suggestion-discussion

[foggy sun]

Gandalf disagrees

[shy sorrel]

Give kris back too warlock

[midnight hinge]

Could be cool if there was added a rare drop or crafting through the already added hunting loot, from monsters to make slot-able buffs to put into your character through the Training tab. Sort of similar to how cosmetic skins work, where for example: A "Token of Honor" dropped from skeleton champion, can be made into this item, that you slot into your character to get +5 armor and -5 mag.resist. Have like 2-4 slots available through levelling to 15 or 20, but make it a choice you would have to be sure put in, since it would either be permanent or gold expensive to remove again.

[latent tundra]

All this number crunching with gear makes me annoyed.

Swapping gear needs to take like 5x longer and immobalize youd. Add some permanence ro your decisions. Swapping full outfits in combat is a meme.

Jumpcasting is also lame as hell and is not class fantasy at all. If casters need jump casting to be viable, then casting is fundenentally broken. And it looks super fkn lame seeing a wizard hop around like a pro athlete

There are many fundementals that could EASILY be fixed instead of tweaking gear stats

[summer wave]

Please extend arena

[raven nacelle]

Desperately need a custom room for pvp with my friends

[jolly leaf]

That could actually be cool. I'd love to see something lile that introduced as a special module in whatever map like a Forge where you need to go and give your token of honor to a NPC that craft it into this "Trinket" item. And they could either make it do lots of noise so other player know you'r here and try to attack you or make wave of monster attack thr forge and you need to defend it. The gameplay loop deserve to be improved, there so many cool thing that could be done, like some of this suggestions idea https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[latent tundra]

Man I HATE druids but a spider form where you could run around and make web trabs would be sick as hell

ALSO warlocks should have a nightvision spell that gives them glowing red eyes that make them super easy to see in the dark

[crisp basin]

I believe there should be a non pvp option like in gta where you can turn off player damage and have to request a pvp match. Both people or party's would have to hit each other to maybe start a 5 sec cooldown untill you can attack each other

[jolly leaf]

Maybe for very very new player fore like your first few hours but I don't think it should be a things that everyone can choose to use. Pvp is part of this game, there is progress to make to either make fight more fair between new/experienced player or gear/ungeared player or improve how matchmaking work but I don't think an option to simply remove PvP is a good idea

[crisp basin]

Yes PvP is part of the game but when you just want to play the other 95% of the game and just loot and kill mobs, try and take on bosses without being 3rd partied being able to turn off PvP for a few games would be nice. its not like im saying remove PvP completely but there needs to be a way just for PvE, I believe that it could bring more people to the game who just want to play a good dungeon crawler game.

[halcyon flame]

That’s the thing it’s not just a pve game so there shouldn’t be a game mode with only pve. It’s a PvPve game. Also “95%” of the game is not pve lmao. Btw there’s other dungeon crawlers with no pvp aspect, a game can’t appeal to every single audience while still being a good game it’s not possible

[low tundra]

I would make demon form instant and phantomize the time that demon forms now takes to transform.

[jolly leaf]

Then maybe like druid, make demon form instant with a perk

[low tundra]

For druid the perk works for 5 transformations. I'm not against it for demon form but because it is only for one form maybe it should do something else too. Maybe reduce the self damage, at least for some time. Right now demon form feels so weak.

[warm fulcrum]

This idea was on the discussion forum that they made but I would love for warlock to have a pact weapon that would get a instant equip time and some extra action speed and it would have a custom equip animation and a cool item particle effect kinda like shadow touch but with more of a noticable effect like a unique sort of but I really like this idea because of the fact that with kris dagger being removed from warlocks weapon choice there is 1 one handed weapon and then everything else is a heavy 2 hander like bardiche, halberd, zweihander, and quarterstaff I bet most people don't even know that warlock could equip quarterstaff but they can but the one thing in common is that they all have a long equip time and so on hybrid warlock especially it is very hard to balance grabbing your book and grabbing your melee weapon and this perk/skill Idk which one it would fit better as because boc is a core part of hybridlock but if the weapon has a instant equip time than that would make the build a lot more fun and strong and tbh warlock needs more builds that work as well as tm (old tm that was at least partially balanced not the current one oh god no) but if more melee warlock builds were centered around being a hybrid caster and its really fun build its just not that good because warlock doesn't have a incentive to go to melee other than to get a quick boc hit or just to slow them down. cause warlock is not tanky enough to go into melee against a fighter most of the time and they don't have enough dps to go in against a barb unless they have falchion/crystal ball.

[dense flare]

add goblin goth girls

[buoyant jasper]

Bro solved the game

[austere bramble]

Yes and yes

[austere bramble]

No offence but with how warlock is right now I don’t think it needs more good melee options

[warm fulcrum]

yeah I just hope they bring warlock back into a melee ranged hybrid cause that was fun

[latent tundra]

just go demon form

[pine rivet]

You should be able to delete a character before 24 hours, or at least be able to check name avail without making a character

[tardy parcel]

No patch 👉👈😔

[warm fulcrum]

the health burn is too much imo for what you get even though demon can be op

[latent tundra]

it's too easy to avoid demon form IMO for sure, I think exploit strike should be changed to something that lets demon form dash or something

[rare mountain]

@dawn grotto the game is TOO EASY, NERF the item-drop rates pls!

[grizzled hull]

https://tenor.com/view/shower-pls-take-a-shower-take-a-shower-gif-27591162

[rare mountain]

I bathe 3 times a day, if you want to know

[grizzled hull]

dry flaky ass skin

[quaint thunder]

Hi guys, after 1k hours i think i have some solutions that could really help our game. Please consider them.

1. "Starting Points". Change gear score entry requirement to a range. Tiimmy lobby could require 0-56 (or so) to enter. HR entry could be between 200-300, with elite HR being 500-650 or whatever. Then remove 124 lobby. The game then becomes more about looting as you go and collecting the best rolls you can so that you create the perfect "Starter kit".
2. "1 Map Solution" Change future map design so that it is a single 3 layer dungeon, but each floor is random from a selection of different maps. Think Deathtrap Dungeon from dungeons and dragons.
3. Remove random time wasting behavior from mobs (Goblins/centipede running away). It just isn't fun.

[stoic gale]

1. A little fighter nerf

give squishys more hp

[zinc dew]

In the "My Listing" section of the Marketplace, where you can view your character's gear, there should be a tab you can click to display your stats. This would allow you to quickly check stats while buying items, instead of needing to return to the "Class" or "Stash" tab.

[long tide]

ACCOUNT-WIDE QUEST PROGRESSION!

[civic raptor]

+1

[languid thorn]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/593002/im-add-more-weapons-more-stuff-to-use

Pole Axe (with hammer side and spike tip) - Pole Hammer (With Spike side and spike tip - part1san spear - Billhook

One Hand Axe - HEAVY one hand AXE (with hammer side and spike tip)

Executioner - Great Sword - Estoc - Falx
B@stard Sword - Scimitar - Messer - Short One Hand Spear
Eveningstar

Kite Shield
Allow short sword to be used in main hand

[gaunt snow]

add arachnophobia mode pls

[worthy nymph]

nerf longsword riposte plz..

[torn goblet]

they gotta nerf barbarian first

[indigo hill]

Fix match making with the gear score

[austere bramble]

That already exists?

[austere bramble]

Barb is fine where it is and so is longsword riposte
If u want to avoid it try not swinging into it or use a poke weapon or smthing

[torn goblet]

i mean if barb is fine where he’s at then lets get that health back to all the other classes

[halcyon flame]

Eh barb is fine in my opinion

[jolly leaf]

@keen onyx @full tulip @dawn grotto

First of all thank you all for your work. I really love this game and that's why I try to come up with constructive suggestion, I don't usually ping dev but I think this suggestion is very important for the future of this game. For me one the most important thing we have to learn from the hotfix #69 and this first year of early access is to not rush thing, to ask your community for feedback and to test things before releasing them on live server. The test server and suggestion website are very usefull tools but we feel like you barely use them. That's why I came up with some idea to incentivize people to use the test server and to include player in this test process. I'll be really glad to share a few words about it and again thanks you for this game.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

(Please if you like the suggestion upvote it )

[arctic lagoon]

ranger back jump NEEDS to be floor only, so rangers cant just fly backwards

[halcyon flame]

That would just make the skill useless + backstep distance ain’t that much to begin with lol. Not saying it isn’t a great skill but it shouldn’t be nerfed

[arctic lagoon]

whats its recharge time

[gentle mica]

make banshee a little easier
the multi-orb mechanic where she spawns a cone of them in a random location is too much

[boreal glen]

combined market for charcters above level 20 but increase the max sell list

[full kiln]

FIX THE LAG SPIKES

[dusty pier]

Order Spell/Music Priority without needing to remove and select the spell/music again. Using the Memory Priority Bar at the bottom would suit well.

[austere bramble]

Stop pinging the devs @tiny wigeon can explain why

[tiny wigeon]

actually nah

i spoke to a mod, he said it okay to ping devs as long as its contructive, so ping away! i hope everyone starts pinging so they can see how silly a system that is, but Dilo? I support every Dilo ping, he actually has good stuff to say

[austere bramble]

Oh ok
That makes sense
👍

[jolly leaf]

I have the Sauk pass xD

[tiny wigeon]

LOL , only you bruh xD

[icy knot]

@keen onyx @full tulip @dawn grotto When will the Warlock's Curse of Weakness be changed? Currently, there's no reason to use it since casting other spells to deal damage is more effective. Additionally, it only lasts for 10 seconds, which feels too short. It should either have a longer duration, like 16 seconds, or be changed to an area-of-effect ability similar to the Bard’s, making it more useful in various scenarios.

[icy knot]

I don't know if Barb is strong right now, but he definitely shouldn't be. There's no skill expression with this character— all you need to do is get close and attack. Every noob can play barb and start killing people.

[low tundra]

Only if barbs rage will also be increased, 16 seconds sound neat and fair.

[daring orbit]

Give me named bardiche k thanks

[icy knot]

Bard's weakness lasts for 18 seconds and you don't have to aim it at all.
And with gear it lasts even longer.

[austere bramble]

Look below the message

[jolly leaf]

People need to better understand what's constructive and important enough to @ dev. A balance change of one spell of a class is not imo xD

[icy knot]

You're right it took them 2 years to nerf traps. What's the point of even trying to help them.

[jolly leaf]

Well hoping to make the game better. There is a lot of good suggestion they just need to organize themself to read and test the suggestion made by player and their idea. Imo one of the best move dev could do for the futur of this game is that https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[jolly leaf]

Imo there's 3 thing that are very important to change or add right now, first the suggestion I send just above, dev need to listen more / test their idea/player's suggestion.
Second they need to try stuff to improve matchmaking/map rotation timer, that would do the trick imo https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/576260/improvement-to-the-new-matchmaking-system-and-map-rotation
And third maybe the more important, they need to improve the gameplay loop of the game. Add new things to do in the dungeon like imagine the Expressman instead of being between floor for everyone was in a room in the dungeon and your need to go there to give him stuff. Or like a Forge room where you can bring gear to improve it, reroll a random attributes or just improve the rolls of an attributes something things like that. There's also some good idea here https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[timber juniper]

if they wanna nerf back step i think one charge is the right way to go. having one step creates decision making that suits the tension in the game. having another is excessive to me. in crypts, in the room with water, the gas zombies and the stone bridge, i was able to infinitely kite a guy using back step to gain space. i think it’s a cool use but the second back step made it so easy

[jolly leaf]

Or add 2 sec of cd

[tender remnant]

Make Religons CHARACTER based!

[proper folio]

They should make phantomize 1 charge too

[tardy vector]

+25 hp all classes beside barbarian. no one wants to play Barb and Barber.

[jolly leaf]

That could be nice, at least to try. Imo what they really need to do is equalize PDR a bit, reducing how much armor plate and heavy armor give and make light armor allow you to tank a bit more. Overall they need to increase TTK without making tanky class immortal

[stoic gale]

NO that is to big of a buff

[stoic gale]

more like 10 cause at that point just play tanky rouge

[proven patrol]

give us cross console

[full spire]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/593351/arena-ranking-reward-throphy-system

[granite plinth]

And curse of weakness is all stats based on percentage, ur point?

[orchid magnet]

Arena mode needs to get changed, you cant loot the other team so losing things you didn't loot just doesn't make sense.

[gentle mica]

Part 1
Things I think need to be added to the game or improved upon
more weapons and shields -- kite shield, knightly poleaxe, fist weapons, cleavers, curved swords, gisarme
more spells -- too many to name, endless possibilities
more utility options -- javelins, rocks, nets, smoke bombs, splash potions of poison /magical damage, climbing ropes, mob bait etc.
more support items -- campfire variety, buildable barricades, emergency extract item of some kind
more weapon mechanics -- modifiers for different attacks, (able to hold alt and the attack will be different, so if you are using longsword instead of the opening stab you will do a strike )
assassination mechanics ( if someone sneaks up behind you unnoticed you should 100% lose or the odds be like 99-1 in the assassin's favor)
a chase mechanic
all weapons be able to block, even one handers.
more weapons able to riposte like the longsword (obviously with a different animation than the LS ) -- rapier is a good example
an interactive hub with all the merchants and your stash
more levels -- new levels and content
sorcerer class as well as other new classes -- monk, ,paladin, artificer, etc.
more summon able creatures for warlock, druid, and any other class that can summon
single player modes -- not meaning solo queue I mean straight up single player, like a story mode

Part 2
Things I think need to be removed or adjusted
bows -- they're a little too strong for what was supposed to be a support class weapon. yes I know that fighters can counter bows that is literally the point of armor.
I think that bows should have aim sway when moving, especially if you are NOT playing as a ranger. If not aim sway then reticle bloom. bows should NOT be 100% accurate for every single shot. crossbows don't need to suffer as greatly but the reload time on them is giga insane and 100% unrealistic. slow the reload for crossbows.
the movespeed meta -- pretty much this whole game's ideal build is to stack movespeed or get so much pdr that you don't need as much (most people still prefer to have good ms even with high pdr) this wouldn't be such an issue if melee weapons had higher slow on hit and there was a chase mechanic in the game.
movespeed rolls on gear -- explained above mostly
slow on hit from melee needs to be increased
slow on hit from ranged needs to be reduced
squire needs to be greatly improved upon but also cost money for gear -- squire should be able to get you gear of all sorts of rarity, ofc this will have to be tested, but nobody can complain if you have oh lets say all blue gear from the squire BUT you had to pay him for it! You are basically cutting out the middle man in trading and getting geared up for HR and higher GS lobbies, and yes you have to do quests to earn this level of gear from the squire + you have to pay him each time for certain gear rarity.
mob damage is way too high and needs to be reduced to about half -- I don't feel too strongly about this but either reduce the damage or reduce the sheer amount of mobs on each map its batshit insane!

Part 3
What Iron Mace should do / should have already done
use the test server -- they don't seem to use it anymore. use it. test things.
listen less to the community -- primarily streamers
host community polls to vote for additional content or current game changes -- sounds hypocritical to the point above but in this case Iron Mace will not necessarily be asking us about specific feedback but instead show us what they're already working on releasing and asking what we want to see released, as well as instantly address larger problems with game balance / mechanics etc. This is almost the biggest request that could literally save the game but nobody talks about it!
a weekly or monthly update on developer progress -- would be nice to just have them check in more often

That's all I can think of for now. Hire me already Iron Mace I will make you rich.

[austere bramble]

Ah yes so then every class has barb health but can build way more pdr and healing

[austere bramble]

Story mode definitely isn’t happening cuz it would basiacally be an entirely different game but the rest is good

[austere bramble]

For the squire part would that not just be buying stuff from merchants

[jolly leaf]

I talked about it. Look at that https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[jolly leaf]

And well I see good things but also lot's of bad things with negative side effect

[jolly leaf]

I don't think more weapon/armor is a good idea it just add more things to balance and more loot in loot table. It'll made everything more hard to get as there is more and more things to loot. I think most people can agree that the update 68 that increased the loot rate was on of the best ever, more weapon and armor will negate that (or they need to come up with something else so wizard know where to loot to get magic stuff, etc etc for each class but it'll even more work for something unescessary imo)

[jolly leaf]

Same for more spell and skill, it would be cool but make the game even harder to balance. Let's already get every planned class then maybe add stuff to the old class.
More consumable and utility could be really cool tho, so you nedd to be prepared to go down in the dungeon and face every possibility. But we definitely need backpack/quiver/tool belt for that

[carmine shard]

3 words random generated maps.

[jolly leaf]

Alone that don't solve anything, that need to come with random generated mob spawn (with a logic, you can't get a room full of wraith), randomized lever, trap, ladder. Rotate some module, maybe if possible swap floor if some module. There it's interesting if they only mix module place people would still individualy know them perfectly, how do rush through each module, which mob to kill or dodge to rush the other etc

[jolly leaf]

I hate themis assassination idea, for most people landmine was one of the worst thing in the game. The only scenario where I could something like that is if you catch someone who is sitting.
About the more weapon mechanic I have mixed feeling, I understand that actual dual wielding combo, alternative move set stuff lile that sound cool but I don't want this game to become a for honor or a street fighter where you have to learn combo and have a reaction time of 0,001ms to counter any attack with the right riposte. And on top of that with the actual system you can already do really dumb movement by moving the camera while hitting. Imo we could have a bit more moveset, maybe make more weapon able to block (not parry, and improve how the impact resistance/power work) if they nerf those camera movement like if you move too much your movement lose inertia and deal less damage so you can't aim at feet and in 0.1 sec rise your weapon to the head and do full damage

[jolly leaf]

I've seen lot of people ask for "more content" recently and for them good content would be more map and class. I think that's very wrong. Here's how I see thing, for me the most important content they could add would be stuff to improve the gameplay loop, it literraly haven't been touch since the release of the game. No new thing to do, new objective in the dungeon, always the old same boss run, for some Mining run, or PvP there it not much to do. Sure we've had more map, more class but to do the same thing that usual, we're going around in a circle, they change how the circle look or what shoes we can use but we are still going around in a circle. They need to add more things to do IN the dungeon, new unique module with purpose like in this suggestions https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem (look the comme too). A forge, a PvE wave room for good reward, even the expressman could be an NPC to meet in the dungeon to save your gear.

Map and class are cool but they don't fix the "lack of content" for me

[jolly leaf]

I'll be glad to talk with you about that, I hope I raised point you didn't think of or have more to say to convainced me. I'll wait your answer before talking of part 2

[icy knot]

My point is that nobody uses it.

[icy knot]

💀 How about 1 charge Achilles Strike and sprint?

[icy knot]

"more summon able creatures for warlock, druid, and any other class that can summon"
Evil eye was such a meme XD

I wish there were a Warlock skill with mechanics similar to pool of blood ability from a certain League character. Maybe Phantomized should be changed to work like that. It would feel more vampiric.

[gentle mica]

the squire would automatically grab the gear for you. No other merchant needed.

[austere bramble]

so its just the merchants without having to buy from the merchants

[gentle mica]

you pay the squire to quickly equip you with gear if the gear is at a certain rarity

[austere bramble]

would be nice as a qol

[proper folio]

Neither of those are get out of jail free cards

[hollow crystal]

Fix these damn laggy servers, just died because my felling axe was boucing off the Living Armor's head and after more than 2 more hits than it usually takes he just tanked it... ffs

[jolly leaf]

Try some of those fix #game-discussion message. But anyway I don't know how they're supposed to "fix the lag" except if you give them a few millions dollars

[hollow crystal]

thanks, but it runs great here, 165 fps locked, smooth as butter usually, but today sheet has mad hiccups

[jolly leaf]

Can't hurt to try the fix, most of the time issues come from our side

[forest fox]

stacking PDR is a big problem current, because you can stack it without any big deficite like ms penalty or whatever. So what about the idea that plate give minus action speed? Would also probably solve the issue with rondel dagger fighter aswell.

