suggestion-discussion

[ebon idol]

Lightning strike can be used against peeking and people camping corners I guess, but it is very niche.

[bleak dock]

a demo better than some AAA games on release

[torn orchid]

opinion thats debatable

[terse iris]

fair, for sure. We might not see more classes for a couple of playtests

[delicate kraken]

you just dont play wizard if you run lighting strike, its ok! i have 6x your playtime and gold and you still feel the need to share your opinion! gl with you games @ebon idol

[nimble condor]

can level 20s get a whitelist for vpn

[torn orchid]

you obviously havent encuntered game breaking bugs that exist

[torn orchid]

vpn for ?

[jaunty scaffold]

Do you want Chinese hackers? Because this is how you get Chinese hackers

[bleak dock]

I just love the game and want to keep playing it. even if I have to pay 5 bucks or something.

[nimble condor]

i cant play because i use vpn

[torn orchid]

why use a vpn ?

[ebon idol]

I literally don't disagree, just thinking about stuff so it can be discussed. What could a spell be used for, what could possibly be buffs/debuffs for spells.

[torn orchid]

to hide your activities ? sus persons use vpns

[jaunty scaffold]

Turn it off??

[nimble condor]

why should i have to turn it off lmao

ban the hackers

im not one of them

[jaunty scaffold]

Uhhh, Hard to do on a VPN

[terse iris]

I definitely get where you're coming from with the idea for monetization. Smaller devs have to balance funding and public appeal, tho. It's very easy for people to say 'why the hell would I pay for a demo?' and they're just as valid on that point as the devs saying, "We'd like money to improve the demo to the full game."

[torn orchid]

why cant you play on a server close to you this game has heaps of locations

are you looking for low skill lobbies ?

they dont exist

[nimble condor]

????

thats not why im using vpn

[terse iris]

Optional donations for cosmetics, especially with so many people becoming interested in the game, is probably the best way to keep goodwill and also make some money tho.

[nimble condor]

thats not how vpns work either

[limber kiln]

Please thumbs up this suggestion if you want a proper Auction House:

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[torn orchid]

care to help me understand ?

[nimble condor]

im just connected to it to mask my ip

[torn orchid]

but why ?>

[nimble condor]

its not an outrageous thing to not want your ip address public

[jaunty scaffold]

So how do you IP ban hackers then?

[torn orchid]

you realise your isp sees everything you and that your using vpns right

[ebon idol]

@nimble condor With how VPNs work, it is possible that your exit-ip was used by a hacker and is now a suspicious IP address.

[nimble condor]

you dont ig, implement anticheat

[torn orchid]

and your government can get that data regardless of vpn they are scams

[nimble condor]

cope ig

idc what government you are, theres not a fbi mf decrypting my internet data im fine

[torn orchid]

😆

[strong crane]

The 6 hour slow mode on suggestions is a bit extreme

[opaque slate]

man is contradicting himself.

[nimble condor]

how? unencrypted data vs encrypted data, one of them is alot less secure

[torn orchid]

have you heard of international cooperation for cyber security ?

[ebon idol]

Authorities in my country don't even get LTE in their buildings.

[nimble condor]

lets go im using vpn and playing

[ebon idol]

Did you have to change exit ip?

[nimble condor]

nah im just split tunneling

so everything else is on vpn except the game

[ebon idol]

Works as well

[nimble condor]

yep

[ebon idol]

Infamous suggestion. "Nerf x"

[torn orchid]

u use steam ?

data intercepted

[ebon idol]

Caltrops could do with a buff.

It is used so rarely I didn't even know the thing exists before creating a rogue.

[torn orchid]

easy to get too

[stray comet]

caltrops needs it tbh

right now it can only be "effectively" used on doors really

and it isn't really effective

[lofty haven]

Make damage based on weapont ypes like peircing slashing blunt and make it more or less effective against different armors. Also more damage over time and not instant damage base don momentum of attacks so teeny weeny pokes dont do full damage

[ebon idol]

That does sounds like a nightmare to balance.

[lofty haven]

the game needs more fuilidty or meta ing will forever curse it and with super simple stats and weapond amages it will always tilt to one thing or another

[torn orchid]

meta exists in everything amd it should

[lofty haven]

needs more skillceiling and also needs more features to balance, not just stat changes

[ebon idol]

A similar, but easier to balance idea in the same region would be buffing armor from what it is rn, but give different weapons more or less innate armor pen.

[lofty haven]

yes

armor rating should scale more thand amage

prolong fights and make them more skillbased

no one shot shit

[ebon idol]

Everyone agrees that arming sword is worse falchion.

But if Arming Sword has more Ap than the falchion, it would create more fluidity with the question "on what"

Since arming swords were made to fit into gaps in armor with their tip.

[lofty haven]

or maybe we can choose patterns pre game

and weapons colliding is like a block

so wise slashes are better at blockign but dont hit head much

[ebon idol]

Doing a parry when two hitboxes collide would be cool.

[pastel wigeon]

thank god split tunneling works now

[torn orchid]

i think see how the skills build out as your level up in training to determine some of that first

[pastel wigeon]

didnt work on my last distro and id be fumin

[lofty haven]

otherwise melee combat is just a dps race with teh occasional dodge or situational parry

[pastel wigeon]

never heard of a game straight up blocking VPNs before

[torn orchid]

vpn users mostly hackers trying to get around bans

[lofty haven]

make more features to increase skill ceiling Devs please otherwise this game will be too rigid and will end up dying cuz of metaing

[pastel wigeon]

well that's clearly why they chose to block them but it's a pretty common thing to use

[torn orchid]

if your trying to gain some sort of unfair advantage is the only reson i see people saying they use them other than big national/international corporations for there internal networks

[pastel wigeon]

yeah or to prevent local network / ISP spying

[torn orchid]

oh and china citizens who want to use banned services like google

[pastel wigeon]

increasing your ping isnt going to give you any advantage.

[torn orchid]

sp sees it all any way as it goes thru there backbones

[pastel wigeon]

no. it's encrypted.

all the way to the VPN server

the vpn provider can see it though

[torn orchid]

living under a rock

[pastel wigeon]

you're just pretending you know what you're talking about man. clueless.

[torn orchid]

ok stay naive

[pastel wigeon]

ISP sees all the traffic between me and the VPN server

but it's encrypted.

[ebon idol]

@terse iris "Give the rogue preparation time, and he can defeat the justice league"

But I like that idea actually.

[terse iris]

Batman Rogue will be an archetype, lmao

Smoke Bomb + Caltrops + Pickpocket could be such a rude combo

[ebon idol]

Don't forget the grappling hook.

[terse iris]

gotta have the grappling hook

[torn orchid]

when snakes as mobs

constrictors trap trap you

[terse iris]

new map: the poison swamp (ft designs by Hidetaka Miyazaki). It only features goblins, mosquitoes, snakes and a new kind of spider that shoots movement slowing webs at you

(this would be absolutely hellish, please don't do this)

[ebon idol]

People mad at goblin poison will love this.

[torn orchid]

even harder pve elements definately need with 0 rewards.

[ebon idol]

This will be the PvE only mode.

[torn orchid]

story mode yuk

gecko gloves for scaling walls

[ebon idol]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Isn't +magical healing already a thing. Though I heard it only applies to shrines.

[azure sky]

i looked throught the stats in the class tab, i did not find anything that mentions magical healing.

if there is, i might be blind

[ebon idol]

It isn't a stat in the class tab, but I do have items that have it as an extra stat.

[azure sky]

well yea, but i'd like to see it in the stat section

makes making a loadout for cleric way easier

[ebon idol]

More clear stat screens and seeing what it does is a suggestion as well.

As a cleric main, I also want to say that I am adamant spellpower does increase your healing.

But I never really looked at the numbers.

[azure sky]

i looked through both the game and through the wiki, i could not find any mention that it does. i think it does too based on experience, but i'd really like there to be clarity in game

[ebon idol]

Agreed

[pastel wigeon]

I assumed it applied to potions but I never tried it. Since physical healing is for bandages, right?

shrug

[ebon idol]

Good question. An answer to that would be great.

