q-and-a

[winged girder]

Solo duo trio. Depends who's on

[glacial saffron]

truee

[blissful mortar]

trio camp is greatt

[cyan ibex]

found it more useful in the group setting. When you're running with multiple people and have plenty of heals, it's more of a icing on the cake kinda deal. A good top off between fights.

[glacial saffron]

well most people in crazy gear will go to highroller i would imagine so you could grind gear in normal mode

[blissful mortar]

also, lets not forget, camps refill spells

[cyan ibex]

yea

[blissful mortar]

cleric without camp is worthless

2 combats get you out of juice

[thorn dagger]

• The Trader's Guild changes will lead to people being able to buy good gear easier

[cyan ibex]

for me it just refills health, but ontop it also refills the clerics heals as well so it's really a must bring item

[glacial saffron]

and for real life money

[blissful mortar]

i mean, i think you can refill revive

[cyan ibex]

sheeesh

[blissful mortar]

havent tested it but it seems pretty bonkers

letting your warrior fight buffed to the death and getting 2 revives

[glacial saffron]

dude i swear i normally would never sell gold or anything in any games but if i find a unique worth 30-50$ it would be very hard for me to not sell it xD

[cyan ibex]

true tho can't stop that in any game lmao

[blissful mortar]

then you spam potions and he is up full again

[thorn dagger]

Oh god please no I don't want this to become actually Runescape

[winged girder]

Rmt will always be a thing. For some it's easier to work 4 hours and. Buy it than to grind 20 for a. Chance to get it

[blissful mortar]

but never a lifesteal weapon, that would be free hp to decent player x)

petty af

[cyan ibex]

yea idk if lifesteal would ever be a good idea, especially with rogues being a thing

[glacial saffron]

i would never buy anything but 50$ is a lot of money if you could just quick sell it

[blissful mortar]

i think it just a numbers game

rogues usualy die on the first tap so , anyways

[cyan ibex]

yea but if it's lifesteal on hit

[blissful mortar]

a mosquito bite can kill one probably, anemic ass

[cyan ibex]

and you aren't hitting hard

they'll refuse to fucking die

[blissful mortar]

0,5 to 1% per weapon getting lifesteal probably wouldnt be op

[winged girder]

Deoendsnif. It's flat rate or % lifesteal. I see pros. And cons of Both.

[blissful mortar]

thats the point of lifesteal

punishing people for not dealing damage back

im for it because it adds complexity to combat

draintankin is a thing

[glacial saffron]

1% would be 10 if you stack on every item and that would be indeed up. hitting for 200 damage while healing for 20 each hit is fucking dumb broken

[blissful mortar]

opposed to straight up stat tanking

[thorn dagger]

Lifesteal on hit would just buff Fast swinging weapons even more

[blissful mortar]

ye but also damage buffs are insane right now

[cyan ibex]

hasted rogues with lifesteal

I'd run in fear

[thorn dagger]

[blissful mortar]

you can also ad flat damage reductions to purple armors

as a roll

there is infinite ways to balance this out

i just hope they make combat engaging

more*

its already fun

[thorn dagger]

Idk that kind of sounds like "Yeah this is busted but they can just make everything else more busted to compensate" 😂

[blissful mortar]

im just not facinated by the "+damage + stat + armor" buffs on epic gear

its lazy

classes are super complex yet itemization is super basic

seems like a weird place to stand

[thorn dagger]

I agreed that the rolls on items shouldn't be flat bonuses

however lifesteal on hit would be just a flat bonus lol

[blissful mortar]

not really

lifesteal is a conditional stat

[thorn dagger]

There's no scenario where you wouldn't ever want that

[blissful mortar]

against a ranger that is spacing lifesteal is worthless

opposed to +strght, which already gives +hp

[thorn dagger]

Or that Ranger who is spacing will now be even harder to kill since he gets health back on hit lol

[blissful mortar]

yeh, that can happen

still, needs more flavor to tell

im not up just for lifesteal, its just a stat that stuck to people here

thorns on certain bodyparts, elemental damage and resistances, slows, crit reduction

a lot of stuff can be added

countless stuff

a thorns shield would be neat tbf

anyways, its 630 here, imma sleep, great talking to you guys

see ya later

[pseudo flame]

Anyone knows if they intend on adding a filter in the trade station, or an auction house place style like in other MMOs?

[smoky plaza]

I believe they said they will make it more convenient

[wispy thistle]

lifesteal on hit on slow, big damage weapons wouldn't be bad either

[glacial saffron]

yeah they will

[tropic summit]

Hey, I don't speak English natively, but can someone explain a point of vocabulary to me ? Why in D&D we talk about a "lobby" to qualify the whole area ingame, whereas in normal times it designates the area that the players join before the game. Thanks'

[magic hazel]

Queue is the place where you can start looking for a game and invite someone. Lobby is the place where you are waiting for other players and gather. Match/Run is the stage where you spawn

[plain fjord]

Lobby is like front room of office building, after character select is like you went to the lobby, now which floor you go to: store or join game or trade?

[prime venture]

<@&988703997378584596> (problem solved)

[dawn plaza]

Thanks

[tropic summit]

It's ok for me @magic hazel @plain fjord, but I don't unterstand why many players said "I clear the entire lobby", or "X kills lobby" in a youtube video, or "this lobby was easy" for example.

[restive cypress]

Can I sign up and ply the game now or do I have to wait till February?

[magic hazel]

It’s like a shortcut

Better to say “I killed entire lobby” than “killed entire players on the current run/match”

[tropic summit]

we have to wait :).

[tropic summit]

ok thx 🙂

[restive cypress]

So no one at the moment can sign up atm

[tropic summit]

exactly

[restive cypress]

Ok makes sense thank you

[magic hazel]

Gotchu

[plain fjord]

Oh in this context they are referring to the room of players as a lobby based on english gaming language — its just adoption of this word for this meaning in gaming over years

[tropic summit]

yes the inn' I suppose

[tropic summit]

but no problem to join at any time of the next playtest I guess, at least for the previous one there was no limited number of places.

[tranquil tundra]

is there anyway to play the beta still?

[prime venture]

no

[open mist]

Hey @dawn plaza 👋

[dawn plaza]

Hey 🙂

[earnest wigeon]

no beta yet, only alpha, next on is expected february during Steam event

[open mist]

For the warden applications there is " We are not currently not accepting applications " title, I talked with Timothy about my TR language chat suggestion + my warden application a few days ago, he said there is no estimated time for getting accepted or denied, he waited for 2 weeks for an example for a result. It has been a few days for me, do they consider applications that we sent before that text or even we applicated before it, still getting denied automatically ?

[mint skiff]

What @magic hazel and @plain fjord said, but it's worth mentioning that every player who enters the match lobby (or room of players, different from party lobby), will also be part of the upcoming match/game. So by killing every player in the match/game, you essentially killed this specific match lobby, or "cleared the lobby". Does this make sense?

[dawn plaza]

I don't know either but I will ask the team and get back to you 🙏

[tropic summit]

absolutely, thx 🙂

[queen coral]

will the skill tree system be in the next playtest?

[pseudo flame]

Does anyone know if there's any trace of dev commentary on whether or not they intend on making the trading easier? Filters, auction house, anything?

[storm nova]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mOyjH8sYxG5p2aZt_jlofP3-nsHjMnVsxgvqQHdBrjA/edit?usp=sharing

[dawn plaza]

Previous Warden applications will be considered

[jaunty comet]

make rapier destroy a barrel after no less than 10 strikes

[gilded phoenix]

Do devs wanna add some kind of forge like in bannerlord?

[calm dew]

sorry guys can someone explain me how to download this game?

[prime venture]

playtest ended at 26 december, you can't play anymore

there will be a next playtest at february

[calm dew]

ah ok thank you so much

[gentle kayak]

trying to find the fan-made voice-over trailer for dark and darker, anyone know where it is?

[open mist]

Thank you 😎

[burnt badger]

Will their be sherpa system ?

[stone otter]

Hasnt been any official statements on that yet

[paper compass]

when do the stats for the playtest usually release? a week, 2 weeks?

[oak wave]

Wen

[raven beacon]

Give or take yeah. You can check when the development graphs were posted and when the play tests were held. The dates are on the graph for player count btw

[clever dock]

about server online, who know whorewer next test?

[gentle knot]

feb 6-13

steam nextfest

[final barn]

Hopefully longer 🙂 having it happen in between work schedule I really can’t play for 4 of the days 😩

[sly escarp]

Do devs plan to refine the block mechanics for Longsword and some shields? Punches and dagger stabs sometimes go through the shield/longsword

[proven oak]

There'll definitely be some rework

[thorn mulch]

Don’t worry because I feel the rage I will be doing a month long training during that play test so I will miss all of it 🥲

[agile ember]

that’s definitely a feature most of the time. if they aim for the tip of your head it’ll still hit behind a shield bc your head sticks out from behind a shield.

it’s meant to be directional and somewhat realistic

[paper kestrel]

Yes but if that's how it's supposed to work, then hitting a shield shouldn't do any damage instead of a reduction in damage. If you are still going to take damage when successfully blocking, then it should block all frontal attacks.

[agile ember]

it’s specifically said in game that you’ll still take some damage if you block a direction that you have a body part sticking out

[paper kestrel]

Which you just mentioned is impossible to not have.

[opaque zodiac]

Literally it is possible if your turn to block properly

Try it with a friend and a cleric on standby next playtest

[paper kestrel]

#q-and-a message

[opaque zodiac]

If you have a limb sticking out because you didn’t turn, you take damage

[real olive]

Can it be February already ??

[agile ember]

it’s not impossible. i also didn’t say that. just depends on the swing, the weapon, the body part and how you block. lol quit trying to make the game easier.

[agile ember]

please

[burnt badger]

Will this game be available on GeForce Now?

[tepid monolith]

anyone know for sure that final extract portal is always a blue 3 man portal ? or am im incorrect about that info

[lusty cloud]

i haven't even seen a blue 3man portal last playtest

[sly escarp]

i know how block is supposed to work... but i tested with friends. Punches and small weapons such as daggers just go through the shield... i dont know if it is a hurtbox bug, or something like that...

