q-and-a

[gentle rain]

level 3 is in the game, and the majority of players leave before hitting that level, which makes it feel like pve but it is still very much pvpve

[buoyant adder]

@woven shoal Yeah, I'm questioning if they are going to cut the first level out of the game and leave "level 2" to be level 1

[delicate coral]

when can people play again?

[buoyant adder]

@cerulean badger yeah lol Its scary

[woven shoal]

I’m not sure I’m guessing the data collected from this playtest will make them decide if level 2 is too hard for many players. I know there will be a lot of casual players and cannot even clear level 2 pve @buoyant adder

[cerulean badger]

solo level 3 is so much fun!

[calm mirage]

@wanton mural so yea, i like your ideas.
Still i didn't want to make it feel like i was catering to the casuals or new players, i only wanted to express that this game is GREAT and wish i could enjoy it longer or with slightly less stress, and i feel as if there are many people who agree with my statement, if not at least half of it.

The 10-ish minute timer to enjoy the maps is to short, and the zone closes in way too soon. Spawning on the edge of the map far away from the zone at the start makes it so you HAVE to rush and leave the area instead of actually doing what most others do at the start, killing a mob or two, looting a chest or two, and THEN moving on.

[daring sequoia]

Oh yeah also the maps are really good ! But should they remoove wall spike on forgoten castle or at least highlight them more ? Or its just me dying to theses x)

[woven shoal]

Remove the maze ong

[gentle rain]

dunno if you noticed but the spikes are drawn out on minimap

[red crown]

these spikes always scare the hell out of me lmao

[cerulean badger]

Can we play, not everyone. Just us here in Q&A? Mods? Devs?.. Gods?

[charred plinth]

Wait what?! I have just been enlightend, thank you kind stranger

[calm mirage]

true but lets be honest, anyone who goes that deep is ether desprate to flee someone or something, went in by mistake
OR is an actually skilled player/team and they want to get the better loot.
me and my bud got there so many times, and only escaped like 3 times out of the 7 cause the creatures there are stupidly strong against most melee characters without a full team or high gear. We normally one cause of cheese tatics which i dislike using or by shear dome luck mixed with a little skill.

[daring sequoia]

@gentle rain oh nice good to know, but even tho aren't they to sneaky and implies to much maybe a lot of game time to handle the Map and know were they are ? I feel like he can be a little cruel for New player

[buoyant adder]

@daring sequoia cheese or get cheesed. :/

[gritty ginkgo]

CLERIC LFG LICH / HELL RUNS NEED RANGER +1MORE PST

[red crown]

what's up with that lvl 1, 2 and 3 that u guys are talking about? does the pve increases in level as u do aswell? 🤔

[tropic steeple]

good luck finding a group, gonna be rough

[gentle rain]

it really do be like that sometimes haha, there's a crazy amount of information in the map than you initially think ie secret paths, which side you can open cell doors from, etc

and i'd like to think that the wall spikes are part of learning the map, i 100% laughed at the comedy of a floor spike right behind a chest

[lunar blaze]

RNG where you spawn is a big factor for solo Deep run. There’s only a couple of spawns that are pretty hard to navigate but not impossible. Even when I played with my friends I was the only one to always extract from the deep. Just gotta play slow and smart

[buoyant adder]

@daring sequoia I @'d the wrong person. my b

[tropic steeple]

that spider room is 1000000% toxic with grey 3 hit spider pots that have wall spikes behind them

[calm mirage]

the maps are leveld friend
the forgotten castle with lvl 2 map, the next stage was lvl 3, the goblin cave i tHINK was a lvl 2 stage too, seeing as a goblin could two tap a wizard thanks to its posion but i could be wrong

[daring sequoia]

Np

[red crown]

ah, i see. ty ty

[gentle rain]

fr fr, on the topic of spider pots, i hated them so much until i learned that you can just destroy them haha

[buoyant adder]

red spiders D:

[lunar blaze]

You can also destroy them with throwing knives, franscescas, and of course ranger and wizard. You also get the throwing knives/axes back

[daring sequoia]

What do yall think about class do you think they are all well balance ?

[gentle rain]

i think there is definitely a level of counterplay between certain classes, but all of them are fairly manageable once you figure out their strengths and whatnot

[buoyant adder]

I dont like getting 1 shot by a barb.

[tropic steeple]

don't get close to them

[lunar blaze]

It’s all about picking your fights

[red crown]

my only complain about the classes as solo player is when i encounter a duo / trio with a cleric that stays on the back just healing their mates. it's really hard to deal with

[lunar blaze]

What class do you play?

[buoyant adder]

@tropic steeple right, but I felt like I could never outrun them as a cleric though. everything slow for a clerics.

[dense vigil]

Roar + haste + invis?

[red crown]

i play fighter

[wanton mural]

Yeah that's the beauty of the playtest. The player count was 16 then they upped it to 18. Not to mention the spawn locations are very bad and very close together forcing PVP further. I hope they fix the spawns and Up the map size. Plus the first level of the dungeon I think is supposed to have 32 players and easier enemies and idk how that'll work. Hopefully a huge map though. And I think the circle is bad it makes it feel like a BR and not a dungeon crawler .

[round eagle]

For me its getting tapped by rangers.

[wanton mural]

Pretty sure they said the circle was temporary and it was either to force PVP for data purposes or because they didn't have another solution. This is just word of mouth though

[silver stream]

You dont like the pvp part?

[daring sequoia]

Yeah i also think that its about knowing how to play against each , but for example a barb that goes naked on a dungeon would benefit too much speed and not enough punish due to their class trait that make them tankier. Should we be abble to gain that much of a trade and abuse meta ?

[wanton mural]

I love PVP. but I also love to breathe and not run into a three man squad a minute into my run

[toxic vessel]

AT THE wnd of the play test does all of our data rest

[silver stream]

just count players as moving loot pots that sometimes hit back :p

[lunar blaze]

Bow/crossbow, if the healer has to keep healing himself it’ll keep the team from being aggressive. And if they make a gap from the healer take advantage

[buoyant adder]

@round eagle Rangers are pretty good. They've got traps. Fast interaction, range, improved hearing

[gaunt osprey]

Haha, youre a dream. I would say that the the CEO saying something means more than nothing. Speculation would be you and me sitting here talking about early access with absolutely nothing to back it up, sure an announcement would be great but saying that it is complete speculation is laughable. They also "just planned" to have a playtest during steamfest, announcing the exact dates and times just before the event.

The game is in a better state than alot of other early access titles and they have played the PR game geniously with the playtests so far, hyping the game up for each playtest. Personally I wouldnt mind them holding it back for a while because the game needs content but I would not be surprised if they want to get the money. The cynical me expects them to grab the cash.

[wanton mural]

When I think like that I get humbled by a ranger that one taps me from across a room

[toxic vessel]

AT THE end of the play test does all of our data rest

[silver stream]

sounds like a "need for spacial avareness" to me

[wanton mural]

True, I was a wizard with full purple gear and I got two tapped by a default ranger with a decent bow cuz I didn't hear the door open

[lunar blaze]

You will start with nothing next time you play the game

[silver stream]

happens 🤷‍♂️

[wanton mural]

I'm a advocate for ranger and cleric nerfs because I'm a real gamer

[silver stream]

ranger takes aim, cleric is pretty useless without a team

[burnt badger]

Is there a survey available for us to fill out? Since this is a playtest I’d like to fill something out for the dev team.

[wanton mural]

yea but with a team he makes a barb a monster. the healing should be a gradual Regen imo like a really good health pot

[silver stream]

that would make cleric kinda garb

[red crown]

yeah, i said that it was a 'complain' but not a really big one. overall i felt the game pretty balanced, and every class can be dealt with, if u play correctly. and that encounter is something i didn't come across too often, so i haven't found a way to deal with yet. i'll try that strategy next time! ty

[wanton mural]

There's a reason barb cleric and wizard was so viable this playtest as a team.

[tropic steeple]

roar doesn't snare, haste requires a teammate you can also get hasted, invis again requires a teammate, you can also be invissed

[silver stream]

cleric (heal), cleric (tank) + barb

[charred plinth]

maybe make it so the cleric heals instantly a little health and then gives a bit of regen

[tropic steeple]

ya, double cleric barb or triple cleric are both incredible

[lunar blaze]

I’ve had high level fighters take my team out this way, just speaking from experience! I was the cleric too and gave my team way too much of a gap bc he forced me to heal. Never be afraid to run away either if you can that’s still a W 🙂

[celest zealot]

Double ranger is best two man I'm not wrong.

[silver stream]

cleric + barb rolls everything

[dull needle]

Rogue+Rogue+Wizard > everything

[round eagle]

Must have been a shit ranger if he had to open the door for the tap

[dreamy sky]

barb+barb+barb>

[silver stream]

lemme just shoot through solid wood ok

[round eagle]

Talking about the windows

[wanton mural]

yea a barb was with him too, they tapped me once then chased me and tapped me again

[rich frigate]

Please stop, it hurts

[dreamy sky]

literally did 10 runs like this and killed 10 people every run basically the best strat if u wnat to get loot fast

[cold tundra]

Although he mentioned it could come early but, we didn’t get firm news if it was confirmed to come early with #📢announcements or on the official twitter which results in a speculation as it wasn’t confirmed afterwards but an idea he could be planning on doing.

As the game is growing more popular, releasing it early with so many bugs and server bugs wouldn’t be a great idea and i doubt they’d release the early access/beta so soon as they’ve got so much more features such as weight, repair, quests, class skill tree and service option all within the merchants and class which could bring even more bugs to the game and potentially game breaking bugs.

Thats why, they’re most likely going to do a 2-3 more play-tests to test these features before releasing an actual beta/early access copy of the game. But i’d assume, this is my speculation, i’d say the beta/early access would release 1-2 months before the full game release.

[rich frigate]

It’s kinda stupid that to counter barbarian you need at least one person (archer) to focus on the barb, just to PREVENT him from pushing you.

[wanton mural]

i had invis and haste but i was stupid and didnt completely run away, i was like "i can win with 10 hp left",

[dreamy sky]

but when theres 3 he cant focus on all of us the only problem we encountered was arch with purple gear + if u have agility perk u can run faster

[rich frigate]

That’s why team needs the master race class: rogue

[dreamy sky]

1 tap unless good gear

[lunar blaze]

dies in the first room to elite skeleton

[rich frigate]

Never engage in a fight as a rogue lol
@lunar blaze surprisingly, you can handle almost any mob, unless it’s an archer at a bad angle

[dreamy sky]

u cant really run away from 3 barbs closing doors doesnt work and as i said if u pull out ur fist and have the agility ability hes basically as fast as u + throwing axes for stun

[lunar blaze]

Yeah I was Jk, I was doing Sherpa runs last two days, inviting lower level players and giving them good loot. The majority of lower skilled rouges die really quick, but when you learn the class it’s really good

[rich frigate]

I did solo red dungeon runs on rogue with starter gear, speaking from experience.
Fart cloud is underrated, but I hope it gets a visual blur buff or any other buffs. Skeletons not shooting you in the cloud would be great

[rich frigate]

Good luck getting thru my fart and trying to find me invis
I sentenced some teams to death in a mad rogue chase lol

[dreamy sky]

true but sitll cant hide forever from my axe xddd

[quiet frigate]

I think the game should look at the fact that even going around and zooming to the back, an archer skelly will never miss his 2° shot in a close gap

[rich frigate]

The only thing I haven’t figured is how to get the portal from a full hp barb. Unless person lacks brain cells/chromosomes or reaction speed, it’s impossible to leave (stalemate is the best scenario)

[molten epoch]

ayo nerf barbarian

[dreamy sky]

well u can go invis and wait for the barb to try and open it

[rich frigate]

U never attack, never engage, only play with their minds. I wouldn’t even attempt a wizard/archer fight lol

[dreamy sky]

yeah wizard archer fight is hard but if u get a barb from behind u basically win the fight with backstab and poison

[lunar blaze]

Had this happen one time, but knew that the room over had a wraith and skele champ. I pulled aggro on them, kited them to the Barb and hid to lose aggro. He was too occupied to camp the exit after that

[rich frigate]

Absolutely no, you can land 3-5 hits, get 50% hp and get one tapped.

[dreamy sky]

well i was also playing 3 rogues and a guy on my team had full blue and he could easily kill barbs like that to the point where he was getting 2-3 squad wipes per run

[rich frigate]

Oh I was talking naked rogue, my b
Starting gear doesn’t let you kill a fly

[dreamy sky]

oh i would never play rogue naked cuz hes already faster than most classes and ur super squishy with starter armor

[rich frigate]

I meant starting gear by naked

[dreamy sky]

still squishy with starter gear xddd

[rich frigate]

Always will be…

[lime topaz]

Any estimate on the next playtest?

[dreamy sky]

no

[nova storm]

early access is rumored may-july. "full release" is dated oct-dec @lime topaz

[nocturne prawn]

hi! is their a purely pve mode so me and my partner can play and not do pvp? sorry I havent been able to play the game yet but ive seen streamers do and it looks fun!

[dusty drum]

No

[steep rampart]

did they hint at any new class in the future?

[lunar blaze]

Bard atm that’s all I’ve seen

[tribal umbra]

arent the devs making the progression slower for the full release

[lunar blaze]

Possibly, there been a skill tree that’s been locked for the last few playtests. Would make sense to leave it out for now so players can play a few hours during the beta and still progress a class to try out all the skills. Also test the meta for higher lvl play, see how max lvl classes interact with each other in PVP. All assumptions though

[green hill]

is that 2 million unique players? or 2million toons made?

[hexed sundial]

Where's the Paladin Class? 🙂 Fun game, sadly caught it on last day of play test and played the entire day, cannot wait for full release

[crude lantern]

bard, sorceress, druid, artificer, something like a necromancer but not a necromancer, paladin, and more I can't remember

[lunar blaze]

Toontown was a great game but this is dark and darker

[gaunt walrus]

Since this playtest has ended how long do they normally take till the next playtest is available?

