suggestion-discussion

[opaque tusk]

No

[smoky yoke]

some big spiders
like somewhere in the planet where there might be a bit of lag maybe

[opaque tusk]

Dark and Darker will not induce nightmares.

[smoky yoke]

it will introduce some flamethrower spell at least 🥲

[opaque tusk]

Oh hell no

[smoky yoke]

some continous flame spell cool
if theres any in the lore of dungeons and dragons but probably

[strange fiber]

Arachnophobia the game

[smoky yoke]

i was thinking about enemies that are just trees

mono eye trees like in king's field

[strange fiber]

I hope those trees aren't like the ones from the Evil Dead

[smoky yoke]

very small trees actually

with one eye usually

[opaque tusk]

whoa.....like the tree idea....made me think of non-aggressive NPC's....

[smoky yoke]

in king's field were aggressive 🥲

but sure

a tree that was also friendly was in fallout 3

somehow a living tree

[opaque tusk]

Like a random Nymph or a Fey that appears....warning players of danger? Or pointing to a treasure? Or a trap? Who knows??

[smoky yoke]

[opaque tusk]

If you attack it, it will delete you and anything nearby!

[smoky yoke]

not sure how, treasures seems to be in fixed spawns

[smoky yoke]

cool cool

like some passive-aggressive enemy

[opaque tusk]

man...someone better be putting in some of these ideas as suggestions....

Jus sayin

[smoky yoke]

[opaque tusk]

I gotta go but ill be back around. Great ideas all around. I'm digging the community.

[elder heart]

[mossy ruin]

@verbal marsh his response is a little scuffed, but yeah itll be much faster than you think. A week is reasonable to get pretty much maxed in tarkov for an average sweat, maxed is referring to having the stuff worth actually running, like high pen bullets/good gun kits, some players just rush market access and live there. and dont quest like at all.

Progression is always going to be too easy if you put mad hours in.

[smoky yoke]

true, for casual players that play not very often it may be even very long

to progress

here just talking in general for any game

[keen narwhal]

hi

[lucid root]

👋

[keen narwhal]

[loud matrix]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Best suggestion in a while.

[elder heart]

lmao

[neon meadow]

I present to you labs. Once you get buying cards, you have meta everything. In addition, if you are sweaty early. You can get good keys for reserve very cheap, due to ppl not being able to afford to price them highly. The sweetiest ppl will have meta meta weapons/ammo in a couple of days

[mossy ruin]

when was the last time you played/watched people play

[neon meadow]

Haven't played, the last two or three wipes

[lusty wren]

I played this wipe a bit, first day people were running high end ammo 😄

[smoky yoke]

cheaters?

[lusty wren]

Nah people that know where stuff is

[mossy ruin]

They ruined like 80% of reserve and its extremely depressing. And labs actually has no loot outside of card rooms and even then its like 🤔 They really messed stuff up, as they do >.> So much is quest gated now

[mossy ruin]

Was it AK ammo? or what

[neon meadow]

Labs doesn't have raiders anymore?

[lusty wren]

Primarily the lower end weapons still ya. Takes a couple days for most to get nice kits. But the sweats know the best loot runs

[verbal marsh]

I'm terrible at shooters and rarely play tarkov, but that sounds legit. Think dad would be divided by the % of times top players are matched together so they could piece together their sets repeatedly. Unless dungeon content manages to be challenging enough.

[mossy ruin]

They do but they nerfed their loot, like 20% of the time its good ammo, rest its like baby armor and ammo

[lusty wren]

DaD took very little time to get geared also. I am looking forward to the nerf of the loot tables as the devs spoke about

[mossy ruin]

Yeah, well AK, like 5.45 is sooo easy to just loot on ground, the small ammo boxes are all over customs stronghold and reserve has them EVERYwhere

BS and igolnik

[lusty wren]

The recent ammo changes were good for the game though IMO

[neon meadow]

Either way, experience in tarkov is going to have you geared quite quickly

[lusty wren]

Yes

agreed

#d-and-d-suggestions message
I think this has the opposite effect. Will be loads of people who just want to top this leaderboared

[inner radish]

@frosty creek I've deleted your suggestion because it was obviously not a serious one, this is not the first time we ask you to stop making these kind of suggestions.

When you come back from your timeout please refrain from making suggestions that aren't in any ways related to the game.

This channel is made for the devs to actually get some ideas from the community, not to clutter with jokes.

Thank you for understanding.

[lucid root]

Mrbeanz noooooo

cries while holding mrbeanz dead body in my arms

[lusty wren]

Love to see it!

[smoky yoke]

approved

[ionic mango]

beautiful

[lucid root]

What was it about anyway

[ionic mango]

wizard gamemode where they play quidditch

[smoky yoke]

harry potter stuff

[ionic mango]

ranger gamemode where they 5 v 5 with guns like cs go

[lucid root]

My god...that's genius

[ionic mango]

laser guns, like star wars

end quote

[smoky yoke]

i guess beanz enjoy in this way

[ionic mango]

i just pray he and desolante keep those names ingame

[smoky yoke]

weird type of enjoyment

[lucid root]

Wizard kind of has lasers

[smoky yoke]

if i find you, ill cooperate

with you

[verbal marsh]

the Power!

[smoky yoke]

🦾

[ionic mango]

Im pretty sure a felling axe to the head made them like that

maybe i can undo it with my axe

[smoky yoke]

[lucid root]

The dad everyone needed

[smoky yoke]

🥲

[lucid root]

Does that mean it's officially DaD?

[lusty wren]

Yes

[smoky yoke]

probably

[lusty wren]

Been DaD all along

[smoky yoke]

[lucid root]

'y chill

[lusty wren]

He just went for smokes... He will be back

PROMISE!

[patent fjord]

So what do u guys think of the release the game for early acces suggestion?

[lucid root]

[smoky yoke]

@elder heart no plz casting spells with sword is cool
but i can understand wizard has no reliable weapons for pve

[lusty wren]

Its already planned for Q2

[smoky yoke]

maybe why not both

[elder heart]

ok fine its cool but its soooo slow

[smoky yoke]

to cast? yea true

[lusty wren]

Every class has its weakness

Wizard should not be a melee god 😄

[smoky yoke]

yea but with book/crystal ball you actually cast way faster i think

[lusty wren]

crystal sword is fine as is

[smoky yoke]

maybe adding some bit of dmg
but i think ignite its the only way to deal dmg for pve

[lusty wren]

This sounds like a buff my favorite class please suggestions

[smoky yoke]

and then also pvp ok

[lucid root]

Crystal sword kinda shitty but it's fine where it's at

[lusty wren]

It is supposed to be

[lucid root]

Still usable

[lusty wren]

Why would the highest dps class in the game also get a high dps weapon?

[smoky yoke]

bad when there are some priority to weapons tbh

we should be able to use all weapons regardless

[lucid root]

Book priority, always!

[smoky yoke]

like with rogue i was used to run only rapier cause better
even if technically punches does more damage than rapiers
but range was cool

[lusty wren]

Rapier better than what?

😄

[smoky yoke]

yes

im aware but i like the moveset and the extra range

[lusty wren]

Rapier is better than the maul ill give you that

Second worst weapon in the game

[smoky yoke]

saved

yes but iirc devs said there were issues with

for the dmg

[lusty wren]

Possibly

[smoky yoke]

i read about once

[soft relic]

Punches do not do more damage than rapier. But rapier was terrible.

At least not a good rapier*

[lusty wren]

Yes they did 😄

[soft relic]

A purple rapier did more damage than punches.

[smoky yoke]

mmh it seemed though judging by some tests with the dummy in the tavern

ah well sure

[soft relic]

Especially because +weapon damage was a thing.

[lusty wren]

Base rapier should be better than fists bro 😄

[soft relic]

But green rapiers, yeah. They did nothing

[lusty wren]

Its the second worst weapon in the game

Its dog water

[soft relic]

Oh, I agree it was terrible.

[smoky yoke]

dog fire

[elder heart]

[smoky yoke]

maybe good if purple and then paired with stiletto

the extra range can come in handy
i can trust they will buff it eventually or fix it

its not even about buffing just fix the dmg scaling

[lusty wren]

But wiz is already very powerful, giving it a more powerful weapon makes little sense (back on the crystal sword topic)_

[soft relic]

With gear, rapier was still 2-3 shots on most people. 3-4 on a geared fighter. Still rather just use daggers.

