

Call of duty Dark and darker Activision , bardiche barbarian PUm one tap , FUNNNNNNNN

[whole robin]

Big fart

[slim furnace]

"""I make games for players who are similar to myself"""

[fervent anvil]

so no one in this server

[toxic trout]

BARDICHE WITHOUT PROTECTION RAW DOGGING EVERY OTHER CLASSES LIKE THEY ALWAYS WANT IT

[fervent wigeon]

Sch3nn you really enjoy bouncing on it for SDF. You give him the credit that one statement of "Gear is not in it's final state" means random modifiers come back. Random mods brought out build diversity and made every chest/boss/mob worth at least peeking at. It made it worth it. Clearly the vast majority of players agree when we look at player count and steam charts. I don't get what YOU don't get about it. Must be new.

[jade moat]

So , we all agree or not with the gear change , but this massive player drop come from removing solo and duo Q .
When do we get it back ?

[peak stream]

All in this game are skibidi lovers to sdf

[oak topaz]

M a casual player and I didn't enjoy the game.
M more interested in light pvp and boss fighting and couldn't enjoy any after wipe.
-Got one tapped by boc and windless(me and them white gear)
-killed boss with longsword feels less fun now with the little dmg u do.

• pile loot is all whites makes it less less rewarding.
  It was really dull and boring made me uninstall even tho it's my first time playing the game Season 6.

[toxic trout]

You are clueless as hell.... The reason we DONT LIKE THIS is because of randon modifiers are being removed. THERE IS NO BUILD - NO REASON TO GRIND - NO REASON TO PLAY LONGTERM - NO MARKET VALUE - NO REASON TO CRAFT - NO REASON TO PLAY HEALERS - NO REASON TO TRY AND DO ANYTHING WHEN YOU HAVE THE SAME DAMAGE AS SQUIRE GEAR

[fervent anvil]

"long term planning"

[upbeat harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-sleep-bedtime-gn-good-nite-gif-941658564127963913

[jade moat]

you forgot to have fun 🙂

[oak topaz]

Yeah test server is there for what reason than

[keen thicket]

I could agree if they actually continued balancing every 3-4 days after adding new stats/changes. Semi-wipe began and within a few hours people were spamming bardiche/crossbows. That needed to be addressed within a couple of days, instead we get some crying in sdf's kitchen while everyone spams barb/ranger exploiting the hell out of ''new meta'' like always

[night lintel]

SDF GIVE THE DARK AND DARKER COMPANY TO DIMO

[toxic trout]

THATS HAVING FUN HELLO? You're one of those who play games for 2 hours then hop onto another game for 2 hours and so on i assume?

[toxic trout]

40% of the people who left is solo/duo and other 40% is because of modifiers.

[jade roost]

WHEN PREGNANT GOBLIN SKIN??

[shell root]

You know the game is dead when nobody even cares anymore to read sdfs kitchen anymore.. circus employee reactions in the low hundreds. It’s over

[night lintel]

where is it isnt it removed i thought it burned down? @shell root

[toxic trout]

Dont worry he will beg us to come back when his company is going bankrupt - just like other monkey developers who doesnt realize they have potential but just need to remove their earwax so they can listen to their community

[peak stream]

Y YO ESPERABA CON LA CARITA EMPAPADA QUE SDF ARREGLARA EL JUEGOOOO

[dusky token]

@glad thunder Games can be unbalanced, but they must not be unfun. If a game isn't fun, I won't play it.

[willow sky]

#sdfs-kitchen read this

[mystic marsh]

Wtf is SDF yapping about in his kitchen

[south vigil]

Player count?

[toxic trout]

Its his adopted cousin typing

[torpid ginkgo]

I only have one slot so if I swap classes and then proceed to swap back to the class I was just at, would my level save? Please answer

[slim furnace]

does this man own another game so i never buy them ?

[shell root]

Nah he’s still cope maxing.. @glad thunder you can stop with the kitchen post.. people who read that is down to like 300. iam one of them and I don’t even play the game anymore 💀

[drifting basin]

who can help me?

[fervent anvil]

that he has no idea what a lead game devs job is

[misty dome]

What do you need?

[toxic trout]

We're all here to witness a developer commit his self destruction

[torpid ginkgo]

someone pls answer I desperately need this answer

[misty dome]

@torpid ginkgo I think it resets if you mean deleting and creating a new character

[cosmic swan]

No you'll lose everyting if you delete a character to make a new one

[upbeat robin]

2-3 days before the semi-wipe a friend of mine decided to play the game. He really liked it and got hooked. He was excited for blue items! oh the days! And then the random rolls got removed and his excitement is gone now... Sadge

[toxic trout]

I lowkey really hope this company goes bankrupt and some rich chinese guy who picks it up and make it 1000x better 🙂 just saying. China power for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳

[torpid ginkgo]

Bro did they change rapier or something it feels different

[drifting basin]

complete conversation assigment with foreigner

[mystic marsh]

@sdf add atleast one modifier and make loot great again or your game will continue to die.

[slim furnace]

sure now it send arrows

[south vigil]

Sdf said a whole lot of nothing

[misty dome]

Just practicing english?

[torpid ginkgo]

is bard not meta anymore

[pine roost]

is anyone a part of a dark and darker discord server thats not this one but better

[misty dome]

dead the meta, play what you want to play nows the best time with no gear diffing

[river iron]

please tell me why squire barbs are oneshotting every class? do they actually think thats fair

[drifting basin]

yes, i'll give u question

[cedar shore]

Link it to me too please

[boreal flame]

Disgusting how people are treating innocent devs. It was a great update, be more grateful 🙏

[old cave]

China number one , GENKIDAMA for new donjon crwler game

[misty dome]

Sure message me lol

[celest talon]

Hilarious how they are going to waste time balancing, then revert gear because everyone knows the games pointless without modifiers, then waste more time rebalancing.

[slim furnace]

ad ak-47 please if ur game is an fps

[crimson salmon]

xD

[south vigil]

True, the player count is so low now too. It’s going to stay low until they add modifiers back. Or a system that makes the class building fun again. It’s just squire gear + at all levels and it’s boring. Even my full bis arena kit isn’t fun to use because it’s so dull

[shell grove]

Maybe by the end of the season gem slotting and or some sort of random modifiers will be added

[torpid ginkgo]

wait guys I haven’t played in a couple of months someone explain the dev slander to me

[cinder umbra]

Single-mindedly turning this game into a piece of is indeed a rare determination

[tough tree]

wait guys 1 week more even ppl who ragebaiting saying the game is good gonna drop this game

[celest talon]

Even gemming doesn’t fill the void, the fun part is finding god gear, not gemming. It also ruins budget builds and finding gear upgrades during the raid.

[fervent anvil]

nah the fun part is finding almost god gear and finding the legendary gems in game

[old cave]

when 90 percent of the communauty leave the game cause for a extraction game having no loot , usless pvp and for the first time not fair only 3 good class auther is dogshiet . The game is really bad all playter who spam hold the line are 50h , and have 0 knowledge , dont forget to post a review on steam.

[celest talon]

Gemming is fine, I think it’s good for the game, but how is it not better to find an already perfect rolled item?

[potent topaz]

SDF : In the beginning, the game was developed based on the principles I stole from Nexon, targeting players with preferences similar to small test groups before launch. However, as playtests progressed, we came to realize that a much wider range of players than we had initially expected were falling for our lies, buying our illegal game and investing hopes and dreams into our understaffed and underskilled team that we struggled to pull together from our local reputation failing us for any hires other then completely green hires.

As a result, instead of continuing to dig deeper in the original direction we had set, we decided to shift our focus toward trying to meet the growing demands reflected in my own incoherent command structure as a result of burning through all our stolen nexon recourses. As I’ve said before, I’m not the type of developer who excels at doing real work myself, or explaining my inability to lead or make good design choices, so I just call it my vison. But I didn’t want to just ignore the players’ interest and expectations, this felt like a major opportunity to dump a bunch of re skins, and pay to win features and I agreed with the decision.

