q-and-a

[shrewd heron]

Idk man, fun perhaps? Weird concept ik

[warm adder]

They have a plan for an always active early access/beta before Q4 just no idea on an exact date yet

[covert crater]

dope, thank you for the information man!

[shrewd heron]

Decent chance there will be another play test too, but we have to wait and see

[smoky crescent]

they should just release it for 30-40$ and just do updates along the way

[covert crater]

not now, game isnt that polished yet maybe ib a few months '

[sterile ether]

people are so mad with a free game without server stability imagine servers unstable and paying for it

[silent root]

They have mentioned early access will start in April 2023

[merry condor]

I think i might have been banned for using an inappropriate username how can i fix it?

[covert crater]

You can delete the character

[merry condor]

nahhh it says my access to the game has been revoked so i cant open it

[gilded sedge]

Just seeing this but besides it can help in semi-rare instances where your right swing is blocked by a wall or object. Swinging with the left to get around guard easier or to hit around the side of an object

[carmine sapphire]

will they add more classes?

[jade tundra]

When willl playtest end for eu?

[gilded sedge]

Yes. I believe bard and druid are soft confirmed (seen in concept art)

[carmine sapphire]

i need a monk

ARE THEY ADDING MONKS?

[civic cave]

I think it has to do with the motion of the swing for each weapon which might be helpful to overcome blocking opponent

[plain hatch]

Will playtest progress save for full release or will it reset?

[vagrant atlas]

i think it gets reset

[burnt badger]

when doesgame close, it says 2am my local time, im pst

[rustic quartz]

As a rouge if you use two daggers the secondary one stabs way quicker while the first does more dmg. You can rotate stabs and do between 3-4 more than a Regular basic stab. Duel wielding is actually good.

[opaque current]

When is the next play test going to be? I also just wanna say that I’ve enjoyed the hell outa this game and can’t wait to see it grow.

[thorn kettle]

Does Cleric have any way to replenish spells?

[oblique crescent]

Just campfires

[thorn kettle]

Thanks!

[tepid turret]

is the random rubberbanding getting worse?

[grizzled jolt]

anyone having matchmaking issues cant load in

[ebon blaze]

yes we just quit trying

[wet hull]

Any clue If items like emotes, skeleton races, or the blue torch will reset as well?

[austere vale]

how can the pavise be useful

[winged goblet]

anyone else having rubberbanding issues?

[heady burrow]

is there decided release date already?

[kind light]

Is War Maul the only other weapon type the Cleric can use? aside from staves and books

[spare sigil]

how do i equip the blue torch any1??

[austere vale]

probably in customize although i dont own it thats where the skeleton skin is

[junior steeple]

how to dodge ghost king slam?

[umbral zephyr]

Is there going to be another alpha test before the full release?

[outer arch]

do we know when servers go offline?

[young wedge]

What does 50cc mean in trading? what is CC?

[kind light]

Candy Canes

[young wedge]

how much do candy canes sell for in gold?

[kind light]

idk check the trade channels

[sand grail]

Where does one get rubysilver powder?

[junior steeple]

alchemist

[last spindle]

are the campfires you purchase from wood better than the ones that come with ranger

[deep plover]

Does wizard benefit from knowledge stat?

[dark obsidian]

how long until playtest ends?

[last spindle]

@deep plover yes it gives you more slots for spells

[split comet]

what time does the playtest end tmrw?

[deep plover]

cool thanks, and to answer ur question. Probably not cause they both have the same quality. Usually better ones are green/blue quality

[last spindle]

@deep plover Thanks thats what I figured.

[warm adder]

Jump when he sparkles

[valid gate]

is it actually monthly playtests? ive heard many different things

[warm adder]

So far and that's their goal with circumstances permitting

[frozen lodge]

Probably already asked, what time are the servers going down. What time zone is "local time"?

[valid gate]

US West (Oregon) - December 26, 2022 2:00 AM
US East (Virginia) - December 26, 2022 5:00 AM
SA Brazil (Sao Paulo) - December 26, 2022 7:00 AM
EU Central (Frankfurt) - December 26, 2022 11:00AM
SEA (Singapore) - December 26, 2022 6:00 PM
East Asia (Seoul) - December 26, 2022 7:00 PM
Oceania (Sydney) - December 26, 2022 9:00 PM
no clue on the local time thing tho

[warm adder]

if you are referring to the post from the devs in announcements they had a dynamic post that should display the time in your local time!

When this happened to me I force quit steam through task manager and that fixed it!