[green hill]

idk what that is kiddo srry

[hexed sundial]

@gaunt walrus I think it was a month or so last time?

[lunar blaze]

You’re the kiddo if you don’t know what Toon Town is 😭😭 the irony

[split timber]

tf is toon town?

[green hill]

Or I dont play childrens game lmao im 25

[hexed sundial]

Wish they'd release it now with hard wipes every so often when big changes are made, seems like a game that many would play non-stop along as updates rolled in and balances were made every major update

[lunar blaze]

Dude never saw a commercial his entire childhood I’m 24 btw

[fast salmon]

surely they'll be another playtest before the rumored ea in 3-5 months from now right? not that we even know it'll be in ea if even by then

[green hill]

commercial?

[split timber]

we need more info @lunar blaze

[lunar blaze]

@livid shore

[hexed sundial]

Toon Town was some nickleodeon game or some shit, with cartoons and stuff I'm fairly sure ;p

[lunar blaze]

Yep, and the commercial ran on almost every ad break.

[crisp granite]

were the blue teleports a random spawn or is there a mechanic to get them to spawn?

[split timber]

Necro would definitely be fun in Dn darker.

[wet terrace]

isnt cleric essentially a paladin?

[crude lantern]

random, but it would spawn as the circle closed and became smaller.

@wet terrace very close, but not the same. Paladin class will be coming to DnD eventually

[green hill]

yes

[hexed sundial]

That's offensive, a Cleric is a Cleric.. A Paladin.. Is a Paladin 😛

[wet terrace]

does any1 else get big diablo vibes from dark n darker... everything reminds me of D2 for some reason

[split timber]

Diablo 1 and everquest vibes

[crude lantern]

so it should be : Barbarian, Fighter, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Bard (next confirmed class), Artificier, Druid, Monk, Paladin, Sorcerer, Warlock according to devs around like, 5 months ago

[bold sleet]

Cleric is shown more as a cloth armoured healer that’s more focused on healing and slight buffs. A paladin is more heavy armour, tank with taunts and armour/damage reduction buffs.

[true dragon]

i mean thats basiclly how i played the cleric. put on the biggest armor i coudl use and be Tanky while doing my heals

[static galleon]

when will i be able to play again?

[lunar blaze]

2025

[fierce totem]

Is the damage of the Ignite skill applied by the spell power bonus and magic damage of the person who applied it? Or does it depend on the casting wizard's bonus magic damage?

[vital wagon]

Bard real?

[crude lantern]

yea

[lyric oak]

How much might it cost in release/ early access i just want a approximation

[silver stream]

free

[lyric oak]

followup question : is that a confirmed price also if it is are they probably going to make skins and stuff for money to keep the servers running

[silver stream]

i have no idea i would pay 60£ for D&D doe

[elfin pulsar]

is the early access confirmed?
cause they say it will be another playtest

[frank epoch]

30$ prob

[knotty island]

i think if its free they should def monitize the skins and stuff while keeping the advenutre currency, the games damn good and i'd drop money on a founer pack to keep playingf

[quartz bear]

Hopefully not. I want the game to be developed!

[crude lantern]

@lyric oak @silver stream not free for sure. Says me and the devs. They have not decided (at least publically) how they will monetize the game, but you have server costs and development costs, it's not going to be free. MTX would ruin this game if it becomes the main source of income.

[silver stream]

says who

[crude lantern]

EA going to be in q2 this year, April, May or June

[chilly slate]

Anyone knows when DnD is back up? :(

[silver stream]

hopefully soon :CCC

[rocky solstice]

Prob end of march

[chilly slate]

IM FNG ADDICTED, IM ADDICTED, I NEEED MMORE

[abstract finch]

if anyone needs a new game to play while we wait, play elden ring!

[cosmic bough]

• % Buff duration applies to shrines too right ?

[rich pumice]

or info about when the servers will go up permanently (early access / launch)... that's the real question. It's in a playable state they can patch improvements.... just throw the servers up and allow us to buy in early access already

[fierce sage]

Servers cost $$$

[broken fable]

im sure most of us would be willing to pay for the game as is tho

[fickle atlas]

I think there is risk of longevity if they release too early

[round eagle]

I'd rather wait for a good game, than be stuck with a bad game

[fickle atlas]

players build expectations for large patches, if devs dont meet those, players fizzle out earlier then they would with full launch. Also this is a good game so id pay for it earlier if they did end up doing that

[cerulean hornet]

elden ring doesn't have loot variation

[honest lark]

Are there any mods on I have a question that i want answered

[neon plank]

did any stats increase heals for cleric?

[honest lark]

when i go to open the game i cannot get into the game, then once i go to steam it will say purchase so I want to know what happened and how to fix it.

[glacial comet]

Does the team have an estimated date for release?, say a quarter for this year or upcoming years?

[open egret]

who finna tell him....\

[honest lark]

wait what happened???? I dont have a cluw why it wont let me go in I only play with my one friend and i dont team kill either so I have no clue what to do

[open egret]

i think your banned

[honest lark]

WHAT why??? I didn't even do anything wrong

[crystal depot]

Look in #the-tavern there you are banned too, there must be a connection

[open egret]

lolllll whatd you do buddyyyy

[honest lark]

I literally just play this game because it is so fun I dont cheat all I do is play music sit on discord and play idk why I would be banned

[open egret]

CHEATER

[drifting whale]

what classes were they considering?

[honest lark]

Dude i dont even know how to download cheats also why would i cheat in a game that i care about

[dusty drum]

you're incredibly oblivious

[crystal depot]

poor guy xD my Friend, the Playtest is over, nobody can play and no we don't know when you are able to play again

[neon plank]

this guy is joking, you are banned void walker

[open egret]

CHEATER

[polar beacon]

Clueless

[crystal depot]

it was too cute and i feeled too bad, sorry guys xD

[honest lark]

dude im so mad rn lol i literally didnt do anything

[neon plank]

bro

[honest lark]

wait where do you see that i am banned?

[woven quiver]

Playtest is over! Nobody can play anymore. Bunch of trolls in here...

[hollow socket]

The game will be subscription based starting at 14.99 - 39.99. The Next Playtest will be available in 10 days - See you then!

[neon plank]

dont forget the campaign DLC for 20$!!

[fierce sage]

Apparently you'll also be able to buy Gold - 500 gold for $9.99

[honest lark]

OMG you guys are pieces of garbage LOL hahahahahahahhahaha

[woven quiver]

Yeah they have nothing else to do...

[burnt badger]

im playing dark and darker rn offline mode, hibachi and u can coop

[twilit orbit]

What games are you guys using to fill the void until the next test? Pls respond

[fierce sage]

Read a book or two, try to expand your brain

[hollow socket]

The game will be subscription based starting at 14.99 - 39.99. The Next Playtest will be available in 10 days - See you then!

[vivid raptor]

are u serious? subscription based?

[fierce sage]

No dude, learn some media literacy

[vivid raptor]

wow.. didnt know i was talking to a cliche'... my bad

[fierce sage]

Me when I use words I don't understand to insult someone who gave me life advice

[inner shale]

are stats on weapons meant to be only when held? like for example i never take magic power on my mace as cleric because i cant heal when holding mace

[crystal depot]

Ok now some serious Questions, if the NPC's had a Shield and you hit them on the Shields, it resets his Rotation Timers, is it a bug or a feature?
And the Skelleton Archers don't lose aggro with an invisble potion and they even can move stealth, is it a bug or a feature?

[lethal hemlock]

just a heads up for those who want a game kind of similar to dark and darker you can try Hunt: showdown.

[cinder spruce]

No just having it equipped, you didn't have to be using it.

[inner shale]

no it doesnt add

[vivid raptor]

ur a internet cliche'... hostile because no one knows who u are so there are no consequences to ur mouth... a cliche' cause have to show ppl ur smarter by attempting to put others down... a Cliche' because u act like u know what the word meant but then apparently dont... ur a cliche's i mean in that one sentence u hit all the markers of a internet cliche'.

[rain hemlock]

When is the next play test?

[fierce sage]

I'm not reading all that but we up 💯

[vivid raptor]

point proven

[cold inlet]

Can you summarize the point in 10 words or less?

[inner shale]

currently u do not get stats when its not held, i mean is it intended

[crystal depot]

yes, "you are generation twitter, confirmed", is what he was trying to say obviously

[cold inlet]

Yeah that was more than 10

[steel wolf]

it was actually 5

[cold inlet]

14 in that comment by my count

[crystal depot]

"more than 190 characters? i'm out" .. in my youth, this was a hardware limitation, nowadays they don't even listen if it's longer.. wonderful world :>

[inland tapir]

full game release date when ? does anyone knows

[inner shale]

q4 2023 most likely

[minor tartan]

epic

[crystal depot]

soon™

[small hornet]

next playtest is next month or april>?

[lean inlet]

Doubt it will be April, Early access is suppose to be in April/May

[opaque shale]

is it gonna cost when released ?

[small hornet]

most likely

[minor tartan]

[opaque shale]

how much round about ?

[signal kraken]

when is the full game coming out

[minor tartan]

look at previous messages

[lean inlet]

They said they didn't decide yet if they want Free to Play or Buy to play, but pretty sure they will make it B2P, game needs to generate money somehow.

@signal kraken Early access April/May. Full game - Q4

[fierce sage]

Does anyone know how much the game will be when it comes out? Also, when is it gonna come out? Also, is our stash getting wiped? What about adventure point shop skins, will we keep those? Does anybody why I got banned? Are servers down? Guys when does the playtest end?

[inner shale]

x)))

[cold inlet]

Skins

[hot lava]

when next playtest. i need my crack

[pallid cedar]

Is this a prediction date or forreal?

[small hornet]

1. unique game dev company so likely above $20 like most games with new companies. 2. Q4 - 2023 | early access is april/may, everything is getting wiped, playtest ended already

[hot lava]

I would pay a million dollars, just to play another day. 60 bucks today just tu turn the servers back on for an hour......idk who you guys r that made this game, but i both hate you and love you at the same time!

[crystal depot]

for some reason the skins are buyable with ingame currency, not that I would not appriciate it, but I think, they will not generate too much money from them 😅

[ocean yarrow]

Why they haven't lauched the game yet if ther bug fix it but but even if thers bug i think game still good and playable

[lean inlet]

It is in their FAQ channel

[pallid cedar]

Damn. Ty

[crystal depot]

But the Steam ratings are unfortunately merciless. To polish it more is the right move :>

[inner shale]

https://gyazo.com/10bd9351953ca51a93883709fdce7fb4 from their website

[fierce sage]

Was a satirical question, but thanks anyway

[lime bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/cod-mw2-cod-mw2ghost-cod-ghost-ghost-stare-stare-gif-27067874

[burnt badger]

Can anyone shed light on the difference between "magical power" and "additional magic damage"? trying to understand what qualifies as "bonus" magic damage versus "total" magic damage and why the need for both exists

[inner shale]

as i understood it, magical power is both healing+damage and also calculated as a % under ur character stats as just power

[crystal depot]

Well, this is not what I imagine by a Korean Game Publisher 🤣 Big Balls move in anycase. I understand the intention but I personally have no moral problem to let you pay for pixels xD Buying Gold, Battlepasses and Lootboxes would be on my immoral list, tbh

[wanton mural]

p sure magical damage is flat

[ancient jay]

Its becuase its a playtest they have already said they are doing it to see how it would work at part of montization they justed want to see how skins that altered the stats worked and test the system

[crystal depot]

thank you Sir 👍

[hollow socket]

I would pay top dollar to see this game subscription based like World Of World Craft - can we do this? @gilded smelt

[inner shale]

L take

[sudden quiver]

no wtf thats so bad

[burnt badger]

I dont believe there is one currently available for the public

[empty plinth]

does anyone know a rough estimate of what agility is equivalent to movement speed penalty X points in agilitys counteracts -X movement penalty i know there's thresholds but just a rough estimate

removing movement pentalty and just having everything subtract or give agility would be more readable for sure

[quaint jacinth]

yo how do i play this game

is it not available to play rn?

[vivid solar]

too late lol

[inner shale]

game is still in alpha, u just missed the latest playtest

[quaint jacinth]

ok so how and when can i play it@inner shale

[inner shale]

check announcements

[quaint jacinth]

ok when the put out a new playtest do i just load it up on steam or how else do i jopin it

[open egret]

steeam

[quaint jacinth]

ok thanks@open egret

[bronze lily]

How long is the downtime of the game? Like a month

[hollow socket]

I would pay top dollar to see this game subscription based like World Of World Craft - can we do this? @gilded smelt

[keen hornet]

The stats need to be simplified -- also modified. There are simply too many versions of stats that are unnecessarily added to the rolls on drop. Obviously the meta of PHYS damage needs to be soft-capped as well -- but overall the game stats need to be modified and classes as well so that there are multiple viable builds for each class. Just my opinion -- everyone loves to clobber in PVP, but make the game slightly more reflective of the class identities (rather than Ranger just playing an FPS game while other classes just run at them. Make shield more relevent -- give Cleric more viable spell damage output [see Dungeons and Dragons, just one spell like Guiding Bolt would go a long way].

[burnt badger]

One solo game i found a room with light coming from the ceiling, and when I walked into it some rocks collapsed and i escaped the raid with all of my loot. I only saw that room once in hundreds of games and I can't figure out where it was. any idea?

[nova storm]

make rangers stand still while shooting. make hunting traps take MUCH longer to deploy like a campfire. and rouges skills need nerfed. and barb needs to lose ALL armor rating when buffing. 150 hp is already a big enough buff

[loud blaze]

rogue nerfs?

[nova storm]

cleric needs melee speed buff and fighter needs to lose sprint while wearing plate gear.

