suggestion-discussion

[somber wind]

when you finish their casts

being just better scrolls since they're multi-use

[rocky oar]

That depends on the wand

[signal lake]

ahahahah thatd be so cool and if it had a little sound buildup

so you know to GTFO

like chain lightning

[somber wind]

Yeee

[signal lake]

jesus you hear that on the other side of the door you just bounce

[somber wind]

Something I'd like to see on Scrolls though is spells that can only be found on Scrolls

same for Wands

and Artifacts

[signal lake]

I was super nervous about Bind for Clerics

but they balanced that fairly well

[rocky oar]

Wands only have a chance of burning out if you use the last charge and I think it's like a 50%

[somber wind]

Yeah it's just an interrupt so it works nice

[signal lake]

yeah when i read it was a hard cc i was like uh oh

[somber wind]

I'd like that personally

[rocky oar]

That's how it is in DnD. Scrolls are 1 time use.

[somber wind]

Maybe have Artificer when we get that have a Perk that decreases the chance of burning out

[somber wind]

Yee

I'm just not expecting 1:1

[rocky oar]

I am

[somber wind]

I'm hoping they go that route, it'd be fun

Time to add grappling

LUL

[rocky oar]

Scrolls are usable by everyone. Wands have to be attuned to by certain classes which are usually just caster classes

[somber wind]

Yee

It'll be interesting to see how they deal with that

Only thing I worry about is how Wizard will look in lets say

3 years

If it'll have the same problems it does in D&D

(Being the perfect jack of all trades)

[rocky oar]

That's only if you single class. There are a lot of multi-class builds that are way better than wizard. I'm pretty sure they said multi-class is happening unless I misread

[agile condor]

Interesting, know if that's posted anywhere?

[rocky oar]

I could be wrong. I either read multiclass or subclasses. I don't know which it was but, it was in a Q&A that the devs did

[agile condor]

This? #dev-qna-archives message

[rocky oar]

Lol yea that.

[agile condor]

👍

[rocky oar]

So it's multicass

It will change the meta completely and make a lot of different things more viable depending on how it balanced instead of just wiz and ranger being op over everyone else

[lusty wren]

Interested and approaching with caution is far from a guarantee

[rocky oar]

No game will be perfectly balanced

[signal lake]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[junior hawk]

What is the best way to nerf a wizard?
I love his design and the spell capacity system. But he is too strong as of now.
Is lowering the numbers of his dmg enough?

[signal lake]

Why is he too strong

He gets one shot by a longbow

And absolutely smoked by rogues and barbs

[junior hawk]

Rogues, barb, warriors and clerics don:t pose a threat to wizard really

[signal lake]

ok now im interested

[junior hawk]

Fighter maybe with bow/crossbow

[rocky oar]

Your crazy

[junior hawk]

And rogue only if he gets him by surprise, which really, any class would win against a wizard if suprised

[rocky oar]

Wiz can only be beaten by another wiz or ranger

[junior hawk]

Yeah

[signal lake]

K 1v1 me on wizard next playtest ill play barb

[rocky oar]

Ok

[junior hawk]

Sure lol

They just have way too many tools to be create distance

[signal lake]

what does distance do for them

when they are less effective at a distance

[junior hawk]

They can outspace and throw fireballs

[signal lake]

sure they can workspace and get hit by a francisca axe and crumple like a soda can or take a poisoned throwing dagger to the head and get one shot

[rocky oar]

It's all about managing distance. As a Wiz you stat at a mid-close range

[junior hawk]

Exactly

[signal lake]

right which puts wizards in the way of throwing objects

[rocky oar]

huh

[signal lake]

At mid-close range you are now absolutely within lethal distance for a francisca axe or a throwing dagger or a explosive bottle or a oil lantern

[rocky oar]

Bro

[calm jacinth]

Yeah man you’ll get that axe off with a fireball flying at your eyeball

[junior hawk]

That is not a bad claim honestly, but might be hard with their haste

[rocky oar]

That shit isn't gonna kill me before a fucking- fireball lights you up

[junior hawk]

Nah, he is right 2-3 axes are faster that fireballs

[signal lake]

yeah man ill get that axe off with my 130 passive magic resist and axe specialization and movement speed boost and temp hp buff from my warcries and he will get melted like tinfoil in a volcano when my Franciska lodges in his wizard skull.

[junior hawk]

130 is around 30% right?

Well, wizard can just disengage with invis

[signal lake]

K what does disengaging do

[junior hawk]

I am saying that they are too strong, because they have everytool

[signal lake]

it either resets the fight or he flees

thats balance

[junior hawk]

Autocorrect

Pretty much, and for a wizard with his invis, it's really easy

[rocky oar]

Hey

[signal lake]

except you can hear them running invis

so you just throw an axe in their head and they die anwyay

[junior hawk]

Wiz needs 2 fireballs and and melee barb with either ignite or magic missile

[signal lake]

or you use warcry which reveals invis and you throw an axe in their head

[rocky oar]

I could be fucking- wrong but I am pretty sure barb doesn't one-shot to head with only base gear to a wizard, right?

I am unsure cause I've taken headshots from barb before and lived

[signal lake]

if theyre both in base gear neither will one shot probably

[rocky oar]

Okay figured

[signal lake]

probably tho

[junior hawk]

Depends on gear, but most of the time if wiz is full hp, they don't

[signal lake]

if barb warcries and gets a headshot idk

maybe that does one shot

[junior hawk]

Maybe with double axe or war maul, but they kinda bad

[rocky oar]

I think wizard wins even more then. In the time you get 1 headshot off with your melee I will be done with a full cast of magic missile on you which is wayyyy more than enough to kill you

assuming we both base gear though

[signal lake]

im not using a melee

A Francisca Axe is a thrown object

And im fairly certain that one shots a molerat wizard in the head

[junior hawk]

Yeah I know, but we were talking about headshots meeles no?

[signal lake]

headshots franciscas

[junior hawk]

They 2 shot I think on head

[signal lake]

wizards have like 60 hp, with axe specialization and warcry on for boosted damage you probably die on a one tap

but im excited for you to come test your mettle against me in Feb

[junior hawk]

But rarely seen barb hit those on heads. As they are really being pulled down when throwed

[rocky oar]

Is Francisa Axe base gear?

[signal lake]

yes

[shut zinc]

Ranged will always be better than melee cry about it

[junior hawk]

It's 70- or 75 hp

[rocky oar]

Close to 80

[junior hawk]

And the franchisa are barely mid range

[rocky oar]

I don't remember them doing that much damage at all

I could be wrong though

[shut zinc]

Neither

[junior hawk]

They do actualy

[shut zinc]

Plus prot pots reduce their damage

Unlike spells

[junior hawk]

Also, the melee wiz is deadly too against a barb

[rocky oar]

You know what I'm upset about

[junior hawk]

Unless he has felling axe, wizard can kill barb close ranged

If he damages him already

[rocky oar]

I didn't find out until after the Alpha was over that Ignite works on top of your own spells as well. It's not just for melee weapons

[junior hawk]

I though it was a bug lol

[rocky oar]

I don't knooow. I can't remember what the wording on Ignite was

[junior hawk]

Also, fire mastery doesn't work on if it, did you know that?

Always though it did

[rocky oar]

Really?

Has to be a bug at that point

[junior hawk]

Apparently so

Maybe the fire damage increases, but I know that the duration doesn't increases

[rocky oar]

It is annoying that Ignite doesn't show up when you dummy targets with a dagger that has ignite to see how much dmg ur doing

Duration isn't supposed to increase

just the damage

[junior hawk]

The burn effect I mean

The duration of the burn

[rocky oar]

Oh

I can't remember what any of the tooltips said honestly

[junior hawk]

I just remember +5 magic dmg and burn

[rocky oar]

It was 5%

not +5

I know that for a fact

[junior hawk]

You mean fire mastery, right?

[rocky oar]

Yea

[junior hawk]

I meant ignite itself now

[rocky oar]

Oh ur right then, Ignite is +5 fire damage

[junior hawk]

Yeah yeah

[wintry forge]

Any ideas on how to incentivize sticking around to the final circle?

[rocky oar]

People get stuck in the final circle as is a lot

[wintry forge]

I suggested a new portal that's only in the final circle, but people don't like my suggestion.

[rocky oar]

Probably because it will split the lobby too much. If there was a new portal that took you to a new location. The likely hood of running into PvP is heavily decreased.

When going onto the next floor that is

[strange sable]

@mint ravine Did you guys improve anything with the suggestion channels when it was down?

[granite plinth]

@frosty creek why is rogue lower in smell?

He should have better smell

That is his job to highten his senses

[frosty creek]

becouse he is live in sewer or under bridge

so why he should have good smell ?