[jolly leaf]

Imo the issues with PDR is mostly on Fighter due to Swift (especially) and Armor mastery. A start could be to increase the -MDR plate give, maybe generalize it to most heavy armor so Magic class are actually a real counter to PDR user. Action speed penalty may be a good idea too

[balmy prairie]

first off their Religons suck , they dont even have good stats to offer , nothing cool like a Design to REP , they are just so shit , just a waste of time money sink

[jolly leaf]

They've always said that the religion system will be something like this without big utility and that it won't give important bonus. It's made to be a an other small thing to gold sink. The real clan vs clan system will probably be the Guilds system

[jolly leaf]

The biggest update they've planned to do with religion is add way to show you religion in game and stat to know which religion is the most powerfull etc

[balmy prairie]

dont defend a shit system lmao

better yet just be blocked im done with you

[jolly leaf]

You call it shit system because it doesn't do what you except but it was never planned to be a big thing

[jolly leaf]

xD I literraly just said fact but I guess that's already to much for your brain and little heart to handle

[tender remnant]

Indeed.. but they can make it suck just a tad less by making it character bound and not account bound

[charred copper]

Make it so gobbo merchant gets rid of your stuff in a day or 2 instead of one hour. I hate having to sit on my ass for 15-30 minutes waiting to see if i can get my stuff back when i just wanna move with my day or play another character without panicking that i forgot to check in with the little basterd after doing a Forgotten Castle raid.

[lethal drift]

i made a suggestion on a simple improvement of the melee combat, I didn't have enough sapce to go in futher detail but this is a quick summarization https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/593511/simple-melee-combat-revision please let me know what you think

[jolly leaf]

If no one commented yet you can make the first comment as a continuation of your suggestions

[stoic gale]

when wipe

give like 10 hp back to the squishy classes

[jolly leaf]

No official date but if they keep the rythm of the last 2 wipe it should be early december

[stoic gale]

that's what I thought. But I would like conformation so I can get days off.

[jolly leaf]

Wait until they give an official date. Keep an eye on the #📢announcements channel

[stoic gale]

I know its a suggestion to let us know

[low condor]

Umm yes, but the point of listening to streamers its usually a terrible idea, taking ideas or things like that can work, but they should never take community opinion primarily from streamers

Ohhhhhh.... ye... my bad, you right, then Im with you

[jolly leaf]

Especially when they have a suggestion website where thousand of people upvote some really good idea

[low condor]

I would say MS needs a whole rework, I have thought about the idea of a static MS or a hard (or soft) cap per class so the classes that are supposedly slow don't get into 330 MS, that also will mean we will not see any more naked casters or naked rangers with 330 MS, ye, its fine if a class decides to take off its clothes to get faster, but it should be a limit on how fast they should be per class, this also will help with the issue than a Full Plate can reach a rogue in a chase

[jolly leaf]

? I meant what I mean, they should listen more to people on the website and here than listening to streamer

[low condor]

the game indeed need a better chase system

[jolly leaf]

Not at all, i've answered to the long suggestions you made btw. There's some really good idea but I think some of them might have unfortunate negative side effect

[gentle mica]

I deleted all my messages to cleanup a little bit. thanks for the feedback

[jolly leaf]

[jolly leaf]

I think so too. Imo one way to do that would be to add more/improve controle skill (Slow, root maybe even add stun) better repartition of control and movement skill/spell. Probably also find something to do with movespeed, imo they could try to remove every stat that give more move speed and set a base move speed for every class that way it's not a contest of who stack the most MS but more skilled about who will hit is control skill or dodge with it's movement skill the best

[leaden galleon]

since when does a crossbow decrease my move speed by 20%

[jolly leaf]

Crossbow is a -50 movespeed penalty, it's a lot. I wouldn't be suprise if it was 20%

[leaden galleon]

i mean when i get shot by it

get shot and im stunned for 2seconds

[jolly leaf]

Oh then that's even worst than you think and no it didn't change, crossbow hitslow is -35% for 1.5 sec

[leaden galleon]

like what

surprised ive never really seen people using it until recently

[jolly leaf]

Ranged meta have been more and more dominant recently

[lime olive]

Make wizards not play the floor simulator without making it op: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/593546/ending-the-wizard-sitonthefloor-simulator-peace-of-mind-perk

[mint ledge]

Make arenas more diverse by adding new game modes such as 6v6 or tournament mode. Add in minigame modes like a kill the juggernaut mode where one person has all their class's perks and abilities meshed together with a ton of health and have them fight the rest of the lobby.

Make wizard fireball and explosion have greater knockback, and also fighter's shield bash, so you can use them to fireball jump (Most likely will have to make a debuff duration so that you can only sustain one fireball self hit at a time).

Have like religion raid bosses or something idk.

add horses or make an open world map where all of the other maps connect.

Do something with the thing or the other thing.

adding new content to balance is better than overbalancing and fine tuning the same thing over and over again. That's like trying to rebuild a microwave 100 times so that it has the ability to cook metal successfully.

[ripe turtle]

What do you guys think about arena having extra features like unique monsters exclusively to the arena, unique traps you don't see in dungeons, arena gear only etc? Please let me know what do you guys think! Hmm arena merchant with quests to the dungeons to increase the standing for better arena equipment and that equipment is bought with unique currency found in dungeons?

[jolly leaf]

imo unique monster, traps, gear etc is not a good idea. Arena is not the main gamemode, it wasn't even intended at the beginning. Making unique content for it feel like a waste of time/ressource to me, i'm not against new mob or traps but not unique to Arena, if you've created new content why not use in both gamemode and especially in the main game mode. The merchant tho is a good idea, need to define what he used for. Maybe he could sell gear usuable only in arena, or you can pay a huge amount of gold to convert an item to "self found/crafted by you" state so you don't lose it in arena

[icy knot]

trol in the middle of each map on Prima aprilis

[chilly summit]

Make the matchmaking wait for the lobby be full until the game starts. This will make the game way more fun and prevent people to farm without any danger in lower people servers.

[jolly leaf]

Have a look at that suggestion https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/576260/improvement-to-the-new-matchmaking-system-and-map-rotation (Upvote/share it if you like it )

[jolly leaf]

I don't get why they didn't do that already. They could improve matchmaking accuracy, reduce map rotation timer and it'll propably help to fight pre timer

[ripe turtle]

Well I kinda agree with you on unique stuff, it all goes down to Ironmace's time, money, resources to pull these things off. I also would like to think some players just want to play arena for majority of the season and these players should be given a chance to do that with exclusive stuff like rewards, leaderboards, MMR, gear, content etc. I would love to see more from arena!

[jolly leaf]

Well they've started to do that with this Hotfix, and if I'm right they've talked of a leaderbords with it's own reward for Arena

[ripe turtle]

Yeah I read the new hotfix. This should be interesting.

[ripe turtle]

Hmm arena boss? Crazy but I'd say why not try something insane for awhile.

[tidal lake]

Ayy my suggestion about booting gear gap reliant players from normals actually passed? Did I read that correctly? Over 125 You HAVE to go into HR?

The 500+ gear score can't go steam roll 170gs players and pretend it was skill?

[jolly leaf]

Exactly, finally. Shouldn't have been a thing ever

[tidal lake]

Agreed. And those same people would parrot "skill issue" when people pointed out that they were being carried by gear diff, but they were too scared to go into HR with harder mobs and equally geared players

[patent mauve]

Let Free to Play players play High Roller on the weekends, not being able to use any of the higher level gear they find or be rewarded for the time they invest in the game besides 3 quest cosmetics isn't it.

[jolly leaf]

If they do that why "F2P player" would buy the game? The game isn't free and never intented to be free. There is free Trial, in the same way than MMO let you play until level 20 to try the game. This game is pretty niche I really don't think a free to play model will fit, and most importantly it'll ask for ressources Ironmace can afford to use on making skin/cosmetic item for a potential battle pass. The game is not that expensive especially for the hundred of hours you'll play it. One thing that's needed is Regional price but hopefully that might be available when it will be available to purchase on Steam (Soon hopefully based one what was said in this hotfix)

[crude hill]

Okay let me understand. Now if i want to carry BIS into dungeon, but i want to play solo vs trios/duos i simply can't because they fill your party in HR?

Nice IRONMACE i guess my playstyle was a big problem.

[edgy cape]

How are people feeling about the role ranged combat plays in the game?

[patent mauve]

Selling on the marketplace, multiple characters, shared stash, faster blue shard accumulation, the ability to play HR any day of the week.

[jolly leaf]

That's not much and kinda small feature. It's supposed to be a Trial version, some main feature 'eed to be locked so people want to buy the game. Arena and HR are big feature. The issues is that before normal and HR wasn't different enough as people could use any gear they want in Normal

[patent mauve]

You couldn't bring uniques into normals before, now you can't bring legendary weapons. This newest patch made it more restrictive for everyone. I don't think the cost of the game alone is gonna be enough for the future of the game. They added F2P to bring more players to the game, I'm pretty sure the majority of paid players wouldn't mind F2P players in their HR matches. I know I wouldn't, I've put over 3500 hours and spent over $100 supporting the game.

[wet belfry]

rogue shoulds have the option to use rubysilver hood and cowl of darkness need that drip

[jolly leaf]

Normal used to be white gear only before F2P player, and no one complain about it, most even think it was really great. They added F2P to bring player and make them buy the game that's what the new gear bracket will do

[patent mauve]

People definitely complained about normals gear cap before, there used to be no cap at all for normals.

[edgy cape]

I wouldn't mind it either but it makes sense to limit it to combat mass account creation hacking and abusive practices. It doesn't stop those practices but it's a way to keep hr more fair and balanced

[patent mauve]

Yeah I'd be okay with the old HR fee being added for F2P as well. 150-200 gold and they still can't trade items so it's less abusive

[jolly leaf]

Yes? And then they made Normal white gear only and HR have 3 bracket and that was fine

[edgy cape]

I like that idea

[patent mauve]

People hated the old normals cap to common, this new change is no different

[jolly leaf]

I don't have the same memory

[edgy cape]

Normals capped at common made extracting green gear useless

[patent mauve]

Obviously it was changed to legendary cap because F2P players had no incentive to get gear

[jolly leaf]

Because they shouldn't have. If they want to use gear -> Buy the game

[edgy cape]

Eh possibly a take but it's kinda against the dungeon crawl loot gathering spirit no?

[patent mauve]

I don't agree, I bought the game and I don't want it to be more restrictive, I already got an emote and skeleton skin for buying the game

[edgy cape]

The community is kind of torn right now between those that want a hardcore ranked pvp game and those that want the job of exploring and unpredictability of a dungeon exploration

[patent mauve]

I'll accept that F2P players have some restrictions, but this is strong arming them into either buying the game or not enjoying most of what it has to offer besides arena crafting

[jolly leaf]

Do you really think the game will keep going for long if they don't bring any money? They need to add restrictions to F2P player so they want to buy the game and bring money

[patent mauve]

Cosmetics always produce more revenue

[edgy cape]

Yeah they do but it's kinda scummy

[jolly leaf]

But they're not very efficient at making/releasing cosmetic (look at this Season leaderboard cosmetic, still bot released) and if they have to put more ressources on maki mng skin then we'll have less hotfix, less content

[patent mauve]

Elderscrolls online has the same idea, pay for the game, pay for subscription, they changed to F2P with a subscription for better progression and future DLC releases

[jolly leaf]

And that's true for mainstream game, DaD is a niche game

[patent mauve]

The devs want it to be a mainstream game? Or do they not?

[jolly leaf]

I don't think they do, they're ok for some sacrifice but the core of the game is to be hardcore and unforgivable that don't rhyme with mainstream

[patent mauve]

Fortnite was a niche BR at one point as well

[jolly leaf]

? No? BR was the new mainstream gamemode at this time. PUBG was already released

[patent mauve]

I was a Pubg player never tried Fortnite but the free model worked for many people

[patent mauve]

And extraction games were peaking in the last two years as well

[jolly leaf]

Not really, Not near at all pf what PUBG or Apex is or was (and I don't even count fortnite). The most popular is Tarkov and they don't reach hundred of thousand simultaneous player

[jolly leaf]

You have to make up your mind, IM can't afford to give to much to F2P player, they need to sell game. And what they just did with the bracket is good for that, and it also help splitting less the player base. It's a good goos thing. And giving HR to F2P would give less and less reason to buy the game

[patent mauve]

Not really, like I said cosmetics get way more revenue for companies than game sales

[jolly leaf]

For big company, on mainstream game. Which DaD is not and probably won't ever be

[edgy cape]

Added the f2p hr ante suggestion https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/593737/allow-f2p-players-to-pay-ante-for-high-roller

[patent mauve]

Upvoted

[edgy cape]

Ty hope they try it out!

[patent mauve]

Most people don't agree that this is good for F2P players, onepeg just posted a video with the titles depicting that, that's as mainstream as content creators for this game can get.

[jolly leaf]

I agree too, it's not good for F2P player. But F2P player shouldn't be a thing, people should buy the game at some point. I'll watch the video ty for the info

[patent mauve]

Wait are F2P players not even allowed to play Arena?

[jolly leaf]

Nop, and that's a good thing

[edgy cape]

The game is very good to f2p

But if Dad wants to break through to a higher market is needs to be accessable to students and folks who are in a place in their life where the can't afford the game

Also international players would benefit too. Its not that the current system is bad but about an opportunity to expand the player base

The hope is that the players like the game and purchase it when they can afford to but most people would need to feel like they've experienced the full game to want to do that

[languid acorn]

Let the f2p player make 2 characters! Having to delete to try a new class is actually horrible for the game. Probably one of the main things that turns people off. Repost this.

[jolly leaf]

Exactly, that why they need to add Regional price m. Hopefully it'll happen soon with the Steam DLC to buy the game on steam

[patent mauve]

Isn't that less revenue if they sell the game for less?

[edgy cape]

No

[jolly leaf]

No because they sell it to people who would never buy it either way

[patent mauve]

If the barrier to entry is too high, why even have it, just let them buy cosmetics

[edgy cape]

Exactly it's getting a profit from people wou wouldn't buy not loosing out on buying it. They'll likely have more people buy the game overall if it's actually affordable in their region rather than the same flat USD cost

[jolly leaf]

[edgy cape]

More people playing a multiplayer pvp game means more people buying it because their friends love it

And some may worry about folks who purchase at a lower cost in another region but frankly that's a minimal percentage of people who would go through that bad faith process

[patent mauve]

I don't think they plan to have regional pricing, you can free to play, but you cant use most of the gear you acquire. Onepeg definitely has the right take here, of course buy the game, but this is going to get the game review bombed

[edgy cape]

There isn't a right or wrong take. There's opinions and what works for im

We put too much emphasis on finding the one right route for the game that we fail to consider making it enjoyable for many kinds of players

[patent mauve]

Ill be playing the game regardless but cosmetics being in the game already outmatches the price of the game. Onepeg says the F2P was a mistake

[jolly leaf]

I hope they do. And again, you can free to play but it's the point, people are not supposed to

[edgy cape]

That's just some philosophy talk though sorry

[valid rivet]

To help with the F2P issue, maybe add character slots for redstone - say 5 per slot and give a discount to the total game price for each slot bought.
Buy 1 the game is now $21
2 $12
3 $3

This way F2P don't need to delete characters or create mutiple steam accounts to try classes, lets them buy a slot when they are ready and could slowly draw the F2P players to buying the full game and unlocking the market aswell

It could also incentivise people who are strapped for cash, or in oher regions where 30$ is a good chunk of money to throw at a video game

It also still prevents the "traders" of real money from having access to the market unless they buy an account

[jolly leaf]

Actually that could be a good idea

[patent mauve]

Im not opposed to this, it's like putting the paid version on layaway lmao

[lucid aurora]

Add immunity to entangle (entangling vines) for druids : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/593747/add-immunity-to-entangle-entangling-vines-for-druids

@dawn grotto I'm sorry but I have tons of feedback and ideas I'd like to give them to IM and be read is there a way ?

[jolly leaf]

Yes there is, the suggestions website.

Suggestion on how to incentivize using the Test Server by rewarding and including players
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[lucid aurora]

I don't feel they're reading it and especially the ones that have no upvotes, I would like to chat with someone so I'm sure what I say gets to someone

[jolly leaf]

We all want that. I have several suggestions with several hundred upvote and they propbably never seen it. If they have to see one it would be the one i've send just above. If they do that it would fix lot of thing and include us more in the process

[valid rivet]

they still dont get access to HR, market, arena ect.. until buying

[patent mauve]

I'm not opposed*

[torn goblet]

yeah that's personally what i dont like about fighting barbs, it just turns into a game of keep away. kiting classes don't even feel like they can kite that well since there is achilles AND rage. like how does he have the highest health, highest damage and the ability to catch up to fast classes with buffed sprint (rage, +15 strength and vigor + a 12% move speed increase) WITH a slowdown, i dont know any other classes that have that base kit. i absolutely hate that fights reduce to a door game that i don't like playing, "all these cool modules and we're fighting at the doors" as i saw someone put it.
sry for late reply

[patent mauve]

I do like how Barbarians have to choose between really good utility perks and damage perks vs one that breaks doors. If they don't have that perk they're at the mercy of anyone with higher regular interaction speed.

[shy talon]

delete the entire game and rebuild it to not be terrible.

[gleaming tree]

nerf the warlock and wizard pls

[halcyon flame]

Honestly not being able to have multiple characters isn’t even the biggest con of f2p, it’s the inability to play HR and use the marketplace

[patent mauve]

Yeah I think HR should be accessible to F2P, either for a short time each week, or with an entry fee like before but for F2P only

[jolly leaf]

Well for me the free version of the game is here so people can try it. You don't really need to try HR and marketplace to get what it is and how it work, but being able to make several character to test out every class that seems more legit for a Trial version

[jolly leaf]

Another point that make making HR accessible for F2P a bad idea is that HR is where you can make the most gold by far if you allow free account to go there you it's a open door for cheater and gold farmer

[patent mauve]

It's already an open door, it just requires them to buy another account after their ban, which they can afford

[jolly leaf]

Maybe but at least they've paid an other copy of the game. That's money xD

[patent mauve]

Sure and cheating will persist

[jolly leaf]

And still it will be worst if free version can go in HR. The more obstacle you add the less people cheat

[patent mauve]

I make my gold in troll room and skelly champion kills, either normals or HR the drop chance for GK is a bit better in HR and mystical gem drops there along with named items. The paywall prevents more new players from enjoying the full game more than it prevents farmers and cheaters.

[jolly leaf]

Anyway they can't do much against cheater. It's an issues in every game and even big company like Riot, Ubisoft or EA can't handle cheater so I won't expect much from Ironmace. If at least cheater have to buy yhe game each time they get ban then at least they make a bit of money

[patent mauve]

I've spent more on cosmetics than the game itself cost me, the paywall didn't exist during the PTs and that's when they had the most players.

[jolly leaf]

... The game was free during the PT and they did a huge ad campaign back then. I'm french and even french streamer was playing the game during PT 3-4-5

[patent mauve]

The wiggle that killed DaD

[halcyon flame]

Ye that’s what I say. It’s like a demo

[jolly leaf]

Exactly

[patent mauve]

I understand the concept of a demo, my critique is that in this new age F2P usually means full access besides DLCs and subscription based benefits.