[lucid root]

Too many stats affect damage especially if you're magic/phys damage combination

[smoky yoke]

but even tho, see why each class must seek to the best optimal weapons
imo they should be balanced at least to be useable

[lusty wren]

Nah, then you just have wizards running around being OP at range and OP in melee

[smoky yoke]

if all weapons were useable at least the gameplay would be various

[lusty wren]

Classes have these weaknesses for a reason

[elder heart]

we already are

[lusty wren]

Counter play is important

[smoky yoke]

no its not always about dmg

but i can understand

[lusty wren]

yes and its a problem which will be tuned down. Giving them more weapons exacerbates the situation

[smoky yoke]

cleric for example it's designed to be very slow with attack speed
but the maul as you said it's the worst weapon of the game
it forces you to find other and always to discard that weapon

not good design maybe

[lucid root]

Except wizard

[lusty wren]

Wizard has its weaknesses

They are just covered to much by invis/haste stacking

[smoky yoke]

making the maul viable but with still weakness maybe a better approach

[lusty wren]

Which undoubtedly will be toned down

[verbal marsh]

I think I will submit a new suggestion

[lucid root]

Some future buffs will take care of any and all weaknesses

[lusty wren]

I was referring to letting every class use every weapon. Not making bad weapons better

[smoky yoke]

mages die very quickly
they are get carried by the haste and invis

[smoky yoke]

never said that every class should use every weapon

maybe my message was misleading

i meant we should be able to use all weapons of our kit

at least viable

like ranger will always use longbow/recurve bow i think?
never survival bow i think cause bad rip

[lusty wren]

Ya that is how I took the last sentence of one of ur comments. No worry though just a miscommunication 😄

[smoky yoke]

so basically i meant we should be able to use all of our weapons of our class
there shouldnt be a one thats way better than the other

[lusty wren]

I do think some weapons need to be weaker than others naturally depending on the class that uses them. But I do agree class weapons should at least be "viable" even if they are weaker than others

[smoky yoke]

but fairly balanced but still with their weakness but balanced in a way you can choose them
depending also by the build probably

wizard
who use the staff
🤔

[lusty wren]

Noobs

[lucid root]

Me

[smoky yoke]

[lucid root]

It's my barrel breaker

[smoky yoke]

just to break the barrels?

yes

[lucid root]

Lol

[smoky yoke]

to be fair its good for that yea

[lusty wren]

Id rather have a crystal sword than the staff all day

[smoky yoke]

not even sure was possible cause logically a stick of wodden shouldnt break a barrel

thats why imo they should make slightly viable all stuff

[lucid root]

I know, and barrels are made from white oak usually so not easy to break

[smoky yoke]

cause the rng of finding a crystal sword maybe is lower

the funny thing

[lusty wren]

For example though how do you buff maul without making it OP?

its dmg is crazy, if you make it swing faster its to strong

[smoky yoke]

is that cleric with the mace takes like 2 hits to break a barrel i think

and wizard with staff only 1 hit iirc?

[smoky yoke]

i should test it honestly first cause i was playing only with mace and shield

[lucid root]

3 hits with staff to break barrels

I thought

[smoky yoke]

didnt find the maul that seemed a sledgehammer to me

[lusty wren]

Valid

[smoky yoke]

i only know as i said some teammate mistakenly hit me and removed me like almost all hp with only one hit

i guess its hard to maneuver

[smoky yoke]

those barrels often drop even nice stuff

rapier also could break barrels
the dagger and stiletto cant rip

[lusty wren]

Cost you pay as a rogue that can open everything damn near instantly 😄

[lucid root]

Nerf!!!!

Wizards interaction speed

[rocky oar]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[lucid root]

These hands weren't made for such lowly tasks such as...opening doors

[agile condor]

Imagine a group of 3 clerics & their weakness would be closing doors on them

[rocky oar]

lol

[agile condor]

If 3 clerics open a door at the same time it should open the door faster to help cleric trios hahah

[neon meadow]

How do yall feel about hr dungeon getting requed every down portal. Meaning. You take a down and will go up against another full lobby, but for that new section

[finite tide]

I would prefer fresh instances through each portal different players every level would be cool imo

[real trellis]

I'd rather not. If I've killed all the highly motivated players in my queue I should have the run of the hardmode section

requeuing it will just turn the second area into a warzone

[soft relic]

Imagine red portal with a full lobby. You'd never get to loot anything. Lol

The bosses would be entirely impossible.

[rocky oar]

It works if they plan on getting rid of the circle because they did say the circle is just a tool and they don't want the game to be a battle royale

[soft relic]

In that case it would work

[verbal marsh]

I made a new suggestion let me know what you think.

[finite tide]

the bosses already are near impossible

without the cheese

more player interaction hell mode with 8 teams or whatever it is would be wild if they slowed the zone down. they are keeping zone mechanic ofc

[rocky oar]

We don't know that

[finite tide]

pretty sure they stated that one many moons ago

[rocky oar]

They've said they don't want it to be battle royale and the circle is just a tool. So, they might get rid of the circle in the future

It's up in the air atm

[verbal marsh]

imagine being forced to take a portal in the boss room with other teams in game tho

kinda sounds like forknife without the circle

[neon meadow]

hell like one could say

[verbal marsh]

I mean I'm fine with the circle I think they should get rid of the game instantly ending however.

[neon meadow]

you mean when all the time is up?

[verbal marsh]

Would be kinda cool if you could just go back to a starting room and reset as well however, and then it initiate another round.

other players spawn in their other rooms and round starts again

[neon meadow]

could only work with no circle, and IMO the circle is a great addition. maybe remove it from hell. But IMO not even that

[verbal marsh]

circle would still have to be way down and exit portals spawn.

[finite tide]

there should be a perk that saves u from the swarm for an extra minute

[verbal marsh]

unless they want to aim for a straight up diablo experience.

[neon meadow]

I liked the idea of torches removing a significant amount of zone dmg, but the torches have durability

[verbal marsh]

that would be cool too if entire dungeon goes dark after red completely disappears and you have to make your way back to a starting room or exit

[neon meadow]

I don't like that, starting room shouldn't be anything other than what it already is

[verbal marsh]

well if there are no exits left what do you do

[neon meadow]

Die

[verbal marsh]

so why change it

[neon meadow]

so that you can enter areas of the circle for a short amount of time, like a team is camping or you were greedy but had torches

[lucid root]

They said the circle might go away?

[neon meadow]

i'd be fine with it if only the hell circle goes away, otherwise the kill a major reason the game is fun

[finite tide]

i also think if the game was instance based instead it would be almost impossible for people to try to team up say a group of 9 people or somthing trying to hoard one game

[lucid root]

What if after the timer runs out a bunch of really strong mobs swarm in and kill everyone

[neon meadow]

all the mobs are too cheese able

[lucid root]

Yeah...

[smoky yoke]

it's a mechanic the one you can step back to avoid their hits
it worked like that in any dungeon crawler games
but if you mean like staying at the top of a chest and a mummy cant damage you yea then thats cheeseable stuff

[lucid root]

Ranged mobs can't really be cheesed that way

[lusty wren]

The game is instance based...

Also the circle is super weak

take a pot and you can run across the entire map damn near in the zone especially if you are using bandies occasionally also

#d-and-d-suggestions message

fighter and barb are nothing alike

they both have a speed boost that is it

but wiz has two of em

is wiz also a generic barb?

😄

[obtuse olive]

wiz has a bit of every class, pretty nutty

[agile condor]

Until it fully closes and you insta die lol

[verbal marsh]

aside from barbarian, can't take multiple arrows D:

[obtuse olive]

can break doors like barb, without needing a perk slot kekw

[lusty wren]

That is called a timer. That is not the circle

Timer end raids done you die. Just like in every other looter extraction game

If there was no timer itd be a rat fest

[verbal marsh]

I wish they gave a full account for wizard spell usage in the graph info.

[trail swift]

Suggest. [I saw some suggestion for item space in stash/dungeon. The most dnd theme they can do for that is a 'bag of holding'. Ove the idea to have different shash items for more space. Like the chest for more gold holding than bags. I liked the weapon/ armor racks for gear. Bag of holding could be the epic level grab all stash item that you could also bring into the dungeon as well. It could be a tier item all so Blue/green/purple ect. Each having more space with all bag of holdings being the same size. Maybe 3×3 or even 2×4. Could have a limit to how many you hold or let someone hold as many as they can. Can't put bag of holding In bag of holding. Gold even have a Character slot for a bag of holding. Like a backpack spot in other games.]