[granite plinth]

He is used to different smells

I think i would like this suggestion if it takes away power from wizards and barbarians because they r strongest rn

[lucid root]

nerfing my main class? I don't think so

[polar orbit]

i think i like the cleric not liking the smell

[agile condor]

I would agree that the final circles feel too fast and there is little incentive to stick around unless you just killed someone and you're trying to loot them etc - I'm not sure a new portal type is the answer though, I think I'm fine with the current portal system, especially when there's 3 levels. Open to other ideas but anything I can think of feels gimmicky

[wintry forge]

What if a 3-man red portal spawns in the final circle that gives bonus experience and gold? It could glow brighter to differentiate from the other red portals.

[runic axle]

the current barter system should definitely stay, haggling and bartering with other players is awesome and is great for the economy aspect and player interaction of the game

then if you're a good talker you can sell better and its also a time dedication if you want to trade

[agile condor]

There was an idea about a loot goblin, maybe that has a chance to spawn somewhere in the last circle and run around

[lusty wren]

Theyd have to make it longer then 😄 wont have time to loot it

[ebon delta]

There are some suggestions made by people who doesn't seem to know a difference between classes and races. Like, come on, guys! Demons, raccoons and demon-raccoons are not classes! They are races!

[agile condor]

Risky to stay 😅

[lucid root]

Barrel race when?

[agile condor]

Too many trolls around here lol

[ebon delta]

Do you mean trolls as a race or a class? 😄

[agile condor]

yes

[polar orbit]

I was leprechauns

And ultra luck

Always amazing loot

No debuff

[ebon delta]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
If here "stats" means "interaction speed with objects" or similar, then I'm against it, because it's a mild buff for rogues and rangers and a debuff for wizards, clerics and barbarians. If "character level"or similar is meant, then I'm against it, because it's redundant

[wintry forge]

What do you think about having all red portals giving bonus experience and gold?

[lusty wren]

They made it sound as if it would be the main stat for each class

I didnt get it

[ebon delta]

i am not against exp bonus

but i see no reason for a portal to give you any gold whatsoever

@coarse saddle wdym by "visible map"? Did you have an invisible map on the last playtest?

[muted crag]

By Nurgle's taint these suggestions are awful! Ye bloody naves, go find a comedy club if thats all you wish to be!

[white cliff]

@serene snow Hookshot?

[wintry forge]

@frosty creek
If you're thinking of Tarkov, that hunger and thirst isn't realistic. I don't think it's necessary.
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[coarse saddle]

Na i mean something like i press m and i can see the map, not that i need to have the map in an image in other monitor

[white cliff]

They’ve already said they’re against stamina systems.

[foggy shadow]

I want to play as a mimic

They should add a prophunt mode

[white cliff]

Gmod exists, you probably can find a DnD prop hunt server.

I definitely think their main focus should be on the base game though.

[wintry forge]

Edit your suggestion so it's clear what you want.

[white cliff]

I think they want learning the map to be part of the skill ceiling through. And limiting what you can view does that.

[serene snow]

yeah, like from zelda

[brisk oxide]

So give someone the ability to move large distances almost instantaneously?

[white cliff]

That sounds like a teleport with extra steps.

[spice pawn]

-> Hookshot (Zelda, Attack on Titan?)
-> Rope arrow (Thief 1/2)
-> Rope ladders
-> Grappling hook (manual, wind-up throw)

[white cliff]

This game doesn’t have a ton of verticality honestly. I don’t see a use for any of those items.

Bedsides wheel tower?

[spice pawn]

(so far)

[white cliff]

And the huge room with three floors.

Some staircases.

[serene snow]

it should take a couple of seconds to use the hookshot. not an instacast

[white cliff]

Far and few in between.

[spice pawn]

Druid -> go birb mode. no attacks, but pigeon shit optional

[white cliff]

Sure sure, but what would be the use of a grappling hook.

I’m not super interesting in the logistics if I can’t figure out if it will fit in the first place.

[serene snow]

vertical movement.

[white cliff]

Like I said, there’s not a ton of verticality.

[wintry forge]

What do you think about making the minimap show less of the map?

[white cliff]

There’s a handful of rooms.

[serene snow]

like if you fall down one of those holes you could hookshot back up

[white cliff]

I think it’s fine where it is.

I guess but I can also seeing it causing a ton of bugs for something that doesn’t really add much.

Class specific?

Rogue?

[brisk oxide]

But isn't that literally the point of the hole...That you fell down and have to get back out? It's a punishment for messing up...

What would be the point of even having a 'hole' if you can just instant grapple out? Wasting 5 secs of time?

[lusty wren]

Puts you out of position if you fall down

[serene snow]

it's only if you picked up the hookshot item

[lusty wren]

Or you can bodyblock someone in a team fight and make them fall now its a 2v3 for a bit.

[serene snow]

single-use item

[spice pawn]

alpha playtest didn't sound like the final product, so maybe they'll do more to open up vertical. might be hard to smooth out so it's not janky in appearance, but it'd certainly be intuitive

[white cliff]

Verticality in a game with a handful of ranged options is kinda yucky.

Did you end up playing the wheel during PT3?

[brisk oxide]

That's essentially the purpose of a fall in it's current state. Adding in a grappling hook is only diminishing that.

[lusty wren]

I agree

Which is why I downvoted 😄

[brisk oxide]

See this makes it more interesting, yet I still feel it's out of place.

[serene snow]

not sold at traders either

[brisk oxide]

oh, lol, then we are in agreement 😂

[serene snow]

only in game like lockpicks

[cloud steeple]

add 1 shot blunderbuss for hunters or fighters if they have the perk

[serene snow]

also rogues should be able hookshot across the map and stay in stealth

[white cliff]

I thought it was vertical?

[muted moth]

Yeah they have a new ability to flip the world horizontally for a short time

[serene snow]

it would be angled

not straight up and down

that wouldn't do much

[muted moth]

Ah right

[wintry forge]

@somber wind Is this a joke?
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[white cliff]

I think it’s a suggestion on how to combat trolls.

[somber wind]

no but this is #d-and-d-suggestions message

just as an example

Not specifically targeting them, there's a few people doing it

(and I notice since I read almost every suggestion and vote on em)

[white cliff]

I refuse to believe desolant and beanz aren’t the same person.

That’s my conspiracy for the day.

[somber wind]

I do think their writing structure is different

[brisk oxide]

At least Beanz doesn't have p2w in every suggestion

[coarse saddle]

i edited it, idk if its clear now :^) ty for feedback

[somber wind]

That said I feel like they both should be on the list of people not allowed to access make-suggestion

since they don't actually contribute and instead spam with things that aren't even just bad ideas but straight up jokes (not as an insult either, literally they are just jokes by them).

Like there's some people who have really horrid ideas quite frequently but I don't think they should be banned from making them, maybe it'll give the devs a good idea

but this isn't just bad ideas.

[sick badger]

yeah its really annoying reading through troll suggestions

[somber wind]

Yeah

[sick badger]

some are just obviously trolling

[somber wind]

Hehe $10 for a scope for all of your bows, how's my idea guys ^_^!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just that

or "Add vore and brapping"

(I've seen both of those, this isn't just me making up ones)

[sick badger]

that poop one was the most, wish i didnt have eyes, post ive seen

or the furry one

[somber wind]

The furry one was really braindead, like even if you're trolling atleast make it a race and not a class

atleast make it consistent

lol

It's them doing the lowest amount of effort while trying to act high effort.

[sick badger]

yeah

if i type out a paragraph itll look like im being serious!

[somber wind]

copy and pastes 2 sentences 5 times

[sick badger]

worse than post you'd see on 4chan over 15 years ago when everyone was really getting access to the internet

[somber wind]

but like actually

and obviously this isn't good for the devs

the troll suggestions would actually cost dev time

[sick badger]

thats how it comes off, someone being 13 and finally getting unrestricted access to the internet

[somber wind]

like a small amount but it requires sorting

[sick badger]

yeah its just annoying, but im sure they just filter by upvotes so i guess it sorts itself out

[somber wind]

Alot of devs also look at the lowest rated as a guide to not do those things

as well as contested ones where it 0 rating but has alot of votes up and down

to see what is a good idea but maybe a bad variant or execution

Only things that don't actually have much use usually for the bigger picture

is the ones that get like +8

and not +30

Low with alot of votes, High with alot of votes or very negative is usually the best ones to look at

The ones that are just ok are niche communities usually

which it's nice to help them every now and then but it has little ripple effect on the games as a whole

and is for the majority a non-update

although I personally love those updates, it's the general sentiment about community interaction from most companies that actually look at places like reddit, twitter and other media

this is just the most direct I've seen aside from Runescape's voting system

Oh and Ring of Pain, Ring of Pain has a system like this as well

[sick badger]

yeah true probably are looking at all the ones with high interactions, good or bad to get the best idea of the direction the community wants the game to go

[somber wind]

and obviously troll posts will get high interaction

which just clogs it all up

[sick badger]

yeah

[somber wind]

The sooner precedent is set and rules are put into place to deter this the less dev time is wasted by the people trolling.

[wintry forge]

I think they just skim through. Graysun said he reads them all. They can just skip the ones by know trolls if they want.

