suggestion-discussion

[spring hamlet]

thats not really a way to go about getting things fixed. is your region correct also maybe do an internet test or speed test. ive never had an issue with stutter or lag on this game.

[cobalt sail]

I think in the current state of it hes overpriced

[atomic whale]

Suggestion for smart ranger nerf https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497592/make-perk-for-archers-to-shot-accurate-while-moving

[ruby rover]

random maps for the regular goblin caves is the worst change ever

[inland bobcat]

Any ideas to make evil eye more appealing? More duration and it detonates when you dismiss it or the time runs out?

[woven oak]

Havent used it but does it have nightvision

[spring hamlet]

Honestly i feel like evil eye should be slightly faster. Its just a recon type spell. And its SOOOO slow as is. I feel like a small speed buff to help recon rooms would be awesome. I dont think an attack type deal would be needed. But id be down to see it happen

[inland bobcat]

did not know it had nightvision!

[inland bobcat]

yeah get the wizard to cast haste on it and see if its faster

[spring hamlet]

It does not have night vision?? If it does ive never seen it

[granite plinth]

it doesn't, it SHOULD reveal rogues AND be faster tho

[woven oak]

It was a question. It would be good to have nightvision/invis sight

[hollow axle]

reveal rogues dumb, but ability to see that one is invis would be ok similar to your teammates looking at you invis

[unreal karma]

^ second this

[spring hamlet]

Eh the reveal rogues i feel like is a slight stretch we already have the hydra that can detect invis although they need to fix it because hydra has a hard time depending on the angle its on the floor sometimes itll shoot straight up and not hit at all

[woven oak]

I think its fine to see invis since youre unable to fight you're just scouting. hydra seeing invis is dumb imo

[inland bobcat]

sorry did not see that sorry.

so we got, faster move speed for the evil eye, having some sort of truesight.
Would be neat if it had a active ability

[spring hamlet]

I do still definitely feel like evil eye should be faster though. With the rate it moves and the drain of the skill unless you have someone with you being a meat shield recon with that spell is not even an option for a kit in my opinion i also think itd be cool like @inland bobcat said give it like a small detonation when its done or something you could activate yourself nothing too dmging though

Or even since its a death skull being able to do the death skull dash wouldnt be too horrible. But instead of it being able to repeatedly dash make it to where when it hits it ends the spell

[inland bobcat]

let it be able to possess a dead mob

[woven oak]

Damaging dash can be used for damage or moving around faster and cosplaying as a innocent mob

[spring hamlet]

Idk about possesion xD thatd be cool totally but i feel like thats a stretch too i do like the concept though 😂

[spring hamlet]

True!! That would be a cool move for a kit. Pretending to be an actual death skull.

[woven oak]

Im suprised there isnt a companion warlock ability

[inland bobcat]

they do got their hydra. the good dog

[spring hamlet]

Imagine being able to like reanimate a skeleton you killed like the axe man ive seen squads get wiped by those guys thatd be a little busted but still a pretty sick concept

[woven oak]

Imagine dying to your own reanimation tho

[inland bobcat]

for the companion or reanimate i think for the balance it would lower your str making you weaker

[spring hamlet]

Dude i can see the kill feed now “skeleton axeman (reanimated) killed so and so” xD

[spring hamlet]

Maybe not your str but the companions itself. Like being able to reanimate that axeman would be brutal

Or crossbow skele would be brutal too

[woven oak]

Skeleton axeman (HelpMyHabits) killed HelpMyHabits

[marble mural]

Can they add flame shot to rangers?

[spring hamlet]

Yes!!! XD bruh i wouldnt even be mad id die laughing

[spring hamlet]

They need to nerf rangers before they add all that. I love rangers but man them guys have it pretty good atm

[inland bobcat]

i had the idea that each class should have access to some sort of "spell wheel"
Fighters get stances or special attacks
Rangers could get some druidic magic
Rouges could get a theives tools

[spring hamlet]

Thatd be interesting except the ranger would need something else since theyre adding a druid

[woven oak]

Yeah few classes are in good spots rn but need non dmg/hp buffs

[inland bobcat]

true, maybe like @marble mural said but with some elemetal arrows

[marble mural]

true the only reason i even suggest that is for the fact that rangers can get magic scaling gear and itd add another dynamic. you are right they are in a a op spot right now

[inland bobcat]

fire an arrow that is a light source for 10 seconds,

[woven oak]

attaches oil lantern to arrow

[spring hamlet]

Im definitely not dissing his suggestion at all. Genuinely its an interesting idea. But rn as it stands rangers are a pain. The slow on a basic m1 and then if you hit a crippling shot youre basically at the rangers mercy for any other shot they take. Its wild. Heck even witht he small nerf to bows you still see triple ranger teams running wild and wrecking every team in there path. And like i said i love ranger truly i do. Its fun. I just 100% agree out of every class in game they really need a balnce

[inland bobcat]

yeah ranger damage is still strong

[spring hamlet]

Like i understand peoples complaints about wizards too. But in a wizards case they’re essentially glass canons. They have (correct me if im wrong about this i dont play every class) but i believe they hve the smallest health pool so them chucking high dmg spells is kinda a given considering every class can dang near 1-3 tap them

[woven oak]

The problem with ranger is they're ranged so they have turn economy. by the time you get to them you're fucked. and then they can still melee too well

[spring hamlet]

Plus if theyre using a spear

[idle moat]

have you seen warrior or barbarian you literaly have to hit 7 arrows just to kill him and then he gets healed by the cleric. and for example rouge could kill same barb in 7 hits you delusional

[spring hamlet]

Yes but you can waste a clerics heals if you play smart they only hve so many till they cant even use a protection

[woven oak]

5 fireballs vs 20 arrows
shitty stick vs arming sword
nakey mage vs pretty high armour

Id like to see ranger range buffed and melee kinda become non existent

[spring hamlet]

Is this an agrement? XD

[woven oak]

Yeah

[spring hamlet]

See i agree to an extent with this. Some people are nasty with the range as is. Me personally i kinda rely on both to stay in a fight and be useful. I agree that with a spear a ranger shouldn’t necessarily be able to 3 tap a barb thats kinda insane.

[woven oak]

Once you waste a wizards spells they quickcast alt f4

[spring hamlet]

But i dont think entirely cutting them out of a melee option is the right move

[inland bobcat]

other issue is all of the +1 and up gear that is around now

[spring hamlet]

Yes and the fact you can get like +3 all att +whatever physical +whatever strength thats kinda wild

All on 1 item at that. Same in reverse with magic dmg thats pretty wild buffs

[woven oak]

If you wanna use spears go fighter imo
daggers and rapier for ranger sure, but if you're playing rangeer spacing and shooting and retrieving arrows/knives/axes should be it

[inland bobcat]

increased the armor values some but then lets out the +all gear

[spring hamlet]

Agreed i thought i mentioned that maybe they should just be limited to like the rapier arming sword short sword. The only reason i say keep arming swords so they can still open boxes. But ig if i say that it should also be said that a rogue should be able to crack open boxes and barrels too

[inland bobcat]

hatchets as well. they only big damage melee weapon rangers can use is the spear with a perk that also increases their damage with the spear

[river flint]

CAN I GET GREY WEAPONS IN MERCHNAT SO I CAN BUY BUNCH OF THEM???

[woven oak]

Playing cleric lately and just enjoying breaking things finally

[inland bobcat]

yeah its strange that there seems to be more blues and greens vs white and grey in the merchants

[narrow snow]

Bring rogue base HP up to 90 or fix daggers

[woven oak]

Axes would be a good idea thematically and balance wise actually

[spring hamlet]

No one likes my suggestion for cleric 😭😭😭😭

[woven oak]

What is it?

[sudden fractal]

+dmg attributes need to go

[bleak dagger]

rather delete rogues from the game and game will be fine.

[sudden fractal]

or atleast make +1 dmg the highest for that attribute

[narrow snow]

skill issue trash suggestion troll muted

[inland bobcat]

would be interesting to have negative stat gear but some really good trade off

[spring hamlet]

Ok so hear me out. Wizards get meditate to bring their spells back and warlocks can practically spam if theyre smart with their health. Whilst as a support class you have to sit and wait FOREVER for 1 lesser heal. Im NOT saying buff it. Im saying give them a perk that allows a slight buff to the increase of the regen while sitting that way they have to use a perkslot/give up another perk for it. And it can even be specifically just for lesser heals. Trying to scrounge up clarities is a pain and we cant buy them from merchants.

[sudden fractal]

anyone got suggestions for the ranger epidemic?

[spiral spindle]

Isnt that what clarity pots and campfires are for already?

[cyan widget]

don't play the game, maybe if the playercount drops they'll re-think last patch

[sudden fractal]

thats exactly my plan

[lethal tusk]

make hunting traps not a ranger only thing and nerf dmg on ranged weapons cuz its absurd and remove this bread perk

[woven oak]

.. It's literally praying and makes complete sense

[spring hamlet]

Yes im aware of this but if you read my full suggestion i mentioned that. You cant buy clarities off hand and youre telling me starting off as a cleric to pray i find a campfire just for 1 lesser heal. Sanctuary you have to stand still and channel and holy light only works on teamates

[sudden fractal]

i dont have an issue with hunting traps tbf, its mostly about the 1 shotting longbows

[inland bobcat]

could nerf the hydra lifedrain by giving the hydra some magic resistance, meaning lifedrain does less damage, less damage means you heal less

[queen tendon]

ORRRRRR… hear me out…. Add mana instead of spell cost so that we slowly gain it back but have enough to work with during fights!!!!!

[sudden fractal]

i think they need to nerf dmg on all bows flat out and remove the +dmg attribute in general

[spiral spindle]

You can buy a campfire tho?
If you dont have money for a campfire you wouldn't be able to buy those pots either

[spring hamlet]

My guy you arent reading my full suggestion youre taking the parts out and coming up with an off handed comment that only partially counteracts what im saying

[spiral spindle]

Healing is already strong, no need to make regen easier imo,
And nah there is just a reason people didnt like your suggestion but you dont like hearing why that could be

[sudden fractal]

what your saying makes sense on paper, but cleric is in a good spot i dont think it needs a regen ability

[inland bobcat]

clerics have good armor and some good weapon options. i dont think they should be as reliant on their spells

[spring hamlet]

Thank you for actual feed back instead of pickibg and choosing certain parts. I agree. Im just saying the whoel defense of “heals are strong/ get a clarity/ use a campfire” those ARENT defenses. When you start as a cleric you dont get the ability to buy clarity or campfires you start with NOTHING. Im not saying theyre in a bad spot. Im not saying they need whole ability regen buff. And as a starter kit cleric lesser heals really arent that amazing.

Plus as said before if theyre only running lesser heals its not THAT hard to bait out all 4 of the heals and then what? I also agree with @inland bobcat they shouldnt rely on their spells. Im just saying in general as a support waiting on 1 lesser heal is miserable. Atleast until you find clarities campfires whatever

[woven oak]

I dont think they should be locked out of being a spell caster though, and should be spells over this paladin lookin crusaders, tried using earthquake etc but only having two charges sucks and I don't want to wait 2 mins to get spells back zzz

[spring hamlet]

Thats what im saying literally! Its a support class. Having a perk that SLIGHTLY regens SPECIFICALLY lesser heals (not as fast as clarity or a campfire) but a little faster while sitting and you have to use a perk slot for it i dont feel like thats a wild suggestion. Yes they have good armor and yes they have good dps but they are a support class

[woven oak]

Id rather loose my active perk so I can cast locust swarm or revive inbetween fights or ring close

[inland bobcat]

what if cleric had a different way to prepare spells like in older editons of D&D, you choose some spells and the amout of times you could cast that spell

[woven oak]

I would appreciate a different spell system yes

[spring hamlet]

Something like that wouldnt be bad either. Flat out saying my suggestion is ass and not debating it with me or counteracting my idea is annoying af anyone who mains cleric understands this. Like i said im not saying they need a full on fricken buff but i still dont believe that they should have to wait as long as they do for their heals

[woven oak]

and new perks for all classes would be lovely, light radius on cleric sounds interesting

[inland bobcat]

i like the idea for universal perks. i would like one that could assist on location portal rocks, like you can hear a hum from them

[woven oak]

Literally just nerf heal and give more heals ykn its called balance for a reason and the ability to pray spell slots back is just QOL

[placid summit]

Add The HR Leaderboard Back (:

[woven oak]

died with 3 purple loot because the portal spawned above me in goblin caves

[spring hamlet]

Bruh i love you guys xD i love the fact that you guys are ACTUALLY talking this out and debating it with me instead of telling me im essentially dumb for having an opinion or idea. Genuinely appreciate yall

[inland bobcat]

yeah that really hurts

@spring hamlet good things happen some times like the friends you make when there are pleanty of portals out

[woven oak]

💕 Feel free to send a fr

[marble mural]

right i suggest flaming arrows from rangers nd i got actual decent feedback XD

[inland bobcat]

for cleric how about a perk simular to the dual wielder perk for fighter, you get more spell casts but it limits your armor options. Like i said and a few others, Clerics feel like armored Paladins

[spring hamlet]

Dude thats be sweet too!

[inland bobcat]

its also part of a take i have that clerics should be restricted from some of the armor options unless they take a perk for it

[woven oak]

Too many people aren't able to comprehend classes needs a buffs in different areas, and the second someone suggests it, they immediately get shot down. Rogues should just be able to lockpick inately
Clerics should be able to be more spell dependent
Wizards should get more spell variety
and ability to change spells ingame etc. but because class is meta or counters their main its instantly a bad idea

[inland bobcat]

give wizards a conjure wall spell, creates a barricade that can be broken and deteriorates over time

[woven oak]

Paladin cleric feats for crusading :D

[woven oak]

Teleport/blink

[inland bobcat]

for the more cast of spells for cleric if its too strong, limit to the lower tier spells

[woven oak]

Cleric has very strong spell potential but feels limited due to the weapon armour aspect of the design balance

[spring hamlet]

Yes! This is the problem and why i stay out of this discussion channel a lot because people get wild when someone suggests something that may make theyre play a bit tougher in the long run. But thats the fun of this game is learning the mechanics and how to play around them or best them. Some of the suggestions arent that wild in my opinion. I feel like a lot of people should be more open to the buffs and reworks people suggest whether its their main or not. Its not like we are devs and its guaranteed to happen

But outright crapping on someones opinion is just wild

[scenic sail]

Please give wizard a more effecient way to kill mobs!

[inland bobcat]

and for balance thats when i look at the give and take of things like the fighters dual wield

[spring hamlet]

Exactly thats why i put for my cleric suggestion make them take a perk slot up for it. So its not like theyre getting a straight buff or like the praying idea i think moth said or even the enrgy idea/dual wield idea like you said

Its a discussion for a reason. Peopel should be able to voice their opinions and have a calm debate on why that would/wouldnt be a viable change

[scenic sail]

If you kill a enemy with a spell should get that spell back like a Victory perk for wizard would be dope!

[spring hamlet]

That actually would be cool honestly. The only reason i feel like that wouldnt be all that great is because they dont have very many utility spells and theyre mainly all dos spells

[woven oak]

Divine intervention: prevents killing blows for 2.5s
Divine radiance: Blinds people that looks/looking at cleric
Make a heal touch based for balance
Light orb should be cleric spell, not sure why its on wizard and not cleric etc

[inland bobcat]

i think praying would be a interesting idea and would take up a skill slot like the wizards.
If it is too simular to it then they could make the praying louder so others could hear you doing so, or it starts refilling your spells based on the priority you chose, going from the first pick to last

[spring hamlet]

So its like they would be able to spam almost an insane amount

[woven oak]

Refills selected spell

[scenic sail]

IT would help with mobs so much i keep finding myself either fighting multiple mobs the jumped by player or jumped in meditation after fighting 3 mobs. Slamming clarity gets old

[woven oak]

or only refills per 1 slot per spell every 60s(?)

[woven oak]

Yeah especially having to rotate spells not to make meditation inefficient

[scenic sail]

Yeah a cool down would have to be added Or like a penalty if didnt kill like a cant use that spell pool for 15 seconds or something

[woven oak]

I like the thematic of audible single spell regen thats like 10-15s regen time

[scenic sail]

Yeah that would be dope

[woven oak]

Could also have a light burst after you've successfully prayed for flavour and balance

[inland bobcat]

the prayer could be like a fighters second wind that refills some of their spells

[woven oak]

pov the light burst reveals the rogue above you

[scenic sail]

Anyone think Thunderwave would be viable like a push back that does minmal damage but great crown control for wizard. I can see some amazing outplays and memes with a push back. It would be a very high cost limit tho

[spring hamlet]

sorry boys im actually ig now so my responses are limited XD finally get to play with my bestfriend XD

[woven oak]

"minimal damage"
spike trap: we've been trying to contact you about your lifes extended warranty

[scenic sail]

Haha exactly

[inland bobcat]

there have been ideas for a wind spell that does little to no damage that can push, and disrupt the gas clouds or rouge smoke, hell make it also take out light sources as well

[spring hamlet]

that would be a cool idea lowkey especially if a fighter or barb rushes you as a wizard that wouldnt be a horrible idea either a way to back them off even if a little ways

[inland bobcat]

omg... using the wind push spell to speed up your frontliners that are chasing someone

[woven oak]

bruh

[scenic sail]

That would be so sick!

