suggestion-discussion

[brisk zealot]

it also balances wizard out more for solo play

[sacred hill]

hes insulting himself

[fervent crag]

Then block him lmao, problem solved

[brisk zealot]

at the cost of their firepower

[steady cloud]

Why hes toxic in first place ?

[mystic skiff]

true

[mystic skiff]

your toxic

[steady cloud]

How ?

For suggesting ?

[mystic skiff]

stop being toxic

[lusty wren]

Just bring out that ban hammer 😄

[steady cloud]

Thats the point of this room ?!

[sacred hill]

this is not a casino man

[mystic skiff]

lol

[frosty creek]

guys dont be mean plz ... it is hard to discuss the game like this .. always some one flaming for what ? its just a sugestion u want more details vote 🤔 dont down vote and flame and block and troll ..

@sacred hill u are the most rude

[mystic skiff]

dude they keep bringing it up, that same logic goes for the people who post about P2W

[sacred hill]

ill chill out then

[mystic skiff]

just stop bringing it up in chat

[steady cloud]

So what downvote and move on

[sacred hill]

trolls are atacking me

[mystic skiff]

you move on

tf

[steady cloud]

Why u ping me and insult ?

[mystic skiff]

🧌

^desolent

[steady cloud]

@sacred hill @mystic skiff i hope mod mutes u two

[frosty creek]

every thing u say for 1 hour is rude and u blame others ?

i dont talked to u i dont flamed u but u flame me ?

[sacred hill]

who are u?

[frosty creek]

funny ...

[blazing vapor]

Take 10 minutes to cool down and stop baiting other users.

[steady cloud]

They keep pinging and insulting all day…

[sacred hill]

never had a conversation with you

[frosty creek]

#suggestion-discussion message 20min ago u are rude to me

now u dont know me ok

[fervent crag]

It’s cause your not worth his time

[steady cloud]

So rude…

[sacred hill]

reality hits hard

[frosty creek]

yes he is big boss rude to every one becuz he dont like their suggest for a game !

😂

[steady cloud]

True

[sacred hill]

wrong, i jsut downvote them

[steady cloud]

Lie

[frosty creek]

lier

[sacred hill]

u have too much feelings

[steady cloud]

Why u ping and insult then ?

[sacred hill]

high estrogen

[fervent crag]

Damn, did everyone get muted or something. Where’d all the entertainment go

[lusty wren]

Hope so

[sacred hill]

we chilling

[strange sable]

Why are we finally getting a mod to clean up suggestions but they are more full of trolls than ever before

[sacred hill]

@steady cloud and @frosty creek are spaming the suggestions like a tinder chat

[strange sable]

@frosty creek has always been a annoying troll

[frosty creek]

2 suggestion in a day and its spam ?

wow

[strange sable]

Also probably 7 by the way he talks

@steady cloud is just obsessed with p2w games for some weird reason

[lucid root]

must be a mobile gamer

[shadow scaffold]

Ever met someone with lots of money?

[strange sable]

Yes?

[shadow scaffold]

Man... in this life.. you have to live and let live

He admits to spending 10k

On games

[lucid root]

why do people with a fortune always play the worst games, like some mobile kingdom builder or something

[shadow scaffold]

Ofc he will want to do the same here

And suggest it.

[white cliff]

Yet he’s not self aware enough to understand why it ruins a lot of games. And the ramifications of being a whale in mobile games?

[glacial bridge]

people who play games dont need to throw fistfuls of cash to have fun. people who are incompetent use money as a way to find fun since they cannot compete on an even field

[white cliff]

DnD is a dev passion project not a cash grab.

[white cliff]

Based.

[lucid root]

more money spent does directly equate to more fun though

[mystic skiff]

yes

[vivid rover]

if i was a dev and saw whales waving 10k$ each at me id grab the harpoons and implement some p2w

and this is completely normal in korea

you guys are naive

[white cliff]

Good thing you’re not.

The game was designed because they where sick of the culture and games being created.

Check out any interviews or QnA’s.

[vivid rover]

thats a PR statement, you cannot trust anything companies say

their actions will speak for them

[sacred hill]

agree

[mystic skiff]

they obviously don't care about the money. If they did they would release it now and make it 60$ with purchasable cosmetics and stuff

[vivid rover]

nobody cares not about money

[glacial bridge]

we could all come up with cash grab schemes if we wanted to.

[vivid rover]

they have families to feed and mortgages to pay

we arent all in the position to grab cash, it takes an opportunity

and almost everyone would take it

[strange sable]

You don’t have to give in to p2w shit to be a successful game?

[mystic skiff]

go fund me, patreon, ect.

fansly

kick starter

PH

XNXX

[smoky yoke]

so far it's all good though
to me it seems a very good as company and has good morals to begin

[vivid rover]

its fine to be optimistic but stay cautious and dont treat PR statements as ground truth

[white cliff]

Most of, if not all of the devs came from high companies and titles, to create a passion project that was in opposition to the Korean work culture, and game design. Although that mortgages and food are evident, I don’t see why they wouldn’t be. The passion behind this speaks volumes, and they would take whale handouts. That for one is very clear.

[vivid rover]

i would milk whales for all theyre worth if i was in their position

[white cliff]

You should watch interviews and QnA’s like I said before.

[vivid rover]

free money is nice

[white cliff]

You should listen to the story of Otto the tavern dog.

[sacred hill]

and destroy your own game and future profits

[white cliff]

Again, good thing you’re not a game designer.

[glacial bridge]

this is why i posted a suggestion this morning about focusing cosmetic purchases to Tavern decorations. We want ways for individuals to give extra support to devs but I dont want to see cosmetic skins inside matches

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[strange sable]

Being proud of your good game is even better

[vivid rover]

games that let whales spend infinite money are massively popular and successful

[white cliff]

Producing a good game makes money.

[vivid rover]

it wouldnt kill anything

you cant eat pride

[white cliff]

And this is why you’re staying blocked. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[strange sable]

Diablo immortal could have been great if they didn’t do that

[white cliff]

Not worth my effort.

[sacred hill]

diablo immortal is still alive?

[white cliff]

Not explaining it for a third time.

[vivid rover]

diablo is a huge success, the entire series

earned so much money and will keep earning

same for future titles

[glacial bridge]

diablo immortal was a financial success. its also the go-to example for a terrible game that highlights developer greed at the expense of their fans

[agile condor]

Yeah, sounds like Darker is their best player

[glacial bridge]

diablo immortal has stained the Diablo franchise as well as Blizzard

[vivid rover]

certainly hasnt stained their finances

thats all that matters to companies

[strange sable]

Would you rather be wealthy while having a good game and community, or very rich and have a game that is looked down upon for greed

[glacial bridge]

thats also why i'm looking to play video games like dark and darker instead of Diablo 4. miss me with that sellout shit

[vivid rover]

very rich, 100%

[white cliff]

When you’re promoting corporate greed.

[vivid rover]

in the first place whats so great about having a game to your name?

[white cliff]

Instead of making good games.

[vivid rover]

you can do all sorts of things with all that money

[glacial bridge]

im just one person, but i'll vote with my dollar regardless

[agile condor]

Yeah ya know, discontinuing their services in China, no biggie lol

[white cliff]

None of it goes towards salaries I’ll tell you that.

[sacred hill]

like rekt your reputation?

[vivid rover]

who cares if im rich? lmao

people still buy it

[white cliff]

You aren’t rich though. You are a dev in this case.

[strange sable]

Because then you die and you are seen as a rich asshole?

[white cliff]

It’s like talking to a wall.

[sacred hill]

when a non p2w game comes out and its legit you will be lost

[vivid rover]

the devs are entirely uninvolved in deciding how the game is monetized

corpo decides that

[strange sable]

It’s a indie game?

[mossy ruin]

You can converse all you want, but I do not think Darker's worldview will be adjusted. I almost feel like hes trolling you guys or being semantical about the whole thing.

[mystic skiff]

huh?

[agile condor]

I think we all just block darker lol, dude is just a massive troll

[white cliff]

That’s why he’s blocked.

[agile condor]

Blocked as well

[sacred hill]

chill, youll get me banned xd

[agile condor]

Just block him

[mystic skiff]

dude I got timed out by a mod and they couldnt even explain why

[smoky yoke]

kinda a bit soulless 🤔

[strange sable]

Was it by teddy bear?

[mystic skiff]

nah

[rose sandal]

#rule 11. Do not discuss moderation in public. Moderation decisions are final and are not to be discussed in the community channels. If you take issue with the way a moderator has handled a situation, please DM Luci or Graysun regarding your concern.

[vivid rover]

the CEO of ironmace makes their financial decisions ultimately

[shadow scaffold]

I mean, you guys think the team of 24 devs is gonna count votes and decide on the price date and model of making money in the long term? Lol

[agile condor]

Loll

[vivid rover]

and devs would partake in the blubber earned from whale hunting in some part

[glacial bridge]

lmao Mod clapped back sooo quick

better watch yourself

[mystic skiff]

lol

[sacred hill]

critical damage

[white cliff]

Yet he doesn’t clap back when I send him anti semantic screenshots.

🤷🏼‍♂️

[strange sable]

Teddy has been watching the whole conversation

[agile condor]

Just block darker, let him talk to himself and Beanz and don't get in trouble

[mystic skiff]

it is what it is

[smoky yoke]

you screenshoted? at least you did good
now the one that made that suggestion, edited the suggestion to avoid the ban/time out lol

[sacred hill]

he went to sleep

[white cliff]

I mean I can’t discuss moderation punishments but he’s not typing here anymore so.

[smoky yoke]

too bad they didnt take action for that, which was weird

[white cliff]

Somebody made magic happen.

