game-discussion

[whole geode]

what class r u playing

[cobalt horizon]

thing is though, top streamers are also complaining about ranger
last wipe ken was complaining about how stupid it is that ranger can hit for 200 to the head with BiS which is quite frankly ridiculous

all of the examples you listed are melee, apart from bard crossbow, but keep in mind that is a crossbow, with 1 shot and 4-5 sec downtime while reloading. ranger can accomplish those damages and even higher, from range, and pump out shots every 2 secs that do 120+ to head for 26 seconds straight

[last orbit]

I died to a bard, when are we getting the next nerf out

[queen falcon]

rogue

[cunning summit]

when can we get HR duos

[ripe vessel]

whether or not ranger is OP, it still needs some nerfs. They are nerfing other classes, but leaving rangers relatively the same

[cobalt horizon]

yea wizard fights when noob vs noob, wizard usually wins, its really easy to spam spells on other new players when they dont know spacing or anything, just do your best to bait them close to corners and then push tf out of them

[graceful surge]

The fact that snack is still instant 25 HP is really telling

[whole geode]

if the rogue doesn't basically come out of stealth and 1 tap me i always kill them as a wizard

[lofty ruin]

With proper gear they can hit 105 or more on the head

[last orbit]

I really want a reusable campfire in its place

[vestal chasm]

what sidestep it? you know they can turn to adjust the hit way faster then you can sidestep right? meaning if the player is halfway decent you cant dodge it and the spear out ranges most weapons so back stepping it isnt a viable option.

[queen falcon]

do wizards have someway of seeing me in stealth? as the amount of times ive tried to hide around corners or heard them come through a door so used stealth and they have just hit me with spells is way too many times to seem like lucky guesses

[ancient isle]

@graceful surge no because you are so mentaly il you dont understand a single thing about game balance, you probably thought ranger was op before damage changes in the last patch, even though at end game ranger was the second weakest class, @cobalt horizon invisible barbarian is melee but has 350 ms and and invisible fighter can hit for the same damage as ranger just build weapon damage + you have 60% pdr, bard gets to hit for the damage + can buff + can scrimage against fighters/clerics + has 350 ms perma

[burnt osprey]

yo random question do yall know why the game keeps declining my payment for dnd I've got the money n stuff but it just refunds me

[last orbit]

it was only weak because of how insane a buffed barb could get.

[ripe vessel]

I think most people are having an issue with is the balance around 3 player comp. I know its the direction IronMace wants to take, but some people disagree with it

[whole geode]

the game wasn't made for solo so they should continue to balance around 3s

[last orbit]

in the sense that, 3s shouldn't be a non-stop freight train, even if that makes a class feel a bit anemic solo then yeah

[graceful surge]

"no because you are so mentaly ill 🤓" come up with something new its getting old. If all you're gonna do is ad hom atleast freshen it up every once in a while.

[amber glen]

we need low roller lobbies

[ancient isle]

come up with a take that doesnt sound like you only play goblin caves "bless" in buff ball 😭

[cobalt horizon]

dude those are all melee, ranger is ranged and has on average 60-80 arrows that do 120 damage to head each, the balance does not check out

[ancient isle]

so you telling me ranger is stronger than buff ball barb or what?

[graceful surge]

"You'll never reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into"

[last orbit]

also how much are gold sacks running for now

[ancient isle]

"wizard is weak" keep crying while i one shot wizards with my + 7 damage purple longbow

[amber glen]

Playing Ruins vs Lobsters as a lvl 20 no gear is just disheartening.

[cobalt horizon]

yes in a lot of situations, but also buff ball barb relies on 2 other players to accomplish buffball, whereas ranger can be strong as fuck when only being solo, it does not rely on other people for strength

[last orbit]

yet it doesn't hold up against 3 people

[graceful surge]

Again, how does that prove they're not OP? you think you're burning me but all you're doing is working against yourself.

[vestal chasm]

what point are you trying to make here? and how tf are you saying ranger 2nd weakest class? they have the best ranged dps with the hardest to dodge range on top of being able to deal melee damage like a fighter, and why are you saying invisible barb and invisible fighter?

[ancient isle]

pre patch bud @graceful surge i dont think you understand what im doing to you lol fall for the bait again bud

[vast ravine]

Ranger just does too much damage for no risk. All range is like that, and range as a whole is a bit silly in this game, but Rangers just get to do it for no risk and so easily with the way gear is. Just not fun running into them. Dying by other classes I can blame myself

[graceful surge]

[rotund orchid]

Lol that's crying

[cobalt horizon]

where are you getting your info "rangers were 2nd weakest class prepatch"?

[ancient isle]

in end game, with no damage stacking you do no damage.

[graceful surge]

From the voices in his head like every other garbage take he presents. He'll project it onto other people tho

[last orbit]

considering a majority of this game is in closed halls man, its not that hard.

if we're talking ruins though yeah you're just kinda fucked rangers get free reign there

[ripe vessel]

Another thing to note is that a lot of players arent running these optimized end game comps. We need to consider class interactions through all gear levels

[cobalt horizon]

in end game with damage stacking you do 160 per headshot with prolly 100 arrows and 28 seconds of arrows doing 160 per hs every 2 secs

and that is 2nd weakest?

[vast ravine]

Even less room to dodge Imho. Yeah the corners make it easier but I still argue a fireball or longbow down a straight hall is pretty hell

[red shadow]

Game down?

[placid belfry]

loser ass coward teams in full purples and oranges going into regular crypts maps so pathetic LMAO @Graysun sick patch

[floral sluice]

"it ended abnormally"

[ancient isle]

i said pre patch ? read the message

[last orbit]

well if you're actually trying to fight them down one, yes

[cobalt horizon]

oh sorry yea, its 28 seconds because longbow triple shot nerf

[red shadow]

sweet just lost all my shit to an "ended abnormally" error

[floral sluice]

same! second time today

[ancient isle]

triple shot is irrelevant to what i was talking about? you couldn't stack damage before the update bud but you wouldn't know this because you only play in greys

[unreal vessel]

2 arrows on longbow now

[vestal vault]

i have had 3 portals spawn outside of the map. can ironmace please fix this stupid crap?

[cobalt horizon]

wdym you couldnt stack damage? you could reach 200+ headshot with BiS gear, now i think its about the same because of the slight bow damage nerf, but even still its always around the 200 mark

[ancient isle]

no you couldn't that was pre wipe im talking about the 1 day of everything nerfed

[ripe vessel]

quick fire is better than quick shot now for longbow

[last orbit]

if you can aim anyway

[cobalt horizon]

why does that matter at all those stats lasted for 2 days? we have already had our current stats with +4 longer than we did those

[ancient isle]

it doesn't matter, i was saying you guys are the people who thought ranger was op during that time period

[graceful surge]

Longbow only lost like 3-5% damage across tiers, So it even worse than you think. Somehow they nerfed recurve more, about 7-11% across tiers.

[cobalt horizon]

i never said that???

why are you resorting to "you are the type of person to say x" arguments now lil bro 😭

[graceful surge]

Ranger has been OP since the games inception but keep spewing from your mouth what should be coming from your ass.

[vestal vault]

why the fuck does rangers have spears in the first place.

[ancient isle]

i think you guys need to learn some positioning or understand the map better maybe it will make ranger easier to deal with

[cobalt horizon]

wtf bro i thought it was worse 😭 i wonder what the hypothetical BiS +4 true +4 additional +4 weapon could get you right now

[cobalt horizon]

positioning is irrelevant when you are playing against a good ranger who has the same level of positioning, but against noob rangers positioning works

[graceful surge]

Yea, if you watch onepegs video you can see the chart for pre patch and post patch weapon damage numbers with relative % for how much they were nerfed, and yea rangers got off super easy its kinda insane. Only proves just how deep the devs bias for their darling easy mode class goes.

[brisk mason]

why is there a god geared player in every single lobby

[prisma cape]

if you think ranger takes skill your missing alot of braincells

[ripe vessel]

difference between a good ranger and bad ranger is night and day

[graceful surge]

real @ancient isle

[cunning summit]

yeah gear is def too good this patch, ppl feel unkillable

[brisk mason]

its not a gear thing, its a cleric warlock thing on top of all wpn dmg being negative

[ancient isle]

bud im not the one who thinks wizard is weak lol

[ripe vessel]

ranger just has a low skill floor

[cunning summit]

with +2 to all attributes and +4 weapon dmg i literally get one tapped from full by geared players every game

[robust mica]

We need a roadmap for development

[cobalt horizon]

it does against other really good players, but all of that is solely playing around traps, apart from that 0 skill

[placid belfry]

@zinc sparrow why did u deny knowing who that streamer was even tho you DMd him and told him you would use his complaints in a patch? why do you only cater to sweaties and streamers? lmao shady ass devs

[prisma leaf]

wts+2all pendant

[graceful surge]

Bro is do you have short term memory loss or something? I said wizard was not OP, not that they were weak. You really need to take a break I think all this is starting to get to you.

[ancient isle]

but everything else is op -> not op = weak (invis barb not op idk)

[cobalt horizon]

hes not wrong you need to take a break, he listed the stuff he said was NOT broken, not weak, also it wasnt only wizard

[graceful surge]

Wow I don't even know what to say to that lmao. Its hard to believe they let you out of your straight jacket to type in here.

[vivid pendant]

whoever runs the asylum is the sanest

[sudden aspen]

i am having so much fun rn

[ancient isle]

i mean if you really think about it people who say what they play is weak are obviously just bad lmao they the only ones who need their counters nerfed and buffs maybe try not being bad at the game and maybe wizard will become op to you

[unkempt charm]

Its absolutely insane to me that warlocks strike ability only has a 14 second cool down lol

[cobalt horizon]

dude he still hasnt said that wizard is weak you nut

[ripe vessel]

curse of pain buff is bigger than people think too. Its so much easier to hit now

[graceful surge]

What part of "I don't think wizard is weak" do you not understand? are you serious rn? you CAN'T be this stupid. This dude is just a g a s l i g h t i n g Machine

[ancient isle]

i dont understand how players like you exist where you are so bad at the game and only play normal gc and normal crypts, + doesn't know what buff ball is + doesn't know how to fight ranger + doesnt think barb is strongest class + stay in greys cry 😭

[graceful surge]

Bro's stuck in a loop, I don't think hes reading anything we say anymore hes just spewing the same shit over and over while frothing at the mouth

[ancient isle]

at least not stuck in a loop of die - > requeue in my greys - > die to ranger -> go to discord -> cry -> requeuing in my greys - > die to ranger

[ripe vessel]

grey experience is important to the overall playerbase of the game. Otherwise new players will quit

[cobalt horizon]

lmfao is he reading or not what is going on 😂

[ancient isle]

you can get out of greys in 2 games of sub 15 lobbies takes 5 brain cells to do them adding all the blues and sht to the merchants only negatively affects these players but was added due to the crying of these guys like iinferno and xalamon who cry about gear disparity

[vivid pendant]

sub 15 lobby only player?? lol

[steel oak]

where does the old rust key get used now?

[outer dawn]

you sound like a big nerd

[ripe vessel]

yes, but new players are still learning basic mechanics like attack patterns, dodging, looting, etc. For those of us who have been playing a while, we take for granted the learning curve

[rancid patio]

I missed that day and a half where the game was hella fun

[molten laurel]

how to make a voice channel?

[graceful surge]

Its funny how mad you are

[ancient isle]

mad about what? dying to rangers? not possible i think thats you, try not projecting please

[prisma cape]

bro can i play one game without a mega geared team in normals, like what is this game, i guess if you dont grind the first few days or make a new character your just in for a shit time

[molten laurel]

how do i make a temp party voice channel

[sacred turtle]

some people really gotta stop playing this genre lolol cant believe yall are still in here crying about rangers

[ancient isle]

real can you guys go play tarkov before you come here or will you quit in 2 games

[cobalt horizon]

dude youre clearly heated, and xalamon is also clearly not mad he is just insulting you because its funny at this point lol

aka you are still getting baited

[ripe vessel]

are you in +15 lobbies? Might be better to start a fresh character to get some gear

[frail spire]

Mental issues

[ancient isle]

im getting baited? as in you know im correct? as in you are purposefully being incorrect to instigate me? ty for admitting im correct

[graceful surge]

You wouldn't respond to everything I say in half a second with the same copy paste ad homonym shit you have been for the past hour if you weren't mad Me? I'm smiling ear to ear, this is like reality TV except its not staged and you really are just that insane.

[ancient isle]

smiling ear to ear looking at your empty stash with you grey spell books really? im smiling hear looking at my full stash of + 3 -7 damage ranger gear

[whole geode]

InsaneWizardMain

[graceful surge]

Damn, where have I read that before? oh wait it was you 5 minutes ago

(You can tell hes really fuming since his grammar is only getting worse lmaaaaaaooooo)

[cobalt horizon]

from urban dictionary:
Baited -
To get trolled (v.) ; to be made salty
(Past Tense) Making a controversial statement in order to invoke a rant, with the intention of producing salt

it means you are getting angry at us saying stuff and we are laughing at you for doing so

nobody said you are correct

[ripe vessel]

think the name is supposed to be sarcastic, but pretty good

[last orbit]

hate this discord

[half beacon]

do youtube shorts count towards troubadour?

[glad steeple]

where do i use old rusty key? got it from the worm in ruins

[whole geode]

yeah maybe he doesn't even play wizard lol

[cobalt horizon]

smiling hear @graceful surge true asf bro this is so funny

send stash screenshot in #wizard rn

[ancient isle]

you just said you are baiting me and now you give me the definition saying that you purposefully state a controversial statement to invoke something ? why do you do this to yourself?

[ripe vessel]

im just confused that this conversation is still going on and why I am wasting my time with it. it is entertaining I supposed

[ancient isle]

idk what is "no access" channel ill just dm it to you

[graceful surge]

Haven't actually played wiz since wipe, only really played warlock and now ranger since I got sick of being class diffed, but you won't step up and supply gameplay so I see no need to send you shit lil bro Keep fuming

[cobalt horizon]

entertainment, its like at the zoo where you act tough to the gorillas and they get all angry whilst you laugh at them, except you are the gorilla in our example

aint no way you arent in wizard channel and you claim you are a wizard main

[ripe vessel]

to be fair, the channels are bugged. I dont even know what it says my main is. I selected all roles to get all channels

[ancient isle]

i just sent you the screenshots now send me yours

[whole geode]

He named himself WizardMain to project like he has some semblance of skill. Yet he plays ranger basically a ranged hit scan class. I'd love to see some of his gameplay haha

[sacred turtle]

i just died to a kitted fighter... guess ill sit here for 5 hours and cry about it 😦

[graceful surge]

Well, its been a fun ride gentleman but I'm hungry and a little tired of being insulted on repeat by this troglodyte => @ancient isle. @cobalt horizon You're a real one see you in wiz chat sometime always fun talkin with you. Peace.

[ripe vessel]

my main should be warlock right now because it wasnt letting me view it without changing it

[last orbit]

still crying about the bard that killed me... muh purple gloves...

