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limber elbow
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lobby 125+ gear score now take over by the Hacker player wall hack farm gear Best game ever and IRONMACE only think how to NERF ROGUE MORE BECAUSE ROGUE GEAR BROKEN ON ANOTHER CLASS SO THEY WANT TO NERF ROGUE MORE

nova vale
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ESP cheaters are rampant, this is becoming just like tarkov fix it asap

tiny wigeon
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Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

proper sundial
outer dove
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Im just thinking about it but, having a Dummy in the lobby change where the expressman is would be really awesome !

waxen plank
errant sun
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I thought the introduction of rotation and match times was supposed to be a countermeasure against teaming?
Look at the three levels of high rollers, the Chinese are teaming up like maggots on meat
Rotation is a waste of time and stress, get rid of it now

woven marsh
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Right? In D&D Druids are full progression casters. Why does Cleric have Locust Swarm and Earthquake? Those have “Druid” written all over them.

warm ruin
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this discord has better regulation in it than the game itself, ban these little children with obviously obscene names, but I guess I can't expect much from devs that work on fart emotes instead of QoL improvements for the game

drowsy cave
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Buff the loot in normals and in hr feels like you find one good item every 10 raids

peak lantern
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game is literally dying, biggest problems -> druids panther - rogue full invis. - barb. francisca spam

tiny wigeon
round grotto
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class change menu: add an ((!)) icone nearby a character that have sold an item

half pewter
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Give more damage to demon form for bare hands

trail sentinel
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I have a suggestion for inferno bossing. What if we implemented a pity system where the boss is spawned by the player. Usually you go down and the boss is already there. Instead what if the player can spawn the boss and if it’s the boss they don’t want, next time they can choose which to spawn. I feel like players are wasting lots of time trying to get the right boss for a quest but this could also keep some of the rng.

brave karma
granite plinth
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As I read all the opinions people have about what class is balanced and what class isn't. Is counters to classes ever talked about? In other games you have such things as innate counters and albeit in this game there are many different variables that effect the flow of battle sometimes tipping favorable class matchups the other way, I think it's still very worth noting that some classes will just perform better or worse vs others. Players from what I've heard and read seem to think when they have certain gear on they should just win fight regardless of match up or circumstances. Anyone have opinions on how to portray counters and favorable match ups in a better light? Other then just playing the game for 1000 hours.

fallow scaffold
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please for the love of dark and darker iron mace please fix the lighting and shadow textures on ruins i get like 20-30 less frames in ruins that forgotten castle or hell or goblin caves or ice caves please do something or at lest show you are making some progress

hybrid holly
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Please add a popup to let us know when the fees for listing on the market are too high, a common feature in MMOs.
There is a bug that prevents me from entering prices when using Japanese keyboard input, forcing me to use MicroSoft IME.
Google IME cannot be used.
Being forced to use an unfamiliar IME has caused me to make mistakes in predictive conversions and cost me 2500G in fees. I feel terrible.
Or how about a setting that allows you to get your commission back within 5 minutes of listing an item?
Or how about the ability to collect commission only when an item is sold?
I understand the need for a commission to keep gold inflation down.
But if the commission makes it a chore to list an item for sale, is that a great conduit for the game?
I would like more features to make item and gold management more convenient.
The time spent organizing items is the most wasted time in playing the game and a totally unnecessary cost.
Would it be difficult to implement an auto-sort button, an item rotation function, or a box or arrow barrel to tuck away specific items?
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I think the shared stash is a very nice feature.
However, if the shared stash is consequently occupied by potions and gold coins, moving items around is not very comfortable.
Unlike tarkov, this is a very innovative game that can be played with multiple jobs.
However, in order to enjoy playing with multiple characters, it is also necessary to collect stronger equipment.
With the addition of the wonderful Arena feature, it is very important to store the equipment you find for each character in the warehouse. It is very important to store the equipment you find for each character in the warehouse, because you will lose the equipment in the name of your other characters.
This makes stash management even more valuable.
I enjoy playing the dig game very much, collecting monster materials and such for new quests in the future.
But my warlok stash is full sail with monster materials. There is not much space for equipment.
Sorry I can't come up with a better idea, but I hope it will make stash more comfortable.
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tulip hill
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Do yall think Rogue's Smokebomb should be a 1 use, rechargeable at campfire, or do yall think its better as is?

mystic furnace
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I think in general that skills or abilities which are rechargeable with campfire are a bad idea, when the dungeon is only 12 min long. If we had dungeons which were 30 min then it would make more sense and also feed more like a "dungeon crawler" instead of a battle royal. I think skills should simply have a long cooldown, like 1 min for instance. Sure Campfires are faster to place nowadays and especially for rogues, but the concept is only really good if the dungeon has more dungeon time. With that said I think it's stupid that a skill like smokebomb can't recharge at all.

tulip hill
mystic furnace
# tulip hill Wizard, Cleric, and Druid get by fine even though they need to sit to regain the...

I agree, but I also feel sitting down is kind of strange gameplay, when your dungeons are so low in timer. If you had longer times in a dungeon it would feel great. Regarding smokebomb which is not replenishable at all, I think needs to be changed and I'm not even a rogue player myself. I wouldn't be against smokebomb being rechargeable with campfires if the dungeon timer was increased. If the dungeon timer is not increased I feel other methods of recharge is better suited for the high intence pvp battleroyal game.

tulip hill
mystic furnace
# tulip hill I do wish I had just a little bit more time, but many players already complain a...

I agree on this a lot. I have been trying to get a ghost king kill in 4 days now with my 4 hours of playtime everyday without him spawning. It would be awesome if we somehow could pick with layer we get, when we go down to red. If we would be able to pick a 2nd door down in the waitingroom where the expressman is. Regarding the longer timer on a dungeon I would love it to be 30 min, but I don't want the portals and static exits to be changed, but give me a choice as a player to stay longer in my dungeon untill I want to leave. Instead of feeling time preassured all the time. I feel after you have had your major pvp fight, ressing teammates, trying to loot your enemy you have low to no time to get all the "glory" so to speak. Maybe I'm in the minority with that opinion 😄

tulip hill
# mystic furnace I agree on this a lot. I have been trying to get a ghost king kill in 4 days now...

It would be quite the radical change but what are you thoughts on basically combining all 3 layers into a single dungeon
it would probably still need to be instanced for performance reasons, but the idea that there is one timer that is much longer, but you have to make your way back out of the dungeon
this would let you run down to the boss within a couple minutes if that is all you want to do, but it makes getting out potentially more dangerous afterwards since you are much more likely to run into players as you make your way back up

austere bramble
mystic furnace
# tulip hill It would be quite the radical change but what are you thoughts on basically comb...

It would indeed. I don't mind the 1 layer or 2,3 layer dungeon scheme as long as you have a good and long time in the dungeon. When I want to boss my first goal is to get an empty lobby and to kill every player on the map first, so I have the boss alone. Im all for faster boss approach no matter the layers they use. I do like the current 3 layer system because I can loot crypts all by myself and know that the boss on layer 3 is for me only as well. I know why we currently have less time in a dungeon, but I hope Ironmace can find the better hardware in servers and what not to make it happen, so we can get more time in a dungeon if we desire to. With that said - I would love faster boss runs in general, but I haven't thought that long on how that can be accomplished with every lobby being full. At least for me in EU.

inner void
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  • I bet this was already suggested but can you make class presets for quick build ? It could be something that you should buy like stash, but it would be quite the quality of life upgrade, especialy for classes who can play support. I dont have the same perks/spells on cleric or bard if im playing solo/duo/trio and it feels like a waste of time to change everything everytime i play with somebody or alone, plus if you upgrade your gear you also have to potentialy change your build, so if i could do a build for low stats and another one for high stats that would be really nice.

  • A second idea would be to make a quick build for arena, where you could stash arena armor and it will automaticly equip it on arena so you dont have to take of all your stuff then equip your arena things when you just want to play like one or two matches.
    It could also be a new part of the squire menu.

Sorry if my english is not perfect, i feel like those changes could really improve the game, thanks for reading 🙂

hybrid holly
# hybrid holly Please add a popup to let us know when the fees for listing on the market are to...

I noticed that there is a new DEV Q&A and have read it all.
I am sorry I posted this without realizing it.
I love this game and feel that I want the developers to stay healthy.
Please take care of yourself and have fun developing the game.
I understand some English and may be able to help with translation and JAV community management.
I am also familiar with discord itself. There are thousands of people on my server.
I can't say it well enough, but I hope this game and the developer will be better for it.

tulip hill
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Hear me out
Druid should have skunk form
because gamers are stinky

fallow crag
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so can ranger get free arrows for arena, why do I have to pay to go in every time, 20 arrows for potentially 5 rounds is pathetic, surely we can make a system where they reset every round, or give some special arrows for free that are arena only

signal knot
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i think instead of reducing how much damage you do with weapon mastery they should reduce action speed instead as with how it currently is its more of a nerf to long bow and two handed weapons rather than a nerf to dagger fighter which is what mostly people have a problem with

signal knot
atomic whale
meager jasper
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IMO removing AP from treasure isnt smart until you actually remove treasure completely and have only functional items in the gameplay loop. You cant pull us in two directions at once and expect it to be fun.

tough nacelle
atomic whale
tough nacelle
atomic whale
tough nacelle
crude hill
tiny wigeon
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Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

tender seal
woven marsh
proper sundial
ripe turtle
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I gotta say, nerfing Weapon Mastery is not going to solve the problem with rondel dagger weapon. The weapon itself is way too fast, so many hits, scales with attack speed, damage bonus modifiers and doesn't have any red zones as the animations do simple thrusts, inflicting 100% damage with every hit. That weapon is the problem and needs adjustments.

tiny wigeon
# ripe turtle I gotta say, nerfing Weapon Mastery is not going to solve the problem with ronde...

You forgot to mention the strongest thing with daggers.
If they are in your main hand, you will be instant at putting your weapon out.
You have nearly no downtime with daggers. Meaning you can put your hands out to chase, and insta get a dagger and shield out when you need.
Daggers need to only have that feature of the offhand is also a dagger.
Not a shield …. This is why bards also using rondel dagger buckler nowadays

lime frost
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Successful blocking with the shield should let you react with a shield bash (as long as you dont get staggered)
Scale damage with base armor rating on shield 0.75 damage scaling
Remove "shield bash" from fighter

This would allow for more dynamic fights, create space and open a whole new way to play

dapper gull
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Make it when warlocks miss COP on a target it gets applied to them instead.

shrewd cape
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An idea that could really help your deploy managements:

  • Try to use some K8S cluster (if it's compatible with your servers)
  • Take good stuff from K8S I mean you could easily implements a side car, more over you can provide a good load balancer that could really help you to migrate your traffic (it means that you have to manage versionning by providing some adapters and some interfaces)

I dont know which software architecture you chose but even if you'd chose monolyth it should be okay. Maybe if you encounter too much hard Time to deal with that you can put some wrapper over your core then bye bye hard work and you'll be able to start a modular architecture 🥰

Dont see that feedbacks in the bad way, I just want to help with what I know. For sure you have more skill than me in other domains such as algorithm I guess and Game design. For sure I dont provide the holy truth (take it as some ideas)

I participate cause I've seen that much case when you deploy and can't let it on live due to some side effetcs.. Love you guys, you are awesome 🥳

languid pebble
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Use GIT, Use a SDLC platform like DevOps or GitHub and implement CI/CD in Test env and make actions for prod. To streamline deployments and test changes more efficiently. How is that for a suggestion? Deployments should take minutes, and be error free. Every deployment here is a catastrophic nightmare. Every single time - "We've run into something unexpected"
Yea, cus you don't deploy to a dev/test env that is a clone of prod for testing.........this is going to continue to happen until you do so...

warm ruin
shrewd cape
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@languid pebble you remembered me that suggestions :

Dont put to production on Friday, even you feel it safe. It will save you a lot of time. Friday is the day you want to rest, look on things you dont have time to look other days instead of production. (Such as technical debt or deep review of what you would like to put in production then push it on Monday)

shy yacht
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suggestion: 1 week of maintenance so server problems will be fixed

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ppl can take a break

tulip hill
# warm ruin Smoke Pots, and Caltrops should be items like a Rangers Traps

I see where you're coming from, but I don't want more items that only a single class can use
I've even suggested the opposite, removing ranger traps as an item and making it a skill instead given how potent they can be in securing kills
With hunting traps being an item, and this would be the same if Caltrops and Smoke Pots were items as well, you can collect a huge number of them and then take them all into the dungeon in order to absolutely spam them
This is especially true if, like hunting traps, they could be gotten from the squire
imagine rogues with 20 Smoke Pots and no cooldown

warm ruin
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tulip hill
warm ruin
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tulip hill
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its funny to me that one of the biggest weakness to trying to sneak around is a closed door

warm ruin
tulip hill
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tulip hill
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tulip hill
# warm ruin speaking of tumble, tumble should be able to tumble strafe like left and right (...

I mean, you can flick your mouse right before tumbling to suddenly move in a weird way, especially if paired with double jump
my issue with the current tumbling is two things

  1. its either needs to play out faster or go farther. While it does frequently reduce the damage you take from a swing since the attack ends up hitting your legs, it rarely allows you to dodge a swing simply because you don't move out of the weapon's range in time
  2. it should allow you to pass through people. This would make it amazing for adjusting your position in a tight spot
warm ruin
tulip hill
gloomy storm
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I have played probably 1,000 hours and I only realized a few days ago there is a brightness modifier in the game settings. somebody pointed it out to me while i was streaming

No wonder people can see me whenever i feel hidden. Turning up the brightness for me was game changing as now i can see the true dark areas.

I find it crazy that the game is been shipped to new players with such a dark default settings but then allowing players to adjust this to make the game easier to play if you know how.

For this game to be equitable there needs to be a set brightness that cannot be changed and things like Nvidia filters disabled. Other games such as Hunt Showdown used to have similar issues with Nvidia filters until they addressed the situation and disabled them.

tulip hill
gloomy storm
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I am the type of person though who just uses default settings on most games. the only thing i would adjust would be graphics to gain frames. not really usually brightness and with this game been dark and darker anytime i have ever complained about dark or what ever i get told. its called dark and darker

tulip hill
gloomy storm
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its light and lighter if you adjust your settings haha

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so can the same not be said for fps? you either have a good enough system or you dont

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so you either need a good enough monitor or you will struggle. just like if you didnt have a good enough system

tulip hill
gloomy storm
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its still something i feel should be thought about. I can only imagine how many people have uninstalled this game without even realizing you can turn this right up. If i can play 1,000 hours without realising then there must be many others who dont realise also. Or i am insanely slack hahaha

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Any other game i would have probably looked for a brightness settings. but the game is called dark and darker. I thought the dark was part of the competitiveness.

tulip hill
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not to mention that would probably be hell for optimization, lighting engines have gotten really good at what they do and replacing all that with a giant cloud might tank some people's FPS

steel pulsar
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Give us a crappy stone pickaxe for the squire

vestal cloud
steel pulsar
tulip hill
crimson coyote
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has no one complained about the mobs in areas?? a game mode that'ss supposed to be purely pvp??

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if not let me be the 1st to say whoever thought of that idea needs to revaluate being a dev or go get some common sense

warm ruin
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can someone explain why there are no new quests this week?

clever prism
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REMOVE background noise in tavern

tulip hill
austere bramble
tulip hill
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very strange, would definitely add that if I were them

austere bramble
lilac garden
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can you migrate blacksmith account to steam?

median peak
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why is bard a better ranger and a better rogue while beeing super tanky? this class is actually so dumb

nova vale
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We will pretend it was a hiccup, bring back treasure AP or completely rework AP. Getting to demigod now is completely ridiculous. @keen onyx @dawn grotto

vestal cloud
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treasure ap is ass

nova vale
vocal siren
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What if instead of cosmetic rewards high roller ranks give bluestone and/or redstone shards. That way players who want to play competitively are still rewarded but there's no more FOMO for everyone else

vestal cloud
mellow shale
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Make it to where there is no Map rotation, rather make it to where it is determined who is queueing for what. If a solo is queued, they go into a Solo lobby. If a duo or trio is queueing, they will go into the appropriate lobby. Love the game but this Map rotation has got to go. It's made it hard for me as a person who is a solo gamer, to complete quests. I often times have to use a duo or trio to complete quests and it usually ends badly, prolonging my quest progression.

livid mason
wraith lynx
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Add billhooks?[the polearm]

quiet garden
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@Ironmace could you please stop adding different types spiders to the game as a arachnophobic I'm tired of having panic attacks while playing

rare mountain
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FIX THE LADDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sinful lava
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checking in if theyve reverted ap yet or if they plan on killing the game still

rough sphinx
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remove instant transformation

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remove instant transformation

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remove instant transformation

rough sphinx
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remove instant transformation

agile blaze
vestal cloud
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yea i do like the new ap system but foe the maps with only one level like goblin caves you need to add another way too get ap like make mobs count higher or make treasure only count in goblin caves for ap

agile blaze
# vestal cloud yea i do like the new ap system but foe the maps with only one level like goblin...

i could accept lower AP for treasure, and work harder to find rarer stuff. Or if the minibosses gave higher AP. But pvp in GC is never worth it, either you win for a measly amount of AP and get no AP for looting them and then most likely get third partied, or you lose all your gear and AP. I may have to learn the other dungeon but i think Im gonna die a lot there and dont have a lot of spare time to learn it like i did GC.

unkempt oriole
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make more integrated perk/skills

austere bramble
pale snow
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they could rework everything to have three separate roles, for duos you can have two of the three, trio all three but not duplicates meaning no fighters and barbs ETC on one team, and have ranger, wizard, warlock, sorceror and rogue count as flanker support types, fighter barb monk and druid being close combat, and cleric and bard become support types, and a perk allowing cleric to use spells at the cost of shapeshift compatibility, then used in conjunction with spell memory changing it to support type, and finally plate warlock (the perk changing to change it's type as well so it takes on the fighter class as far as restrictions on class duplicates is concerned)

lusty zephyr
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Was scrolling through my oldest message history, here we are almost 2 years later and the stash stuff is implemented via expressman. They're still working on the second part of the suggestion about refilling 2nd floor lobbies. How time flies!

vivid warren
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guys for real imo all the thing that takes or give gold should be cut in half what give or cost 100g should be 50g cause i think gold is taking alot of space in storage especially when you have above 40k gold

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@keen onyx @dawn grotto big respect to the AP changes now only skilled players will be in the leaderboards

winter idol
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so i watched the onepeg vid about the ap changes and i saw almost exclusively comments of people hating the changes, while my initial thought was that this interation is propably the best one we got for an AP system and it really motivated me to spam HR this season. Am i overseeing something or are the people commenting just your run of the mill flamers that gathered there for no apparent reason?

shrewd cape
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Instead of remove instant transformation I would ask for limited amount of transformation on a range of time

Like you can transform to chicken, then to rat, but you'll have to w8 before tranform to chicken again

The only exception is for human form you can get back to human anytime

tropic agate
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buff rogue.

final steeple
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Pretext: The biggest problems we are seeing are class-identity failures.