Also, if +magical healing applies to heals that apply to you, or heals that you dish out?

[azure sky]

also a little nit pick of mine, does debuff and buff duration affect buffs on you, or buffs from spells you cast on teammates

[ebon idol]

Like casting ignite on a warrior, the damage of ignite depends on their spell power rather than the wizards power.

[ebon idol]

The cleric ability "Protection from Evil" suggests it is stuff on you.

Not the debuffs you dish out.

[azure sky]

I do hope they clarify a bit more eventually, but thanks for the answers

[rose sandal]

I was browsing suggestions and it looks like suggestions for some sort of matchmaking are more often downvoted. Anyone have any argumentation as to why the game shouldn't attempt to put players of similar skill together in the same matches?

[pastel wigeon]

Because skill isn't the only factor. Gear plays a major role in the outcome of a fight.

How do you factor that into matchmaking along with skill?

What happens when you lose all your gear and your rating is high?

[rose sandal]

Fair point, I assume you start losing a lot and your raiting goes down, but that seems lame.

However, even suggestions saying match based on gear were getting downvoted a lot.

[ebon idol]

Because why would you take your time to collect and risk gear if it is going to be even anyway?

[rose brook]

.top

[ebon idol]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Interesting idea. But you would have to account for people spamming block all the time in that case.

Two fighters dancing trying to catch your attack for a free counter could be a problem.

[crystal mountain]

I think that there shouldn’t be a movement speed increase when you take off clothes

[ebon idol]

So equipped armours should not slow you down?

Because you don't get a speed increase from taking your pants off, you are getting less speed decrease.

[crystal mountain]

Maybe just base gear. Also, the armor should be more powerful then

[ebon idol]

I do think that taking off equipment should take time though.

People running away dropping their pants feels weird.

[rose sandal]

I think the answer to that is so that you can defeat other players of your level of capability. The same reason adults don't compete against children in activities.

[keen elm]

Is there a chance that trading with people will be more like auction house than current chat spamming?

[ebon idol]

But gear doesn't mean they have the same skill, they can be much better or much worse than me.

And I can have the same experience on lower tier gear as well.

[rose sandal]

That's a positive thing, even people at lower tier gear should be able to have a fun, "fairish" experience.

[ebon idol]

Maybe. It has been suggested a lot.

But the loot part is very important for the game cycle I think.

[azure sky]

Lower tier gear people should try to run and hide more, from my experience, the lower tier gear people (who usually also are less good at the game) just charge at everyone

[ebon idol]

I would personally only play on green level probably.

And what with loot?

[keen elm]

Albion is a good example that have a great game cycle with auction houses

[ebon idol]

Does everyone have the same chances at it?

Albion is a game about jumping people the second they enter a pvp zone.

[rose sandal]

Lower tier gear new people should be able to have fun and enjoy the entire experience, and not just run from everyone. Fighting people is fun when it's "fairish"

[keen elm]

DnD is not about killing people for loot too? 😄

[azure sky]

If i were lower tier, id just get 150 worth of gold and gtfo.
Get some basic gear and just build up

Doesnt take that long to build up a good set

[ebon idol]

Loot is the important part. Would you get the same loot in a green lobby you would get in a violet lobby?

We already have low roller vs high roller.

[rose sandal]

I'd say the game should adjust the loot for the skill level

[keen elm]

I find outplaying high gear guy when i am at white/green more fun than running violets 1/2 shooting everyone that is just unskilled

[ebon idol]

And with skill level, you mean lobby loot colour.

Or how someone has put it before me: "Please don't, I love running into a purple geared player who is having a bad day."

[rose sandal]

It depends how a skill or power estimationg system could be implmented. There are four factors right now: Player skill, gear power, character level, and party size.

[paper field]

they gotta add bigger gold bags

my gold is covering like half my stash

[ebon idol]

Finding a way balance all those things is the tricky part.

But also, I think you should be able to use your advantages you worked for.

[spice skiff]

its not that tricky

[keen elm]

True that, or just buy another stash slot

[paper field]

can you do that?

[ebon idol]

I was killed by full blue/purple people as much as the other person.

But if you get the kill on them in green white gear, it is such a feelsgood moment.

[keen elm]

No but I just say, that Devs could add it 😄

[paper field]

yeah they could

[rose sandal]

I agree it does feel good, and I'm not saying the game couldn't have a wide power range, but I am saying that the devs should make an effort to restrict the power range somewhat

[ebon idol]

Sorry, I just don't see it in the game personally. But that is just my opinion.

[pastel wigeon]

let chaos reign

[muted locust]

@crimson finch There's already a grade above legendary

Which is the unique grade

[spice skiff]

we need hot key spells

[muted locust]

Every unique gear/weapon has a name of their own

[crimson finch]

ohhhh

thanks i didnt know that

i appreciate that

[muted locust]

So references from different cultures will be added into the pool of unique weapons

np!

[crimson finch]

thats nice im glad

im guessing its only found in high rollers?

[muted locust]

Not really

The goblin merchant has a really low % drop rate

but it's extremely low

[crimson finch]

i see

thanks for the info mate

[muted locust]

I guess that in the future when every weapon obtains new designs, unique weapons will resemble the cultures they're representing

[ebon idol]

Named items are really busted.

[muted locust]

i.e nordic axes and all that

[ebon idol]

I wonder how they would fit in "match based on loot" thing.

[crimson finch]

yea i would love to see that it would be amazing

[ebon idol]

Wanted to make a suggestion about giving us the option of viewing stats with equipped weapon on the stat menu in tavern table, but if they add a training room that would be fixed anyway.

[prisma lynx]

This suggestion will ruin the market and make every lobby be overly geared over time. It makes it way to easy to just buy gear and ruins the trading experience with bartering etc...
I think everyone should reconsider their upvote.
And consider down voting it.
We don't want the game to become buy gear go in simulator and lose all value to high tier gear.
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[deep jacinth]

Why would we want an auction house though

[prisma lynx]

We don't I am saying we should down vote it

[deep jacinth]

Ah

[keen elm]

to not sit 30 mins spamming items to sell/buy lol

[rose sandal]

So you can play the game instead of bartering?

[deep jacinth]

Yes sir

Yeah I'd love to have some Venezuelan gold farmers juicing the people who pay them cash

[ebon idol]

Very powerful gear is sold very cheap because people can't be assed to sell it for longer than 10 minutes.

An auction house would make more powerful gear more valuable I think.

[prisma lynx]

You can play the game without bartering. It is the time and difficulty getting good gear that makes it valuable. If you can just buy it overtime it becomes worthless like in tarkov

Also gear stockpiles overtime instead of being lost like in DaD now

[deep jacinth]

Wouldnt that put more of it in supply decreasing the value of items

[ebon idol]

I would like to have a test and see how it would turn out.

[pastel wigeon]

@flint marsh what's wrong with it?

[deep jacinth]

Well technically not more in supply

[rose sandal]

So people buy cheap gear and then lose it?

[deep jacinth]

But make more readily available

More items are coming in than leaving

The gear traded in pvp is still around just switching hands

[ebon idol]

Well, atm most of the loot lost in PvP is actually lost.

There isn't an insurance system like in Tarkov.

If your stuff isn't looted, it is actually gone.

[deep jacinth]

Not the pog items

[ebon idol]

The pog items not, but the rest of the gear.

And then it gets sold on the market again.

[deep jacinth]

Why would people not loot the insane gear over shitty treasures it's worth more gold than the treasures are

Even decent gear is worth more than treasures

[ebon idol]

What I mean is you can't take the loot of 15 people in your lobby.