[hallow hinge]

wow I used to like this game, but its honestly getting really boring to go into GC for some solo games, and just getting steam roll'd by blue/purple geared players that auto kill everyone they see, and then when I run into a grey gear, it's a barb that 1 taps me as a fighter with second wind on anyways. I landed 2 headshots and hes sitting at 75% hp... I think I'm gonna pass on this wipe.

[jagged yarrow]

It's definitely not hitscan, it's projectile. Probably feels like hitscan from a short distance though, but it won't from long distance.

Unless you're up against a hacker.

[whole geode]

bro really died to a fireball the slowest skillshot in the game now hes upset? bring back emojis so i can hit him the cl0wn

[cobalt horizon]

cya bro this was fun asf

[ripe vessel]

fireball is less scary now too. It still hurts, but not as much

[vestal vault]

+attribute on a bow is the most brain dead thing anyone could have thought of

[sacred dune]

unplaylable game for melles now...70%off my lobbies are warlocks wtf is this game

[sweet jay]

same for weapon damage on armor

[whole geode]

play barb u have 33% starting mr

[gusty kindle]

rangers dmg needs to gogo

[sacred dune]

there is no fkin counterplay vs 800 spells and warlock healing herself on hydra is stupid

[ancient isle]

? bud i main wizard only play ranger because its easier for bossing + teammate wants to play wizard id love to see you guys play ranger in high roller tho surely its as op as you say it is and will wipe all your lobbies

[vestal chasm]

ehh i would argue fireball moves slow enough its pretty easy to dodge, hallways are typically wide enough to side step, and you can count to 5 and know that at best if they are drinking clarity pots might be 1 more fireball where as longbow they can have nigh infinite arrows(your not going use 100 arrows in the span of 1 fight), does just as much if not more damage then the fireball and travels fast enough your only hope of dodging it is to just randomly wiggly around and hope they aim weird

[wide mulch]

Anyone know if you can crouch-lookdown dodge the red skeleton longsword the same as the regular skelton longsword? I have 0 issue with the regular longsword skellys doing this but the red one just demolished me and caught me off guard

[topaz hornet]

red one has floor scrape and idk if they changed it with recent patch its felt weird

[ancient isle]

any decent wizard would aim at feet for splash damage if they miss ?

[hallow hinge]

I quit for now. See you in a few months Dark and Darker

[whole geode]

why would i play ranger when i can play fighter lmfao?

[sacred turtle]

BYYYYYEEE LOSERRRRR

[ripe vessel]

you can also hear it being casted and get ready to dodge

[cobalt horizon]

perfectly explained well said

[wide mulch]

Ah ok so you cannot dodge it the same as normal then

[ancient isle]

idk why would you i said that earlier, fighter can just build wep damage do the same as ranger have 60% pdr and melee i just assumed you were like the rest of these guys cryin about ranger

[vestal vault]

at this point, im just not gonna play until next wipe. the economy has once again gone to shit because of the idea to put most attribute buffs on ALL varieties of equipment and weapons including fucking weapon damage out of all things. im gonna save my sanity for when this game is genuinely fun and not full of people with blue and purples in naked lobbies one tapping everyone because of this economy and game ruining choice by the devs.

[sacred dune]

+1

[sacred turtle]

"naked lobbies" get gooder

[ripe vessel]

has anyone worked out the new way to dodge wraiths? Old way seems to only work sometimes. If there is no staircase*

[vestal vault]

"better". gooder isnt a word 💀

[whole geode]

i dont even think ranger is that good just annoying that like 5 classes counter wizard lol

[ancient isle]

which classes? other than the obvious ranger and barb

[oblique sorrel]

Anyone with a crossbow

[livid citrus]

cleric, right ?

[cobalt horizon]

ranger, barb, fighter, bard, rogue with gear, warlock

[whole geode]

barb, ranger, fighter bard w/ crossbow, warlock w/ its shield and mr/hydra blocking all spells

also playing wizard in casuals/non organized team = death

[ancient isle]

i really dont know how you can be struggling against fighters even if they have cross bow 1 fire ball = half their hp 3 zaps = dead 1 chain = half hp if they ever go for cross bow reload they die you obviously shouldnt fight at long range if you know they have cross

[oblique sorrel]

One crossbow headshot and the wizard is dead

[cobalt horizon]

if they have a bow and dont play stupid they are hard to kill

you actually have to get close to hit fireballs, 3 zaps, 1 chain, whereas they can stay behind doorways which you cant counter

also all wizard spells are very easy to dodge and you can see when someone has a spell primed, a fighter with crossbow can whip it out and shoot before you can see the crossbow

[ancient isle]

wizards know how to deal with fighter why do you think people like toddfather were complaining about wizards all last wipe

[grim leaf]

i thought i'd really like the increase to gear drop, but man as a non sweaty i haven't fought someone in duo's that isn't in full blue / purples while i'm still on 0 gold in a very long time lol

[whole geode]

bro that guy is a brainlet lol

[oblique sorrel]

Prob because MR wasn’t nearly as high as it is now

[ancient isle]

bro what wizard still does the same amount of damage to fighters what is you on about

[fiery walrus]

Anyone have an idea why my download of the game would take literally ages to complete? Seems like the completion bar barely moves (7% after 2 hour) is there a known issue on this?

[cobalt horizon]

there is a small distance in a wizard fighter fight which is about 3.5-5 meters, which is the only distance where you can run if they get too close, but can stay close enough to hit spells

you dont maintain this zone in a fighter/wiz fight, you die

[vast ravine]

Zap just widdles a mans soul away. Rangers simply show how good ranged is, the core of the problem imho is just ranged damage in general is just so high for how little risk it can be

[whole geode]

not before they brought back +all and dmg shit

[ancient isle]

brainlet = top 1 fighter player on leaderboard lol @cobalt horizon ok and? wizard is balanced around being a hard class to play, stop complaining that it takes skill to win that match up, when you are good at wizard fighters are free kills always

[grim leaf]

i agree, almost all your fighters are just rangers

[cobalt horizon]

good fighters can break you out of that distance very easily, 1 misplay and you die, whereas the fighter has infinite arrows he can spam and can just second wind if he makes a mistake

[oblique sorrel]

Not sure any kill can be free if they can get a lucky 1 shot kill with a crossbow. Not to mention the fighter most likely has a cleric behind him lol

[ancient isle]

ok and like i said wizard is a hard class to play if you make a mistake you die, thats the point, its strong if you are good at it lmao. the skill expression gap that a wizard can have compared to a fighter is huge

[whole geode]

in non bis gear wizard is absolute buns my guy

[vast ravine]

Wizard is for sure strong. I think it's unfun to play atm at lower gear due to eldritch shield being a thing and warlock spam.

[cobalt horizon]

if you are good at fighter though the matchup is still bad, an insane wiz vs a decent fighter is an ok matchup, which shouldnt be a thing

wizard just gets countered by everything rn

[ancient isle]

no an insane wizard vs any fighter is free

[whole geode]

yeah just gotta use all my spells to kill him and not make a mistake or he just runs u down and 3 hits u with a grey arming sword lol

[cobalt horizon]

so what do you do when the fighter stays out of your spell range and does not let you get zap/chain/fb on him and spams you with crossbow the entire time you are trying to get those spells off

[ancient isle]

all your spells as in 3-4 zaps or 1 fireball + 2 zaps? @cobalt horizon you dont peak him until you get the opportunity to close the distance?

[dim echo]

why does my game download super slow.... its been an hour and it only downloaded like 1gb so far

[civic fog]

Devs got waaayyy to cozy with streamers. Never realized graysun was in their chats hanging out with them this whole time

[oblique sorrel]

All of which can be blocked with a shield

[fiery walrus]

Same here! Im trying to get an answer for this

[ancient isle]

zap his feet lmao? no damage multiplier on zap it does same damage head and feet? fireball splash him? does 30+ damge splash?

[cobalt horizon]

im pretty sure theyve been getting ddosed today which makes their servers slow, and when you try to download they are uploading from their servers onto your computer, and if their servers are slow they will only upload so fast no matter how fast your download is

[whole geode]

30+ damage splash in bis maybe lol

[sacred dune]

dude fighter its trash now. 90& of the lobbies are warlocks this is pathetic

[oblique sorrel]

Base fireball splash is 10 damage

[ancient isle]

ok? wizard is weak early game. its also the cheapest class to gear up.

[small seal]

Will the game be coming back to Steams?

[fiery walrus]

Ah thanks that would make sense. Sadly no info about an ongoing DDoS. I was a real fan of Ironmace and their vision… but they are not taking up the responsibility that comes with their growing player base and this again just shows…

[cobalt horizon]

30 damage splash is almost unfeasible unless you have a 3-10k set on, also you cant "just zap his feet" if he strafes when you are aiming at such a small hitbox, chances are you will miss every now and then

also a fighter will not just stand there and let you zap his feet, if you are close enough to zap him, he will use sprint and run at you, then if you make 1 little mistake while running you die

[sacred dune]

UNPLAYLABLE game now

[ancient isle]

aim better? bro 30 damage splash is just +2-3 magic damage on your gear bud its like 100g a piece

[slate plank]

rogue = butt

[oblique sorrel]

Not sure if you understand how math works but 10 base does not all of a sudden become 30 with 2 additional damage. It becomes 12

[cobalt horizon]

they cannot help DDoses, sadly how technology is nowadays, a $1000 ddos tool can take down a $10,000 server, it is really hard to defend against strong tools

it isnt their fault and they cant just "take responsibility" for that issue

[ancient isle]

on all your gear idoit but makes sense you would assume that since its the highest you've ever gotten

[oblique sorrel]

Fireball splash also only has 50% scaling. Not 100%.

[ancient isle]

we must be shooting different fireballs because mine are doing 30 damage splash bud +2-3 mag dam isnt bis lmao its mid gear thats costs maybe 700-1k for the set not even any more with how cheap gear is + 2 magic damage book can be b ought for 50gold

[whole geode]

absolute bis like i said lol

[oblique sorrel]

Oh so you’re saying the way we need to kill a fighter is have a 1k set and then dump at least 4 fireballs into him so we can kill him assuming he doesn’t have more than 120 health at that point

[heavy pilot]

what is the luck cap

[ancient isle]

1k set vs 1k set or we losing to base gear fighters now 😭 my zaps hit for 50 + i think thats 3 hits to kill

[oblique sorrel]

4 fireballs of splash ain’t killing a 1k set fighter

[ancient isle]

mine do i think you using the wrong spell its the red one if you didn't know looks like a ball of fire

[merry wraith]

lol at the barbs that call you a p_ ssy when you kite them as a squishy class, sure next time ill just run into your axe bud

[oblique sorrel]

You said your fireball splash hits for 30. That’s 120 damage in 4 fireballs. Bro ain’t no way a 1k fighter has less than 120 health lol

[cobalt horizon]

+2 gloves - 150g
+3 boots - 150g
+3 paddeds - 200g
+3 oracle robe - 200g
+2 wiz hat - 150g
+3 pendant - 100g
+4 in rings - 350g
+3 blue book - 200g
+2 cape - 150g

1650 in gold right there and you only get +25, and with fireball scaling that is like 22 dmg splash?

[whole geode]

in what world do u just get to freely use 4 fireballs and splash onto a fighter without him being healed or cleric buffed

[ancient isle]

idk where you getting your prices from but you must be getting scamemd in the trade chat 😭 all that shit going for >100 post patch

[sacred dune]

u spend 1650 gold on ur gear and then a warlock full heal herself from 10 to 100 summon a hydra and spelling on it

[cobalt horizon]

that is what i pay for stuff when i sit there for 2 hours buying gear

also yes all that shit is going for greater than 100 post patch

[ancient isle]

its not tho lol idk who you buying your gear from its all like 100-150g except for maybe rings

[whole geode]

not bis gear ur talking about lol which is what u would need to come close to hitting a 30 splash fireball lol

[ancient isle]

no thats exactly what im talking about

[fiery walrus]

Sorry something blocked my msg and since im on phone it can’t be coppied and sent bcs CENSORED LMAO. I’m taking a screenshot and sending u a DM if u’re interested.

[vestal chasm]

how is 15 damage half a fighters hp? (he said earlier any decent wizard will aim for the ground to do splash damage)

[cobalt horizon]

yea sure send it up

[ancient isle]

right now i see someone selling 2 padded legging with + 3 magic damge for 150g thats 75g each lol purple spell book with + 1 all + 1 mag for 150 leather cap + 2 mag dam 85g@vestal chasm i wasn't talking about base gear vs base gear

[harsh hemlock]

how much does +2 tru mag dam and +3 additional mag dam spellbook go for?

[sacred dune]

im just quitting this shit, probably come up when they try to balanced things and not to break classes

[topaz seal]

this has turned into the most shit fucking game

[floral mica]

Game suggestion, crosshair customize option. The tiny little white is hard for people with Eye Conditions like myself

[whole geode]

so ur talking about a bis wizard vs a naked fighter?

[ancient isle]

mid gear - mid gear or bis vs bis or mid gear vs bis fighter its all the same

[vestal chasm]

kinda mute saying not counting base gear, you can build mr pretty well now, and any plus magic damage you get can be out done by str/plus hp on the fighter and percent bonus is a joke, whats 3% of 15? of even 30?

[ancient isle]

well sounds like fighter is a bigger problem than ranger why everyone complaining about ranger 😭 I get mr + pdr + 100 damage longbow/crossbow + shield + sword + 50% heal + speedboost

[oblique sorrel]

Fighter with a bow or cross bow is honestly more annoying than a ranger imo

[ancient isle]

rare non delusional bandwagon take from the dark and darker discord

[cobalt horizon]

because ranger has stuff like spear, bow perks, biscuit, shit that makes it really good, just as good as fighter

[ancient isle]

biscuit is only good in gc no one uses spear once you get past mid gear and are not just playing against greys, why take a spear to just lose melee 1v1 to barb/fighter i'd rather have pdr/mr/melee/shield than bow perks

[whole geode]

i think u should be able to destroy ranger traps with fireball

[unkempt charm]

Is the cave troll even worth killing?

[cobalt horizon]

biscuit is good in other scenarios, i take it when i do HR bossing on ranger because cleric is not always there, especially when faced with stack glitches on ghost king for example

spear is an insane melee weapon, if you space yourself correctly you can literally hit over your teammates shoulder mid fight and do insane damage

[vivid pendant]

servers taking a shit rn or something? lol

[vestal chasm]

they both strong af, ranger is virtually just a range dps version of a fighter, yes a bow is stronger on a ranger, which it should be but bow is over tuned. biscuit is strong in any map, and you take the spear to finish off the guy charging you, cuz you just did 70% of his hp with 2 arrows

[whole geode]

how much are the gold coin chests going for

[ancient isle]

biscuit vs penetrating shot to kill pdr or multishot for insta reload or the fast firing perk to make longbow rapid fire, you're better off keeping your distance and using the bow unless you dont trust your aim, you cant nerf ranger unless you nerf damage overall in the game, but then barb/fighter stat checks everyone, then game cant be gear based, than we have mordhau battle royale

[leaden dragon]

420g

[ancient isle]

bow is stronger on ranger however the benefits you get from plate armor and being able to melee with shield are definitely > rangers perks

[warm rune]

Dude you been in here for like 4 hours take a break.