[sick badger]

people spam suggestions is annoying too, should be some lock out timmer on it

[wintry forge]

I think it's 5 minutes or less.

[sick badger]

ah

[somber wind]

I was mentioning before I felt like 1 hour would be best

[sick badger]

^

[somber wind]

So it limits it to 24 suggestions a day

(although unrealistic to assume anyone would actually do 24 with that kind of timer)

[wintry forge]

People have suggested increasing the suggestion slow mode, but it seems like that's not changing. The devs must not be too annoyed with all of the suggestions.

[somber wind]

Or they're not looking

Which makes sense, it was ment to be set up and forget until needed

[wintry forge]

Graysun told me he reads them all.

[somber wind]

Ah ok

well that's cool

Are they community manager?

[wintry forge]

He's the Ironmace Admin. I think he's also a dev.

[somber wind]

I can see that but like, what does that entail.

Ah kk

[agile condor]

Any meaningful slow mode would impact editing posts as well unless they add it into the bot, but that may not be possible

[somber wind]

It's currently in the bot @agile condor

It's not using discord's slow mode

[agile condor]

Cool, make it 1 day lol

[somber wind]

LUL 1 day is far too much

[rocky oar]

Add a slow mode and then the next thing your gonna get is someone typing up a fucking- light novel

[somber wind]

Cant @rocky oar There's a max text limit of 1900 characters

but it's actually 1700

[rocky oar]

My good sir

[somber wind]

because the bot needs it for the vote

[rocky oar]

That is still a lot

[somber wind]

Eh I've hit that limit a few times lol

Had to do a 2 parter once

That said, it got voted pretty well so I don't think novels are bad per say

also having 1 suggestion per suggestion is ideal

so anyone who does multiple will likely get downvoted hard

From what i've seen that's been the case so far

Only 1 suggestion I've done so far has been like HARD downvoted and most of the time I do novels lol

Actually no, 2 suggestions.

One of my really early ones.

This is the early one

#d-and-d-suggestions message

Tried to come up with a purposely abuseable alternate to LFG.

[rocky oar]

I had a suggestion quite awhile back that people downvoted and I honestly think people didn't understand what I was getting at

[sick badger]

this isnt like the worst idea lol, kinda like charging to run people through content in mmos

[somber wind]

Like all of it happens already in lfg chats it's just it'd give the antisocial the ability to do it while also having a karma system to see who people are.

[wintry forge]

Any suggestions on how to incentivize players to stick around until the final circle?

[sick badger]

only thing i could think is a 3man blue spawns when theres one team left

but could just cause people to hid till every team extracts for free portal lol

[cosmic thistle]

We already do that.

[sick badger]

truu

[agile condor]

Like I said, a loot goblin but I think the main objective is to go deeper & I'm not sure the last circle in the final level means much - just more time to loot/kill. Technically staying to the last circle allows you to kill more enemy players to make sure you get the next level to yourself

[somber wind]

I decided to calculate up all of the votes of my suggestions LUL

god that took long

Likes: 1540
Neutral: 157
Dislikes: 694

Suggestions: 87
Total Opinion: +846

Note: I subtracted 1 for each suggestion since that 1 is from the bot.

[agile condor]

I mean, probably better as a ratio considering that's probably across over a dozen suggestions lol

Yeah that's over like 87 posts lol, likely 87 of those upvotes are your own

[cosmic thistle]

I thought the people saying that there were those that took the suggestions as a fight for popularity and I didn't believe that was an issue until this post.

[rocky oar]

cough cough rouge is shit

[agile condor]

Who is the rogue main? lol

[agile condor]

Not sure that's a post around popularity lol, I mean that's only around 66% upvote, probably just interesting data. Some people enjoy data & find it interesting, others ignore data.

[wintry forge]

Is "interaction speed" the stat for opening chests and doors?

[smoky yoke]

for what i remember yes

[cosmic thistle]

Yeah im the latter. Data is cool and all. But like with reddit and many other social media its more about the dopamine rush from people "popular'" than just liking number trackers.

[agile condor]

I think so

[somber wind]

Oh I don't actually care about it, I was more saying in relation to something I was saying earlier saying that I actually do post alot and although I hit the text limit I do actually get decent interaction so I don't think having more "novel" size suggestions is a bad thing.

[smoky yoke]

also for other things, like how fast you are to open portals, putting campfires ect

but there was actually another stat similar to interaction speed

iirc

[somber wind]

It was more of a making a point thing :V

[cosmic thistle]

Yeah you are good haha. I was mostly just surprised to find actual "evidence" that the previous people could actually look at and be like "Yeah there are people trying to become the cool kid groups with these suggestion spams" lol.

[agile condor]

See, it's about data - don't worry man. Other's get dopamine by calling others out for random bs and/or fabricating narratives - actually a good bit these days - who woulda guessed.

[somber wind]

Oh for sure, there is def people like that that are just like "My ratio is high so I'm popular" LUL no you're not, you just have good ideas on average.

[somber wind]

Yee, was just data in relation to the previous post; just took abit to collect so it might've seemed weird out of context lol

should've replied to my own post to avoid that :V

[cosmic thistle]

Yeah. Some people get one suggestions and it gets 100 upvotes and then they get the idea to spam 20 more suggestions with zero thought behind it. Its kind of like gambling and winning so you put all of the money back into gambling for the addiction.

[somber wind]

Yeah, like I have some stinkers for sure; but it's good data for the devs when earnest suggestions get heavily downvoted to show what probably shouldn't be added.

Just because I like the idea, doesn't mean it's good for the majority.

That said, there is also the times when people see an idea and don't fully grasp it's impact and it gets tons of likes or dislikes depending on context.

So they have to take the votes with a grain of salt for sure.

[agile condor]

This was suspense for a little lol... but now he brings ideas in here first and talks about them a little, if he still wants to post the suggestion after that to get a larger audience I think that's fine.

[smoky yoke]

most of people just downvote following the majority cause they just see that the big number was on downvotes already

[wintry forge]

Is "carrying capacity" what your in-game item capacity is called?

[somber wind]

That's also a thing, alot of people sheep.

[smoky yoke]

so even if the suggestion was good, ruined by others

[cosmic thistle]

Yes as it is a stat only used in-game.

[agile condor]

that or an weight system that isn't implemented

[cosmic thistle]

Its boosted by resourcefulness (eventually)

[smoky yoke]

but i think, devs may see also suggestions regardless anyway, the upvotes and downvotes it's a bonus

[cosmic thistle]

dang havn't thought of that. Hopefully we dont get that.

Characters are slow enough as is.

[smoky yoke]

hopefully it wont implemented 🤔

[cosmic thistle]

Maybe characters are this slow right now to simulate what it looks like when we are stuffed on items!! MIND BLOWN.

[smoky yoke]

like, not sure how you will manage to loot everything in the B1 floor then you go in the red portal
you will be already full when you will be in the inferno map

[agile condor]

Devs might look at "all" suggestions but they have favorable ones get a green bar probably for a reason. However, looking at suggestions that have 2 upvotes and 100 downvotes is also just as important to see what the community doesn't want (assuming it's not just a troll)

[smoky yoke]

also isnt a weight system already implemented with the stats about movement speed?
like a heavy torso armor is -40 movement speed lol
it's not so different

[cosmic thistle]

Its already confirmed that the game progression is being reduced, which meants less loot.

[wintry forge]

What do you think of this suggestion, "Add a loot goblin to each level. It starts with nothing, but it loots everything that players can loot. It's movement and interaction speeds are twice as fast as the fastest class. It has unlimited carrying capacity."

[smoky yoke]

gg

[cosmic thistle]

In this context we are only talking about the "carrying capacity" stat that hasnt been developed yet but has coding for.

[somber wind]

The weight system is confirmed being on the UI already

[agile condor]

I think that's an interesting idea, could lead to player's chasing it and getting into risky situations

[smoky yoke]

maybe something like the crystal lizard of dark souls, might make sense as goblin

[somber wind]

You can see it as 0/0

Since it wasn't in fully

[smoky yoke]

that runs away from players

[somber wind]

1sec let me get an image

[agile condor]

Yeah, it should try to avoid players

[smoky yoke]

i remember the stat

[cosmic thistle]

Actually the more I think about it the less I think carrying capacity means reducing the effects of item weight since we already have an agility stat to boost speed so why have two that make you faster. @agile condor @smoky yoke

[somber wind]

Here: https://i.imgur.com/lT49znx.png

Weight Limit on the left and Weight on the bottom right

[agile condor]

Unless the stats is the weight you can carry until encumbered

[wintry forge]

Anything you don't like about the suggestion before I add it? I'll add that it avoids players. I'll also say that the loot goblin isn't slowed down by the weight of what he's carrying.

[smoky yoke]

yes prob like skyrim where you can just move at full speed

[cosmic thistle]

Dang the Devs played dungeons and dragons with a dungeon master that used the varient encumbrance rules. Thats hardcore.