[inland bobcat]

or launch them across a gap or over a wall lol

[woven oak]

Hurricane Katrina, thats the barb not the spell

[scenic sail]

Have them jump and just send them flying haha

[inland bobcat]

"fly you fools"

[woven oak]

oh god a fly spell?

[inland bobcat]

nah nah. just the push of the wind XD

[scenic sail]

That would be busted haha they would have to be just like a slow fall or something

Imagin pushing skelly champ into a trio haha

[inland bobcat]

YESS

[scenic sail]

WIzard killed ranger with skelly champ HAHA

[woven oak]

spell command drop, like rogue pickpocket but for weapons, or like spider venom that prevents attacking would be interesting

[inland bobcat]

hmm.. the wind could mess up projectiles...

[scenic sail]

Return a fireball to mage with push would be sick

[inland bobcat]

make the wind a channeled spell that you have to stand still to keep it up

[woven oak]

directional or aoe

[scenic sail]

I think a short high cost burst would be best then people will just run around

It would have to be like a Tier 7 spell with like 2 charges

It would concuss like the bat scream

[inland bobcat]

directional, maybe it fires it bursts so a ranger could time their shots

[scenic sail]

Like a cone infront of the wizard?

[woven oak]

isnt a cone infront of a wizard just a druid

[inland bobcat]

cone or line. there is a spell similar in dnd 5e, il try to find the name of the spell if we would want to work off of it.
we could have a high tier and low tier where one is almost constant and another is a burst

[woven oak]

gust?

[inland bobcat]

gust of wind-
A line of strong wind 60 feet long and 10 feet wide blasts from you in a direction you choose for the spell's duration. Each creature that starts its turn in the line must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be pushed 15 feet away from you in a direction following the line.

Any creature in the line must spend 2 feet of movement for every 1 foot it moves when moving closer to you.

The gust disperses gas or vapor, and it extinguishes candles, torches, and similar unprotected flames in the area. It causes protected flames, such as those of lanterns, to dance wildly and has a 50 percent chance to extinguish them.

As a bonus action on each of your turns before the spell ends, you can change the direction in which the line blasts from you.

[scenic sail]

Thunderwave
1 evocation
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: Self (15-foot cube)
Target: Self (15-foot cube)
Components: V S
Duration: Instantaneous
Classes: Bard, Druid, Sorcerer, Wizard
A wave of thunderous force sweeps out from you. Each creature in a 15-foot cube originating from you must make a Constitution saving throw. On a failed save, a creature takes 2d8 thunder damage and is pushed 10 feet away from you. On a successful save, the creature takes half as much damage and isn’t pushed. In addition, unsecured objects that are completely within the area of effect are automatically pushed 10 feet away from you by the spell’s effect, and the spell emits a thunderous boom audible out to 300 feet.
At Higher Levels: When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 2nd level or higher, the damage increases by 1d8 for each slot level above 1st.

[visual umbra]

I hope one of yall has obs running & a chat. Otherwise these great ideas are gonna fall on deaf ears lol

[inland bobcat]

lol i need to actualy save some of the ones on the site that i like

[scenic sail]

How can we make a community vote!

[inland bobcat]

there is a site in the pins for making posts on their suggestion site

i do like theory crafting here before making a big swing of a idea that has a small single point that people agree is bad thus not getting any upvotes

we could also search up for some of the ideas already on the site, give feedback and some adjustment, then we make another refined post

[empty igloo]

Is it possible to get a testing room? I need more time to hit the dummy to try sets

[gentle rapids]

Eventually

[inland bobcat]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/search?q=training

plenty of people want it and there are some neat ideas

[scenic sail]

What do you guys think about making the Magic Staff two handed? Still cast spells the same but with physical damage as a two hander. If you cant tell i Main wizard and have been using same spells and animations since beta test 1

[empty igloo]

Ohhh that is nice @inland bobcat !! What about auction house?

[inland bobcat]

it does the most damage melee as a casting focus and is already a 2 hander. the crystal sword is also a 2 hander that has a mix of physical and magic damage on attack.

[scenic sail]

Yeah I was thinking just for the swing animations just to look better

[empty igloo]

Does anyone know how poison dmg works on rogue and what make scale?

[inland bobcat]

use the search function on the site and you should be able to find about anything. and if there is not any then throw your ideas out there and share the post here

[empty igloo]

I did. Thanks !

[inland bobcat]

the poison i beleive is magic damage, rupture does physical. i think it says on the skill/perk the damage type and scales with things that increase that. The Wiki is also very helpful for class things or try asking in the class discussion chats (and hope they are helpfull and not trolling)

[scenic sail]

Hear me out here what about a Mirror image for wizard?

[inland bobcat]

or some sort of "hologram" illusion

[sudden fractal]

GiG fire and ice wizards 🤔

[scenic sail]

Exactly

[inland bobcat]

hear me out, prop hunt

[sudden fractal]

oh thought u meant like a mirror image new class

[scenic sail]

Haha

[viscid fern]

I have a suggestion, a moderator a.k.a me, for the gold sellers in trade chats, so I snipe them all out of the game

[scenic sail]

Hired

[spring hamlet]

i second this. hired.

[inland bobcat]

make the illusion/hologram targetable with chain lightning for some spice

[scenic sail]

I like it

[spiral spindle]

So you are saying the class with good armor, good dps and healing could use a perk to also regen faster? Yea sorry but I can see why most didn't agree

[scenic sail]

I want to turn a charging barbarian into a sheep!

[inland bobcat]

i have a feeling that might be a bit strong, this campain does not go up to a lv where you would have access to that spell (unless it was a really high tier that most wizards cant access without gear)

[scenic sail]

Yeah for sure

[spring hamlet]

not most just you with lame opinions again come back to me when youre actually gonna debate this and have a solid argument on why this would or wouldnt be viable like pockets and moth did instead of crapping all over my opinion because AGAIN youre being ignorant and not reading the ENTIRE suggestion only seeing what you want that doesnt pertain or counteracts your playstyle and are bashing me for it

[scenic sail]

What about a control mind spell that controls target for like 20 seconds? Not players

[spring hamlet]

this is why this area is called a DISCUSSION

[scenic sail]

Just trying to get the wizard the love it needs haha

[inland bobcat]

hmm maybe but unsure. have to channel first for an amount of time based on its hp to take control

i like portal souds
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/484568/portal-sounds

[cobalt root]

That would be good especially in areas with multiple floors
Had plenty of times where I'm right next to where a portal should be but it's actually on the floor below or above

[inland bobcat]

exactly and those who say it would make escape more easy... nonono.... that means people could camp those portals in hopes it attracts others. Thats why i have my alternitive idea where the portal rocks make sounds when they are in the swarm

[spring hamlet]

if they fix directional sounds they better fix the whole visual glitch too! the idea that someone can take a portal and it still visually there for other players is kinda bs. its happened too many times to me. where its like the last stretch of circle and i manage to find the 1 portal in the dark swarm to make it out. only to realise i cant interact with it at all because it technically doesnt exist x.x

[inland bobcat]

oh yeah i saw that once on a stream and it has collision as well making it more frustrating

[fossil musk]

If the allegations of IM balancing the game over streamers like Mendo is even a tiny bit true, I implore the devs of IM and the leadership to reconsider this decision and take it very seriously. There are a ton of mid and casual players who love this game whose experience is entirely different than someone who makes a living from playing your game. They have skewed perspectives and all of their criticism should be taken with an extreme grain of salt.

[ripe needle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497464/item-powergear-score-matchmaking

[blissful crane]

Hot Air?

[fossil musk]

And to clarify I don't think IM is getting dms and then following them, but I do think that streamer's criticisms should be looked at in an extremely different light, and maybe should be addressed as these types of allegations will spread and will end up being a net negative

[blissful crane]

I've watched Katie wtfbbqsauce all comers in high roller goblin caves. She can own for days. She gets no help from other players, sells things at a small loss to streamers. In no way does she hurt the game or the community. She is better than most, and deserves to make a living at it, if she does, which I doubt.

[inland bobcat]

just the discription of the spell from D&D to help base the idea for a wind spell for wizard

[fossil musk]

I have no issue with streamers, its more that I want to make sure that the optics are good around this subject and if it starts to get more and more momentum it could end up being a net negative. I hope that I am wrong, but I had a concern and wanted to share it.

[inland bobcat]

or that they dont fully follow the more competitive player base and build toward them and giving no support to the more casual or new players

[ebon idol]

I don't think streamers are at fault. Nobody understands the descition of the dev. They did this before. They are doing the same thing again, but this time with blue/green gear even more available. I have literally no idea why, and I have not found anyone who can explain to me why. I thought they wanted to take speed out of the game, instead they restore the same thing they did before the wipe came (I know wipe wasn't because of legacy gear but still)

[abstract swallow]

They're pretty clearly testing gear. They're also being understandably cautious about letting the community latch onto any softball content/balance after they made a huge mistake with Goblin Caves.

[ebon idol]

They have been testing this gear thrice now

It always ended in the same meta. How often do they need to test the same thing again?

[abstract swallow]

Yeah, it's almost like it's foundational to a game about dungeon crawling to loot gear lmao

[ebon idol]

I don't even loot the gear anymore though. I just buy it.

[wraith needle]

Makes me sad that the normal mode boss loot has been replaced with a locked chest. This would be okay if there were easy ways to get lockpicks, but as it stands you pretty much must have a rogue/bard in your party or get lucky and find a pick. The boss chest should already be unlocked, or lockpicks should be purchasable from a vendor imo

[ebon idol]

Or, hear me out, the boss should always drop a lockpick. Or even better, a key to his loot. Or his loot should automatically unlock when you kill the boss, like the door that leads to his boss loot.

[ebon idol]

It is almost as if the devs played to much far cry and had one of Vaas speeches in their brain that says "Do you know what insanity is? It is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome"

Like no joke. Everyone predicted this.

[inland bobcat]

i think the gear was ok stat wise before the patch (besides the 14 speed occultist boots, RIP)

still think the ratio of green/blue and grey/white in the merchants is a bit high on the green/blue side

[ebon idol]

I think gear was a bit weak. But this patch was just going overboard. They should have slowly tweaked upward instead of this disaster of a Damage meta

[inland bobcat]

there be alot of +all

[ebon idol]

In the meta right now? Yes, there was. But before the gear felt a bit weak.

If only there was some way between the two

[abstract swallow]

Except there's a significantly different outcome now, with gear being much more available to lower-end players and a balance pass to almost every single piece of gear? Seeing how that works in both restricted and unrestricted modifier pools is obviously important for deciding where they want those numbers to sit.

[ebon idol]

You are valiantly defending their patch and I give you extra line holder points for that, but it is a terrible patch and every could see that coming. The readily available gear changes nothing in how bad the changes were.

Just because now everyone can have oneshot gear with +30 weapon damage and +11 all stats doesn't mean that those stats are not fundamentally changing the feel and balance of the game.

Well, at least theoretically, because it is very hard to actually leave the dungeon when even 1-15 level lobbies that used to at least be safe from market gear are now flooded with blue green players that one-two shot you when you start out.

[rapid kindle]

adding in the super juiced stats is not a good idea to implement in the same patch that adds merchants selling greens and blues consistently imo

i think the merchant change is fine but not at the same time as adding in stats that give more than +3 or higher to stat rolls

[atomic whale]

Previous wipe had +2 all and +3 all, and it was bad

[frosty agate]

Warlock Needs a nerf, hydras/boc need to change

[rapid kindle]

yeah, i hope they make the right decision and revert it. lvl 15+ lobbies are back to being unplayable now that every single person i find has all blues and purples with absolutely juiced stats

actively searching for people just to slaughter them and not even bother looting

[ebon idol]

The funny thing is I used to defend gear diff a lot. They made the mistake of showing me what heaven could look like with the last patch.

[glacial sphinx]

They are trying to find a good balance between loot feeling rewarding and exciting and pvp feeling fair at different gear levels. I hope they'll land somewhere in between the last patch and the current

[ebon idol]

Now I see the truth. Gear diff sucks and it needs to be toned down.

[rapid kindle]

yeah, I understand that the game needs to have periods like this so they can refine what works and what doesn't, its just disappointing right now

[ebon idol]

I have nothing against them testing things out. But as I said before we already tested this. Twice. It was terrible both times. Why test it again

+2 and +3 all and weapon damage on all gear slots never worked before

[rapid kindle]

i think their intention was to add in these higher stat rolls in the hopes that players will buy them from merchant but the problem is most of these people won't even be able to buy it because high skill players will continue to go into low roller at no risk and wipe entire lobbies, so they can't even extract with anything unless they just happen to snag the first portals that open

[ebon idol]

It also rewards people that play more more because they get to look at more shops and buy more high end gear.

And while rewarding players that play more obviously is not a bad thing, that is not the thing I would have in mind for it.

[rapid kindle]

yeah. imo it definitely needs a revert and they shouldn't consider adding it back in until the game is far more stable at a base level balance wise

[faint merlin]

Need a map where you can not bring in any gear besides base

[rapid kindle]

right, the game shouldn't be unplayable for others who don't have all day every day to grind

[ebon idol]

I feel like if they added this, that would be the most played map no doubt.

[inland bobcat]

yeah have seen that too many times and people would just say is "get good" ect

[rapid kindle]

loot would have to be terrible or else people would only play that map until they can afford BIS for everything

[ebon idol]

When Dark and Darker players say "get good" they mean "get geared"

[inland bobcat]

facts

[rapid kindle]

and if loot is terrible its not going to be very fun

[ebon idol]

I literally had someone explain to me yesterday that me saying "I win 50% of the fight when I am equally geared" means that I am bad at the game. Like dude. That is literally average win rate

I know I am not some giga gamer, I know that. But if this game can't be played unless I win more than 70% of fights when they are equally geared there is a lot of people that will never win in this game and that sucks ass, sorry.

[rapid kindle]

the game is supposed to be hard, there are going to be unwinnable fights, that isn't the issue i or other people are having, its that unless im playing below level 15 literally every match i play there is at minimum 2 fully geared all blue/purple teams that wipe the entire lobby

unless i somehow used voip to recruit every other player in the dungeon (lmao) they are just unkillable and id rather just not play the game if that is going to continue

[ebon idol]

People also love to leave out that gear kinda concentrates on people that are good in the game. They are good, so they win more fights, they win more fights, they get richer, they get more geared, they win more fights.

[rapid kindle]

just the nature of the game no matter how hard they try to balance it im afraid

[ebon idol]

Fair enough. Last patch though I had the feeling I least got a fighting chance against blue ups

[rapid kindle]

there are obvious issues with gear mmr being implemented and splintering the matchmaking pools but i really do think they should consider it at least once during EA just to see how it feels

[ornate solstice]

Hey, just a level 10 here tired of dying to rangers fully kitted with blue rings just trying to get 1 survive on the goblin caves. Please switch to a gear score system.....

[inland bobcat]

like if they were to test that make it like a patch over the weekend just before another season just so they can try it out for a short time

[rapid kindle]

If it turns out to perform poorly then oh well, at least we know now, but I feel like the only people who think of it as a legitimately bad idea are just upset that they wouldn't be able to stomp normal lobbies anymore. I don't think a strict SBMM system would benefit this game but it is an undeniable fact that players running Normal with juiced gear (that you can't even get from Normal anymore) is a big problem for the game's longevity

[inland bobcat]

some way to split the lobbies like have some that have have a max lv cap or minimum with the higher tier lobbies having better loot

hell even a lobby that is only for lv 1-5 would be interesting

[river flint]

Why they buff merchants so much lmao?? whats the point of finding gear now if i can buy god gear in merchant and even cheaper in trading because of all this merchant buff, and grey gear almost never...

[frosty agate]

Nerf Warlock BoC / Hydra

[rapid kindle]

They are reluctant to add any sort of system that splits up matchmaking pools, which is fair and I understand why. I imagine once they have the data they need on separating 15+ from below we'll hear about what they want to move forward with. Because that is their solution to gear disparity at the moment, however it feels more like a band aid solution to a festering wound.