[indigo oracle]

They are single extract portals

[tepid monolith]

there is a blue 3 man ive seen it

[indigo oracle]

I’ve never seen a 3 man extract either

[tepid monolith]

not in game it was a video so it could of been old playtest

[indigo oracle]

Must be incredibly rare if it does exist, considering how many hours I played

[tepid monolith]

lol maybe im crazy

[lusty cloud]

i remember 3mans in 2nd playtest

but not most recent

[tepid monolith]

ahh maybe thats what it was from

[lusty cloud]

fo sho

[paper kestrel]

I'm not trying to make it easier. That's just how these games normally work. If the shield doesn't block all attacks unless it's perfect and even then you take damage it's not worth blocking at all. If your goal is for no one to use a shield then that's fine. I'm just pointing out what you said which was when you hold up your shield your body parts still stick out. If you didn't say that then please explain.

Also if my understanding is incorrect you could just explain how I'm wrong instead of being an ass hat.

Quit trying to make people not want to play this game.

[polar yoke]

Some weapons clip through the shield regardless of what you do if you're at close range - anything with a stab can hit the player through the shield

It's not a perfect system yet

[agile ember]

i explained how you’re wrong. no need to call names man. lol be mature. i’ve also done nothing but get more people involved in the game.

i think you just didn’t play enough with the shield tbh. it sounds like you don’t understand how it worked. i got a fighter to lv 20 and it was an amazing time.

there’s still WILDLY good reasons to block, since if you’re skilled you can block nearly 90% of damage.

[agile ember]

i never experienced this as a rogue or felt it as a fighter but i believe u. for sure plenty of bugs still.

[paper kestrel]

Or you can just dodge for 0% damage

[agile ember]

yeah i never saw one in the recent play test or saw one in the feed of any round i played

[paper kestrel]

I think this was probably my point. I just chalked it up to hitting a body part outside of the shield.

[agile ember]

much harder to do. especially when backed into a corner. there’s a reason why irl shields exist.

very good strat on the rogue or someone with high movement

[paper kestrel]

Irl if a sword hits my shield I don't start bleeding unless my shield is busted.

I suppose you are correct though. It's hard to dodge if you are cornered so you can use that shield and 3 hits later be dead.

[opaque zodiac]

Thank you. Also love your pixel art

[umbral scarab]

Will the game have a mode that doesn't have battle royal and you can just play pve with friends ?

[opaque zodiac]

No. Something was mentioned about private lobbies though maybe. #dev-qna-archives

[agile ember]

seems like something they may add eventually

[agile ember]

thanks u papa

[agile ember]

valid lol if you’re good enough 😜

[paper kestrel]

😊

[strong basin]

Wasn't this because the hit range on daggers is so close? Usually dagger users compensate for lag/latency by being literally in your face, and the game thinks that your dagger is now "behind the shield" at least this is why I accepted things bypassing my shield or "glancing" blocked blows due to players dragging weapon hitboxes. Easily seen when you're too close to something to break it but back up 1 step and now suddenly it topples because the game now registers your weapon hitbox correctly. I also believe this is 100% intentional.

If not let me know.

Personally felt shields though can be good, they just seem to need a ton more equipment centered around them due to the massive vision, and move speed loss in a 3v3 setting. In a 1v1 they can excel and certain choke point scenarios, but it felt like a lot of work for much less gain over wielding 1) Magic, 2) 2handers/high impact weapons 3)Be a barb 4)kiting/simple circle strafing around a shielded target (very easy to do in chaotic grp scenarios and the severe move speed penalty of shields)

[astral seal]

A little late to this convo but I played Cleric where my role in the group was to heal/buff and if I got collapsed on I would shield block while my team hopefully killed whoever was attacking me. While daggers were at times hard to block I was definitely able to block them after I got some practice.

[prisma marsh]

Question is this same dev owner the same with super people ?

[sand grail]

Will we be able to obtain Stands?

[slender tartan]

How long will the next play test be and will when it launch

[crystal pilot]

Monster girls when?

[proven oak]

Where's the siren 😳

[boreal copper]

does somebody know what new stuff we'll see in next playtest?

[brisk sapphire]

#📢announcements

[noble iris]

were there any confirmed to be coming classes?

[cunning parrot]

There are confired to be more classes but no clue as to what

There's supposed to be I believe 16

In total

So about 10 more classes

[noble iris]

i heard as many as possible

[cunning parrot]

Oh I watched the interview and they said 16 but they might add more🤔

[noble iris]

16 sounds plenty at least

[brisk sapphire]

Bard and Druid for sure.

[cunning parrot]

Ok cool

Thinking they could add an adventurer but I think fighter might classify

[muted marten]

Will we get server for latin america?

[sand grail]

Stands when?

[slow violet]

Druid shapeshift to spider, attack victim suddenly with dagger stilleto. Next level mimic moment.

[light anvil]

never

[true cradle]

When using dual wield daggers holding left and right click together only the kriss and stiletto in combination seem to rotate. Using rondel and Castilian or any other combo it just swings one. Idk if that intentional but would love to be able dual wield any dagger combo with alternating swings u kinda get it to work with some combos by alternating them ur self but inconsistent and doesn’t feel great.

[spice maple]

How do you get in the testing thing?

[hot crown]

@spice maple just click on the "request access" on steam and you get it instantly

next playtest starts 6th Feb afaik

[marsh pawn]

sorry if this has been answered already but do the blue flame cosmetics and skeleton cosmetics stay bound to our steam account so that when the actual game releases we get to keep them forever?

[prime venture]

no, they won't

[fiery geode]

Bruh i need to try this

[dreamy zenith]

So I was told they’re gonna be eventually adding like 13 more classes including like artificer and stuff. Are these rumors true?

[wet mantle]

Slowly but surely.

[lapis ember]

I saw this was asked but not given too much of an answer, do we have anything new confirmed for next playtest? I know they are working on bard but is there anything confirmed for February?

[kind imp]

i didnt see anything in #dev-qna-archives that i can remember , theyve only had about a week to build from what they lets us play plus what they had the past tests so maybe in the following weeks they will drop more news

[robust tapir]

Is there any reason why dual welding should be used? You can't attack with both weapons at the same time nor make a combo mixing the attacks but also have slower movement speed

[novel cove]

Actually quick question, weapon and attack buffs like rupture and reckless attack
Do they apply onto thrown weapons like thr throwing knife or throwing axe?

[novel cove]

False, if you equip a hatchet + horseman axe,
If you go RMB > LMB x3
You can do a 6 hit combo
Works well against ppl hiding behind shields

while with rogue daggers, being able to attack from both sides is beneficial but mostly, its quite a mundane buff tbf

[queen coral]

i think so, i lost my buff when throwing them so im assuming yes

[robust tapir]

Oh, I haven't try it with the barbarian. Just the fighter and rogue. Much appreciated!

[queen coral]

also rogue using kris and castillon holding down LMB and RMB causes them to interchange btw

its the only rogue dagger combo that works that well

[novel cove]

oh fr? I never used the kris dagger during the playtest 😂

[true cradle]

Kris and stiletto also works, hatchet and horsemen axe for barb, but ya nothing else that I’ve found. It would be nice to see them all work next playtest feels really good even if it doesn’t directly increase any dps

[drowsy portal]

What does mean "RMB and LMB"?

[prime venture]

right mouse button
left mouse button

[drowsy portal]

🤦

My bad

[novel cove]

Bouta make me run double falchion 😂 and spam running attacks like in elden ring

[sullen current]

As a New Year's celebration, please open the game temporarily

[slender mist]

Is there a business email? can't find one.

nevermind

[stone otter]

Im not sure if it was an intend combo, but on fighter i ran arming sword and the cleric's starting mace once. At least the horizontal and vertical usage was nice

[tall drum]

does anyone know if there is a wiki or something that shows all the items currently in the game and their possible attributes

couldn't find anything with a search

[upper tree]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Weapons
enjoy

[tall drum]

@upper tree this is exactly what i wanted, tnx ❤️

[polar yoke]

who made this lol

[upper tree]

no idea found it on reddit from the interactive map post

[hot crown]

btw if there is Attack speed 0.6s/0.56s/0.75s and damage 100%/90%/70% why would you even not just do first attack over and over?

Thats what that page states for arming swords for example

[storm nova]

because combos are faster

[hot crown]

But it literally says Attack Speed 0.75 and the first attack is 0.6

but maybe the wiki is just wrong

[storm nova]

probably

[gusty onyx]

because the recoil animation

[upper tree]

For NPCs doing the first attack over and over is probably your best bet, but humans, each swing has a different attack pattern so it's harder to block instead of just using the first attack over and over. The last attack on an alarming sword is also a stab so it has longer reach than the first two swings.

[hot crown]

if they block a hit it goes to first one anyway :D

[glacial saffron]

wait a minute

that wiki says recurve bow has higher dps than longbow :O

goddamn good to know

plus recurve bow gets more out of +flat weapon damage

[storm nova]

yeah a blue recurve bow with good stats is goated

[polar yoke]

think of it slightly differently though, blue longbow is powerful enough to 1hk some players with white gear, where a recurve will require 2 shots

or in other cases you'll need 3 recurve body shots to kill somebody that would die to 2 longbow body shots

[neat bramble]

arrow curvature is also different, long hallway shots are easier/more accurate with longbow

[proven oak]

That reminds me

why is the crossbow's falloff so great compared to regular bows' ?

It makes no sense

When i use a crossbow i expect the arrow to go real fast and to almost never fall off

[hardy vector]

It makes sense for the small crossbow otherwise it would be kinda op using the perk, but the large one definitely needs a buff to its travel time and falloff

[hasty hazel]

How much is price for the game?

[ripe wind]

unknown

[sturdy cosmos]

10k gold 30k silver and 10 CC for the game

[glacial saffron]

was silver actually used for anything else than converting to gold?

[proven oak]

no

[ornate minnow]

hey guys, Iam new on this server. I have seen one of my favourite Youtubers play the game, and I wanted to test it as well. But on Steam it says, its no released yet though it hit 100.000 Users a few days ago ?! So how are you able to play it, really wanna try it out!

[primal dagger]

play test ended

next playtest will be sometime during February

[ornate minnow]

I see, thanks a lot!