[shadow scaffold]

Anti-semantic? Wowe

[agile condor]

I mean darker was liking suggestions probably from his alt around killing Russian children and nothing happened lol

[glacial bridge]

i did notice a couple of suggestions I didnt recognize but had already downvoted. people sneaking full edits lmao

[vivid rover]

are you a putin supporter? #SlavaUkraini

russia must fall

for their illegal war of aggression

[strange sable]

Tf? Putin does not equal everyone in Russia

[vivid rover]

as long as russians dont revolt against putin they are complicit

[sacred hill]

watch for the timeout

[glacial bridge]

this ought to be an intellectual and productive discussion...

[vivid rover]

its like the nazis in germany, they were all guilty for not rebelling against hitler

[agile condor]

Just ignore and block lol

[vivid rover]

not just hitler himself

[strange sable]

@rose sandal

[mossy ruin]

Idk if this is against the rules, but its massively ignorant thats for sure...

[vivid rover]

@agile condor is the one who brought up politics and probably supports putin

anyone moral stands with ukraine

end of story

[sacred hill]

negative

[strange sable]

<@&988703997378584596> look what darker is saying man

[robust salmon]

i think darker is an example of what happens to someone when they don't get their monthly dose of dark and darker

[vivid rover]

can you say that you stand with ukraine? say it i dare you

because i do

[robust salmon]

full crackhead energy

[vivid rover]

those poor people deserve our support

[radiant wave]

cringe and cringers up in here

[vivid rover]

do you stand with volodymyr zelensky against vladolf putler?

[strange sable]

Yeah so what are you going to do? Go fight in the war yourself if you blame people for not fighting

[mystic skiff]

huh?!!!

how did this turn political

[fervent crag]

Lol

[sacred hill]

he became a politician suddenly

[mossy ruin]

This isnt really thr place to show your support, if you really cared you would do it in a relevant place or take action. We are here to talk about dark and darker, stop being like that.

[rose sandal]

Drop it

new topic please

[white cliff]

Y’all for real, just block him and move on.

[mossy ruin]

Did anyone ever run into Rangers jumping up on torches near ramps and being practically unreachable? I wanted to record it and report but he got down.

Did this get shed light by anyone?

[robust salmon]

it's not unreachable if he got up there

[mystic skiff]

I mean, if rangers can do it cant others get there too

[fervent crag]

Crouch jump up there

[mossy ruin]

Well he was shootinf

[robust salmon]

there are many crouch jumpable secret spots u can get to, you just have to discover them

[smoky yoke]

technically possible in some part of the map yea
you become unreachable because doing some weird parkour
but they could also reach you by doing the same thing but less likely cause ranger then will use his bow

[mossy ruin]

Its unreachable alive, yeah i meant its overly advantageous imo

[smoky yoke]

and thats why as i said ranger has more advantages than others
especially in maps with very open area

[tawny lagoon]

Elevation in general seems a bit too powerful

[robust salmon]

u play a lot of things to ur advantage in this game, i've been that ranger and i've also fought them, best strat is to just go away

[tawny lagoon]

Both PvE and pvp

[mystic skiff]

I mean its an advantage for everyone, no? it would be a different story if only ranger could do it

[smoky yoke]

i like maps being developed vertically
and its also cool escaping from monsters and maybe players by using parkour

[mystic skiff]

thats the point, “I Have the High Ground!”

[smoky yoke]

star wars reference

[tame kindle]

Yea

[white cliff]

I agree, the wheel map when added back to high roller was incredibly hard to push against three rangers.

Verticality seems to have a ton of power, as it does in most games.

[tawny lagoon]

I like it too, but being able to kill every melee mob without danger might be nerfed. Maybe some ranged attacks will be added to some bosses to fix that

[white cliff]

Monsters don’t deal with verticality well either though.

[mystic skiff]

agreed. I think the AI will get more advanced over time

[smoky yoke]

yea probably AI will be tweaked/reworked
as they stated recently in the last qna

[plucky crown]

who cares about the AI tbh

is perfect the way it is for whatb the game is

[white cliff]

AI are a big part of the game.

[smoky yoke]

they are going to tweak the AI as they stated

[glacial bridge]

i somewhat agree. i care more about what im doing and the other players. ai needs buffs but its not at the top of my priority list

[mystic skiff]

some of the AI is just to easy to work around

[frosty creek]

#d-and-d-suggestions message why this is down voted ?

it dont have to be big loot .. maybe 1% better loot only ?

[smoky yoke]

and possibly avoid people cheesing at the top of objects
you could like stand there even in some chests and not getting hit by mummies/other mobs

[smoky yoke]

it's not very clear what you are trying to say

[mystic skiff]

honestly once you know how to cheese, you can beat almost anything easily accept ghost king

[glacial bridge]

thats because even he doesnt know

[white cliff]

He’s saying in the tavern there should be an npc which can be killed, if it’s alive it increases loot drops by a percentage.

[smoky yoke]

technically there was something with the giant shield that you can put
but iirc they might give a durability for that

[frosty creek]

ok so there is cat in lobby when waiting for full players (16)
i suggest add pug
and make both attackabel
if cat alive when game start every one get little bit better loot in game ! very small

[mystic skiff]

I dont see the point in that

unless you just wanna see a cute pug

[smoky yoke]

same

[mystic skiff]

if you want better loot go to high roller or hell

[fervent crag]

Trolls would just kill it when they load in, no point

[white cliff]

There’s already a cute dog though.

Otto has a cool story too.

[mystic skiff]

and I slice it every time

[white cliff]

Dang you’d be on my kos list.

[mystic skiff]

lol

[white cliff]

Anybody who hits that dog I’m out to get the entire game.

[mystic skiff]

john wick style

[white cliff]

Haha.

[smoky yoke]

it was fun when someone "attacked" the dog
and then everyone in the tavern, focusing on that player, everyone stabbing the one who even dared to touch the dog lol

was really a fun moment

[rose sandal]

Except ^^

Just wanted to help out

[mystic skiff]

I meant to put a comma there

,accept ghost king

[rose sandal]

🤦🏻

[mystic skiff]

he gets too much hate

maybe a ;

[rose sandal]

You can beat almost anything easily, EXCEPT ghost king

[mystic skiff]

noooo

you can beat almost anything easily; accept GHOST KING!

accept him into your heart

[rose sandal]

I cant

Never beat him

I will never accept him

[mystic skiff]

😦

[rose sandal]

What about.,.... accept the DRAGON?

[mystic skiff]

THE DRAGON?

[rose sandal]

Yeah yeah

[mystic skiff]

me like dragon

[rose sandal]

Until you get fire blasted back to the lobby lol

[late geode]

ghostking is honestly easier after u learn him

[rose sandal]

Then no likey dragon

[mystic skiff]

I wanna die in a ball of fire

❤️‍🔥

[foggy shadow]

Thats just sad

[mystic skiff]

🥹

[foggy shadow]

Hope you feel better

[rose sandal]

I haven't put enough effort into beating him, But this next playtest I Plan on it

[mystic skiff]

I was joking, but it would be a honor to be the first man to die to the dragon

[late geode]

yeah people are just scared and dont even try to kill the bosses

they arent hard after u learn them

[urban pollen]

[foggy shadow]

😳

[mystic skiff]

[strange sable]

[regal rock]

kinda wish I tried, and that I had used that purple spear in my stash that I thought I would have the time to use but didn't

[late geode]

i always bring my best gear

no point in being scared to lose it and then never use it

[regal rock]

yea I wanted better armor to bring the spear with

did have it but forgot about the spear before I lost the armor xD

so kinda just dumb

Oh I also want to make better use of the player market too and not ignore it completely

[late geode]

forsen

[mystic skiff]

🇸

[fervent crag]

😮‍💨

[lucid root]

forsen

[agile condor]

Same unless I'm soloing and waiting to play with friends, I'll hold on the gear

[lucid root]

thats the first 2 days of release, just hoarding things and not using them

Gotta have spare sets for when I die back to back

I feel like this game is comparable to high stakes gambling, in terms of the adrenaline high you get from it

And just like the gambling addict we play until our stash is wiped

The gambler always plays to lose

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Where does this end though, just an entirely different open world game?

Go outside and it's an mmo

[strange sable]

@wary shell could you explain what that spell would do in the suggestion?

[lucid root]

Crapload of damage I'm assuming

[wary shell]

its an AoE that emits from the caster, does damage and pushes enemies back

it does good damage in dark souls, but its certainly not necessary for this game

[strange sable]

no

I really like the idea of being able to decorate your tavern/table

[lucid root]

Yeaaah, maybe you can get banners behind you for killing each boss

[strange sable]

@wintry forge why are you against this?

Would be cool if they made a whole area to keep your stash and NPC merchants but that would be a lot of work

[agile condor]

Idk think I'ma downvote as well lol - just don't care about stuff like that right now

[strange sable]

Still think it’s a good idea for the future even if it shouldn’t be a priority rn

[agile condor]

If anything has more suggestions than troll suggestions, it's minor changes for 3 years from now lol 😄

[lucid root]

Then if you kill the highroller variant your banner turns kinda red

[agile condor]

yeah so for the 2.5 seconds you're in the tavern, you see a flash of red

woooo

[lucid root]

😭

[agile condor]

lol

[lucid root]

I be sitting at that lobby table for a while though

[wintry forge]

I'm against anything that will give the devs lots of extra work. If they like a suggestion, they can implement it though. I also tend to not read walls of text, so I also either down vote those or ignore them.

[sacred hill]

you always downvote the good ones

[mint ravine]

We're looking into potentially improving the suggestion system.

I'd like to put that out there.

[tender magnet]

Good

[strange sable]

Nice! 👍

[mystic skiff]

POGGERS

[lucid root]

For a second I thought it said potentially removing

[mint ravine]

It was an idea.
During non PlayTest periods.

I don't want to take away anyone's ability to express idea's.
Especially as we do have some very genuine inputs.

However this system does get abused frequently and ends up in an argument here.

