suggestion-discussion

[rocky oar]

Not because not because mobs are hard

[white cliff]

Sure, because it’s not a genre that’s super popular.

It’s a hardcore extract looter.

[lusty wren]

Mobs arent hard, and this change will make them even easier. You will kill every mob before it can swing even

[white cliff]

Tack 30-40k onto tarvoc and hunt and they’re all dying to pve and you’re going to get some skewed data.

[rocky oar]

I thinks mobs are fine as is

[lusty wren]

Agreed

[white cliff]

Same.

[rocky oar]

My only mob that I gripe about is zombies

[white cliff]

The majority of players think mobs are too hard though.

Why’s that?

[rocky oar]

Mainly in high roller hell

[white cliff]

Clouds?

[rocky oar]

Yea, they pump out double the amount of clouds and they are fast

And you can't risk running through them either cause high roller hell they will actually delete u

[smoky yoke]

it is possible to make them not release the clouds

[white cliff]

Yeah you can’t run through the clouds.

[rocky oar]

If you kill them from a range yea

[white cliff]

You can dps check then like any mob.

[smoky yoke]

no also melee works

[white cliff]

That being said they have a lot of health.

He’s specifically talking about red zombies btw.

[rocky oar]

I haven't seen it done

[white cliff]

You can.

[smoky yoke]

you can fight a zombie in melee and wont never release clouds if you fight in a certain way

[rocky oar]

They have such a dumb amount of health

[white cliff]

With enough gear.

[smoky yoke]

no, works with any gear

[white cliff]

This is true.

[lusty wren]

I never have issues with gas even the double gas boys. I just take a step back 😄

[smoky yoke]

same

[lusty wren]

Most mobs are this way and I love it

[lucid root]

Hasting zombies

[smoky yoke]

basically it is necessary to keep going back but also waiting a bit while attacking
and his attack #1 will be always the cloud
if you keep strafing back while attacking he wont never use clouds
but obviously depends by the range of the weapon perhaps

you can actually stay very near while walking backwards

[rocky oar]

My issue with gas in high roller hell is the accidently pulling more mobs and dealing with them while avoiding gas

[smoky yoke]

tought worse as well, its just sometimes when they close the path

[rocky oar]

It's just an annoyance for me I guess

I don't trust other people though cause I've legit seen people panic and pull the whole damn room

[lusty wren]

"accidents" deserve to be punished

[rocky oar]

And I just salute them and run off lol

[rancid pebble]

I do see how that can be an issue for some, im too ranger brained to feel the effects

[wintry forge]

The devs are working on making AI better, so this might not be true in the future.

[lusty wren]

Every mistake you make in the raid should have some form of punishment as it does now

[smoky yoke]

they will probably prevent people cheesing

[lusty wren]

Yes they want to make them less cheesable which is good

[smoky yoke]

cause so far staying at the top of a chest, you can avoid mummies

they wont attack you

[rancid pebble]

WtB legendary longbow, offering 25 gold!!

[lusty wren]

Make it 15 and deal!

[smoky yoke]

spiders ok but it does make sense

[rancid pebble]

Yea, I think cheese is inbuilt with games like this which is weird, like think about the lich fight. Is it the devs fault that the fight is like that or is that just what this kind of game has to do?

[rancid pebble]

Im not stupid, I know its worth. Let me give you 30g or no deal

[smoky yoke]

i think it is fair the cheese in some spots
but not everywhere

[rocky oar]

I was about to say

[rancid pebble]

Like what about when a fighter hides behind a shield to walk towards an archer. Cheese or mechanic?

[rocky oar]

I think cheese is fine in certain places

[lusty wren]

I cant have you overpaying like that. I have morals (wrong reply sorry)

[smoky yoke]

the map is usually designed to be more vertical, so it is fine that you can avoid monsters because you reach some spots
but idk

[rancid pebble]

what if someone walks into a zombie then backs up to "bait" a swing, cheese or mechanic?

[wintry forge]

They're not too hard, they just have too much health. And higher quality weapons make this less of an issue, which is why I also suggested nerfing the scaling of gear. There shouldn't be as large of a discrepancy between gear qualities.

[smoky yoke]

i liked how wraith and skeleton champions sometimes destroy even the doors

even the ranged skeleton but that due to some weird behaviour of the ai

[smoky yoke]

dont worry

[white cliff]

I dont think 4 swings is too much health.

[smoky yoke]

mechanic lol

[rancid pebble]

it was more of a rhetorical question, and the point is its hard to define cheese right

[smoky yoke]

it is not different from king's field, the gameplay it's basically the same

check it, if you want

[lusty wren]

Goin oldschool on us noweh

[rancid pebble]

I wish I was a gamer in the late 90's to 00's

[smoky yoke]

a mummy so near to you but cant attack you because you are at the top of a chest doesnt make sense imo

at least for me

[rancid pebble]

Yes, but trying my hand in coding when i was in like 8th grade I can see how annoying coding for these problems can be

I am sure they will fix it though

[smoky yoke]

yea sure

[rancid pebble]

what about Pavise's

[smoky yoke]

it's not easy to figure out solutions

broken

and it will be nerfed

[rancid pebble]

People think those are cheese and I just call that necessary in hel

[lusty wren]

At least pavise is a decision making thing. Jumping on the closest box is not

[smoky yoke]

they will add the durability to such shield as the pasive

[rancid pebble]

true, takes setup

[rancid pebble]

hopium or true?

[somber wind]

I threw it out there after some workshopping @smoky yoke

[smoky yoke]

what i hope

can also block totally a king lich

[rancid pebble]

I like the idea of setting up and preparing for fights, feels very Dungeons and Dragony

[smoky yoke]

ghost king ect

[somber wind]

@wintry forge Damn dude, thought you liked my incarnation of it lol

[smoky yoke]

yes

meditating also as wizard very chilly

[rancid pebble]

Love that, wonder what people think about cantrips

ive seen some pro discussion but no one really passionate about it

[somber wind]

Alot of people seem to dislike it, been voted down multiple times; that said I wouldn't be against it personally just needs to be the right kind of spells

I think the potential for it being overpowered if done wrong is what's making people downvote it

[wintry forge]

No, I like the loot goblin idea, but I have some problems with your suggestion. I might up vote it if it was less specific. Actually, I think the devs have read enough about loot goblins now for them to decide if they want any variant of that enemy type to be in the game.

[somber wind]

It was more specific because the goal was to make it not negatively affect the game.

Even down to the sound ques were ment for modifying gameplay loop

[smoky yoke]

ah saw now
nice

[rancid pebble]

alright time to read the entire wiki's lootables sheet just for it to potentially get changed next patch

[somber wind]

Not potentially, it 100% will lol

1 Goblin that run around generating loot before hitting a cap and despawning after making lots of tells that they're leaving.

[lusty wren]

People are so dumb that think hasbro can sue DaD 😄

[somber wind]

Doesn't always spawn so it doesn't negatively affect the game loop since people will of course always go after it if it always exists

[smoky yoke]

let's go with trees, we need some enemies like that

in the dark forest B1
the evil trees

[rancid pebble]

Are we gunna have sunlight in B1

[smoky yoke]

yea it's a weird topic

[somber wind]

Should we have traditional tree spirits? The annoying kind?

The "I have 3 lives so you need to kill me 3 times to put me down" kind

[smoky yoke]

moonlight probably

[somber wind]

Oh that's a fun idea wait

[smoky yoke]

dark forest for the vibes

[somber wind]

Moonlight, what about creatures that evolve in Moonlight?

Since it's going to be a mostly shaded forest

[lusty wren]

When anyone says should we add the "annoying" x its probably a bad idea

[somber wind]

so you don't want to lure them into the light

[smoky yoke]

lol the werewolves

[somber wind]

Nah wasn't thinking werewolves

[smoky yoke]

rip

[somber wind]

I was thinking Bharghasts

Which is closeish but not humanoid

Basically wolves that are covered in chains that attack with those chains and become huge in Moonlight

They're already kinda big in general

about lion sized

[smoky yoke]

nice

[rancid pebble]

Wouldnt mind some apparition type enemies, maybe a graveyard area

also didnt know all small chests even in normal have a small chance to drop purples?? that is nice to know

[smoky yoke]

that's a troll anyway

[lusty wren]

Most likely yes

but there are people who think this

[smoky yoke]

yea also that rip

[lusty wren]

so was just commenting on it 😄

Like the guy who said. Now anyone who has a health pot int here game will be sued

Like LOL

[smoky yoke]

yea

they own the somehow now

[verbal marsh]

wizards of the coast is known to contest any refences to their industry.