[muted nova]

NERF HOUNSKULL FOR FSAKE. im tired of hitting 10 headshots and them living because i get -20% damage on each hit + pdr

[spiral spindle]

"No one likes my suggestion for cleric 😭😭😭😭"
Most was indeed not the right word, my bad ✌🏽

[wintry fog]

Reduce the amount of bolas slingers and spider pots in regular goblin caves please, also reduce the number of portals that spawn and how quickly they spawn within the circle, I'm tired of playing friendly caves with people teaming like babies every match.

[tribal knot]

Im tired of Fighters in caves

[cursive hemlock]

revert 15+ if therew gunna add gear in every lobby

[clever solar]

Ban teaming all across the board in solos

[south forge]

WHAT is old rusty key used for and where ??!?!?!?1

[sharp abyss]

Wizard needs to be flushed out more, warlocks more of a class than wiz. but maybe theyre gonna do a whole thing with wiz when theres more spells in the game?

[summer wraith]

Imagine expecting/wanting people to review every clip where two people aren't killing eachother and having someone interpret if they're teaming or not. What an insane demand

[woven marsh]

There NEEDS to be a gear limit on non HRs. It is absolutely ridiculous. This game is basically unplayable to casual players. If this is not fixed by the time they fully release it, it’s going to become one of the most returned games of all time.

[wintry fog]

Non-extractor opinion, just play safe and run away from PvP until you're geared or confident, plenty of people go into solos naked/hardly geared, believe me, not only that they gave you guys 7 exits on a 7 player game, there is no need for a gear limit and if you think this game will ever implement one you're out of your mind.

[bleak dagger]

who said its a game for casual players? Its literally a hardcore extraction looter.

[flint coral]

delete the trade chat, everyone would have to farm for the game, no much of a hardcore looter if we can buy gold for gear

[woven marsh]

That is a fine opinion for a free, indie game but not for a $30-$50 full release game. They are going to hard cap their market if something isn’t done.

[fervent tundra]

There definitely needs to be a new inventory tab for crafting items, things like ore, skulls, grave essence, ect.
it just takes up too much room in normal inventory

[cursive hemlock]

FIX THE LAG PLEASe

[main oasis]

how about they increase the skill ceiling so that every little gear change doesn't result in a trainwreck?

[sudden fractal]

this is NOT the right chat to ask this in lmao

[south forge]

my bad sry

[green oxide]

I think a cool idea to make rogues more unique and to lean into the fantasy is to give rogues a spellwheel like the caster classes but its tools like, smokebomb, calltrops, traps, trapdisarm tools and other utility tools. At the moment rogues are shoehorned into taking hide because they can't W-key like barbs or fighters and have no other defensive tools.

And the tools like calltrops or smokebomb arent good enough to commit an entire skill to them. It doesnt help either that there are far too many perks

[spring hamlet]

bruh look at you go you keyboard warrior like its a suggestion discussion and youre acting like a 2 year old. i actually had 2 people think it was a decent suggestion and youre the ONLY one bashing me. for no reason. you aint got a life? friends? a wife? get better use of your time discord bot. the conversation was dropped hop off my crotch you too dry to be riding me like this dude

[cursive hemlock]

FIX THE LAG

[frosty agate]

Magic Meta needs to be changed, we need balance. Nerf Warlock.

[rigid horizon]

I just dont want warlocks to have blow of corruption (aka victory strike if it was good) or at the very least i dont want a magic user to have better melee skills then a bloody fighter. The guy whos supposed to be the weapon skill guy.
... And id like the hydras health to be nerfed but i think thats coming anyway.

[unique wadi]

the most important flaw that needs to be addressed is the fact that entire lobby's of naked people are getting steamrolled by full purple dressed. come up with a point system for gear or something and separate kitted from nakeds

[cursive hemlock]

FIX THE LAG

[rigid horizon]

A naked exclusive lobby would do it, i think.

[ashen haven]

Considering there is already controller support, does that mean DnD will be coming to console at a later date?

[bleak dagger]

what are you talking about? Are you complaining after buying Call of Duty that it is an egoshooter and wasn't a free indie game?
People are so entitled these days.

[small furnace]

It's worse than last patch, but you guys keep going in the wrong direction.

GBMM is not the solution, just make the gear disparity more fair... it seemed really good with EA Patch 1 then they undid it and made it way worse.

[spring hamlet]

this isnt full released either. you literally see EARLY ACCESS a crossed all of their stuff. thats not a completed game. its a game thats released early to get community input.

[unique wadi]

that doesn't fix the p[roblem i addressed

[small furnace]

Yeah you get rolled occasionally. That's just gonna be how it is, that is the nature of the game. We should be working to minimize the frequency of it not creating GBMM to segregate the playerbase.

[woven marsh]

Yes and I am offering input. My point was that it will be a complete game. If geared up players are gatekeeping within a couple days of it’s release, there will be a much lower player base then if they had a lobby with a gear limit where new players could farm. That should be the entire point of HRs.

[cursive hemlock]

just make a que for base kit only

[spring hamlet]

my b that makes more sense then the way i understood it. i thought you were saying that this is a completed game with too many flaws. which yea it is flawed but its still early access so its not gonna be perfect at all

[unique wadi]

ill say again, the problem i'm speaking of is there is no matchmaking to the lobbies right now, which is fine if people weren't scared to go fight equally geared teams in highroller; but they're not, they're going into lobby's full of naked teams, and there's no contest that point; which is not the games intent

[spring hamlet]

which is a fair point. but how do you manage that without using gear and using player experience? because if you do it by gear a luck newbie can find some purples and hes suddenly lumped in with higher experienced players which still leads back to the same problem

[cursive hemlock]

real

[small furnace]

It's not just about fear, but there isn't really that much reason to go to HR unless you need/want legendaries and uniques, and uniques only if you're willing to fight bosses which most people aren't.

You can get purples in the regular dungeon and inferno. So what's the point on spending the ante to be put in with a bunch of geared people and have a higher chance to queue with the streamer sweats that play this game 9-5 as a career? There isn't much point, they need to put more effort into making HR worth it for people otherwise those geared people will just keep rolling normal lobbies.

[unique wadi]

does it lead to the same problem? if you don't wear the gear into the match, you get placed with people equally geared as you

[spring hamlet]

i mean yes. but theres still experience levels. for example if someone just bought the game today being placed in with lobbies where people have been playing the play tests and since the game early accessed still would stand no contest which would still ruin player experience making the game lack luster and eventually losing player base

[crude skiff]

I think rouges need a buff

[atomic yacht]

buff wizard

[bleak dagger]

what are you talking about? warlock is just garbage.

[unique wadi]

a new player with a full kit of purples knows enough about the game to have a decent chance of killing a equally kitted playtest vet, i don't see how saying someone who's just generally good, at a game; gives you reason to say that theres no point in implementing a a point system for matchmaking in +15 normal lobbies

[frosty agate]

Are you serious? Or just a fool.

[frosty agate]

Wizard is strong, just got to know how to play them.

[small furnace]

I don't feel like warlock is bad, but I don't really feel like they're OP either. They seem OK right now, a few parts of their kit might need tweaking.

[atomic yacht]

dont care + buff wiz

[spring hamlet]

thats not true at all LOL my friend literally just started less than 12 hours ago and got a full kit of purples and he cant pvp to save his life. saying that people are relying on gear to be good instead of using actual gaming experience is kinda crazy.

[frosty agate]

BoC / Hydra mostly

[small furnace]

Probably Hydra yeah, I think particularly the ability to succ their own hydra might need to be looked at, since it's free healing at any time.

[frosty agate]

Oh, so by that logic. Buff Fighter. Let us be a magic/phys protection fighter so we can absorb damage by that logic. 🙃

[unique wadi]

you're dense af bro, literally trolling this chat with your presence. i simply said, there should be a a matchmaking system put in place to prevent fully geared people from constantly going in and clearing lobbies full of naked people in norms

[atomic yacht]

dont care + buff wiz

[woven marsh]

Oh no no. It’s a fantastic game. They just need to figure out some way to fix the Pareto Principle problem.

[spring hamlet]

yes because calling someone "dense af" and a "troll" is totally a way to debate and discuss a problem. either way. doing matchmaking based on gear wouldnt work because an experienced player naked can easily overcome a brand new player naked.

[unique wadi]

wtf does that have anything to do with my suggestion?

[spring hamlet]

READ THE COMMENT

whos dense? GEARED OR NOT EXPERIENCE LEVEL TO THE GAME AND HOW LONG YOU PLAYED MATTERS IN A GAME WEAR LOOT IS BASED ON LUCK

[unique wadi]

a naked newby ahs alot more chance to kill an experienced naked person then he does a fully purple kittle guy no?

[spring hamlet]

no he doesnt. because an experienced player would know which way to weave the swings of the weapon thats being used

[unique wadi]

im literally losiong braincells reading yuour arguments here, seeyua later kid

[spring hamlet]

ok child. not my fault youre ignorant and think that a gear based match making would make any sense.

[novel jewel]

add custom games

[knotty berry]

blow of corruption isn't fair anymore, please modify the damage significantly

[unique wadi]

explain to me how it doesn't make sense, oh wise one

[spring hamlet]

like youre ignorant af and clearly dont play the game, if you honestly believe a naked new player has a chance to kill a naked experienced player. thats the most ignorant comment of the day. the idea that your sitting here getting vulgar and calling me out my name is just sad showing you cant even have a debate without acting like achild. its pathetic. experience to the game which way to crouch which way to look which way to block matters. ALL OF WHICH a NEW PLAYER would have none of. so naked or fully kitted a new player would stand no chance.

[unique wadi]

it's hilarioyus that you're still stuck on that part of the discussion

[spring hamlet]

you cant even spell get out my face. thats whats hilarious.

[unique wadi]

you're literally talking nonsense kid, qwhat does dodging and blocking have to do with fulll purple kits against naked players?

[spring hamlet]

kid kid kid kid do you think thats an insult when you cant even properly spell words? bruh it doesnt matter.

[unique wadi]

i'd recommend trying to fully understand someones suggestion before shooting it down with bullsht

[unique wadi]

now excuse me while i go duck and dodge my way through this team of purples with my 18 dmg rapier

[spring hamlet]

its not my job as the listener to make sure the audience understands. but let me guess that concept is beyond you too.

[spring hamlet]

couldnt even get through a debate without becoming belligerent thats whats truly sad. repeatedly getting angry and calling someone a child over and over like youre proving a point. in no way does a gear based match making system in a game where loot is based on luck makes any sense. again the MOST ignorant comment of the day.

nah mate youre done. youre blocked this is over. you cant discuss without being a child and calling names and throwing a tantrum not worth my time. your nickel isnt worth my dime.

[unique wadi]

maybe if you had something to say with actuall intelligence behind it, i wouldn't have replied the way i ahve; but you're just blabbering about experienced players dodging and blocking lol

when i'm recommending a matchmaking system tghat separates people based on gear value that they're wearing at the time of entry.

[spring hamlet]

again cant spell at all and wants to have a proper debate with intelligence.
the irony.

[gray lagoon]

Why don't Warlocks start out with more warlock appropriate items? like maybe a basic grey occultist armor and boots and instead of a mage staff give them like a falchion and crystal ball so they have a kit more appropriate to thier playstyle?

[unique wadi]

that's the only sht you got lol is my spelling mistakes

[clever solar]

Imagine being so dumb that you can only see one solution. You don't have to ban ev eryone. But showing that they enforce rules/future rules will deter ppl from doing it. But I see you are probably a GC teamer. You pathetic phuk

[unique wadi]

gear based matchmaking needs to happen, or something similar

[dusk kelp]

Plz bring back pre-patch goblin cave, i miss it(

[tacit flame]

Can we sue Greed is Good for using and coping Dark and Darker's assets?

[ancient briar]

Why? Let them grow.

[summer wraith]

Lmao, you want subjective selective enforcement, it costs too much time and it's possible to just no be agro on someone and then third party and it looks like you were teaming. Maybe calm down and actually think it through

[small furnace]

Competition is good. A developer without competition is a developer that can become complacent. A developer with competition is a developer that needs to continue to innovate to prove that they're the best.

[quick rivet]

Are you planning on redesigning rogue?

[granite plinth]

with the weapon nerfs, armour rating cap should be bought down again

[vague shell]

remove cleric

healer classes shouldnt exist

[granite plinth]

Its based on dungeons and dragons, clerics wont be removed my dude

[vague shell]

it sucks because as a duo you simply cannot kill a trio if they have cleric. but if there wasnt cleric there would actually be a chance

[granite plinth]

play ruins for steamy hot duo on duo action

[vague shell]

ruins make my pc die and also I am not a fan of the map

[granite plinth]

gathering hall to find a third man

[faint merlin]

So they should remove a class because your equipment can’t run the game

[vague shell]

yes

[granite plinth]

good luck kid

[faint merlin]

Cope

[vague shell]

nah cleric is OP either way. 1 spell third hp back is way too OP

[faint merlin]

Cleric is slow as hell and doesn’t do great damage or attack speed

[vague shell]

bro has fcking earthquake and holy strike no need for macing someone

[faint merlin]

And he’s slow so you can close distance if you have a partner

[vague shell]

cleric is essential class and it shouldnt be like that

[remote pasture]

is there a way to reduce the inventory/ui sounds for me its a lil high pitched and kinda hurts

[weary heath]

Honestly if there's server trouble then we shouldn't have to relaunch the game, it should take us back to the title splashscreen instead

[plush grail]

love getting constantly killed by teams full of blue and purples in every game

[misty patrol]

Why my game always freeze after 3-5 extraction and then it crash anyone know how to fix this??

[knotty berry]

game's a lot less fun with +attributes I'll be real

[somber wind]

I agree and disagree, I think it rolling so high and all stats being available on all pieces of gear is the problem in my eyes. Being unable to make builds would ruin any drive I have for the game.

[spring hound]

Alright here me out I KNOW i would hate to drop one personally, but imagine a named unique LANTERN. It rolls 5 rolls like named uniques, and its special perk would be that it shines a much brighter light then a normal lantern, reveals invisible players. And it inflicts a "burn" status when people are being shined on by the light.

[knotty berry]

The issue for me is it allows people ot get way too powerful without making a choice of what they are giving up for that power, there's no trade off

[grizzled karma]

Suggestion: Keep bard changes, but increase buff duration and create a perk that increases melee damage the more buffs you have on you.

[somber wind]

Oh 100%, again it's just being able to stack it TOO much right now; they shouldn't have increase the limits for modifiers. That said I would be fine with the increases if they limited what modifiers could be on what gear. Like All Stat should be Jewelry only, Movement Speed should be Jewelry, Legs and Boots only and Weapon Damage being Jewelry and Weapons only, etc.

[frank nymph]

Without the burn status, I like it. I like it a lot actually, fun item

[somber wind]

White Modifiers could be the things that provide more differentiation like a piece of Armor having Weapon Damage as a white modifier making it special. This would make types of gear a little more important which the white modifier scaling has done to some extent already.

[knotty berry]

👍

[gleaming gust]

Rework the spawn in goblin caves (old highroller module) that's a door into a room with a bug, that has a door to a room with a bug, that has a door to a room with a bug, that has a door to a room with spiders and a ramp. base cleric and warlock take ages to get through that, such a weird combination of things. The circle was on me by the time i cleared it and opened all the doors.

[pastel sun]

the zone is way to quick imo, barely have time to loot anything, especially when you have fully stacked teams every normal game

[celest pagoda]

give cleric crossy

[wary inlet]

i think warlock healing off the hydra kinda stupid because it gave him unlimited health

[worthy iron]

To be fair, it's just as easy to cheese any random mob and full heal off of it

[long tide]

Forget about the balance and add more content.

[somber wind]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497700/modifier-diversity-overhaul#comment558353

[exotic field]

The items required for crafting should REALLY be stackable. Fangs, skulls, bones etc

[somber wind]

I would prefer earning that, how about a bag that can hold crafting materials (1 type at a time).

[spiral spindle]

where did I bash you?
look at you rage over someone not agreeing with your suggestion, sad af 😂

[exotic field]

Seems needlessly awkward for it to hold only a single item type at a time

[somber wind]

It's ment to just be like the Gold Bag where you cant look inside it and it just says the number inside. It's not a full on inventory. Awkward is good too, you don't want to reduce design space by making something too good.

[clever solar]

Keep teaming you scrub

[spring hamlet]

still at it bruh what a life

[summer wraith]

Lmao, i literally never team. You just don't wanna look at how impossible to enforce what you want is

[restive gazelle]

bro is a keyboard and a weekend warrior

[orchid kestrel]

Fix the gathering hall so people use it. Game is broken for solo players no one is looking for groups in game....