That's how the original F2P drop was received when the gear cap was common gear only

[jolly leaf]

They did made a mistake saying "F2P" they should have said Trial or Demo

[patent mauve]

True

[jolly leaf]

But fact is that it is a Demo and should be treated like one. With restriction

[patent mauve]

Maybe they could offer F2P players like 3 games a day for HR or arena to try geared games out

The way it is currently is just too restricted imo, but i understand why they have it setup this way

[jolly leaf]

I don't think so, imo with this hotfix it's kinda good. Maybe with the buyable character slot

[patent mauve]

I think the removal of geared blue+ kits in normals wasn't good for F2P

But I bet my games are gonna be better since the lobbies will have more people overall

[valid rivet]

Trying more classes without having to delete char's is better to direct players into buying

+F2P HC and market would mean people could play the whole game on mutiple accounts for classes, and would allow real money traders to flourish

[halcyon flame]

I never said f2p players should have access to marketplace did I? I just said that’s the biggest con of playing f2p

[shy sorrel]

GIVE KRIS DAGGER TO WARLOCK

[slate vine]

Your adventure has been interupted by an unknown force please return to Tavern?

[stoic gale]

no

[steel trellis]

HR Rankings for Arena MMR

[mint star]

mmr for arena terrible change right now...7 outta 10 matches teammates in squire gear and enemy team in rubysilver

[steel trellis]

I played around 16 games arena yesterday and got no one with squire gear best i saw was a wizard with 12% magic dmg bonus

[copper palm]

Make a feature to where you can right click coin bags or chest and fill them with gold

[tired osprey]

Most classes have gotten good alternative movement tech but not all of them, which I feel is a shame.

The classes that still lack any real alternative movement and I am not including speed boosts are:
Cleric.
Fighter.
Wizard.
Bard.
Barbarian.

As an example of what I am mean by alternative movement I mean things such as Rogue's double jump or Ranger's backstep.

These classes need something so that they feel more unique.

Examples of suggestions for each class.

(Cleric Spell) Miraculous Stride: For 10 seconds you or an ally are able to walk over water and all movement slow effects are ignored (3 charges.)

(Barbarian Skill) Toss: Self-cast throw yourself a great distance in an arch, can be used on allies or enemies. Can be used as a gap closer, evasion or even to save allies in a fight by throwing them out of harms way.

(Wizard Spell) Fireball: With some adjustments give the fireball more knockback in a way that allows more organic and easily used fireball jumping either by default or with a perk, a rocket jumping wizard would be interesting.

(Fighter Skill) Rally: Create an area of effect around you where allies are given a speed boost as long as they stay within this area, this aura lasts 8 seconds and has a 12 second cooldown.

(Bard Skill) Slide: Slide forwards on your knees for about 2 meters you are at crouch height and gain go faster with previous momentum you can use A and D to move left or right during this slide, 2-3 second cooldown.

[ripe turtle]

Oooh boy Religion system needs LOVE so bad! It looks painfully boring! 😦

[tired osprey]

A simple idea is items and gear tied to that religion to really show allegiance.

[ripe turtle]

I agree. It could be simple as that. I would also like to see lore, quests, PvP (arena showdown between factions)

[arctic bough]

Arena suggestion. No double classes on a team. That is all.

[ripe turtle]

Hmm it could make arena matches more interesting and entertaining since you cannot simply rely on meta builds. Then again this could increase the wait time. Oh goodness I'm waiting for arena spectate mode! And gambling! THAT will bring players back!

[arctic bough]

Maybe mildy longer but most of the time i see teams where we both have double or even triple of the class and if they just moved the teams around between those 6 people it would of been more balanced.

double wiz vs double barb i see stuff like that all the time.

also bring back multiclassing >.>

[ripe turtle]

I disagree with multiclassing. The original implication was disaster, unbalanced, insane. It needs a lot of work.

[jolly leaf]

What about bringing back Multiclassing but a week once a month, maybe it's own gamemode. Make it a fun, short event

[keen eagle]

Please no

[jolly leaf]

xD

[worn raven]

Swap the location of bosses on April fools e.g. frost wyvern is in cave troll room

[ripe turtle]

A week before next season i think is reasonable. But there has to be adjustments.

[carmine shard]

what about limited market place uses that refreshes everyweek

[jolly leaf]

Honestly if the game get Regional pricing soon I think we've reach a good level of What you can test and what's restricted for the Demo version

[haughty lichen]

I think it would be kinda cool to have a training/ challenge area where you can fight a monster of your choice with unlimited HP to practice with. Or challenges, for example parrying 10 times against a nightmare skelly in a limited time to gain a new rank.
Each challenge and rank obviously becomes harder to obtain

[mossy summit]

i think they should add region block again 99 % of hr trios on europe is chinese cheaters and esp rats from china

[valid loom]

if you want to increase engagement with highroller, I think it might be best to remove losing points. Players that played high gear normals wont want to lose demigod or whatever rank they are just to play with higher rarity gear pvp. the removal of 125+ will just push people into squire gear lobbies which will just hurt new player retention even more.

[stoic whale]

an option to add video evidence of teaming

[ripe turtle]

Alright guys! I have this wild suggestion which might be super bad and just stupid and I need your insight on this. What do you guys think about this: as a F2P player, what if you buy certain amount of cosmetics and stuff you buy from the shop, Ironmace would give free Legendary upgrade to your account. Is this nonsens? Unfair? Fair? Crazy?

[trail kindle]

here to report arena bug, screen glitched all game

[valid rivet]

I think the market should stay behind the full game, if you really want to give them a trial to it, maybe like 1 sell and 1 buy transaction per day? But I think it should stay behind paying for the full game. Allowing real money traders to access it for free will only hurt the game. Atleast right now they have to buy the game to access it and that puts some money in IMs pocket. It sucks but it happens and they will just rebuy the game as long as they have customers. So I think it's better to force them to put some money into IM if they are going to break TOS and sell stuff

[woven marsh]

Has there ever been any discussion about a fatigue bar? So much of high level combat involves jumping around to take advantage of the fact that attacking while jumping doesn’t cause you to slow down. If anything it should be the opposite. Many of the attack animations imply a lunge that should actually INCREASE your forward momentum when you attack, with diminishing .returns for repeated attacks of course. The movement meta is always discussed as a problem with combat. It’s overly technical and takes away from the realism of martial combat. The devs must know this is the case, as they implemented a movement penalty to rogues who take double jump. Thoughts?

[woven marsh]

Multiclassing has a place if it is limited and has a drawback. I suggested back when it first came out that it should have limits to the number of additional classes you can spec into, and there should be an incentive to stay pure in your class. The game is (supposedly) based on Dungeons and Dragons. Multiclassing is a powerful tool in TTRPGs like that, but it has a cost. You miss out on your capstone ability at max level. We get perks at levels 1, 5, 10, and 15; but nothing for hitting 20. Give the classes a choice of a couple, more powerful “capstone” abilities when they hit 20. Something that is build defining. For Fighters for instance you could give them access to all Armor types, or reduce move speed penalties when wielding two weapons, or give them a bonus to attack power or dmg while using a two handed weapon. It should be perks that are stronger than the other perks and that tie in to the different builds.

[jolly leaf]

Unfair as people who already bought the game dont have the cosmetic free player will have "buying" the game thus way. It's already kinda true as right now people need to buy red shard to buy the game so they get 15 red shard that I didn't get when I bought the game. But I see the idea, imo it just shouldn't be for cosmetic but allow them to buy more character slot for 5 dollar that get deducted from the final price something like that

[jolly leaf]

#report-a-bug

[jolly leaf]

I really hope they didn't forget the test server in their plan to unlink account/release the Steam DLC. Hopefully everyone will be able to play on test server now and we should push suggestions so they improve it and use it more
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[strange topaz]

hello here my first post. We have a problem in arena SA server, a friend has over 2500 rating and we cant find a match. We have been waiting for 20min.

[narrow thunder]

maybe 1 perk from another class per character

people could do things like shadow touch rogue or dreamwalk barb

[outer sable]

What's the average MMR in arena currently? Anybody know?

[jolly leaf]

Try #report-a-bug

[wicked laurel]

there needs to be some sort of buff or health return on kills, ive just played two games in a row with a good long 1v1 that i barely win just to immediately get jumped by a rogue that was hiding nearby.

[white warren]

What if.. hit points were not tied to strength and more directily tied to vigor? It would help a lot with this ranger and barb meta..

[silent fern]

Barb already has a perk for 18% health back on kill, and it's basically useless

[jolly leaf]

12%

[jolly leaf]

Figther also have Victory Strike that heal 10% even on PvE kill

Actually I think Victory Strike is very good but sprint and Second wind are just too strong

[dense flare]

When are we getting regional pricing?

[jolly leaf]

Hopefully very soon, they've talked of the incoming Steam DLC to buy the full game via Steam and that should bring Regional pricing

[jolly leaf]

My guess is there trying to do it for christmas or right before

[dense flare]

arl thanks

[wicked laurel]

exactly my point. its only 12% and nobody uses it. i was also just mad cause i was playing warlock and i had just useded up my soul shards and BOC and Dark reflection were on cooldown. i had no chance and ig sometimes that happens and iiwii

[silent fern]

Even 12% would be generous for an all class kill buff, and it's never used, meaning that it will never be added nor, be helpful

[wicked laurel]

true

[ripe turtle]

Since we have skeleton varieties, why no giant ones? Big, scary skeleton miniboss could be cool.

[elfin onyx]

I think we should streamline HR, if rewards are account-wide on Pathfinder and above, why can't progress also be?

Now I don't mean all classes would get the Neophyte-Wanderer rewards, as those are more so a head start for people for the new season, so those who grind with those specific classes should get those for said classes and then just put the gold coin bags and meds in their shared stash.

The same argument can't be made for Pathfinder and above rewards and those take a considerable amount of time to grind since HR is in the bad in-between of not giving enough AP killing to avoid spawn rushing and Pve being the most consistent way of getting AP. It creates the problem that once people either reach Demigod they stop doing HR.

Streamlining HR progress across accounts would cause people to play classes they actually want and not just classes that benefit from either:

A. Being able to hide in the corners of maps and get loot and run away- Rogue, Druid
B. Be able to survive most fights and look the other cheek- Barb, Warlock with torture mastery

I personally just do HR as Barbarian as he's the easiest to me, I don't even like the class, achilles' heel is too powerful but that's not on topic

This streamlining would create problems with there no longer being the filtering of the leaderboard with certain classes but that would only be the case if Ironmace makes the bad decision to give top players special rewards as previously stated HR does not show who the best of the best, but the mid of midmaxxing AP.

Like I stated before I play Barbarian in HR solely because he's easy for me, I shouldn't want to play the class that's easiest for me, I should want to play the class I want in HR, either get out and earn my AP, or die and switch to a different class for whatever reason, the meta changes, I like this class more, or anything as once I reach demigod ill only plan on getting wanderer on other classes for the gold coin bag. This all the letters i can type.

[lavish fable]

Sort out Rat form for Druid. I find the fact when cave collapse is happening, one tick can kill you as a rat. its bs, make it hp percentage damage or something. Second you should nerf bats, they are OP, all other flying creatures have similar hp except the bat which is just annoying for no reason with a massive health pool

[ashen canyon]

Are we talking about bats that scream at you or demon bats that shove you, also as for rat form and cave collapse, you know if anything touches you you’re going to die as the rat, it’s better to not be in rat form that close to cave collapse and just haul ass

[lavish fable]

Im a pretty new returning player, mainly played in the play tests, when im hauling ass and jumping through doors as rat to get to extract fast its easy to forget. Its still ass tho dying to one tick of cave collapse.

Im talking about the bats that scream, their health pool is disproportional compared to other small enemies on tje first floor. Takes me like 5 swipes as a bear to kill one in base gear, when all other small spider and flying stuff is 1-2 hits

[real trellis]

The small bats do have a lot of health but this is exacerbated by how many hits are dealt to the wings rather than the head because of how small they are and the swing patterns of various weapons. They die pretty quick when using thrusting weapons.

[pale snow]

BROOO THEY SHOULD GIVE MONK A PERK TO MAKE QUARTERSTAFF DO IT'S OWN PARRY TO MAKE STAFF BIS

BIS TROLL SMASHER WOOOOO

[nimble tendon]

They should make that shield can block felling axe

[pale snow]

make it so that when YOU hit a weapon with the quarterstaff you can right click to hit again super quickly and for a tiny bit extra damage to the hit, maybe give it a tiny magical damage bonus to represent putting KI into it somehow

different enough to stand out, not crazy enough or technically complicated enough to get super OP cause I mean it's still a quarterstaff and requires hitting a weapon or shield to trigger it and pavice can block it without taking damage to the parry (at least easily)

[umbral hollow]

nerf mage now

[jolly leaf]

How, what do you suggest?

[umbral hollow]

nerf the fire types the practically one shot a ranger

[rugged summit]

So Rogues should really not be able to pickpocket items out people Inventory in Arena, and then be able to actually keep the items.

My buddy went in with a Demon's glee, and Mana-Sphere that he crafted, and we ran into a team of three rogues, with Smoke-pots, and pickpocket. Stole the Extra Items.

Better yet, we actually won the game, so the Rogues didn't even get to keep the items. They're just gone now.

Demon's Glee, Mana-Sphere, and Centaurs Madness, just got Poofed out of existence.

[jolly leaf]

I think they just didn't think about it. Maybe try #report-a-bug

[rich veldt]

Please buff wizard hat. Its thee coolest wizard head piece, but leather cap is just obviously better... 😦

[jolly leaf]

It should either be will instead of just magical power or maybe will + Knowledge like occultist boots

[bright fable]

we had problem with 0 gear wh waiting for free gear from rogal staying at the top of walls
now we have problems with druids doing the same even better
he can jump thru spaces that you cant acess
and you cant kill chiken with BOC with hand hand strike
and somebody can tell my why druid is doing everythink ass planed ?

[valid rivet]

arena: projectiles should be restored after the match after the match, or when entering provided with an amount, some classes have no consumable costs while others require it to function

[empty crypt]

Playing barb and buying Fran’s for arena is annoying af

[cosmic acorn]

Let the arena open PLZ !

[jolly leaf]

We can't afford that, the last patch was them working on a way to reduce the splitting of the playerbase on too many lobby (Maps, group size, GS bracket, gamemode). If they open Arena all the time it'll split playerbase way too much. They can afford to do it on weekend because it's the peak of player

[cosmic acorn]

What if many plays mostly the game for arena ?

[jolly leaf]

Well they don't so... All the F2P player can't play Arena so you guys have to stop this myth that people only want to play arena that's just not true. And if that was true queueing for Arena wouldn't take more than 1 minute

[cosmic acorn]

That not what iv said and 1 minute or 2 for this number of player is allready good

[jolly leaf]

You'r just not the first one to say something like that about Arena. Also not really as for some map/group size you have around 10 sec of queueing

[tiny rain]

What about a second arena that didnt use normal gear, instead you would make a squire loadout just for this, but the squire gear would have Patch 69 balancing.
It would be more casual and people could just jump in without any gear requirements

[valid rivet]

If we are doing competitive ranked, all players should be provided with the gear so its skill based - a squire where you can pick your rolls on gear

[halcyon portal]

@keen onyx have 1 class per team, no more triple barb. game is fixed.

[low condor]

What about buffing Warmaul?

It deals the same damage as the bardiche despite being way harder to use, getting more MS penality and having such a small hitbox, for such a hard weapon to use you should get really rewarded but thats not the case

It has 20% armor pen which sounds good but at the end its the same as all the other hammers, something that doesnt make sense, it should have its 40% armor pen reverted

Other change it could have could be just more damage only on the head of the hammer, you could increase the weapon damage and decrease the stick damage in proportion so the hammer head deals more but the stick deals the same number as it deals now

I personally would like the armor pen reverted, as the reward for the weapon would be that someone with big plate armour will receive basically the same damage as someone with no armor

Im really a fan of the Warmaul as a cleric but to be honest, any of the other hammers are just better, way less weight, easier to land and the same armor pen, warmaul its so slow and hard to use than most of the time you will get outdamaged with basically any other weapon

[tired acorn]

boomers need gear diff

[valid rivet]

you cant hold a competitve scene when players get an advantage before the match even starts - having a competeive scene could bring a large playerbase to the game and bring lots of income to IM

[stoic gale]

no

[nova basin]

I wish past limited time races/cosmetics (other than like coffee, and st Jude stuff) could be bought with shit loads of blue shards or somehow re-redeemable via a lengthy quest. People playing ranked can get their "higher skilled" lobbies AND just play for the rewards which means they don't have to spend tokens or do lengthy quests. there would be more incentive since you can not worry about stat diff of race, pressure to play cause time limit, and can keep that adventurous wonder of finding new silly cosmetics with your hard work. The true way of showing skill would be how you fight, not the cosmetics, but they would add some "flavor", especially for new players if they were accessible.

[gentle mica]

wait till you run into a harpy or a demon bat x_x
they have a ton of hp

[gentle mica]

........monk huh...

[gentle mica]

it can

[leaden galleon]

remove perk for warlock to wear plate basically a pdr fighter with magic

[pale snow]

yeah they're adding monk after sorceror

[minor bridge]

Can we please have arenas go later into the day instead of 6pm on a sunday

[neat stirrup]

i have an idea for the socket system
every piece of gear comes with this "gem" socketed inside it which dictates half of the rolls on the item
from there, back in the tavern with the piece of gear, you can take it to a merchant who can either take out the gem, destroying the gear but keeping the gem with those rolls, or destroy the gem, keeping the piece of gear with a roll or two on it. From there, any gem can be socketed into any gear which occupies the same slot
this retains the hunt for crazy gear which drives alot of players, while also making BiS easier to acquire.
For example:
I find legendary bardic pants from killing troll. obviously, these pants are not good. But the pants roll for max armor rating and max health.
I extract with those pants, and take it to the merchant to pick 2 of these rolls i can take and form into a gem, which can then be socketed into another pair of pants, replacing 2 of the rolls on that item.

with better tweaking i think this could be a good system for making BiS more obtainable, while also retaining the gear hunt aspect of the game

[wanton cipher]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/594353/goblin-cave-levels

added a suggestion Let me know what yall think!

[leaden galleon]

nerf warlock blow of corruption and make it so they cant use plate armor
dudes always been overpowered since he first came out just nerf him to the ground please there is no need for him to be the easiest class in the game like this

never in my entire time of playing this game have i not seen at least 1 warlock in my game since hes been released

[worldly inlet]

@leaden galleon my brother in christ called warlock easiest class. you do realize out of ALL of the classes warlock has the lowest pvp dps

Lemme break down ur Complaint for you. 1. BOC is easily avoidable if a warlock charges u with a sword its a no brainer theres boc involved just run away till it expires. 2. Plate lock isnt even viable. Theres too many counter to PDR for it to be an issue. 3. COP got nerfed so we cant continuously curse to death so we have to swap to a slow BOLT that is dodgeable not to mention does reduced damage if you hit an arm or a leg.

[glossy arch]

When the socketing system comes out, allow for modifiers such as burn, freeze, poison and void damage. Different sockets would allow for different % of damage.