[wintry forge]

I actually want the loot goblin to steal from the map so there's risk of him leaving with the loot the players are there to get.

[smoky yoke]

wizards of the scammers

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
taking pictures of yourself naked?

[lusty wren]

Copyright laws are a thing. And alot of the things they are "suggesting" wizards will sue for are protected by said law

[smoky yoke]

they just do that cause want to start legal battles and co

but they wont conclude nothing anyway

[verbal marsh]

nah wizards has made most of its revenue off ip royalties.

[wintry forge]

With mods you could be naked.

[smoky yoke]

it's not skyrim

no

[verbal marsh]

I think their ip is no longer witheld but idk

[lusty wren]

Yes they changed their OGL to require people to not be able to just freely profit off of their work

[smoky yoke]

my red potions how you dare

[lusty wren]

Open Gaming License

[lucid root]

first the pantone colors now this

[lusty wren]

They used to just allow people to profit off their work

with this open gaming license

[rancid pebble]

[lusty wren]

they are now adjusting it

to require royalties etc

[verbal marsh]

yeah but its all kinda jus bs w/ the 20 yr ip law as well.

[smoky yoke]

sued

[verbal marsh]

tech these industries shouldn't be able to profit off it so long.

[smoky yoke]

copyright strike from youtube

[wintry forge]

If DaD is popular enough, and the devs allow it, there will be nude mods.

[smoky yoke]

geralt of rivia cant use potions anymore

[verbal marsh]

what do they call potions now?

[somber wind]

I do feel like that'd cause an unfair situation where someone starts and all the rooms they have access to are pre-looted. This would cause it to be that pre-geared players always have advantage against all but Wizards.

[smoky yoke]

lotions

[lucid root]

tonics

[verbal marsh]

lol

[lusty wren]

Health pots are not copyrightable 😄

[lucid root]

™️

[smoky yoke]

health lotions

[verbal marsh]

its pretty pathetic that ip has gotten so rediculous

[smoky yoke]

like nintendo

[lusty wren]

Why do you think people have a right to profit off of Wizards work?

[verbal marsh]

They still do, they just can't generate the same name scheme. Beholders are Eye Monsters...

[wintry forge]

Wotc didn't create the term potion. That doesn't make sense they can sue for that. It's a term from 14th century.

[lusty wren]

Tried to, and actually did are two very different thigns

[smoky yoke]

nintendo as well does something similar where you cant talk about their products otherwise your videos get demonetized
or like they take some % of your earnings

[lusty wren]

Yes they cant have a 1:1 recreation of DnD that is the point. They coudl before though

[lusty wren]

Even if they did create it, its not copyrightable. The copyright act is very very clear

[verbal marsh]

nah they never could its been an ongoing copyright contention

[lusty wren]

The OG OGL allowed it in many cases sorry but you are wrong

[somber wind]

The OGL is being walked back

[verbal marsh]

not really when they've to pay 40% backdated.

[somber wind]

because people are jumping ship to Pathfinder

[lusty wren]

You clearly know nothing on this topic so Ill move on

[smoky yoke]

dark and darker will never get sued anyway

[somber wind]

Yeah there's not enough similarity for it to matter

[lusty wren]

Yes went from a hobby of mine, to my day job. Which is why I am moving on 😄

[smoky yoke]

and they said also they wanna make stuff more unique cause it's dark and darker and not dungeons and dragons after all

which i approve

more identity, more originality

[lusty wren]

Not really.

Quite boring most days 😄

[rancid pebble]

If I find a law unjust am i morally in the right to ignore it???
asking for a friend

[verbal marsh]

all the info is on youtube, maybe you should educate yourself.

[lusty wren]

Ya, trust youtubers 😄 OK buddy

Most youtubers are denser than the trolls here

[smoky yoke]

they have the degree of facebook

[rancid pebble]

grad school in twitter

[smoky yoke]

yes

[verbal marsh]

is w/e to me, not my fight just saying you're wrong.

[rancid pebble]

taking a stance implies a fight..

so either you have no stance or are fighting, and losing :/

[lusty wren]

Yes, "I know nothing about this conversation and take the word of youtubers instead of doing real research" got it

[verbal marsh]

if you can't idenfity revenue's of information gathering well sorry.

[wintry forge]

It depends if you're right.

[lusty wren]

HELLUVA link here 😄

Ah

[smoky yoke]

lol

[rancid pebble]

Well im obviously right, that is such a simple subjective fact. Solipsists when

I thought I was wrong once, never again

[smoky yoke]

you are thinking about some new suggestion, suspense?

[rancid pebble]

🤓

[lusty wren]

I still want to know what that tenor link was 😄

Was so impressive in size

[lucid root]

i think it was already suggested, but i liked the idea of collecting items that give you info on the lore, like journals/notes

[rancid pebble]

it was some random on the front page, i was gunna say guys chill its this holiday

it was some random indian holiday with a really shitty tenor image

[lusty wren]

Ah lol

[smoky yoke]

it's something i'd liked to add in my suggestion about the compendium

[rancid pebble]

they do have that one empty stat

item identification speed?

[smoky yoke]

the bestiary, where you can get the info about lore and also numbers/stats of monsters

[rancid pebble]

could be related/ in the works/ could be recommended

[smoky yoke]

especially when there are different type of enemies like nightmare elite ect or whatever their names were called

[wintry forge]

I have 5 hours until I can make a new suggestion. I thought my last suggestion would be more popular.

[smoky yoke]

just the rank

[rancid pebble]

Do they even read suggestions?

[lucid root]

who

devs?

[smoky yoke]

what will be your new suggestion? talk with us so we can discuss it about

[lusty wren]

They have stated multiple times they do

[smoky yoke]

maybe

[lusty wren]

But I am sure they just skip the trolls who shotgun bad suggestions all the time

[lucid root]

graysun popped in here and said they check it sometimes

[wintry forge]

Graysun told me he reads them all and writes down his favorites.

[smoky yoke]

yea true

[lusty wren]

Did you ask how many of yours he has written down? 😄

[smoky yoke]

even if those suggestions have not very many upvotes

[smoky yoke]

its true btw

[wintry forge]

Someone asked him which are his favorites and he said that's "top secret".

[lusty wren]

I see

[smoky yoke]

for the first time suspense's serious

[lucid root]

all the wizard buff suggestions go top priority in their list btw

[wintry forge]

All of my suggestions are serious.

[lusty wren]

They are almost as bad as the people who keep wanting to give rangers even more tools 😄

[smoky yoke]

so even if suggestions get downvoted, there's still a chance
nothing lost
not even sure what about the people complaining about downvotes/upvotes but ok

[lucid root]

sup rogue main

did you get to play in the last test koko?

[smoky yoke]

never doubt about the suggestions
but in this channel here sometimes we can also joke

[smoky yoke]

he uses rogue with the smoke 💣

[lucid root]

what class you play

[lusty wren]

Rogue

😄

Yup, rogue confirmed

Rogue is not even that good. Just a meme 😄

[lucid root]

self hating rogue?

[lusty wren]

Wizard is a better rogue at everything rogue does

[smoky yoke]

not sure if i understood correctly

[lusty wren]

Obfuscation will not work here. We see thru your disguises great rogue

Smoke bomb rolls a critical miss. You choke and take 5hp dmg

[vapid minnow]

it also counted as your rupture, your abilities are on cool down

suddenly, a real wizard with dagger and ignite on it pops out of nowhere and stabs you to death

[lusty wren]

RIP

[vapid minnow]

if only he wasnt rogue

[lusty wren]

🤣

[vapid minnow]

i see chat took a turn for the better, thats always nice

[lucid root]

wizard gets polymorph, eh?