[twin gale]

Mid east of map, blocked off exit until later in game

[nova storm]

ive played all classes to level 20 plus every one feels over tuned besides clerics. cleric has buffs but does nothing when you swing one attack every 3 seconds.

[pseudo rose]

isnt that the purpose of clerics, they arent there to fight they are there to buff the team and heal after a fight?

[versed jungle]

DO ARROWS AND OTHER PROJECTILES GIVE YOU SLOW?

[nova storm]

you say that. but when the 3 players focus you and ignore your other two team mates you are helpless. you don't do enough dps to defend yourself.

[pseudo rose]

but that leaves those attacking you to get stabbed in the back by your team

[nova storm]

No one fears clerics is my point. every other class is feared. if cleric can't get some kind of "fearing" aspect. at least make maces hit way harder or an attack speed buff slightly.

[balmy pike]

Im a cleric main. I can say without a doubt, youre just a shit cleric. I will 1v6 all day and finish the fight with 3/4-100% hp

[crisp rapids]

Ale hammer judgement bind

[pseudo rose]

to me the fear aspect of a cleric isnt during the fight but going into one buffed up

[balmy pike]

My morningstar will crit in the head for 100, my judgement on your boy will hit him for 95 and kill him, ill bind your 3rd and beat him to death

[pseudo rose]

if i see a cleric with full buffs it makes me think twice before going in.

[nova storm]

nah you just talking out of thin air. you prolly didn't even break 9k gold this play test. "i 1v6" says every scrub.

[empty plinth]

i do believe there are cleric mains out there that are absolutely god tier pvp in your face smashers

[quartz bear]

Hi

[nova storm]

man prolly buffed his barb and hid behind the wall hoping he'd be caried.

[round goblet]

Ranger mains are the most skillful

[balmy pike]

You can be salty all you want. I would rather u push for cleric buff lol.

It does not need it, its just a skill issue

[empty plinth]

how does a judmgent do 95 without having a signficant amount of money to drop into spell power gear, riddle me that batman

[azure nacelle]

No one fears a barb unless there's a cleric behind him tbh

[quartz bear]

With good gear I got it to peak at 106.

[tiny nymph]

Mach game auf du fresse

[nova storm]

did you run high rollers lol? most teams had 3 barbs with full epics/leg

[empty plinth]

@azure nacelle what's even better is a barb with a barb behind him >:) strike fear into your enemies

[round goblet]

Anybody have any clue when the next play test is

[pseudo rose]

not soon enough

[empty plinth]

Sorry the game is canceled because too many people kept asking when the next playtest is, they're only releasing it at Q4 2024 now

[azure nacelle]

Mostly in the previous playtest, i did a decent amount this playtest but i was trying to get experience doing bosses. I saw all classes equally this playtest in highroller except a lot less wizards and at the end of the playtest a lot more rogues.

[stable oyster]

Is it true the next playtest is in 10 days?

[round goblet]

They said in an interview release will probably be April may

[nova storm]

no. you won't see anything till oct-dec

[tired surge]

Pretty sure the latest we've heard is april/may for next "phase" idk if it's early access or another playtest

[azure nacelle]

Just a bigger blob of a target for a wizard, ranger, or ranged fighter to deal with before he gets to you tbh. Barb needs the big heals and buffs

[stable oyster]

ah

[empty plinth]

until you get a francesca to the dome

[nova storm]

PLAN is early access may-july "Full" release oct-dec

[round goblet]

I just need my daily fix and I can’t even get it

[empty plinth]

what if three barbs all threw francescas in unison is that a viable strat sounds kind of lowkey devious

[tired surge]

Watch, there's no games that offer this kind of experience but once we have unlimited access to D&D there'll be so many it'll flood the market lol

Such a pain

[rigid cargo]

Is individual keybind for spells something you’ve been considering for Wizard and Cleric spells? Like for example having the ability to bind E-Z-X-C-V to your five spells instead of having to use the wheel, feels very clunky to me

[nova storm]

im down to pay $100 right now to land early access.

[pseudo rose]

same

[raw bay]

💀 same

[round goblet]

One thing I can’t wrap my head around is how frequently will the game wipe and if it last to long the amount of god weapons will be stupid

[safe cradle]

who carries 9k gold

[pseudo rose]

i fear that too, that if they dont wipe stash/inventories that the god geared people will get bigger and better while the new people will just get ran over by them and not be able to progress.

[round goblet]

I feel like a one month maybe a 2 month wipe cycle but I play rust so maybe I am just used to frequent wipes

[crisp rapids]

Ale, the skill that negates the movement penalty, hammer

[empty plinth]

judgment is a spell why would a str buff buff it?

[round goblet]

I love this dev team I feel like they will do a great job of keeping the game fresh and rotate metas

[nova storm]

people who make too much money while spending it. always had epic gear/legendries couldn't spend my gold fast enough

[smoky briar]

consider this is a South Korean game company which are known to be producing a lot of p2w stuff, does anyone have any idea how crazy the monetization will get? Paywalls? P2W stuff? Pay $ buy ingame items? Have devs ever mentioned the plans with this?

[pseudo rose]

god i hope they dont go that direction

[void hearth]

They wont just read the #❓faq and other stuff, oh no a Korean company better stay away, the big bads are coming. They're gonna charge us an arm and a leg, we better sell our organs to pay for the best gear. I do NOT think it will be pay2win. Simply because It's a Korean company doesn't mean jack shit

At least from what I've seen

[smoky briar]

Triggered much? It was a question. I did read faq

[void hearth]

No I'm just annoyed that you're saying that simply because It's a Korean company, It's the exact same thing like saying americans are all fat because americans

[runic warren]

well...

[smoky briar]

Yes, the chances of a Korean company releasing a highly monetized game is higher than any other indie dev from other regions, just like a chance to encounter a fat american is higher than a fat european, it's statistics and facts, don't be offended by facts 😄

[void hearth]

I'm not offended but annoyed you are giving a stereotype, plus the devs seem like they actually care about the game and It's community

[smoky briar]

stereotypes exists for a reason, also i simply asked a question to find out if there's been any dev interviews mentioning their plans on monetization. Untwist your panties. @summer lance I did already. I do research before asking questions, but did not find any interviews about actual plans. It's also not the first time someone claims to steer away from monetization but later on goes overboard with it, mostly because of investor relations.

[summer lance]

google ironmace and check the "about us" and "our mission" parts on their website

[wintry anchor]

do you guys know how to get named weapons and does it have to be high roller to get them

[smoky briar]

yes, its high roller only

[round ginkgo]

Monetization is common across all gaming companies. Your stereotype comes down to a lot of mobile/f2p games coming out of asia. This team of devs seem to be very against that by everything they have said and done so far.

[void hearth]

That's like saying somebody who does drugs cant stop doing them, somebody who created a greedy game can also make a good game. Much like saying somebody who smokes cant stop smoking

[wintry anchor]

how do you get them

[void hearth]

I mean right now you cant as play test has ended

[wintry anchor]

well yeah but when it was active how did you get them

[round ginkgo]

Bosses have the highest drop rate from what Ive seen

[smoky briar]

You got it from high roller down portals, but chances are they will be re-vamping some of the more OP nameds/uniques with the upcoming skill trees to address balancing.

[void hearth]

hr I never got one so I'm assuming you could get them from anything, just unlikely.

[tawdry salmon]

How long does it takes for mods/devs to respond to Troubadour applications? I believe it's been a week maybe since I applied and there's like no way to directly contact them

[upbeat forge]

I’d probably take into consideration the most recent playtest

[tough canyon]

any idea how much the game will cost in a future?

thanks bro,and will be available on april or something like that?

[tawdry salmon]

Cube World :DD

[round lodge]

1 question next Demo or Playtime ?

[tawdry salmon]

$19.99 on steam :DD

[wide relic]

they asked for free tho

[fickle arrow]

yea..

[wide relic]

im lurking sorry it was just really funny to me for some reason

[tawdry salmon]

Ehh.. you'll never find a free DnD game just play minecraft with mods I guess :DD

[unborn elm]

is there a set day or time we can expect playtest 5 or open beta

[inland moth]

Atm no

[tawdry salmon]

How about you guys start giving your brains some sixpacks and start playing Chess?

[magic canyon]

Let him cook

[tawdry salmon]

Ey if you think about it.. chess is technically Medieval cause it has knights and kings and queens, fight me if u dare

[tribal umbra]

chess is great for other games tbh, keeps your thoughts open instead of tunnel visioning

[tawdry salmon]

^^ see? see?

[tribal umbra]

especially for dnd, collecting info on rooms, enemies, considering where to go, what would happen if you were to fight x team

[upbeat forge]

Nah trust me this ain’t it

You end up in 3 am 400 elo chess lobbies wondering where it all went wrong

[tawdry salmon]

Chess is great for strat and planning things correctly, making smart decisions, trying to outsmart your opponent.. it's all about brains and if you can play chess you can also play other games and make great decisions that'll help you win the game for example Dark And Darker

[tribal umbra]

builds character

[tawdry salmon]

Not everyone is smart that's why they stay at 400 elo

[upbeat forge]

Couldn’t be me, I obviously stay there by choice

[tribal umbra]

chess puzzles is where its at, fun asf and no pressure

[tawdry salmon]

facts chess puzzles do be fun lol

[ripe furnace]

will there be bigger group options or is there a reason for the max being 3?

[tall quiver]

is there gonna be new charactors added to the game?

[lunar blaze]

3 is perfect

[crystal hawk]

Bard is coming eventually

[potent night]

Where does it say they are adding bard

[crystal hawk]

Literally on the steam page

[fickle lily]

is there a dev blog available somewhere?

[fiery scarab]

is there a way to buy the game even its on alpha stage?

[summer swift]

Not until early access in April/May

[jade dust]

Do you keep your gear and gold after beta?

[opal juniper]

no lol

[hexed finch]

Nah, the option to have larger groups in dungeons with bigger layouts would be great

Would be cool to take on a dragon or something ridiculous with a raid party

[tired surge]

I'd love a high roller goblin cave ngl
I spent like 99% of the playtest in there lol

All I did was goblin caves and high roller

[prisma void]

did you manage the troll?

[tired surge]

By the end yeah, super fun

[worldly harness]

What is suppose to be there on the full release ? As far as I know they talked about classes, skill tree, the quest, bosses, the first floor that could be a forest, the auction house, but did they talked about what should be in the q4 release and what would be added afterwards?

[wintry anchor]

are these guys the same people that made valheim

[harsh stratus]

no

[jagged cairn]

when is the next playtest?

[worldly harness]

They will tell it soon after looking at the stats of the one we played

[jagged cairn]

roger thanks

[twilit sand]

Will there be only one unique weapon of each kind in the game?

[versed egret]

Iron gate vs iron mace

[errant moat]

Anyone have a list of the legendary items like viola?

[vapid jewel]

[broken canopy]

Can rangers track footsteps on rogues that move while hidden? I only had one instance where this was applicable to me an I’m not sure if I just didn’t see the foot print or if they didn’t show up.

[worldly harness]

https://darkanddarker.gameslantern.com/weapons?unique=unique

If you find any other feel free to tell me, I would love to find them all x)

[final thistle]

Is dark and darker coming to next gen at some point

[reef slate]

Has it been confirmed or talked about when early access is coming, not just another playtest but early access?

[jade cypress]

april/may as of right now

[surreal cypress]

hey, is there a way to change Character names? if not is it planned? honestly i could imagine it being a drop sou you can trade for it.

[jade cypress]

and also with them saying they are waiting to digest everything from this previous playtest to announce the next, we can prolly assume well have one in march maybe april if early access gets delayed

[reef slate]

Thank you for the reply

[frozen osprey]

Hey devs. Are you intentionally not giving the Nexon drama any PR coverage? I’m in full support of your side, but is it true that you guys were ex-devs under Nexon, and if so, is it like most people say where:

You were the team working on D&D and got fired, so decided to steal the assets you made in the first place,

Or (and i really do not care since Nexon is a POS company and i am sure everyone here agrees):

You stole the assets and used them to make the game that was conceptualized and scrapped by Nexon, and were not involved in the development beforehand.

I understand if you wish to not answer because in drama like this not acknowledging it is often the best move, thank you for reading.

[plucky swallow]

@frozen osprey i hope you dont get access to next play test for your accusations

[frozen osprey]

are you stupid? lmfao

[craggy glade]

is there a decided upon price for the game yet? based on what ive seen people say its going to be "affordable" so does that mean like $10? i say make it $20 or $15 so u make money, but its not so expensive that you lose the whole playerbase

[deep ferry]

next playtest when?/will there be another playtest or nope?

[burnt badger]

Were drop rates increased for the play test?

[round ginkgo]

This does not seem to be the case at all from my lookings just recently. So you are just stirring drama.

[frozen osprey]

How the hell is asking devs about a real situation that is literally happening in any way "stirring up drama"? What is your damage lmfao

[round ginkgo]

Need more be said. "I enjoy spreading misinformation on the internet" was his bio https://gyazo.com/b7a6c3339f60d8ec62f8ba2b787099eb. @junior delta or another warden please ban the troll trying to slander the devs for his own fun.

[frozen osprey]

what even man. u a clown. blocked

[dry rover]

will you need to purchase the game to be able to play the early access in april? if so when will purchase be available?

[surreal cypress]

what's the benefit of dual wielding? i still need to use both weapons manually, right?

[royal bison]

The Fighter class has a perk that increases damage while dual wielding.

[surreal cypress]

i saw some rogues with 2 daggers, is there a benefit? u mostly attack with only one weapon anyway, right? or is there like a moveset advantage

[candid swift]

While wielding certain weapons and holding left+right clicks you can perform a combo attack. Also you're able to attack in both directions without hitting a wall or barrier. Only down side I see is slower move speed which is why some rogues only use one weapon.

[sacred ore]

how do i download the game?

[summer lance]

probably more like 30ish, but there wasnt a set price said by the devs yet

[summer lance]

the playtest ended yesterday

[sacred ore]

oh so we have to wait for it to go live on steam?