[burnt badger]

@timber mist or @muted onyx Is there plans to release the data from playtest 3 like y'all did for playtest 2?

[proven oak]

Is there really a need to ping the devs for that ?

[viral arrow]

Didn't get to play test, but I'm curious, is there a soloque? Eg will you be meeting 2-3 man premades if you go solo?

[burnt badger]

I mean it's a question directly for them and I didn't ping all of them, I pinged sdf the one who posted the last stats, and gray who at the time was online.

[burnt badger]

Solos go up against premades

[viral arrow]

Aight seems sketch xD I'll have to find a squad

[warm trellis]

Nah, only 16 Max in lobby

Solo is pretty fun

Little scary, sometimes I would team up with randoms

[storm nova]

Just play wizard and dunk on 3 people teams as a solo

[hoary citrus]

hey how about adding a "looking for players" or "looking for group" channel on discord before the game releases

[burnt badger]

There is one it's just gone between playtests

[storm nova]

already is

[hoary citrus]

ok nice

[hoary citrus]

why u doing guts dirty like that

[storm nova]

[untold star]

parry op

nerf inc

[prime venture]

its a rule though
not pinging devs unless very urgent or because some dev qna events

[burnt badger]

My B then

[storm nova]

Question for wizards: Do you guys use the crystal ball and dagger combo or crystal sword?

[prime venture]

crystal sword more cooler

[hoary gazelle]

+Magic Power, whatever you had that gave you the most

I saw a lot use book in 1, and sword in 2

[crude lantern]

True

[dusky wraith]

Guys, whom do i need to write to translate dev-qna to my language? I mean to discuss some details

[slow violet]

lol

[wet valve]

How to take role Troubadour?) Im little content creator - https://www.youtube.com/@YaSchastliv

[proven oak]

I suggest you DM one (not all) of the mods to ask them

[ancient jay]

Community announcements

[last vault]

How much will the game cost when its done in testing phase? Im interested how much to save up?

[proven oak]

yes

[viral arrow]

Get 60 euro and you should be fine, launch in Q4

[neat bramble]

base version is def not gonna cost 60, it's not an AAA game, probably like 30ish

[rain bison]

would it be possible to release a LAN version of the game where its just PvE to satiate people?

[bright fractal]

Lol

[kind imp]

theres no good games dropping for a year save your money

[cunning kettle]

Would pay 150$ for this gem.

[unborn vault]

honestly if there is a good package i would pay for a big pre order for this game. i am completely sold on the core model

[hybrid grail]

anyone know how penetration works? does penetration ignore armor/magic resist rating % or reduction %?

[muted onyx]

We will. but It will take little time.

[tough thicket]

Personally I'd do a full $60 preorder rn if they made it early access 😂 I'm slowly dying inside waiting for the next playtest😂

[kind imp]

both have separate % values. you hit for your total minus the reduction

physical/magical

[smoky crescent]

even just release offline so you can get some practice or something lol

[neon hawk]

Does IronMace have agreements with streamers/content creators/ Toubadours during playtests? I ask because the twitch numbers were great, easily top 6 game all playtest 3!

[rain saddle]

Where do I see that big doc that one player made about all the stats in the game

[astral seal]

What is the highest +single attribute you could get on an item? Is it 3 or can you get higher?

[kind imp]

+3 to all?

[astral seal]

I was wondering if you could get higher on a single stat like just +str / agility / etc, I didn't recall seeing any items like that but I wanted to confirm

[kind imp]

i think 3 is the max i didnt see any higher that i remember

accessories had + to all

i think some gear had +to all as well, there was +1 strength gear +2 +3

[fringe cypress]

how much $ will the game be on early access also will there be a supporter edition where I can pay slightly more for the game to help support the team.

[strong basin]

@kind imp https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Jewelry#Legendary-0

Not sure how accurate this site is, but have seen +4 Legendaries. Not sure on +4 all, but single stats for sure exist. No in game confirm on +5 for Uniques, but seems like it should.

[crude lantern]

we do not know

[prime venture]

they hinted in pre orders and kickstarter as furter support

[pseudo crescent]

They will need it too.
I was surprised they were even able to handle the playerbase load. I wonder how much money they had to shell out to make up for the demand. And still no income.
Surely they are getting interested investment inquiries though given how popular this thing became practically overnight.

[hoary oyster]

Prob no, its a very small dev team they dont have money for that

[soft mason]

just publish it as it was and sell it for $20, then update and make dlc for another 10-20$ and we are good to go

we all gonna buy it anyways

[crude lantern]

bad idea

[hidden sparrow]

when does the game fully come out

[muted spade]

afaik they removed them during this playtest. only the 3 man down portal exist as of now

[muted spade]

iirc its planned for the 4th quarter of 23

[soft mason]

it would be nice if multiple people could extract at one exit

[muted spade]

not exactly sure but it should show up above your portrait bottom left thats where buff and debuff icons are listed

[crude lantern]

no idea, Q2 2023 Early Access

[muted spade]

i believe somewhere it was posted its planned for q4 2023

[crude lantern]

q4 2023 is full release but I think I heard q4 2024

regardless, EA in Q2 2023

this is confirmed (this is their internal plan*)

[muted spade]

steam says q4 2023 for release date

[crude lantern]

that could always be adjusted. There's not a timer on steam that will countdown to the minute and then release the game.

But yeah, if it comes out at that time, great

we will be able to buy it in Early Access anyway

so we don't need to wait to Q4

[muted spade]

true and q4 is a broad 4 month time window as well

[crude lantern]

3 month

[muted spade]

lol true that is correct. lol havent been to sleep yet brain not working as intended

[crude lantern]

no worries

[viral arrow]

where is this confirmed? i'm trying to find anything other than the alpha playtests and Q4 2023 steam page

[crude lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_tYY0B3OrA&t=3674s

@viral arrow

[viral arrow]

your a god, thanks 🙂

[paper compass]

@crude lantern I heard that they changed it to release early access in Q3 before the full release in Q4, was this just a rumor?

[crude lantern]

no idea on this

i even think that Q4 2023 is not going to be release

because if they do Q2 2023 EA then it's just 6 months

Q4 2024 makes more sense and i base it on this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKULTFV9HRM

[paper compass]

in my opinion i think the game is plenty ready for at least early access, they could charge a decent amount and still get a ton of players

[crude lantern]

I disagree with you there

we had the playtest for a week

we ate up all the content they had in the game

week 1 you're gonna have fun

week 2 you're gonna have fun but it will dwindle

and devs won't be able to add content in 14 days

or 21 days

or a month

This soup needs a bit more base before it should be consumed

[paper compass]

i thought they were gonna have it wipe though, its not like everyones gonna be stacked indefinitely

[crude lantern]

yea but if you wipe it's the same things. We will eat up the content in a week or 2

here's a list of things that are in the game but not working

quests

durability

skill tree

weight system

backpack system a la tarkov

b1 map

not to mention whatever their plans are

[paper compass]

so you want them to add more pve? how would they make it last more than 2/3 weeks even if they added a ton theres still a majority of players since its a hardcore game that are going to be playing hours and hours a day

[crude lantern]

i want them to add the features that are already in the game but not finished yet

i want them not to be pressured into releasing the game too

currently as it stands, we can do everything within a week

[paper compass]

yeah of course nobody wants them to release early and then have it do poorly because of that

[crude lantern]

true

and releasing it now as EA will do just that

i'm 100% sure of it

plus they should do it smartly

[paper compass]

did they say how often the wipe would be

[crude lantern]

i.e release it when tarkov's wipe is halfway done

so the bored EFT players come here

this will bring streamers and players

releasing now when streets has hit tarkov in a new wipe is a bad idea

[paper compass]

it just wiped?

[crude lantern]

yea

like few days ago

Streets got released

new content

also drops on twitch

200k viewers on pesti stream

[paper compass]

yea then they should wait for the hype on that to die down, i only played tarkov once and didnt realize it just had a big update plus a wipe

you said that it took a week to do everything in dnd how it is now, how long does it take someone to "finish" tarkov?

[crude lantern]

well now it's not a clear cut answer

there is content in tarkov which is time gated + NEW content that no one knows how to do yet, so exploration and excitement is there

in this wipe specifically i mean

if you're a tryhard streamer you could do everything in a month or more*

for a regular player, 4+ months or maybe not at all

a lot of stuff "to finish" is hard to do

they got 60 levels, 8 traders with quest chains

Tarkov is technically a 7 year old game by now so DnD can't compete in terms of how much content there is

[storm nova]

Still i'd rather play dnd anyday rather than Tarkov

[crude lantern]

Tarkov has it's issues

it's a good game but it has problems

and DnD seems to not have as many problems

can't wait for February

[storm nova]

True, main issue for me is that i have to wait 7minutes to get in to a game just to get oneshot across the map in tarkov lol

[frail plume]

facts
the only current issue is the lack of content, but like you said, we need the NPCs ready for quests, services. The repair, weight system and more to come... but just those 4 would turn the next playtest into something REALLY different from the previous two

[muted spade]

i feel before they finish up the npc stuf they probably want to get the class playable before anything and you also gotta remember theres a whole nother level that we havent seen thats ready they just havent made it playable for playtests

[frail plume]

yep that's the point, u have the map ready but i don't feel 'the vibe' with a new class, but those 4 systems i said, yeah, that would be a game changing cuz we would spent days grinding for those things while with a new class u can learn in one day and also get lvl 20...

for me, those 4 systems come first
then we could MAYBE have the Bard, or maybe in the next playtest with more content

[muted spade]

yea i hope they have quest ready for next playtest but idk if they will with it only being a week play test or maybe they just give us a small sample of quests like 3-5 quest per npc jsut to make sure the system works

[echo magnet]

Skill tree is what I want to see be added. Have that entire character level up system basically that we still didn't have this playtest but give us more customization maybe in builds

[muted spade]

i feel like it will be up for next play test because the framework for it looked mostly finished this last play test

[echo magnet]

Being able to actually specialize in what you want to do will feel more rewarding for players than the weak passives we currently have

Mage also felt kinda lackluster the last playtest

[muted spade]

yea i feel like mage relied heavy on good items with cast speed stats for it to feel rewarding