[signal lake]

#d-and-d-suggestions message lets get this reroll merchant into the Crypt fams or wherever 🍻🙌

[lucid root]

i downvoted

[lusty wren]

I actually upvoted this one

Thought it was good

[strange sable]

I downvoted

Seems overpowered

[lusty wren]

If you can choose exactly what it rolls to maybe. But the reroll should still be RNG

IMO

[visual goblet]

What’s the haps fellow dark and darker addicts

On the toilet at work

🙂

[lucid root]

i just don't want any kind of crafting system for specific gear stats, rerolling is probably the least offensive, i just don't want it to feature creep into full blown PoE crafting benches

[strange sable]

It should atleast be a lot more expensive

[lusty wren]

Ya price could use some adjusting I agree

but i like the overall idea

[vapid minnow]

other concern is people with teleport hack and etc, avoid the pvp/riff raff, tp straight to the shrine, inject gold/items to inflate pockets and rmt

easily countered but regardless

[lusty wren]

I mean hacks are there own issues. Hackers can abuse EVERY system in the game

😄

[vapid minnow]

Yes, but a subtle one that might go "unnoticed" for a time.

Just a warning tag that should be slapped on that idea.

When its sent up the flag pole.

[lusty wren]

Teleport hacks are pretty basic to spot.

I think you cant base your gameplay choices around hackers. You just do your best to ban the hackers

[lucid root]

the wallhacks are coming o_o

[lusty wren]

and create a gate for them like purchase price

[vapid minnow]

We can lament over that all day but a new update is a new place to hide every now and then. Dont even need to worry about the "teleport hack" when you can just put a speed limit or "watch" on the shrine. See who's really pumping out disgusting amounts in one raid.

[lusty wren]

Valorant for example has the most invasive anti cheat in the world, and regularly has to apologize to its community about how many hackers they have. its something you just have to continually combat

[vapid minnow]

ok, valorant is valorant

lets play the what if for a second ~ what if they dont go that route

and we dont get that level of care

[lusty wren]

Then the game dies regardless

and its a non issue

😄

[vapid minnow]

Eh, people have put up with worse and those games are still doing "okay"

not my concern regardless

but at the end of it, if we get that care, great

if not, then maybe they should find another solution

[wintry forge]

What do you think about this suggestion?, "This is an alternate to the death swarm circle mechanic. Players very slowly take damage over time while in the dungeon. There's no timer and no circle. Portals only spawn near the center of the map. The goal is to get loot and get out before the environment kills you."

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
ooh i like this

[vapid minnow]

I've seen your other suggestions. Not reading another one from you lol.

[lusty wren]

ID assume by the way the devs talk the plan is to give this sort of care

but

who knows

only time will tell

[visual goblet]

Very good suggestions today! Cheerio y’all

[vapid minnow]

Aye. I thought the idea was good personally. That's a big gamble when a windlass can 1 tap.

Just thought it needs a lot more refinement in the "self-defense" against its players market

[verbal marsh]

got done watching my youtube, yeah I was pretty far off on a few things, but for most part yeah they've always been pushing suits against people lol

[lusty wren]

We all make mistakes 😉

[wintry forge]

Your suggestions are all heavily down voted.

[visual goblet]

It’s true that I do not like the ibstadeath and would rather just take damage but think about a cleric healing forever to troll some team going into hell

That’s why there’s instadeath after last circle collapses

[lusty wren]

Pretty easy to be out before the time runs out. Everyone knows how long it takes raids last. And you have a timer in game

[rancid pebble]

this one seems super cool, if it was a skill or something that certain classes could do

would make cleric less of a must pick for sweaty 3 mans

[lucid root]

turn cleric into a medic lol

[rancid pebble]

battle clerics seething

[visual goblet]

Healing others could be clutch sometimes

[rancid pebble]

yea, it is a little weird that only barb, fighter, cleric, and ranger have self heals

and only cleric can heal others

[wintry forge]

What do you think about this suggestion?, "This is an alternate to the death swarm circle mechanic. Players very slowly take damage over time while in the dungeon. There's no timer and no circle. Portals only spawn near the center of the map. The goal is to get loot and get out before the environment kills you."

[cosmic thistle]

Im a cleric and I am not just a healing accessory.

[lusty wren]

Ya people underestimate what clerics can do in combat

[verbal marsh]

cause no-one who plays cleric is ready for combat 😛

[lucid root]

gear, it can carry any class

[verbal marsh]

Its like rogues thinking they cant pve well lol

[cosmic thistle]

Trust me I got it.

[rancid pebble]

Dont like it much tbh

I just watched that full rubysilver build by sobadstrange, and it is the worst dps cleric build ive seen lmao

[lusty wren]

Constant DOT no thanks

[rancid pebble]

dps cleric can work for sure, ive talked to many people here who make it work

[rotund shell]

What do yall thing about the healing stuff I suggested with being able to use bandages and surgery kits on teammates?

[rancid pebble]

real nice

[cosmic thistle]

Definitely not how I would use a full set of rubysilver as a solo

[verbal marsh]

I just drink beer and punch people if im dpsing cleric lol

[smoky yoke]

kinda weird the fact you upvote yourself but it's nice
reminds me of vermintide

needs more coop actions like you suggested

[lusty wren]

I dislike it personally. but that is just me. I like interaction speed making these things slower for certain classes helps balance them

[rancid pebble]

it was pitiful man, the slow was hilarious, and all in all it was just unbearable to watch

[rotund shell]

As cleric I tend to go the buffer road. I buff up my fighter and assist him in combat watching his back mainly and confirming kills when possibly.

[verbal marsh]

nah, cause fighters would make better clerics then clerics were that case.

[smoky yoke]

but if a cleric heals you with a bandage, it will be still slow cause of his interaction speed

[lusty wren]

Agreed

[smoky yoke]

i doubt it changes anything

[lusty wren]

Not if a rogue does it

Or a ranger

[rancid pebble]

yea

[smoky yoke]

gg

[rancid pebble]

the only downside is it would take two people i guess out of the fight

[cosmic thistle]

They only played cleric to run a full team for rubysilver mining trips. Sobadstrange is not a cleric main and it shows

[rancid pebble]

like a campfire where you are vulnerable, but you only get healed after the animation still so there is some risk

[verbal marsh]

takes fighter half a second to use bandages with sprint lol

[lusty wren]

Close a door and boom its done. It takes way a balance possibility for these classes

[cosmic thistle]

Which is fine because they are a very good player and so are a decent cleric for that reason regardless.

[smoky yoke]

maybe a fixed interaction speed that's universal?
which is slower for everyone
and of course this it doesnt count when you heal yourself

[rancid pebble]

Fr. its fine because he is a content creator, but like cmon man he could have killed lich so easy if he had other armor

[lusty wren]

This still takes away its ability to help balance which I dislike

[rotund shell]

I agree that's why I suggest aswell making it a potential skill for anyone or only select classes.

[rancid pebble]

yea thats the main thing, I feel like druid should have this ability

[lusty wren]

Ya this may change my opinion if it was a perk for cleric or something for example

[verbal marsh]

interaction speed is op, until someone just breaks tha door xD

[rancid pebble]

My whole thing is cleric doesnt need more heal options, he already has the magic heals through the roof,

[lusty wren]

Balance, only one class can do this

[rotund shell]

I feel like it would be a ranger perk or a bard when it comes out even

[verbal marsh]

two

[rancid pebble]

Bard for sure, ranger no

[lusty wren]

Bard perk could work

[wintry forge]

Why don't you like it. I'm thinking it will give players more of a sense of urgency to get out of the dungeon. It will also make fighting riskier the longer you stay in the dungeon.