[clever solar]

You defend the teamers . you are obviously one of them

[unique locust]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488817/weapon-on-weapon-collision go vote if you agree

[shy junco]

i might just spam this everywhere, this is it

[unique locust]

please do it would help alot

[shy junco]

[faint merlin]

What is the point of blocking? If it never works

[wind ridge]

why would anyone want this? yall need to go back to chiv and mordhau look how good those games are fairing dead in the ground

[shy junco]

okay , enjoy your opinion, i will keep mine 🙂. the movement in the game would actually matter if we had that

[wind ridge]

im pretty sure that is all if will ever be cause if they put that in dark and darker the game would be dead

[shy junco]

why is that, u are just saying its bad without any arguments to it

[summer wraith]

No, i just don't think the answer to teaming is micromanaging the way people play, stay mad

[wind ridge]

@shy junco This is a big hell no for dark and darker you want weapon collision in the game. I do not see that working out for majority of classes in this game except for (barb, fighter, warlock) which means it would be doing nothing for (ranger, rogue, wizard, bard) cleric excluded cause they can already block with a shield. Do you really expect a rogue/wizard/bard to block/collide a two-handed weapon with a tiny dagger or a wood staff or slim rapier? What it sounds like to me is you are asking for classes that are already super tanky with high dps to become even more unbalanced in a game that is not balanced to begin with. This is just not a good option for dark and darker to even remotely consider putting in.

[spiral spindle]

Can't even answer, you got issues bro

[wind ridge]

@spiral spindle same happened to me man guy said i could not say anything i did never said crap

[cobalt root]

Battleaxe still needs more range - a goblin's shortsword hits further than the battleaxe

[spiral spindle]

He gets very upset when people dont agree with him, kind of sad when you need that kind of gratification on a discord from random people

[shy junco]

was that at me ? yall need to spread the love

[tender seal]

are you upset people have free will and choose not to kill on sight?

[split vessel]

CAN WARLOCK HYDRA NOT ATTACK INVIS PEOPLE. like ?????????

[spring hamlet]

Bruh i got issues youve been on my case for 9 hours bruh. Like seriously. No dont i wont take my pants off for you. How can you not take a hint?

[spring hamlet]

I had an opinion a suggestion you disagreed with but couldnt DISCUSS it you decide to barrage me with your bs like i care about you. Now here you are hours later not letting things go. But go figure NO ONE agreed with you and i had 2-3 people agree with my suggestion. Can you guess what that means? It means youre wrong

[spiral spindle]

You dont even know what d riding means but like to use it so much, lol keep at it man, stay mad over a dumb suggestion, unlike you I play this game so yea im not gonna respond within 5min like you 😂

[spring hamlet]

Bruh its you currently over a suggestion that was done over with discussed and agreed upon by others EXCEPT you.

Youre the only 1 with a differing opinion get a life. A job? A girlfriend? Get laid my boy. Your ignorance and pathetic life is shining through

[spiral spindle]

"No one likes my suggestion for cleric 😭😭😭😭"
This all started with you 😂😂😂

[spring hamlet]

You have nothing else to do but sit here be a discord warrior. Bruh. I made a comment that wasnt even the full truth and still got people to agree with my opinion

[spiral spindle]

[spring hamlet]

Yea thats me currently at you because its sad a grown man feels the need to cry about a suggestion and gave a wrong opinion that still no one agreed with you over

So how are you still coming at me like youre special?

[spiral spindle]

You cried about people not liking it? Lol whatever dude, you tripping over something like that is just funny

[spring hamlet]

Im not tripping you wont leave me tf alone and leave good enough alone. You have to have the last word in over something that died HOURS ago. And even my comment about my suggestion got proven wrong because people DID agree so trying to use my words against me makes you look very very ignorant

[spiral spindle]

👍🏽

[spring hamlet]

Good now fuck off

[rapid kindle]

😨 😲 😱

[arctic lagoon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497710/buffs-cap

add a cap to the amount of buffs a playe can have on them

so i dont have a barb rushing me with damage reduction, shield, damage boost, and other buffs on them

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497711/have-a-utility-vendor

utility vendor for items that are impossible to find in game

LIKE LOCKPICKS

[somber wind]

Goblin Merchant is so bad right now compared to Merchants, it was bad before but at this point it might as well not even exist lol. Most you can grab from it is rings.

[teal wraith]

Ok so might just be me but I feel at least regular goblin caves goblins do way to much poison damage "well dont get hit" the problem is not everyone is perfect if its just one goblin and you get hit once its not a big deal but the problem comes when its even just one hit then another player comes now your down a forth-third of your health fighting someone probably full I think the damage should be about what a potion can do needing to take multiple potions and a bandage or two for one hit is to time consuming for a solo player to deal with in a faster pvp game like this that almost requires all the health you can get.

[cobalt root]

goblins need a bit less attack range - they have shortswords which are supposed to have small range, but when the goblins use them, they have the range of a spear

[somber wind]

Honestly I don't have that problem, just walk backwards between your attacks and time your attacks. Don't pull like 5 at a time.

[teal wraith]

yeah add a little side dodge and your good

[cobalt root]

must be a bug sometimes then, because I was a max mace distance, then back up 2 steps, and was still hit by them

[teal wraith]

maybe ping

[somber wind]

I had that problem early on playing goblin caves but with time It wasn't a problem anymore, it's purely getting used to it tbh. yeah 2 steps isn't far enough for the most part, ping causes that usually .

[cobalt root]

which doesn't make sense with their weapon
they shouldn't be able to hit that far

[opal canopy]

cuz we use discord lfg

[somber wind]

It's mostly ping, most of the time 2 steps is fine; other times you have mild desync. So I like to do a jump back instead of a walk back.

[teal wraith]

in first person when watching from other person it makes since

[somber wind]

100% it's how we percieve distance due to Fov.

[teal wraith]

its the same as how you can be hit above your shield by an arrow it looks like your fully protected because you cant see around it but from another person you have spot open "mostly"

[thorny forge]

its like nearly impossible to run into another group using default gear

[steady summit]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497469/add-central-servers-for-na#comment558200 made a suggestion to add Central servers for NA if anyone wants to vote on it as some one who lives in central NA and deals with constant rubber banding and lag on either NA East or NA west

[faint merlin]

Can we please rework shielding

[warm roost]

can the mytsical gem be used in high roller and normals?

[drowsy grotto]

ADD ENEMY FUCKING WALL COLLISION TO ATTACKS, IT MAKES LITERALLY ZERO SENSE HOW A GOBLIN CAN HIT YOU THROUGH A DOOR.
Just fix your fucking game before deciding to add all this garbage like quests.

[plucky parcel]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497728/weaponequipment-upgrading-at-merchants

thought up some uses for the Gems to be more than shiny bobbles we sell and make them into compnents for Upgrading your gear

[cobalt root]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497729/make-default-gear-random
Just had this idea - I think it would mix things up a bit, and allow people to start with different weapons/armor

[wheat chasm]

skill issue

[lone cliff]

Launcher is sometimes buggy

[frank bluff]

Please consider removing the slow effect that a ranger experiences when stowing their bow to run. This adjustment would enhance the overall combat balance. It currently seems illogical for a ranger to become slowed while sheathing their bow. I would be more than willing to accept this mechanic if there were a valid rationale behind it, but as it stands, it appears to lack logical reasoning."

[maiden wigeon]

they should not let fighters waste second wind in pre lobby and by fighters i mean me

[rapid kindle]

they can clip you if you whiff a swing while moving backwards

[hushed kettle]

Final zone moves wayyy fast. 3v3 fighting in final zone and not much you can do.

[small furnace]

I live on west coast and even I rubberband when playing US West. Their servers are just bad.

[paper abyss]

Gotta pick battles consciously of this

[faint merlin]

Anybody else feel like warlocks are a little too fast moving backwards WHILE casting?

[hushed kettle]

I agree, but the zone 100% moves a bit quick

[paper abyss]

I think in HR it does, normals is just fine

That frantic feeling of "oh shit" is what gives games like this the magic they have

[cobalt root]

think the last circle should close a bit slower - when the last portal totem spawns, you literally have to start opening it immediately, or else the circle will shrink to nothing and you'll die - last circle is like 10 seconds

[paper abyss]

It's definitely a learning curve that you'll adapt to, I probably die 1/50 runs to circle closing too early at most.

[cobalt root]

it becomes an impossible problem however, when you get to the last portal spawn area, but it doesn't spawn where you're at, but on another level - you simply don't have the time to go to another floor

[paper abyss]

You do, you just have to make the decision very decisevely, and early.

[blissful crane]

Hello! Just finished watching the video on the Rise and Fall of Diablo IV. I didn't know that one of the big detractors was that they didn't have a single player mode to go through D3 and 4. Technical issues with multiplay, servers, etc drove people to want to play the game solo, but they couldn't, so they left.
Dark and Darker needs a solo play also, so we can have fun, learn the game, w/o getting ganked by over geared streamers and no-lifers. 8-)
Let's get a single player mode on all the dungeons so we can have some fun!

[cobalt root]

some places in the goblin caves make you have to run through like 3-4 rooms to get to above/below where you were

[paper abyss]

Yeah, you gotta take your paths and clear rooms ahead of time with that in mind. Every decision you make leading up to the end affects your survival rate at last circle.

[cobalt root]

Either way, I also had an idea for a potential perk, but not sure what class should get it (sounds like something a rogue would get), or maybe have it as a universal perk for any class to pick:
Intuition: You can see where the next circle will shrink down to (can see 2 circles on the map, the current one and the next one)

[atomic yacht]

ranger 🙂

[frosty agate]

Warlocks are busted and need to be changed.
Zoning capabilites(hydra), Life steal, dots, direct damage, invulnerability/phasewalk(Stacking Firewalk with this is a annoyance too), BoC which can rend majority of your hp.

[atomic yacht]

don't care - buff wizard

[frosty agate]

Why should wizard be buffed

[atomic yacht]

don't care - buff wizard

[frosty agate]

Lets make it easier for all of us. Either post something that is contributing or stop spam posting 'Dont care buff wizard'

[atomic yacht]

don't care - buff wizard

[frosty agate]

Keep going, That way it can be used for a ban.

[atomic yacht]

:*(

[spring blaze]

please fix bard music duration

[sour pewter]

pickpocket and lockpicking should be one perk named nimble hands - its time to start consolidating rogue perks

[cobalt root]

is there any actual use for pickpocket? if you're standing next to someone to pickpocket them, either you're about to die, or you'd be better off just stabbing them to death

[frosty agate]

Not really, Ive watched people score gold keys and other stuff off others with pick pocket. Its all about timing and knowing when to get out.

[glacial moon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497241/rogue-thief
Please ironmace Some love for pve pickpocket rogues, when?

[royal stump]

Crystal Sword Should do Magical damage to phantomized players.

Physical damage from Crystal sword doesnt count. Only magical.

This would give the Crystal sword a niche role and have a bit more utility

[frank bluff]

Please consider removing the slow effect that a ranger experiences when stowing their bow to run. This adjustment would enhance the overall combat balance. It currently seems illogical for a ranger to become slowed while sheathing their bow. I would be more than willing to accept this mechanic if there were a valid rationale behind it, but as it stands, it appears to lack logical reasoning."

[frosty agate]

Actually. I am totally down for that, that sound nice.

[blissful crane]

Hello! Just finished watching the video on the Rise and Fall of Diablo IV. I didn't know that one of the big detractors was that they didn't have a single player mode to go through D3 and 4. Technical issues with multiplay, servers, etc drove people to want to play the game solo, but they couldn't, so they left.
Dark and Darker needs a solo play also, so we can have fun, learn the game, w/o getting ganked by over geared streamers and no-lifers. 8-)
Let's get a single player mode on all the dungeons so we can have some fun!
Vote for my suggestion!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497737/lets-avoid-div-failure-and-input-a-single-player-mode

[prisma viper]

New class Tempest: Can sabotage portals to immobilize players.

[somber wind]

Like it

[cobalt root]

Cleric's locust spell should be cast-and-go rather than a channeling spell, it already has a very long cast time, and being channeling as well makes it useless, as any player can simply walk out of it and attack you.

Earthquake at least slows enemies down so I think it's fine for channeling, but locust swarm seems vastly inferior because of the channeling.
I think it says something when I've literally never seen a single cleric use locust swarm.
Earthquake very rarely, but never locusts.

[crimson palm]

grimsimle ring and fangs necklace cost too much to make for what they offer. anyone disagree?

[somber wind]

It provides luck in slots you cant get luck though

[crude skiff]

as a rogue main, i will come out and say that us rogues and warlocks are living life on easy mode, a light rework would do wonders

[light stratus]

Barbarian has insane magic resist and lame as buffball is still the META please look into how to balance this

[bleak dagger]

barbs can hit around 70% pdr and 200 life as well while dealing insane damage.

[bleak dagger]

its literally a mechanic all classes have. you are just coping.

[rapid kindle]

proof that rangers live in fantasy land

[ivory quartz]

Barb is balanced around the fact that it is slow and has low range. it is worse than fighter which can reach similar results in PDR department while still having ranged options and a shield. Barb is fine right now.

[frank bluff]

While I acknowledge that game mechanics can apply universally, my concern is about the logical consistency within the game world. I believe that mechanics should align with a character's thematic elements and enhance immersion. I'm open to balancing mechanics, but it's important that they make sense for the character's role. I'm providing feedback to help improve the overall gaming experience, Not really sure what you are trying to achieve with yours.

[rapid kindle]

Your suggestion only improves Rangers experience and makes the game more frustrating for everyone else. Not a good change imo

[placid summit]

Drop HR leaderboard again So we can farm for stats (:

[frank bluff]

I appreciate your viewpoint, and I understand that changes to benefit one class may affect others. My intention isn't to make the game less enjoyable for others but rather to ensure that game mechanics align with each class's thematic elements and enhance overall gameplay. I believe that a well-thought-out adjustment can lead to a more satisfying experience for everyone. It's essential to strike a balance that caters to all players' interests while maintaining the integrity of the game world.

[cyan sorrel]

Lightfoot boots should gain agility similar to how plated boots gain strength. I realize this would be overpowered because of scaling with the already added movement speed but maybe you could do a .5 scale and always round down. Example:
Grey - 0 agi
White - 1 agi
Green - 1 agi
Blue - 2 agi
Purple- 2 agi
All above - 3 agi

@keen onyx ^

[cunning gorge]

I would suggest removing invis pots from the game....in a game like this, invisible is too strong. A rogue having it is one thing, because it's how you counter rangers or get to the back line. But, a barbarian or anyone else using it is scuffed. Remove the pots.

[bleak dagger]

I am pretty sure you are trying to enhance your very own game experience only; that's what I am saying.

[rich jetty]

yeah that really sucks

[frank bluff]

I want to clarify that my suggestion isn't driven by self-interest but by a desire for logical consistency and immersion within the game world. While it's inevitable that changes can impact different players differently, the aim is to create a more enjoyable experience for all. I believe in constructive feedback and a balanced approach to game mechanics, which can ultimately benefit everyone.

[neat garden]

This game is boring because the combination of barb and cleric is too strong. The management said they were going to change the environment, but why is this combination in the environment forever?

[rapid kindle]

"Why is the support class and the raw strength class always played together"

[rich jetty]

barbarian is too strong anyway, but it really sucks when you get a rogue nerfed to the ground and a barbarian just gets 5 less flat damage and its op achilles nerfed, taking into account that this is the "baseline for classes" i dont think its well looked into it, also with the new instant weapon in hand bug it sucks extra that barbarian can insta switch to its weapon so you cant even atack in opening windows when he got something else equipped

ah i forgot, flat damage + perk got removed entirely *

[tiny wharf]

Implement restrictions to how many of each class can be on a team. Its ridiculous getting rolled in normal lobbies by full purp 3 man clerics that you can't kill because they have 999,999,999,999 heals

[woven oak]

Id argue that's more of a gear issue than anything

[left charm]

Why does the management want to create such a disparity that the horde is eliminated from the normal second tier and the high rollers have it?

High rollers should just be able to get high rarity & uniqueness.

[finite dagger]

Goblin caves HR map needs to have lower mob density when spawned in the normal map.