[echo magnet]

It's one of the classes who sucked at pve but great at pvp

But replied super heavy on equipment

[muted spade]

yea you were constantly torn between using spells on pve and being screwed if you get caught in pvp before meditating

[echo magnet]

Honestly you just seemed to want true dmg magic hit rings and you turned into a pvp slayer

Pve? Gl 😆

[storm nova]

thats why you don't pve as a wizard, you just wait for everyone else to loot and kill and then kill them

[muted spade]

i found running zap was nice since it would fully regen with one meditate

[storm nova]

or run ignite and dagger

[echo magnet]

Had the best just outright dps in pve but you had to stand still (magic missile) or rely on a team for pve

[muted spade]

running dagger and crystal ball wasnt terrible

[storm nova]

its the best

[echo magnet]

Definitely not terrible but Mage could use with the new class level up character system

Maybe get more spell slots, bit more hp (so you don't kneel over in a heartbeat) ect so much there would benfit mage

But also think that low hp suited Mage considering its ability to kill groups of players very fast (3 hit lightning taking out squishies in 1-2 hits) (fireball hitting a team for 1/3rd there hp)

[muted spade]

yea but i also found that you can almost always dodge firebal by jumping soo as the wizard sometimes you had to go for direct hit

[echo magnet]

Also not to mention the clipping issues on mage

Either the spells or walls had larger hitboxes than it would seem causing fireball to hit walls if your trying to edge throw

[muted spade]

yea that was rough. one thing my buddy and i did was ranger trap and when all three try to rush through doorway you blast with the lightning strike spell wiped a couple squads this way

[echo magnet]

Try 3 wizards with fireball or lightning fun times 😆

They open door into rip goes team

[muted spade]

ooooof yea that sounds gross

[neon hawk]

I forget, can you only loot your teammates soul heart or are you able to take anyone’s soul heart?

[slate willow]

I'm also curious Fnordy. I don't think I ever tried looting the soul heart of an enemy

[muted spade]

only your teams

i tried one day because one person in the squad got away soo i was gonna steal the soulstone but it wont let you loot

[slate willow]

It'd be funny if you could loot an enemy's soul heart

[muted spade]

yea i thought the same thing

[neon hawk]

Ah ok thanks - I’m fan crafting a warlock class and was basing some abilities off of collecting soul hearts. May still leave it that way because it’s fun lol.

[muted spade]

yea i think itd be neat but also understand why you ccant

[echo magnet]

Be funny if you could revive a enemy by accident instead of ally

[slate willow]

that also

[echo magnet]

Someone collects 7 soul hearts and your teams, so you gotta guess which ones is your ally 😆

Or maybe make soul hearts part of a level up system, collect them and can use them to pray for something idk many different spin offs you can do

[neon hawk]

I was thinking for warlock - high level spells - consume 3 soul hearts to create a phylactery at an alter. Or consume 3 soul hearts to heal yourself and replenish spell charges… fun stuff

[desert remnant]

Consuming soul hearts to refresh spell slots.

I feel like that works with the theme of warlock. Only a few spells of high power and no real way to get them back until after a fight. Pact weapons for AI.

[woven dirge]

In the future will maps be randomized each time you que or will we see whats on rotation and be able to prep for it

[pearl flax]

if we get to choose, playerbase queues will go up (since we move away from pooled queueing, which should be shortest wait times). wonder how this'll work, yea

[pearl flax]

make a soul-heart golem out of multiple hostile soul hearts (then put your dead party members soul heart in the golem -- aka warlock "revive" with extra steps)

[desert remnant]

I feel like we'd get to choose. If they are random, all need to be of equal difficulty, or people will just chase certain maps anyways.
Theres a lot more creative freedom, and player enjoyment in choice

[stray kernel]

Is the game always going to just be three players per team?

[desert remnant]

Safe to assume yes. They are exploring 4s, and it may be a map option, but assume 3s. It wont be smaller than that

[stray kernel]

Thank you!

[desert remnant]

You can queue solo.

[woven dirge]

Could be a weekly rotation, since each map has 3 tiers if I'm not mistaken (we only get 2 & 3 rn). I'm interested to see what they do

[desert remnant]

But you go against the 3s.

[pearl flax]

fighting against a 4-man that has 2 clerics. hm

[desert remnant]

2 clerics would probably be bad.

But it increases the value of cleric a lot, and they are already strong

[pearl flax]

4-shot fireballs from all wiz team haha

or better yet, guaranteed suicide 4-shot chain lightning

problem with higher team count is designing around the extreme edge cases (handling the maximum potential of build / gear combinatinos -- more to watch out for)

[desert remnant]

2 chain lightnings is enough to kill most players. Adding more doesnt help them

I feel like when they eventually balance the game, it will then be balanced around the team size, or with it in mind. It isnt that right now, and thats fine.

[woven dirge]

I can't tell if they are adding solo que or not, I get mixed answers when I search

[desert remnant]

Solo queue is extremely unlikely. Theyll only add it if no other method works for them, as a last resort.

[pearl flax]

if it happens at all, probably later. not the core focus of the game, it seems

[viral arrow]

maps being random is important, for the sense of risk. If you can "farm" the easy map, nobody will go to the hard one. Choosing to spawn with your strong loadout shouldnt be a guaranteed pub stomp :p

[pearl flax]

the focus sounds like it's fully-manned parties, working together in the dungeon

[desert remnant]

Random is not important. People can farm what they want. Maybe harder maps are the only chance for best gear.

Certain maps give certain gear types, ect.

[viral arrow]

in a world where you cant guarantee the maps are equally difficult, the random factor would equalize it, and ensure degenerate tactics are curbed 😛 (like speed farming a easily accessible hoard or similar)

[desert remnant]

Random is worse if they arnt balanced, not better.

[viral arrow]

its better, because you wouldnt feel like a noob, if you didnt choose the path of least resistance (like speedfarming an easy chest)

encourages people to play the game "normally"

[desert remnant]

Maps dont need to be the same difficulty, and shouldnt be. New players can take the easy map. Experienced can take the hard map. Maybe theres a map that gives more spell scrolls. People will farm that for supplies for the even harder maps, ect. Its jot that hard to give a reason for players to vary their options.

Making it random means that maps need to be equally rewarding, and always give you a chance. Thats extremely boring.

[pearl flax]

controlled RNG (pure dice rolling) + discrete decision tree (aka chess) balancing is key. if you do it right, will appeal to the largest audience (in board game terms, this would have been soemthing like Settlers of Cattan, instead of chess)

and pure chance being a coin flip / dice games

[viral arrow]

my understanding is that there is 3 difficuties (going deeper) and each difficulty has a few different map types:
https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/crypt-1.html

So my suggestion is that you shouldnt be able to select crypt 1, you should be randomized crypt 1-4, and same when you drop into inferno.

[desert remnant]

You have it wrong.

[viral arrow]

and highroller is on top of those.

crypt is difficulty 2, there's a difficulty one that 's still in development

[desert remnant]

Each map has 3 levels, which increase in difficulty. High roller is an experiment right now, and i wouldnt expect it to be like this in the main game.

So a new map would also have levels that increase in difficulty.

High roller is more likely to be its own map, with a high loot ceiling and high risk.

[viral arrow]

this playtest seemed like dungeon layout, and difficulty increase looked like inferno?

people have been caveating gameplay with "you are playing the harder difficulty, on launch it'll be easier"

[desert remnant]

The floor you started on is called b2, or floor 2. Inferno being b3. The new floor will he b1, the starting floor.

[viral arrow]

yeah exactly

3 difficulties

[desert remnant]

Thats not a new map. Thats just floor 1.

[viral arrow]

the easiest floor

[desert remnant]

You should assume that a choice in map will be a choice in a different set of 3 floors. Not a choice of which floor to start on.

Maybe another map will have difficulty similar to inferno at floor 1. That sort of stuff cant exist if its random.

[viral arrow]

so dungeon will have 3 floors, and the devil floor this playtest is supposed to be floor 3?

[desert remnant]

Yes.

[viral arrow]

interesting =p i still hope that they will be somewhat randomly selected, and that killing floor 3 boss on inferno doesnt drop significantly different things that the boss on floor 3 forest. It would be sad to see levels unplayed. Being dropped into a dangerous map you aren't familiar with, is part of the charm aswell.

[desert remnant]

Its likely that layouts will be randomly selected. So if ypu choose this dungeon, it will be slightly different each time, with a limit of variations.

[viral arrow]

similarly, people will find the easiest boss and farm it, randomizing will force people to engage with all content

[primal canopy]

I mean you’re always going to be on floor one. And I doubly they would randomly drop someone with starting gear onto floor three.

Have you tried to kill a boss before?

[desert remnant]

Theres nothing wrong with people farming bosses they want gear from.

[tidal robin]

I’m assuming they would make more maps later in the game or add some kind of random generation

[desert remnant]

If they put all the good loot on the easy boss, thats a completely different problem

[viral arrow]

but where's that balance in say, having a centaur that's easily bugged and farmed for easy unique polearms, when wizards have to kill xyz that is harder

[primal canopy]

They don’t want the game to be randomly generated, they want map memorization to be part of the skill cap.

[viral arrow]

it would be easily solved by just making everything drop everything, and making it random wether you run into the "easy" centaur, or the hard dragon

[tidal robin]

I still want the ability to solo que as a Minotaur and act as the stage clearer instead of the ring slowly closing in

[pearl flax]

the balancing point might be memorizing map tiles (or sets) as opposed to an entire static map

[viral arrow]

😄 have the minotaur move around the maze as people loot and prepare for the final battle

[primal canopy]

I’m just repeating what the devs have said.

I doubt it’s going to change.

[tidal robin]

Yeah I’m thinking rotate the loot rooms, randomize the hidden caches, cycle the random closed iron doors that blocks off the only damn path to the centre of the ring every god damn time!

[viral arrow]

it seems like maps currently are static, as per:
https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/crypt-1.html

each floor has different layouts, but they are static

[desert remnant]

Again, theres nothing wrong with people farming specific content for a specific drop. Thats whu different bosses will drop different things.

[primal canopy]

Also the centaur isn’t a boss.

[desert remnant]

It was an example

Thats fine.