[rigid seal]

can someone teach me how to dodge fireballs from wizard? ty

[warm adder]

I don't know if it will help, but it has a pretty big hitbox but a slow travel rate, so if you are at a good distance it's pretty easy to get out of the way, then you can close distance so they have to hit themselves to hit you and that'll usually force them to cancel and do something else!

[modern sparrow]

this may sound dumb but is it possible to have my access revoked from the game for having cum in my name? was just fully geared out running through lobbies and after the fourth game i got my access revoked and now i cant play 😦

[spice oxide]

That might be possible, not sure for sure, but I imagine it would be considered inappropriate @modern sparrow . #📜rules

[thorn night]

Are they gonna buff pickpocket perk, because its a really boring and useless perk.

[fervent nest]

how much is gonna cost the game when released?

[deep plover]

+2 weapon damage or +3 physical power?

[celest orchid]

Is this really the last playtest till launch? Saw a big streamer say thats what they were told

[valid timber]

I hope not, i caught wind of this game and the playtests way too late

[snow pollen]

whats the best perks for archer and berzerker?

[ocean island]

does nicholas just not sell bows?

[hardy trench]

which campfire recovers the Fighters heal ability?

[hardy trench]

Smash, Axe Spec, Iron Will (swappable), Toughness.... Nimble Hands, Sharpshooter, Ranged Wep Expert and then whatever, i like tracking to see rogue/wiz steps in stealth

[celest orchid]

2 of them do

[pseudo furnace]

is the skeleton/skull key still in the game

[viscid flame]

Is it normal for the game to take up 50% of gpu? Running radeon vega 64 i know its bit out dated but kinda rough lol

[burnt badger]

does +2 additional physical damage add 2 damage to the weapon?

[forest steeple]

Does dual wielding give you both weapons enchantments at the same time?

[hardy trench]

Fighter perks to run when 2h longsword? Does counterattack work?

[calm ravine]

We saved up gear to fight the hell boss, and our party of 3, with full health and max gear with tons of stuff, instantly died. All 3 at once. Can anyone explain this?

[hardy trench]

were you all outside the circle?

[sinful spade]

"Local time" is listed because it's displaying the time compared to the time zone set on the device your viewing it from

[burnt badger]

when does testing end? i need to know so i can give away my money

[hardy trench]

does Counterattack work with Longsword parry on Fighter?

[sinful spade]

In 5 hours

[neon mural]

Has anyone found a fix for the studderstep/teleportation stuff or where the bows wont reload etc. Is it just that the servers are overloaded?

[mild mulch]

Will cosmetics reset on wipe?

[gaunt helm]

I WAS WONDERING IF I GET TO KEEP MY SKELE TOO

[neon mural]

It's a play test. By definition you will lose everything.

Nothing in a play test is permanent. There are too many changes (many drastic) the prevent it from being fair and equitable.

At least that's how all of them I've been a part of go. Mind you I'm not on the dev team or anything.

[placid tangle]

OH MY GOD NOT A LOT OF TIME LEFT

[wispy tangle]

does playtest end today\

[golden garden]

yes early AM on the 26th

[cloud crane]

Is it too soon to ask for the next one

[sinful linden]

tried fighting the lich but when he does his blue circle on one of the players what are we supposed to do? it was on me and i was told that i should have no other players near me, and i did but it 100% full hp killed me

[balmy gyro]

Does back pavise block attacks?

[brittle wigeon]

No

[cloud crane]

I forgot exactly but I believe there's 2 types of circles, one needs 2+ players to soak, other needs the person in question to have nobody near, iirc its purple and blue

[sinful linden]

@cloud crane the purple one is 2+ players in the same circle for sure, as for blue... i was alone with no one near me, not even skeletons and i got full hp one shoted

[cloud crane]

Any possibility you got hit by the homing projectile?

[frank osprey]

Blue circle you need to be alone, Purple circle is 1 persone = death, 2 people = 50% dmg and 3 peoples = 25% dmh

[sinful linden]

im positive when i died, the only thing i saw on my screen was the blue lighting blot that came down on me when i was completely alone from all attacks and mob agrro, not even the one shot purple orb

[frank osprey]

For projectile, you have a very slow purple one. It follows you and you need to make it collide with a skeleton, the boss or even a wall for it to go away

[cloud crane]

Unsure then, I only killed it twice very early on during this phase then just stuck to pvp

[sinful linden]

ah thats ok, i just wanted to confirm that blue meant to stay away, ill probably try lich again next play test and try and see if i can record so that when it does happen i can report it as a bug

[gaunt helm]

\

[olive vigil]

Is there any news that a new trading system will be added after the official release or early access?

[sacred root]

is the next playtest a wipe?