[rough peak]

Are there hard numbers for burning damage? Like the debuff itself. Does it deal a flat amount, or a % of hp?

[mystic crystal]

Hi, is there a list with screenshots off all the unique named gears ?

[wooden citrus]

When is the the next playtest

[paper quarry]

essentially, yes.

[paper quarry]

a Warden pinned a message in general chat

there is also no announced playtest yet, but there's still a month between now and april so who knows

[surreal cypress]

is there a wiki? or some other roesources regarding weapon info?

[bold urchin]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Dark_and_Darker_Wiki , weapon numbers are variable not a strict number tho

[molten talon]

Do you plan on adding more spells or classes?

[marsh basalt]

Theres a lot of stuff in the works. If I remember correctly a revamp of the wizard class, and later down the line a Bard and Sorcerer class

[lilac flare]

i have to assume so, im sure there is only 9 spells for clerics 10 slots so far no?

[pale plover]

What should we do while we wait for dark and darker? I never knew just how dark life was without it....

[deep crypt]

Mordhau exists, which is similar to the game in the medieval and PVP fashion, but prepare to be oneshot by some dude throwing mauls. Barony is great if you want more roguelike RPGs, and its basically a pixel version of it (No pvp), could say a couple more to pass the time if you'd like.

[pale plover]

I played mordhau competitively already have ~1k hours in it and quit the comp scene

[deep crypt]

I see

Theres escape from tarkov, which leans more on the What if we were an RPG game with guns

[eternal jasper]

u kno darkstar? or anyone from the old free snacks servers

[pale plover]

darkstar was the one who got me into the game's comp scene actually

[eternal jasper]

him and i go way back, good to see a friendly face. dude almost got me a job

[late lion]

Plz gimmie some games to play im boutta eat a slug im so bored

[deep crypt]

Aside from barony, tarkov, and mordhau... I suppose theres always rust, Arma, DayZ, GTFO, and maybe hell let loose?

Nothing really has the same general vibes as tarkov and D&D, but these get the general idea. Kill stuff, earn loot, use loot to kill stuff.

[late lion]

Honestly im just worried about this nexon situation hope it aint true or at least hope no action will be taken havent felt this passionate about a game in years

[deep crypt]

Most threads say that nexon probably did reach out and try something, but most definitely nothing will come of it. Not to mention they would get bullied into a ground if they ruined this game

[crude lantern]

butthurt gacha game developer butthurt about some concept they didn't follow through which is now successful. Shocker

[cobalt juniper]

early access = it'll be available on the steam page for a set price
just wait til april & dw

[ebon meteor]

I just found this game while watching some YouTube and rushed out of my bed to try and download it only to find out that I just missed being able to play it. Does anyone know when the next chance to play the game will be?

[gritty kraken]

Not yet probs a few months tho

[ebon meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-crying-gif-20544752

[austere palm]

IDK, but don't feel bad. Everyone who has played is suffering withdrawal symptoms similar to methamphetamines...... THERES BUGS CRAWLING IN MY SKIN!!!!! THEYRE IN THE WALLS

[split galleon]

I'm already fiending

[gritty kraken]

2 million people played this test, and im sure everyone wants it back

[ebon meteor]

I can completely understand. I've been playing random games trying to find something fun and I stumbled across Dark and Darker gameplay video. I have never wanted to play a game so bad.

[dusky flame]

How to get the game?

[lofty root]

playtest is over

[azure pewter]

does "+additional magic damage" add damage to magic attacks or magic damage to all attacks

[alpine jacinth]

adds damage to magical attacks as far as i know

[tardy sonnet]

hey, is there a road map or something

[frozen osprey]

I have an image of all the questions answered here based on upcoming content by the devs. Will dm it to you

[tardy sonnet]

yay

[alpine jacinth]

is it a quick summarization screenshot or is it somewhat lengthy?

[frozen osprey]

Really long

[alpine jacinth]

im guessing it was from the q and a channel

[dusky flame]

When does the full game come out?

[alpine jacinth]

i think they said 4th quarter of this year, so october-december range

[frozen salmon]

Early access may be much sooner though

[round ginkgo]

Because devs have already confirmed EA is planned for late april early may. I gotta love the internet when people ask the same question over and over when there is a search.

[ivory grove]

i see people streaming dark and darker? how do i get in on this play test?

[onyx lily]

They are restreaming old videos

[ivory grove]

ahhh gotcha. thanks.

[crude halo]

I heard EA release was "sometime in Q4" and the next playtest is some time in April, suppose I misheard then

[still wigeon]

so how does lockpicking work, am i supposed to hit only the red part or is the yellow part alright

[mental trout]

Yellow part is fine

[still wigeon]

what happens with the red part

[round ginkgo]

You heard wrong. Full release is late Q3 or Q4. Tentatively

[buoyant abyss]

Are we getting a stash on early access? Like can we upgrade our stash or like tarkov eod version

[crude lantern]

q3 q4 in the next year, so 2024 i think

[low plaza]

How to you get the different roles like troubadour and veteran adventurer and warden?

[round ginkgo]

Again. Search people.

dev Q&A: When is the next playtest?
No information released as of now.

When is Early Access?
Late April/May 2023

When is Full Release?
Q4 2023-2024

[round ginkgo]

You have to apply, channel for both. Both are closed rn but you could ask admin. They are community roles

[low plaza]

Thanks man looks like your doing more of the admin work here yourself lol

[crude lantern]

im aware of the ea date. full release matters little to me. 2024 or 2023 it doesnt matter imho

[round ginkgo]

I imagine most of the staff are exhausted. This place was wild during the test. 2 million players does that

[versed egret]

Faster

[woeful rampart]

Since we have +flat damage and +true flat damage, is there any plan of adding -flat damage received enchantments for armor?

[stoic night]

Can someone sum up the Nexon situation ? i've missed the train on that one i think

[broken canopy]

I just found the dev QnA channel thanks to you pointing it out. It’s crazy the questioner predicted 2 million players.

[warped ivy]

gonna be real honest, the game probably isn't getting an EA in May. I'd suspect closer to Q3/4 for EA then another year for full release, not including the drama from nexon...

the amount of data they got from this last playtest is gonna delay release IMO, even if they survive being sued

[round ginkgo]

There is absolutely no reason to believe this. The devs have said they are more free floaty on what is being done, but the general timeline seems pretty solid.

[versed egret]

What info have they gotten that would force them to delay ea

[tribal hawk]

Bro full release is confirmed in Q4 this year and they said early Access fastest in late april

I think we will get one playtest in march and then next is would be early Access

[iron glen]

Are rogues going to get a protection skill to avoid getting oneshotted by every class late game and a crossbow or something smaller crossbow ofc for ranged attacks

[burnt badger]

i have arrive

[trim marsh]

Do you have a date set for the next alpha test?

[ivory badge]

the next test is actually early access release, set to be late april early may. see ya in 2 months

[trim marsh]

okay,thank you

[proper spruce]

@ Any Ironmace member: perhaps you're reading. I would like to clarify some community rumors if possible.
Is it correct that the loot drop rates in this playtest were inflated compared to the release droprates, for testing purposes?
Is it planned that players who descend will be matched with a new group of players, or will you continue using the system of only grouping players from the same instance/map that all descended?
Is it correct that the current floor 1 of the Forbidden Castle will become floor 2, with a new floor 1 being added?

[ivory badge]

The data is better how do you think they grab data? its a pie chart with percentages lol they wanna see what people use the most and what people dont use what people play what they dont play and then they have suggestions to find out what people want and they only look at whats most liked it really isnt that hard for them to find out what to do and just do it, they also dont have to impliment every feature.

its ALSO early access they just have to finish bugs and polish what already exists and add what they wanted to add before the playtest the playtest is enough to let them know the game is READY for a Early access cause people ACTUALLY played it and REALLY ENJOYED IT

[half phoenix]

When is the alpha over

[ivory badge]

The first one is a rumour that got misspread its actually talking about the goblin caves cause its experimental they have highloot as a solo map thats the thing that was talked about.
No they wont be matched with new players atleast nothing in the Q&A from The Devs Actually said that I looked at everything
The third one is literally just someones suggestion at that point never read anything on that

[proper spruce]

Thank you, but I was hoping to get a response from the devs. It's difficult to find any sources for these rumors, so perhaps they're just that, but confirmation would be nice.

[tropic wharf]

Is the fighter a good class to run? I played near the end of the playtest and have debated switching to barb. I usually play with my friend who is a fighter main as well, just looking for some advice from some more seasoned players

[long flicker]

Rogue on top

[fathom crow]

Watch the earlier dev Q&As, they have alot of info on this. @tropic wharf fighter is definitely good, it can use bows, melee and armor. Very versatile, but if you prefer a specific playstyle you might prefer something else like barb/ranger(/cleric?)

[tropic wharf]

I’m a big pvp fan in the game, I like being able to tank and dish high damage which seems like barb, but I don’t want to die to quickly because I don’t have a shield, and not having a ranger or healer on my team (since I usually run with my fighter buddy) makes it hard to decide

[crude lantern]

Fighter is a jack of all trades and master of none, that's how it is in Dungeons and Dragons and how it is here

[long flicker]

If you want a higher skill ceiling and want to be able to 1v3 if your good enough and learn it rogue is the best imo, I had so much fun after getting all my perks at level 20 and playing around with good gear, could easily roll up on a 2-3 man squad and take them all with potions

[drifting sonnet]

I need early access I need them to take my money now

[royal rampart]

Do we have any idea of when the next playtest will come out?

[quaint monolith]

do you have any plan to add turkey server? or another EU server??

[grand siren]

There'll be no more playtest, This game is gonna be early access-able in April

[ivory badge]

there may be a single playtest in march
MAYBE its simply a rumour that wardens might be humoring

[eternal python]

If you gear up through trade post Fighter scales better into the late game. Super tanky and hits hard. Barb is strong early, very strong.

[eternal python]

most recent announcement makes it sound like there will be... "We will announce news regarding the next playtest once we have a chance to digest this data and build a schedule."

[fluid ledge]

Any estate on the cost of the game when in early access

[tribal hawk]

I want to know when next playtest will be, I need to get free from work there haha

[fluid ledge]

@tribal hawk to what I just read it isn't going to be early access in April

[obtuse depot]

guys will the game be free for those who played a alpha??

[tribal hawk]

They said the fastest option is April, probably IT will be may or later @fluid ledge

[fluid ledge]

Ok good to know

[burnt badger]

Will they remove the skeleton skin ? This is a ridiculous skin imo. Also a little bit confusing in battles

[tribal hawk]

Ye, i Hope next playtest will be in march

[obtuse depot]

yo guys will the game be free for those who played a alpha??

[tribal hawk]

Maybe next playtest 16 - 23 march on steam big Sale

@obtuse depot No

[fluid ledge]

Probably not @obtuse depot

[obtuse depot]

oh thats sad

[tribal hawk]

I can Bet money for next playtest will be 16 - 23 March

[round ginkgo]

No

[jaunty island]

not really sad. this game is better off not being free so the developers can keep working on the game and so the jackasses would not be able to ruin the game easily i.e cheat engines, exploits etc

[fluid ledge]

I do agree with that

[obtuse depot]

i agree ya but for me its sad cuz im still a student so i dont that much money

[tribal hawk]

I want to pay one time and Play despite of dumb battle passes in free games

[jaunty island]

dont worry you got plentiful of time to save up for the game

[fluid ledge]

It's most likely to cost 20 US dollars

[stoic pilot]

Can the devs add cheese?

[round ginkgo]

Baseless

[bronze geode]

Why do I delete dark and darker and can't download I again ?

pls help me

[cerulean ridge]

why even delete it lol

[fluid ledge]

You can't redownload it because it out of alpha 4

[ivory badge]

day 2 with D&D 69 days till release, I can feel the urge to fly to ironmace HQ and demand this game be released, But Im resisting, For now.
on a related note I have already theory crafted every possible combination with every race possible and have deduced that ROGUE IS THE BEST RANGED CLASS IN THE GAME!

[bronze geode]

Because I can't get in, I want to delete it and download again to see if I can get in.\

[fluid ledge]

They took out the demo you can download so that is probably why you can't redownload it

[inland owl]

Demo say buy game for me

[bronze geode]

So I can only wait for the official version ?🥲

[fluid ledge]

No there is a chance there will be a alpha 5 in March

[bronze geode]

i say is dark and darker , no is alpha

[fluid ledge]

Yes I'm talking about dark and darker there might be a chance it's going to have an alpha 5 or early access

[crude lantern]

EA confirmed for q2 (april, may, june), 2023

[bronze geode]

but i want to play too much is there any way to play dark and darker

[crude lantern]

time machine

[royal rampart]

mi me mu

[drowsy topaz]

얼리엑세스를 구매한 이후 정식출시가 된다면 다시 구매해야 하나요?

[azure pewter]

with this statement you have become my eternal enemy.

[grand siren]

얼리엑세스 구매자는 정식출시 이후 그대로 즐길수 있습니다 보통 얼리엑세스는 조금 싸게 올려지는 경우도 있지만 요즘은 대부분 그냥 정식 출시가랑 비슷하게 얼엑가가 책정되요

[burnt badger]

Sorry sir but that is true...

I'm not saying skins are op. they just not making sense and you can confuse them with real skeletons in fight.

[shadow wedge]

What happens when you punish a team killer

[azure pewter]

I never had an issue, people don't often run completely naked with a falchion and try to imitate npc movement

[shadow wedge]

😂😂

[azure pewter]

that's about the skeletons not your thing. being a bone boy is all i care about

[silver stream]

that is me

[echo onyx]

Can i play in d and d now ?

[mental stream]

Yes.

[echo onyx]

how?