[vestal chasm]

if your just comparing fighter and ranger sure, ranger can easily nuke down a wizard, bard, warlock or a cleric, do massive damage to barbarian, fighter with their pdr is literally the only class you can compare them to to make them not seem op which is prob why its the only thing youve been compareing them to

[barren anvil]

Guys do levels not reset after a wipe???

[inland birch]

seems like rangers innately destroys 6 of 8 classes in this game, im sure the devs are looking into it...

[hardy juniper]

do you guys think they will do something to combat smurfing? (specifically being able to drop trading post items to level 1 players)

[brave pond]

no they really dont, any range class is more of a skill match up, but its ultimately decided by the room/area the fight happens in. ranger in the right area is pretty unstoppable

[cobalt horizon]

nah, tarkov implemented this and it is very annoying, odds are low they do something ab it, a bigger problem is people making new chars and smurfing in <15 lobbies

[hardy juniper]

well they are smurfing with gear obtained by 15+ people

[cobalt horizon]

yes but these instances are niche, there is an abundance of players stomping <15 lobbies, not many people are obtaining gear by 15+ people, the cases are so far and afew that it doesnt make sense to implement a fix

[inland birch]

it used to be like that, before rangers with longbows were able to one shot rogues and wizards and two/three tap everybody else whithout shields (body shots not head shots).

[hardy juniper]

I mean, I agree there isn't a majority of players doing it. But the few who do hardly ever die and are going to win about 99% of fights. That's why I think it shouldn't be doable

[cobalt horizon]

it is what it is, there are going to be cheaters which win about 99% of fights as well, but they are very rare so it is better to focus on bigger issues

[hardy juniper]

they already focus on cheaters though? It's clear to me that they don't want people cheating/exploiting their game. IMO bringing gear from the trading post into a sub 15 lobby is an exploit cause it's not intended

[cunning summit]

this patch actually ruined the game for ppl wearing no-mid level gear. every single game i've played tonight i've died to competely kitted teams just rushing us at some point. hope it changes soon

[tender wedge]

it won't 🙂 kr devs implementing kr mmo gameplay

[cobalt horizon]

if it wasnt intended and if it was a big issue, there would be a patch implemented already

[inland birch]

sorry to tell you my dear hidden ranger main/unreflected fighter main, but the reality is, hitting 3 body shots even when cornered with the new quick shot or the forceful shot does not necessitate a great amount of skill or positioning

[jaunty spear]

Only getting killed by rangers across the map. What is the point of this game rn, pls explain. What's the point of 10 close combat characters if you just get tapped by a longbow every single game

[hardy juniper]

lol ok good luck with that

[cobalt horizon]

wdym?

[hardy juniper]

your position is that the devs intentionally want players to bring stacked gear into sub 15 lobbies. I'm telling you good luck with that take, cause it's a shitty take

[cunning summit]

maybe it's a duos problem of not having HR, but wasn't happening before the new patch :/

[knotty kernel]

just rat it out, you can get a 50% extract if you just play like a rat and run from anyone that looks like they have more than greys.

[tender wedge]

people don't play HR anyway

[cobalt horizon]

ig you are interpreting my take wrong, i said wasnt intended and a big issue and that is not a big issue at all

also you can go back to playing, ik you got stomped by some geared dude in <15 lobbies, but just move on. the loot you had was probably shit anyways because well, you are <15

[cunning summit]

yeah we could, but just lame to not really get to play the game fully unless ur goated up on loot

[knotty kernel]

why do you think you can and should be able to kill people that are way more overgeared than you when you have nothing.

[hardy juniper]

"ik you got stomped by some geared dude in <15 lobbies, but just move on. the loot you had was probably shit anyways because well, you are <15"

Yeah, that's not accurate. But people always make false assumptions about me when I call their takes shitty so I'm used to it

[surreal notch]

Any trading discords?

[cobalt horizon]

i mean im gonna make some insulting assumption if you are gonna call my take shitty for no reason, just because we have a disagreement doesnt mean you need to resort to insulting my argument

@surreal notch ill dm you

[tender wedge]

the glorious schadenfreude you get for absolutely ABUSING a fresh level 15 on their first 15+ lobby is fantastic

[cunning summit]

i don't think you really should unless you have a big advantage, what I was saying is just more that people are literally raid bosses right now with no fear of dying at all so they more freely just slam duo normals with legendary gear for whatever reason making the average joe just get boned every time

[tender wedge]

if your econ gets ruined at level 15 you're honestly better off making a fresh character

[jaunty spear]

Im done, ranger needs a nerf.

• Fuck cookies and give them a campfire
• Remove triple shot completly, quick fire will be insane enough
• give them less arrows, and make them only findable in game so they cant just spam and force them to use real combat
• Remove the slow when hit, so they have to use the actual perk that does that

Please

[cobalt horizon]

agreed

[analog spire]

this is why people have been screaming that gear should matter but not be as wildly important as this. delete your character? tf

[cunning summit]

that way youre put in the under lvl 15 bracket to gear back up

[dark mirage]

games horrible now many streamers say that too except fucking mendo because hes power tripped

[cobalt horizon]

lol bro ik youre just pissed because you saw the dm, calm down bro

[tender wedge]

the korean game dev can't comprehend gear that isn't wildly overpowered. Gear > skill is the core leitmotif of korean video games, it's comparable to the chinese '$$$ > Skill'

[dark mirage]

take it to my dms then you must be dumb

[analog spire]

yeah i can see that, having played a few freemium korea games. the game blew up in a series of playtests where gear was rare due to ignorance. everyone was clashing in default and greens. idk how ironmace doesnt get this

[tender wedge]

their mission statement on the website is the biggest load of BS and people ate it up

[knotty kernel]

Gear didn't matter with the thursday patch, it ruined the progression of the game and made everything feel samey that is why they reversed it.

[tender wedge]

wrong

[analog spire]

if youre talking about the patch that came with the wipe, (i dont remember what day) we had what? 36 hours to see if your post is true? you cant know that the stat spreads would have been substantial enough because IM kneejerked

[pine aurora]

Thursday turned out to be very far from the original vision than we anticipated. We felt that right away, the ttk was very high and fights dragged out for much longer than wanted. Loot became very flat and the crave to farm higher tier items was lowered significantly.

[nova yarrow]

What's the Firefly's Abdomen and what's it do?

[gusty kindle]

ppl were saying rogue was shit rn and i didnt believe them. omg, hes so weak :(, hits like a 4year old child, no dmg at all

[pine aurora]

6 hit kills are DRAGGING. We don't do dragging here. Only 2shot fiesta

[analog spire]

nah, slow TTK in this game is excellent. if you want to play a zoomer FPS, they exist. IM already said they want a slower game. they just suck at figuring out how to get there

[tender wedge]

more likely that they "want" a slower game but they want the zoomy twitchstreamer bucks even more

[analog spire]

yeah, thats what im starting to realize too. i dont think their original vision matters when compared to chasing the streamer simp cash dragon

[tender wedge]

really I think it depends on which direction they head with the next patch
if they tone down the value of gear or the strength of gear, maybe you can take them seriously. If they don't do anything about it though? they're definitely cuckolding us for the stream money

[knotty kernel]

It has nothing to do with stat spreads. It was the phenomenological experience of the loot not being enticing that caused them to switch.

[tender wedge]

look at hegel over here

[naive isle]

A little off topic, but I wish francisca throwing axes were cheaper at the woodsman merchant. They combine well with achilles strike which slows an opponent for 2 secs, enough for me to charge in as barbarian towards rangers who otherwise are way faster than me backwards!. Rangers only pay 1 coin per arrow! I pay 13 coin per throwing axe. Does this seem logical or balanced?

[tender wedge]

teleologically the loot not being enticing is a player problem, not a game problem

they are going to hardcore nerf the acquisition of loot before release anyway, will players again cry about this? Should I cry every time a box only has one pair of grey slippers in it?

[mystic yarrow]

For some reason I have an FPS counter in my game now, no fraps, geforce, steam nothing, yet it still exists

[analog spire]

there's also the fact that IM is spending a lot of time yo-yo'ing back and forth on gear stat balance, instead of holding to their original game's design and adding more stuff to loot. then they make it worse by introducing the bard which turned the game into CoD on cocaine and keep straying further into hyper zoom zoom since

[tender wedge]

just wait for the rick and morty themed portal skins

[mystic yarrow]

can find a ton of these on death skulls

[earnest current]

When I opened the door and met a Bar, I hit it 2 times, then the Bar buffed it 2 times, so I got another hit, then jumped back and observed the angle of the hammer. It was almost impossible to hit the head or body, so it was definitely only There is a leg hit due to the hitbox, but it's impossible to die from a leg hit when you're fully equipped and have more than 100 health , Hacker 1 hit still wtf in this game

[naive isle]

good point jordan thankyou

[analog spire]

like how do you spend time writing anything about wanting to slow the game down and in the very next breath add +8 mv speed lanterns for slayer warriors to race around the map with. make any of it make sense

[knotty kernel]

I am unsure what the argument you are making referencing the "original game" design. All the playtests had +5 weapon damage +3 all, on gear. It wasn't until EA that they lowered it. What you see right now is the original vision for this game. It is supposed to be a full loot MMO, just with first person battleroyal combat.

[tender wedge]

After rick and morty skins, they'll probably add some dumb shit like 5 man raids, base building, a PvE only mode etc

I can't believe they actually added mining to the game, they'll probably add mushroom foraging when druid arrives

[naive isle]

I liked the latern move speed buff. but thats just opinion. I have no clue when it comes to game design. just like to play. roll with the punches. it used to help me rat solo in dungeon

[unborn hamlet]

Red name best name

[naive isle]

I hope everything about druid counters bard so the game becomes a 11 finger game of rock paper scissors

[unborn hamlet]

Gobbo cave LR is already PvE only mode

[tender wedge]

this is honestly the best outcome

[knotty kernel]

yeah essentially, honestly it is just free money. I feel they did it just to give timmys a way to get gear honestly.

[tender wedge]

this game literally only has 2 game modes, give timmy gear, let timmy steamroll with his accumulated gear

[naive isle]

I hope druid can fly and call in fairys and artrinochs and sprigons and tree root come up out the ground and grab you and hold you

[hardy juniper]

yeah I'm a bit sad they removed torch/lantern speed. I thought it was a fair trade off. expose your exact location in exchange for speed

[naive isle]

druid gets blue celtic paint perk that offers protection

[worn hull]

game sucks right now
wait for next patch
actually just no drive to play it
loot is free so game is pointless
not rewarding to get stuff
just run around and ape full kit in normals
bossing is pointless
dump and dumper

[unborn hamlet]

I think so too, which I guess is fine

[sweet jay]

bro came in cooking 🧑‍🍳 🧑‍🍳 🧑‍🍳

[naive isle]

I'm excited for growth too! Can't wait to see the next idea come to fruition and evolve. And I get to try it early access? Cant get any better

[unborn hamlet]

Lanterns can roll stats now it’s even better than before

[subtle heart]

In reality people didnt use torches until they were ready to fight and run you down

[sacred turtle]

wheres the free loot? please send tutorial

[analog spire]

same with lanterns unless you ran DW/slayer

[worn hull]

open shop, buy +2 all for 60g??????

[unborn hamlet]

Exactly. Dumb to have no trade off for vision, extremely dumb to have a benefit and vision

[harsh ferry]

Game definitely doesn’t suck right now, people should be able to get the experience of running good gear from time to time without playing 10+ hours a day

[naive isle]

lol i have to pay half that for 2 throwing axes

[queen bone]

I wonder where the balance is in this game? Because Rogue has to buy all the skills to (sit in hiding, use a crossbow, have normal damage) and, for example, Archer has everything on a plate. This is starting to be a bit of an exaggeration.

[tender wedge]

I mean it kinda sucks right now, he has a point. Guaranteed purples on every map + everybody has giga shop gear means it's basically more like team death match than an extraction shooter

[unborn hamlet]

Personally I think easy access to gear kinda kills the entire appeal of loot extractor games. The excitement and thrill of risking something valuable when going into a raid.

[worn hull]

exactly. and +1/2 all just mean everyone runs around with their full kits at 310 move speed (other than plate)

[winter cosmos]

yet somehow normal gob caves has at least 60% naked starter gear runners hmmm....

[subtle heart]

Pretty sure you can't get +all full kit because it is linked to certain pieces of gear so you cant have a kit full of +all

[sweet jay]

Accessing whatever gear you want like your at a mall after 1 extraction doesn’t make any sense whatsoever for a DnD based game.

[tender wedge]

if you get unlucky and get merked at level 15 and lose control of your econ you are on a dead character and basically need to make a new one or play nothing but gob caves until you can catch up

[harsh ferry]

I totally see your point. I think once quests get added your shop should consistently gain access to gear like we have right now. Do a few quests for said merchant and they will begin to sell higher quality loot

[winter cosmos]

your comment literally explains why gear should be easier to get

[tender wedge]

look deeper
you have to get gear to catch up BECAUSE everybody else has such egregious kit
If they removed all of the absolutely stupid stats like +all, +damage etc then gear wouldn't be so important

[naive isle]

^ yep

[winter cosmos]

and yet you still get so many nakeds in lobbies ....

[sacred turtle]

thats the whole point of loot

[tender wedge]

loot can be strong without breaking the game

[livid mountain]

because in GC you can ambush people whilst PVEing and generally it's harder to heal, you don't see nearly as many in the other maps

[worn hull]

+2 all on chest, shirt, pendant and 2 handed weapons, +1 all on everything else
so in total
2 weapon
1 head
2 pendant
2 chest
1 gloves
1 cape
2 pants
1 boots
1 ring
1 ring

+14 all

if you ignore pendant, rings, and cape because they are more expensive, u can buy the rest for +9 all for like 400 gold from the shops, and it's REALLY easy to do so if you have like 7 characters leveled and trade it over

loot is worthless

[quaint plover]

@zinc sparrow Need a hotfix on Spear of Rot. Rangers can not equip it.

[naive isle]

Nakeds forced to flee because op opponents. they rat to get loot to save up to be one of the op opponents just like real life. and they invest in market to do it

[tender wedge]

why don't we just replace combat with a gear check, and whoever has higher gear score wins the fight automatically?
after all, that's what gear is for: winning fights

[harsh ferry]

Let’s be honest I would rather have everyone be able to have access to decent gear then have the people who play all day just consistently roll lobbies. This patch really helps people feel like they can compete and I like that

[winter cosmos]

atm its not really gear its the learning curve and character balance thats out of whack i still think they need random 3/6/9 player/team lobbies this will creat 3/6 to suit newbs and 6/9 lobbies to cater for pvpers ... also the gob caves HR map in normals has too many pve tbh also needs more class balance

[worn hull]

I would rather most people have bad gear, evening the playing field that way. You just have to discourage high kit players from rolling normals for fun
everyone in good gear makes the PVE aspect irrelevant

[tidal plover]

All that work for a naked longbow to snatch that coin bag off you

[naive isle]

well get sneaky

[tender wedge]

this is the #1 issue, pushing people with good gear into high roller should be a priority

[worn hull]

ban anthing higher than greens in low roller xd

[harsh ferry]

Atm there is no reason to run high roller

[sweet jay]

@worn hull Yea exactly the abusing the system of having extra level characters with different shops along with mules to carry gear also kills any type of casual players chance

[tender wedge]

they should make candy only drop in HR

[naive isle]

but then candy only comes and beats up noobs in the free one

[worn hull]

BESIDES THEM MAKING THE SHOPS OP...
they also added the ability to SEE THE ROLLS OF CRAFTED GEAR meaning u just wait for perfect stats
AND they added the same crap for candy shop

LOOT IS MEANINGLESS

[tender wedge]

very true, they should also scale gear down to like, green and a half if you bring them into normals
remove bosses from normal lobbies

[sweet jay]

Roblox level of game balance

[quaint plover]

This is the best patch yet. I havent had this much fun since starting the game. I really don't understand the hate.

