suggestion-discussion

[tough oar]

idk if this game needs wipes, just more levels of difficulty. add an ultra hard mode for the sweaty leaderboard players, introduce more enemies and traps, etc

those first 5 levels are pure agony for most classes if you cant get a piggyback

[uneven vapor]

and imagine multiple welp time to get another 4 classes to level 5

@shell ridge in 3 days the demo is over there aint 5 days

[tender cave]

They extended the last one. Heck the game had over 100k people on this morning so they might do the same this time.

For a game with very little advertising… they are KILLING IT

[uneven vapor]

that was a playtest this is the demo the longer the demo longer till release it will end monday they dont advertise because the game isnt out

[tender cave]

Not really. Longer the demo, the more bugs that are found and patched.

[uneven vapor]

they did a demo to test current things and get feedback like the solo cave they take it off the market and will start working on new things they dont want to work on new things and worry about fixing pre existing bugs so it will take longer till release

[tame finch]

not how it works though. But i guess you missed the ads for Hogwarts Legacy and Elden Ring 😛

[tender cave]

Lol. In all honestly. They offer a paid 10-20 dollar version for this build until the actual game drops and GAURANTEED people pay for it

[uneven vapor]

its not a triple a game💀 they aint rich its their first game

[uneven vapor]

its prob 20+

and yeah i would buy it too

[tame finch]

Yeah was just kidding around. Also there has been quite a bit of "advertisement" on Twitch with the 100k people watching and stuff, but yeah actual advertisement is not really going to be a thing if I had to guess. Perhaps some paid streamers

[uneven vapor]

paying streamers will be cheaper than buying ads on say yt so possible but this game has enough self promotion from yters like moist cr1tikal

i saw welyn play it he has a big reach

[tame finch]

Exactly, that "should" be enough to get the word of mouth going. Also this game is not for everyone, a large ad campaign is not ideal for that.

[uneven vapor]

yeah

this game is like 40$ range when full release i say current stage 25-30

i cant wait

[tame finch]

Yeah I would say the same about 30 bucks should be a good price

Deep rock is also 30 bucks and that worked really well for them

they went a similar path

[uneven vapor]

@brisk folio fighter is a jack of all trades so ofcoure he wont be better in combat then a role meant to deal damage and take damage but be slow attacking and slow walking

[uneven vapor]

30 is a good price 40 is ok 50+ it wont be too risky for a smaller game being more expensive people wouldnt want to risk it and play it safe and buy something like cod

[tame finch]

I think anything higher than 30 is pretty risky for the player base. Slow matchmaking is what kills games like this. Especially now that they have 2 queues. Having said that I would pay 50 + in a heartbeat just to be able to play 😛

[brisk folio]

How can he be a jack of all trades if there really only one route for him to go?

[uneven vapor]

tf you want him to be a melee wizard rogue ranger and cleric?

[brisk folio]

Also I don’t think he should be better per say

[uneven vapor]

he is a melee character who can use bows

[brisk folio]

With a perk

[uneven vapor]

yea so you could go full melee melee and bow

[brisk folio]

Baseline he is a melee fighter

[uneven vapor]

yea

[lusty wren]

Perks are tools, Fighter has alot of TOOLS because they are a jack of all trades 😄

[uneven vapor]

thats what im saying

this guy complains fighter doesnt do as much as barb or has as much health

[brisk folio]

Idk either way I’m not advocating for making him better than barb str I just would like to see a little more health pool on him cause the barbs got a significant upper hand in that regard

[uneven vapor]

its because hes well rounded

barb
-EXTREME hp increase

fighter has a shield

a bow

a melee weapon

when used right a demon he is

[forest briar]

They should add pve only for the casual players

[uneven vapor]

bro

this game is based on the concept of pvp pretty much

without pvp this game would be significantly worse

[forest briar]

Cool story want a cookie

[uneven vapor]

just get better at avoiding pvp

[brisk folio]

Maybe the real issue comes from melee damage and health being the same stat tbh

[tawdry stag]

I LOVEEEE losing my epic trinket to RNG zone in goblin caves :))))))

Should prob. fix it.

[cunning obsidian]

skill issue

[tawdry stag]

real!!!!!

[forest briar]

Is it so bad to wanna have a casual experience and not have to do pvp

[uneven vapor]

Dude if you play it right you can play without pvp ive extracted multiple times by hiding a team of three walked past me

[glacial sphinx]

I think its a bad idea because the PVP game needs casual players to stay fun.

[uneven vapor]

Im a casual player and i pvp

I dont pvp but i play pvp i mean

[forest briar]

If a game requires casuals or noobs to be fun it is gonna die pretty fast

[uneven vapor]

Casuals play and get better its crazy

[glacial sphinx]

No it'll die fast if you allow 50% of the playerbase to hide in a PVE only mode and stay in their comfort zone rather than trying PVP and finding they enjoy this game like hundreds of thousands are doing now

[uneven vapor]

Thats like adding pve tarkov

[glacial sphinx]

because you'll be left with only sweats in PVP mode and longer queue times, and a lack of PVE content to truly keep people engaged for long

[uneven vapor]

After 1 hour pve would get so boring

[forest briar]

What is tarkov?

[uneven vapor]

One of The original extraction games

You go in get guns pick fights get out

Dark and darker with guns

[tawdry stag]

The original

[jagged thunder]

i think vigor came out before tarkov

[tawdry stag]

no

pretty sure it didnt

iirc

[uneven vapor]

Vigor came 3 years later

[lusty wren]

The PVE in DaD cannot stand alone. It will get boring in one play sessions. In order to create a PVE environment that would stand alone would take a huge amount of money and time.

[forest briar]

Like i said i doubt new or casual players are gonna wanna keep playing when they keep getting killed by max players

[uneven vapor]

Add level based matchmaking

Boom problem solved

My smartness is awfully scary

[tawdry stag]

Tarkov does the same thing?

Works just fine

[lusty wren]

They play tarkov 😄 Which is way more oppressive.

[tawdry stag]

Maybe PVP just isn't for you

[forest briar]

Level does not equal gear

[lusty wren]

Level means absolutely nothing in DaD

[noble stone]

I still think goblin caves should be 6-9 player. PvE focus with some PvP - its not like its hard to find players in goblin caves. 11 players is just nuts

[tawdry stag]

Im loving the 11 players tbh

Its pefect for a fast paced map

[uneven vapor]

Just make it so that levels 1s dont match with 20s

[lusty wren]

Level means absolutely nothing. So this does NOTHING

[uneven vapor]

Level means a pretty good deal

[lusty wren]

Yes noobs think this

😄

Its ok you will gain some game knowledge just keep plucking away

[noble stone]

the amount of players decides the pace, not the map layout

[regal parrot]

It means uhh like 20% damage difference plus other abilities

Thats meaningful

[tawdry stag]

Okay?

[uneven vapor]

More than 20%

[tawdry stag]

also thats not entirely true

[regal parrot]

I lowball it

[lusty wren]

Asking for a crutch helps no one. Level does not = skill. My buddy started today for this PT, at lvl 3 was wiping entire lobbies 😄

[noble stone]

Its mostly true. Sure, you could have one long corridor with 2 rooms on each end and yeah the pace would be slow asf, but thats not really what were looking at is it

[regal parrot]

Okay sure but levels can make up a tier diffy

[tawdry stag]

The map is small

And solo

[regal parrot]

Numerically its just a fact

[uneven vapor]

Like chances are a level 20 will beat a level 1 are higher than a level 1 winning not even discussing the leveling tree that will come out

[tawdry stag]

I like more players because it makes the pace of the map perfect to what I think it's intended to be.

[lusty wren]

His objective is to put more skilled players away from noobs. But lvl does not = skill so it does not get the result he is looking for.