[tribal belfry]

Instead of waiting in the game menu and readying up you should use the old pre lobby and kinda mmo hub and have all the merchants in there too and there’s doors to the maps you want to play when your team is ready you all just walk through

[supple lark]

every class should have

[pale snow]

add in a right click after hitting with a shield to allow people to parry with it by punching with the sword hilt for a faster but lower damage hit classified as a sword attack so it gets buffs for swords, then allow caster classes to have an ability for additional no cooldown "light" spells kinda like cantrips in DND where it's low damage or has some minor utility but weaker than normal spells, and as a drawback for it it costs an ability slot, and allow rangers to have a sort of charged attack with greatbows that have a stupid long draw speed but has high damage, and only allow one player at a time to use it (so it doesn't get OP because three people sit way up high and snipe people or camp doors) this would also make shields better, and would help change the move speed meta and make the higher health easier to manage meaning it can be re-buffed while still holding the lead dev's vision in mind, ALSO you could do the staff parry I mentioned earlier allowing monks (when they come out) to parry with a quarterstaff but when THEY hit a weapon with an attack that allows them to strike with the other end of the staff for extra damage

you could also make it so that barbarian with one handed is faster and can slow people better but also has reduced damage (slightly)

[pale snow]

I also like this idea it would also add more stuff to loot though which might make it so there's more bad items in loot ironically, though that might just balance it back out and maybe require a buff to the socket items themselves

bard could get tiny buffs to compensate for no changes because those changes do make the classes much better. give rogue medium buffs to move speed through abilities and one that goes above the cap but only by a tiny bit so it's not too crazy as well as more movement tech, and give fighter and warlock their full HP back to before patch 69, and give barb half of it back or make it's reduction not percentage based but instead a flat number, give druid a slightly lower health potential as a bear, and make it's support spells much stronger (not healing leave that as it is)

what classes haven't I listed... ah cleric just leave it be maybe SLIIIIIGHTLY more move speed

[tawny ivy]

Bring the circle back 🗿

[sullen hull]

Hey all. Been working on a document for proposed changes to Rogue for around a month now. Periodically, I send it in here to get y'alls feedback. If there's anything you think I should add, rework, rephrase, etc. Let me know by either replying or DM-ing me. This will be the final version before I send to developers and make a post on their forms. Thanks y'all. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JUO_i8gwzstmJQ5FoiCuJVrQbbZ0IKNeOK_NpGlQvIY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[pale snow]

"fighter's OP fighter's OP" seven headshots on a bear in norms and still losing as a fighter to four hits be like (three of which where light attacks)

[lime frost]

Guys please go read the "Give sprint to everyone" on test server feedback, id like to hear opinions

[gentle mica]

I already made an excellent list of changes that I think will benefit the game. I have decided to make another one. Many things I say on this list will be repeats but that's ok.

Part 1 -- I will come back and modify later

Weapon tweaks and additions
1.) The Crystal Sword is no longer a magic catalyst and cannot cast spells -- Nobody ever uses it as a catalyst
2.) All weapons' alternative attacks have been replaced with block -- Halberd, Maul, Zweihander, Battle Axe, Double Axe, Crystal Sword
3.) All weapons have been given the ability to block -- Unable to block if dual wielding unless a special bind was added. Weapons in the left hand will block only if there isn't a weapon in the right hand.
4.) All weapons have been given riposte attacks after successfully blocking
5.) You can now feint your attacks with a button of your choosing
6.) All shields can be used to bash by clicking RMB after a successful block -- Bash base damage with each shield is equivalent to that shield's armor rating.
7.) Slow on hit from melee has been raised for all weapons -- Bigger weapons have more, smaller weapons have less
8.) The recovery time after a full combo with a weapon has been increased -- This prevents someone from being infinitely stun-locked
9.) All axes have been given armor penetration -- Double Axe having the most, Hatchet having the least.
8.) New weapons -- Poleaxe, Scimitar, Spiked Club, Caestus, Bladed Gauntlets, Cleaver, Slingshot, Estoc, Goedandag.
9.) Fist weapons now replace your gauntlets and can be worn even while wilding another weapon. -- Caestus, Bladed Gauntlets.
10.) Bows can now only be wielded by the Ranger and Fighter

11.) The Survival Bow is now a utility weapon and has been greatly modified -- The Survival Bow is a tiny, makeshift bow. It's damage should reflect that and not even come close to rivaling that of a powerful Recurve Bow. The Survival Bow now is equipped in your utility slot and does equivalent damage to throwing knives.
12.) Arrows no longer come in stacks of 20, instead they now come in a stack of 16 and to pickup a stray arrow you must have a Quiver in your backpack or in your utility belt, otherwise each arrow takes up it's own space! -- The Squire will give you a Quiver to start with if you have a Bow or Crossbow
13.) Crossbows now take much longer to reload -- Specifically the part of the animation where you pull out and equip the reloading device takes longer, as well as putting it back up
14.) Crossbows can only reload if you have the reloading mechanism in your Utility belt. -- The Merchants you purchase a Crossbow from will automatically give you the reload mechanism, Squire will too. If you loot someone's Crossbow and plan to use it, you must loot their mechanism or find your own
15.) All Bows and Crossbows now have weapon sway while moving
16.) Shields can now properly block thrusting attacks

[lime frost]

2 i dont agree with
3 yes
4 absolutely
5 thats for chivalry but theres no point in this game
6 this should have been in the game when they added shields in..
7 This shouldnt be touched right now.
8 good idea, but wouldnt work for anything other then solos
9 axed pen? no, blunt weapons should though
8.2 new weapons are good ideas
9.2 Great idea about fist weapons, but should not slow enemies.
10 bows should only be wielded by ranger, crowssbow on fighter

11, bows literally take skill to use irl, you have to actually train to be able to use one, so instead, it should hit "within an area" not directly in the center

13, crossbows now are fine as long as the bolts are unloaded when its not in your hand (makes no sense to pack a loaded crossbow, the bolt would fall out)
14 that would be a pain in the ass, no thanks

Technically crossbows are more user friendly then bows, so more classes should be able to use those over bows

[gentle mica]

Part 2

Perk and Skill tweaks and additions
Fighter (Mostly)
1.) Victory Strike now restores 20% HP on use instead of on a finishing blow -- Cooldown time 45 seconds
2.) Second Wind and Adrenaline Rush are combined into a single skill: Second Wind -- You now gain only 30% of your HP over 10 seconds. You now gain 30% action speed for 5 seconds. No more downside. Cooldown time 120 seconds, cannot be restored by bonfire as it isn't necessary anymore.
3.) New Perk: Polearm Mastery - Gain the ability to wield all polearms more efficiently. While wielding a polearm (Spear, Bardiche, Halberd, Poleaxe) gain 2 weapon damage and 10% action speed
4.) Shield Slam now has a much smaller cooldown and can be used before and after your weapon combo.
5.) Perfect Block now lasts for 10 seconds and recharges every 30 seconds
6.) Sprint and Backstep have been removed.
7.)Rage and Phantomize no longer give additional movespeed, but instead remove the movespeed penalty for all actively equipped weapons.
8.) Spell Reflect duration changed from 3 to 8 seconds. Cooldown time 30 seconds.
9.) Breakthrough has been changed to a perk and now gives an 80% reduction to slow on hit. Activates upon receiving physical damage and stays active for 8 seconds. Cooldown time 45 seconds.

[crude hill]

SDF : "Continuous Dungeon will help players escape easily, and other players will fill the spots of players who escaped..."

In case he is talking about filling in real time and not during waiting time between layers only.

Many people won't like to be forcibly placed into an started match. So i recommend you to let players choose whether to join that match or not by giving them the exact time left in the first layer. I personally wouldn't care if you place me into an started game but there will be a lot of players (very noisy) complaining, so take it in count.

[gentle mica]

Rogue
1.) Hide now only makes you mostly transparent and has been changed to a perk. -- All perks associated with Hide have been removed. This change allows Rogues to be hidden from Mobs detection by an additional 60%, and if in a good position, blend right into the environment.
2) Tumbling animation is now much quicker. Cooldown time 10 seconds
3.) Dagger Mastery and Thrust have been combined. -- Gain 2 weapon damage, 10% action speed and 15% armor penetration when wielding daggers
4.) Pickpocket, Creep, and Lockpicking Mastery have been removed and are now passive abilities when playing as a Rogue.
5.) New Skill: Ambush -- Gain 1.5x damage when attacking from behind, gain 15% movepeed and action speed for 4 seconds. Cooldown time 60 seconds

Ranger
1.) Chase footsteps now show where an enemy was 10 seconds ago
2.) Multishot has been removed
3.) Forceful Shot now only applies to the first arrow fired. Cooldown time 30 seconds
4.) Rangers can now wield spears by default and Spear Proficiency is removed

Barbarian
1.) Achilles Strike is now on a timer. Active Time 5 seconds Cooldown Time 60 seconds
2.) Rage and Warcry have been combined and greatly tweaked. -- Gain 20 HP, Allies Gain 20 HP, Gain 2 weapon damage for 10 seconds. You now gain 10% action speed for 5 seconds. Cooldown time 120 seconds. Cannot be restored at a bonfire as it isn't necessary.
3.) Robust has been removed
4.) Berserker has now been removed and is a passive ability while playing Barbarian
5.) Iron Will has been tweaked -- Gain 60 magic resistance. Gain knockback immunity when attacked for 8 seconds. Cooldown Time 45 seconds.
6.) War Sacrifice has been removed
7.) Blood Exchange slight tweak -- Now gain 5% max HP per hit, Only lose 12% of Max HP.
8.) Reckless Attack and Executionor combined into a skill: Reckless Attack -- Now gain 35% extra damage on your next headshot. The skill is not consumed until you land a headshot, Cooldown time 60 seconds.

Druid
1.) Shapeshifting now has a cooldown time. -- Each animal gets a different cooldown time, with the bigger animals having a longer time and the smaller ones having a shorter time. This works both ways, as shifting into an animal will mean that trying to change back into a human can take some time. This eliminates Druids abusing mobility of multiple different animals and endlessly changing back and forth over and over.
2.) Shapeshifting Mastery tweaks -- Now has a cooldown time and can only be used 2x (So for example you could instantly change form into a Bear and back into a Human, then the perk is on cooldown for 60 seconds)

Warlock
1.) Torture Mastery is removed and now specific spells now automatically come with magical healing -- Curse of Pain, Power of Sacrifice, Life Drain etc.
2.) Life Drain tweaks -- Damage Increased to 10 base magical, Heal only 50% of damage dealt. Can now be used while moving.
3.) Hydra tweaks -- Hydra can no longer be used to heal off of. Hydra HP cost greatly reduced. Hydra HP changed to 120 but the active time is now 20 seconds.
4.) Dark Offering tweaks -- Lose 8% of your maximum HP when channeling. Gain 2 weapon damage upon usage (cannot be stacked) Gain 2 magical damage upon usage (cannot be stacked), and 10% action speed for 10 seconds. Gain 1 darkness shard per tick. Can be used while moving. Cooldown time 60 seconds.
5.) Blow of Corruption tweaks -- No longer deals any headshot multiplier. Deals 25 magical danage. Completely Stops magical healing for 6 seconds. Cooldown time 60 seconds.
6.) Phantomize tweaks -- Can now phase through doors, but take 15% Max HP if you do. Taking magical damage will now cause the effects of the skill to shorten in time, as well as passing through doors or other physical props.
7.) Blood Pact tweaks -- Gain a magical damaging aura around you during transformation that deals 3 magical damage per 0.2 seconds. No longer take damage during transformation. Transformation now only lasts for 12 seconds.
Unequip and lose access to all weapons. Gain 20 HP. Claws deal 30 base damage and 2 true magical damage. Can still use all spells. Lose all movespeed penalties from armor and weapons. Each Darkness shard that was consumed gives you 3% physical and 3% magical damage reduction.

[gentle mica]

Bard
Idk what the heck IM was thinking with bard, but there is so much that needs changing and so much work that I do NOT even want to type it all out nor do I play Bard enough to know exactly how to fix the class.
I do know that a Bard is SUPPOSED to be a SUPPORT based class that is tied to his instruments, so maybe tweak most of his music to be such and lower all of his stats so that way he isn't just a better slayer fighter.

Wizard, Warlock and Cleric need more spells.

Part 3 (Wip)

Damage Mechanics tweaks and addition
1.) When attacking from behind with any weapon gain 15% backstab power as any class -- Sort of a pseudo assassination mechanic
2.) Hitting the legs with any weapon now applies additional slow on hit
3.) Killing any mob will give you a little bit of HP back. The amount restored depends on the mob difficulty.

[abstract bone]

so you entirely just suggested already gutting one of the worst classes ingame even more.

[gentle mica]

I just read this and have a few replies but I will keep it short to not clutter
Just because another game has it doesn't mean it wouldn't be a very useful tool. Being able to feint your weapon would add a whole new layer to combat, especially if every weapon can riposte and block, you don't want to give your opponent a free parry.
Armor penetration on axes makes sense logically. Axes are as heavy and even heavier than war hammers and maces, and even though they have blades, they also have most of their weight at the top, allowing them to transfer energy through armor- thus armor penetration fits perfectly.
Again? You can say you disagree, but telling me my ideas aren't great is kind of a jerk move. Everyone has their own opinions about what would be good in the game. I encourage you to share, but if you are going to insult me at least explain yourself.
I agree, either weapon sway or a "cone" instead of pin point accuracy. Something needs to change.
OK, just say disagree? Me reading what you have typed was a pain in the ass.

[abstract bone]

reading every garbage suggestion ur putting in suggestion discussion is a pain in the ass to read. you are sitting here showing clear bias towards classes you (or your friends) play whilst every class you've skill issue lost against needs to be gutted. quite a few suggestions you've listed are honestly skill issues.

It's very mobile for the fact it dies in 2 swings if druids wanna do any relevent damage. sorry you lost to the worst class in the game.

dying to a bear now is insane lol.

i'm willin to sit here and agrue this. you are clearly just showing bias towards warlock. "ah yess i need to be able to walk through doors and be able to heal off every enemy i've dotted and trained into this enemy team for my insane 3v1 clip" bro please gtfo out lol. lets cap warlock curses to only one at a time. no more mass warlock cursing.

No it's not lol. only thing flawed about warlock is its very courteous hitboxes for every spell.

"Great games that died:
Exanima
Dark and Darker" in your bio. in your eyes this game died just leave already then. Clearly you are trying to suggest the game into a much worst off postion to fit a way you play. sorry you can't adapt to the dungeons lol.

go back thru and read what you've suggested lol. "2.) Multishot has been removed"
"3.) Robust has been removed"
"Idk what the heck IM was thinking with bard, but there is so much that needs changing and so much work that I do NOT even want to type it all out nor do I play Bard enough to know exactly how to fix the class."
Oops sorry the support class that has 50 more inputs a second than you is more powerful than you when played right.
The fact you claim robust and multishots need to be removed is crazy.

so you don't play druid. got it. i mean it's really showing you don't play the game anymore.

only brought it up cuz you claim the game is dead. i also wanted to see how new u were.

You obviously don't play druid lol. if you can sit here and calim "druid is a better barb" and if you think dreamwalk is genuinely actually good. it's in your profile bio great games that have died. You typed that no one else buddo.

you can't stand what you typed being brought up? you immedietly gotta play the "well you need to strength your case" no i don't every suggestion you make by anyone who reletively plays the game can see that YOU DONT PLAY. keep playing chiv

[gentle mica]

oh and before I delete evrything, you are blocked. I hope you learn to grow as a person and figure out how to properly debate with someone without resorting to childish tactics that would get you no where in the real world. goodbye now. the next thing you typed I wont be reading.

[abstract bone]

I'm putting down your garbage suggestions to make the class you play leagues ahead of everyone else whilst already being ahead. Block me i don't care ill be living rent free in ur head every day.

[round pewter]

Hit marker sound effects for arrows

[ashen canyon]

already is one at close range, at far range it's moreso a guess though.

[leaden galleon]

make it so you can load bows and crossbows etc. in the lobby so you dont have to waste time at the start of the game

[jolly vortex]

Improve the blocking system, or add a personal blacklist. I don't want to come across the same players who will teamkill at the beginning of the game, or steals your items and leaves without saying anything.

[lusty stream]

https://www.twitch.tv/sparkykawa/clip/DignifiedOptimisticBulgogiKappaPride-o5mtVsnABox4Vxa_

[stoic gale]

named zwei any time you hit an enemy you gain a certain amount of action speed and it stacks a certain amount of time.

named pavise that if you right click you dash forward and shield slam

a named rondel that if you hit a player it slows them down but has a 45 sec cool down

named bardiche that if you hit a player with a shield you do 30% of the bardiche dmg

named spear that extends like hald a spear length after a certain amount of swings or instead of extend it can do crit dmg like a head shot to the body.

a windlass that if you hit the player it pulls you closer the the play with the windlass slowly or slows you down like a achiles strike

named castilon dagger but when it hits you multiple times it causes blood loss and you get slow and screen goes a red tint a get hit with a rupture

[leaden galleon]

https://gyazo.com/84590d8354b8f95466c3706c1e7ebc08
crystal sword warlock with dark offering, seems balanced to me ngl 115% magic dmg and 39% phy dmg not even bis build

[leaden galleon]

a good way to make this game good is by removing warlock and druid

or actually make a patch where you try to balance them without buffing at the same time

[leaden galleon]

and make it so different tiers of weapons with armor pen is varied so common might have like 5% and then leg might have the 40% or something like that

[lime frost]

Meant no harm, you posted changes you would like to see, and while taking the balance of the game into account i disagree with some, and agree with others, i dont know why you decided to only focus on the negatives instead of the things we both agree with.

The reason the chivalry style gameplay wouldnt work is because right now even the parry on the LS is ass so they would have to work on their netcode more and im not even sure if the game engine would be able to work around it since the game was not based upon that style anyways.

"Me reading what you have typed was a pain in the ass"
thanks. it was alot less then what you typed and at least i was trying to be polite about it.

Axes with armor pen makes sense, but they already do huge damage, it would be overboard.

Weapon fients would be cool, but again this game would have to have an entire weapon rework similar to for honor or chivalry and that would take a ton of work

me not agreeing with alternate attacks being taken out is because i like the alternate attacks, instead a compromise would be to have alternate attacks while holding block on say.. the halberd

thats all i have to say for now about this.

[fossil musk]

Suggestion for Marketplace. When searching for tags (such as those in 'item name'; 'rarity'; 'class' etc.) keep the search text box selected after each search without needing to select 'Enter text to find'. For example if I'm searching for 'max health' under random attributes, when i select 'max health' allow me to keep typing without having to re-select the text box after.

[celest trail]

this is the most bs list ive ever read, this is purely a skill issue. This is the reason this game has gone downhill from the beginning. The point of this game wasn't to be easy.

[languid thorn]

Add this to the game weapons to fix stabs thru shields:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofzP2_v6BxY

[gentle mica]

because if you agree then theres no need for me to respond of course.
I said it was a pain in the ass because that is literally what you said to me I was just lashing back lol
all in good fun dude
not all axes do huge damage
the horsemens axe and the hatchet and the battle axe suck
I know barbarian has the axe perk

[gentle mica]

how is stating facts an issue to you? I am just stating what the survival bow is
most players agree that it is in a bad spot, if you disagree thats ok
instead of outwardly insulting me, why not post counter points to why the survival bow should rival that of a full sized battlefield ready recurve bow? or are insults all that you have?
rage baiting is what the new generation calls it, I hope that you're here for a proper debate and not just trying to troll me, because the block button is just moments away!

[gentle mica]

I agree 100%! I will add that to the list

[celest trail]

From your list: 1. why remove additions to the game just because popularity isnt high 2/3/4. absolutely not, there are different weapons in this game that perform different task and do better in different situations, this would decrease versatility 5. this could be a cool feature but this is a dungeon crawler style game this would focus on pvp too much 6. This would be a spam ability and hell would break loose in community 7. i agree slightly but the change would need to be super small 8. i do not think there is an infinite stunlock in this game and when there is that just means you are playing really geared lobbies so expect it 9. i could understand this 10/11. always ready for new weapons 12. the surv bow is an a mid spot but that can be changed with a simple change in meta 13.not sure about how quivers will work 14.disagree 15.agree 16.agree

[celest trail]

i do not agree with almost any of your specifc class changes, you are naming almost reworks.

every glass is good in its on way. Yes some may be better at this current time with whatever metas are popular but that does not mean to entirely change 7/10 of a classes perks and skills

There should always be a weakness to every class and at this point and time there is

[gentle mica]

1.) you asked me why I would remove Crystal Sword ability to cast? I literally commented the answer right after I typed the change dude go back and read. Nobody ever uses it as a catalyst!
2.) the reason I would remove alternative attacks is explained if you keep reading!
3.) wait you dont want all the weapons to be able to block? why not xD you are just no no no! and not even stating why lol -- not that you have to do anything but still kind of funny
4.) you don't want to see riposte for all weapons? ok Idk what to say I thought it would be nice and sad to see you dont agree. Versatility would stay the same because every weapon is different anyway. Nobody uses the War Maul alternative attack, at least in combat. Same with the other weapons outside the Halberd. I, and I assume that many other people would prefer to be able to block.
5.) The game already focuses on pvp dude! It's marketed as a primarily PVE game, but it is BALANCED specifically FOR pvp! Notice the gamemode called Arena DEDICATED TO pvp! It is a pvp game as well as pve.
6.) I will agree to disagree on that one. Shield play is stale right now and needs something new.
8.) No there isn't see you aren't even absorbing all the information dude you are tunnel visioned! Allow me to explain, the reason the cooldown after combo would happen is BECAUSE BEFORE THIS SUGGESTION I suggested AN INCREASE in slow on hit from weapons. This would make faster weapons infinitely stunlock you!
12.) many many many people disagree and think the survival bow is completely overtuned. Not going to continue to argue on that one.
14.) jus ttrying to clip the ranged meta the myself, and the majority of the community thinks that needs to be changed drastically.