Problem: Fighters are expected to be primarily melee-- knights. They currently out-archer Rangers and out-dagger Rogues.

Warlock's fantasy is strong, but involves lots of fleeing and is difficult to interact with.

Rogue's fantasy (as described in SDF's Q&A) is in the pipeline. Until that is done, they suffer with no damage and limited escape tools.

Bard's fantasy currently involves self-buffing and then shooting a bow while running away. Music is less of a focus than it should be.

Suggestions:

Fighter:

Goal: Encourage melee engagement.

  • Weapon Mastery: Replace current penalty with a flat penalty to weapon damage inflicted by non-fighter weapons.
  • Breakthrough: Remove. Grant its affects either to Taunt or Adrenaline Rush, whichever has the lowest pick rate.
  • Adrenaline Rush: Remove negative penalties.

Rogue:

Goal: Enable escape and confusion until Rogue Movement 2.0 is complete.

  • Caltrops: Infinite uses.
  • Smoke Bomb: Infinite uses.
  • Tumbling: Increase distance covered, increase speed.
  • Double Jump: Remove move speed penalty.
  • Hand Xbow: Remove access.

Warlock:

Goal: Encourage engagement.

  • Vampirism: Grants 0% benefit at baseline, increasing to 100% based on proximity to a cursed target. (EDIT: Or, to exclude curse priority, just make it scale up based on proximity to a player.)

Bard:

Goal: Encourage music.

  • Din of Darkness: Increase damage dramatically. Damage is divided between all targets.
  • Piercing Shrill: Increase damage dramatically. Damage is divided between all targets.
  • Replace survival bow access with recurve bow.
rough sphinx
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add 30 second cooldown to instant transformation no more panther chicken jumping across the map

shrewd cape
runic kayak
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Hello! I'm new to the server but I think I got an idea to appease the complaints with the current state of the AP system.

Problem: I think the current AP system doesn't take into account new or inexperienced players who are looking into High Roller and don't quite grasp how it works but still hope to earn something from it. A few changes could be made to help these players at least get something this season.

Lot's of players say the previous methods for AP were better, I don't really agree since it promotes ratting and it's extremely easy to rank up for more experienced players (1M+ AP anyone?). So, instead of enforcing a boss rush and spawn rush intensive run, we could have the following:

Ideas:

* AP methods should scale according to current rank. So, we can have the previous system of looting to get AP and the more we rank up the less points we get until about the end of Pathfinder, when the current system prevails.
+ Early on it's easy to rank up and players need to optimize the further they rank up
+ Players need to learn fighting sub-boss and boss type enemies
+ Lower risk early on
- Higher risk for high ranks
- High ranks need to work harder as it is right now

* Loot would only give full points to whoever finds it, so if their found loot in that round is stolen or dropped, a certain AP% value is substracted. Ratting would yield almost nothing early on and pretty much worthless in a few ranks.
+ No more filthy rat/crow strats
+ PvP kill AP is still worth
+ Lower ranks are encouraged to loot and acclimatize smoothly to High Roller AP mechanics as they play more
- Killing players for stolen loot AP is discouraged later on

* Monster kill assist substracts an important ammount of AP but still rewards something to the player who was fighting. This might be hard to adjust or determine who gets AP.
+ Unlucky monster steals still reward PvP time loss
- Hard to implement and balance
tulip hill
# rough sphinx add 30 second cooldown to instant transformation no more panther chicken jumping...

I think it would be better to just have that perk reduce the time it takes to transform rather than bypassing the time it takes almost completely
the chicken jump is a cool tech that I don't think needs to be removed entirely, but being able to preform it on flat ground is a bit much, I think it should be situational and adding just a little bit more time transforming would make it so you have to jumping off something to get distance

coral heron
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This ap set up for HR seems cursed. @keen onyx @dawn grotto @fallen cargo this ap system makes it so teaming is basically dead... also it will just cause ppl to rush around points of intrest doing the bare minimum in-between. This enourages the worst kind of play, and it makes solo a near requirement. Please change in some way, maybe minor ap to mobs and to smaller cheast opens. Otherwise we will have warlocks rushing the map kiting miniboss' and all sorts of other foul crow play this season.

austere bramble
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What’s the ap changes and does it affect f2p at all

wicked grove
wicked grove
austere bramble
wicked grove
hushed kettle
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I get it AP needed nerfed for treasure, but screw the casuals that only get 1-3 hours (max) per day. Loved played HR for the AP grind. All it needed was more PVP/ bossing incentive and slightly less treasure reward. Instead we got a scuffed version of that, in which just screws the casual players in enjoying.

Bards, rogues and druids have the upper hand here as this AP system is only a rush to who gets the best chests first, who can make it to the rooms with the sub bosses first. It eliminates all actual real gameplay of the game.

halcyon flame
marble root
# halcyon flame Why

At first thought, it would allow any one handed weapon to be equipped with a shield, e.g. short sword or hatchet

red orbit
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WHAT if instead of forcing people to play the worst map(ice caverns) for quests they just make it so their is a option for every map? (#getridofthatdogpissassmap)

vestal cloud
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fix ladders like is it so hard too fix wtf

red orbit
trail flume
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i would love to see a status or note added to player cards.
for example:
SwagLord
joedirt420
lv. 60 barbarian
"inv 4 arenas"

stuck warren
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another day another empty lobby. GOBLIN CAVES 3V3 HR NA EAST. MAKE QUEUE TIMES LONGER. player count consists of too many noobs/bots MAKE QUEUE TIMES LONGER FOR HR I CANT SIT IN AN EMPTY LOBBY AND NOT TAKE PEOPLES LOOT. I WILL START TEAM KILLING.

languid spoke
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let rogues throw smoke grenades

vestal cloud
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3 hours ive been trying too learn inferno bosses aND IVE ONLY GOTTEN TOO DO 3 OF ATTEMPTS this is crazy

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make a practice mode or something where you can instantly go too any floor

void vortex
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Suggestion: Since SDF was talking about buffing all classes to be on par with druid, I recommend a new skill for rogue. Grapple hook. It would allow you to sling yourself into walls (SDF did say he wanted rogues to be able to climb walls so this would do it). You could also use it to grapple enemies to pull yourself to them or use it as an escape to pull toward a wall.

vestal cloud
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theres been a serious issue with bears being able too transorm when you are directly ontop of them and this is the only counter too them besides ranging them please look into this

prisma shadow
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SUGGESTION: ADD BALEARIC SLINGS AND STAFF SLINGS.

stone dune
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That would be cool

prisma shadow
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Devs are slacking. Slings were extremely effective in warfare and under appreciated

compact marten
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revert AP changes, or at least boost considerably AP gained from killing normal monsters, getting at least epic grade treasure or monster parts like troll pelt, wolf pelt, dark fabric etc.

faint onyx
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Yes, there is nothing wrong with a 330 move speed barbarian with 180hp that can one tap you.

compact marten
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people can definitely do it, i just havent figured it out yet

faint onyx
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copperlight gear bro, busted AF

stone dune
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Skills should say how long they take to recharge

faint onyx
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If the devs want to know why the player base is getting smaller and smaller, why this game is sliding towards death here it is. GAME BALANCE. The classes are terribly imbalanced and all the balance patches they do change too much too quickly and destroy some classes while making others completely broken. Move speed is ruined. You cant have a pvp game where the high damage, high health melee classes also have access to items and abilities that make them the fastest classes in the game.

shy yacht
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add a hawk tuah easter egg

hard fjord
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They should just have set ms and a chase mechanic

lilac garden
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Replace agility with knowledge for the elf race

sweet mural
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whats the best tech to avoid phase 1 wyvern? can u still sit under it?

bright fulcrum
# final steeple **Pretext**: The biggest problems we are seeing are class-identity failures. **...

This is a misunderstanding of Warlock identity. Right now, the Warlock doesn't have a single identity. It has 3-5 half-builds while not excelling at any one, so whenever one playstyle gets nerfed, the others arise and then that gets complained about and the cycle continues. Warlock needs a locked-in identity to build around. I'd suggest Warlocks get changed to be the ROI mage class. Spells cost HP but heal that HP back on hit. Don't need Phantomize in that case like how a Wizard doesn't need phantomize. Make the spells a little more diverse and viable. Life Drain right now can ONLY be used on Hydra because you have to stop moving to use it on anything else. Ray of Darkness is only good with maximum dark shards. These things should have use-cases that surpass the other spells available that aren't frustating to stack as the Warlock or frustrating to watch the Warlock reset as an opponent. These kinds of changes should promote similar engagement to a Wizard or Ranger at the least rather than filling curse time with Phantomize and hiding.

wicked grove
wicked grove
bright fulcrum
hybrid holly
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I would like to write about the current trio/duo game in terms of what I thought was missing from playing the game.
This is true for both random matches and pre-made, but there are too few resources.
More specifically, there are not enough treasure chests at the top.
Also, the items available after defeating the bosses are limited.
So someone has to withhold items and give them away.
And since there is no way to see someone else's inventory, we share our items based on the principle of sexual goodness.
And it is not only items that are in short supply. Statues of recovery are not available to other teammates once someone uses them.
In other words, whether it is a statue or an item, the first one to use it wins.
There is no lot system like in famous MMOs, so if you have a greedy player on your side, it is just not pleasant.
The greedy bard will open all the gold chests.
This is not a phenomenon that occurs only in random matches.
The same thing happens when you team up with a friend in a pre-made squad.
And when you form a pre-made squad, it is not always with a friend.
Forming an impromptu team in a valorant or apex is a type of play that many people have experienced.
You would think that this kind of phenomenon is a communication problem, but it is not.
The structure that allows this kind of play is flawed to begin with.
These problems are not limited to the root of items, but affect the entire team play.
There is absolutely no reason to work with your allies in this game.
If you are the only one who can return home, even if your teammate dies, you will be better off in the short run.
Take apex, for example. In apex, acquiring an item on the field called an evolutionary cash will enhance your entire teammates.
The result does not change no matter who acquires the item, but the stronger the team, the greater the chance of becoming a champion, so players who want rank points will naturally cooperate with each other.

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In apex, if you act to survive as a team, you may end up with more rank points as a result, and even if you go down, you may be revived later, so there is also the possibility of sacrificing yourself for the team's victory.
However, in dark and darker, the disadvantage of your own death is too great, so sometimes the choice not to play cover for your teammates is a reasonable one.
After all, allies in a random match are disposable and there are not many reasons to protect them desperately. This is true even with an improvised pre-made squad.
For example, if a dead ally has a troll skin, more people will probably take it for themselves.
This would not be morally appropriate, but it is a common gameplay practice. It would not violate any of the rules.
So the benefits of acting as a team should be introduced as a game system. Efforts should also be made to provide equal resources.
The old MMOs with this kind of item routing problem died with the times, and so should DaD.
When I play FF14, I am rarely ruled by bad feelings.
This is because the game system encourages moral play, the lot system exists, and the game master forbids cheating and harassment as a rule.
In DaD, there are times when it is in your personal interest to kill your allies and there are times when it is in your personal interest to let them die.
And it seems to me that sdf wants to make the game casual, but in this game where potions and bandages are a really high cost, it is very hard to get gold, so you cannot play casually helping your allies.
The cost of gameplay is so high that it would be more reasonable to be able to bring back a troll skin that costs 5000g just for yourself.
If this is a GOLD CHEST, then I don't need to tell you where this is going!

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So how about adding a feature that allows users to gain as a game reward for cooperating as a team?
There should be a lot of added value to saving a buddy, moving deeper with a buddy, or assisting or killing in PvP.
And when I am not getting good rewards.
The game structure is so bad that you can't make money by being nice to your allies in 1 match gameplay,
I would like you to consider how to give rewards that will make everyone happy.
I am tired of frustrated gameplay with friends who are not good with their hands, and I want to play the game more cheerfully.

As a different topic, the reason why rogues are still so useful in D&D is that the job of opening treasure chests is very important when playing in a TRPG.
But in DaD, bards can also open locks for free, and there are lock picks.
A ranger can place traps without a park, but a rogue needs a park to open locks.
The bard has the advantage in root because the bard can increase its luck with more parks.
The rogue looks more like a bandit, but loses to the bard in both luck and park.
Wouldn't it be appropriate to the concept to design bard and rogue equally as a game where you can enjoy root?
The bard can contribute a great deal to the team, but the current rogue seems to be a solo game-specific performance.

I love DaD and look forward to its future development!

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You have a point, maybe there could be some end of adventure reward based on the groups combined success

halcyon flame
final steeple
# bright fulcrum This is a misunderstanding of Warlock identity. Right now, the Warlock doesn't h...

While I won't contest that Warlock's non-curse kit needs some improvement, in fact I'll agree, your premise is wrong.

The warlock we have is, just like in Dungeons & Dragons, a hybrid spellcaster with aesthetic focus on demons and dark magic. Warlock isn't intended to be a pure caster or RoI mage... It's supposed to be a "dark paladin" and/or "dark cleric".

Blow of Corruption, Blood Pact, and Phantomize are all ways that this manifests. The class as it currently exists does very well to emulate the things it is inspired by. That is Warlock identity.

Gul'dan, a hex blade, an agent of the fae, a dark knight, Faust. So on and so forth.

Warlock isn't meant to be an RoI mage. It's a hybrid. Like in Dungeons and Dragons, where in the modern era of the game it famously sucks at sustained casting and gets most of its power through cool secondary stuff.

bright fulcrum
# final steeple While I won't contest that Warlock's non-curse kit needs some improvement, in fa...

In which media exactly is a Warlock a dark cleric? I get the mirror between gods and patrons, but the difference ends there. Warlocks manifest in a plethora of ways across media, from Eldritch Blast bots, to necromancers, to blood rite cultists (which is the closest to Dark and Darker Warlock), but currently the Dark and Darker Warlock class doesn't match any, and then within its own system (meaning as a class in Dark and Darker and disregarding other representations) it is torn between a ritualist, a hexblade, a demonbound shapeshifter, and a dark mage. It tries to touch on a little bit of a few things, but offers no cohesive identity currently. I personally would prefer a dark mage with blood magic elements since that already has the most groundwork in the current class, but I could also see the hexblade option. All that to say, the identity does not necessitate Phantomize and BoC and so they are merely options for the devs to implement and could be left out while building identity around spells and mechanics.

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The current class system's strength is the ability for characters to fall into distinct "subclasses" as you describe without sacrificing core identity and vibes. Not using that strength to touch on as many warlock archetypes as possible is a mistake and very short sighted.

Also, Lovecraftian warlocks tend to take the dark cleric energy. So to your question: most pulp horror.

Agree to disagree!

shy yacht
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imo they should add a hawk tuah reference somewhere

tranquil tiger
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Suggestion of 3 things:

  1. Dont queue "normal or blue names" with red names in random Q. Let them play with each other. If u r red, get red mates only.
  2. Remove ALL PvE From Arena. Why is it there? If I want to fight ppl including PvE I play a normal/HR game.
  3. Nerf Druid, then Bard, then Warlock then Ranger, thanks.
viscid owl
shy yacht
tranquil tiger
sterile wasp
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Make more Voice channels

limber elbow
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Took me 1 month to find 5 armor scrap for the first quest now the NO BRAIN QUEST from weapon smith give me another quest findind 5 armor scrap again , Do the dev taste they own medicine try to play the game they made AND 1 more quest say finding LEGENDARY CEREMONYAL DAGGER TREASURE Do you know how hard to find legendary treasure and fing the right shit for the quest ??? @Ironmace

forest mauve
hushed kettle
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Bring back entry fee HR, get rid of gear score requirement!

keen granite
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i have a suggesstion. fix the servers xD

rugged summit
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Rogue should not have invisibility. We learned this lesson with Wizard's invis. Don't listen to the crying Rogue players who think "Stealth" mean being able to go invisible anytime, anyplace. It's toxic, and anti-fun.

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Rogue needs to be re-worked, it's the least fun class to play, and play against.

austere bramble
austere bramble
prisma shadow
rugged summit
austere bramble
pliant quiver
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Have the devs ever mentioned the potential of buying more character slots? I feel like that's some low hanging fruit which could easily rake in some cash.

peak lantern
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game is dying, many empty lobies, just remove ice cavern and get done with it

tulip hill
shy yacht
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add a hawk tuah reference to the game (like a hidden easter egg)

leaden osprey
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Suggestion: I don't know?... actually take the community's suggestions? Went through the suggestions on the website https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/ plenty there but none of them are added or considered even with 1000+ upvotes

prisma shadow
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add a hawk tuah reference to the game (like a hidden easter egg)

hybrid acorn
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fire SDF he does horrible job

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make SDF play other classes than druid so he can see how bad game balance really is

shy yacht
crimson coyote
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as a fighter i want the rondel dagger COMPLETLY unuseable by us

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this meta is so old and it just conflicts with the fighters peronality in the game, on top of being the strongets fighter meta

tulip hill
austere bramble
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hybrid holly
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I would like to have the ability to send items along with a letter to a friend by mail!
I would also like to see protection of the history of chats between individuals, or the ability to write a note to a friend, etc.
I can't remember the names of people I have befriended in random matches, so I would like enhanced communication.

This goes for during combat as well.
I want a feature like valorant to communicate intentions with character voices, etc.

Additionally, I would like to see the item storage period for goblin merchants and expressmen increased to at least 1 day!
DaD is a tough game and items deposited disappear while you are resting because you are tired.
Especially when I lose at high roller, I sometimes close the game immediately, so I want the items to be stored for a longer period of time!
Or how about creating a stash exclusively for them like a shared warehouse and automatically pay them gold coins to retrieve them?

Either way, as long as the items are protected for a long period of time, no problem!

tiny wigeon
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Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

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Read above

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No idea why u pinging the devs directly.
Imagine everyone did that, how would that he efficient?
Just go through the process like everyone else, your ideas aren’t superior to everyone’s that you need to ping devs directly

tiny wigeon
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You wanna make a change to cater to your laziness, devs got better and more important things to do

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Ofc I get worked up about it, it’s incredibly entitled behaviour. It shows how little self awareness you have, that you think you can come to the channel and just get devs attention.
Kinda wild

hybrid holly
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I play this game more than 8 hours a day
Is it lazy to close the game when I am exhausted?
Sometimes there are things to do other than playing games, we all have things to do if we are alive
Adjusting your life for a game is nonsense

In addition, it is not reasonable that marketplace sales are protected for a very long time, but lost equipment is not
In fact, it may be a matter of server data retention time and load!