[ashen sinew]

I personally feel all +all and all physical ranged and magical damage modifiers should be fully removed, the qualities of items should remain only increasing damage/armor rating by magnitudes of 1-5 points per quality. And builds should revolve around stacking the required stats needed by a specific class like +3 strength modifier for barbarian, etc. Furthermore, remove all possibility from looting purples/oranges from normal dungeons aside from bosses, and make blues craftable into purples and then into oranges via crafting materials that drop from enemies. Merchants shouldn't sell purples, and instead, Purples and oranges should remain as lootable (from chests, etc) as they currently are in normal's but now only in HR dungeons. These changes literally fix ALL known issues (such as lack of players in HR, Destroys one shot meta, makes all current modifiers viable to use in specific unique builds rather then everyone always only copy and pasting +all and +damage, satisfies solo players and PVE only players, gives a constant feeling of progression and expands upon the euphoria given when materials are looted or good equipment is found when looting in HR dungeons or after killing bosses, etc.) and otherwise makes the game perfect as stated by thousands on discord/reddit. @dawn grotto Made a reddit post with this same message @ https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/16wwu5q/make_dnd_great_again/

[fiery ermine]

Feels like the whole community is saying this and the devs ain't saying shit

[upper summit]

This 100000x %

[inner marsh]

Yeah that made a whole lot of sense to me

[nocturne bane]

i wish u were one of the streamers,seems like they only care about there fragile feelings

[waxen flame]

Damn you're kinda right

[rugged falcon]

Found a guy suggesting that static merchant items should return. What do you guys think?
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/489283/static-merchant-items-please

[left charm]

Frankly, if nothing changes in the environment, I'm going to quit this game.
The only fun I had was in the beginning, and that's probably true of any game.
In fact, a lot of players are leaving this game for that reason.

[rugged falcon]

Try to just find something to do then? Try bossing. Try challenge runs ect

[rich jetty]

not a big deal, make auction house and you can get everything after one extract

[rugged falcon]

I just wanna buy cloth pants tbh. I was gonna make the suggestion myself

Just dont wanna wait 30 minutes to hope I get the grey ones for my cheap rat kits

[left charm]

@rugged falconI did the high roller boss, and I did the challenge from level 1.
On top of that, this game is no fun.

[rugged falcon]

Seems like a you issue then lad.

[woven oak]

Sounds like you've grinded the game to the bone then.

[rich jetty]

with the grey static it would make the game better for starters for sure, but with auction house you get money more easy and can buy it all

[small furnace]

I agree but for different reasons. All the people that have in the past been exaggerating how many geared players they run into are finally right. In normals it feels like half the people if not more are fully geared now.

Gear is so plentiful and so powerful that the gap just doesn't feel as fun anymore. It feels like I'm queueing up for HR when I'm in normal now.

I can tolerate it for awhile but if this is how the game is gonna be long term I don't know if I can take it. Might wanna try one of the other competitors to dark and darker.

I dunno why they thought this patch was a good idea, but they'll have to revert it to some extent if the game's longevity is going to remain.

[rugged falcon]

We dont have either atm though anyway. Plus auction house would just let me sell more items in theory

[midnight stag]

Arena mode when?

[left charm]

@woven oakI liked the game so much that I tried all kinds of things.
But finally, I couldn't find the game interesting anymore.
The Barbarians destroyed it.

[rugged falcon]

How are barbarians destroying it

[left charm]

@small furnaceMaybe it's time to move on to another game.

[ashen sinew]

@waxen flame @nocturne bane @inner marsh @upper summit @fiery ermine just posted my suggestion on reddit @ https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/16wwu5q/make_dnd_great_again/ (Show support if you agree ; ) )

[small furnace]

Holding out hope they realize how bad this patch was, but if the game continues down this road don't know how long I'll stay.

[woven oak]

Can you elaborate on change in environment?

[queen tendon]

What do you all think about a naked only mode. Free, open to all levels, if you have any non base items in your inventory you will not be allowed to queue. Have the same drop rates as every other map. This paired with what I’m about to suggest would allow new players to have a safe mode to learn the game without the negative effect of losing their hard earned gear. As for higher experienced players, it can be an area to just loot up when you don’t have any money to kit up.

I personally am very much so enjoying this new merchant system however it is ridiculous at times. By removing specific roll values, you can still have a good merchant system but not as op as it is now, the prices can be adjust to pertain to the value of an attribute. For example, each +1 all will be valued at 75g regardless of the item, and for bis items, perhaps increase the value per attribute based on the statistically most sought after attributes.

I think this combination would not only fix the current gear gap but also make it so that players can have pleasurable experiences rather than just making naked level 15+ lobbies feel like high roller.

[granite plinth]

armour should not scale beyond %35 damage reduction with the damage value of the current weapons

[fiery ermine]

Feeling the same

[left charm]

@woven oakOn the other hand, if the environment is changing, good for you.

It's been that way since Alpha 5.
Barbarian, cleric, this tag team is too OP.
I wonder how long this configuration will last. Will there ever come a day when other configurations are available?

[ashen sinew]

One good wizard is all it takes to obliterate both barbarian and cleric 1v2. And now, one good warlock aswell.

[rich jetty]

sell more means more money equals to more options to buy, at 50 g+ you can buy most things

[woven oak]

So by enviroment you mean the Meta?

[left charm]

@ashen sinewIf that's really the case, there's a growing number of wizards as Barbarians' anti-pick.
Barbarians are also more resistant to magic, and whether they're the third bird or the ranger, they're going to end up getting cut down by the rangers.

@woven oakThat's right.
I'm using a translation site and I'm sorry about the mistake.

[silver dock]

There needs to be work done on shields. Only one perk is somewhat useful. The one skill you use with a shield has a terrible hitbox and is too long of an action to make use of it. The worst part of trying to block, the recovery. Blocking attacks doesnt seem to be worth it when they can keep attacking during the time you recover from a hit. Even with the perk that boosts your atk spd the time it takes to actually get a swing off vs their next attack is way unbalanced.

[rugged falcon]

But thats assuming people wouldnt forgo the auction house and trade chat for merchants

[woven oak]

Oh, Good on you for taking the time to translate. Yes the meta right now is very bland. I find even if youre able to kill the barbarians team they just live regardless in most scenarios

[rich jetty]

dont know what you talking about - auction house more items to buy and more items to sell in less time, its that easy

[rugged falcon]

Ok but thats not thinking about players actually doing it
People need to use the feature and not merchants

[left charm]

Honestly, as far as this update is concerned, it's a huge mistake.

[ashen sinew]

Check out my post at https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/16wwu5q/make_dnd_great_again/ you'll probably absolutely agree then

[rich jetty]

still dont get whatyou mean, why should i sell my gear to merchants and loose money instead using auction house, doesnt make any sense

[rugged falcon]

No I mean people buying gear from the merchants

[rich jetty]

only for fast money somebody would use trade chat or to trade between items, also trade chat shouldnt be sepearated if you ask me since you can filter and its a pain ith to less people using it anyway for selling greens

whats to problem of buying items from merchants? getting blues is for the most part much more expensive

[woven oak]

Merchants need a progression system and exlusive features, Player trading should exist, Auction house should also exist. there is no reason why they cant all simultaneously exist. and on paper for long term of economy and quality of life, should exist

[rugged falcon]

Your whole point is people are going to sell to the auction house to buy from the merchants. But then if people are doing that nobody is buying from the auction house and so no money is made

[prisma tartan]

Id like to suggest a low roller option for people with no gear, at lvl 20 doing normal lobbies and running into lobster players is just odd.

[rich jetty]

no that was your point, in regards of being able to buy greys from merchants at all time of every kind, my point was getting money easy by auction house and get green starter

[topaz adder]

Question guys:
Weakpoint: Applies debuff on the next hit that decreases target's Armor Rating by -30% for 4 seconds. This only affects Armor Rating given by gear's base stats. It will not impact Armor Rating given by buffs or by +Armor Rating enchantments.

So this means that if ennemy has 20% armor rating, it decreased to -10%? 0%? or 13%?

[rugged falcon]

Yes which is not what I said

If you sell to the auction house somebody must buy it from the auction house. You then plan to buy Blues and Greens at the merchant with the money. If you are doing this and everyone else does too then nobdy would want to buy from the auction house so you cant make money

[rich jetty]

and if you think nobody uses auction house lets make a bet

[rich jetty]

how high is your IQ?

[rugged falcon]

Insulting my IQ isnt getting us anywhere. This is a civil discussion

[visual umbra]

If the target has 100% damage reduction, he now has 70%. If he has 50%, he now has 35%

[rugged falcon]

#q-and-a btw

[rich jetty]

your IQ is too low to understand that buying from merchants is all the time your point and im talking about selling and buying from auction house the whole time, so its your probvlem that you are trashtalking and not got the intellect to understand such basic things, how you peeps who not understand a simple thing always wanna waste time on giving advice is beyond me, just let others do the thinking, its not for you

[rugged falcon]

Please come back to me when you can use English grammer better

[rich jetty]

why should i come back to debate somebody not able to use logic and thinks his own points are made by others who never said somethig like it and dont get it even after 3 explanations? You are delusional and dumb as fuck, simple as that

[rugged falcon]

Mate you keep comin back to complain. I get youre pissed off so take a break perhaps?

[woven oak]

Just kiss already

[rich jetty]

i hate trashtalkers and call them out all day every day

[rugged falcon]

based response

[buoyant totem]

THATS WHAT IM SAYINGGGGGGG

Game suggestion: make more pettable pets in lobby

[lusty fractal]

huge

[stone tiger]

@here You ended up nerfing the rogue so much where it's pretty much unplayable please fix this.

[rugged falcon]

We need Otto in the goblin caves lobby NOW

[buoyant totem]

ON GOD
They have to give a buff
"happy" it does nothing but maybe make your character smile :>

[woven oak]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-dog-gif-21884036

[celest pagoda]

bro nerf healing off hydra i can just heal while at gold pile

[timid pollen]

game devs OWE it to the players to disclose their visions when selling a game at 35$ after very successful playtests and suddenly changing the recipe enough for many to find the game less enjoyable - change my mind

[lusty fractal]

yeesh

[granite plinth]

as soon as they started adding more characters. the games gone to shit. playtests were far superior and fairly well balanced

[rich jetty]

they could even end the game totally, dont owe anybody something, but i think the nerfs suck kinda, for bard for example or rogue and so forth, i think they are trying to collect data and test

[rich jetty]

what was more balanced about it?

[bleak dagger]

nobody owes you any shit entitled kid.

[granite plinth]

people wernt running around with +10 armour rating everything, loot was more rare. fights were enjoyable, everyone was on one map. the map design was better, no warlock, no bard. weapon damage felt good, cant remember the stats if im honest. but yeah it was fun

[small furnace]

They don't really have to do anything.

It's EA, we know what we're signing up for with EA.

I kinda wish that wasn't the development landscape today and people would actually finish games before selling them but it isn't, so yeah they can do whatever they want once they have our money.

[granite plinth]

now theyve added in warlock and bard, theyve micro managed the shit out of all the other classes and ended up with a ball of spaghetti

capes are stupid, also its the player base too. everyone HAS to find the meta, they have to all watch the same lame tutorials and do the same meta builds. its boring, players are boring, fuck im probably boring

[rich jetty]

i agree, it felt better to play rogue or bard or (battle) cleric and the map oh high roller goblin caves was always kinda "difficult" and not so enjoyable, implementing it into the normal caves seem to be a test of the random module thing, lets see what they change in the future, but barbarians for example were completely broken and hunting traps also very strong even today, they were totally out of border

[woven oak]

Mhm baffles me people cant comprehend what a playtest means. Can they complain yeah just try be constructive about it. otherwise vote with ur time and money, if youre not enjoying it dont invest your resources into it, and yeah unfortunately they dont owe us anything. but it would be the right thing to do if viable. right now they could just be testing the waters to see different routes the game could go and dont want to disclose ideas incase people lock them into said ideas

[rich jetty]

yeah i think everybody knew beforehand who played rogue, that that nerf didnt need such a hard turn, it was ridiculous, also the bard changes make it really unfun to play in my opinion, i believe in the devs making some good changes now into the right direction, like they claimed to do with ending the "nerfhammer"

[granite plinth]

anyway, im reminiscing about the "good old days" too much and going on a rant lol, but it was fun, it was enjoyable.

now its greasy, sweaty and just unenjoyable tbh.

[woven oak]

For rogue I think hard nerf then slowly buffing is overall healthier for the longterm then micro adjustments drawn over a long time

[rich jetty]

being specific, you got most perks on rogue and cant fit them in, a perk for hiding duration, a perk for crossbow is bad design, taking lockpick perk just fcks up your build and hand crossbow was nerfed anyway to do less damage on range and is much weaker then real crossbow so why?Rogue is onehit for many classes, only thing being op stacking like 20 weapon damage and scale it up

[rich jetty]

double jump nerf also sucks if you ask me, its unfun to be slowed down like 10 %

[woven oak]

Alot of classes need passive intrinsic abilities, perks should buff/change those

[granite plinth]

Suggest casino for game :]

[elfin vigil]

Bro I got double jump cmon

[timid pollen]

Sure dog

[timid pollen]

I think that'd be a scam by all standards - but yea i agree

[rich jetty]

yeah lets hope for the training system to change things up, but on fighter and cleric for example you choose always the same perks and its fine, maybe some viarity on the 4th perk or on cleric change 2 for group play, on rogue you got like 20 perks and just cant fit in things needed , on a ranger for example i at least get some stat on the speer if i take the perk, on rogue its just complete assfuck and abilities are for the most part useless besides like 2

[woven oak]

Which 2?

[rich jetty]

brewmaster for solo and this kidness thing for healing yourself when you heal others, also maybe buff aura for resistances

[rich jetty]

are you happy with the slow down?Tihng it got now very narrow options to use it

[vivid warren]

#suggestion-discussion message ** very important to balance the gear before classes** pls check

[woven oak]

Debuffs are only acceptable when the other end of the stick is ridiculously powerful, players dont appreciate being unable to do things or feeling bad for doing things

[amber sentinel]

Go delete Trade

[vivid warren]

actually its already deleted you cant sell items anymore unless its legendary or a bis bis sick piece

[plain bear]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497803/balance-loot-using-royal-coffin-spawns upvote, gentlemen

[neat reef]

It's always been greasy and sweaty. Mega buffed barb one shotting people and fighter with 93 percent pdr

[plain bear]

it was even more unbalanced, you just enjoyed it more cuz of the limited time

[bleak dagger]

nostalgia bias

[rich jetty]

at least rtogue was not nerfed into the ground

[ember stratus]

Ranger needs a nerf

[flint coral]

Delete trade channel , it would help out so much , yes people would still be juiced but rewarded

[bleak dagger]

I think the reality would not match the expected outcome in the least.

[flint coral]

@bleak dagger please explain , because most juiced teams are just farming pvp , then spending $10 to get 3k gold and do it again, it was never this bad in the playtests when gold buying wasnt a thing , or as bad

[main perch]

make trade like the ge in runescape imo

my message was blocked, i was just saying if people cant chose who they trade, the game will be more balanced with less irl buyers

[dark lynx]

Devs, can you make it you can at least report people you think are teaming in game. I understand you guys want ppl to be able to play how they want and i dont like when ppl make friends in a solo game but its w/e at least they talk and give away their postion via voip and ish but there are so many people queing with basic gear "Greys and white" and just overwhelming solo players with numbers. Felt bad watching a geared cleric lose his kit cause a Mage had a pocket cleric in a solo match. Like give it and option and have a list of players in game and be able to check the player name of who you think are their friends. To be clear i dont mind the players who help eachother but didnt join planning to. I think its dumb but it is w.e but watching ppl spam que together and then run down is dumb

[remote moss]

since nobody in general chat wanted to help or know anything. is it alright if i use a controller to play?

[gentle rapids]

I think there’s controller settings, I’m not sure I might be tripping. Also general is a terrible place to get any info, it’s mostly just to laugh at

[remote moss]

alright thank you

[storm blade]

Players should be able to walk thru the hydra currently they can Summons it none stop in a doorway and heal off it.

[left charm]

Do you have a good anti-cheat policy for this game? I've encountered multiple times today with obvious wall hacks, weapon range increase cheats.
If this was a free game I wouldn't say anything, but if this was a paid game I would refund my money.

[real trellis]

It is a paid game and you would know that if you were telling the truth, fudder. I've run into maybe two dudes I'm sure were cheating EVER and I play on us west and east. Maybe cheating is worse on other servers but I doubt anyone is running into several cheaters a day.

[flat bobcat]

Game needs a huge influx of players and to lock inventories so all you can bring into matches is whats on your character slots and on your belt. Remove the flea market and tweak the traders to give affordable options as well as better gear, id like to see maybe a trader like Fence from Tarkov where you can sell him items and he will resell them at a premium to the general public.

[left charm]

@real trellisIn fact, I've faced guys who were obvious cheats more than once, so don't make that assumption about me.