[prisma lynx]

If you have ever played tarkov you know that a market like that simply makes the gameplay loot buy gear go in over and over. We don't want that. How it is now makes getting gear more difficult and random increasing variety of builds and allowing for less meta geared lobbies

[flint marsh]

its very buggy, hits don't render some of the time and you dont do damage to the enemy, crossbows sometimes when you shoot it doest shoot the bolt and you have to shot the crossbow again, blocking is super buggy and most of the time it goes through ur block and does full damage, you get one tap from a bow with full metal armor

[ebon idol]

If only one group gets out, a lot of gear is lost.

[deep jacinth]

You can take like at least 3-6 people's weapons

[pastel wigeon]

hit detection is precise

you probably actually missed

[ebon idol]

I didn't talk about weapons, I talk about all gear they have. A lot of it will be lost.

[pastel wigeon]

the crossbow bug is annoying

[rose sandal]

besides wouldn't an auction house help discover the correct value of items?

[deep jacinth]

Hm

[flint marsh]

me and my friend had to hit a cleric with common cloth armor 3 times each

i dont think i missed we both had green longswords

he tanked 6 hits

[magic depot]

Seasons! Like in Diablo or Path of Exile. All gear gets transferred to "standard" at the end. Each season brings new mobs and special types of gear

[ebon idol]

I don't know if a auction house would actually improve the prices of good gear or not.

[rose sandal]

I think for a game like this there should be frequent total resets

[deep jacinth]

I still think more gear is coming into the game than leaving it at least if it's desirable

[pastel wigeon]

resets/seasons are already confirmed arent they

[ebon idol]

But I know I get good loot dirt cheap because people just want it gone.

[deep jacinth]

Maybe that's wrong though

[magic depot]

interesting

[deep jacinth]

People also don't know what they're doing it's the wild west

[pastel wigeon]

devs know whats up

[deep jacinth]

Also stashes are limited

[magic depot]

devs seem keyed in

[pastel wigeon]

ye

[ebon idol]

Limited stash isn't a bad thing atm.

[deep jacinth]

Of course not

But that'd be a reason why people would just chuck it

[mighty willow]

@wooden ridge make only one suggestion a time please

[deep jacinth]

As well

Idk you're always going to have that

[ebon idol]

I think having only 1-2 backup gears is the optimal amount so people actually sell good loot they get from runs.

[deep jacinth]

That's why flippers exist in every game

People are going to sell low to sell fast and buy fast to get it fast and vise versa

[ebon idol]

An auctionhouse would eliminate the middle man. If that would be good or bad for the game, i can't say.

But it could be worth a try.

[deep jacinth]

I want to say really bad

Played games with them and auction houses have plenty of issues

[ebon idol]

I wish we could get a playtest with auction house just to see how it goes.

[deep jacinth]

Ngl that'd make me sad

I like this system

It could be improve though

I also like wiping of stashes every week or so

[ebon idol]

A filter for stats, for example.

Every other week seems a bit extreme.

Also doing something against people trying to scam.

Like trade rep.

[keen elm]

By the way, if trading system stays as it is, then there will be sites like d2jsp for diablo2

[deep jacinth]

People already acrew thousands at the top

In just a week

Imagine what happens if they get a whole month

[rose sandal]

You have to consider that there are casual players that also want to enjoy the game. They don't want their stashes reset so often.

[deep jacinth]

I would not be surprised if the richest players have over 100k

That's true but which would be worse having to compete with people who play all the time

Have an insane stash and pretty much near unlimited resources to buy gear you can't reasonably play against

No matter how good you are

[thick snow]

Make progression harder. 1 week into play test and I have multiple level 20’s and too much legend gear to deal with

[deep jacinth]

Let alone as a casual

[rose sandal]

I've already given my opinion about implementing some sort of match making based on calculated power levels

[deep jacinth]

I agree with that

[pseudo sky]

Yup

[deep jacinth]

People down voted it hard though

Lol

[rose sandal]

I can't understand it

It's like wanting a pro athlete to compete with children

[deep jacinth]

People like when they can stomp in unfair matchups

They'd rather feel superior because they had the advantage

[pastel wigeon]

well another solution would be to fix cheesing of bosses and hell mobs

[rose sandal]

That's a good aim, gloom

[pseudo sky]

That's because people want to stomp newbs, smurfing has always been popular on pvp games. But tiered matchmaking is almost universally accepted in pvp games

[deep jacinth]

Than take a fight they had to outplay someone and barely come out on top

[pastel wigeon]

and not start high roller lobbies without full players

on dead servers

people were going to town on brazil

[deep jacinth]

I like the game the way it is now but at the same time idk how this is gonna get fixed if people take the worst parts of how the game is now and crank those up to the max

Gearing makes every encounter into players who are made of paper

[pine pulsar]

would love to see something done to ice bolt so it feels like a competitive spell. that's the suggestion and feedback lol

[rose sandal]

To me the most frustrating part of the game is getting killed by another team and then inspecting their gear and seeing a huge mismatch. Once I was a fighter and got oneshot by a ranger. feelsbad man.

[pastel wigeon]

Everyone seemed to hate the suggestion of putting players from multiple lobbies into the same hell instance but I think that would be awesome

[rose brook]

Chest (Lootboxes) suggestion🎁 🎉, actually Goblin is a bit bad #d-and-d-suggestions message

[deep jacinth]

At that point I don't blame myself

The loss is inevitable at that point

I don't there's not enough room in hell imo

[sterile crest]

wow lootboxes are so cool 😮

[deep jacinth]

Am I crazy to think that

[pastel wigeon]

it doesnt have to be a lot of players

[rose sandal]

I think it would be interesting to try, but might be a bit much

[deep jacinth]

How many teams?

[ebon idol]

The goblin is aready enough gambling.

[deep jacinth]

3 maybe?

[pastel wigeon]

but the fact that you can enter hell with basically no risk of running into anyone else

its lame

[deep jacinth]

Idk

I kind of want to agree and disagree at the same time

And may e that'll change

[rose sandal]

fair

[violet galleon]

Any other rogues think that there maybe should be a counter for the stealth perk so can see when u are gonna come out of stealth so u dont take too many steps

[deep jacinth]

As more people get comfortable with going down

[sterile crest]

wow lets make this game like every other shitty modern game rn 🤔

[rose sandal]

howso?

[deep jacinth]

Lootboxes

Is probably what they were referring to

[pastel wigeon]

kek

[rose sandal]

ooo yeah no thanks

[deep jacinth]

I would pay money to not get lootboxes

How about that

[rose sandal]

Wait a sec

[rose brook]

I don't know, it seems little to many of us, besides most of the exchanges are not interesting

[rose sandal]

There are loot boxes already

You just have to open them in the dungeon and get out alive

[ebon idol]

Lol

True

[rose brook]

the ones that currently exist are quite poor

[deep jacinth]

There's no overwatch skins in there though

[sterile crest]

that's cos every lootbox is quite poor

[ebon idol]

How about a season pass.

[deep jacinth]

I want to be able to play as Shrek

[ebon idol]

100 bucks and all chests you loot have 20% more loot

[rose sandal]

How about it makes a 50% chance to have a lootbox in the lootbox

[ebon idol]

But you can only open that with a key

[deep jacinth]

Pay $20 and we will give you a set of purple armor

[ebon idol]

Which is 25 golden candy.

[keen elm]

Better make this P2P not P2W 😄

[deep jacinth]

Lol I don't think they'd do that

[pastel wigeon]

pay 2 lose everything

[rose sandal]

Pay to fail

[deep jacinth]

If this game was ever pay to win or lootboxes every where I'd immediately drop it

[pseudo sky]

Eh pay for maps and fancy skins, this is the way

[deep jacinth]

Even though I'm hooked now

I'd pay for skins though

[jaunty scaffold]

They’ve already stated that the developers came to this project because they were tired of working for companies that produced P2W titles

[deep jacinth]

Or like animations maybe

A blue fire ball would be cool instead of red

[keen elm]

Yea, make shiny skins that will glow in darkness so others poor people without skins will have advantage 😄

[ebon idol]

Seeing how the origin of the studio is "We were sick of P2W practices and wanted to make an oldschool game" I hope they won't.