If something is too easy, people will buy it rather than farm it. People wont farm it for money, and will do other stuff.
The problem you're talking about isnt really a problem that needs a solution.

The devs can change difficulty, tweak loot drops and keep incentive to go harder, withput resorting to the boring option of making it random.

[tidal robin]

Honestly I’m just not a big fan of the ring pushing people together, doesn’t feel like it fits the best in the game. I’d rather have some op boss that acts as a stage clearer with the possibility to slay it for op loot before moving into the more difficult layers

[primal canopy]

I don’t want the game to play any slower the ring forces engagements.

[desert remnant]

Agreed. Id like something that pushes people together, and hope the devs find an alternative, but i hate the ring

[desert remnant]

You can bring people together in ways other than a ring. Like high priority loot spots.

And have good PvP maps.. by making smaller maps.

[viral arrow]

depends how loot drops will work, the game is set up as a "zone in, pick up loot, escape" which doesn't leave that much room for targeting stuff. Hence most stuff seems to be based on a flat % chance equally across the board atm. And with that being the case, having easy bosses targetable, would make nobody engage the harder bosses, unless ofcourse you lock specific drops behind the "harder" bosses, with the unbalance that causes for the classes that wants said items =p

Instead, randomizing loot and layouts, the easy boss wouldn't be targetable, but a nice "oh yes" moment for the player when it shows up.

[pearl flax]

too small of a map and it's more of a coliseum, which can be boring in its own way in that it's just PvP and barely any PvE mixed in

[tidal robin]

The stage boss would add more engagements without making stuff feel so closed off. You know it’s coming towards you so you run away and collide with another party, or groups fight over who gets to kill it, when it’s killed everyone knows and rushes to take out the group and secure the op loot for themselves

[desert remnant]

Doesnt need to be that small. There will be an optimal size for engagements.

[summer yew]

Ranked arena for pvp? With gear rarity limits in each arena?

[desert remnant]

Theres plenty of room right now for targetted looting. Always managed to get to certain rooms if i wanted gear in the playtest, if jt was there at all, like the library.

[viral arrow]

Yeah, but the loot in the library wasnt necesarily always a wizards hat and tome right? (i could be wrong)

[tidal robin]

I just know it has more jewelry in the one room than in the entire game lol

[viral arrow]

knowing the loot hotspots of each map, should be key. But being able to pick the map with the "easiest" hotspots would create a meta where nobody plays the other maps.

[fallow steeple]

is the reason rouges can't break boxes because they get lockpicking?

[novel cove]

Is fall damage supposed to exist?

[wicked summit]

Just depends on what kind of weapon you’re using

@novel cove it is suppose to be a thing but the devs stated that it is low priority atm but it could change

[fallow steeple]

well rouges can use daggers and rapiers and those can't break boxes

[sweet rock]

necromancer class when?

[wicked summit]

In the recent playtest I would use what I could get my hands on, that being said the pickaxe ⛏️ lmao

[kind imp]

i dont think there will be a necro class it will probably be a sorcerer with a necro skill

[fierce halo]

how can wizard can use and run invi 5 times in 1 minute but rogue cant?

[weak hornet]

Any idea when they will release stats for the last play test?

[neat bramble]

who knows, last time it was around 12 days after playtest ended, so maybe in like a week?

[wild igloo]

stats like the leaderboards?

are there patch notes?

[placid oyster]

i would assume once they bring out next playtest or when they start alpha, beta stages

[prisma marsh]

how often they check the troubadour apps

[low flower]

Whats the highest roll on a single piece of equipment of '+ all attributes' youve guys seen?

[ripe plume]

<@&988703997378584596> not sure where to post this but, where can i apply for a Dev QnA localization / translation to Portuguese?

[static shale]

i have already text him mellie

🙂

[ripe plume]

[slim kestrel]

Me too I want to apply for a Dev QnA localization but not sure who to send Pm.

[ripe plume]

I've been told to send it to Graysun in DMs, he'll reply when he has the chance

[kind imp]

Is there any further plans for character customization beyond races and the skill tree, such as a character creator/skins/subclasses?

[tired ridge]

You could look at #dev-qna-archives to find a doc with answers for your questions, about skins and subclasses
What about skill tree, it won't be implemented soon

[kind imp]

didnt cover it in that channel theres interviews that kind of covered the topic tho

How long has the game been in development?

[hasty seal]

how do people get alpha keys?

[pliant cloud]

Just request on steam when playtest starts and u'll get the game

[hollow dust]

let us pay $200 for early access!

[quaint pollen]

Any plans to buff Rubysilver or make it easier to craft

[raven beacon]

Ye took me like a week to craft the whole set and even then didn’t feel that worth it, stuff needs a buff

[bitter sundial]

What’s the axe that resets when the barbarian gets a hit with it but is slow if they miss? The felling axe?

[terse harbor]

yes

[wicked summit]

4

[quartz bear]

Ive observed someone that killed me that had every single piece of gear including rings and necklace have +2-4 all attribute rolls.

[raven beacon]

Did the Santa or headless horseman man dude ever sell any bows?

[west girder]

not that I'm aware of.

[quartz bear]

Its unique for each player, I got a legendary longbow with spell capacity rolls as an option....

[raven beacon]

Ok neat never recalled seeing one

[quartz bear]

Whats neat is that everyone else couldn't ever find maces being sold but whenever I played my cleric everyone was selling maces.

And yes plural, even Nicholas had two maces at one point. One epic and one legendary for 25-40(?) canes.

[raven beacon]

Lol nice yah I recall seeing a bunch guess it’s just random. I wonder if they’ll be selling new weapons next update 👀

[shut scaffold]

I DIDENT HAVE MANY ISSUES WITH WEAPONS I JUST CHECKED THE SMITH EVERY MATCH WIN OR LOOSE AND BUY WHAT EVER WAS GOOD

[quartz bear]

SDF stated in their text based QnA on here that the way they plan to make martial classes more versatile to keep up with magic users getting new spells is to add more weapons to the game including wands/rings that others can cast magic with.

[raven beacon]

Nice

[shut scaffold]

I hope the scroles will be spells any one can cast

[raven beacon]

Ooo that’d make em worth that much storage space yeah

[heady yew]

come on single mode

[clear topaz]

How do people play after the end of the alpha test? How to access the game NOW?

[crystal pilot]

You sleep till you are notified like a sleeper agent to once play again.

[pliant cloud]

You cant cause servers are off

[iron locust]

I would like to provide ukrainian localization for recent QnA, how can I submit it ?

[slate sentinel]

Can the warehouse be bigger?

Can the number of gold coins be split in the process of trading with players?

ex:(50)>>>10.10.10.10.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1

[tired ridge]

You can't split gold in the trade, you must do it begin you gonna trade
By my mind brilliant middle is 5g of 5, 10g of 5, other hold in the bags
Maybe gold splitting will be added in the next playtest

[pliant cloud]

You can do it by sending translated link to Graysun 😉

[grave jungle]

are there any dates for the next playtest? I know they said sometime during the steamfest. Would that mean alongside it?

[blissful relic]

feb 6

[grave jungle]

yeh thats the steam fest

[blissful relic]

im assuming its also the starting date since all the playtests were sometime in the end of the month

[grave jungle]

ok. Makes sense

Do you know if the 13th is included in the steamfest, or it ends on the sunday before? @blissful relic

[blissful relic]

i guess we'll find out! the last playtest was the longest so maybe the next one they'll keep it even longer

[pliant cloud]

13th is last day of playtest, but keep in mind that the devs are sometimes extending playtest for a few days, like this one from december and previous 😉

[grave jungle]

@pliant cloud im planning my next vacation. Need to know what dates to ask for leave

[echo quest]

i've heard that there are 3 different maps on rotation. is this referring only to the initial level that u spawn in, or does inferno have different maps as well?

[viral arrow]

Supposedly 3 different maps/themes:

Inferno, dungeon, forest

And each has 3 floors

[grave jungle]

@echo quest the first level in the tests is truly lvl 2 and inferno is lvl 3.

[echo quest]

i know that, but there are variants of the different levels, correct? does this apply to each level or is it only lvl 2 with the 3 variants?

[echo quest]

was dungeon the only one with 3 variants in the last playtest?

[grave jungle]

oh. That I dont know

[humble lynx]

how do i download the game?

[glacial cloud]

@humble lynx its not available currently, next playtest is in feb

[crimson swan]

Best to just take those two weeks off work to be safe.

[west girder]

The third playtest ended about a week ago; check the #📢announcements channel for details regarding the next playtest, which should take place during Steam's Nextfest in February.

[modest breach]

How much will the game cost when released?

[pliant cloud]

Something around 30$, but it's only my guess

[tacit inlet]

Thats a wild guess dont you think

[wicked summit]

They do it almost everytime whatcha mean 😂 except first playtest

Honestly I don’t think we’ll get any extension this time lol

[pliant cloud]

There's no 100% percent confirmed game price, that's why i replied with my guess, for me and some people it is quite accurate. Devs definitely won't price their game 60$ cause it's their 1st game, and it's not AAA game

[manic storm]

Can anyone confirm that you can get hit through your shield if you are not blocking with it? like a ranger shoots your shield in your hand when you are not blocking and it hits through?

[worthy helm]

ye it also hit you if you have your shield in your back and someone hit it

[pliant cloud]

Monsters have collision advantage, if you hit a shield of skeleton when he isn't blocking it will block your attack, but it doesn't work for players

[hard trellis]

They should add back the normal lobby leader boards so you can see how you’re doing compared to high roller only leader boards

[spiral spruce]

Hello there. Is there some possibility to participate in the upcoming beta testing of the game? Is there some alpha/beta version out there that we can already test out? Do we need to apply for it?

[prime venture]

at february there will be another playtest

once it will be available you can most likely request access in the steam store page of the game
and you will grant access
planned to come at february

[spiral spruce]

Thank you!

[slow violet]

Has the data from last playtest been released or anyone know when it might be released?