However, sdf answered in a recent Q&A that they want to remove as many barriers as possible that prevent people from pressing the "start playing" button for this game

Sometimes the sadness, anger and resentment of loss can stop you from playing the game itself

So adding a little assistance to make the next game more enjoyable would be a great way to develop DaD

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I understand everyones issue with balance.

I do agree that fighter should not be better at range than ranger. Or even bard for that matter.

Warlock is overused as well.

My plan would be this

  1. I would like if they looked into ranged damage scaling from dex just like Dungeons and Dragons does. That would make ranger initially more effective in range by default because they would fire faster because of action speed as well. Which is what you want, because it makes Ranger feel that much more competent and like they earn the right to be a Ranger. Ranger should in general be able to do more damage with bows unless drastically out gear scored.

(Though I haven't looked into the items and other sorts of things that could mess up.)

  1. They could then change forest hood to be dex.

Which would help bring the player fantasy of a class like this to fruition.
What I mean is. If you like ranger, or rogue(classes with similar type of aesthetic and power fantasies) you want to be quick, and agile.

I also understand this could make ranger broken and would need balancing since I honestly hate playing broken classes. it feels unrewarding. So testing is of course required.

Just looking for different opinions.

tiny wigeon
# hybrid holly I play this game more than 8 hours a day Is it lazy to close the game when I am ...

Yes, we have things to do.
But you are asking them to adapt to how you play. The current system works fine , and it seems you are the one that has difficulty keeping track of the items. You just said you play for more then 8 hours a day, so maybe just remember the expressman? Either right after you left, or you have 4 hours after you have rage quit to get back on and get them.
Like , do you want ironmace to also come wipe your ass when you are done? Cause it’s inconvenient for you? And you have better things to do?
I dunno dude, use what you have.
If you wanna complain about stuff like , getting all expressman items in one click instead of 30 clicks, yeah, I agree, that’s a silly feature. But 4 hours more then enough

tiny wigeon
unkempt oriole
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make range weapon can disarm bear trap

haughty crane
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Anybody have any input on my idea?

I posted it to the website if anyone wants to vote on it being good or not btw.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/586264/make-bows-scale-off-of-dexterity-this-would-end-ranged-fighter-meta-as-well

My biggest focus when it comes to games is to make player fantasy the most important factor.

Player Fantasy > Balance when it comes to enjoyment of a game. Balance is a close second to it. But if a player feels like they aren't living up to the promise that their character design makes they don't like it. (Think concord. Designs made no sense to the playstyles)

For example: Barbarian = smack smack smack rawr, Rogue = sneak sneak sneak stab, Ranger = Shoot shoot shoot run, etc.

haughty crane
# unkempt oriole make range weapon can disarm bear trap

Traps are functioning as ways to hold a line of scrimmage. If they can be disarmed so brazingly they would only be able to be used as sneaky hidden haha i got you traps.

Maybe if you had to take the trap perk for faster setup it would make sense. It would also bring a bit more value to that perk. But that perk would still be considered doodoo I think.

(That perk in general needs way more juice. Same with the campfire one)

I propose:

Trap Perk: Setup time for traps greatly reduced, Traps setup by you do more damage, you can disarm traps by hitting them. YOU CAN THROW TRAPS AT PEOPLE(This one is a joke but how funny would that be.)

Campfire perk: Greatly reduce campfire setup time, heal from campfire while standing as long as not using weapon. Reclaim wood of a campfire allowing an extra re-use but at a lower quality.

tiny wigeon
haughty crane
# tiny wigeon I’m not I fully understand why you this would nerf fighters. Dex is a great stat...

But it's not their bread and butter right? I was under the impression they prioed strength/vigor more so.

This would effectively mean the fighter is stunting himself in order to do more ranged damage. Which would seem completely fair to me.

Since the rangers bread aand butter would be Dex. This still means ranger is doing more damage per shot and all is right in the world. lol

Also I think you had a brain fart typing that sentence. I understood it but it doesn't make sense

tiny wigeon
haughty crane
# tiny wigeon Soz I’m a bit under the weather. I like the idea, I guess the issue I have is th...

I completely agree. Realistically bows base stats without the dex would need to be nerfed quite drastically to make up for the changes. But this still would allow ranger to have it's fantasy. Without straight up removing bows from fighters weapon mastery perk.

I understand people might think "Oh he just wants his class to be OP" but I assure you I much prefer having a class of mine hover around A to C+ tiers. I get no joy from abusing broken stuff.

I just personally feel really annoyed seeing fighters be better at range than rangers. There is room for outplay but it does feel bad.

tiny wigeon
haughty crane
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fringe dragon
austere bramble
wicked grove
crimson coyote
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It's conflicting with how the fighter should be playing with in the context of the game and just making them a really supressive force. I'm gonna be abusing rondel dagger fighter till they nerf or take rondel away from us

wicked grove
lusty zephyr
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What if subbosses were like regular bosses where if you leave the module/get into a cheese spot where the subboss can't reach you, the subboss loses aggro and gets back to full HP?

urban ibex
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In crypts, make an artifact for invoking each boss, place them in current level2 rooms to make points of interest. Add an altar in inferno to summon the boss.

stone dune
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What if instead of Weapon Mastery having a damage nerf it instead had a attack speed nerf?

nova vale
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AP System is ultra mega shit, fix it already its miserable

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i have reached top 20 of leaderboard, one of the most miserable experiences i have ever had in this game @dawn grotto its time to find a solution.

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This season just made me quit, sdf keeps making mistake after mistake and im not wasting my time anymore

chilly snow
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Can we PLEASE get a club buff?????!!!!!

stone dune
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Always good to have unga-bunga

unborn terrace
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only rthing the club has going for it is the fact it has an infinite swing combo

limber elbow
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We all know how broken the rogue is in beta test 4 and 5 and got nerf after nerf every patch , NOW look at the DRUID more Broken than Old Rogue fast speed - flying chichken - rat running - bear 1 tap and he can heal in 2 sec DELETE THE TRASH CLASS DRUID

raw sluice
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Druid does like 160 in a bear form. U see it coming rogue u did not

nova vale
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Bear is not the problem, if you die to a bear its skill issue. You can pretty much spam arrows at it and he will die.

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Im running a 56 strength bear, if i see someone who has bow i just run away from him fearing for my life, i can only kill barbarians and fighters who think they can press W on me

unborn terrace
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what if you dont have access to a bow

loud star
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i suggest that you should add hitbox points to the game its just like the ones with dummies but on real players, bcs sometime it feels like its unreal i see guy hit him 10 times its on half hp check stats he dont have pdr... add dammage points

crimson coyote
# wicked grove There isn't anything conflicting about it. Daggers just attack way faster than e...

Ima break it down as to why it's conflicting the figters identity, the fighter is supposed to a balanced defenseive/offencive fighter, the rondel dagger pdr build turns them into a tank that you can't run from, while the slayer fighter rondell done too much dmg BECAUSE OF SLAYER, if you nerf the rondell like you want guess what, you didn't just nerf the fighters, you nerf your wizard, and other ppls rogue. Where as if you remove the rondel from the fighter like they did with warlocks and ALL daggers, that solves the issue without harming the other classes.

crimson coyote
weary spear
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Give test server the ability to equip gear from gear selection menu.
Give max character XP.
Allow store items to be cross compatible with live and test server.

pallid vector
austere bramble
deft hearth
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Suggestion: Change the new AP system to be actually new player or average player friendly. The sweats can compete their K/D ratio and in the HR scoreboards and in the Arenas W/L etc -- plenty of content for sweats to sweat on. The AP rank system from Neophyte through Demigod is like the only progression system that exists for the average (and new) player in dark and darker, and the new system is EXTREMELY unfriendly to new players and average players in it's current state. Many of my friends quit playing for now which sucks

Suggested changes:

  • For AP Entry Fee: Remove the entry fee or make it much less.. Players already lose their kit which is enough incentive to not want to die..
  • For AP Lost on Death: Lose 80-90% of earned AP on player death (instead of 100% current) so that even if you die and lose your kit and AP earned, you atleast still feel like you are still (slightly) working towards your goal and you didn't waste 15-45minutes...
  • For AP Earned: Make every little thing in DaD give a small amount. I love the player kills being more incentivized as they should be, but playing any part of DaD should give AP like looting little chests, killing regular mobs, and looting treasure, etc. Just simply make the AP value rewards much lower for stuff that has less risk but not zero.. More Risk more AP Reward, less Risk less AP reward.
  • I'm not saying make it easy, maybe even reduce the total amount of AP available while also reducing the entry fee/AP lost on death. That way players still have to Play the actual Game a decent amount to get ranks, but given that the AP system is by far the most exciting DaD progression system for the avg player - the average player can actually participate and have a chance at getting high(er) ranks by playing DaD
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Suggestion: A button in lobby for inspecting team mates!

austere bramble
deft hearth
# austere bramble Only note I’d like to say is that I would imagine most new players r f2p and so ...

👍 All the more reason to make the AP system more available to the bulk of the player base 🙂 More fun & accessible AP Progression system = more people will buy the game to join in on the fun. 2/6 of my friends that play DaD literally upgraded to Legendary status and bought the game last season to work their way up the AP system (now 6/6 of us have bought the game + spend some on red shards). This AP system has turned most of my friends off this season sadly

raw sluice
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At max it should take 10 hours. It's not a show of skill. It's a show of that u know pve witch takes some skill but who doesn't know every move set already

agile sedge
limber elbow
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If u die to a druid bear l2p. And if u die to a panther l2p

hasty arch
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why do ppl play 3s HR but play solo/

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I feel a feasible druid "fix" would be to simply require them to be in human form before morphing into another animal.

Keep it instant, but instead of going from chicken to rat, or bear to chicken - animal can't go to another animal, you would have to go human > bear > human > panther to switch forms.

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Maybe even a small cool down would be okay on that animal they shifted out of. (edited to better flow with this idea)

nova vale
raw sluice
frozen delta
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I think that's subjective, as I play druid in nearly every aspect of any game I touch and -- seldom, if at all do I see druids shapeshifting at will. It requires some effort to commune with animals and become them, and it should be that way a little bit. Animals shifting into other animals is a little bit more of a fix, and subjectively wouldn't in my opinion kill the feel of it.

raw sluice
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It would kill druids movement. The way the class fights

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Thy don't have sprint or rage. Or any throwing weapons. It would make the class worse than claric. For solos

unique seal
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IronMace give wizard shortsword but right handed and my life is yours

tiny wigeon
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Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

austere bramble
raw sluice
sturdy scroll
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please for the love of god nerf druid, its so stupid that they can disengage and get 2 rooms away in the blink of an eye but they heal to full quickly and then come back and swat you in bear form for a ton of damage......

sturdy scroll
# raw sluice Thy don't have sprint or rage. Or any throwing weapons. It would make the class ...

yeah ok bud, so its ok to just allow druids to chase down players at max speed then instantly transform into a bear with no animation/delay right into a heavy attack that does 50% of a high pdr classes' hp in one hit and when they take the littlest damage they run and jump into a door window as rat then swap back and forth from rat to chicken to get an INSANE distance for them to heal?
sounds like youre a druid main if you believe any of that is even remotely balanced

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prisma plinth
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They should make the player stop moving when equipping new stuff like armor, weapon, utility

tiny wigeon
lucid vortex
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Solution to the ranking system: ranking system is now linearly gained by extracting after gaining a specific amount of AP in raid, what I mean by this is this:

Let's say you need 500 AP to extract as an example, when you extract with this amount, your rank goes through like the 3-4 tiers of neophyte or whatever rank, maybe higher ranks have more tiers to climb through. Dying deranks you by 1 tier. Ap simply determines whether or not you'll hit your rank up in an individual raid, meaning you're not trying to maximize your ap, but simply hit a minimum requirement for your rank up.

frozen delta
# raw sluice It would kill druids movement. The way the class fights

It wouldn't though, just requiring you to be a human before shifting only slows down the druid which is what the problem is, which is why I suggested that as a fix. Even I think, as a druid player that it's excessive just being able to instantly and freely change forms for no cost and no limitation. I like it, sure, but it is OP.

frozen delta
stone dune
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Maybe it could work like Left 4 Dead's push mechanic where the more you use it within a certain timeframe the longer the cooldown between uses gets

frozen delta
halcyon flame
celest leaf
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ADD A RIGHT CLICK MENU WHEN CLICKING ITEMS IN THE LOBBY "FILTER BY ITEMS MARKET" PLEASE

umbral schooner
umbral schooner
shy yacht
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add a reference to "hawk tuah"

stone dune
civic parcel
fiery field
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guys druid is working as intended and is infact needing buffs to its healing please stop crying

prisma plinth
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What do you think of this.

Shapeshift give a big malus on knowledge, that would limit op healing from druid player while being good in shapeshift
New skill: tree of life form: give the user the form of a tree, cant move and have a higher pdr mdr but their spell get a big buff.
Make the spell dreamfire a skill with a cd of 10 sec more less

pallid vector
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i love how everyone complains about bear which isnt a problem, not panther which can 3 auto a slayer fighter, ranger, wizard, warlock, or 5 shot a 150hp barb

austere bramble
pallid vector
austere bramble
pallid vector
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the biggest problems with druid right now is how op their heals are, their insane mobility and panther dmg in high gs's

raw sluice
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Panther can't really kill barb or fighter cuz guess what? They get 2 tapped. I wouldn't say druid is the biggest problem in the game right now. Maybe the full plate pdr fighters at 98% base move speed with a rondal buckler is? But what do I know I play wizard

limber elbow
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this game now is the real piece of .... , Rogue got nerf 5 season , every single patch note , now HR lobby full of Wiz - Warlock - Plate fighter teaming chase all the Rogue in the game . Game just start and 3 random dude teaming finding and killing all the Rogue every game because game have no People playing just same guy every game

frozen delta
ivory quartz
shrewd cape
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It could be nice to have boss play test like you want to train on some bosses instead of going to party you have a mode to go into "boss test" there's no rewards and you can learn safely ; what you think about it ?

pale snow
# raw sluice A hybrid druid won't do anything to a pdr class. I am sry but if u die to bear d...

you absolutely suck with druid then, because people keeping distance does nothing when they can spam transform from bear to panther, pounce, chicken air jump, bear on top of the enemies head from a mile away like airdropping a bear then right click, if they go to block or parry you manipulate your hitbox by simply turning causing you to be unpunishable, and either panther chicken spam away, panther pounce then transform, or a long list of other tactics causing it to be basically incapable of being countered if played right, an unhittable, uncatchable abomination of a class, the main problem is it's ability to transform and cut off other players routes of escapes with thorn wall and vines and ent, and or heal spamming themselves if they get hurt AT ALL and going back to full within .02 seconds, they need to have some way to limit them to either or so they aren't so unbelievably versatile, either spells OR animal forms, or at the very least nerf the animal forms transformation time with the insta cast perk and change it to reduced casting time

crude hill
silent fern
crude hill
silent fern
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?

crude hill
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We all were noobs at some point. Most players from playtest engaged thanks to the high difficult to improve.

silent fern
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I just cant even seem to learn basic pve

crude hill
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Maybe you have a block and need some advices. GL

silent fern
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Wdym

crude hill
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I mean, you enjoy playing right now?

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If it is the case, don't worry you will end up improving. By contrary maybe you are blocked and need some youtube guide or a coach.

silent fern
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Just have pretty bad brain fog, and don't rly enjoy the game much cuz I just get rolled by other noobs and most ai

crude hill
uneven rain
uneven rain
uneven rain
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really great videos on how to deal with any pve

vast osprey
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can we please flatten the top of the big barrels, there is at least one spot where you cannot jump on top of them from even ground and maybe more ms might help? but you cant at 305 at least

austere bramble
spare pollen
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can we buff the named item chances on crypts bosses and nerf the wyvern drop rates to encourage more people going down in crypts and create more pvp in crypts/hell

silent fern
tiny wigeon
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Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

upper hearth
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Make loot sharing in solos a bannable offence of one week.

raw sluice
pale snow
pale snow
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here's a suggestion, the guy spamming two songs with a toothpick and a dunce cap shouldn't be able to kill a demon pact plate dude sacrificing his health for raw power and smacking him with a sword the size of the twink with a big metal toothpick

red orbit
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Add right click for felling axe please

halcyon flame
silent fern
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Yea

modest walrus
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It would be really nice if they brought back Kris Dagger for Warlock again, and in order to compesate for it they'd revert CoP back to it's old old state (before they buffed it) so demon mode can be fun in low gear solos once again.

red orbit
silent fern
potent crag
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I think that rogue right now is actually like almost balanced, the only thing that i would change is 4/5 more secs to de hide, sometimes i dont even reach to use 10 footsteps

red orbit
silent fern
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Wish there was an easier way to learn the bosses tho

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I have to waste like 5 minutes just to get there any hardly learn anything cuz i die almost immediately

narrow coral
silent fern
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Interesting

raw sluice
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if druid was so meta why is every one on fighter in my solo hr? cuz fighter is better.

clever anvil
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Why rubysilver cuirass has 3-5 strength roll ?

pale snow
# raw sluice i mean i dont think druid heals beat clarics no matter what u say. or else every...

I'm not saying it does beat them point for point of healing, what I AM saying however is that it has better utility due to the fact you sacrifice less to retain the healing, as well as the passive healing being incredible with buffball warlock as it cancels out quite literally all of the downsides allowing a warlock to spam power of sacrifice like it's nothing, and can still heal while being able to one shot full vigor max health PDR barbs in HR runs which is BEYOND nutty, "functioning as intended" translates to "I'm a dev and I control the balance of the game, I main this class and enjoy exploiting it's blatanty obvious broken bull, so I'm going to just tell people in the nicest terms possible to go F themselves"

vapid galleon
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One is for instant, massive heals if built properly and the other is for sustain and ignore, meaning a 'cast and forget', enabling the Druid to be more active- whilst the Cleric, actively has to focus on solely healing to keep a front line front-linin' and what not.

loud mirage
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Delete Ice Cavern from the game.

pale snow
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and considering the actual healing potential isn't that much worse numbers wise while having a benefit of being more flexible, something this class is far too good at doing because that's literally the entire point of fighter and it does it so well that it's just flat out better at DPS, tanking, healing (due to it's ability to do so flexibly and not lose focus on everything but healing and still have good ability with it) and mobility, no class even gets close in capability in any facet of gameplay, nothing can and ever will match it's maneuverability short of actual legitimate flight and the ability to phaze through doors which will STILL be worse due to casting times, nothing can match it's current damage because one click ends 99% of builds, the 1% being a buffball vigor check barb, and an ability to heal flexible enough to actually benefit more than a cleric due to not needing to aim for shit and or focus on healing unlike cleric with the added benefit of a perk tailored to bonk warlock (which I actually like that perk, melee on warlock should be forced with armor and come with melee-focused benefits, encouraging variety within the class and nerfing caster warlock in a way that allows it's other features to be somewhat rebuffed

red orbit
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Add kill leaderboard

hybrid holly
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I would like the ability to mute certain people in trafing post.
By mute, I mean hide the message.
It should be possible to do this from the right click.

fading pewter
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what is everyone playing? I don't see very many people in games.

raw sluice
halcyon flame
hybrid holly
wicked rose
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make weapons crafted by items that are boss specific (ie spectral hilt warlords blade etc) give the weapon some type of ability of the boss (warlord weapon gets longer hits harder with more kills in a game void blade can put a mini lich circle on someone make the weapon of the spectral hilt give u the a spectral knight dash as a few suggestions) make then like lesser artifacts and have cool abilities

languid thorn
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IM please, add these weapons
Pole Axe (with hammer side and spike tip) - Pole Hammer (With Spike side and spike tip - part1san spear - Billhook

One Hand Axe - HEAVY one hand AXE (with hammer side and spike tip)

Executioner - Great Sword - Estoc - Falx
Bastard Sword - Scimitar - Messer - Short One Hand Spear
Eveningstar

Kite Shield
Targe Shield
Make the Heater Shield model out of metal and more cool
Allow short sword to be used in main hand

still gale
vestal cloud
hybrid holly
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It would be fun to be able to use the skins of the enemy players when you take their torches or bonfires!
In Vallorant, the use of enemy skins has been a good way to chat with friends

tiny wigeon
# languid thorn IM please, add these weapons **Pole Axe** (with hammer side and spike tip) - **P...