[pastel wigeon]

i have faith in these korean boomers

[rose brook]

What do you think the starting price will be? I think between $5 and $20 but I'm not sure

[deep jacinth]

You can't ever trust any studio to be fair

[jaunty scaffold]

They’ve also said that the monetizations strategy would be similar to Hunt: Showdown and Dead by Daylight

[rose sandal]

Yes but they have to make money somehow, so make sure you have your good suggestions on hand

[deep jacinth]

I hate dead by daylight

[white cliff]

Cosmetics only in that case.

[rose sandal]

Hunt: Showdown is a very good game

[ebon idol]

40 bucks.

[white cliff]

Though the current skins do adjust traits still.

[deep jacinth]

And I have 1000hrs +

Lol

[ebon idol]

And then sell cosmetics.

[keen elm]

If this game will be for like 100$ I would still buy it cuz it's awesome

[white cliff]

I got burnt out recently at around 400 hours.

[deep jacinth]

Fuck dbds monetization

They never fix their damn game

Lol

[jaunty scaffold]

DbD and Hunt have fair monetization strategies. It’s more or less cosmetics only

[ebon idol]

Just 400 hours in a playtest and you are already burned out? Game has no content 0/10

[deep jacinth]

Go play civ 5 guys -some DBD dev

[pseudo sky]

Nah of it's a good game I'm happy to buy the fancy sword or helmet skin. Just so long as it doesn't effect stats go ahead and play your shiny gold skeleton lol

[deep jacinth]

Dbds cosmetics were p2w

They gave strategic advantages

[jaunty scaffold]

They also mentioned something about other playable races potentially being used for this

[keen elm]

I want to see gnome rouge that u can't hit cuz it's so small 😄

[jaunty scaffold]

I’d shell out for a Tiefling

[deep jacinth]

I'm also confused how are they going to do the skins thing

[pseudo sky]

I my God my wallet cries at a dwarf race

[rose sandal]

Some of the Hunt cosmetics blend better in the environment, but at the end of the day, anyone with a Romero can end your day, so it's all good.

[deep jacinth]

You need to see what people are eesring

Wearing

[jaunty scaffold]

I’d also go hard on Kenku

Big question is whether they do western or eastern kobolds

[rose sandal]

Alright, here's the compromise. We have some sort of mmr, but every wipe (couple of months) the mmrs get wiped as well, so the skilled players get to stomp on the casuals for the first few days, but at least at that point their gear is not also out of control.

[jaunty scaffold]

They’re usually depicted as dragon people in the west and dog people in the East. Goes back to an old British PC RPG that was extremely popular in Asia and featured dog kobolds

I’m for the dog kobolds btw

[prisma lynx]

Dragon kobolds for the win

[minor crescent]

this rubber banding is so shit

[bleak monolith]

Would love to have an auto sell treasure to the collector button

[pseudo sky]

Yes

[barren meadow]

yo enable voice chat by default so people are encouraged to talk

[pseudo sky]

Nope lol, that's how I lose my ambush advantage

[bleak monolith]

I’ve been pretty passive in my recent games

Feels better to spam crouch to a dude n he still try n kill u n u 3 shot em lol

[pseudo sky]

I use discord with my team no way I want ingame rocking

[bleak monolith]

Like I said I wanna be buds yo

[barren meadow]

I mean to turn it on by default on the options, not mandatory, just optional like now, but on

A lot of people dont even know it exists

[bleak monolith]

Anyone else have it that the merchants swap places lol I just had my weaponsmith where the treasurer was and the collector where the surgeon is

[jaunty scaffold]

I only use voip for my soundboard

Shadow wizard money gang

[bleak monolith]

Lol play a door opening and closing

N footsteps walking away

🤣

[jaunty scaffold]

Voip is a little too compressed for that, but also seems borderline cheating

Unless you throw that as an ability on Kenku

Although I think Kenku is less “classic fantasy” and more DnD specific

[lavish abyss]

It could work on a potential bard class

which seems to be a possibility given the steam desc.

[jaunty scaffold]

It’s the next class. It’s been confirmed

[fickle hound]

Its a simple idea but something I think could be cool some kind of achievement cosmetic like if youre able to kill all bosses you get a emote or special torch

[crisp finch]

Check this suggestion out #d-and-d-suggestions message 🔥 🔥

[lavish abyss]

Based on that then, assuming it's running through DND styled classes, Artificer feels like the best that is still somewhat unique

since Sorcerers and Warlocks are a bit hard (atleast for me) to make different but useful in comparison to Wizard or Cleric

[covert geyser]

Aren't they doing monk & druid after the bard?

[jaunty scaffold]

They definitely mentioned Monk and Druid was brought up as well

Im wondering if they’ll do the Lineage system and have subclasses just sorta unlock vis branches on the skill tree

They also mentioned seasonal wipes though, so subclassing might not be conducive

[pseudo sky]

Ooo druid would be cool, ide love to go clubbing....

[white cliff]

@spare pine I’m not for queue dilution I don’t think there needs to be a duo queue for both maps. Tarkov created that problem and now has 24 queues for each map, mode, etc.

Also gear risk is just part of the game, the starter kits are fine.

You can kill people up to blues with just starter gear.

Purples is where gear gap becomes an issue for sure.

[late gate]

I wonder if the Monk is just going to use fists of fury.

[white cliff]

You can already run monk really.

You just do drunken cleric.

[minor crescent]

this rubber banding is ridiculous

[jaunty scaffold]

Monks tend to have magical unarmed strikes and extremely quick movement. I imagine it will be quick like the Rogue, but have some sort of unarmored bonuses like the Barb. That’s only a wild ass guess though

[vernal spear]

I think less "Escape portals should spawn near a player" but more "They should spawn on the same LEVEL as players."

[manic fulcrum]

or a little pillar of light so you know if a portal is above/below you

[minor crescent]

or more of those gated stair exits like in goblin caves

[silent bough]

will there be multiclassing? if so will we be able to switch between classes or will we have to pay gold to switch classes instead of making a naw character anytime? if so will there be some skills and perks that we keep from other classes?

[bleak monolith]

Wow cleric just used the “pekadisaper” spell on me and immediately took me to half hp through a door

Bs

That’s broken

[late gate]

They look through the little window, just like Rangers sniping through them.

[bleak monolith]

No I was in solo

No windows

[late gate]

Oh. That's odd...

[bleak monolith]

Happened a few times now this week

They need to nerf the dmg it does to people

Half hp with one fast spell

[minor crescent]

yeah judgement is kina op for pvp

[bleak monolith]

Jeeeez

[minor crescent]

but they gotta be super close, within 4.5m i think

[ebon idol]

Also, if you walk out of range, it fails and goes on cooldown.

[minor crescent]

mmhmm

[pliant merlin]

I hope the bard class that eventually comes out is more of a squishy backliner but with great buffs. I like cleric, but I’d be cool to play a ranged support 🥺

[bleak monolith]

Bro

Just happened again cleric just used judgment on me took me to 25hp this time

Wtf

From 100 to 25 instantly

[ebon idol]

Judgement deals 35 damage.

The rest is equip.

[bleak monolith]

Tell that to the guy in full bad ass gear who used it on me just now

[ebon idol]

Give me their @ and I will inform them of the games stats as well.

[bleak monolith]

I don’t know i just spectated to see their gear n raged off

[sleek temple]

so where i can put my suggestion to the game?

[ebon idol]

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[sleek temple]

k thanks

[bleak monolith]

I was also in like full plate so my magic resistance was trash

But still that spell is op af

[languid lodge]

I feel like skeleton champion HP should be scaled down for goblin caves

[ebon idol]

Skeleton champion in goblin cave is like a mini boss.

[languid lodge]

agreed

[ebon idol]

dont challenge him until you want to die.

[languid lodge]

it really just takes super long to kill

[bleak monolith]

Especially when it can hit through doors in solo like why can judgment go through doors lol

[ebon idol]

Make a suggestion to nerf judgement.