[white cliff]

Why didn’t you make this a suggestion?

I think the storage system is fine, and limiting how much you can store is completely intentional design.

[opaque slate]

prob saw the closed sign and got scared

or 6 hr cd

[white cliff]

Yeah if there’s a cooldown let’s not start posting suggestions here.

[granite plinth]

@wintry forge all your suggestions are so useless

[lucid root]

What's wrong with his last suggestion?

[white cliff]

@tranquil tiger Way too specific, it would be better to just have an auction house at that point. I think the better solution is just to divide it per class.

I can’t imagine there being 50 trade channels for each item, and then they have like two people in them.

I need to go buy lock picks, better go into the lock pick channel, or I need a felling axe, better sort through the channels and try to find it.

Niche items wouldn’t have enough traders, core items would have too many and we’d be repeating the same problem.

[ionic mango]

just weapons, armor, utility

and actually lock them to those specific items

[white cliff]

It’s like that already and still messy.

[ionic mango]

its not locked locked

theres armor being spammed in weapons and so on

[white cliff]

Sure, there’s not too many extra posts though. It’s self governed so.

The problem is not being able to find what you need.

[ionic mango]

everytime i checked the weapons one it was a mess, of everything down to minerals and invis potions

also true

[white cliff]

I’m a single class looking for a single piece of gear.

[ionic mango]

id prefer a auction house type of deal

but ive already heard that the devs want to keep it as is

[white cliff]

We’ve discussed that before, it causes several problems with stagnant markets and prices and loses community interaction.

Items just sitting at outrageous prices for weeks.

Just as bad as the spam.

Like I said I think the key is sorting the channels by class.

As a cleric player it’s a pain to even try to find a good mace.

[verbal marsh]

Easiest way to improve the trade system is have each channel have a feed filter for posting. /wtb chat, /wts chat, /barb chat, ext. So you can just enter trade 1, say /wts post, or if you want to be more specific you'd use /barb and sell it there. So people can filter which chats they want to see.

[ionic mango]

wb the all class stuff

[verbal marsh]

but I'm sure they have something better in mind since they're devs pretty sure trade thing is temp.

[white cliff]

Filters could work too.

[verbal marsh]

many ways to do it, all about the overall feel

I just don't like how much time some of my teammates would waste sitting in trade window lol

need a junk sell button, and hopefully they just make vending blogs so you can sell passively.

[wintry forge]

Don't ping me. You never have anything good to say.

[fervent crag]

And who asked for your opinion? Mate, anyone can make a suggestion even if it’s good or not.

[somber wind]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Based on this

I'd love to see Silvered Potions

that you pour on your weapon

or forging Silver weapons

or both

[lusty wren]

LOL says one of the biggest troll suggestors here 😄

[somber wind]

Ik Suspense isn't trolling, their opinions just don't line up with a majority of the people here but yeah The Item is for sure a troll.

Suspense does deserve to have a voice for sure even if I don't like their suggestions alot of the time. Every idea can be useful.

[lusty wren]

I was talking about the person I replied to 😄

[strange sable]

Dude Suspense's suggestions have been good lately

[somber wind]

Ah ye ik I was just mentioning that The Item is for sure a troll but them defending Suspense is still right.

Yeah Suspense has been getting better for sure

[lusty wren]

Trolls defend who they think are trolls 😄

I do agree suspense has been putting more thought into their suggestions though

Which is nice to see

[somber wind]

I think it's because they've been discussing it with other before posting more often

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Otto is the DM, we have no power over him

[shrewd dune]

Not suggesting power over him, just thought it would have been cool to see him pop up while we rested mid game.

[fervent crag]

Iv made my due with quite a few good suggestions that have 50-100+ upvotes, at this point i am making bad suggestions because at this point i’m just killing time while waiting for the release of the playtest like everyone else is. 🤷‍♀️

[agile condor]

While I appreciate the condescending response, I do understand the difference hah… most people agree this shouldn’t insta kill you however - #d-and-d-suggestions message

[rocky oar]

I 100% agree

[white cliff]

I too can suggest they add voip and guilds and then troll all day. But that’s none of my business.

I’ll just be here pondering my orb.

[pseudo wing]

speaking of pondering orbs, how about wizards can stare into their orb if they have one for 20 seconds and it then reveals the room another random player is in? divination pog

[lucid root]

do you like my big blue orbs

[lusty wren]

Yes you are a troll I know

[lusty wren]

Time limits in this genre just make sense

Rat fests arent fun

As I said

the dark swarm is not killing you

the timer is

But we all have differing opinions no reason to hammer on this one 😄

[somber wind]

I think the perfect way to do this is that when the timer ends

the damage increases per second

To the point where it's not survivable

You still have a moment after the ring has closed

but only just that

Damage ramp I'd say should be something like 1the fibonacci sequence for the amount of damage it does but starting at 1 (additional damage) so

1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, etc.

You wouldn't get much time after using the fibonacci sequence but enough that if you start opening a portal when the circle is fully closed that you have a chance of being able to open it and get in it.

Assuming it's C++

int fib(int n)
{
int a = 0, b = 1, c, i;
if( n == 0)
    return a;
for (i = 2; i <= n; i++)
{
    c = a + b;
    a = b;
    b = c;
}
return b;
}
 
int main ()
{
int n = 9;
printf("%d", fib(n));
getchar();
return 0;
}```

That should be all it takes, with abit of tweaking to get it to get to the point needed

int main is just printing it but that could be where it's defined by player

[low flare]

@rancid pebble there is already a magic wand in the games item icons

[rancid pebble]

big

[verbal marsh]

I vote for PvE wave #d-and-d-suggestions message

[lusty wren]

I think this is a fine idea

[spice pawn]

A block of code. are we suggesting that Artificer's have a dungeon hacking passive that allows them to open up special dungeon control panels, and if they succesfully debug the script that pops up, some secret/dungeon change occurs? D&D python 101

time pressure coding quizzes. maybe if you do well enough, you can get a coding badge that you can put on LinkedIn, as well. opens up possibilities

[lucid root]

It was so well written too and people just took a dump on it

[somber wind]

Nah I was giving a fibonacci sequence for increasing damage instead of instant death when the ring closes

[spice pawn]

ah yeah that thing just seems like design preference. I thought about it for a bit, and realized that if the battle-royale circle mechanic didn't already exist, I'd probably hesitate to vote thumbs-up on that kind of idea. so big shrug. hopefully we'll see big additions regardless for the next playtest

[lucid root]

We need like a praying on knees emote so you can beg not to be killed

[lusty wren]

ya cus that is what people will use it for 😄

[lucid root]

😏

[neon meadow]

🤦‍♂️

[mossy ruin]

wasnt clear imo on what the point is nor the impact on gameplay, assuming none

[lucid root]

nods robotically and walks away

[visual goblet]

im thinking there are some items that should be limited... like traps mainly
maybe limit 6 or 9 on your character because full inventory is kinda wonky imo

[lusty wren]

9 may as well be your entire inventory 😄

[visual goblet]

yeah made the suggestion without numbers hehe

but a limit on consumable items on your character

laterns, traps, campfires, etc

[visual goblet]

your belt could be 3+3+3 and 3+3+3 and your inventory would have like 3x8 ish traps, you can basically lockgrid an entire section of the map with this i think? not sure tho

[vapid minnow]

Ask a teammate to bring in a few stacks for you = countered

[lusty wren]

I dunno 9 is alot of traps and you can lock down an entire room with fewer then that

So if you are goign to limit it

needs to be lower

Not saying it needs limited just sayin

[visual goblet]

sure, at least make it harder.

[lusty wren]

I am not a huge fan of how traps function in general

Hard CC has no place in this game IMO

[vapid minnow]

You should word your concept of the nerf around the idea that by nerfing all players on the team, you can effectively choose how much traps the ranger can have. Savvy?

[visual goblet]

im sorry i dont really understand your message

[vapid minnow]

Make it class pick up only.

And then limit by number

[visual goblet]

ooooo yeah why not

only archers can pick up traps

[vapid minnow]

Lets be real guys

If you're selling traps for money

you're doing it wrong

theres no reason for anyone to have the trap except ranger 😉

[lucid root]

And wizard when we get our own magic traps

[vapid minnow]

I was promoting for soul trap

[visual goblet]

maybe the rogue could get a trap

[vapid minnow]

earlier

[visual goblet]

not wiz 🙂

[lucid root]

Soul trap ooh

[vapid minnow]

Yea, i was thinking soul trap as a "infect" spell for a possible change to the meditate mechanic.