[rancid pebble]

ranger has his self heal, doesn't need this buff. Thematically it makes sense since he is a ranger in the forest or whatever but balance wise nah

[lusty wren]

have it have a health regen song. But if it wants to actually "HEAL" someone they can bandage them

[lusty wren]

Rations need a nerf

[smoky yoke]

@lusty wren what if was possible to give with some animation to players like say, a molotov, a bandage, or other times
i think some interaction like this might be good
just give to inventory to inventory
you may say you can also just drop and they take it but idk
i liked the interaction between players

[rotund shell]

I feel like the theme of ranger as a like warden capable of offense and support would make it the ability cool for them just theme wise

[rancid pebble]

Because it is constant damage over time, it would make the game annoying and less enjoyable which are never factors a new game should strive for

[smoky yoke]

to give a bandage with M2

[lusty wren]

Rangers have best CC, and best self sustain, with its crazy dmg. Its just too much

[smoky yoke]

if near a player

[verbal marsh]

I just came up with a new thought hrm.

[rancid pebble]

rations def need a nerf, i can have better uptime as a ranger than some fighters with their heal

[smoky yoke]

they need to have a very long cooldown

[cosmic thistle]

You are a cleric just like me. We mustn't speak of other classes in this way.

[rancid pebble]

raed what proxy said, its just too much for his kit

[visual goblet]

True balance wise might be dangerous for the cleric to be too op or the fighter to surpass the cleric… some people bring like 10X bandages

[smoky yoke]

even x50

[rancid pebble]

agreed, also the fact he has three and fighter has one? Or that barb only gets 10% health on a player KILL? Like it is just too good comparatively

[visual goblet]

Would need to stop both players but be 2x faster maybe???

[lusty wren]

I bring in 9 health pots and 9 bandages as a cleric every raid. Pots/bandages for out of combat, heals for teammates in combat

[rotund shell]

I only played cleric in the tests so that's a fair point.

[lucid root]

9? Damn I bring 3 of each lol

[cosmic thistle]

potions and bandages are neat and all but cleric spells get you back to full way faster

[lusty wren]

YUP 9. I like to be able to be wreckless in pve

[rotund shell]

I just like the like theme aspect of some stuff and can be silly

[visual goblet]

I used to bring 3 health pots that’s it

[verbal marsh]

What if your "spellcasting" skill had an actual skill attached to it instead of blockng a slot hrm, When you fully cast a spell you can hit "e" and empower it once every 3 minutes hrm. Then they could nerf some of the spells.

[lusty wren]

Cleric spells are in combat. Pots/bandages out of combat save ur spells man

[rancid pebble]

I bring 3 pots 3 bandages and 6 prots, just loot the people you murder 🙄

[smoky yoke]

i saw people just running their inventory full of potions
and like when i say full, just full

[cosmic thistle]

Cleric spells are for combat and out of combat.

[smoky yoke]

filled of potions and bandages
just people tryharding in the high roller dungeons

[lucid root]

Such a waste

[visual goblet]

Full trap ranger is nice tho 😄

[lusty wren]

Nah, that is wasteful 😄 I also go to hell every raid possible so extra heals is nice

[torpid quiver]

well ppl missing the point still

[visual goblet]

Full trap inv

[rotund shell]

Yeah I suppose that would make the skill better if it were just for clerics to make thier out of combat healing better.

[smoky yoke]

kinda yea

[visual goblet]

?

[rancid pebble]

Tharsis is back!!!!!

[smoky yoke]

but a bit meta

[cosmic thistle]

I take one point of damage, im using a holy light or two just to be safe
Because I have kindness perk

[rotund shell]

What point?

[lusty wren]

Way more efficient though to just pop a pot or bandage in that situation

[torpid quiver]

im out for good i just cant help i cant bear stupidity anymore was going here after having faced off with more idiots im done too much for toiday bye

[rancid pebble]

adios

[cosmic thistle]

Yeah. Im greedy and like to keep my potions though. 😦

[rancid pebble]

what potions are so cheap

I use them just to spite people

[lusty wren]

Ya, I will take 1hp dmg and pop a pot 😄 they are so easy to replace

[rancid pebble]

popping blues in spawn, reds when im full

[lucid root]

Isn't it only like 6 gold for the cheap potion

[rotund shell]

Cheap to mean like bad in this instance,

[smoky yoke]

very bannable as message

[verbal marsh]

1/4 of my bank was full of potions cause I hardly ever spammed them lol

If the double buffing remains I'll fix that next playtest : 3

[rancid pebble]

Idk about yall but I was so pendant greedy

I had like 30 pendants for no reason, my stash was full of junk

[verbal marsh]

I never had problem with jewelry half the pug grps I joined didn't know to check those slots after I killed enemy grps.

[rancid pebble]

yoink

i would see like the worlds shittiest blue pendant and be like " yea I def need that +3 spell casting slots as a ranger"

[lucid root]

I think half the players didn't even get to the point of having a decent piece of gear in every slot

From my experience

[lusty wren]

Alot of people had gear fear for some stupid reason in a PT also was funny

Gear was VERY easy to get in this PT

Glad devs want to reduce loot

[rancid pebble]

gear fear is hilarious

i def didnt have it on wipe day...

the pt ended and I still had a full gear set after getting killed 😛

[lusty wren]

I tried to run thru all my gear but didnt die enough at the end

So my last raid I shoved as much gear in my inventory as possible

managed to die then

[white cliff]

I had too much gear, I think I only inventory wiped once or twice after a heavy loss streak.

All it takes is a good win streak and your stash is filled with gear a few thousand gold.

Takes a while to get rid of.

Plus you vendor whatever’s not for your class and that’s even more.

[wintry forge]

Any ideas for my future suggestions? (FYI, I've only played Rogue and fighter.)

[lusty wren]

Nerf rations

Lots of ways this could be done while keeping the skill. Or just remove it Whateva 😄

[vapid minnow]

100 of my 160 hours last pt were ranger. I'll never use ration again if I'm in norms. Otherwise yeah, for HR for the mirror matchups and "sweats"

it has its uses then ~ otherwise its a crutch for the bad

50/50 on it

[verbal marsh]

rations are good; else you'll just get one shot while low.

I'm not that great of a ranger, shooters are not my forte

I hope they slow down the ms while drawling a longbow tho. Would give a bit more adv to faster bows with peeking

several people would shoot me from cover where I cant even see them using peeking :< too much adv

[vapid minnow]

Now, imagine you dont have a bow, portable heals, and then you're almost every other class 🙂

As much as I love ranger... ehhh... maybe not as much or as strong.

But at the same time, try getting to expect this player base to be able to juggle healing the archer and the fighter at the same time.

So yeah, maybe rations is the way to go and wizard doesn't get one because of the tools in his kit.

[rancid pebble]

as a ranger main

I have to say that ranger is op

he can do so much, and I think the buffs u suggested kinji are laughable, he doesnt need it

2 charges on field ration would be enough to balance that I think, along with a longer animation, and longbow IMO is incentivized too much, survival and recurve need changes as well as longbow having a nerf

[lucid root]

New wizard skill, multi-fireball

[rancid pebble]

real and true

chain fireball if it hits within 20 meters it magnetizes to the nearest player and does 300 damage

[lucid root]

Chain invis, make everyone on the map invisible

[rancid pebble]

Seems under powered..

[lucid root]

Is it incredibly useless...? 🤔

[rancid pebble]

tbh wuzard sucks, ned buff

he should always be invis

[lucid root]

I wonder if the wand will have an auto attack

[rancid pebble]

he should be able to type out the players name and they instantly die

for balance purposes..

[lucid root]

I see no issue with these proposals

[rancid pebble]

i love that little guy so much.

[magic yacht]

surely

[lucid root]

And don't forget the tactical nuke spell

[rotund shell]

I was looking through the suggestions and saw a loot goblin thing that sounded neat as heck

[lusty wren]

Which one of the 50?

😄

[rotund shell]

One of the more recent ones I think

I just like the idea of there being a Lil gobo boi

[lucid root]

I'm gonna slap that guy right in his dumb goblin face

Where's my money?!