[gentle rapids]

Where do you play? >.>

[glossy iron]

man this game was fun until you guys wiped ONLY inventories and gold. Basically not doing anything to the game other than removing pre-nerf gear. everyone was still running high ass gear day 1 with 4 perks, what a waste of time. THEN you guys wanna throw in a "warden" with treasure? Right after you wiped the game to remove the riches from peoples pockets? sounds about right to ruin the game for a majority of players

I will be waiting until the game full wipes again in about 3 months

OH OH I can't forget about putting purples into the shop after wipe too LOLOLOLOLOLLOL

[neat garden]

NE server

[gentle rapids]

<.< yeah…

[toxic pulsar]

Let us create self found chars where you tick a box at creation and doing that enables you to share/access the stash of other chars you create with that ticked, but it disables trade.

[somber rain]

I have a fucking suggestion stop letting fighters fukcing use bows the absolute cowards and make them learn to use their class proper

[dark lynx]

People will always get gear. This allows smaller / less skilll players have a chance to obtain a solid set. Not every man in green able to kill a purp but gives the man in green a solid chance to put together a big boy set of their own. Was a solid addition they just fked it with the 2nd day hotfix where +5 phys power etc came into play

[hardy kindle]

Teaming in Goblin Caves should not be allowed, I spend some time playing acquiring gear just for 2 random barbarians to team up and chase me down, even if u kill one there's still the other present with his hp full.

[crisp tapir]

Hello I’d like to suggest that maybe in a later update that you some how include the inferno portals to ruins even if it’s just for a little while till you can make another inferno or second level to ruins or what ever you might have planned I figured I’d suggest it is all

[blissful crane]

I would like to see the game have GUILD CREATION! So it is more social and bring people together to play!

[tight fox]

Suggestion, make it so if a class has a mastery perk for a weapon you can sell it in their trade hall no clue why this isn't a thing already

[neat finch]

Just had a thought. Why does this game allow you to create multiple characters of the same class and delete characters? Smurfing below 15s is a pretty big deal and will hurt new player retention as the game goes on. Additionally it allows roboplayers to have an easier time farming.

The only reason you'd really make a new character of a same class you already have is specifically to play in a bracket of gameplay you're supposed to move past. 1 character slot per class, no deleting them to restart.

The only issue I can think this would raise is new friends wanting to play with veteran players. If you join a group with someone 15+ you are just queued into the 15+ lobbies.

[signal gorge]

"it ended abnormaly" is getting annoying

[delicate orbit]

I believe that warlocks need a progression buff in terms of the fact that they are not so good in early game without gear however i do believe that some of their abilities need nerfed vs need buffed if they are taking that much damage to cast spells the spells need to have a higher return in terms of their damage.

[knotty robin]

Can we get class specific channels please? Would be nice for discussion

[spiral spindle]

I think you just need like 4/5 magic healing and then you can even heal off the hyrda

[spiral spindle]

Those are already here, top of discord you can select roles

[glass elm]

@cosmic girder CAN YOU DEFIN kneeslapper he going in randon things and blasting music

[delicate orbit]

yes i know however I have the problem of im level 20 and get put against maxed out high gear whereing players when i have nothing.

[spiral spindle]

Yea a lot of people seem to just remake their character if they have nothing or trade what they have over to other characters

[tardy zenith]

why do you have nothing

[spiral spindle]

He just said he keeps getting put vs very geared players, so prob lost what he had over a couple runs

[delicate orbit]

the thing is we shouldnt have to do that. @tardy zenith I dont have nothing persay i have however not much i couldnt play launch day and work a lot so am just coming back into the fold. if they get rid of level based matchmaking and instead make it gear based it would solve a lot of problems

[tardy zenith]

you are using gear gap as an excuse for your skill issue

i've had no issue taking teams gear in this wipe, even with the return of absurd rolls (which i agree need to be reverted)

[delicate orbit]

I am not the best in the world not even close however before the addition of level based matchmaking i was doing considerably better. And im not hear to necessarily make excuses as you say Ive spoken to a lot of other warlock players and its been hard finding where a warlock lays in a team comp when they start with no magical healing and the vampirism perk is shit

[tardy zenith]

you can get +magical healing gear from vendors for 30 gold, just like any other stat, (also i was playing warlock, starting from base yesterday in the snowball i mentioned)

[knotty robin]

Oh nice. Thanks

[delicate orbit]

I have the most terrible luck then ive never seen 1 piece. I also do great in goblin caves solo its in a team comp that i find it a little more difficult

[tardy zenith]

this is why you work as a team and ask each other if vendors have gear with x stat, you get 3x as much

[delicate orbit]

fair

[tardy zenith]

just got a 60g marauder outfit with +2 magical healing

but yeah warlock is too gear dependent and magical healing needs to be turned down

absolutely disgusting with +10

[ember swan]

Alright getting good gear from merchants is good. Thats all fine. but could we tone down the stats? like cap any damage stat at +2 and take +2 all back to 1. I think it would even be fine to have legendary and uniques be able to give +3 damage and +2 all maybe more people would play high roller.

[atomic yacht]

magical healing should just add + x to the total heal, instead of + x per tick

lock can get 10hp/s meanwhile wiz cant even have 100% scaling on arcane shield

[bleak dagger]

no, getting good gear from the merchants is not good.

[clever solar]

where is the event ?

[buoyant maple]

Getting “decent” gear from the merchants is good IMO. Want whites, greens with whatever rolls are available at the time and MAYBE an ok blue if you want to splurge the money? Sure. However, purples on merchants was stupid and I 100% agree with it going.

The only real issue there is with purchasing gear is the general issue post-hotfix 14 is how insane the stat rolls can be, which is an issue with the game right now as a whole.

[ember swan]

@bleak dagger it is good.. anyone who says otherwise has all day to play, or likes to sit in trade and drive prices up by flipping.. boring.

[tardy zenith]

i'm ok with 1 blue in a merchant from time to time like it was before, but now that they are super available it has crashed the price of loot

[abstract swallow]

the more avaliable gear is from merchants, the less viable it is for newer/casual players to trade their loot

[buoyant maple]

The issues with the economy has more to do with VERY few stats actually being looked for. There’s so many items I’ve gotten and seen being sold where I think “oh this seems cool I could sell this for a good amount”, and it ends up being essentially worthless because it doesn’t fit the current meta of maximum damage gouging.

[bleak dagger]

In case you haven't noticed, there is an absurd gear inflation going on thanks to JackO. It makes the normal lobbies even worse for those who cannot afford it. Every lobby is filled with at least 1 team full of bis purples.
There is no need to run HR since the gear comes from candy all along.
Gear is worthless now. Greens and blues even with good stats barely sell for a penny. So the only thing that does is basically removing the lower gear tiers from the game and stretch the gap between purple and legendaries.
And for the flipping part. These people that can play all day can just sit there and flip JackO gear all day long and make insane profits and buy the gear they want.
JackO singlehandedly destroyed the economy and made gear besides bisgear worthless, but to the point were running normal bosses is completely senseless. They might drop 2 purples with random stats on average; JackO drops 20 every half an hour you can choose from.
The whole thing makes the problem for the lower end of people who cannot afford shit just worse. There is nothing good about it. And "anyone who says otherwise" has no idea what he is talking about

[simple fable]

Yeah brother says "skill issue"

[frank bluff]

even if it does , his logic makes sense which means he is not wrong even if your tiny brain can only understand skill gap issues.. you are just trying to make words come out of your mouth .

[simple fable]

Sorry bro im so bad at game i "look dodged" barbarian axe 3 times in a row while bonking him in the face 7 times with a mace but ey doesn't matter you get one tapped through plate mail as cleric, but that's how the games played you run with nothing until you get smth and then we will see your so called skill how you gonna keep that, so its classic to be prepared to deal with a purple geared team you're just stupid if you think you can fight them with grey gear

[simple fable]

Bro who tf are you?

Go edit your other msgs to add "tiny brain" into them also loser kid when I wasn't even talking to you lmao🤣

[frank bluff]

I would suggest remaining in silence if you have nothing productive to suggest about the game. kids now a days... amazing

[bleak dagger]

I think you did too much coke, little monkey.

[simple fable]

lmao 23 but chillaz my dude

[tulip hill]

I wanna get some opinions on this
Is warlock being able to leach life by Cursing their hydra too powerful?

[quiet gorge]

A good suggestion would be to have the game activate whatever button you hold, for example, hate pressing 1 and holding rmb, then it doesn't block asap weapon is up.

[frank bluff]

This is what happens when you give ignorant kids the possibility and chance to express themselves...

[simple fable]

You're literally delusional, trying to say smth

[tulip hill]

Chill with the personal attacks
block each other if you have to but lets keep it civil

[simple fable]

Just stop talking fr you making a fool of yourself playing online hero trying to presume others lives lol

[bleak dagger]

why are you such a toxic piece of sh*t? You came here and immidiatly started to insult people. Get a life, get some friends, seek help.

[simple fable]

I replied to some dude who was obviously complaining about getting purple geared lobbys destroy him, you're just blabbering im a kid? Im ignorant? Like who tf are you even?

[chilly estuary]

this aint a suggestion but a question do yall notice much worse stuttering the better the gear quality you put on cause me and alot of other people i know been having problems with you put on good gear and the game becomes stutter and stutterer

[bleak dagger]

Thats all in your head. I wasn't complaining the least about people destroying me. I have enough gearsets (thanks to JackO) and enough money to buy even more. Not only are you ignorant; you are a angry arrogant manchild.

[simple fable]

Ah bro you're the 21st century snowflakes who get hurt by light rain, go tell your girl to bring you flowers man if you think im toxic

And you're obviously ignorant thinking it was you @bleak dagger

[tulip hill]

I have not noticed any such correlation
if its seems like a subtle effect it could be negativity bias
by that I mean the more worried about losing your gear the more intrusive the stutters feel
but if its more obvious than that I'm not sure what it could be

[bleak dagger]

yeah thats totally ignorant of me assuming you posting below my message without any link to any other message. blocked man. grow up.

[simple fable]

Go for it my dear snowflake so i don't see your delusional messages no more thanks for not making me waste time on you no mo my bro 😉

[grave veldt]

Let's keep it civil please

[atomic yacht]

uh oh dads here

[rose folio]

Change Barb starting weapon to something that's not complete garbage, or atleast change it to a bucket of throwable goat doodles that would be 10x more useful

[tulip hill]

Let me start off by saying I like Warlock
but I feel that cursing your hydra to heal is a little too free
hydra already has really nice utility so being able to infinity sustain you with only a couple points of Magical Healing as well I feel is a little much
while they could just hard code it not to work, here's an idea that may be more interesting

they could make it so instead of a health pool, the hydra could take a number of hits instead
with enough magical healing you could still get life back from your hydra, with Eldritch Shield you'd need much less as well
this would also change the dynamic of the hydra in PvP, since cursing your hydra would make it go away much sooner
additionally, this would make faster hitting classes better and removing the hydra compared to slower harder hitting classes
considering the hydra forces rogues out of Hide, I feel like being able to quickly get rid of the thing that just busted them would be nice for them

Further more, I would be interested to see a change to how torture mastery works in the first place
right now it allows Curse of Pain and Power of Sacrifice to leech life each time said spells do damage
notably, Torture Mastery's interaction with Hellfire was removed
CoP and PoS are both "Evil" spells while Hellfire is a "Fire" spell
other Evil spells that deal damage include Bloodstained Blade, Life Drain, and Summon Hydra
Bloodstained Blade seems like it could work perfectly well with Torture Mastery
Life Drain working with it might be too much healing but at the same time it is an awkward spell to use in combat
and Hydra's projectiles are very easy to dodge
with all that said, Torture Mastery could be changed to work on all Evil type spells
(also even at 50% Torture Mastery's scaling might be too high, I'd rather have a higher base number with lower scaling)

[ionic mist]

An exclusive emote where I can celebrate being part of the anniversity means alot more to me than a purple item that i may get my hands on it and lose it by wipe.

[echo wharf]

gear score matters way to much in this game, people in full purple gear roll the entire lobbies. there is no reason to play high rollers

[upper sonnet]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497897/rework-enchantments-rolls-to-be-more-weaponclass-specific A suggestion to fix the 'drive for gear' without flat damage modifiers.

[chilly estuary]

nah trust me ive asked a ton of people this and they notice the stutters get worse the better gear you get like purple gear some peeps including myself makes the game unplayable

wait do yall think warlock is op rn and want nerfs already

[sleek tusk]

this game straight sux now. idc what anyone says it is unplayable even geared. just a bad game now

[summer wraith]

If it was no higher than +1 all except on legendary and above and weapon damage occurs on weapon only it would be better. The gear scales too high and the only way to compete is to be fully invested. It's a burnout generator

[tulip hill]

OP? nah
power wise I think they are fine, I just feel that some of their power needs to be moved to other parts of their kit

[summer wraith]

Magic healing rolls need to be lowered to +1 only, being able to get 15-25 per tick ridiculous. They can cast hydra and recover off it in one curse of pain tick, full heal in 4-6 seconds. That aspect is how they're OP

[pastel sun]

warlock has a problem where when you dont have gear the class feels horrible, and when you do have gear, hydra is a personal cleric with infinite heals

[green karma]

a suicide bomb type spell for warlock

[teal sundial]

I think it's worth considering highlighting friendly ranger traps with a small illumination or outline. Too many times it's been dark, and my toes got caught in those traps and I die.

[dawn zodiac]

FIX GOBLIN CAVE PORTAL IN GOBLIN MAZE. TEY ARE NOT SPAWING

[cobalt root]

sometimes it spawns on different floors
but it doesn't show it properly on the map

[dawn zodiac]

i went to both floors. 0 portals

[cobalt root]

huh, weird

[glacial moon]

Nerf Rogue Dmg &
Buff Rogue Stealth steps
Let the rats run freely
OPEN THA GATES!
Thank you Ironmace devs!

[upper hearth]

Need to remove +2 all for blues and greens as well as strength and other stat stacking on top of it for anything below legendary or unique.

[primal torrent]

Would be cool to see a damage chart of how much damage I did, to mobs or to players

[steep tartan]

Can this game have some accessibility? The PVE is janky enough, not being able to hear them makes them unberable

[bleak dagger]

stuttering and lag is crazy at the moment, but I doubt is has anything to do with gear.

[bleak dagger]

but for legendary and unique it would be okay? What sense does that make?

[upper hearth]

The fact that their rare and you need to Earn them maybe just uniques idk but 0.01% drop gear should feel like 0.01% gear. Obviously taking them into normal should be restricted or penalized stat wise.

[vapid mist]

Slimes in the game

[storm echo]

make blue shards easier to get or lower the escapes needed, such a big ass grind for like 2 of em

[bleak dagger]

I thimk you did not really observe well where the game's economy and gear scaling stands right now.

[upper hearth]

No, sadly I have other commitments in life and am just trying to enjoy a game without being Mike Tyson'd by a barb with 70 strength

[tulip hill]

well yeah, thats what I mean
their overall power isn't really the issue, their sustain is just too easy and free
as I said before, the scaling on Torture Mastery should be tuned down with base healing of 2 to compensate
and healing off your hydra should be addressed, my earlier suggestion makes it so the healing you can get from cursing it becomes limited but should it land a few of its projectiles you'd idealy get a similar amount of health back

[bleak dagger]

and a unique on him thats even better by design compared to your blue stuff would solve the issue?

[upper hearth]

Yes because I would fight it far less often so i can actually have fair fights and accumulate gear. Also I didn't say that it would stack with the same number of stats, that was your assumption.

[bleak dagger]

I don't get it man, sorry

[upper hearth]

idk, maybe it needs to be removed entirely. I just want to feel like I'm having fun again.

[bleak dagger]

I think gear scaling is way too drastic right now. especially the +all/ +weapondmg stacking meta. Not very divers, nor fun actually.

[upper hearth]

The +2 all is terrible, atleast when they stack strength I can kill them with magic damage but with the +2 will in the +2 all their magic resist scales as well

[bleak dagger]

its a no brainer. do you want +2all or +3 single stat on your gear? very hard choice. Thus there is no need for other modifiers to exist but being gap fillers.

[tulip hill]

personally I think +all should be capped at +1 except for two handed weapons since they effectively take up two gear slots

because even though not every stat is useful for a given class you are still getting 6 attribute points and your class wants some of those

[arctic lagoon]

they should add a bit more rag doll to the player models, for funny ragdolls

[upper hearth]

I think the issue is also incredibly bad right now because of the shop, they can get these god roll items by opening the shop every 2-3 games. +2 all +2 strength jewlery is bad enough but the pants with 2 strength 2 agility and 2 all makes it even worse.

[tranquil pendant]

3 level maps

[upper hearth]

I believe those are actually planned, they just have too much on their plate.

