game-discussion

[hybrid vapor]

right, but 150 hours on barb just got stale

[hardy hornet]

What is the new armor system going to be? Is there not going to be random rolls on stuff now?

[terse tundra]

Is the game still trio’s only

[desert orchid]

everything will be squire with maybe a +1 vigor tops

[hardy hornet]

Like dead ass?

[mint thicket]

Can some one help me? i cant find the 'Drain' Location

[hardy hornet]

So essentially classes that dominate squire ie barb and bard are going to be op

[desert orchid]

Inferno square module with 3 tunnels in in with 50000 zombies and void hole + living statues

[mint thicket]

Thanks bro!

[terse tundra]

Is the game still trios only

[desert orchid]

wait 2 months and come back to see if game 200% dead or reverted and cool water map ontop (maybe)

[lofty hemlock]

arequests resetting?

[hardy hornet]

No this is just a gear/gold wipe

[terse tundra]

I went on a small vacation came back. No solos or duos. Game pop 70% gone lmao

[desert orchid]

game is still playable for around a week? Until semi wipe hits and destroys all endgame (farming gear/gold)

guess u can still farm gold to buy high end consumables 😂 gotta drink that troll juice

[lofty hemlock]

so is the move turning in quest items and then saving the quest so u can complete it after semi wipe and get gear/xp?

[hardy hornet]

If they don't reset the quest. Meaning you may have to collect those items again because you didn't collect the rewards.

[lofty hemlock]

ig we'll see

[hardy hornet]

So let me get this right. Builds are now dead? Essentially every class you meet will be the same? Like every barb will be like every other barb? I'm still confused about the new armor/weapon system

[open pagoda]

The toxic community is killing this whole game

[oak topaz]

Yeah bro community coding the game by toxicity

[dusky silo]

why is it that you can't queue as the same class as your friends, but when I solo queue for arena, I'm always with 2sorcs that can't do 25 dmg per round?

[hardy hornet]

Cause then the queue when solo filling would take forever

[dusky silo]

nah man, just give me one of the 2 rogues on the other team, and give them one of my sorcs

[grizzled meteor]

Real question is why did I get put on SEA servers with 500 ping twice when I'm eu

[hardy hornet]

Okay that is because of piss poor matchmaking. I'm more of talking if the other team has a normal comp but you end up with 2 bards or something.

[knotty canopy]

hold the line = hold deez nuts on our collective chins

[odd salmon]

RIP Dark and Darker

[winter marlin]

rip dungeonbroom thanks to gabe newell

[dim wind]

I dont play this game anymore but thought I'd add something I just thought of - the better gear you have, the slower you move. Noobs are the fastest and can survive easier, veterens are the most powerful and so move the slowest. Better gear weighs more. Could save the game.

[stuck lion]

Not really..

If you build terribly sure.
But you can add MS or bonus MS onto items.
Also some items give agility

[dim wind]

My problem was always people who knew the game could just run at me and kill me with no counterplay, they had more health, moved faster and had more gold to heal with. The healing mechanic is also so slow and clunky and it feels so bad to spend 150gold per run on meds when a full inventory of treasure would get you like 400gold from the vendor.

If you want the game to be popular you have to make it a fun time with no 'feel bad' mechanics. Make meds cheaper, increase the drop rate of meds in dungeons. Why dont chests include potions? Devs, while you are at it, increase the gold you get from selling treasures, why are you so stingey on giving players gold?

My idea about the better gear weighing more is fucking amazing and would add alot of balance to an otherwise unbalanced noob stomper game.

You would have to choose between moving faster or dealing more dmg, rogues may decide to wear greens to have max move speed where as a fighter/barbarian may decide to wear full uniques to be really slow, but an immortal tank. That combined with a refreshed healing mechanic, out of combat 10seconds and passively regen health maybe? The game would be alot for diverse and fun for the vast majority of people. That's my opinions on your dying game anyway, would return if those changes were implemented. Best of luck devs!

[feral herald]

How i can loot

[hybrid vapor]

F button

[feral herald]

and why the things I loot don't count towards the final result of the dungeon

[open pagoda]

Yall dummy’s crying bout the game leaving bad reviews ect to spread your opinion thats Sum real Mental ill shit funny thing most ppl in this shi community are ppl over the 30 years old

[hybrid vapor]

it doesnt count if you die

[feral herald]

ok

[hybrid vapor]

try pve mode to get used to your class and the mobs attack patterns. you'll get the hang of it

[feral herald]

ok thanks

[hybrid vapor]

yw

[oak topaz]

yes ppl share thier feeling about the game so it can improve not just butt lick. and why is begin above 30 yo is a bad thing? lmao u just mad brotha

[stable bluff]

are the developers genuinely just outta touch

[feral herald]

What is the easiest dungeon?

[wicked stump]

i think it's gone from out of touch to straight up hateful

[hybrid vapor]

i would like you to refer to sdf's kitchen and just skim through from the beginning. thats more of an opinion thing ig

[devout parcel]

Pretty sure certain “influencers” are also responsible for this

[wicked stump]

day 1 - "we now understand that high roller is only for a small portion of the player base that wants that super hardcore experience"
day 2 - "we are forcing the entire player base into high roller"

[devout parcel]

It isn't only sdf

[wicked stump]

day 1 - "we have observed that most of the player base enjoys solos the most, probably because all their freinds already quit this pos"
day 2 - "we are removing solos"

[devout parcel]

They don't understand that even the players with people to play with. They don't play with their friends 24/7 on this game. Some quests are easier to do by yourself in solos.

[subtle shard]

does anyone know where i can get class roles? i havnt done it in like a year+

[feral herald]

Hey, how can I bring dungeon items into the lobby?

[open pagoda]

Sharing feelings is something diff then review bombing thats why we dont need old heads on the game

[bitter citrus]

if 70% of people left a bad review then it isn't a review bomb. It'sjust a shit game.

[hybrid vapor]

Old heads play this game and havent left a review, yet. ~ yours truly, some old head

[feral herald]

If a teammate completes the dungeon while dead, does it count?

[hybrid vapor]

it counts for them if they extract. but i am unsure how one dies and also completes the dungeon

[slow salmon]

Why is agility the worst stat?

[cosmic swan]

It's not, it give MS

[slow salmon]

It gives less MS than just stacking MS. It's worthless now

It's not even 1 to 1 ms, it's literally just a filler stat with mid usefullness

[hybrid vapor]

i mean thats how they all work right? if i want to do more physical damage i stack physical damage, not str

[worldly wedge]

Depends on what you playing, a rogue usualy is fast, and uses Light Weight gear, so usualy invest on other stuff

[slow salmon]

Str also gives HP tho, so its more useful than agility 10 times out of 10 (curve not withstanding)

[slow salmon]

Rogue having more agility is pointless because you benefit more by grabbing a couple pieces with MS. Agility really is the weakest link.

[boreal island]

probably ruins/crypts

[slow salmon]

I should say in my opinion yall. Haha. In my opinion, SDF doesn't know how to fight rogues and he doesn't like agility.

[feral herald]

I already completed my first dungeon

It only took me 2 hour

[worldly wedge]

IF you have money to buy all gear with 3 add mov then Yes, IF you cant then no, agility Will have a purpose

[mild rapids]

does anyone have stuff they don't use to give? im kinda broke

[hybrid vapor]

run naked through ruins and scavenge open boxes, fastest 800g i've ever made

[mild rapids]

i been farming wendigo for sorcer i easily get a heart and then i get jumped by rogues

im kinda sick of wasting hours getting jumped, thats why i am asking

[winter marlin]

tldr: players better than me could kill me me because they played better

[stoic brook]

Question, if an character has 100% crit rate is it then better to upgrade the crit dmg first or upgrade the base dmg first? Asking which one comes first.

[wicked terrace]

for warframe?

[stoic brook]

Eh not in particular

[wicked terrace]

bro....

this is game discussion for dark and darker brother we cant really help if we dont got a game to work off but base damage and high crit chance are wut i go for

since crit damage is useually useless past a certain point in warframe anyways since theres higher crits then 100% since u can get orange and red ones

[stoic brook]

100% crit r, 190 crit dmg, and 260 base dmg,

Either you double base dmg or increase crit dmg to 215, with enemy health being 2k-max4.5k

[modern nacelle]

BEst would be whatever gives you the highest percentage in improvement.

[wicked terrace]

double base damage

[stoic brook]

Sorry, couldn’t find anywhere to ask so I asked random channels with game discussion

[robust iris]

is gaming working for ppl? just connecting on my screen

[wicked terrace]

heard people having issues uhh check down dector

nvrm down detector dont got dark too unknown

[modern nacelle]

If 190 means 190% your dmg right now would be 494.
With double base 988.
With 215 crit 559 dmg.

[stoic brook]

Okay thanks

[stoic brook]

Ty2

[rocky elbow]

crit will always scale off base, so bas first in pertty much all circumstances.

[neat breach]

Why does an EGS player have a deadline on using their purchased items when transferring to Blacksmith? That to me seems very odd and potentially just a douche move to get people to buy more once they realize they no longer have the Redstone shards they thought they had indefinitely.

[vocal vine]

Why wouldnt they get review bombed? the games fucking terrible. more run and runner with true damage.

[wicked terrace]

i mean kinda dumb move from epic ngl cause if the game does get revived from season seven with the new map or a decent semi wipe they lost a good thing on their store

[cosmic swan]

They do get review bombed. only 27% positive recent review on Steam. The all time is 67% but so much people posted review and then leave the game that it's hard to have an impact on that

[empty garden]

if you have extra gear can you pls donate to me prefer rouge but will accept anything dm pls and thank you

[mental flume]

DOUBLE CLASSES IN ARENA IS CANCER

[vocal vine]

AND IF THE GAME IS BAD WHY WOULDNT PEOPLE SAY ITS BAD?

really weird why is there almost 10k people on rigth now

[bitter citrus]

this is peak time

[cosmic swan]

They do?

[vocal vine]

yes if they review bomb it then people think it sucks. i personally think the game blows and a water map is going to make it suck even more

[static frost]

Player count is always higher early morning

[fathom spire]

This whole EGS announcement is abit late isnt it? I had no choice but migrate my account to steam about 3 weeks ago….

[cosmic swan]

Me too, but make a criticism on the game doesn't mean you have to leave it. If we are that critic with the game it's because we love it too, we love the core of the game and don't like the way it take, but that still means there's thing in the game we like and that we may want to play it still

[cosmic swan]

But anyway people do leave the game, we're getting closer and closer to the all time low of the game right before the steam release

[reef kettle]

wtf is ironmace doing with the epic game store rn???

[vocal vine]

ya sdf shouldnt be rewarded for sucking ass. if he wants to continue down this path of not sharing the vision besides some half baked ideas in the kitchen channel and promoting movespeed true dmg then my negative review will continue on. and hopefully others negative reviews will follow until the game dies or sdf pulls his head out of his ass.

[fathom spire]

The game IS at an all time low, not just papermace fault tho, its also all you players who claim to want something added to the game then one its added complain about it not being good or being added in the first place. Not just SDF needs to make up his mind but so does all the lil Re Re’s in the chat because my god you lot talk alot of shit

Nexon has the weakest case….

[vocal vine]

The actual dungeon stopped being fun months ago. i cant even bring myself to get to pathfinder because of how unfun this fucking game is especially as a barb main.

[fathom spire]

No way ur a barb main complaining about the game

[vocal vine]

yes the game sucks for barbs. max ms casters with book and rangers with bow out make this shit unplayable. rogues being better tanks and clerics stat checking me make this game ass.

[wet kindle]

what are you talking about the deadline is to transfer everything over to blacksmith because egs is removing it

[vocal vine]

felling axe gameplay is supposed to be rewarding but felling hits like a wet noodle and if you miss your at zero chance of winning.

[fathom spire]

Because quite frankly you can’t terminate a contract like that, also CEO of Nexon already went prison for doing same shit they are complaining about ironmace doing, kettle calling teapot black.