[rotund shell]

Exactly

Let's bully them

[lusty wren]

I like the loot gob idea but some of the suggestions take it to far

[lucid root]

All the clever ways I can murder that green bastard

[lusty wren]

Or just step around the gas like everyone else 😄

[rotund shell]

I think the gas shouldn't last as long as it does

But I'm a wimp

[lusty wren]

Gas is just a non issue in general IMO

Its very easily countered

walk around it being the easiest counter ever 😄

[rotund shell]

I agree as a cleric with the damage mitigation perk but it is annoying for my squishy friends

[lusty wren]

Or kill the zomb faster that one works well also

[lusty wren]

Why? it moves very slowly they shouldnt take dmg from it if they are paying attn

[rotund shell]

Well in most cases it's we enter the first room kill the zombie It made a cloud then we get pushed and we are dancing around people and the cloud and it can just get overwhelming when it last like 5 min

[lusty wren]

5 min is a gross overexaggeration 😄 I mean pull back to the room you cleared before hand and fight there? 😄 I just dont see it being an issue I dunno

[opaque slate]

enemy spam is simply bad game design and its even worse when theyre annoying enemies

[rotund shell]

Is it though like those clouds stick around a very long time

[lusty wren]

No where near 5 min. 5 min is half the raid 😄

[opaque slate]

its a min or less

[agile condor]

Hello hello, everyone playing nice today? :)))

[neon meadow]

make a suggestion, it gets downvoted to oblivion. streamer makes same exact suggestion, updoots galore

[ionic mango]

who? @neon meadow

[neon meadow]

sobad

[ionic mango]

cant find it

[neon meadow]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @ionic mango dis is it. As long as we get it idc who gets the credit. But for shame, on everyone just following the bigger names

[ionic mango]

for what is worth i voted 👎

[lusty wren]

Link yours

[neon meadow]

NOOOOO, it should be in game. Would increase the risk and add another level of gameplay

[lusty wren]

I could care less if dude was a streamer all his other suggestions are pretty dog water 😄

[ionic mango]

i dont fancy the idea of a lot more people walking around with +4 true magical damage on every piece of gier

[lusty wren]

Can you link ur version of it to see the differences?

[neon meadow]

It would be a random reroll, which means it may not happen

I'll try to find, i post alot

[lusty wren]

I tried searching for it but couldnt find it 😄

[neon meadow]

I also can't find it, but it's literally the exact same. I just didn't put prices down and said something along the lines of different prices based on item quality

[lusty wren]

Ya, I actually dont like that suggestions prices

Think they are way to low

[neon meadow]

I don't either, but it's an idea i posted months ago. So i like it xD

I think green reroll should be around 100. make players pay for better gear, literally

[lusty wren]

Ya for sure

Id have no doubts plenty of the ... low IQ people around here though see streamer and just upvote to be a cuck 😄

[neon meadow]

☝️

[verbal marsh]

which one of my streamers put in a suggestion i need to vote

[neon meadow]

Just goes to show you why people pay celebs for endorsements

[neon meadow]

scroll up a bit

[verbal marsh]

Hrm not a bad suggestion, but needs work

I think endgame gear progression definitely needs to be addressed.

How long does it take in tarkov fe: before everyone is rolling around with best ammo and weapon?

[neon meadow]

everyone? like 2 months, experienced players couple of days

[lusty wren]

Devs already said that loot drop rates are very tuned up right now for the PT

and that they will be lowering them dramatically

[verbal marsh]

I feel like it would be roughly 1 month, and experienced players probably the same for dad.

[lusty wren]

In tarkov? Its like 2 days for the good players LOL

[neon meadow]

DaD it's like a day. HR you can cheese all the mobs, so getting gear is just a matter of making a quck 70 then infinite cash

[lusty wren]

Again devs have already adressed this saying the loot tables are very high right now

said they want to tune up AI to not be as cheasable also so kinda non issues 😄

[neon meadow]

loot tables got nerfed and it's still that way. Plus you can cheese the bosses

[verbal marsh]

I still think my durability suggestion is good; Just to have like skeleton slayer weapons that required 20 or so kills before you can fully unlock its status as a magic weapon.

[lusty wren]

They literally stated this after the PT 😄

[neon meadow]

I don't like durability on weapons TBH

[verbal marsh]

its okay noone liked my suggestion come vote it down : 3 I'm aiming for 100 votes

#d-and-d-suggestions message

they either like one part hate the other but I'm going to slide them together like a politician.

lol

[keen narwhal]

hi

darkplay

[halcyon island]

shout out to @somber wind for putting all our loot goblins suggestions into one very good suggestion and it will be a fun feature to the game if added
i love you Zandorum

[verbal marsh]

lol at the gas zombie complaint xD, use 2h weapon range and they never belch

lol at un immersive casting range suggestion, stuff like that would also help visualize enemies in the dark. Also the spells state their casting range.

[somber wind]

Lol thx dude

[verbal marsh]

I kinda like the idea of varying poison strengths so I like the slight of hand poisoning idea.

I don't like the bandage idea cause bandages would have to change as a whole to vary the interaction speeds and benefits to being able to use them on another player.

selfie mode, sounds so 2008 fergi

[strange fiber]

I call dibs on doing lootgoblin voice

[verbal marsh]

more dnd themes would be great if you intend to lose a 25% cut, else I think game is still in safe zone on their bs

Feel like Mimics are already essentially lewt goblins; It would be cool if mimics actually held previous rounds dead player lewt which could explain why the box became a mimic.

Maybe allow players to do some hitman 3 box stuffing to create them.

Actually would be a cool druid spell hrm; Mimic trap, stuff enemy corpse into a box and becomes alerted via box sight when its triggered.

[halcyon island]

you better go full goblin mode

[verbal marsh]

I'm not a fan of that old trope, feel like it detracts from immersion placing it more into a pantimeme theme. Honestly hope they're going for more of a Mature audience.

Guess we'll see with how they depict their bard hrm

[agile flare]

People will always try and solo que a game, so making it easier to group with people is a very good idea, or just making a lil dungeon crawling experience is fun right?

[verbal marsh]

problem is with in-game grp finder you'll just run into grief commonly.

They don't have on in tarkov I dont see need for one in dad.

[agile flare]

No no not even an in game group finder, like if you see someone in the game, when you die you can get a lobby of people, maybe add them if you were with people etc

something so that it's not feeling like whenever you go in solo, you're muted and can't breach the divide

[verbal marsh]

I'm not against it I just don't think players will enjoy the deconomy it creates in a friendly fire game.

The type of player that generally wants that thing will be turned away from the game based on that same thing lol

If you rely on community over extensively like that it will generally let you down. In-game chat is generally toxic.

It is easier to create features that isolate solo players rather then try to give them an inclusiveness to pander on other social groups.

I think league of legends is a good example of this

[somber wind]

@verbal marsh I came up with something similar to LFG but people seemed to dislike it; I went pretty indepth and also created a honey pot for people who WANT to grief so people would beable to if they wanted to but wouldn't actually bother people who don't want to fight their teammates.

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[verbal marsh]

That is an interesting idea, I like it. Perhaps you'll have better basis on how to structure it once quests come out however.

[somber wind]

Yeee

[verbal marsh]

Would kinda be cool if you could just lfg invite pay in the trade lobby or something also.

I think such a service would be linked more to the questing system however.

Somewhat reminiscent to scav rating.

[strange fiber]

scavs here? no way man

[verbal marsh]

naked players are scavs lol

otherwise it'd just be a way to armor shop, hire them, and bonk. lol

[somber wind]

Eh alot of people say Rats or Rags from what I can tell for Dark and Darker

[gaunt scroll]

"maybe u can add a Champions Chest in the store that cost 10$ per chest and inside the chest it can have new champions like queen of the spiders and king of the pirates classes or amummy or fighter or barb or cleric etc… but u start the game with 1 free one then u have to buy more for unlock other classes ? "

such a absurd suggest I ever seen literally p2w all the way

[somber wind]

Speaking of, I want a Rat species

also yeah that's absurd baka lol

[visual goblet]

I don’t like pay to win?

[gaunt scroll]

even my cousin 10 year old has better suggestion

[somber wind]

Let me guess

[gaunt scroll]

same here my guy

he want horse in dungeon game

[somber wind]

Desolant suggested it?

[gaunt scroll]

and pet collect loots

[somber wind]

or Beanz?