We discovered that our player base included solo, duo, and trio players; hardcore and casual users; those who enjoyed dungeon crawling; players who loved PvP; and others who preferred non-competitive experiences. This wide range of audiences meant we had to address a rather large server upkeep cost, while also fighting a damning lawsuit so we cut them as soon as possible despite the backlash.

Because we wanted to quickly build a structure that could satisfy these server upkeep costs, we ended up making a series of shallow choices and going through countless trial and error. As a result, development often felt like a series of reactions to the moment, because I dont let my own team think for themselves, it becomes short term instead of long term
(Part 2 coming, ran out of characters )

[fluid lily]

At this point I think sdf is drunk typing this

[fervent anvil]

finding one gem to let you perfectly craft your bis just makes the gear feel like its yours. cause you crafted with it

[potent topaz]

(What sdf actually said part 2 )

In truth, I wanted to invest time in building deeper content that would support long-term gameplay cycles—things like training systems, personal housing, and guilds. But the shallow systems we had created early on became tangled together into my aptly dubbed vision, and we spent an overwhelming amount of time bottlenecks through my poor leadership and inability to communicate with my staff, and with the community.

[celest talon]

Uhhhh yeah. A found item literally has your name on it and costs no gem or gemming cost and rolls higher. You would rather find an item that has one shitty roll and have to gem it opposed to a perfectly rolled no gem needed item?

[potent topaz]

Translated the kitchen post for ya all hope you enjoy

[neat urchin]

SDF's kitchen TLDR- "It has been years and I still have no idea what I'm doing. Maybe I should change axe spec again and turn back on lobby stutter."

[safe forge]

Revert the patch
2 Queues - Adventure Mode - High Roller
Handicap Duo or Trio by 10% and 20% Respectively Less Damage Dealt / More Damage Received
Remove Marketplace - Self Found
Remove All Attributes / Move Speed / True Damage Random Modifiers
Double the HP Pool TTK

Opinions?

[valid sparrow]

sdf's meaning is If you want to play or not, get out of here.

[old otter]

good bye sdf... Please stay trapped in reckless challenges and self-satisfaction for the rest of your life...

[steady trail]

THE VISION IS REAL

[loud cobalt]

@glad thunder how's the patch working out bozoo 🤣

[small vale]

A couple months is not enough time for you to forget how completely incompetent sdf is

[cinder umbra]

sdf out

[median oxide]

is the new emote pgood?

[normal reef]

4.4k 24 hour peak and we just had the weekend.
Great direction

[agile tide]

Handicap idea would make it wayyy too easy to just pick off stray party members for a solo player

[stiff talon]

so sdf just blamed the entire community and said all the feedback from testing was "shallow choices" that drove them away from the vision... is this guy actually an R word. like genuinely?

[loud creek]

why not make it so that you level up in the dungeon by killing mobs or players

[grizzled citrus]

this update seems fine for new players but what are the veterans supposed to be doing so we dont die of boredom?

[agile tide]

Actual fun idea, balance decisions between killing sub bosses or PKing

[celest talon]

It’s wild how builds went from incredibly complex and in-depth to completely flat overnight. I remember needing to do research to understand how the roles would affect my character and how certain things scaled with one another. Learning the market, popular items versus unpopular items building budget builds based on that. The game went from incredibly complex and fun and rewarding to garbage.

[hard wharf]

I can't believe that SDF thinks TTK is slow right now thats the only thing I gathered from the kitchen posts

[fleet merlin]

Proposed that a while back, no one listens to these kinds of systems.

This or SSF, makes the game so much fun.

[river oyster]

gotta love that sdf is just straight up admitting that he is a shit dev in the kitchen rn

[celest talon]

There are mobile games with deeper character creation, builds, and diversity than this trash.

[misty dome]

Go play those then, and stop whining

[small vale]

Bro the messages in #sdfs-kitchen are AI generated lmao

[celest talon]

Hey guys Tyler here, longtime squire gear enjoyer. Really enjoying the new patch because everyone is now the same! See you in the dungeon!

[north fable]

wut , did sdf just said he supported random modifiers, but not too long ago he wished he had removed it during the development?

[boreal island]

he said he thought for a while he could make it work, but ultimately came to the conclusion he can't. At least not while also having the gear gap be reasonable

[glad pebble]

My inconsistent decisions and shallow responses to feedback from various types of players have led to the current state of the game, and I now believe that this outcome is not ideal. That was entirely my mistake, and I will not repeat it again. From now on, I will move forward with clear focus toward the final vision we have for the game. This does not mean that I will stop listening to player feedback. Rather, it means that I want to stay true to the direction we're aiming for, filtering feedback through that lens without being easily swayed.

To put our future direction more simply:

We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player’s character increasingly powerful, and instead shift toward a model where players become increasingly wealthy. Of course, players who invest time will still feel a certain amount of power growth and advantage, but I want to ensure that opponents never feel completely hopeless when facing them.

[umbral urchin]

And the games cooked lmao

[woeful tartan]

but I want to ensure that opponents never feel completely hopeless when facing them." = than makes 80% of players play 1v3 xdddd

[prime cosmos]

we can uninstall. RIP it was good run

[north fable]

so it mostly came from a sense of regret that he cant achieve his vision?

[neat urchin]

You hear that guys?! Were rich!!!!

[misty dome]

Yea the new patch is cool, having to win with Skill is more enjoyable than buying a kit and stomping timmies, sorry you can't enjoy a skill based system, what are you aiming to achieve with the whining, did your parents let you get your own way if you whined enough?

[fleet merlin]

@glad thunder I dare you to put a poll on this chanel. Let's see what your player base feedback will give you.
Let's see if you actually listen. Your vision is killing the game but you're unable to see it

[woeful tartan]

literally few minutes ago on sdf kitchen he said that he sees that nobody likes his vision and it didnt work out, but HE WILL STILL CONTIUNE XDDD

[torn sedge]

just give us back modifiers, give us something to look forward to and make actual builds.

[north fable]

he really be smoking some exquisite spice to have his vision of his

[crisp wren]

Does anyone have any idea what SDF means by wealthy? Like, if wealth no longer equals power then what is it supposed to give you other than number go up in gold count

[mystic sky]

Good job on the latest patch @glad thunder It took 2 years but the game finally feels 10% more like an actual adventuring game. I changed my negative review to a positive one 👍

[icy solar]

I read the sdf crap. Can you explain to me what he meant at the end. I don't understand what the hell he's going to do?

[celest talon]

Ohhhh “winning” what exactly are you “winning” Tyler? Are you looting the gear after a “win”? The same exact gear you’re wearing of could buy a billion copies of from the market, all the exact saaaame gear?

[atomic grove]

Does anyone have any idea what SDF means by wealthy? Like, if wealth no longer equals power then what is it supposed to give you other than number go up in gold count

[trim quail]

this game is total ass now.

[north fable]

idk, prestige? kinda ass

[distant comet]

Gear will not be the progression, wealth will be. Which means they have to implement some new system that makes looting in dungeons interesting again, because doing so for gear upgrades won't really be that important.

[mystic sky]

I just got back in here to say that I enjoyed the new patch

[glad pebble]

My inconsistent decisions and shallow responses to feedback from various types of players have led to the current state of the game, and I now believe that this outcome is not ideal. That was entirely my mistake, and I will not repeat it again. From now on, I will move forward with clear focus toward the final vision we have for the game. This does not mean that I will stop listening to player feedback. Rather, it means that I want to stay true to the direction we're aiming for, filtering feedback through that lens without being easily swayed.