If anyone has idea's on improving this section, I'm open to it, feel free to DM Me.

[late geode]

send the ones that get more than +15 opinion to a different channel

so its more organized

[strange sable]

Yep, and delete the downvoted ones after 48 hours

[opal sparrow]

A chat cooldown would be great aswell so there will be less spam, if only it will not affect the ".edit" system

[strange sable]

There already is a 5 min cooldown

[opal sparrow]

Like he said he doesnt want to take anyones ability to express ideas.. that applies to the downvoted ones

[opal sparrow]

Oh mb then, but still on a 5 min cooldown I have seen 2-3 troll posts on the same person in a row

[strange sable]

There should be a point where the idea should be removed, like 40 downvotes is a trash suggestion or a obvious troll

[glacial bridge]

most trolls feign ignorance but dont fall for it. they are just screwing with you

[lucid root]

We're all terrible people and we should be ashamed

[strange sable]

😭

[smoky yoke]

imo putting a 6hrs slowdown timer would be already nice in "make suggestion"
so people might think twice and not trolling but being serious at least
and it would be less flooded, perhaps also for the devs having more visibility to suggestions

[hollow sentinel]

please do

[smoky yoke]

@granite plinth battle passes are bad, and don't really make sense cause are only always against to the consumers

[white cliff]

Yeah but arguable some of the suggestions are trolls, like “add soap to remove debuffs and to encourage players to take showers”.

Anything that turns green should be put into a separate channel to be looked at permanently and for review, and the others get removed.

Simple.

[smoky yoke]

yes

i had a suggestion with 100 positive thumbs up but rip
people trolling flooding and probably it wont be seen
not even sure why people wanna troll, or trying to give bad suggestions on purpose
just to ruin the game or something 🤔

[granite plinth]

They can put in emotes with them

Like, you wave in the game etc

And if u kill someone, an animation of a garbage bin falls on top of them

[white cliff]

Not every game needs a battle pass.

Fortnite has clearly left a stain on the industry because of profitability. And it’s been so successful it’s confused and convinced consumers that it’s the only viable solution; and one they want.

[smoky yoke]

why not just dlc/microtransactions only? just a pack of gestures
cosmetic only

not sure if it does make sense a battle pass here 🤔

but i hope the gestures will be free at least
and i hope they just monetize on skins only

[white cliff]

Buy my $70 game, and then pay $20 for content that you should already have but is locked behind challenges and it isn’t guaranteed unless you time sink into the game. When is this something consumers decided they wanted?

[lusty wren]

Damn troll messed up my 100% upvote on my suggestion 😄

[smoky yoke]

if they add microtransactions for cosmetics i hope
cosmetics wont have stats
and i hope no fomo
and i also hope there will be at least as percentage 80% free cosmetic as majority
while the cosmetics with real money just a minority

maybe they could use like the DRG model where they give tons of free cosmetics when big updates drop but also with a normal cosmetic pack just to support devs potentially

in some games the majority of cosmetics are just behind a paywall rip
like 90% paid
and 10% just obtainable in game

[rigid prawn]

DRG should be the industry standard for battlepass systems

Fuck i want dwarves so bad lol

[white cliff]

Why am I forced to play for content I already bought?

[granite plinth]

yes bro all cosmetic

[smoky yoke]

lol
thats the only battle pass that works cause its completely free

[rigid prawn]

its called progression

[smoky yoke]

like, its not even a battle pass anyway

they never called such i think

[rigid prawn]

its called the "performance pass" i think

buts its pretty obvious what it is lol

[smoky yoke]

i agree btw
but we need to see how they will monetize the game, they probably have to do it in some degrees to mantain also the costs of the servers
id like a game with no microtransactions at all as well

[rigid prawn]

the problem with battle passes is the FOMO

[white cliff]

I’m not saying don’t sell skins or have transactions.

I just don’t like the industry standard battle pass.

[rigid prawn]

but DRG allows you buy things in the BP after its over with the ingame currencies to counteract it

[white cliff]

It’s not advantageous for a consumer in any way.

[smoky yoke]

also i think in early access i very doubt they will start to charge for dlcs, or skins
maybe they will start that when the game will be fully released probably

ah i dont like battle passes as well

they look like mobile stuff battle stuff

[rigid prawn]

i wouldn't fear any toxic industry stuff from the D&D devs, theyve made it pretty clear they hate that shit

[smoky yoke]

just a weird kr4p to force people in buying those because of the fomo

[white cliff]

No I don’t expect it either.

I’m just discussing why I don’t want a battle pass as it was a suggestion someone made.

And we are in fact in said channel.

[mossy venture]

Emote that drops everything in your inventory; Kind of like a, "Ahh, don't kill me, hands ups, here's all my stuff?"
Votes
Opinion: +11
Upvotes: 37 📥 58.73%
Downvotes: 26 📤 41.26%

We did it! Over 51% !!
Majority shares means we win right?

[smoky yoke]

i mean you could already do it

by doing the surrender emote and dropping the stuff manually 🤔

[white cliff]

Small sample size, but it is a positive rate.

Is it green though?

[mossy venture]

I do believe I

[rigid prawn]

yeah i feel like including any sort of monetisation model in your suggestion is a guaranteed way to insure you get 40+ downvotes

[mossy venture]

d be dead be fore that

[rigid prawn]

i put a suggestion to make races have 0 ingame effects and be earned ingame with the OPTION of monetisation and it got like 4 upvotes but in discussion people seem to want it

[smoky yoke]

not sure what it does mean the green bar in the suggestions btw
i made a suggestion had 102 positive reviews but isnt green or at least maybe it was

[sonic pendant]

i just don't think we should be concerned coming up with ways for the devs to make their money. they'll do what they need to, and if we don't like it when it happens we can voice that opinion, but suggesting battlepasses or paid skins or paid items or monthly/weekly fees is kinda... idk overly specific and not our business

[rigid prawn]

i think its quite literally our business since it could make the game unappealing if done incorrectly

[mossy venture]

.>

...no
It is not green.

[rigid prawn]

discussing it now gives them and idea of ways they could do it without pissing us off lol

cause at the end of the day they will need to make money to keep the servers up

if you want to play the game for longer then 2 years

[smoky yoke]

maybe could work, with adventure points obtaining in game and/or if you want using real money but idk
races would have just new abilities cause new classes maybe
but am i wrong or each classes had different stat already?

so not sure why races shouldnt have other stats

the other ones

[rigid prawn]

i think classes should be the main driving force behind stats and abilities, but minor racials like WOW might work if they arent to heavy

the only exception to that rule would be once again dwarves

[smoky yoke]

i like dwarves

[rigid prawn]

since you are changing the hit box dramatically it needs to be done right

i want dwarves too dwarf barbs would be a blast

[smoky yoke]

yea but people can also aim 🤔

honestly it would be easier to make headshots to dwarves as in most of people tend to hit the torso or even lower when they attack

[rigid prawn]

its easier to hit the head of a dwarf no doubt, but a dwarf fighter with a pavise could be op

[smoky yoke]

lolol

unbreakable dwarf

[rigid prawn]

and how do you handle tigh areas like the secret paths you have to crouch through

a dwarf wouldnt have to crouch so would move full speed through them

[smoky yoke]

yes another advantage of dwarves prob

[sonic pendant]

a dwarf with just two pavises lol the running clam strategy

[smoky yoke]

i guess races should have an advantage but also a disvantage

so its balanced

and dwarf seems to have either both of those

[smoky yoke]

not sure if he would have the strenght to use one though

[rigid prawn]

i think if its a full size humanoid its just a cosmetic difference really, but dwarves, gnomes and such are bitch to implement

[smoky yoke]

dwarves i imagine them with dual axes/greathammer only

[rigid prawn]

maybe a subclass for barb

causw dwarf ranger could be really annoying lol

or god forbid a dwarf wizard

[wary shell]

hasted dwarf barbarian

[smoky yoke]

dont know but i like variety as in diversity
universal hitboxes are probably good to follow i guess

[rigid prawn]

for balance its the easiest

[smoky yoke]

the pacifist dwarf bard that want just to loot

and sing

[rigid prawn]

i think mordhau did an alright job with its implementation

[smoky yoke]

in voice chat proximity lol

[fast lily]

Dwarfs would have a smaller hitbox.

On this topic, the skeleton skins didn't feel like they had a huge impact on the gameplay loop despite having a stat-shuffle on it tbh.

[rigid prawn]

yeah i ran around as a skeleton on every class and didnt really notice a difference

[smoky yoke]

i think humanoid would still headshot them with ease if not with very high accuracy because they are very exposed dwarves

[rigid prawn]

for minmax it might might matter but in games like this is the difference of getting oneshot by a little or oneshot by a lot lol

[smoky yoke]

maybe dwarves could just jump a bit higher so they can at least land headshots too to humanoids

[rigid prawn]

jump distance and height would have to be consistent for balance i think

[smoky yoke]

not sure if they would ever implement dwarfes

[rigid prawn]

but having the ability to sweep the legs out from someone or higher damage to limbs to compensate the fact your hitting legs with 70-80% of your swings could be a balance point

[smoky yoke]

the dwarves doing headshots in the humans feet

[rigid prawn]

getting a headshot as a dwarf could be an achievement lol

[fast lily]

I like the idea that humans = no stat changes.
Any other race = An upside + a downside that doesn't ever make it BIS for a specific class.

For example;
Humans - No bonus
Elves - Slight movespeed increase, slight HP decrease
Lizardfolk - Increase swim speed, decrease land speed.
Dwarves - Decreased hitbox size (both a positive and a negative), increased mining speed.