[prime tree]

yeah, It would kind of suck if they gave a incentive for skilled players to obliterate the new guys in normal lobby

[candid sparrow]

Hey anyone knows what font they are using on their logo ? I am making a YT vid

[upper tree]

http://www.ironmace.com
At the bottom they have a presskit with their logo and a bunch of gfx stuff if you wanna download and use that

[candid sparrow]

Thanks, but I am 3D artist and was looking to re-create it on a 3D software and i would need the name of the font
edit: nvm found another way :

[polar yoke]

love the artwork collection there, and the screenshots have a few 'unseen ' weapons/spells in them

[slow violet]

You going to drop the video link when done? So we can give support and pass the time until we can play again 😭 😭

[candid sparrow]

ofc! it will take some time but i hope its going to be worth it. small sneak peak https://prnt.sc/yJdhsUwJC5c1

[pliant cloud]

Quite nice looking, and also kinda funny 😄

[candid sparrow]

there is a very funny scene with that tongue lol

[shrewd siren]

Stupid Question i want to get off my chest when the topic of furry was involved: 1) Considering we got reskins of player characters being skeletons, will we get ones where classes get re-skinned as beastfolks? 2) On the topic of customization, will we be able our characters' skin colors and change out his clothing? I have an idea for a character look from a classic game i love so much. and 3) Will frying pans be a weapon?

[polar yoke]

begone foul knave 🔥 🔥

it's not impossible though

[shrewd siren]

I know these things wont even be possible, I just want something off my chest. I just cant help but think about a bear barbarian, a rat rogue, a wolf ranger, and a fox cleric

[polar yoke]

I believe there has been talk of druid being able to shift into a bear or whatever

[shrewd siren]

will the bear be able to hold an axe?

If the druid cannot shapeshift to a bear that can hold a giant axe, I will declare that class as wasted opprotunity

let us arm our bears!!

[pliant cloud]

I hope you are just joking

[shrewd siren]

I am

just wanted to have a bit of fun because its been a rough day

[simple jetty]

they're going to have to include that for US players; it's in our constitution.

[silver valley]

It is an absolute tragedy that gifs don't work here. Really a shame, a massively terrible idea on whoever made that decision. Truly. God awful. Blasphemous. Dare I say it, but homophobic even.

[simple jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/0001-gif-25597406

[next dirge]

😐 gutter runners in dark and darker?????

[grim adder]

they did mention wanting to do a druid class that turns into animals ... so you might partially get your wish

[shrewd siren]

Sneaking around and stealing the treasures, all for the cheese

[next dirge]

you can do that with a normal ass rogue

no rats needed

[shrewd siren]

The rats would be a reskin of the rogue

[shrewd siren]

How would that work? Would it be like magic and you have a wheel of animals to choose from?

[grim adder]

that's all the QnA said, could be an ability bar or like a mages spell book no idea.

[shrewd siren]

Huh

But how would these wild shapes work? Would they have their own special abilities per animal? Like bear for fortitude, rats for sneaky, wolf for fight, or monkey for skill, and the like?

[grim adder]

Turn into a tanky bear or a rat to run away XD

[next dirge]

Yes I know

and I dont want it, keep what kraz said and make it so that druid can become a rat or something

[hollow creek]

Are there plans to wipe the game every so often?

[toxic sail]

Are multiclass or subclasses most likely to be added?

[kind imp]

i dont think devs have said anything about subclasses, they spoke about more classes, races, and more cosmetic customization, they have alot of ideas for the game and they said if youve seen it in a traditional fantasy game expect to see it in dark and darker someday, so possibly after they smooth out all the other aspects of the game and go thru the priorities first they may add more content

[oblique notch]

Furries.. omega lul

[grim adder]

they said yes to multiclassing

[shrewd siren]

But on a serious note. I do have something to bring up about the matchmaking system

Will there be an option to party up with other players?

Like letting a matchmaking system buddy players up into a partu?

[kind sapphire]

that's already implemented

[desert remnant]

Automatic matchmaking is asking for trouble.

Better systems to find others will likely be developed.

[fringe cypress]

automatic matchmaking is not something i think is gonna be in the game and for good reason, easily matchmake with randoms and just kill them on spawn for gear.

[wise dagger]

how much would the game be?

[tepid girder]

will cosmetic races like skeleton have a definning feature compared to normal skeletons so you cant just equip a arming sword and suprise atack a group of players with your team ?

[polar yoke]

i mean it's not really a surprise when a skeleton attacks you is it?

[young schooner]

how do you get access to play dark and darker

[pliant cloud]

Game is off for now, next playtest will be from feb 6 to feb 13

[young schooner]

thank you

[dull pendant]

Is it just me or do spells not cast well or smoothly when it was in play test

[kind sapphire]

deff just you, but more knowledge made you cast faster.

[woven dirge]

1. I had times where I had the bar fill up/animation fully wound up and it would have me do the cancel animation instead of actually casting
2. The buffs/heal spells are hitscan dispite the animation looking like a projectile. Not sure if electric storm or whatever is hitscan or projectile. Fireball, Magic Missle, and the other attacks were projectiles.
   The hitscan would not go off on release of M2, but at the endish of the casting animation after release of M2

[burnt badger]

Do suggestions automatically go green at a certain ratio/amount of likes? I saw a couple interesting ones go green...

[pliant cloud]

It happens when suggestion have a lot of likes and few or even no dislikes

[burnt badger]

Do you know if its automatic or manual though?

[pliant cloud]

It's auto i guess

[errant gazelle]

I believe that they said they are interested but it would be a slow process

[pliant cloud]

Indeed, it wil be really hard to balance that 😄

[errant gazelle]

Although bard is coming next

As too when I don’t know

[pliant cloud]

Yup, i know that, im up to date with everything about this game, ofc with things that everyone could know 😄

[errant gazelle]

Good to know

[desert remnant]

They said bard was almost ready for last playtest, and now not likely for the next. Seems like they really are going hard on maps, which is the correct decision

Might mean that the next time we play after feb we get a few classes

[pliant cloud]

Sure, for me classes can wait, it's not that easy to make a new class, new items for that class, maybe spells, coding everything can eat a lot of time 😄

[desert remnant]

All of it will eat a lot of time. Class and maps are imo equally good to add to the game. Both add new content and change the game a lot, but so does the extra spells and extra weapons they'll likely add.

Its all good shit

Im super excited for a b1 at current b2 difficulty, and even harder bosses

[errant gazelle]

Nothing but good stuff coming down the pipe line, I’m excited for this and for the king

[desert remnant]

Yeah, theres so much good stuff coming.

Ill always be waiting for warlock though

[errant gazelle]

Lol sorcerer for me

[desert remnant]

Idk how sorc will be different from wizard, mechanically

It'll just be a different wizard.

Warlock will likely either be bladelock, or super strong spells with only a few casts, with melee viability

[boreal copper]

boys boys boys, i'm ready for the playtest

[forest path]

Are the maps static?

I thought they were procedurally generated, not sure if the posts in the #development channel are just samples of random generation, or static maps

[muted wasp]

Do we have a list of classes they are planning?

[half pumice]

"If the fantasy trope exists, it's probably on our design list."

[simple jetty]

fffff i hope they don't know about rule34

[burnt badger]

so when will be the next playtest febuary day?

[simple jetty]

6

[burnt badger]

confiermed, poggies

[primal canopy]

The maps are static.

[forest path]

sadge

[primal canopy]

Every class in DnD 3e.

[primal canopy]

How so?

They promote static maps so that learning it is an actual skill. Like memorizing where the shrines are, certain loot areas etc.

[forest path]

I like procedural generation dungeons, being able to fully memorize a map isn't as interesting

Have they said if they're intendeding to make it procgen, or just always static

[primal canopy]

I mean I can’t think of a game with this large of a player base that use procedurally generated maps.

Always static.

[primal canopy]

This is a dev quote.

[forest path]

uh

Rust does

And it's yuuge

I figured they would use static rooms but procedurally generated layouts and selection of rooms

[primal canopy]

Rust has procedurally generated room systems?

[forest path]

procgen maps

[primal canopy]

Landscapes are different.

[forest path]

With the monuments spread randomly around the map

[primal canopy]

The monuments are static.

[fluid karma]

how do i become able to make a suggestion in #d-and-d-suggestions

[fresh dawn]

@fluid karma #1048762118255673428

[fluid karma]

thanks lol for some reason when i was first in the chat it was blocked for me and said I didnt have permissions to make a post there

but when I went back it was

unblocked

[umbral zephyr]

Not true, there are multiple monuments with ever-changing rooms, such as the underwater labs

[keen saffron]

That’s literally the only one .

[umbral zephyr]

Yeah, but like, there’s multiple of them on the map

I can see how shit I worded that sentence, though

[dense sonnet]

That’s how the dungeons work in this though, several rotating layouts

[vocal oriole]

When are you going to let us buy this game??

[burnt badger]

Is there a place to read any lore or monster ecology for Dark and Darker?

[pliant cloud]

It's alpha, there's no lore for now
@vocal oriole I think it would be around Q2 2023, but it's just speculations

[umbral zephyr]

Q4

That’s full release

[pliant cloud]

Q4 is a full release, i was talking about early access if this scenario happens 😉

[umbral zephyr]

That would truly be a blessing from the lord

[vocal oriole]

In hoping that happens!

[sinful coral]

id give my left nut

[prime shard]

Good question, my answer to that is Yes

[raw sandal]

hi, i cant talk in general, it makes the screen shake?

[open kiln]

how do i play the game

[fresh dawn]

hello, the general chat is in slow mode.

You will see that it's in slow mode on the bottom right of the chat box

[fresh dawn]

the games playtest phase is done, you will have to wait until February to play it again, please check #📢announcements often for pings 😄

[open kiln]

ok thanks

[mild flame]

Does anyone know how the matcmaking works when you descend maps/levels? Does the game try to link you up with players from other games that are also descending to repopulate the game or does it just keep you with the same player base the whole time?

[grim adder]

Same player base

[primal canopy]

They’re thinking about adding the repopulate feature in when they add the first floor but it’s the same lobby for now. @mild flame

[mild flame]

Thx, suspected that was the case but that's sick they're thinking about it. I hope they add it

[primal canopy]

I mean I’d hate to wipe a floor and then have to fight more people with an already fully inventory.

[mild flame]

the stakes would def be higher and the loot other players would drop that much better

[primal canopy]

The reward is going deeper, I have to battle through the nakeds and other players to be able to do the bosses and collect loot.