[narrow ledge]

Anyone know if the game will be free, I’m debating on saving or spending some of my leftover money soon, depending if it will be priced

[frank osprey]

It won't be free. The monetization will be similar to Hunt Showdown

[gaunt helm]

save ur money for skins if its free

[rigid narwhal]

Should i grab another beer or save some for tomorrow?

[slender sluice]

The game isn't coming out till Q4 2023. So you have 9-12 months to save up 😂

[inland crest]

Anyone know if they plan on releasing it to EA? or is that even 9+months out?

[frank osprey]

Yes

[sullen bluff]

Is it just me, or are there certain chests that are always mimics?

[lime whale]

no they are all different sizez

[sullen bluff]

I know some chests can be mimics occasionally and regular other times, but there's one specific chest that seems to always be a mimic

[lime whale]

well you might be right on the wodden chest the meatl ones cant be

[leaden glacier]

WTB dark and darker alpha beta access?

[sullen bluff]

I don't mean a certain chest type, but a specific chest in one of the room formations

[neon folio]

is resourcefulness already implemented in the game or not?

[sullen bluff]

I believe so, I think it just speeds up your action time

[warm needle]

when do servers go off tonight?

[civic oasis]

Is there a roadmap to take a look at? I'm curious what the plans are, and what's already in that I may not have noticed.

[craggy kelp]

will there be potentially be a way to implement a bard class to dark and darker in the future?

[raven pulsar]

how often do they release the game to play test?

[solid epoch]

In my experience, that seems to be the case. One in particular, between 2 swinging axes, has been a mimic 100% of the time. And for some reason, my teammate will still try opening it with the circle closing in. lol

[crude lantern]

Not yet

@raven pulsar Usually once a month, towards the end of the month. Last month I think they skipped it

[craggy kelp]

US West (Oregon) - December 26, 2022 2:00 AM
US East (Virginia) - December 26, 2022 5:00 AM
SA Brazil (Sao Paulo) - December 26, 2022 7:00 AM
EU Central (Frankfurt) - December 26, 2022 11:00AM
SEA (Singapore) - December 26, 2022 6:00 PM
East Asia (Seoul) - December 26, 2022 7:00 PM
Oceania (Sydney) - December 26, 2022 9:00 PM

[crude lantern]

No roadmap, but devs have done interviews, here's a small list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9UpmeHDgIc - 2 playtests ago dev interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_tYY0B3OrA - this playtest interview with pestily and devs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKULTFV9HRM - 2 playtests ago but had more juciy info

[gritty quail]

Do they have any intention of increasing stash size. I saw that thare is a tab system already implemented and they could just give you more tabs or let you buy them.

[abstract basin]

hey guys i have a question, i got banned, im not exactly sure why but i believe it was cuz of my name. will i be able to play next play test or when the game is out?

[civic oasis]

just need bags inside bags inside bags so that you know its there, just not sure where

[abstract basin]

or is it possible for me to get unbanned?

[swift imp]

ip banned so no matter what you do youll never be able to play

[abstract basin]

oof because of name?

[swift imp]

im just kidding lol, idk

[abstract basin]

bro i almost cried

[fickle field]

does anyone know when the next playtest is

[abstract basin]

so can i get more info on this matter?

[fickle field]

maybe email support?

[abstract basin]

where can i get there support email?

[fickle field]

https://www.ironmace.com

[swift imp]

have you tried making an alt steam acc first and checking if its your steam acc the one that got banned?

[abstract basin]

nah

[fickle field]

all the way at the bottom of the site are links

[red frigate]

what kinda name did you have to get banned...?

[rocky crest]

how do i report a team killer?

[crude lantern]

#1056520745330675763

[crude lantern]

what was the name?

[neon folio]

thank you ! well why do my character feels faster at opening doors... hmmm

[crude lantern]

Ranger/Rogues are faster at it due to having Agility. Check Fopdoodles only on the lobby screen, bottom right corner. Open it, 2nd page will explain stats and what they do

[scarlet lodge]

Do we keep adventure points after the playtesting (the points to get the skeleton player model?)

[crude lantern]

Maybe if they add a hideout so we can level up our Stash, and then having quests with Prapor... er... Weaponsmith

@scarlet lodge No, everything is wiped. @scarlet lodge What part of everything is hard to get?

[crude lantern]

Bard Class is the next class to be added confirmed 100% but they're saying they wanna experiment and do something out of the box with the guy. Personally I want Mordhau style instruments with bots who can play the DOOM BFG Division song on demand

[scarlet lodge]

even if you get the skeleton skin

[regal anchor]

progress gets erased between playtests right?

[gritty quail]

@scarlet lodge everything!!!

