suggestion-discussion

[fiery ledge]

and make bdsm jokes with your friends and the animation

[upbeat pewter]

artificer?

[fiery ledge]

I mean, I'm sure the two hang out every day.

But one is master the other is blaster.

[long dawn]

That do what it be

[upbeat pewter]

artificer was hinted at, among the long list

no idea how relevant that list is now though

[fiery ledge]

still fawning over psionics

[late scroll]

does ignite work on crossbow

wait

[fiery ledge]

and not fkin BARDS

[open ermine]

never ever tier

[upbeat pewter]

cant see why it wouldnt work.

[fiery ledge]

C'mon, in a world of low fantasy classes, psionic wouldn't be THAT overpowered

Surely someone would kill one, one day.

and think of all the unecessary stats it would add

and all the complications

[open ermine]

i do kinda want to see psionic, just because of that teased P in the list was Pscionic then instead of sorc there's a chance the S was samurai

[upbeat pewter]

doubt they'd do sam over sorc

[fiery ledge]

if they do sam

[long dawn]

Someone said that they are adding every class in 3rd edition DND

[upbeat pewter]

every class in 5e

[fiery ledge]

that'd be kind of insulting

[upbeat pewter]

not 3

[open ermine]

if it's 5e sorc then i agree if it's 3.5e then idk

[upbeat pewter]

theres like 50 3e classes

[fiery ledge]

they want to bridge the cultural gap to a western genre with a japanese motif as korean developers?

samurai would be weird

please no thanks

[long dawn]

Yeah I was about to say. 3e has a pirate

[open ermine]

samurai in 3.5e was basically just a fighter variant with paladin RP flavour

[ebon delta]

samurai actually was a subclass for fighter in 5e i believe

[long dawn]

The current cleric is already a paladin

[open ermine]

i think 3.5e actually had 2 samurai thinking on it, one was a fighter variant then they redid it

[upbeat pewter]

it seems like they want multiclassing to be more of a thing too, which was more a 3.5 thing than 5e

[long dawn]

They just need to let cleric use longsword

[open ermine]

next Dev Q&A someone has to ask them what version they're drawing inspiration from if specific at all just so we have clarification/source finally

[fiery ledge]

Idk, its my own delusion letting me from wanting to see it. I am a purist and like the motif of "stuff you might only see in a castle"

[long dawn]

Well the dev said 3e

[fiery ledge]

also kind of turned off by obsessive fascination over samurai

I just dont want to see Santa in the sewers

Or FNAF

[open ermine]

was it in a Q&A video? cause i can't find it in the cord and nobody ever links to source

[fiery ledge]

https://youtu.be/B_tYY0B3OrA?t=1777

[ebon delta]

I'm sure, if modders ever get their little grabby hands on this game, we will see a lot more then just that)

[fiery ledge]

They never said 3e in that link, just bard, im not going to rely on stuff they said 5 months ago until i start seeing a pattern in 3e and what they're releasing

although considering steam nextfest signups finished in november...

and nextfest is coming up...

they seem to do good with their promises and ball parking

[white cliff]

In one of the QnA’s about classes, they mentioned wanting to add every class from 3e.

[fiery ledge]

There's also a video from @signal lake with some screenshots in the beginning (although for the class side of it, the author who posted it, their name was hidden) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKULTFV9HRM you can watch it here

posted 3 months ago etc

[reef cosmos]

.shortinfo 1560794

[eager sable]

Please provide a valid suggestion ID.

[reef cosmos]

.shortinfo 1560749

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Eliézer Samuel#2217

Wouldn't it be awesome to have that peace of happiness, that rewarding moment when you open a chest and there is an orange glow on the outside border of the item? Easy to spot on the chest and augments the I FOUND IT moment.

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Suggestion ID: 1560749 | Submitted at · Jan 24, 2023, 5:21 PM

[reef cosmos]

Wouldn't it be nice?
It improves the experience

[crimson stag]

Teammates completely forget about checking the room and everyone rushes the chest to try and get it first. Crowded around the chest as skeletons wake up and the invis wizard gets behind your team.

[reef cosmos]

What
I'm not saying to highlight the chest. The item inside the chest, not outside

[signal lake]

Yeah the devs posted the cyrptic class list with only the first letter revealed.

[reef cosmos]

How the hell did you misunderstand that

[fiery ledge]

thank you for the clarification

[signal lake]

Ofc! The class list I have is just a guess but the devs said it was close and have already mentioned bard and druid so we will likely see those 2 released first.

[crimson stag]

I think it would be funny to highlight the chest so that teams can descend into chaos the moment they see it

[fiery ledge]

even more sublime would be if they found a way to even make the purest of us become smeagal

where everyone at all times, even in 3 man teams...

just the slimiest little creature, coveting after their precious loot

like the day i found my first unique on a dead guy in norms

didnt even kill him, just found him dead somewhere

would be nice to walk into a hallway every now and then and see a dead body that you never loot just posted up against the wall and finally after 3000x of skipping him, you see he has a different glow about him

and now, you cant do anything else but walk towards it

BUT ITS BEING CAMPED BY A WINDLASS CROSSBOW ARCHER MAIN WITH 30000 HOURS EVEN AFTER THE GAMES ONLY BEEN OUT FOR A DAY

[granite plinth]

🐒

[white cliff]

Why does a dark dungeon need monkeys?

[vapid minnow]

he was referring to himself

[white cliff]

Thematically that doesn’t make sense.

I’m sure he meant it in the worse way possible knowing his history.

[fiery ledge]

Meanwhile his one piece suggestions.

[upbeat pewter]

Im sure a monkey would fit if there was a jungle based map

[fair copper]

I don’t like sorting my stash ok

[floral flare]

is it possible to get a filter for the suggestions channel that can remove all the suggestions from mrbeanz guy?

if anyone got it please share thanks

[pliant halo]

Braukul also. Maybe mods will lose their patience someday

[floral flare]

its not a moderation issue, just functional intellect requirements.

brain stops functioning for a few minutes after reading dogshit suggestions from these trolls everyday

[fiery ledge]

10 years from now, we'll all be playing one piece with him

[wintry forge]

Dungeons and Dragons has subclasses. Thief is one, Assassin is another. With Rogues current abilities it seems like Assassin is more viable, but maybe Thief will be viable in the future.

[pallid vapor]

how could you forget to mention desolent

[pliant halo]

He got banned afaik

[pallid vapor]

oh shit nice

[pliant halo]

That's why I'm talking about mod patience

[pallid vapor]

for troll suggestions though? or was he trolling in chat

[pliant halo]

#suggestion-discussion message

[wintry forge]

I think he just got timed out and he's not back yet.

[fair copper]

Disco Elysium fan. Nice

[rocky oar]

Lmao

[granite plinth]

Since when was realism a big deal in games? I thought monkeys would be fun mobs?

[pliant halo]

You. Thought. 😂

[granite plinth]

Yeah, and i made a suggestion which apparently no one likes but me

Then i get called a troller?

[rocky oar]

I think what they mean is that it doesn't fit the theme because so far all the mobs have this "Dark" and "Dungeon" theme to it. You be more likely to see bats and snakes than a monkey for instance in such a theme

Spiders as well of course but that is already in the game

Bats are technically in with the DeathBats

[wintry forge]

Not a bad suggestion, but Ironmace is basing their class/enemy types on D&D, so I think they have that covered.

[granite plinth]

It doesnt have to be a chimpanze little brown monkey
There are humanoid black monkies that look like a nightmare like a black haired lion killer monkey

[rocky oar]

I didn't mention the color of the mobs lmao.

[wintry forge]

If there's a D&D monkey enemy type I'm fine with it.

[rocky oar]

D&D has an enemy type for literally everything xD

[granite plinth]

Its their game, they can add and remove mobs

I used to use cars in my dnd campaign because my little brother had a collection

[shell rain]

they can also add Transformers to the game

[wintry forge]

Monkey enemies could be in a Jungle themed map.

[rocky oar]

I want a boss that roams the entire map

how about that

lol

[open ermine]

apes and dire apes exist

[wintry forge]

@granite plinth I gave you an up vote.

[open ermine]

so if someone wants to see joe rogans spirit animal barreling down the hallway at them the possibility exists

[opaque shore]

You could be polite, It would help

[pliant halo]

It wouldn't really. Politeness does not remove trolls

[open ermine]

same, I saw someone suggest a Minotaur before, i personally would like a Grue of some sort

[rocky oar]

Now that would 100% fit the theme

[opaque shore]

Being impolite is a troll action in it of itself

[elfin bloom]

Only fire and acid attacks remove trolls.

[pliant halo]

That's absolutely false

[rocky oar]

[opaque shore]

@granite plinth It would be nice If you kept suggestions to actual suggestions other than useless commentary. This is not a warning but a heads up 🙏

[pliant halo]

Impoliteness means irritation, probably at trolls. Who can be very polite just to stake the fires more and switch the blame

[wintry forge]

Troll definition (Merriam Webster)
a: to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content

c: to harass, criticize, or antagonize (someone) especially by provocatively disparaging or mocking public statements, postings, or acts

2: a person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content

[opaque shore]

Being polite is just education.
The most educated people keep their calm at the most stressful situations.