[fathom spire]

You literally have best weapons in the game bro i dont wanna hear it anymore, warmaul and club with round shield and you guys are practically unbeatable in HR quit complaining

The moment i mention the dev my messages get blocked haha 😂

[fallen shuttle]

Lmfao the people i thought were rage baiting about the game doing a quick money grab and dippin. But now it's all looking like that might actually happen.

[fathom spire]

Explain?

[worldly wedge]

Write it down

[fathom spire]

I think you missed the point, THERE IS NO PROOF OF THE CLAIMS

[elder heart]

Easy way to make money ngl

[fathom spire]

Who gaf what egs do? They are cash grabbers even worse than ironmace.

Plus like i said beforehand, EGS removed them weeks ago. Just because you are only just hearing it doesn’t mean now all of a sudden the game will be removed off of every damn station it can be played on.

Fuck me ur restarted

[frosty hornet]

So im not sure if im allowed to ask this here but does anyone have any insight on the false bans going on i have 2 good buds thays have over 3k hours that got perma banned after a 3 day suspious activity ban and I know for a fact they don't cheat

[wicked terrace]

probally backlash from the lawsuit and they are worried abt collatoral incase the lawsuit goes further

[wicked terrace]

make a ticket ngl

[fathom spire]

Add me back then lets talk.

[frosty hornet]

They getting the generic o well buy a new account like everyone else it seems its wild

[fathom spire]

Abit hypocritical to tell me not to come at you and instead go for an argument yet you do the exact same straight after, bum.

[crude ginkgo]

\ If you can’t have a proper discussion without personally attacking other people perhaps u should try a diary instead \

[fathom spire]

Ur girl fat tho 😂

[quartz osprey]

geez not the personal insults😂😭

[fathom spire]

We can do this all day but i dont have that time because very clearly unlike you some people have work

[raven valve]

what happen to the tavern ?

[flat granite]

Oh no, the gamers are acting tough again 😟

[fathom spire]

Im sorry i hurt you bro its ok to cry sometimes you know

[quartz osprey]

ok now kiss and let it go

[ocean gale]

Typically Joker pfp being a "Chad"

[fathom spire]

Yes lets do this one 💯

[quartz osprey]

😚

[ocean gale]

Being very, very sarcastistic in my message

[fathom spire]

😘

[quartz osprey]

let us leave our frustration to SDF fellas

[fathom spire]

He aint wrong im ngl i was more pissed with egs than wtf you was talking about

[ocean gale]

name one that aint

[quartz osprey]

he’s taking a game with insane potential and just flushing it down the toilet

[fathom spire]

Strife imagine your girl saw how mad you got at a couple messages tho fr

I agree for sure, the game is definitely dying sadly but it is what it is you know

😂😂😂 fair enough

[median anvil]

I originally bought the game on Epic, was told by IM when I bought the game that "while the game is currently not refundable on Epic it will be." Now, you can't play it on Epic because they removed it, but they will not refund it because it is against their policy to refund ingame currency, and IM makes you by the game with in game currency. It's good old fashion fraud.

[fathom spire]

Ay strife i dont wanna beef you bro i lowkey feel like an ass now, but fr i do got work enjoy the dungeons for however long left its here 😂

[quartz osprey]

well done fellas. 🤝

[raven valve]

what in the glaze is going on here

[cobalt tree]

what is a good alternative to dark and darker

[prime musk]

When will Wiz get some fucking love? Quality of life that shit already

[ocean gale]

Nothing in THAT similar of a vein tbh sadly, you got like Tarkov and the "shooter" looters, but nothing in this Fantasy genre has survived AS long as this game

[jolly olive]

You won't find an alternative, at least one that scratches the itch. All of the alternatives are much worse than this game or just not similar enough to do anything for you. This is it for now.

[rocky elbow]

How are the "game isn't dead" peope doin'?

[shadow crypt]

the game is not even close to being dead

[hot zealot]

Can anyone help with the "ureal crash" when trying to open the game through blacksmith?

[ocean gale]

Considering they lost a $6 million dollar lawsuit, and player counts are dropping, it's looking a little closer to dead than alive tbh. I respect where you are coming from, but let's be real here

[shadow crypt]

its 5 days till wipe bro

[ocean gale]

"semi-wipe" bro

[rocky elbow]

😂

[shadow crypt]

doesnt matter, ive said it already multiple times it better to use us as genuia pigs than send another oncooked potato

[ocean gale]

They aren't going to be using me as a tester, cause I'm just not going to play it lmao. There's no incentive to play the semi wipe other than "love of the game" or more blue shards tbh

[shadow crypt]

and yet u are here yapping

[prime musk]

Since when did this game become Barb and Barber?

[worldly wedge]

Its not 23day, its 26 day semi wipe

[ocean gale]

Bruddah shut da hail up lmao

[rocky elbow]

to be fair, the "game isn't dead" crowd was so disengenuous and cringe that it's likely people just hanga round here to troll them into oblivion.

[ocean gale]

He is a part of said crowd wdym

[shadow crypt]

well that onyl tells how jobless and miserable you are xD

[rocky elbow]

ya, that's why I'm telling him

[ocean gale]

I'm giving genuine responses then get hit with "and here you are yapping", it's almost like they aren't fun to talk to and are just cringe lords

[shadow crypt]

but you are yapping on the dead game discord bro, srsly you got nothing better to do?

[rocky elbow]

well, there are also people who don't work in fast food and can have discord up on a secondary monitor.

[ocean gale]

Look in the mirror for once bruddah, you are doing the SAME shit LMAO

[worldly wedge]

You yapping lwk, But can you even hate me?

[shadow crypt]

ok gl, get some life restarts

[ocean gale]

🤓

[rocky elbow]

ily --have fun PvPing NPC skeles

[fallen heron]

The player base is so divided in the game. Its actually crazy. All the way up to the devs. I feel like multiple gaming modes would solve this

[sterile iron]

Anyone know how to increase the healing From bloodsap blade

[distant wyvern]

HOLD THE LINE.... TIL WE LOSE THE LAWSUIT. ironmace played us. Inventory dev leaving was the first sign. Watch them not announce anymore devs leaving and try and keep it a secret

[obsidian bay]

anyone wanna play duo HR

[ocean gale]

How about we remove all of the game modes except for Trios? Will that fix the game?

[main bison]

I think so

[dense pawn]

Inventory dev was probably bad if I were to guess. Inventory system is a mess. Want to turn multiple iron ores into ingots and then into lockpicks? Have fun spamming clicks for 2 minutes. When you can just implement the same system used for buying multiple stacks of potions (took him long enough to add that, too)

[turbid pendant]

hate how half my games say i had no teammates when SOLOS ISN'T EVEN AN OPTION IN COMMONS XD

[distant wyvern]

Companies bleeding at this point. How does a small dev company lose a 6 mil lawsuit, pay server costs, pay severance to devs, while not gaining new players?

Delist from another platform.. we saw what happened with the initial steam pullback. Torrent was the strongest player base.

[limpid flume]

dang so they going out of business? what was the issue with the lawsuit? using premade textures and not crediting?

[ocean gale]

Im sure they made a lot of money off of torret... lol

[distant wyvern]

My point exactly

[crystal scarab]

lol No, they aren’t going out of business.

[limpid flume]

does it look like a promising future tho?

[shadow sorrel]

Hello, me and my friend wanted to return to the game but we can see, that there are no longer solo and duo lobby, will it be fixed ?

[worldly wedge]

50/ 50

[shadow sorrel]

i can see that there are many negative reviews on steam that also mention this

[gusty birch]

What the hell happen with optimization in this game? When i start playin i have like 40% CPU usage in fullscreen w, and now its like 80-90% and crazy drops in ruin

[hot walrus]

they stole code and trade secrets from Nexon, i think sdf was working there before he left to make this game “the way he wanted it” lmao

[dense pawn]

The issue was basically that they developed skills while working at Nexon, remembered them and Korean "trade secret" laws always favor big corps. Not going out of business. Quite the contrary, I'd say. They are taking big risk to alienate a big part of their player base (solos, duos and the sweaty grinders), so I guess that means they can afford it and have room for error.

[dense pawn]

Don't spread misinformation, it's understandable to hate on IM and sdf but this is a stupid way to show it

[dense pawn]

I had some crazy issues like that. My issue was that I still have launch option "-dx11" (basically game ran on older version of direct x). You can write a support ticket on the official website, they handled mine in a couple of days

[shadow sorrel]

you guys think i can become part of the company as a creative guy with ideas

[lunar breach]

is there a 'battle bus' in this battle royal yet? The extra walking just kills the game for me.

[idle whale]

Funny how day 1 i said the epic games idea was bad yet now they’re just realizing it 💀🤣🤣

[whole kraken]

they’re looking for an inventory guy i think

[gusty birch]

Once i tried this , then i found its somehow change my settings so even if its all "low" i have like... ultra torch in hands and go on.. Im desperate in terms of asking support about im myself not sure 😅

[severe bone]

This isn't misinformation its why they lost. Very ez to google

[idle whale]

Dungeon borne was dead in the water. To say they stole anything from that piece of trash is like picking from the garbage

[dense pawn]

Then google it, read up on the court case, see dev interviews and come back when you actually know about it 🤔

[severe bone]

The court ruled on Feb. 13 that while Dark and Darker did not infringe on Nexon’s copyright for an unreleased project, Ironmace did use internal planning documents and source code without authorization.

[drowsy whale]

is the game got buggier ? i recently started getting lags and stuters and lower fps

[quiet lance]

How we doing peeps?

[quiet lance]

I haven’t noticed that personally

Actually had very few issues since I started in pt2

[quartz osprey]

well it’s been awful. it’s fortunate that you haven’t experienced it, IsaWizard, but almost everyone else is experiencing it.

[limpid flume]

so basically a noncompete agreement.

this makes so much sense now

It’s like in the tv shows and movies when a smart person gets let go or fired or his project is stolen by the company under the guise that any and all projects, materials, results etc is owned by said company

[dense pawn]

Yep, something like that. Dark and darker, while having similarities to the Nexon project, is an original idea that was built from scratch (very fast and poorly, btw, which is why they have a lot of issues).

[limpid flume]

I haven’t read the court file, but anyone can tell this is all shady.

not defending anyone, but to me this looks like Nexon just suing to sue and squish competition.

although I do agree, if codes and assets were developed within Nexon even while a small side project then yeah I can see why they lost their suit.

it would be a different story if this project was started completely new and ground up away from Nexon.

again hence the non compete clause I’m assuming is in play here

like if I learned how to make ice cream at my local chain cafe and opened up my own ice cream cafe after 6 months

[dense pawn]

You are wrong. Try again. Here is an extract of a summary I got from chatgpt:

" While the code and art assets weren’t duplicated directly, Ironmace was found to have used Project P3’s internal, confidential information—such as its genre design, dungeon architecture, game mechanics, and planned systems—to significantly accelerate development and gain a competitive edge"

To address your points:
Internal planning documents - makes no sense to reuse the documents since the devs already worked with said game mechanics and "created them" (as in they put together already established game mechanics from dozens of others games to create a new game)
Source code - IM was even raided by the police, their source code was analyzed and there was no evidence of copying code.

Basically, the fine revolved around the IP of game design concepts in the context of "trade secret" laws. IMO it's BS. I'm pretty sure SDF was the one to come up with the idea of combining extraction shooter mechanics with old school RPGs, but can you say Nexon has full rights to that genre? They were completely scratching that idea, btw. Sdf and Terence probably left when they realized the Nexon managers are too daft to realize the potential of this idea.

It feels to me like Nexon is doing this to make a point. They don't want to create a precedent where employees quit and go do their own thing and become major competitors to them.

[ocean gale]

Asking ChatGPT to prove your point about stolen shid is funny

[dense pawn]

Well did you read the court files translated from Korean? 🤔

[random sail]

YOU CAN HOLD MY ROPE

WE WILL HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD

SAY IT WITH ME.....