Force mages to choose their targets and use of spells more efficiently

ANd if they cant, they have to find a place of power to meditate at

[visual goblet]

2 wiz strokin eachs other"s wand 🙂

[vapid minnow]

on target kill if target is infected with soul trap, caster receives spell charge etc etc

[lucid root]

So soul trap is like you mark a target and if you kill the target you get your charges back?

[vapid minnow]

You get a percentage of a charge back across all spells.

Otherwise you would be infinite spells fast all the time.

[lucid root]

Kind of like an in between for meditate and intense focus

[visual goblet]

wizs really hate meditate right?

[lucid root]

No meditate is fine

[lusty wren]

I never even took med as wiz.

[vapid minnow]

Its not that, I liked it. Even though I spent most of my time meditating.

[lusty wren]

Instant cast is way better then med just bring camp fires

[visual goblet]

hence the limit on campfire >:)

[vapid minnow]

Its just, meditating is a time consumer for wizards and as a wizard, when you're killing everything and meditating 24/7, your ratty loot goblin teammates are stealing all the loot.

[lusty wren]

Even with a limit id not use med

[lucid root]

It's just that as a new player you shouldn't even be trying to take on groups, and by the time you're geared enough to 1v3 you don't even need intense focus anymore

[lusty wren]

IMO med is a noob trap

[visual goblet]

i have to play wiz next playtest hehe

[lusty wren]

the best wiz's will always use the insta cast

[rocky oar]

lol wut

[vapid minnow]

weird troll bait

[lusty wren]

Ya why use a abbility slot for something you have an item for?

its pretty simple really

[lucid root]

The campfire meta

[vapid minnow]

the dont take damage meta

alt f4 in lobby

never have these issues

[lusty wren]

Its about refunding spells

not healing

[rocky oar]

u know

i almost took the bait

almost did

[vapid minnow]

u sure linsung?

[visual goblet]

lol linsung yeha big bait LOL

[rocky oar]

lmao

[lusty wren]

Its not bait its very simple, you have an item that does the exact same thing and you waste a skill for it? Silly

Its like using cleric heals out of combat when you got pots and bandies 😄

Silly

[lucid root]

Proxy trying to 1v3 in chat

[lusty wren]

Ya, people dislike logic 😄

Its people who have never tried the insta cast

and do not realize how op it is

[lucid root]

When you ran intense focus did you just melee only for pve?

[lusty wren]

yes

[lucid root]

I just realized mana pots would make it even more broken

[lusty wren]

Except for the occasional archer

Crystal sword for pve

[lusty wren]

Very much so

Turn a corner precasted, and let off 2 chain lights back to back entire teams wiped easily

Then you simply put a fire on their dead bodies and get ur spells back

If you are lucky and that team is fighting another team you get 6 free kills 😄

[low flare]

Instant cast is not nearly as useful as meditate, with a campfire unless you are stacking res it takes 2-3 times as long as meditate, and also I havent seen a single "top" wizard not use meditate besides some troll 10 spell stuff

With the activation time of instant cast you only save like .5 sec with fireball

[lusty wren]

I dont use fireball either

😄

And game is very early just wait 😄

[low flare]

what do you insta-cast then?

[lusty wren]

Read my comments

[low flare]

chain lightning is same cast time as fireball pretty sure, so same thing applies

[lusty wren]

I like the "pretty sure" 😄

[rocky oar]

It's not. It's longer than fireball

[soft relic]

@carmine path

#d-and-d-suggestions message

Did you actually reach "higher level play"? For most groups, a cleric got worse as level increased. Their melee combat is woefully bad compared to most other classes, due to slow attack speed, move speed and reach. Their buffs actually get relatively weaker as gear increases, and most clerics couldn't heal fast enough to keep someone alive through the 1-2 shot meta that comes around in higher level play.

Not that they were useless, but they did not get better relative to other classes as gear increased, which your suggestion seems to imply.

[rocky oar]

Funny enough. I remember having this Cleric that was really good and after buffing us and would pre-prep heal so he can cast right away and apparently this Barb almost one shot me but I didn't even realize cause my Cleric insta-healed be back up.

[low flare]

Judgement is not op at all and also this ^

[lusty wren]

Yeah good clerics will foresee the dmg and precast

judgement though is not OP at all

[soft relic]

This could happen, but very, very, very few clerics actually could pull this off fast enough to keep someone alive through a 1-2 shot.

Most ran around with the book out and were like having an afk party member in fights lol

[lusty wren]

Its not about speed

[rocky oar]

It's more a high-end type of thing to be honest.

[lusty wren]

its about game knowledge

and precasting

[rocky oar]

Most people are extremely bad at the game

[soft relic]

It also depends on your group never being the one getting ambushed

[low flare]

yh and high-level clerics that are good will have a lot of knowledge/will so they can cast quick and so lesser heal is way better

[lusty wren]

If ur a cleric you shouldnt be looting really anyways you should be the ears of your party

let them loot for you

[low flare]

if you are aware of your surroundings you will never get ambushed

it's really easy in this game

[soft relic]

My point was, while cleric isn't useless at high end gear, it didn't scale as well for end game in most groups.

[lusty wren]

You also have to keep in mind this last PT was most peoples first time playing. Cant expect them to be pro's on day one

[low flare]

conclusion, find yourself a better cleric

[lusty wren]

This is just wrong

[soft relic]

Assuming everyone is 1-2 shotting people, I would rather have a third player 1-2 shotting my enemies than a cleric trying to spam heal in a fight.

[lusty wren]

You cant 2 shot someone if a cleric has healed him in between 😄

[soft relic]

2 players will melt that one regardless of if the cleric heals.

[low flare]

or if they have protection pot/spell

[lusty wren]

Ya if he is out of position and letting two dudes slap him

This sounds like a group skill issue

[soft relic]

I 2 shot a purple geared fighter through protection pot AND protection spell.

[low flare]

what class?

[soft relic]

Rogue. I have no doubt our ranger could do it as well

[lusty wren]

He was already hurt 😄

[low flare]

that fighter was not full hp

ranger with double headshot could do it

[rocky oar]

Nah nah nah, TTK or gear needs to be fixed in this game

[lusty wren]

I love the TTK

[soft relic]

Lol yeah... uh... rogue with +40 damage gear could 2 shot that.

[rocky oar]

It's completely scuffed. I got one shot by my own ranger by accident to the body from full health and he just had greens.

[soft relic]

Especially given the ability with +50% damage and 50% armor reduction for 5 seconds

[low flare]

were you running rupture/weakpoint?

[soft relic]

Stealth + weak point + backstab was 130% extra damage, with a 50% defense reduction on the target.

Just weak point

[dull glen]

you know you can stack magic healing and damage, right?

[lusty wren]

I dunno man. Ive been shot lots by rangers and never been one shot to the body 😄

[agile condor]

yeah idk about this lol

[low flare]

i find it very hard to believe that the fighter was full health, I wasn't even doing that with near +50 gear on ignite wizard

[lusty wren]

Agreed, it didnt happen 😄 or he was low health already

[low flare]

double legendary weapons

[soft relic]

I was hitting 211 on dummies with this setup, or 267 with my third attack

[low flare]

kap

[rocky oar]

It so scuffed I am telling you. Finding greens with true physical damage and flat damage increase is way too easy. Greens sometimes feel better than fucking- purples except for weapons specifically.

[low flare]

screenshot or it didnt happen

[soft relic]

I can show you screens of my gear. I didn't screenshot the damage numbers

[agile condor]

true damage didn't scale if I recall

[lusty wren]

This wiz video is nice. Music choice is top tier 😄

the highlights

[rocky oar]

Dummies don't put armor and magic resist into consideration I'm pretty sure

[soft relic]

They do not

[low flare]

yh but with ignite dagger the most I hit was around 170 and that shit is busted

[rocky oar]

Thought so cause I've had fireballs do 180 but when I hit someone with fireball they weren't being one shotted. They did however get two shot easy lol

[low flare]

direct impact would one shot rogue/ranger/wizard

[soft relic]

It was. Physical damage gear on rogue was also pretty broken. The most I ever had to hit anything was 3 times, and that was a geared barb.