[rocky oar]

Can't go without some argument every other hour, lol.

[pliant halo]

Education has nothing to to with temperament. Stop swapping concepts

[rocky oar]

This channel is truly built different.

[opaque shore]

Either way, I will take care of trolls. The last MrBeanz suggestion wasn't really a troll one.

[pliant halo]

Thats trolling by stupidity. One of the most basic ones

Then they arrive here and ask "Why no likes?". So obvious it hurts

[opaque shore]

He is not banned but in a time out.

[rocky oar]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Mine is going strong

[opaque shore]

This is not a warning, but please be nice to other users. 🙂

[lusty wren]

I feel this one is a no brainer. I really hope they put something like this in

[granite plinth]

[opaque shore]

.shortinfo 1555988

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Linsung#1789

Unique cosmetic that only players that played in the Alpha get. Shows how far back we go and how we've supported Dark and Darker since Alpha.

Opinion:

+65

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Suggestion ID: 1555988 | Submitted at · Jan 22, 2023, 10:10 AM

[rocky oar]

Bro, I had mad people fighting me on this when I posted it. You should have been there.

[elfin bloom]

What is the rationale behind downvoting an auto-sort button for the stash. Do people think they are getting an edge with their potion and gold bag sorting skills?

[stuck heath]

I made a similar one with the torch having a unique flame and the dates you partook in the alphas etched into the wood.

[lusty wren]

I cannot think of a single reason to not do this

[opaque shore]

I did state my opinion on how I disagree with this before, If It does go through, I hope It isn't one of those crazy cosmetics and just a simple change

[lusty wren]

Didnt know you could do this

[opaque shore]

You know what I would love? If the Alpha cosmetic was literally a different user model

[rocky oar]

It's always something small and that is all I want.

[pliant halo]

Armor identification based on visuals

[lusty wren]

Devs already said they want skins so I think this is moot

[opaque shore]

Yeah, in that context, I would love it, something simple and elegant. I'm all for it.

[pliant halo]

No they didn't

[rocky oar]

I had the idea of a Golden Nameplate that you can turn on and off but, I feel like people will get too triggered by that.

[open ermine]

a way around this would be to just apply cosmetics to grey rarity gear

[lusty wren]

Yes they did, and it doesnt need to be gear. could be a title, could be alot of thigns

[pliant halo]

What's the point then?

[opaque shore]

You know what I would love? A different character model, with a different facial structure and hairstyle.

[pliant halo]

Title. In a game without names displayed

[opaque shore]

Well, not in High Roller unless you die.

Normals you do see other users name in-game while alive.

[stuck heath]

I think is more than a little. A whole model would make people feel heavily alienated.

[rocky oar]

I agree.

[lusty wren]

names are displayed in certain situations. But yes titles 😄

[opaque shore]

A Fighter barely sees the light of day, we never see fully geared Fighters faces, I'd say It's a minor change

[rocky oar]

That's why I said something extremely small. A in-game badge, title, unique color name that shows in lobby, in the kill feed, and when you go and look at someone's body.

[stuck heath]

Someone small that there can be more of. A nameplate on the kill-feed is a good idea. I think my torch idea is simple and small without people feeling too bad since most likely there will be many flame colors.

[opaque shore]

Eh, I don't know, I think nameplates or titles are meh.

I like the idea of a badge though.

[rocky oar]

Exactly

You wouldn't complain about not having it right?

[opaque shore]

I would complain about having it.

[rocky oar]

Cause that was the argument everyone was so set on against me

lmao

[lusty wren]

I like badges, I like titles, I like all that little stuff. I do not see why these things wouldnt be implemented tbh

[rocky oar]

Well I would assume you can turn it off and on

[opaque shore]

If that's the case then yes.

[stuck heath]

A nameplate or title will make someone go "hey that person was in the alpha".
A torch would do the same but also give you the satisfaction of a different cool light in game.
A face model would be similar to the nameplate since you can't see it yourself in game just in loading.

[opaque shore]

That's a genius idea, turn on & off all cosmetics

[rocky oar]

Having a purple torch as well is a cool idea.

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-you-cant-see-me-youre-blind-wrestler-gif-14537197

[stuck heath]

Blue torch is already a thing. They can just choose a color to make unique to playtesters.

[opaque shore]

Where's my black energy torch 👀

[open ermine]

fashion for most people, majority of the games see gray gear, so letting people augment their defaults would be a way to sell cosmetics without disrupting higher end cause i agree with you that visually seeing someones gear is important to gauge them

[stuck heath]

black flame with white outline so it shines a white light? Cool af.

[opaque shore]

Yessir

[pliant halo]

Better suggest tattoos for naked wizards then

[opaque shore]

That might be a little extra but It sounds rad

[rocky oar]

I said Purple for Alpha testers and didn't say blue cause I feel like that will stay in the game for all players to buy. I was just trying to say something that isn't already in the game ya know. Who knows though, maybe the blue torch can be Alpha exclusive.

[white cliff]

40k people on an alpha is kinda a lot, this game has gone beyond play test.

[stuck heath]

I agree with ya. Purple, Red, Green, Black/White. Anything really. An extra cool factor would be if they could etch when you played or how many playtests you took part in, into the wood handle of the torch.

[rocky oar]

I would love Purple though

The Dark Purple look too

[opaque shore]

I would say we're more in the stages of a Beta game than an Alpha game.
This is what I would classify as Alpha Dark and Darker:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehRjARdaK9M

[rocky oar]

The Blue Torch looks so good and I want them to take that same design and color style and make it purple instead

[white cliff]

At this point the cosmetics should be for PT1 only if they’re going to do something like that.

[rocky oar]

PT1?

Oh

Cap, should be for all who played in any playtest from either beginning to the day the game comes out.

[opaque shore]

Playtest 1 had 10k concurrent users I think.

Yeah, peak 11k concurrent players

[stuck heath]

I don't see why they wouldn't make a bunch of colors and sell them. Make the Blue one and some others earnable. While selling maybe cooler color ideas like nessi has. Then choosing a unique for playtesters to have while the devs could have their own color for just them so you know its them in game when you run into them. Kinda like Bungie did with Halo having flaming armor for them only.

[rocky oar]

That would be cool

[granite plinth]

Only??

[elfin bloom]

This is a good idea. Things like special cloaks would also make money and be enjoyable.

[white cliff]

1 million unique players isn’t really an exclusive item lol.

[rocky oar]

It does become it over time

[stuck heath]

Unique non stat having cosmetics is pure profit on their part.

[rocky oar]

People drop games and move on quick

And then new players will come in to play the game

[opaque shore]

It's very unlikely we will have this amount of concurrent players in 6 months

[white cliff]

You create unique things for your small starting player base, 40k for play tests is absurd to be trying something like that.

[wintry forge]

I don't want any exclusive items. That breeds jealousy. Everyone should have a fair chance at getting everything.

[rocky oar]

Regardless, it's still exclusive when people who started playing after the game came out can't get it.

[stuck heath]

Also have to take into account streamers, youtubers and the like that hype it up but will move on to the next thing and so will their audiences. True enjoyers like ourselves will be the "dedicated community".

Saw lot of it this last playtest. We will see if they do it again this next playtest or when it releases on Alpha and full release. I doubt it'll be as huge. Extraction type games are the new thing though so who knows.

[white cliff]

I like exclusive things, it brings worth to something that I would normally arbitrarily assign to it.

[lusty wren]

I do not mind exclusives. I think most people who have issues with it tend to be more entitled types. But I do not see "jealousy" as being a problem personally

[rocky oar]

And to that I say, get over yourself. There are plenty of exclusive things I've missed out on but, I won't make big deal out of it. That's a personal issue on god

[white cliff]

I mean to that I say good, be jealous.

[wintry forge]

I don't need to get over myself. You're asking for Ironmace to add something to make you feel special, that people who join later won't be able to get.

[lusty wren]

What about seasonal rewards? Once a season is over you typically can no longer receive those rewards. What are you thoughts on this?

[rocky oar]

lol

Get him Proxy, GET HIM!

[wintry forge]

I'm pretty sure seasonal rewards are achievement based. Am I wrong about that? What you're asking for is not achievement based.

[elfin bloom]

Ironmace lets us murder our competition (sometimes 3v1) and permanently rob them of their gear. The game does not seem intended for the faint of heart or emotionally delicate gamer.

[opaque shore]

This talk about exclusive vs. not really boils down to subjective appearance

In theory It's less beneficial to the game than it is good. Just because there will always be a divide between users that have it, and users that don't.
I personally dislike exclusive items just because of that divide, It's needless toxicity in many cases.

[lusty wren]

Most seasonal games ive played give things like pets, titles, badges etc.

Or in the case of diablo 3 (which I dislike)) Exclusive and unique items

[wintry forge]

You didn't answer my question. Aren't they achievement based?