NO QUIVERS
🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO PROGRESSION SYSTEM
🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

L UPDATES

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

BRING BACK SOLOS AND DUOS

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO NEW CONTENT

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO DIRECTION

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

BLIND MAN WITH NO VISION

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

SAY IT WITH ME.....

[ocean gale]

Id rather do that then ask something built on stolen data if stealing data is ok lmao

[dense pawn]

Ok dude, you really made your point 😂 you win the internet today

[severe flicker]

Holy cringe ^

[ocean gale]

I don't think you made your point at all tbh. IDK why you getting all sassy at me for, but you came in here with a ChatGPT response acting like it was the law LMAO

[dense pawn]

I mean you started by saying that me using chatgpt is funny, and I'm saying you are funny to me. Fair?

[rain ravine]

All AI users are just child fondlers tbh

[severe bone]

Nexon managers were to daft...... we have had the same 3 patches back and forth for 2 years with 0 content added besides bought store assets because SDF has no vision. But yeah I'm sure he hasn't stolen a thing XD

[ocean gale]

Im gonna ask ChatGPT if what you said is fax

[deft geyser]

Nope you’re wrong. Try again little buddy

[severe bone]

Have its facts me the answers

[dense pawn]

Did you even play in the playtest? Try compare videos of the game back then with the game now. You might have forgotten how much it changed. It's understandable, honestly, if you play the game a lot. There is too little content if you play 2k+ hours

[rain ravine]

If you have to use AI for anything, then you've failed so thoroughly that the only hope for you is from the barrel of a gun

[severe bone]

Tell me what has changed in the last 2 years? Shit we have 4 mummy skins just recolored

[ocean gale]

Ted no like AI. Also man this game honestly hasn't changed much, i remember having a circle, then not, then having it again. I remember the Bardiche being an axe, then not, then an axe again. I remember the 20th Undead skin released for the leaderboard. MAN this game has CHANGED

I remember the Ruins, then no Ruins, then the RUins again

[rain ravine]

It changed a ton honestly and almost universally the changes made the game worse than it was during the playtests, but what do you expect when the devs openly condone cheating and black market item sales because the streamers do it

[raven valve]

game has nothing but hackers and cheaters

[severe bone]

Tbh this game went to shit when they added the "continuous" dungeon

[dense pawn]

3 new classes (which is the best kind of content IMO), 2 new maps, random gen dungeons, continuous dungeons, lots of weapons & armor, adjustments to skills, perks, spells, new spells, expressman, squire, gem sockets, quests etc.

[dense pawn]

Oh and arena, forgot about that one

[ocean gale]

Is Gem socketing going to go away since they are removing Random rolls? Is that ANOTHER thing they are removing?

[dense pawn]

I'm ready to hear you trash all of the above because you obviously hate the game right now 😅

[rain ravine]

Warlock is bad
Druid is bad
The entire movespeed system is fucked
Gearing is hilariously bad
Solos/Duos were objectively a mistake to start with
Seven different instaces of testing +All Atts every one with the same result
Nightmare mob balancing is still awful
Insurance/expressman was an awful idea
Immediately-open red portals were a bad idea
Static exits are a bad idea
TWO WHOLE YEARS AND NO SKILL TREE

[severe bone]

3 new unfinished classes. Warlock doesn't even have all its spells..... and 3 maps in 2 years.....

[deft geyser]

Most of the stuff you said made the game worst

[cosmic swan]

No because they're not totally removing random attribut. Every piece of every rarity will have 1 attribute

[severe bone]

I got 5 maps in my dlc back in the day every 6 months I add you

[ocean gale]

So it's going to be a meme getting Bis since you just do 1 socket lmao

[rain ravine]

The only good things that have happened since the game left the playtests are Sockets, Squire, Bard(Heavily debatable but it's at least decent quality), and more items/mobs. Every other chance, INCLUDING EXTRA MAPS, has been bad

[ocean gale]

Not sure where the main hook of the gameplay loop is gonna lie next season. Are they just hoping that the PVP is gonna keep people?

[severe bone]

"EA" really just be giving devs free passes to do nothing. It's Like ARK survival evolved all over again

[dense pawn]

I appreciated all of them but fair enough, you liked the game to be simpler

[cosmic swan]

Except he also reduced the max value of every roll, but you can get any roll on any piece now (He removed true damage and +all)

[rocky elbow]

who cares 😂 they killed the game

[severe bone]

Except you can now so what's the point?

[cosmic swan]

No you can't, magical healing can't be on pants for exemple.

[distant basalt]

Has anyone been accused of cheating when they were just walking around? I get kicked multiple times for what I assumed what bad internet connection and now I'm perm banned for cheating.

[severe bone]

But you can still roll max roll on all pieces via socket

[dense pawn]

I've been following their interviews and it seems to me they are trying to move the game away from being oriented towards heavy grind (a.k.a. grind 4h a day or use your credit card to get BIS and dominate 90% of players). I'm really curious how it will go, but I'm sure a lot of grinders will leave DaD because of this.

[alpine wing]

does anyone know the difference between pve warlord and high roller warlord sword movesets? or is it the same

[dense pawn]

No difference in moveset

[alpine wing]

ok thanx

[lofty hemlock]

same swing pattern. only addition is the crystals and the explosion before summon

[alpine wing]

ok

[severe bone]

Only difference is ground explodes under you off a parry so stay walking

[lofty hemlock]

did they announce if the test server item changes will be live post-mini-wipe

[cosmic swan]

Yes, it's the plan

[severe bone]

Apparently what's on the test server isn't what we are getting

[autumn rapids]

The test server showed the Dev team that it was unfun, so they are allegedly making changes

[severe bone]

By unfun I assume SDF couldn't kill everyone as a druid so the readjusting

[cosmic swan]

What change? They still plan to remove solo and duo from HR too, remove random attribute and reduce HP and nerf PDR scale

[solid spoke]

Oh SDF how you’ve let us all down… The only thing that can kill Dark and Darker is you and you’ve proven it.

[cosmic swan]

He need to quit

[solid spoke]

YOU CAN HOLD MY ROPE

WE WILL HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD

SAY IT WITH ME.....

NO QUIVERS
🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO PROGRESSION SYSTEM
🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

L UPDATES

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

BRING BACK SOLOS AND DUOS

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO NEW CONTENT

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO DIRECTION

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

BLIND MAN WITH NO VISION

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

SAY IT WITH ME.....

[autumn rapids]

SDF said in his kitchen that removing the modifiers didn;t fix things, so it's NOT his final design decision. To quote his latest stance on Random modifiers:

While the multi-line random modifier system is certainly fun and adds variety, we have decided to shift that kind of diversity toward perks and skills instead. Going forward, we plan to test a more restrained version of the system in order to better control gear balance.

My read on that is that there WILL be a Random Modifier system, BUT a 'more restrained' Random Modifier system

WTH that means is open to interpretation, but it doesn't sound like he wants "No System"

[limpid flume]

It’s using AI as intended. Tf you mean?

[cosmic swan]

My read is that he's talking about the system on the test server right now (1 attribut, with lower maximum than what we have now) and he plan to restrain it even more. And that to me sound like he want no system but he kinda know that without any modifier gear suck but he keep pushing it anyway.

And anyway he should have started by making perks and skill better instead of removing everything first

[trail ibex]

What is so wrong about the expressman? I see it as a positive

[rain ravine]

If you want your shit, then leave the dungeon with it, it is that simple

[uncut stump]

this game is about to become the best game again.

[dense bay]

you do have to leave the dungeon with ur shit tho lmfao

[rain ravine]

Great so we don't need the expressman

[dense bay]

I'd like to put my quest items away thanks tho

[cosmic swan]

The expressman is just convenient, yes you could leave but it's just time consuming. But I do think it's too much in the actual state and could be made more interesting by making him a NPC that roam in the dungeon and that you need to find to secure the stuff you give him

[rain ravine]

Damn you should go and extract then

[ocean gale]

tf u mean, why are you even responding to me

[rain ravine]

Yeah that's messed up, getting things requires making decisions

[dense bay]

who says I dont? maybe I need to go deeper down to get mob kills but put away my quest items, it's hard to comprehend I know

[rocky elbow]

I was wondering if people were still hard coping and arguing that the changes that destroyed the player base were still good changes...Happy to see that nothing has changed 😂

[rain ravine]

Damn then you can either take them down and risk them in deeper levels and potentially have to make decisions about what to keep, or extract and keep what you have and then do more runs

[cosmic swan]

I could agree with that but some people can't put as much time in the game than you and the expressman is just convenient. It's doesn't impact the game negatively so why removing him

[rain ravine]

If you can't put in the 10 minutes a run takes then really this is not the game for you

[graceful storm]

who got access to the chrono odessy playtest

[cosmic swan]

You'r rage baiting xD If you need to leave every time you could have given your thing yo the expressman, on the scale of a whole season we're talking of ten's of hours "wasted" just exiting to re enter

[dense bay]

why do u care so much about people saving quest items, just kill the people before they go down like what LOL

[severe bone]

what if i like killing more than 1 player and stealing their shit... should this just not be the game for me then?

[rocky elbow]

THis is actually an easy one to answer--The game originally launched as as hard core dungeon crawler and exploded in popularity because of that. The bumper rails that they've been putting on over time have started to destroy the player base, leading to the dead game that we now have.

[severe bone]

when this game came out, there was 0 quests so your point is moot

[dense bay]

^

[rocky elbow]

Incorrect, because you're talking, at the core, about item retention floor to floor.

[severe bone]

we did not get a first quest until PT3 and it was 15 leather caps

[cosmic swan]

It wasn't 3 floor per run too

[rocky elbow]

Ya, no--Read again. I'm not contesting when quests were introduced. I'm stating that the base-line problem is the gamble it used to be when deciding to go deeper into the run. That is no longer a thing. And it was an objectively bad change to the game; as can be seen with the crash in player count.

[alpine wing]

does anyone know how to tell where the guardmen will teleport to in warlord? is it in coordination to where you are facing? or what keys you are currently pressing? or is it random

[severe bone]

quest itmes never should be something you have to decide on, the whole point of the game was to get better loot not farm some ears and skulls for the vendor

[rocky elbow]

Ya, I'm fine with deleting quests.

[rain ravine]

"Why do you want the hardcore dungeoncrawler about resource and inventory management to require you to be picky about what you get and have to make decisions about whether it's worth risking losing it to get more"

Gee boss, I don't know. It might be a basic understanding of the original intent of the game and the media that inspired the developers in the first place.

[dense bay]

the thing is like the gamble is still in the game tho u cant put away the gear you bring in

[scarlet thistle]

expressman was a great addition

[severe bone]

now i dont personally think artifacts should be able to be put in expressman tho, thats just my view as someone who does boss farm

[rocky elbow]

I mean..no one plays the game anymore 😂 --So there isn't really an argument to be made at this point as to whether the changes were good or not. They were objectively bad as can be seen in player retention counts.

[rain ravine]

Low time-preference bootlips and zoomers are unable to understand that convenience features actually aren't always in-line with the intent and vibe of a game and can detract from the experience

[ocean gale]

NGL Expressman is NOT the problem lmao

[cosmic swan]

^ (SDF is)

[rocky elbow]

IM needed to do what FromSoftware has done and tell casuals that this game isn't for them.

[ocean gale]

ngl Elden Ring was one of the easier FS games

[severe bone]

i mean they are in mid process of roaching out

[rain ravine]

It's one problem among many others, the devs have been making some astoundingly bad decisions consistently since Goblin Caves was introduced

[dense bay]

just say u love quests bro and want to slave away at them the entire wipe lmfao

[rocky elbow]

Ya, anecdotes are uninteresting. It is still sub-40% completion rating for the playerbase.