Rogues/rangers/wizards were 1 shots, clerics/fighters were 2 shots. Didn't matter what their gear was.

[lusty wren]

so you couldnt 2 shot a barb but could a fighter....

😄

[soft relic]

I accidentally clipped our purple plate-geared fighter in the arm while slashing mummies. Did half his health.

[rocky oar]

Barbs are tankier

[soft relic]

Yeah. Barbs have more health

[lusty wren]

No, they have more health

[low flare]

damn, I never got 1 shot as a wizard by a rogue

[lusty wren]

Does not = tankier

[soft relic]

When you are stripping their defense down, health mattered a lot more than armor

[rocky oar]

Tankier means health + magic resist + armor

[low flare]

default barbs are tankier. geared fighters are tankier unless its magic dmg

[soft relic]

Plate armor was paper

[low flare]

or armor reduction

[lusty wren]

And fighter has alot of effective health with second wind

[rocky oar]

Barbs were the only class that could take 3 hits of fireball consistently

[soft relic]

Second wind only helps if the fight goes on long. In high gear fights, that usually didn't happen.

[lusty wren]

Happened all the time 😄

[soft relic]

Fights were ending extremely fast. This could be bias because as a rogue it was mostly ambushes.

[low flare]

barbs were the only class that survived 4 hits of my op ignite dagger

[soft relic]

And for the record, I am NOT saying I'm any good at the game. Gear carried me hard. 😛

But I honestly couldn't tell the difference between a fighter in a regal gambeson vs a fine cuirass.

Both took 2 hits

[low flare]

95% of the fights I took were over before my first ignite spell ran out

[lusty wren]

Alot of people fight noobs also and think they are fighting pros and extrapolate from there 😄

[soft relic]

Could be. I'm strictly talking about purple gear, not necessarily how skilled the person was.

[lusty wren]

How skilled they are matters

If they let you just tee off on their back its going to effect how many hits it takes

[low flare]

even the fights I had against other top players like orlanthi and uzra were over in like 30 seconds mostly

and thats being generous

[soft relic]

It can. But nobody has the reaction speed to fight back against a dagger's attack speed when you're attacking from stealth if the fight is over in 2 hits.

[lusty wren]

Which is plenty of time for second wind to have an effect

[soft relic]

TTK felt too fast at high gear.

And honestly plate armor felt like it didn't do enough

[lusty wren]

I do agree D needs to scale better

[soft relic]

Granted, I don't think I ever came across anyone stacking plate armor with % physical damage reduction as a bonus stat.

[low flare]

if target focus is on point its not enough time, if activated right when they take damage it would tick once or twice

[lusty wren]

you just said 30 seconds

30 seconds is plenty of time

You can cherry pick situations sure

[low flare]

they aren't taking damage from start to finish

[lusty wren]

But the average fight was long enough for second wind to have an effect

[low flare]

not for my team

[lusty wren]

You can cherry pick anything to find a situation it does not work 😄

[soft relic]

It depends on what he meant by 30 seconds. Was it 30 seconds to fight 1 player, or the whole group 1 at a time?

[low flare]

whole group, from seeing them to them being dead

[soft relic]

Because if it was 30 seconds for the whole group but the fighter died in 2...

[lusty wren]

A 3v1 is diff than a 3v3 😄

Of course if you are out of position and get 3v1d you are pretty screwed

[soft relic]

Yes. I was talking his wizard vs 1 player

[lusty wren]

Again you can cherry pick a situation to counter everything

[low flare]

Im cherry picking to try and prove you right, I am talking about the longest fights I've had against the top players and I've found one fight where second wind is good. But it could be argued that its not good against ignite wizard or invis rogue but good against other classes

[soft relic]

It kind of depends on what classes people mained, too. My view as a rogue is going to be totally different than someone's view as a fighter.

[low flare]

also depends on if you are a hyper aggressive or passive safe player

[soft relic]

My fights were mostly ambushes when people didn't know I was there. That skews things.

[lusty wren]

Yes to a point, though you learn alot by being grouped with other classes also

[low flare]

My fights are kind of the same where they didnt know exactly where I was until I was stabbing them in the back

[lusty wren]

Yes this does matter alot, When I played fighter I was not UBER aggressive I played alot with teamwork and playing a bit safer. Felt better as a fighter. Though on other classes I do play pretty aggresive

[soft relic]

Yeah. We never really ran a cleric. Most of my interaction with them is playing one myself (mostly solo) or fighting against them. But attacking from stealth, they aren't going to have pre-casted heals. Hence my view on clerics at high level.

[lusty wren]

I played everything to 15 but mained cleric/figher

[soft relic]

If I were a fighter, that would give more forewarning for fights, so clerics would likely have more time to precast

[agile condor]

damn, people downvoting some simple stat customization? I love that stuff XD

[lusty wren]

I like it in rpgs

or arpgs

Not so much in DaD though

[agile condor]

Why?

[low flare]

With how aware my teammates and I were we got ambushed by a rogue like one time where we didn't know he was there, it's not that hard once you know the games sound queues and what things are natural or player done

[agile condor]

It would be no different than a person having on an item with the stats of their choice

[lusty wren]

Because balance is important and messing with to much stat customization can create alot of issues that than need extra dev time to balance

[agile condor]

If giving a rogue +3 Agi is going to create issues in the game I think the gear system might need to be gutted lol

[low flare]

I think people prefer having everything on gear rather than any other way

[lusty wren]

Gear will have people balancing it. and gear is earned not just handed to you

[soft relic]

Yeah. It's pretty easy to know most of the time where people are, especially if they are in a group

[agile condor]

I mean, unlike Tarkov, gear is actually handed to you in this game hah

[lusty wren]

Oh so you can just get a bunch of free gear without going into raid?

Loot tables will be adjusted as they said

😄

[agile condor]

Correct

[low flare]

the loot right now is boosted to fit the timeframe of the playtest, its been stated by the devs

[lusty wren]

ya tell me how you get free gear without having a friend give you handouts?

which even to get that you gotta go in raid

[agile condor]

You start with a set of gear when your character dies

[rocky oar]

I don't think that's what he means my guy

[lusty wren]

Ya base gear that a balancing team puts together 😄

[lusty wren]

It obviously was not. Just the only way he could try to be right 😄

[agile condor]

Correct

[agile condor]

??

[lusty wren]

What base gear has the stats he said 😄

None

You use higher tier gear as your example then feign you are talking about base gear

Funny but eh

[agile condor]

You said gear wasn't handed out, and are now saying it is. If you want stats, you can buy a few basic stats from the gear vendors typically 6-10 g last PT

Not really sure what's funny

[lusty wren]

You are a crack up

When is your next tour date?

[agile condor]

?

[lusty wren]

To your comedy show

Ill buy a ticket

[agile condor]

?

[rocky oar]

And the list continues to grow

[agile condor]

Forever growing

[low flare]

proxy has to be trolling, half the time they are speaking facts the other half they are talking about trash that doesn't make sense to anybody

[lusty wren]

If you cant parse that conversation of earning STATS not basic gear I dunno what to tell ya

[agile condor]

Yeah, not sure what he's getting at

[low flare]

you're arguing against facts proxy, the game does literally hand you free gear, no matter how trash it is, I do agree that stats should remain on your gear and not be able to be allocated tho

[lusty wren]

What basic gear has the stats of his examples?

[lusty wren]

You have to read what I am replying to to understand. He said +3 agi gear

[rocky oar]

Yall are being baited man. Just block

[agile condor]

No one said anything about basic gear having stats on it

[lusty wren]

What base gear gives +3 agi

[agile condor]

Alright, added as well

[low flare]

he said +3 agi in terms of the stat allocation suggestion

[lusty wren]

Sorry I didnt add +3 agi when I was replying to it so it was insinuated clearly

[lusty wren]

Yes that it was FREE,(stat allocation at char selection IS FREE) and I said where would you get that gear for free without going into raid?

The conversation is not about base gear its about free stats. Which you cannot get on gear

Unless you go in raid and earn those stats or earn the gold to buy them

[low flare]

no one said you could get free gear of that level

[lusty wren]

You are not paying attn to the convo clearly

[agile condor]

Incorrect, you said this game doesn't give handouts. I replied by saying unlike Tarkov, this game actually does does give out gear. And then you went on about how it doesn't - idk?