[regal parrot]

Yes correct

[noble stone]

lemme guess you're a rogue player

[tawdry stag]

I play Rogue, Ranger, Fighter, Barbarian ;)

[regal parrot]

Doing sub level 20 in its own queue similar to league would work. Its the same idea

[uneven vapor]

Well 1 person exception doesnt make a crazy difference

[regal parrot]

League of legends keeps sub 30s aeay from 30s, nevermind rank

[lusty wren]

Its not though because lvl does not = skill

[regal parrot]

They have rune differences

[lusty wren]

😄

[tawdry stag]

That's just incorrect

[regal parrot]

Okay and a level 1 league of legends account is naturally weaker than a 30

[noble stone]

I mean the classes that want to instantly fight people instead of PvE is 75% of what you listed so that makes sense

[tawdry stag]

what

[uneven vapor]

Lvl = advantage so if a vet level 20 is in the same lobby as a freshie the level 20 is at a substantial advantage

[noble stone]

fighter, barb, rogue. none of them are particularly stellar at pve but shine in pvp, especially Gcaves

[uneven vapor]

Fighter is good pve

[tawdry stag]

Lol

[regal parrot]

To say that numerical advantage doesnt matter is silly practice

[lusty wren]

A vet making a lvl 1 will have a HUGE advantage also.

If you give people a crutch when that crutch disappears and they hit face first into this new brick wall its just gonna piss them off

[uneven vapor]

@narrow hound wizard is dog and you want it nerfed

[tawdry stag]

The vet has a skill advantage

Not a stat advantage

???

[silent viper]

lol shut up bro. PvE only would be stupid you'd never die.

also nerf barb that shit is stupid

[lusty wren]

A stat advantage is easier to overcome in DaD than a skill advantage. No need for a crutch

[tawdry stag]

Thats not the point

[uneven vapor]

Disagree

[tawdry stag]

Also I dont understand what your opinion is

[lusty wren]

It is the point actually

[noble stone]

I guess the zone doesnt have to be very rewarding. Purple drops disabled, blue drops higher rarity etc

[tawdry stag]

It makes no sense to type that

if you read my opinion

[lusty wren]

If your opinion is to segregate the community by LVL which does VERY little. Then what are you going to do about skilful players creating lvl 1s to mop up noobs?

[uneven vapor]

Blue drops is still alot sell that alot of gold pve would have to be seperate from pvp

[lusty wren]

Right now I can create a lvl 1 toon just to destroy every noob in a mode that I KNOW only noobs will be in

Makes no sense

[noble stone]

can you type that again so it makes sense

[uneven vapor]

Pvp would be an entirely seperate thing from pvp

[lusty wren]

Makes the supposed problem worse

[uneven vapor]

And get boring real quick and no one would play pve in the long run

But pve would be an awful decision for them to make

[fallen falcon]

Only acceptable PvE mode is one that let's you learn the maps/test stuff - loot found/brought in doesn't count (similar to Tarkov offline mode)

[scenic kettle]

yeah

like tarkov

where u can practice

learning the maps and shit

but there shouldnt just be a straight up pve mode

[fallen falcon]

I think anything else will be super boring and make loot less valuable

[scenic kettle]

people are trying to make a game a whole different game

its suppose to be a hardcore dungeon game

thats pvp

[uneven vapor]

Yea i like that creative type idea pve would get boring after 1 hour

[fallen falcon]

You can already be a massive rat and live pretty consistently with a small bit of effort by playing the edge of the circle, if that's what you want

[uneven vapor]

Yea i do that and sometimes get mopped sometimes come home big

[scenic kettle]

also in this case

level does not equal skill

there shouldnt be level based lobbies

or skill based lobbies

[fallen falcon]

Oh yeah, Rat gameplay is 100% valid, not knocking it 😄

[scenic kettle]

that doesnt really make any sense

[uneven vapor]

Level = advantage

[scenic kettle]

skill +advantage

[tawdry stag]

WHO CARES

Its part of the gfame

[scenic kettle]

=

[tawdry stag]

that the playhers dont have equal gear

[lusty wren]

So how do you stop me from making lvl 1s over and over to clean up the noobs?

[scenic kettle]

i can hop on a level 1 right now

[tawdry stag]

ITS literally part of the genre

[scenic kettle]

and kill someone

LOL

that slevel 20

the only disadvantage you have is perks

[fallen falcon]

There's a small advantage from levels but I don't really think it's that big. Also even if you die every run, you will level eventually - mobs give decent exp

[scenic kettle]

what advantage do you get from levels

besides perks

[lusty wren]

Skill is greater than level as a win condition

[uneven vapor]

If you hit over level 5 if you will be placed in 5-100 lobbies

[lusty wren]

Even at lvl 1?

I thought its a disadvantage?

[scenic kettle]

idk thats weird

[uneven vapor]

On any class

Listen

[scenic kettle]

considering the reason u want people to have that is so there isnt a skill difference

but it takes like 10 games

[fallen falcon]

Seems like a non-issue tbh

[scenic kettle]

to be lvel 5

[lusty wren]

If its such a disadvantage why dont I get this new shit segregation like the noobs?

[fallen falcon]

Should start people out properly so they know what they're getting into

[lusty wren]

IF lvl is the problem everyone shoudl get it depending on their level right?

[fallen falcon]

it's 10x less fun to get put in baby lobbies just to get smashed at level 5

[lusty wren]

Clearly its a flawed suggestion

[scenic kettle]

fr

[uneven vapor]

Freshie gamemode that can only be accesed by people who dont have any class over level 5 but they can also play regular dark and darker if they choose

[fallen falcon]

That's more reasonable

[scenic kettle]

other games put first time players into bot lobbies then after like 5 games they go into the real game

then they end up leavin

[fallen falcon]

if it's optional, sure

[tawdry stag]

Yeah lets make it like fortnite guys

where you play vs bots

for 20 levels or whatever

[fallen falcon]

I still think it's fairly low priority, but I suppose it's not awful yeah

[scenic kettle]

that would make people leave

because they though the game was easy

then boom leve l5

[lusty wren]

Crutches are not conducive to learning the game it will only hurt the noobs

[scenic kettle]

now ur with the real people

and u get shit on

better to join getting shit on first atleast youll know if u want to keep playing or ot

[fallen falcon]

Yeah I do feel like it's unnecessary - game is unforgiving by design, may as well lean into that

[uneven vapor]

Yall are balding

[lusty wren]

Great argument

[fallen falcon]

and even then, other than the odd noob stomper runs, most geared people are running high roller anyway

[scenic kettle]

well thats how i know we won the arguement

[lusty wren]

When one has no argument they resort to personal attacks 😉

[scenic kettle]

dude just said we were balding

[fallen falcon]

I'm def not balding lmao

[uneven vapor]

Watermelon head

[uneven vapor]

You have no chest hair

[scenic kettle]

what does that mean?

[fallen falcon]

https://gyazo.com/c53c9db6ca6424b9532b4144ebadd0c8

[sweet slate]

so i'll bring it up here since this seems to just becoming worse and worse as i play more but has anyone made any serious suggestions on ways to tone down barbarians

[scenic kettle]

LOL

[lusty wren]

That he lost the battle of words

[scenic kettle]

barbarians are always gonna be strong

it is what it is

they are really only strong when they have a pocket cleric

[uneven vapor]

Or wizard

[scenic kettle]

usually when people complain about them its cuz a cleric ust non stop buffed them

[uneven vapor]

Lost the battle wont the war

[sweet slate]

yeah i get that and thats not what i have a problem with, barbs can be strong but i really feel like they need to seperate hp scaling off of STR

[lusty wren]

Correct WONT the war

😄

[uneven vapor]

Any class is good with pocket healer rogue can be tank with cleric

[scenic kettle]

yeah i can see why

barb hp is crazy

even with no heals they eat alot

[uneven vapor]

As bald as that emoji

[fallen falcon]

Yeah cleric put's them over the edge for sure, I do think they have the edge in unskilled engagements though, barb is always dangerous

[lusty wren]

Gutted me touche

[jaunty scaffold]

Hunt let's you keep items for the first ten levels, but it also doesn't have loot mehcanics

[uneven vapor]

[lusty wren]

How does HUNT have anything to do with DaD? They are VERY different games

[scenic kettle]

well, yeah but im just saying its better t keep the game how it is and not babysit new players

[fallen falcon]

Ever since I learnt you can block some spells with shields, Wizards have been a lot less of a concern for me

[scenic kettle]

that way they arent struggling once they get out of "bot lobbies"

[sweet slate]

yeah exactly though even recently in the last 2-3 runs i have died to only barbs

[jaunty scaffold]

They were talking about other extraction shooters, so it's relevant to the conversation. Also, devs have mentioned taking a bit of inspiration from Hunt

[noble stone]

wooo just ploayed another game of Gcaves, spawned, ran over to the first chest across the room, and then got instakilled by another player who spawned directly next to me apparently. so much funnnn

[jaunty scaffold]

However, they also mention CS and many others

[tawdry stag]

I feel like barbs biggest advantage is the fact that everyone is scared of them and runs away

Or keeps their distance

[fallen falcon]

I think that due to the already slow nature of the combat, barbs being able to one shot can be a problem

[lusty wren]

What they do is not relevant to what DaD does. Its a shooter, with 0 loot and everything buyable in the store. Its immensely different, solutions they use wont work here just like solutions DaD uses wont work there

[tawdry stag]

No one punishes their slow AS

[fallen falcon]

W keying into a barb means you die, most of the time

[tawdry stag]

Not really

[fallen falcon]

They only need one hit

[tawdry stag]

No

thats flase

[uneven vapor]

Rogue lowest health character against the highest dps tank

[scenic kettle]

i mean it kinda can proxy its the same genre of game, they already took some stuff from tarkov and added it to gcave

[narrow hound]

@uneven vapor say that when you can't push them because they like 4 hit a barb with magic missiles

[jaunty scaffold]

Yes, I am agreeing. I was talking about other methods that extraction shooters use to ease new players into the game

[tawdry stag]

are you tanking hits to the head?

why?