[rocky oar]

It's wild because it's always an "IF" argument but most people either don't care or are just like "darn, it is what it is". I've never seen anyone actually get heated over such things when it is actually implemented.

[elfin bloom]

Often the achievement is punching in your credit card number.

[lusty wren]

As in steam achievements? Or you do something to "achieve" them?

[opaque shore]

I like playing a game where you can 100% it at any time.

[wintry forge]

Something to achieve them.

[opaque shore]

Have everything the game has to offer, for example, at any time. Depending on how much you play

[lusty wren]

Of course

[wintry forge]

This I don't have a problem with.

[rocky oar]

But then it's no longer possible to get it.

[opaque shore]

Making easy items exclusive is just eh. It's needless

[rocky oar]

So what about the people who start playing after that season ends?

[wintry forge]

Just being a part of the playtests isn't an achievement. It takes no skill to get.

[lusty wren]

Receiving say a TITLE for being involved in the PT's is not an achievement though?

It was in fact a thing done successfully 😄

[rocky oar]

I don't know why people like you gotta turn something so simple into the dumbest argument ever. It has been proven that people like having such things and that is why video game companies continue to do it or else they wouldn't waste such precious resources doing it.

[opaque shore]

A locked title for all the new users, that is

[elfin bloom]

Dota has tons of exclusive cosmetics. The point is to give players a sense of urgency and exploit their fear of missing out, so they pay up and buy the gamepass, or cosmetics, etc.

[rocky oar]

This is a bit different, lol.

[lusty wren]

Correct a title that requires a certain achievement such as participating in the PT 😄

[opaque shore]

I don't see how some of you don't see issue with Exclusive items, because barebones It is a needless addition

[wintry forge]

So award the top 100 players from the playtests a title. Don't give it to everyone that was a part of it.

[lusty wren]

How else do you do seasonal rewards without making everything samey?

If every season has the same rewards that is going to get old fast

[rocky oar]

Seasons are literally the same thing.

[opaque shore]

You don't. You do cosmetics people earn, not cosmetics people could have gotten.

[rocky oar]

I can actually get behind that btw.

[lusty wren]

So you just have the same rewards every season?

[lusty wren]

This would be a fine suggestion also.

[opaque shore]

Different rewards, new content that you can also unlock regardless of when you made your account.

[brisk stratus]

its not even that deep lmao

[rocky oar]

Just take the top 100 of every season they have done for all of the Alpha tests and give them all their own titles

[rocky oar]

On god

[opaque shore]

I have been in the internet and in gaming for a decade and a half.
It is that deep, but only experience with it shows.

[rocky oar]

People getting jealous over an in-game title is wild to me

[lusty wren]

So if the new seasons have different rewards. What sort of system would you implement to ensure people could go backwards in time essentially to gain these rewards? Or do you plan to just keep all rewards in and have the game bloat over time with countless rewards constantly popping out of everything? 😄

[opaque shore]

It's not about jealousy, It's about locked content.

[opaque shore]

Yes, the more content, the better.
One of the reasons I love Warframe.

There are a very small amount of exclusives in Warframe, and I'm glad they kept it that way.

[lusty wren]

Warframe also does not do seasonal wipes 😄

[brisk stratus]

I was saying its not that deep due to my experience as well. I've seen multiple games use the title system/charms for different seasons or whatever as a reward and guess what people do.... grind for them.

[rocky oar]

Probably why he plays it

[opaque shore]

That's not excuse to lock content?

[lusty wren]

How do you reward a player for seasonal wipes?

[open ermine]

Warframe also undid their exclusives

[elfin bloom]

I don't see anything unfair about exclusives. Anybody can buy the game and earn it during the required time period, or not. It's accessible until it's not for everyone equally. Most things in life are way less egalitarian than this.

[open ermine]

with the exception of founders stuff to my memory

rip CBT crew

[opaque shore]

Yup. Most games that the devs actually care about do these,

[lusty wren]

At the end of seasons the player typically is rewarded with SOMETHING

Even as meaningless as a title

or a badge

or a pet

that does nothing

[brisk stratus]

rocket league does that too

[opaque shore]

That doesn't have to be exclusive

[lusty wren]

How do you go back and participate in that SEASON to gain the reward?

[brisk stratus]

you dont lmao you missed it

better luck next time

[lusty wren]

just like in every other game

I want the Season 2 badge.... well did you play season 2? No?....

LOL

[brisk stratus]

sucks

we cant always get what we want

[lusty wren]

I mean it doesnt even suck it just is what it is. I dont expect a trophy for a thing I did not complete

[brisk stratus]

exactly

[rocky oar]

Let me tell ya something. Exclusives exist because it gives them something that others don't. Same as being Top 100 and getting a title for a season. It gives a sense of accomplishment no matter how small or how big it is. If everything was always obtainable, people would not be as happy about going for them because other people will have it as well and it would feel extremely lame seeing so many people have the same reward. The only except to this rule is rewards for very high gamers such as Challenger in LoL where it's the top .1% or something like that and it's impossible for everyone to get to that point and get it cause only so many people can be in that top .1%. That's just an example.

[lusty wren]

Now, you could implement something like Conquers Blade does. Where you can select the "season" challenges and complete them. But during that time you cannot complete any other seasonal challenges

[open ermine]

honestly i like exclusives almost expressly for the myth and legends aspect it creates, seeing people with them when it's spread thin enough is neat

[opaque shore]

There's no need for those rewards to be exclusive;
Your point is that "seasonal" rewards with wipes should be exclusive because the other players weren't there to play it, therefore causing a Paradoxical content loop where every reward from that season must be only for that season.
You can get your trophy, without locking it for other users, by simply making it actually Seasonal instead of "seasonal", every year has 4 quarters; next year the same 4 quarters rewards return, but with extras, this is how you easily implement a non-toxic / non-content locking into a "Seasonal" game. You get new rewards but users that missed out on the last 4 quarters, can also get them with even more rewards.

[rocky oar]

I love exclusive as well. You see someone rocking some cool cosmetic from way back then and be like "Dang, you have been playing since that far back" or if it's something like top 100 in season 1 and you are currently in season 10 you go "Dang, you were TOP 100 in season 1!!"

[elfin bloom]

The need is people like them and it makes the devs more money. Nobody is arguing the game dev police will imprison them if they don't put exclusives in the game.

[brisk stratus]

facts

[lusty wren]

No imagine this hypothetical from other games.

If you played season 2 and completed x objectives you got a badge that has a 2 on it.

This signifies you completed season 2. What sense would it make to now in season 3. Give people both the 2 and the 3 badge.

[brisk stratus]

but why

[rocky oar]

Same goes when people beat the hardest boss during a raid tier in WoW and you can no longer get the CE Title after the current raid patch ends.

[open ermine]

yup back in like 05 era maplestory i remember seeing people with those CBT bandanas they had and just chatting with them learning how the game was even further back, was great time

[rocky oar]

I hate to say this but, Nessi, your the odd one out. Way more people like exclusives than dislike it.

[brisk stratus]

I never played wow but thats how it should be

[opaque shore]

Cosmetics in this game are likely not to be tied with the usual game-loop of "Seasonal" as you expect from any major popular game nowadays.
The wipes which will happen in Dark and Darker will probably not have a count to it, therefore completely excusing any need for numbers.
Cosmetic rewards that return every year, is just a better way to do it, because It creates hype for newer users too, who can wait a few months to get their favorite gear instead of having to be feeling like they missed out on something fun.

[plain knot]

I think a cool way to gain items/cosmetics/content would be a gold "donation". If the player donates like 10,000 gold they would receive x... If the community donates 10,000,000 we would receive a new map. Just a thought

[rocky oar]

Cutting Edge (CE) Title is when you defeat the hardest boss on the hardest mode in a raid within that current raid patch. Once the next raid patch comes out for the new raid to release, then CE is no longer obtainable. Just for reference for ya

[open ermine]

Ahead of the curve stuff?

honestly thought that was a good incentive for the raid scene

[rocky oar]

CE is for Mythic difficulty and AotC is for Heroic difficulty.

[opaque shore]

Title / Name / Badge exclusives are just fine, but something that's like, a blue torch or a different hairstyle or a different armor piece, those should definitely not be content-locked ever

[open ermine]

kept it alive even during the end point of an expac, when players started peetering out so there was always someone actively doing that

[brisk stratus]

hell yeah thats dope

[rocky oar]

There are also titles for entire Guilds to clear the entire raid on Mythic within the raid patch and do within like the top 100 or something like that.

[lusty wren]

The Title / Name / badge is all that shoudl be exclusive I agree. The thing that signifies you completed that season. Its accomplishment based. And if you missed season 2 you cant really just go back in time

[rocky oar]

It was per faction though, so the horde side was kinda scuffed because WoW is horde heavy and that top 100 guild clear fills up quick vs the alliance side.