I assume Desolant

[gaunt scroll]

and I gave him feedback and saying I'm insulting him

i dont wanna know who

but u know then ignore him

[somber wind]

Every suggestion Desolant posts is P2W

[gaunt scroll]

literally baiting

[somber wind]

Just dislike it and ignore them, they're just a troll

Sucks but yeah

Would anyone be against something like Rat Men?

I wanna beable to basically be a Skaven

[gaunt scroll]

look my previous feedback for him he saying why getting down voted all the time

yeah your right

[soft relic]

It depends on implementation. Having races with a smaller hitbox size could be an issue.

[gaunt scroll]

true

[soft relic]

Makes dodging easier, which can cause balance issues.

[somber wind]

Nah they already said they don't want varied height

everything would be the same height

hence Dwarves aren't happening

[soft relic]

I must have missed that

[somber wind]

same for other short races

It was in an interview on twitch

They said lore wise stuff like Dwarves and such will exist

but wont be playable for balance reasons

I was just imagining the ratmen being the same height as humans

Like if the stood up straight they'd be taller but they'd all be hunched over

Likely bigger hitbox

[soft relic]

I wouldn't care too much, then. Honestly it would be better than the skeleton skin.

[somber wind]

Skeleton Skin was actually insanely good

for Wizard

As wizard you normally take off all of your clothes immediately

but getting free Magic Resist

was glorious

(Free because you don't need armor)

[soft relic]

Yeah. Not particularly a fan of skins looking too much like the AI mobs. It wasn't a huge issue, but sometimes it made it harder to quickly tell what body was the player and what was the mob if you got into a decent sized fight with mixed players/mobs.

[somber wind]

I do think that the Skeleton race should've only been the Red one

[soft relic]

I'd rather see rat-people than skeleton skins due to that

[somber wind]

so you could know at a glance

[soft relic]

There were red skeletons, too

[somber wind]

Not the same kind of red I don't think? Maybe I never noticed

[soft relic]

I'm not good at telling different shades of the same colors haha

[somber wind]

But yeah I'd want them to be distinguishable as well

That said I do like a Skeleton Race

because you normally cant be "evil" races

[gaunt scroll]

to be honest I don't like game with cosmetic skin people will have default armour but skins literally p2w so bad

[somber wind]

I'm a Skeleton in Dungeons and Dragons because I like the oddity of a holy skeleton

Oh they wont be buyble

[gaunt scroll]

holy skeleton

hell yeee

if they adding vampire monsters

silver coins is going be fun

throw silver coins make them hurt

[somber wind]

I would want vampires for sure

[gaunt scroll]

but u can't carry silver coins

[somber wind]

I think it'd be cool if a player was killed by a vampire

they become a thrall until the vampire is killed

[gaunt scroll]

if that was a class

[somber wind]

Treat vampires like the Wraiths are treated

place 1

[gaunt scroll]

lol

[somber wind]

give em good health

maybe give em life steal

[gaunt scroll]

i really wanna see debugging caster like shaman

[somber wind]

the thrall thing would be messed up since you couldn't revive a teammate unless you killed the vampire

[gaunt scroll]

mainly focus on debuff

[somber wind]

We're getting Druid

[gaunt scroll]

debuff*

not debugging god dam auto correct

[somber wind]

Bard, Artificer, Druid, Monk, Paladin, Sorcerer, Warlock

Bard is next

[gaunt scroll]

this is hype

[somber wind]

Druid is most likely next after Bard but that's alot more speculation then actually knowing

We do know Druid will have animal form

and we do know that a Bear is one of the forms

btw you know the difference between Wizard, Sorcerer and Warlock right? @gaunt scroll or nah?

Since alot of people I've seen asking why there would be 3 mage classes

[gaunt scroll]

yes

[somber wind]

kk, I hope we get multiple patrons

Instead of it just being 1 patron so we can have "archtypes" of Warlocks

(Was mostly asking since I wanted to mention that lol)

[steady cloud]

When they add shaman ?

Or death knight ?

[somber wind]

Ik you're just messing around but I might as well mention for the edification of others. I'm fairly certain the function of Shaman is being handled by Druid tbh if it's going to be like D&D and Death Knight is mostly just flavor in it's function and will most likely beable to be done when we get multi-classing since SDF was saying we'd be getting that, I'd imagine Fighter + Warlock would be close to Death Knight.

[lone harbor]

so barbarian-archer gameplay is confirmed?

[wintry forge]

@frosty creek There's no such thing as bad team composition. Just think of it as 3 solos working together.

[white cliff]

Triple class comps are actually very oppressive.

[agile condor]

Triple Archer is interesting as you don't need to worry about teammates to hit generally

[agile condor]

Hmm @regal shale - #d-and-d-suggestions message so like a 70g Stackable Item that's used for accessing High Roller, tradeable as well I assume

[granite plinth]

shaman is elements and druid is animals

big difference

shaman uses rocks, wind, etc like avatar

[somber wind]

I know

[granite plinth]

👍

[agile condor]

He's saying in function

[granite plinth]

its not about function because then u can just simplify all classes, its about fun in variety

[agile condor]

I'm just saying his post was about function

[granite plinth]

Like imagine a game with just tank, healer, dps. and another with different varietys like king of the pirates and queen of the spiders

[agile condor]

Not looking to debate anything that isn't a debate lol

[granite plinth]

🙈 im confused bro

[agile condor]

Cool - no reason to go into it more lol

[verbal marsh]

ew no suggestions for additional currencies please, silver being in the game is bad enough

[vapid minnow]

A druid is a little bit of both elemental and a lot of animal magic. They don't do much outside of touch magic though and maybe a very very very short range missile. But the magic they cast is nature related. Much like how Cleric gets a "smite" augment for their melee weapon, druids usually get an elemental version.

[fervent crag]

There’s a 6 hour cooldown on suggestions now.
Delete my suggestion wardens if you see this, ID: 1541077

[vapid minnow]

Good. Some of these people don't even deserve to make a suggestion.

So make it count boys 🙂

[verbal marsh]

Did you vote on mine yet?

[vapid minnow]

link it

[verbal marsh]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[fervent crag]

Oh i downvoted that awhile ago

Like a week ago

[verbal marsh]

Just checkin, all the cool people voted on it already :3

[fervent crag]

Here ill change it to a upvote, not like it’ll make a difference.

[verbal marsh]

guess since you've voted on that one already I ressurect a different one hrm

Here is what I potentially think of bard: #d-and-d-suggestions message

[vapid minnow]

Yea that's a no for me. Didn't care if it got implemented until I saw the last part where you have a "bonus on kill for its repairability"

Like, that would be okay on one weapon because that weapon is a "unique" weapon forged by powerful magic, but the average sword isn't going to be that special. It seems frivolous and doesn't really bring much to the game. Anyone who can afford it will bring a secondary or some repair kits.

[verbal marsh]

oh I didnt word it greatly; But that one is more like - You find a weapon: Blue, Skeleton Slaying: 20, kill 20 skeletons to gain stats.

otherwise it just does white dmg or something.

[fervent crag]

Make sure you guys downvote my suggestion if you haven’t already.

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[vapid minnow]

In that context then, wait till the skill system comes out. They're probably going to add that in a different way.

[agile condor]

Definitely don't play Path of Exile XD

[verbal marsh]

yeah thats a token f2p mechanic.

next thing you know we all rollin in disney money

[fervent crag]

Also this one

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[agile condor]

Huh?

[vapid minnow]

not really fair to suggest that right now ~ as it stands the assets they're using are very cheap or free

[verbal marsh]

first you've silver, then gold, then platinum, then black card...

[agile condor]

Think you've played 1 too many mobile games lol

[vapid minnow]

^^ A lot of people dont even know what the black card is or its credit limit for the entry level holders

I dont know if its strictly an American thing either

[verbal marsh]

depends on bank whether it has any meaning

so many different banks if you dont know which it is doesn't mean anything lol

[vapid minnow]

never leave your own backyard, never concern yourself with these things problem solved

[agile condor]

A game can have p2w with no currencies or 100 currencies in the game

[verbal marsh]

I just dont like exchanging a currencies in game. It's meaningless unless you've a global conflict economy.