[fallen falcon]

Fair enough, I've been one shot through full plate by barbs with felling axes before

[lusty wren]

The only similarities are you extract at the end full stop 😄

[tawdry stag]

doubt it

[fallen falcon]

Not intentionally lmao, difficult to dodge something with reach while also doing damage yourself - you have to weave

[uneven vapor]

Maybe they hit headshot and sounds pretty cap

[fallen falcon]

and given the slow nature of the combat in general, that can be difficult - especially outside of a white room scenario

[uneven vapor]

Wizards are ass and you wont change my mind

[noble stone]

barbs have an overhead swing on the highest damage grey/white weapons ingame so they almost always land headshots oh and by the way youre slowed oh and by the way they have a 50% damage boost oh and by the way they arent wearing armor so they are faster than you oh and by the way etc etc etc barbOP

[scenic kettle]

wizards arent ass

if you find one that knows how to play wizards

LOL

[uneven vapor]

This guy wants wizards nerfed

[scenic kettle]

no i dont want tem nerfed

[uneven vapor]

They are already in the grave

[scenic kettle]

but u just said they are ass

when they aret

[uneven vapor]

No breakthrough says they op

[jovial swan]

Wizards: H-
Me: "THAT'S IT, I'M GETTING ME MALLET!" (pulls out War Maul)

[jaunty scaffold]

Anyway, pedantic discourse aside. I don't think there's inherently wrong with giving new players a temporary reprieve from the carnage, but skill based matching does that pretty easily. Just wondering how that would be tracked. Assuming the implimentation of a general player level

[fallen falcon]

Consider that a barbarian isn't the only target you have to worry about sometimes and they become a problem - at least the fighter isn't going to insta-gib you

[uneven vapor]

"4 hit a barb with magic missiles” @narrow hound said that

[sweet slate]

this is true but the problem is if you fight a barb head on its already over since if they press both buttons and suddenly now, if your experienced playing the game you have to back off since fighting them with their skills activated is suicide. I may just be getting real unlucky in each scenario but it really does feel completely unwinable in most circumstances against them

[jovial swan]

I will legit pull out a war maul on a wizard and go whole hog on them.

I do not care what they send, I will do it.

[stuck perch]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
This is an interesting suggestion, but it would have to be limited to some doors only or you risk players locking others in a room with no other way out. Which is a really boring way to die. Could be countered with giving all players the ability to destroy the door after bashing it enough times (fireball and Barb perk should still be instant door kill). Similarly I'd love to see rogues with the trap perk be able to reactivate disarmed traps.

[jovial swan]

And I will show them the meaning of fear.

[scenic kettle]

well... you can, you just gotta be geared up like crazy

[tawdry stag]

A really good barb will fuck you up for sure

[fallen falcon]

There is def counter play, but it can be difficult

[tawdry stag]

But 99% of them are bad enough that if you die to it its a skill issue

[scenic kettle]

and the barb has to have no magic resis

[uneven vapor]

He says every move they have is op and they need a nerf

[tawdry stag]

I havent lost a single fight to a bard

[scenic kettle]

barbs

?

[tawdry stag]

in 24 hours of playtime

[fallen falcon]

What do you play Jon?

[tawdry stag]

on any of my chars

Fighter, Ranger, Rogue, barb

[uneven vapor]

He says wizards need to be nerfed

[scenic kettle]

oh

[tawdry stag]

You just need to manipulate your hitbox

[scenic kettle]

nh

[tawdry stag]

and run into his arm

[scenic kettle]

nah

[tawdry stag]

then you win

[fallen falcon]

Ranger can dispatch at a range, so they're fine - Rogue is actually quick enough to weave if needs be, Barb is a mirror matchup

[jaunty scaffold]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Speeding up the combat slightly and implementing a universal parry system based on weapon type would fix a lot of issues with combat]

[fallen falcon]

What are you doing on fighter might I ask? Been struggling this test with good barbs

[jaunty scaffold]

including Barb being OP and crouch-jump spamming being the meta

[tawdry stag]

Shield

[fallen falcon]

I've been killing my fair share, but if they know what they're doing I find it difficult

[tawdry stag]

If you ever get hit

[fallen falcon]

Yeah there's my problem I guess - Longsword main here

[tawdry stag]

And run into him

You run into his swinging arm with an arming sword

[stuck perch]

Wizards need a buff but also some nerfs. Nerf Wizard on things like agility as they're really old and frail, there's no way they should be able to run that fast. And increase their offensive power and buff/debuff durations.

[uneven vapor]

Yeah he a brainless barb who holds w

[tawdry stag]

with longsword you riposte

But I dont use that weapon

[fallen falcon]

Of course, but actually getting the parry is difficult

[tawdry stag]

One handers are better than 2 handers, except the spear which has some use cases ig

[scenic kettle]

well it has to kill a wizard as a barb

but i mean

[fallen falcon]

there can be desync, and if you fail, you die

[sweet slate]

true, i do majorly play single since i do genuinely enjoy playing solo and fighting against multiple people but it feels so soul crushing when you fight a barb and and you hit them just as many times and see that they only took about 15% of their life

[scenic kettle]

just play with a team

[regal parrot]

The only fighters that give me (barb) resistance are shieldusers

[uneven vapor]

I know wizard is balls

[fallen falcon]

Long sword is extremely viable though, the weapon isn't the problem

[tawdry stag]

Longsword is good

if you cant riposte

[fallen falcon]

Main thing I think we disagree on is the Barb one taps I think

[tawdry stag]

thats skill issue

[fallen falcon]

Not entirely

[silent viper]

The goblin cave is the actual worst for portal spawns

[fallen falcon]

I'm very good at riposting

[jaunty scaffold]

Yes, exactly this. Do a difficult parry for each weapon. Just lower the window on things axes and daggers.

[stuck perch]

How do you successfully block with longswords? I know R-click click, but it never works.

[jaunty scaffold]

If it has a cross guard, logic would dictate it has the ability to parry to some extent

[fallen falcon]

It is definitely inconsistent, however (to be expected since it's alpha)

[tawdry stag]

ig there can be some desync

and the hitbox is ass

[uneven vapor]

Only 4 spawn with 9 peopke

[tawdry stag]

but barb axe is so slow

[fallen falcon]

It's more the felling axe I have issue with

it's decently fast, and has one shot me before if they get a clean strike to the head

[sweet slate]

the barb one-taps i don't really care about because at some point it will always happen no matter what due to them have a base 30 str, i just feel like the HP they have is way to over kill at times

[scenic kettle]

its 11 now

11 people

[uneven vapor]

K

[fallen falcon]

I can deal with the HP as long as I'm able to outmanoeuvre them, but I think rage gives them movespeed on top of the damage stuff right?

[tawdry stag]

bring a shield and sword then

[tender cave]

You gotta aim it in the direction of the swing. Like with barbs if you block and look about 60-70 degrees up it blocks 90% of the time

[tawdry stag]

as your secondaries

When he pops rage

[sweet slate]

yeah it does

[tawdry stag]

you block into attack

[tender cave]

Same with crouching and looking at a 45 degree up against archers

[tawdry stag]

he takes increased damage in rage

You run the attackspeed perk after block

[narrow hound]

Then what do you say is too strong

[tawdry stag]

extremely strong and underrated

[stuck perch]

yeah, but how far do I have to aim it in a direction?