[naive isle]

what about. noob lobbys no higher than pristine grey. intermediate for green and blue gears or less, and elite for purple or less gear, to make the game more about skill and less about gear?

[worn hull]

The game feels like a deathmatch not a difficult dungeon experience where you encounter and fight other teams if it happens. It's fast paced like COD

[vivid pendant]

why haven't you guys requested access to greed is good's playtest??

[echo plover]

Dark and darker discord is like watching special ed kids circlejerk, truly amazing

[tidal plover]

HR is a joke you pay gold to get harder mobs with the same loot drops

[sweet jay]

@quaint plover Good for people that like a fake hardcore feeling. It feels like i’m on an unofficial server that is cranked up on loot rates.

[tender wedge]

this is the most adequate way of putting it

[quaint plover]

I only can play on the weekends, so maybe thats why it feels so fun.

[tender wedge]

the game also desperately needs another ruins map

[harsh ferry]

Personally I don’t want this game to be like tarkov where you have to put in a shift every day to be competitive. It’s definitely not “hardcore” but it still feels bad to die with your loot and forces people to learn and play smart which I think is their goal.

[worn hull]

yeah but I don't have a drive to play and try to get good loot though, because it's handed out on a platter. I feel like I'm queueing for League of Legends to go int with my friends

[tender wedge]

I know what you mean but at the moment you only get 2 or 3 tries before your level 15 character is out of capital and you have to either make a new character or divert your entire playstyle into ratting for loot

[naive isle]

Ratting is fun lol

[sweet jay]

Stash space would solve putting in shifts for the game. I actually do think they should remove trade altogether and nerf vendors

[worn hull]

One of the biggest issues is that players with good loot are SO MUCH faster than players with mid/low tier loot. No chance for the worse loot to win when you just get stepped on. I think balancing loot diff comes a lot from that and I'd like to see them change it.

[harsh ferry]

I agree. The trade post is the worst thing about this game and it’s why people feel like gear is so easy to come by right now. Everyone buys off the traders and flips their items for gold which in turn lets them kit up all they want

[tender wedge]

they should honestly just remove 99% of the vendors and trading entirely

[worn hull]

rotate 6 accounts buying every +2 all green or +2 magic healing. Sell for 150g to trade. Repeat

[harsh ferry]

Vendors aren’t the issue though it’s the fact that you can sell the vendor items on the trade post

[sweet jay]

I don’t hate the vendors giving you items. Just buff the amount of gold required to buy said items but you shouldn’t be vendor watching either. I don’t know how they would go about balancing it without another complete overhaul

[worn hull]

Vendors should sell everything in gray or white, change my mind

[static vigil]

can gold chest drop from mystical gem room hoard>

[naive isle]

Can venders be coded to reflect recent player asking prices?

[tender wedge]

give players 1 extra stash square every time they extract from HR, and take one square away every time they extract a normal

[harsh ferry]

Personally I think this vendor update really helped the game. Remove the trade post so people can’t just buy full BIS load out and I guarantee the game would feel better.

[cosmic furnace]

THEY NEED TO REVERT ALL THESE STUPID CHANGES GOD ROLLS GOING FOR 100 GOLD SHIT IS SO EASY TO OBTAIN ITS BEEN 3 DAYS AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING 2 SHOT BY WEAPONM DAMAGE AND ALL ATTS

[naive isle]

Yes! Wizard!

[south otter]

Gear is easy to get = less gear diff. Just l2p

[worn hull]

Gear is hard to get = less gear diff as well, because everyone has low gear. The hardcore players just need other incentive to go high roller instead of norms

[harsh ferry]

Honestly they should just remove +all att from the game too and the vendors would be fine lmao

[tender wedge]

low ttk means lower expression of skill too

[cosmic furnace]

EVERYONE HAS GREENS WITH +3 ALL ATS THEY BOUGHT DIRT CHEAP

[south otter]

Sound logic, except not every class is good at grey gear.... This way everyone is strong.

@cosmic furnace Don't spread misinformation... +all is capped at +2

[naive sun]

they need to put bard back to how it was not even worth playing if, I cant play more than 3 songs shouldn't need spell memory for that class.

[cosmic furnace]

OH MY BY 1 POINT

[worn hull]

just buy 2 piece of +2 all for 120g and it's fine

[south otter]

+2 max and rebalance of items. Overall dmg is down more than it was during playtests... It's fine.

[sweet jay]

The main issues are the casuals log in expecting to be able to pvp on a fair playing ground with a starter kit then just end up getting stat checked over and over. It’s a negative feed loop causing loads of complaints. The average player isn’t gonna want sit and trade all day for a gaming experience when they could just hop on OW, Cod, or fortnite instead with a more rewarding feedback

[worn hull]

60g = +2 all

^^ This is the new copypasta for this patch. Time to spread the word

[tender wedge]

stat check being in what should be a skill-based extraction game is pretty cooked to begin with

[cosmic furnace]

DAWG I BOUGHT A WHOLE KIT WITH 20 EXTRA WEAPON DAMAGE FOR 400 GOLD

[burnt osprey]

yo do yall know why when I purchase the game it keeps getting refunded instantly

[quaint lodge]

lemme see the reciept

[cosmic furnace]

LITERALLY RAN AROUND 2 SHOTTING PEOPLE THE BURST DAMEG IS INSANE RN NO COUNTER PLAY ITS JUST WHO SEE WHO FIRST AND HEALS ARE STILL ASS UNLESS YOU HAVE CLERIC YOU LOSE

[worn hull]

60g = +2 all

[sweet jay]

This. Exactly why people seemed to agree Thursdays TTK felt better then getting stat checked. They rushed in to much gear with the hotfix. Also vendors are still overtuned. People are in straight BIS blue kits within 1-2 hours of a wipe using vendors

[tender wedge]

shame the devs are radio silence since the "fix"

[naive isle]

Theyre picking apples.

[naive sun]

might have to give that a try thanks for the tip but you can see where I'm coming from was bad enough with the heal having to rest made it pointless in my opinion but i got use to it

[errant vector]

Yeah it's pretty annoying

[golden pasture]

NERF RANGERS WHATS THE POINT OF THIS CLASS JUST RAT ONLY NOOBS WTF

[vivid pendant]

graysun was in general chat yesterday talking trash to people his best response to someone was "i probably play more than you"

[worn hull]

60g = +2 all

Screw the nerds that want to play this like COD. Make the dungeon harder, make the loot more rare, make high roller necessary to get good stuff.

[sweet jay]

There is way too many consumers that enjoy the stat checking feeling then the actual critical thinking of a fight. Kinda boring that’s the way most the community feels toward the game and definitely drives out a player base expecting a fair playing field for all

[vivid pendant]

yeap, a lot of people think min/maxing = skill
but at the same time, who are we to tell them how to have their fun

[errant vector]

Idk I've only seen a few who actually like the hot fix most people hate it

[worn hull]

If we don't allow the 40 agility super kits to run at people weapons drawn at 350ms then maybe skill expression from lower kit players could be a thing xd, but what do i know

[naive isle]

Yes, make the dungeon harder with matching loot. make the hr worth it. make the vendors reflect player trade prices. put pricing caps. Make only grey and green gear drops in the freeby and you cant get in if youre wearing blue or purple; you have to go to hr

[sweet jay]

@vivid pendant I’m starting to think the devs also enjoy the game that way with the most recent comments aswell. @errant vector Agreed

[harsh ferry]

The issue is some green gear is way better than blue gear. It’s all roll dependent

[worn hull]

so remove +1/2 all, makes it a lot harder for green to just be way better

60g = +2 all

[whole geode]

imagine hoping between 7 chars checking every shop on refresh lmfao

[harsh ferry]

I completely agree the vendors and all the issues we are talking about wouldn’t happen if +all att wasn’t In the game

[glass silo]

yeah iron mace lets not have some sort of gear matchmaking so geared players can get int'd by 4 naked rogues!

[vivid pendant]

imagine the outcry if they only allowed us to have 2-3 characters max

[worn hull]

60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all

[sweet jay]

I hope they just get through this “Limit Test” they have created and do something with the glaring issues.

[naive isle]

I share the sentiment, i enjoy the game very much.

[stray pivot]

Has Ironmace even admitted they fucked up yet?

[tulip shell]

there needs to be a stat page at the end of games

[worn hull]

60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all

[tender wedge]

they would never EVER even consider that

[sweet jay]

@stray pivot They’ve addressed it but is it worthy of being held accountable is another question

[vivid pendant]

can't be a fuck up if majority of the people who actually like it are usually logged in playing... o_O
forgot to check player list for #'s before

[worn hull]

If I spend 7 hours playing the game to stat check someone, I should, BUT that should happen on their terms not mine. They shouldn't run into me in a normal game, and this is the issue ironmace needs to fix. Make gear rewarding, but don't make the rewarding part stat checking timmies in greens.

Almost forgot:
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all
60g = +2 all

[stray pivot]

When did they address it?

[sweet jay]

Graysun spoke in general earlier today saying they were working on changing loot again

[harsh ferry]

I think a majority of people are happier with the current state of the game than vendors selling shit tier items and forcing everyone to spend more time in the trade post than in game

[tender wedge]

graysun gonna introduce +3 and +4 all

[stray pivot]

Nice, lemmie go check that out. Ty.

[main raven]

Can they wipe it again lol

[sweet jay]

@main raven At this point no. They have to ride it out

[main raven]

We're just gonna have a repeat of Wipe #1 where people have broken as shit items for the entire wipe, huh

[sweet jay]

It is just one big limit test which this game needs more then ever since they seem to have numbers wrong still.

[vivid pendant]

need to see the level up system already

[subtle heart]

the clerics need more base interaction speed couldnt even open the door before the ghost king could get to me

[floral sluice]

I think we should expect a wipe every month.

[main raven]

We should get a wipe every two weeks with how fast the gameplay loop keeps changing drastically.

[stray pivot]

Rust wipe schedule inc...

[weak jay]

Add a friends list, add a prestige option for level 20 to not be completely useless, add a season pass for armor cosmetics, emotes and weapon skins. Add in both free to play tournaments and pay to play. Add a synthesizer option to enhance gear from green to blue etc. add a necromancer class, introduce the ability to rotate items in inventory and stash. Open up a bigger dungeon with more people 3x25 groups would be insane. Add a normal dungeon leaderboard for fun. Allow players to request whisper to one another in lobby not just trade. Add a coop campain mode and add a story line that would be epic as a DLC take my money now. Add a reporting system to report players….Some suggestions that come one to mind.

[stray pivot]

All of that is great except the normal leaderboards.

[subtle heart]

how do you get the money bag?

[weak jay]

Also Add a dueling arena ***

[worn hull]

Remove trade post and make loot hard to get. Makes it rewarding

[winter cosmos]

buy or craft it

[vivid pendant]

dev team too small 😦

[main raven]

Craft it with a Troll Pelt and four Wolf Pelts. In other words, you're never getting it

[worn hull]

Or when they super screw loot (like +3 all last patch sticking around for a week after they removed it) they could just wipe sooner.

[main raven]

+3 All stuck around for a lot more than a week

[worn hull]

Write script to change +3 all in inventory to +1 all on first login of character after patch. Nah!!

[sudden aspen]

Okay what’s the solution then?

[main raven]

Trading being HR only would be a good fix

+2 All not existing is also a good fix

[pearl hornet]

the real question is: how often do you see geared people that actually kill you in GC? There are other bigger issues - like the warlock broken hydra+CoP that refills the full health in 2 seconds

[worn hull]

Prevent super kitted players from going into low roller by offering no rewards. Make high roller loot rewarding.
Low roller is for building up to high roller.

[weak jay]

I hear ya, either way we will speak it into existance lol would be amazing to have a dueling arena with a spectate option for the more casual players who prefer to watch and they can set up a betting system in game where a percent goes to the winner and to the betters. So many insane ideas that they can bring forward i only listed a few

[grizzled creek]

I think #suggestion-discussion had a pretty good post about all this

[sudden aspen]

You’re saying very general things tho. How exactly can this issue be fixed? @worn hull

[main raven]

I remember seeing one suggestion about having to pay an ante to NOT play High Roller at higher levels, which I quite like

[worn hull]

Change the loot tables so that if you want to get purples/blues you need to go into high roller. The game has been like this before

[subtle heart]

Gear lock normals to only allow grey-greens to enter fuck the chads if they have skill they'll still slay in greens

[grizzled creek]

Tbh remove +all +magic/phys damage and lock stuff like purples/legendary to hr

[main raven]

inb4 chads run green kits with +2 all on every piece

[worn hull]

Gear lock seems like a last resort, but I'm not opposed. (remove +2/1 all)

[grizzled creek]

+all is a ridiculously broken stat and shouldnt have been added to begin with, its mind boggling that the devs thought it was a good idea to add it

[stray pivot]

normally BRs have some kind of MMR, survival games like Tarkov, dont, its just a timer and set extracts. This game mixes both genres and needs to find some sort of middle ground. Traditionally, games like a BR or survival games have ways for the newer/unngeared player to win a fight, this game doesnt allow for that because of how the stats scale. In Rust, u can use a compound bow or an eoka, cheap cheap, but situational. The patch on wipe was great for that, really felt like Dungeons and Dragons.

[main raven]

Whoever thought +Weapon Damage was fine needs to be shot

[worn hull]

+10 weapon damage is necessary in the game to have fun guys, just realize it

[grizzled creek]

True lol, the +damage shit is just insane

[stray pivot]

except its not, cos right now u need +50, and u cann get a possible +125 or more.

[main raven]

+Weapon is especially egregious because the damage is ALSO increased by your Physical Power Bonus, so Barbarians can hit ludicrous damage

[worn hull]

at least they made it not multiple on headshots 🥴 that sure did a lot!!!
which also means it does more on arms/feet btw

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Damage_Calculation
@main raven they moved lcoation bonus earlier in the formula

[sweet jay]

May aswell of just coded Crit chance into the game over the raw weapon damage if that’s what they envisioned

[main raven]

+Weapon and +Additional Physical DOES do more damage on headshots lol, unless something changed that I'm not aware of

[sweet jay]

Atleast then getting 2 shot is a chance of happening and not guaranteed of happening

[worn hull]

Just outrun the 350 ms with a felling axe barbarian, i swear it's fair
you should have let that hasted and invis guy from getting close!!!