So I give a pass on some space games but aside from that eh

[agile condor]

What do you think rubypowder became? Or Candy Canes? or Items?

Or Golden Keys

[verbal marsh]

seasonal eco items.

[vapid minnow]

In this context then, anything is a currency.

[verbal marsh]

they're good for 1 month then they go into hybernation.

[agile condor]

Exactly

[vapid minnow]

fyi i'm not taking a stance on this, im playing devils advocate for you two until it gets to a better place.

[granite plinth]

25g for candy cane seems too much, can never find anything good in shop

[verbal marsh]

you're correct in that regard until it's used as a primary transaction hold.

I mean if it wasnt a holiday bs thing in first place yeah I would be against the cane system as well.

[agile condor]

The difference is a currency like Gold holds little/no inherent value, where as Candy Canes & RubyPowder do

[verbal marsh]

but that is kinda like holidays in first place u buy bs for them.

[vapid minnow]

but kinji

its going to be candy corn, candy cane, or something almost all year long

[agile condor]

Rubypowder is seasonal?

[verbal marsh]

That is more like a resource then a currency however.

[vapid minnow]

Nah, we're talking about the candy cane. Last pt it was candy corn.

[verbal marsh]

So we both are correct in our own regards as well.

[agile condor]

Yeah I don't even feel like arguing with him that it doesn't matter, so lets stick with RubyPowder lol

[verbal marsh]

Resources are not currencies.

currencies are fabricated

[agile condor]

?

[verbal marsh]

its like me calling this piece of paper worth 20 of what you have.

[vapid minnow]

Why are we arguing the meta of the nature?

[agile condor]

Pretty sure it's just anything that can be used as a medium of exchange

Rice, Rocks, Sticks, Candy Canes, Trident Layers, Gold, Coins, Bills, Silver, Etc

[granite plinth]

What if you can trade gold like a commodity? Would that be too difficult to implement

[vapid minnow]

moving on

[verbal marsh]

because someone was trying to take shot and me saying no more currencies in-game, silver is bad enough.

[granite plinth]

I means like stock market

[verbal marsh]

Then they attempted to make the arguement that a resource is a currency.

but even the gold is a resource, cause the game doesnt exactly give you gold aside from the venders purchasing resources for gold...

[agile condor]

Gold can be a resource, and also a currency lol

Doesn't have to be mutually exclusive

[verbal marsh]

which makes the gold into a currency. the only currency at this moment. aside from candycanes like they said.

which I last argued that is kinda just holiday bs and I give it a pass.

[vapid minnow]

But its just going to come back again, all year long most likely.

[agile condor]

I trade stuff to vendors and they give me Ruby Ingots & Ruby Powder

I trade that back to them for gear

[vapid minnow]

Last time was Candy Canes, the time before that was corn, if they add it into every playtest then its going to be apart of normal life :\

[verbal marsh]

yeah its a seasonal economy thing so its kinda turned into a seasonal resource in-game rather then a currency.

[agile condor]

Candy Hearts INC

[verbal marsh]

but yeah its still a currency and yeah its on the edge of what i hate.

[vapid minnow]

do you have any proof of it being seasonal instead of just a placeholder for a system that wont be going away?

like yes, the items themselves are season themed

but i dont think the system itself is seasonal

[granite plinth]

Introduce banks. Paper weights, investments and an economic collapse

[verbal marsh]

yeah well its trash I hope they are not leaning to the idea I think you're suggesting

that they could potentially go

[agile condor]

Kinji needs to play Path of Exile 😄

[verbal marsh]

I dont like poe that much

i play it maybe once a year

[agile condor]

Welcome to 100 currencies

[verbal marsh]

hardcore mode

until i die

then i put it away a year.

[vapid minnow]

Just an infinite merchant who sits there every day, day in and out, that you can pump some type of currency/resource into like candy canes to get legendaries. It wont be saint nick, it doesn't matter what it is either. I personally could care less, I do a lot of naked runs and just enjoy the pvp. But idk, considering how they knelt for the rapier nerfs at the start of the most recent pt and its prior ~ i'm betting they'll kneel for the scrubs a little more too.

[verbal marsh]

that is the best way to play poe imo

If it wasnt for the rarity of the candy cane I would have hated it more tbh

[vapid minnow]

cc wasnt rare though, go farm mummies

[verbal marsh]

But now that you really break it down, I just hate it entirely now.

[vapid minnow]

i was getting 40 cc a run

on a low end*

dw, ill make ya hate it more

[agile condor]

Don't tell him, he'll hate the game more lol

[vapid minnow]

:))

[verbal marsh]

They need to change the seasonal rewards to just seasonal eye candy not good stat gear.

[granite plinth]

I just buy cc to clear out my stash full of gold

[verbal marsh]

maybe with a craftable atmosphere with the crafting mats to make em good, but not based on the cane itself.

[agile condor]

I still don't know how CC is much different than Ruby Powder lol

[vapid minnow]

Kinji, idk if you're aware but i think it was the end of the last pt, they changed the loot tables around in a very big way

archers dropped archer gear, etc etc.

[verbal marsh]

yeah I noticed

[vapid minnow]

figured i'd share that with you so you can collect some more data for yourself on the next pt for some suggestions

you seem earnest enough

[verbal marsh]

I was mainly hunting archers and wizards in first place thought it was already like that lol

[vapid minnow]

figured you'd appreciate it

[agile condor]

Exactly, which was the same spirit as the suggestion he doesn't like

[vapid minnow]

Shortly after... when do we get candy cane cases like tarkov

zzz could care less about all the stash management

Its impure

All I need is a direction and a weapon. stab stab stab

[verbal marsh]

Well even in ultima I started managing my millions in expensive assets.

[vapid minnow]

did you see the pie chart for people sitting in their inventory?

or whatever it was

line graph

[verbal marsh]

But I think the crafting system could easily take that as well.

The Ruby is already 25g ea

[vapid minnow]

The crafting system... 25 ingots or dust for a chest piece at 6 ore per dust or 10 per ingot for gear that wont save you... thats a whole bag of worms

[granite plinth]

I just need one buttom to buy all my prep items instead of repetively buying them separately

[real trellis]

just buy several extras and keep them in your stash

[vapid minnow]

Not interested in all of that. Last PT sucked in that regard.

Having to wait endlessl

on teammates because they want to sort their stash

[verbal marsh]

its even more annoying when they use trade.

ended up being like 10-15 min per a que cause those types.

[vapid minnow]

They ought to add some QOL stuff in that regard like "Dump all junk items"

[granite plinth]

True, maybe only having one vendor is better?

[vapid minnow]

So that these guys can just "brainlessly" add all of the junk things to the treasurer.

[verbal marsh]

I didn't care too often tho since I played so much It was like a mini break to cook and sit

[real trellis]

I find that such issues are only a problem when you succeed too much

[granite plinth]

I dnt see why I have to go to different vendors, just combine them all into one

[real trellis]

literally suffering from success

[vapid minnow]

Well, even if I dont succeed too much, its their slow fingers and slow selling.

If they were just faster and less interested in gold...

it wouldnt be that big of a deal.

[verbal marsh]

If junk is going to remain junk they need a sell all junk button tbh

[real trellis]

I don't mind there being different vendors but there should really be an option to send gold from vendor sales directly to your stash

[verbal marsh]

They should just make that decision now.

[vapid minnow]

Aye, gold to stash, fast dumping of grey and bad items, etc etc.

All simple QOL stuff

[granite plinth]

Ppl are gonna hoard, its just how they are

[verbal marsh]

I endorse this suggestion

[vapid minnow]

ergo small stashes and wipes.

just wish the exp wasn't a wipe

But some people need it as a tutorial

so I get it

[verbal marsh]

I dont think seasonal wipes are the best solution.

[vapid minnow]

Because of/

What if they added prestige? Every wipe was a EXP%+ modifier

level 1-20 is such a short walk anyways

[verbal marsh]

Might be better to jsut do the PoE route, Where you've a season. Then it goes to regular.