[fallen falcon]

Yeah I know, Barbs aren't usually a problem for me in a white room scenario - i.e, clean 1v1

[tawdry stag]

It just exactly lets you get in a hit befroe they can block

[narrow hound]

Also what is the point in a suggestions channel if you just get ridiculed by random degenerates for using it

[sweet slate]

problem with this is how inconsistent shields are at blocking + a barb with smash will still damage you anyways

[uneven vapor]

You said the wizards needs a nerf

[jaunty scaffold]

It's a popular competitive first person game. Toxicity is a given.

[tawdry stag]

The point of the suggestion channel is for us to have a discussion channel without 5 minute slowmode 😎

[fallen falcon]

The issue for me stems from the fact that they're an ever present threat that can one tap you - they have too much kill pressure is what I'm saying, basically, for you to take your attention off of them

[uneven vapor]

Maybe strafe a little this is suggestion discussion

[stuck perch]

Wizards have just been nerfed, twice in a row, they need buffs not nerfs.

[narrow hound]

Like there's a voting system on there why do people need to be @ing me

[tender cave]

You gotta aim the shield at the attack. For practice take a shield character in with prim stuff and push every fight and practice blocking. I saw a Chad win a 1v3 last night against a barb, cleric, and rogue. All cause of blocks

[fallen falcon]

I can take on 2 fighters by myself easily - I know how to play that scenario - 2 Barbs? I' m probably dead because I can't afford to take even a single hit

[narrow hound]

Maybe stop @ing me

And I won't have to be here

[uneven vapor]

Because its dumb wizards have been nerfed to death you beating a dead horse

[sweet slate]

unfortunate case of common toxicity, you get used to it over time

[narrow hound]

Yes

[jaunty scaffold]

Downvote and move on child. It's all daijoubus

[narrow hound]

I'm used to it it just doesn't make sense

[sweet slate]

fair enough, i can agree with you on that

[uneven vapor]

Its a discussion channel buckaroo im gonna discuss

[narrow hound]

It's not even a discussion it's just "that's cap 🤓🤓🤓"

[stuck perch]

I can block with shield occasionally but never with longsword.

[uneven vapor]

Strafe and you wont get hit

[tender cave]

Might be a hit box issue.

[narrow hound]

Okay maybe that's fine not in high roller where everyone has a finger up their bumhole

[jaunty scaffold]

It's a parry, not a block. Timing is similar to a perfect block in other first person melee games

[tender cave]

Or it could be you need to aim a little more in that direction. Who knows

[fallen falcon]

It's a block, then a riposte to be fair

You don't have to time it

[narrow hound]

Do you still need to be precise?

[stuck perch]

It's just so slow to do the animation, do I need the animation to be ongoing or completed to "parry"?

[narrow hound]

Oh right

Yea I didn't think it was a parry

[fallen falcon]

Parrying with the longsword looks like

[narrow hound]

I thought the sword partially blocks it

[fallen falcon]

Hold R click to hold up defensive stance

block with the bottom half of the blade - so the cross guard upwards

[stuck perch]

What's so strong with wizard that people are calling for nerfs?

[narrow hound]

For me it seems to just require no skill

[uneven vapor]

Cant beat them join them

[fallen falcon]

when you successfully block and hear a metallic clang, you can then right click again to perform a mirrored version of the second strike (the sort of cross cut)

[narrow hound]

And its always like unavaoidable when I die to wizards

If that makes sense

[silent viper]

I've had a barb kill me in two shots ._.

[fallen falcon]

right clicking again after that follows it up with another "cross cut"

[fallen falcon]

Try one shot, hahaha

[uneven vapor]

Barbs are extreme dps tanks who are slow

[fallen falcon]

The "parry" is good because they do insane damage

[tawdry stag]

one thing though

[sweet slate]

their just generally powerful, in particular with groups and they have a plethora of spells at their disposal so they can feel like the can just constantly cast

[tawdry stag]

if the barb brought dual wield axes

[fallen falcon]

they're incredibly quick hahaha

[tawdry stag]

just ff

[fallen falcon]

Funny enough, I've killed every dual wield axe using barb I've fought

[uneven vapor]

While attacking the barb publicly exposes himself

[narrow hound]

What do yous think is the strongest class then?

[fallen falcon]

very easy to parry w longsword

[silent viper]

Slow?

[tender cave]

Maybe they could do like vermin tide and have a player lobby area where you walk around to all the NPCs and all that good stuff

[tawdry stag]

barbs are very slow

[silent viper]

I've had them chase me down with my damn hands out

[tawdry stag]

its cope to claim anything else

if theyre wearing no armor you literally just kill them

and their axes have huge -movement

[silent viper]

what barb is wearing no armor

[uneven vapor]

Barb ranger fighter beat classes when played riggt

[tawdry stag]

No one

which is my point

?

so they arent fast

[tender cave]

They got that perk for extra damage with no chest piece

[fallen falcon]

I'll happily concede that I'm approaching this conversation as a Fighter only main, so I realise things like removing the speed from rage probably makes Barb's food for the ranged classes, but yeah

[sweet slate]

mmm, don't really agree since a barb with rage will always outrun a fighter with sprint and them wearing no armor doesn't really matter much when they have 150-200 health

[narrow hound]

Ranger obviously but I don't agree with barb it's too slow

[fallen falcon]

I feel like Barbs are on par with fighters from a speed standpoint

[jaunty scaffold]

I just wish all the weapons with cross guards had some sort of parry mechanic. Most things get a parry, gameplay speeds up a bit, less complaining about barbs and crouch-jumping

[tender cave]

Even with the speed he’s food for range characters.

[narrow hound]

Fighters can take off armour and zoom away when they need to tho

Barbs can't cos they are roughly the same with armour on

[uneven vapor]

Not mid fight?

[narrow hound]

Yea obviously

[tawdry stag]

the thing is

if the barb misses a single swing

you take 100-150 hp

[uneven vapor]

Taking armour off on any character but barb is death

[tawdry stag]

so if you use your spirnt

corretly

you wn

[fallen falcon]

In a 1v1 sure

[tawdry stag]

ok and in a teamfight your wizard slows him

50%

[narrow hound]

Rogue ranger wiz fighter always see them taking off armour mid foght

And they get away

From me a barb

[uneven vapor]

Use tgrowing axes

[narrow hound]

I do but it doesn't always work

[fallen falcon]

If my wizard wastes time slowing the barb, I'm sure the ranger will make quick work of him - team fights are all a pressure game, right

[sweet slate]

i do agree, but i feel with how much its getting worse im seeing more and more people only use the felling axe so if they miss they are screwed but, that is a big if

[narrow hound]

Axes do like no dammage

They do enough

[uneven vapor]

Find a friend

[narrow hound]

I have a friend

[tawdry stag]

Yeha

its impossible to compare it

[fallen falcon]

Yeah there's def too many variables

[uneven vapor]

Force him to play ranger

[fallen falcon]

My sole point is - Barb is the one class that's gonna one shot me unless I pay attention to him

[tawdry stag]

ranger can too

:)

[narrow hound]

Nah that's fruity

[fallen falcon]

and if I'm paying attention to him, I'm not pressuring the ranger, or the cleric

[green night]

make it so i can post rings in trade chat holy, very hard time selling

[inland pelican]

Someone mentioned two handed throwables, would it be easier to code it as an active skill for barbs that deals weapon dmg to anything it hits and drops the weapon on landing location so only barbs can use it? (Fighter main here but love the thought)

[narrow hound]

You can

[uneven vapor]

I knew you were bluffing

[green night]

i dead cant

[narrow hound]

What

[green night]

it says msut be an armor or clothing the class can wear and any class can wear the ring

[fallen falcon]

In terms of a threatening frontline, I feel like Barb creates infinitely more pressure for a team than any of the other melee solely due to the one shot potential

[narrow hound]

There's a certain chat for it is there not

[green night]

idk

[narrow hound]

I was able to rob some guy of 500g for a purple ring

Not scam he just really wanted it

[green night]

ah

im trying 900g for legendary ring

[narrow hound]

What one

[inland pelican]

Agreed, tons of dmg and hyper aggressive style, causes panic if you aren't ready to defend against it

[green night]

check #dnd-content

[narrow hound]

Oke

[tawdry stag]

Barb is kinda like hecarim if you know league of legends

[fallen falcon]

Definitely, and there's 100% a place for that

[scenic kettle]

900g is crazy for a ring

but what are the stats?