To put our future direction more simply:

We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player’s character increasingly powerful, and instead shift toward a model where players become increasingly wealthy. Of course, players who invest time will still feel a certain amount of power growth and advantage, but I want to ensure that opponents never feel completely hopeless when facing them.

[neat urchin]

"This does not mean I will stop listening to player feedback"

You ain't foolin anyone. You never really listened.

[torn sedge]

Become wealthy...... for what reason there is nothing to buy in the current state\

[potent topaz]

@glad thunder suddenly now you realize this a bad state of the game? 20% positive on steam, 2000 players in dungeon,

You want to fix the game? Sit down, with the community, and listen. Hold some community discussions, give feedback on what your working on, let us help you. You dont need to shoulder this game alone. Set a date, where tons of streamers can have a day to talk to you, not just 3 or 4, set a day, talk to them all. If this game had communication, and a plan set in place for updates, it will never die. As it's going right now, it will be dead next season

[trim quail]

gold is useless this patch.

[icy solar]

Didn't he think that before removing one, you first need to add a new system? It's so stupid.

[mystic sky]

I've also got like 1k+ from looting geared players so I think the loot is still worth something, but player interaction have been at an all time high with the new handshake system

[crisp wren]

Hey @glad thunder could you explain what you mean by wealthy?

What will wealth be useful for if it doesn't translate to power or strength? Thanks

[marble chasm]

@crisp wren I can see a time = wealth system work if wealth alctually gives you something. So given that he wants PvP to not be significantly affacted by gear, then gold sinks would need to be put in place like: skins, PvE (e.g., undead slaying bonus, or boss slaying bonus, or PDR against mobs), guild hall upgrades,

[distant comet]

Well thats what this semi wipe is for presumably, we just have to wait and hope the actual wipe includes a system that takes advantage of this new direction. I personally would love the marketplace to be removed and fog of war to be reintroduced and have the game focus more on an external progression like how Legacy is doing it (vendor reputation, lodge advancement)

[cobalt harbor]

Sdf posted an essay in the kitchen but somehow managed to say nothing at all. Insane.

[marble chasm]

@copper mesa They gotta make their money somewhere.

[stiff talon]

he said alot, he said y'all distracted me from the vision and all the community feedback and what people actually want from the game are side quests and wasted dev time. hes gonna make a game for players like himself hold this middle finger

[potent topaz]

Why is this actually so accurate?

[crisp wren]

I think that's fine for a game where money is more of an accidental or side quest thing, but in a looting game, looting is the name of the game

I don't know if I would play this game just to battle royale / earn skins

[fleet surge]

Anyone get artifacts this wipe yet?

[outer dagger]

Pretty uninspiring skins at that

[misty dome]

Winning the fight Paulie, isn't that the aim of the game? Yes I won't pick up the squire gear but maybe we've cleaned the lobby and can now go loot boss/pile, make some crafted gear and maybe loot a few legendries along the way, saving those up for an Arena/Try hard HR kit, even playing field is the best move for this game moving forward, gear diffing was so out of control, but I guess you had BIS kits and enjoyed stomping squire gear noobs so you "Won"

[tidal jasper]

what's the point of wealth if yo uhave nothing to use it on wtf

[neat urchin]

@glad thunder wanna know a great way to fix this mess? Go on a podcast with Jay, soapy, Lorr and oggieson. Take a moment to apologize to them and then LISTEN to some of their ideas and feedback. Not everything they say will be great for the game but they would be some of the most knowledge and credible players to get feedback from. Just drop the fucking vision bullshit.

[icy solar]

I'm still a fan of loot, but I understand you. I just don't understand what sdf is doing. His game is already in decline, and he just cuts all the systems. His team is constantly working on crap, which he then removes from the game. Or how it was, he introduced modifiers of all attributes on all clothes, the community began to be indignant and say that this is very bad. So after that he added +3 to all attributes. But then in the end he followed the lead of the community (the same with multiclasses), etc. Why can't he immediately listen to the community and come up with something that no one needs

[rancid sun]

@sdf wanna know a great way to fix this mess? Go on a podcast with Jay, soapy, Lorr and oggieson. Take a moment to apologize to them and then LISTEN to some of their ideas and feedback. Not everything they say will be great for the game but they would be some of the most knowledge and credible players to get feedback from. Just drop the fucking vision bullshit.

[celest talon]

Sdf is literally obsessed with not wanting geared players to feel any stronger than a squire gear players. Everyone was wealthy last wipe!! If you weren’t running gear it’s your fault.

[bitter citrus]

That sure was a hell of a lot of words for SDF to say it is our fault that he ran his game into the ground. Most of the shit he added and removed was never asked for by the community. Also, what does not good at anticipating the future mean? He can't make a plan and follow it? At least he admitted there is no direction whatsoever to the game and he is just flying by the seat of his pants.

[distant comet]

im interested in seeing how they handle quests going forward, the game has become a bloodbath again as soon as they added in matchmaking; the first day of the wipe was okay because the only way you could form groups outside of premades was in dungeon with the handshake, one day later they add matchmaking back in and the dungeon has become an arena again; doing quests in that environment will be both impossible and unenjoyable for the majority of players

[outer dagger]

We've had 3 years of this back and forth nonsense and I don't see it changing. His words ring hollow

[crisp wren]

I've gotten common gloves from HR liche, does that count

[fleet surge]

lol I don’t doubt it I’ve been getting nothing but blues and a purple if I’m lucky in hr from BOSSES. shit is wild

[icy solar]

I don't understand then what's the point of the game if there is no excitement of hunting for loot. Complete quests? They are terribly boring

[mystic sky]

@glad thunder I personally think that random rolls aren't bad to have as long as we remove all attributes, true damage, move speed, hp and all redundant stats like memory capacity instead of knowledge. The other stats were fairly limited in scope and still gave players some agency to having builds, and slotting gear was kinda cool. You could even have just one random roll just to give purpose to the gem slotting system that was already implemented.

[distant comet]

which is why a lot of people have suggested that gear should involve PVE bonuses that way PVP can be more easily tuned for balance; and then the focus of the game should be enhancing and improving the PVE content

[bitter citrus]

the point is to fill your stash tabs with gold that doesn't buy anything then wait for wipe apparently.

[trim quail]

this game is actual dog water now. if SDF wants to make a game for himself then make a single player game and quit trying to take our fucking money.

[mystic sky]

Agreed. Harder PvE is a step in the right direction imo. Pvp hardcore people are just hating hard on it

[crisp wren]

We already have a few crafted gear that gives PvE bonuses

These items, however, are like 5 in total and are gatekept behind literally dozens of hours of questing + grinding for the materials

[neat urchin]

@glad thunder wanna know a great way to fix this mess? Go on a podcast with Jay, soapy, Lorr and oggieson. Take a moment to apologize to them and then LISTEN to some of their ideas and feedback. Not everything they say will be great for the game but they would be some of the most knowledge and credible players to get feedback from. Just drop the fucking vision bullshit.

[icy solar]

There will never be interesting PVE in this game, it is already insanely boring for those who played it for more than 100 hours.

[crisp wren]

It is insanely boring for anyone from the first moment. I've said it and I'll say it again, this game's mobs are at the level of 2002 RPGs or worse

[distant comet]

right, but it can also be more generalized, instead of granting true magic on caster gear for example, it could instead be passive spell recovery so wizards can recover spells faster which isn't an overt PVP advantage like true magic is; you can then have modifiers like undead slaying, demon slaying, etc.

[outer dagger]

That's the problem I have here. Eventually the PVE gets boring, then the looting and PVP gets dull. The game is pretty shallow once you've been playing a while

[celest talon]

Ohhhh you’re really grinding out those base stat legendaries huh, getting that +1 to your strength really puts you over the top, yeah that feels way better than finding a perfectly rolled legendary piece of gear. I have a news flash, the game “feels” better to you because the top players aren’t playing, you’re fighting other newbs right now. The people that dumpstered you before the wipe are the same people that would dumpster you after the wipe, they just happen to not be in the dungeon.