[lusty wren]

In the context of free stats

that is what you asked about

[low flare]

I understand the conversation, I think you misunderstood what emba was saying

[agile condor]

Yeah

[lusty wren]

You are taking it out of context and acting like I was referring to base gear

When obviously I was talking about gear with stats

[agile condor]

And then proceed to try to just insult & be rude

[lusty wren]

Saying you are funny is an insult?

Ok

😄

Ill see myself out 😉

[rocky oar]

yall are wildin

[low flare]

But you thought Emba was saying that the game is giving out free gear with these stats but that's not what he was saying

[lusty wren]

No that is not at all what i am saying

I said stat allocation is free stats

😄

O/ done with the convo enjoy your night boys

[low flare]

ok gn

[rocky oar]

lol

[agile condor]

I actually like that this game gives base gear set to just queue again instantly if you want, Tarkov down time can be a pain sometimes

[rocky oar]

Anyways

What kinda of kit you guys think a Warlock would have if they implement one?

[agile condor]

Don't know, they don't really have any pet system currently and I'm not sure DoTs are fast enough for the combat here

[soft relic]

To be honest, sometimes I felt more effective without the base kit than with it. 😄

[rocky oar]

True

I love the Warlock summon demon fantasy

But I don't see how they could implement that without it be overpowered or too weak

[agile condor]

I think they could make a pet system, not sure what it would look like here

[rocky oar]

The body blocking is gonna be unreal if they did lol

[low flare]

I think they've said that summoning is probably not gonna be a thing with how op it can be

[rocky oar]

Yea

It's how it tends to be

[agile condor]

Sure but also the pet would either need to fully rely on AI or they need to somehow implement some type of microing - don't know what that would be like though

[dull glen]

having any npc that assists you in combat would be broken

[rocky oar]

Yup

[agile condor]

Maybe a direct damage/curse route

[rocky oar]

Listen

I want Eldritch Blast

[dull glen]

unless it's a pet that only gives you a buff and can be killed

[rocky oar]

I can def see Druid having a spell where they summon a bird to scout. The druid will be controlling the bird too leaving their body unattended.

Gotta balance somehow ya know

[agile condor]

Something like that I can see, you could do a demon scout as well but I doubt that fulfills the warlock fantasy

[rocky oar]

Nah

I was however thinking of a Warlock potentially having a summoning where they summon a demon and the said demon does a chant that gives a buff to the warlock until the chant ends after like idk 20 seconds or until someone kills the demon.

People can of course hear the demon to it's chant and it doesn't move from where it's summoned

[agile condor]

What first person games are there with this type of combat where summons/pets are done right?

[dull glen]

yeah that's the only way to pets so they aren't OP, just utility and can be killed

[rocky oar]

I honestly don't know. That's why I'm thinking of very simple ideas where the pets don't fight

[agile condor]

Should let Warlocks basically do a PoE Animated Guardian where you gear up your demon and they drop the gear they die with as well

[rocky oar]

Oof

[agile condor]

😄

[rocky oar]

I was just thinking of a sacrifice spell of some sort where you sacrifice your own health for a massive buff of some sort for 30 seconds

[agile condor]

Just throw a ton of epics on them and watch it run around 1 shotting people hah

[rocky oar]

lol

[agile condor]

I think a Warlock like that could work

[rocky oar]

Warlock is what I play in any game period if it's an option

[agile condor]

Sacrifice HP for bonus/buffs/higher damage spells/curses

Could give them spells but instead of mana their spells cost health - might be interesting

[rocky oar]

That actually sounds cool

[agile condor]

I think they could make that work - anyways, I need to get going - have a good night

[rocky oar]

nite

[gaunt scroll]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

i can make people angry with this

#d-and-d-suggestions message

it just me? felt like a moba suggestion

[opal sparrow]

Obviously that guy has a WoW profile

[forest void]

New Desolent suggestion just dropped

[elder heart]

he has good points

[tranquil tiger]

That's literally wrong and the opposite what I suggested. There should be in average 1 channel for each type, maybe 2 for high demand items. NOT 50. so in total we are speaking about max 15 channels to choose from, depending on what you want.

[verbal marsh]

Dog on a leash, direct control while player character remains immobile. Player would have to chalk summoning circle somehow to create control range like a rts, then hide within circle while controlling it. If circle is destroyed loss of control, summon aggro's caster. Sounds like a pain to code however.

[smoky yoke]

nice the statue/shrine that restores all spells
imo its needed just as bonus

[verbal marsh]

Another way would be to simply use a party members soul and summon. Create a visual range buffer that restricts the players movement cause it becomes too dark, and the summons would have to be considerably weaker then a character.

[smoky yoke]

id prefer only spells
but i guess spells + skills work too

clerics will be probably happy

[elder heart]

yeah im fine with that but i thought if it restores skills too it would benefit other classes too rather than only wizard and cleric

[smoky yoke]

yes true

literally there are statues for health, movement speed, strenght
so imo there should also one to replenish skills and spells

[elder heart]

yeh

[smoky yoke]

and it will be mono use, so would be balanced

[verbal marsh]

Have it give you a 3rd eye and grant 3 knowledge at same time.

[steady cloud]

why u guys downvote my suggestion without even reading or discuss with me ?

[real trellis]

What if you're not running a skill setup that has limited uses? Maybe it lowers the cooldown for the next couple uses?

[steady sluice]

@steady cloud How long do you think it'd take to get ability 4?

[real trellis]

Don't engage the troll

[steady sluice]

Troll? This dude is based lol

[granite plinth]

Paying real money for unlocking abilities that are op is just stupid.

[steady sluice]

Ya but you don't need to, just escape 30000 times

[granite plinth]

It's worse lol, u just need to play 3000 hours

Not practical

[steady sluice]

It's only for the dedicated few

[granite plinth]

U cannot divide the population of the game like this

[steady sluice]

You fear the grind

[granite plinth]

The grind is bullshit

[steady sluice]

That's what people who are afraid of it might say

Others embrace it, like the true warrior gamers they are

[granite plinth]

Like the true idiots they are

[steady sluice]

Our ancestors kneel at the thought of the grind before us

[granite plinth]

Spending 4000k of hours of game to unlock 1 skill?

[somber wind]

Desolant and Mr Beanz are just trolls, they've done this for awhile; just block em

[granite plinth]

Go out and take some air

[steady sluice]

No, that's the 4th skill not the 1st

The 1st is only 2000

[somber wind]

I also assume Alan is based on their responses

[steady sluice]

I'm just discussing some of the suggestions is all

[somber wind]

Cant tell if they're just like that

or not

[granite plinth]

The only games that uses this method are Korean and other asian mmo and mobile games

[steady sluice]

Yeah, this is a Korean MMO

[somber wind]

Which are all trash pretty much vlad

[granite plinth]

XD

[white hinge]

Why can’t I make more suggestions it says. I have to wait

[somber wind]

Check at the bottom right in #1048762118255673428

There is a 6 hour timer

1 suggestion per 6 hours

[verbal marsh]

🍿

memba when it took 6 months to hit 60 in everquest.

[steady sluice]

how old would someone have to be to remember that

[white hinge]

Way too old

[verbal marsh]

I memba

[steady sluice]

im 45 and even i dont remember that

[verbal marsh]

I'm one of those kids that grew up hugging a computer.

[steady sluice]

when i was a kid all we had was rock and roll and sticks to play with in the mud

[verbal marsh]

IBM just released its affordable PC

Learned how to read based off not being able to play Dragon Quest when I watched my dad.

[white hinge]

You are a kid?

[loud matrix]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @vivid rover
This suggestion would not only nullify rogue as a class, but would be completely unrealistic as well if you want to argue from that point of view. Daggers arguably killed more knights than any other historical weapon.
I kind of agree that heavy armour should be buffed, but this ain't it.

[verbal marsh]

whenever I'm playing a video game I sure am.

[lavish knot]

My favourite suggestions are the dude rogue should backflip 360 noscope win the game

[steady cloud]

idk ? i would just pay i also said numbers r not finalized maybe it can be 40000k maybe 20000k ?

[steady sluice]

What if you do only 15000 but you get to pay less?

Like with death knight

[cosmic thistle]

Yes I think the purpose for such a suggestion is to deter people from making gold and instead spend money.

[cosmic thistle]

Taking from other P2W formats yours is the desired range.

[crystal shale]

The devs aren’t making the game P2W so these suggestions are pointless

[cosmic thistle]

Yes we know.