[fallen falcon]

Hell, I'd be fine with Barb's 1 tapping the squishier classes like wizard and ranger

[inland pelican]

They do

[fallen falcon]

makes sense to me if they manage to get to your backline, they should be rewarded

[green night]

posted it in #dnd-content

[fallen falcon]

but they shouldn't be 1 tapping the enemy tank, that's silly

[narrow hound]

They can?

[inland pelican]

One headshot and any non fighter is usually gone

[uneven vapor]

Share content isnt a trading channel its a video sharing channel

[fallen falcon]

I have to get 3 perfect longsword hits on your head to kill you, while dodging that axe - can be difficult

[green night]

k

https://tenor.com/view/dog-funny-what-ok-ok-disgusting-gif-26216088

guh

[narrow hound]

It's not that bad if you know how to kite out attacks easy

[inland pelican]

Exactly

[sweet slate]

highly agree with this point, them having free pressure can feel at times that they make it impossible to hold or pressure back.

[fallen falcon]

For sure, and like I've said, in 1v1s, I do

[narrow hound]

I rely on the enemy not knowing how to play to their classes speed for me to win

[fallen falcon]

I think barb's are just problematic moreso in team situations

[inland pelican]

I can tank a barb for a good long time if that's all I'm looking to do

[narrow hound]

In 2v2s you can too it's just hsrder

Just move your characters head if you know you are gonna take hits

[sweet slate]

yeah since they also have the ability to buff allies health pool as well

[stuck perch]

Isn't that what wizards are supposed to be about? Do you want wizards to be a class that can only cast 2 to 3 spells then have to melee their way out of trouble?

[inland pelican]

Let's be honest, barb comes charging in, he has your team's full attention every time lol idc who you are

[fallen falcon]

It's harder, aye - but should it be? One class can find success by W keying and clicking, the others are at the mercy of the blocking system, and have to 100% always respect that player regardless of skill level, due to the pressure they bring

[narrow hound]

If the enemy team has an archer tho the other team can push back and barb will die leading to the whole team dieing

[slate narwhal]

make a way to break the spider spawner that shit is so annoying

[uneven vapor]

Im worries bout the rogue walking up and tickling by balls

[uneven vapor]

You break it by hitting it

[narrow hound]

Rogues don't tickle anymore I feel they do a ton of dammage with bleed

[green night]

nvm im stupid, i found the misc sell room

sold it for 800g

[inland pelican]

Fair, but are you thinking of that with a wall of muscle running into your face?

[narrow hound]

We at least you found it

[green night]

real

[uneven vapor]

Yes

[fallen falcon]

Honestly feel like wizard is fine this playtest

[sweet slate]

oh no believe me, im not in the boat that wizards should be nerfed though i do feel that the way they went about it was incorrect since removing one cast from most of their spells does absolutely nothing to them. atleast in my opinion it doesn't, though the people in general would say other wise

[narrow hound]

I wouldn't have even paid 200g for it tbh

[inland pelican]

Also, to all the shield users... #d-and-d-suggestions message

[uneven vapor]

Rogue and barb might be the best team rogue sneaks behind and barb runs it to back them up

[tawdry stag]

How to counter a barb: Press x, turn around, run in straight line

When rage over you kill him

boom

[inland pelican]

I dislike the dmg loss for fireball but the spell pool loss is how I personally suggested they nerf them, it plays into the weakness of their trope

[uneven vapor]

How to counter dont encounter

Boom

[pseudo gulch]

WHY ME AND MY TWO FRIENDS GOT BAN. I HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR 3 PLAYTESTS AND STREAMING THIS GAME AND SUDDENLY I GOT BAN FOR NOTHING. CAN YOU CHECK YOUR ANTICHEAT AND BUGS? I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF SOME ADMIN WOULD DO IT.

[flint shoal]

why half the discord voice channels

we need more

lol

[uneven vapor]

THATS CRAZY NO ONE CARES

[fallen falcon]

This is a viable strategy, but it speaks volumes of Barb being non-interactive for most classes then no?

[uneven vapor]

WHAT AM I GONNA DO UNBAN YOU?

[fallen falcon]

if the best option is to not interact

[tawdry stag]

No?

You're not not interacting

[inland pelican]

Didn't counter my team's barb last night lol rogue and wizard tried

[tawdry stag]

you're kiting for a couple of seconds

with your speed

[noble stone]

Gcaves needs exits on every level. Killed 4 players, barely survived the last 2 fights, still lost to darkness because the damn EXITS spawned on the bottom floor 3 times in a row GG

[fallen falcon]

How long does rage last?

and what's the CD

[tawdry stag]

I think its 8 - 30

Not completely sure

[uneven vapor]

Play normal

[noble stone]

stupid suggestion

[sweet slate]

true, i do agree

[uneven vapor]

Its an experimental gamemode playtest ends monday

[stuck perch]

If Wizard needs a nerf, it should be to their non-magical stats. Basically they should have low str and agi. Haste/invisibility on wizard wouldn't be that broken if their base agi is low, while still remaining decent buff spells. At range wizards should be an artillery platform if they want to go with damage spells. Fireball should do more damage especially splash damage and have a larger radius, with scaling damage depending on how far you are to the center.

[pseudo gulch]

WHY ME AND MY TWO FRIENDS GOT BAN. I HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR 3 PLAYTESTS AND STREAMING THIS GAME AND SUDDENLY I GOT BAN FOR NOTHING. CAN YOU CHECK YOUR ANTICHEAT AND BUGS? I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF SOME ADMIN WOULD DO IT.

[uneven vapor]

Stop spamming no one cares spamming wont get you unbanned appeal or shut up

[sweet slate]

it just feels like there is never a situation where when im playing wizard that i ever run out of spells

[tawdry stag]

true and real

[fallen falcon]

Fair - again, I'll admit I've got a narrow viewpoint due to only playing fighter, and I generally dislike one shot mechanics in games (reason I hate tarkov these days, getting one tapped from a bush sucks)

[noble stone]

bro... im saying 'here is something that really should be changed/reviewed' and your comeback is 'nono it stays broken, YOU are the one who must change'

so dumb

[stuck perch]

Depends on how liberal you are with their use. I run out constantly.

If you don't run out with them, then it's an incentive to try something other than meditate.

[uneven vapor]

It has already been suggested by other most likely they already know

[silent viper]

holy crap why is goblin caves full of poison

[fallen falcon]

Good chat though @tawdry stag, I appreciate the insight

[inland pelican]

Idk, I never had an issue finding a portal... it usually is just gotten to first

[tender cave]

I feel if the barb can one shot, then he should be squishy. But they are basing them off of D&D mechanics. So barb has always been busted.

[inland pelican]

You are playing it right, lots of people spam spells cause kill it with fire

[uneven vapor]

Run

[tender cave]

As long as they don’t add totems and people go cow. Cause halving damage would be horrible

[stuck perch]

Meh, Barb being slow is good enough, good barbs learn to play around that and so should you.

[silent viper]

okay fatass

[silent viper]

try doing that irl lol

[noble stone]

well on Gcaves you can get 'trapped' on a floor very easily, and if no portals spawn on your floor well tough sh*t you lose

[uneven vapor]

Thats crazy i wasnt talking to you

[tender cave]

You you talk to kids it only makes them talk back more as they floss in their room

[stuck perch]

Meh, barb's best defensive aspects should be A) mountain of health, B) temp health from that skill, nothing more.

[inland pelican]

I mean I have played more gcaves then castle this time, no issues here, but it's just me

[sweet slate]

that is to be said, more than likely i usually am out of spell by the end of a fight since if your not out their getting spells out then your not really being useful anyways

[uneven vapor]

Look at your pfp kid look at your bio you are a disgrace to our society

[silent viper]

Copium? Fell for the bait pfp it seems

[noble stone]

Ok so you're not really reading what im saying then I guess

[tawdry stag]

skill issue

stop typing

[uneven vapor]

Your right i should just ignore these 6th graders

[slate tartan]

Sad cause can't extract from goblin caves lol

[gloomy solar]

Beefing in a suggestion text channel both of u guys are equally cringe and sad relax

[noble stone]

'i never had this issue therefore its not a problem' is not a valid response

[tender cave]

Go cleric with cleanse to handle the poison.