[crisp wren]

Those modifiers you talk about are already a thing. I'm not talking about true damage. There's a few weapons that give bonus vs undead and that sorta stuff.

[neat urchin]

-joined DaD discord june 5th 2025

Fucking lol, like anything you say or think about this game or what I say matters.

[hazy rain]

Way to say youll explain what sdf's vision is but then proceed to just say "yeah im doing what I want" without providing any clue of what to expect

[distant comet]

Honestly, the gear bloat wouldn't be an issue without marketplace; I believe marketplace has been the issue all along. The game needs to be self found, player markets have turned the game into a spreadsheet simulator. Gold needs to be used exclusively to upgrade a "lodge" or player systems. Increasing storage sizes, vendor reputation, cosmetic items, passive buffs, etc.

[icy solar]

That's right, I always said that it was necessary after the winter patches where they made a good balance patch, especially for 0-225. Yes, of course there were problems, but not critical ones. Just start making content and polishing the balance a little. And PvE players had their own mode. Instead, it kept jumping from side to side.

[cold venture]

i agree in a way i love market tho

[cosmic swan]

So to make it short. SDF want to make PvP more fair between player who can put a lot of hours in the game and people who don't. To do that he want to make the gear less powerful and less interesting so PvP and farming gear isn't the main goal of the game and instead make farming gold the new main goal. And to make farming gold interesting he plan to add new "gold sink"/out of the dungeon system like Guild and Personal housing.

And it took him 2 year to say that. If that's what he actually want to do, it's not that bad honestly but I feel like that's pretty much what the community was asking for this whole time

[gilded viper]

REGRESSEDN2 - guy with this name teammate killer

[distant comet]

removing marketplace would incentivize looting for treasures, gold wouldnt simply be used to buy gear in and endless loop; they could focus then on gold sinks like side progressions instead of the marketplace. gear wouldn't be such a factor because even the best players would eventually lose their crazy BIS kits. etc.

[languid finch]

What's the point in the game at this stage? The course the game is taking is removing the whole purpose of playing and replacing the need for good loot with nothing and to top it off make your most popular game mode of solos a nightmare to do anymore. The fact stands that nothing exciting happens anymore, like who cares if I find legandary shit you die to two shots of a white longbow or get one taped by barbs. Even artifacts don't give you an advantage like they used to. Who wants to run a 1% drop rate item if you can die just as fast using squire gear? If in a week there isn't an update on things to fight for I'm buying a new game and moving on.

[gilded viper]

we was in one team (use new mechanic) and second floor he stabb me on back 1 shot

[mystic sky]

I hope this game will remove wipes altogether and go for a more Hunt Showdown approach to their monetization when they reach the desired state of the game. Also give us a Felicia skin instead of the dumb cat felidian skins.

[bitter citrus]

that's the game. that's how it is and what happens.

[hazy rain]

Honestly i dont have that much of an issue with gear gap. At least beating those or finding good pieces was nice. Now its just boring. With the gemming stuff before this patch it actually felt really easy to at least be competitive

[icy solar]

I haven't seen an artifact from any streamer yet. Does it even drop now?

[stiff talon]

no artifacts in the game because nobody is playing LUL

[mellow river]

@sdf why can’t I see any player or mob pronouns?

[languid finch]

You can buy them online so people don't grind them out anymore

[mystic sky]

Artifact effects should be more common imo

[misty dome]

Sorry that I'm enjoying the game you can't bring yourself to play, but have all the time in the world to complain about it every few minutes, you'll never leave this discord and move on, so lets agree to let you continue whining until you are validated by strangers on the internet, no problem ❤️

[distant comet]

remove marketplace, bring back fog of war, keep gear as it currently is, bring back goldsmith gem socketing to build gear but keep it restrained, constrain shit like move speed bonuses and true damage; develop interesting gold sinks

[stiff talon]

"To speak a bit more specifically about the current state of the game, I’m generally satisfied with where things are now, and I plan to use this point as the foundation for further tuning". satisfied with less than 3k global first week of wipe. yep.

[mystic sky]

Exactly. Remove true damage, move speed, HP and all attributes from gear forever and you have a good system @glad thunder One random roll on gear probably won't break the game

[glad pebble]

It saddens me to hear claims that we’re intentionally ruining the game. I remain full of hope for its future and still have plenty of energy. All of us will continue doing our absolute best to help the game grow and evolve. We are truly grateful to everyone who continues to support us through all the challenges. Thank you.

[rustic mist]

Yes they drop, I have seen zirkzis

[vast kayak]

let's start by buffing those loot tables.. i'm ready to find some uniques in adventure mode

[gilded viper]

listen, if developers get out slowmovement if u hit ur teammate - i was take the battle and maybe win. and alive. but. halbert - 1 hit its unnormally. now very hard find some interesting because chance is low, and teammates kill u on back. need find some solution, that this guys was banned for this or something else

[bitter citrus]

people still recommending stuff like SDF didn't just say all the community feedback made him ruin the game and he is going to approach feedback with blinders on from this point

[icy solar]

No thanks, I want to sell the loot and buy myself a setup right away. And not sit in the fucking chat and write I sell loot, buy please. And then sit for another hour buying the things I need. The rest is possible

[mystic sky]

Listening to player feedback is what ruined the game in the first place. Happens to a lot of games

[distant comet]

it would help if every class had a block option or the ability to parry attacks; a barbarian with his immunity to knockback can just run down a wizard who has no option to defend himself, no blink, no magic shield they can hold in front of them, nothing; its situations like that that need to be addressed, too limited in options

[celest talon]

Hey guys Tyler here! Just found a legendary piece of gear to upgrade from epic. 1 strength increase!! Boy do I feel strong. Thanks SDF for making all the chads quit the game, see you guys in the dungeon!

[edgy kraken]

god damn wizard feels so tedious to play now with all these crossbow players smh

[last spoke]

tbh old trade system did help market value whereas the economy is broken since auction house

[misty dome]

You've already said this Paulie, try something original.

[bitter citrus]

no, removing solos and deleting gear ruined the game. lets be real here.

[pearl thunder]

@glad thunder the things you're working on don't sound bad. But why can't you work on these things with solos re-added to the game.

Even if the game isn't balanced around solos I just flat out don't always want to play trios. So please re-add solos for the community to enjoy the game then continue working on what you're working on

[distant comet]

im saying that it should be self found only, no player trading at all; just a preference, I understand those who enjoy the economy side of things but I feel it has ruined the game at this point edit: to add, player trading could be possible in dungeon, but you would at least have to risk entering the dungeon and extracting to do this

[keen ocean]

MULTICLASSING LMFAOO

[last spoke]

keep solo and trio. Remove DUOS and that will help with queue

[gilded viper]

I agree, there are such moments. I have ideas on how to balance the game, but I've only been playing for 1700 hours, not 3000+, so no one will listen to me)))

[sturdy agate]

SDF is cooking some 💩

[glad pebble]

To speak a bit more specifically about the current state of the game, I’m generally satisfied with where things are now, and I plan to use this point as the foundation for further tuning.

[icy solar]

And how is it broken? Maybe only for high tier players whose entire stash was filled with artifacts. I had no problems with this. And I usually use sets for an average of 10k no more

[mellow river]

@sdf I got verbally abused by 3 players about my sexuality. Can you spawn me some artifacts?

[bitter citrus]

nothing will fix queues when there is 1500 people in lobby and 100 different queues

[last spoke]

keep solo and trios, remove duos. fixes one of the main problems on dev side(queue size) and community side (fun)

[fallow basalt]

after all the backlash he is still doubling down on his shit vision lol gg dead game

[distant comet]

I never said it was broken, I said it has ruined the looting aspect of the game. People ignore 90% of chests and rush bosses or gold piles because they know thats where the best loot is. The limited self found mode we had last wipe exposed this fact, since people returned to looting the dungeon to equip themselves, it was a successful test. Fog of war also assisted in this.