[rigid horizon]

Tryhards would get their hands on this kind of gear easily without the help of the merchants thanks to the traders and their knowledge of the game. All the shops do is regulate the prices at which people trade good shit and makes them more available for people who have lives. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. Its reducing the gap between the haves, and the havenots. The issue comes from the balance of the gear itself.

[upper hearth]

Thats another way to look at it, I guess your right.

[tender timber]

Please allow the Rogue to use Hide while Equipped with Lantern/Torch.

[upper hearth]

kind of an odd request, why you want that? The bonus Stats?

[rigid horizon]

Because if +2 everything's and + weapon damage on all items didnt exist, and the stat roll chances were actualy balanced, id be willing to bet you wouldnt have an issue with the availability of good gear because the good gear wouldnt be such a unfair advantage

[tender timber]

Because I have to then toss it out of my hands to use hide or get screwed in the moment.

[upper hearth]

I think every class has something similar. Maybe a way where it automatically goes into the inventory or unequips

[rigid horizon]

Good god, the devs dont want people sneaking around with lit sources of light out? What are they thinking?

[tender timber]

I could support that also, but having it lock you up and not use the ability is rough lol

[tulip hill]

can you go invis with a light as Wizard or with Song of Shadows/Invis pot?

[rigid horizon]

If they can, then they shouldnt

[tulip hill]

why not?

[muted nova]

because rogue can't

[tulip hill]

okay
so why not make it so rogue can?

[dreamy oriole]

Goblin Cave High Roller needs a rotating map as well, people can just spawn rush prison spawn, its a known rush spot and needs to be rotated out

[glacial moon]

Nerf Rogue Dmg &
Buff Rogue Stealth steps instead.
Let the rats run freely
OPEN THA GATES!
Thank you Ironmace devs!
❤️

[uncut slate]

I really want a game summary at the end of matches. kills, dmg dealt and taken, value of loot raided, etc

also a campfire emote where you smoke a huge gandalf pipe

[ancient briar]

Wizard is in the best state ever, Ironmace keep it this way so my Barb can run them down with fists.

[spare grotto]

Suggestion:
-Double everyone's HP
-Make every class's kit as fun and useful as Warlock's
-That's it.

**I'm a streamer, and heard you listen to and do everything we say.

[distant willow]

Possibilities for a durability system 🤔

[tulip hill]

I feel like Hide Mastery should be dissolved into rogue's other rat perks
like, instead of 1 perk that gives you 40 seconds of hide have Stealth, Pickpocket, Creep a maybe a couple other perks give you smaller amounts of increased Hide time

[charred summit]

I think they should take another look at the health costs for warlock spells. Because it's a flat number at the moment if you have high enough stats, you can spam alot of spells. I believe the health cost on spells should be %max hp. Because it's %max hp warlocks will have a set number of casts until they die. This of course can be offset by high magical healing like they normally do.
1: encourages warlocks to aim a little better instead of spamming over and over.
2: gives skill expression and allows players who are good at blocking or dodging a chance to counter play.
3: prevents warlocks with 140+ hp from casting (for example curse of pain) 10+ times and still not be low after being outplayed or bad for missing so much

[still sky]

I have a great suggestion, lets get a focus on fixing shields or taking them completely out of game please. It's about time to focus on fixing the basics of the game

[tulip hill]

I agree, from a design perspective % max health is probably better
that said, I don't think that's that much of an issue since once you get to the gear level that a high HP pool might cause an issue Magical Healing enables much more spam than just having higher health
as long as you land a curse of pain on anything, even your own hydra, you get more casts back than you +max health gives you

[charred summit]

Yeah but it is quite unhealthy for the game when a warlock spams 7-9 curse of pains. You block or dodge all of them and then you hit him 2 times and they are still above 25% hp... there should be a punishment behind casting so many spells and missing.
Look at clerics and wizards

And because the spells cost %max hp, it will always be a set amount of spells countered by the healing they normally get from landing curse of pain

[tulip hill]

fair point there, max health does give warlock a lot of room to make mistakes, but lets reverse the scenario
if I'm fighting a barbarian who built a ton health and I hit him 10 times but they just W key at me and 2 tap me since a lot of their health came from building strength as well, is that healthy for the game?

[charred summit]

It simply opens up more chances for players who are able to block or dodge to punish the spamming of spells

[charred summit]

The counter is the fact you can punish them with ranged while warlocks are great with ranged and melee with BOC and hydra heal spam. Yeah the barbarian has high hp and dmg from str. But when a warlocks spells also benefit from high str is not healthy.

[tulip hill]

fair fair
I still don't think max health is that big of an issue on warlock
if you use your enchantments to get a bunch of health you are not using those enchantments for other things
warlocks biggest balance concern is right now is their health sustain, not their health max

[charred summit]

Yes the health sustain is an issue, they should cut vampirism heal in half, and have spells be %max hp

[steep tartan]

This game needs to fix warlock, there is 0 reason to play any other class at the moment outside of ranger

Didnt mean to ping ya

[tulip hill]

I'm not sure vampirism is the problem, even at 50% scaling Torture Mastery provides a lot of healing with only a couple points of Magical Healing because it also scales with Magic Power
I think they should cut back on the scaling and maybe give it 2 base healing depending on how low they make the scaling

alternatively, they could make 0% scaling Torture Mastery base kit for Curse of Pain and just rework the actual perk into something new
I don't think I've ever seen a warlock without Torture Mastery (I'm sure they exist but rare enough that I've never seen it)

[echo wharf]

blow of corruption needs to be reworked

[tulip hill]

Damage too high? Cooldown too low? whats the problem?

[echo wharf]

damage is way to high

[dense sand]

grey falchion + starter kit+ blow of corruption head shot= 96 damage

[echo wharf]

even with the staff its too high. i got hit by floor spikes as a fighter then one shotted by a warlock with a staff

[dense sand]

also feels like theres a double hit bug with it that happens rarely

[normal inlet]

How to balance classes, balance the gear first. take away all attribute rolls on gear. game would be a level playing field then

and i mean all attribute as in, every single attribute roll no more 40+ will clerics, 50+ str barbs.

game was hella fun in playtest, now its have 1 fully geared crew wiping the full lobby

[tulip hill]

so blow of corruption will do 30 damage on a headshot plus whatever the actual weapon attack does
that 30 damage is then boosted by Magic Power but is also reduced by MR
since that is very gear depended lets just assume its doing around 30 on a headshot
hypothetically, if BoC did True Magic damage instead, it wouldn't care about Magic Power, Magic Resist, or Hit Location modifiers and would always add 20 damage regardless of any other factors
does that sound fair?

[earnest gulch]

Suggestions: Pickaxe rarities should mine faster than the last rarity instead of having more movement speed that or pickaxes of higher rarity have a perk which has a chance to give more ore either mine for longer or simply give you extra ore, GREEN 1 ore with chance, BLUE up to 2 ore with higher chance, PURPLE 3 ore with highest chance, and rogue hide mastery should be able to interact while in hide the 20+ seconds of hide isn't worth having it equipped even with pickpocket.

[unique locust]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488817/weapon-on-weapon-collision go vote if you agree

[tulip hill]

earlier I suggested that Hide Mastery should be dissolved into some of rogue's other perks
rather than 1 perk that gives you a big bonus to hide duration I think it would be better if a handful of the more rat focused perks should have small bonus to hide duration

[midnight timber]

Getting 1 tapped by a Warlock with Blow of Corruption is fun and interactive.... please fix this

[echo wharf]

are you saying that is what it is right now?

[tulip hill]

nah
hypothetically
tis but a possible thing they could do
unless you are asking about the top half of that message

[soft nebula]

QOL suggestions i have:
-Helltime: hell currently feels more like a race against the storm than anything, bosses must be rushed and sometimes pushes people away from even trying bosses, maybe some extra time to this especially earlier zones might be nice, (+45 seconds 1st zone, +30 seconds 2nd zone.)
-TheDarkness: right now the darkness is a little odd and very hard to pinpoint when exactly it will happen, maybe instead make it a punishing zone (5-10+ dmg a tick)
just to get that final lil loot and open that portal.
-GoldSorting: the way to manage gold and gold bags is a little wonky and it doesnt feel nice at all. maybe have a new system to take gold out of bags, or completely just one click empties it out, whatever it is, just something not as clunky.
-ClassLimits: this one is controversial and very likely not even considerable, but seeing a team going for example, double ranger especially in the ruins is very hard to fight against, especially in its heavily open terrain, so limiting how many classes can be played may be a tad nice, at least maybe exclusive to HR.
-Hydra: hydra right now plays almost as if you have another player on your team, with enough magic healing there is no penalty to using it. a nice touch to balance it would be to disable healing from it and perhaps either increasing its health penalty or creating a "dragons rest" period, for around 30 seconds or so.
-Attributes+enchantments: obviously this is a little tough to balance, and i like higher amounts of stats on my weapons, but i think a secondary rarity for these would look very good. for example, +2 phys dmg, could be a green enchantment, and +4 could act as an epic. making these higher stats rarer, keep in mind im saying that just cause an item is epic means its enchants are epic, simply another way to make an item feel more special for cool rolls, and making good roles rarer.

[steep tartan]

^^ would agree

[soft nebula]

soz, one more:
-collisions: currently i can in theory get past a mob or an enemy, however the hitboxes seem to be slightly bigger, comepltely stopping me from moving me and trapping me. i think making these hitboxes a little less punishing on getting stuck passing through mobs would make traversing away from the storm alot more satisfying and, even possible.

[lost galleon]

NERF RANGERSSSSSSSS!!!! PLEASE!!!!

[soft nebula]

if your gonna make a suggestion at least offer some ideas for how to do it, or go to general

[tulip hill]

Helltime I think is fine for the most part, though maybe a bit more time for the first few zones since the zone can possibly mess up your boss attempt if it closes towards an edge
GoldSorting they use to have it so you could drag on bag onto another to move coins but got rid of that for some reason, bringing that back would be a very nice QoL change
ClassLimit not a fan of this, stacking one class should be fine, the problem is if a class individually is strong than stacking becomes an issue. Balance the classes and stacking stops being an issue
Hydra Hydra on its own is fine, its attacks are super easy to avoid, though because warlocks can sustain off it they basically can just spam it and stay at full health which is where it starts getting nutty

[lost galleon]

my idea, is to much dmg, period.

[urban ibex]

Just drop the magical healing scaling on torture mastery by 50% and set hydra hp to 30

[tulip hill]

doesn't torture mastery already have 50% scaling?
also if hydra's health gets set to 30 it would need to scale in some way otherwise it will be completely useless (for combat, still useful as a rogue detector)

[soft nebula]

thats the thing, it would still be usable, currently with even +2 or 3 magic healing you can place one up every other second

[restive gazelle]

bro someone inside just told me they release patch and update without testing 💀

[olive sequoia]

buff fighters range defense full gear killed by a basic bow in 4 shots no pen at all so fun to have a ranger with basic gear 4 shot you from no where please buff defense against projectiles or add a more steep drop off for the bows where they cant it you from across a massive room please it not fun to try an try to do everythign right to be ended from a person so far away you cant even seen them but hey they can hit you bc ranger arrow flys forever

[tulip hill]

fair
let me rephrase
Hydra would be useless as a zoning tool since it'll die too quickly

[soft nebula]

tbf it is a beta rn, we are the testers. but i do think maybe having a few people they allow access to prior that have a large understanding of the game would be a very useful tool for them. right now they simply have too small of a dev team from what ive seen

[urban ibex]

Wiki says:
"When Curse of Pain or Power of Sacrifice are active on a target, any instance of Magical Damage Over Time from Curse of Pain or Power of Sacrifice dealt to the target will heal the Warlock for 1 Magical Healing. This healing is increased by the Magical Healing stat and the Warlock's Magic Power Bonus. This healing has 50% Attribute Bonus Ratio. "

What i seem to understand is the magical healing is 100% then the attribute scaling of your magical power comes into play only at 50% of efficiency

[restive gazelle]

bro their is beta and players test and release things without any testing dude

right now bro the game is just joking at its player

[soft nebula]

heavily doubt that. lots of stats to look into, the massive jump in stats in the previous patch however may have been a little too ambitious from them

[restive gazelle]

all is 50%

[tulip hill]

on the wiki's Healing page it lists Torture Mastery at 50% scaling with the following formula

(Base Heal Amount + (Magical Healing * Scaling of Spell)) * (1 + Magic Power Bonus * Scaling of Spell)

[soft nebula]

me personally i dont even think its their healing that is the problem, its more so their damage potential, in which there is easy fixes IMO.
-curse of healing should not give you healing
-blow of corruption should have a health penalty or shorter duration that makes it critical to use it right prior to using it
these are some of the things i feel could easily change how warlock is played in a more* risky manner

[restive gazelle]

curse of healing should not give you healing

[soft nebula]

? thats not a curse and if it was it defenitely should sicne its called curse of healing lol

[tulip hill]

what is curse of healing?

[urban ibex]

curse of pain?

[soft nebula]

curse of pain and its healings really arent that massive of a problem

[restive gazelle]

but you want still to remove its healing ?

[urban ibex]

what is curse of healing then?

[tulip hill]

I'm so confused

[soft nebula]

no? warlock is built around taking that health pentalty and then healing it. should not get rid of its healing (im assuming he means curse of pain)

[restive gazelle]

bro is creating new spell and saying opposit things

alphi are you good

[tulip hill]

okay
everyone slow down
@soft nebula I think you mistyped
you said "Curse of healing should not give you healing" in this message

[restive gazelle]

yeah man what did you mean

[soft nebula]

OOOOOHHHH i am so sorry LMAO i meant curse of sacrafice i didnt even realize my typo i do apologize

[restive gazelle]

a ok i understand better i didnt know what curse u meant

[tulip hill]

ohhhh
that makes so much more sense

[restive gazelle]

bro i just checked their is no curse of sacrifice didnt u mean power of ssacrifice?

[tulip hill]

Power of Sacrifice
everyone calls it a curse
and yeah, maybe, its funny because the tool tip says its only suppose to work for Curse of Pain

[soft nebula]

yes that one, it does allow for you to heal which is does not state it should heal you

[restive gazelle]

how so its weird

Curses the target with sacrifice, taking 3 Magical Damage per second but increasing Strength by +15 over 12 seconds. This counts as a debuff, and so is affected by Debuff Duration.

[soft nebula]

yeah, and it heals you, which i dont think is intended

[fast lily]

Curse-of-accidently-casting-this-on-myself of Sacrifice

[soft nebula]

this is the most relatable thing ive read today LMAO

[fast lily]

I just want Curse of Pain 2

[tulip hill]

I honestly don't like the idea of Torture Mastery only working with 1 specific spell, though being able to double up on healing from a single target is questionable

[soft nebula]

i want a curse that one shots but if u miss you instantly die yourself. good luck against shielded skelotens

[tulip hill]

people already hellfire themselves, why do you want more suicide warlocks?

[soft nebula]

because watching people accidentally die to themselves in game is tier 1 comedy

[fast lily]

Real talk, a Warlock spell that that causes an explosion around themself that deals a lot of damage to themself but a lot of damage in an aoe would be amazing.

[tulip hill]

call it Immolate

and actually that would combo so well with Eldritch Shield

[soft nebula]

i do agree, it should also shred armor temporarily making it a fair duel, but i would make this an ability, so that it cant be fused with blow of corruption, unless its used as a one way method to kill close range fighters

[tulip hill]

oh fair, warlock needs more abilities
and making it an ability instead of a spell makes it compete with the other abilities rather than the other spells which raises its opportunity cost

[soft nebula]

we are in heavy demand to make rogues lifes worse, this would make it amazing (not for them tho, they would suffer >:D)

oh yeah i was also thinging, just like rogues can use invis, but theres invis pots, what about theyre smoke screen, and make it a grenade instead, it would make it very nice for pushing up to rangers, at the cost of a slightly rarer item

[keen scaffold]

fighters should have 20 strength atleast

[soft nebula]

I agree, however make the weapons expert penalty higher, getting hit for more than 50% hp by a fighter with a crowssbow isnt fun, especially because for some reason the penalty doesnt apply to (some)crossbows

[crisp hatch]

@soft nebula man you really don’t know anything huh? The crossbow is a fighter wep they don’t get a penalty using it

[faint merlin]

Really need some sort of limit on loot you can bring into raid. My group has run into 3 groups in a row with purples/blues and we are running white or base gear

[soft nebula]

thats what im trying to say? i dont think it should be that way off rip

[torn goblet]

remove shrine of speed

[restive gazelle]

can we date

[soft nebula]

mwah :3

[fossil lotus]

please remove silver coins until they are useful for something, its very anti-fun to spam exchange for gold coins

[tacit storm]

add a training ground like tarkov

[fossil aurora]

Where do you get dark matter from?