[smoky yoke]

maybe elves also slow hp regeneration from potions 🤔

or bandages

[rigid prawn]

yeah it would have to stay small changes or you would get things like that one suggestion to add nightvision to lizardman race lol

dark and NVGOGGLES

[smoky yoke]

i think the hitbox for dwarves it would be still balanced as in humans would very land tons of headshots to dwarves probably
but i think dwarves might also defend themselves properly with their kit or abilities

[rigid prawn]

its would have to be tested thoroughly, i can se the dwarves being either OP or useless if done incorrectly

[smoky yoke]

i guess its ok
because prob most of people just raise the brightness or gamma to cheese rip

they should make it more darker

[fast lily]

Kobold - 1/2 HP, 2x movement speed, constantly screaming

[rigid prawn]

goblins would be cool too but i think it could also be a good enemy type

[smoky yoke]

dwarves - ale generator drinking for some imaginary god

skal in the doubt

[smoky yoke]

goblins, snakes, dragons, grifons

hydra

cerberus? dog with 3 heads

[rigid prawn]

i think the way light is generated in D&D prevents this from being a thing, had some friends try to raise their gamma and brightness to cheese the game and said it did nothing

[smoky yoke]

hopefully they even improve more lol

but yea

dark and darker after all

[rigid prawn]

my new suggestion is perfect and no number of downvotes will change my mind

[smoky yoke]

not sure if ever aragorn used a bow 🤔

[rigid prawn]

cant post pics but there are pictures of him holding it lol

from the movies

plus he quite literally a Ranger sooooo

:P

in the books i think he just used it for hunting and stuff though

[wintry forge]

Please don't take people's advice to just delete the ones that get lots of down votes. Just because there are people on Discord that vote on suggestions and don't like them doesn't mean they are all bad ideas and the devs won't like them either. This is one reason why this channel gets lots of arguments, because people on this channel criticize people who get lots of down votes, whether or not they are trolling.

[wintry forge]

There are actually plenty of suggestions that don't turn green because of a Discord glitch where the stats don't get calculated, and there might be down voted suggestions that the devs will like despite them being down voted.

[mint ravine]

Thus the difficulty and challenge of improvement.

Which I enjoy.
We'll think of something in the middle.

I like the idea of the additional server with the highest upvotes or most agreed upon ect

[rose sandal]

🥲 sorry didn’t mean the dog emote.

[white cliff]

Yeah but they can just be suggested again if that happens.

[wintry forge]

@mint ravine I don't see how having two servers is better than one. In q-and-a I asked Graysun if the devs read all suggestions, and he said they do, and he writes down his favorites. Maybe the slow mode could be extended to 2 hours. If people think of more than one suggestion in less time than that they can write it down so they don't forget about it.

#q-and-a message

[strange sable]

The point of having another channel is to highlight the good suggestions.

[wintry forge]

I understand your point of view, but those aren't the "good" suggestions, they're just the most popular ones, and the devs read all suggestions, so why have two channels for them to look through?

[strange sable]

If they have less time they can go through the top voted ones

[strange sable]

And I would argue that the more popular suggestions are the good ones, or they are atleast better than the downvoted ones

[wintry forge]

The devs would disagree.

[strange sable]

Do you not think that a idea that a lot of people think is good is probably not better than a idea that a lot of people think is bad?

[ebon delta]

If devs read all suggestions then they don't need to look at them on another server at all. Different server with most popular suggestion needed not only for devs, but also for people who suggest things, so those people can look through most popular ones and don't suggest the same things again and again every day or two

[ebon delta]

It is starting to feel annoying to see another suggestion to add necromancer class

[somber wind]

Damn the first suggestion I've had that got massively down voted :\

lol

[strange sable]

Seems like a weird triple portal lmao

[wintry forge]

I agree, but the devs can quickly skip suggestions they've already read. I don't think it's possible to prevent repeat posts. There are too many to look through to see of something has already been suggested.

[ebon delta]

Devs already answered about necromancer in their q&a.

Q: What about druids, monks, or a necromancer?
A: We want to have them. We want druids to be able to turn into animals. If we add monks, we will have to think about how we punch and kick in the FPP view. As for Necromancer, I don’t know if that’s what the name will be, but there must be something like that. It’s fun.
Recap of q&a can be found in dev-qna channel, but no one bothers to look there

[wintry forge]

I was referring to seeing repeat posts, not specifically necromancer.

[ebon delta]

I wasn't answering to your message. Just putting it out there because i really tired to see those necromancer suggestions

[lusty wren]

If they didnt care about that why put the thumbs up and thumbs down in?

[ebon delta]

You can't completely prevent repeats, but if some people (at least some of them) see a suggestion similar to theirs in popular ones, the chances that they won't post another one are pretty decent i would say

[ebon delta]

Also if someone suggest an exact thing that was already suggested and ended up as "popular" it will be reasonable to remove new one instead of letting it clog the channel

[wintry forge]

They'd like to know what this community thinks, but that doesn't mean they won't use any down voted suggestions.

[ebon delta]

English is so hard for me today for some reason

[strange sable]

Thoughts on these ideas to improve the suggestion channel?:

• To keep everything organized suggestions with a rating of 15 or more should be archived in a different channel

• Furthermore Suggestions with -30 or less should be deleted to remove clutter

• Suggestions should be put on an increased cooldown timer to prevent spam. The current cooldown timer is 5 minutes and doesn't prevent spam.

• To deal with trolls, there should be a new troll 🧌 reaction. If a suggestion gets voted over a certain threshold (such as 10) with the troll reaction it can be deleted and the suggester can be temporarily muted from suggesting and reacting to suggestions for a set time (such as 48 hours).

• Wardens should not be the only people who decide which are trolls and which are not (even though I am happy mods such as Teddybear have been helping) because it can be hard to tell who is trolling unless you are actively looking through suggestions and the suggestion-discussion channels. For example the suggestion "put a soap bar in the game that removes some bad buffs from u to encourage players in taking showers too" is easy to see as a joke or a troll, but the suggestion "maybe add some elemnts which are able to be only unlockeable with money so it helps the dev and admins a bit out to flow more money into the project and improve it further maybe make a new class which is slightly better than others so ppl have the incentive to unlock it with money i think that would imrpove the game a lot and gave some better cash flow for the whole project" is difficult to see is a troll unless you know that suggester has actively been suggesting ideas that the community dislikes in order to make people upset.

[ebon delta]

I am against removing suggestions based on their rating. I also think that idea with troll emote will be turned around and trolls will end up using it to remove any or all suggestions that trolls don't like

[strange sable]

I don't think there are enough trolls to do that

[ebon delta]

I disagree with that assumption. Imo you underestimating them by a lot

[verbal marsh]

I think they just need a section for suggestions that have 20 positive to move to.

leave the negatives how they are.

[visual goblet]

who cares about the suggestions, they read em as they come

soon we will all be playing 😄

[opal sparrow]

There comes a point in the development when devs will be tired of reading unnecessary suggestions

[soft relic]

On the one hand, I don't think most of the absolutely terrible suggestions are trolls, so they can't really be removed as such. I think people really are that out of touch with the game that they don't know what a reasonable, decent suggestion is.

On the other hand, I wish they'd take the hint that what they're suggesting is horrible, and re-evaluate their understanding of the game and the direction the game is going before making subsequent suggestions. Just because something would be cool or another game has a feature does not mean it fits this game's style or balance.

[winged venture]

yeah like 99% of the suggestions got a down from me

[wintry forge]

They think it's worth their time for the few suggestions they read that they do like.

[opal sparrow]

Yes but the devs need to go through everything first and you do know how many suggestions are posted per day right?

[wintry forge]

Just because some people think a suggestion doesn't fit this game doesn't mean that it doesn't. The devs can decide if a suggestion fits this game. Also, "terrible" suggestions might not be. That's an opinion.

[opal sparrow]

Imagine going through 100 suggestions and see "make helicopter"

[wintry forge]

Yeah, Graysun said it just takes time to read them all, but they do read them all. If the devs want to read less suggestions, they can just increase the slow mode time.

[wintry forge]

I agree it would be better if people didn't use the suggestions to make jokes, but I think the mods can handle it.

[soft relic]

The devs do decide that, yes. However there are some things which would blatantly break the game, and those are what I am calling terrible suggestions. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, some opinions on what would be cool (and some of them are cool) would be utterly game breaking. That is what makes them terrible suggestions.

For example, while I do not agree with something like "give rogues an ability to turn out the lights," that is not a terrible suggestion. That's someone's opinion, yes. It's not game breaking. I just don't agree with it because I fail to see its usefulness, or how it adds to the game. But it should stay there and the devs should read it, because hey! Maybe they have some reason for wanting it.

However, something like "add a cleric mind control spell," while it sounds cool, would be utterly game breaking, frustrating for whoever it is used on, and generally only fun for the cleric abusing it, because there are a thousand different ways to get someone killed if that even lasted a short amount of time. It is clear that something like this does not fit into the game, and never could. The only type of person who would suggest such a thing has absolutely no understanding of the game's balance. That is what makes it a terrible suggestion.

I guess what I'm saying is, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But just because someone has an opinion does not make their opinion right or good. And while ultimately the developers get to judge what is and isn't a useful suggestion to them, sometimes a suggestion is so mind-numbingly bad, it doesn't take a developer to know it.

[tender magnet]

Also btw posts with a karma of +15 or so have a green bar on the left side, makes it easy to scroll through and read good posts

[wintry forge]

Yeah, but sometimes the stats don't get calculated so the bar stays blue. Someone suggested that you can just repost it, but then you're just cluttering up the suggestions more and hoping that people will vote the same way they did before.

[tender magnet]

I've had it update as I upvote it myself, I still look at the posts karma before reading any of it anyway soooo

[junior hawk]

just wondering, when a suggestions turns out green, does that mean that it has been read by the devs or that just the suggestions is overly positive?