[cobalt tinsel]

same question, i'd like to play, but don't know how

[warm leaf]

d and d isnt out atm the playtest ended on the 16th theres talk about how they might have it mid or end of march so sadly no one can play atm

[cobalt tinsel]

gotcha, thanks

[warm leaf]

np boss idk when the game will be out but im looking forward to the next playtest

[echo onyx]

but how man in voice chat playing?

[warm leaf]

hes either showing old clips or has someones stream up people are still streaming it on twitch but its just old clips

[errant glen]

post source

[warm marsh]

Where they confirmed this?

[oblique crescent]

They said it in the last dev q&a. End of april/early may is there target

[warm marsh]

Nice

[marsh solar]

why dont u guys add a weapon testing range

[drifting sparrow]

How are you going to dissuade toxic behavior. The subreddit is already a cesspool of people who want to gatekeep this game.

[warm marsh]

They can do nothing about it

[empty plinth]

this game does not feel toxic at all comparitively to other pvp games i've played it's not even close people have been really cool it's been refreshing

what do you mean about reddit gatekeeping the game i don't get it what are they doing what can they do?

Have you ever seen Overwatch lobbies people would flame you on your own team very hard many similar examples, League, DBD, CSGO, etc.

I'm all for protecting the younglings though

[hollow socket]

I would pay top dollar to see this game subscription based like World Of World Craft - can we do this? @gilded smelt

[primal canopy]

Gatekeep as in keep the game hard and therefore less accessible to a larger more casual player base? Especially those asking for pve nerfs or unwarranted changes? Or?

[empty plinth]

the game is just going to get harder as people get even more experienced that's just the nature of competitive games unless they create some type of skillbased match making tbh right now i kind of wish they wouldn't because that can cause problems in itself and create a bad culture for the game, when people are told that their only objective is to win people like to do more and more devious shit and be toxic

If anyone is that good they'll tend to get bored pub stomping people anyways

[sly widget]

are high roller bosses the only way to get uniques? Or possible to drop anywhere in HR with extremely low chance?

[rustic moat]

why are shields the most unreliable thing ever :T iv seen so many streams of swords literally going through shields and i for the life of me couldnt get it to block reliably no matter where i pointed it and players will just beat around the shield -_-

[knotty trench]

why cant i play the game anymore

[blissful anvil]

when is it back

[summer lance]

it was a play test that has ended #📢announcements

[shy bolt]

not to be toxic, but thats a skill issue. it doesnt go through your sheild, it can hit your offhand, your head aswell as the sheild, or any limbs at all. you have to block the weapon at its top 1/3

[round ginkgo]

Or just have something that doesn't care about blocking like a felling axe and he can swing again with no penalty.

Also the hit boxes can be jank

[rustic moat]

well wouldnt you consider many people saying that it doesnt work reliably when we do do that a problem? what about archers and arrows ive litterally had them hit me square in my nose aiming up like everyone says through my shield. and even watching other streamers experiencing and complaining about similar things even clips for like jerma where hes had his shield up right protecting his head from an downward swing nailing him its too unreliable if you have to pixel perfect aim at a sword like that. somethings has to be broken if it you get a handfull of people saying skill issue and the majority saying its very fickle :T

[worn stump]

will the game have another alpha or will it release?

[solid sluice]

probably will be more playtests

[rustic moat]

separate issue am i missing something i had trouble with cleric spells connecting with people ive found sometimes it just goes to me even though i was aiming at them :T usually when they are moving around

[summer lance]

probably 1 more playtest and then an EA (but thats just a guess)

[solid sluice]

Yeh i had that a lot, think it's just a bit of a desync problem

[rustic moat]

thats what i figured feelsbadman :<

[solid sluice]

I also find it weird that you can cast spells on dead bodies

[sick sparrow]

Is it possible for the player to fund a server for dark and darker last demo while we wait for the Alpha/Beta game? (Trust, we are not addicted)

[round ginkgo]

No

[gray gazelle]

go play minecraft or animal crossing if you want friendly environment, we have too many casual games already, I am sick of it and bored

[calm mirage]

That was an old post friend sounds like your soul is quite.
Dark

[dim wind]

Heals are hit scan, your curser has to be on them at the end of the animation. Its hard at first but i really like it because it adds a level of skill to healing that makes it where not everyone wants to/can do it

[gray gazelle]

doesn't matter, a post is a post, you said that you want PvE, that means you want easier game without challenge

[calm mirage]

Well don't matter friend, I've said my peace. If you don't like it then that's up to you.

[dim wind]

I mean the next level they are adding is easier than the current starting level, evn the devs want it to be a litle easier for newcomers

[rose bobcat]

How many blue portals spawn every game? Is it 7?

[gray gazelle]

imo this is perfectly fine to have a progression in game, someone learns stuff, dies in forest -> no advancing
someone feels like he can try his chances in next level -> take your risk, go for it

[tight rivet]

Not everyone wants to deal with dying to some other person 30 seconds into the game. Having both PvP and PvE I think would give the game a lot wider appeal. The current game market is missing anything like this. It reminds me of Eye of the Beholder from years ago.

[calm mirage]

Not gonna change my mind

BUT if you had read any of my other posts, you would have seen there are better choices then just adding pve.
So go back and read or just stop. Not gonna waste time retelling stuff

[gray gazelle]

then why in the first place you play game like that wtf? and force people to make it more casual because you don't want to die in 30s and feel thrill of danger

[tight rivet]

There is no "thrill" to dying to someone in way better gear jsut going "smack" oh your dead in the literal first 30 seconds of the game.

The game is new, and free. That was a lot of why I played. It will be interesting to see what happens to the playerbase when its money to play/own.

[calm mirage]

Forced he says Cyricc he never read the past posts. Ignore him

[silk wadi]

or they could add a level oppisite of high roller where you can use it till lvl 15

[gray gazelle]

yes there is, you go into raid full geared but you lack skills as an example, don't tell me that after death you will not be pissed of or scared before starting game

also if you have no gear, finding new match was taking no more than 1-3 minutes, basically better luck next time

I came to this game because it is full loot and penalty for dying, but also high reward, not for cosmetics or "PvE"

[tight rivet]

The game will sell better if it appeals to the widest possible audience. And no where did I recommend removing any of what you like.

[supple seal]

do we have any ballpark date for the games full release yet?

[kindred pond]

when is next playtest?

[silk wadi]

i read before that it was supposed to release fully this fall

[tight rivet]

I expect any estimates have been only vague ballparks of some quarter. I feel like there is a lot that still needs fleshed out before its safe to start talking release dates. Don't think any schedule for more playtests has been mentioned either (unless I missed something).

[kindred pond]

but we are addicted, we need to play dark and darker

[gray gazelle]

this is actually fine, if players will want to advance then they have a choice, I didn't manage to go to lvl 3, only played lvl 2 (castle)

[calm mirage]

I hope they add more classes. I heard bard is the first one they are adding but I'm not 100% sure

[kindred pond]

is there any phone number where i can tell someone my pain? 🙂 cause we cant play dark and darker

[rain hemlock]

Is this next playtest in April?

[tacit crown]

I heard it would be mid or end march

[calm mirage]

I hope mid March at latest

[tardy panther]

Needs to be next week

[silk wadi]

should just be an open demo after version 0.5

[upper swan]

@tacit crown where did you hear that?

[tight rivet]

Probably going to take them at least a little while to get whatever info they want out of their huge pile of data from the last playtest. Nevermind any changes that come from it.

[tacit crown]

It should take about a month for the devs to take and digest all the new info

[tardy panther]

They should be taking some Yogurt to speed up this digestion

[tight rivet]

Guess a lot is going to depend on what they want to do with the info, how much detail they are trying to get out of it, and how long it takes to code/change whatever they decide needs adjusting from it.

Separately there is also the time it takes to add whatever newer features that get added. Things I could see happening including, more work on the responsiveness of the game, the training section, and maybe some changes to the way stats work.

Ultimately, its going to come down to how fast they can process and just do stuff, code etc.

[gentle ice]

Bad take

[gray gazelle]

I wouldn't expect any specific dates in next days, estimations in software development is somewhat impossible if you want accurately do it for more distant future than few hours

[spiral wedge]

If you make everyone not comfortable with pvp go into their own little fun world, there will only be tryhard swetts in pvp, making anyone trying pvp have it much worse. Ur basicly filtering out the playerbase.

[gentle ice]

Agreed

[gray gazelle]

tell me then how escape from tarkov or rust, both high risk high reward games are so popular even tho first is still in open beta and full of bugs?

[tight rivet]

There is no perfect solution, the counterpoint to that is, you will lose a section of your playerbase if you don't ofter alternatives or, if they just immedately die to another player.

[gentle ice]

Wdym solution? There isn’t a problem

[silk wadi]

bro, they could just add a dungeon thats oppisite to high roller, only available till lvl 10 or 15

[tight rivet]

The "problem" as defined by Lucid was it would filter out the playerbase if you gave a non-pvp alternative. Either you don't get some players because they don't like/want/are turned off by pvp, or you in have smaller lobbies.

[calm mirage]

IF ANYONE wants to read more about discussed pve and such things, please come jump to yesterday where many people incuding myself discusssed it.

a reminder to many as well was that i was told that the red zone, and the time frame may not stay or was not intended to be that fast for release, but was quicked for the playtest and the maps were allowed to hold a few more people to test pvp data.

SO TO EVERYONE WHO KEEPS SAYING PVE WOULD RUIN THE GAME, REMEMBER THAT OVER 2 MILLION PEOPLE DOWNLOADED THE GAME AND THE GAME HAD AROUND 100K PLAYER BASE CONSTANTLY.

People love this game. BUT its very clear that things will not stay the same reguardless of what we say. PVP will NOT be as heavy on full release reguardless of pve or not. It never was intended to be a strict pvp game that lasted ten minutes. It was just a test guys, relax, take a breather, watch some dark and darker twitch or youtube vids, and dream of this dark future we are going to watch unfold.

[gentle ice]

You are talking about a hypothetical game where they have already enabled a PVE only mode and then talking about solutions? Wtf lmao

[twilit orbit]

Tbh people crying about gear/classes/needing pve only are just low skill

[gray gazelle]

just a question, did devs ever spoke that they will focus on PvE aspect in sacrifice of PvP?

[spiral wedge]

true, but also my point is having a pve server is not a great option. I do however think what TheOnlyBard suggested would help a little. Still tryhards there, but would temporarely help out a little i guess.

[tight rivet]

Not me that said that the sky would fall if they allowed for non-pvp. All I said was it would appeal to more people if both were an option.

[wispy onyx]

Do Ale rarities stack like different rarities of potions?

[tight rivet]

I would forget about that question at this point, the game may be totally different when it returns on fine details like that.

[gray gazelle]

this somehow reminds me of old Tibia where you had an option to play on non-pvp, normal pvp and enforced pvp servers, but it took so many resources that I have no idea if devs have enough money at start

[gentle ice]

Making a game appeal to everyone usually kills it in my experience. WoW and Halo come to mind. When it comes to pleasing everyone you really make a mediocre game. I find the best games just specialize on what they are already good at

[gray gazelle]

this is actually bitter truth

[tight rivet]

The irony to the current game design for me thinking about it is, even if there was no pvp most runs everyone could get out cause half the players died to the pve stuff. Other then greed or just because they want to do pvp most of the time you didn't have to kill anyone to escape.

Think about how many players WoW in particular has, If that's your defination of "killed" then everyone wants a dead game. (8 million players, 4.6 million subs, and its almost 20 years old.)

[gentle ice]

Halo still has plenty of players too, I’m talking enjoyment, not stock-share price

[calm mirage]

they never even said there WOULD be a pve mode.

they stated that the time frame, aka the 10 minutes was to higthen pvp test data.

AKA gathering data to see if things need fixing, balancing, nerfing, buffing, etc.

PEOPLE who desire pve might just get what they want but in a round about way, aka the maps may become bigger with less then last tests people per map, or maps might stay the same and the people amount become halved.

No one fully knows atm as far as i can see.
and really the desire for pve is most likely from casuals or people who know their skill gap lvl.

BUT people who say pve is bad or they don't want it in the game at all, are not focusing fully on the game or the longevity of the game. They want to kill people, they want to hunt, they like when low level noobs gather loot for them so they can kill them and take it.

Pve could be a whole other beast way down the line, heck could come out even after release. See how it goes. Or just adjust pvp so teams of people don't end up finding each other within the first 30 seconds of the match and get one tapped by a barb or archer.

i love the pvp and think its amazingly neat. ILL REPEAT THAT, I LOVE THE PVP IN THIS GAME, but still would love an OPTION to play pve with a friend or myself to relax, learn the game more, see more of the map, etc.

Again, PAST POSTS have made it very clear that pve would not connect with pvp, aka no trading, no character mixing, etc. So pvp wouldn't be affected by geared up pve farmers or whatever. Who ever doesn't want pve after reading this, doesn't care about the pve actually in the game, they care about less new people to kill in matches.

[gentle ice]

We are talking about a hypothetical, we fully understand that the company has not communicated desire in doing PVE only modes

[gray gazelle]

okay, thank you
we have nothing more left than just wait

[tight rivet]

Who knows, if they don't have everyone on top of each other and its not so easy to encounter people than it may be fine. I personally just didn't enjoy about 6-7 runs in a row where I died to someone within 20-30 seconds of the start of the match because they started nearly on top of me.

[gentle ice]

Skill isssssuuuue

[calm mirage]

sorry friend, i mostly knew it was hypothetical, but a lot of people keep pushing pve down just simply cause. " would be too easy " and i keep thinking " the first dev game tester was said to have died from the very first mob they saw" and the idea of the game being "too easy" makes me kinda feel, well not mad, but upset, cause it feels like a few people are trying to say
"oh, you want no pvp, pfft, you want a super easy game then" after i watch solo game after solo game where at least 5 or more people die from goblins or even mummies.

the game is not easy, it just has some very good skilled people at the top.
But i think ive said what ive needed.

gonna talk about more happy things, like what races could they bring in or what other weapons they might add

[tight rivet]

You actually have no way of knowing, if there was a major gear disparity the problem would be virtually the same. There is a lot to have to learn just dealing with the pve stuf and the mechanics, someone coming swinging at you with a axe and ending your game isn't going to help that.