[smoky yoke]

but if you go over that then you start to go slower maybe

[somber wind]

That said, I do not thing we should have a Weight limit; I think that we should instead have larger or smaller backpacks we can equip (which is confirmed) but instead of increasing carry weight it instead modifies movement speed. Bigger bags make you slower, Smaller bags make you slightly faster and any additional bags (since there's slots for those) always make you slower with the size of the bag affecting how much.

[smoky yoke]

im more also for the movement speed reduced

[agile condor]

No need to mention the speed/weight thing, should be implied, but probably add the "goblin avoids players" part

[cosmic thistle]

Imagine being a loot goblin and you pick up a few last items before running for the portal, but now you are encumbered and can no longer make a much needed jump to get to the portal.

[somber wind]

May I suggest that the loot goblin isn't guaranteed every game? So it's more of a surprise instead of a "set piece".

[agile condor]

yeah this too

Random chance to spawn, probably semi rare otherwise you just always look for it

[somber wind]

Exactly

[smoky yoke]

and that the loot inside is always different

[somber wind]

and if you always look for it, obviously that negatively affects gameplay flow

[smoky yoke]

maybe sometimes good loot, other times not

goblins too have bad days

[agile condor]

Yeah he's saying it loots around the match as a player would just collecting a bunch of stuff - essentially killing him would be like looting a hugeeee chest potentially

[somber wind]

I feel like instead of ACTUALLY looting

it should simulate looting

[smoky yoke]

yea

[somber wind]

so it doesn't negatively affect the loot on the map

[agile condor]

I'm fine with that

[smoky yoke]

he should have already items on it already, and getting items over the time

cause looting for real, it might be hard to develop such AI

[agile condor]

@wintry forge yeah probably adjust this if you want

[somber wind]

Since the game is balanced for a specific amount of players at specific spawn spots

So if there is an NPC that is basically a player

draining resources with an infinite bag

that's like multiple players looting

[smoky yoke]

yea, the goblin should get items that dont exist in the current spawn pool

like, the goblin wont touch the items that are in the map

but simulating loot and adding items that actually exist but not taking away from the map

[somber wind]

What I'm thinking is the goblin should go up to containers

ACT like it's looting

then continue along

when it does that it generates loot for itself

[smoky yoke]

yes gg

[somber wind]

but doesn't actually take anything

[agile condor]

So loot gob, rare spawn, collects more loot over time, tries to avoid players, players need to chase and kill to get the loot.

[somber wind]

and it's only chance spawn, not guaranteed each match

as to not negatively affect gameplay loop

[smoky yoke]

loot that doesn't interfere with the existing loot in the map

yea

a goblin just an easter egg
lower chances to find it prob

[agile condor]

ALSO can the globin 'slip' through doors? probably easy to trap if it has to open doors or something

[smoky yoke]

maybe opening and closing them would be cool lol
how to jumpscare some people also

[somber wind]

Maybe it can do a little jump into shadow, go under door, then jump out?

[agile condor]

Yeah something like that

door is still closed somehow - player needs to chase, open door and see where it went

any 'footprints'? money trail? etc

[somber wind]

I think it could have little coin particles flying through the air behind it by a little amount

and it's walking sound

sounds like a coin purse shaking

[agile condor]

Yeah

[halcyon island]

why dont you guys like this suggestion? #d-and-d-suggestions message

[smoky yoke]

lol @wintry forge why a class playable by the devs only

could been fine, but you added the part that's only playable by devs instead of being an AI
may be cool, but i dont think realistically could work

[wintry forge]

Why wouldn't it work? The devs just go around looting and trying to avoid enemies. Then find a portal. If you see a loot goblin you know it's a dev, so it'd be fun.

[halcyon island]

an ai would be super cool dev less cool

if he said ai i would up vote

[smoky yoke]

devs may not play the game always
and you will exclude potential of 60k players
when devs are around 26

[smoky yoke]

same, even if the suggestion not formulated well

people won't see goblins if its played by devs only...
it's better as an AI and the fact it's rare

[wintry forge]

Okay, but you said the AI probably couldn't be programmed to loot the chests.

[halcyon island]

that pretty easy to do

[smoky yoke]

never said that, and we also said the goblin could simulate the looting, without really taking the existing items from the map
we told you and helped me and @somber wind, @agile condor as well

[halcyon island]

why should't it take items from the map?

if you kill him you can have his items

and he would be very rare

[smoky yoke]

if you kill him and he didnt take items in the map, you could get more
but it does make sense

[wintry forge]

You said, "cause looting for real, it might be hard to develop such AI". I think it'd be more fun if the loot goblin actually looted the chests.

[halcyon island]

agreed

would be kinda weird if he didn't

[smoky yoke]

it is better if he would not interfere with the existing items in the map, to be fair with all the players on the map
there's no harm in a goblin simulating loot taking items (not the existing ones from the map)

[halcyon island]

nah

[smoky yoke]

that's why simulating loot would be way better

[halcyon island]

if the goblin steals your items just go after him and kill it

[smoky yoke]

you can even let the goblin stay near to chests if you want but without really taking the items there but he get others

[smoky yoke]

he probably wont be supposed to steal your items, just looting wandering and escaping from players

[halcyon island]

no i mean steal your chests

[smoky yoke]

the goblin won't stay there, he will wander for all the map escaping cause more faster than humans

not balanced and then unfair
while simulating loot doesnt affect nothing and if you kill it, you have some stuff extra

so yea if he steal stuff from the existing chest and then escaping while you have to deal with mobs or real humans pvp
following the goblin then?
simulating the loot way better, then you do you

[halcyon island]

how about wandering about taking left over loot that would be better right? he only takes loot out of open chests and dead bodies

[smoky yoke]

not sure

[halcyon island]

like a real goblin

[somber wind]

@wintry forge I came up with an alternative version of your loot goblin suggestion, do you mind if I submit it after talking about it here (going to tomorrow when there's more people around)?

[wintry forge]

Sure

[halcyon island]

loot goblin as an npc would be better because the game is about fighing and dungeon crawler and it would make te game less fun if people just skip the enemies and loot everthing

[sacred hill]

@wintry forge you changed you profile pic, i tough you got kidnapped

[cosmic thistle]

Haha a goblin you have to chase for loot. What an amazing idea! I can see that being a lot of fun. On one hand they gather loot for you, on another they may be so hard to chase that they take a lot of the dungeons loot and waste your time chasing it.

[wintry forge]

What?

[cosmic thistle]

I like it though. It almost looks like its got a second body!

[ebon delta]

My suggestion, if that's what you're talking about, is saying that loot goblin players should pick up leftovers from what the adventurers left behind. And whatever enemies left will attack them on sight. It is not "just skip the enemies and loot everthing". And you don't go through the dungeon as a loot goblin, you die as an adventurer and as an alternative to sitting and watching people, who are still alive, you can go in as a loot goblin after everyone has moved to the next floor. "Fighing and dungeon crawler" element of the game is kept

[sacred hill]

so every single game you get a bunch of gold, gg inflation

stop making the game for casuals

[ebon delta]

Did you even read my suggestion?

Because that comment makes me think that you didn't

[cosmic thistle]

I can sense a lot of potential with this suggestion. I think many will be lost at the "continue after the game ends" part though.

[ebon delta]

I appreciate the support

[cosmic thistle]

Also keep in mind that a "loot goblin" class wont fit the classical class ideas they have. I think your idea has a lot more potential to be added as a sort of class build you can work towards or some kind of race you can pick up with a loot based skill.

If subclasses, multiclasses, skill trees, races, and many more spells (and ways to cast them I.E. scrolls/wands) are added in the future I can see you being able to play out this kind of character to its fullest!

[ebon delta]

I do not see loot goblin as a class tbf. Rather a minigame for those people who died but don't want to leave lobby

[cosmic thistle]

You wouldn't be able to leave with loot attained right?...Right? 😦 plez no! Not my precious looot!

[ebon delta]

I honestly think that i have a good and fun suggestion. With this implemented it would give the players something to do if they die and their team can't resurrect them. Goblins are intentionally fragile and weak so you can't really clear any rooms on your own, maybe can waste a lot of time to kill one basic enemy that blocking exit or some spiders but nothing more. If there are no living adventurers left to distract the owner of the dungeon, then he switches to the "thieves" and kills them all. And the amount of money earned in this way can be greatly reduced, justifying this by the fact that no one wants to bargain with a monster. Yet so far it seems like i am wrong and i am making the game for casuals

[cosmic thistle]

One of the best things of this game is that you almost instantly get to start up a new one. Having a reason to stick around in the game you already died in isn't really a feature a game like this desperately needs or really should want.
This could work as more of "just click a few buttons while bored and waiting for teamates to escape/die" sort of thing that doesn't actually encourage you to stick around or continue sweating for more loot.

If the amount of loot generated by your class idea is greatly reduced wouldn't it save a lot of time just to leave the game ASAP and earn loot the normal way?