[opaque slate]

pos

[plucky gyro]

15 positive points i think

[lilac lily]

@ most recent suggestion..... why would you want to make a unique class (ranger) MORE like the rogue/fighter, makes absoutely zero sense? The whole point in the classes is so they have different playstyles lmao

[west cloak]

Right? The suggestion is-- take away rangers range, it's beartraps, and their campfire... what do they get? A rapier :3

[hushed plover]

Desolent#5513 on his way to make a shitty p2w suggestion, like it and get ratio'd shortly after 🧑🏻‍🦯

[west cloak]

*cough I wouldn't mind being able to rock a longsword on ranger though

[hushed plover]

who would mind using it ;p

[west cloak]

Just a really fun weapon ^

[hushed plover]

It is

[lucid root]

There's no 3 way blue portals?

[green dust]

there is a feeling that for the Desolent dude, you need to make the entrance to the DnD game paid - $ 10 for each launch of the game, like the most avid troll

[austere wraith]

Even bad suggestions have merit, because it gets people thinking. Maybe the suggestion itself doesn't line up with the game but it leads to a similar idea that turns out great

[grizzled halo]

His suggestions are so bad yet at the same time all revolve in the "make Ranger stronger and let me buy to win" area. That i cant figure out if he is trolling or just genuinely that out of touch with reality.

[hard meadow]

The flail is an interesting idea. I'd honestly love it if it was possible to hit your own character on a missed attack, especially if it has the ability to bypass shields

[mystic hatch]

You can ready bypass shields though? Just have to angle yourself right. It is a nice idea but they'd have to fix the former first.

[fallow owl]

what if instead of the red zone border zone you make it to a crushing stone wall, that, the players are forced not to not end up in a dead end zone of trapped in the stone wall. i know that many will be smashed at this wall. cause they are trapped.. ^^´ I think most players dont have enough anxiety of the red Borderzone. Or it in a Hardcore Modus. 😄

[real trellis]

I think if people post troll suggestions they should lose perms to post suggestions AND to vote on them. Because if you just pull the posting perms they're going to spam down votes (or upvoting bad suggestions) as an alternate method of trolling

[vivid rover]

yes i agree, everyone posting suggestions i dont like or voting differently should be banned 👍 stalin would be proud

[real trellis]

That post wasn't about you but it seems like you took it personal

For the record I didn't think your suggestion was a troll I just didn't care for it

And I'm not accusing you of trollvoting either

🤷‍♂️

[shadow scaffold]

seems like you want to overwork already overworked employee's please stop and react like a grown up when another adult has a different opinion than yours

[real trellis]

It'd be cool if people would stop assuming malice

My post here has nothing to do with any suggestion of mine being downvoted

I just see a lot of troll suggestions and it occurred to me that if something is done about it as was discussed the other day, the trolls will probably move on to voting with bad intent

[white cliff]

Whoever it is they’re blocked for me because they where trolling.

I wouldn’t engage with whoever you’re talking to.

Just a heads up.

[real trellis]

I don't know what to say to you to convince you that I'm genuinely just interested in the wellbeing of the community and not crying about my suggestions being unpopular

My first suggestion was not well thought out and I own that

[strange sable]

I agree

[mossy ruin]

I think we should all relax and just stop devolving chat everyday into a discussion about how the discussion channels are set up. Although on the other hand I am very entertained.

[strange sable]

Its darker

[white cliff]

I don’t really care who it is.

[real trellis]

Yeah fair point. This community is quite reactionary sometimes.

I've seen less flaming in 4chan discords

[white cliff]

If you need a guide.

#d-and-d-suggestions message

Block anybody who upvoted this.

Not because of the suggestion just because the trolls vote together.

[foggy shadow]

if we make a good suggestion i think we should get access to the game rn

[white cliff]

Or give them full time to develop it.

[real trellis]

Good idea...

[white cliff]

Sever costs hemorrhage money.

[foggy shadow]

Nah, also if we make a good suggestion we should get 200 free gold immediately at the start of the next playtest

[white cliff]

Why…

[foggy shadow]

also definitely 1% of Ironmace stock

per good suggestion

[real trellis]

Lol

[white cliff]

Well feel free to make that a suggestion so we can discuss it here.

[strange sable]

lmao

[foggy shadow]

some people just cant take a joke

[white cliff]

Because it makes you mad.

And it’s hilarious

Good thing you’ve already been warned about calling people names though. Makes this whole process easier.

[foggy shadow]

just dont talk to him koko

[strange sable]

#d-and-d-suggestions message. Would be funny if this got upvoted and devs see it lol

[foggy shadow]

only did it because ppl take themselves way to seriously here, if it does though....

[white cliff]

If by taking it seriously you mean discussing the suggestions instead of trolling, saying racist things, and causing problems, then sure.

[loud matrix]

Of course they do. I especially love the idea that people here can be arbiters of what goes against the dev's vision and what does not.
Obvious departures aside, we can't.

[gentle blade]

@odd reef Please be civil after your timeout expires.

[white cliff]

👋

[white cliff]

We can’t, but the whole point of the channel is to discuss the suggestions.

[foggy shadow]

literally theres 10 year olds here who make suggestions straight out of world of warcraft

[loud matrix]

I'm not saying anything against that, yet that is the attitude I've seen while lurking this channel.

[foggy shadow]

the devs already have their ideas, and if theyre going to look at our suggestions, its going to be when they have nothing better to do on a friday night, maybe joking with friends

and a small tiny minute fraction will actually stick, and theyll say its a good idea

[white cliff]

Some of them however go directly against what the devs have stated though.

For example iron mace was founded by former AAA developers set to be the antithesis against Korean work culture, and dark and darker to be a counter against what normally exists, and the predatory practices those company use like pay to win etc.

So, when suggestions are make buyable classes, permanent gear with money, purchasable everything. I’m not sure how this would be seen as anything other than a troll.

Which comes from one person, upvoted by other people who troll instead of discussing the suggestion.

@loud matrix

[foggy shadow]

Im not disagreeing with that

But you can either get angry at them or take it as a joke

[loud matrix]

Obvious departures aside
I'm not disagreeing either.

[foggy shadow]

these people are probably kids anyways

[white cliff]

I feel like the malaise you’ve been seeing from lurking is solely from those people, especially if you where talking about yesterday.

I’m not angry, I have them blocked. But the only way they’re going to stop de railing conversation by trolling is with a timeout or a ban.

[foggy shadow]

you're either just feeding trolls or getting upset at kids who cant understand the company logic

[loud matrix]

Oh no, I'm not talking about those people you mentioned who recently started making these suggestions.
I'm talking about the people who I've seen discussing in here since the playtest when I talk about the attitude.

[white cliff]

I mean, people believe bad suggestions are an attack on the games vision. Certain suggestions would destroy the game and people feel just as a responsible for telling iron mace what they don’t want, just as they would for what they want.

I believe that’s where the attitude comes from.

[foggy shadow]

thats totally true, but the devs already know that and can make that realization

they can just like you or me realize its a troll or a 10 year old WoW player

[loud matrix]

I'm sort of imagining this how it goes down with Pokemon and their fan suggestions.

[foggy shadow]

lol true, especially with new pokemons

[loud matrix]

99% of those are similar shit, but actually sent in through email or letters.
So if you want to keep a healthy mind as a game dev, you cannot possibly take such suggestions as seriously as people here do.

[foggy shadow]

yup, at the very best, they could just make another channel that only contains the good suggestions, to save dev time

[loud matrix]

Could ask some people to pre-filter through those suggestions kek.
Though that would likely go badly.

[foggy shadow]

Platinum token is a lazy fix to storage issues, theres way deeper approaches possible

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
I agree with having visual item links

[foggy shadow]

they'd need to at least pay them to do it lol

[lucid root]

Little hard scanning walls of text, icons as an addition to the wall of text would help

[white cliff]

Really you can already buy the unique currency for 30, and create stacks of 300 gold.

Also the limited storage is part of the game design.

Not really something I think needs to be tackled.

[loud matrix]

Others have also suggested to have filter options so you'd only see stuff you can equip and so forth. So there's several possible approaches to make the trade menu more legible.
Icons would, especially if the chat moves rapidly, quickly scroll the menu too.

[white cliff]

I mean, the suggestion is just to make an auction house really.

[foggy shadow]

yeah, or just store gold in the form of valuable items like legendary jewelry or even ruby bars

desolent is literally a 10 year child

[white cliff]

The thing about stagnant trade systems is prices don’t really fluctuate.

That 400 gold horrible roll blue gear is going to be there in the chat till somebody buys it.

[foggy shadow]

his suggestions arent the best but would you bully a 10 year old child?

[lucid root]

Once you're effectively able to filter out anything you don't want, that'll be good too

[white cliff]

Yeah it’s not a child.

All of them are related to spending money, and he’s had conversations where he’s stated he’s spent 10k on mobile games.

He just doesn’t realize the impacts of pay2win or whales.

[lucid root]

But yeah the highlighted suggestions would be good, because we end up talking about the most common suggestions anyway almost daily

[white cliff]

I don’t really think many suggestions at face value can be taken as trolling, but you combine that with provocative chat history.

[loud matrix]

What's a "stagnant" trade system for you and how does it differ from a "fluent" system (or however you'd choose to call it)?

[lucid root]

Provides a good bulletin to go back to when everyone is trolling at the moment

[foggy shadow]

totally agree, i think the admins could definitely make the suggestions channels better

[white cliff]

Right now you need to be in a chat to actively sell an item, regardless of if it’s trash green gear, or legendaries. It requires a time sink. Though yes it’s hard to read sometimes, and could use a sorting system. Creating an auction house does the same thing but instead of sorting through all types of gear I’m sorting through rarities of gear that never changed in price that I can’t barter for.

At least in a trade channel there’s room to barter or tell somebody their legendary interaction gear isn’t worth anything.

I think it’s harder to impact a market with a stagnant auction house.

[loud matrix]

So for you, stagnant means indirect trade?

[lucid root]

If only blizzard didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth with the words auction house

[white cliff]

Sure, because there’s no bartering.