[frigid stone]

Why should you nerf that

Im main cleric and i use that only for the memes

[wanton nymph]

yo can we get a VR port for this, that would be so dope

[ebon idol]

I mean "for the memes" is a little bit hard, but it is mainly for the slow and to finish someone when they try to hide behind doors.

And to mess up rogues who think you are easy meat.

[frigid stone]

I didnt even knee that you can use this behind a door

Thanks for the tip :))

[ebon idol]

You just need to be able to target them with your crosshair.

[white cliff]

It goes through the windows.

[ebon idol]

Which also works through doors and bars.

Yeah, only doors with windows.

[frigid stone]

So how should be nerfed ?

[ebon idol]

I don't think it should be.

[frigid stone]

I saw above something abt a nerf or change

[ebon idol]

35 damage is reasonable, 4.5 meter range, need to target the enemy with your crosshair, leaves you defenceless (you can't move) and is your only offensive spell or magic damage.

Also spell fails and goes on cooldown if you walk out of range.

[frigid stone]

Ye the dmg its fine

And the slow its not like a stun so you can handle it

[bleak monolith]

Solo doors don’t have windows

[ebon idol]

The game is an homage to the spell "sacret flame" from DnD.

[frigid stone]

Ive played a solo run and didnt find any cuz of a barb

[ebon idol]

Which is infamous for ignoring all cover.

So hiding doesn't help avoid it, only running out of range.

[frigid stone]

Very fair

[chilly narwhal]

Rogue: Please make Creep completely silent

[white cliff]

Really?

[ebon idol]

make a suggestion in #1048762118255673428

[bleak monolith]

Yup no windows to any solo door

[ebon idol]

They started chanting and then you closed the door, right?

Maybe female barb is on testo.

But I agree they should have different voicelines.

However, this is just a playtest, so no character is really customised or smth, they are just stand ins.

[wintry wind]

Honestly if this game gets character customization for hair and face, I'd be impressed.

[ebon idol]

I really hope it does.

[hushed fossil]

What stats are the best for Rogue?

[elder spear]

PVE version of the game for us old people who arent trying to NOLIFE this game and dont have tons of time to do so?

[placid sundial]

Need duo queues as well. A solo / duo / trio queue for high roller be awesome too.

[elder spear]

i cant make suggestion cause i messed up my .suggest thing

[ebon idol]

Not a suggestion, but weapon damage and agility are good, strength for damage.

[hushed fossil]

Thanks!

[wintry wind]

I've heard requests for pve modes. The main issue is just that it could flood the market? Like unless those items were flagged PVE only, which seems like an additional step.

[ebon idol]

The real problem is splitting up developing and player base.

[wintry wind]

That too.

[lusty wren]

Yes, splitting up development is a big part. In order to make this PVE stand alone would take lots of time and money

[ebon idol]

You need to devote a lot of time to make a challenging PvE experience.

Especially contentwise.

Unlike PvPvE where fighting other players is the main content.

[wintry wind]

I dunno if that's the ask here.

They already have mobs, traps, and bosses. I think the ask here is just for a solo adventure version.

'Solo'

[ebon idol]

As is, if there was a PvE mode, it would not take too much time to clear it.

[wintry wind]

I mean like an offline play

[placid sundial]

Has there been any mention of adding other queues? Duo que? And solo / duo queue for high roller?

[ebon idol]

No mentions I know of, but it has been suggested a lot.

[lusty wren]

you can solo and duo queue into them

[ebon idol]

Just don't expect to survive.

[placid sundial]

Ya, but nothing sucks more than as a solo or even a duo going against three. Makes it pretty tough.

[wintry wind]

This is the main issue IMO. It would easily be the best method of farming gear because it is fast and safe runs

[ebon idol]

Ye

[lusty wren]

How much chopping down of the playerbase is reasonable? Remember the game will likely be B2P so alot of the F2P folks who play it now wont be around. I still think the game will do fine pop wise but not if you continue to hack away at the population by segregating them

[placid sundial]

B2P?

[lusty wren]

Buy to play

[placid sundial]

Oh this game made me quit wow. Then I realized the other day its a demo and won’t be out until Q4! That was a real let down. Haha. Love this game

[cloud forum]

@signal mango throwing knife is already in the woodsmans stock, just like all other merchants, stock changes and he wont sell it 24/7

[signal mango]

Really? I and my group must have been incredibly unlucky

[wintry wind]

They're also a common drop from flying skulls

[ebon idol]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Sounds like fun. Risk reward for brining money into a dungeon.

[elder spear]

PVE/PVP Character creation. This would allow nonhardcore people to come into the game more easily. Creating different chats and different trade channels for their respected character PVE/PVP choice. This would limit the market against those who would try to flood markets with tons of items from other Character selections. A lot of people don't have the time to "No-Life" games but still want something like this to casually play. If PVE selection they can do the 4man squads (that has already been spoken about by devs) and this could be a way to introduce this. Bosses in deeper levels are tougher anyways and people wipe already on those bosses without the correct playstyle and lose tons of great gear to them so its not like it would add an "easy" mode. This PVE character selection would only allow them to join PVE raids whether its solo or even up to the 4 while still keeping the other maps with PVP running and not interfering with the PVE characters. This could potentially bring in a lot of casual gamers into this new game!

[ebon idol]

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[elder spear]

cant for 5hrs..

cause it failed

[bleak monolith]

Hey look at York von Liechtenstein!

[cloud forum]

u most likely put somehting in there u shouldnt then i guess? i justt suggested and went fine

[elder spear]

Ulrich*

[keen knoll]

more stash space when?

[elder spear]

I guess

[bleak monolith]

It’s pasta von Liechtenstein

[elder spear]

🍝

[keen knot]

is there a specific reason why they dont want the stash between characters to be shared? to make the trading more alive? cuz id love to be able to use gear that I find for other characters due to this game having very different and interesting characters

[rocky sparrow]

Suggestion: add more voice channels to the discord.

[ebon idol]

@karmic meteor There are safe extracts that are always in goblin caves.

[wintry wind]

I think it's so you can't just boost a character with your 'Main' but really all you need is a friend to act as the in-between. I think having an unshared stash is an outdated thing.

[ebon idol]

You can escape over the stairs that you can see on the map.

Two stairs + 3 or 4 portals spawning.

[karmic meteor]

I saw one guy take the stairs earlier and then it closed behind him with a rockslide

I didn't know that was a thing

[ebon idol]

Yeah, like every extract, only one person can take it.

[karmic meteor]

but it sucks when you kill half the lobby and can't get out

makes me rage way more than getting rickrolled myself

how do you open the stairs, or is it just time based?

[ebon idol]

They open after a time

[karmic meteor]

makes sense

I remember looking for the lever on the gate before and being confused

where are the second stairs, the first one is by the healing shrine that I know of

[ebon idol]

Also, in the last circle when it gets really small, there was always an exit portal spawning.

[karmic meteor]

it must have been above or below or something

[ebon idol]

I haven't played solo in a while so I don't know if that is still the case.

Yeah, you can't be sure what level it spawns on, that is a bit frustrating.

[karmic meteor]

no real verticality in the forgotten castle

makes finding them easier

[ebon idol]

True

[granite plinth]

how did adding a proper tutorial get that many thumbs downs?

[karmic meteor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

seems reasonable to me

[granite plinth]

Funky

Wacky, even

[karmic meteor]

some weird wacky stuff

[granite plinth]

One might even describe it as odd

[karmic meteor]

curious even

[viral nymph]

I think since its a 3 day weekend the playtest should be extended specifically for me because i have work off ty

[granite plinth]

Oh is this beta a temporary thing?

[ebon idol]

Yes

Until 16.