@main raven it's the best weapon for dealing with other melee front lines (maybe warmaul i guess in an open room)

[main raven]

Felling Axe is so awful though. Anything else is better

Except the battleaxe that thing sucks lol

[sweet jay]

Felling axe is bad until you get bugged in a corner or PvE is influencing the fight inducing more rage after the 1 tap you take

[main raven]

I'd take a Double Axe or Bardiche easily. I can't stand the zero range that thing has

[sudden aspen]

Yes but what about when people come into normals with blue / purples and everyone else is unable to get them?

[worn hull]

If you're fighting barb vs barb, felling axe wins everytime, that attack speed if you hit is nuts

@sudden aspen They could loot lock normals to greens and below. They could add a system to pair similarly geared players

[sweet jay]

Warmaul/Viking sword i believe is what most Barbs run right now

[main raven]

Key words being "if you hit". That's a lot harder when I can outrange said Felling user considerably with a Bardiche

Bardiche can also block, and I love melee weapons that have a block ability

[worn hull]

yeah u will get zoned, gotta have a speed boost on anything with barb tbh, class is absolute dog shit if it's slow

[sudden aspen]

This would absolutely deincentivize ALL non high roller leaderboard grinders to just play normals and never play HR. The point in getting good gear is to have an advantage against other players and if you’re never able to have an advantage against other players then there’s no point in playing that.

[main raven]

There's a difference between an advantage and a curbstomp, though. The current gear easily puts you in curbstomp territory

[worn hull]

I agree. I want to stat stick guys if I spend 8 hours grinding.

[sudden aspen]

Okay, my point still stands tho. Your suggestion ONLY benefits the noobs, there is no compromise

[errant vector]

Ok but good gear is 100% rng I'd rather my fights come down to skill check then stat check

[jovial phoenix]

for warlock, spellbook or staff?

[sudden aspen]

Welp then you should probably play something like CSGO, this game isn’t and never will be a skill set game. Of course in the higher levels it is but for the average players it’s not. That’s how it is for ALL games that have low TTK.

[worn hull]

It's a tough problem to solve for sure. Any type of high roller mode will always draw a tougher lobby, but you sign up knowing that. and there is no point to good gear if everyone has it in your lobby too

[dull shale]

so in your mind the only point of gear is to shit on fresh kits? lmao

[sudden aspen]

Check out my suggestion in #suggestion-discussion , this would solve the current problem and make it enjoyable for all players not just the noobs IMO.

[worn hull]

No, gear has to be rewarding somehow.

[cosmic nimbus]

where do i get the roles where it says what chara i play?

[errant vector]

Ok if you want the game to be dead in a year keep statcheck in and people will eventually move on to csgo instead of hopping on to get Pub stomped

[sweet jay]

@sudden aspen Every time I see you comment it’s most watered down that guy must be a noob, me become strong shit posts ever. You really aren’t taking into any consideration of the criticism’s fellow players have about the game whatsoever.

[dull shale]

It is, it makes you stronger. You said there is no point to gear if you have to fight other people who have gear.

[main raven]

The devs thenselves disagree with this statement

[errant vector]

I really hope your right nearly everyone loved Thursday's update

[sudden aspen]

Lol I haven’t said anything about noobs, I’m simply referring to the disregard for higher level players and their positions in how patches can be applied

[sweet jay]

.

[worn hull]

Naked only mode just means you have to grind before going out bro, changes nothing and is basically the same as my normal lobby is green and below mode
@sudden aspen

[empty thicket]

is gonna be dnd on a launcher like steam or epic?

[sweet jay]

It already is @empty thicket No idea if it’s coming to steam

[worn hull]

They are dealing with the lawsuit before trying steam again. They wanted steam originally but they gotta deal with legal issues

@sudden aspen yeah but it doesn't fix anything other than timmies learning ground. game as a whole still the same as now

[sudden aspen]

I can’t remember the last time I had a green and below lobby. Please keep in mind if you’re playing in under 15s or above, from my experience, every single lobby has a minimum of 2 geared teams which is on the lowwww end. With these new changes, it’s making it difficult for the timmies to grind gold because good players who make 15< characters are obliterating these lobbies and get sooo kitted.

I feel that the solution I offered gives a space for the timmies to learn but also a place where the more experienced players can also take a break from the seemingly high roller normal lobbies.

[empty thicket]

is it on epic?

[sweet jay]

No they have their own client to play the game. It’s not on steam or epic @empty thicket

[worn hull]

it's on something claled chaf games and their own client, just use theirs for now

[empty thicket]

ye i know that but i think it would be better if its like on steam or epic becous it wount be that fishy maybe its only me but i will wait until its on some known launcher

[uneven ermine]

did they go back to old GC?

[sweet jay]

@empty thicket Yea might be a while if they ever make a return back to steam

[subtle heart]

wbro is in copper

[near canyon]

anyone knows whether savage roar does -25% physical power FLAT or 25% of whatever their power is?

[vestal chasm]

you can not get +125 or more weapon damage

[empty thicket]

i will wait until the court will end

[vestal chasm]

bro they was talking about+weapon damage not what they was hitting oh you removed your post

[stray sage]

how do i get out of the goblin caves tomb room? like the bottom full of traps and skeletons

[subtle heart]

Starter gear only queue ? currently it feels like the only fun way to play is to delete a character and play in 1-14 lobbies of course you still run into those who buy and drop gear for their low level party members but it brings me back to the core of the game that brought me to it in the first place how fun the pvp was. Currently in 15+ lobbies im running into full blues / purps maybe even leggos every dungeon and it makes it rather hard to enjoy the game when i just want to get in and have some fun pvp fights without getting 1-2 shot by a juiced out party when im rocking starter gear / greys. I dont really have an issue with seeing those super geared parties because it creates a very small chance to truly go zero to hero but when its every single raid just getting rolled in greys trying to have a good time or having to stright up retreat from a fight knowing theres no mathmatical way to win said fight it just kinda kills the fun of it after awhile. Personally i enjoy the game for the pvp and how dynamic the battles can be and how one choice or movement could turn the tides of war in your favor however now the pvp just feels rather dull and rushed because its two mack trucks slapping each other and then boom done fight over hardly any dodging or back and forth to create a sense of a actual duel or battle its just a two slap fight now. That being said I cant be asked to go farm / mine gold for hours just to buy a 1-3 k set just to be on somewhat even grounds as these uber juiced teams that took advantage of the vendors selling crazy stated items day 1 and 2 of wipe just to enjoy some pvp that doesnt end in two swings. Thoughts ?

[near relic]

a

[wanton otter]

no

mebbe if there's a prison map in the future that requires a neutral start

[timber eagle]

when does the gear lock for lobbies under 15 come out

[worthy cradle]

Question: How is +all & +weapon damage being the only stats that really matter NOT the most boring version of gear?

[subtle heart]

its already out just make a new character thats the only way to stay in them atm

[ionic mirage]

How much more do you people want lmfao

[steady valve]

I mean me and my buddies played 1-14 lobbies today and we started naked and ended with full blue/purple gear just bc we farmed hell and didn’t die much. It’s def not that difficult to gear up from scratch in those lobbies. You just need to know when to engage and when to run. Rat it up until your squad all has decent gear then you can start taking more risky fights

[timber eagle]

what I want is not to run into a triple stack of people geared in all purples at lvl 1

[feral wadi]

cant always run when the juiced players are faster than you and have higher door open speed and such.
The current gear system in this game is essentially a feedback loop. If you have gear you get more loot, if you dont have gear you get rolled. There are exceptions but generally speaking its not possible to kill someone who is faster, tankier, more dps than you.

[ionic mirage]

if they can get purps pre 15 you can get purps

[steady valve]

Most people with gear in pre 15 lobbies do not have a ton of move speed, you can definitely run. And yeah you should be running a route that you came from so you know doors are already open, you can close them on the people chasing you lol

[timber eagle]

they're the reason i cant get purples. Not to mention. They arent finding them get to 15 go into a duo drop your lvl 1 friend a full set of purples get out he now has a fully juiced lvl 1 character

[vagrant jackal]

5 People in my HR lobby xD 8 People now oooooo

[fiery quail]

where can i see how much items costs in trade?

[steady valve]

Sheesh yeah it’s always someone else’s fault. They must have just had a dev drop their gear to them since it’s so impossible to gear, no one should have any gear💀

[ionic mirage]

if they're duoing with someone lower than lvl 15 they get put into 15+ lobbies. With the changes to merchants its super easy to get good gear.

[subtle heart]

Right the 1-14 lobbies are fine minus those that drop gear for their friends alt characters and then just roll the lobby. Im talking above 15 lobbies where everything just feels horrible to play and currently the only way to stay in the lower teir lobbies is to delete your character and everything on it . Or become a part of the problem of course and have your friends transfer your gear by drop trading it. I wouldnt mind seeing an option to disable character exp so you can lock your level at 14 and just enjoy the less stat checky lobbies that arent much fun pvp wise anyways. Of course this cant happen until they find a way to fix the whole drop tradinng to level 1-14s anyways because this will only be even more abused if my idea were added. But it would be super dope to have like a low level dungeon with limited perks and gear kinda like early wow pvp its just more fun when things are a bit more simple and refined rather then chatoic and unbalanced i think.

[clever meteor]

how do some people have the drink sit animation?

[sudden aspen]

#suggestion-discussion I just suggested this lol

[feral wadi]

I'm sorry but this is a facile take. Which ignores my initial premise. Seeing as your last few comments have been nothing but mockery I dont think its worth continuing this conversation with you. Have a nice day and I hope you learn how to debate with out mocking or otherwise insulting your opponent.

[subtle heart]

W take

[timber eagle]

damn I think you just solved the problem. Anybody above lvl 14 can no longer drop any items to people below lvl 15

[steady valve]

The super sweaty stuff is not fun for most people I think. The way alot of really geared teams play in 15+ is just horrible to fight against and really unfun. I think the game just needs to figure out a new way to meta. Otherwise it’s just going to be buff balls and shooting people from range peaking from behind a door. It’s just not fun lol. It’s a lot better in 1-14 lobbies where people usually just W key at each other and have actual fights

[sudden aspen]

If the game perhaps added a reward system that was high roller exclusive, that would severely reduce the amount of geared teams in pubs

[feral wadi]

Nah, pub stompers will always pubstomp. They already have good gear , they dont care about getting more

[subtle heart]

wait until leaderboards are up

[quaint lodge]

damn i remember people use to eat up these surg kits, they just not selling anymore lol im here trynna sell 4 for 100g and still aint nobody buying xD

[sudden aspen]

Yeah but it’s not just about gear, being able to work towards something like cosmetics or titles would be dope. For example, if they added a reward that gives you a colored name based on the achievement you’re working towards. Killing HR lich gives you a light purple name or a badge to your name. Maybe guilds that you and your friends can work together on to get rewards for extracting in HR a set amount of times

[real python]

the thing is theres always gonna be those sweats though. in every game out there similar to this, theres always gonna be pub stompers and sh. i honestly dont know how the devs can even tackle this problem

[real python]

faxfax

[subtle heart]

Right i agree. Personally i dont want to have to sweat my ass off just to win the fight like I could and go all out but that just sucks the fun right out of the game for me and ruins the pvp like i dont want to HAVE to do all these things such as meta comps / builds or play as cheesy as i possibly can at any given moment because one its not fun and two its exhausting and makes me feel like a jerk when killing a player that way lol. Im not saying W key is the only way to play however leave some room for smart plays or clever ideas to sway the fight in your groups favor but i cant say i see anyone having fun when abusing every possible thing at every moment becomes your only option to play the game again kinda takes away the freedom and creativity of the game / builds

[steady valve]

Yeah it would have to be a nerf to ranged dmg pretty hard to force people into closer quarters. A lot of high end pvp I get into is literally just both teams standing back poking each other for literal minutes straight until someone flanks or runs away. It’s pretty terrible lol. But then we need a Barb or buff nerf to curb the buffball spam. I just know the game feels better when it’s more actual 3v3 fights rather than an fps or double support buffing 1 guy to sprint at your backline at 300 mph

[real python]

if only they could make the game a bit more skill based instead of just stat checking everyone atm

[marsh monolith]

I can't understand why people defend the curbstomping in normal lobbies. It is not fun feeling I do decent for like 4 games only to build up semi decent stuff. Only to be stomped by full purple guys wiping entire lobbies. Now being broke is even worse as the worst weapons you can buy are more expensive. And the starter gear is absolutely atrocious

[real python]

this is the eternal problem for all kinds of "perma death" full loot games 😭 the geared will get progressively more geared and the weak will be stuck in an infinite cycle of pain by getting curbstomped over and over again

[steady valve]

Sometimes you just get shit on. My team regularly wipes lobbies and sometimes we come up against teams we just don’t want to fight so we avoid them at all costs. Awareness is a big thing in this game, sometimes you won’t know what other people have, but if you do know they have some crazy gear just lay as low as possible and try to extract asap. Drop your best gear to your homie and let him take the first blue type thing. The game is complex tho there really is no perfect answer to that

[arctic cove]

Mob density is way too high now, who wants to kill pve for 7 minutes before they even see another player? Like on ruins no one kills mobs just runs room to room with a conga line behind them lmao

[feral wadi]

yep, and it turns into a feedback loop, if you dont have gear its very hard to get good gear.

[tulip kindle]

game needs every starter to start with one potion

[real python]

https://tenor.com/view/there's-nothing-we-can-do-gif-14390726165144583214

[steady valve]

Damn I feel like I need to go into game with some of you guys lol

[subtle heart]

Correct however theres not always an option to avoid them and then it falls back into what i said earlier where you spend more time avoiding fights rather then enjoying the pvp in the game.

[arctic cove]

Devs actually destroyed their own game with these past updates its insane

[marsh monolith]

Yeah. Well, easier to say than do. Specially when Archers starts slowing you down from 200 meters away

[steady valve]

I mean you won’t enjoy pvp if you’re running into geared teams as a naked. That is just part of this genre as a whole. You have to take some time to gear before you can confidently take most fights. Patience is rewarded etc

[wanton skiff]

if the cave troII resets does he go back to fuII hp or regain hp over time?

[glass silo]

full hp

[half basalt]

You need to get some gear - getting stomped 19/20 games to get a 100 gold - buy some green weapons and armor - die again to a full purple squad of dudes, who`s scared of HR - repeat.

[real python]

honestly play test #4 was so peak bruh

[steady valve]

Turn your headphones up suuuper loud so you always hear people before they hear you then idk😂

[arctic cove]

Yep they need to go back to playtest 2-3

[subtle heart]

Still theres no reason a naked should be running into a fully geared purped out team every dungeon thats what this whole discussion has been about i think youre missing the point a little

[steady valve]

So you want everyone to just be naked? Lol go play a game that isn’t a loot focused game my guy

[weak umbra]

[real python]

honestly i feel like its risk and reward ig. they should just add ways that even a naked could win against a fully geared purped player. i feel like just separating the playerbase wontdo anything

[marsh monolith]

Yeah. But I would assume for a large portion of the playerbase this will not happen. And if people are going to continue be ignorant over how hard this game is for a large portion of the playerbase, people will quit for sure. Imagine now you might run into stacked purple geared people wiping entire lobbies every 10 game. Imagine when people start quitting and you run into them every 5 game, then every second game and then every game because the play base keeps on decreasing. Like they can keep the game as it is if they want to. But I know a lot of people won't continue to play is it continues this way.