[steady sluice]

It's not really P2W it's just to skip the grind if you're really afraid of it

[cosmic thistle]

If you value your time at all, it is pay to win.

[crystal shale]

^^^^

[steady sluice]

Yeah but for other people who aren't scared like you it's not P2W

[cosmic thistle]

ooook xD

[steady sluice]

You can't balance the game around being afraid of the grind

You need to embrace it

[crystal shale]

I mean you can by not being able to buy it 😂 that makes it balanced

[lavish knot]

Some of us don't have as much time to play cause we at work, so we should pay to skip that grinding part 🙄

[verbal marsh]

I mean tech, he will be able to buy it either way. Why not from the dev.

[steady sluice]

yeah for me it's fine but holyreaver is scared so he should be able to pay if he is scared

[crystal shale]

Nah make it unattainable to those but also the original suggestion of escaping x amount of times to unlock skills is quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard 😂

[steady sluice]

no I could easily escape 30000 times

it's not meant for players who are afraid of winning too

[granite plinth]

Real men don't need these mariconadas of pay 2 fast.

[steady sluice]

ya thats why it's fine for me but for you, you can just pay $20

it's fair for both of us

[granite plinth]

No, i pay for the game once, and that's it

[white hinge]

I don’t want pay to win I just want to pay to be more powerful

[crystal shale]

Did some quick math that’d take 34 years lol

[steady sluice]

then u dont get the abilities

[steady sluice]

no it wouldnt

[white hinge]

For you maybe

[lavish knot]

I pay for game once but I'm at work all thebtime so I should be able to pay so I'm caught up with you guys who can no life it 🤪

[crystal shale]

Yea it would each game about 10 mins to escape times 30k is 300k divided by 24 divided by 365 simple math but must be hard for you

[white hinge]

Yes those of us who have jobs and lives should also have chance to be good at the game

[steady sluice]

30k is 300k divided by 24?

what does that mean

[lavish knot]

Exactly izhbozh gets it 🙏

[steady sluice]

heathcliff is using math accounting for him losing so often that it can't be balanced around that

[elder heart]

some games are just grindy, if you dont have time to play this game then this game isn't for you and thats fine

[lavish knot]

Quiet down little man

[verbal marsh]

I think these guys sum it up best; https://youtu.be/-GXLVn73yRY

[elder heart]

🤓

[somber wind]

Exactly

Don't damn a game to failure because you cant fit it into YOUR life

[crystal shale]

I mean you wouldn’t get it little to advanced for you ig my guy

[steady sluice]

no i understand now it's because u account for ur win rate which is very low

do the math again with my winrate (very high)

[crystal shale]

I bet you never escaped once ever

[elder heart]

Average dark and darker debate

[steady sluice]

i escaped minimum 400 times the first session i played (4 hours)

[somber wind]

Heath don't engage with him, he's confirmed himself a troll already

doesn't matter anything he says whatsoever

[steady sluice]

zandorum is also scared which is why itd be good for him to have the $20 option

[crystal shale]

I escaped 401 times in 3 hours so whose laugjing now

[lavish knot]

Sounds like you are damning this game from adults who work. I don't think the no lifers are as much of a market as hard working adults,,,

[crystal shale]

Oh I know gotta troll the troll

[steady sluice]

zandorum has escape one time possibly but thats because me and my buddies let him thru

[somber wind]

I understand your point of view Reki, that said not everything has to be made for you.

[steady sluice]

we usually guard the escape and own hard

[somber wind]

I work as well, I know the struggle to find personal time.

[crystal shale]

Only thing you’re guarding is yo virginity

[steady sluice]

me and my buddies go to the club after we pwn on darker and darker

u might not get it

[white hinge]

Anyone know there will be battlrpass like fortnite? Maybe I could suggest it for us

[crystal shale]

Gotta go to a strip club to see women

[steady sluice]

ya that's where ur mom is (lol)

[somber wind]

I understand the reasoning behind that but it promotes Fomo which can actually make people not play. I have a few friends who don't play Fortnite anymore purely because they cant get specific cosmetics anymore.

[crystal shale]

My moms dead you digging her up and bringing her?

[steady sluice]

i put her there with my u know what

[somber wind]

I do think that we can have SOME kind of middle ground. I just don't think P2W is the right way to go about it.

[steady sluice]

she had a really good time

[crystal shale]

Only way you can get a woman getting at the dead ones?

[steady sluice]

sounds like ur scared of skeletons maybe that's why the $20 pass is for u too

[white hinge]

Hmm okay. It’s fine if we just have loot boxes

[somber wind]

LUL ight just from context I can tell what Alan is saying @crystal shale

[somber wind]

Not anymore, in a decent amount of places they're illegal now.

[steady sluice]

I know ur reading my messages Zandorum

[lavish knot]

Battlepass sounds like good middle ground, my kids play that and then I can pay to get the things the gamers got by putting more hours in

[crystal shale]

Changes the subject so fast lol

[somber wind]

As long as the battle pass is purely cosmetic and all of the cosmetics are added to a store of some kind afterwards to remove fomo I wouldn't be against it.

[steady sluice]

no im saying im not afraid of dead things like u

[somber wind]

I'd be fine with them being exclusive to the battle pass until after

So you cant buy progress in it.

[lavish knot]

But it should have some nicer gear so I can catch up

[somber wind]

Gross

P2W is always bad

[lavish knot]

😕

[somber wind]

There is no right way to do P2W

[crystal shale]

I know you’ve already expressed your love for my mom who has passed 8 years ago don’t gotta keep telling me your personal life

[steady sluice]

1 blocked message i wonder if that is heathcliff (owned)

[somber wind]

It will ALWAYS kill games

[verbal marsh]

#d-and-d-suggestions message what do you think of my suggestion

[lavish knot]

Those kinda sound pointless, what's a karma in this game

[crystal shale]

Agreed it is always bad I’m glad the devs want to steer clear of it

[somber wind]

I do think some kind of catchup mechanic wouldn't be horrible but it needs to be done right and I really don't know how that could be done without hurting the game

[verbal marsh]

You never played friendly in dungeon?

[steady sluice]

no theyre probably going to add the $20 option for the classes i think

[somber wind]

I do but by about the time the Escape portals show up I normally backstab them

Not all of us can get out all the time

[lavish knot]

I asked my kid if the monsters n people were friendly and he said no so idk what you are talking about for friendly in this game

[somber wind]

I'm just securing my bag

[verbal marsh]

Well this would add a karma system to the waves, so if you're evil they can just try to kill you rather then let you backstab lol

[somber wind]

They ment like crouching repeatedly to show you wouldn't kill the other player

and to team up

[steady sluice]

why would i do that

[lavish knot]

How are you evil you are killing bad guys

[lavish knot]

Crouching doesn't make a bad guy good

[verbal marsh]

you only gain evil by teamkilling or waving to someone and them waving back.

and then killing them

[somber wind]

Starting to think that Reki is just a really good troll lol

That or hasn't played enough and doesn't know what I mean.

[lavish knot]

Yeah I haven't I have work why I want to pay for some gear

[somber wind]

Ok so basically something that happens commonly is 2 players will see eachother

there is no voice chat

so what became a universal sign of "I wont kill you if you wont kill me"

was repeatedly crouching

[lavish knot]

But the other players are your enemy?

[somber wind]

Yeah they are but you don't need to kill them to get out

they could help you kill npcs, loot treasure, etc.

[vivid rover]

yes you do there are limited escape portals

[somber wind]

or kill other players

that aren't your group

The weak gather to kill the strong kind of stuff

[vivid rover]

spam crouching conveys this "i am a noob with shit gear and probably not worth the time it takes to kill me"

[lavish knot]

But it's designed to fight eachother cause u are enemies like in quake

[crystal shale]

I don’t think they need them because of seasonal wipes shouldn’t be that hard to catch up

[somber wind]

I also agree with that @crystal shale

[somber wind]

Even in Quake if you're playing FFA with a friend on a random server, don't you ever team up to artificially make eachother stronger?

[verbal marsh]

Yeah, so basically waving would replace that. People would want to see what type of smile your character has, and if you look like a mad hatter they'll probably want to kill you. maybe

[lavish knot]

I kill the enemy

[somber wind]

Yeah I understand that Karma system, it'd be similar to TTT.

[lavish knot]

It's as simple as that

Ttt?