[open ermine]

honestly one thing WoW has done pretty well per expac is exclusive content goals, even though im probably done with it forever i'm still glad i got the werebear druid form back in legion

[brisk stratus]

you keep bringing that up lmao. you missed out who cares have fun with the game thats not what matters

[opaque shore]

If we can agree on this then we are on the same page. Title / Name / Badge exclusives are nice, niche and cute, instead of something that would simply lock content. I agree entirely.

[rocky oar]

Bro, I have the Monk Challenge set from MoP. Look at my profile icon. It's my Panda Monk wearing that set.

[opaque shore]

Just think of appearance cosmetics being exclusive the same as DLC.
They're both content locked behind something.

[rocky oar]

Sadly I quit WoW too because Blizzard is dumb and I can't stand them anymore

[opaque shore]

Apparently their new expansion is "Decent" I've heard

[rocky oar]

It doesn't matter though

[open ermine]

same, played shadowlands for 1 month just to see if they managed to fix everything form BfA and it was an absolute mess

[rocky oar]

Their new expac can be their best expac ever but, blizzard has spit in the communities faces over and over and most people refuse to go back cause of it

And I've heard the new expansion is actually really good for once, but that hole they dug is a little to deep atm.

[open ermine]

yeah i was tempted just for the talent tree revamp, but nah

[rocky oar]

Also, I kinda missed most of that argument but, screw that argument. I love exclusive cosmetics as well! I love my freaking Monk Challenge Mode set from MoP that no one else can ever get again unless they got it at that time!!!

[open ermine]

Ashes of creation would probably send this argument into orbit tbh

[rocky oar]

Lol

[open ermine]

they've been doing monthly/bi monthly exclusive cosmetics sales for like a year or so now

[agile condor]

You mean like 3 years lol

4 or 5 actually?

[open ermine]

did they start doing it that long ago?

[agile condor]

First pack was Dec 2017

[open ermine]

wow that is a lot of exclusive skin sets lmao

[agile condor]

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Voyager_pre-order_pack:_Dec_2017_-_Feb_2018#History

[wintry forge]

@finite tide Why?
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[fair copper]

Back in the day it was alliance sided

[rocky oar]

Was that because of exclusive classes and races

[opaque shore]

To each their own.
Statistically It's better to not have them but preferences are a hard thing to change after you've been played over and over by companies.

[wintry forge]

I'm not sure Ironmace likes exclusives. They don't want to exploit their customers like other "casino" devs. Seems like exploitation to me, but we'll see what they think.

[rocky oar]

Who says I am being played? I'm getting enjoyment out of it so how is that me being played?

[opaque shore]

You only get enjoyment out of it because of how you grew up with games, I grew out of it pretty late in my years.
I would use to think I'm the "coolest guy out there" for having virtual items that are non-tangible to real life until I realized how much of a waste of time that was.

[rocky oar]

What games did you grow up with?

I grew up with gamecube, n64, and from their to xbox and playstation and played tomb raider, devil may cry, halo, gears of war, and CoD. Early CoD btw, pre-Ghost era.

[opaque shore]

I grew up with a PS2 only. The rest was entirely on PC.

[rocky oar]

I didn't even play PC games let alone MMOs till I was in 9th grade.

[opaque shore]

Maybe you have the opposite of what I do; You were sent into a total different realm from before so you thought It was the most innovative fun

[rocky oar]

I don't complicate it. I see something cool and I think it's cool. It does no matter to me if I can't get it or not. If anything, I think it's cool that the person has something to show off with that I can't get. Same goes to me, I like having something that others can't get either. Feels good having something like that and having people say that it's cool. People will always point out something exclusive that you have which makes you as the player that has the exclusive appreciate it even more.

Getting a hit of that dopamine if ya know what I mean.

[opaque shore]

I've been experiencing exclusives since I was very young, It's needless. It's just a braggadocious, irrelevant cosmetic that no one really cares about.
Titles/Badges are okay because they aren't braggadocious by nature.
No one goes out there with Nitro and says "Haha I have Early supporter badge" as a joke, but there sure are thousands of Nitro users that brag about having animated profile pictures.

[rocky oar]

Well, if no one cared for it, then companies wouldn't waste resources on it now would they

[opaque shore]

You know what's really cool? Something you can call cool because you worked hard for it.

[rocky oar]

Both are cool

[opaque shore]

Well, let me rephrase: No sane adult considers virtual items important

[rocky oar]

LMAO

Non of us are sane then

[opaque shore]

My apologies, I meant no offense.

[rocky oar]

Nah man, you in the same boat

[opaque shore]

Which boat?

[rocky oar]

The insane one

[lusty wren]

I mean in the context of the game getting "trophies" for accomplishments is pretty important

[opaque shore]

Honestly, most games I play now I barely care about achievements, they're nice to get but I don't sweat in games for years now.

[wintry forge]

I have no problem with skill-based awards, as long as people don't use them to show off and make others feel inferior. That's where the problem lies.

[lusty wren]

In the context of the game how does one do this?

[rocky oar]

Man, I've like legit don't run into this.

[opaque shore]

There is a huge overlook in here most of the time over braggadocious toxicity because they are simply used to ignoring other users, which is fair but not everyone feels the same way as them

[lusty wren]

I just don't understand how they can do this in the game

[open ermine]

closest example i can think of is linking a clear achievement in WoW as proof you have exp for w/e content you applied for

[rocky oar]

How is that making someone feel less though?

[open ermine]

idk it's the closest thing i can think of

[rocky oar]

You are just showing you have experience within the content.

[opaque shore]

You can show that without making it exclusionary.

[open ermine]

i've never seen toxicity of any form for exclusive skins/titles outside of potential jests, clear titles sure but yeah exactly it's a sign you have done it beforehand and reasonable for some people to check for it

[rocky oar]

Yea

[opaque shore]

I've seen a lot. Mainly MMO's and popular titles

[rocky oar]

I just don't understand where this even comes from.

[opaque shore]

It's a matter of experience, you're simply disregarding mine entirely because of yours, you know?

[rocky oar]

I've played WoW for so long and I legit never seen this

Who are you hanging around that you see this non-stop is my question

[opaque shore]

I do wish I could've picked my friends better when I was 13 years old 😭

[open ermine]

i've played so many mmos over the past 20 years and i just have never seen a singular instance of a skin being used to gatekeep anything

[opaque shore]

That's pretty crazy to me, as much as others experience is crazy to you.

[rocky oar]

Like, I've never had friends do this and I've never met randoms do this either. All I ever do is play with randoms too when I played WoW. I've guild hopped so much in the game and playing on the most Pop servers

[opaque shore]

There's no point in me speaking about it anymore.

[rocky oar]

People don't go out of their to gatekeep or belittle someone else for not having an in-game title.

It's just not a thing

[open ermine]

the closest i can think of actually might be in archeage actually, whales in there could be snobbish with their cosmetics, but they still never went lie "Oh no spoonlord outfit? no raid night for you" levels of insanity

[rocky oar]

You have to have such a horrible freaking ego to even think of doing that

[plain knot]

^

[rocky oar]

Listen Nessi, I am not discrediting you. I believe you, there are always exceptions to everything in life. However, your experience is not the majority.

[opaque shore]

Therefore It should be disregarded entirely?
When literally It's needless for anything other than bragging rights?

As I've stated before, It's a much better game without any content being locked.
It's just a good thing to not have locked content is most cases.

[rocky oar]

At what point did I say your point was invalid? Please, go ahead and quote me.

[fair copper]

Do you main Yasuo Linsung

[rocky oar]

OMFG, I use to have a Yasuo hoody and played him bro

However

I mainly played Ahri

[fair copper]

Thank you for taking my survey

[rocky oar]

Lol

[fair copper]

#hordegang

[rocky oar]

I actually was Alliance btw

[open ermine]

i bounced between the two

[rocky oar]

I went Horde in Shadowlands purely because my guild went Horde so I was kinda forced to go.

[opaque shore]

Once Alliance, always Alliance. Traitor!

[open ermine]

rip i typically stick to pugging for larger scale content, so i never had to exp the old move with the guild horros

[opaque shore]

😝

[fair copper]

Horde cooler. We have undead

[rocky oar]

I got Sire CE though, top 3 final boss in my opinion.

[opaque shore]

I'm too much of a goody two shoes to pick evil in games. I like the good themed sides always better.

[fair copper]

I side with Legion in fallout new vegas

[open ermine]

LFG kil'jaeden in legion probably still my favorite i'll never forget how bad all those runs were for just bloody LFG difficulty

[surreal river]

Is there any validity to the early access in April

[rocky oar]

Bruh

That is possibly one of the most over-tuned bosses in the history of WoW

SO bad to the point that it made the World First raiders stop raiding until Blizzard fixed it.

It was literally mathematically impossible from what I remember until they nerfed the dang fight

[open ermine]

it was phenomenal

Most lfg groups would just start and wipe after a certain point to get the pity stacks for stat boosts to make it reasonable

[rocky oar]

Lol

I started raiding in SoO

[open ermine]

god forbid when tank #2 shows up and doesnt understand tank #1 so wipes would happen cause they'd never switch off

honorable shoutout to that one boss in cartoonnetwork tower though, the 3 vampires with the DDR minigame

[rocky oar]

Bro

[wintry forge]

Don't know.