Can’t say I’m picking up gear super often.

But I suppose that wasn’t what I originally said.

[desert remnant]

Id say they are more than thinking about it, its very likely to be in a test. Its needed, as it was extremely rare to ever encounter someone in the lower floors. Pretty dull really.

People would rather try and get lucky in b2, or farm gold and buy stuff than go down to b3. Granted, b3 was way harder this time around.

[last grove]

Do we know if the next play test is feb 6th like the steam sale because that’s a Monday and they always launch Friday

[wicked summit]

Same player base as of right now, currently the devs want to implement a system as you mentioned, when going down they want to put players from different servers into the next floor as you’re traversing down levels

[wraith veldt]

They didn't give specific dates (yet) but just that the next test will be "during Steam's Nextfest." which is scheduled from Feb 6th to 13th.

[last grove]

Ok thank you

[blazing ember]

are server cost a determinant factor in having playtest instead of continued alpha?

[primal canopy]

I’m sure partly yes.

There’s certainly strategy for keeping it down though.

[quartz bear]

I wonder who they have writting all of the lore for dark and darker. Bet its gonna be badass.

[wispy tangle]

when is the beta for the game coming out

[prime venture]

playtest at february

[wispy tangle]

i said beta no playtest

[open swan]

bro they arent done with playtest. what makes you think they know that?

[wispy tangle]

i heard beta is coming near march

[quartz bear]

You heard wrong then. Getting past playtest wont be any earlier than q2 and thats still kinda hopeful.

[desert remnant]

yeah, best to not take any word of mouth as gospel.

especially when all confirmed info is here in this discord anyways?

[polar yoke]

they did suggest the possibility of an early access in q2

[halcyon hearth]

Q2 for early access is still the plan so far 🙂

[fallen ocean]

Are you planning to implement some form of randomly generated maps, map parts, loot, monsters, etc...? I think it could work well with the room system you have now and make it more fun to play over and over again.

Maybe some mod with random maps

[pliant cloud]

Maybe in future devs will implement that, game is in Alpha now, we have to give them some time, but the game is a dungeon delver, that's why we can expect random map generator

[amber flame]

개발자 Q&A 한국어 언제 올라와요?? 다른 언어는 다있는데 한국어만 없는데

[signal sail]

any ideas on rooms having better loot ratings, that would be better for solo players who want to get some loot but stay away from groups that will hit up higher loot table rooms? or would that make group players too powerful?

[long cosmos]

everyone would flock to them for pvp and groups would still win out.

[snow trail]

Quick question. Is the game currently being developed solely for PC? Any planes to branch out to consoles?

[dawn plaza]

#❓faq

What platforms will be supported?

• In addition to the PC Steam platform including the Steamdeck, we hope to eventually support console platforms such as the Xbox and Playstation.

[snow trail]

Damn, I literally skimmed just throught faq

sideways reading

Thanks @dawn plaza

[mellow comet]

Can you stack healing potions? Protection potions?

[still sandal]

Pots yes if they're different amounts prot pots no

[mellow comet]

Thanks

[timber girder]

Antoine knows if we will see space whales back?

[frigid talon]

Is there any plans onto optimizing the game?, low fps and constant stuttering were a thing in my case at least

Still enjoyable at lower resolutions tho

[glass sorrel]

get a $4000 gaming pc

problem solved

[frigid talon]

nice, now just need the money

[hybrid scarab]

Is the game made in unity and if so what render pipeline is used ?

[primal canopy]

Unreal 5.

[primal canopy]

The rendering system in Unreal Engine uses DirectX 11 and DirectX 12 pipelines.

[hybrid scarab]

Oh wow interesting! That seems to be part of the reason why the lighting is so great. Thanks for the response

[primal canopy]

Of course, it’s not often I find somebody asking about game engines!

Are you a unity dev?

[hybrid scarab]

Yep! I just got into the industry a year ago and I'm trying to start my own project. Im really inspired by the visual fidelity of Dark and Darker and I'm trying to determine which pipeline to go with in Unity or if there's even a point to keep going with unity since Unreal seems to be way ahead at this point. Lol going to be a tough swap to c++ if I decide to go the unreal route

[burnt badger]

.

.

Hello everyone, I would like to know where I can download the game. on steam I can't because the game is not for download, where can I play.

[primal canopy]

You can’t play it at the moment. It’s a game in play test.

[primal canopy]

I’m a game artist not a developer so I can’t comment on the coding language that goes into unity or unreal, not my fortay. But I find that Unreal is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition at the moment.

[burnt badger]

OK thank you. but could you tell me how i can do the play test

[primal canopy]

Unconfirmed at the moment but sometime around steam fest in February.

[burnt badger]

ok thank you

[hybrid scarab]

I'm definitely going to be considering Unreal now. Lighting and visuals is not my strong suit so it should help me a lot in that area

[primal canopy]

There’s certainly more accessible content and classes for unreal.

Unity tutorials are usually outdated, a few iterations behind.

Plus you get things like megascans, metahuman, live link.

With unreal.

[hybrid scarab]

All great things to know! I appreciate your advice and time. I'll be doing a lot of unreal research tonight lol

[primal canopy]

No problem, and yeah research is key. Hard for me to summarize everything here.

[grand ice]

I've only played a handful of D&D games and none of them included a bard. Can the bard be effective in combat or will they be mostly relegated to buff/debuff support?

[warm oar]

I'm having a hard time picturing Vicious Mockery in DaD, but something more akin to a Valor Bard (5e) is what I think we'll see- a gish.

[hot crown]

Really? I had no issues whatsovere compared to Escape From Tarkov the game flies I guess thats the Unreal Engine vs Unity difference

what are your specs?

[rancid yacht]

Waiting for some official numbers on concurrent players and total players for the last playtest

[hot crown]

https://steamdb.info/app/2078890/graphs/

@rancid yacht

[flat ginkgo]

Has there been any concideration into giving clerics the meditate ability like wizards have?

[hot crown]

I would hate that, you can bring campfires anyway

[flat ginkgo]

so why do wizards have the ability?

[hot crown]

The thing is wizards dont have healing ability

and healing items cost money in this game so having infinite heals is bad for the game in my opinion

[flat ginkgo]

how would u feel about a passive to allowing teammates near the cleric to have a slow heal over time?

like 1-3ish over a sec or every other sec?

and reduce some of the combat healing ability of cleric?

[hot crown]

that would make cleric and his team immortal in "fog"

why would you want to introduce free healing, if you lose hp to monsters that means you are playing bad, if you lose hp while killing players you will most likely loot heals from them

[flat ginkgo]

maybe dmg inactives the passive for a cooldown?

[hot crown]

I just don't get why would you want something like this in the game tbh

[flat ginkgo]

when u see clerics right now

[hot crown]

every game

[flat ginkgo]

they always just sit with a spell prepped in hand waiting for someone to take dmg. I feel the fighting side of clerics are being overshadowed?

[hot crown]

And then you want to add out of combat ability

[flat ginkgo]

its not a fully fleshed idea

maybe the ring dm,g turns it off not just normal dmg?

i just never get to see clerics fight without it being a last resort even though they get access to pretty decent armour

[hot crown]

I've seen solo clerics play drunk 2h build

but usually when I duo with my cleric friend Its me on fighter and he is buffing and healing mostly yeah. But to make them fight more they should take somethin away from heal/buff because the class would be too overpowered I feel.

[acoustic flume]

clerics last test had -1all stats compared to all the other classes, i wouldnt be surprised to see battle clerics next test

[flat ginkgo]

i want more battle clericss

i feel healing should be secondary not primary

[hot crown]

But there will be more classes

Maybe a Paladin

[flat ginkgo]

paladin would be sick

[hot crown]

So just have to wait at this point. I personally think cleric is fine and until there are more classes if it doesn't fit your playstyle then play something else. Maybe if there will be no class like paladin then they will give more combat ability to cleric. Will see

I just think any idea of infinite free heal is bad

[flat ginkgo]

true

[hot crown]

The next target is bard class for now

[tawny haven]

Next playtest?

[acoustic flume]

feb6

[pliant cloud]

You're asking for a date of next playtest, or a Bard class release?

[tawny haven]

My bad if it wasn't specific enough for you but next playtest date(thanks for responding)

[tawny haven]

Thanks

[pliant cloud]

From 6th february to 13th 😉

[rancid yacht]

this is inaccurate info. i personally witnessed 73k ingame via the ingame menu. this is why i asked for the devs data, which they said they would try to find due to steamdb not being configured properly yet. thus i am asking again.

[simple jetty]

the devs themselves announced a thank you for 100k concurrent at some point, iirc

[rancid yacht]

ty. i would love to see these numbers, as well at daily and weekly totals as well.

[simple jetty]

looks like that might have been about discord users, just found it. #📢announcements message

[rancid yacht]

ahh well either way the devs have the data i seek

[quartz bear]

They also mentioned over 1 million total unique players.

[rancid yacht]

these numbers seem useful for advertising, and for convincing others to try it. surely they wrote them down somewhere, or can share them again.

[shut scaffold]

I thought they said 100,000 unique players. Steam stated something like 68,000 concurrent players

[rancid yacht]

I think whats happening here is that since the steamdb hasnt been configured yet, it was probably just showing how many were ingame, due to likely different game servers than lobby servers (matchmaking servers), and thus that likely means it was about 69k ingame and 15-20k in lobbies. once it is configured to add them together, it will be more accurate.

[shut scaffold]

69,533

[shadow totem]

nice

[tall kindle]

did you make the lobby from 16 people to 33?

are the merchants going to buy items at different prices?

[hot crown]

what? :D

[trim gust]

First floor will have 33, second is 16, 3rd is 9 if im not mistaken

[mystic perch]

is the game gonna cost money when it gets out?

and if yes, about how much?

[crude bobcat]

how big is the development team at IRONMACE?

[trim gust]

~25 people i believe.

[crude bobcat]

thank you!

[rain saddle]

Do you know why sdf, Luci, and Graysun are the only people on this discord?

[trim gust]

negative. no one said they are the only one the discord. but they are probly the ones that tell players whats happening, etc. so the others can do their job.