[subtle heart]

My guy go reread all of what i just said lol thats not at all what im saying 🤦‍♂️

[weak umbra]

just buy gear and problem solved

[real python]

facts. homeless people should just buy a house man. quit being homeless

[steady valve]

Huge skill diff is the real issue. Players who have over 1k hours and know every secret and way to cheese anything, know every route to flank or escape or chase just have such a massive advantage it’s not even funny. They can go one match and get basically a full decent kit where as most players don’t know where to go, or how to kill wraiths/champs and they also don’t farm hell efficiently. I think the skill gap will close and yeah the game will surely lose players until it hits steam

[real python]

thats also true

[weak umbra]

Imagine this discord if this game releases on steam

[terse imp]

oh no

[steady valve]

When it releases on steam, all the people complaining about getting rolled will be doing the rolling to the new steam players, and the steam players will be the ones complainging

[real python]

the community is already disgusting bruh. these kids acting all emotional and sh

[marsh monolith]

And you think that makes for a good future of this game?

[ionic mirage]

there are so many good items for cheap in the merchants right now

[steady valve]

That is essentially every hardcore pvp game. They all die horrible deaths lol. But this one started out with a bang so it will have a nice life cycle

[edgy lagoon]

You can tell a lot of these payers haven’t played Tarkov, and haven’t experienced extraction based games. Shits supposed to be hard and you’re supposed to die, take out your best gear and farm with it u til you die, just hope you made enough to buy better.

[real python]

faxfax

[steady valve]

If humans didn’t care about min maxing, we wouldn’t have this problem. But people like to be #1 so you guys are just gonna get shit on sometimes, that lesson also carries over into real world scenarios plenty lol

[marsh monolith]

The thing is that in Tarkov Gear is a lot easier to obtain. You can do scav runs which is a really cheap way to get gear from nothing. In Dark and Darker you get screwed by random portal locations and zone pushing you into an area where people can just continuously farm you

[subtle heart]

i agree i dont like the idea of splitting the playerbase but as it stands right now the game cant go on much longer like this people are gonna get sick of it i think

[steady valve]

I’d be down to see them testing some stuff like naked lobbies or some similar ideas I just don’t know if it would really be healthy longterm or not. The chase is a big part of these games, seeing how strong you can get and slowly working your way there

[marsh monolith]

I rather split playerbase now. Before there is no playerbase to split anymore

[rancid tapir]

my game has updated literally for 2 hours and i have only gotten like 1.5GB and there is 9.8 to go. What can the problem be bsc i am sooooo confused

[edgy lagoon]

Getting out of goblin caves has never been easier, do that 3 times and you can buy a full green kit

[subtle heart]

Thats kinda where im at currently with the metas and gear being the way they are the only way to solve the issue is splitting the playerbase at the moment until things are slowly ironed out (pun intended)

[sweet jay]

Min maxing stats allows for more pubstomping in this state which is still just stat checking and no skill involved sadly. Even if a geared team dies once over 6 hours they don’t have to come close to a full reset. Click vendors and the amount of loot acquired after extracting instantly puts them back at where they started for another fresh 6 hour pubstomp

[marsh monolith]

The game is more than Goblin Caves though.

[cosmic nimbus]

Yo can someone tell me how much gold my stiletto is worth? (ill dm you the image of it)

[weak umbra]

rooms are big, just clear 1-2 of them and camp portals/staircase then you have free 60-120 gold

[subtle heart]

I agree the idea of becoming stronger is the main pull to the game however there needs to be a middle ground here soon because people are already getting sick of the poor balance changes and how fast the pvp is even the devs claim to want to slow the game down a bit

[marsh monolith]

Before 60-120 gold felt nice. But with grey weapons not costing 25 gold. Is it not that much anymore

[ionic mirage]

I fucking hate tarkov, but you right this is def a problem with the community here

[subtle pawn]

lol the worst part is we had some semblence of balance for all oof a day before they went back

[vestal silo]

actually impossible to beat a good warlock as fightet. unless he misplays ofc

[brisk violet]

Yeah twinked players with purples in the low lvl mm pool. Well done with the matchmaking IM, clvl is clearly the way and not GEAR lvl. Wheres that meme of drooling ppl when u need it

[weak umbra]

then dont buy weapons, its 1dmg difference so why would you care, also im dropping weapons all the time now so its not a problem

[hazy pike]

So basically every class has a chest that has useful stats for them, except for fighter, huh?
In b4 Templar Armor and Will.

I like that higher quality gear gives additional stats. It is a great addition to the game imho.
But fighter absolutely got the short end of the stick in terms of chest armor.

[cosmic nimbus]

fighter is an allround character

[ionic mirage]

padded tunic gives strength, take with slayer

[subtle heart]

Ik bro that made me cringe a bit ngl lol

[hazy pike]

Thats a horrible reason to not give the fighter plate chests any stats by default.

[cosmic nimbus]

true that but theres other options lol

[marsh monolith]

Comparing this to Tarkov in terms of obtaining gear is stupid. In Tarkov you can rat it out till like there is nobody left. Here you be forced towards other players every round. Thats a big difference. Yeah you can camp exists on Tarkov. But you can always go to remote exits to have less likelyhood of campers.

[edgy lagoon]

How do people think gear level should work? Players in greens get matched with players in greens? What if my greens are +2 all and yours are +1 recourcefulness? Do we further subdivide lobbies until we que into only 3 other people also wearing their best gear?

[hazy pike]

Yeah, but as it stands, the difference between the quality of the fighter chests is not on par of the non plate options.

[steady valve]

I bet you would think my lvl 6 wizard is a twink bc I haven’t died on him yet and have a cape and full jewelry kekw

[ionic mirage]

That's not what the point of his message was

[marsh monolith]

A start would be not allowing purple gear with others.

[subtle heart]

Played the shit out of tarkov but a well placed round to the head is a well placed round to the head in tarkov and you have alot more room and angles to work with and you dont have to cut through meta teams / heals / buffs constantly being applied so youre not really making a whole lot of sense there buddy

[vestal silo]

i dont understand how i can beat a warlock as a fighter. I try to all in him runs away. Way out of my speed range. I disengage he just catches up. He heals off of me if i do any dmg to him. If I strip off my gear im still slower and now i have no stats, so there is no reason he shouldnt beat me in melee too

[weak umbra]

its so cringe, half of the fighter gear is now only good for cleric, also i think they changed how bonus rolls work, i see some magic related Rolls on almost every gear for casters and damage Rolls on dps classes

[steady valve]

Purple gear literally drops in normals. Should the game boot you out when you get a purple drop or should it just only drop bad gear? That way when you get to high roller you have crappy gear and run into a team with full legendaries I’m sure that will go well. Or you gonnna stay in low lobbies forever? I don’t get this

[quaint lodge]

anybody else over price rangers? lol

[leaden mirage]

This gam'e developers are amateurs. Why did they make such a bad system for trading items? There's no auction house. It's a text channel with linking items and you HAVE to be online to sell something. This is so ridiculous. Disgusting implementation. How can you be so bad at programming that u can't even make an offline auction house?

[sweet jay]

@subtle heart Yep in this game you can hit a geared opposing fighter 7 times to his 2 and still lose

[subtle heart]

I agree the whole tarkov argument that dude just had is reaching further then ive ever seen in my life 🤣

[quaint lodge]

i for one like the the live trade

[hazy pike]

I just fought a barbarian who actually wore a chest. He and I both hit each other 10+ times before one of us died. Fighter is not the only class who can get a high effective health pool.
It's just that the options to optain more EHP are extremely punishing in terms of movespeed.

[subtle pawn]

it's not the lack of ability to create an AH vs knowing the consequence of making an AH. That being said I do wish we had one lmao

[steady valve]

You legit need a crossbow and you gotta dome him. A good warlock completely counters fighter so you really just have to run/shoot him or you will probly die. The kiting warlock build makes me rage lol

[edgy lagoon]

You’ve never had a tagilla mask on running around factory in fort armour blasting people with a semi auto shotgun as they’re coming in with pistols lol,

[warm lynx]

Skill issue

[vestal silo]

if you miss or that one shot is not enough to kill him, then what do you do? Takes seconds to reload

[rigid panther]

Hello
I don't know if this is the right place, but I would have a few ideas that have probably already occurred to many Dark and Darker players.

1. Friends list - easier to add to a group.
   2.MMR/Gear Score system. It would look for a game based on what hardware we currently have. It's easier for new players, but also for those who dress up new characters and don't want to encounter someone who is currently dressed in purple.
   3.Matchmaking System - Matching random players and possible punishment for killing companions. Of course, not right away, because everyone misses sometimes.
   4.Auction House - First of all, easier and more pleasant sales. You list the item, keep playing and when someone buys, you get the gold. And of course, easier purchasing.
2. Quests from NPCs - Quests that we could receive from merchants and in return receive a reward, gold, etc. This would diversify the gameplay and give a sense of progression.

[subtle heart]

KS23 to leg or AP20 rounds you die raid over.

[steady valve]

If you don’t kill him quick you need to run lol. Maybe you can bait him into a doorway where you’re hiding when he’s chasing or something. You generally just lose that matchup unless he whiffs hard tho

[weak umbra]

2 3 4 never rest will be added

[old quest]

That's enough of this game for me today holy shit this is boring

[warm lynx]

Game suggestion

[vestal silo]

could be, but I dont see what exactly i could do different in the scenario i just played. If you have advice its very welcome.

[leaden mirage]

I'm not going to trade anything in this game to other players. it's not worth my time.

[edgy lagoon]

So if you get slightly better gear you can take out the better geared players if you play it perfectly right? Wow that sounds slightly like the point I was making. Thank you.

[subtle heart]

Also its called leg meta for a reason my guy you can go in there with a keder and melt people for budget kit you cant do that in this game so you sound rather foolish

[weak umbra]

👍

[hazy pike]

As a fighter there is a lot of scenarios which you simply can not do anything but run.
Which is funny cuz the class is named fighter and not usain bolt.

[steady valve]

Barb with a white felling axe has entered the chat

[rigid panther]

Where?

[edgy lagoon]

Have the barb ball rush into a ranger trap and get one tapped 😂

[subtle heart]

pretty much lol with bless and divine strike still doesnt account for the pocket cleric buffing and healing the other juiced team like crazy though sadly

[charred girder]

you cant because someone had to fuck up the occultist boots

[vestal silo]

Thing is I even tried to just close the door and run. But he opened the door so fast that i couldnt even put any distance between us before he had caught up to me and cursed me. I also tried to hide behind the door and ambush him with sprint. I hit him once before he was out of melee range and i couldnt do anything. Its just a slow painful death, where i cant really do anything

[subtle pawn]

I can't tell if fighter is weak or barb is OP, but Fighter does have a high skill cap and using a shield is almost required imo bc it's their biggest advantage

[humble drift]

I love fighter because of the longsword

[hazy pike]

Pretty much. The warlock will just kite you until you die, or oneshot you with blow of balance, if he has a good weapon

[weak umbra]

just spam him with range, or build mr. there is nothing more you can do

[subtle pawn]

Also slayer fighter can beat lock bc ur not slow

[subtle heart]

Yeah but thats exactly what i was talking about earlier the only way to do those this is to be forced to play meta comps or go farm gear/ gold for a few hours rather then just being able to play the game and work up slowly without having to run from evert single fight and about 5 raids in you are stuck between a rock and a hard place (juiced team and closing swarm and another team) and you dont have the option of avoiding

[charred girder]

no, because you dont have access to the occultist boots pre nerf

[hazy pike]

slayer fighter beats sa lot of things, but there is also a lot of stuff that beats them.
Fighter is kind of rock paper scissors in terms of builds.
There is builds that counter a lot of stuff, but all of them have some sort of HORRIBLE drawback

[steady valve]

Fighter is definitely weak compared. look at leaderboards. They are good but they have way harder counters than Barb does which just makes it better generally. Only things fighter has that Barb doesn’t really is crossbow and shield,with 1/3 less hp dmg and taking twice the magic dmg

[vestal silo]

My range was an xbow, but if i close the door and reload he would have opened the door before i could reload. Then i have one shot that might take him to 20% hp if i hit. But by the time my bow is reloaded again he will have cursed me and regained his health. That is IF i hit him.

[subtle pawn]

Yeah i think barb is so much better in current meta and fighter crumbles to magic dmg where as barb doesn't

[vestal silo]

slayer dies to rogues, rangers, barbs and pdr fighters

[hazy pike]

Fighter just got "slightly" nerfed at some point and since that point has been untouched, while all the other classes got buffed either directly or indirectly.

[steady valve]

Yep the only way to gear fighter to have magic resist puts you basically at the same pdr as a decent geared Barb, and at that point why are you playing fighter and not Barb lol

[subtle pawn]

got two shot by francescas whilst wearing a juiced kit yesterday it felt pretty bad

[torpid stirrup]

the main difference between fighter and barb is you have crossbow and shield

[scenic hornet]

I prefer fighter just cuz I can deal with dumb op rangers easier than with a barb imo

[hazy pike]

I'd argue that slayer fighter is pretty good into rogues, but yeah, armor is better against them...

Until the fighter decides to bring armor AND a slow MS weapon so the rogue can just kite them dead because they are twice as quick.

[subtle pawn]

Ye the best fighters are rangers in plate

[worthy cradle]

Why not some shared stash among characters? Literally everybody wants this.
When people invent workarounds to your game design choices, it may be time to rethink that choice

[vestal silo]

Until lock or wiz shows up to the party

[steady valve]

That shit is so boring to me lol. Like a turtle with a musket

[rancid tapir]

can someone tell me why the game is loading very slowly, like literally 0.5mb/sec

[hazy pike]

Also dropping a hot take here: Fighter perks are also pretty horrible compared to what other classes get, and their only real damage increasing perk (combo attack) is bugged and only triggers after the first two hits.

[subtle pawn]

I've grouped with some fighters with good enough aim that they just crosssbow them down

[fossil zealot]

fighter wearing plate armour will be 2 shot by a worlock or wizard its actually stupid

[subtle pawn]

also true lol

[worthy cradle]

Any1 still find fighting the same skeletons 50 times a game interesting?

[pearl summit]

def need a gearscore filtered lobby...sweatlords sweatlording

[arctic cove]

Congratulations devs you have shown us all that you have NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT YOUR DOING

[fossil zealot]

they just need dev thats know what they are doing.... every patch one class dominates

[weak umbra]

no

[subtle pawn]

Yeah i like only goblin caves now because 3's is 3 people having fun at 12 other's expense lol

[grizzled adder]

thats the case with every game and every patch take any game that has competitive and a variety of champ pool or whatever , there will always be a meta

[tender wedge]

they gotta hire like... just one white dude who plays games 20 hours a day

[fossil zealot]

if you think thats the case your playing the wrong games, most game have some sort of balance this game is just one class absolutly smash shit

[subtle pawn]

lol some times i wonder if the issue is that SDF and Graysun are actually quite good at the game and don't know the average player experience. This is just a tinfoil hat moment but lol

[subtle heart]

true af although i hate goblin caves lol

[hazy pike]

It's not like people often have a choice.
I liked goblin caves, but the zone moves so quickly that I usually can not avoid fighting 2-3 players. And since their first reaction is often to attack instead of running, I kinda have to kill them.