[calm mirage]

BTW

are there throwable spears in the game? Never saw them but i may have just never encountered any. And if there arn't none, does anyone think that would be a good weapon addition to the gear?

[gray gazelle]

this is interesting because when we started playing with friends we died non stop in first minutes, after few hours we understood that because we lack skills we should focus on sneaking and listening for estimated localisation of players, after we finished I watched some videos how people play for ex. wizard and I finally understood that I played it wrong

[tight rivet]

I think the only throwables are knives, throwing axes. spears would be... seems like overkill or would have a range of about 2 foot

[cloud raft]

when game

[gentle ice]

Yeah I like the story that the dev does to the first mob they encountered. I’m a fan of great difficulty. The idea that they slowly scale the difficulty by adding more levels sounds fun. More risk, more loot. I’d agree to them spacing us out more at the starting floor but as things get Harding putting us more and more together

[raven lava]

Anyone know what the legendary/named dagger is called? And also, what is it's special ability?

[calm mirage]

yep, just a learning curve.
Won lots of matches by beaing sneaky, or just running from groups sometimes.
or even being a rat and attacking a player while they were busy with a mob.

heck my most fav one was when i actually died, but i attracted a wrath to me and i let myself die in front of it, so the other two people who chased me got instantly chased them and killed them

[calm mirage]

And not to mention that they already have a lvl 1 stage/map in the works that we might see next game testing. its supossed to be easyer then the forgotten castle map cause that map is a lvl 2 map apprently.

which means, aka casuals and new players might get what they want without even affecting the game

[gentle ice]

Seems like a good addition. Plus who doesn’t like more levels!

[fathom oxide]

There aren't currently any throwing spears. Also I wanted pve as well when I started but it really is just a skill issue. LVL 1 map will be easier anyway, and will probably scratch the itch that people have for a more relaxing experience

[rustic moat]

maybe i was paying too much attention to where it was starting compared to when it ended ill have to see next test :T

[calm mirage]

See, everyone wins.
More maps
slightly easier playstyle
But keeps the risks and rewards cause, well, no one said the lvl 1 map is lvl capped, so expect high lvl players to go in there for some casual, hunting.

[tight rivet]

Having somewhere where you can concentrate on learning the mechanics of stuff in a, somewhat?, safer environment likely isn't a bad thing.

On the healing thing it does seem silly you can heal the enemy in front of you (goblin) if you happn to aim wrong. I think healing undead should hurt them. 😛 (which is a fairly stock d&d thing I think.)

[rustic moat]

https://youtu.be/wkVwwZoOyTw?t=15318 this is a perfect example with the largest shield in the game being useless on jermas stream hes and arrows going straight through it :T

[calm mirage]

lots of people want a trainning ground like the lobby so they can test weapons, spells, etc.

[wraith yew]

I do think people should be able to load into the training hall when they want if they want to see how much damage their skills and gear will do.

I never tested spells in the waiting area since it would use them up in the actual game which also felt wrong.

[thin vale]

XD lol what does that matter not like it gives them a advantage. they are going to already know pretty well how much damage and how strong they are if they payed attention to stats and knew how to build there class right training room the dumys where not to just see how much damage you can do then going oh next time ill get stronger the gear literally says the stats and u have a drop down menu with ur current stats and can try on shit and see them go up or down a training guide would be good though for any beginners took me a while to figure out how to play what what class i was good with and how to even get out i knew nothing at all till this play test it was my first one

[twilit orbit]

Training ground sounds like a decent idea but it will for sure lead to min/max spreadsheet meta and people will only ever use 1-2 specific stats

Look at any game with damager meters it turns into cancerous garbage while people try to optimize every drop of fun out of the game lol

[thin vale]

even without the room you'll go in and see how many hits it takes to take down something and figure it out that way anyway

[thin vale]

yea this is kind of tru specially the fact in HR people had spawns memorized and would just go right to them to get your gear

[swift grove]

I mean, min/maxing will happen no matter what, training grounds wont stop that. There's already guides and tierlists etc right now

[calm mirage]

people already started to do some of that and its only a playtest and early alpha or whatever.
barbs and wizards could be op as balls with the right gear, skills and abilities.

But thats what it is, playtest. Data.
its an online game, things will be sure to change and update. have faith.

[thin vale]

yup

[twilit orbit]

It will at least slow it down, you have to go in with specific gear and risk losing it to test the damage. You cant just spawn in/out keeping different sets of gear until you reverse engineer the stat/dmg equations

[thin vale]

again u can basically know ur damage with the stats and looking at ur own stats .... and they lose it they just buy another or diff one trades happen a lot i was able to get the same kit anytime i wanted

[twilit orbit]

There are for sure curve points and soft caps on how much stats contribute to damage that are not shown on your character stats. I will all be solved eventually i guess

[astral seal]

The Holy Light does damage undead when it hits them, only the weaker heal doesn't, sanctuary does as well.

[thin vale]

also using the training room with the gear the matches happen so fast u still go in with that gear so with or without it ur still gonna seee what does max damage

[sweet raptor]

when next playtest? (around which months?)

[thin vale]

2 years maybe 10

[fathom oxide]

they said late march/april i think

[sweet raptor]

thanks god its only 30 days

[thin vale]

hopefully maybe they'll wait longer and have it released

[sweet raptor]

DnD is one of the best games which i ever met in my life legit im so addicted to it

[thin vale]

yeaa

[silver pond]

Is there a link to support the devs? Like a patreon or cash app? Honest to god I wanna celebrate them abit for giving an awesome game. I hope they have different versions of the game at release! I’d definitely buy the biggest one to show my support. I don’t get to game a lot, but this was so nice to play and I’ve been a fan since the second beta test!

[rustic moat]

the games already going to turn into this its just how comp games go...

[idle kayak]

So why are KOREANS still playing D+D playtest? IM JEALOUS MAN.

[merry gorge]

Are they still planning on adding more classes in coming play tests? Think it would be a cool mega change for a few like monk being able to move quickly and paladin being halfway between cleric and fighter.

[marble tinsel]

It would be nice. But i think its better to Focus first the actually Classes before threy bring new one

[near harness]

No more support classes/healing PLEASE. Cleric and wizard have broken spells already

[merry gorge]

Yeah I agree. But it would be cool I think specifically for another spell caster like bard. Because I think bard would be like cleric but with spells based more on distraction and debuffs rather than heals and buffs.

[merry gorge]

I’m not sure if I would call it broken but it is strong. I think rather than nerf them I think a non spell caster buff would be cooler

[marble tinsel]

Forget this. Wizard is a Skill Class. Solo absolutly HARD to play and Survive. But in Team S+ Tier. But he is not Broken xD

Hunters could be made weaker. but the other classes seem pretty balanced. Barb need a little Buff maybe

[merry gorge]

Yeah I agree. I don’t think any class is necessarily broken unless played right but that’s just skill. I think a weak ranged option for rogue would balance them nicely like a hand crossbow.

[muted hornet]

I feel like players dont account for the learning curve of characters. I feel like Barbarian is pretty easy and quick to pickup and start doing well, vs. the struggle bus that is learning Wizard. But once mastered the Wizzard is 1000% better if that makes sense

[brittle parcel]

Would anyone happen to know if we got to keep the items we had on our characters when they closed the playtest? I was atm trying to extract from the 2nd lvl

[silk wadi]

i dont think we get to keep the items from the playtests

[honest nova]

does anyone know when the game will come back?

[thick elk]

U Will start The next playtest fresh, meaning u dont have gear / character

[median solar]

Is early access actually in 2 months?

[neat bramble]

that's what they estimated for best case, in my opinion it's likelier to be beginning of May given it's that soon already

[vague lodge]

Besides the fact that they stated that balancing is a second-grade topic right now (reasonably so, as many of the features that will be in place in the end for the classes, as well as some classes themselves, aren't here yet):

PVP Balancing is hard to achieve across all skill levels.
For example, nn lower skill levels, rogues rampage you with their MS and attack speed, whatever the class. Same with playing against Rangers.

On medium skill levels, barbs and clerics begin to be disgusting. You learned how to fight rogues and how to get close to rangers when they don't have supreme high ground, put can't melee through barbs health pool with them two-shooting you and don't have the (team) means to get through to a cleric outhealing and -buffing every effort.

On high skill levels, wizards are an insane threat. They know all the wits and knits of their spells and can basically solo-wipe a geared party, all whilst being sufficiently covered by their team.

Demanding balance is therefore - in my opinion - somewhat futile as it will always effect different skill-levels differently. Therefore it should always be considered very carefully where those balancing changes will take place, if that is wanted and how it effects majority/minority playerbase.

---

Biggest and from my point of view most interesting balancing aspect will be the PVE one therefore. So that indeed many "cheese-tactics" for mini-bosses, as well as the main bosses themselves get either obsolete, or are somewhat on-par with the tactics melee classes can apply (we all know what I'm talking about).

That's what I'm personally looking forward to. 🙂

[dapper umbra]

Can the Italian role be added in the role choose section?

[round ginkgo]

April may

[drifting whale]

mentioned every class but fighter mby fighter needs a change

[merry snow]

Do we know every class that will be in the full launch? Obviously I know of the 6 in the last playtest (idk if there were different classes in the earlier ones) but the steam bio page mentions there will be a bard so I was wondering if there were any others we knew

[twilit orbit]

@merry snow the CEO has talked about sorcerers too in interviews but nothing is confirmed for what will be available on launch

[twin salmon]

Are there going to be different races to play as at some point that give small bonuses to certain traits?

[astral apex]

they had elf and skeleton so i assume yes

[twin salmon]

Did those give a bonus or just a different skin? I didn't have a chance to use either.

[astral apex]

elf was -1 strength +1 agi, skele was -10 armor +10 magic res

[twin salmon]

Thank you

[analog escarp]

blue torch all the way

[tall tundra]

whens the next playtest?

[jolly lintel]

Class dwarf? Its a good tank add him pls

[deep crypt]

next playtest should be in around 6-7 weeks, if all goes well.

[wraith yew]

My worry with dwarf is if their character model is actually smaller, allowing for shields to cover more of their body. Unless shield size scales with race size or something but trying to hit a shield sized body behind a shield sounds nightmarish

[deep crypt]

It wont probably affect height all that much, and besides that either the legs or the head will still be open. Plus you are probably gunna lose something like speed if you pick that class

[vale inlet]

I can't imagine dwarf not being +10 Physical Protection (?) Lower Speed and a smaller character model. But they would never have a character that can just walk through crouch holes

[fathom oxide]

No that's early access

[tacit yew]

how much of the game whene he is on steam

[cyan iris]

Question: what do I do know that I can’t play this game

[paper hatch]

Question: Do you have stats on how many items were purchased through the goblin merchant?

[fossil fog]

Are they implementing any sort of MMR or ELO matchmaking? I really hope not

[royal wind]

I highly doubt they'll add dwarfs unless they rework combat
my bet is on orcs/half orcs as next cosmetic race
or maybe some other fantasy race, who knows

[versed egret]

This is the core part of survival pvp game design which they’ve said they’d preserve. All of the people complaining haven’t really played much of the game. You will get clapped a lot when you’re starting out. Survival is not friendly to new players. But the charm of the game is when you start out getting clapped and strive to improve instead of giving up and eventually succeeding.

[fossil fog]

So no MMR right? Based on levels, gear, skill etc. that’s perfect western games are ruined by MMR

[versed egret]

Nah, again that’s the base of pvp survival.

[chilly ether]

Yep, MMR ruins this type of game anyway.
Extraction Looter type of game relies on you being smart at choosing encounters for it to be fun.
Having MMR, thus making you know that everyone is equally geared and skilled as you make it more of a Ranked Battle Royale than Extraction Looter

[wise umbra]

ya, extraction looter like this has no place for MMR. I agree

[marble kraken]

Yo guys when it comes out in early access in april / may will it perma be available to play until release?

[versed egret]

They’ve said that yes #dev-qna-archives

[rare path]

whats mmr? like skill based match making? idont think this game needs that maybe in some kind of casual mode late into the games life but def not the base game

[versed egret]

It means match making rating but yeah, it’s against the base design of extraction looters

[rare path]

talking about the game just makes mne want to play again 😦 only game ive enjoyed in a bit

[elder flame]

i dont have friends to play with for the game and i dont know any way to use my single eye vision to do something fast enough to switch items out while the play test was going on

[ocean yarrow]

what they are even upgrading on game or fixing?

[broken fable]

id say practice makes perfect but in this case we can practice :((((

after playing this game every other game doesnt seem fun to me

[marble kraken]

I 100% agree

[elder flame]

yeah i think my right eye feild of vision is just making any game harder to watch out for attacks if not melee

[broken fable]

im sure youll get used to the game once were all able to play more given it may be harder for u but youll get there also if u need someone to play with when it drops add me

[zinc dove]

How much cash would it take to get the play test back up? There’s gotta be a fan who’s got enough disposable cash to bribe the play-test back online and boost the development… right?

[broken fable]

if i had the money i would :(((

[nova laurel]

is there a know release date? Will there be MTX in the finished game? Whats gonna be the cost to get into the game when its coming out?

[elder flame]

get me merch please

[crude lantern]

Q2 2023 early access. Cost is unknown. MTX is still up in the air, but nothing confirmed by devs.

[elder flame]

a banner merch cups, t shirts a hoodie then again i have MS so it be good to have a thin coat that works when it's extreamly hot out like during a heat wave type of coat

[broken fable]

t shirts and hoodies are great but i think a full set of armor would be better merch 😂

[vernal shuttle]

What is Q2?