[granite plinth]

Neat

[karmic meteor]

not a beta technically, but yeah

we still in alpha and this shit is lit

[granite plinth]

The difficulty curve of starting in hard instead of normal, stacking with the fact that you can spawn in a room with enemies/get little to no breathing room at the start is not for me

[karmic meteor]

this is by no means the final iteration either, last playtest they had everyone starting in their own little spawn room attached at the edges of the map

but those were easy to go ambush

[ebon idol]

@granite plinth The current "first floor" is actually the second floor.

[karmic meteor]

because you knew exactly where they could spawn

[ebon idol]

So it will be easier when the game comes out.

[granite plinth]

Ye ik, just doesn't feel good to play right now (obv, you're starting way harder than you should be)

[karmic meteor]

afaik only a couple spawn have immediate enemies on you, and they have a healing shrine right next to them

[ebon idol]

I think once you learn the enemies you will see that the only thing dangerous are the champions, and even they can be cheesed.

And other players, they are also very dangerous.

[karmic meteor]

yeah anything with elevation can cheese the boss mobs

just crouch below the wraith with a spear on some stairs and it's the easiest kill you'll get

[ebon idol]

The thing that "feels off" about this game i think is the inverted difficulty curve. The game gets easier the more you progress in it, instead of having a rising difficulty like other games.

[karmic meteor]

I had never though of it like that

but I'd say I was a fan of the inverted difficulty curve

I knew I could be doing better

[ebon idol]

Me too.

I don't think it is bad.

[karmic meteor]

and that made me strive to get better

[granite plinth]

I had the complete opposite reaction, I felt overly punished, pushing me to quit

[sinful dock]

Hard agree with this. Not all players enjoy PvP. Not all players enjoy only PvE. Personally, I have a ton of fun just running through and exploring thee maps with friends and killing some of the more difficult encounters. But having that experience abruptly ended by a random Barbarian cleaving my skull or an Archer headshotting me out of nowhere honestly ruins the experience (for me) most of the time. Game has an extraordinary amount of potential for both PvPers and PvEers. Let the PvPers hunt each other down and sharpen each other's skills. Let the PvEers explore, take on bosses, and play casually. Forced PvP isn't enjoyable for everyone.

[covert geyser]

"Increase the movementspeed penalty and equip speed of bows as a whole. It is next to impossible for most classes outside of Rogue to catch a Ranger that has more then 3 braincells. The amount of kiting they have makes the fights almost entirely onesided, especially in Solo dungeons, but even more so in the normal dungeons. Rangers should be punished for being out of position, but that currently just does not happen. Once they put their bow away, you simply will not catch them unless you yourself are a ranger or a Rogue"

this suggestion aggravates me,he's acting as if not every class can use some sort of range

[ebon idol]

Cleric has no range. But yeah.

[granite plinth]

Massive agree, as someone with no party, defeating a hard encounter only to get ganked sucks

[covert geyser]

plus,obviously the more agile classes are gonna be faster it's common sense,not unbalance lmao

[covert geyser]

oops forgot clerics existed ngl

[ebon idol]

Also, you can always drop your pants.

[granite plinth]

Sorry?

[covert geyser]

yeah just get nakey

[granite plinth]

Elaborate?

[ebon idol]

You can instanly take off armor like pants and plate to run faster.

just go into the inventory and right click.

It is pretty funny because due to how the curser spawns in menu, the next best item they will take off is always pants.

Leading to people following you or running away look like they drop their pants and run away.

[granite plinth]

This could just be me but if I have to take off my pants to survive an encounter with a ranger (wether that be to have enough speed to kill him or to run away) I'm not gonna like fighting ranger

Then again I have never pvpd a ranger so I dunno how big their speed advantage actually is

[ebon idol]

If the ranger is running away, you are not surviving them, you are running them down.

[granite plinth]

Yeah but fiddling with menus to fight something always ticked me off

That's why I wasn't the fondest of ds3 pvp

[ebon idol]

It is a skill strat. Like dodging attacks by looking up or crouching.

And if you meet another team while following that ranger, you will be literally be caught with your pants down.

[granite plinth]

I understand that, but it's the kind of skill strat that us annoying to have to do (at least imo)

[ebon idol]

Because equipping items is not instant.

[granite plinth]

Is*

[ebon idol]

You don't have to do it, but if you don't you have to accept that the ranger isn't in full plate and runs faster than you.

He is supposed to run faster.

[queen panther]

Wizard hat should not get less magic res than other hats. Bring it up to 10!

[ebon idol]

#1048762118255673428

[granite plinth]

Seems I will either be annoyed that I have to take my pants off or annoyed that I can't catch the ranger

Guess I'll just get godly with throwing axes/daggers/what have you

[ebon idol]

Throwing axes and daggers are really good.

You should train them.

However, as a cleric, I can tell you, you don't have to follow the ranger.

[granite plinth]

Do those things get headshot multipliers?

[ebon idol]

Yes

[granite plinth]

Nice

[ebon idol]

Throwing Knife also interact with all rogue skills.

I am not sure if throwing axe counts as an axe for barb.

🤔

[granite plinth]

What even is the damage on throwing axes

[frail sun]

Give us a teaming report. Been 6v3 in three of our matches so far.

[ebon idol]

Teaming is not forbidden.

If anything, adding a voip to the game shows that teaming is something the devs are ok with.

After all they gave tools to make it easier.

[granite plinth]

If teaming is forbidden, call me a hardened criminal

Though I can see that being frustrating

[ebon idol]

Wiggle and crouch, fiendship will find you.

Of course, however teaming is a gamble, as extracts are limited and you can never fully trust another team.

Or other solo players

Rogue for example has a pickpocket skill. Team with them in solo and they could be robbing you blind whenever you are interacting with a door, exit etc.

[covert storm]

What about a small 3 step retreat for rangers to break the stab me to deaht chain of rogues?

like a "jump back"

[ebon idol]

If you get jumped by a rogue, you are dead. That is what rogues are for.

They have little other skills.

Don't take this away from them.

[smoky girder]

^^^^

[twin delta]

rangers get the hearing perk

that's your counter to rogues

[ebon idol]

Yeah, if you didn't hear it or see it coming, they got you mate.

You also have the footsteps perk to see steps, which is god tier for finding invisible rogues.

[twin delta]

you can hear a rogue with the sneaking skills from the next hallway or room away

[ebon idol]

Ranger already has a lot of counters for rogues.

[covert storm]

oh i completely blinded out the "footsteps"

[twin delta]

and yeah, tracking is for seeing invisible rogues too

[granite plinth]

From my experience rogue damage is shit, is this just because we start on hard?

[ebon idol]

It is because your starting weapon is really bad.

Like, incredibly so as a rogue.

[twin delta]

it's because you do start on hard, and to make it not broken when they spec full murderhobo

once they get a second knife, or a replacement for that knife their dps triples

it's a bit disgusting

[granite plinth]

Ah, good to know, had to stab a zombie like 30 times

[twin delta]

zombies have like 300 health

[ebon idol]

Ambush (+50% when you come out of stealth) Backstab (+30% damage when you attack the back) and Weakpoint (+50% armor penetration) can melt people really fast.

[twin delta]

that's how it feels at least

'cause it takes 3 holy purifications to kill a zombie outright

by comparison skeletons have about 130

[ebon idol]

It takes about 6 swings with my trusty mace to kill them with a headshot, which deals about 40 damage on the puppet.

[twin delta]

so like 125

[ebon idol]

With trusty, I mean rusty.

[twin delta]

225 on a zombie makes sense

headshots i'm assuming

'cause they're zombies

[ebon idol]

Yeah, they do be burping.

[granite plinth]

Dunno why they decided to start with hard

[ebon idol]

Being able to dodge cave troll by looking on the ground seems like a bug.

[lusty wren]

They didnt, they said likely B1 will have current B2 Difficulty

[granite plinth]

That is way too hard for a solo que-er

[lusty wren]

I disagree, current pve is pretty trivial once you learn the mechanics of the game

[white cliff]

All you really need is one successful run and you can buy weapons to help you clear mobs faster.

[twin delta]

... wait none of my suggestions have been added to the channel since the 11th

what?