[languid thorn]

what list?

[stoic gale]

named pavise that if you right click you dash forward and shield slam
a named rondel that if you hit a player it slows them down but has a 45 sec cool down
named bardiche that if you hit a player with a shield you do 30% of the bardiche dmg
named spear that extends like hald a spear length after a certain amount of swings or instead of extend it can do crit dmg like a head shot to the body.
a windlass that if you hit the player it pulls you closer the the play with the windlass slowly or slows you down like a achiles strike
named castilon dagger but when it hits you multiple times it causes blood loss and you get slow and screen goes a red tint a get hit with a rupture

[jolly leaf]

Some idea I had to improve test server and the use of the suggestions website https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[ashen canyon]

That shouldn't be a thing, if your gear gets taken like that the goblin should give it back to you as soon as he extracts with it, If I'm not mistaken. Don't quote me on that they may have disabled that feature I'm not sure.

[leaden galleon]

druid:

1. remove leap
2. remove instacast
   3)remove perk which does 5true on hit
   Warlock:
3. remove phantomize
4. remove torture mastery
5. nerf demon stacks dmg
   fighter:
6. nerf speed boost
7. only allow them to use crossbows
   wizard:
8. buff hp
9. nerf fireball splash dmg
10. buff fireball direct it
11. nerf explosion
    barb:
12. nerf max health
    rogue:
13. nerf landmine rogue
14. increase dagger dmg by 1-2
    lemme know if u agree / disagree

[ashen canyon]

Druid:
1: No I think they need that mobility, the class doesn't really excel at anything specific unless you build into it directly.
2: I agree that Instacast is a little too overzealous, put a charge counter of like three and let them still get off the combo for mobility and such, but limit it.
3: Again I don't really think this is necessary however I don't think it should be a spell and a perk.
Warlock:
1: I believe that is fine, honestly you can still hit them with AOE and such as well as the duration isn't really crazy, maybe shorten it a bit though?
2: Ima say pass on that I think its in a good spot, just makes you have to figure out okay and I fighting this guy or backing off.
3: I am not going to give an opinion on this as I don't know what you mean or what it is.
Fighter:
1: I mean nerfing that removes full plate entirely from the concept of viable builds, I can agree to lessening it based on what your move speed is before you activate it, if its higher you get less and if it's lower you get more.
2: I mean your really killing a lot of peoples ability to branch out with fighter, granted I hate rondel fighter as much as the next guy I rather like Longbow on him, maybe limit it somehow?
Wizard:
1: Yes. Nuff said.
2&3: Yes and Yes
4: Eh... I could live with or without it.
Barb:
1: Yes. Nuff said.
Rogue:
1: It's kinda already gutted into the ground unless your bissed out, meh.
2: Maybe be like one, but they already have high enough action speed they should be fine with them.

[leaden galleon]

thx I see your point but for the leap I mean by the fact that they added a move speed cap but a druid can jump across a room in 0.2 seconds with it so whats the point

its not for building anything its just the fact that you can controll the fight on anyone, losing run away , winning charge at them and they cant run

[ashen canyon]

That's why I say give them three charges and make it more punishing if you mess it up, giving a little bit of area to deal with them a bit better.

[leaden galleon]

agreed

[ashen canyon]

any other points you want to delve deeper on?

[leaden galleon]

nha just wanted to say things that i feel like they need to work on
and hopefully are reading this rn and work on some of this stuff

[ashen canyon]

👍 Alright my brother.

[leaden galleon]

❤️

[leaden galleon]

and of course i run into a full plate warlock with 150hp doing 1/5 my hp with curse of pain
why wouldnt that be a thing

[leaden galleon]

not even worth wasting time on this game when they wont nerf anything and all they talk about in patches is " balancing " crazy

[stoic gale]

named pavise that if you right click you dash forward and shield slam
a named rondel that if you hit a player it slows them down but has a 45 sec cool down
named bardiche that if you hit a player with a shield you do 30% of the bardiche dmg
named spear that extends like hald a spear length after a certain amount of swings or instead of extend it can do crit dmg like a head shot to the body.
a windlass that if you hit the player it pulls you closer the the play with the windlass slowly or slows you down like a achiles strike
named castilon dagger but when it hits you multiple times it causes blood loss and you get slow and screen goes a red tint a get hit with a rupture

[stoic gale]

yo hopefully in 2 days we get new stuff

[astral reef]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/594314/search-filters-in-stash

[dense flare]

Let us test kits in pre lobby and switch gear in that also let us equip all the armor we want on the dummy so we can see how good it is against any classes

[tame dome]

meme with guy talking to brick wall

[austere bramble]

War maul alt is great for dealing with ppl who just expect left to right

[austere bramble]

Why does wizard need a buff to health it’s not meant to be a tank
Barb has that extra health to compensate for lower pdr and 0 range

[leaden galleon]

lower pdr and 0 range? dude can get 50% pdr and spam throwing axes whilst having 300+ move speed
wizard need like 5-10 extra hp unless u build full hp ur getting 2 tapped

also i love having 30% magic resistance and 1 curse of pain doing 50hp really takes too much skill

must be a skill dif

[austere bramble]

Wizard can snipe me from a mile away and frannys have a base of 10 damage
Rogues have throwing knives which deal fractionally less damage but come out way faster and they rogues also have xbows

[abstract bone]

why doesn't cleric or druid have extra health to compensate for 0 ranged.

[austere bramble]

Druid has tp, cleric has judgement tho should probably still get a slight health buff

[umbral stirrup]

Sniped by a wizard from a mile away? Just move a foot to the right

[austere bramble]

dying to barbs? just stop trying to outdamage them in a slap fight

[umbral stirrup]

Exactly

[celest trail]

demons glee fighter for the win 😎

[hollow remnant]

When is evile eye coming back :(

[tawny python]

can we fix weapon mastery the penality doesn't apply @keen onyx @dawn grotto

[hybrid holly]

I would like the ability to reset the quest achievement for each character.
After all, you delete a character and do the quest again, so it's the same thing.

[arctic bough]

Allow bard instruments to come back to the player via goblin merchant. That is all.

[timber juniper]

let me spectate games without entering, live gameplay or by old replays, whichever. it would help me learn parts of the game and it would help catch cheaters

[outer sable]

Actually implement the dummy room they promised. Lololol

[split herald]

AK-47

[gentle mica]

damn whn is the update I need some content

[gentle mica]

sdf did a Q&A on that and already said what he was going to do check #dev-qna

[stoic gale]

named pavise that if you right click you dash forward and shield slam
a named rondel that if you hit a player it slows them down but has a 45 sec cool down
named bardiche that if you hit a player with a shield you do 30% of the bardiche dmg
named spear that extends like hald a spear length after a certain amount of swings or instead of extend it can do crit dmg like a head shot to the body.
a windlass that if you hit the player it pulls you closer the the play with the windlass slowly or slows you down like a achiles strike
named castilon dagger but when it hits you multiple times it causes blood loss and you get slow and screen goes a red tint a get hit with a rupture

[proven valley]

make gmerchant store lost loot for like 12 hours, let me go to bed after a loss zzz

[real trellis]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/594956/expressman-should-have-a-squire-reequip-function

[obtuse sorrel]

Ironmace please add a second dialog check when removing a friend. I keep removing after moving too fast and trying to hit invite.

[earnest swift]

sounds like a feature to waste development time on to make getting by on the skin of ur teeth easier. insert just dont die meme bottom text

[stoic gale]

named pavise that if you right click you dash forward and shield slam
a named rondel that if you hit a player it slows them down but has a 45 sec cool down
named bardiche that if you hit a player with a shield you do 30% of the bardiche dmg
named spear that extends like hald a spear length after a certain amount of swings or instead of extend it can do crit dmg like a head shot to the body.
a windlass that if you hit the player it pulls you closer the the play with the windlass slowly or slows you down like a achiles strike
named castilon dagger but when it hits you multiple times it causes blood loss and you get slow and screen goes a red tint a get hit with a rupture

[hybrid marlin]

I get punished for killing a random teamate who attacked me first and kept attacking me?

[coral heron]

@keen onyx I suggest we have a set patch time and day. with it randomly changing it messes stuff up... seriously, if I wake up early cause as a dad that's the ONLY time I can play, I should know what days to not waste my entire morning...

[keen eagle]

😿

[icy knot]

It sounds like you are Rogue main XD

[dense flare]

he is deffenatly a rogue main 🤣

[umbral stirrup]

No point in bringing multiple crossbows anymore. When they are swapped out they are unloaded. This was implemented last patch

[fresh heath]

Ah I wasn't aware

[leaden galleon]

i havent played rogue since the game first came out, it doesnt fit my play style what so ever and i dont personally like it

and what is this new patch bro like i dont get it

[hazy galleon]

Would love to see a pickaxe added to squire once you get max affinity with the woodsman.

[leaden galleon]

Would love to see a good patch added havent seen one in a while

[hazy galleon]

Added a suggestion to include pickaxe at the Squire. Nothing major here, but a QoL win for miners and people who want more high-end gear in the game. Would appreciate some upvotes if you like the idea 🙂

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/595049/add-pickaxe-to-squire-plz

[jolly leaf]

Look at the existing suggestion (there is search bar). Pretty sure there is already a suggestion about that with some upvote already
(There is a few but with 1 or 2 vote only so i'll upvote yours)

[mossy summit]

ADD REGIONAL BLOCK

[abstract bone]

you run 2 + survival bow for fast reload time.

[umbral stirrup]

Running 2 survival bows, and none in the inventory, right?

Or 2 crossbows and 2 survival bows?

[abstract bone]

i've done 9 225+ HR games outta those 9 7 of the games i ran into someone running 2 xbows. + a survival bow for a fast swap/reload whilsts just bhopping backwards after each shot.

[empty crypt]

Hire the announcer from Halo 3 to announce different medals and achievements in arena. This could also be put into non arena. The reason to hire the halo 3 announcer is that it will draw a lot of new players because the halo announcers following is the key here. Everyone loved getting kills and multi kills on halo because of this guy and this guy alone. I have no doubt in my mind that adding medals, multi kill medals, killing spree type crap will increase the population on the game as it will be nostalgia for old gamers but also a lot more fun to get kills in general. Imagine flexing your perfect lobby wipe medal when you single-handedly killed every player in the lobby without dying or someering like that and the halo 3 guy announcer says “PERFECTION”. I’d bust ngl. Then you can take this into different game modes for arena like CTF, KoTH, etc.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/595118/medals-and-achievements-for-arena-with-an-announcer-specifically-the-announcer-u

[barren grove]

stash quality of life. quest log quality of life. being able to sort stash automatically. being able to delete items with mouse instead of going to armorer and sell 0 gold value item.. quest log being able to sort quests for location / type of quest

also add quality of life to flea market. not being able to check the price of something on the same window is really hard and selling takes ages

it makes me hate selling because it takes away most of my time playing. please if someone is reading this. remember the idea

a good example ( that i really want) with flea market QOL is: 1) hover mouse on item. window shows minimum value on market. average value. and highest value ) . this will make selling items faster

i have 20 different lockets and pendants with different effects that i want to sell. it will take me ages to do

[jolly leaf]

Regional block?

[rough sphinx]

GAME BACK TO TERMINATING AFTER MATCHES

[fathom bolt]

need the halo 3 announcer to say "THIIIRDD PARTTYY" whenever i die to a barb who shows up immediately after i kill someone

[jolly leaf]

Or "E-E-E-ESP CHEATER!!"

[empty crypt]

LMAO. “CYCLOPS JIGGLE PHYSICS”

[brazen mesa]

nerf warlocks

NERF WARLOCK! tired of running into other teams that are all warlocks

[full kiln]

Add something to walls to help deter cheaters? Like player id's or outlines filling will ruining hacks?

[valid rivet]

Provide Rangers with aarows in Arena. If you lose and queue up without buying them you enter with none. Its a requierment to play the class, why isnt the default to provide them or give them back to you after the game?

[static hare]

What would be the outcome to adding mdr of a small % on all gear above Uncommon and Greatly increases when u get Epic and Higher?

[static hare]

Would adding a ranged dmg modifier where Survival, Recurve, Long, and the Crossbows all had different large falloffs and make headshot dmg greater be such a terrible change?

[empty crypt]

The bows have damage fall off and range fall offs

[oblique rune]

i think it would be nice to have a private arena mode where you can take your party in, to teach new people movement, swinging of weapons, dodging. kinda like a PVP bootcamp

[ashen canyon]

Only thing that would do would be making range weapons do more, just adding another bis roll to look out for.

[high meadow]

get rid of the chinese

[coral viper]

add trade volume heuristic for active item search filter

[orchid quartz]

Darkgrove Robe still missing from Merchants and Squire, please add it

[undone lake]

You guys need to think of other ways to tune bows other than lower weapon damage. The issue is they’re no downsides to bows. You have to increase damage falloff even more. Casters need to be within punishable distant. This should be across the board with range anything in this game. They hit way to hard from extreme distances and can spam because you also allow bow users to essentially have infinite shots. When do bow users ever run out of arrows, never. Add quiver or increase arrow stacks to 50 and limit it to 50 in an inventory at a time. Even this is not enough as you have fighters and bards doing the same thing. Completely remove bows from both bard and fighter or give everyone the ability to use bows and spells. This game is nothing but getting ppl low with range before engaging. Is your envision to turn this game into call of dust or what

[clever idol]

arena healing needs a nerf, every 30 seconds or so ALL healing should be reduced by 10-15%

[inland granite]

Bro why i keep getting 20gs people trying to loot in the arena

[abstract bone]

give druid throwing knives.

[plush glen]

ur a real person.

[leaden galleon]

youve never played this game before have you

[lusty stream]

Bring back regular interaction speed. Removing the roll nerfed pickpocket max RIS from ~175 to ~125 TT

[mossy summit]

Yes, i mean add it again they removed it and now u cant get lobby without chinese

[pale snow]

give monk elemental magical damage attacks and skills in the form of perks, like thunderstep being a quick teleport that damages enemies in the path between the short range teleport, fire fist that shoots an extremely short range cone of fire for medium damage as an ability, frozen shields that reflect damage as an ability, and a perk granting holy damage to melee attacks (albeit a minor bonus but have it change the full attack to diving magical damage instead of adding a small amount of magical weapon damage) and maybe dark skills which all do dark damage and they aren't compatible with each other (meaning you can equip elemental/divine at the same time as the dark stuff)

when it comes out of course but still

[frail wolf]

Separate karma reports from teamkill reports. I'm tired of being teamkilled with absolutelly no consequence just because I got pink name

[coral heron]

founders edition should give you a per account, once every 3 days HR forgiveness IF you D/C. you would have to not die from mobs or players but the dungeon, and be D/C-ed, the forgiveness can be even just a half penalty, or only forgiven if you already made enough points to cover your fee.

[latent tundra]

I dont like the new system for arenas, now everyone brings in an inventory full of potions, it makes poke-battles last forever (I am guilty of doing it too, now)

[lilac garden]

perma ban team killers in arena

[rugged summit]

Yeah the Arena changes are not a good idea.

[steel trellis]

Please get rid of Mobs in Arena agin it just sucks ass

[sick kraken]

I think arena was better without mobs and with a lose getting rid of not found or made equipment. Do that 💪

[jolly leaf]

Graysun talked about that earlier today #the-tavern message they made that change (the gear part) to get as many people in arena as possible to gather data for the ranking system. I hope it's not meant to stay

And about mobs I don't know. Maybe remove the mini boss, but I kinda like mobs in arena

[round pewter]

nah mobs should definetly go

[polar crescent]

i dont think the mobs in general are bad but those champs and mini bosses are too much for arena

[barren grove]

better flea market system

[rare sparrow]

lets walk back on that arena gear change sdf

[coral viper]

Its messy but I have to admit that using it temporarily to get better data for matchmaking makes a lot of sense. Would be nice if it didn't delete many millions of gold in kit though.

[rare sparrow]

hows that improve matchmaking tho now if u want a frost amulet with max health its 12k

now i can just gear up my wizard and run a bis kit since i have a lot of money which is gonna be even more aids for people that dont have as much gold

so now arena is just who has more gold and runs a better team comp

[coral viper]

Yeah, short term. I get the impression they're trying to get it over with quickly for better matchmaking in the future.

[rare sparrow]

yeah i guess. arena is just so busted atm and probably partially because of the change. also largely because people just wont stop running meta comps

[hearty epoch]

can we get someway to practice vs bosses like a arena or something for this cuz the wait in between retries makes it really hard to learn the fights as a newer player

[barren grove]

yes please. some sort of sandbox to train on mobs and parries would be a great idea

[hearty epoch]

yeah when i try to practice i cant cuz other teams rush me or shoot arrows at me to the point i have to give up even learning cuz of people and then wait to even think about trying is 8 min between

[torn goblet]

why are coin bags still unique quality? i'd like to bring them into normals

[ashen canyon]

Because they want you to go for gear, not gold. People would legit go in with just squire gear and five gold bags to come out with 250 gold, it’s not what they want you to go in for. They want you to go in for gear and sell that, making a market place viable, if not for that only bis gear would be picked up to be sold anything else, “meh I can just grab the gold.” Mentality would form.

[hidden hemlock]

Spiders should go

[elder sigil]

There needs to be loading screen art of the unique weapons being used, like a guy being stabbed and electrocuted by fulgor would be a sweet loading screen

[ornate mauve]

(Just a suggestion. Please don’t come at me saying I suck. I know I do. 😐👍🏻)
In arena make it to where you can’t turn off the dungeon/ map lights. Pretty toxic to play in the dark especially when the other team is rangers or rouge and they keep turning the lights off.

[blazing condor]

Maybe ADD Leaderboard like that ( 12312 Dungeon, 5342 Arena 2355 Lobby )

[valid rivet]

Rogue stealth perk suggestion

"Allows hide to be used for 60 seconds, with unlimited steps but reduces move speed by 40%. must remain crouched to maintain hide effect, any action or cast breaks hide"

You could combine two of the perks into one (moving in hide, and hide duration) and and change the moving in hide perk to something else.

Adding a negative effect like getting to close to pve mobs, or lingering in their vicintiy alerts them, failing to create distance will allow the pve mobs within a set distance see the rogue as if they were not hiding could help any pve abuse someone might come up with

So you could be extremely sneaky, but slow. You die in one or two hits anyway, so it would be cool if you could actually sneak across a module and get up behind someone rather than waiting for them to maybe path close enough to you

[halcyon flame]

That would be broken as hell ngl. And pdr rogues with 145 hp do not die in “one or two hits”.