[stuck perch]

Yeah, Wizard is fine with spell counts, although I wish knowledge would increase the spell casts per day while willpower increases damage/duration. So you can either build for burst or cast speed.

[inland pelican]

I'm saying learn the map or don't move to be stuck on one floor... its spacial awareness my guy...

[sweet slate]

do find it a little weird though that they would immediately decide to buff meditation after nerfing their spell amount

[graceful frost]

thats not what he said. he said "thats just me" not using his expirience as the pure reason it shouldnt happen or isnt an issue

[noble stone]

bro ive played more Gcaves than u I promise you that

[slate tartan]

I'm mocking people in this channel... Goblin is the easiest thing in the world

[stuck perch]

It might be that they want people to be using meditation more often, but then again it's kinda sad people don't use spell memory or quick cast more often.

[silent viper]

You're not exactly a functioning member of society yourself tubby. Or atleast not without the assistance of an electric scooter

[inland pelican]

And you still get stuck constantly on one floor... you still don't get what I'm saying?

[noble stone]

I know this map like the back of my hand. I know exactly where portals can spawn. I know that you can get trapped on a floor and its impossible to reach an exit unless one SPAWNS on YOUR FLOOR

[inland pelican]

Agreed

[stuck perch]

@silent viper @uneven vapor knock it off you two.

[tender cave]

Eh it is when you get a good lobby. Last time I did it I was the only non barbarian lol

[slate tartan]

They are all good lobbies

[silent viper]

Goblin is easy? The portals are a pain in the ass to find

[tender cave]

Bro it’s a game. Chill. You came at him first.

[uneven vapor]

Im not argueinf with children

[tender cave]

And nah I never have that problem. Only thing that kills me there are the 4 barbarians that team up.

[silent viper]

Maybe he shouldn't give off 🤓 vibes with comments like "run"

[sweet slate]

it is an interesting idea though it feels like at times that once you hit the breaking point currently of like 35 will there really is any other point than to just burst everyone and i don't think any amount of cast number or cast speed could out weigh how hard you can hit

[slate tartan]

Learn the map, it's pretty small and not that hard, then identify where your portals are early instead of waiting until the last second and running around in a panic, it really is simple

[uneven vapor]

"Barb is busted" i replied run

[slate tartan]

Learn where the permanent extract is so you can find a way out if you can't find a portal, there are solutions, you just need to apply yourself

[uneven vapor]

Easy answer

[tender cave]

It’s solid advice. Run. But you called him a fat ass. Don’t deflect your issues into others. If you can’t handle something then run. Otherwise you die and then come into the discord and complain. “WiZaRd Op He BoNkEd Me WiTh HiS sTaFf AnD i DiEd”

[silent viper]

Best way to play around a barb team is just go for his cleric easy

[silent viper]

I don't think wizard is op 🥱

[tawdry stag]

getting baited by the pisser

stop

[stuck perch]

If you want to go for that playstyle, you're welcome to by all means. But spell casting speed is more than just for dps, it also shortens the window in which people can rush you.

[tawdry stag]

ignore him

[tender cave]

I’m saying people complain every time something kills the@

[inland pelican]

This

[silent viper]

Fighter master race tbh

[scenic kettle]

nah

[sweet slate]

that is true, i guess its a bit hard for me to think of many other things outside of damage spells. if that was the case than durations could reach ludicrous heights and being able to cast them within 1 second would be interesting to see

[inland pelican]

Eh, slow movement outside a sprint and average stats overall, saving grace is the shield or longsword, that's from a fighter main, we have to think hard to win most fights

[scenic kettle]

every class does fighter but better

its sad

[stuck perch]

Fighter is the game's current whipping boy. He's bad at everything, his perks don't provide a lot of synergy unlike cleric, barbarian or rogue and most of them only emphasis his defense rating which kinda sucks until you get decent armor.

[fallen falcon]

Can we talk about the skills too?

[scenic kettle]

agility is good

[silent viper]

I play fighter and I never felt particularly weak

[scenic kettle]

second wind is good ifu hve campfires

[fallen falcon]

Dunno what Taunt is for really

[scenic kettle]

victory strke is decent

i odnt know the other skills

[silent viper]

Adrenaline rush 🤤

[scenic kettle]

what does it do again

i forgot

[silent viper]

increased swing speed

[inland pelican]

And so I suggest this for shield users #d-and-d-suggestions message

[scenic kettle]

oh

so its mid

[silent viper]

wth

[eager creek]

whats weird about that?

[fallen falcon]

remove movespeed debuffs is way too situational imo

[late merlin]

FOV slider plz

[sweet slate]

since they not but two days ago nerf the spell amount so buffing meditation to some extent equlizes the nerfs that they were trying to go for

[inland pelican]

I agree, they want wizard to have less utility at hand at once, so you have to manage your spell output

[eager creek]

they want to nerf wizard in pvp, not pve

[scenic kettle]

i think they want wizard to have more utility

[eager creek]

thats the adjustment

[scenic kettle]

in the future im pretty sure wizards will have way more utility spells

[stuck perch]

I enjoy seeing different builds and playstyles, Wizard should have spells and perks that support "Burst damage", "Buff support" and "Debuff support" playstyles. Just like Fighters should have perks and abilities that support "Sword and board", "Dual wielding", and "Two-handed Weapons" playstyles.

[scenic kettle]

while sorcerer has the damage spells

[sweet slate]

more than likely yeah

[silent viper]

I just run 2nd wind adrenaline rush w Defense Expert Counterattack Combo attack and swift

[scenic kettle]

they might even go like in dnd

and get schools

you can join in as a wizard

[inland pelican]

They do, they said as much, wizard is a Swiss army knife, if they add sorcerer they will have less spell options and more dmg and spell count for dmg spells, they are the glass cannon

[scenic kettle]

id play sorcerer ngl

if its all damage spells

id assume its good damage too

nothing like

ice bolt

[gloomy solar]

is sorcerer like a confirmed class they are working on?

[sweet slate]

same, same. That's why i feel like the barbs are way to over tunned to one thing since the only build that barb really does is "big damage", not really much variety, once again in my opinion

[inland pelican]

Not confirmed

[gloomy solar]

ah okay cuz i know they are working on a new class but i never heard what the class was

[scenic kettle]

nah it was confirmed

[inland pelican]

Bard

[scenic kettle]

in the q and a

[gloomy solar]

mm so its a full healer?

[tender cave]

I think wizard is fine where he’s at. High damage, range, AND he can get his stuff back. Bad wizards can stop PvE like a boss. A GREAT wizard can 1v3. I’ve seen it happen and have been flabbergasted. It’s good to have a high skill ceiling class

[scenic kettle]

they didnt really specify what the sorcerer has ad etc

[silent viper]

What else would barb be for?

[inland pelican]

Was mentioned but not actually confirmed from what I saw in the interview

[scenic kettle]

but he did say sorcerer

well yeah tomato tomatoe

he said classes like bard and sorcerer

hopefully added as soon as possibly

[stuck perch]

I'd like for that to happen with all classes, a way to add specialization to your character. I think it would go well as a counter balance to multiclassing. As in you either take multiclassing or school specialization. I was thinking around level 20 as a way to add room to grow.

[inland pelican]

Likely aoe buffs and illusion things, support stuff

[gloomy solar]

mm thats pretty cool

[fallen falcon]

Honestly feel like barb should be the class that can run down squishies

[tender cave]

Bard will be buffs, sorcerers use magic but more offensively

[gloomy solar]

he is no?

[scenic kettle]

its oh yaeh i think they are great too

but im just saying dwn the line

[tender cave]

Bard has and always will be AoE buffs

[scenic kettle]

tey prolly will have more util

then the sorcerer class

i mean they also said they would add monk

if they could

[fallen falcon]

Most barbs get eaten by good rangers/wizards I think, unless you're in a literal box

[scenic kettle]

do hit boxes

with kicking

[tender cave]

Barb my bad. No they punish if you mess up

[scenic kettle]

me personally id main paladin if they ever added it

[gloomy solar]

nah usually the barbs i play against has a mage with him that hastes him and runs in unarmed to get in range maybe thats why

[stuck perch]

What would the sorcerer do differently than the wizard? I don't want a class that just does the same thing as the wizard with more spell power. I'd rather see different ways to build the wizard himself into those playstyles.