I think it’s quicker for people to realize that I can’t spend X hours trying to sell this armor for 1000g, but I’m visually seeing that this guy can sell it for 800g.

So instead of spending X hours I can spend X less, and it helps dictate price a bit better.

[foggy shadow]

I think theres an issue with the auction house though, of lack of communication, kind of like the grand exchange in runescape

[white cliff]

Sure absolutely let me sort gear.

[foggy shadow]

I like Borg's suggestion where there would be icons that just direct you to talk to the player of the item, that way you still need to talk

[white cliff]

Honestly divide the channels by class.

[lucid root]

Yeah grand exchange killed some charm

[white cliff]

But don’t take away the time sink.

[foggy shadow]

Yeah, have filters for items, but when you go to buy the item, you're just sent into a message box with the other player

so you keep that element of communication still

and can barter etc

[loud matrix]

Okay, reasonable.
I can say from experience though that in both cases, price fixing is entirely possible. It is harder to do in a barter focused trade system (so direct trade), but not impossible. It depends almost entirely on the player base (both merchants and buyers) and their understanding of the game's economy.
The more people know what a piece of gear is worth, the faster trade becomes on both ends.

[foggy shadow]

Its like Path of Exile which has this method essentially, but with 3rd party websites

[loud matrix]

That being said, I much prefer bartering myself. Has a nice feel to it.

[foggy shadow]

The difference is it would be implemented in the game itself

[lucid root]

The third party trade site is coming

[foggy shadow]

dear lord

at least i havent heard of people buying in game money yet with real $$$

[lucid root]

Probably inevitable though

[foggy shadow]

yupp

[loud matrix]

Oh you can be sure that there will be 3rd party resources to give everyone a guideline to how much a piece of gear is worth in gold at some point.
And then most bartering will happen within that price range.

[foggy shadow]

We're talking about PoE, these third party sites are essentially the game's auction houses

but for sure though

[loud matrix]

To be fair, there were 2-3 simultaneous discussions about the topic of trade here.
All kinda related to each other but not.

[foggy shadow]

my b

[lucid root]

That seems oddly specific, certain game it's from?

You're one of those guys that's going to have a separate account with just the trade window on another monitor eh?

I can see myself using a mule for that

[foggy shadow]

i just go naked until the very last day of the playtest and binge

[lucid root]

It'd be nice to have it open while I'm playing if I want to reserve something

But should have to go through the extra effort of multi-accounts

Unless they come out with a trade helper thing like some mmos do

What happened to the trading helper app for osrs

I thought there was an official app

[foggy shadow]

I really like this latest suggestion, i love twisted fate from league and think he's a great fit in this game, thank you @steady cloud

[steady cloud]

Ok

[grizzled halo]

You seriously need to be banned from making suggestions.

[sacred hill]

tell me you play league without telling me you play league

@steady cloud you are built different

[steady cloud]

Thx 👍

[grizzled halo]

Why are you intentionally trolling the suggestions tho.

[sacred hill]

hes 11 y/o

thats his capacity

[grizzled halo]

Bit young for someone making references to WoW all the time.

bet he thinks he is hillarious lol.

[lucid root]

Talking about the good ol' days at the ripe age of 11

Top player in ultima/everquest/asherons call

Dark age of Camelot

[lusty wren]

you do get fighter stuff back with campfire

just takes alot

for secon wind

[lucid root]

Wish I could go back and be an og player in all those games 😭

[glacial bridge]

i didnt make it very far in Everquest when i was a kid. maybe 7 years old at the time

i played warcraft 1 with my mom a lot

first MMO I hit max level in was Shadowbane. then WoW and DDO

very first game was doing the health potions for my dad in diablo 1. then i had recurring nightmares for like 18 months 😂

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

😂😂

[foggy shadow]

patrician taste

[ionic mango]

chill out with the housing system and pet system and shit, sims is free and available, go do that

[lucid root]

Lol

Dedicated guild area is as far as I would go

[mystic swan]

pet system is the worst idea I've heard

[ionic mango]

costum lobby or training dummy area is a good idea

[glacial bridge]

ill never understand beyond just playing the video game. only reason i would every buy player housing in a game is if it had a mechanic function.

my terraria housing looks like a prison

[white cliff]

You haven’t been here long enough then.

[rose sandal]

@opaque slate

"make ranger bear trap hitbox bigger, sometimes when trapped you cant disarm it since you cant all the way down to look at it"

You know, You can always disarm a trap, it all falls under the fact of where the trap is , because sometimes the trap is behind you, so you have to look around on the ground to find it and disarm it

[mystic swan]

either that or you're delusional

[rose sandal]

Unless you mean you have ran into an issue where you CANT disarm one at all, then that would be an issue we can bring up in #989065208087576596 Because that would be a problem

[rose sandal]

Lets keep it modest here and not start with name callings

[white cliff]

Who said I wasn’t! 🤪

[rose sandal]

Lets not antagonize

[white cliff]

Just jokes, no Ill will here friend!

[rose sandal]

Gotcha ❤️

[mystic swan]

I just said it was a terrible idea.

Skins for monetization - yes, sure. Now pets?!

And then calling me out for pointing it out...

[rose sandal]

So you're telling me... You wouldn't want to have a pet follow you around at all in game, Whether that be in the main game, or just the tavern loading lobby?

[mystic swan]

Just saying, there are plenty of other games like sims where you can have pets follow you around.

[mystic swan]

Sure!

[lusty wren]

What is this BDO?

[mystic swan]

I wouldn't. Simpler makes ir better. Offer skin customizations, some monetized, some not, maybe a battle pass and you're set.

[lusty wren]

Especially pets with skills nasty

[mystic swan]

Game is already good enough as it is, why ruin it with pets

I think there's even a dog in the tavern already as it is. Just add the option to pet it if you feel like that's necessary.

[rose sandal]

I don't know how I would feel if they bring pets in, and the pets ACTUALLY help, whether it be a player buff, or tracking or attacking.
But If they were to add a pet to tavern loading lobby just so you can run around with it, play with it and all. I wouldn't mind at all, because I love petting Otto when I load in.

[mystic skiff]

I feel like pets would be hard to do, if your a rouge and you go invisible does the pet also go invis?

[mystic swan]

Makes the game too complicated.

[lusty wren]

Just play with otto?

[mystic swan]

You want a game that you can just pick up and don't feel immediately off by having to learn XYZ mechanic, meta, functionality

[mystic skiff]

I like petting otto with the blade of my sword

[lusty wren]

I think maybe adding more interactivity to otto would be cool. But don't see the point in a pet that is relegated to the tavern. Like what's the point?

[rose sandal]

I'm a cat guy though, so sometimes its too much otto for me

[lusty wren]

I get that

[mystic swan]

Pets with buffs is just insulting

Feels insulting at least

[lusty wren]

While I think pets are a waste of time. If they dont have buffs id get over it

I dont want them looting for people either

that shit is part of the game

[glacial bridge]

yeah i hate pets

[lusty wren]

Catching people looting etc

[rose sandal]

I agree, it could make it complicated. but if they have the skill power to add it, just so people can show off there pets.
I wouldn't see why they wouldn't do it just for shits and giggles.

[mystic skiff]

I think pets if they were cosmetic would just hinder the players stealth abilities

[lusty wren]

I feel it takes away from the grim dark atmosphere the devs are going for

Everyone running around with a fluffy cat

in this dark dank atmosphere just doesnt seem to fit

[glacial bridge]

pets would kill the vibe. we are supposed to be in an extremely tense and dangerous place

[rose sandal]

But thats why I mentioned, maybe just have it in the tavern lobby only

[lusty wren]

But then what value does it really have?

[sacred hill]

let me kill the pets

[jagged thunder]

pleasing to the eye?

[rose sandal]

Same value a player would get from jumping on top of the chandelier up the stairs, or petting otto

[lusty wren]

Ya, just seems like a odd thing to put dev time into

[rose sandal]

ATM Yeah i agree

[lusty wren]

I guess in the future and only in the tavern and id just ignore it so no big deal.

[jagged thunder]

i want a drgonfly pet that spts green stuff to say hello

[rose sandal]

But say, in a year, I'd think that to be more reasonable

[mystic skiff]

I mean sometimes your only in the tavern for like 10 seconds maybe less.....

[lusty wren]

Ya, if its just added fluff after the game is done its whatever to me.

[mystic skiff]

I dont think its worth dev time unless they are really bored

[rose sandal]

Then if youre in my lobby, you'll see an armorless archer, running to the bar for otto.... just to pet him atleast once

[mystic skiff]

if I could kill otto I would

[lusty wren]

Id like to see personal taverns, that you invite your friends to before a game and its the pre game lobby. You walk around and shop etc. In this scenario I could see a cool pet to show off int his location

[jagged thunder]

mhw had pets that you placed into your players home that other players could enter and see how your living in game

[lusty wren]

Could decorate it etc. would be like housing almost

[sacred hill]

instanced rooms/house

[lusty wren]

Ya, i like the tavern setting though. Could essentially be player housing tho

Minus the extra storage 😉

[glacial bridge]

a path of exile style hideout would be the extent i would like to see pets. the game is called Dark and Darker, I'de prefer anything beyond chilling at town to embody that dark tone

pets are a shortcut to feeling like any other generic pvp game imo

[lusty wren]

Ya, it is pretty over used

[jagged thunder]

better gameplay mechanics over in game eye candy?