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

austere bramble
slow arch
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10 spell wheel druid with more dmg spells

runic kayak
shy yacht
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add a hawk tuah easter egg

manic plover
civic parcel
stuck perch
visual spear
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Keep random rolls but make it so each class has its own loot table. For instance, gear first discovered by a rogue isn't going to roll mem cap or knowledge and gear found by a wizard isn't going to roll physical healing or additional weapon damage.

This way found treasure can still be an exciting part of the game and won't be totally worthless to the player 95% of the time

austere bramble
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Let barbs buff their punches
I want to be known as the Flying Fist of the Goblin Caves

red kite
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The instant queue bug is quite problematic. An easy way to fix it is by removing the map rotation system. Please and thank you.

cunning yacht
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The game seems to be trying to change to much too fast like instead of adding a bunch of new stuff don't also chang major functions like adding ruins express man and religion then also changing the AP system add new stuff then sit give it a bit see how it affects HR while it's live then make your decisions

clever anvil
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SDF means that high-end gear will no longer provide an advantage in PVP but is instead meant for personal satisfaction. If I don’t have an advantage in PVP, why would I need such gear?

pulsar geyser
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Suggestion: Don't fundamentally change the game that has been carefully curated over years and made your company successful

desert cradle
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nerf ranger

sand shard
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@keen onyx if and when you remove stats from armor, may i suggest a system like borderlands in regards to badass rank points. if you are not aware what it is .you will get one of these tokens that give a stat boost (like +1 strength) and then the next time you get a point it randomly gives you 4 stats to pick from. It could be another strength add on but much less. ( +.5 stength) and each time you spec into that same area, the bonus becomes less and less. That way even if we are level 100 we can still earn these stat bonuses to incentivize playing and grinding.

jolly leaf
tropic agate
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delect all mob from arena and mage and ranger .

halcyon flame
jolly leaf
tropic agate
jolly leaf
jolly leaf
cunning yacht
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the TTM is actually the best its felt in a long time

agile blaze
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Let players keep their gear on death, give them a chance to build their best kit over a season and not lose it all in an instant because the other player gear checked them. Introduce pvp titles or special gear that requires x amount of pvp kills to buy from vendor such as World of warcraft. I think this would retain new players. The amount of times ive accidently killed a Timmy in HR then saw they had blue and green gear and then i think to myself 'shit... they probably are gonna quit'. But if they didnt lose their gear then they would learn, maybe grind more for better gear ETC

quaint thunder
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I just wanted to do my community duty and offer my thoughts:
1) Please make quest advancement the same on all characters so that i don't have to play a specific character to advance my rep
2) Please re-work Charismatic Performance. The songs are pretty, i want to hear them without sour notes
3) Fix the expressman by sticking him in the spawn room of the following map. When players leave the spawn, he disappears.
4) Change name colors for accessibility and lower them so that they are easier to see in close combat (color blind mode would be nice)
5) A choice for changing voice. Currently it is locked at character creation
6) Introduce a mail system so that you can send players items without making them join the trading hall.
7) Change savage roar so that it freezes mobs (It glitches and does this anyway half the time)
8) Change arena so that you can only use gear found in the arena. It will slow down progression as the season continues and make it more skill based

steady mirage
# quaint thunder I just wanted to do my community duty and offer my thoughts: 1) Please make ...

I agree with re working charasmatic performance. Make the song play faster with the perk but it fails if you miss one note or something. Effectively achieving the same effect. I doubt anyone who struggles with the mini game is actually playing Bard. That said, I wouldn't want to penalise people who genuinly do need that support.

4 and 5 would be good from an inclusion standpoint.

and while I don't play Barb at all, I could see 7 being more thematic of the class

deft flax
steady mirage
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While we're at it, can Bard not have to loose all their slots to have music?

vestal cloud
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If they get rid of random modifiers and raritys im out that’s literally what i love about this game

vapid badger
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2 things 👀
One : fix the problem when you are rooted by the warlord you cannot jump with panther
Two : add a reroll item ( don’t care about price of that ) that can reroll substats of any gear 👀👀

shy yacht
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crystal ball = 10 ms penalty instead of 15
spellbook = 5 ms penalty instead of 10
react with 👍 if you agree

vapid badger
cold dagger
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instead of having affinity account wide make quests account wide you shouldnt be forced to play a class just bc u have farther quests on that class

silent fern
austere bramble
agile blaze
austere bramble
agile blaze
dark oxide
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The best way to make crypt and inferno viable and fun again and get rid of boss spawn randomness is to put Lich King in crypts and change inferno size to 6x6 and put two boss rooms for Ghost king and Skeleton warlord.

tidal blade
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why the fuck do chicken and panther have the same damaged values???

river vector
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Can someone at Ironmace define the terms of cheating if now in HR its a bannable offense?

abstract veldt
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instead of just making it a banable offence they should bring the storm and random portals back into the game there wasnt any teaming when you didnt even know if you could have a blue or down portal

sacred frigate
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please add misericorde as a epic dagger or just a variant of the rondel its such a iconic dagger and look and feel way more deadly than rondel and stiletto

vivid schooner
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If you're going to threaten the player base with bans maybe you guys need to explicitly state in your patch notes what level of "friendliness" constitutes a ban? If I am observing a situation and don't want to take the fight with a specific person is that ban worthy? Do I need to run it down against every person I see even if it's a bad fight for me just to avoid a ban?

coral heron
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This whole being ban for not fighting in HR seems crap too me. So now we either run, fight, or get ban... I get no pre teaming, I get no teaming generaly even to clear rooms n such, I get all of that, but making not fighting bandable seems stupid. Making not fighting a banable offense is stupid because it is forcing this to be aalmost only a pvp game. Might as well get rid of mobs, leave chests, and just turn the whole game into a huge arena at this point... @keen onyx @dawn grotto I think this is a bad change as you are trying to force people to play your game your way instead of making a game and letting ppl play it they way they want. Remember what happened to HellDivers2 when they did the same thing, it was bad...

sacred frigate
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one massive change that i think everyone would appreciate would be to have control on what gear and weapon skin is show, at least have a basic form of it that let u select skin from your class, but best and what would make a amazing feature would be to be able to select skin from any class, this suggestion may sound useless to some but to me this would make me be able to select gear base on better stat for my class, because its not what i am doing i select my gear base on skin that i like first then i will select base on stat, to me how i look mather more.. even if its penalize me to me how i look change how play, even if there is no roleplay at all in dark in darker i always will be a big roleplayer

cold lark
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It's a lose/lose situation where you either promote freedom and allow rule breakers to skirt around the system, or you restrict freedom in order to tighten the system around the rule breakers and give them no room to act. No matter what happens some portion of the game populace will be unhappy. So they simply chose what they believe will produce better results

vivid schooner
# cold lark Their communication is wonky, but the part you should be paying attention to is ...

"Friendly encounters are prohibited" If you decide to avoid eachother that is being friendly towards one another, no? I agree they likely mean overt teaming like that but to threaten bans with this poor of wording is not ok. If the person you are avoiding just happened to kill another player and that dead person is now spectating you two "avoiding each other" they are likely going to throw a report. My suggestion was primarily that they need to be more specific with their wording and rules if they are going to threaten bans. You are also assuming you know exactly what they meant by that, which I don't think anybody does.

cold lark
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Again, you're focusing on the wrong part of the message. I can say with high confidence that "friendly encounters" is not what they're looking at, and that's just some colorful wording SDF chose to use after the main part of the message, which was "teaming".

And ignoring each other is not teaming. Nor are they likely to enforce any kind of punishment if they don't have definitive evidence of teaming

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I assume to know what they mean cause we've been through this together already as a community. And they've made their thoughts very clear multiple times in the past when these things have popped up

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They want to get rid of non organic teamers who're exploiting the game for a competitive edge. In all likely hood, I think this rule will give them an "excuse" so to speak to ban people who they think are competitively teaming but hiding behind an "organic" mask.

vivid schooner
cold lark
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I do agree that communication needs to be more thorough. I'm just trying to reassure people they're not going to get banned for bullshit reasons

fathom wyvern
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I understand removing teaming in HR, but removing ALL friendly interactions is weird imo. Not everyone does HR for the AP grind and its lame that if you want to fight harder mobs that just means you arent allowed to be friendly at all with anyone you see :/

crude hill
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Sorry ironmace but no type of teaming should be banneable. If 2 or more players don't want to fight let them. If 2 or more players want to team to have advantage over a solo player let them. If 2 or more players want to team for easier pve let them. Teaming is the ABC of any RPG, and one of the few good things we have in dark and darker. If some players are annoyed by teaming is because you forced a competitive philosophy on a game that never needed it and that if trys to compete with real competitive games like csgo, lol, dota, starcraft, ... will lose.

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If you have a lot of players made of crystal is your fault.

Sdf said yesterday that he wants a real Dungeon crawler experience. Well, it was a lie.

I will spam friendly interactions and teaming until they ban me.

To finish just say that this is not a misunderstanding, sdf is very clear about what he said.

digital geyser
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fix the ladders in this game, how hard could it be?

compact pilot
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Once again, it buffers speed for cac and lowers action speed for distance classes. Nothing for Mage/Ranger except nerf at every fucking patch : This game gonna die.

wicked grove
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Nerf all daggers, problem solved

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Actually rapire can be nerfed too. It's silly that a car antenna hits so fast and does so much damage

coral heron
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@keen onyx I was thinking all about the interviews I have seen of you, and all the comments from you I have read about the game, and I think you already have the solution to the problems facing the game as you keep stating it from what I understand. You say the game is too friendly, that people have too much gear fear, that the economy is over inflated, that real money in the game is a big problem, that less scrupulous need to be dis-incentivized, that you want faster TTK, better skill expression on classes, and people to be able to maximumly express their skill in the game by making 1v3 possible.

I think you already have the solution to this, I think what you did in the arena will fix the game more generally for the changes you wish to make, make all lobby's operate on the found crafted system the arena does.

If you implement the found crafted system for the whole game it would make things as a whole feel less bad, and allow people to PVP more in the normal raids and HR raids. Players can still make money off kills looting their loot, bought gear, and supplies. it rewards the more hardcore players while punishing people who buy gold, just like in the arena. I think if you did that players wouldn't have as big a problem with HR forcing pvp with the new rules, and it would allow the game to focus more on skill expression then gold grinding. It would fix the over inflated economy, shifting it to crafting materials, making kits cheaper to buy so you could go in and get gear to have looted titles or materials for crafting. Further more it would allow players practice with setups they like, allowing for more diversity in play style. @dawn grotto if this seems like a good idea, please help SDF with any parts that might not translate well. I think you have the potential for one of the best games of all time, thus I trust you on direction; and if I am right about the things you want to change, then I think this fix would work great for those problems.

limber elbow
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Druid 100% power got nerf like 20% power .. is that fair ??? - Fighter PDR +200hp still survive another patch no nerf ... is that FAIR ????

halcyon flame
cold frigate
halcyon flame
lunar current
topaz meadow
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https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/562441/increase-hit-box-for-chickens-peckclaw-attack

honestly at this point after the unnecessary chicken nerf I’d be down to take another one if it meant we could hit shit consistently. Give me long neck chicken or even just like 30% bigger chicken model if it means I can actually fucking peck someone in the torso or back. The form’s attack was borderline useless to begin with and unless they sneaky fixed it with this patch there’s literally no point in using chicken. Might as well just take the armor pen away or the peck away entirely.

shy yacht
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add a hawk tuah reference

prisma shadow
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Talk tuah

hardy forge
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Druid is busted as shit, put a Cooldown between each transformation. shit is wack .

clever prism
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xd druid is dead already

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quests should be account wide, so that if you decide to kill some class with your balance patches, I could take another one and continue the quests.

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also let me turn off this annoying background noise in tavern

mystic yoke
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For the love of god, remove the concept of lobbies entirely and let us randomly drop into a huge dungeon landscape with no way of knowing exactly how many people are in there, or where they spawned (or when). Let us take down portals the instant we find them and get rid of this dumb time limit thing which is just the wish.com version of a closing circle. Reduce the amount of escape exits to 2-3 per map and make them infinitely re-usable, setting up natural PvP hotspots. You want a dungeon crawler but you keep injecting BR mechanics for some reason, well WE WANT A DUNGEON CRAWLER TOO, GET RID OF THE DAMN BR MECHANICS

barren nova
cold dagger
little acorn
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fix coins not going into coin bags/ purses/chest asap even if u have coin purse on you lotting coins in game don't even go into purse you got to drag it into it

austere bramble
ruby mesa
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I think all of us here can agree that both bear and cat forms of druid needed to be addressed and hit with a nerf/tweak hammer pretty well, but why did chicken need to be lumped into a massive downshift in pvp-ability?

Chicken form is already arguably the most difficult thing in the game to land a hit with due to how hitboxes interact with a chicken, and now these changes have made it so the form is incapable of offense whatsoever.

Please join me in the push to re-instate chicken to the form it was before so it's not devolved into specifically a movement form to pair with panther jumps.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/587331/revert-chicken-changes

crude hill
austere bramble
austere bramble
crude hill
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solos should have never been in the game, devs want to remove it but they will remove duos first because solos have a lot of players

austere bramble
neat lava
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Barbs should not be able to 360 degree cleave with a 2 hander

crude hill
topaz meadow
ruby mesa
proper shadow
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HOLY SHIT FIX THE GOD DAMN MATCHING FOR ARENA. I can only craft copper gear and EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR 5 HOURS I watch matched against people with full gold and frost light gear I want to like this game but it really feels like the developers really REALLY don’t want me to like it

topaz meadow
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Honestly? If they made chicken like 30% bigger (which theoretically would make their neck longer/increase range) I would be okay with that if it meant I could reliably peck.

The people want big 🐓 and we want it now

austere bramble
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@crude hill So ur saying because people are playing the mode they want to play (solos and duos) that a solo can’t usually win in a 1v3 but because there wasn’t a solos or duos option people just fought solos in trios rather than it’s own dedicated mode which means u didn’t know whether it was gonna be a fair fight or a gank

austere bramble
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Teamings only a problem if it gives the teamers more people working together to kill u and ur team than u have in ur team

wheat birch
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why do people keep saying wizard is nerfed?

jagged cargo
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If @keen onyx is seriously trying to focus pvp, and is taking our ability to use charisma in the dungeon to survive encounters we would lose if straight fought, then move the whole game to the same found/crafted item system of the arena. Then people won't be afraid to fight, and ppl will be less pissed all the time so they will play more and grind less.

coral heron
dusty gale
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Add assist AP score in HR to get AP if you did more then 70% dmg to player and he got killed by skeleton

coral heron
jolly leaf
crude hill
# austere bramble <@310848547849502721> So ur saying because people are playing the mode they want...

Yes and it is what make sense if you want to have a class based game with strong identities. If you start balancing around 3 different game modes you end up with thousands of hot-fixes that slowly removes class identity. Wasted resources to make the game worse.

Players wants asymmetrical games but don't want to face unfair situations and that is what happens with solo/duos. You have classes designed to be PvE oriented, Party dependents, PvP oriented, etc... All with strong class identities that lead to unfairness.

Ironmace had a very good first idea to deal with unfairness and it was randomness. With all the variables of a dungeon without restrictions you will end up having good games eventually no matter the class. But you can't design your game this way and hope no one complains. Instead of improving that they gave player what they asked having to spend hours and hours working on hotfixes to balance 3 games in 1.

Players now have their solo/duo but also less updates, more restrictions, flatter class designs, less roleplay, less variety of matches and the perception of DaD as a PvP competitive esport.

severe crystal
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change how being able to report people works because it's tied to who you can spectate and you can't spectate enemy's thus i can't report people if they did cheat/whatever

bright fulcrum
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Fix your servers. The rubberbanding in this game is the most aggressive I have ever experienced in any game. It's literally unplayable

cunning yacht
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I have been playing nonstop trios with Randoms and talking about what @keen onyx has been talking about and have not found a single player who thinks it's a good idea to drastically change the gear what made this game feel so good was the fact that with enough time you could be stacked and create a kit that feels powerful and is a big reason the game felt so different from others and taking that aspect of the game away would just make people not want to put time into the game it would cause players to leave since the game wouldn't have what drew them in the game this season has felt really good besides the HR and talking about huge changes would just kill the player base that's staying

cold lark
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Technically he's not dealing more. It's just that he's practically as effective while taking significantly less. Even if a ranger does 10, 20, or even 30% more than a fighter, it doesn't matter if a fighter with a bow can still chunk you for a fifth of your HP. And even when fighting back against him he reduces that damage by half or more with PDR.

coral heron
halcyon flame
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We don’t have to imagine

dark lynx
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Maybe be a bit less heavy handed with nerfs and buffs. You can adjust classes in small ways and give them time to breath to see if you need to adjust again. This is like the 4th time i have seen a class get gutted with what seems to be no plans to stent the bleeding. I think my druid is doing 35% ish less damage on swings while hitting slower. No class would survive that kind of nerf especially since the hammer only nerf there were no benifits given anywhere else. Any classs take a 35% damage nerf and 10% ATS nerf they gonna fail. My bear paws are like 30 damage more then my spear in my HR kit. Now either i got to settle for a boring class or find a new game.

proper shadow
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Why do I have to put 10,000 hours into the game before I can have the same gear/carafts as the people I’m constantly and I do mean CONSTANTLY matched with in arena??? Why am I not allowed to have fun fighting people unless I quit my fuckin day job and abandon my social life just to get an even fight….fuck everything else FIX MATCHCMAKING you can add crafting unlocks to the mmr. It doesn’t even need to change the number JUST MAKE IT SO IF I CANT CRAFT FROST LIGHT GEAR I DONT FUCKING FIGHT FROSTLIGHT AND GOLD AND RUBY SILVER EVERY GOD DAMN GAME!

proper shadow
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Yuh know if they made Druid anything like and actual dungeons and dragons Druid lol but that would be crazzzzzzy

tiny wigeon
stuck perch
tiny wigeon
lethal flume
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It certainly is 90% of the content including ability’s spells etc all exist in dnd there are some things they strain from but for the most part it is heavily inspired

autumn beacon
lethal flume
lethal flume
lethal flume
autumn beacon
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By creating a new account they would actually handicap themselves more than they would benefit.

autumn beacon
# lethal flume It acc sort of is supposed to be crafted gear vs crafted gear rn… they want mmr ...