[smoky yoke]

true, you can start a new game again

the idea of a goblin it should be similar to what it is like to a crystal lizard in dark souls imo

[ebon delta]

It would save you a lot of time! But if you stick around it gives you ability to explore whatever floor you died on a little bit more, wait for teammates to finish(if you have any), challenge yourself(if you into this) or just simply kill time(maybe you have like 5-7 minutes which isn't enough for a whole new run).
But i see your point, one can just start another run instead of all of that and it will be more reasonable. I will take it into account and maybe come up with something to improve my suggestion

[rotund sundial]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

who tf upvotes this?

I don't have that kind of money

[cosmic thistle]

Im down for any quality of life updates. This one isnt of the high priority sort of suggestion but I think it would be neat to see!

[ebon delta]

It is a troll who made a decent suggestion that people liked and then just edited it

[rotund sundial]

you guys are going to ruin this game

[cosmic thistle]

Wow Im actually surprised how many upvotes that has as well! Didn't expect so many to want.....oh just read lokkpik's message, yeah that makes sense.

[rotund sundial]

a dev told me they only register suggestions with 80+ score so this one will be taken seriously...

[cosmic thistle]

Doing more than minor edits on suggestions with tons of votes is almost ban worthy but I trust the devs to ignore such things.

[mystic sage]

What do you think about unique items idea? That may give us opportunity to get new builds in my opinion as well as help build game lore:

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[cosmic thistle]

Im down for building game lore. But I feel like there are better ways to do it.

[cosmic thistle]

Also we already have unique items that are called as much. They are light gold/yellow tinted and you get them from bosses.

[mystic sage]

Most of classic RPG that inspire DND Devs have unique items. Starting from Dung and dragons, FF, ending on... Dunno. Path of exile.

[cosmic thistle]

I think having a variety of unique items that are specific to lore information for all rarities would be neat. Like a 0.0001% chance for a "Dagger of brigomoris the great" to spawn in a dungeon. Idk

[mystic sage]

But they don't give nothing else than typical stats. No extra things, no uniqueness.

[cosmic thistle]

True. I see your point. Heck why not, ill upvote you.

[ebon delta]

I like idea, i don't like items having abilities that decide your entire character build. Especially in a game where you can die and lose all of your gear

[mystic sage]

We can call em legendaries if not uniques 😄

[smoky yoke]

abusing of suggestions like that, there should be some punishments
it's not fair abusing suggestions like that and editing them just to troll

[cosmic thistle]

Here is a suggestion for your suggestion. Add the lore adding part to the suggestion. Its the main reason I wanna upvote.

[cosmic thistle]

We already got that too. xD How about "epics" or "blues" or "greens" or "whites" ?

wait are blues called rares greens uncommon, and whites common?

Then grey being trash?

Never used that terminology. huh neat to think about.

[mystic sage]

Sounds good to me

[smoky yoke]

@rotund sundial you can check when a suggestion get edited

[ebon delta]

Actually, maybe we should ask one of the wardens what their opinion on that

[smoky yoke]

sure

[cosmic thistle]

Its a legit complaint. go for it. I will if no one else does.

[ebon delta]

<@&988703997378584596> #d-and-d-suggestions message This one was changed into completely different suggestion after many people upvoted it, it is very misleading, can it be removed?

[smoky yoke]

I have the original suggestion he made as screenshot, cause i knew he was going to edit it.

[woeful helm]

It's dealt with

[smoky yoke]

is it possible by any chance to check original suggestions, if edited?

[woeful helm]

Not unless the original poster edits it

[cosmic thistle]

Is this a confirmation? You can see what posts were before the edit?

If this is the case than that makes it a lot easier to pinpoint people abusing the system and im all for it!

[woeful helm]

Oh yes, we can see what they were before the edit

I thought the question was asking if we can change it back to the original post

[cosmic thistle]

What was mine before the edit? Hint I changed only one word into 3

[cosmic thistle]

Understandable. I read it that way at first too! All good.

[hollow sentinel]

jesus christ, you'd think half of the suggesters didn't actually play the game yet

[cosmic thistle]

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Only ones with 80+ upvotes are taken into consideration as someone stated before. Not 100% sure how accurate that is though.

[hollow sentinel]

I doubt that even getting 80+ will guarantee consideration

[cosmic thistle]

Yeah I think its more of just an encouraging statement for people to believe they are being heard. I don't mind if they dont actually check. But im sure they at least glance.

[halcyon island]

Bro what no my suggestion was an npc that picks up left overs cause it be sad if players encounter emty chest or mobs so it be better for the npc the search for left over loot in chest or bodies and the goblin also spawn with loot already in his inv

[cosmic thistle]

Yeah since you last checked in. The idea was played with a lot and altered.

[halcyon island]

Ah thx

If you want loot goblin just let rogue/thief have extra passives that allow him to loot faster

[ebon delta]

well you send your message right after downvoting my suggestion, so i assumed you are talking about it

[halcyon island]

I like you will you marry me

[cosmic thistle]

Where is my all you can eat buffet sent to my doorstep?

[halcyon island]

No your was for a runner class and that makes a game really toxic

So thats why i turned your idea into an fun npc

[ebon delta]

Well now this is very confusing

[halcyon island]

I am wrong?

No loot goblin class is a really bad idea

Would make the game completely skill less

And thief class already opens things faster

So just give him extra perks to do more goblin loot stuf you suggested

[ebon delta]

Yeah, you definitely mean other suggestion about loot goblins

[halcyon island]

Oh sorry

Yeah your right

Mine game still is really shit tho

If you die you die thats it

Just do better

[proven plover]

the game is searching for treasure while things try to kill you. loot goblins are exactly the opposite if they gather treasure in one spot

[halcyon island]

Thats why my suggestion was that the npc only searches in already opened chests and bodies and he be really rare and hard to catch

And he be really rare to even spawn

[smoky yoke]

maybe adding some enemy that's rare, like a goblin that can just spawn totally randomly in the map, and not always guaranteed, and it's only few of them that provide just extra loot (without looting the existing loot in the map)

with extra loot but making them escape to balance maybe

also the goblin merchant is rare

[halcyon island]

Ah yeah that be cool too

Just a goblin scared of anything and anyone with a sack with some good loot

[smoky yoke]

and has by default already some loot

[halcyon island]

You should suggest that

[haughty bison]

is that in D&D though? that sounds more like diablo

[smoky yoke]

not sure, but it could fit as in a fantasy dungeon crawler, at least as my personal opinion
i just like to see more variety with enemies

[proven plover]

it would just drag newer players to their death. and get removed later anyway.

[halcyon island]

Thats a bad mind set bro

Dont listen to him Japanese person

Its a great idea

[smoky yoke]

also Dark and Darker follows to some degrees D&D but they can also make their own unique ideas in the game

[proven plover]

new players would absolutely chase the thing into rooms that would get them killed, how is that a bad mindset?

new player experience makes the game stay alive, by the way, we should want them, they ARE the loot goblins.

[ebon delta]

In my dnd campaign there is a giant stone snake that rotates the continent by moving around and that is how day-night cycle happening. What i am trying to say - there are many thing in dnd that even we don't know about so this question shouldn't stop anyone from suggesting anything

[halcyon island]

New player die to everything bro not and when you get better you can chase that thing responsebly and not die or just let him go

You see no positive side to it

[proven plover]

i don't see a positiv ethat outweighs the other faff

[halcyon island]

That not true the goblin has low hp so you could just shoot it or with a well timed slash kill it

[proven plover]

instructions unclear.

[cosmic thistle]

Instructions unclear, delved deep into their dark and darker.

[halcyon island]

But nihonijn guy should totally suggest that, i like his loot goblin the. Most i cant ping the Japanese person tho

[proven plover]

i still say you are just asking for a lage new player base.

they will function similarly, with 0 code.

[ebon delta]

Wait, i just realised that classes with ranged capabilities will have more chances at killing loot goblins and thus getting better loot than, lets say, barbarians and rogues

Suddenly i don't like idea of loot goblins anymore

[smoky yoke]

goblins could run at zig zag, not just straight in one direction
but makes sense your concern

[halcyon island]

Loot goblins are small and fast hard to hit with a bow but if you stealthy wait at a door you can kill it with one swing as a babarian

Just suggest it nihonijn guy

[smoky yoke]

not far different from defeating monsters in the dungeon and getting their loot
the loot goblin would have just probably a different AI and normal loot maybe slightly increased

[halcyon island]

Maybe also have a smoke bomb like rogue has

[smoky yoke]

lol, i'm not aware if goblins can use that in the lore

[proven plover]

in dnd lore, goblins are trappers

[halcyon island]

Goblin are cabable of equiping tools right

[proven plover]

the loot gathering monsters you are thinking of are called dragons in dnd

[halcyon island]

You mean darker and darker right not dungeons and dragons

[smoky yoke]

depends also what type of goblin, there are very many it seems like

[halcyon island]

Yeah their also lots of different apes in the world why not goblins

[proven plover]

there is a reason Dark And Darker and Dungeons And Dragons both are D&D for short

[halcyon island]

Oh i didn't know that. Bruh now darker and darker became more lame

[proven plover]

they would have chosen a name that broke down to dnd no matter what

[smoky yoke]

we know for sure that the theme of the classes will remain true as they can but they said they want to make their own unique variations, this for the classes
and i may expect also for the type of monsters, and creatures perhaps

dark and darker surely takes inspiration from dungeons and dragons but to some extent

[proven plover]

it will have to deviate from a wizards of the coast product, they sue everything

[smoky yoke]

wasnt that only about content media, such videos and streaming? 🤔

[proven plover]

also, this isn't a tabletop rpg, so stuff WILL be different

[smoky yoke]

yea sure, things are cool when there are unique ideas

[proven plover]

this current news cycle is, but they are a notoriously bad company overall.