[polar crescent]

also even with all those stats landmind rogue would go crazy and that is never actually fun

[polar crescent]

i would love to get an autosort function at some point

[valid rivet]

All 3 of them? I haven't ever seen a rogue trying to build for pdr yet

I think it would only be broken for classes who build absolutely no HP, they can't even win an equal trade with a ranger in meele right now

[halcyon flame]

Pretty much every rogue I see in HR builds HP and/or PDR because they are weak as hell without it. Not saying that rogue is in a good spot rn, it needs a buff. But what you’re suggesting is way too overpowered imo

[halcyon flame]

True

[high umbra]

Arena Suggestion,

minimum gear score of 250

im tired of getting into a game, and having my team mates be squire gear and getting 1 tapped by everyone.

i aint good enough to 1 v3 lol

[jolly leaf]

Imo what rogue need is a rework. You shouldn't have to build HP and PDR to do something as a Rogue, that sounds wrong. But I agree landmine is terrible and unfun for everyone, that don't mean we have to remove hide tho. Something like that would ve awesome imo https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/563627/rogue-rework-suggestion-master-of-poisons

[signal moth]

Should slayer fighter get more content? Maybe a rework to where you only lose plate in return for the +5 weapon when both hands are full with a weapon which lets him use 2-handers?

Plus a polearm mastery alongside it as a bonus?

[jaunty iron]

if they wont simply add hover-text for buffs and debuffs... can we at least get an in-game index or something where I can see each icon and read the effects?
Why do I have to go google what exactly a protection shrine does?

[tacit dew]

Gear-based matchmaking should be calculated per individual modifiers, weighting some differently. New players that run it back with the gear they found in the previous match are currently pitted against others who min-max. I don't see anything negative from this, only positives.

[fossil moth]

Suggestion ,

either nerf cleric/bard or buff anti heal skills/util (add more anti heal)

[jolly leaf]

That would be ideal at first sight, but in fact probably very hard and time comsuming to balance. Because obviously stat like physical/magical damage etc will have a lot of weight while Buff duration and ressourcefulness are going to weight less. Issues is that se class can do broken build with those "weak" stat so this weight system is just going to create new meta

[jolly leaf]

You'll end up seeing Warlock min maxing Buff duration/ressourcefulness + memory capacity gear to do 10 spell Eldritch shield, Power of sacrifice + infinite Dark Offering build or shit like that

[jagged shore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290026042907562025/1310274706078695535/image.png?ex=67449fe9&is=67434e69&hm=983460177f4988b3206d9fc77050d14e13e99498513a29574d80afca62427932&

[spiral token]

Suggestion for a caster-spell - Turning on or off all lights/roasters in a certain radius. Maybe with a cooldown/reverse effect. Call it breath of fate or something similar.

[slender bear]

Please make classes 1:1:1 for trios so you dont face 3 stupidly broken rangers every single game...🫣

[worthy nymph]

A suggestion that really would work wonders for this game, remove kitting skills from ranger and warlocks, they have high enough damage and other abilities that mean they dont need it.

[valid rivet]

Yes I've always wondered this a simple hover box for buffs and debuffs when you are in an inventory would be great even as simple as

"Elf +10 agility
-1 Strength"
"Potion of Healing
+1 HP/S"

[valid rivet]

I think the entire fight of slayer is to create a hack and slash style of play where you swing quick, but need to be up close and personal

[signal moth]

I agree that that’s how it should play, but in practice it has an extremely high margin or error and is just a more consistent DPS rogue

[pale fjord]

You do realize crouching heavily reduces your speed right?

[zealous cipher]

Please remove mini bosses from arena. And make the spawns less asymmetrical. For example the spawns in Demon Throne (Inferno) and Guard Posts (Crypts) are so lopsided. It gives such an enormous advantage to one team.

[dense flare]

add a second layer to gc

[gilded sandal]

There should be a hate/racial speech report button that if reviewed and true perma bans people using this lingo. I love the game but I swear people are constantly using hate speech and bigotry talk. I wish they could be atleast perma muted if found guilty.

[torn goblet]

maybe i’d take my gear into high roller if i enjoyed getting ran down by people who have much more experience than me. i’d rather stick to bossing in normals and have the occasional fight

[torn goblet]

u could turn voip off then bang its like you chat banned them yourself

[jolly leaf]

I really hope they're going to update and improve the test server when it'll be available for steam player too. Here's a suggestion with really great idea to improve test server https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[sand bone]

Perhaps adding the expressman to goblin caves actually on the map maybe in the center for a little action point unique kinda deal, maybe randomly spawn him in HR version?

Mage bank 2005 anyone? Very good times thx for the glory and mystic

[zealous cipher]

Please reduce the cooldown and increase the duration of spell reflection. It is already such a niche skill. Why introduce new skills for fighter when they are all useless and people just end up using the same sprint + second wind combo?

[valid rivet]

Yes, the point would be to negate that move speed even further since the idea was to allow them to stay in stealth and move around freely for quite a long time

It would make it so they couldn't effectly cross maps in a fast manner in stealth, and make it harder to sneak up on players

[valid rivet]

Try 224HR it's not so expensive and you won't come across a gearcheck (as long as you are properly gearing for your play style)

[stoic whale]

evidence based teaming reporting system please whats the point if solos if every teams up

[valid rivet]

Exactly, the point of >24 was ment to be for new players to learn the game, or if you really screw your self out of money to still have a place to start over

Also I started doing random trios in HR, I usually just play solo and I notice players often are just leaving very well rolled gear and only taking collectibles gold and gear for the class they are playing

Maybe they don't know what the good rolls are or have no idea how much more money they can make by selling it

Move on to 124 to level your class with some better gear and try some bosses out

Then move on to HR, but A LOT of people don't want too / are scared to learn the pve in HR and just stay in normal lobbies I think the vision was to have everyone progress through normal lobbies pretty quickly and have everyone in the HR lobbies

I think people get overwhelmed with the "HR" term and get gear fear so they just stick to 24 and 124

[pale fjord]

40% is way to much, you'd be moving at like 20% speed at that point, might as well not be moving at all, hell forget sneaking up you'd get more out of staying in one place because if they even slightly move that would add a extra 5 seconds to get to them, this is objectively a terrible idea that wouldn't be useful to anyone other than those wanting to stand in place for 60 seconds to landmine, you would be nerfing your hide at that point instead of helping it

[jolly leaf]

#in-game-reports if you recorded it then use this channel

[compact veldt]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/595645/fog-of-war

[leaden galleon]

i come back to the game and ill i see in my lobbies are full resourcefulness rogues and default pdr fighters all theirs kits worth 100gold

[mortal lodge]

Currently, there’s little diversity in the Top 100, with no Druids, only 2 Rogues, and 4 Barbarians represented, which discourages players of these classes from competing. Additionally, the scoring system disproportionately affects servers like OCE, where players gain only 1–7 points for consecutive wins at higher ranks (2100–2357) but lose over 40 points for a single defeat. This disparity makes it nearly impossible for players in smaller servers to achieve rankings comparable to those on larger servers like Tokyo or Europe, where scores of 2500+ are common. On the OCE server, 2400 seems like the upper limit unless we never lose, which is an unrealistic expectation.

To address these issues, I propose implementing a class-based Top 100 leaderboard where Warlord ranks reward the Top 100 players for each class, encouraging more participation and balance. Additionally, the scoring system should be revised to address server population disparities by setting a maximum score loss cap (e.g., 30 points) and establishing a minimum score gain (e.g., at least 10 points) for victories. It’s disheartening to win a flawless 3:0 match and gain only 1 point. These changes would make the Arena fairer and more rewarding for all players.

[drowsy hearth]

Make arena a permanent mod. it's just annoying to wait for the week end to play it

[urban elm]

Make arena a permanent mod. it's just annoying to wait for the week end to play it

[keen eagle]

Make arena a permanent mod. it's just annoying to wait for the week end to play it

[glacial sphinx]

nah i think its better with limited availability, more players all at once and something to look forward to

[abstract bone]

Remove arena permanently. it's just annoying to wait for the week end to play it.

[coral viper]

Top priority: add different mica vista clap sounds base on hand armor (I know you thought about it)

[barren grove]

a better stash system to make in and out of menu easier. i dread the interface

[dark stump]

any idea why i cant post in lfg? i have tried to the past 2 days and it wont allow me to post.

[merry forum]

how much for a deathbloom avg with magic pwr, max health bonus and debuff duration ?

[jolly leaf]

Ask that in #the-tavern or join the rogue channel id:customize

[spring thorn]

Please disable pickpocketing in Arena! We're not allowed to loot player corpses, and pickpocket should be disabled for the exact same reason.

[jolly leaf]

That's still a thing? They really need to disable it

[spring thorn]

Yes, my teammate got his unequipped legendary windlass lifted off him yesterday. He's still extremely salty about it and I don't blame him!

[graceful frost]

lol

yeah moose on his cleric has a full agi cleric kit to hot swap if he gets in a 1vx would be so funny if that got pick pocketed.

[stark tartan]

can warlock have arming sword plz ❤️

[delicate oyster]

MAKE ARENA PERMANENT holy crap

[jolly leaf]

We can't afford that. The player base is not big enough, if they open arena all the time we'll probably have 2-3 min matchmaking queue in both Arena and in the dungeon (maybe even worst on some map/group size), half empty lobby and thing like that

[delicate oyster]

no way, arena has been POPPING, especially with the new change.

[jolly leaf]

Not really, Arena is limited to Legendary edition player only that already reducing by a lot player who can play it. And yes with the recent change more people played Arena but that's a temporary change to make more people play it to gather data (and even that way in EU we still got between 30sec to more than 1 min queue time, at peak player count with a temporary feature to boost player on arena)

[peak lantern]

after the change on arena people that are done with looting like me really stopped enjoying the dungeons, they should bring arena back for good until the wipe, I was playing 8 hours a day, now 0

[coral heron]

@keen onyx actually fix ruins, its complete shit, worse than before. actually fix it...

[jolly leaf]

How? What's the issues with it? What would you change?

[tired acorn]

arena queues are instant old game is dead empty lobbies

[jolly leaf]

We don't have the same queue then

[coral heron]

the problem spawn rushing with no need for even door use on most modules on ruins let alone having to fight the mobs. it is beyond easy for ppl to rush through rooms, not even aggroing mobs, jumping walls, and attacking in the first. I'm fighting in the first 120s of over half the ruins I play, usually ambushed in my starting room before i have even cleared 3 mobs. shouldn't be able to just run past all the mobs, should have to fight em. shouldn't be able to hop walls, doors should be necessary. every other map does not allow for wall hoping. i think they need to ajust monster placement to make ppl fight mobs before they can get out of their starting room. i think you should have to fight mobs in HR to get from 1 side of a room to another, let alone from room to room. I think you should have to interact with doors to go between modules.

This isn't arena, you should have to engage the mobs, not rush past. it is creating a toxic ambush meta, they know the spawns, and rush them, so unless you wanna spawn rush your self, you cant really clear your tile, you just have to wait to see if ppl are coming so you can fight them without having them third party you while you fight mobs. its a waste of time, and points, allowing ppl who have memorized all the glitch jump spots and paths to play arena in HR while the rest of us play HR... like why even HR? why not just wipe first floor ruins all the way to Demi? screw bosses and mini bosses, screw going down, lets all be rogues and barbs and lets just make HR the arena. no real fights, no real PvE, just annoying ambush tactics, that's why I say to @keen onyx the ruins is more broken then ever./

[jolly leaf]

Your right but imo it's a more global issues not only on Ruins. But they talked about randomized module, hopefully better than just moving module around. Random mob spawn, move lever, ladder when possible, traps etc

[fervent fern]

Put arena for the whole week this game is boring without it

[coral heron]

That's fair, I don't really HR in GC, and I haven't had it happen on frost, but I am sure ppl can do that crap those places too lol/. i do love all the stuff they added to ruins, but still not a fan of the walls not being fixed...

[fair shuttle]

Can we get the 15 hps back that we lost in 69? Everyone mostly buying vigor gear and leg peace necklaces starting at 1k gold when others are 200 really should say a lot about this decision

[jolly leaf]

Well I don't get it too. From what I understood they removed Ruins to fix that, the fact that we could climb everywhere and hop over the wall but that's still a thing, a bit better than old ruin but still. I like the idea of the crow when you climb somewhere but you shouldn't be able to go to an other module by the wall. Or it have to be on purpose, like when the timer is near the end the wall start to collapse and the map litteraly fall into ruin so you can hop over wall and stuff that would prevent the spawn rush and add a really cool mechanic to the map

[hasty pumice]

wiz and bard should get health boost buffs imo

[fair shuttle]

Everyone needs them
Maybe not barbarian but that's about it

[jolly leaf]

This : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eusNKWKROfg I have the same vision than him about that. The game need objective, activity to do IN the dungeon. It could be fishing, it could be a "Forge" to socket the gem on your item, it could be a unique merchant that randomly spawn in the dungeon, a mini PvE Arena that give you loot. There is so much possibility to bring variety, to improve the gameplay loop. I really hope IM, especially SDF will see that and start to consider it.

Have a look at this suggestion, it gather some cool idea https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[crude hill]

Remove shared stash, it is a big long term limitation cause of it's exploitable nature.

[jolly leaf]

I'm not sure to follow you on that. Could you detail?

[crude hill]

Suggestion: Make items rarities and additional stats hidden for those classes not specialized in that field.

This way you could find cheap good items in the market sometimes because there will be players who won't know it's real value and won't make the effort to find other player to rate it (Trading post).

Also you could do things like ask armorer merchant with high affinity to rate your plate chest for gold.

More class identity, less gold for those who want to rate an item through merchants and more sociability.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/596076/item-rating

[crude hill]

I thought many time about cool ideas and shared stash blocks them or makes them harder to implement without exploiting risk.

I don't think we never really needed it and it already created bad practices like picking all you see in dungeon since if you don't need it with your actual class you will need it with the rest.

Diogenes syndrome

[mystic silo]

id really like the test server to get updated to the current build of dark and darker

[stoic gale]

give us more content to play with

[mystic silo]

nah man the shared stash page is such a good thing simply due to the fact it cuts down on pointless grind times for quests since i can take that quest item i find on that character thats say 8 quests away from needing it to my character thats already on that quest. also with the shared page i dont need a middle man to transfer items between characters anymore which removes the risk of having someone run off with your gear.

[crude hill]

The fact that you feel questing like a pointless grind, points one of two things, or there is a design problem, or you don't like questing concept. I think it is probably the first one. In any case this problem shouldn't be solved by making grind faster thx to the shared stash, instead they should work on making questing actually fun.

So i still think shared stash shouldn't exist.

[valid rivet]

Tf? That is an absurd idea, and you are aware affinity unlocks are account wide? The only point to doing quests on a 2nd character is to hope for good rolls on rewards, a gold chest and a bit on XP for other characters.

The shared stash allows you to play mutiple classes by transferring gear and money across them

Hiding bonus rolls on gear is completely stupid and they are already working on a system to reroll or resocket the rolls on gear.

What you are trying to do, is create a situation where certain classes can control the market and then prevent players from using that class to buy the gear they need and transfer it to their main class

[valid rivet]

It is a completely useless grind after the first time per wipe and not many people want to spend countless raids looking for a gem or feather on mutiple characters

[ivory quartz]

Ruins is simply a really, really poor designed map. The first major issue and probably most annoying is that the majority of the spawns are all located in the north half of the map, with over half the players spawing no less than 1 room from another, this is exacerbated by the fact that the north also has the best loot on the map with 3 back to back royal coffins.

The second issue is that many of the module barrer walls can be jumped over. This makes it far too easy to skip rooms as you dont even have to open a door, and risk an army of mobs you aggroed attacking you, but also that you can enter other modules without even making a sound. Additionally the walls make it so you can see over them and get knowledge without actually entering the other module.

There are even more issues with Ruins many of which are just fundemental to its design and layout that make it a poor map. But the two listed above are the most agregious, and also easiest to fix.

In truth ruins should prob just be removed permenantly it has always been a problem child of a map.

[valid rivet]

Random module location, with random pre-set walls and better spawns could help fix this

(The same walls won't always be on the same modules so you won't be able to just hop out and over every time but still allows for the fun movment and tech)

[ivory quartz]

Random modules would help every map. But there is a reason ruins is such a problem compared to all the others.

[crude hill]

If making quest is not fun and your playerbase only sees it as a step to obtain rewards you have a design problem or an usless gimmick.

[valid rivet]

Right everyone knows how to cross the map as fast a possible because the modules are the same, and the wall jumps are the same every time

[ivory quartz]

The other reason that the map is so quick to cross is the mob density and the layout.

The real issue with ruins is that each module lacks dimension. Literally as in each module can be traversed via the top layer and is connected to each other only by that top layer. As such you never need to engage with the extra 2 vertical dimensions that exist on every module like you would on goblin caves and forgotten castle . do.

[valid rivet]

Welcome to 2024 where questing is only done for the rewards and forcing players to do it again and again will do nothing but push players away

What you want are random daily / weekly quests that provide a significant rewards equal to difficulty

Kill 10 skeletons enjoy some gold and a green
Kill 2 golems and 2 harpies, here's 2 purples and some gold
Kill lich and warlord, here's a gold bag, a legendary neck and a legendary weapon

[valid rivet]

What? Wdym extra 2 layers? Not many modules have 3

But yes more ways to move between is good

[ivory quartz]

What I mean is that the game supports 3 layers for each module. All modules have 3 layers, its just that on most modules the third layer either is inaccessible or nothing exists on that layer, but every module has at least two layers. The problem with Ruins though is that their is one no need to ever access the second layer in order to traverse the module, This effectively makes each module anywhere to 1/2-2/3's the size and as a result the whole map is faster to traverse, making spawn rushing more of a problem.

[crude hill]

Sorry but that is not true, that is what world of warcraft standariced for mainstream RPG industry. There are too many games with unique questing where the focus is not just in getting more farm.

[valid rivet]

Did you just try to compare WoW to Dark and Darker? A 20+ year old MMO? Have a good night buddy.

[crude hill]

Btw it doesn't matter if the extra value of an item is in it's stats or in their gem slots, since there is a better version of the same item, the only ones who should be able to see that valué should be an expert. Wizard -> Magic staff.

[crude hill]

Yes i did, why shouldn't? They share a lot of similarities and fantasy.

Also is one of the most influent RPG games of all times. Many things you see in new RPG games were popularized by WoW.

[dark blaze]

Make arena permanent, it's end of wipe we have nothing to do.

[weak grotto]

Bring back multi classing for last 2 weeks of wipe and include uniques to be brought into Arena

[coral heron]

That would be a cool mechanic! Fill all spots with walls that crumble during the last phase after the 3 bells, would be insanely epic! @keen onyx @full tulip @dawn grotto Should take this note from you and implement it lol

[jolly leaf]

Ty (They should take a lot of note from me xD I have other good suggestion imo)

[coral heron]

Skinny Petts vid on 1 shot released a few hours a go, min 4:40, great sugestion. Rangers should get an accuracy decrease as they move ans shoot, like the spread in most shooters. Standing still deadly accurate. Would make backstep and pushing shot much better, and help with kite meta. Maybe the same with spells too. Not a huge spread, but a little lol.

[undone apex]

make the windlass crossbow either longer equip time or you have to reload it when you pull it out after your triple shot for the love of god

[olive mortar]

LESS TEAMS IN EACH DUNGEON, LESS THIRD PARTIES

[tired acorn]

Needs more teams in each dungeon it feels empty

[magic sage]

when will arena open up?

[proper folio]

Exit to lobby button not functioning

[fair shuttle]

i want my 15 hps back as so many others, tired of paying 1000k for a garbo legendary necklace of peace

[jolly leaf]

Should be in a couple hours

[graceful frost]

still a day from now lol

[glad coral]

allow hand crossbows from rogue not break ice when no other weapon can break it unless stupid power or perk

[ashen canyon]

Can it break Ice?