With a.i. becoming so advance you'd think there would be a way to even incorporate it into matchmaking. Have a.i. scan a multitude of factors in your stats - hours played, wins, win/loss ratio, win streak, lose streak, # of kills/deaths, games played etc... then place you appropriately. This is as close to a fair balance as you could achieve. Gear Score just doesn't really work because I may get lucky and find a legendary piece, but my skill level isn't no where near ready to go against others in legendary. Not to mention if I'm a white gear going against other whites, or green facing greens, blue facing blues, then what's the point of ever risking anything and leaving the squire lobbies?

My experience usually goes like this. Win some games, get out with some loot, start stashing me some pieces for a 124+ lobby. When i finally think I'm ready, I equip my last 2 hrs worth of work, queue up, then get destroyed by the first player I make eye contact with. How motivated am I to jump into another game and do it all over again? I'm more interested in uninstalling and beating my PC with a ball bat. Current system just doesn't work. I been playing pvp games for 2 decades, and usually pretty good at them. This game makes me feel like I'm mentally challenged and never played a video game in my life.

ionic drum
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where do I report teaming with a clip?

faint onyx
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Itemization is hell as a wizard. If it doesnt have true or additional magic then its trash gear. You need ot have everything you can with true or additional or your class is garbage and all the other classes get to have perfectly itemised special gear sets. Like what the fuck is demon set for warlock. Barbarians in copperlight 330 move speed and all str gear wtf is that.... Wizards over here like can I get a 2% magic damage bonus babbbyyyy

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Game balancing in general is a massive weak point for this game. The changes come hard and fast, the meta is almost always unstable and classes are either god tier or trash.

lethal flume
autumn beacon
lethal flume
# autumn beacon When I'm on there's usually around 10k. That should be more than enough to balan...

they changed the queue system not long ago it used to take a while before and most the player count complained and stopped playing. the issue with this right is balancing it for casuals and sweats rn as is sweats are the majority of this game or atleast people who have multiple 100s of hours. imo they need to focus on this courtcase then set up some events after thats all done get the player base back up and then work on the rest

livid coral
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@keen onyx would you consider adding a fighter or a general skill for all classes that allows your character to kick open doors that applies a stun or slow effect to other players near the door? Salute

lethal flume
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personally imo its not needed their are 3 classes that can alr open doors without opening them and thats barb.druid.bard maybe one more but i dont think so

livid coral
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I think having more door related skills between classes would be pretty interesting, for example wizards being able to seal doors temporarily or apply a trap like spell kind of like how TES morrowind had on some chests and doors.

heady lynx
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Would a Gorgone/Medusa race skin be too far outside of the realm of possibilities?

lethal flume
lethal flume
heady lynx
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Hmm, then maybe something akin to a yuan-ti from tabletop d&d?
I guess what my suggestion boils down to is snek people

livid coral
coral heron
clever prism
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rollback 10% AS penalty for bear, you overnerfed it

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and do to mages what u did to druid kill them nerf scaling buff squire gear

ruby mesa
halcyon flame
ruby mesa
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They took it from the form that was far and away the most difficult to land a hit on, possibly the most difficult thing in the game to land a hit with, but at least had decent damage payoff if/when you got the hits, to a form that is still just as hard to land anything with, but now you have to land up to twice the hits on someone to kill them.

tepid crane
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am i crazy to think they should remove lightfoots from the game? i feel like there are so many feet options and most of the time you cant even use them because green lightfoots are just better 😦

topaz meadow
stuck perch
austere bramble
tepid crane
austere bramble
tepid crane
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anyone that can afford it does

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would love to see a craftable agi ring 😄 agi will or agi vigor would be HUGE

deft raptor
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Some players have internet issues that cause lag
Maybe there is a way for devs to make the game less ping depend
Or add some other servers like there is no middle east server

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Its not even that much ping depend it is like u need really stable internet or it gonna make u have packet losd and lag

loud elk
tranquil tiger
frank relic
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They need to add a better way for newer players to practice pvp. It’s hard sometiems to find no gear score arena matches and pvp in regulars extraction is uncommon.

It’s annoying when you barely find people and when you do they have a ton of fame

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3v3 arena is also bad for duels with randoms because most of the time you’re gonna be getting hit by 2 people at the same time

ashen canyon
dark lynx
# proper shadow Or try support Druid

Bard is a support classes and is pretty much god teir Solo and duo. Cleric can support, tank, caster and Melee build. This game is inspired by D and D but not a D and D game. Its 100% not my full kit bear was doing 302 Damage head shots to dummies in GC and now is down to 185 if you want to be tech thats about 39% damage reduction. My bear Full kit is stacked Main stat STR and rolls Action>Dex>Vig>Max HP % . So yes the extra 10 action speed loss is still a 10% action speed loss. I have a 15k Mostly Legendary kit that is borderline useless. Worse part is druid super fun due to high apm compared to most classes and it required thought to play. Played my LS fighter bored in 3 games. Played My Lock Same thing . Barb i just left the game and haven't logged back into him dont know if the kit was taken or not didnt care enough. Problem with this game is your average player is complete dog water but thinks they are good. People cry about every class and beg for nerfs but the dont take time to even learn the details of their own class. Messaged a YT creator crying about bear on how to counter (was a felling axe barb) and his answer was that not how i want to play. Game isnt how you want to play its how you survive and find ways to counter every class or at least knowing when you are out gun. If i dont have my Str>Dex>Agi set i dont fuck with warlocks rangers and wizards. Because the counter me. I don't think a nerf to druid is a bad thing but try 10% damage loss or if you are going to do a huge nerf to all forms of damage then give something to help counter act all the loss

dark lynx
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MS should only get benifit from boots. Agi shouldnt exist. Classes like ranger and Rogue should have a slightly higher base ms and only boots should add to the number. Everything else shout net 0 or negatively impact the number. No reason for full plate fighters base speed be as high as cloth gear. MS is a overwhelming stats and should be toned down made static.

austere bramble
frank relic
obsidian minnow
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Thoughts on making a kit tab in the stash?

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like where you can stage kits instead of organzing in inventory as different kits take different storage space

austere bramble
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So squire but for good gear?

obsidian minnow
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Yeah like you still have to purchase additional slots but you can get all gear in one spot

halcyon flame
halcyon flame
vital obsidian
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If it was level locked at like level 15, it would be sick if it would be like, “You don’t have a ‘Rare Falchion” and then clicking it takes you to the market, filtering ‘Rare Falchions’

halcyon flame
frank relic
vital obsidian
proven hinge
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will banshee get changed

tidal lake
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Move speed meta is an awful product of bad design choices and not utilitizing the test server to actually test changes

dark lynx
# frank relic How do you do that without dragging every single mob with you and possible getti...

Most mobs take 2 secs to deal with or you can bait an attack run past open and close a door on the mob. Also you can grab 2-3 mobs and drag kill them to clear faster most of the time you are solo within 1 node of your spawn point clear what you have to and a good rule of thumb for PvP have a regroup area preset you know you can shut a door and heal up without threat of a gobo blowing your back out

prisma shadow
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While this suggestion may be ignored by players and developers, I believe I should make it if it is ever considered.

Today, I’m suggesting the addition of slings.

Now, what is a sling? A sling is a projectile weapon typically used to throw objects such as rocks or lead bullets at high velocities. They have been used in warfare since the Neolithic era and have been used to deadly effect against armies of the classical era and beyond.

Slings are underrepresented in contemporary media and rarely discussed. Few games implement Slings, but a prominent one is Chivalry: Medieval Warfare. In this game, slings are medium-damage weapons capable of launching two types of projectiles: rocks and lead sling bullets, which are made for armored targets.

In Dark and Darker, slings could be implemented not as a singular weapon but as two weapons:

Balearic Slings:

These are your stereotypical slings. They deal low-medium damage and are fast to reload. They essentially act as the counterparts to the Crossbow/Recurve Bow. Because of the simplicity of these slings, they are quite nimble, allowing the user a high degree of mobility. They have the same range as a Staff Sling but cannot throw anything heavier than what the staff sling throws.

Staff Slings:

These are slings attached to a staff. They deal medium-high damage due to the ability to throw heavier projectiles at much greater distances than the Balearic slings. They act as the counterparts to the Windlass Crossbow/Longbow. They have the same range as a Balearic sling but are slower to reload. Because of the size of their projectile, they could serve to deal with more blunt force trauma.

In game:

In game, the Balearic Sling and Staff Sling both work as skirmisher weapons. The Balearic Sling, specifically, chips away at their health until an opportunity arises to finish your opponent with melee. Both slings have different purposes and use different types of ammunition. The Balearic Sling uses Lead-Bullets, with slight armor penetration, while the Staff Sling uses large rocks, with an emphasis on blunt force.

Balearic Sling Game Design:

The Balearic Sling is meant to be the fastest and possibly the one with the fastest DPS. With slight armor penetration thanks to the lead bullets (anything around 5%), the Balearic Sling is meant to chip away damage, a completely different role than the Staff Sling, which specializes in slowing down the target. The Balearic Sling would have a projectile velocity of 35 m/s 2:35 But would have less damage than a Survival Bow at around 18-19 Damage. The Balearic Sling would have a much ‘slow effect’ than the bows, but not by much.

Staff Sling Game Design:

The Staff Sling is meant to be the heavy hitter of the slinger class. While Staff Sling offers no armor penetration due to the blunt projectiles, it offers more damage. The Staff Sling is meant to slow opponents down, either while facing your opponent or if they are running away. The Staff Sling will have projectiles traveling at a similar speed to the Balearic Slinger 30-35 m/s, but would have more damage than a survival bow at around 24-25 Damage. The Staff Sling would feel much slower than the Balearic Sling and Survival Bow but would offer a ‘slow effect’ almost on par with the Windlass Crossbow. This can be adjusted based on player thoughts and balance.

The addition of Slinger weapons could bring variety to the ranger class, which lacks any significant content in the form of weaponry or perks (looking at you, Campfire Mastery.) The addition of the slinger weapons could add variety to the dungeon and make justice for the slinger weapons, which are so underrated in media such as movies and video games.

halcyon flame
austere bramble
proper shadow
dark lynx
proper shadow
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Also pdr is negative 15 % on dummies

dark lynx
proper shadow
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Again you are the only class that is literally and I mean LITERALLY unkillable of your good

ruby mesa
dark lynx
proper shadow
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Why would you be trying to bear paw a long sword??? Like I said bro if you’re good your unkillable

prisma shadow
dark lynx
proper shadow
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If you are trying to bear a long sword fighter you shouldn’t be playing Druid

dark lynx
# proper shadow No one catch you period bro…You can not be caught if you are good. You can not d...

Alright game done. Druids Bear Right click has a decent recovery time so if you space properly you can punish with anyweapon. Most classes have range options such as crossbows bows and magic. Most class can use a 2-h that out ranges the bears abilities . Spear, Bardiche for sure can hit a bear while not being able to be hit. Longswords will punish a bad swing even left click swing has a chance if not a push back to get parried on the through swing. Bears are slower then any classes cant fit alot of areas and terrain is the biggest enemy of a bear. Panthers can output high damage but take timing and knowlege to play effectively since your hp pull is 75% of ur base allowing most hard hitters to clap your cheeks. Hybrid building is possible but you go from strong in either to doable in both. Druid Healing is mediocre due to HoT 15 hp over 10s mid fight doesnt matter to the instant healing a cleric can do meding grove is sanctuary with less of a zone and restore is strong but again a HoT. Instant heals are better heals. Druids have high movement yes, but you can shut down alot of it with a oil lantern or a explosive bottle. You dont want the druid to shapeshift. Get ontop of them their shapeshifting is super clunky. a mere pebble on the ground can prevent a transformation. Rat form is 1 shotable although it ius very useful. Chicken got a dmg nerf and its attack is so fked it gambling to hit. Literally all a druid has now is movment. But since no class can keep up whats the point. You gonna run and leave your team to do what? your clear time is much less so you cant preclear for you dps or tank you have to hold their pockets cause you cant holdout now. Casting is a joke. Our 1 dps spell for 15 damage lamo. Treants are easily killed takes 2 hits from most players.

abstract bone
dark lynx
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this season first time I have played a druid at lvl 160, Its the only class that really needs a brainstem to play. There is so much quick decisions that are need to be made and reaction time test. There are many times as a druid a bunked shapeshift = gameover cause there is a slight terrain incline. Reason you hate druid cause your bad and dumb. When you run face first into and heavy hitter and repeat you deserve to lose your kit. I have literally bonked players launched them 20 yds away and the come running back in. Thats natural selection. "Druid's movement op" let me see you play a druid and do all the move tech. Do you know how many players can even chicken pounce to bear form properly? maybe 5-10% of druids due to it needs to be properly time and distance and elevation has to be accounted for. Hell i spent 1hr learning how to just jump through a door at a incline. How much have you spent on your class to learn anymove tech. prob none cause most classes are basic and straight forward. Since most fighters use longswords you work on how to get around them. As a druid i have to feint strikes and drag and if i hear a ping i have to react fast enought to shape shift rat create spacing jump shift back into bear or if i dont i lose 2/3 my hp (which as a bear was 240) and each parry swing legit does close to 1/3 hp if you dont. but getting 2 shot by a parry better then a slow ass bear who can follow up a second hit nearly as fast lol

dark lynx
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Hell there is no point to support as a druid only thing you bring noone else does is a thorn barrier (scratch that warlocks have hydra). Why not just play a cleric who can out heal a druid, provide better buffs, Revive, oh and their spells scale really well. Also in D and D dont druid just lose form when it dies? I be fine if you allow me to have 5 diffrent lives lol

jolly leaf
silent fern
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Anyone able to help me go over a video and teach me how to dodge this wyvern phase transition (ignore the rest im still learning)

stone dune
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Two quality of life ideas: skills showing their cooldown next to their name and the ability to have perk, skill, and armor loadouts so you can quickly switch between subclasses like slayer fighter and normal fighter or healer cleric and bonk cleric

proper shadow
proper shadow
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And you shut down nothing with and oil lantern it takes less then a second to move out of the fire (IF IT EVEN LANDS AT YOUR FEET) and it takes even less time to transform so that points null and void what else you got

dark lynx
# proper shadow Unkillable yes…you literally can’t tell me any different lol (again ONLY if you ...

Oil lantern 1 shots rats. So if you transform into a rat in fire your dead if you transform and move forward give enemy time to hit you. you use it as a prevenetive measure. How can a druid rat throgh a door if its on fire? My point was there is tons of counter measures to a druid but players are to stupid to do it and just whine like children. DrUiDs HiT To HaRd. Riposte 2 taps 99% of the classes. BeAr DrUiDs To TaNkY. Skinny pete last video just showed his PDR barb face 2 pre nerf druids no problem. You cry about a class cause your bad. Druids could reset. Damn they the only ones.... Oh wait dbl jump rogues can get in unreachable areas clerics shut a door and heal up. Barbs can heal faster then 2nd wind with potion chugger which takes 2 s to drink a potion whats that like 25 health in mere secs. thats better then a druids heal spell. The one thing i will say takes no skill is chicken to bear landmine and i think both chicken and rat form should make noises to prevent. But other then that. everything people whine about druid comes down to them just being bad and not trying to adapt but wanting their one playstyle to be unstoppable.

proper shadow
# dark lynx Oil lantern 1 shots rats. So if you transform into a rat in fire your dead if yo...

First of alll…why are you trying to rat through fire? Why would someone do that ? And as for your comment about other classes resetting yeah other classes can reset…every class can it’s called health pots bud. MY POINT being no class has the opportunity to just disengage from a fight ENTIRELY AND ALMOST INSTANTLY. So while you can’t one shot with bear anymore you still have THE MOST survivability out of any class and yes even clerics survive LESS then Druids. So again YOU CAN’T HAVE IT ALL DUDE! There are not really ANY options to trap a Druid besides a literal ranger trap which would normally be a death sentence for any classes but guess what not Druids lol plus dude if someone throws a oil lantern at a door why would a Druid go through it why would anyone?? Instead the Druids going to jump to the other side of the module and open a different door lol I’m not saying “nerf Druids harder” I’m not saying “Druid op” I’m saying be happy you can clear a module almost instantly and you ARE UNKILLABLE as long as you practice where every other class has to take space into account far more then Druids. I get you are upset the transformations don’t work all the time but do you at least understand how while SOMETIMES you can’t transform to disengage NO OTHER CLASS CAN CHOOSE TO DISENGAGE LIKE THAT PERIOD. Jesus dude

dark lynx
rare mountain
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A vision perk for ranger pls, like seeing better in the dark and locating arrow

proper shadow
# dark lynx Im saying if you throw a oil lantern to cut off rat getaways. THen you just stop...