[rocky oar]

Let me show you my favorite World First kill ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jQYObKTIG8&ab_channel=Method

The ending is insane

[open ermine]

the absolute release

[rocky oar]

Lol

[white cliff]

@wintry forge This is a game with wizards, invisibility, fireballs, and living skeletons, arrow realism doesn’t really need to be a concern.

[rocky oar]

And there it goes

mod deletes it

[white cliff]

Balance > realism.

[plain knot]

agreed

[wintry forge]

Realism=balance

[white cliff]

No.

That isn’t remotely true.

[wintry forge]

Agree to disagree.

[plain knot]

bruh i would stub my foot the first door in and cry on the floor for like 20 minutes while the bug swarm consumes me

[white cliff]

They’re magic arrows, suspend your disbelief.

If you can do it for flying bat skeletons you can do it for arrows.

[rocky oar]

He's right lets put realism in the game so that a giant mass of fire kills you instantly when hit

While we are at it let make magic not a thing anymore so that everyone has to use a stick.

[white cliff]

True.

[plain knot]

i love sticks

[rocky oar]

No more walking skeletons and wraiths

Actually, lets just remove anything that's fun from the game

[plain knot]

no more portals. we are stuck

[rocky oar]

Rouges can't hide either

[plain knot]

dont forget the blink button or else your eyes will get dry

[rocky oar]

And you know what

Let's just get rid of the dungeons entirely and live normal lives and get actual day to day jobs in game

Dungeon aren't real anyway

[plain knot]

i love paying taxes and working a 9-5

[white cliff]

Based and 9-5 pilled.

[finite tide]

@wintry forge Game too ez

[wintry forge]

They could have arrow damage, sharp-weapon damage, and blunt-weapon damage. The different armor types could have resistances to different types of attacks.

[white cliff]

Sure, not what you suggested though.

[rocky oar]

lol

[white cliff]

Also I’m honestly fine with the game the way it is.

[plain knot]

same

[white cliff]

I like the loop, I don’t need any complicated systems like weight, stamina, or fall damage.

It’s different but simple.

And I like it.

[white cliff]

Or an arrow penetration system.

[plain knot]

getting too complicated hurts a game in my opinion. Harder to get into

[wintry forge]

Game too simple.

[white cliff]

Games can be simple.

Simplicity is fun.

[rocky oar]

"I'm a intellectual and I need my games to require quantum physics for me to enjoy" herpa derpa derp

[wintry forge]

You convinced me. I gave you an up vote.

[wintry forge]

Not usually for me. Simplicity is boring.

[white cliff]

Go play dwarf fortress then.

Or the myriad of other endlessly complex games.

[finite tide]

hell yeah make the dungeon great again

[pallid vapor]

I just want heavy armor to have more phys less resist, light to have more resist less phys and medium to be equal. We don’t need blunt/piercing/slashing in this game

[wintry forge]

I haven't played it, but I thought Dungeons and Dragons was complex.

[white cliff]

Is it?

[sharp sparrow]

its not

[open ermine]

it's not really complex there's just a lot of content i'd say

[rocky oar]

Is this Dungeons and Dragons?

[finite tide]

no this is D&D

[rocky oar]

They are literally just pulling class ideas and some monsters

This is not DnD

[white cliff]

I mean the mobs are from a UE pack.

[wintry forge]

Ironmace is trying to make this feel like Dungeons and Dragons FPS.

[pallid vapor]

They’ve said they are heavily inspired by d&d

[rocky oar]

Where's my Golden Dessert Eagle then?

[white cliff]

Arrows do no damage to plate in DnD?

[open ermine]

golden antimatter rifle*

[sharp sparrow]

they do

[white cliff]

I don’t remember that mechanic.

Crazy.

[rocky oar]

lol

[white cliff]

Make suggestions that would make the game better, not shape it into the game you want. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[wintry forge]

That's what I'm doing.

[pallid vapor]

Unless that’s pre 5e I don’t think that’s true. But it could be

[white cliff]

You think making arrows do no damage because of realism makes the game better and not the needlessly complex one you want?

I would disagree.

[sharp sparrow]

Also, the realism argument really doens't hold up in a game where my wizard kills animated skeletons with fireballs.

[white cliff]

Yeah I already said that.

[wintry forge]

I just made one suggestion. You can suggest something about fireballs killing skeletons not being realistic.

[rocky oar]

No

You can suggest that

[white cliff]

And this is the channel to discuss said suggestion?

[rocky oar]

Because you are the one to bring up realism

[white cliff]

Confused cleric emote.

[rocky oar]

And guess what, we are all gonna disagree

[white cliff]

You know what they say about four out of five dentists.

The fifth one is in my basement.

[rocky oar]

Lol wtf

[white cliff]

[rocky oar]

Hey lets ban WTF while we're at. F is in there

[sharp sparrow]

Why would I suggest something that would be bad for the game?
Gameplay > realism all day

[wintry forge]

I was just replying to your idea. Let's agree to disagree.

[ionic mango]

lets make wizard only be able to hit melee with his staff, for realism purposes

[rocky oar]

[sharp sparrow]

My "Idea" holy shit brother.
I was pointing out how silly the idea of striving for realism in this game would be.

[white cliff]

Again, this is the discussion channel.

Feel free to explain said idea.

[ionic mango]

Jkidd, which country u from

or which server do u play, is a better question

[rocky oar]

Africa

[white cliff]

South African people’s Union.

NA east.

@ionic mango

[ionic mango]

aight just curious

[wintry forge]

Your idea is not silly. Bones get destroyed in fire.
https://eforensics.info/learning_module/fire-damage/#:~:text=Fire Damage Fire damage is typical in forensics,change in coloration%2C which follows a distinct pattern.

[ionic mango]

Where is the fire coming from?

[wintry forge]

I'm just asking for more realistic damage to enemies.

Not for the entire game to be realistic.

[ionic mango]

But if the realism u want to add is a super major nerf to ranger that would make him somewhat useless, why?

[wintry forge]

Not every class can wear plate armor, so Ranger can do well against those classes. Ranger would need to be effective in melee also to deal with enemies in plate armor. It makes the game more interesting.

[ionic mango]

but the flimsy ranger dagger/short sword would also do nothing to plate

[cursive kayak]

No bad idea and I'm a fighter rangers aren't even that big of a issue for fighters

[ionic mango]

especially not used by someone not trained in strenght and whatnot

[cursive kayak]

I Just rush them and bait their ability

[fiery ledge]

Since we're talking about rangers... how much do any of you know about the damage for them and the defensive capabilities of T0 to essentially BIS for -Phys Dam Received?

[cursive kayak]

They even have to reload now giving u a window to rush them without having to worry about block/dodging their arrows

[fiery ledge]

calm down haseeb, average player has the game sense of hellen keller

[pseudo wing]

ya after that 15th arrow they need to reload once which takes 2 seconds. what a weak class 🙂

[fiery ledge]

18th*

[cursive kayak]

Depends on the bow

[fiery ledge]

People use the recurve or survival?

brb gotta puke

[rocky oar]

Long bow

[fiery ledge]

yea, ergo 18

double lbow = 18

6+6+quick fire reload

although i'd never run that

windlass and lbow for me

Hell, you could even do 24

double lbow and quick fire/volley

then anim cance

for the arrow return

[ionic mango]

u can do 36

if u ask ur cleric friend to drop u 2 more bows once uve fired urs

[fiery ledge]

assuming I would ever use that junk bow

oh

lol

yea, i could do that too

if i ever brought a cleric with me

too busy shooting my other 2 archer friends in the back

You see... we cut down every tree in the forest and brought them as arrows with us.

[cursive kayak]

Fighter skills need to be changed only 3 are good

[fiery ledge]

You mean the perks?

Or the skills

[cursive kayak]

Skills

[fiery ledge]

elaborate so I can banter with you? I've got some thoughts on it myself

[cursive kayak]

Break through is so bad no reason to take it over sprint so the only time you would use is to combine with sprint

[white cliff]

Rogue hidden belt has entered the chat.

[cursive kayak]

Even than no one uses it anyway cuz second wind is to good to replace

[fiery ledge]

Hm... What if Breakthrough had a fast ramping movement speed buff?

something to counter the stopping power of an arrow

and the slow it might inflict

[cursive kayak]

Idk I think it should just last way longer it lasts for 6 seconds rn I think and I think that's less than sprint

[fiery ledge]

its not supposed to be longer than a quarter of a second or so, something to reward the player for countering the arrow

and punish you sort of if you miss the arrow damage you would take

[cursive kayak]

How long does sprint last for

[fiery ledge]

From the regular sprint spell or from the thing I'm proposing?