Just being a rat is usually not an option for me these days 😭

[fossil zealot]

maybe the dev decided to play warlock this patch

[tender wedge]

it's far more likely that they're garbage at the game

[subtle pawn]

there's videos of them playing and some people in the community have played with them they are apparently pretty decent

[subtle heart]

why cant i connect to the game

[brisk violet]

yeah

[open halo]

can i instantly play after buying starndard edition?

[pearl summit]

cant even play unless its a reset....i like to go outside and thangs basically

[fast iris]

Does anyone know if lichs health get reset when you exit the room?

[weak umbra]

yeah finding gear is so hard now

[slim ocean]

The game just wiped or ?

[grizzled adder]

not long ago

[dull hornet]

how much do bows slow on hit?

[pearl summit]

really more about gear power and the disparity it brings to balancing the game...just dont have much time to play the game...just not a rewarding game in terms of skill v time invested/grinding

[slim ocean]

it wasn't last months ?

[grizzled adder]

27th Big patch lots of new stuff and shit

[weak umbra]

there is no grind in this game, you can extract with like 5 blues every game, not even touching hell ofc

[pearl summit]

word...cant argue with stupidity....esp someone whos primary experience in this life is gaming...lol

[weak umbra]

if the truth is stupid to you then idk what to say

[grizzled adder]

its true that in 2-3 games you can have a decent gear even after normals

[pearl summit]

blues dont do much against the guy who stayed up all night grinding in purples

[mental glade]

what drops spider silk?

[grizzled adder]

if you're full blue you can skillcheck them , if you cant try again dont whine we all lost loot at some point

[weak umbra]

1. go to castle
2. kill skele champ
3. loot 2 golden chests that are in his room
4. you have 3 green-purples
5. go to another mini boss or golden chest location

[weak umbra]

you seriously think that blue vs purple is impossible? green was enough to shit on purples before this funny gear nerf, now you can shit on full purps in grey gear and still win or take like 2 of them

[shut temple]

just me or all warlocks do is run

[grizzled adder]

With fire at their feets*

[ionic seal]

Nah all they do is cast shadow wizard money gang spells

[pearl summit]

grays beating full purp? LOL if you class counter maybe

[weak umbra]

yeah thats like 1/3 of winning in this game? what, you think you will beat geared wizard with merch gear fighter or what, ofc not.

[hazy pike]

You will if you sit in a dark corner and he walks by you unknowingly!
in short: If he screws up so hard that he might as well have wiped himself

[weak umbra]

it was a bad example, i forgot that you can buy 14g crossbow and one shot every wiz

[hazy pike]

nah you need one with 50+ dmg. thats at least blue with good rolls

[fleet dune]

I just escaped goblin cave and my stuff disappeared

[hazy pike]

F

didnt happen to me recently but good to know that this bug is still around

[subtle heart]

So did they patch out cheesing the wraith or am I doing it wrong

[bronze ember]

thids allows people to hard grind with their best character to then slaughter lobbies with a busted character... make em grind for it

[grizzled iris]

IS +2 PHYS power +1 ture phys +2 additional phys dmg good enough to craft the falchion of honor or should i wait for weapon damage (warlock)

[worthy cradle]

Ok. Add gear score bias to matchmaking

[bronze ember]

i also hate this new loot system and traders.... everyones got busted gear

[grizzled iris]

you mean all the +15 and up weapon damage rangers and rogues>?

[subtle heart]

I like it. If everyone is busted then it's equal

[bronze ember]

yes precisely

[pearl summit]

"bUt YoU cAn GeT fUlL BlUeS In oNe RuN tHeN StOmP aNyOnE"

[grizzled iris]

yeah i have the crafting mats to make every bis peice of gear by crafting, i just have to wait for them to have +all att +magic healing, i should be able to craft like +23 magic healing with like +20 all attributes

[cosmic copper]

wait did they remove the movespeed frmo lanterns and torches again?

[grizzled iris]

yeah now colored lanterns have random stats on them, torches just dont give a MS penalty

[pearl summit]

what was the thought process behind dumpstering bard?

[grizzled iris]

bard is still crazy good for buff ball, they just made it so you have to rest to heal and restore spells faster

[grim leaf]

does this game have any kind of mmr / matching system or is it just queue and go?

i'm terrible at this, but everyone in lobby seems to be in full purple loadouts and im rollin around in free kit. i accept you can't kill anyone in purples regardless of the jump you get on them when you're in grey's but i wouldn't mind playing against someone else who is at my level

[bronze ember]

this is whats wrong with the current wipe

[pearl summit]

cant equip 2 sheets of music anymore and the secondary spell uses are trash..instant cast or silence...as well as the heal hymn not lasting long enough to actually heal off it.....just too strong of a nerf to a class that already had mb 2 playstyles

[subtle heart]

Yeah bard is just worthless now

[remote yarrow]

You can still equip 2 Sheets. You Just need more knowledge to fill them. You get 6 for free with perk and rousing rythm

[subtle heart]

No other class needs you to juggle 4 different fucking stats and yet they decided to nerf bard into such a way that he is never going to be at full power anymore. And people wonder why there's so many rangers

[tall elm]

?

[grim leaf]

I just watched a bard killed 3 entire squads in ruins before his barbarian was able to open the door and join in the fun

[subtle heart]

Cool, doesn't speak for the 99% of other people

[pearl summit]

what perk gives 6 free? 6 knowledge?

[spare elbow]

Perk and plus all atts song is 6 off the rip

[remote yarrow]

Perk gives 3 and rousing rythm 3. Read

[knotty kernel]

No the game does not have any mmr. It does have a rudimentary matchmaking system where the queue is seperated between pre lvl 15 and post lvl 15 characters. this leads to some issues, as the post 15 queue is considered much harder to play than The pre lvl 15 queue which is considered much easier, as most of the experienced and thus geared players are in post 15 queue. I may recomend that if you are lvl 15 or higher, and are having a hard time, to try lvling up another character to 15 to get more experience with the game. Either that or play GC. GC has an equal number of escape portals to players so pvp is not necessary and thus a rarer there than the other maps. A decent way to practice against the mobs at least.

[wraith folio]

Sick fed up of the Curse of pain just 2 shotting rangers

[pearl summit]

ahh i gotcha ...main stats...still have no affect on how the character is played...and the nerf made it worse.....they should have nerfed bards group buffs and left self buffs alone

[spare elbow]

What about rangers 2 shottijg warlocks w arrows lol

[scenic hornet]

In summary, this patch ruined GC, ruined trading.. did I miss anything xD ?

[remote yarrow]

Ranger have 50hp?

[wraith folio]

IF THEY HIT! and thats with fully loaded out your talking about NOt fesh with just longbow

[vestal shoal]

I’m creating and account and would like to know if username is visible ingame?

[remote yarrow]

Ruined Gear Balance. You can get Like 8 or more damage on one piece

[spare elbow]

Doesnt the warlock have to hit too? In fact if they dont they are punished worse they take DOT

[scenic hornet]

True lmao this patch is insanely bad

[civic fog]

GAME IS BELOW 20K PLAYERS AFTER 3 DAYS OF HF 1.1 ITS WAS 40K AFTER PATCH 1. Caving to streamers killed the game

[devout yacht]

Nah, it's character names that appear ingame

[wraith folio]

and rangers dont get HP BACK or Damage over time if 1 hits

[vestal shoal]

Thanks

[pearl summit]

its wild that streaming now has a massive affect of how teams develop their games....gaming becoming cool killed gaming

[spare elbow]

Its the slowest time of day. NA is their biggest market and its 5-8 am here lol.

[civic fog]

As soon as you start bringing up timezone cope you know the playernumbers are cratering HARD. The game had 40K people at 7am on a wednesday. It's obvious the patch killed the game. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted

[grim leaf]

Odd match making system. I think i'll maybe just wait for it to hit steam one day, the people that play this game are far too dedicated for a casual player, and without the match making it's beyond unforgiving to queue as a newer or under geared player to just have some fun. the game's probably just not for me but i'm curious to see if the unfair competitiveness just kills the game. new players won't ever get anywhere and old players will just get bored

[winter plover]

Did they fix the login server? Games network has been straight trash past few days

[winged ibex]

All the game needs now is to return the patch from the day before yesterday and remove the purple stuff from the store. That's it.

[civic fog]

Devs are too busy watching streamers, please understand

[spare elbow]

I dont need cope homie i just play the game and have fun. Sound like youre coping with your displeasure with the update by finding “evidence” that the update is widely disliked by the playerbase.

[arctic cove]

Games full of bots

[placid badger]

What are the thoughts of adding an item level to the gear? As in, each piece of gear gets a number depending on the rarity and whatever the total sum of the item level, puts you in a bracket or allow you to que for HR only stuff

[civic fog]

Enjoy empty servers! Im sure the devs will take time out of their stream watching to do something about it..... surely....

[spare elbow]

ill ping you the first time i have an unfilled lobby.

[arctic cove]

This game wont die because there will always be 10k bots online farming

[spare elbow]

Damn there are bot farms already? Seems kinda tough to make a bot for this game

[arctic cove]

Is all you do in this chat is act delusional?

[gaunt hemlock]

How does the report system work.

Like does the game itself record the entire game and inspects it for cheaters/pre game teamers?

[spare elbow]

What a bad answer to a wonderful question. Very rude

[arctic cove]

'is there even bot farms' Look Pinky you've been here for months, you know theres bots lmao

[shy zealot]

I have no idea if that's all pinky does. But I agree that making a bot for this game would be insanely difficult. Infact if YOU can program a bot for this game then you should do so, then show it to the likes of Microsoft. Because you would probably get a job offer on the spot.

[spare elbow]

Ik bots spam the chat to advertise, i dont think they have bots to actually farm the gold though

[pearl summit]

what would the pve equivelant of this game be?

[shy zealot]

Actually you probably don't even have to program it @arctic cove, just get ahold of the code, reverse engineer what ever 30 year into the future code they are using that can farm in DaD dungeons and make billions.

[arctic cove]

This chat has reached the extremes of being either completely haters or complete shills, either way its full of delusions

[spare elbow]

End of day i wouldnt expect this game to get much more popular than Hunt showdown for example, because the style is sort if niche, doesnt appeal to every gamer out there. Hunt tends to have 10-30k online at any given time depending on events time of day and day of week. That is around where this game is currently hovering so im not too worried yet.

[arctic cove]

Yea if your basing it off player count, when 50% of the players are 'xiolou123' your crazy

[lilac zealot]

I'm not crazy, right? Is ruins just objectively better loot wise compared to crypts? My 3 man feels like we get basically nothing in loot from crypts and we have to fight 3 times as hard.

[woeful dirge]

Hey guys, there is always a hoard behind the iron door in ruins?

[spare elbow]

Why cant xiolou123 be a player? There are tons of players in US with names like “killerranger123”. Exact same concept in a different language. Also im not basing off player count, the number if players in dungeon only got to 8k the lowest i ever saw i think, which certainly adds up over 10 k when you consider folks in lobby. Sweating playercount this early idk too they still have much work to do on content and balancing and preventing gold sellers and hacks and exploits

[pearl summit]

same unless i have horrible rng....crypts is full of gray loot

[shy zealot]

If you are actually seeing 50% random string-of-character names in dungeon then I am legitimately concerned you downloaded an alternate version of the game that has infected your computer and is connecting you to different servers. Please check this and get back to us because that sounds like a scary virus... I have seen maybe a 3 or 4 random-string-of-characters username in my entire 200+ hours playing this game throughout all the playtests and EA.

[lilac zealot]

It seems like there's also just less loot in general too in terms of just pure valuables and stuff

[topaz kestrel]

i see those names often too in us-w

[scenic hornet]

Based on steamcharts right ? Because hunt is on console also 🙂

[shy zealot]

@lilac zealot @pearl summit Interesting because I have had the opposite experience. Crypts always seems to be filled with loot, while ruins i'm always running around for it. Which may just have to do with the fact that ruins has a lot more walkable surface area compared to crypts.

[viscid storm]

rtarded balance team needs to learn

[spare elbow]

Yeah thats right. So decent margin of error there, but i would GUESS their console playerbase is about half pc playerbase at any given time. This is a complete guess. Anyway it doesnt have crossplay so as far as affecting lobbys filling and ratio of cheaters to real chillin players only need to conpare to steamcharts

[civic fog]

Sorry balance team too busy watching streamers!!!

[fluid lion]

Take the strom out of the game it makes gc unplayable you get 20s to kill13 Ranger goblins with the strom on your ass gc is trash now

[remote yarrow]

Ruins has only Shoes for me. Sometimes i find 20+ pairs during the entire game

[heady tundra]

no.

[old quest]

Wow this game truly is amazing, 6 bodyshots with 40 dmg longbow + 4 arming sword hits to the head and barb isn't dead, hits me twice with felling axe? I die
Incredible gameplay, really enjoying my time

[spare elbow]

You dont have to kill every mob you see. Their agro range is short

[arctic cove]

Damn you dont even give good advice.

[blissful crystal]

Unpopular opinion, but whether the devs cared what mendo said or not, at some point they needed this testing anyways. They are trying to find a way to balance +all cause they like it being something to chase. The reality is though, it’ll never be balanced. It has far too much gain potential over any other stat roll, and their data will show that once again. Its EA, lets just be guinea pigs and not worry too much about pixels

[heady tundra]

Barbs start off with like 130 health my guy. Also the highest strength in game. So what do you expect? A decently kitted barb can easly have 160+ Health

[spare elbow]

Bro its ok. Take a bubble bath maybe some bath salts in there. Eucalyptus or lavender ideally. It’ll be okay.

[old quest]

I've played this game since first playtest
I know what barbs are, I'm just saying the way they rebalanced weapons is dumb as shit.

[blissful crystal]

Have you tried aiming head?

[heady tundra]

I suppose but how kitted was he compared to you?

[sweet pulsar]

the pelt drops are too low at 2% for troll and 3.33% for wolf

[spare elbow]

Barbs can actually get some decent armor now so rangers cant 2-3 tap anything in the game without cracked gear. Its a good change

[spare elbow]

Wolf seems fine troll seems a bit low. 50 kills statistically for a single drop

[knotty basin]

Troll pelt is supposed to be rare, wolf pelts although it has a 3% chance you can kill like 18 wolves if you run ruins efficiently

[sweet pulsar]

ive played enough runescape to know its not 1/50

and have to contend with fully purple teams in ruins :) @ bhu

[vestal chasm]

50 hp and negative mr i guess, it only does 20 base according to tooltip

[spare elbow]

Yeah more like 112 if youre unlucky or 12 if youre lucky. Nothing between… lol

[blissful crystal]

Ngl if you don’t have the money to be going full purp as well, farming for money bag comps might not be the play for you rn

[sweet pulsar]

also pelts are 2x2 meaning you need to hold on to them for a loong time

[vestal chasm]

only way a warlock 1 to 2 shotting you is boc, curse of pain does not do that much

[knotty basin]

Either kill them or avoid them, cover your doors and do recon. Have a ranger place traps, play rouge and just invis, fighter sprint. Theres ways to not die to them. Or you can get like 400g and go in with a lil bit of juice yourself, Always that option.