Did you even read my message dude. Okay I throw an oil later at the door that’s the Druid is going to go through. Boom that SINGULAR exit is blocked you are right about that ONE escape being blocked but guess what dude, you can literally fly to a different door in less then a second so no the Druids escape is not cut off, I am a level 82 Druid I’ve played it since it came out rather then just this wipe like yourself. And IVE NEVER CALLED IT OP I LITERALLY SAID THAT LIKE 4 times god Almighty this mofo dumb as rocks lol. See how you resort to just insulting someone you literally know nothing about. Ps if anyone is yapping it’s clearly you on account of you addressing/ negating literally any of my points. You have lost this debate

proper shadow
rare mountain
proper shadow
rare mountain
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I mean the rogue double-jump will minus the rogue moving speed right?
So I think that's a negative effect when have it in your perk (My english is not good)

grave stirrup
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#MakeLegendariesLegendaryAgain

STOP GIVING EM OUT IN QUEST REWARDS pls

rare mountain
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Quiver for ranger!

patent pond
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Honestly, they should make Resourcefulness increase Physical Healing. Resourcefulness is the worst stat in the game because it provides little to no benefit in combat. Healing from potions can be increased by using will, but there isn't any way to actually increase the healing gained from bandages other than through modifiers. Adding Phys healing scaling would be a good way to make Resourcefulness useful, and make it so the classes that have high resourcefulness as a base stat don't feel completely useless early game due to the more important stats being so low.

prisma shadow
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It really is though

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Resourcefulness should just have more of an effect on the cooldown if anything

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It feels like you are barely reducing the cool down of your perks when you use it. Like why stack 30 resourcefulness for 1 1/2 seconds on my cool down of 13 seconds

ruby mesa
rare mountain
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arrows variant for ranger.
+Arrow cause bleeding
+Arrow with poison
+Arrow blunt head causes stun/slow
+Dynamite arrowhead
+Light arrow (flies faster and longer but does less damage)
+Frozen arrow
+Flame arrow
+Iron/Copper/Gold/Ruby arrow
+Wolf-fang arrow (help to deal shield and armor-plate enemy
+Sticky arrow (make enemy slow down)

tepid crane
tepid crane
lament drum
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@keen onyx You will kill the purpose of progression and gear if you add the abilities for squire geared players to be able to be a match to high geared players, I understand you dislike GBMM but that's not a solution, you could minimize the risk of low geared players being destroyed in PVP if you add the long waited large maps with random generated modifiers and maybe make it so that low geared spawn on map edges and high geared spawn on mid section and add normal/elite HR mobs on edges and nightmare/UltraHR on mid and make high valued loot to drop more on mid sections (that would also encourage low geared players to take risks and eventually venture to mid sections) and I guess geared players wont be able to rush low gear spawns due to lack of interest on low gear and for the fact that you want mobs to be able to open doors and roam the map eventually so I think that might alleviate the problem for a while until you introduce a better system. ( Thats my opinion it might have a lot of flaws but I think its for the best for the health of the game.)

shy yacht
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@keen onyx please add a reference to the "hawk tuah" meme (easter egg)

distant burrow
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can we get the felidian to close his damn mouth

ionic yew
# lament drum <@907471106796056587> You will kill the purpose of progression and gear if you ...

I understand what they're aiming for and I agree with it - every other extraction pvp game has an "equalizer" so low-geared players have a chance to win against gigachads

Its unfair to pit low geared players against high geared ones, in the knowledge that high geared players WILL kill the low-geared. There's no question about it right now, they're looking to try and give the little guy at least an opportunity to "head-eyes" their high-geared target

lament drum
prisma shadow
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While this suggestion may be ignored by players and developers, I believe I should make it if it is ever considered.

Today, I’m suggesting the addition of slings.

Now, what is a sling? A sling is a projectile weapon typically used to throw objects such as rocks or lead bullets at high velocities. They have been used in warfare since the Neolithic era and have been used to deadly effect against armies of the classical era and beyond.

Slings are underrepresented in contemporary media and rarely discussed. Few games implement Slings, but a prominent one is Chivalry: Medieval Warfare. In this game, slings are medium-damage weapons capable of launching two types of projectiles: rocks and lead sling bullets, which are made for armored targets.

In Dark and Darker, slings could be implemented not as a singular weapon but as two weapons:

Balearic Slings:

These are your stereotypical slings. They deal low-medium damage and are fast to reload. They essentially act as the counterparts to the Crossbow/Recurve Bow. Because of the simplicity of these slings, they are quite nimble, allowing the user a high degree of mobility. They have the same range as a Staff Sling but cannot throw anything heavier than what the staff sling throws.

Staff Slings:

These are slings attached to a staff. They deal medium-high damage due to the ability to throw heavier projectiles at much greater distances than the Balearic slings. They act as the counterparts to the Windlass Crossbow/Longbow. They have the same range as a Balearic sling but are slower to reload. Because of the size of their projectile, they could serve to deal with more blunt force trauma.

In game:

In game, the Balearic Sling and Staff Sling both work as skirmisher weapons. The Balearic Sling, specifically, chips away at their health until an opportunity arises to finish your opponent with melee. Both slings have different purposes and use different types of ammunition. The Balearic Sling uses Lead-Bullets, with slight armor penetration, while the Staff Sling uses large rocks, with an emphasis on blunt force.

Balearic Sling Game Design:

The Balearic Sling is meant to be the fastest and possibly the one with the fastest DPS. With slight armor penetration thanks to the lead bullets (anything around 5%), the Balearic Sling is meant to chip away damage, a completely different role than the Staff Sling, which specializes in slowing down the target. The Balearic Sling would have a projectile velocity of 35 m/s 2:35 But would have less damage than a Survival Bow at around 18-19 Damage. The Balearic Sling would have a much ‘slow effect’ than the bows, but not by much.

Staff Sling Game Design:

The Staff Sling is meant to be the heavy hitter of the slinger class. While Staff Sling offers no armor penetration due to the blunt projectiles, it offers more damage. The Staff Sling is meant to slow opponents down, either while facing your opponent or if they are running away. The Staff Sling will have projectiles traveling at a similar speed to the Balearic Slinger 30-35 m/s, but would have more damage than a survival bow at around 24-25 Damage. The Staff Sling would feel much slower than the Balearic Sling and Survival Bow but would offer a ‘slow effect’ almost on par with the Windlass Crossbow. This can be adjusted based on player thoughts and balance.

The addition of Slinger weapons could bring variety to the ranger class, which lacks any significant content in the form of weaponry or perks (looking at you, Campfire Mastery.) The addition of the slinger weapons could add variety to the dungeon and make justice for the slinger weapons, which are so underrated in media such as movies and video games.

coral heron
austere bramble
coral heron
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Let's make all game modes work like arena with the found crafted system.

The solution to everyone's woes for when @keen onyx makes the game a pvp slaughter with no GBMM , shorter ttk, and no being friendly.

If you don't lose the gear you looted/crafted, you won't be as pissed and will play more regardless of the circumstance.

With how unbalanced the game was before the grey gear lobbies, I can say for certain this is needed if we are going back to that.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/587349/make-gear-lootedcrafted-status-work-for-the-whole-game-like-it-does-in-the-arena

austere bramble
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add a cancel button for potion chugging

prisma shadow
austere bramble
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make arena free please?

short mason
austere bramble
low radish
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add a quest live where u unlock tipped arrows with diffrent abilities crafted with ore powder

austere bramble
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make arena free please

ruby mesa
grave stirrup
austere bramble
grave stirrup
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Can we get some gear sets? Where we can save items to an equipment setup sort of like the squire, but with our own custom items

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so we can save/load them easily, for example - if i want to change to my healing kit i load my preset setup 1, if i want to change to my bear kit i load my preset setup 2, etc

shy yacht
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please add a hawk tuah easter egg

upbeat grail
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@sdf Frostbolt ~ Dmg 20-30 Slower moving projectile like fireball upon hit slows enemy movement by 10% for 2secs. With frost mastery perk it would still freeze in place but the debuffs would diminish at the same time. So the slow and freeze would be gone almost the same time so frost mastery would be fine. I suggest a round snowball like effect with iceparticles trailing the rear. This spell is tier 4. This spell would come with 4 charges. (6 with overload)

austere bramble
slate junco
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@austere bramble add a look down button idk how tothis this

little acorn
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get better anti cheat asap. if not ima just cheat like everyone else that wkeys across map and knows where you are at all times

vestal cloud
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if you remove random modifiers from this game i gurantee you lose half the player base half the fun of this game is finding a sick rolled item

unkempt oriole
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multiclass but only underused skill

grave stirrup
red kite
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Removing GBMM is nice and all, but everyone's experience would vastly improve if you also got rid of the map rotation Salute

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Would be super awesome to not wait 6 minutes to play on the map you want

vestal cloud
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REMOVE TRAPS

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make them a slow or someshit its literally the dumbest shit

jolly leaf
red kite
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Map rotation was never a good idea to begin with. It doesn't solve the problem of duos and trios lobbies being empty, the people that want to play solo will instead wait, and after months of dealing with this system we've wasted countless hours of our lives waiting for the stupid timer

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And it was implemented back when our only option was Blacksmith. Now the player base is more than healthy enough for it to be removed

halcyon flame
grave stirrup
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remove the maps and just put in one big dungeon

crude hill
grave stirrup
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one big map like in rust but dark and darker style

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where everyone tries to board 1 ship that sails to the next dynamically generated map and whoever doesnt survive loses everything forever

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like noahs ark but for sweaty neckbeards

wicked grove
coral sable
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fixes the pools

vestal cloud
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bring talent tree ide back into the game

grave stirrup
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^ love that idea... make leveling actually mean something. Fame is pointless

leaden galleon
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please make it so the banshee balls dont spawn in the wall 😦

coral sable
crude hill
tiny wigeon
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Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

austere bramble
austere bramble
warm fulcrum
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but sdf also really wants to make it so that you can outplay opponents more easily

austere bramble
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But it would just lead to grey gear players being in the same lobby as legendary kits

jolly leaf
jolly leaf
tranquil tiger
ashen canyon
ruby mesa
proper shadow
viral current
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concept: mimic shrines

ashen canyon
viral current
# ashen canyon Elaborate

imagine going to a shrine of protection or health
and it suddenly comes alive and smacks you
living shrines

ashen canyon
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Shrines to protect you from getting a mimic, or a shrine that is a mimic?

Ah I see

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I mean living statues are on the way

viral current
ashen canyon
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Think like gargoyles and the like. Not weeping angels lol

vestal cloud
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i main druid actually just delete druid from the game

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no point in fighting them if you are any other class

viral current
ashen canyon
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Not in the game yet but on the way

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I’d like to see more ambush style enemies in the game, Like creatures hidden until you get close

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And also would be nice to have randomized dungeon monster spawns, instead of predetermined spawns

white sail
# ashen canyon And also would be nice to have randomized dungeon monster spawns, instead of pre...

The random spawns would be nice but that'd be too chaotic. now when you enter a room depending on how the games coded. you can just get cucked bu a spawn on or infront of doors or buggy spots in the game. If that was the case for random enemy spawns now everytime you go into a game you'd be more worried about how many mobs are in this room. how many mobs can be in this room. It can also be really hard on the load times of the game as now you have to load in the map, the players usually as mobs are static and no extra code has to be run for the server or every other player. if there were random spawns the code would have to load in the map. run through the generation of the mobs, see if they are in blacklisted areas, delete blacklisted mobs in the area they shouldn't be, ect ect. Anyways thats if you went and placed a massive grid along the entire map and just overlapped blacklisted areas. if it was individual areas now the team has to manually add them to the maps, making it a much more of a process again cause now each room has to have a induvial spawn areas and when loading in into the game there are now hundreds and almost a thousand differnt Child entites on the scene tanking the proformance of the game and the server as it now has to deal with spawning high amounts of mobs occasionally and having too many mobs can cause an entity crash or it can slow down the instance you are in.

crude hill
# white sail The random spawns would be nice but that'd be too chaotic. now when you enter a ...

Usually when devs say random generation is not like in minecraft. They set the rules for the random generation, look at the results and select the best outputs, so those things doesn't happens. If you have a big enough pool of maps there should be no problems.

Also if you look at how mobs are placed in the current game, it is objectively horrible. Is like they placed mobs homogeneously, this feels not organic and leads to those cases more often.

ashen canyon
opaque shore
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Can we get a lightfoot boot unique artifact that has creep built into them? Salute

hallow cargo
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@keen onyx you are making some sense with your recent announcements. You are correct people want less gear discrepancy. People also want content! More classes, more unique loot like the minor artifacts, more bosses. Also another easy way to balance gearing is with the questing progression. You have got to make the quests make sense. The best example of this is the leathersmith. Why would they need armor scraps? why are the armor scraps so low drop rate. Its the first quest and you can look at the data, no one has done it. Make them progressive. the tailor shouldnt be asking me to clear bats when thats in hell, like that the should one of the ending quest lines for the tailor. Final quests with insane loot should be gated by bosses, which you've all done well previously

jolly leaf
# hallow cargo <@907471106796056587> you are making some sense with your recent announcements. ...

More than new class, artefact and boss I think an even more important content add would be thing to improve the game play loop, objective to do on the map like in this suggestions https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem. Because new class, weapon and monster are cool but they just add new variable to the existing gameplay loop (which have been roughly the same since the beginning of the game) imo new thing too do would be awesome. i would love to be able to go for a Forge run or a Ritual room run like the exemple in the suggestion

jolly leaf
ashen canyon
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Agreed upon

vestal cloud
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sdf wants longer ttk but theres barbs that 1 shot you make it make sense

weary imp
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Reduce silence of rogues, ans co.pletely remove silence from druid, 4s silence with a TTK of 2s makes absolutly no sense, it's the same amount of silence time that mages have in WoW with a TTK drastically higher that DaD

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Makes wisard unplayable atm

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And the slow speed of mage projectiles combined with the easiness to see spells incoming makes mages useless at long range, compared to ranger that u simply don't see the arrows coming, makes arrow and bolts dmg decrease as the range gets higher

jolly leaf
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Wizard is a powerful mid/close range class with control and buff, if he had range on top of that he would be too strong

shy yacht
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devs should add a hawk tuah easter egg to the game

austere bramble
pulsar raft
prisma shadow
slow arch
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10 spell druid with another dmg spell plz

tiny wigeon
# hallow cargo <@907471106796056587> you are making some sense with your recent announcements. ...

@coral heron
Can you guys stop pinging the devs directly?

Honestly I have no idea what makes you guys even think this is a good idea.
If everyone pinged devs , it would be chaos.
Just use the protocol they have in place.
Devs aren’t your friends you can just ping whenever u feel like it, that’s incredibly rude and honestly condescending.
It’s very condescending that you guys think your idea is so good that it must be prio for the dev to read.
Come on now, let’s act like adults.

If the dev starts a conversation with you, sure ping him. Graysun does it on general chat every now and then, but to ping him out of nowhere?

grave stirrup
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add talent trees

faint onyx
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3 Levels for hell feels AWFUL

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Sitting and waiting for 2 level to end just so you can start the level you actually want to do

jolly leaf
# tiny wigeon <@383950045722181632> Can you guys stop pinging the devs directly? Honestly I ...

I agree with you but honestly lately I've been tempted to do it to for some suggestion, at least for this one https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/576260/improvement-to-the-new-matchmaking-system-and-map-rotation because it have a good amount of upvote, I don't see the downside of it and it would still work even if they remove gearscore. But I really feel like they don't even use or read the suggestion website lately or when they do they say "Yeah I saw a lot of people want that and it's a good idea but no i'll do what I want" Like for the Rogue rework suggestion https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/563627/rogue-rework-suggestion-master-of-poisons. If at least they tried to used the website properly and noticed us when they're considering a suggestion or working on one (Tool that are on the website but are not used at all by dev) or even delete some suggestion or put them in a "Not gonna happen" categorie I won't complain at all because we would know that they read us and consider what we suggest

jolly leaf
tiny wigeon
jolly leaf
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True

prisma shadow
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While this suggestion may be ignored by players and developers, I believe I should make it if it is ever considered.

Today, I’m suggesting the addition of slings.

Now, what is a sling? A sling is a projectile weapon typically used to throw objects such as rocks or lead bullets at high velocities. They have been used in warfare since the Neolithic era and have been used to deadly effect against armies of the classical era and beyond.

Slings are underrepresented in contemporary media and rarely discussed. Few games implement Slings, but a prominent one is Chivalry: Medieval Warfare. In this game, slings are medium-damage weapons capable of launching two types of projectiles: rocks and lead sling bullets, which are made for armored targets.

In Dark and Darker, slings could be implemented not as a singular weapon but as two weapons:

Balearic Slings:

These are your stereotypical slings. They deal low-medium damage and are fast to reload. They essentially act as the counterparts to the Crossbow/Recurve Bow. Because of the simplicity of these slings, they are quite nimble, allowing the user a high degree of mobility. They have the same range as a Staff Sling but cannot throw anything heavier than what the staff sling throws.

Staff Slings:

These are slings attached to a staff. They deal medium-high damage due to the ability to throw heavier projectiles at much greater distances than the Balearic slings. They act as the counterparts to the Windlass Crossbow/Longbow. They have the same range as a Balearic sling but are slower to reload. Because of the size of their projectile, they could serve to deal with more blunt force trauma.

In game:

In game, the Balearic Sling and Staff Sling both work as skirmisher weapons. The Balearic Sling, specifically, chips away at their health until an opportunity arises to finish your opponent with melee. Both slings have different purposes and use different types of ammunition. The Balearic Sling uses Lead-Bullets, with slight armor penetration, while the Staff Sling uses large rocks, with an emphasis on blunt force.

Balearic Sling Game Design:

The Balearic Sling is meant to be the fastest and possibly the one with the fastest DPS. With slight armor penetration thanks to the lead bullets (anything around 5%), the Balearic Sling is meant to chip away damage, a completely different role than the Staff Sling, which specializes in slowing down the target. The Balearic Sling would have a projectile velocity of 35 m/s 2:35 But would have less damage than a Survival Bow at around 18-19 Damage. The Balearic Sling would have a much ‘slow effect’ than the bows, but not by much.

Staff Sling Game Design:

The Staff Sling is meant to be the heavy hitter of the slinger class. While Staff Sling offers no armor penetration due to the blunt projectiles, it offers more damage. The Staff Sling is meant to slow opponents down, either while facing your opponent or if they are running away. The Staff Sling will have projectiles traveling at a similar speed to the Balearic Slinger 30-35 m/s, but would have more damage than a survival bow at around 24-25 Damage. The Staff Sling would feel much slower than the Balearic Sling and Survival Bow but would offer a ‘slow effect’ almost on par with the Windlass Crossbow. This can be adjusted based on player thoughts and balance.

The addition of Slinger weapons could bring variety to the ranger class, which lacks any significant content in the form of weaponry or perks (looking at you, Campfire Mastery.) The addition of the slinger weapons could add variety to the dungeon and make justice for the slinger weapons, which are so underrated in media such as movies and video games.

hallow cargo
tiny wigeon
tiny wigeon
# jolly leaf True

I honestly think after so many ppl come here , vomit their feelings and ping the dev, they prob have it muted, else they lose their sanity. I suspect this is one of the big reasons that made them use the website for suggestions instead of the discord.

tiny wigeon
# prisma shadow While this suggestion may be ignored by players and developers, I believe I shou...

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

fiery lily
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just remove gbmm or rework higher quality gear.

jolly leaf
# tiny wigeon I honestly think after so many ppl come here , vomit their feelings and ping the...