Since you seem to love poe so much

[vapid minnow]

me?

i never said poe

[verbal marsh]

lol my bad

[vapid minnow]

never even played it

xD

was about to ask you what the poe route was

lololol

[verbal marsh]

Ah well PoE has its seasonal hardcore, then if your character dies or when the season ends. It simply becomes a normal character.

[vapid minnow]

Oh, ladder characters.

Like D2

Hmm...

[verbal marsh]

I think thats the best solution

[vapid minnow]

I need to research it more. I never understood it. I was too young at the time.

And by the time I got into other games, that concept was gone.

[granite plinth]

There's not a lot of things to spend with gold, maybe unlocking skills should cost gold

[verbal marsh]

I wouldn't be oppose to being able to eat a meal in the tavern for a small buff.

[vapid minnow]

So it creates two separate instances of the game. The ladder characters exist within an outdated version of the game atypically and can't interact across the seasons. It would be a "good way" to hide the high roller leaderboard people and let the more geared casuals have another place to hide.

I think that'd be something I could get behind.

Its a proof of mastery concept.

If you're a sweat, make a ladder character.

[verbal marsh]

yep

Most people will play ladder

[vapid minnow]

Constant wipes on it, etc etc. Keeps it fresh and invigoration.

Keeps the blade of pvp sharp

or the desire for it rather

[verbal marsh]

Thats when you gotta watch out not to get tempted by evil marketing ideas too >.>

[granite plinth]

What if you make characters die permanently and have to restart to zero or minus 3 lvls ?

[vapid minnow]

Hardcore characters.

Would be fun just for the lulz.

Not particularly necessary but not "bad"

[granite plinth]

I dnt like that people with no loot rush aggressively(me) to a random squad to ruin their day

[vapid minnow]

But it should be a choice.

[verbal marsh]

game is already pretty hardcore

[vapid minnow]

Brokie, you'll hate me. I rush spawns and suicide when I see half the server is dead.

I don't want loot, I just want you back in the menu with me.

[granite plinth]

Default items, nothing to lose

[vapid minnow]

Default Item*

I take off everything but teh weapon

and go naked skele

[verbal marsh]

I farm specific spots and aim for specific encounters

[vapid minnow]

[granite plinth]

Rush barbarian lol

[verbal marsh]

I tend to roam areas that give me advantage.

[vapid minnow]

I just took an addict's exhale.

Shaking wishing DaD was here.

it was just for a second :() all this talk of naked pvp

[verbal marsh]

Blue's were fairly common, and easy to trade for a weapon. I never really went in all naked lol

[granite plinth]

Anyways, I like gambling, give me a stock market that can be manipulated by a group of trihard gamers to crash the economy into a recession, inequality would be a problem tho

[regal shale]

yes

[verbal marsh]

ok bankman

[regal shale]

that's right

i had over 10k gold in 3days, so i exchanged all of it to CANDY, but CANDY was full too.

[verbal marsh]

No more currencies D: you guys do know they're adding chests and stuff to hold more gold.

[granite plinth]

Also add a hunger and thirst system so in an economic depression food and water is hard to come buy and expensive making surviving much harder

[vapid minnow]

So because you're hording, you're forcing a problem that you want fixed?

The issue you're facing would go away if you managed your interests better.

[regal shale]

if you did't find good item for you, you will hording like me

[neon meadow]

no thank you, adding monotonous systems don't add value. Just make the game more annoying

[vapid minnow]

No, because sometimes when I go in a raid, I make it clear to myself ~ loot is unimportant, especially when I can buy whatever I want already.

[verbal marsh]

I spent my gold consistantly so it wouldnt stack up like that lol

[vapid minnow]

I get you dont like to pvp that much but yeah, once you can buy whatever you want for yourself, looting is a waste of time.

[verbal marsh]

looting is my fav part of game D:

being all vulnerable showin my bum

[neon meadow]

Even with just not dying, you're gonna stack gold quite a bit if you're doing any kind of pve

[regal shale]

my escaped percentage was over than 7-80%, so gold was stacked everytime

[verbal marsh]

I killed so many people while they looted it was great :3

[vapid minnow]

So you still continue to focus on looting and you're forcing a problem for other people to fix because you can't manage your interests?

[regal shale]

and i don't wanna spend much time for selling or buying.

[vapid minnow]

So stop spending so much time looting.

At what point was the 10k gold not enough for you?

[regal shale]

you know you can't sell sacks

[vapid minnow]

Alright, you're a troll.

[regal shale]

??

[verbal marsh]

you just trade them whole

[vapid minnow]

Or you just don't understand simple logic.

Stop looting so much and you wont have these problems.

[granite plinth]

The value is gambling but yea, thirst and hunger can be annoying, just reduce the rate is also and option

[regal shale]

?? looting is system of the game

[vapid minnow]

lol

you poor man

[regal shale]

didn't you loot acceries or jewels?

[verbal marsh]

1/5 of my bank was dedicated to those.

[regal shale]

you must get them for get score of treasure colletor

[agile condor]

I mean, did we really just say if you don't want an inventory full of gold, stop looting/winning so much? lol

[vapid minnow]

Emba, they dont want large stashes.

If you need more than 10k gold

You're doing it wrong

[verbal marsh]

I could've easily earned a lot more I just chose not to.

[upbeat pewter]

What you're missing is that its not about the money.

[vapid minnow]

And this guy wants more than 10k gold, if he doesnt want to have that issue, stop looting so much after what? 7k?

[upbeat pewter]

Its about collection rank

[vapid minnow]

Maybe stop buying candy canes

Buy golden keys

[upbeat pewter]

But throwing away money seems stupid. Be nice if it stacked higher for premium

[vapid minnow]

And hide LOTS OF MONEY in ONE ITEM

[regal shale]

If you escape by filling it with more than blue items, you will get more than 500 gold pieces. How can you use the gold coins at the right time?

[verbal marsh]

golden keys were kidna cheap tbh

[vapid minnow]

Still worth more than a stack of 10 cc

[agile condor]

Idk, I literally had to create alt Rangers cause my other rangers had full inventories - mostly of just currency lol, was just easier to create a new character than always worry about buying candy canes or keys

[upbeat pewter]

Yeah, having to buy an item from players is not a good solution

[vapid minnow]

So then again Emba my point is

At what point

do you really need

all that god damn gold

[granite plinth]

Can't trade items for 1250g+, this open up to scams

[agile condor]

I'd much rather buy an item that I know the worth of & I'll be able to use later

[verbal marsh]

yeah I didnt do high roller enough to know the map unfortunately

[vapid minnow]

and so my complaint to him was at what point was 10k not enough?

Stop looting once you have all that money and go fight

Yes looting is apart of the game

[upbeat pewter]

Why does it matter if its enough?

[agile condor]

I mean, you sound like a person asking Elon why he charges money for Teslas lol

[regal shale]

10k gold is actually the money that you get, but it also metaphors that you can get that much money in a short time. Don't stick to a word.

[upbeat pewter]

Why cant the cap be higher?

Whats wrong with their being an insane cap for premium

[verbal marsh]

yeah at some point being rich is kinda just being fat...

[vapid minnow]

The guy with the korean name is asking for a suggestion to go through that would counter the game's direction because he's forcing a problem brought about by being a loot goblin

I understand you guys have the attention span of a fish

[upbeat pewter]

Current bags cost 5g. Could impliment 100g bags for 20g.

[verbal marsh]

stop being fat... and go do sum highroller xD

[vapid minnow]

But you jumped into a conversation you clearly dont have the context of

[regal shale]

loot goblin haha

[granite plinth]

There is such thing as overfarming and never used the gold ever bc you have too much and nothing to spend on

[agile condor]

😄

[upbeat pewter]

So you jump to insult?

Thats polite.

[regal shale]

span of a fish?

[upbeat pewter]

Thats really helping your argument

[regal shale]

why did you think like that

[granite plinth]

Prob how the game will die when gamers reach that point

[vapid minnow]

What's polite is having people showing up to a conversation and talking without ever reading its entirety.

[regal shale]

let me know your know how for using golds

[agile condor]

Just because people can & want more money in the game than you had, doesn't mean it's too much (didn't mean to reply)