[cursive kayak]

The normal 1

[fiery ledge]

iirc like 3 seconds or so

I can go count it right now

I've got recordings of it

[cursive kayak]

K do it

Also the skill that speeds up fighter attack speed by 25% as soon as it ends it gives a nerf that slows u down

The nerf can be removed by second wind but most of the time it would be a waste and you only have 1 use to make it count so if u in back to back fights using the skill to speed up attacks might get u killed

[fiery ledge]

6 seconds

[cursive kayak]

Just remembered it's called adrenaline rush

I think the nerf from adrenaline rush should be canceled out as long as breakthrough is applied

[fiery ledge]

That depends on how they have it coded because last pt you could cure the skeleton physical damage debuff.

If its hard written into the stats and not as a "tool tip" buff or something, then most likely not

ill see if adrenal rush shows up as a debuff 1 sec

[cursive kayak]

Idk what ur talking about

When Adrenaline rush ends u get a debuff that can be removed by second wind

[fiery ledge]

Just found it. Yeah it shows up above your name as a red debuff.

It can be cured, nvm.

dont quote me on that, they might change that

[cursive kayak]

Break through should be able to get rid of the debuff it would make adrenaline rush more viable since you can use the skills multiple times do you can reliably get rid of the debuffs

[fiery ledge]

And you're saying that you verified that it doesn't do that?

[cursive kayak]

It says specifically that you can get rid of debuff with second wind

[fiery ledge]

maybe it was lazy writing on their part, next test just load a character in and suicide a few seconds after

it wouldnt make sense to me for it to cancel it out if it were sprint burst being used and not breakthrough

breakthrough, according to its descriptor value, only effects "movement speed debuffs". Not movement and attack speed.

but i cant see the rest of the true statement so shrug

[white cliff]

I don’t really think it was lazy writing, this game was a game in play test that blew up basically.

The models are bought from the UE store.

[fiery ledge]

And here's why you pump out bad ideas

skeleton debuff is curable

breakthrough works on speed debuffs in its descriptor but sprint burst can cure adrenal rush

sprint burst is not a cure

on top of that, they've let us know their feelings on the spells and the games release

You can tell me its not lazy writing but they slapped it together as a concept ship/placeholder of whats to come and i can see some of the cut corners

and theres nothing wrong with that

moreover, what do the models being bought from the store have to do with their coding for the spells and how they effect their stats/debuffs/etc?

jesus christ, you're like mr beanz

you need a block

[ripe pawn]

4 player game mode please

[native cedar]

Pass

[fiery ledge]

Didnt we just have this talk yesterday?

I swear to god my alzheimers is acting up

[wintry forge]

Yes to 4-player in current game mode. The devs said they were considering it.

[verbal marsh]

Slows and roots were just introduced pt2, you can't say breakthrough is useless yet lol.

for all you know spells wont do as much dmg but the crowd control may last longer next time lol

be cc meta

if they took away invis move and extended slow duration you can bet breakthrough would be useful lol

just sayin no telling whether it is or not.

[fiery ledge]

I dont think he was saying it was useless.

I can't have too much of an opinion on it anyways because I play classes that never experience that problem or usually die before it gets there and I wouldn't be using that spell anyways.

[verbal marsh]

if slow lasted a spell charges duration I may use it instead of invis as a low cost surpression spell

[fiery ledge]

By slow, you mean ice strike or...?

[verbal marsh]

there is an actual spell called slow.

[fiery ledge]

Oh thats right

[open ermine]

yeah he means "Slow" as in the spell

[fiery ledge]

I just saw its icon

And remembered why I dont remember it

Its not my playstyle, not because of its worth as a spell

[verbal marsh]

basically if they made it an arcane spell to benefit from arcane mastery it would be good.

[fiery ledge]

Because it would be a root?

Essentially

[verbal marsh]

because you could insta cast it and get a 2nd spell off during it so yeah.

[fiery ledge]

ah, - 1 sec cast speed on arc spells

[verbal marsh]

it would be a more challenging style to play wizard.

[fiery ledge]

a technician's wizard

[verbal marsh]

no more invis stabby stabby

[fiery ledge]

chess/checkerboard wizard

[verbal marsh]

yeah it would just give you time if your ready for someone to play your move lol

but they'd also need to nerf haste by takign it off arcane mastery lol

[fiery ledge]

In regards to technical wizard, I think thats a fun concept because of how much time i've spent dueling in games like mord and chivalry for the last 11 years ~ would be healthy for the gaming community i think

to have that "flexible" of a class

but i think as it stands, the game isnt ready for it

poor fighters and barbs gonna get shazbotted even harder

the whole "sprint burst" and "breakthrough" conversation and needing a buff might rear itself again

[verbal marsh]

lol

[fiery ledge]

towards the end of the last pt

[verbal marsh]

only thing I didnt like about fighter was block and still being slowed by arrows

[fiery ledge]

i saw triple fighter with bow comps

[verbal marsh]

in full plate.

its like really?

[fiery ledge]

Did you make a suggestion for it? Thats a nice idea.

[verbal marsh]

i tried to do a sprint breakthrough build

[fiery ledge]

If armor penetration doesn't exceed target stopping power negation which is effected by some >/=% value, target cannot be slowed

[verbal marsh]

i avoided the fighter heal my entire playthrough

fighter felt weak for me.

[fiery ledge]

I felt the opposite for fighter, until i ran into barbarian

[verbal marsh]

two things I refused to use this playtest were, second wind and weapon mastery

I tried to master the longsword, shield, and tank builds for fighter

[fiery ledge]

Ah, yeah no ~ I did combo attack/sprint burst/victory strike on LS

I think I need to bring a halbred to verse felling axe

[verbal marsh]

sprint with vitory was fun with spear against naked but no fun in real games.

[fiery ledge]

and maintain distance against barbs

I could run away and do an overhead

hit the barb as he chases me

look up to put my trace vector towards the floor, etc..

How was spear really? I saw it one shot some rogues

[gloomy cradle]

I just don't want them to go the WoW route with wizards where you basically choose which damage type your doing and then you have to pick the most efficient perks or no one will play with you.

[fiery ledge]

That has nothing to do with the developers and everything to do with the players.

[open ermine]

i mean just prove them wrong

[fiery ledge]

Its also why I dont play MMORPGs

Its a genre for people who atypically suck at pvp

like my grandma

[gloomy cradle]

I want the DnD style of wizard where you can be like an Abjuration wizard or Illusionist, etc. etc.

[verbal marsh]

people already do that if you ever listen to talk amongst ogs

[fiery ledge]

Meanwhile, not in their little tree house club, the rest of the world ~ living happily.

If thats how they want to have fun, and if this is how we want to have fun

[verbal marsh]

lol nwn even had pvp meta spells amongst wizards

[fiery ledge]

Ah yes, with the super comprehensive and very detailed and deep wizard tree

all those spells

[verbal marsh]

magic missile is always king.

[fiery ledge]

must be hard to make a meta.

in a world where your only weapon is a stick or a gun

stick meta?

[verbal marsh]

stick meta.

[fiery ledge]

Guess you're right. Gonna go take this time to think about what a stupid head I've been.

[verbal marsh]

ultima online had the best spells for mage.

everything was useful

[native cedar]

I find it amusing when people bring up "realism" into their suggestions about a fantasy game that isn't remotely trying to be realistic.

[verbal marsh]

gondalf had a gun

[soft relic]

Hold on. You mean to tell me you don't leave the tavern, venture down into crypts to fight undead and murder other adventurers to take their shinies, while looking around for a blue portal to escape from on a regular basis?

[glacial crest]

#d-and-d-suggestions message make it goblin themed i beg that would be so cool

[soft relic]

(I love when people bring up realism issues like rogue invisibility or ranger's unlimited arrows in a game with wizards and undead) 🤣

[wintry forge]

It would benefit from being more realistic.

[soft relic]

Kinda depends. Realism in some ways works. Like heavier weapons swing slower.

Realism in other ways takes away from the game, because it is fantasy. Can't have rogues stealthing or wizards at all without some breaking of realism.

Realism in some ways would break the game. Like full plate armor actually behaving like real full plate armor. Essentially impervious to swords or arrows.

[wintry forge]

Well, I know they're trying to copy Dungeons and Dragons in a way, so I hope they keep doing that. At the same time, if they can find ways to make some aspects more realistic I'd like that too.

[waxen bone]

Realism often isn't fun 🙂

[plain knot]

outside has tons of realism tbh. Ive been there a few times in-between playtests and ive had a blast interacting with the cool rtx graphics and blades of grass

[slate tartan]

Yeah, not many people play games for realism

[soft relic]

Yeah. I do think that plate armor needs a massive buff to be viable in high gear PvP. I don't think they could make it function as well as real plate armor and have it be balanced, though. The way combat works would need a massive overhaul, and it would end with everyone playing fighter in a fine cuirass haha.

[waxen bone]

Some fighter gear was as high as 70% damage reduction lol, those are don't starve numbers

[wintry forge]

There are plenty of games made for players that like realism.

[soft relic]

I was 2 shotting fighters in full purple/orange plate with a dagger, and our ranger was doing it from across rooms with a bow. Damage reduction was irrelevant in high end PvP, but great at low gear PvP or PvE.

[native cedar]

Bro you can can change strafing directions mid air. Stop with the realism. You know sims exist right?