[small furnace]

I missed the q and a cause I went out when it was going on, didn't know there'd be one since they didn't say so until today.

Did they comment on the current gear gap balance at all? I tried to read his answers but discord doesn't load people's questions properly in replies.

[coral ice]

litch king for sure others not sure

[cobalt root]

in the goblin caves - the HR map rolls way too frequently - it's like 80% of the time for me

[cobalt sail]

They need to add more skill to Ranger. It is currently just a point and click class, and it is so broken. Make it to where the shorter you pull the string, the less damage you do. The longer you pull, the less accurate you are. Do SOMETHING. IT is getting so annoying for everyone that isn't a COD point and click warrior.

[mellow maple]

Virtual particle pair anilhilation?

[cobalt root]

someone else said it's a rare drop from lich/elite lich

[soft nebula]

i feel as though a good fix to rangers would be stuff other than nerfing them right now, for example, the way maps are shaped, or items to counter them or even abilities. for example ive said it before a smoke grenade to close the gap would work really well to counter long range

[languid spoke]

if we're gonna have 0-15 lobbies you should lose your newb status if you queue into the 15+ lobbies. seeing lots of drop traded kits to lvl 1 accounts

[grave whale]

flat damage add attributes have made ranger so broken they can build +3 weapon damage on everysingle piece of gear and one shot just nerf the attributes and ranger will feel much more balanced

[torn goblet]

make it so that you cant float on mobs when jumping over them

[languid spoke]

rogue smoke grenade being a thrown ability would be dope af

[steady summit]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497469/add-central-servers-for-na#comment558200 made a suggestion to add Central servers for NA if anyone wants to vote on it as some one who lives in central NA and deals with constant rubber banding and lag on either NA East or NA west

[onyx pivot]

man i play on east coast sevrers (where i live) and i still get rubber banding and lag

[mellow maple]

blue portals in hell should spawn in groups of 3

[soft nebula]

no im saying make it an item, that anyone can use against archers

[languid spoke]

could be cool too. i'd still like to see rogues get non-stealth options though

[charred pawn]

Guys imagine if when we trade we can not only filter suffix but alsorolls like on path of exile

[soft nebula]

very super true, i think theyre stealth attacks right now are very frustrating and while it is in their nature, having someone at the same gear level as you not give you any warning before battering your skull in is not fun and very unfair, i think reducing their stealth factors back down and increasing theyre actual speedy nature instead would be very beneficial to everyone

[brittle crane]

If the AI had an LOS acted more natural or confused people would probably do more end game content. Though getting stuck on mobs, aimed through walls, followed till the end of earth, and mobs just stand there when you go invs brings you out of the immersion the game puts you in. In the first place.

Also I understand the addition of mobs to make it more challenging, but the spawn placement of a lot of mobs hinders you from moving around defintely on confined maps like crypt, even ruins near the health shrine there are spawns next to rubble you get stuck on. Also crypt spawns that block doors and prevent you from entering leaving a situation is just not enjoyable or challenging. I think moving spawn placement as well in some locations definitely ones that see a lot of PVP activity would be more enjoyable. Also Hydras being healed off of, and seeing invs should be removed 🙂 ty for your time.

[agile rose]

i've been thinking about what if the game had a raid, where multiple teams of 3 can team up to kill 1 big boss and split loot. maybe like a special event or a map locked behind a key to enter and raid. hopefully it would be something challenging and requiring co-ordination among multiple teams

[tardy sleet]

It dropps from Lich and Elite Lich
Chances are 0.89% this item is one of the rarest to obtain

[small furnace]

The things you can craft with it, and for that matter other crafting items don't feel worth it, other than the gold bag and that's just cause we have no other options tbh. Wolf pets are expensive and rare for some reason well.

[buoyant totem]

sounds like a vibe ngl

[woven oak]

Getting shot well invis becuase LOS doesnt exist.. yeah

[wind elk]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497991/no-trading-matchmaking no trading lobbies

[blissful crane]

Please upvote my suggestion if you agree!
Hello! Just finished watching the video on the Rise and Fall of Diablo IV. I didn't know that one of the big detractors was that they didn't have a single player mode to go through D3 and 4. Technical issues with multiplay, servers, etc drove people to want to play the game solo, but they couldn't, so they left.
Dark and Darker needs a solo play also, so we can have fun, learn the game, w/o getting ganked by over geared streamers and no-lifers. 8-)
Let's get a single player mode on all the dungeons so we can have some fun!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497737/lets-avoid-div-failure-and-input-a-single-player-mode

[sharp peak]

Make Goblin merchant only drop green or higher. With new vendor options, it's pointless to gamble.

[unique locust]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488817/weapon-on-weapon-collision go vote if you agree

[plain stratus]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497994/bard-drum-tossing-needs-to-be-nerfed vote if you want to see bard drum tossing nerfed.

[charred pawn]

can we ban those website ads in trade or mute them they are so annoying

[tacit storm]

^

[brittle crane]

They can spam it with no cd LOS isnt possible smarty

[tacit storm]

The game is called dark and darker mah guy

[woven oak]

Doesnt mean it doesnt have to be dark, just different

[tacit storm]

ye damn u got me

[granite wind]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491618/trading-enhancements

[real trellis]

I would like more light in the ruins it's darker than any of the other maps lmao

Even inferno

[small furnace]

Does crafting feel worth it to anyone else? To me it just seems like a waste of time. The crafting material droprates for any of the important items are so ludicrously low, and the return on investment is just a guaranteed rarity piece of gear that you could easily find in the dungeon. Sure it has a special name... but that's all.

Like wolf pelts go for 200g each, so why would I get the wolf hunter leggings for 5 wolf pelts (1000g) when they are in-fact just just the same blue leggings with another minor stat tacked on that I could find in the dungeon and have already?

Coin pouches don't even make sense, doesn't solve the trade problem because the value of the coin pouch is 3x what it can carry, like I get that it shouldn't be ridiculously easy to get and the treasure chest at least makes sense due to the value of being able to store so much gold... but crafting just seems so bad in comparison to everything else.

[brittle crane]

Ever since rogue double jump nerf object collision has been just dumb.

[frank tide]

Nerf War maul orange zone damage. It does 30% Armor piercing + Highest Damage Weapon in game. 70% Damage for hitting a handle is way to forgiving. How does hitting a bottom part of a blade of a long sword does 60% Damage but hitting a Stick handle does 70% Damage. Literally no counter play except range when fighting against war maul. Make the Orange Zone damage be 50% - 60% making it a skill weapon incentivizing players to only hit the green zone.

[lucid vortex]

More stash space please or more stash slots I can't fucking take it my inventory is full with new mob drop loot THAT I HAVE to hold onto because I HAVE to craft those new equipments I am a loot hoarder by nature please accommodate the game for me, also more in raid inventory space soon plz.

[lucid vortex]

I personally think the lower damage zones of weapons should be completely gutted and in return the weapons should be given better movesets or even the manipulation of current movesets by allowing us to start with the second or third swing without the damage bonuses from it?

[frank tide]

I mean I wont say I disagree or agree but thats an entire rework on combat. A quick hotfix nerf would fix the ridiculous war maul damage. All Juicer Barbs use War maul since it counters all fighters and heavy pdr. sad thing is they dont even have to hit the blunt part of the weapon. They just get in your face and kill you with a stick. Might as well change the curent quarter staff to the moveset of warmaul and just add Armor piercing + 20 damage

Cuz that is warmaul gameplay rn

[lucid vortex]

Shields or longsword parry stop their combo or do they have enough impact to just keep swinging?

[frank tide]

They do but you just swing at feet

Also a really wide swing so you have to turn 90 degrees for blocking

[lucid vortex]

I know this isn't really a fix but if it is really that op wouldn't it be more op with a sprint adrenaline rush fighter as the buff ball?
Also if they are aiming for your feet can't you just jump over it since it's a wide sweep or does the animation give them enough time to adjust?

[dusk lodge]

Achilles strike should not apply on anything ranged

[lucid vortex]

I find it really easy to just space them out and trade them if they whiff, but I play solos mostly, and I know buff balling can be op but I'm wondering if it's just an issue with buff balling.

[frank tide]

You would deal a lot less damage as fighter. And Barbarian currently can get just as tanky as Fighter. Its just fighter can use a shield

[lucid vortex]

I kinda disagree it's impossible for barbs to corner/catch rogues/rangers/wizards otherwise unless they are hasted.

[frank tide]

Base Barbarian has 109 more MR than fighter making it so a Barb can soley focus on PDR. Can easily reach 70%-75% PDR with 50% MDR with no buffs

[lucid vortex]

I agree you would deal less damage per swing but with the adrenaline rush attack speed you're looking at on average an extra swing in the same time frame it takes them to make 2 swings. Although I do agree barb MR is really high and it's wizard cleric meta

[frank tide]

I mean 25% Attack speed isnt bad but I dont think it matter to much. Also what makes Barbarian so good is high health pool. Barbarian is just a currently better Fighter rn with no range

[brittle crane]

you guys are talking about end game when the AI object collusion and starting gear still needs balancing

Legit im taking a break till they fix this object collision shit, and give AI some LOS this aim and hunt auto aim is boring gameplay making everyone just want to pvp

[frank tide]

You can buy a full suit of gear of grays for like 100

[lucid vortex]

It's surprisingly effective too you can punch up against full blues because they bought blue just because of colors instead of rolls

I enjoy bossing personally. So most of my focus goes into that

[dusk lodge]

and it's impossible to run away from them otherwise

[lucid vortex]

On what character? I've even outran barbs on full tank fighter just by managing sprint well

Yeah idk. Warmaul might need to be rebalanced but I feel like the issues lie elsewhere in the meta for something like this to really be problematic. Seems like this is just a counterplay to the current meta and it's making it seem WAY better than it is

[dense junco]

OK.. cool.. i have a coin bag that holds 500g. its so tedious having to get out of it 10g each time... we should get an option to either fill gold pouches of get out a specific amount greater than 10g

[small furnace]

Question, did you farm for it fully or did you pay for ingredients, or did you buy it? If either of the latter two, how much did it cost in full?

[lucid vortex]

Drag the large coin pouch into smaller coin pouches to quick transfer, no?

[bleak dagger]

imagine having a chest full of 3000 gold and you cant do anything with because it takes hours to 'grab' it out.

[dense junco]

Bought it early at 1200g, rn troll pelts are going for 1000g+ so my guess is bags are expensive af rn

[small furnace]

Jeez, that's a lot, but yeah I guess that's a small estimate. They really ought to bump up the droprate of crafting ingredients lmao.

[dense junco]

BRUH THAT ACTUALLY WORKS

[lucid vortex]

I hope I have warmed up your heart like a good cup of hot chocolate. Welcome to paradise friend.

[dense junco]

❤️ it did.
still the gold inventory management is clunky at best

[small furnace]

It's essentially 2000 gold to save you 6 stash spaces, that's quite a lot hahahaha

[lucid vortex]

Agreed. LMAO

[dense junco]

better off buying keys or candy imo

[lucid vortex]

Tarkov players would drop like 5 million roubles for like 30 extra stash spaces so seems about right to me

[small furnace]

I agree.

@lucid vortex Can't comment on tarkov but 30 spaces is way more than 6, really think the droprates of crafting ingredients should be improved. Or at the very least the lower quality ones should, like wolf pelts and such.

[lucid vortex]

For comparison, 200k kit in tarkov is like full greens, 500k is like full purple, and 1 million is like full uniques.

[small furnace]

I've also heard that stash upgrades can be permanent in tarkov though and persist beyond wipes? If that were the case here I'd totally be onboard, but this is temporary until the game wipes again.

[lucid vortex]

That was tied to a quest, or to getting an account upgrade for literally 100+ irl dollars.

However I do agree. There needs to be more stash space. I think the main things about the large coin bags and treasure chests are that they're supposed to be useful for big trades but they're so fucking expensive by themselves you can basically trade the coin bag for a key

[hearty basin]

Give cleric a Perk where they can get parts of spell charges back by killing undead.

[lucid vortex]

I think clerics and wizards should just passively regen spell slots but spells should have their own individual cooldowns.
Thoughts?

[small furnace]

Yeah the coinbag is worth 2000 so it's basically useless in trade as a for-value trade item. Not to mention the chests which will probably be like 5000 at a bare minimum.

I have a problem with crafting in general though. Like the value of crafted items is totally wack.
"Wolf Hunter Leggings" Are just blue quality heavy leggings but with one minor stat added onto them. Is that really worth 1000 gold when those leggings with good stats usually go for like 100-200 nowadays.

[hearty basin]

I second this. However. I think Wizard should still get its meditation and Cleric should get a unique form of it.

[lucid vortex]

No it's not worth it. But the reason wolf pelts are so high aren't because of that craft, it's because of other related crafts. I think this system will be more fleshed out in the future.

[small furnace]

Yeah I think it ought to, they should either raise the droprate of some stuff like wolf pelts, or make it so the low-ticket low-tier crafting items only take crafting materials that are cheap and widely available.

I love the idea of crafting but right now it just doesn't seem like it has a point, none of the items available for crafting are worth what you put in to craft them, except goldbags but that's only because they have no competition.

[lucid vortex]

What they should do is reduce the amount of pelts needed to craft it but then you have the issue of an ever changing market that would be completely changed by any little thing the devs do. Imagine if that craft was 1-2 pelts by comparison, well suddenly it is worth it, and the price of pelts goes even higher. Now the other crafts are fucked.

[small furnace]

I mean to be fair the wolf hunter leggings was just ONE example, basically all of the legendary items available aren't really worth it either, given the only thing you get on them is basically a guaranteed legendary with an extra stat.

[lucid vortex]

I think there should be a way to skin enemies or some similar thing like a harvesting knife, similar to a pickaxe, that allows you to harvest from each mob once. Would be weird to get a bow sling from skinning a goblin though... so I think this would need more work. Maybe higher drop rates are the solution, but now you have an inflated market in other places. Like if the crafts becomes too easy then let's say the void blade for example becomes so good that legendary longswords are now worthless. It needs fine tuning.

[small furnace]

Well, to be fair the market needs some tweaking in general.

The quality of life of trading is terrible, and the value of items right now are in the toilet.

At the moment the state of crafting is influenced by this as well, cause a decent legendary weapon with great rolls can be as low as 1000g, so why would I spent 3000+g in mats on one of the craftable legendaries when they really aren't that much better?

I do agree the market needs to be worked on, gear just doesn't sell like it used to there seems to be an inflated amount of high tier gear since the most recent patch.

[lucid vortex]

I think it's that there hasn't been any duping this wipe, people don't have a ridiculous amount of gold flooding the market, so supply is the same but demand isn't as high since nobody has the buying power.

[small furnace]

I don't think so, since they made the changes I've been FINDING much better gear as well. I think the supply is much higher than it was before with the new affix-ranges, and the expectation is for rolls to be higher given how high they can go now.

I'm not sure if they changed the rolling algorithm but a LOT of the gear I find seems to have highly desirable stats on it now with pretty decent rolls.

[lucid vortex]

That's true. I know a lot of people disagree but I'm on the this bandwagon now, I want trading to be more streamlined. I want the tarkov flea market. As much as I enjoy marketing my items myself I hate how much time it takes to do so. I'd rather just get back to playing the game but I don't want to lose out on so much gold. I think traders should allow you to sell your gear for better prices to them, rather than a legendary being worth like 50 gold to a trader... should be worth like minimum 400.

[small furnace]

For real man... I kinda want an auction house the other day I had to keep decreasing the price of a 3 agi roll cape with mostly trash rolls to the point where I honestly considered vendoring it. Didn't sell until I put at 100g. Like I don't need the money right away... but I don't wanna spend half an hour trying to find someone to buy it for 200g cause my time is not worth that.

[odd idol]

I would like to discuss about the dark swarm zone, currently there is just target zone in the map but what about adding a second target?

That way the area would close in two directions at the same time and would give more options to the players instead of forcing everyone to go to the same target area at the end of the match forcing PvP.

I think this would be a very good addition and that it would give more possibilities to the players when they want to avoid PvP for any reason.

In my opinion this would not need to happen every single game but rather a chance that happens in the game, therefore depending on the match the target areas would be 1 or 2 or even 3 sometimes.

This would change the game loop in a very positive way I think, allowing players for a more liberty on which option to take, PvP, PvE or chest farming.

[lucid vortex]

Most items have an instant sell price, but you're essentially marketing yourself so much cheaper than it's actual worth that you're just getting scammed.

[small furnace]

Trade chats also have a lot less people in them since last wipe, not to mention if you don't live in a peak timezone or you work night shift for instance you might only be peddling your wares to like 60 people at once.