Sure but we don't even know if they actually use or read the website. Thing tend to show they don't, their is many suggestions that have been made on the website then added to the game but didn't got classified as "planned" or "done", some are planned but not in "planned" and in the same way there is suggestions that they said they'll never do but are not in "Not planned". I feel frustated to see some really good suggestions with a decent amount of upvote still in "Under consideration" pls show use that you use the website, use the tool you have. Honestly I won't be mad if a good suggestions with upvote get rejected even without explaination but right know we're just in the fog, we don't even know if they listen to us even on tve website that us design for that

jolly leaf
grave stirrup
latent flower
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When can we get a binoculars or looking glass item

empty crypt
jolly leaf
grave stirrup
jolly leaf
latent flower
empty crypt
crude hill
tiny wigeon
tiny wigeon
ruby mesa
weary imp
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2 arrows and o IQ required for ranger to win every 1v1

jolly leaf
# weary imp arrows don't do less dmg at greater range, and tbh every melee class as it way e...

Projectile Falloff

  • Damage multiplier to gravity affected projectiles, currently including arrows shot by Recurve Bow, Survival Bow, Longbow, Hand Crossbow, Crossbow, Windlass Crossbow as well as throwables, like Drum's, Throwing Knife, Francisca Axe, but not Torches. The multiplier depends on the air time of the projectile, is different for each source, and can be found in the mentioned pages.

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Damage#Projectile_Falloff

Don't be so assured when you'r not absolutely sure what you say is true

jolly leaf
weary imp
jolly leaf
crude hill
jolly leaf
crude hill
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maybe he is having a bad day and need some love

weary imp
crude hill
weary imp
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i did 😉

crude hill
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that is great 😃

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then go for another round, it can be your winning streak

weary imp
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yeah working on my arena kit, it's half decent!

crude hill
vestal cloud
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DELETE TRAPS

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i have seen an increasing number of piss rangers using traps killing the most geared players this is sooo frustrating there is no outplay if a ranger is just camping one spot all game waiting for someone too come no you cannot JUST LOOK DOWN all game when you step in the most random trap ever yes if you see a ranger then start looking for the traps but if you are just randomly walking and playing the game then step in one and die too a ranger camping wtf is the play there please tell me sdf id delusianal

grave stirrup
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i dont even play ranger and i think its a critical part of their arsenal

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They pay 200g per blue trap, they deserve it

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and they cant pick it up once its placed, so be more aware

vestal cloud
crude hill
grave stirrup
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Ya if they try and shotgun you just attack them and dont move

vestal cloud
vestal cloud
grave stirrup
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Its not like they can be everywhere at once, theyre in one spot and theyre committed to that one spot with that one trap, you fell into the trap and you got trapped because you hit a trap

crude hill
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class are good in some thing and bad in others, if you consider traps are that big problem play rogue

grave stirrup
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if theyre "just camping one spot" that sounds like you were unlucky and fell into the trap

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they make a loud ass noise when placing a trap so they were pre committed to it before you even hit the trap so they deserve that ambush kill because you were in a hurry and not aware of your surroundings

vestal cloud
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you both probably play ranger so im not even gonna argue anymore there is no outplay if you step into a trap with a ranger camping it there should be some way too get out of that situation but there isnt

crude hill
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i don't play ranger

grave stirrup
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my rangers level 7 and no, ive gotten ambushed many times but its literally a huge part of their class. It's called a TRAP, you got TRAPPED by a TRAP because you triggered the TRAP

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avoid doing straight lines through doorways and stick to the sides

vestal cloud
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ok you guys win no arguing with you bozos a blue trap is 18 secs long with a skill check too if you run into one you are guaranteed dead what other class is there with a guarantee death mechanic make it make sense

grave stirrup
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hell, pop a torch out every doorway you go through. 99% of them put them in doorways, so maybe learn from your mistakes instead of calling for nerfs because you lost

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blue traps are expensive too, so tahts on you. learn to use torch when going thru doorways. literally every ranger i see in ambush mode has traps in middle of a doorway

vestal cloud
grave stirrup
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Lizkek like pulling out a torch is difficult

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keep dying to traps then lmao

vestal cloud
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you guys are brxindead for real

grave stirrup
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its called darwinism, you can keep dying and losing your kit idgaf

halcyon flame
blazing fern
crude hill
grave stirrup
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just learn from your mistakes lol. grasp the statistic majority of places you get ambushed at then be more self aware in those areas. LIKE DOORS lmao

tender gorge
empty crypt
# grave stirrup just learn from your mistakes lol. grasp the statistic majority of places you g...

Bro I’ve had this argument with people before. They legit don’t understand it’s their fault for hitting the traps and then act like the trap is the issue. I say things like “jump shadows, body’s, etc” when you know there is a ranger. Or just hold torch and look for traps. But they cry and tell me I’m trolling and that it’s impossible to not hit traps. Shits hilarious like bro open your eyes

crude hill
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My bet is that as devs didn't change traps and didn't adressed this problem before. Traps are not the problem.

empty crypt
grave stirrup
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sdf said be more aware

empty crypt
grave stirrup
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yeah its a critical part of ranger toolbelt

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when theres 330 ms fighters sprinting every 28s lol. Rangers need mobility bad and this is their utility to help fight against that

empty crypt
grave stirrup
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you can literally walk where you can see the ground and carry a torch. It looks like a big bear trap piece of metal with claws. LOL

People just cry because they have tunnel vision and get dealt the consequence of rushing to every module without being aware of surroundings. skull issue for sure

coral heron
#

Please upvote the proposal to make norm and hr function on the same found loot system of the arena

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/587349/make-gear-lootedcrafted-status-work-for-the-whole-game-like-it-does-in-the-arena

With SDF planing on drastically changing the game, ramping up the pvp and TTK, I think this would be an appropriate solution, inspired by the arena and dungeon born (probably the only good thing they did) to prevent the game from feeling realy bad after all the changes.

crude hill
# coral heron Please upvote the proposal to make norm and hr function on the same found loot s...

I saw you suggestion a few times but i don't understand it as i don't know what is the lootedcrafted status from arena. I have my theory but im not sure. If what you are talking about is the fact that you don't loose your self looted and crafted items in arena, i don't like it even for arena. If you lose the risk of losing your gear the game turns boring and casual and goes against all Dark and Darker original fundamentals.

coral heron
# crude hill I saw you suggestion a few times but i don't understand it as i don't know what ...

That is what I am talking about. My point is that from watching SDF interviewed he says he hates gear fear, he hates how over inflated the market is, he doesn't want ppl to feel bad going in to play especialy after loss, he wants more pvp, he wants a shorter ttk, and he wants us to be less friendly. The solution I see that either fixes his primary issue, or the secondary issues caused by fixing things he dislikes is the looted crafted system.

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Givin where SDF wants the game to go, idk how you retain or grow a player base beyond the sweats without that system.

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I'm not even the biggest fan of it in total, I just thing it's the best route concidering everything he says he will do and everything he says he wants to accomplish.

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The lesser of 2 evils so to say.

empty crypt
crude hill
# coral heron That is what I am talking about. My point is that from watching SDF interviewed ...

I have my own thought about market and how it current state is not good. What i understood about sdf solution for gear problem is more about shortening high gear dependency by making it more similar between tiers not adding a permanent progression like what you suggest. And about sdf wanting us to be less friendly we can't be sure until the next hotfix as he says in his message. To end say also that he can't wish for more pvp and also say that he want more ways to avoid pvp, doesn't make sense.

gusty oriole
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game suggestion - change the drop rates of items because its a joke. 164 lvl ranger, 94 lvl fighter, lvl 60 warlock, completed majority of quests but cant seem to find anymore blue crystall balls cus they appaarantly only drop green for me or a yeti tooth. Joke man. Player base be 1k again before christmas at this rate,

weary imp
weary imp
weary imp
grave stirrup
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#makelegendarieslegendaryagainIMO

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i just worry that sdf's idea will kill progress entirely, people love the variables of loot and it's probably the most addicting and binding part about this game

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instead have levels actually mean something, right now fame means absolute dogwater after level 20. Put in talent trees and have people grow that way as well

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levels are nothing but a number at this point

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I think all equipment should have condition and condition loss, it provides a method of equilibrium because that OP gear won't be in circulation forever

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maybe add a repair tool you can buy that has a 15% chance of failure

halcyon flame
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Let’s just ignore PDR fighters

stark ridge
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Fighter do more dmg than a hunt with a bow but its the most op class yeah ...

halcyon flame
stark ridge
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yeah but its not op 🤣

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oh i dont see its a wiz main 😉

coral heron
# crude hill I have my own thought about market and how it current state is not good. What i ...

I totally get what you are saying. His solutions do seam to be a bit different then the ones I layed out. I came to this conclusion based of the arena ptimarly. They had all these same fears with arena and that was their solution. I also sugest it because ppl are freaking out about him wanting to get rid of random modifiers (maybe) and to decrease the disparity between gear. If ppl don't want gear changing, but hw wants those solutions, then I can't think of a better compromise that alredy has implementation in multiple games then the one I layed out. I am hoping for better, and without changing things the community wants I can't think of one. As for the end bit you site by sdf, yea it's prety confusing lol. More fighting, shorter ttk, but can't wish for pvp and wants to make none pvp play more normal for those who don't want it. Your right, we can't realy know untill future hot fixes and untill him and graysun hammer put better translations. I'll keep thinking and looking for better solutions, and trust SDF on what he decides, I just think this is the best middle ground between community and dev I can find lol.

outer meteor
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I would love for some TAG system in the friends list. Sometimes I add cool people but it's hard to remember who is who

weary imp
halcyon flame
tidal lake
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With the new announcement about lightweight fighter hitting like the heavyweight with "effort"

This feels like a bad omen.

If they fix brackets this problem goes away, the low gear score won't encounter high gear score. But ignoring that, to get the gear or gold to buy the gear you will have invested time and picked up skill. It makes sense you would beat someone who has not. Why should the guy in 90 greens be able to kill me in epics? Why would I try to get more if the "lightweight fighter" hits for the same amount. At that point just fix squire pool and limit everyone to that to kill the game faster. Are we going to go to a karate touch point system where action speed and bad hits decide the winner?

These changes wouldn't even be that bad if they had fostered any trust and good faith that they could actually competently balance any of this with classes.
They've designed classes from the ground up to be gear reliant and now want to remove gear bonuses. A stock druid, cleric, ect ain't doing shit vs squire lock, barb, fighter ect the imbalance is inherent.

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They haven't given these classes the ability to do as much as druid and that's where the resentment comes in. We get to do cool stuff and they can't, so what effort are they going to do to achieve the punching power of the heavyweight fighter

civic parcel
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are we getting candy this Halloween?

coral heron
# tidal lake They haven't given these classes the ability to do as much as druid and that's w...

i think the goal is to do to all classes what just happened to druid where they buff the low end and nerf the high end through flat scores and scaling after. i think they will adapt the classes too to fit this. probably lower the mem required, maybe speed up cast time, but then reduce knolage on gear, somthing like that is my guess.

im good with the changes if it fixes the games broken gold economy.

tidal lake
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Yeah but how are we testing that with these random changes that just walk things back the next week. How many patches have just been "oh we fucked up" and walking things back. We still haven't even seen what skills are going to be given to the other classes to show "effort" or skill expression, everything is changing in a vacuum and means nothing from one patch to the next

jade isle
coral heron
# tidal lake Yeah but how are we testing that with these random changes that just walk things...

guess at this point we are the testers. i would have preferred that they kept testing stuff on test servers, but i dont think engagement was high enough to be meaningful. early access always does this kind of stuff. i think they are getting better at this over time, each change seems more dialed in than previous ones. sure they mess up, they are human. and sure this kind of balancing is going to have back and forth, but idk of a game that doesnt have balance shift things back and forth. atleast they are honest, and are communicating with us. i agree it sucks to have a class you love shift a lot. i also agree we need more skills they promised for the base classes. i also think in the long run the changes coming are for the better inspite of the turbulent shift.

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i mean come on, you cant like this super gear and gold based meta, shifting it in the favor of skill seems like somthing we should all be happy about. less grinding more skill expression lol

austere bramble
crude hill
austere bramble
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Ranger probably doesn’t need anything else currently but here’s a perk

Hunter: Deal more damage to animals, including druids who are wild shaped

weary imp
weary imp
austere bramble
weary imp
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you're building wrong, last barb who killed me had 320 move speed with his felling zxe out and 1 shotted me

austere bramble
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If u want to complain about melee classes being way too fast, Druid is right there

coral heron
# crude hill I think players feedback must be listened but they have to focus on making the g...

I agree, that's why my solution was trying to find the middle ground between what the devs want in game play, and in what they want in community. trying to offer a solution that is balance and based off past solutions. I think SDF should make the game he wants, and I trust him in direction of that as i already enjoy what he has made. I want him to reach his goal as i think it will be the funniest possible game, i just also want to offer solutions that meet both his desires for the game he wishes to make, and also his desire to serve the people who support his game.

if it were just upto me i would say random modifires should only affect mobs, and that gear should be flattened.

i love the idea that all you need to win HR is a set of blues and skill, not how it is now, but that's where SDF wants to take it. I was just trying to find a middle everyone could enjoy.

vestal cloud
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hit a barb 10 times and he still wasnt low great game

weary imp
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and i was able to fireball him once, and send 3 missiles before he 1 shotted me, he had 90% hp still

coral heron
frigid berry
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@keen onyx When are we going to see an anti cheat upgrade? Running into alot of hackers recently.

coral heron
vestal cloud
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anyone else getting crazy lag

grave stirrup
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highly suggest we ban melees

tawdry frost
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dont get rid of duos just move that playerbase to arena easy

jolly leaf
vestal cloud
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my new rule never fight barbs just run away cause no matter how much damage you think you do to them its just never enough and they will 2 shot you

crude hill
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nice rule

patent pond
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New rule, if rogue is going to get gutted because it's "bad for the health of the game" then druid needs to be removed until it's even somewhat balanced.

vestal cloud
vestal cloud
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is it me just being bad or does it seem like my attacks have been just fazing through people lateley

patent pond
quick ore
grave stirrup
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and -30% action speed in bear. baseless crying by an uninformed pipsqueak

patent pond
grave stirrup
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we have excel spreadsheets you are way off

cant post pics here unfortunately D:

patent pond
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Also the -30% action speed was already at 20. That was only increased by 10, which doesn't matter when you can move 2x faster than anyone else because you can combo instant transforms to cross tiles in seconds.

grave stirrup
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mobility is the essence of our class, we invest into a perk so we can do that. Keep crying though, your tears are delicious

crude hill
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this is turning kinda weird

vestal cloud
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30-40% damage nerf on the high end is huge i used to do atleast 80 dmg with my good gear in panther vs 60 now with good gear and thats on the dummy

cursive pewter
tiny wigeon
austere bramble
modern night
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We need a notifcation on each character in character select if we have things available at the expressman/goblin or trades completed

viral moat
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Playes who queues in teans, run to boss, die an leave should be punished with timeouts or something. Why they don`t just select to not fill?

tiny wigeon
viral moat
tiny wigeon
tidal lake
tranquil tiger
austere bramble
leaden galleon
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nerf landmine rogue takes 0 skill to sit in a corner and wait for someone to walk by and kill them in 0.1 ms

void wasp
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trading chat plz

graceful beacon
little carbon
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can we get inferno as a map option form lobby. why do i have to waste 15-30 min of my life just to have access to a map i could die on in less than a minute (for new players anyway) and even if not right away the time it takes to get to inferno is hardly worth anything you could get form boss when you have to do it over and over

austere bramble
little carbon
paper venture
leaden galleon
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kill barbs with 200hp in 1 second sounds pretty worst class to me

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ur right actually the amount of skill it takes to sit in a corner for 10mins is pretty hard ngl

shrewd cape
vestal cloud
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they gonna have too change somethig or my favorite game is gonna die sadly

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sdf really fucking this game

fleet heron
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nerf ranged damage the current ranged meta is reeally anoying to play in in general becouse of the amount of bow spam there is

pale fjord
leaden galleon
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130 move speed 30 strength ur right i should give it a go

pale fjord
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go ahead lmao

halcyon flame
blissful crane
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Suggestion: Give Rogue access to the Survival Bow and the Crossbow.
Both would be normal for a Rogue to have, it would also give them more firepower, otherwise staying a glass cannon.

halcyon flame
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Or just give them other buffs they weren’t that bad like 1-2 months ago

vestal cloud
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yea clerics can just slow you by a billion on every hit balanced as fuck

shy yacht
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HAWK TUAH REFERENCE IDEA:
the druid chicken form has a tiny percent chance to say like "bawk tuah" (chicken version of hawk tuah, which stays close to the bird theme of the meme)

ruby mesa
prisma shadow
high meadow
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Introduce MMR system for auto-fill

shy yacht
jolly leaf
jolly leaf
tiny wigeon
jolly leaf
tiny wigeon
upper hearth
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Make molotovs do 5 splash damage. I need a form of rat poison for these damn druids

upbeat sapphire
jolly leaf
tidal lake
upper hearth
upbeat sapphire
tidal lake
# upper hearth It was a joke, but having a way to counter such a small hitbox or to avoid them ...

Their movement speed is slow, considering we no longer get a boost and are typically pretty weighted in str / vigor gear. You can throw a torch and wipe us, drag any weapon swing and catch us, hit us with fire bottle, any aoe spell, we're pretty easy to kill, every form outside bear dies in 1 to 3 hits. At that point it's just aim which is again in the most polite sense a "skill issue" we squeak when standing still. And when doing any thing from jumping to attacking. I wasn't saying that to be cruel but we've lost the ability to reliably do damage in any form and have to be a less well statted spear user. Were as kneecapped as possible so asking for more just might as well ask us to uninstall the game

upper hearth
# tidal lake Their movement speed is slow, considering we no longer get a boost and are typic...

It seems like the perspective comes from a druid, which makes it a bit more understandable. I'm not against buffing other abilities, but I want to point out that aside from being lucky enough to catch a rat in an open area, there aren’t many counters to this ability. I believe it’s quite toxic. Even SDF mentioned in his Q&A that while druids are generally fine, they lack counters. Fire bottles are inconsistent in how the fire spreads, and relying on them to counter rat form isn’t a viable solution right now.

Your discussion is valid, but it lacks nuance regarding how the map influences gameplay. For example, try catching a rat in the ruins where debris is abundant—it's not easy. It’s also frustrating to see a druid third party after you’ve just eliminated someone by jumping through a door, or to watch them slip away without consequence. The other forms are also irrelevant to the topic, I was discussing only rat form.

tidal lake
# upper hearth It seems like the perspective comes from a druid, which makes it a bit more unde...

I can get your frustration, but the rat isn't going to kill you, it's a benefit that the class even has a guaranteed one shot window at all. Could you imagine if that happened after a fighter missed block, a barbar stagger after swing? Sometimes you can capitalize, sometimes you can't. If they are staying around, aim improvement raises the chance of getting that hit. If there are any archer mobs that all have aimbot or. Floor traps, we can be pushed. If we're running away to safely reset you can reset from. Your position.faster with how our scaling is. I can get that rat may be frustrating and more items like the fire bottle might make it easier. I just don't want the one class I enjoy with this game to be bricked even further to the point I have to abandon a game I legitimately love.

upper hearth
# tidal lake I can get your frustration, but the rat isn't going to kill you, it's a benefi...