[jolly leaf]

Almost certain it can't. Hand crossbow only have 3 Impact power and 5 is needed to destroy Ice block

[jolly leaf]

Is it? Well a big couple of hour then xD

[stoic gale]

make arena week long cause thats what most want to play

[stoic gale]

hey bbg im waiting for the new vid

[graceful frost]

Just put out one. should hopefully be doing daily vids for the next week to make up for it

[stoic gale]

Okay can't wait.

[stoic gale]

allow named in arena for 1 day

@dawn grotto do you know if they are gonna do the same as last weekend cause iT WORKED

they got more players than normaly for arena and people liked it

[somber wind]

I feel like it's just me but, I want more gear depth. I want items that modify modifiers, etc. like in Path of Exile, I want the Talent tree already so I can further modify my build so my gear can synergize with my tree and I want endgame progression that isn't just "kill boss".

(Note: I don't want any of that to harm PVP either though tbh.)

[jolly leaf]

The fact we don't lose any gear? Well they didn't say it was coming back to normal so I guess so. Hopefully it'll stay like that until the next season

[jolly leaf]

And, for testing purpose at the end of the season it's ok but I really hope it won't stay like that forever. I'm not saying that the Self found system was perfect but buying item from the marketplace is too much. Imo they could make item "Found by" account wide so if I drop a Ranger item while playing my Wizard I can still use it on Arena on my ranger without losing it. That would be the minimum, if they want to make it even more easy they could allow Quest reward gear and Reward token gear to be like "Earned by" and count as Self found

[wanton horizon]

JUST AN IDEA HOW TO FIX RANGED META: What if you don’t have steady aim with bows, when you hold the string? Make the crosshair shakes a bit, so they dont constantly shoot through tight gaps.

[daring trail]

Agreed both found by and crafted by your account instead of each individual character

[jolly leaf]

I feel like it would be the good mix, better than self found per character but not too much like what we have with this test

[tawdry jay]

you should be able to rest or campfire to restore used caltrops and smoke pots

[hoary pike]

Yooooo so true

[hoary pike]

I really agree with this, it would prevent ranged classes from eternally holding one tiny angle

like you can hold the bowstring for 5 ish seconds before slight shaking and inconsistency with accuracy

[stoic gale]

I see what your getting at but some players don't have time to play all day and get bis we have time for 1 game amd we want to have fun

[hoary pike]

💯

[jolly leaf]

Yeah but season last for 3 month. Even if you don't play a lot, if they allow the gear found on any character to be used safely in arena you'll end up having really good gear. Even more easy if they allow quest reward and reward token item to be safe in arena

[ivory quartz]

Here is my suggestion To fix Range meta. Remove backstep from ranger and give it to rogue. Ranger doesn't even truly need backstep they were a top tier class before it, it just now gives them more power they dont need or deserve.

Backstep is a problematic ability on ranger for two reasons. One ranger is already brutal enough at distance, and already has a short range punish in the form of multishot. It is simply not fair or fun that once you close the distance, they can still escape.

Secondly Backstep is a problem on rangers ability to use spear. Spear is a super long range melee weapon with great stats and attack animation, backstep allows ranger to abuse their access to spear. This means that Backstep in reality equates to 1-2 extra spear attacks per fight which can very easily win fights alone.

The reason rogue should get backstep instead of ranger is simple, backstep is a better tumble and rogues already have tumble. It is strange that IM would make an ability that functionally does the same thing as another but make it better and give it to a class that doesnt need it.

[stoic gale]

On that character and I get one in a day if that so don't tell me ahh well no you play all day every day you don't get it

[jolly leaf]

Sry I don't understand your sentence could you rephrase it?

[jolly leaf]

I partially agree with you, backstep right now is too strong. It shouldn't have 2 charge imo or increase the cooldown of each charge. But I don't think it should be removed and well you've said it Rogue have Thumble, it's kinda the same as Backstep so maybe just improve Thumble, making it usable. Maybe make it scale better on dex (Dex make you thumble faster) but if they do it need to have a small cooldown

[ivory quartz]

The issue is backstep is a balance problem on ranger. It is something they as a class should not have access too

Ranged has proven itself to be extremely powerful in this game, arguably more powerful than any other weapon or damage type. With the ability to harrass people at distance, punish pushers, and abuse the movespeed meta to kite people. Rangers do not need any help. When a melee class finally manages to catch up to them having blocked or outright eaten several arrows and not died, landed the francisca or halberd and finally inflicted damage slow, those melee classes should not be met with the backstep spear to the face combo after all the work they put in.

Ranger has methods to keep people away, they have hunting traps they can place down, they have pavise they can put down as a barrier or obstruction to block doors or narrow corridors, they even have access to a good melee option in the form of spear. They have enough movespeed to kite for days as it is by putting there weapon away and bunny hoping. Rangers already even have a punish to people pushing in the form of multishot which can just one tap people. They do not need any more disengage than they already possess.

The reason I say give it to rouge is because ranger simply shouldnt have it. Rogue is prob the only class that wouldnt be able to abuse backstep.

[jolly leaf]

Ok ok, you've convinced me

[stoic gale]

I don't really care at this point explaining it

[jolly leaf]

I think I got it now. But yes you may not be able to have a decent kit for every class even in 3 month but I think that even if you only play on weekend only you should be able to build a kit for several class way before the end of the season

[stoic gale]

I have an okay kit nothing like the people that have all the time in the world. But just let me have my fun and they could only do it on the weekends for all I care I just want to play with bis and not lose it.

[jolly leaf]

Yeah I understand what you mean. But if we make the game easier for you we'll probably lose the player who play a lot because then it'll be too easy for them and they'll leave the game way earlier than they'll normally do. That's why I think a middle ground would be the best, making Self found account wide is the minimum, allowing Quest reward gear and Reward token gear to be used safely in arena could be a good move too but allowing any piece of gear to be safe would make it too easy

[stoic gale]

I really don't care at this point enjoy your Thanksgiving and have a great day.

[jolly leaf]

Sure

[vestal cloud]

THE GAME SHOULD NOT COUNT IN ARENA IF YOUR TEAMATE LEAVES

[hasty pumice]

yeah thats a good qol update, if ur teammates leave then u get no loss

[jaunty fossil]

nerf healing for stealing heal pls

[jolly leaf]

Improve the test server so people have a reason to use it and read/use our suggestions more https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[mystic silo]

even just updating it to be the current build would be good for test server

[stoic gale]

update the game

[hidden hemlock]

Just to clarify did they just make it so I didn’t have to get all my classes to wanderer this season

[jolly leaf]

Yes and no, no real interest to play it if it's the same update than the live server. And without any incentive the issue is than no one use it, there is like 50 player at best on the test server. That's not enough to gather any data and this number don't really increase even when they add an update to test. That's why they use live server to test thing and gather data because player are here and play here. That's why I suggested to add incentive to use the test server

[jolly leaf]

Looks like it...

[compact marten]

when the housing update comes, we should be able to become slumlords and get passive income and lower tier materials from your tenants

[drowsy ginkgo]

With the change to the adventure rewards coming out like this, could we please have some communication going forward before we invest so much time into something. All that time was wasted. I'm good with changes but when it comes to rewards systems is should be laid out before the time commitment has been done.

[barren grove]

why cant i login

[jolly leaf]

Maintenance

[jolly leaf]

Excatly, I get why they're doing that but the timing is terrible. They should have annonced that on wipe day for the next season

[astral smelt]

Why does the halberd keep getting nerfed for absolutely god knows what reason when its one of the worst weapons in the game, every time the bardiche recieves nerfs the halberd catches the nerfs too for no reason despite being an inferior weapon by far

[compact marten]

Halberd hits like a truck, the problem is the weapon hitboxes are completely bs compared to the bardiche. Bardiche doesn't have any red zones on it, just 70% damage on the shaft. Where as halberd has a small area that actually gets full damage being the blade, the rest is 50% damage which is the entire shaft. They should change that as opposed to nerfing the damage.

[astral smelt]

well yeah ik how bad it is on an objective level when comparing the fact the courspot of halberd is basically as big as the entire weapon hitbox of the bardiche, along with having the single worst sourspot in the game at 50% for god knows why. the bardiches weapon hitbox doesnt even extend half way down the weapon shaft so even tho the shaft looks like its a big hitbox in reality only half of it is modelled as a hitbox, meanwhile nearly the halberds entire shaft is modelled while also doing 20% less damage than every other polearms sourspot

[civic barn]

It would be great for the bard to add a rapier parry perk.

[peak lantern]

these rogue changes will make lots of people quit the game

[glacial sphinx]

double hide is pretty crazy, not sure about that one

[craggy narwhal]

i dont get it, we got 2 stack of hide, but with the same 25 CD beetween use ? did i miss something ? xD

[glacial sphinx]

basically you can use 1 charge, the cooldown starts and you still have another charge that you can use while the first is recovering. If you use both shortly after the other you have to wait ~50 seconds to get them both back or 25 to get one back

[jolly leaf]

Revert the magic staff change pls? Why reducing the magical damage to the level of spell book and crystal ball?

[craggy narwhal]

hooooo didnt understand that i can use the second one while the firt one is coming back thanks xD

[glacial sphinx]

i think its extremely strong, because in the past if you used hide and someone found you they knew you couldnt go invis for another ~25 seconds. But now you can use it again

[craggy narwhal]

it is ! With the moove speed boot, you can dooble the ambush perk

[glacial sphinx]

yeah for sure its gnna be a scary time to face rogues, maybe ambush will be too strong even

[craggy narwhal]

may be rogue will be fun to play now 😄

[tawdry jay]

get ready for bows with accuracy modifiers

[sacred osprey]

All classes should be restricted to camp firing for their abilities not just some.

[peak lantern]

rethink selling the game to a bigger company?!

[jolly leaf]

So you have to pay to access the new wipe content every 3 month on top of the battle pass and the "Extra stash bundle"?

[chilly phoenix]

Honestly should just do a census each wipe to see where the game currently stands instead of "who's complaining the most? Let's screw that over" then repeat as another issue rises

[granite plinth]

Suggestion:

Abilities (buffs/debuff) description will tell the user what abilities affect which skill

For example buff duration affects shouts bard skills etc etc. I feel like there is no way to tell what special buffs on items affect what .

It will be great too if buff durations affect hide. Shouts . Andreline. Blow of corruption etc

[valid rivet]

RETURN THE SEASON REWARDS TO BE CLAIMABLE ON EACH CHARACTER

You literally just removed every ounce of incentive to play classes you don't like. If I am unable to claim the consumes, gold, and bag on, what's the point of playing them?

I spent a few hours on every class grinding wanderer. This upcoming season i only need to do it once.

Congratulations you just gave yet another reason for playercount to plummet even quicker

[jolly leaf]

^

[fair shuttle]

gimme my 15 hps back, can't everyone see how the vigor items inflated drasticly in price since 69? How is that okay that a leg necklace costs 5 times more than any other leg necklace? Please we need more health

[jolly leaf]

Exactly, reducing HP/TTK was the worst part of 69

[grizzled jay]

Question

Which platform would be having the most players?

[jolly leaf]

Don't matter, matchmaking is crossplatform. The platform you choose is only where you're starting the game

[grizzled jay]

Thanks

[jolly leaf]

[ivory quartz]

Hide change is questionable, not how I would have buffed rogue. But any buffs are welcome especially in this meta, Poison wep buff major W though. PDR buffs also help rogue a lot

[daring trail]

Facts, kinda also crappy to wait until right before wipe to announce this lol, I'm sure there are lots of ppl who played characters they wouldn't of played just to get the first few rewards.

Def an Ironmace L to do this so late into wipe

[peak lantern]

sell the company before rogue changes kill the game

[tribal current]

Rogue changes are hot garbage

All other classes get a buff and rogue the worst class by far 2 shottable by every class gets the one thing that allows them to close the gap and actually be a rogue gets gutted??!?!?!? Wont play next season

[jolly leaf]

How did it got gutted? The 2 charge is more a buff than a nerd imo

[daring trail]

i guess him not being able to hide and cower for 30 seconds is a game breaker, cya nerd

being able to get double ambush procss is pretty good imo

[jolly leaf]

It's a sprint but more versatile

[daring trail]

yep, i was mainly thinking about the damage output from it

[jolly leaf]

That too, you get speed, damage, 20 step while invis it's definitely a buff

Maybe we'll soon see Full buff duration full ressourcefulness infinite invis build the cooldown start as soon as you invis

And then people will understand it was all a mistake xD

(I said that as a joke but I just did the math and it's totally possible and not even that hard to do)

[valid rivet]

Yea I've gotten every char to wanderer for absolutely no reason now

[graceful frost]

they really should have giga reduced the duration so it is a combat invis, might still be absurd then but at least it wouldn't be landmine hell.

[vestal cloud]

320 MOVESPEED FISTS OUT AND AFGHTER FULL PLATE WITH WEAPPONS STILL CATCHES ME LOL

[earnest swift]

can you earn season rewards through arena rank? if so thats awesome if not fuck i need to start ap farming again sadge

[jolly leaf]

Yep because I'm pretty sure that with enough Buff duration and Ressourcefulness you can chain the invis and stay "perma" invisible

[jolly leaf]

Nop you need to grind HR

[onyx pivot]

make it so i can remove the chat thing in general

[barren grove]

buff pickpocket rogue. make it so that it prioritises meds and torches less and focuses on ( rings , pendants, weapons, armor, meds) stop making pickpocket risk it all just so they loot a bandage. please

[flint atlas]

I can't login through the launcer.. Can I link my account to steam still?

[wicked laurel]

when you log in through steam it will ask what platform you want to bind it to

[flint atlas]

When I try to login through steam it makes me create an account, it doesn't allow me to bind any account

[wicked laurel]

oh im not sure then. try logging into their website

[jolly leaf]

Open a ticket #discord-help but the point of this hotfix was to choose one plateforme. If you choose Blacksmith I'm not sure you can change.

[real trellis]

Personally I think that gear should be flattened a bit but not like they did in the patch where everything was the same. Instead, something more like this:
Gray heavy boots: 3 str, lowest armor
White: 4 str, little more armor than gray
Green: 4 str, little more armor than white
Blue: 5 str, little more armor than green
Purp: 5 str, little more armor than blue
Orange: 6 str, little more armor than purp
Gold: 6 str, highest armor

[charred charm]

We need a dwarf race guys, just imagine "rock and stone"

[glass ibex]

it's amazing how i block 3 times to a bear and i parry but i recieve damage all the times, amazing game

[abstract bone]

longsword player deserves it.

[coral heron]

this last patch was trash. the rogue buffs need to be reversed. rogue needed a nerf, gets a buff, its bs...

[warm haven]

new account need min 1 week game play for access Hr dungeons because fckn everywhere cheaters its not playable on hr

[proper shadow]

IRON MACE might I suggest introducing an additional chat on discord where you purpose an idea for the next patch, or update, or dlc or what ever, and then give people the option to vote. No comments just a thumbs up or down.

[violet sequoia]

Please change the exit game botton to another location....

[vague summit]

Can those of us with the full game get a 4th man slot with a high roller map.

Also The roles on some of the equipment don't make sense like the Barbutua helmet is mainly for fighter and barbarian its kind of ignorant to role memory capacity on it. Also TRAINING MAP one you can come and go from maybe add equipment exchange so you can test kits. Maybe even allow friends to load in with you so that you can train.

[jolly leaf]

That was a thing in the past but now it's here https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[jolly leaf]

Actually that could be a good idea

[split brook]

Remove the MOBS from ARENA. They add nothing.

[jolly leaf]

They add a part of random, help to reduce spawn rush, (more loot xD). I actually like the mob, but they probably should remove mini boss tho

[glass ibex]

longsword players are the most honorable warriors, you are a dirty rat

[abstract bone]

L O N G S W O R D P L A Y E R O P I N O N I R R E L E V E N T

[glass ibex]

you are sad

[abstract bone]

atleast i can block with a longsword and not take dmg 😄

[glass ibex]

@abstract bone sometimes yes but no is consistant a lot of times u parry and get dmg

[abstract bone]

🤷 not for me

[glass ibex]

False

[abstract bone]

ur lucky i cant nerd emoji you cuz u sounding like a nerd.

[glass ibex]

And a lot of times u parry and u cannot block for the desync of the servers

[abstract bone]

Personal issue get better internet. game servers work good for me

[glass ibex]

No is my internet

[abstract bone]

yes is your internet

[glass ibex]

Bro and you are lying, sure u only play druid and rangr clases this things doesnt affect you

You know you are lying

[abstract bone]

i play fighter cuz its hella ez.

[glass ibex]

You know a lot of times block doesnt work correctly

[abstract bone]

did you make sure to move your body correctly?

[glass ibex]

Mmm

I know you need stay in X position for block but im sure u know the desync in this game is hard sometimes

And affect a lot in blocks, and in longsword more

[abstract bone]

I don't get deync unless im playing in singapore or frankenhurt servers

[glass ibex]

I play in frankfurt

Where are u from

[abstract bone]

US east. with solid internet i don't get desync unless im playing off region servers

[glass ibex]

I have fibra optica, good internet. But a lot of people say the same, you can find videos in youtube of famous dad players, with block exist a lot of desync a lot of times

In pve dont affect practicaly but in pvp yes

https://youtu.be/ViDaMy7uD4U?si=f7yNCkPvekd9c0In

Look the video, im main fighter. I get demigod i more of 1 season (i know, demigod no is the same to be good is only farm) but i have a lot of hours. And i can confirm this affect me soo negative

@abstract bone

[proper shadow]

Dude ironmace…why are you buffing rogues and giving fighters 75% pdr….mean while bards are still waiting for any ACTUALLY useful skills (besides ten spells). When are bards going to get any kind of buff that isn’t shared with any other class that benefits even more then the bard? Why bring back one of the most hated play styles in the game, for a class that truly didn’t need any buffs at all…And just forget about bards??

[unique flint]

pls make it so that at the beginning of each game if one of your teammates deals damage to you it reflects 100% of it like atleast the first few seconds of the round because I keep getting spawn killed by random teammates

They also suicided right after killing me and the other guy

[hasty pumice]

we need a goblin race then dlc pregnant goblin race or atleast add pregnant goblins

[unique flint]

Add a parrying dagger

[glad coral]

fix ur launchers

[torn goblet]

which smart fella thought it would be a good idea to prevent me from soloing into hr trios

[muted crag]

youre not prevented, just click the funny little "dont fill team" button.

[graceful frost]

You can’t queue solo into hr trios. It wont let you queue if its no fill

[torn goblet]

yeah that funny little button doesnt work in hr, good try buddy

[ripe turtle]

Living statues are a joke, way too underwhelming with their simple, predictable attacks. At least let them do more damage and take more hits, like a mini boss. Need more tuning.

[halcyon flame]

Every mob (including minibosses) are underwhelming and predictable wdym

[ripe turtle]

?

[halcyon flame]

I’m saying that every mob is predictable and underwhelming

[tardy zenith]

sub boss spawns need to be removed from arena

[thin tree]

I absolutely love Arna right now. but jesus christ get those mobs outta there

[coral heron]

rogue op? then lets buff it! such a stupid balance, nerf rogue ! no more 2x hide charge, ambush too strong, rogue and rogue-er here

[jagged cargo]

Rogue is way too overpowered. It's a joke! Really needs to be changed

[onyx pivot]

make it so u just cannot turn lights off in arena ever

[coral heron]

this! lol, YES

[jolly leaf]

That's #d-and-d-suggestions but they closed it a long time ago (I don't get why, it was a cool feature)

[ebon knoll]

tree of life should count as a nature's touch for the purpose of dreamfire healing change my mind

[jolly leaf]

It would be way too strong

[drowsy tartan]

bro just use a buckler or kite, whats the problem

[mystic silo]

i think for the very last 2 days of wipe we should turn loot rates up to ridiculous levels and just let people have fun with op levels of items right before the wipe even the casual players who generally never get those kinds of items normally.
kinda like the 1 rouble event for tarkov that they do but i could be crazy

[ripe turtle]

Learn to read.