[crude lantern]

EVERYTHINGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (EVERYONE.GIF)

@woven crater about 4 hours

[woven crater]

What time does this current play test end?

[crude lantern]

Do it in #1056520745330675763 channel, this is the q&a channel

You don't need to link, you go to that form, you get 3 questions - Name, Proof and what he did. Put his in game character name (if you have it) or put his discord name (which is Weather Man#8883 if its the guy you linked, but the discord name is KIND OF USELESS for this purpose). Proof put none but if you have some proof to show please show, then put a description of what happened exactly

[swift imp]

yup. also can you gift me nitro pls?

[rocky crest]

oh okay thank you so much that makes more sense

[crude lantern]

can you not beg for Nitro?

@fickle field what is cross teaming?

[fickle field]

how bad is cross teaming in this game?

[neon folio]

yeah i read it but... im using fighter... hmmm guess nothing changes ...

[swift imp]

no.
also cross teaming is teaming with someone in the match that's not your initial team (is not in your squad). you can "communicate" by crouching and becoming friends and stuff, or by sniping eachother and queueing together on low queue nights

[crude lantern]

So normal teaming. It is possible, it's not too bad @fickle field I had a game where we as a trio befriend 2 solo barbarians... Just ran around as 5 and killed people in our way.

[fluid lagoon]

hi, anny info when finish the alpha?

[snow pollen]

how do you report people not for hacking but offensive names and messages and stuff

[crude lantern]

#1056520745330675763

@fluid lagoon You mean this playtest? It will end in like 4 hours or so

[thin relic]

Hi guys i can't click my country in role-assign channel, could you help me?

[abstract bone]

is there plans to make more classes in the future?

[crude lantern]

Yes, Bard is next

[abstract bone]

ohh fun

[fickle field]

its there a long time between playtests?

[abstract bone]

how will it differ from cleric?

[crude lantern]

Who knows

[daring halo]

do items with weapon damage increase fist damage?

[plain igloo]

when is the wipe? I can't wait for it lol

[grave pine]

probably not, you have to have the weapon held in hand to have the movement speed reduction and when I had a +2 to all stats weapon, i didnt get the stats unless i was holding weapon

[crude lantern]

in 3 hours

[peak trellis]

its not a wipe its over for alpha u cant play

[burnt breach]

do the stats of my secondary weapon only contribute if the weapon is in my hands or can i use a secondary as a stat stick

[peak trellis]

i really hope they will put marker next aplha test and remove wizzards

[abstract bone]

is there a way to tell if a chest is a mimic?

[burnt breach]

debuffs like barb fear will still put a glow on it if it is a mimic

[golden drum]

Pick barbarian and smash the chest

[crude lantern]

Stat stick as you referred to it.

@abstract bone No, but barbs can break chests so its faster than looting and will tell you if it's a mimic or not

[sonic hatch]

Playtest extended?

[peak trellis]

no

[timid lagoon]

When it end

[grave pine]

3 hours i think?

[peak trellis]

any a way guys see u all in 2 -3 month till next alpha comes

[bitter mountain]

the mechanics of the ghost king seem cancerous on highroller..how do you even beat him?? he teleports to you and instantly hits you lmao

[plush ivy]

how do you use the golden key on a golden chest? it said ineficeent skill when it tried?

[unique latch]

does anyone know if you can save anything before the playtest closes

[inner abyss]

how much more time do we have?

[crude lantern]

No all wiped

@inner abyss 3 hours

[hallow chasm]

how often does the play tests come by

[crude lantern]

Usually once a month at the end of the month

[slate fog]

Does axe specialization work with horseman's axe

[grave pine]

you have to have the item equipped if it works like lockpicks, meaning you have to put it on one of your 6 hotbar slots, then cycle to it

[plush ivy]

i did have it equipped and it still wouldnt let me use it

[grave pine]

Hmm, I can't say for sure. Havent fine across the key and chest myself

[sharp isle]

Is our progress gonna delete after the playtest?

[crude lantern]

You need to use the Key on the door of the tower in the coliseum, not on the chest.

@sharp isle Yes, everything will be deleted

[sharp isle]

Ah no wonder someone gave me everythin they got in the dungeon

[dim echo]

Does anyone know what the planned price of the finished game will be? And how the devs will plan to continue to receive money for upkeep? I am imaging some kind of cosmetic shop

[crude lantern]

Not confirmed

[viral cliff]

Why are the servers resetting?

[fickle field]

the playtest is over

[viral cliff]

Ok

[cold tundra]

playtest is over in 2 hours.