[smoky yoke]

a company that made something similar was Nintendo, where you can't even talk about their product or games, otherwise your video get demonetized
not sure if it's still a thing though

[proven plover]

wizards wants to go that way.

[halcyon island]

Japanese dude i liked your version of the loot goblin the most may you suggest it?

[smoky yoke]

i'd like to discuss it more with people first

[halcyon island]

Ah

[smoky yoke]

you can suggest the same, if you want

[proven plover]

make them an actual mob, i'm in. like one that fights back

[smoky yoke]

yea, even just as normal mob
in next playtest we may even see new enemies already

[proven plover]

if it's gonna have the loot of 6 rooms, it better hit like it does

[smoky yoke]

and i wonder which enemies could be

[halcyon island]

Havent seen zombies right?

Or a more bus skeleton with full armor

[smoky yoke]

[halcyon island]

Lol

😭

Maybe just normal goblins with clubs

[proven plover]

when someone takes those for a walk and they are a few rooms away from where they belong, that can really ruin your day.

[halcyon island]

Or necromancer

[smoky yoke]

lol
the skeleton champions were very hard to fight, at least for me rip

the ones in the playtest #3
just the previous one, one of the hardest enemies

[halcyon island]

Ememies become easier with more experience

[proven plover]

you need to be able to block or really know the pattern.

[smoky yoke]

but i liked them, cause they do 3 attacks in a row

[smoky yoke]

and maybe with better gear for sure

[proven plover]

always helps

or have 2 barbarian friends. then you can just point at it and scream like i did.

[smoky yoke]

yes

[halcyon island]

Barbarians where crazy strong

[smoky yoke]

i tried 2 or 3 mika vista but had really tons of hp
2 clerics

it seems like that enemy has more than 300 hp

[proven plover]

the axes were the thing that makes them hit hard, kinda

[smoky yoke]

cause the mika vista ability does 100hp to undead enemies

[proven plover]

the perks did their part too, but give a fighter a polearm, they are nasty too

[smoky yoke]

and actually im not sure who is an undead
but so far, everyone it seems like

[proven plover]

the dragonflies are not.

[smoky yoke]

ah, fair

[proven plover]

at least on the first level

[smoky yoke]

i didn't test actually

[proven plover]

level 2 things might get wonky

[cosmic thistle]

@scenic stormHonestly a very valid reason to want the date official.

[smoky yoke]

really nice to oneshot 3 spiders or more with a mika vista
even if they instantly spawn lol
the delay is very short once you kill them all 3
(i'm aware it needs to destroy the pot)

[cosmic thistle]

Secret is to run over and destroy the pot, then mika vista, spiders already gather around you by this point,

[scenic storm]

Yea I agree🙏🏼 ty for the support🥳

[smoky yoke]

yes true

[snow oyster]

My suggestion is a Bank Tab, next to the Stash tab. Costs 15-25 gold to unlock per character, but used for storing exclusively silver coins, gold coins/gold coin storage items.

It would be shared across all characters, but unlocked with a one time(per wipe?) Cost to gain access.

Main function is to clear up storage, and make swapping between characters not as punishing.

[cosmic thistle]

Kind of like albions system. I like it.

[proven plover]

i think it keeps the market viable, and that seems to be what the devs want. it may even make the market more active, allowing geared chars to move just money to gear up the others.

[foggy shadow]

For the different effects based on where you shoot, i think that would be better as a barbarian perk where arrows only slow you down if shot in the legs

[smoky yoke]

the malus of being slowed down with hits, it is also showed in the UI
it seems it applies to any attacks

even mobs ect, for what i recall

[lucid root]

Nothin but leg shots until you can't move anymore

[smoky yoke]

an arrow in the knee, just like in skyrim

[lucid root]

I need to use the shittier spells more, just for the sake of it

Just to be edgy

[foggy shadow]

Ranger mains are the new rogue mains

[lucid root]

Very insightful koko

[white cliff]

I can’t imagine this game having pets, and on top of that those pets costing more than the entire game.

[smoky yoke]

i don't either
we have already the mimic as pet that want to eat us already

[runic axle]

dawg no hate towards this mr beanz guy but all of his suggestions are terrible lol

[white cliff]

All of his suggestions are “X game mechanic should cost Y money”. And would destroy the game.

[white cliff]

Yeah, they’re quite a few trolls.

[smoky yoke]

today they deleted a suggestion that has been edited (again) just to troll

and i'm glad they deleted it
luckily it seems mods can see the original suggestions
so even if people edit them, it's not a problem

[white cliff]

Best thing you can do is screenshot and report, seems like there’s a strike system so a perm ban is inevitable.

[smoky yoke]

they dealt with already earlier, in removing the suggestion
i have also the screenshot, which i can still give if they need but seems like they can also view the original suggestion and the edit so i think it's fine

[steady cloud]

why u downvote my suggestion ?

[runic axle]

dude ban this valiox guy from suggestions please

[steady cloud]

?

its suggestion

u like it put 👍

u dont like it put 👎

dont insult people thx

[runic axle]

because thats pay to win dawg

i didnt insult anyone

i just said that they should stop suggesting jokes or really bad ideas

like a mini game to auto revive in a hardcore rogue lite looter dungeon game

wtf?

what he smoking

[white cliff]

Yeah don’t argue with him just mute him.

[real trellis]

It's the same 4-5 people who make all the stupid suggestions just look for a dumb suggest and check who thumbs up'd it and you know who all to block

[runic axle]

true

good idea

[real trellis]

Posting stupidly expensive monetized and/or pay to win suggestions is Desolent's "thing" every single suggestion from this person involves an overpriced and overpowered nonsense idea that doesn't fit with the game's themes

[opaque slate]

not true, ive seen a whopping one suggestion from him that doesnt have "pay" in it

[real trellis]

Wild

[opaque slate]

[ionic mango]

The demon anti christ of the suggestion channel strikes again

Solid gold as ever with that suggestion Desolent, i hope everyone takes notes

[stiff shard]

this game doesnt have enough attack animations to justify using the word 'pay' lol

[ionic mango]

well hes a whale what can you do

[stiff shard]

barbarians have 1 swing animation, the over the head downward lunge lol

[ionic mango]

if you add all his suggestions together it equals to over 400 euros that he wants to spend on the game

[dull glen]

that guy doesn't have 400 euros to spend on the game, he's just an attention starved child

[signal lake]

@steady cloud whoa thats such a cool and novel idea! $50 for a pet that loots for me in a game that takes .05s to loot and a cat in the dungeon seems very realistic. Big thumbs up hope they listen.

[foggy shadow]

You’re feeding him 😢

[signal lake]

Did i get baited its pretty early. Dog at 6am was like YOU NO SLEEP WE WALK

My $50 dog loots trash off the sidewalk for me

[steady cloud]

ok u can go loot and waste .05s while my turtle with blue shell loot for me

[sacred hill]

use same name ingame please

[ionic mango]

@sacred hill chad

[brisk oxide]

I just had a great idea, how about a class 'Dark Wizard'. For a perk all of the damage he does automatically heals him, and he has an ability to turn into a pool of blood that does AOE damage to his enemies. And he gets a special ability that automatically one-shots everyone in the dungeon and heals him to full. Could pay $50 to use his Ultimate ability. What do you think @steady cloud

[sacred hill]

thats actually the warlock and it will be free🙂

[runic axle]

good spoof post +funny for the league of legends champion ability addition that is in every shitty character suggestion

[brisk oxide]

I'm still waiting for his reponse for how excited he is.

[foggy shadow]

A $50 dog? Thats good value

[white cliff]

One of his suggestions is literally twisted fate.

[steady cloud]

👍

[runic axle]

lmao

[white cliff]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[sacred hill]

@signal lake dont snitch on me man

[brisk oxide]

And Gangplank

OMG he did it

/facepalm

[real trellis]

[brisk oxide]

Also one of my favorite suggestions was the "Please add realism, like hunger and thirst and stamina."...

I know from experience that I have almost died multiple times, from jogging at a medium pace for 10-15 minutes without eating or drinking.

[rancid pebble]

stuff like that ruins the pacing of the game, any want to talk about the suggestion to change ranger trap?