[white cliff]

At the start of each wipe I usually buy a ton of white maces and grey/white spellbooks.

[ebon idol]

Or just find a white or green weapon.

In a chest or barrel.

[twin delta]

the explanation for current difficulty was we were starting on B2 of the dungeon, and that B1 would be introduced later

they didn't say the difficulty would be adjusted that B1 is basically B2 levels of hard

i'd say that B1 would be closer to goblin caves

[lusty wren]

Read the first QA

[twin delta]

y'mean the one from before all the playtesting?

[lusty wren]

I believe that is where that statement comes from

no

[twin delta]

the one on steam?

or one on discord

[lusty wren]

It was either in the one on discord, or the pestily interview In december I cant remember

But they 100% said the difficulty will likely be that of b2

IIRC it was around the time they said B3 bosses are supposed to be on B2

"I can say that I am thinking about the 3 layers I think the difficulty of the first floor will be similar to the current B2.."

[ebon idol]

2b or not 2b

[lusty wren]

Looks like it was the most recent qa

[granite plinth]

Getting hit feels a bit too punishing, I get that it's easy to dodge and weave, but as a human ima make mistakes, just don't want those mistakes to take half my health bar

[ebon idol]

To be honest B2 pve is really doable.

You will take an l three or four times to normal enemies, and maybe three or four times to champions.

And then it will be mainly mis-kiting and being pushed by the border/other players when you die to pve.

[bleak monolith]

If you are doing solo just be friendly to people to get the best pvp feeling when they attack you and you demolish them lol just did a game where I literally saved a dude and gave him a good bandy and he tried to kill me
On that note I saw in the lil update thing “karma” what’s that n where do I see it

[ebon idol]

Karma is a thing where you can vote for your mates being good or bad. It will eventually make their name red or blue in the lobby, telling others that they are rude or perhaps even team killers.

Whereas blue mates are team players.

It is of no concern in solo for example.

@lean wren #report-a-bug

[granite plinth]

Idk man, enemies feel tanky, punishing, and overall not fun to fight if you aren't already kitted

[lofty temple]

anyone want to buy or play cristal sword it need to be up probably lol

[granite plinth]

This is not the chat to do that

[lofty temple]

i love trade for 2hour its funny lol

[lofty temple]

oh thanks

but it can work for suggestion discussion

imagine you can tell how sword can be good if it can. or discuss about this sword

[granite plinth]

I have no idea what you're saying, that English is broken

[onyx timber]

in solo is it better to target Cleric or Wiz first

[lofty temple]

what map

[onyx timber]

3s

castle

i am rouge

[lofty temple]

between the two I would say wizard but survival will be hard

[placid shoal]

maybe give bows an accuracy penalty when moving while crossbows have none or minimal

[white cliff]

Wizard I’d say

[pallid glacier]

Suggestion: Pointing the oil lantern at a player should obstruct their vision

[ebon idol]

Just pointing at them?

[crimson cairn]

They doinbg another playtest after this one? If so, when?

[pallid glacier]

Yeah, like when you raise it up.

[broken wasp]

A kick mechanic

[frail pasture]

make the playtest permanent :p

would be a waste of the hype if they close it now

[bleak monolith]

When demo over?

[granite plinth]

pretty sure the 16th

[graceful frost]

as much as I want that, not the case. well at least we have 100k players this playtest and a peak of like 70k last playtest, the hype is very much still real even if playtest ending

[sonic saffron]

@onyx timber i mean... in solos u shouldnt be having to fight 2 ppl at at time but .. yeah,.. i was thinking maybe they could put a debuff.. so after like 1minute of being near another person in super close proximity both your dmg gets reduced to 1 so you cant team effectively.. then again ive seen fights take over 1 minute so i really dunno any thoughts/ideas on how to keep people from teaming up in solos...??

[mighty willow]

only good way i see is to enforce it, but they probably dont have the staff for that, especially not while the playtests

[tardy sun]

There's also the risk that the incredibly judgmental gaming community could go insane over some minor things they 'd need to sort out first. It seems they're taking their time because they want it to be right. Though, I bet we will get early access within a couple of months. Totally guessing here. They did say they want to have the bard out when they release it so maybe there will be one more playtest?

[sonic saffron]

ahh well i heard (not sure if its true..) early access is in april so probably no more tests after this one

[west cloak]

Late April early may

Is the estimated time for an alpha

[versed siren]

I hope rogue caltrops and smoke bomb get reworked. Right now they feel so weak and minor utility that I cant imagine using them instead of Hide and one of the damaged skills

[tepid spoke]

yeah

[granite plinth]

yeah i've had it, this game feels boarderline unplayable if you're solo. between spawns that ream you right out the gate, ganking, and overall lack of enjoyment, i genuinely doubt i can stomach this shit until pvp/pve que gets added, if it gets added

[west lotus]

question for you guys, is the devs intention for solos to team for pvp content in goblin caves?

[lusty wren]

i wouldnt hold my breathe for a pve mode

[granite plinth]

in that case, see yall never, you would have to pay me to play this

[glad jetty]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

So what do you guys think about this ^

[dawn raptor]

Seen it suggested many times. But yeah that would be nice.

[normal robin]

Idk, for now I guess, don't have parkinsons

[glad jetty]

Did you try diss me with the “don’t have parkinsons” or I just don’t get what parkinsons have to do with any of this?

[dawn raptor]

Did they already patch it? It seems easier

i just picked up some bracelets

[opaque slate]

i think shaking your mouse around and spamming the key actually works tho

[normal robin]

seems easy to me

[glad jetty]

Or maybe just up the hit box so you don’t have to torture your F button 🗿

[opaque slate]

skill issue?

[normal robin]

Search up what parkinsons is, I made a satirical comment lol

[opaque slate]

[glad jetty]

I mean you prob don’t have time to loot anything because you die to a gray set barb 🤷‍♂️

[glad jetty]

I know what it is dw

I just don’t know why you had to put it in there

[normal robin]

You just dissed me by saying I was bad? Low hit. I am bad.

[glad jetty]

I mean I wouldn’t know if you’re bad

[normal robin]

Aight you're a waste of my time

[glad jetty]

Just making satirical comment

[glad jetty]

Then why you answering me 🗿?

[normal robin]

Shit, good point

Idk, felt a need to i guess

[glad jetty]

Back to it lmao

Fair enough

[onyx timber]

@sonic saffron i do the group game mode because i do not like goblin cave but i solo Q

[glad jetty]

Is it just me or does the goblin map have hella good loot drops from mobs?

[muted beacon]

not every enemy needs to have a red version

[normal robin]

Oh yh, and it's also (for me) easier to get out of

[glad jetty]

I tend to get hella purples and blues of of the goblins

[normal robin]

I think it's more cus there's so many of them

[glad jetty]

Why you still on it…

[glad jetty]

I’m talking just like higher loot drops or something

Just because it’s solo

[normal robin]

The game says that it's similar drop rates to the Castle

[onyx timber]

how much can a green kris dagger sell for with +4 Phy Power

[glad jetty]

So it makes surviving to pve harder or sum

[glad jetty]

Damn

[normal robin]

Idk, i'm not a game dev lol

Well

[glad jetty]

Quite lot

[glad jetty]

I figured

[glad jetty]

Maybe even up to 100 but doubt it because kriss dagger no one really buys

Grammar 100/100 ^

[sonic saffron]

@onyx timber ive done solo in both (because a couple times even though being in a group it sent me alone.) i dont mind the caves except those slow debuff flying bugs

[frozen gulch]

Anyone else feel like Rogue's starting dagger is a little under tuned?

[median owl]

#d-and-d-suggestions message vote if you like it or not just repeating it after a while so it does not get forgotten

[frozen gulch]

14 damage is just a bit too low...

[west lotus]

question for you guys, is the devs intention for solos to team for pvp content in goblin caves?