[versed egret]

2nd quarter, it’s april/may to be exact

[broken fable]

second quarter of the year

[dense vigil]

Second quarter

[vernal shuttle]

Just to make sure it mean second quarter

Good thing I have leave saved up

[ivory badge]

Bro it's not a playtest coming it's EA it'll be going till launch Q4
I know you wanna game but don't waste your leave when you have the time to play it I'd keep it for something special like a Event.

[elder flame]

why dont they have a play with bots to help with skill and you dont get to use any of the items gained online?

[vernal shuttle]

its use or lose, its not just for the game. I'm going to the Nuremberg ring as well. what is EA exactly, im kinda confused then if its not another test or whatever

[ivory badge]

I suggest finding a holiday that is soon and fake getting sick the day after and make sure it's a day from the day you have off and you get around 3-4 days off free days without taking leave

[ivory badge]

Early access it's gonna become a partial release but there's 1 more playtest March EA is April may

[vernal shuttle]

oh i see, cant wait then. ill have like 100 leave days by OCT so i have to use 30. im already ETSing at the end of this year so there isnt a point in visiting. also why is it such a bad thing?

[ivory badge]

Bro has infinite leave days

[steady arch]

how do you get to play test dark and darker

[thick acorn]

the game was available for everyone the last week, it just ended a few days a go

[steady arch]

ahhh

[grim raven]

How do I get access to the game?

[versed topaz]

why not able to play?

[devout crater]

WONDERING WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT PAGE IS GONNA BE UPDATED !

[random vault]

The playtest has ended to all of those wondering why they cannot play.

[unique vapor]

😭

[versed topaz]

be back soon ooooorrrrrr???

[lunar blaze]

Never

[ocean yarrow]

How or wher they pay game maintenance?

And how much

[cold geyser]

how much time on average has the downtime between each playtest been and is there another one to be expected?

[bitter steeple]

Will there be more classes added in the future?

[small hornet]

early access early april/may, look in #❓faq channel

[cold geyser]

that answered zero of my questions

[nova flame]

It’s pinned in general chat, it looks like it’s usually a month or two though in between them

[broken fable]

can we have netherite armor pls

[kind badger]

It's usually like a month - month and a half.

[quiet idol]

Can you add Armadyl Godsword to dark and darker?

[reef hawk]

Bard is confirmed. Druid/Sorcerer/Necro are rumoured.

[ivory badge]

Yeah they're doing a magic update but then we will have 8 magic and 4 non magic a Lil uneven

[reef hawk]

Eh, the concept of magic/non-magic classes in this game is a little diluted. Bard can very easily be introduced as a frontline class that doesn't scale with will/knowledge. It's a miscelaneous archetype. They can do whatever they want with it so if they want to even things up then they'll probably take that route.

I used to dedicate years of my life to a game where they had Bard as a playable class and its playstyle was to go all-in with iron knuckles as their main weapon.

[ivory badge]

Spells is what I mean dog

[reef hawk]

Dude everyone has spells if you think about it xd

[pliant birch]

I want the bards weapon to be the instrument
Let me beat people with a lute

[odd leaf]

The bard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec3wNNysg8A

[lunar shoal]

Can someone help me figure out how to download the game i dont see a download button on steam or cant figure out how to get beta

[brazen thunder]

You can't download it anymore its unavailable until next playtest
@lunar shoal sadly no dates have been announced yet so nobody knows

[lunar shoal]

oh no, do you know when the next play test would be ?

[lunar shoal]

ok thank you

[ivory badge]

Those are classifies abilities

[arctic ember]

are protection potions affected by your resistances?
like does it take less damage if I have higher resist, etc
or is it separate from any of my personal stats

[placid bluff]

Anyone got dm abt Dark and Darker cheats?

[cerulean ridge]

Some others have i think so yes wike, report them to do the devs/mods

[fathom thistle]

That's insane

[plush sphinx]

necro sounds goofy and dumb. dont write dumb things.

[deep plume]

yea me and your mom used them together last night 😎

[fathom thistle]

Guys he was asking if anyone else got DMed by a phisher about cheats.

I feel like the game already has a big chunk of classes and items to enjoy. I hadn't even considered there being more

[dawn plaza]

You can shoot me a DM with a screenshot 🙂

[dawn plaza]

Please be nice

[placid bluff]

your life is a lie, kindly

[deep plume]

ok 👌

[reef hawk]

dumb things? Shut the fuck up I'm just saying what is rumoured. The only confirmed class is bard. Calm the fuck down

[cerulean ridge]

Relax lads, this is one of the good channels to have a chat in

[fathom thistle]

Heed your own advice, and be nice

[reef hawk]

Rude people must be replied with the same rude energy

[deep plume]

This server baffles me

[fathom thistle]

I disagree, seems like a good way to escalate

[deep plume]

I'm escalating my relationship with your mom 😎

[cerulean ridge]

Its not confirmed necro though right? I thought its either necro or warlock who knows at this point tbh

[plush sphinx]

classless and lame. delete this.

[deep plume]

your mom is classless and lame 😎

[cerulean ridge]

idk why but your mom jokes always gives me a chuckle, shows my age sadge

[fathom thistle]

I think a new mid-range class could be pretty cool. I can see druid, warlock, or sorc being in that role

[cerulean ridge]

yeah i'm deffs keen to see a druid class

[fathom thistle]

I can see them running into problems with 'creator' classes like a necro or artificer that spawn things. Game definitely can make it work but it's always tricky

[cerulean ridge]

Yeah they need to be careful with summoning classes. Could end up being too powerful or a shit-show with your 'pets' cucking you and blocking exits or not fighting the right mob etc

[marsh basalt]

bard and sorcerer are confirmed

[fathom thistle]

Yeah the problems I can see happening are more related to hitboxes and movement rather than the balance itself, also it's already easy to get overwhelmed in a 1v2/3+pve, maybe if summoned creatures could be walked through? Like ghosts or something

[cerulean ridge]

It will be interesting to see if/how they can make a druid capable of shapeshifting but if someone wanted the option to be more caster like there are talents/abilities to accommodate both. Yeah etheral creatures that can't block you from getting to the main target could work

[dapper totem]

Yeah they already talked about druid saying they specifically want an "animal shape shifting power" on it

[fathom thistle]

I had a chuckle when I saw your name typing Dante -

Speak of the druid and he shall appear

[dapper totem]

I'm always just waiting for druid 🌲

[cerulean ridge]

Awesome

[glacial terrace]

whens the next playtest slated for ?

[autumn crag]

i can't wait to shapeshift into a rat and steal everyone's shit

[fathom thistle]

Hahaha I hadn't even thought of that. Shapeshift>lurk while a teamfight happens>loot quickly>run

[glacial terrace]

whens the next playtest slated for ?

[fathom thistle]

Bro did you ask in every channel without reading anything

[vivid gorge]

is blue rarer than green or is it the other way around?

[cerulean ridge]

blue is rarer than green

[molten talon]

Grey white green blue purple gold

[vivid gorge]

ty

[plain fjord]

and then after that us the 'unique' color, and then 'named' is most rarest items

[hazy marsh]

you forgot yellow

[cerulean ridge]

Grey, white, green, blue, purple, gold, greenish gold and named items. I think

[hazy marsh]

poor > normal > uncommon > rare > epic > legendary > unique is the order

[lunar quest]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-dark-and-darker-skeleton-piano-gif-27256321

[dapper totem]

Most likely it'll be early access which they are aiming for in April. The EA would run till the launch of 1.0 slated for Q3.

[ivory badge]

The gold is yellow 😵‍💫

[plain fjord]

that's a fat nope

[ivory badge]

It goes white green blue dark purple Danish gold, and Light gold

[plain fjord]

danish gold is a color everyone understands 🍭

[ivory badge]

Nah my bad Danish is darker it's pale greenish yellow so I was wrong ;c

Colors be like blue darker blue light blue, and then purple brown greenish grayish blue

[fleet gate]

any dates on when or if pre-ordering will be available. I'd love to pre order and support development if at all possible

[hallow cosmos]

Hell if a permanent "playtest" came out rn id be happy paying $20+ for it

slowmode is faster here than general chat W

[fiery lava]

hello

[pulsar raven]

I feel kinda empty. I had to work so I didn´t play the playtest so much. Only 24,5 hours aren´t enough

[hallow cosmos]

I know thats why i quoted it, but an early access wouild technically be a release and I know theyre not ready to do that yet

[fiery lava]

dont want to release the game? dont just let me play please PLEASE

[hallow cosmos]

Anyone here play csgo or sum im bored and playing a game alone sucks ass but all my friends play games I stopped playing (and dark and darker)

[fiery lava]

i have rust im just a total noob

[hallow cosmos]

I got like 2.5k hours on rust, but I havent been feeling it since like 4 months ago.. I just dont like it anymore ig

[fiery lava]

same thing happens to me but with wow

[hallow cosmos]

off-topic chat has 30 second slowmode lol'

[ocean kelp]

what is the cooldwon for th caltrops?

[hallow cosmos]

I think 25 seconds right

[fathom thistle]

Some are single use and need campfires to 'recharge', some have multiple, others are timer cooldowns

[loud citrus]

any estimated times when next play test will be up

[fathom thistle]

#the-tavern pins

[loud citrus]

when this game goes into early access will it cost money?

[rain bison]

from what ive heard is there supposed to be a floor easier than the current f1

[fathom thistle]

All that info is in the pins/announcements in this discord

[waxen jackal]

GIB US DARK AND DARKER NOW

[median solar]

is there going to be another playtest between now and april/may early access? if everything goes well ofc

[severe lark]

Will there be opportunities for people to work on this game?

[steady fjord]

I doubt it but if you're serious you should contact their business email and not ask on a discord q and a

[severe lark]

ok will do

[tight rivet]

I don't hink anyone knows but, maybe?

[buoyant latch]

Don't forget to send the resume

[worthy helm]

you guys rly cant read announcement channel?

[tight rivet]

Where does it say that there will, or won't be another playtest? That looks a lot like "we don't know for sure when exactly, and maybe." to me.

[worthy helm]

We will announce news regarding the next playtest once we have a chance to digest this data and build a schedule.

[tight rivet]

A lot is going to depend on what else they need/want to know and when. None of that comment from them says when or if there will be a playtest between now and april/may. Heck, it also doesn't specifically say when early access either.

[vague rapids]

I wish we had a date soon at least. but I have faith. I may just buy it if they really are going full release.

[worthy helm]

It literally say there will be one more playtest wtf are u saying, we just dont know the date

[tight rivet]

I even nearly said, even they don't have a schedule as they haven't had enough time to digest the info they just got, and that was without having to have read that.

[vague rapids]

like they say in the darktide forums: Next Week.

[steady fjord]

if you keep saying next week, you'll eventually be correct.

[tight rivet]

Unless you miss that it started the week you are on then you would skip over it. Mostly just need to be patient with them.

[cerulean ridge]

not wrong there lols

[steady fjord]

then surprise! its early!! woooo

[serene copper]

Can you guys put the Named unique items in a rarity of their own? Something like "Artifact" or "Mythic" with a different color than normal unique items?

[median solar]

Who is this an issue for now? Probably nobody, so it’ll be a while

They might do it later down the line though

[fathom thistle]

This is a good idea for clarity, especially if you're speed looting it's easy to brush past named items

But as GigaChaddimus said probably not high priority

[plain scaffold]

ooh maybe a blue rarity

[fathom thistle]

Rare?

[plain scaffold]

OOPS LOL like a cyan tho, ever play borderlands? like that cyan was nice, or black would be dope

[fathom thistle]

I was just thinking about BL, the unicorn guns or the glitch guns had nice bright names

[plain scaffold]

black would be kinda hard to see tho

[paper quarry]

it'd get confused with your shitty start gear too since that's dark grey

[fathom thistle]

I think another way to do it would be to have the item icon/frame/border be very bright and shiny. Keep the name tag the same but have the item icon itself stand out easily

[fathom crow]

Im pretty sure its brown

[timber palm]

If they have a higher tier then unique for named items make em gold

[brittle parcel]

I'd like to see not exactly skill based match-making, but more like gear based matchmaking. Doing runs with basics was kinda hard when ya get party wiped by a dude with purple gear that decided to not run highroller

[smoky briar]

My idea was that the lobby matchmaking should be based on "Hours Played": With the following tiers: People with <50 Hours, People with 51-200 hours and people with 200+ hours (whoever has most hours in pre-made party decides the lobby tier)

Because 50 hours is about an average timespan for an average person to learn the map and the game to be an adequate opponent, instead of having hardcore grinding veterans farm complete newbies. @kindred karma then your friend would be carried by a veteran player and would have to learn in a veteran lobby

[kindred karma]

what would it be like if someone were to join a new friend?

like i mean say i have 200 hrs, my buddy downloads the game, so i play with him, say he invites me and we match make under him technically, ik some games have work arounds in match making if the person doesn’t represent the party in skill

also i feel like that might cause a drop off of players in the newer lobbies at some point, or the easily exploitable thing of just getting a new acc and transferring your gear if the game releases for free like i’ve heard it might

idk that feels like a weird system, i like the previously suggested gear based match making, say it checks for stats or the cost of gear in general cuts the ppl running the starter kit out from the people running actual kits, meaning easier starter runs and better loot for the people who run actual kits.

[smoky briar]

gear based matchmaking will rob much of the fun from the game, one of the best things that can happen is if you slay a full purple-wearing dude with your rusty grey axe in the face. the reason for hours played hidden matchmaking is so that the fights would be more even "skill-wise" so that hardcore vets can fight other formidable opponents and newbies can learn how to pwn each other. Also if people want to abuse it and "smurf" as in every other game this just means more money for the devs with minimal impact to newbie lobbies.