[glacial bridge]

welcome to <video game> heres your battle pass, your daily login, your pet window, buy it treats to get a 10% boost to experience gain for 2 hours

[crimson estuary]

So has anyone suggested a bard to come to dark and darker? Also I want proximity chat lol

[glacial bridge]

Bard should be the next class they release

thers been lots of talks about both Bard and Proximity

hopefully they dont disappoint

[crimson estuary]

I would love that so much. I wanna sing quirky one liners to my enemies

[jagged thunder]

proximity is necessary so is an in game text chat/party finder

the only way to communicate in game is thru discord where people get timed out when some raging kid @s them

[lusty wren]

Id say VOIP is mandatory not 100% proximity

[jagged thunder]

in game party chat100% voip would be fun, i would have it turned off im not tryin to hear screaming and toxic bs in the mic tbh

[lusty wren]

Ya I feel having a in game team chat for the pugs is much more valuable than proximity chat. Though I am not against proximity chat

[jagged thunder]

press to party chat press to proximity chat

party finder and friends list in game

[frail quest]

a spellbook requires two hands to turn pages but you should be able to cast thru your mace

[foggy shadow]

Maybe if proximity voip isnt added they can just add proximity chat

And then the ppl against voip and for it can both be satisfied

[ionic mango]

Desolent is the demon of the suggestion channel

massive whale, all the suggestions about spending money to get stuff

The dark and darker anti christ

[lucid root]

Taunt animations? Knock my staff against the ground to make some noise

[mystic swan]

attack the floor brother

[lucid root]

Good point

Barb perk, can pick up barrels and throw them at you

[mossy ruin]

DONKEY KONG ROLEPLAY

OOOHK OOOHK

[lucid root]

This guy gets it

[mossy ruin]

Im a little confused why this is downvoted #d-and-d-suggestions message

I was looking at it, its not a bad idea to have a larger currency, no?

I mean theres different solutions to the currency issue, but like it isn't a bad one itself

[sonic pendant]

people don't seem to like specifics; calling it platinum in a DnD / middle ages sort of game might be disliked, as might setting a stack value of 25, or setting the value at 50g. if it just said "a currency above gold for more efficient trading" it might have done better. but also, we don't really need a higher tier of currency, we just need larger gold pouches, so there's a few reasons it might have been shot down.

it seems like the more general your suggestion, the better it performs, in any case.

there's just several points of data in that suggestion that could cause disagreement.

you want to try to have one concept per post, or you risk someone liking part of it but downvoting due to the specificity of another part.

[mossy ruin]

Yeah, thats fair, but imo the post is generalized enough that obviously the values or name could be adjusted if its IN THE GAME, but the core concept there is pretty blatant, probably an ego thing

[lucid root]

On the flipside putting 3 suggestions in one suggestion is just asking to get downvoted

[mossy ruin]

But thats good a way to dissect and answer my confusion. But I just think the specifics there are nothing to fret about.

[vestal thorn]

I thought one of the interview VoDs already stated they'll be adding "bags" or bigger gold bags no?

[mossy ruin]

I heard that too yeah

[sonic pendant]

i agree with you, but a lot of people can't/won't read between the lines, so to speak. half those downvotes could just because they didn't like the name "platinum", you know?

[mossy ruin]

yeah fair enough, we on the same page then

[sonic pendant]

yea but that was during 2nd playtest, and we didn't get it for third, so the suggestions keep coming. there's probably a couple dozen versions of that suggestion at this point

[vestal thorn]

That's true but they also only put in things in the playtest they want to test. I expect it's pretty easy to know people would want more inventory space without testing it and they always have to cut things in playtests due to limitations on Dev time. /shrug i.e. VoiP

[sonic pendant]

for sure

[mossy ruin]

Someone need to compile the genuinely bad suggestions and make a whole youtube channel about reacting to them.

[sonic pendant]

you'd just get reported to the mods by the people that made those suggestions. not worth the frustration. but it would be funny

[vestal thorn]

The only suggestion I wanted to make was for endgame random card lobby, but I don't see the point as my suggestion would rely heavily on this game having enough pop to split the lobby into 2 or 3 so I won't bother until release lol.

[sonic pendant]

curious what you mean by random card lobby

[vestal thorn]

There are a few games where you have specific class skills. In the randomizer lobby everyone starts with base stats of a fighter at lv 0. You gain 10x or more exp per mob/player kill, every level you get to pick from 3 random skills from the entire pool of skills that exist in the game, Every other level you get a perk, this goes on until you have 4 perks 2 skills (something else could be added beyond this point, maybe stats). Every new game you reset back to lv 0.

This mode would be completely for fun at the end game, and some skills would be 1) broken 2) really OP. It's fun though.

[mossy ruin]

Oh shit, id play that

[sonic pendant]

that does sound like a really fun pre-wipe event sort of thing, for sure

[mossy ruin]

If you can vaguely express that in a 'general' manner with only the core concept bleeding through and have an 'if' somewhere about playerbase splitting, id upvote

[vestal thorn]

Thanks, it's and old idea from a pretty popular map on the old version of Dota (back when it was a WC3 custom map). It also exists as a popular private wow server mod, where you create your own hero type of thing. It's one of those concepts where the more diverse classes and skills there are in the game the more an idea like this shines.

I'll wait till this game is more fleshed out and see what the user base is. I'd still want fast normal lobbys over anything like this.

[mossy ruin]

It would be refreshing though, do we keep loot?

if so, it would be good for late wipe players

[vestal thorn]

You'd have to wipe it between lobbys or have chars restricted to only that format probably, but you can do really fun stuff like make mobs really strong and drops epic +

[mossy ruin]

fair enough

[opaque slate]

hmm its just that i saw a few vids that ppl couldnt do it and had to get their friend to do it, think it also happened to me once and i died to the bleed dmg of the trap

[mossy ruin]

Either way, its a cool alternative gamemode, maybe they will do that as events, I think timed events where we can do silly gamemodes would be cool.

[sonic pendant]

yea the queue splitting is always going to be the main concern for new game modes; even this last test, while my normal queues were nearly always the instant 5 sec ones; when i played high roller most queues were at least 30s to a minute waiting for lobby to fill, sometimes even starting with only 13/16 or w/e and waiting the whole 2.5 minutes to enter.

[mossy ruin]

Or an alternative gamemode with a separate leaderboard

[sonic pendant]

and that was only two queues

[mossy ruin]

well yeah, but I played tarkov for like 500 hours and half of that was suffering 6+ min wait times

so blessed be with 1minute fill up.

[white cliff]

Yeah but the game can turn into tarcov if they divide the queues into 24ths.

[mossy ruin]

PUBG also long queues sometimes, also also, league of legends ranked actual drafting takes soooo long if people dont lock in.

[rough elm]

Me new in tarkov , dying when i hear gunshot near my face but it's actually like 300m away lol , oh ye and aimbot scavs (They did nerf it tho)

[sonic pendant]

ahahha yea i can't even play tarkov anymore, DaD spoiled me. i've done two raids on tark since wipe and they cost me like 25 mins of queue time. nnnnnnnope

[mossy ruin]

yeah same

[sonic pendant]

pubg is a game that split queues to have multiple modes, solos, duos, trios... all that raises queue times for everyone. multiple queues and MMR are the two biggest causes of high queue times

[sonic pendant]

yea the new audio is really quite bad.

[sonic pendant]

#d-and-d-suggestions message this is a great example of "too much specificity" in a suggestion; almost everyone wants triple blues back, but 4 or 5 is a LOT.

[mossy ruin]

yeah I saw that too

I downvoted because of the latter half, you are very right there

[glacial bridge]

i like the 1 man portals

puts you in a situation where you have to talk strategy with your teammates

[mossy ruin]

I agree with both

I think having a single 3 man one or something somewhere can give scenarios where a 3man can hide near a 3man portal and gank a group that finds it after

[smoky yoke]

a tri portal always appear at the final circle

[verbal marsh]

I tote think final circle should always spawn a triple portal whether red or blue randomly.

[mossy ruin]

really? ive never seen a blue triportal

[sonic pendant]

i agree that i had some good tense moments where myself or a tm had to decide to potentially sacrifice themselves to go searching for an extract in the swarm, but i would like at least one triple in the final circle for the last team standing

[sonic pendant]

no they were removed completely from the last playtest; only triple reds now. no blues

[glacial bridge]

yeah it actually added fun into an uncomfortable situation. my teammate would extract and be invested to see whether i survived alone

[sonic pendant]

yea same

[mossy ruin]

My friends and I just dropped our loot to the guy who was leaving

and then we searched for another way out

[brave schooner]

when i did duo my teammate would usually just give me his best loot and rings and such, then id leave and get to watch him try to clutch

its pretty fun

[verbal marsh]

I often just tell teamates to exit and solo next lv

[sonic pendant]

that part i didn't care for. just didn't feel necessary, after surviving the whole raid, being out of heals and unable to go deeper, to have to let someone die to save their gear. that's why i'd like one triple at the final circle, maybe even like the last 20-30 seconds of raid. if there's no one left to fight, you should all be able to leave.

[brave schooner]

i think the biggest thing id like to be added is just more variety with the maps

[rough elm]

I mean they could put triple portals again in mid , but each in ur group maybe would need a special item which would be expensive to get (Not sure about how would u get would u buy find it idk) ? , and only if all 3 have that item then they can activate triple portal and then escape.

[sonic pendant]

sure we all did that at some point, but it's not always possible; out of heals and at 20% HP, you're not getting out of b3 without sheer luck.

[faint dirge]

that sounds so bad

[mossy ruin]

well im hoping for procedural at some point or more diversity as well, or like map variants so things change slightly enough. But for now it was great for alpha

[brave schooner]

no point in overcomplicating things with a bunch of stuff locked behind item gates itll just get confusing for new players

[verbal marsh]

I would self exit before my teamates if I thought that, and force them to solo, but most cases I just went down myself.

[brave schooner]

i think a lot of the appeal of the game is also it's simplicity

[mossy ruin]

There is some to have there yeah, but its also the first decent attempt at a fantasy style dungeon delve that actually feels like we are looting a dungeon

[lusty wren]

Devs said they suck at procedural and the R&D to be able to do it was not feasible

[brave schooner]

just more maps, dont think procedural would be goo

d

[mossy ruin]

Yeah, it can be something they make waaay later tbh, procedural shouldn't be an issue, they can always come back to trying it.