[scenic kettle]

yeah i agree it is a bit low

but i guess the game is a party game

[hybrid marlin]

I'd say since they added voip they also encouraged the communication and teaming up in solo, if the players want to, who's to say one wont backstab the other for last portal, part of the risk

[scenic kettle]

they kinda expect you to go with a group to forgotten castle

if you go by your self ur intentionally making it harder

[scenic kettle]

yeah

kinda what eldryia said they knew people would team with the addition of voip

[west lotus]

fair, so they're okay with 3v1 pvp combat in solos?

[scenic kettle]

yeah

[stuck perch]

What do people think if the duration of the rogue's abilities were influenced by resourcefulness?

[scenic kettle]

there are still limited portals

you cant just team in goblin caves and find out there are 2 portals left

but 4 of u

[cobalt obsidian]

They need to expand on the solo map. That shit is so boring after running it for any amount of time. All looks the exact same.

[scenic kettle]

it just got included

there will prolly be different layouts

[cobalt obsidian]

yeah it did.

[scenic kettle]

when the game comes out

early acess

[cobalt obsidian]

And its already stale.

[scenic kettle]

well the game is suppose to be like tarkov

where the map is the same

and rewards you for learning the map

but they have different layouts

that change rooms

[cobalt obsidian]

Its not that the map stays the same its that the entire cave looks the same

[scenic kettle]

oh

[cobalt obsidian]

there is no diversity of color...... locale...

[lusty wren]

This is what happens when people cry about wanting solos. You get a half baked dungeon for it that took 2 weeks of dev time 😄

[cobalt obsidian]

its boring as fk

[scenic kettle]

well it is a cave

it was made in 2 weeks

cut them some slack

[cobalt obsidian]

what?

[scenic kettle]

it will prolly look better when early acess rolls around

[cobalt obsidian]

how do you know thats two weeks

[lusty wren]

They stated it specifically

[scenic kettle]

because they said so

?

its a asian company

[cobalt obsidian]

Why are you questioning me like im supposed to know everything the dev has said

?

[scenic kettle]

they take new years very seriously

[lusty wren]

You notice the "experimental" tag on it?

[cobalt obsidian]

Thanks for the info though

[scenic kettle]

it will prolly look better upcoming

[cobalt obsidian]

Yeah the two weeks would make sense

[scenic kettle]

when it comes out

as for teaming it isnt a issue

people wanted solo

people wanted voip

thats what happens when u get both

people are gonna team

[sonic saffron]

people team without voice..

[cobalt obsidian]

Did the devs ever give a reason for limiting the supply of meds one can buy?

I think im just gonna do one with no meds.

[last vortex]

Well the feedback could still help. They could do things like add crystalline areas and other visual changes to it, it did feel a little small too. Not sure if anyone else has had the problem but I've had naked players just run around the map shortly after spawn bringing their horde of enemies to a nother players spawn location (mainly an issue as the play test has gone on in length) . Team players also take a risk of being betrayed too so there is that if it makes you feel even slightly better about it.

[scenic kettle]

thats fine as well

[lusty wren]

Think they saw everyone taking in 3 stacks of potions and 3 stacks of bandies and though it was to much 😄

[scenic kettle]

well yeah i dont think the goblin caves are perfect, it obviously needs tweaks im just saying to cut them some slack they only had 2 weeks

it will prolly look better when early acess rolls around

[last vortex]

Yeah no that is 100% fair, I've seen worse made in MUCH more time lol.

[scenic kettle]

they didnt really say anything, but i assume its because they didnt want people to have inf heals

and you migh thave to rely on finding them in the dungeon when they arent available in the shop

[sonic saffron]

heals drop in the dungeon? ^-* joking i kid i kid

every1 in chat would love it if the last day of the playtest only blues and purps dropped right?

[uneven vapor]

@ripe belfry i think they can

[ripe belfry]

they can what?

[fair parcel]

Hello everyone, gonna add here something most likely said elsewhere but hope to get wider view.

PvE mode, solo teams in dungons. Get used to old dungons or even try new ones without risk of getting wrecked by higher geared players.
plus gives a group of people that good ol dnd feel of just dungon diving.

Can be connected to normal pvp characters or even seprate , no issue for ether really to insure people don't abuse the system or maybe help new players gain some gear before truly going into the real pvp stuff.

[sonic saffron]

@uneven vapor they can i was being "fresh" its not a high chance xcept off of bats

[lament lava]

Steam Achievements. Right?

[uneven vapor]

nothing wrong suggestion but regarding yours i think they release early access in a month or something

[uneven vapor]

?

[ripe belfry]

WHO SAID THIS

[uneven vapor]

i think

[scenic kettle]

late april-early may

is what they said

is projected

[uneven vapor]

yeah majority of the game is done

[scenic kettle]

majority of the game is ot done

LOl

[uneven vapor]

just the fixups like the "training" tab

not majority

[scenic kettle]

they still have alot to do

[uneven vapor]

but main base of the game

the big strive

[scenic kettle]

more class more maps more mobs a new layer new training new perks new skills

[uneven vapor]

the first dungeon

[scenic kettle]

more weapons

[uneven vapor]

mechanics

weapons

sounds

the basics

is what i meant

not majority

[hybrid marlin]

There are a lot of information if you just read their #❓faq channel

[scenic kettle]

im hoping they add a new dungeon

besides

first floor

[uneven vapor]

it can also be seen as majority of the base game is done its just they need more content

like as you say dungeons]

classes

weapons

[scenic kettle]

well yeah base game is almost done

but im pretty sre they want alot for early acess

[uneven vapor]

i heard we are on floor 2 floor 1 is a forest

[scenic kettle]

hopefully new classes and skills

floor 1 isnt a forest

we dont know what it is

they said its still in concept

[uneven vapor]

someone said that idk

[scenic kettle]

in the last q and a

he said it was still in concet

concept

i think it wont be outside

im pretty sure youll see cracks of the sky

[ripe belfry]

so.. yes, the majority of the game is done. probably like 65% done

[mighty willow]

someone had that as a suggestion for a map, wasnt from the devs

[ripe belfry]

maybe 55%

[scenic kettle]

thats not majority

[ripe belfry]

HUH

[scenic kettle]

majority of the game is not done

[ripe belfry]

WHAT IS MATH

65 is the majority compared to 45 that needs to be finished

[uneven vapor]

bro

[scenic kettle]

if you mean done as in all the mechanics are made

like quests

and services

[uneven vapor]

65 +45=110

[scenic kettle]

then yeah

[ripe belfry]

im very high

im sorry lol

[scenic kettle]

well im just thinking about the stuff needed to be added

compared to what we already have

its defo not 65 percent done

[spiral spindle]

🤔

[lusty wren]

Game is no where near complete. game loop isnt even finalized.

[scenic kettle]

^

[lusty wren]

Progression lasts a couple hours. Like the game needs a ton of work still

[uneven vapor]

i mean a class compared to the entire dungeon + class system+ perk skills isnt too big

[uneven vapor]

add 40 floors 1 boss

boom

[scenic kettle]

well yeah ofc

[lament lava]

plz no ^

haha

[scenic kettle]

1 class isnt the same as a a entire dungeon

but they still need more classes

in the game

and more spells

all wizards use the same spells

[lament lava]

^ Id Be Down For Sorcerer and Bard To Be In The Mix

[uneven vapor]

the jester

[scenic kettle]

the only other magic class they actually said

[uneven vapor]

sorcerer is like mage

[scenic kettle]

was druid

[lament lava]

Darkest Dungeons Jester Agreed

[scenic kettle]

druid and bard are confirmed

they said they would add monk if they figured out how to add kicking

in the game

pretty sure paladin would be a class

[eternal kelp]

Waiting for monk

[lament lava]

Wizard is mage sorcerer is charisma based magic/ wild magic

[lusty wren]

Sorcerer was confirmed also when they said Sorcerer will be the nuker like wizard was last PT while wizard will be utility focused

[scenic kettle]

i will defo play sorcerer

i wanna cast powerful magic