I am talking about the rat in particular not the class overall, such changes can come with a variety of buffs, tweaks new spells ect that is irrelevant. But saying rat is unhealthy to the game is not a lie, it's not fun to play against-It's a bad game design. It's like playing gmod prophunt but without explosives. Reworking rat to have better counters that players can utilise other than a hail-marry swing or shot is far better. The oneshot window does not mean as much, when a druid is trying to retreat or reset they are low health anyways, and having a hitbox that small in rooms filled with debris far outweighs any minuscule risk you would have before. Rather I just don't want wizard and warlock to have a monopoly over counters.

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For something to be good, it needs to be fun to play as and against

tidal lake
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I may not agree entirely, but I do get where it's coming from, my own druid deaths to dumb shit definitely creates a personal bias as well as it being my favorite class even post nerf. But I appreciate the civil discussion

upper hearth
tidal lake
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Yeah our main counters right now are warlock (for some reason the only hitscan class) wizard and anything that can. Do magic damage pretty reliably, will fighters shred us as well, I like having counters and strong matchups. I just wish they would flesh out all the classes at once and then adjust them

upper hearth
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yeah.....

rugged summit
# upper hearth For something to be good, it needs to be fun to __play as and against__

This is always so important. It has to be both. If something is fun to play as, but completely destroys the enjoyment of everyone stuck playing with, or around you, then it's bad design.

Rogue alsos struggles with this issue. Certain Rogue playstyles really are a meme, they're funny for the person doing it, but complete anti-fun for anyone on the receiving end.

Encountered a rogue yesterday on ruins. Double jump, Hide, hand-crossbow. I was running Platelock. The damage he was doing to me was negligable. But to say this was a fun killer would be an understatement. He just followed me around, staying out of range, and in cover so i couldn't land dark bolts on him. Once I was distracted with whatever i was trying to do, he would poke at me with the crossbow. There was no way I could get him off my tail, and it was impossible for me to catch him.

ocean tree
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@vestal cloud what do you mean, faithfulness has almost a 2sec cooldown before it applies the slow again xd

manic plover
crude hill
# rugged summit This is always so important. It has to be both. If something is fun to play as, ...

Disagree, immersion and fantasy are also enjoyable even if that leads to frustration in specific cases.

Invisibility is unfair by definition in a pvp game but we need it for immersion and class fantasy. You will feel frustrated if something invisible kills you, you can't avoid it. Maybe you as me, can tolerate/understand that case and enjoy the game but there are a lot of players in dark and darker that won't understand it and will always complain. This type of players are the majority because you can't expect all players to know the basics of game designing.

Most players enjoy games not knowing why, and your goal as developer should be to focus on creating the best version of the game you dream. One common mistake in Service Games Development is trying to gather players that maybe are not the target audience of your game.

shy yacht
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HAWK TUAH EASTER EGG CONCEPT FOR DARK AND DARKER:
the druid chicken form has a tiny percent chance to say like "bawk tuah" (chicken version of hawk tuah, which stays close to the bird theme of the meme)

graceful beacon
prisma shadow
viral cedar
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I think it would be nice if each Druid form gives a Penalty for the overall class so you need to rethink if you want to take every transformation into your loadout.

ruby mesa
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chicken form's penalty was/is the near impossibility to actually hit people, and yet they nerfed it into the ground

worn notch
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I got a suggestion. Give bards bolas and fighters a way to grapple, then give mages a way to slow with frost cone, bards have lament a bigger radius and slow a little more. Find a way to counter move speed meta

karmic mortar
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GOBLIN MERCHANT REWORK:

With the new update of goblin giving back 100% of your kit I’d like to propose a rework.

With arena having the mechanic where you only lose items not named by you, I propose the same thing for the goblin merchant return. Have him bring back 100% of your “claimed” gear that wasn’t looted by the opposition. Then he gives you back 50% of what WASN’T named by you.

With this rework, less high tier gear items will be cycled through the goblin merchant/trade/marketplace. This also leave the decision to the player on whether or not they would like to take their BIS “claimed” items into HR and risk losing it to a team or used it for arena. Too much gear is being cycled within the community driving marketplace prices down and essentially making it less of utility and more of a place holder for selling items not “claimed” by the player.

rugged summit
austere bramble
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Add a craftable war maul and bardiche please

empty crypt
tidal lake
austere bramble
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Let us see in game reports so people can make comedy compilations

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Make hitting a ranger trap with something (maybe only 2 handers idk) get rid of it

little carbon
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spent 30 stupid minutes of my life going down to inferno to die form a mob thru the wall in a completely different room just to get hit with server disconnect as the cherry on top. maybe fix mobs so they cant do damage from any room your not currently in

mellow gate
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Can we for the love of god have the feature where you place the item on another item and they switch places? Such a basic feature but would help a ton. Everyone loves QOL additions.

blissful crane
glacial sphinx
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nah rogue shouldnt be another ranged class, it should be viable in melee

jolly leaf
# blissful crane Every class has a ranged option except the Rogue, Cleric, and Druid. Druid is g...

(You forgot Barb who don't have lot of option)

Yes and i'm telling you that the solution would be to remove access to some ranged weapon to other class instead of giving ranged option to everyone. Ranger should be the only one who can use most of them. Bard should only be able to use crossbow or even only hand crossbow like rogue and it's better now than fighter have the -10% damage back on weapon mastery but imo he shouldn't have the crossbow natively. And imo you shouldn't be able to bring a full inventory of Fran axe and Throwing knive, if every class have less ranged option 3-4 stack of 2 axe/knive would be cool (or make them craftable only maybe?)

tidal lake
ruby mesa
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and hand crossbow

hybrid holly
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It's been a while since I've played Apex, and I thought, it's fun that even if you go down once, you can revive yourself if your friends can wake you up
If sdf want to make the game casual, how about lowering the penalty for dying in some way

austere bramble
austere bramble
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Or barbs need some way to close the gap

soft nebula
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honestly i think some classes should just be that, they struggle through gaps, sure they gotta tank alot, but base kit im getting 165 hp with 300+ ms, in trios its still super good for buff ball, but in solos geared its gonna struggle, why is that an issue, theyre so good at so many things, they do not need to be meta in every scenario for the 50th time

tiny wigeon
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Yap , agreed, they always said this pvp system will be a rock paper scissors type of game.
So you can’t win against everyone , that’s not fun either. Learning to know what fights to take is also a skill to obtain

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You guys wanna give the tankiest and highest damage class in the game, ranged options. What would counter a barb then ? Magic resist out the wazoo, bulky af

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And not to mention, barb has the highest Str, if u give him ranged options, he will prob do more dmg then ranger.
Also carry franciscas, that’s a good ranged option

remote moss
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are there people who like the 225 gear score requirement to enter high roller? personally i don’t because i loved going in as a fresh kit and going from nothing to kitted. is this just me?

prisma shadow
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This was the original explanation for balancing such weapons

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Now, what is a sling? A sling is a projectile weapon typically used to throw objects such as rocks or lead bullets at high velocities. They have been used in warfare since the Neolithic era and have been used to deadly effect against armies of the classical era and beyond.

Slings are underrepresented in contemporary media and rarely discussed. Few games implement Slings, but a prominent one is Chivalry: Medieval Warfare. In this game, slings are medium-damage weapons capable of launching two types of projectiles: rocks and lead sling bullets, which are made for armored targets.

In Dark and Darker, slings could be implemented not as a singular weapon but as two weapons:

Balearic Slings:

These are your stereotypical slings. They deal low-medium damage and are fast to reload. They essentially act as the counterparts to the Crossbow/Recurve Bow. Because of the simplicity of these slings, they are quite nimble, allowing the user a high degree of mobility. They have the same range as a Staff Sling but cannot throw anything heavier than what the staff sling throws.

Staff Slings:

These are slings attached to a staff. They deal medium-high damage due to the ability to throw heavier projectiles at much greater distances than the Balearic slings. They act as the counterparts to the Windlass Crossbow/Longbow. They have the same range as a Balearic sling but are slower to reload. Because of the size of their projectile, they could serve to deal with more blunt force trauma.

In game:

In game, the Balearic Sling and Staff Sling both work as skirmisher weapons. The Balearic Sling, specifically, chips away at their health until an opportunity arises to finish your opponent with melee. Both slings have different purposes and use different types of ammunition. The Balearic Sling uses Lead-Bullets, with slight armor penetration, while the Staff Sling uses large rocks, with an emphasis on blunt force.

Balearic Sling Game Design:

The Balearic Sling is meant to be the fastest and possibly the one with the fastest DPS. With slight armor penetration thanks to the lead bullets (anything around 5%), the Balearic Sling is meant to chip away damage, a completely different role than the Staff Sling, which specializes in slowing down the target. The Balearic Sling would have a projectile velocity of 35 m/s 2:35 But would have less damage than a Survival Bow at around 18-19 Damage. The Balearic Sling would have a much ‘slow effect’ than the bows, but not by much.

Staff Sling Game Design:

The Staff Sling is meant to be the heavy hitter of the slinger class. While Staff Sling offers no armor penetration due to the blunt projectiles, it offers more damage. The Staff Sling is meant to slow opponents down, either while facing your opponent or if they are running away. The Staff Sling will have projectiles traveling at a similar speed to the Balearic Slinger 30-35 m/s, but would have more damage than a survival bow at around 24-25 Damage. The Staff Sling would feel much slower than the Balearic Sling and Survival Bow but would offer a ‘slow effect’ almost on par with the Windlass Crossbow. This can be adjusted based on player thoughts and balance.

The addition of Slinger weapons could bring variety to the ranger class, which lacks any significant content in the form of weaponry or perks (looking at you, Campfire Mastery.) The addition of the slinger weapons could add variety to the dungeon and make justice for the slinger weapons, which are so underrated in media such as movies and video games.

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Is 19 Damage for a common Shepherd’s/Balearic Sling a good damage output?

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I was going to suggest probably increasing its armor penetration to 10%, higher armor penetration than the survival bow but lower damage.

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Or maybe 15%. This way the balearic sling might not deal a lot of burst damage, but it has an easier time dealing its base damage.

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Obviously, we don’t want to make the slings oppressive, it already has a lot of benefits going for it, like being extremely light and therefore making you way faster than a Survival Bow that’s equipped.

tiny wigeon
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You got lanterns, drums, franciscas to throw.
Barbarian weakness is ranged damage. Every class has a weakness, but u wanna eliminate the only weakness barbarians have.
Sure, give wizards +20 movement speed then, so wizards also have no weaknesses.
Sorry man, this is a rock paper scissor game, and barbarians weakness is ranged damage, if you wanna have ranged damage, play something else

prisma shadow
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I’m keeping the damage 24 for Staff Sling, since it IS launching large rocks. I would say however that you might not be able to use the Staff Sling in confined spaces or extremely close range due to the arc of the staff, so Staff sling will only be used for far or running opponents

tiny wigeon
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Not to mention, this completely ruins fighter identity.
The biggest advantage of the class is that it’s an all around and has many possible tools to deal with problems
Why would anyone play fighter if barbarians have ranged damage, are tankier and hit harder?
Come on boys, it’s time to understand the game you are playing, this game isn’t meant to be fair for everyone all the time.
Some classes are your counters, learn to recognize which classes are your counters and don’t fight them

prisma shadow
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I don’t agree with every class having ranged weaponry. If anything it should be exclusive to ranger. HOWEVER, if there is a weapon that is ranged and FITS the class (because of the DND archetype and historically) like in this case, Barbarians, or people that were considered barbarian were known to use sling weapons. Then I can make an excuse for it. Bard having a bow or other classes just doesn’t fit it

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Rogue having a hand crossbow fits the archetype of a silent killer, and therefore requiring the usage of a small concealable weapon. I can excuse that.

tiny wigeon
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Wizards in dnd can do a million things, including polymorph desintegrate, they can change their surrounding, globes of invulnerability, walls of ice, banishment.
So give me these?
Oh , most importantly , misty step

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Barbarians are way too good at every thing except ranged damage, so no, don’t add that to the game

prisma shadow
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I wouldn’t mind if the developers added these things to wizards or any other character. They are extremely slow at adding new content, so as long as other classes get the same treatment I’m fine with barbarian and ranger getting a sling weapon. I wouldn’t give barbarian a bow, but the sling fits the class

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And I don’t even play barbarian and generally don’t like them because of how easy they are.

tiny wigeon
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Bro, if wizards had misty step, it would be game over for everyone else.
Sure it fits the class, but it doesn’t fit this game..

prisma shadow
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They could make it so that’s it’s a campfire rechargeable perk.

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So you’re only using it on important moments rather than every time like phantomize

tiny wigeon
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Sure, make sling for barbarians also an ability. So if u wanna take it, you lose something good.
You see the problem ?
This game doesn’t work like that, you have a vision for a game , which sounds cool, but it isn’t this game.
The devs have said many times, this is a rock paper scissor pvp game. Deal with your weaknesses or change class

prisma shadow
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Seems like a few specific classes lack any weakness whatsoever.

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Cough (Druid a few patches ago.) Cough (Warlock a few patches ago.)
Cough (Fighter…)

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The developers did mention that they wanted to give Barbarian a Bolaslinger.

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Which technically isn’t a ‘sling’ and frankly a big disappointment on their end. But it’s something that could become a possibility. Personally, I would want my slings for ranger but I can understand why some would want a ranged weapon when these days ironmace is giving them out like candy.

tiny wigeon
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How so? Tell me what class doesn’t have counters to it?
And also , which lobby u talking about? <25 lobbies? Or HR?

Druid is still getting tuned, it’s greatest strength is the fact it can run from any fight it doesn’t want to, for free.
But fighting. A geared wizard wins, a barb that has a zwei and knows how to space wins. A warlock can win.

Warlocks damage takes time to ramp up, loses to a ranger with good aim. Loses to a good wizard that knows his spells are a bit longer then a warlock. If you zap a warlock from 8 meters, he can’t do shit , cause his curse is only 7.5 meters long.

Fighters are my favorite food, im a wizard, I counter fighters hard , I have a harder time against slayer fighters

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Oh and warlocks also lose to rogues that know how to play.
Again , I’m not talking about <25 lobbies.
The game isn’t balanced for the naked lobbies, the devs have said that much

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Barbarians already got a shield they should have never gotten.

prisma shadow
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I’m talking about general lobbies (all). It’s mostly dependent on what kit you’re running. Obviously, you’re going to perform better against fighter if you’re a wizard and you’re playing your cards right. A ranger might also win against a fighter, albeit, the fighter might just look like porcupine by the time he drops dead (Too much PDR). But let’s say you’re a weirdo, and you’re playing Windlass Crossbow Ranger (I’m guilty of this because it’s what I main.) you’re playing the weapon like it was intended, but you’re coming across Zigzagging PDRs with second wind, Bhopping Wizards that zap and insta kill you with fireball, warlocks that kite forever, bards with absurd dexterity, and Barbarians that just won’t die, and guess what, you only have one shot at the windlass, and if you don’t hit it, it’s game over. It would be fine and cool, if it wasn’t for the fact that the perks/Skills all almost concentrate in a specific play style that doesn’t allow for much freedom. How many crossbow perks are there? Zero. True shot and Pen shot are universal, the rest of the bow perks don’t work on it. Campfire Mastery? Give me a break. I think the main issue is that there are some people that don’t play ‘meta’ and obviously it feels unfair when they come across oppressive builds designed for pain. There is variety in Dark and darker, yet there isn’t, because everyone is always clinging to a certain play style designed to stomp any other opposition.

tiny wigeon
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Yeah those things are a problem, but also remember the devs said they balance the game for trios.
Now imagine all this scenarios but you have two teammates front lining for you.
Suddenly it’s not as bad.
And also yeah , windlass crossbow destroys anyone if it hits. So it should be hard to hit and reload.
I’ll agree that having no perks to sustain it, is crap. And being limited by your perks and abilities is bad. But u can’t give everyone everything or the game is boring.

prisma shadow
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I look in the ranger chat. Every build is longbow, not a single crossbow. PDR fighters always carry second wind and sprint. Wizards are always throwing fireballs and ice bolts. Rarely do I ever even see them using their given crossbow. Cleric, it’s the same thing, occasionally I might run into a cleric that uses the bug spell which is honestly pretty cool, but that’s rare. Everyone is running the same thing with some slight variation, some stronger than others.

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Then you got the rangers spamming traps. A crutch utility really.

tiny wigeon
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And also, you say u want original and different things. But when they add slingshot or bola shot to barbarians, they will all use it

prisma shadow
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Which I don’t mind really, it would probably make barbarian less of a press W class and now you have to aim. Even if it’s just a bit. Of course, we can just make it so that only ranger gets the sling weapons and barbarian has to sacrifice something like the fighter.

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I don’t mind a bit of subclassing for classes.

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Like how Demonman in team fortress 2 is a demolition class, but can equip some boots, shield and sword and become something unique of itself. They could do that to ranger too, adding javelins so that ranger is still ranger, but it has melee capability and ranged capabilities but no anywhere near the range of, let’s say, a windlass.

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But the melee capability isn’t strong either, so it’s in the middle. It adds different play style, something like slayer fighter but more ambitious

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But at the end of the day, like you said, we still want the classes to have their weaknesses.

tiny wigeon
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We have variety we just don’t use it.
Druids could be healers and cast spells, but being a shifter is just better.
Fighters could play slayer with adrenaline, but they rather pdr with a dagger and shield.
Barbarians can play pdr with one handes, but they rather be chest naked and use a two handed.
People chase the strongest thing, so you won’t really have variety except some meme builds you might see every now and then

prisma shadow
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Instead of buffing and nerfing certain things, what the devs should do is look back on unused perks and weapons and improve on them. But they rarely do that.

tiny wigeon
prisma shadow
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Got it

rigid horizon
naive cosmos
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What’s the -25% magic damage mean here?

unkempt oriole
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change barbarian berserker from 1 to 30 % PA to 1 to 20% action speed

glacial sphinx
short mason
desert lodge
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Update test servers

desert lodge
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please 🙂

austere bramble
gilded agate
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Okay i just gotta get it out of me. Why not make a class advancement or an evolution like a Cleric could become a priest or paladin and a fighter becomes a knight or a mercenary. it just feels wrong for multi-class, like the theme of the class would be gone, like a cleric who is religious could also become a warlock who worships a devil like it just feels wrong for me.

austere bramble
blissful crane
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Suggestion:
Give the Bard and the Rogue the Spear - similar to the Ranger

coral heron
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Their should be some limit on ranger traps. maybe only 3-4 out at a time, or you cant set them next to each other to create trap walls.

vestal cloud
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i really hope gear doesnt get totally nerfed to oblivion

blissful crane