[somber wind]

Another game

[lavish knot]

Text to talk?

[steady sluice]

it stands for time to kill

[somber wind]

TTT = Trouble in Terrorist Town, it's similar to Among Us but before it and is an FPS.

[lavish knot]

That's ttk,,,

[verbal marsh]

you mean among us.

[lavish knot]

Oh my kid plays among us but that's really different to this game

It's cartoony

[verbal marsh]

So if they have quests you might have different tasks depending on your alignment also

So you might want to hav an actual good character lol

[somber wind]

I'm pretty sure you're a troll at this point Reki, you're hitting all the right spots for it to be "mildly believable ignorance for someone who is older" too many times in a row.

Older as in bordering on 50 not like just being an adult.

[lavish knot]

I'm not trolling I've only done that to the other girls on Facebook

[crystal shale]

I didn’t like your suggestion at first but honestly you’re making some points and turning me lmao could be a really cool concept but idk

[verbal marsh]

see it has its merits

[somber wind]

I doubt you'd have a Carameldansen remix of Lobotomy Corporation's alert music on your profile description and not know this stuff Reki LUL

[verbal marsh]

I would love to see a little game of villagers where they all end up finding eachother first and then me coming along solo

hello!

(evil grin)

[somber wind]

You got me for abit, was pretty good LUL

Shoulda just looked at your profile instead of trying to figure out by convo

[verbal marsh]

lul'

[lavish knot]

||It was bound to be discovered cause of my name and pfp||

||N about||

[verbal marsh]

now you're just being visually obnoxious, so I'm going to block yeh.

[lavish knot]

What lole?

[steady sluice]

kinji what do u think about a necromancy skill where we raise healthcliffs mom from the dead

[verbal marsh]

I'm not into that

necromancy is a mob characters specialty.

[ionic mango]

the reason the mods arent deleting Desolents obvious troll suggestions is cause they are gonna implement each one of them

actually confirmed

[smoky yoke]

if they are in cooldown, maybe resetting the cooldown could be ok, for those skills that are not limited

[real trellis]

🤔

[eager creek]

its because they dont actually read that chat

[ionic mango]

well they said they do and they delete troll suggestions 🤷‍♂️

[eager creek]

people say a lot of things

[white hinge]

I think good suggestion from @plucky crown however it should also re move the items from who loots you to stop duping item

[ionic mango]

horrible idea, made even worse by removing the items from the person that killed you

the other guy gets to pay 5 euros and u lose everything you fought for and ur friends died for, lmao

[scenic storm]

So someone had an idea about solo play (indifferent on if they add solo play or not) but if they did... Imagine going around in solo but when you die you can incarnate a pve mob and you can control their basic attacks and stuff and if you kill someone then you could rez (@ me plz im working atm, just want to talk about an idea of SOLO PLAY that would make it interesting)

[elder heart]

no

[vivid rover]

good idea @scenic storm i wanna play as wraith

[scenic storm]

yea would be fun 😄 idk how to balance it all out, but would be enjoyable maybe as a 'less serious' version to play! idk just some ideas to bounce around

[steady cloud]

👍

[outer niche]

solo only should never be added but a limited time mode with that concept would be cool

[scenic storm]

Hopefully, if they do put in solo play, they’ll have it tested out on next play test so we can see if it’s something to keep around! If not a limited mode would be super fun!

[rose lantern]

I think they said they want to implement more features to help solo players adhere to more of a "rat" playstyle so they can survive more often rather than adding a solo queue option, so i'd imagine they'll add those features first before trying out solo queue

[outer niche]

definitely the best way to go about it, dont understand why so many people ask for solo only when its easy to get into a random trio after a few minutes

[rose lantern]

I think they worst part about adding solo queue would be a lack of variety in team size, the only option at that point would be 2 or 3 mans in non solo queue. And if they made 4 man parties possible 4 people would be way to much for a solo to realistically be able to outplay so your only option as a solo would be solo queue

[white cliff]

I mean that and splitting queues, you’d have four of them at that point.

[rose lantern]

definitely, one of the best parts about the game is how quickly you can find a match

[white cliff]

Also @outer niche Cleric certainly isn’t the weakest class lol.

[rose lantern]

^ between bless, protection, divine strike, and drinking a brew with no debuffs i'd argue they are pretty strong.

[outer niche]

in 1v1 abilities it definitely is

[white cliff]

Good thing this isn’t a 1v1 game lol.

[outer niche]

if were talking stock loadouts

[outer niche]

so you agree

[white cliff]

That doesn’t make in the weakest class.

This isn’t a solo game.

[outer niche]

i mean in terms of fighting capabilities

obviously as a trio cleric is almost essential but in terms of combat its by far the weakest by a long shot

[white cliff]

The support class isn’t super strong at fighting? Gasp!

[rose lantern]

it depends on perks, skills, and spells you take honestly. a cleric, base gear, with the right perks and stuff can 1v3 if you play it right

[white cliff]

Drunken monk.

[rose lantern]

^

[outer niche]

i know its a support but right now cleric has a single usable weapon, obviously there needs to be some more options

[white cliff]

I don’t think usable weapons makes cleric any stronger of a class.

[rose lantern]

Oh yeah, I totally agree. They could definitely use more variety

[outer niche]

but it would be nice to have more

[rose lantern]

but that doesn't mean they're weak by any means

[outer niche]

the flanged mace is the only good cleric weapon atm

[white cliff]

Sure I want cleric to have more weapons, but I’m not going to upvote it because they’re weak.

I’d agree.

[rose lantern]

I mean just look up dark and darker drunken monk on yt, people slay with cleric using that build as a solo. The class is strong imo but the lack of diversity in weapons definitely sucks

The only thing i think they really need is some option for ranged damage like the ability to use crossbows or something. If they could somehow run melee, have a ranged option, and still have spells they'd be really good

[long dawn]

They need to let him use a longsword. And give him a slingshot

[rose lantern]

@long dawn Long sword is more of paladin territory than a cleric, if they plan to release paladin as a playable class they should prob have them use that instead to diversify them from cleric. But if cleric is going to be a class that can kinda be either one then i agree

[long dawn]

Ehh there's really nothing that physically separates a paladin from cleric. Specially with letting him use plate armor

[rose lantern]

At the same time, every class in the game has a definitive weapon that only they can use, longsword being that option for fighter. So maybe something similar but not exactly the longsword for pali/cleric

it could be argued that the fighter class does have other weapons, like the falchion, that is specific to their class but longsword is the iconic one for the fighter. at least currently

[rose lantern]

True actually, plate armor is a good point

[long dawn]

The classes are weird specially pulling from 3rd edition D&D. One of the starting classes is a pirate

[rose lantern]

Agreed, though i have literally no knowledge of d&d 3e, i was more so going by the trend just in dark and darker currently and general classic fantasy stuff. all of my d&d knowldge is from 5e and it's still limited there as well lol

[long dawn]

Also at the time necromancer was a sub class for cleric and wizard. I'd like to see them pull from some newer editions for some of the classes

[rose lantern]

I remember seeing at some point that they posted the first letter of every class they plan to implement a lot of people theorized that one of the classes were artificer, as archer was already in the game and one of the letters were a

so that'd definitely be something interesting from a newer edition

Or at least i think artificer is from 5 or 4e, could be wrong

https://youtu.be/uKULTFV9HRM?t=494

this video has that message i was talking about as well as what people are theorizing the classes are based upon the first letter

[long dawn]

4th if I'm not mistaken. But I'd love to see it

[white cliff]

At some point they stated they’re planning on adding everyone class from 3e.

[scenic storm]

Wont let me make a suggestion, but what about this idea?

Implement a system to where players can pay a fee (IDK like 125gold) to be able to secure their items so they dont lost it in the dungeon 125g PER RUN TO SAVE ITEMS. This could be limited ONLY to equipped items (not including utility items) that are able to be saved.

[white cliff]

No, you can’t post because you’ve already made one in the last few hours.

Don’t post it here.

[scenic storm]

lose*

What do u think of an idea stemming off of that? maybe not that exact idea, but something to build off of

[white cliff]

No.

[scenic storm]

Would help people stacking up gold forever too

[white cliff]

Stop trying to avoid what’s to prevent suggestion spam and trolling.

[scenic storm]

??

[rose lantern]

Maybe something like insurance in tarkov? where if no one takes the gear from your body you can get it back? I don't think that's a bad idea