[fallen falcon]

Sounds like you have no front line haha

[tender cave]

Barbs have and always will in the history of D&D fuck everything up. Many campaigns get ruined all because they had no earthly clue a barb could do 300 damage in one turn

[scenic kettle]

it will probably have different skills and spells entierly, it just will prolly have no util. they might just scrap sorcerer and add schools for wizards to join to learn spells who knows

[gloomy solar]

i run barb range rogue with my friends cuz i dont restrict from waht they want to play

[fallen falcon]

Barbs in DnD usually get countered by magic though right? Saving throw based stuff

[stuck perch]

I'd get really, really hyped about the possibility to play a Paladin.

[inland pelican]

I'm wondering if druid will be shape-shifting primary or spell primary, and I like the idea of druids focusing on control spells like walls and fog

[gloomy solar]

i was thinking wizard being able to make a small ice pillar that just blocks the door way for a set duration

[tender cave]

No so wizards can interchange their spells and recover spells. Sorcerers have MORE spells with drawbacks in some cases. Like oh I’m out of spells… well I’m gonna use 10 ho to cast this spell now

[stuck perch]

Why have no utility on a Sorcerer? Could be different spells and perks over a wizard but should still be possible.

[tender cave]

No i wanna be a BEAR FORM DRUID!!!

[fallen falcon]

hp casting sounds more like a warlock thing tbf

speaking of, warlocks would be cool

or a necromancer or something

[scenic kettle]

thats more of a warloc kthing

warlock*

sorcerers are about doing high out put damage spells

[stuck perch]

I could see the Sorcerer as a wizard specialization, no mediate but all your spells slowly regen.

[scenic kettle]

but they have like few of them

[fallen falcon]

Sorcs are blasters yeah

[sweet slate]

to clarify a bit, the big damage is not what is a problem for me even though the fact that they can one-shot all classes easily is a bit problematic, its just the lack of their weapon choice is the problem

[tender cave]

I doubt they will incorporate three magic casters. So they will probably combine them in a sense to make each class special. Otherwise there would be dead classes

[fallen falcon]

fair point

[inland pelican]

I expect the shape shifting being the q and e buttons one form as an ability so you have to pick a form to slide into the slot to activate it

[scenic kettle]

yeah but they will prolly add schools to join

for customization options

kinda like in dnd

when u can pick schools

[stuck perch]

No, sorcerers are about having more quantity of spells over quality of spells. They're not limited to being just about firepower, an Evocator wizard can have as much power as a Sorcerer or even more.

[tender cave]

Probably wayyyyyyy down the line. Would be sweet though

[scenic kettle]

thats not true

[fallen falcon]

Def not in DnD

[scenic kettle]

you got it reversed

im speaking in terms of dd

dnd

like dungeons and dragons

[fallen falcon]

Wizards are the dictionary of spells

[tender cave]

I just want to be able to play as a bard and hurt people with VICIOUS MOCKERY!!!!

[inland pelican]

I see it this way wizard =cleric, sorcerer = barb, druid =fighter

[stuck perch]

Yeah the game I've been playing for over 20 years?

[fallen falcon]

Sorcs are the innate casters that have less choice, but hit hard

[scenic kettle]

then ushould know

that

wizards have

like 10 schools to choose from

which have like

[stuck perch]

Wizard and clerics are the polar opposite of each other.

[scenic kettle]

hella spels each

[fallen falcon]

Yeah Wizards have the biggest spell list and can learn p much every arcane spell

[gloomy solar]

is this game based off of a DnD system? is that why its being compared to DnD sometimes?

[scenic kettle]

wizards have the biggest spell lists

in dnd

[stuck perch]

And Sorcerers have bloodlines to choose from. Same thing.

[tender cave]

I want them to incorporate up casting spells. Like use three spell slots to cast a super buffed up fireball

[fallen falcon]

Sorcs have limited spells but have interesting ways to do more damage via metamagic etc

[sweet slate]

loosely based, not completely

[inland pelican]

Yes, 2nd edition I believe is the goal

[silent viper]

Oh yea for sure.

[gloomy solar]

ah okay that makes sense

[tender cave]

2e would be nice. Not 5e though

[fallen falcon]

give me 3.5e and we're chillin

[tender cave]

As long as it’s not 5 I’m fine with any edition

[sweet slate]

interesting to know 2e was the base

[stuck perch]

There were no Sorcerers in 2e D&D.

They started in 3e.

[sweet slate]

yeah sorc was 3e right?

[scenic kettle]

well yeah but that was just for variety

[stuck perch]

Same thing as wizard having schools.

[scenic kettle]

regardless wizards still have the most spelllist

they can learn the most spells

they even have the most spell slots

[tender cave]

They need to make it to where the wizard can use certain shrines to select new spells.

[scenic kettle]

well not most but way more than sorc

[tender cave]

Or at a campfire

[scenic kettle]

pretty sure cleric and wizard

have the sam eamount of spell slots

[stuck perch]

Wizards and Sorcerers had the same spell list when Sorcerers came out. It's only in the most recent editions that they got their own thing.

[fallen falcon]

Maybe I'm wrong but I'm p sure it's always been that wizards have more spells, and thus more utility / sorcs have less spells, but more damage no?

Ah fair, I stand corrected then

[scenic kettle]

no thats correct

thats how it always been

sorc have less psell slots

but their spells hit like a truck

wizards have more utlity

[fallen falcon]

I know they've had like Innate casting instead of prepared casting - that was always a difference

[scenic kettle]

well yeah

[fallen falcon]

but less spells slots to make up for it

[stuck perch]

Sorcerers have more casts of the same spells every day, Wizards have more spell slots and more powerful spells at the same level.

[scenic kettle]

im reffering to 5th edition

when im talking about sorcs

i dont think this game is gonna use anything from dnd for obvious reasons

but im pretty sure sorcs have more damage less spells wizards have less damage more spells

thats how it usually is

[stuck perch]

This game isn't trying for 5e emulation so taking 5e sorcs as a blue print is kinda pointless.

[fallen falcon]

I mean not innately, wizard fireball is going to do the same as a sorcs

[lusty wren]

This is exactly how they said they want sorc and wiz to work though

[scenic kettle]

well yeah ofc

but sorcs will have acess to higher damage spells

they prolly just wont be able to spam it

[fallen falcon]

and metamagic etc

[scenic kettle]

idk the mechanics the class isnt even gonna be made

[fallen falcon]

yeah I get what you're saying

[scenic kettle]

anytime soon

they doing bard

and prolly druid

after

[fallen falcon]

I'd kill for pally tbf

[scenic kettle]

yeah

[fallen falcon]

one shot those barbs back

[scenic kettle]

id insta be a pally main

[fallen falcon]

with a good ol' smite

[stuck perch]

That's dumb then, they shouldn't bother with sorc if they're going to do that. Just give wizard more damage spells and those that want damage spells will take them where as those that want utility spells will take those.

[tender cave]

I’d love to be a tanky boi healer

[fallen falcon]

Can't cleric wear plate?

[scenic kettle]

ye

[inland pelican]

So wizards have more spell options, sorcerer have more casts of the spells (more power, less choice)

[fallen falcon]

or like, Templar armour?

[stuck perch]

Cleric can wear chain and some plate.

[scenic kettle]

yes

[lusty wren]

They want sorc to be dmg and wiz to be utility. Can think its dumb sure but its their game

[tender cave]

Yeah but that use kettle pots for shields.

[fallen falcon]

Ah, that's a shame to hear

[tender cave]

I want a big boi shield.

[fallen falcon]

was considering rolling one

[sweet slate]

could have it where instead of them having spell casting like the other classes they instead use a total of sorcerer points to cast spells from instead of having a specified number of each spell

[scenic kettle]

they can wear

templar armor

they just cant wear fine curiass

[tender cave]

They fun. Great pVE class

[scenic kettle]

or dark armor

[inland pelican]

As I said sorcerer =barb, wizard =cleric, druid =fighter

[stuck perch]

No that's just one off-hand comment from the dev when he was asked about different classes. Wizard would suck if all they could do is utility.