[solar glade]

Damage Rogues < Thief Chad Rogues

[waxen bone]

That doesn't sound like a fighter problem lol

[waxen bone]

I love air strafing. I didn't even know that this game had the air strafing lol

[soft relic]

It was a plate problem. Damage outscaled the usefulness of plate armor, sadly

[wintry forge]

Yeah, I like sims. Isn't this supposed to be a hardcore dungeon-crawling sim?

[waxen bone]

Thank you for literally telling me why it wasn't the plate armor that was a problem lol

[soft relic]

Why not do both? 😛

[solar glade]

I wish thief rogue was actually viable

[native cedar]

I don't think you understand the definition of a sim as a video game genre. Dark and Darker is way more arcade than sim.

[solar glade]

would be cool if you guys could read the most recent suggestion :)

[plain knot]

I hope with the skill training tree thingy it will be

[solar glade]

^

Its just too weak currently at its base, it looks like they want rogue to be a either thief/assassin

so I made some suggestions that looks like it could be in line with a actual thief class that isn't completely over shadowed by the assassin build lol

[soft relic]

I mean... pick pocket is just a dumb mechanic in a game where you can just kill them and take everything instead.

[solar glade]

^

true

[plain knot]

but fun though

[soft relic]

I like the flavor, but there is no way to make it actually viable

[solar glade]

but pickpocketing is funny

[wintry forge]

I hope they have all of the Dungeons and Dragons subclasses, so there's also Arcane Trickster.

[soft relic]

I see it as more of a gimmicky, fun thing. No reason to try to make the class play around it

[solar glade]

But it looks like they want build variety

[plain knot]

content

[solar glade]

and they want a thief sort of sub route

so if it could be made viable, would be really cool

:)

just gimmicky shouldnt = viability

[wintry forge]

They said they're considering giving the non-magic classes spells, maybe in the form of artifacts.

[clear fox]

They could simply be abilities

cleric gets 5 spells + 1 ability, fighter gets 2 abilities

[wintry forge]

@tulip vale Are you saying the portal will always spawn in the top right corner of each map?
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[tulip vale]

I should have edit the message better, i trolled a bit with my english lol

I meant that you see it appear on the feed

[agile condor]

.shortinfo 1561604

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Brad Quackson#8037

I played pickpocket stealth rogue for over 100 hours on the playtest
Why play stealth rogue when you can just play a wizard and do the job but even better?
Ideas that I would think make stealth/thief rogue a fun but still viable option instead of a pure damage build:
Stealth itself: Being able to turn off torches within stealth, pick up items, and loot corpses would make a very interesting and unique ability.
The 10-step perk should work with invisibility potions and you should be able to run these steps since you can still hear when the footsteps (Maybe make it 15-20 steps?)
Smoke Bomb: Needs to be fixed entirely, the shader doesn't even conceal you and it breaks your FPS, maybe make it so you attack slower? Make it an actual zoning ability that is semi-scary and up its cooldown
Pickpocket should target the highest value trinkets, maybe with the class/talent system add a disarm effect that could make it so you could disarm another player when coming out of stealth with a pickpocket, and also be able to steal utility
I know they are adding packs and wanna make it so you can possibly rip off packs. If so, having a very low chance to pickpocket an enemy pack could be unique
Make footsteps completely silent with the quieter footstep perk if you have no boots, increase the lower volume when wearing boots, still easy to hear. Add an effect that makes pickpocketing faster if equipped
My dream perk for stealth rogue: Auto turn off torches when being within a certain radius, or have them turn off after interacting with them immediately
I just want to be a ninja :(

Opinion:

+3

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Suggestion ID: 1561604 | Submitted at · Jan 25, 2023, 1:52 AM

[agile condor]

Too many ideas here but in general I agree

[late scroll]

does pickpocket break stealth?

[agile condor]

Think so yeah

[late scroll]

man that sucks

[agile condor]

Yeah

[clear fox]

Pick pocket is completely useless, just kill the guy and take his shit

[native cedar]

It's just a meme and that is fine.

[open ermine]

flavor perk

[late scroll]

true i mean these things will prob get changed

they said that current perk system is very basic

[clear fox]

I do think the rogue should be able to stealth better than a wizard. Wizard can clear so much more ground, and do it multiple times with no cooldown

[agile condor]

Should be able to pickpocket npcs rather than kill them (maybe not bosses) lol

[late scroll]

tbf wiz stealth is supposed to be blink

nerfed blink

[clear fox]

are you sure? Becuase they can cast it on other players

[late scroll]

idk i always imagined it that way

[clear fox]

blink would be a dope spell no doubt

[solar glade]

Just kill the guy and take his shit 🤓

Solos would love an actual stealth class

[open ermine]

i think i get what he means? it's purpose is mainly for repositioning like blink

[solar glade]

XD

[late scroll]

yea its a replacment for blink

because blink would be too op

[native cedar]

10 steps should just be part of hide. Giving up a perk slot for it is not worth it

[late scroll]

yea i think rogue should have more freedom in stealth

[native cedar]

I wasn't even running hide at the end of the playtest.

[open ermine]

yeah im probably never playing rogue but looking at their kit it feels like that perk should be baseline

[clear fox]

having a blink spell with 1 charge would be perfect

have to meditate to get it back

only once per fight

[solar glade]

Turn off torches/loot corpses/pickpocket and being able to actually run during the perk would make it a actual useful repositioning tool for solos and groups

[late scroll]

pickpocket though

i tried using it once

[solar glade]

Maybe im living in a fever dream where stealth rogue could be viable, but its genuinely the most fun I had playing the game

[late scroll]

could not even open the inventory unless i was pretty much touching the mf

[solar glade]

The clips I have man of me using the pickpocket ability, stealing an entire inventory match after match learning how to position properly and use it while being a complete pacifist is crazy

Or just stealing loot, having them never realize, and just walking away

"Must of been a bug I lost my shit weird"

[late scroll]

share some

[solar glade]

is all I assume they think

check my YT/Tiktok they have like 40 clips

lol

[native cedar]

Part of the fun of Dark and Darker is that there is a lot of room to both meme and sweat.

[solar glade]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vT_KhzfFzbE

one of my best clips

an example of why the class is so much fun

Or simply jumpscaring people

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cED_xmgQhiA

the class has alot of potential

[late scroll]

LOL

[open ermine]

lmfao that poor man

[late scroll]

you act did my boy so dirty

[solar glade]

This dude spawned in, posted this on reddit after and he saw it

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/faNIeUiCpXE

stole his armor after he was rezzed

[native cedar]

Loved it!

[solar glade]

without them realizing

[mossy ruin]

I thought some of the ideas were interesting, and some of the ideas were good. But putting them all in one, I had to downvote cause I do not like the torch related part. I think pickpocket would be good if we could choose the item but the games movement is too quick for it. Honestly, pickpocket just doesn't really fit the game atm.

[solar glade]

It doesn't fit the game, however they obviously want to promote build variety and different playstyles

[late scroll]

bro i thought pickpocket opens player inventory

no wonder why i thought it didnt work

[mossy ruin]

OMG that cleric LOL

actually amazing

[native cedar]

I think it fits the game. People seem to be enjoying using it.

[solar glade]

I have another one of a wizard stepping in a trap

stealing his entire inventory without him knowing

and he just walks away

funniest shit ever

Its fun, but if it could be fun and viable

oh my god

[native cedar]

Allowing you to stay invis would be fine. It would still be a meme but just a more fun one.

[mossy ruin]

Thematically yes, in practicality no. pickpocket is a deception thing, when all characters in the game are at odds with each other, pickpocketing is just worse than killing a player. Best case scenario to use it as a 'subtle stealing' is often enough to steal from a teammate, but like, still might as well teamkill.

But it is cool that there are some clips of stealing from brainlets, very funny.

[solar glade]

@mossy ruin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUxdJVNLQp4&t=1s

Befriending a trio of three

stealing an inventory

leaving

ez

thats why my name is that lmao

[mossy ruin]

Yeah, but im sure this was a rare occurance

[solar glade]

not at all

every game

[native cedar]

Why does it have to be meta? Of course people who are sweating are not going to take it. I think their is room to make it more fun but it's always going to be a meme loadout option.

[solar glade]

Did I say meta?

I said viable

[mossy ruin]

this was every game?

[late scroll]

man trying this during nextfest

[native cedar]

what is not viable about it?

[solar glade]

@mossy ruin 3/4 of my games yes

very easy to bow down to someone

and just do that lol

I would have like 60 videos out right now if twitch didnt delete my vods

[mossy ruin]

well maybe in the lieu of the game being new, but i do think pickpocket could use a buff

[solar glade]

There's no reason to use it, it is completely for fun, but making the STEALTH rogue itself better

I am talking about pickpocket

but STEALTH rogue

is dogshit

and needs tuning

[late scroll]

nah stealth is pre good on rogue, just not for stealing

[clear fox]

Stealth rogue is great with a party that baits an enemy team. You let them all pass you then stab the cleric in the back

[mossy ruin]

stealth is huge damage with perks, rogue is pretty pigeon hold into whats clearly good, and the rest is not greatish

[late scroll]

i mean even solo

you can buy so much time

that plus invis pot

and you invis the whole game pre much

[native cedar]

I agree it needs tuning. I just don't see pickpocket ever being anything other than a fun option. Just needs to be a little more fun than what it is currently.