[ocean gale]

Watching yall argue about Quests and the Expressman with everything else going on rn is crazy

[rain ravine]

It's okay we get it you need to buy your loot off of the chinese

[ocean gale]

Well, you bring up the point of pulling a FS and saying "get good", my exact point was that Elden Ring is much easier than the Other games. I mean we go through the achievements as you are if ya want, idk why this gotta be a bit thing

[dense bay]

its just funny cause people really be pissed about people putting away quest items when the real loot is the gear on the players lmfaoooo bffr

[ocean gale]

I am not agreeing with you because I haven't been following your line of thinking at ALL. So lowkey don't latch onto me here

[graceful storm]

are you trying to say the expressman is bad or good i dont get it lol

[dense bay]

idgaf about you agreeing with me or not

[rocky elbow]

And yet still posts a sub 50% completion rate by the player base.. FS started by saying to get good, which is precisely what IM should have said. You're not really making a relevant point beecause FS has already set in stone their point.

[rain ravine]

It doesn't fit with the core intent of the game and should not exist, the problem that it exists to solve should have instead been solved by Ironmace finally actually doing the backpack system they were going to do two years ago and making it so that players could get increased carrying capacity, but at the risk of being able to lose it in the dungeon

[rocky elbow]

The best idea I've seen in this discord in like 6 months was actually a roaming expressman that isn't instanced in a safe place. I wouldn't object to that at all.

[devout surge]

having to extract 5 times before being able to give good or bad karma is stupid

[median holly]

It's like the first hours in the game bro

[dense bay]

buy my loot off the Chinese? lmao now you're just yapping

[rain ravine]

It'd be closer to fitting but still just doesn't, bags aren't even difficult for them to implement and it both gives people another item to craft/care about, and allows them to mess with tradeoffs like wider/taller bags with more space for different purposes, or even things like bags with increased stack sizes for certain items

[rocky elbow]

Ya, the game is dead--And the changes they've put in killed it--backpacks are a good idea too.

[graceful storm]

that makes sense. honestly I wish they removed expressman, left the circle, they could even leave fog of war as long as there was something to guide you to the "hot spots" on the map. But I do wish the left the goblin merchant on HR. It would come in even more handy on the more hardcore versions of HR. If nothing else make it to where you can pay to insure them like tarkov, just incase you died doing a boss there would be a chance you would get your best peice back or whatever you paid to insure as long as nobody else looted it.

[severe bone]

you cant have backpacks without a weight system and no one wants that

[rain ravine]

You actually can and also yes that was both planned and a thing people wanted

[vast kayak]

sure you can, this isn't tarkov

[cosmic swan]

That might be me. I've made this suggestion like a year ago. In november last year actually

[severe bone]

yep and when you see the 11 lad barb

[graceful storm]

they could move so much stuff into the dungeons and make them feel more alive. They desparately need to do it

[vast kayak]

what's the difference between 11 and 6?

[tropic sandal]

5

[rocky elbow]

confirmed

[cosmic swan]

Yep, like the goldsmith (Made this suggestion on july last year)

[graceful storm]

that would be so sick

[fallen heron]

We can’t all live online like you. The expressman is good QOL. If you have quest items and good items you want out you still have to make a decision on what youll risk. And if you don’t want to use him do that. Other people like the feature but no ones holding a fuckin gun to your head

Good response

[cosmic swan]

#suggestion-discussion message That's what they should do right now

[rocky elbow]

It's time for the community to stop pretending/arguing that any of the changes that killed the game are actually good...less the game legitimately die forever.

[tropic sandal]

if it wasn't stolen from Nexon, it ain't making it into the game at this point, we all know that

[median holly]

You're in the wrong here buddy, we barely have a inventory space without expressman people used to just ignore half the dungeon

[half parrot]

anyone else successfully migrated from epic games? I can't even open my game from EG, it just always says "can't connect to the server"

[ionic otter]

I did but now I got false banned in the first 2 days of playing game is bad

[cosmic swan]

I could hear him if we had like backpack, quiver, stuff like this. Then maybe the expressman could be removed. Even tho I think making him a NPC that roam the dungeon is better anyway

[median holly]

I'm sorry but I'm not a mind reader nor a distance mind reader, if you can't support more your single line argument of "expressman bad" there's nothing else I can do

I got the DaD icon on discord that's a cool thing

[random sail]

---- PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT ----

YOU CAN HOLD MY ROPE

WE WILL HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD

SAY IT WITH ME.....

NO QUIVERS

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO PROGRESSION SYSTEM

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

L UPDATES

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

BRING BACK SOLOS AND DUOS

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO NEW CONTENT - NO PREGNANT GOBLINS SMH 🫃

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO DIRECTION - BLIND MAN WITH NO VISION

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

JUSTICE FOR JAYGRIFFYUH AND MY BOY DIDDY 💜

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

All these sudden changes to my favorite game is making my knees buckle. I’m trembling in fear for what may become of my favorite gaming title. I just really need a strong feminine male to hold me through this and tell me everything’s going to be okay.

SAY IT WITH ME.....

[scenic frost]

Dumb question. Do I have to summon bosses in HR? Or will they just be there?

[lofty hemlock]

😭😭

[stuck lion]

I think expressman does encourage killing players to steal their loot. Which is good

[lofty hemlock]

Justice for Jay? 😭😭😭

[cosmic swan]

They removed the summoning so they're just there again

[lofty hemlock]

expressman good

[median holly]

And there's racism out of nowhere <@&988703997378584596>

[scenic frost]

Thank you

[rain ravine]

What do you mean out of nowhere, it's been here before you and it'll outlast you

[soft maple]

hello

[onyx wharf]

@soft maple

[rain ravine]

Noooooo I have to use another alt 😔

[onyx wharf]

Mods are insanely slow so you still got a while

[rain ravine]

What do you expect from an unpaid team of volunteer moderators working for a dev team that doesn't respect them and can't even avoid killing their own game

[subtle heart]

I dunno if “poopskin” is bannable

[cosmic swan]

it should

[onyx wharf]

“(ethnic slur, derogatory, offensive) A person with dark-coloured skin.”

[fallen shuttle]

game dead

[lofty hemlock]

is racism against TOS? I've reported countless racist teammates without repercussion

[cosmic swan]

It is but they're not enough review the report and banning people

[lofty hemlock]

sadge

[median holly]

almost 7k players online I don't think it's dead yet mate

[ripe hare]

can we please stop temp banning range hack cheaters. Just got killed by a cheater with reckless and range hack and he got insta banned but only temporarily. Whats the point of that

[scenic frost]

Other question. In normals, is solo bossing worth it? Can you even get good enough stuff, or should I just be trying to solo boss in HR?

[lofty hemlock]

just HR

[stuck arrow]

uff that's actually quite bad...

[median holly]

To be fair it isn't wardens and tarvern masters fault, the moderation being this lax is SDF fault, people already called it out multiple times to him directly how bad this disc is and he doesn't care, mods are basically doing their best while not being paid and with hands tied in the back

[cosmic swan]

That pretty low for an online game, with 7 or 8 region and several queue. And it used to be 100K down to like 4k before steam then up to 50K on steam release and now only 7k. Two massiv player drop is a pattern, SDF is killing the game

[median holly]

I said it isn't dead, not that it is a in a good position :)

[scenic frost]

Shoulda reworded the question partially. If I've also never bossed, and only watched guides.. Assuming just bring in cheap gear while learning, and that should be fine? Cause I am assuming base gear prob can't kill a HR boss?

[lofty hemlock]

ya squire HR bossing is a slog

[warm tendon]

In Ice Caverns, how do you dodge the overhand ground slam from the Frost Giant Berserker (nightmare). Please @ mention me.

[median holly]

I can tell you how I did, I first went squire yolo mode until i felt that i could beat the boss with gear or until i could beat the boss with squire, then i went to HR with basic gear nothing fancy just blues and got used to the new mechanics of HR after that it's a easy hunt, be careful because some bosses are very punitive any small mistake means death @scenic frost

[trail ibex]

If I craft a cursed bell how much does it sell on the vendor?

[opal hound]

anyone got any gold they don't want? I'm washed and need handouts

[trail ibex]

Best I can do is give you is 8 stacks of silver ingots

[chilly viper]

whats the name of the double stone door module?

[lofty hemlock]

demon gate?

[chilly viper]

yep ty

[trail ibex]

Im looking at the Armourer's catalogue, why does he sell blue helmets at 64g but purples at 48? Is this part of the vision™?

[grand swallow]

Day 300 asking for Prego Gobo

[scenic frost]

I'm assuming both lich and ghost king should easily be soloable with fighter in HR once I learn them?

[median holly]

I don't know if lich will be a good time for you but Ghost King it's a easy one just bring pots and run away before he screams

[vast prawn]

If they don’t add Gnome race and/or Monk class in next patch I’m quitting.

[scenic frost]

I think I was watching an old video of Sparky, and he had mentioned just kite with crossbow the entire time, and obviously bring pots for purple ring .. But not sure if that is still viable

[tender crag]

I have a feeling SDF has made a deal with NEXON, ruin your game and you'll have a contract with us.

[median holly]

the game will be focused in trios content, i don't know if it's worth to do HR lich using only crossbow on fighter

with just one extra buddy most fights get easier, only Spectral Knight and Wyvern are harder to do with more people

[ocean gale]

I would Argue more people on Troll makes it nearly impossible if their spacing is bad

[chrome light]

do you still loose ur gear in arena?

[cosmic swan]

no

[chrome light]

even gear purchased from the market?

[median holly]

That's true got trolled by a few guys in PvE shooting the boss from the door making him go nuts

[cosmic swan]

Yep, you don't lose anything, quest reward, marketplace, reward token etc

[ember egret]

Returning player here, whats the meta like? Why are the player numbers no much lower than a year ago? Why no solo duo?

[marble widget]

please god nerf explosion. either give it a CD, lessen the range, lessen the dmg, or make it not stick to ppl. any of those will work

[tall arch]

SDF is desperately trying to ruin the game.

[cosmic swan]

SDF is pushing his vision against everyone will (the community and the other dev at Ironmace). He's killing the game

[ember egret]

Ahh just like when i left all i remember is bro starting his vision and it was barb hell with mentions of Barb Fighter MS buff

[tall arch]

LOL Still barb hell

[sinful gull]

If you wanna go down the rabbit hole of what happened, watch repozes "is dark and darker dying" on yt, then see patchnotes from the patch after, then watch notlikethis last 3 vids, basically(alot of those vids is unrelated, but it covers ironmaces fails along the way)

[ember egret]

Ill watch the downfall but dont think ill be returning afterall

[upbeat cave]

any1 know when semi wipe is happening

[sinful gull]

not the best time and also a good thing to send a message to the devs!

[marble widget]

also the fact that i can get queued against 2 rogues or 2 warlocks is dumb af

[daring summit]

dont think sdf understands how bad the experience is for random trios atm... and that is the reason games dead atm

[neon yacht]

can we please get some barb and sorc nerfs?!

[daring summit]

dont worry uninstall and wait until they bring back solo/duo queues

[leaden peak]

won't be a thing

[boreal flame]

Devs are doing the best job possible rn, everyone is hyped for the new map

[tall arch]

all 4k/450k people in this discord

[neon yacht]

everyone? all 200 barbs

[cosmic swan]

Not really

[boreal flame]

end of the season, not a big deal. Most people are on SDF, Graysun's side and we know DnD heading in the right direction

[hot zealot]

Does anyone know how to fix the unreal crash when starting up the game? Just a black little window shows up

[leaden peak]

no one cares anymore really lol everyone wants solo duo back

[boreal flame]

Nobody played those modes

[leaden peak]

only more then hath the player base

[tall arch]

mental ret@rdation or bait

[leaden peak]

solo had 3x more players then trio lol

[cosmic swan]

Personnaly I see the new map as new queue who're going to split the small playerbase even more. And also to me as long as they don't work on improving the gameplay loop a new map is useless. When we have so few thing to do (PvP and bossing to make it short) then I don't really care where i'm doing it, a new map is just a new place to do nothing

[cosmic swan]

More than 50% of the playerbase was in solo back then. There's only like 15-20% of the playerbase that play Trio if I remember correctly

[leaden peak]

meh I given up alrady sdf being dumby

[cosmic swan]

He's ruining the game and should quit

[leaden peak]

it's so fuckt game used to have 40k and like 30k on this wipe

[cosmic swan]

Yes but the vision

[leaden peak]

yess making gear worthless make f2p none playebale no one wanna play with bots but they forced cus remove pve

[lofty hemlock]

nerf sorc before wizard. thanks homie

[leaden peak]

sorc so op lol if your good

[lofty hemlock]

infinite spells. that's all I'm sayin.

wizards gotta sit

sorc can full sprint (doesn't need book), can cycle through all of the merged damage spells, has a door blocker (ele), two shots most classes

and this guy wants to nerf explosion? imma explode fr

[stable urchin]

Majority of players were in solo duos bro are you brand new to to the game/server?