[drowsy tartan]

mb read overwhelming, sry

[hidden harness]

EITHER BAN THE GAMME EXPLOITERS OR STOP LETTING PEOPLE TURN OFF TORCHES IN ARENA

[graceful ermine]

can you still bring any gear into arena or did that get changed?

[hushed cedar]

Nerf ranger multishot. Should not do 100% all 5 arrrows. Should be 20-25 per arrow and lower cooldown. Nothing else in the game 5x your damage besides magic missiles but atleast its not a 1 shot.
Bows should reload 20 at a time maybe when quivers introduced remove reloading speed perk
Action speed reloading is fine.
Lower longbow damage

[stoic gale]

nah

[tawny ivy]

Pretty balanced, I’ve been killing rouges and rangers as a barbarian, not sure why cry babies come here thinking anyone will care

[lilac garden]

nerf druid to the ground

squire kit druid has better stats than a fighter and a barbarian together

[final crypt]

yea why did we buff druid again?

[abstract bone]

if you dying to a druid kekw.

[proper jasper]

Alot of the times when I die to druids it's because I'm panicking not because they're OP I can do a stupid amount of damage to them in panther and can easily get away if in bear it's all about running away and getting height on them if you just stand your ground you're going to die

[clear compass]

need to remove druid not being able to shift forms when something is nearby

[abstract bone]

naw its balance

[unique briar]

make it so that you get 500+ ap by opening the doors that require special keys like golden keys, rusty old keys and the frozen ice key. makes it so that people actually use the keys how they're intended to be used instead of a way to store gold and more ppl go into the dungeon with said keys

[jolly leaf]

That would indeed really cool, probably not 500 ap but a good amount would be nice

[muted crag]

Alright, who the hell am I getting into a recreational argument with today?

[jolly leaf]

About what

[muted crag]

Dunno, depends on the currently relevant subject matters if any.

[jolly leaf]

I just finished the last Q&A, I feel like this Continuous dungeon system is going to be terrible the way they're going to do it. What do you understood about it and think of it?

[muted crag]

So, to set things at a clear basis, to my understanding the function of this system will be as follows: Standardized starting process of match yet players will be able to join and depart/descend at any point.

This may introduce complications such as surprise spawns, lack of drops to accommodate fresh appearances, gear gap in low GS lobbies for late arrivals, all the extractions being utilized before late joiners can arrive, and market dillution due to boss rushing, thus turning normal lobbies into what effectivly is goblin caves is now as no one goes for a traditional dungeon crawl within that map any longer and its only used for troll/cyclops/loot pile farming.

If such case were to continue, a bandage fix lower quality loot averages would be applied.

[jolly leaf]

Well nothing to argue about, I think the same. For me if they keep the 12-15 min timer per level then the "Refill" system is terrible. Why would I want to spawn in a game where half the map is already looted, mob are already dead and there is like 7 min left on the timer. That make no sense.
Imo if they want to do something like that then each floor have to be "infinite" with loot and monster respawning like every 5-7 min so new player have thing to do. But if they do that each team need to have it's own timer to force them to leave or go down

[muted crag]

I can imagine the wyvern boss rushing already, oh dear me.

[jolly leaf]

To my understanding they're doing that, the continuous part, mostly due to server cost and I get that. But I really feel like they didn't think it enough and are about to release an half baked feature that will earn them a new big backlash and make them lose a lot of time fixing/reverting it

Again like hotfix 69, it could have been a good idea but they didn't ask for player feedback before releasing it, didn't used the test server for it and released it with a bunch of other stuff making it look worst than it was. And they're 100% doing the same thing about this Continuous system and the "WIP" sorcerer

[muted crag]

Yes please Ironmace, test server this.

[jolly leaf]

I made a suggestion that I think is very good and would fix a lot of issues if you wanna have a look https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[jolly leaf]

They have all the tool they need to make it work but they're not using them and are going to make people hate an idea that could have worked

[crude hill]

Filling lower layers

• No chance to do bosses without PvP
• More players in lower levels
• No longer being able to see players from previous layers
• An excuse to try bringing back old Wyvern coop concept
• Game even more PvP focused than already
• No Expressman

My thoughts: We needed more density in lower layers but not this consistent. If players can go down freely this would be less a problem. Also i know you are doing it this way to save resources. I would prefer you find a better way or at least that you cut resources from other things like removing solo/duo/trios matchmaking. Anyways i m skeptic about your decision.

I know there are more points but those are the ones that i care the most.

[jolly leaf]

I really don't feel like filling layer, even the lower one, is a good idea. Same as higger player density. This will just end up in infinite loop of third party. If new team appear when a team is killed then the map is always full of player walking on you as soon as you finish a fight or want to fight a boss.
Third party has been one of the thing i've seen people complain about the most recently, and refilling dungeon is obviously going to make that a lot worst

Imo they can still save ressources by doing like I said earlier. "Infinite" map that refill with player but also with loot and monster. So when new people appear they have things to do. But imo even that is not a good idea.
The matchmaking at the start of each floor would be a good start

[crude hill]

"This will just end up in infinite loop of third party" I think they already figured this one and probably will fill maps in waves. For example filling at 20%/40%/60% of the layer time. It doesn't removes third partys but is more manageable.

[jolly leaf]

I could be agree with you but not on Dark and darker. Each map last for maximum 15 minute. It's too short for filling in wave. 20/40/60% is like 2-3 minute between each refill. Sometime fight and looting/rez your mate take half the map timer

[crude hill]

"The matchmaking at the start of each floor would be a good start" The point of continuous dungeon was don't make players wait.

[jolly leaf]

On game of 40 minute on 1 map, ok, no problem refill at every 10 minute, i'm good with that. But in DaD it make no sense

[jolly leaf]

Matchmaking at each floor is a thing, they're doing that on top of the refill. they told it in the Q&A

[crude hill]

If you enter a game with low time maybe you prefer to go directly to the next level.

[jolly leaf]

I don't want to enter a game with low time in the first place. That make no sense

What if i'm here to kill wolves for a quest and I spawn in a map with 7 min left on the timer in a room far away from wolf spawn or in a game where all wolf are already dead and the guys who killed them have already left?

[crude hill]

really? then why removing expressman?

[jolly leaf]

Because they're doing a matchmaking for each floor, no more small waiting room so no more expressman (that's dumb as fuck because expressman was here to help about the overload of loot due to the 3 layer, and this issues is still here)

[crude hill]

There is also players that don't want to enter a game in a different map because there is no solo matchmaking. Its all about trade-offs.

[jolly leaf]

Imo the perfect things for expressman would have been to make him a In game NPC that you can found in the dungeon

[jolly leaf]

I'm not sure to understand. But you talk about the fact that this change allow them to remove the rotation map timer?

If yes, then imo they're is other way to achieve that. One of the main and most important one is to work on player retention to make the player base growth, but yes it's hard to do but there is other possibility like this one https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/576260/improvement-to-the-new-matchmaking-system-and-map-rotation

[crude hill]

No, that for me entering started dungeons is a price i would pay but not all people, like map rotation's highs and lows.

[jolly leaf]

Yeah ok it's what I understood. My answer is in the previous message

[crude hill]

But i m not talking about removing map rotation.

[jolly leaf]

Then i don't get what you're talking about xD What do you mean then?

[crude hill]

The good things in exchange for started games, is more density in the dungeon.

Want to remember that i said that i don't like their approach with this much filling. For the first layer for me is enough.

[jolly leaf]

I really really hope it'll only be for the first layer. Otherwise new player/chill player will have a very very hard time enjoying Inferno or Ice abyss with half the timer to clear room and find an exit

And most importantly, imagine you want to do the boss, you spawn at the start of the timer so you know there is 2 other team with you in inferno. You find and manage to kill the 2 team fast enough to do the boss after that. Refill mean than while you're killing the boss an other team can spawn in Inferno and "Third-party" your team while you'r doing the boss or looting the gold hoard. That's terrible

[crude hill]

They could play a global bell sound for each team that have entered the layer. This way you can know each wave (Z%/Y%/X%), 2 bells at minute 3 means 2 more teams.

Or just instantly but i think that is to easy to abuse and go for them.

[jolly leaf]

I think so too. Imo Refill just sound like a terrible idea, especially how they're going to introduce it. But if it's necessary for server cost etc then ok but at least pls test it before releasing it to live server. On a feature that big, that change the game that much they need, they have to use the test server to avoid all the obvious mistake that could be found and avoided by letting people play it for a few day

They can't afford to make the mistake to not test a feature this big before releasing it again

[crude hill]

I always ignore the test server thing because we all think the same even the devs XD

[jolly leaf]

I really really hope that December 5th when they release the Steam DLC to buy the legendary version on Steam they'll also release the test server for steam player and let us try this new Continuous dungeon and maybe the WIP Sorcerer so we find bugs and fix obvious issue before the wipe

[jolly leaf]

You shouldn't, dev think like you because no one use it but if they've actually used it and added feature that make people want to use it many issues could have been avoided especially the Hotfix 69, it could have been tested and improved to something really good but because they released it that way they just ended up reverting it

[crude hill]

"dev think like you because no one use it" what i meant is that we all agree that this should be a big priority

having a functional test server

[jolly leaf]

Ok ok, my bad. You probably already upvoted it but https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[crude hill]

ye i did

[jolly leaf]

I think something like that really is the key to a better futur for this game

[leaden galleon]

bro whats the point in ranger class if you can play fighter and do more dmg have more hp more pdr and have 2nd wind?

[jolly leaf]

Well you can put campfire quickly

And some piece of bread

[leaden galleon]

damn that piece of bread is pretty insane

[leaden galleon]

they need to do something about this game they refuse to nerf anything useful and buff shit nobody asks for

[jolly leaf]

#in-game-reports

[jolly leaf]

I guess it fit in inappropriate

There is no real space to report for that so we need to use what we have

[fallow scaffold]

increase mob density again also remove either physicly or mechanicly the cheese pls and thank you yours truly a local dungeon delver

[jolly leaf]

Yes? I know, but without a proper way to do it that's the closest we got

[abstract bone]

remove random duos/trios

[rancid crest]

what a wonderful (joking, it is horrible) idea

or actually it depends, do you mean monster cheesing or player?

monster cheesing might make some sense, but I think it might hurt the gameplay overall a bit, but might worth a try

[fallow scaffold]

i think you should mull on this a while and get back to me

[rancid crest]

but the mob density is horrible for sure

[rancid crest]

no need, the first part is horrible, 2nd part might be good, might be bad, but if both happens, then the 2nd part is horrible as well

[fallow scaffold]

can you explain why increasin mob density is a horrible idea and yeah both at once would be bad its one or the other

though depending on balancing of cheese and your definition of it cause dodgeing isn't cheese but sitting infront of a monkey while he never loses agro while a man stabs in the back is definitly cheese capital C

[rancid crest]

cause takes away the PvP from the game if you need to do PvE all the hekkin time, everyone would wait for you to pull mobs on yourself to "third party" while you are having mobs on you, noone would try to clear rooms, because if they do, then they will have a huge disadvantage, TM warlocks would win every fight, because they just curse the entire room making them unkillable and I can just go on....

[fallow scaffold]

this all hapens anyways

[rancid crest]

not really, it is quite balanced now, but even if it is already happening, then why the hell would you make it even worse???

[fallow scaffold]

well yeah the pve doesnt cause you can play the whole game with out killing a single mob

[rancid crest]

if you want to play a PvE game, then just go Brazil ice caves, pretty sure it is empty, but don't try to ruin the game for others who wants to do PvP instead of 0-24 PvE

[fallow scaffold]

that not what im saying at all im saying this is a pvevp not a pvp gamwe rn its just a pvp game

[rancid crest]

it has just enough pve, doesn't need more

[fallow scaffold]

sure but then make the ai better so people can't just train the whole lobby of mobs while pvping

[rancid crest]

yepp, the aggro of the mobs should be better for sure, it works quite weird sometimes, but other than that it is quite okayish

[covert flume]

What is this 'continuous' dungeon thing I'm seeing spoken of and where can I find news of it?

[jolly leaf]

Here #dev-qna message and here https://youtu.be/YAhjPFLfHRI

I've talked about it with someone yesterday, if you want to have an opinion on why it's a bad idea/they're doing it the wrong way you can read this #game-discussion message (Scroll a bit to read everything)

[jolly leaf]

I'll be glad to try explaining and talking about it if you don't get something

[hidden karma]

Let us vote on the maps that go into arena every wipe

Nerf bows and give Ranger a bow mastery perk with armor pen to compensate

[night tree]

The more and more I think about it, the more I hope that IM develops a way to temporarily seal the boss room while it's being fought. It's fine if pvp happens while fighting normal mobs... but the boss room, especially with the 'continuous dungeon', would be a lot healthier of a space if you could focus on it. The doors would open again 5-10 seconds after boss death or the death of the player fighting it, allowing people to still come in and challenge them for the winnings, but the door-seal mechanic would make it so that people would actually kill the boss. Otherwise people just continuously back out/ reenter the boss room as they lose hp, then heal back up to re-engage the enemy players - which often results in the boss resetting, or just not being engaged with by the players, both of which are bad.

[spark crest]

Delete instant transform on druid or give it to warlock as well

[tardy parcel]

Can you fix the stairs climbing so people can stop edg1ng the top

[versed hinge]

The SK in demon throne should have like 1/10 odds to give people a reason to check out hell, its so dumb that its a 50/50 chance to eather get the layout were you can use the SK, or u get the layout were the SK spawn 1/1000 times, doesnt seem right to me

0 reason to ever take one with you into dungeon

[slow arch]

10 spell druid when?

[abstract bone]

how are you losing to the one class that you wreck as a warlock lol

[slow arch]

10 spell druid when?

[cunning osprey]

Why isn't arena open 7days a week? I legit just don't play during the week because it isn't open. Only so many times you can farm AP and die to 3rd partying druids/rogues in solos.

Suggestion - MAKE ARENA ACCESSABILE 24/7 AND STOP BEING CONTROL FREAK DEVELOPERS

[granite plinth]

Make the adventure time card game

[jolly leaf]

Because we don't have enough player st all for that. The dev talked about that in the last Q&A and said that Arena isn't as popular that most player seems to think and that even with the actual system of locking it to weekend only (which is the player count peak and build up a hype for it) there is actually not a lot of people in Arena. Not enough to allow 1v1 or 2vs2 arena, not enough to even apply the "1 class per team" rule that they wanted to use

[jolly leaf]

There is reason behind thing like that, they're clearly not the best dev but they're not totally dumb too, most decision is made after testing thing or because they can't do otherwise

[cunning osprey]

The game is fucking dead because it has no content! What kind of dungeon crawling PvE game only has skeletons and goblins? Fuck me the most boring enemy types imaginable.

The rotating maps are annoying, merchants and stash space are annoying, enemy types like spider mummies are just annoying as fuck with no challenge.

Why don't you look to dark souls for your fundamental game mechanics. Why don't we have a dodge roll button? Crouching to avoid attacks feels really bad!

Then there is the issue of gold. Why does leaving a 45min hell run only get me like 400g of treasure? Cool now I can buy potions/bandages/arrows for my next run . Maybe? Like why are consumables so expensive and the loot gained per run so shit? It's like the developers design the game around the sweaty no life 1% who can do all the bosses already.

I got my brother to hop on (he adores worlds like DnD), he had 1 game as a barb, got pissed off about the healing system and just uninstalled.. don't blame him I will after this weekend. Game is designed for people with nothing but free time not casuals and being good at this game doesn't look fun. Gg I'm out

Goblins caves really is a shit map, boring as fuck. Ice map is fun, good lighting but fucking hell why is there only 1 chest per room with like 30skeletons? Castle map gets the vibe of the game and is my favourite, unfortunately you can't play that map without being spawn rushed by McCheesy Sweatballz 1minute after game starts. Game absolutely sucks for newplayers and veterens but is alright for people with like 20-100hours.

Path of Exile 2 is where it's at lads💪

[solemn frigate]

https://youtu.be/0QShGspxk00?si=IxLEOdEVDCzv_yQv&t=185

[zinc ocean]

i just learned to kill troll / cyclops, and getting money hasn't been an issue since.
i either get 600g from the pile, or 1-2k from the boss drops
(could be even more depending on troll pelt market price)

although, i did spend some time to learn the spectral knight yesterday, and i have to agree some of the ducking to dodge feel pretty bad, as they don't register fast enough or don't work at all in some cases. Feels pretty bad, but i wouldn't mind it if it worked properly

[halcyon flame]

This is so flawed. What if someone was being chased and ran into the boss room in order to avoid death.

[quick rivet]

Do things droppen on the floor come back with goblin if you die? If yes, do they even if you drop them in the expressman room after taking red portal? Thanks

[night tree]

Yeah, running into the boss room to avoid death ISN'T something people should be doing - but they can, right now, and that's SILLY.

[ember vessel]

i almost wish mobs had some kind of answer to you sitting out of reach of them, hunt remedys this by having the mobs make a boat load of noise at you, but their pve is more of just an enviormental hazard, and not a loot source generally

[halcyon flame]

They can’t rn tho lol. Your suggestion makes it so they can.

Rn you can still chase someone into boss room to kill them im pointing out that your suggestion is flawed because it makes it possible to just avoid death by running in to the room

[night tree]

But when you finally get the boss dead, you'll still have to deal with the players after? I don't get why you think it's bad for the room to seal during the boss fight.

[halcyon flame]

You just don’t get my point, im saying if ur idea is implemented rats will just chill near boss room and run in if they get low and need to heal, and it would be literally impossible to chase them in.

I’m not saying your idea is bad im just pointing out that it is flawed.

[night tree]

In my version of the game, they'd have to kill the boss to get back out, which would let other players in. I don't think you've thought it through.

[ember vessel]

in my version of the game the boss would hit the stanky leg

[unique briar]

add a wizard passive where he plays a minigame when resting like matching magic or something and every time he does it successfully he gets a little boost to gain his spells faster

[coral heron]

So another druid buff, no real rogue nerf, and a druid buff. @keen onyx literaly did the opposit of that was nessarry. Rogue needed a nerf, but thats not what I'm talking about. Barb and druid buff.... they are alredy OP, let's make it worse, frickin screw all the other classes. It's like he wants to kill his own game like HD2

[alpine violet]

Okay so I paid for the game on Blacksmith. I moved over to Steam and now i am forced to stay on Steam, but there is no way to access the Public Test Servers to play while the game is updating. Is the Public Test Server not something I PAID FOR originally???? no one else gets access except for the loyal customers of the game? This is pretty upsetting that i cant get a service that is included in the paid game and i was forced to choose either steam or blacksmith as my platform. It is bullshit that i cant access it on steam

[weary creek]

Preach brotha

[proper shadow]

Don’t buff Druids or barbarians any more. Maybe take a look at bards because they have been waiting for a USEFUL skill since they came to be…..don’t buff the problem classes again! Please!

[chilly phoenix]

Dont get how they decide what should be buffed or nerf'd atp, the only times they really make big changes that has a general positive outlook are usually due to mass-complaints from the previous patches. Why not simply make a census for statistics instead of expecting your community to call you lobotomised to THEN finally get a decent change with something behind it.

[stuck perch]

They have another discord server that's invite only and allows a bunch of streamers to hang with the devs. Here they listen to the opinions of the streamers.

[chilly phoenix]

oh, neat.

[jolly leaf]

How do you know that?

[chilly phoenix]

really not sure how much of that is taken into account considering how the ones that usually get interviews with them-really seem like "yes men"