[glacial bridge]

i envisioned just using the same pre-build dungeon rooms, and procedural just being the connecting hallways between them.

so the layout of the dungeon changes, even if the rooms are recognizable

[verbal marsh]

Hopefully they just go city of heroes route with quest creation : P

[smoky yoke]

putting enemies randomized but still in fixed poll spawns would give more variety already

[white cliff]

What you’re referring to is modular.

[glacial bridge]

yeah thats what i would prefer. mix in varied monster spawns like he said with a modular randomizer and it would go a long way imo

[verbal marsh]

Custom dungeon challanges that individuals with high dungeon mastery points can create and when players lose lewt in the dungeon it has greater chance of putting out quality gear.

how does that sound

[mossy ruin]

Mario maker?

[verbal marsh]

basically, thats what city of heroes did : P

aside from fact coh wasnt a lewt based game.

or pvp : P

[lusty wren]

I think you either go full blown procedural or you go the map knowledge route

[mossy ruin]

That stuff is always interesting, and players that like the genre/idea but dont enjoy playing may end up sticking around longer messing around with that kind of stuff. But it would be split from our stashes for sure

[lusty wren]

and seeing how they suck at it ya id rather the map knowledge route

But maybe i the future

future expansion or some shit

with randomly generated maps

[smoky yoke]

everyone will expect to find the same mobs in the same locations
putting them randomized at least is nice cause it gives more unpredictability and games will be always different
just the enemies, not the maps

[brave schooner]

id rather have really high quality cuustom made dungeons than some shitty procedural ones

[mossy ruin]

I think the main draw for creating the most unpredictability... is moving loot. Idgaf what enemy spawns in any room if i can loot and close a door thats what ima do.

If loot had a better variance, I wouldnt rush rooms

But that creates contested areas so its a good thing

But for the sense of immersion, wandering around slightly aimlessly actually searching for loot may be better than having contention, creates more happenstance combat than expecting someone around the corner camping the loot rooms route to center.

Pathing is very predictable, especially because we all have a map.

[verbal marsh]

Seemed like most people either rushed middle or hung on the fringes looting

[sonic pendant]

a random, procedural map would make larger goals difficult/improbable, though. no knowing if you're on the map with the golden key room, or where it is; getting to bosses, etc

[verbal marsh]

or rushed every starting area.

[mossy ruin]

well there can be a constant of a 'center'

a procedural system can be anchored to a constant section. A lot of procedural often has modules like that, or can appear procedural but be highly modular. Warframe was all modules iirc.

[verbal marsh]

would imagine if they wanted to fix the starting issues a minority of players are having the best way would to have a 2 minute shift after the game starts and allow players to seal themselves in the starting room and wait for it.

that way if you get rushed you can just opt out like a turd, and the player gets a fleeing message.

to everyone who remains

[mossy ruin]

I kinda get what you typed maybe? But I have an offshoot of that. What if the map ROTATED like a puzzle every couple minutes, A new map thats round instead of square, whoa

With a warning ofc, so you dont get squished

[agile condor]

Or they just see a locked door and wait for you and now you're trying to just rush through everything cause you're already outside of the circle lol

[verbal marsh]

nah would only work during the first minute, and you'd get a cowards penalty.

[agile condor]

?

[mossy ruin]

That doesn't really fix his point

In the new scenario they get this 'penalty' and assumably kicked from game. But prior to that moment the door is still closed, therefore occupied.

Until it opens, it gets camped

[verbal marsh]

well then which would you prefer : P

[mossy ruin]

Players that load poorly, load poorly.

[agile condor]

Not waste development on this and work on something, nearly anything, else

[mossy ruin]

If the game need to optimize, then sure, if some people are on windows 97, thats on them

[agile condor]

These are the kids of suggestions I wish Suspense would post here first

[lucid root]

Pretty much everyone should have an ssd by now

[verbal marsh]

Oh the door would have to be locked, the starting room is tech your room.

but to opt out you'd have to lock your door, so being afk wouldn't effect that.

[mossy ruin]

i mean, i played HDD, and i loaded in before character could move

[lucid root]

o_O

[mossy ruin]

ill probably play on SSD in next playtest though

[agile condor]

Yeah I don't think anyone is getting to another team's spawn before they load in lol

[mossy ruin]

Small indie game, didnt care what drive it was on, didnt expect to play it much

[glacial bridge]

i have an SSD only for my operating system, i have a second one that SHOULD be used for games but i have wayyy too many things installed so most is on HDD.

eventually i will clean it up but im lazy

[agile condor]

EVEN SO, this is still not the way to address this lol

I only have m.2 drives lol

[next wing]

yes great suggestion just make wizard invis totally dog on rogues version, the stealth class

[lucid root]

I remember my first ssd in like 2011 when most people still were on hdd

Loading in before everyone, so nice

[agile condor]

Seriously @wintry forge post this crap in here first lol

[next wing]

watch out he might call the admins on you

[wintry forge]

Be nice.

Why don't you like the suggestion?

[mossy ruin]

I mean it already does, and should continue to do so. Wizards have magic, rogues dont. But the way it is atm is fine, its a video game not need to be realistic. Although wizard invis should probably be adjusted in some fashion.

[verbal marsh]

hide works better then invis already, and I think they're likely to add see invis spell as well.

[jagged thunder]

imagine being so hurt you @ a warden

[glacial bridge]

if you try to use logic Wizards should just be gods of everything because they are magical and others arent.

rogues being a stealth class is definitely more relevant than the wizard having superhuman abilities

[lucid root]

Main character syndrome kicking in for wizard

[glacial bridge]

I'm about to be Jon Irenicus strolling the hallways. 6'4" Jacked to the gills. snap my finger and you explode

[verbal marsh]

Main thing I want them to change about 'Hide' skill is have the cooldown begin on skill usage rather then upon exiting stealth.

[cosmic cave]

Yeah and then rogue gets 2 weAkpoint attacks each with 50% weapon modifier

[verbal marsh]

Should be able to hide, wait 40 seconds, cooldown in 10 seconds, and re-hide.

[agile condor]

agreed

[jagged thunder]

barb should be able to grab players like kratos and pull them in half

[lucid root]

Does hide work anywhere? Even direct light?

[cosmic cave]

Because you guys really want to experience rogues 2 tapping people without even being seen lmaooo

[wintry forge]

You guys don't seem to understand that anything can be changed at this point, so it's pointless to discuss class balancing.

[verbal marsh]

I bet players were hiding too long so they had to nerf it tho : P

[mossy ruin]

no need to think of it that way, wizards invis is just too fast of a cast, allows for too much movement and allows for stacking with haste, adjusting would just bring it down. Them having invis doesnt open the door to being the best at everything

[lucid root]

Mostly pointless, we're just having fun lol

[jagged thunder]

95% of suggestions are buffs to main classes or nerfs to classes ppl dont like

[agile condor]

Agreed, please stop making suggestions

[glacial bridge]

of all people lecturing about what should and should not be discussed

[glacial bridge]

i was just referencing its bad logic that wizards have magic so they should be superior at invisibility. you could easily say they are magical so they should have an enchanted battleaxe that weighs nothing so they can 1 shot barbarians. "magic" in nature is a nonsense reason to justify him being better

[wintry forge]

You guys are criticizing the suggestion because of...balancing. That's why it doesn't make sense to be discussing it at this point.

[verbal marsh]

New suggestion; Add defication, players who spend too long in the dark eventually need to use a corner and the sounds they make can be heard 2 rooms away.

[jagged thunder]

95% of people criticize suggestions and @ a warden after they cuss you out

[wintry forge]

Just drop the topic.

[verbal marsh]

I can hear you guys 2 rooms away.

[agile condor]

Seriously, post your idea in here, see what people think. It's not hard

[lucid root]

I have an interesting idea, probably stupid . Secret stashes you can find and place things in inside the dungeons, like a loose brick that highlights. It's always a different spot each game so you won't always find it. Call it a "dead man's stash"

[cosmic cave]

Lmao if i was a dev i wouldnt even be looking at these channels

[next wing]

they dont anyway

[wintry forge]

I don't mind people disagreeing with my suggestions, but I'm mainly doing it for the devs.

[glacial bridge]

any time a dev spends looking at this chat is time wasted 😂

[verbal marsh]

Everyone knows my newest suggestion is gold.

[cosmic cave]

The amount of shit you would have to sift through for one mediocre upgrade lmaooo (literally)

[lucid root]

The stash would be persistent so what you placed in there 2 matches ago is still there

[agile condor]

Currently circle time is soo short - and why would you place stuff in there?

[lucid root]

I don't know that's why I'm throwing the idea out there 👀

Put some extra bandies you don't need idk

[cosmic cave]

Circle time is fine imo you have all the time you need

[agile condor]

Read in context please

[glacial bridge]

honestly i like the idea Borg. kinda like a stashed weapon in a Hitman mission

[lucid root]

Yeah like that

[verbal marsh]

only if I can rob your stash

[lucid root]

Hmm...not sure about that part, I think it just wouldn't highlight for other players

[sonic pendant]

stashes like tarkov that are just discreet, harder to see lootable chests would be cool, but i can't imagine ever wanting to remove something from my inventory only to have to go retrieve it later

[cosmic cave]

Nobody is stashing anything in a dungeon lol its either going with them or getting thrown down

[lucid root]

Wait for someone to loot from their dead man's stash and then kill them?

[sonic pendant]

that's just camping with extra steps 🤣

[agile condor]

If you're talking about a stash people can loot, sure... isn't that just another type of chest?

[verbal marsh]

I just want lv1 dg to be a city with guards and pvp is difficult unless you manage to drag someone into an alley to kill.

[lucid root]

The difference is you're just putting stuff in it for another match since it's persistent