[lofty hemlock]

duos 224 was bis

[stable urchin]

Take me back to better days fr

[lofty hemlock]

🪦💐 here lies better days

[alpine wing]

does anyone know how to tell where the guardmen will teleport to in warlord? is it in coordination to where you are facing? or what keys you are currently pressing? or is it random? if it is random what is the best way to avoid getting hit?

[spare saffron]

Just don’t get hit 🤷‍♂️

[alpine wing]

yea im asking how dingus

[marble widget]

blue duos was fire

[void kestrel]

semi-wipe my booty, daddy

[uncut stump]

@dull tulip did you die? like irl?

[vale cedar]

thrust or jokester?

[crystal scarab]

Depends on your stats lil bro

[lofty sun]

Not really, dont want new shit till they can fix the current stuff, like we still have so many issues that need to be fixed we dont need more shit

[vale cedar]

geared rogue

[lofty hemlock]

thrust

[unreal blade]

I'm just learing now that you can't take more than one of a class into highroller, when did that become a thing?

[lofty hemlock]

10% dam is huge , +2all is meh when you're kitted

[crystal scarab]

a long time ago

[unreal blade]

ah

[void kestrel]

Today marks the lowest ever average player count since Dark and Darker was released on steam. Crack out the champagne, boys

[crystal scarab]

That cant be true. The game had like 2k concurrent players in dungeon when they had multiclassing as a end of wipe event

[void kestrel]

It is true. Go to steamcharts.com and look for yourself. Objective numbers. "Average player count" is a 30 day rolling average, not average on a single day

[lofty hemlock]

multi classing would be cool/fun as a weekend event or separate queue mode

[urban lintel]

Yo

[lofty hemlock]

sup

[urban lintel]

Games lit everyone’s bugging hard

[void kestrel]

only in your head and not according to any objective data. thanks for your input though

[noble aurora]

on god

[crystal scarab]

Ok well ive personally seen the in game numbers at like 1800 players in dungeon.

[void kestrel]

sure, on a single day, probably like a tuesday afternoon when people have things to do

[noble aurora]

opinions are subjective never obvjective bruh. you can't have an objective opinion.

[crystal scarab]

its a wedneswday afternoon and theres 3200 in deungeon right now

[void kestrel]

yeah, true. That's why i measure the game's health via objective data like average players month over month. Playercount is dropping and is the lowest ever today

[noble aurora]

it's about to wipe numbers will always dip hard right before a wipe

[crystal scarab]

Im saying this isnt the lowest ive seen it, i know.

[noble aurora]

it's about to wipe. look at any game with wipe mechanic, this is what happens. go hop on a 500 pop rust server last few days before wipe and it's an absoulte deadzone

[void kestrel]

even still. Today marks the lowest numbers measured against any other wipe historically. Go look at steamcharts before you continue to argue irrelevant points

[crystal scarab]

Bro's not even reading the conversation at hand

[void kestrel]

bro. do you know what a "30-day average means". Have you passed a basic high school math class?

[crystal scarab]

Averages dont matter dude its end of wipe

[noble aurora]

what's your end goal here? convince people to not play? i'm confused, if you don't enjoy the game, move on lol

[void kestrel]

spoken like a true luddite

[barren ingot]

Majority of the playerbase probably doesn’t even use steam. All the OGs stick using blacksmith client

[uncut stirrup]

when the mini-wipe is going to be?

[barren ingot]

4 days

[noble aurora]

all i know is the market is always active, i never wait longer than a couple minutes for trio queue, and every lobby i have i see at least a couple people. idk what else yall want, the game is active, stop grooling over steam numbers

[urban lintel]

Honestly the game would be better if people just didn’t suck ass at it.

[uncut stirrup]

Thank you, Hogg.

[crystal scarab]

Also steam wasnt available on every wipe. This dudes just fingering his own b00tyhole and tasting it.

[void kestrel]

probably, but you'll never know. Ironmace are proven liars time and time again. So take whatever playercount they claim with a grain of salt. You'd be more informed taking your information from North Korea itself

[void kestrel]

there's more than an entire year of data. Please go get your GED before commenting more on statistics

[noble aurora]

isn't it on the 26th? so 8 days?

[crystal scarab]

The games been out longer than that lil bro

[barren ingot]

Pretty certain it’s when arena closes no?

[crystal scarab]

Arena closes a couple days before the semi wipe

[noble aurora]

We are announcing the EA Season 6 'semi-wipe' scheduled for June 26.

[void kestrel]

Data isn't real because steam charts only has a year of data as opposed to data from December 2023, when the game was released? Okay, bro. Keep huffing glue, whatever makes you sleep at night

[crystal scarab]

We get it youre regarded bro, move on.

[void kestrel]

sub-90 IQ confirmed

[barren ingot]

What’s the argument here exactly?

[crystal scarab]

He doesnt even know dude. Hes just has diarrhea mouth and enjoys spewin it into this chat.

[noble aurora]

no one ever knows, it's just a 24/7 contstant arguement with different people taking turns

[clear pendant]

Thats not fair, dnd wipes are way longer, actually if you play monthly servers theres ppl playing it the whole wipe. Still, dnd gameplay is the same with 3k players than 30k, your lobby will be filled with 10 players lets say, rust feels so dead if its not full pop

[void kestrel]

Dorkthrone is just lashing out because he doesn't know how to read a graph. It's just sad really. It takes it personally when you point out the devs aren't doing a good job. Kind of weird to be so emotionally invested in a dying game

[noble aurora]

that just simply isn't true bro, go check any monthly wipe high pop server the last couple days before it wipes, the entire map is covered in vacant bases. you'll be lucky to find anyone, and the 10-20 ppl it says are in thjere are just afk lol me and my buddies just go on raid sprees without contest

[void kestrel]

exactly. Up to 70% of players not actually playing but instead idling in the lobby

[noble aurora]

right, i mean even for me right now on dnd, i'm just chilling in the markets or playing arena. no point in doing runs so close to wipe, but the day we wipe i'm on grind modeeee

i think last day or two of wipe ill do some artifact full gear runs just because (im not very good so i dont go in with much gear usually)

[clear pendant]

So you play servers that theres not ppl learning bps, i guess you have to choose better servers
At least in rust you can change what server you play, here you have to tank sdf ideas constantly

[void kestrel]

we still don't know when the wipe actually will be. Nothing is going to change on June 26th besides losing all you loot and gold

[noble aurora]

oh that's what i mean the semi-wipe, i mean no point in grinding gold rn since it's wiping

[barren ingot]

Gear changes and possibly some class balances

[noble aurora]

yeah that's true you have options on rust. but then it's a constant loop of changing servers depending on the wipe cycles. i do kind of prefer everyone being locked into one solid cycle so the experience is the same across the board. rust gets boring fast for me specifically because of that

[minor gulch]

SDF get off your alt account

[lament pawn]

how long do tickets typically take on the website?

[void kestrel]

typically, they don't respond and your ticket is thrown in the garbage. That's my experience after submitting two different tickets

[lament pawn]

i love this game

[noble aurora]

if there is, i wonder how they'll set it up tbh bc think about LaD like what if someone just runs 6 of them lol

[limpid flume]

Dude chats in public discussion and then complains about public discussion

Its giving, why are there ppl in public when you go out into the public

https://tenor.com/view/meh-idc-i-dont-care-whatever-duh-gif-17873786

[thorny elk]

lol the reputation of this game went o shit

[lunar mesa]

THIS GAME NEEDS SDF TO STEP DOWN!

[ocean eagle]

-guys im having a weird bug when i go to arena, sdf said that artifacts would be enabled at end of wipe but when i go to arena it sais this error.

SOMETHING IS AMMIS! IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO BRING IN RESTRICTED ITEMS TO THE ARENA.
PLEASE NOTE THAT ITEMS WITH A GRADE HIGHER THAN LEGENDARY ARE RESTRICTED HERE.
YOU MUST REMOVE ALL RESTRICTED ITEMS BEFORE ENTERING THE ARENA.
ITEMS RETAINED AFTER A LOSS :
ALL
[ OK ]

[vast kayak]

arena should always be a FFA, bring whatever gear you want

[lunar mesa]

yep no uniques yet

[ocean eagle]

wdym "yet"? there is 8 days left until all items are deleted for "semi-wipe"

pretty sure sdf just lied again. Because for the nth time he said he would do something then he's not doing it.

I have an artifact kit worth at least** a million gold**, i would LOVE to use it in arena. It unfathomably dumb to imagine bringing it into HR and losing it to a you know what from you know where. I have only used it in adventure. Let me play it in arena please.

ok im exagerating. its more like 50sk. not no million but its a lot, and i sure wouldnt bring it into hr so someone with eyes that can see through walls and a dagger that cant miss takes it from me.

[arctic laurel]

Graysun said 2 days ago in this channel there will be no artifact arenas, you are not getting them no matter how much u cry.

[waxen totem]

Let me bring in the named items I used my credit card for! REEEEEEEEEE

[uncut cove]

Uniques != artifacts

[ocean eagle]

Sdf said he would do artifacts in arena again, why did this change? Why is it no longer possible to do?

[void kestrel]

Whatever you want, you're not going to get it in this game. lmao

[arctic laurel]

's way or no way

[signal rivet]

What does Biss mean NEW

[tight acorn]

Bis means best in slot. Basically the best gear you could have

[fierce jolt]

Can I get punished if I kill a teammate thas was acting like a jerk?

[plain folio]

yes

[fierce jolt]

like ban or something?

[plain folio]

the teammate u killed and choose to "punish" you which I think just makes it so u cant play for like 15min or something

[fierce jolt]

oh that's ok

totally worth it, the guy was being actively annoying

[tough rune]

im a level 1 wizard any recommendations for spells and skill?

[queen mural]

it sucks the community is so unhappy with this game rn, i played it tons a year ago and wanted to get back into it but its hard to find the motivation seeing the current state

[tough rune]

whats the current state bro

[west gulch]

yeah, play barb

[queen mural]

removing solo que mostly, adding +All back

[upbeat cave]

lol

[tough rune]

fr

[west gulch]

man this game used to be so cool and fun, shame sdf and his vision are a shitty boss

[worldly wedge]

DONT FORGET THE
●** BARDICHE NOW IS A POLEARM**

[kind verge]

only 3k ppl in dungeon what has this game come to 😦

[upbeat cave]

That’s a new high lol

[kind verge]

it used to be like 20k in dungeon when i played

[atomic tiger]

Run it it’s part of the thrill

[marble widget]

can you cut throat silence the GK scream?

[steep pawn]

anyone knows where's hellcross bridge? T_T

[fallen shuttle]

game dead

[pastel shadow]

is there a map of gob caves so i can practice\ where theb osses spawn ??

[ocean eagle]

yea google interactive map for dark and darker

you're not allowed to link to spells and guns, they will tempban you from the discord .

[prime maple]

maybe dont use epic games launcher at all since its owned by questionable state actors.

[spring escarp]

spells and guns goated

[ocean eagle]

spells and guns is goated. but they get their information in a way that the higher ups from ironmace dont like

[median holly]

I didn't get in trouble for sharing the links, maybe they got over it ?