[kindred karma]

is the game going to be for free or is it going to be a pay to play? i’ve heard from a fair amount of people it’s planned to be free, which would make smurf’s an actual issue and not just extra money, and i imagine it being an optional thing would be appreciated, i don’t want to have to waste my time in a lobby killing people with starter kits when i am running a decent kit, i shouldn’t have to go to high roller to not be put in a practically naked lobby

[smoky briar]

no, its going to be buy 2 play, 40$ to 60$. thats why smurfing would actually lowkey benefit the game 😄

[kindred karma]

ah that’s news to me, yeah, i personally just dislike the amount of naked or starter kit i would fight when i had gear, it was just annoying finding a wiping like 2-3 squads and NOBODY having any gear, not an enjoyable experience for either side as i get nothing and the people i kill don’t get a fair chance against me

[smoky briar]

As an average player myself, what really ruins the experience is to have decent greens/blues and then get farmed by 3-man streamer squads doing their kill farm challenges

[kindred karma]

even if you’re more experienced than someone, give a noob the best armor and best weapon and give a mid range player a starter or budget kit and the noob will still win, either way it should be optional

[smoky briar]

nah, starter grey level 1 veteran can beat a newbie in full purples 9 out of 10 from my experience. I've killed plenty of decked out people with nothing but grey hatchet on my barb

[orchid valve]

It comes down to game knowledge. Tarkov is similar - you can beat chads if you have superior map knowledge

[pallid osprey]

I agree with this point, but to be fair barb is a special case since they are very strong with minimal gear, including starting gear, and their abilities give them armor pen so the difference between a fully geared fighter and an ungeared one is minimized for a short while. If you were instead a fresh spawned rogue, fighting a fully geared fighter, even if your opponent is playing for the first time, it would take way too long to kill him, and he would likely get hits on you occasionally

[smoky briar]

well, Wizards can do the same thing, it really also depends on which map and which part of the map the encounter takes place. The most important aspect of this game is still how well you know your surroundings, your enemy and how to navigate those obstacles for maximum advantage. Gear is secondary. If you meet fully plated out fighter in goblin caves as level 1 rogue, you can still create some fuckery for him just by pulling tons of mobs and de-aggroing with stealth and less experienced fighter would get rekt while it would take an experienced rogue to pull it off in the first place.

So technically any matchmaking should be gated based on hidden mmr (if not simply hours played) based on kdr-extractions-score etc. but very loosely to avoid long queues etc.

[pallid osprey]

I agree with this first part, but i disagree with the matchmaking for this type of game. I think for this game its inherently better for players to choose their own "difficulty" to an extent like we currently have with normal and highrollers, but maybe have even more levels of difficulty.

This would allow players to choose "harder" content and by implication players to face, for the prospect of better loot, while also allowing newer players to use better gear if they want to, in "easier" content to bump up their odds of success. Ofc there would be risks to this aswell

[smoky briar]

There were a lot of decked out streamers, veterans with high hours just completely facerolling newbies who were just learning how to dance with mobs in the last days of playtest both in goblin caves and normal castle, my friend who i got into playing was being perma farmed by those premades or solos in goblins and was kinda frustrated simply because there were more people just running down the map looking for pvp than average players farming-trying to escape and i had to do a lot of encouraging to keep him from rage quitting 😄 Thats why I still think that a passive matchmaking mechanic allowing people with less than 20 hours of gametime to have their own separate lobbies would be a positive thing. Something like a tutorial mode basically, so if they meet a player at least they have some kind of chance for a decent fight and therefore build their appetite for more and more while also getting prepared to fight more skilled-experienced people.

[fathom thistle]

Perhaps a queue for <lv15 and then once a char is maxed you get bumped into the mass pool

[smoky briar]

nah, that would just make vets create new chars all the time which they already do, if its account-bound and game costs money then at least devs profit from people smurfing and the amount of smurfs would not be significant to disrupt the system

[pallid osprey]

I can see that some people would get discouraged by this, but like you said i think there was external circumstances making people spam lobbies with full purple gear, being the playtest ending. I dont think this is standard behaviour. And to provide the opposite argument, i also got rushed by these players who did no looting or anything and just ran through looking for pvp, and that actually taught me to play the game way better, utilizing invis potions, leaving some mobs alive to trick people into thinking the room hasnt been looted, hiding better, always listening for footsteps etc. In conclusion getting facerolled made me improve, and most importantly realize that i NEEDED to improve and subsequently want to.

[smoky briar]

the amount of level 20s in full purples in goblin caves was pretty sick considering the fact there were a lot of level <5 players just trying to figure the shit out, which can just cause too many rage quits instead of motivation. There's a difference between having a small chance and having 0 chance. People need to have their carrot with slim chance instead of that carrot constantly being taken away to keep them motivated to re-queue imo.

[smoky briar]

I spent too many hours and at the last days I also just wanted to run down the doors and look for pvp, personally each time I found a starter gear newbie who got 1shot I was disappointed because I just wanted to have someone to dance with and throw some franchescis at 😄 e.g. I didnt need anything to grind from mobs and I just wanted to pvp nonstop but i didnt just want to farm newbies with 0 challenge either. I tried High Roller solo but surprisingly the amount of ppl cheating in playtest is also pretty cringe edit: also, the amount of time it actually takes to overcome these frustrations as newbie is pretty considerable for people with full time jobs and actual life, me and my friend are lucky enough to nolife 24h/7 if we want to, so he had a chance to overcome what i explained, but for average player i can see a week or more playing 2h a day and getting absolutely rekt each day

[pallid osprey]

So your reason for suggesting matchmaking is behaviour that you yourself participated in. Thats essentially you being a problem and telling the game to fix it

[gilded skiff]

my personal hope/belief is that similar to other games like this (Tarkov being the best example), after a point the "geared" players will self select into more valuable areas - the playtest is so brief and the loot tables are so inflated that people go full gear in low roller right now, but longer term that's not really... affordable. People can do it if they WANT but they're basically committing 2-4k gold kits to a dungeon that will earn them an average of 1-200 gold profit. Not very commonplace when an economy scales up and last longer than a few days.

Hopefully release of dungeon lvl1 will help this, giving a higher granularity to the loot tables so people with those middling-kits have somewhere to be (instead of current, where if you have better than greens you're dominant in lowroller, but if you have less than purples you're underkitted for HR)

[smoky briar]

it goes both ways, i dont want to "fight" complete newbies and i dont want newbies to be relentlessly farmed like cannon fodder, so yeah im asking the devs to fix it, just slightly so it would not change the overall system

[pallid osprey]

I personally enjoy not knowing who im gonna meet next, if its gonna be a new player unfortunate enough to be in my way, or a 3 man team in full god roll purples on their way to farm hell bosses

If theres matchmaking, my encounters are gonna grow stale so fast

[smoky briar]

for my excuse though, i did leave a bunch of newbies do their thing in peace instead of running them down

[gilded skiff]

for every near-stock threeman i would let go there was 2 more who'd rush me and my squad on sight lmao.

[smoky briar]

yeah thats why i only suggested a subtle fix that would not change the overall immersion of the game, you can have 3man team in god rolls in your lobby or a semi-newbie with 21 hours played. Instead of having 10 newbies doing their first 2 hours of gameplay and 3 man premade streamer group doing their kill farm challenges.

[crude copper]

Problem is most people are newbie or semi newbie. only about 5% of all players are geared like my team was so it was bad luck for most players.

[smoky briar]

e.g. your playtime is <20 hours, you get matched with other people with playtime <20 hours, if you are 20+ then you are expected to have enough experience to play with the big boys, that's literally all it would take to passively fix some of this stuff. consider it as a tutorial, it should not hurt anyone's experience unless you take joy farming complete newbies who are still learning how to kill a skeleton 😄

[pallid osprey]

Maybe, but i think 20 hours is a very long time to get comfortable against noobies and then suddenly you get thrown into the deep end. Its gonna be a very stark contrast

[steady fjord]

I feel like we don’t need to hand hold people

[fossil adder]

yeah

[smoky briar]

If you don't want to hand hold people, there needs to be a way to encourage/discourage experienced players to use normal castle/solo goblins as their own personal farm fest and strive them to play more high roller but i don't have a solution for this so i suggested something that could be a temporary fix for new playtest

[pallid osprey]

Exactly. Games do that all the time, they try to make the new player experience easier and easier and easier and softer and then we wonder why the remaining players want the game to become more casual friendly. Its because we were catering to casuals all along. Why do we treat new players as if they didnt come to this game for the same hardcore experience that the old players have? They are NEW players, not Newborns

If I joined a game known for its hardcore pvp, and that game was actively trying to shield me from it and treat me like i cant handle myself in the same environment as the old players, i would be freaking LIVID!!

[tawny crow]

The point of normal lobby is to get gear to go to high roller. If you are going into Normal lobby with Purple gear set and expectinging to find the same or better you're missing the point of the splitting the groups apart. One is to find some gear to go into high roller and some minor fights. High roller is primary pvp center and better gear and loot.

This is also why they remove leaderboard from Normals. Basically saying HA wasted your time if you're geared.

[smoky briar]

except its not working as intended right now, so there needs to be some kind of a fix to encourage new players to play not ragequit

[pallid osprey]

I came here as a new player, and im here to win, not to get babied around like im not fking worthy of even trying to play against experienced players

[steady fjord]

These types of games will always make people ragequit it’s just a fact of how the game is designed, things happening beyond your control won’t be fixed by separating the playerbase

[tawny crow]

Seems to be working for me. I can go in solo in normals and escape. They are also working on the solo map. You cant make it much easier for newbs at this point.

[steady fjord]

People also learn at different rates there’s still going to be some new players that will absolutely dominate the other new players in the freshie lobbies so it won’t fix a thing

[fossil adder]

this game is "unforgiving" after all

[smoky briar]

If you look at the streamers, then most of their time is spent on normal dungeons doing X challenges, farming newbies for kill challenges or whatever. High Roller is not incentivizing enough people, having a lobby mixed with people who are literally 2 hours into the game with people with 1000 hours is obviously not beneficial for either parties

[steady fjord]

It also stops people from playing with their friends, imagine introducing a friend and you can’t play with them cause they don’t have 20 hours ingame. That would be awful design as not everyone wants to be forced to play with randoms or solo for 20 hours

[smoky briar]

What would be your reasoning to have someone who is just learning to kill a skeleton having to compete with 3man party of veterans just farming kills for fun?
What do you think would be more beneficial for the longevity of the game, having fresh newbies gradually progress the first few hours of game to get hooked and wanting more or having the majority of them ragequit and uninstall?

[tawny crow]

streamers doing made up challenges
are too bad to get on the leaderboard
not just laughing at them and tell them why are they still playing in the kids pool
No way to fix some delusional players trying to power trip against players in basically a starter zone and level 1 while they are maxed out and completely geared. They'll just make a new character if need be.

[pallid osprey]

If they ragequit from dying in the game, then they werent meant to be here in the first place. Stop making it sound like the majority of new players coming to a game they KNOW is hardcore pvp, are looking to be babied around. Most people arent spineless btches

[steady fjord]

The game is addicting, it’s the type of game that’s going to make you upset but come back anyway, if you ragequit forever the game isn’t for you

[smoky briar]

No, thats not how it would work, you would play with 20+ hour lobby if you'd join an experienced friend obviously

@tawny crow thats why its not character based hours but account based hours

@pallid osprey Theres a difference between hardcore pvp and pvp with zero chance to win. People need to feel like they have at least some chance to be motivated to play. If you end up in 20 lobbies in a row where you get spawnkilled and ran over, most people would just feel they dont have time for this

[tawny crow]

What will deter more players and kill the game faster is if new player joins and is in a lobby by himself for every game for the next 20 hours also waiting for the full timer on the lobby.

[smoky briar]

You are looking at this from your own POV, try to look at this from an average dad POV who enjoys a challenge and hardcore pvp/gameplay but can just play 2 hours a day at most, it would take weeks to be able to have a chance to escape a dungeon, which is a bit overtuned, not because of game design but because of the playerbase's decisions

[pallid osprey]

So your solution is he would have to spend 10 days playing the game before he suddenly gets thrown into the deep end and all that loot he spent 10 days building up suddenly gets ripped away from him by experienced players, because he never learned how brutal the game actually is?
How are YOU not seeing this from the average dads perspective. YOu are only seeing it from your own perspective looking down on people.

You are a prick sir

[fathom thistle]

The rough truth is people who are super casual and can't afford to dedicate themselves to improve shouldn't care or get attached to loot

[steady fjord]

The chance of getting 20 lobbies in a row with geared or incredibly experince players is astronomically low and even then the rush you get from coming out on top against better geared players or when it’s not even numbers is apart of the games charm, it’s unforgiving but rewarding to play against better players

[smoky briar]

lol? the game is plenty brutal fighting equally experienced players and monsters as someone who barely has any game experience, having a hidden tutorial-setting where you get to fight other new players instead of being spam farmed is way different, it would also discourage veterans from setting up kill farm lobbies because they would not find complete newbies but instead they would find people who actually already have somewhat of a clue whats going on

[pallid osprey]

You are totally right

[tawny crow]

Instead of trying to change core mechanics of the game. Go belittle and make fun of those people with 1k+ hours running full purple in normal lobby for "kills" tell them they are bad and tell them they'll never make the leaderboards to a meaningful position.

[smoky briar]

It's like putting a someone who doesn't even know how to set up a chessboard yet pitting against grandmasters of chess and you think it's just fine 😄

[buoyant eagle]

sounds like skill issue

[steady fjord]

Well they literally won’t make it to leaderboards at all, as they only count high roller kills, kill farming in normals is pointless

[raw stone]

i got a question. that guy in party 1 voice chat seems to be playing dark and darker. is it just a video or is there a way to play some version of this now

[kindred kraken]

I killfarm in norms to feel better about myself

[smoky briar]

I like those cash tournaments where you have 3-man groups farming normal castle lobbies to see which team gets most kills, its a full day of 100+ giga-experienced veterans just destroying normal lobbies full of people trying to figure out how to dance with a skeleton 😄 good luck playing as a newbie during that day!