[radiant furnace]

This is an idea that a very very very small percentage of the community wants and would kill the game further

[mystic sky]

💯

[celest talon]

Admit it, before the patch you had gear fear and would horde loot. After patch gear is worthless so finally you’re not scared to bring some epics into the dungeon and it feels pretty good.

[bitter citrus]

that would double the queues at this point. wouldn't bring people back though because the current state of the game is hot garbage

[left crater]

@zinc sparrow are you satisfied with the state of the game like SDF is? is 2k players satisfying from a peak of 100k?

[trim quail]

none of this has ANYTHING to do with gear fear. Patch sucks ass. Player count proves that 90% of players dislike it. Defeding it is cringe.

[icy solar]

So it's more about skill. Knowing where the loot is, being able to kill bosses and protect the loot. In my opinion, everything was not bad. The more you know about the game, the better your loot. Even if you don't know how to pvp

[distant comet]

I'm sorry but the only people left playing this game are those that matchmake queue into a trio group, die in the inevitable PVP encounter 10 seconds into the match and then immediately leave the group instead of waiting to be revived. That is the majority of the playerbase at the moment. What is the point of a dungeon, may as well just be arena at this point, thats how people play the game.

[mystic sky]

Before the patch I wouldn't grind for dozens of hours gold mining to get a decent kit that lasted 30 minutes. That's all I'll say. I stopped playing the game and I just came back and having fun

[misty dome]

Can't admit to something I didn't do, my coffers were dry and stash empty from the gear I did lose, but dying and learning from mistakes is part of the fun. It does feel good that the risk is lower now, especially for newer players, which everyone seems to push away by 3v1 stomping a noob or review bombing the game because " I dOnT lIkE tHiS pAtCh"

[trim quail]

Still no new content, Arena still isnt a permenant feature, Taking content away. Rambling on about how his only audience is himself. SDF = SUM DUM FUK

[mystic sky]

The game just turned into a battle royale over time

[last spoke]

it would bring people back as many left simply bc of solos not bc gear is bad
i play trios personally but i think just having solos/trios would be okay

[graceful belfry]

"We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player’s character increasingly powerful, and instead shift toward a model where players become increasingly wealthy."

So what is the point of wealth?

[warm rune]

And you will leave again once you realize there is nothing to do

[rocky spear]

multiclassing? are u guys serious rn

[distant comet]

god no please, not again

[mystic sky]

I didn't like pvp psychopaths so I'll probably leave the game if true damage and move speed are reintroduced in gear

[fossil stream]

yo sdf w chatgpt

[icy solar]

I would introduce something like this for a few days, as an event. At first it was fun and interesting

[marble chasm]

"no quiver because range is too strong" doesn't make sense. In PvP, if the ranger doesn't care about looting, then entering the dungeon with 150 arrows won't stop the ranger from being OP. @glad thunder Add the quiver plz, for QoS sake

[opal dust]

Game is good state rn

[warm rune]

I’m one of the pvp psychopaths but I also agree true and ms rolls are terrible for pvp

[tranquil plover]

🤨 👈 🌀 🌀 🖐️

[vital dew]

@mystic sky rly?
Do you really think that most people left because of the attributes and not because they only made a trio?

[bitter citrus]

just because that's why they left doesn't mean they would come back if it was readded. they disrespected and alienated the vast majority of their player base. people don't forget.

[glad pebble]

I dont know why they can just put hard caps on random modifiers, just feel like it was too hard and they gave up

[stiff talon]

greenknight said it took him dozens of hours to make a decent kit, that says enough 😂

[marble chasm]

@mystic sky There needs to be a reason to gather gear and play. If adding the ability to aquire a single true damage or +all by maxing out some re-playable system, i think that's fair

[fervent wigeon]

OMG How dense can someone be. Let me bring back the MOST hated things about the game. Removal of random modifiers AND multi class. This has to be intentional destruction of the game. Totally and completely cooked.

[vital dew]

@mystic sky
You're probably one of those people who log into free mode on weekends.

[trim quail]

need to wait in queue for 10 minutes to even find a trio and this guy made it TrIoS OnLy

[gilded viper]

@zinc sparrow How can I contact the developers? I have a few ideas that can help improve the feel of the game without losing its hardcore. Regarding SDF, this is my opinion, but I think that the person undeservedly gets so much hate. He and the development team are trying to balance the game so that there are no imbalanced classes. All mages and the archer, including the rogue and barbarian, the PDR classes suffer from the cleric, the rondel dagger is strong in the hands of the bard and fighter, so it is reasonable that the damage from the dagger is cut, but then the rogue is killed, because all his abilities are sharpened for the use of daggers, and there is no way to parry with a short sword (and dagger) accordingly, now the rogues are extinct, and the archers received an incomparable buff (2 arrows in normal - kill, not to mention the highroll) for this modifiers played a role in the form of covering the weaknesses of the classes. I've been playing since December and I've noticed a tendency that modifiers give too much of a spread. This needs to be balanced, the previous meta of 330 movespeed for barbarians and clerics is too much. But one fireball for 100+ damage for a mage is also not normal (like the sorceress's everlasting wall) and the sorcerer is a killed class due to the increase in cooldowns. The druid needs to be nerfed because panthers are more potent than rogues with poison and huge attack speed. But how can this be done? You can completely rework the principle of equipment attributes. How can this be done? There are a couple of ideas but not for the general discussion

[mystic sky]

I think that would ruin the game. There's plenty of reason to get better gear currently, people are just not used to not getting free wins in pvp because of gear IMO

[icy solar]

Even more unique rings were broken for true damage. I don't think it's a big problem with normal stuff on true damage. But speed, I agree with that.

[glad pebble]

he gonna ignore u bro rip

[distant comet]

If you want to see what is wrong with the game, look at a streamer playing it. Entire inventory full of consumables, francesca axes, arrows, w.e. No incentive to loot anything. Bee lining through rooms to POIs and killing every timmy in sight. Full map awareness because of no fog of war. Full PVP psychosis. People like that need arena activated 24/7.

[bitter citrus]

ikr 1 match you could cap normals gear, 2 or 3 you could cap HR1

[celest talon]

Pre patch, even a below average rat player should have a decent budget kit in 15 minutes….

[stiff talon]

list a single reason. List 1 single reason to get better gear currently please.

[marble chasm]

@mystic sky Plz list the reasons to get gear, when a white-bardich can one-tap virtually anybody regardless of gear

[small vale]

Lmao so fucking funny sdf follows his vision without listening to feedback in any meaningful way destroys the fucking game than blames the community for making him deviate from his vision and says that now he will follow his vision like it was not his vision that fucked the whole game

[mystic sky]

I've survived fights in like 2hp from wearing plate on my fighter, likewise I've barely won fights for using legendary weapons. Bardiche kinda sucks tho, you need like 40-50% PDR to survive it.

[icy solar]

Check out the podcast with Jay. There, former employees talked about how SDF never cared about the opinions of others. And especially not about yours.

[celest talon]

Why can’t I find Sdf kitchen, need to read his stupidity

[bitter citrus]

lol everything the community wanted added was the most popular stuff to be added to the game. guess that doesn't really matter now that he's admitted to only making the game for himself.

[marble chasm]

@mystic sky if you lived with 2 hp, don't you think a blue bardich wouldn't one-tap you?