I was a ranger main and I think that traps are really good, never played with the skill check they used to have but even without that they take people enough time to get 2 shots off, feels cheesy

[smoky yoke]

there was a video showing some ranger stacking the inventory of only traps and placing so many traps that was nearly impossible to deal with
it is possible to jump for sure, but once you are trapped, you really have no time to disarm it cause the ranger will deal with you
so yea traps are very good if stacked

[rancid pebble]

I agree, and even in high ranked lobbies they are god

[smoky yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LgCZBk7tU

[rancid pebble]

simply knowing there is a trap there doesnt stop the fact you have to open the door, disarm it, all while Im sniping you with my long bow :3

they should try to find a way to nerf them

[smoky yoke]

this it shows how traps are very good

[runic axle]

is there a way to disarm traps before you step in them?

[smoky yoke]

yep

[runic axle]

im just gonna mute desolent guy it's decent comic relief but its annoying now lol

[smoky yoke]

but realistically you don't have time, especially if you have low resourcefulness or interaction speed
i dont remember which stat affects disarming traps

[runic axle]

next time i want a laugh ill unmute him

[smoky yoke]

oh wait, i misunderstood, as a rogue yes, but not sure about other classes

[rancid pebble]

yea, in the first few days it was easy to outplay the traps as a ranger or rogue but eventually rangers leared to camp them lol

I think it is resourcefulness?

[smoky yoke]

i didnt test other classes, but with rogue it is possible to disarm them before stepping them

[rancid pebble]

I think they should do a bleed and slow

or you should be able to shoot them/hit them to break

[smoky yoke]

yea something like that might be cool

i think in the playtest #2 traps were even different, there was even a tedious mini game i think for what people said
i didn't play the playtest #2

[rancid pebble]

yea, I heard that but never played either

[smoky yoke]

that also could be cool

[rancid pebble]

I have only gotten a few lockpicks off cuz im bad at those skill checks, I can't imagine how annoying traps used t be

[smoky yoke]

and my personal opinion i think it shouldnt be possible to stack many traps
like in that video stacking the inventory of only traps

imo there should be a cap, when you put them in your inventory only (not affected this in the stash of course)

[rancid pebble]

yea, but that would be hard to balance without straight up banning it you know? Like you would have to make a hard coded limit

People would not agree with that

[smoky yoke]

not sure what you mean by banning it 🤔

[rancid pebble]

Like as is, the inventory is able to do whatever, so any limit to what you can stack would make people feel bad

[smoky yoke]

maybe if the weight system will be implemented it may balance more the gameplay

cause for what ive seen, people running full potions in their inventory in high roller dungeons

the inventory was either red, or blue potions lol

[cosmic thistle]

@signal lake In the suggestion edit it to remind the people that a molotov on a trap is an instant kill unless there are like 3 clerics all spam healing holy light on the one trapped.

[rancid pebble]

I wonder what the weight system will be like

[smoky yoke]

dunno

[smoky yoke]

i survived once when trapped, and i was very surprised

[cosmic thistle]

Yes, But unlike the longbow, molotov isnt blockable.

[smoky yoke]

i tried to crouch and all trying to not get hit with arrows

[cosmic thistle]

Even after being molotoved?

[smoky yoke]

nono, just normally

trap + molotov seems a good combo in fact

[cosmic thistle]

Ok makes sense. This is mostly about the molotov and trap interaction.

[smoky yoke]

and perhaps lantern oil maybe
but seems it doesnt do very much damage lantern oil i think but not sure

molotov and lantern oil also some of the items that were not possible to buy i think
was only possible to find them during games

if im not wrong

[wanton eagle]

this desolent dude is just trolling now. just ban him

[cosmic thistle]

Trust me the molotov fire damage easily do 100 damage

[smoky yoke]

and molotov to me, was very rare

[cosmic thistle]

it ignores armor. Maybe magic damage?

[smoky yoke]

yes i dont doubt about that
i was wondering about lantern oil damage, but i think pretty much they do the same damage id guess

[cosmic thistle]

Not sure, I never personally tested if either did more or less than the other. I only threw them to block pathways.

[smoky yoke]

yes actually are also good to have some "pauses" during battles

so that you can heal during that time while you are defended by the flames

[cosmic thistle]

Heal? Nah im getting my damage buffs in and charging

[smoky yoke]

lol

[steady cloud]

guys

im make suggestion so maybe ironmace dev maybe like it and add to the game

if u dont liked it plz just put downvote

dont insult me and toxic ok ? thx

[cosmic thistle]

Honestly I agree with you on this one. They dont need to do you dirty like that. Everyone should have a right to make suggestions. Im sorry for upvoting the one that claimed otherwise. Ill change it immediately.

[steady cloud]

np 👍

[granite plinth]

All of ur suggestions are worst than most politics of Blizzard and EA together.

¿U have any problem with money?

[cosmic thistle]

@spare valve With the right crossbow, perks, and armor you can do 160 damage on a crossbow and shoot again 50-80% faster.

[steady cloud]

ok make downvote and move on why u insult ?

[frosty creek]

#d-and-d-suggestions message why was this down voted ?

[crude onyx]

cause you flood the suggestions with a deluge of utterly worthless garbage, making it hard to discuss suggestions made in good faith

if suggestions were deleted after hitting like -30 i wouldn't care at all

[cosmic thistle]

Its just a really big feature that can be very finicky and makes ranger tracking a bit redundant, also you just kept talking about feces which was off-putting to most.

[steady cloud]

? why u keep insulting ? i am make suggest for ironmace dev to read and if he like he will add

[granite plinth]

Your suggestions are like monetizations of mobile games, it's TOXIC.

[crude onyx]

till then i have to look at your thoughtless attempts at comedy

[granite plinth]

People like u ruin games

Literally

[crude onyx]

why do you have to put garbage in front of me

[spare valve]

leave the discord go away

[steady cloud]

i like mobile games especially epic 7 ? is there issue with this ?

[granite plinth]

Yep

[cosmic thistle]

Alright guys no point in arguing about it. All of you are in direct odds with eachother.

[crude onyx]

i have the right not to read the worst of humanity while i'm on my lunch break

[steady cloud]

<@&988703997378584596> plz stop them they are insulting me non stop

[spare valve]

https://tenor.com/view/auuggghh-ugh-eeughh-eaogkdaogh-snoringaneurysm-gif-25678805

[vivid rover]

whats the most successful game in the world? thats right, genshin impact

ironmace would learn from how they monetize

[crude onyx]

i agree, it's great. play it instead of turning this game into genshin

[vivid rover]

we need a crossover

[granite plinth]

Don't compare genshin crap to other games.

[crude onyx]

we need you to leave

[vivid rover]

lol mad bob because its more popular than your fav game

[steady cloud]

its ok i pinged the mods they will be dealt with

[granite plinth]

Popular doesn't mean better

Kid

[steady cloud]

they can be toxic in the naughty corner

[crude onyx]

criticism isn't toxicity

[vivid rover]

thank 🤠 👍

[vivid rover]

yes it does lol, its how you measure success

[crude onyx]

i mean you know that, you're trolling for any amount of negative feedback so you can cry about being verbally assaulted

[spare valve]

you kinda deserve it people are complaining you spam suggestions with garbage copypastes of the same thing over and over

[frosty creek]

okey i will revised it and post again

[cosmic thistle]

I look foward to it mr beanz.

[spare valve]

ur litterally @steady cloud s alt...

you are both the same person

[vivid rover]

rude

[granite plinth]

U can make a really succesfull game without selling ur soul to the Devil.

[steady cloud]

ok how u will make money then ?

[crude onyx]

wouldn't be surprised if all the suggestion spammers are the same person

[white cliff]

Hey just heads up, it’s recommended to block the trolls because arguing with them just gives them an out to ping a warden. And then we can’t actually discuss things.

[steady cloud]

they make game for fun or for money ? money....

[crude onyx]

they all go to the same crap

[white cliff]

There’s certainly an upvote pattern.

[granite plinth]

Pay 30 or 40 bucks at first

[vivid rover]

pay, yes

then pay again

[granite plinth]

And u have all the content

[vivid rover]

and again

[granite plinth]

Not

[crude onyx]

"add pay to win" "add character from non-dnd title here" "change this game to another game"

[vivid rover]

servers cost money

[steady cloud]

yes then pay 50 + 30 + 25 for heroes to play... thats how u make money... im trying to tell the devs how to make money

[spare valve]

ok? add stupid skins then lol

dont make the game ptw

[vivid rover]

y i want a rainbow horse mount

thank

[steady cloud]

mounts...

thats good idea

i will write suggestion wait

[crude onyx]

can we pay money to ban idiots from this game

guaranteed billions for these devs

[white cliff]

Again, just block them. All you’re doing is getting their rocks off by arguing with them.

[granite plinth]

I would pay for that

[white cliff]

They’re both here all the time doing this constantly.

[granite plinth]

They are the worst type of player of any game.

[crude onyx]

i keep forgetting about that option tbh

[granite plinth]

Like the idiot dude that spend 100k in Diablo inmmortal

[crude onyx]

thanks for the reminder

[vivid rover]

lol noob im top 10 in my fifa league

[steady cloud]

what yall think of the suggestion ?