[ocean eagle]

ah maybe it was only the moderators cant use the links. i could have been misinformed sorry

[atomic tiger]

Yeah but sdf and Greyson themselves are questionable people have you seen the videos released on how bad sdf really is to work under the games fun but sdf is actually terrible

[lunar peak]

where is the golden door ? i need one interact with it for quest

[fierce jolt]

HR, second floor of cripts, you need a golden key in order to open it

[lunar peak]

ahh only in hr, thanks

[ocean eagle]

yea, HR only. on the map the room is called treasure room i think.

there are 3 hallways, its the middle hall, downstairs. There are monsters in the dark room, dont let them kill you

[lunar peak]

thanks for the info

[still cypress]

based knower of truth, I remember when Borderlands 3 released and they flooded the steam discussions of Borderlands 2 because they don't have anywhere to discuss of their own lol

[vast kayak]

When is the UI guy going to make it where we can have titles under our name for the achievements?

[lofty hemlock]

UI guy left the company

[harsh tundra]

@subtle heart yo

[jagged fog]

Im stuck in loading screen... whats going on?

[random sail]

---- PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT ----

YOU CAN HOLD MY ROPE

WE WILL HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD

SAY IT WITH ME.....

NO QUIVERS

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO PROGRESSION SYSTEM

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

L UPDATES

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

BRING BACK SOLOS AND DUOS

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO NEW CONTENT - NO PREGNANT GOBLINS SMH 🫃

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO DIRECTION - BLIND MAN WITH NO VISION

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

JUSTICE FOR JAYGRIFFYUH AND MY BOY DIDDY 💜

@glad thunder RESIGN

All these sudden changes to my favorite game is making my knees buckle. I’m trembling in fear for what may become of my favorite gaming title. I just really need a strong feminine male to hold me through this and tell me everything’s going to be okay.

SAY IT WITH ME.....

[clear agate]

@glad thunder we are playing trios with bis gear and are getting DDOSED AGAIN HELP

[nocturne gulch]

is there a fix for a reconnecting loop?

[autumn rapids]

Game Connection is terrible today, I'm not even playing and I keep getting booted from the lobby

[nocturne gulch]

oh ok

[young belfry]

gg game over

[marble star]

How did you got it running ?
I use Manjaro Linux - a nice gameing experiance for me (all AMD system)

[trail ibex]

Shotgun ranger is the only reason we're not allowed to say the class is weak

[zenith lily]

what exactly are the last 2 rewards for leaderboard?

[median anvil]

i run it in debian. use launch options LD_PRELOAD="" STEAMDECK=1 %command% and proton experimental. I use steam though not tavern

[prime maple]

what happened to jaygriff

[onyx wharf]

we dont kow

[zenith lily]

oh fire, whelp guess we'll see in 6.5

[timber imp]

what happened

[thorny fjord]

pls dont kill the game xD

[prime maple]

pls sit on my face

[iron cape]

lol his game is a backpedal simulator

[forest swallow]

why dont you make a game bro

[tame oxide]

Rest animation and emote

[prime maple]

"skill btw" bard cleric + w/e and u win no matter wht

[timber imp]

lol

[median holly]

A fucking epic emote btw, that pirate flag is lit

[iron cape]

literally any team of 10 that have atleast basic knowledge of UE5 and a wallet for UE store and you could make this game in about 3 weeks if it was a work schedule

[forest swallow]

yet nobody has and youre here whining

[winged gulch]

I talked too early XD, it didn't work 100%, the install button didn't but i can explain you how i made to play the test server if you want. it should work for the main game too.

[thorny fjord]

bet

[median holly]

Making a game isn't that hard you're right, the problem is keeping it alive, most games die before a single year

[midnight oar]

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

[fair field]

what was the original reason for rremoving solo and duo queues?

[ocean gale]

the v i s i o n

[median anvil]

revenge on the players

[fair field]

what part? lol

i took abreak endo od last wipe and the game seems to just be in shambles now....

[ocean gale]

THE VISION

[tame oxide]

Return to the original game

[prime maple]

winning

[iron cape]

this game was alive and they deleted all the progress the players begged for in the games foundation, ripped up basically every change from the last 2 years and said, I like trios. Screw my game and its mechanics, screw the player base, ima do me

[winter marlin]

where there's a golden door, there must be a golden key - path of darker

[prime maple]

crazy how hes doing that after we all supported them through the legal issues.

[iron cape]

52k peak on steam alone, 4k peak this week. Bis changes

[tame oxide]

What 18 months of catering to solos does to a game

[median anvil]

it's just fragments of a game now. Not sure how anyone still plays it.

[iron cape]

literally the entire community during the balance change war of 69 said, balance around trios, we dont care how scuffed solos get

[cold spire]

relax izaro

[random sail]

---- PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT ----

YOU CAN HOLD MY ROPE

WE WILL HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD

SAY IT WITH ME.....

NO QUIVERS

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO PROGRESSION SYSTEM

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

L UPDATES

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

BRING BACK SOLOS AND DUOS

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO NEW CONTENT - NO PREGNANT GOBLINS SMH 🫃

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

NO DIRECTION - BLIND MAN WITH NO VISION

🇸 🇩 🇫 RESIGN

JUSTICE FOR JAYGRIFFYUH AND MY BOY DIDDY 💜

@glad thunder RESIGN

All these sudden changes to my favorite game is making my knees buckle. I’m trembling in fear for what may become of my favorite gaming title. I just really need a strong feminine male to hold me through this and tell me everything’s going to be okay.

SAY IT WITH ME.....

[iron cape]

WE HELD THE LINE. WHAT NOW

[fair field]

yeah that seems to be the case. Pretty unfortunate.

[median holly]

Solos and duos weren't what SDF wanted for the game they inserted it because of player pressure, this created the main problem of this game, BALANCE, right now with the current system it's impossible to balance the game for the three queues, and that created the constant flipflop on changes and nerfs on classes, now SDF decided that he wants to follow his vision and is going to remove solos and duos that he never wanted in the game and focus only on trios queue, by his own words he also wants to make possible for solo and duos players to compete against trios in the trios queue, but so far he hasn't explained how he plans to do it

[whole acorn]

Hey you can spam in https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/989065417161048084 but not here

[iron cape]

MY ARMS ARE TIRED BOSS IM DONE HOLDING THIS LINE BOSS

[quartz osprey]

how about keep solo/duo but balance around trios? crazy idea right

[ocean gale]

I honestly never see the 1v3 Situation EVER playing out tbh

[cold spire]

cross it 👀

[random sail]

oh yeah, wrong chat my b

[prime maple]

this

[iron cape]

👀

[cold spire]

[median holly]

Take it to the big guy, he wants trios not solos and he is the supreme leader of this game

[iron cape]

its not about balance its about instances

[prime maple]

what do the boots taste like

[tiny briar]

DEAD GAME, GONNA MUTE SERVER NOW

[median holly]

What do you want me to do dude? I'm literally in this moment feeding mosquitoes larvae in my lab, I have no power over SDF calls

[prime maple]

dude thats like. actualbio weapons

[median holly]

True but that's why i keep saying that the current game can't do it, if they made three separated instances of the game each one with their own balance system they could easily balance solos, duos and trios

[iron cape]

thats just ultimately a bad idea. If you took the time to balance individual gear for every class every random modifier and stat for literally everything across 3 modes and 3 difficulties we would never get content, not that we do now.

[pulsar pebble]

Tbf. They were against solo instances since day 1. They only budged on it because the game went viral beyond what they could of ever hoped for.

I didnt hate solo, but all my fun memories were definitely in 3s with the boys.

[prime maple]

duos for me tbh. trios is too sweaty not fun after a point

[pulsar pebble]

Duos with real gear or normal trios with capped gear was the most fun we had. 3s with gear sucked. Lol

[prime maple]

trios just turns into a who can buff more fest.

[pulsar pebble]

Get 1 clicked by some basement gremlin who could camp the market for 14 hours to build the perfect kit 🤣

[prime maple]

fr lol

[open sundial]

1 clicked?

[iron cape]

its not that its sweaty its that its mid maxxed fine crafted meta stomping d*ck bags who just play the strongest builds. Thats all you can do. How many longsword fighters in trio? None. Its free kills to anyone with a brain cell. But duos and solos hes prominent with heater arming or long.

[prime maple]

can we talk about the gold buying pandemic on this game.

[fading elk]

wait I dont have to transfer my data with the original launcher right

[prime maple]

no one likes to admit it exists but it does.

[upper mist]

People who still play dark and darker what interests do you have with it currently? (Not bait i just wanna get back into it)

[iron cape]

nah just epic, and honestly for those of yall that got the game for free back then and experienced it at one of its best times, this bs of the game going to crap then reverting happens every 4 to 5 weeks. This time they just really messed up.

[pulsar pebble]

The real secret sauce of this game is that its at its most fun when its played light hearted. Voiping. Some goofery. Being happy when you die. Being happy when you win. The laughter is the real dark and darker expirence. Lol

[prime maple]

this. literally this

[median holly]

This game isn't that fun on solo, but some gamers can't entertain the idea of playing with others, imagine speaking with other humans.

[iron cape]

bannable

[prime maple]

more reason why this game is shit then lol

[iron cape]

Let me say that elephant in the room. Who the hell makes player interactions bannable in a pvpve game

[median anvil]

They really like playing ruins over and over and running to graveyeard to pvp with the same 10 ppl over and over again, and getting drilled by barbs and rogues again and again.

[prime maple]

nikita, sdf. heaven forbid u use voip for anything other then talking smack.

[iron cape]

ooooo teaming against bosses like some fat necked rat rogue isnt on the door waiting for the death soundf

[ocean gale]

I usually get called slu rs in the voip

[pulsar pebble]

Yea the barb dominance for 9 months didnt help the health of the game. Brb while i have 250 hp and a horsemans axe that headshots for 140 dmg and 350 ms

[prime maple]

usually a ranger bro. dont lie

[iron cape]

Honestly class imbalance can be fixed easily. Make class specific move speed caps. Barb shouldnt catch a rogue or ranger sorry. Just not how it should go down. Fighter and cleric tho? All day

[prime maple]

they dont catch them tho lol

[iron cape]

you suck at building kits if youre not catching classes as a barb

[prime maple]

or they just play like pansies -shrug- ur also talking about the slowest class in the game

[pulsar pebble]

Just dont balance the classes at all. Rotate buffs and nerfs so no class is top dog for more than a few weeks. Then next patch buff something else on top. Rotating nerfs/buffs is a perfectly reasonable form of balancing imo

[median holly]

You can get banned for teaming in HR, you aren't obligated to kill everyone you find, just can't form groups and use it as advantage.

[iron cape]

Ive realized now that your knowledge and my knowledge arent the same and one of us is definitely more right Barb is the fastest class in the game besides druid breaking ms cap

[prime maple]

yikes.

[loud cobalt]

@glad thunder licks windows

[prime maple]

im cool with being wrong but godayum lol. that pre edit was something

[iron cape]

It wasnt toxic you said barb is slow and that is far from the truth. Like way far, literally solo play barb with achilles and rage congrats you caught the rogue

[loud cobalt]

Nobody should be slow when ms can be put on everything

[iron cape]

I never said I was right or you were we both have opinions and one of us is definitely right

[prime maple]

mmm no it def was, just a better way to talk to people. have a blessed day

[iron cape]

ew soft hands in the game discussion today ig

[prime maple]

lol what

[zealous glacier]

anyone lagging?

[prime maple]

shouldnt be no

[bold nebula]

everyone i think

[idle whale]

u barely need speed on barb when u have achilles and rage like do yall even play the class

[severe coyote]

Game dead yet?

[hybrid vapor]

you could both be wrong also, not saying you are.

[twin wolf]

game is so dead bro

@glad thunder can u please keep using ur vision

[loud cobalt]

Also @glad thunder face it boss epic games doesn't want to touch iron mace with a 10 foot pole they think your company is a joke and a liability after you stole trade secrets
You built a game that Quick yet can't even develop something as simple as a quiver in 2 years lol probably wasn't one to steal the basis from your ex employer!