[void kestrel]

My god, it was the players who bought and supported the game this whole time that were ruining it! What a plot twist

[opal dust]

Dw guys, game is in good state right now, very good foundation. No copium

[mystic sky]

I also think wizards will see buffs eventually if true damage never comes back and I'm all for it. F true damage and all attributes

[nocturne remnant]

@zinc sparrow on amazon they have 50$ lego sets that might be easier for @glad thunder rather than trying to dumb the game down for himself

[marble chasm]

@mystic sky I can agree with you there

[mystic sky]

❤️

[distant comet]

Maybe wizards can finally have more than one ice spell. Ice mastery my ass.

[misty dome]

Agreed I've survived on hitpoints that gear gave me too, gear is still useful just nowhere near as broken as before, but the "Chads" are sad they can't have 30% action speed anymore

[worthy talon]

#bringbackssf #removethemarket

[rocky spear]

i cant believe sdf can see 4500 ppl on peak wipe sunday and think "im satisfied where things are"

[icy solar]

Sdf - players asked to increase ttk, and I decided that it is necessary to remove loot from the game (makes headshot bonus 200%)

[gilded viper]

i think that not. i'm played more game that gear give u more chance to survive? and i love rpg-games

[spiral totem]

if we get intentionally griefed and killed by a teammate(forced) for loot is there any way to report that? or is that encouraged?

[honest oriole]

The head developer literally just stated that he’s not taking any community feedback

[bitter citrus]

wow they haven't even started on the mastery/progression system... not even on their "internal roadmap" which I'm assuming only exists inside sdfs head. funny because they announced that like 2 years ago and even had placeholder stuff for it in game.

[mystic sky]

Exactly. I think you can have modifiers too without giving people free wins. But a lot of people here suck without gear

[small vale]

The real reason the game doesnt have a roadmap is that if it had a roadmap sdf would not be able to blame de community just like he did lmao

[misty dome]

Exactly that, now it's even and requires skill the Chads are sad, you can't keep everyone happy but maybe the last 4000 of us can enjoy the changes coming and look forward to what's next, dwelling on the past is no way to live

[gilded viper]

more peoples played for some exclusive items - it gonna take demigod and stop the game. its problem too. like to low content. some quests looks like "come to DAD like work, 8 hours and quests is done" its not intersting search into crypt 7 skeletons with spear

[mystic sky]

I say give us more RP and PvE content. Even give mobs more attacks lol

[coral python]

Dark and darker player base is a bunch of babies. play somethihng else while you tune into discord to cry

[burnt crest]

sdf: I don't care about casual players, I just want to make my own game(Most of the money he earned was from casual players)

[south vigil]

your take is ass

[mystic sky]

I'm an ass guy, what can I say

[gilded viper]

i think what IRONMACE team needed some people who gonna give ideas for quests, content and other points. and developers team can not waste time for it, and take ur time for balancing the gaame

[bitter citrus]

oh and they're bringing back multiclassing lmao. one of the most unpopular/broken features to ever be added.

[spiral totem]

where did they say that???

[void kestrel]

That and he has no real vision or plan. Just trying to hold on to power for as long as possible. As was said in court, he developed nearly the entirety of DaD as a second job while working for Nexon ( in 10 months ), yet he is unable to implement nearly anything in 3 years besides pointless stat changes. Three years and we got a half assed shield fix and no quivers. No way in hell he actually made this game legit

[misty dome]

What I want to see:

Class Balancing
Talent trees to account for missing stats on classes
One roll per item no crazy things like move speed or true phys/mag
Water Map

[radiant furnace]

That’s because of the horrible changes SDF has implemented. Your suggestion would only make things worse. The game is in a horrible state right now. They refuse to listen to their community and are more so trying to cater to new players. But no new players want to play because it’s no longer fun or rewarding. Even when it wasn’t that fun people would play to gather gear because it was rewarding. Now that’s gone since modifiers are and you can get a bis kit after one single run.

[bitter citrus]

Additionally, based on our previous multiclass testing, we’re also considering a training system resembling a subclass concept, where players could allocate levels across multiple classes within a 20-level cap.-SDFs kitchen

[rich scroll]

3 years of development just to go back to pre realeased

[pine shell]

trash game bad enough said👍

[fair dust]

ggs to game

[midnight nebula]

Did you guys know?
In french SDF means homeless

[bitter citrus]

so basically getting rid of classes so all classes can be all classes

[mystic sky]

I'm skeptical about multiclass, I don't think it's needed personally. It'll remove some of the identity of each player having a role in the party

[minor gulch]

Yup, goodbye to this game Gg he killed his game

[minor saddle]

has anything been mentioned about bringing solos back? everything else with this update is great but i feel like a goof holding my hand out to randoms for a trio

[ornate heath]

after reading all of that sdf kitchen its clear to me that there still isnt a clear vision nor understanding what makes this game fun.... gg

[analog temple]

Leaving the discord now, I can't see a world where the game I loved returns, I don't hope for it's downfall though, the current version of Dark and Darker is just not for me anymore.

[bitter citrus]

he said adding solos and other such popular features ruined the game for him so unlikely to come back

[misty dome]

Use the LFG in discord and add people you enjoy playing with, easy to get a few solid people

[distant comet]

You continue to reply to my statements without looking at the overall argument I am making. I have offered various solutions and suggestions and pointed out problems in various posts. Replying to a single statement out of context without also referencing previous posts I'm making in this chain is just wasting my time lol. I understand that the current state of the game is an issue, it does not change the fact that the only people playing are those players I mentioned. It does not change the fact that my suggestions to improve loot would resolve these issues nor that removing marketplace would benefit the game. At this point I won't argue the issue further as our speaking into the void will not affect the development of the game anyways. Whatever.

[minor saddle]

i prefer not relying on randoms lol love solos. thats a shame

[void kestrel]

That's the problem. He doesn't even know what his job is. His job should be to make the game fun for the players so the studio can survive. Not so he has fun playing the game personally. Such a stupid mentality

[opal mason]

For all the shit I've given SDF, he's correct with everything except the removal of solo and duo. Random modifiers are cancer and it's better to have a much more linear power progression as opposed to an exponential one.

[misty dome]

I'm afraid thats the only real option at the moment, you can queue solo and loot the outer modules fairly safely, but when it comes to fighting there isn't much point

[mystic sky]

It's literally move speed, true damage, HP and all attributes that are cancer

[coral python]

SSorry you have to play adungeon crawler like a crawler instead of POE

[minor saddle]

i was the biggest sdf bootlicker i cant lie but i cant defend this bs lmao

[frosty terrace]

annnnd its officially over

[void kestrel]

someone link me sdf's kitchen so i can laugh

[bitter citrus]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1375433683737116713

[honest oriole]

#sdfs-kitchen message

second paragraph of this message he says he wants to bring back multiclassing

[safe mountain]

phuck

[frosty terrace]

"random modifieres will not necesarrily make a return" yep bro pack it up

[frigid bridge]

surely the 3rd time they add multiclassing will work( it wont these guys are goofy as helllll)

[coral python]

create your own game or play another one like every other gamer has done since forever. babies lmao

[mellow river]

@sdf please add an African classs as well as an African-American class (use google as a reference) other players and myself are deeply concerned about the racial injustices being overlooked. @zinc sparrow @glad thunder

[bitter citrus]

gear, nah. class identity, nah. balanced classes with basic gear, nope. progression system, hey they are considering adding it to the roadmap after announcing it two years ago.

[minor saddle]

we are allowed to be upset when a game weve invested alot of time into gets crazy changes that ruin alot of gameplay for alot of ppl

[frosty terrace]

i mean ye people are quitting r u bricked in the head

[neon mesa]

My friend group played for the excitement of finding rare powerful items and this patch took the fun out of the game for us. Hoping they undo this ASAP

[lusty pelican]

Sdf vision literally killed his game and says he's happy about it and is going to continue doing it, xD

[bitter citrus]

don't forget it's the community's fault for the game completely going of the rails

[azure thorn]

Nice speech from SDF: "the game was developed based on the principles I mentioned earlier, targeting players with preferences similar to mine" !!!