[sweet pulsar]

i just want a different option to having a million gold purses

[spare elbow]

Yeh crafting stuff takes up a lot of space to even consider just slowly aquiring it. You gotta be farming for a specific item crafting stuff. Tbh how good vendor and candy corn are right now im just focusing on winning runs and scooping corn, buying good rolls off vendors. +2 all for 40 gold? Bet

[knotty basin]

Theres bigger bags that hold up to 500g and a gold chest that holds up to 3000g

[sweet pulsar]

yes, i know, this is the topic of conversation currently

[spare elbow]

Thats why he need the wolfy pelts

[vestal chasm]

lets just take out +all atr +weapon dmg +magic dmg +any form of damage and just have chars scale off primary stats, if TTK is to high buff all weapon dmg and spell dmg to compensate for the missing +damage

[spare elbow]

Yo whats better on plate pants plus 3 wpn damage100 g or plus 3 agi 50 g. I lean to the agi personally

[devout yacht]

anyone saying Bard is ruined isn't playing them right

[blissful crystal]

If you have that much money why aren’t you buying full purp sets to go in with…. Thats where I’m confused on your “but theres full purp team” comment

[blissful crystal]

Definitely the weapon dam. Agi is cool and all, but making things die faster is a fighters main function

[knotty basin]

Save money for the wolf pelts they aren’t crazy expensive farm the troll pelt and sell anything else for the gold for the wolves

[vestal chasm]

i agree but also feel that thats a problem considering hes suppose to be the tank class

[spare elbow]

I feel that but i like getting some movespeed bonus. For 50 less gold i think ill go the agi but actually not sure i need em now anyway i have like 4 good kits in stash lol

[vestal chasm]

idk man but im apparently kill on sight no matter how friendly i try to be

[blissful crystal]

Thats why wizards exist. All that plate armor w no MDR? Sounds like a one tap fireball to me. The best defense is a good offense, in a frontline to frontline, if I’m out dpsing their frontline, I’m gonna create more space and better openings for my DPS to kill enemy support/dps

[spare elbow]

No

[spare elbow]

Whats crazy though with actual bis a fighter can be 70% pdr and 50% plus MDR. Plus fighter just crossbow a wiz not eat their shots

[blissful crystal]

Who says we have to kill eachother? I don’t team, but I let people live all the time. If I sucked at the game, I’d team. Most people do, so they team.

[vestal chasm]

maybe pre patch, mr isnt as hard to get and they got solid options for both, fireball dont hit for shit now honestly inless its a headshot, then you also risk hurting your own melees, ranger with armor pen just better choice now

[velvet fable]

what would Ideal stats for wizard be

[tender wedge]

same as everyone else, +2 all

[spare elbow]

Resourcefulness and strength

[vestal chasm]

+magic dmg/true magic dmg/ +will (or all obviously) and knowledge/agi are decent to have but not your main focus, tho as a wizard main he feels like shit rn

[tender wedge]

wizard is in a shit place rn for sure, eldritch shield + every archer can 2 or 1 tap you

[blissful crystal]

50% plus is generous. My god kit prenerf was 90% PDR and 45% MDR, and that was almost full legendarys w some purps, all 4 stat or better on trait. Now if you going for 70% PDR you gonna sit at like 35% MDR, discounting buffs like harmonic/eldritch

[spare elbow]

Less pdr can yeild higher MDR because instead of plate you have maybe gear with bonus mdr. Anyway i was just estimatinf but yeH i was kinda factoring bard buffs as a possibility too

[blissful crystal]

60-40 is what I try to sit at, and thats after full buffs are up ie barricade/holy aura/eldritch. I don’t have a bard as we run cleric/warlock/fighter, but I’m sure w bard buff you could prolly eek out 65-45. Also, I prefer MDR gear or at least gear that doesn’t have negative MDR such as armet >hounskull and dark plate > cuirass, w heavy boots/rugged and riveted/reinforced instead of plate @spare elbow

[spare elbow]

Yeah same. If im tryna make an ideal kit most of it isnt really plate. Heavy leather leggings over plate usually too cuz plus str and close to same PDR — im ok with low Mr sometimes tho if i have some great full plate rolls i can generally avoid magic damage

[red holly]

Is it just me or is warlock still just curse of pain and power of sacrifice. The healing just doesn’t work any other way.

[blissful crystal]

I still like plate pants for two reasons. A) higher PDR when I’m alr taking the rest of my gear w less PDR for MDR, and B) added projectile reduction. Rangers w blue bows are hitting me w a full quickshot rn for not even 25% of my HP. Granted, it also depends if a ranger has full wpn dam/strength behind that bow, and they actually hit their headshots lmao

[blissful crystal]

Curse your hydra while its zoning the other team. Big brain play. But fr, devs please remove the ability to curse your own hydra. Bout the dumbest possible thing in the game rn imo. Never ending full heals if you have 3 or more magi healing

[spare elbow]

Good point, ill keep that in mind when making BiS kits

[abstract valve]

nerf warlock

[potent stirrup]

earthquake need nerf ong

[potent stirrup]

warlock aint even that strong, he is only strong when he has gear

[blissful crystal]

Warlock is busted rn, solely because of hydra self healing. Take that away, and I agree. Still A or S tier w good gear, w out being just straight up silly

[spring mural]

Ranger NEEDS a fucking nerf, prove me wrong

[mental viper]

rogue with crossy 😄 devs..

[civic fog]

Sorry your not a streamer. Your opinion only matters if sdf spends all his free time in your chat.

[spare elbow]

You should see a doctor i think your sodium levels might be off the charts.

[vivid trail]

you're

[fleet halo]

Who would win? barb or fighter?

[civic fog]

Ok simp

[spare elbow]

[languid coyote]

In 1v1? low lvl gear fighter, once the barb gets a warmaul + 40%damage reduction, fighter never wins even with god gear. A vendor white warmaul wins against fighter, its unblockable because of the impact power you get a free swing in and has 30%armor pen baked in.

[ivory yew]

"it ended abnormally please restart" This happens too often ... lol..

[lofty ruin]

This I been tellin you

[weak umbra]

if anyone thinks that gear is hard to obtain, play bard. i dropped 6 blues and 4 greens and im still in the same raid

[languid coyote]

Fighter is an unplayable troll class at the moment with wizard damage + warmaul

[tawdry inlet]

I miss the days when there was no other maps, and no separate queues except for high roller.

Bring back only crypt, normal/highroller, no level separation

[empty sigil]

Rangers complaining......

[ivory yew]

thats only because you can crack lockpicks Moonguy

[old quest]

Fighter, actually

[weak umbra]

still easy, my barb is equipped with blue legs and blue felling, im running 2 blues and my warlock dropped a purple book and blue ball, 1 more raid and we will be fully geared "oh i dont have 15h a day to grind"

[ivory yew]

I mean it's pure luck what you find lol, theres better chances for certain chests for sure, but its still complete rng what you'll get

some days I find nothing, some runs you get out with 3 purples

[weak umbra]

not rng now, every locked chest and mini boss drops green+, with luck i can drop 2-3 blues per chest. grind in this game is just non existent, just proving it

[spare elbow]

As long as you extract you can buy amazing gear from vendors for 40-80 g a pop — Takes 3 extracts to get a full good kit together

[neat socket]

hey stop nerfing the fun classes, everything eventually gets boring and then i might as well just go back to fighter or barb. Feels like Lock might be next on the ole chopin block

[scenic hornet]

How about you just play what you enjoy lol

[neat socket]

I'm tryin' man, they keep nerfin the enjoyment parts out of em

[ivory yew]

again, its pure rng what the merchants have, pure rng what chests have, yes its possible in 3 runs, but not likely.

the thing that I hate lately, is base grey items sell for like 35g instead of 8g lol

[hidden compass]

how does armor rating work. does more armor rating = higher pdr?

[fluid oxide]

Why is my entire inventory gone?

[hidden compass]

i took it all thanks

[quaint phoenix]

this "balance" patch is the worst by far

[shy chasm]

essentially yea go to wiki to see exact values

[sharp wren]

Check out my damage and stat calculator, maybe this helps you understanding the impact of stats better!
Working actively on it :) https://dndcalc.com/ (link got accepted)
Spell damage and perk-buffs will be supported soon too
Feedback is always appreciated :D

[inland birch]

[jovial summit]

@ivory yewI agree with the grey being too expensive. 35g? seriously? Thats ridiculous

[spare elbow]

Base gray for 35g? Never ever seen that. Highest is 2 hand weapons for about 14 usually… lol. Also in 3 runs you have at least one shop reroll, depending on your class you almost certainly can get a mostly full good kit given you prob picked up a couple decent items. Its not gaurentee but generally

[quick linden]

Anyone h aving an issue with crafting ingots/powder?

[dire lodge]

how do you get good with rangers they feel like they only tickle the opponent

[sweet pulsar]

shoot their head
get the headshot perk
get crossbow perk when you have a crossbow, i think (standard) crossbow is infinitely better than bows

[hot ember]

kkep getting Failed to update pakchunk602-windows.pak Network connection failed. (code :1001) what do i do?

[warm rune]

I don't know why anybody would buy common items when they only add 1 damage.

[sweet pulsar]

honestly i think thats a windows 11 bug, i got it on dota a lot a while back until i fresh installed

[hot ember]

im using windws 10 though

[sweet pulsar]

idk then

[ivory yew]

ya a base grey falchion is now 25g, and any 2h is 35g...used to be like 8/15g lol

[shy chasm]

anyone feel like the new layouts are wonky af, it doesn't seem there was any thought put into them at all

[spare elbow]

Armor makes sense but weapons not so much now

[opal ember]

IS anyone else getting lag in game?

[grave stratus]

Does people that team up in goblin cave get banned? cause i seems to be running in more and more in HR

[ivory yew]

Yeah its not permanent though, they said they are nerfing everything to the lowest levels for now and starting with a baseline

[tulip kindle]

hard to enjoy the game when there is warlocks spawnin infinite hydras because they regain infinite health off curse of paining them

[main raven]

Is the Gold Bag even worth? Wouldn't 5 Ruby Ingots be worth 500 gold anyway?

[viral solar]

i ran into dead ends alot... that is annoying

[ivory yew]

its not allowed to preteam up, but if you find someone in game, apparently thats ok (though I don't think it should lol)

[spare elbow]

Sure but some people dont want to trade rubysilver for stuff and prices on stuff like that could be volatile. Makes more sense to stash gold if you can get chest or pouch i think

[main raven]

I'm just saying, it seems like 5 Ruby Ingots is a lot easier to get your hands on than farming an easily-campable boss for a 2% drop

Plus, you can now see what attributes a crafted item has, so Rubysilver has probably increased in price, if anything

[honest bolt]

Gold bars would be worth more, keys too, current troll hide also

[main raven]

I have no idea where you find gold ore lmao

[shy chasm]

HR

[main raven]

So I'm never getting it then. Epic.

[subtle heart]

So does no one play highroller anymore?

[cinder mason]

Question for the stat nerds out there:

What is the Warlocks base magical healing stat?

[shy chasm]

the gear u get in Hr is comparable to noramals theres no point

[drifting hinge]

Why would you do Ruins when some people like myself have no friends playing this game

[main raven]

Zero lol

[grave stratus]

lmao nice shit

[honest bolt]

I was playing some but always getting lobbies of 1 other group and that was it

[vestal falcon]

Yes but a gray is 31 a white is 32 or 33 and green is only 34 so it's not a big damg dif

[weak umbra]

on ruins in 4 spots i think, its a little bit cringe that almost every Item for crafting cant be obtained in crypts

[cinder mason]

@main raven for real?? Shoot. How do you find that?

[subtle heart]

RIP

[main raven]

Torture Mastery is basically how your entire kit works, and gives you +1 Magical Healing from both CoP and PoS

[shy chasm]

i don't think any class has base phys heal or magic heal its more like a boost

[viral solar]

/Talking about Goblin Cave) Anyone else feels like the state of the game is currently worse then 2 Month ago? Goblin Cave pub stomper Meta is insane and most lobby have one super geared player who killed everyone in 1sec....

[weak umbra]

because gear is super easy to get

[honest bolt]

Yea they seemed to have gone super overboard in tossing things to the ruins, but ig u still need crypts for bosses and demon parts

[vestal falcon]

There are only 7 people so gear is very easy to get

[main raven]

The game was ten times better four days ago before this hotfix destroyed the game

[honest bolt]

Loved patch 1, gated the hot fix after it

[cinder mason]

Ok. Thanks y'all. No wonder vampirism "wasn't working" lol

[fossil crater]

Hey guys, i tried the last 2 days to connect to the game, but it says Server error. please try again (2), i tried to disable firewall, using VPN, and still not working, did you guys have same issue?

[main raven]

Hopefully the devs learned something, because they thought the lack of insane gear stats was apparently an issue

[viral solar]

Maybe try to reinstall the game

[fossil crater]

I did bro

[ionic seal]

Where do I use an old rusty key?

[shy chasm]

worm

[drifting hinge]

This is just me, but when stuff like this happens, I just reinstall my PC, then I know if it's the game or me. But that is just me

[main raven]

I mean, seriously, Graysun actually said this in #the-tavern the other day:

"It might have been too soon to make changes, but the changes were coming.
Thursday turned out to be very far from the original vision than we anticipated.
We felt that right away, the ttk was very high and fights dragged out for much longer than wanted.
Loot became very flat and the crave to farm higher tier items was lowered significantly."

Last time I checked, no one asked for "+2 All Att +5 Phys Power +5 Weapon Damage" rolls on a single item, but here we are

[languid coyote]

how are you supposed to make money in HR goblin caves? after my run I made 227 in gold items. After paying fee that's 152g, after using consumes (12g in hp pots, 10g in bandages, 10g in clarity) looking a profit of 120g. Not worth when bringing in a kit worth 3 times that. Make more gold running normal goblin caves naked

[ionic seal]

I asked where to use it 🤔

[cold reef]

Agreed. There is nothing like being at full health, in a blue kit, playing a class with low resourcefulness and getting stuck in a trap. 3 headshots and I'm dead before I'm able to complete an idiotic skill check.

[weak umbra]

i asked

[main raven]

You shouldn't need to pass a skill check if you're actually IN the trap

It's still basically guaranteed death though lol

[spring mural]

Not even that. It’s fun not being able to fight any team comp with a ranger if you don’t have a ranger in your party. And the ONE weakness rangers have (supposed to be vulnerable when rush in their face), they have broken traps, spear proficiency, and rations to heal themselves 3 times. Really balanced class.

[vestal falcon]

Sadly the loot everywhere else is so good why go HR when u can go normal qnd then hell

[strong ember]

ranger is broken?

[viral solar]

Skillckeck is gone and traps are nerfed. Ranged is still strngest class imo, so i dont want to disagree just clarify

[main raven]

Crossbow Ranger is actually nuts, and you can buy a grey xbow for 14 bucks lol

[vestal chasm]

broken beyond reason. we better nerf wizards

[spring mural]

Absolutely busted. Doesn’t get nerfs or any adjustments to balance them. They have no weaknesses in the current meta.

[winter goblet]

Yeah the ranger's natural predator, the rogue, caught a lot of Ls recently and seems like most just rerolled ranger.