[prime maple]

hes prolly right tbf i dont play this game like i used to lol

[hybrid vapor]

yeah you guys should leave and help it finish

[celest panther]

I had that thought myself, though with the caveat that class abilities could push you over the class cap to the game cap (maybe 300 barb cap -> 330 game wide cap)

[idle whale]

players are attacking each other now cuz no content and dying game :c

[prime maple]

why would u want anything to do with epic games to begin with. theyre associated with questionable state actors

[twin wolf]

they havent added new content in 2 wipes

dev team is a joke

[loud cobalt]

Money

[prime maple]

ah yes the root of it all of course.

[idle whale]

because they over fixated on ocd balance tuning instead of trying to grow the game and maintain hype

[trail ibex]

Hypothetically speaking, if Ironmace goes bankrupt, will Nexon buy it and pick it up where ironmace left off?

[storm tartan]

When’s the semi wipe?

[prime maple]

u dont want that.

[trail ibex]

Elaborate, I want this game to exist

[twin wolf]

ironmace needs to remove @glad thunder and hire people who actually know how to run a game

[prime maple]

Nexon will run this game into the ground with microtransactions, or they'll just shut it down through spite lol. do you not know the history?

[loud cobalt]

Hopefully @glad thunder goes to prison

[trail ibex]

Never payed attention to Nexon

[prime maple]

for what?

[storm tartan]

When’s the semi wipe @chat

[celest panther]

Honestly, I'd be down to see if nexon could salvage this game. I don't expect them to, but just about anything would be better than what DaD has become.

I'd at least be willing to see if they could salvage something from this game.

[prime maple]

i can respect that.

[loud cobalt]

The civil court is ongoing there is yet to be undecided criminal charges

[iron cape]

thats fine honestly breaking ms cap on class set move speeds shouldnt be too big a deal. Like sprint giving 15 ms or whatever just have ms soft cap at 300 and hard cap is what abilities make it

[idle whale]

did u guys see @glad thunder playing druid in arena like a chad

[prime maple]

oh i didnt honestly know i havent looked into it in awhile since he tanked his game lol

[hybrid vapor]

where do you watch him play at?

[prime maple]

one of the other waste of resources lol. Arena should've never been added

[loud cobalt]

I wonder who would take over if it ends up like that

[celest panther]

Yeah, exactly. It would give class identity based around their intended role with MS, and then give short windows of opportunity to catch faster classes.

[idle whale]

he was on @runic pasture live stream

[trail ibex]

Tbf I think arena was a fun tidbit to segregate all the PvP sweats from the more casual dungeon crawlers. The maps are ass though

[prime maple]

it didnt really work tho

[untold summit]

wait wait wait, is it only trios?

[idle whale]

personally i have fun with arena, i think one of the problems is they try to balance around it tho when people play much differently outside of it i feel like, also the maps kinda ass and stupid shit in it

[prime maple]

im bias admittedly

[iron cape]

peak development in the discord but not in the game

[trail ibex]

normals yes, HR will be too next wipe

[prime maple]

we're never getting duos back are we

[celest panther]

Yuuuup... I've made lots of suggestions over time, but it's not like the devs listen...

[untold summit]

wtf... so theres gonna be no solo or duos?

[hybrid vapor]

it'll come back. like everything else they took away and then added back

[prime maple]

bro the freaking BattleStateGames devs listen more which is saying something.

[true kestrel]

so.. Frost lightning keeps failing and does not shoot out a lot, today I lost a few fights because of that. Wtf is going on? this has been happening for some time now and no one even responds on the bug report sh**

[trail ibex]

Ye why do you think the entire community is turning on SDF? What's the reviewbombing for? The Steam rating halved since the beggining of this wipe

[idle whale]

I wonder if the dev team realizes that 99% of players don’t have a trio squad and won’t play with randoms lmao especially not in HR

[true kestrel]

Despite every other fking useless sh** around this game, I keep playing it, but this is just too much, a fking spell keeps failing, making me loose time between the cast, the mov speed I lose when casting, and then I get killed 1shot by a fkng barb.

How can a fking spell FAIL to come out, it does half of the animation but it just doesn't come out

[untold summit]

SDF? I was like a season 2 player. I hyped myself to redownload it and I gotta play HR for solos TwT

[celest panther]

Maybe ironmace forgot to tell us that the QA guy left like the inventory guy did... oh wait, they never had a QA guy! The players get that job instead!

[frosty rivet]

Ive heard you can transfer epic acc to steam. do i keep the premium thing?

[trail ibex]

A popular youtuber got a poll whose sample size was half the D&D playerbase and they found out the ammount of people who play trios is less than 20%

[kind thistle]

Is there a way to find match history for arena? I thought there was but I can’t find it

[trail ibex]

I've been here since season 3 and honestly the game just never felt the same since patch 69. It was all downhill from there barring some minor QoL changes here and there

[idle whale]

i was over exaggerating a bit that sounds about right 🤣 what are they thinking man

[hybrid vapor]

legendary status, yes

[trail ibex]

Arrogance can harm a person more than his worse enemies. I mean there's a reason why in christianity it was the primary sin of "pride/hubris" and why it was considered worse than homicide. He literally says it should be like that because he feels like it

[twin wolf]

to be fair Solo's is awful idk how people play it to begin with but there is no reason to remove it

[celest panther]

All you you gotta do is compare view counts on a DaD youtuber's recent vids to the player counts in DaD... it's pretty telling

[torpid wave]

hey genuene question, how tf do ppl get legendary meds?????

[hybrid vapor]

trade market?

[celest panther]

Pretty sure there was a quest reward for them during a wipe?

[twin wolf]

@here

[oak yew]

paypal ironmace

[hollow patio]

i can't queue in solos

[heady spindle]

there was a quest that had them early on

[feral herald]

Hey, why do I suddenly lose things when I die?

[idle whale]

i wonder if the highest ranks in arena is just gold buyers chugging TBs and legendary pots

[torpid wave]

no one brings tb to arena

[idle whale]

i saw some dude bring one in but i think it was just to flex lmao

[torpid wave]

yeah bro no matter how geared you are hes not using a tb lmao

[rapid vine]

Hi Graysun, got any more plates?

[brave patio]

how can you be mentally challenged and create a game xD

[void edge]

ironmace

[torpid wave]

HEY GUYS WE KNOW NOTLIKETHIS BEEN FRYING OUR SHIT RECENTLY SO WE PAID A BLENDER ARTISTS TO CREATE FAKE NEWS SO YALL CAN CALM DOWN LOL XD ANYWAYS THIS MAP WILL DEFFINETLY RELESE SOON AND 100% WONT BE ANOTHER QUIVER TYPE PROMISE LMAOOO KEKW

[rapid vine]

Why are you yelling? 😦

[idle whale]

fuck a new map we need goblin caves floor 2 with pregnant goblin boss

[torpid wave]

sry im alt tabing out of a grandmaster league game rn

[median holly]

Bro believes in notlikethis

[torpid wave]

id rather trust a dude who taught me how to play than the guys who post 'Zero to Hero' slop

[idle whale]

u guys gonna play midnight walkers?

[median holly]

Just don't believe people online unless they show proof, you're falling for a failed youtuber who was mad because he wasn't popular, the guy openly lied about everything and just created drama for 1 day of attention

[torpid wave]

dude he went on a 8 month hiatus to compile evidence what are you on abt

[torpid wave]

that and hunt showdown broski

[idle whale]

hunt showdown looks super fun i gotta try dat

[torpid wave]

its on sale rn 50% off until the 26th

[grizzled citrus]

We are not getting artifact arena are we?...🙄

[torpid wave]

that will only be brought back if the youtubers Odin has on his payroll request for it

[inner egret]

artifact arena is cancer

[idle whale]

i heard there was one that lasted a week this season

[torpid wave]

i pray none of u had the missfortune of playing arene back when u could stack classes and bring aftifacts (3 barbs with each having 5 LAD's)

[inner egret]

exactly my point

LAD is cancer tbh and needs to be nerfed it shouldnt be able to be abused

[idle whale]

1v1 arena would be kinda dope but would never happen i think

[graceful storm]

I would be willing to wait a little longer in queue if they would make it to where there is never multiple of the same class on the same team but rn there's nobody playing so it couldn't happen

[cunning summit]

Notlikethis is a fkn rat. Dudes just trying to make a buck

[torpid wave]

read the rest Timmy im not repeating myself

[snow mirage]

is dark and darker cooked

[leaden widget]

@dry knoll

[torpid wave]

5k players currently playing yea its cooked

[leaden widget]

@dry knoll address pulled incase u tried something like that, airforce fpv drone pilot. otw to ur crib

[torpid wave]

bro what the fuck happened lmao

[leaden widget]

kid went to trade cs2 skins for cashapp and ticketed to get the cashapp refunded

[severe coyote]

Oh I'm stickin around to watch and help this dumpster fire continue.

[leaden widget]

the fact they even pulled the funds back 2 days prior is inasne to me

[torpid wave]

why you tagging him in here then

[leaden widget]

ik hes in this server and im blocked only way to pm

[main lintel]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow Please add common rings, necklace, capes.
Will add more variety to build in commons pvp

[torpid wave]

tagging sdf in his own server is like asking for Helen Keler to write a song and sing it

[true kestrel]

sdf is a piece of sh** anyway

[long compass]

Unbelievable dumb take

[idle whale]

so stupid cashapp does this, someone got my whole acc shut down over a fake claim.

[frosty knot]

What do you think got us into this movespeed dependence? Thats how the game used to be. They decided that was bad

[long compass]

Ehh

Barb shouldnt catch ranger by just walking at him, the need to use abilities should be there

[frosty knot]

Yeah used to be that way. The devs decided that was bad

Classes started at different MS and there was no MS cap. Now everyone starts at the same with a hard cap

[onyx wharf]

why use cash app it’s so ass

[idle whale]

even when barbs catch rangers they still have shotgun and pretty good close range utility, it’s not like the fight just ends. for example should barb never be able to catch warlock? then when they do they phatomize? there’s more skill involved in winning fights then just catching the other person

[inner egret]

thats assuming they are running shotgun tbh

[maiden cove]

I feel like class balance is pretty decent tbh

[inner egret]

i agree its about as good as it can be atm imo

[prime musk]

Nah man, there's a reason barb is insanely overrepresented. It's the press W class and they made it far too strong for the minimal amount of braincells you need to play it "decently"...

[inner egret]

the biggest problems facing the game rn are the lack of a middle ground que and the lack of solo que for normals

its always been that way dude and in teamplay its really not that good for arena

[idle whale]

if you’re just running around W keying you are not gonna get very far against skilled players.

[frigid vortex]

bro fix your fuking game

[sly shale]

i love checking steam charts every day bricks me up

[safe raptor]

game dead?

[sly shale]

@safe raptor 27% of the palyer base last 30 days lol

[safe raptor]

well i meant as in did the servers just die. me and my noy just dcd mid game

[prime musk]

Are there any left? In EU we basically play HR against timmies now adays. once every 5:th game you'd maybe get a halfbaked gear team that could put up some resistance, every 10:th to 15:th you'd get a good 50/50 fight. Most >good< people have quit or are sitting in normals...

[idle whale]

oh trust me i know i’ve played EU servers, it’s just potion farming in norms lmao. Yeah sad to see alot of people leaving :((.

[prime musk]

True, it's a good game at it's core. Just... indecisiveness and lack of good leadership that's been plaguing it. Doesn't help with the lawsuits and the stress that probably induced.

[true kestrel]

lol. This is just dumb, barbs should have like a jump or something like that and be more strategic, not just running around swinging an axe or sword while running at speed cap

[main bison]

But running 330 weapon out doing 150+ is good

[true kestrel]

there's a video around of a barb with war maul literally running at speedcap without rage and catching ANYONE on 2 hits while running. It's the stpidest thing i've seen ever on a video game

[prime musk]

This is what i mean with barbs, they press a shout that reaches half a module and win. Especially in norms. To think they for a second thought 5% not to mention the initial 10% MS reduction was needed is beyond me.