[scenic kettle]

then they can wear plate gloves boots and a kettle hat

[inland pelican]

Think of it that way

[lusty wren]

No one said "ALL" just that one is more utility and one is more dmg

easy

simple logic

[scenic kettle]

they arent al gonna do util

they will just have util

in their kit

a sorcerer isnt gonna hav ehaste and invis

or slow

and what ever future util wizards will have

[stuck perch]

How about giving more utility AND damage spells to the existing class instead of splitting the flow and have both limited to a smaller selection of spells?

Look at the wizard perks, which of those involve "utility"?

[lusty wren]

Youd have to ask them

[sterile mason]

penalties for teaming in solo dungeon lol

[inland pelican]

Or think more that sorcerer will have lower spell knowledge but higher spell count for the spells

[scenic kettle]

prolly wont happen

the devs knew people would team

especially with the edition of

voip

[sterile mason]

way to kill a solo experience

[stuck perch]

The game was never meant to be solo.

[fallen falcon]

anyone teaming is probably dog tbf hahaha

like in solos

[tawdry stag]

Speaking of VOIP

[sterile mason]

so why release a solo map

[tawdry stag]

they really need to make it on by default

[scenic kettle]

because alot of people cried

about not being able to play solo

[tender cave]

I team with anyone that gives me the crouch crouch. No matter what. Unspoken gamer rule

[stuck perch]

Because people kept crying for it.

[sweet slate]

because the player base complained to much

[sterile mason]

go crouch crouch in trios lol

[tender cave]

I’ve run the main dungeon 12 deep cause every team was doing the crouch crouch

[stuck perch]

I do the same, sometimes I drop loot for them too. If I have something for their class on me.

[sterile mason]

hopefully solo isnt in release

[fallen falcon]

tbf I think it's fine as an option

[stuck perch]

I doubt the people that cried for solo queue will never be happy unless they get a 2 player map with a single escape portal.

[tender cave]

I hope it is. And duo and 4 man.

[fallen falcon]

needs work because I def don't think it's worth going in

[scenic kettle]

it prolly will

it isnt that bad

[sweet slate]

maybe next time if you encounter a group of people in solo try to see if they'll be friendly to you too, its not to hard to not attack and crouch a few times if you see multiple people in solo

[sterile mason]

or get bum rushed by three barbs

[fallen falcon]

loot has felt garbage, and going in gear light has been troublesome - might just be a lack of familiarity with the mobs in there though

[tender cave]

They need a ranked team battle as well. Either 3v3 or 4v4 in the dungeon. It’s over when all of the other team is dead.

[stuck perch]

Or use proximity voice to call out to them.

[fallen falcon]

def fun though

[sweet slate]

fair enough

[fallen falcon]

to be fair, I'd be interested to just see how far they take the whole down portal thing

[stuck perch]

No, this game is about looting and escaping, not killing every last person on the team.

[sweet slate]

true, most people are more likely to team if you can speak

[sterile mason]

solo should be solo zero teaming defeats the purpose

[scenic kettle]

well they cant push it

they not gonna make it fortnite

[sweet slate]

i mean when the game is as difficult as it is, do you really blame them

[fallen falcon]

Only way to push it is to severely limit the amount of out portals in solo

[scenic kettle]

where ucan report

they wanted people to team anyway

[stuck perch]

No, forced solo only queue defeats the purpose of the game and is un-enforceable anyways.

[fallen falcon]

so that you'd have to betray your teammate anyway

[sterile mason]

that would be cool

[scenic kettle]

they kind already did vest

its 4 portals

[fallen falcon]

it'd kinda mean solo is a death sentence if you don't win though

[scenic kettle]

11 players

LOL

[fallen falcon]

Wait they upped it to 11? LOL

oof

[sterile mason]

and 4 guys teaming i dont understand what you miss

[stuck perch]

Even then you'd still get groups of friends queuing together and dropping one's loot so that 1 person can escape with all the loot and exchange it later.

[fallen falcon]

either make loot not as lucrative then, or limit bag space in solo runs? IDK

tbf I don't really mind it

non-issue in my mind, I'll just stick to castle

[sterile mason]

goblins trios

would be nice

[scenic kettle]

yeah today

it got upped to 11

[fallen falcon]

ah must've missed the announcement

[scenic kettle]

they would need to make it bigger

[stuck perch]

Yeah I'll stick to castle for the most part. Too bad they messed it up by changing the spawns and increasing the player density.

[scenic kettle]

regular dungeon got upped to

its 18 now

instead of 16

[fallen falcon]

not horrible

[sweet slate]

the way i see the game is that it is open to how ever you wanna approach the dungeon, you wanna be friendly and try to find a whole other squad of friendlies, then you can do that, wanna absolutely be mean and backstab everyone you can, the game is open and thats why its fun, enforcing no teaming would kill the freedom of the game

[stuck perch]

It's not big enough for 18.

[fallen falcon]

Yeah I'm not sure I'm cool with the middle of the map spawns tbf

liked the edge spawns, and vaguely knowing where the heatzones were on the map on spawn

like, knowing where someone should be

[scenic kettle]

dude said heatzone

this isnt apex

[fallen falcon]

lmaooo you know what I mean

[stuck perch]

The devs also wanted people to team up with fully kitted players and then betray them and steal their items. It's why they put in the karma system.

[scenic kettle]

LOOL

[scenic kettle]

good luck with ur stream today 🙂

[fallen falcon]

I don't stream today wdym looool

tbf it's 3am I'm tripping

game is like crack, dunno why I'm up talking in here at this hour

[sweet slate]

exactly, give players the ability to express their own playstyle, and proxi now being in the game basically is the dev team saying hey its ok to do this, but you may get backstabbed

[sweet slate]

same

[fallen falcon]

I'm going to go be a productive member of society lmao, catch you lot another time maybe

[stuck perch]

I personally don't want the balance of the game tipping too much towards pvp. Yes pvp is an important aspect, but so is pve.

[sweet slate]

later

[fallen falcon]

will say I agree with this, would be cool to see more interesting mobs - more bosses and things

expected the ogre to roam the caves and just murder anyone it found tbf

but yeah, I'm out

[stuck perch]

That and bigger dungeons with more time to pve.

[sweet slate]

yeah, same too. the game currently even with some of the whack balancing does feel pretty balanced on this front

[soft mica]

Play rogue like a rat? Wish smoke bomb turned off torches? #d-and-d-suggestions message upvote if you agree ❤️

[stuck perch]

If they want more players in the dungeon then a bigger dungeon is required. If they don't increase the number of portals, it's still going to force pvp as people fight to extract.

[sweet slate]

mobs are always a threat it feels and if you don't take care of them ahead of time they can be you whole group or your own down fall

[raven badger]

Zones are way too rushed again, team fights are very discouraged. We're rushing through rooms to catch zone, we kill 3 teams, no blue portals to be found in final circles.

[scenic kettle]

i overplayed i think

im getting a lil bored

[soft mica]

@stuck perch i think thats the point, in goblin map theres 5 extracts for 11 players total. in normal map theres like 8 or something for 18 players total and hell extract - still plenty in my eyes

[scenic kettle]

i have like over 80 hours

but i started doing high rollers for the first time and it kinda reignited it

[stuck perch]

That's fine, but you need the room and time to be able to pve enough before you run into most of the players.

[sweet slate]

yeah that will do it, been trying other classes whenever i start feeling the burn get to me

[scenic kettle]

in like my 100+hours of playing i have never died in the main dungeon due to not finding a portal before the circle closes

although in goblin caves

happens

alot

[stuck perch]

More time and room to pve means you're more likely going to get better loot on those players near the end.

[sweet slate]

could be the case of it being more based in players who are playing safe and just sitting towards the center waiting to leave, where as main dungeon most play are usually dead by 5 minutes

[stuck perch]

And to this end, they should add more levels to the maps, it'll lower player density by spreading out the spawns and they can return to the spawns being on the edges.

[soft mica]

@scenic kettle in goblin caves its because portals can be above or below you, as long as you look for portals as soon as they spawn or take permanent stair extract it is fine. guaranteed 4 players would die to pve before player increase. i guess 6 would still die now

[scenic kettle]

servers boutta explode tonight

and tomorrow morning