[solar glade]

What I am just trying to say is that the class itself has very obviously powerful parts of the kit that in a actual scenario should never be replaced, but giving the ones that are completely useless/never picked some love would be good for build variety

is all I am trying to say

Someone on reddit said this, thoughts? "What about after successful pickpockets your stealth skill gets 15% cooldown reduction for a period and maybe let it stack twice."

[smoky yoke]

pickpocket should be useable while invisible at least

[clear fox]

^

[solar glade]

^^

[native cedar]

at least

[clear fox]

Successful pickpocket reduces stealth cooldown by a flat 10 seconds each time could be cool

[smoky yoke]

i think it is a perk that will get value also when voip will be eventually implemented

[solar glade]

Cant wait to trio rogue jump out of stealth and scream at people

win VIA jumpscare

[solar glade]

Class/talent system will probably make it better as well I am hoping 🙏

[late scroll]

i cannot wait for class/talent system

[tulip vale]

I had my suggestion edited a bit
My english was kinda bad i didnt re-read properly :d

Should be clearer now

[late scroll]

does anyone know if there was any word about class/talent tree or not yet?

[open ermine]

are you asking if it'll be a thing at all, or just wanting more general info?

[late scroll]

just if there were any updates on it

[open ermine]

nah no info then, same boat as bard etc, waiting for the next playtest potentially for more info i believe

[wintry forge]

Maybe not next playtest since they want to take it slow. I think they were originally planning to introduce in in PT 2 or 3 but backed off because they decided they weren't ready for that.

[smoky yoke]

gg

[late scroll]

does anyone have an approximate health for lich/ghost king?

[opaque shore]

@plain knot @finite tide Please don't make troll suggestions. Thanks. 👍

[finite tide]

is not troll is just intentionally vague if i were to type out all the things needed to be nerfed imo itd be a long day

[opaque shore]

You could start by giving an indepth suggestion on why you want (x) class nerfed for example. 🙂

[late scroll]

what was the weakest class last playtest? need your expert opinion

[finite tide]

Everything that’s the point

[late scroll]

mind giving an example

[finite tide]

If they bring power scale down a lot in pvp pvm is fine with some fine tuning

[late scroll]

wait so should they decrease strength of all classes or increase it instead

[finite tide]

I’d say easiest way is make pvp penalty

[lofty ember]

u want a pvp penalty?

[late scroll]

ahh so you are saying that you want more pve

okay i see now

[finite tide]

I just saying that would be easiest way

I would prefer proper tuning

[lofty ember]

what do you mean by that

[finite tide]

Have u seen my suggestion yet? Highly recommend

[lofty ember]

ill check it out

[opaque shore]

.shortinfo 1561794

[eager sable]

Suggestion from nes#0115

In the future, give us an option to globally hide all cosmetics.
A toggle option in settings to hide all user worn cosmetics to have vanilla gameplay only.

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Suggestion ID: 1561794 | Submitted at · Jan 25, 2023, 3:24 AM

[opaque shore]

Any thoughts?

[late scroll]

ehh depends on the cosmetics

[finite tide]

If they didn’t take down my suggestion

[fiery ledge]

Define "vanilla" and "cosmetic"? What about the skeleton?

[opaque shore]

Even with just skeletons, I think It would be nice to have a feature to just return them to default

[opaque shore]

Vanilla = Original model
Cosmetic = Skeleton

[fiery ledge]

seems like someone has a hard time telling player scavs from ai scavs

[opaque shore]

I have never played Tarkov 😭

[late scroll]

if people can turn off cosmetics, it also means less people will buy them

[fiery ledge]

so im even more right

nice

checkmate god

[opaque shore]

It's not entirely true, because only people who are bothered with cosmetics would turn them off

[late scroll]

and most people will have cosmetics disabled if it ever becomes advantageous

[fiery ledge]

and some peoples entire game play exists around that cosmetic

otherwise they wouldnt of bought it for some

but im clearly biased

[opaque shore]

Actually this is a great point, the Skeleton skin for example.
It gives off the idea that It has a smaller hitbox while in reality, It doesn't

[fiery ledge]

well, theres the shader part of it

[finite tide]

There won’t be anymore race skins hopefully

[fiery ledge]

and just how you can blend in with the environment different based on the cosmetic

[late scroll]

so people will most likely want to turn off cosmetics for that, that also pretty much reduces advertisement to other players.

[opaque shore]

I do need more character customization though, I have a hard time seeing all these clones of me everywhere

[late scroll]

i feel like disabling cosmetics is really bad solution

[finite tide]

Like really really bad

[late scroll]

like last resort type of shit

[lofty ember]

what was your suggestion? @finite tide

[late scroll]

they should just make cosmetics not confusing/deceptive/flashy/unrealistic

[finite tide]

Suggestion for what @lofty ember

[fiery ledge]

Cosmetics is a bad term for this though

[late scroll]

depends really

[opaque shore]

Feel free to dislike it, I think It would be a good thing to just experience the default game. It wouldn't be toggled by default, so It's more of a niche setting in my opinion.

[fiery ledge]

Should be more specific rather than using the whole class

This would require them to make a pretty steep financial decision for the game though

[lofty ember]

this

[fiery ledge]

Its like bringing gum to school

[late scroll]

i mean i dont really mind the idea, I personally would like it cause I dislike cosmetics in most games. I'm just saying that there should be a better fix to it, rather than a toggle button.

[opaque shore]

What would you suggest as an alternative?

[fiery ledge]

vanilla on hardcore ladder only

[late scroll]

cosmetics that dont deviate too much from the base ones

[opaque shore]

I forgot to mention that the blue torch hurts my eyes

[fiery ledge]

thats not really a fix thats a preference?

[opaque shore]

It would help me not have blue torches

[late scroll]

yup current cosmetics suck imo

think skelly is op even with negative mr

[finite tide]

Anything that doesn’t give tactical advantage to one side or the other it has to be a fair game the cosmetics can completely ruin it if not done right

[late scroll]

and blue torch feels 10000% brighter that the other

[fiery ledge]

if only blue wasnt such a high frequency color that diffuses with white so easily

[finite tide]

Blue torch did not light up as good as norm noticed that right away lot harder to see with it

[late scroll]

???

[fiery ledge]

Thats probably your eyes having a hard time adjusting.

[late scroll]

might be cause my gamma max

but

[fiery ledge]

Worked fine for me.

[late scroll]

that shit seems bright af

[lofty ember]

blue torch was kinda cool hahaha

[finite tide]

My eyes adapted tho it was only for the first 10 hours it is definitely different lighting

[opaque shore]

I almost went blind because of the blue torch.

[lofty ember]

good easier to shoot lmao

[opaque shore]

Imagine already having a small colorblindness and getting bombarded by the blue torch did not help

[late scroll]

should have seen wizard light orb

[lofty ember]

u getting full hardcore experience

[late scroll]

or 30 of them in one room

[opaque shore]

I can see pretty much all colors correct except that I always confuse blue and purple

[late scroll]

was everyone playing on high gamma

i feel like its a must

actually gives advantage

[fiery ledge]

Nah, after what I felt

I wanted to enjoy the game for itself

and not what i have grown used to

[lofty ember]

how y'all feel about in game chat/voice for your team

[fiery ledge]

worthless

[late scroll]

yea already got discord

[fiery ledge]

even more so talking to the enemy

[late scroll]

i think voip is very bad idea

[wary shell]

proximity voip in the game would actually be great

[open ermine]

discussed to death lmao, devs are testing it though so we'll see how it ends up

[wary shell]

specifically for solo players

[lofty ember]

proximity would prob ruin the vibe and a lot of trolls

[fiery ledge]

i know its coming but... eh. not interested in the 1v6s

[lofty ember]

just talking about hey bro res me

[open ermine]

i'm fully expecting lobbies to turn into screechfests

[lofty ember]

or hey bro dont res me

[late scroll]

its gonna be dogshit music earrape

gonna go deaf in first few games with voip

[fiery ledge]

muted on day 1 of release

[late scroll]

you cant even mute it if you wanna tryhard

cause it gives advantage if other people talk

[fiery ledge]

speak for yourself, i prefer nothing but footsteps

I went from those nasty ass ipod earbuds to some nice headphones when i was a teen

and it ruined my gameplay

[lofty ember]

i just hate having to add 1million people on discord while my normal group isnt on

[late scroll]

also prob more teaming

[wary shell]

some prebaked voice commands could be nice

[late scroll]

which sounds like dogshit

[open ermine]

@wary shell ok yeah ty for reminding me with stone people i'd love to see some warforged race option

[late scroll]

with voice it would be so easy to team

[wary shell]

warforged is proprietary but some construct race yeah