[safe mountain]

We will move away from the current model where investing time makes a player’s character increasingly powerful, and instead shift toward a model where players become increasingly wealthy. Of course, players who invest time will still feel a certain amount of power growth and advantage, but I want to ensure that opponents never feel completely hopeless when facing them. - Yes, give me my 100k gold to buy unique gear which doesnt mean shit.

[void kestrel]

developing in circles. Multi-classing was already done twice. jfc

[glad pebble]

huh?

[small vale]

[...] players who invest time will still feel a certain amount of power growth and advantage, but I want to ensure that opponents never feel completely hopeless when facing them.

What about increasing the skill ceiling of the game with an overhaul to the combat system instead of fucking destroying the entire game?

[lusty pelican]

Yes, yes, it was the community that destroyed items and loot in a game about loot, did not keep its promises in future updates, did not fight cheaters to such an extent that one of the most popular content makers played with cheats and did not get punished, and it is the community that killed the entire online in the game due to an ill-considered disgusting update that finishes off the last active players. Good luck playing a game with 5-1k online!

[misty dome]

Indeed, stop complaining and saying you will leave, just leave and touch grass, whining and crying for validation wont change anything

[coral python]

facts

[loud cobalt]

@glad thunder you're sad that people are calling you out for trying to ruin your game while you nuked your player base by ruining your game 🤣 were you dropped on your head?

[gray rivet]

The ENTIRE POINT of squire lobbies is to cater to new players, why fuck the whole game over to cater to people who already had a mode perfect for them

[minor saddle]

3k players lol

[small vale]

Imagine crying about people crying about a game. I literally few disgusted by this shit, blocked 🤢

[lusty pelican]

who cares dude? sdf vision works so that a player who spends 12 hours a day in the game should be equal to a player who logs in once a week for half an hour

[loud cobalt]

@glad thunder BIG NUMBERS BOSS

[ornate heath]

Guys can I please cry, the game that used to be fun is fkn dead because of some vision 😢

[void kestrel]

Nerfing gear into being pointless isn't the answer. A better response would be to make PvE not so simplistic so that players could jump into battle at a better moment and secure an advantage against stronger players. Also, they could stop classes like druid and warlock running away so easily for no risk 99% of the time. Sdf is showing he has no idea what makes his game fun and has no interest in learning

[bitter citrus]

none of it REALLY matters because the likelihood of this game surviving the next 7 weeks at the rate of player loss it is having is very unlikely

[glad pebble]

the wipes gonna be a hail mary

[bitter citrus]

and SDF is the QB and the WR

[lusty pelican]

sdf is literally an old version of ai that still can't add 2+2, even when people around him tell him how to do it, it's complete nonsense, this is the first time I've met such a stubborn developer, blinded by his own idiocy

[void kestrel]

he's the walter white of poor game development

[small vale]

The Isle main developer acts the exact same way its so funny

[ornate heath]

is it that dino game?

[glad pebble]

lmao im high, i ment to say it HAS to be a hail mary lmaooo.. to save the game

[bitter citrus]

lol me too bro. I heard you loud and clear!

[low kelp]

Damn sdf really is deluded isn’t he

[small vale]

yes, but the game is actually growing. People play it because they enjoy the social/sandbox aspect of it so nobody really cares about what the dev is doing hahaha. Edit: I'm talking about The Isle, not Dark and Darker

[turbid egret]

SDF said he is satisfied with how the game is go to SDFS kitchen look at how dumb he is

[median salmon]

the game is growing? where is this growth occuring that you speak of?

[small vale]

I'm talking about other game (not related to dark and darker): https://steamdb.info/app/376210/charts/

[astral nymph]

least amount of poeple that ever played this game rn

[median salmon]

SumDumFuk, were you epecting brilliance from someone with such a name?

[loud cobalt]

@glad thunder have you been tested for a bit of the tism?

[median salmon]

https://darkerdb.com/server-population has up to date info without logging in, you can see the impressive decline on the charts as well. Currently, 2699 in dungeon, 4456 online.

[loud cobalt]

Is that why you're seeing these visions? Is the tism in the room with us now?

[signal dagger]

Hell, it saddens me how the game turned down... I had a blast in the past with a colleague and now...

[clever mauve]

where can i find the number of players who are playing the game over the time bro ?

[small vale]

Lmao lowest player count recorded, thats fun

[median salmon]

85% playerbase decline in less than 2 months

[barren mortar]

the game is already dead guys. why u say taht "it wil ldie eventually". it is already dead in the grave

[loud cobalt]

@glad thunder can I steal some of your trade secrets and make my own version of the game?

[digital phoenix]

yeah makes me sad bro. doesnt make sense having no interest about what the community and playerbase wants or asks for. if this shit happend in osrs that game would die as well

[small vale]

@glad thunder

[mellow river]

@sdf when will multi-race begin?

[peak stream]

ACERCATETETETE SALTE DEL BOTE ESCAPATE PONTE HEAVY LOS GUANTES DEJA DE TAPARTEE QUE NADIE VA A RETRACTARSEE LEVANTATE PONTE HARPYYY

[void kestrel]

Multi-racism. It's gonna be epic

[grave whale]

“We had a good thing, you stupid son of a bxxx. We had Fring. We had a lab. We had everything we needed and it all ran like clockwork.”

[limber verge]

Man it really is over. Doesn't seem like he will revert the patch. Gg guys, this game was truly something special but thats over.

[bitter citrus]

i mean we got cat girls before black people so they already checked that box

[mellow river]

@sdf we are having a huge multi-race war in the community. Please have this addressed. The lizard men will not fight alongside mummy’s

[grave whale]

Are there any games similar but better ?

[sharp kindle]

Sdf doesnt care

[void kestrel]

Chroma Tower in 9 months

[turbid atlas]

the midnight walkers, theres a playtest for it soon

[median salmon]

Directly from the Ironmace website "We’re fighting to win back the hearts of gamers around the world. We believe that by creating games with soul, and by respecting our users we can usher in a renaissance of awesome video games direct from Korea." SumDumFuk should go with this vision instead, its better.

[limber verge]

Midnight walkers is hot trash though

[limber badge]

#dnd-memes-only message
Seems he likes it lmao

[small vale]

lmao

[true turtle]

which is weird, because they get no money from fever people playing

[bitter citrus]

dad is hot trash. what's your point?

[coarse stream]

funniest thing ab this patch is that we used to riot when there were changes people didnt like. now no one's rioting here so it means game is dead and no one cares anymore

[grave whale]

Korean devs suck tbh

[mellow river]

@sdf black pregnant goblins

[limber verge]

Didn't say it wasnt you stinker. But midnight walker is not better lol

[turbid atlas]

holding the line until someone steals your trade secrets and makes a better game

[sharp kindle]

Ppl gave up and sdf made it clear he s still not finished going after this vision of his.

Hating a game means it still has hope for improvement , but feeling indifference means its over.

[loud cobalt]

@glad thunder is the whole point of your skitzo chat (sdf kitchen) a place where you can yap to yourself like a crazy person with no input from anyone else (because you're afraid to talk in here) we get it dude, you are full blown menty

[grave whale]

It’s over

[willow terrace]

Nah its over

[true turtle]

The dev team is like a squad of Fallout 3 lobotomites. I think some community manager needs to make a weekly spotlight of best insults to sdf and send it to them directly so the will print it on put it all over their offices

[turbid atlas]

its all ogre now, this is SDF's swamp

[bitter citrus]

might get the pregnant gobbos, wouldn't count on the rest though with these guys

[mellow river]

@sdf all is forgiven if black pregnant goblins

[clever mauve]

Pretty agree with u this game is dead now they deleted all good things (solo, duo) no more randomize loot all the same without spirits, no listenning for community

[loud cobalt]

Please rename the discord to this @glad thunder

[tropic rain]

Guys, let me summarize sdf kitchen last messages for you:

I started this game as a game for myself, but more people than I expected liked it, and we started to cater to the community. But giving the community what they wanted required too much development and the game got too far from what I like.