Graysun and SDF test these changes in a 1v1 arena for 3 games? ^^

[true kestrel]

This game has 3 main things. Power, speed, health. Barb has the 3 of them, of course it's stupdly broken

[subtle heart]

Ok so I don’t really understand what I read in the announcement, I play on steam and can’t load in. Is it a me problem or are servers down?

[true kestrel]

I just logged in and I'm from steam as well, probably a you problem.

[subtle heart]

Alright thanks

[dark burrow]

why are so many dad streamers playing apogea

[polar swift]

hey guys anyone know where Human Remains are ?

[umbral path]

ironmace offices, they killed inventory guy he questioned SDF's regime

[worn nova]

We have any feel for if we will have Unique arena or nah

[clear jasper]

@glad thunder Daily ask #7, can we get a monk update???

[true kestrel]

so.. mfking SDF. When the Fck are you gonna fix the lag on your svs. died 3 times today only because IT LAGS EVERYTIME SOMEONE CONNECTS TO THE SV.

This game is beyond useless lately. Gotta fight groups of 2 or 3 people as a solo, which I'm okay with, but then I GET Fking lagged in the middle of a fight??? WTF.

ch1n0 put0 de mi1rd4

[dusky spruce]

They can't fix it because they use low quality tencent servers with around 100-150ms inside of your own region. The only way to fix would be to use a better service.

[graceful storm]

almost peking under 5k in usa now

[true kestrel]

really sad seeing this game literally dying.

[hybrid vapor]

you are why the game died

[safe raptor]

i thouhght they patched hot swapping bows and crossbows

[spiral knoll]

i member when we faught tooth and nail to get this game out and now dev just throw it out

[smoky tangle]

damn we at like 4k in game now

[dusky spruce]

Humans tend to have a rather emotional stance when objectively betrayed, yes. Funny how that works.

[willow hearth]

Or sdf is just Korean

[tight acorn]

I kinda have to agree. It’s almost impossible to claw your way back up from “mostly negative” on steam

[idle whale]

Yeah i agree, really good core. I think if they focused more on content, advertising, and hype game would be in a much better spot. They overfocus on balance when there’s gonna be no player base when that “perfect balance” finally gets archived

[idle whale]

i don’t understand what is dumb about what i’m saying lmao it’s pretty basic game knowledge

[dusky spruce]

its possible because those are only recent reviews, but it wont change the games fate at this point.

[half grove]

Hello, can anyone help kill the boss? (Lich and Wyvern)

[hybrid vapor]

No Mans Sky did it. and quietly at that

[scarlet thistle]

i cant wait for only trios

[jovial spindle]

Has anyone tried legacy steel and sorcery?

[idle whale]

nah but i want to, looks fun just not a huge fan of the graphics

[dusky spruce]

The cartoony nature of it does nothing for me. Plus its not really dungeon-y.

[jovial spindle]

It's definitely cool but it's got a learning curve for sure

[hybrid vapor]

look into Expedition: Into Darkness

[jovial spindle]

It's open world ish with dungeons sprinkled around with some requiring keys

[idle whale]

buddy showed me that one, looks great. i’m waiting for midnight walkers rn.

[dusky spruce]

That game feels like the engine is carrying it in terms of aesthetic but its missing on virtually everything else. I mean the third person camera placement makes everything look really bad, its far too zoomed in so your character covers almost a third of the screen.

[idle whale]

i gotta agree i’m not usually a huge fan of third person especially in pvp games, graphics look great tho

[hybrid vapor]

i guess its the large party that appeals to me, but like all games in early access... ya know

[stray shard]

yall seen ad mortem?

[dusky spruce]

Right. It's not as if DaD ever really elevated itself beyond much of its own jank.

[hybrid vapor]

MW looks pretty fire, like what DayZ wanted to be

[dusky spruce]

I dont expect Expedition to make presentation improvements to any serious degree so its a pass for me. It just feels a bit "too" indie.

Well for single player, Monomyth is at least properly Kings Field jank. That's the kind of jank that was there at the beginning of time, so im comfortable with it.

[hybrid vapor]

i'll probably be split bouncing between DaD while i can, Arc Raiders, and Midnight Walkers

[dusky spruce]

in a couple weeks ill be playing Mecha Break most likely. That's got an extraction element though its debatably an afterthought to the main modes. And really, at least that game is polished. like, hella polished.

[idle whale]

mecha break looks frickin awesome.

[dusky spruce]

So long as they fix up their monetization for launch and don't offend everybody with it, it's got a bright future I think.

[graceful belfry]

why does arena end 3 days before wipe

please explain the logic anyone at iron mace, what is the reason

[static bane]

COPY PASTE THIS AS A REVIEW/REFUND REQUEST "Complete reversal from what made the game good devs completely ruined the game and I will never play it again. Since I've purchased, the game was changed multiple times and game balance moved toward end game meta and top players instead of the general playerbase, in its current state it is unplayable as a solo or duo player without abusing the meta which only allows for 3 of the 10 classes to be played with any success. honestly this game should be removed from the steam store just as it was removed from epic as the devs stole the entire game and lost a lawsuit regarding this. The community is dead and the game is in a unbalanced and unplayable state."

[mighty prism]

Company is ran by c l o w n s that’s why

[limpid acorn]

DONE

DEV NEEDS TO PACK IT UP, FRIES IN THE BAG LIL BRO GAME IS FUCKING DEAD & DOGWATER

[static bane]

TRUEEEEEEEEE

[hexed burrow]

I like how their own Tavern Master is rocking a different game's tag

[raven valve]

so did they get rid of the TAVERN CHAT CHANNEL ?

[valid roost]

No

[stray shard]

why don't they kick these trolls out of the discord lmao all I see whenever i come to these channels are trolls.

[near jasper]

Pretty much

[stray shard]

are there even people that do that?

[limpid acorn]

KEEP SU CKING ON THOSE DEV NUTS THEY ARE GONNA GIVE YOU THE REACH AROUND ONE DAY

FUCKING ABSOLUTE PISS LOSERS TO STICK UP FOR THIS GAME

[stray shard]

bro is a no life go do something with your life weirdo

[limpid acorn]

LMAO WIPE YO CHIN ITS RUNNING DOWN YO FACE

[stray shard]

tell your girl that :' the non existent one

[limpid acorn]

KEEP SLURPING LIL BRO

[stray shard]

You don't even know what that is lmao cvck

is there going to be anything new in the next update? im waiting for it to play again

okay bro we get it you want guys to do this instead of chicks go find another discord for that

[manic thistle]

why is their so many rogues high on the leaderboard

[stray shard]

what mode?

[amber vigil]

Is that even a question?

[slender orchid]

Just opened the game this evening and stuck at Connecting.. server having issues right now?

[gray rivet]

We can only hope the servers have finally shut down 🙏

[vast kayak]

loot n scoot, Kings of evasion

[unique nova]

is the game gone?

[waxen rivet]

Who is saving the game

[austere jungle]

you okay silly boy? 🙂 why so angry I dont like this game and direction either but dont insult others? in full caps aswell lol.

[rocky hound]

are we no longer getting arenas with artifacts anymore?

[devout pollen]

probably not

[rocky hound]

):

a friend of mine said they usually do arifact arenas a week before wipe, but if thats no longer the case then ):

[hallow garden]

Well done @glad thunder you killed your game and all your investors will lose their money! Nice Vision for the game you trio b00n

June 2024 - 50k players
June 2025 - 7000 players

Well done @glad thunder you will get an Oscar for the least intelligent leader in the gaming industry

[dense berry]

Man, those steam chart numbers just keep tanking, folks

[narrow pike]

Relax dude we know ur a flop

[limpid acorn]

keeping on riding they will surely fix the game if you keep defending them

[south copper]

im looking forward to the new changes to the items after the 26th

[hexed charm]

i really enjoyed this game until recently. I just came back after about a year and was having a great time learning sorcerer. I accidentally have hit people while learning my first spell caster and my name went red. I understand wanting to ban team killers but these are clear mistakes which if there was any recourse i would record. but i cant do shit about it and now any time i have an accidental team kill i get a soft ban for hours. shits dumb as fuck because people WANT to report because of that enforcerer rating. ive been killed by my own team many times. shit happens. why the fuck are you making your playerbase smaller by not allowing some sort of appeal system. like at this point fuck this game

[solemn shore]

when is wipe

idk i guess the one thats closest?

[static bane]

You guys just don't get it. It wasn’t SDF that ruined the game okay?? It was the OTHER devs, it was the COMMUNITY. This man is a visionary, a martyr, the Chimpanzee who cooks!

SDF didn’t ruin the game, the game was ruined by listening to the other silly devs and the ignorant community! They aren't worthy of his genius, so that's why we have to delete everything and start over.

Not because of bad planning, but because SDF’s ideas are simply too advanced for current gaming technology. One day, you’ll all look back and realize we didn’t deserve him.

SDF is the best game dev on Earth. Period.

LET HIM COOK

[solemn shore]

cuz i wanna get the religion skin

[jovial heath]

patch69

[paper valley]

I know no one cares, but this game is literally unplayable for me rn. I've sat through 2 hours of gaming while lagging like hell, Like, BADLY, can't cast spells, rubberbanding somewhere I was a minute ago or just not moving at all, abilities don't work. I've tried every setting for performance. nothing. And this has been happening for the past few weeks. I think out of everything thats been happening, the game changes, the direction, ect, this is the thing that truly pisses me off. I can't even say if I enjoy something or dislike something anymore, because 80% I literally can not play the game. And I'm not playing at peak hours?? And this is the only game I've having server issues, sometimes it just kicks me out. Does anyone know what's happening server wise?? Im NE U.S.A, please give advice or something, I literally can not play this game :/

[minor gulch]

SDF get off your alt account

[cunning summit]

asked

[abstract apex]

notlikethis get off ur alt account

[brave oriole]

Ai generated slop pfp is crazy

[median holly]

Why are you killing your teammates and not reviving them if it was an accident?

[lofty sun]

bro, it is sdf, he gets the main say
if he listened to the community we'd have solo and duos back but the plan on removing solo and duo queues from high rollers
druid is broken because sdf likes him

[median holly]

can't you just stay spamming in #the-tavern ?

<@&988703997378584596> <@&1019888848773328936> Can you guys deal with this spamming lil dude?

Thanks

[narrow pike]

Why do u care so much?

[median holly]

They're mad and angry children tend to lash out at others

[sand elk]

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[hybrid vapor]

alrighty, see ya later!

[sand elk]

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[hybrid vapor]

well its dead right, so you'll be leaving then?

[sand elk]

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[hexed charm]

in arena

[sand elk]

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[median holly]

If you're killing teammates in arena you deserve what you got, sincerely

[hexed charm]

i mean if someone runs in front after i charged an attack and sent it i try to move it but not always possible

[hybrid vapor]

great comeback. anyways, see ya! have fun and all that

[green mortar]

where do you get wardweed from?

[vast kayak]

goblin caves

[sand elk]

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[hybrid vapor]

Why are you still here? didnt you hear? the game is dead.

[hexed charm]

plus if thats really how you feel over an accident you sir are part of the reason the games dying

[sand elk]

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[sand elk]

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[hybrid vapor]

naw dawg, closed servers is dead. Go try to play cycle the frontier real quick

[sand elk]

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[hybrid vapor]

but for real go check out Expedition: Into Darkness

[sand elk]

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[sand elk]

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[hexed charm]

os runescape never dying

[hybrid vapor]

Then go play abyss of dungeons idk

[sand elk]

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[hybrid vapor]

look it up silly goose

[abstract apex]

Let lizards and lycans wear helmets.

[sand elk]

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[hybrid vapor]

lmao im a pirate brother. pay for what?

[sand elk]

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[night ravine]

Have a day off

[hybrid vapor]

im just poking you for claiming dead game and hanging in its discord.