[rain saddle]

Ah, is sdf the lead dev?

[trim gust]

no idea on the name of the lead. atleast not his discord tag.

[quartz bear]

Read some of the first lines from the last announcement

[past cradle]

support steamdeck?

[fast gate]

How much will the game cost in the future? 20 or maybe 30 dollars?

[twilit sparrow]

I have a few relatively small questions, if you wouldn't mind.

Are the current assets used for monsters the ones we should expect to see permanently, or will they be edited further?

How likely would it be for enemies to have some level of graphical randomization to sorta mix it up a bit? For example, zombies getting randomized patterns of pustules on them, or skeletons with broken or cracked bones.

Are there any plans to add some form of randomization to dungeons? For example, graffiti on walls or floors, tapestries or art(Lootable or otherwise), torches having a chance to spawn turned off.

@timber mist Reposting it here since Teddy asked

[timber mist]

A lot of things will be different upon full release, they might be more fleshed out.
The current monster pool is pretty small compared to the full picture.
Right now we are just setting up the basis, I am not sure about randomization, but definitely more variety.
As for the dungeons, this isn't decided yet so I have no answer.

[surreal ivy]

I heard there was a mention of in game guilds/companies, was this confirmed? It's probably a decently big undertaking, but having reward tracks for Guilds would be awesome. Things like cosmetic options (maybe a tabard or something that can be customized, unlock more options as the guild levels), a Guild hall that can be used for lobbies that shows your Guild's crest client-side, maybe even furniture that can be customized by leaders/officers. There's a lot of potential for extra details and immersive additions, is the team interested in adding these kinds of things in the distant future?

Also I think guild leaderboards would be great. If there's ever an arena added it would also be a great place for guild v guild content.

[timber mist]

Yes a guild system is planned for the future.
What it might consist of is currently in discussion 🙂

[surreal ivy]

The foundation of this game and the very unique feel it has makes me optimistic for the future when it comes to additional features that dive deeper into the world of D&D, can't wait to see what the future holds 😄

[fast gate]

Are there any issues that the developers might have about the game going forward? Such as cheaters and or toxicity with guilds?

[desert remnant]

Ofc there are many issues.

They'll solve em when it matters

[limber dawn]

did they release the data for playtest 3? like class pick rates and stuff?

[rancid bridge]

They have not released it yet. They do intend to release it when it's rdy.

[azure veldt]

Any ETA on the data from playtest 3? @timber mist 🙂

[timber mist]

It is low priority, but hopefully within a week.
It could be longer than that though.

[azure veldt]

understandable, I am a data dork and i love that stuff. Ty!

[plush wave]

I'm sure I read somewhere the next test is in Feb I thought it was the 7th but it is not a weekend? I need to know so I can put life on hold. I have an itch that I cant scratch. Is there any chance it'll open up this month?

[last grove]

I am in same boat. I have a time off slip for work in my hands but don’t know what dates to put down lol

[azure veldt]

its planned during next fest on steam which runs from the 6th of feb to the 13th of feb but i'd wait until they officially announce the dates for it.

[hushed rune]

Solo queue is being asked for almost daily now. For many players having to take on 3 people at once just to be able to play the game instead of at least being able to play a slightly unbalanced solo mode is a deal breaker.
Could we see a solo queue test in the next playtests?

[bright knot]

@timber mist I think I read somewhere that all classes from D&D 3e will be in the game. Is that true, and how are the devs deciding which other classes to put in the game? I haven't played Dungeons and Dragons, so I'm wondering if the devs are trying to keep the classes in Dark and Darker true to Dungeons and Dragons.

[solid hull]

whens the next playtest?

[crude lantern]

February 6th to 13th

@solid hull

[timber mist]

It would be great to have them all, but that cannot be promised and is far off if it is possible.
The theme of the classes will remain as true as we can, but we also want to make our own unique variations.
So they will only remain true to some extent, but after all this is Dark and Darker not Dungeons and Dragons 😉.

[timber mist]

The exact dates of the next playtest aren't announced but they will fall within the Steam Next Fest!

[idle charm]

hopefully rat mode will never be a thing.

[lucid ice]

do we get notified if a player we reported gets banned?

[timber mist]

No, but if you reported them with evidence they are most likely banned already if actually doing something against the rules.

[lucid ice]

alright thanks boss

was waiting to hear back on cheater incidento but that clears things up

[thorn pecan]

Will the maps get bigger, if they do is there a chance for bigger lobbies?

[past spruce]

I second this i gotta know i dont mind paying 60$ but it would be nice if it was 20$ to 40$ something like that would be pretty neet

[past spruce]

So just to be clear the play test is or is not gonna be the during the next fest you have it announced is a different channel that its gonna be on the 6th to the 13th

[pliant cloud]

There's a plan to start it from 6th to 13th, everything might change 😉

[past spruce]

Man i hope not thats my free weekend well i guess we will see

[open mist]

@timber mist Sorry for ping, did warden applications have a result or still in queue ? (I talk about the ones sent before its closed)

[prime venture]

it can't be at 60$ logically because as they stated it will go in early access in Q2, and therefore the price will be around like other early access games on steam. It might increase the price only after early access stage when it will be fully released in Q4.

as my personal guess and opinion i think it will be in early access as 24$ or perhaps 29$
and once fully released in Q4 it will be 35$ or 40$
maintaining an accessible and competitive price is way better because it could reach more players

[past spruce]

guess we will see

[polar yoke]

wouldn't be surprised to see them mirror tarkov pricing

I think $35 is pure hopium though

[hushed rune]

25-35$ pricing is the sweet spot in my opinion for a early access game of this type

[prime venture]

what they could also is some innocent supporter pack like they did in "ready or not" or "deep rock galactic"
an extra additional dlc just merely to support developers and getting some extra stuff like maybe skins that have no impact on gameplay for supporters
and everyone could be supporter at anytime by buying such supporter pack

[fathom bluff]

Yeah! Let me pay $50 extra to get a dwarf skin or something! 🤣

[prime venture]

just a 10/20$ supporter pack
completely very optional and the only meaning of it it would be just to support developers only

[fathom bluff]

Not enough! How many tiers of supporter pack you think we can get? Lol shut up and take my money 😄

[prime venture]

keeping a price for the game competitive it's proven to be always way better cause then more people willing to try and buy it
like an example of an indie vampire survivors even if i dont like it as game
many people bought because price was low and it went very viral and still earned as some triple A game 🤔

[polar yoke]

lol

[timber mist]

They will be reviewed again before the next playtest!
Thanks for asking.

[open mist]

Thank you 🙂

[dire breach]

Guys how much times we will get wipe in the game ? how much times afther every wipe ? i hope its 6 or 9 months

[burnt badger]

is there going to be settings for increased FOV in the upcoming playtest?

[silent sun]

I hope it's going to be every 3 months

[dire breach]

x3, 9 months best

[silent sun]

9 months is way too long

how often does Tarkov wipe?

[dire breach]

6 months

[terse lynx]

@timber mist any chance I can use my name on this game. VAGUE. It tells me it is not acceptable. I assume because it has V A G in it, but Vague is not an offensive word. Can you please fix it so I can use my name?

[hushed rune]

The profanity filter in this game was crazy. Both me and my friend also couldn't use our nicknames. I wanted to name my character Spazz after Spazz Maticus from Heroes: Might & Magic 4 and my friend wanted to name his character Ishi (the guy from Bulletstorm). Both nicknames were not acceptable for some reason.

[terse lynx]

Wow that's kinda bad. Spazz seems perfectly fine. Ishi.. might mean something in another language IDK

[terse lynx]

If they add VOIP then the filter might as well go away. Coms are going to be toxic as hell anyway. I hope they don't ad VOIP. At least let me silence it.

[hushed rune]

I think the filter is trying to interpret Ishi as SHI-t

[terse lynx]

Then that is just way too strong of a filter

Vague is a legit word it just has VA-G in it

I had to get my wife to point out what was wrong with the name Vague

I didn't even see it

Why stop Spazz tho

[winged girder]

I think spazz is filtered because it can be used as an insult/ prefix to other insults. Not sure what else would fit the name

[terse lynx]

Hmm still not offensive

[winged girder]

Your a fucking spazz

Is offensive

Which is the point I'm trying to make.

Maybe not the word by itself. But how it can be used

[terse lynx]

Call me a Spazz it means nothing but I am all over the place

It is not derogatory

[hushed rune]

When voip makes it's way into the game words like "shit" are going to be baby talk compared to what you usually get to hear. I understand having this kind of profanity filter in Roblox where there's children everywhere, but in a game for adults where you are guaranteed to hear people bragging about fucking your mom the filter feels too intrusive

[terse lynx]

Even effin spazz is not offensive

[winged girder]

For your Interpretation of it yes. But where Im from its short for spastic. Which is a insult to people with learning difficulties and things alike. Making spazz a word that's offensive

[terse lynx]

I seem the name Dumbazz

Seen

So how is Spazz worse

Omg is it the azz...

[hushed rune]

Aw for fuck sake. Since when? Still though, I believe anything can become an insult if you make it so. "You fucking moron/idiot/buckethead/brickface/spazz/dumbass" and so on.

[terse lynx]

Cause I thing dumbazz was spelled strangly

It is the azz....

I 100% think it is the Azz in the name. Just like Vague.

[hushed rune]

Well to end this topic since it doesn't belong into the Q&A section I just want to add that I'm really disappointed that just because the intrusive filter assumes I have bad intentions I can no longer use my nickname...

[terse lynx]

No way man, that must be some local slang, I have never hear Spazz used as an honest insult.

[winged girder]

Yeah your not wrong but those are general insults. When your potentially insulting something out of someone's control it can seem personal. Again all this is why I think it's blocked. Not that I know of. I'm just saying how it could be Interpreted.

[terse lynx]

I can all you a mop. Like the tool used to clean the floor. Anything can be an insult. Hell I could just call someone a tool as an insult

[winged girder]

Your just throwing out generic insults tho. That argument doesn't stand well for not being able to use spazz. I can't even use 4ss in normal discord here so 🤷

[terse lynx]

We can't cut up a language because someone might get offended by a name.. remove all names I will be wizard#30629