[crude onyx]

now if only i could block their braindead suggestions

[white cliff]

Yeah, the wardens are working on fixing the tab.

They want everyone to be heard, but at the same time need to be able to sort out racist, sexist, homophobic, or troll suggestions.

[crude onyx]

i mean that's fine

[cosmic thistle]

I think it has a lot of passion.

[steady cloud]

ok 👍

[crude onyx]

but a simple "no pay 2 win no recognizable characters from other media no changing this game to be like another game" rule would go so far

[steady cloud]

why people cant be like u ?

just make good comment or make advise for fixing the suggestion

not toxic

[crude onyx]

and it would hit 100% of their suggestions

[steady cloud]

ur good kid bro @cosmic thistle

[cosmic thistle]

Because internet.

[vivid rover]

they kids and want they mommy to buy them games @steady cloud

[white cliff]

But I mean suggestions are subjective.

[white cliff]

Because not everyone agrees with trolls. We’ve tried to have a discussion with him before and he just doesn’t want to have it.

I’m all for discourse.

[vivid rover]

disagree with you = troller 🥟

[rose sandal]

[cosmic thistle]

I understand. But honestly at this point we should see its futile. Just accept it for what it is. A fun time. The devs are the ones that truly choose whats a bad suggestion or not. For now just relax and dont take the suggestions at face value with maximum scrutiny output. 🙂

[steady cloud]

👍

[white cliff]

Troll suggestions coupled with insults and a lengthy chat history is in fact trolling.

[crude onyx]

i mean yea that's what this is, a fun time

[cosmic thistle]

Yes what you describe is trolling.

[crude onyx]

and people trolling are ruining that fun

it's a simple ask for them to stop being able to do that

[white cliff]

Right both of which those two people have.

People trolling ruins genuine discussion.

[cosmic thistle]

😦 Im sorry its ruining your fun. But honestly I dont feel like picking a side and pushing anyone out. Just let everyone be. As they have already said. Just downvote them if you dont like it then move on.

[steady cloud]

🥹

[rose sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-chaldea-chaldea-reorg-yo-what-are-we-talking-about-here-gif-19463694

[crude onyx]

again, it wouldn't be so bad if -30 suggestions were auto deleted

[white cliff]

Their “fun” is at the detriment of others.

[crude onyx]

but as it is now, you go to the suggestions page, and it's just wall after wall of trash

[white cliff]

Same thing as always.

[stiff imp]

Dev said they don’t want a pay2win game, so advise for your upcoming daily suggestions: stop asking for pay2win features. Thank you 🙂

[crude onyx]

with like 2 genuine suggestions there

[cosmic thistle]

If its an issue that you cant co-exist with then dont engage/block them so they dont have to deal with the extensive scrutiny and you dont have to read what you consider a troll post. @crude onyx @white cliff

Thats a Win-win situation really

[white cliff]

I already do that, and I report then ones that are racist, homophobic or sexist. I was not just a few minutes ago suggesting the other two new people do the same, instead of engaging with the two trolls who have a lengthy history.

[crude onyx]

yea i already have

[cosmic thistle]

People are debating whether or not other people they deem to be trolls are allowed to have free speech. I honestly dont think they mean harm.

[crude onyx]

but blocking people doesn't stop their suggestions from popping up

[granite plinth]

airplane

Their suggestions can kill the game

[cosmic thistle]

I don't know what to tell ya. Its out of my power then. If you cant deal with them and I can't calm you with any discord features or words of peace than I guess its at a standstill until either a warden gets involved or you do leave it be.

[granite plinth]

And make their players whales that each pay 10000 bucks

[crude onyx]

i don't think it's that serious

the devs can tell when a suggestion is bad

it's more of, they show up and suck all the air out of the room, figuratively speaking

[white cliff]

And the reason you block them is because arguing with them gives them a reason to ping spam the moderators.

[crude onyx]

yea i respect that

[cosmic thistle]

👍

[white cliff]

So not only is the discussion with them impossible, it’s an annoyance for them as well.

[crude onyx]

i mean if they ping spam the mods enough then they'll hopefully get banned

[granite plinth]

I mean, we have examples, overwatch 2, 20 or 30$ for skin when in Overwatch 1 u can have them all free.

Looks like a prank until it becomes real

[crude onyx]

that's more a decision made by the people higher up the decision chain though

aka actiblizz nepo babies

[rose sandal]

I’ve said it before, so I’ll say it again for my piece of input.
You can never necessarily tell when someone’s trolling. Of course there are blatant trollers. But who are WE to decide if someone is borderline trolling or not. Obviously the hardcore troll will get their suggestion deleted. But we aren’t the dev’s we can’t just go through suggestions and have accused trolls comments removed when it relates to the game because WE think they are trolling.
And the comment someone just made, 30 dislikes and it auto removes. That is ASKING for spam deleting, it wouldn’t work.
But for the trolls who are caught blatantly trolling in suggestions they are dealt with and warned not to do it again

[crude onyx]

ironmace seems to be in total control of their game here, and it looks like the devs have the final say, so i doubt they'll intentionally ruin their game with p2w bs or anything like that

[vivid rover]

anyone know if ironmace is hiring btw? i wanna apply

[crude onyx]

ok i don't mean to be disrespectful but when you see people asking for the ability to pay 50 dollars to autokill everyone else in the dungeon do you believe they're suggesting that from a place of good faith or

[rose sandal]

That is obviously troll, I’m typically the one who’s been cleaning suggestions out. I just haven’t been able to get to them yesterday because IRL Stuff and I’m currently at work right now and just chatting

[crude onyx]

that's fair, i don't mean to imply that you necessarily need to be working harder, i understand this position does take a lot of time

[cosmic thistle]

I agree with this sentiment. I honestly am out of ideas of what to tell people to leave the suggesters alone.

[crude onyx]

but wouldn't it save a lot of time and effort simply to restrict people from suggesting if they establish a pattern of that behavior?

[rose sandal]

I got you, I just don’t want another outroar happening because everyone thinks mods aren’t doing anything. I’m just busy but will handle it

[white cliff]

You wouldn’t be able to secure a position for the fact alone that a Korean work visa is extremely hard to get. Though I know this is bait lol.

[smoky yoke]

imo adding a slowmode of some hours it might be helpful

[crude onyx]

i'd honestly be ok with that

[smoky yoke]

just in the make-suggestion channel

[crude onyx]

slowmode of one a day?

[white cliff]

Make it 24h slow mode.

[rose sandal]

I though slow mode was active for 6 hours already?

[crude onyx]

there's no way you come up with more than one good suggestion a day for days in a row

[rose sandal]

Idk I’m immune 🙂

[smoky yoke]

it does make sense
so it helps either mods and devs

[cosmic thistle]

Please, mercy.

[rose sandal]

😅

[white cliff]

One suggestion a day is fine.

Even from the six seven trolls that’s still a lot to remove but still manageable.

[rose sandal]

Thank you all for relaying that. I will speak with tavern masters and try getting that set

[smoky yoke]

there is not

many people also spamming suggestions sometimes within 5 minutes

[cosmic thistle]

Np. anytime.

[crude onyx]

thank you. even that much would do wonders for the quality of discussion here

[pallid vapor]

Yeah I feel like I just lost brain cells scrolling through the last 50 suggestions. This needs fixed

[smoky yoke]

yea at least gives space to the people that really want to suggest something
and because of the slowmode it will be helpful to check suggestions ect

[foggy shadow]

Why dont we have a second suggestion channel for people who do well in the first suggestion channel?

[rose sandal]

It has been brought up now, we just wait for a decision

[smoky yoke]

kinda confusionary imo
just adding the slowmode would be cool

[signal lake]

lol ❤️

[signal lake]

Sheeeshhh thats so meme ima write that one down for sure

[pallid vapor]

Slow mode and just make a time out role of some sort that blocks people from suggesting for x amount of time or something

[foggy shadow]

Yes please, a time out role would be good

[cosmic thistle]

Yeah it will actually kill someone regardless of their armor most of the time.

[signal lake]

cant believe it bout one shot me in rubysilver full plate

literally scared tf out of me watching my health vanish

[cosmic thistle]

Oh yeah in your lich solo runs yeah?

Good on ya btw. Its encouraging me to try out some hydra gaming as a cleric to finally get some range in playtest #4.

[signal lake]

Hyrda Gaming will be meta in Feb

[cosmic thistle]

I really liked bonking the entire lobby to death but this works too.

[signal lake]

LOL

[cosmic thistle]

Block door with molotov then charge, smite go brrrr.

[signal lake]

@foggy shadow I hope your suggestion goes through soon

[cosmic thistle]

Or judgment if you wanna do them dirty.

[rose sandal]

Got confirmation it is slow now, someone check it for me

[trim bronze]

well 1 minut slow mode on a channel works

if it is what you asked about

@rose sandal delate my test suggestion pls