So, I have decided to ignore the community and focus on making a game that I like regardless of what the community thinks.

[true turtle]

I like how we just ping a random person

[gleaming steppe]

lol hes gonna make a game for himself lol

[clever mauve]

That's so accurate rn

[void kestrel]

"While it would be ideal to present an impressive roadmap, we’ve often fallen short in preparation and lacked the ability to anticipate the future, which made us hesitant to make such attempts". . . . In other words, we've tried nothing and are all out of ideas

[limber verge]

How is he a random person. He is 100% responsible for every terrible choice for the game

[vagrant knoll]

lets just re-release the game starting at playtest #3 my goats

[small vale]

This reads like "I hate money"

[true turtle]

nm it is the correct person I just didn't see that he is the one who posts in the update news...

[honest oriole]

hes the lead "developer" and head of the company

[grave whale]

Lead dev who’ doesn’t know how to run a gaming company

[clever mauve]

i want to play DaD but when i start a game i'm so sad to see what's happen to the game i do one run and shut down for few days... There is someone who can advice on a good game in the same vibes ?

[loud cobalt]

LMAO i got a warning haha

[bitter citrus]

At least it is abundantly clear now why P3 and SDF got the axe from Nexon. Good on them. Arc Raiders was the smart choice.

[limber verge]

I liked the game before the semi wipe. Some of the uniques were a little too strong but they could have been reigned in a little bit and looting would still have been fun.

[fluid lily]

Didn't they say that arena will be permanently open? wtf are they doing man

[void kestrel]

Imagine supporting your family and relying on money from this studio and sdf is your CEO and boss driving this once successful game and company into the dirt because the successful iteration wasn't "personally enjoyable" for him.

[turbid atlas]

they say a lot more than they do here

[median salmon]

today could be the day we drop below 1k in dungeon, its on its way down now

[wind gazelle]

midnight walkers playtest soon

[bitter citrus]

Ope they are back to plugging their ears and yelling "shaddap, shaddap, shaddap!" to the community. Not even any spam today. Just a loud and clear "shut your mouths" to the community. @rocky granite chat timer is back on which is supposedly to help them deal with spam but there is no spam today.

[loud cobalt]

Are you feeling the vision fellas?

[rocky granite]

Not even that, they are completely silent.

[mellow river]

@sdf black pregnant goblins

[south vigil]

game feels so dead gg sdf

[void kestrel]

the most important thing for this game is that sdf is having fun.

[grave whale]

Not anyone else just him

[clever mauve]

i want to play the game but i dont want start it and give them free stats of ppl playing it that so painfull

[old cave]

Hold the lines dont play the game actually

[wintry mist]

The best thing we can do for the game is not play it. Seriously

[loud cobalt]

Gotta cater to our very special boy

[wintry saddle]

Rip zero to hero

[sterile wraith]

like, its cooked. The game is totally cooked. It is the worst it has ever been and the lead developer says he is happy with the current state. Its just gg

[river helm]

game is dead isnt it

[bitter citrus]

all zeros are heros now! @thorn arch it NEEDS life support. game is bleeding out on the floor currently

[void kestrel]

sdf: "There are many great studios out there that are exceptionally good at that kind of development—but at the very least, I’m not that kind of person. That’s why, at a fundamental level, I make games for players who are similar to myself. I believe I’ve mentioned this before" . . . . .. What kind of game is bro making?

[thorn arch]

The game isnt dead, but it's on life support

[median salmon]

2359 in dungeon atm.... I think Diablo 2 Remastered has more users on it right now

[iron estuary]

[clever mauve]

I know sister i wont i have to suffer in silence and let them drown into the shit they did to our game

[true turtle]

Then why is he being such a brich? he ignores ALL the community, he doesn't cater to the p2w, f2p, casual, tryhards, pro's. He just shits on it all. but why? The game is LEGIT DYING. and he does nothing. His Brain worms are actually insane... Also the slow mode on the chat is like another way to tell that the managment see all the hate but just TRY to ignore it best they can.

[slim furnace]

5 MINUTES STOP DICTATURE

[rocky granite]

This game has been ratioed into oblivion on steam as well as youtube reviews, how much longer can they ignore the community???

[chilly socket]

guys guys, they had fire ice arrow ideas, they totally didn't make that up from watching steel & sorceries working quiver lol.
and yeah because archer is strong, you have to wear arrows in inventory, cause in a quiver makes you way stronger. ..... make it make sense....

[loud cobalt]

Damn i thought I was just getting cooked with a timer after my warning lmao

[mellow river]

@sdf black pregnant goblins is all WE are asking for.

[rocky ravine]

I don't think this is too much to ask for

[safe forge]

We will be deploying Season #7 starting at 1 July 2025 2:00 PM.
When the patch starts, you will not be able to log in to the game and players in-game will not be able to enter the matchmaking pool during this time.
Players in a match or in-game will have 40 minutes to complete their match and exit safely.
The server will return to full service 3 hours after the patch starts.

• Random Modifiers Re-added with +1 Slot
• 2 Queues only - Adventure Mode - High Roller
• Handicap added to Duo or Trio by 10% and 20% Respectively Less Damage Dealt / More Damage Received
• Removed All Attributes / Move Speed / True Damage Random Modifiers
• Random Modifiers now have a low/high roll chance of +1 or +2
• Doubled the HP Pool and increased Time To Kill for skill expression
• Removed Marketplace - Self Found

This week we wanted to make some major changes to how our game interfaces with your brain and its rewards systems,
We have Re added random modifiers with a +1 slot system to bring back build diversity, loot value and rarity, these attributes will have a random chance of a low or high roll.
We have also added a handicap to Team sizes greater than solo which has a dual effect of Less Damage Dealt and More Damage Received to balance the vast survival difference between team size.
In line with this we have doubled the current HP pools over all classes to ensure increased skill expression with higher Time To Kill (TTK) and extended adrenalin release per engagement.
We feel some Random Modifiers create too much imbalance so we have removed All Attributes, Move Speed and True Damage.
Finally we wanted to bring back our original vision of this great game with the removal of the Marketplace and trading, This will bring several great benefits including Reducing Gear Difference between, defeating RealWorldTraders and reduce cheaters, Increased Looting and Clearing, Higher Personal value to loot and increased Risk of loss.

The patch process is now complete. See you in the dungeons!

[fading palm]

I'm not reading all that

[bitter citrus]

It's his mock patch notes as if SDF gives a single flying fart about what the community wants the game to be.

[median salmon]

SumDumFuk visited his favorite webiste, www.ratemypoo.com and thats where he saw his vision!

[wraith wigeon]

W patch

[sturdy fable]

2k player only this guys is finish

[mellow ice]

Entire game loop

[old cave]

W patch

[tight acorn]

Always impressive how sdf can type entire paragraphs without saying anything of value

[gray kestrel]

Do you guys know which class are the best for pve ?

[clear jasper]

They should add back all rolls besides attribute rolls

[mellow river]

@sdf black pregnant goblins

[wanton otter]

ARMS shouldn't be 100% dmg. Literally what game with location based damage does that? I'll wait. Name one.

[sturdy agate]

SDF will not be happy until he’s the only person playing his game

[marble chasm]

@clear jasper IF they add rolls back, then gear gap will cause issues of sweats vs. timmmies again

[spiral totem]

if we load in and kill our teammates for fun is there anything that can happen? Mods?

[median salmon]

there was a game almost 30 years ago called Die by the Sword, it was Dos based, it had 100% damage