[crude lantern]

im in game. its not over. 2 hours or so

[low sedge]

5AM EST

[runic vault]

does the ghost king reset his hp bar if u leave the boss area or not

[celest orchid]

yes he resets lmao no cheese for you

[runic vault]

Okay i got destroyed by him multiple times

[frosty leaf]

Do you lose your stash after play test?

[bronze adder]

Yep

[left mirage]

when next playtest?

[bronze adder]

No idea but hopefully soon

[left mirage]

me 2

[grand merlin]

Have seen a lot of suggestions about extending the playtest/releasing v early access is there any real chance of this happening?

[slow junco]

when do the servers go down? How much longer do we have to play?

[fickle field]

Like 1 hour 30 minutes

[lofty acorn]

Are there plans to put D&Der on playstation? and if so will it have cross platform?

[keen nymph]

@lofty acorn currently no

[lofty acorn]

I mean plans for the future

[burnt badger]

hey do we know when we'll be able to play this game again? ;=;

[novel cipher]

@lofty acorn In the #❓faq they mention future plans for Xbox/Playstation I believe.

[lofty acorn]

thank you

[wispy tangle]

whens server end

[frosty iron]

when will playtest 4 come

[flint harness]

is there any Q&A or roadmap for next playtest wich stuff they bring/new classes or whatsoever?

[neat bramble]

they usually do dev interviews with content creators throughout the wait for the next one

[flint harness]

ty

[peak barn]

is golden key room high roller or normal dungeon

[fickle field]

Either I believe

[acoustic glacier]

If I buy a weapon does it stick around? Or same as loot ?

[fiery kettle]

soon

[limber kelp]

where do i use golden key?

[neat bramble]

nothing sticks around if you die while taking it with you. need to escape with it

[balmy ginkgo]

Are the servers going down or what?

[fickle field]

45 minutes

[inner abyss]

Attention Everyone, Servers will be extended to Jan. 1st ENJOY!

Wishful thinking haha

[forest steeple]

I have a feeling they're gonna release earlier

[ripe wind]

they have no reason to release earlier, this waved testing method is giving everyone blue balls, its great lol

[crude lantern]

Coliseum has a tower, at the top of the tower you can unlock a door

[ripe wind]

q2 2023 early access according to the dev interview might mean it 'releases' in 2-3 months anyway

[cold tundra]

Nah it's probably going to be released around mid year or end of the year.
They still have the quest system and service section to work on during hopefully the next playtest. which would most likely be in 2-3 months time.

[velvet rampart]

I really hope repair is not introduced.

[crude lantern]

It should be, along with weight slowing you down, backpacks, etc

[dusk prairie]

Does anyone know if they talked about an Offline mode? Similar to Tarkovs where you can go in and test builds, weapons, spells, etc.

[cold tundra]

weight is going to be implemented aswel. Which means you got 2 much loot, you can't walk.

[velvet rampart]

No need to just copy Tarkov.

[crude lantern]

that's half the fun of this game

[cold tundra]

i mean man, can you carry like 150kg and walk fast?

[dusk prairie]

Tarkov didn't invent offline mode

[velvet rampart]

Still referring to repair system. Menu'ing isn't exactly thrilling

[neat bramble]

yes

[cold tundra]

not including your own body weight*

[dusk prairie]

thats my bad, I had just wrote out tarkov so assumed you were replying to me. Sorry about that.

[neat bramble]

then no

[turbid karma]

Yeah I agree with atro. Repair shouldn't be introduced

[hushed onyx]

Why shadowplay create folder "Dungeoncrawler" For Dark And Darker records?

[pastel shoal]

how much longer for playtest

[calm ivy]

Bro 2 minutes

[burnt badger]

2 min I think

[pulsar current]

why are servers down

[crude lantern]

playtest over

@hushed onyx unofficial name of the game (within the unity engine) is Dungeoncrawler

@sharp locust Check #📢announcements

[vital quarry]

Unreal, not unity

[sharp locust]

when will next playtest be?

[foggy moss]

feb

[pale berry]

Guys how much are rare/epic/legendary weapons because i feel like i got scammed a couple of times also what should i do with candy ???

[crude lantern]

Learn the game and what stats do, then you can judge whether items are worth the gold or not. Candy, there is a merchant called Nicholas (Santa), he sells stuff for candy.

[neat bramble]

price depends on the stat rolls, just because something is epic/legendary/unique doesn't mean it's good if it has shit stat rolls

i saw so many ridiculous prices in trade chat for really bad items

[proven latch]

I found out about this test yesterday (sigh) and played basically all day... managed to extract 8 times (5 wizard, 3 ranger). Any tips on how to extract more consistently? I'd like to bring cool gear with me but it doesn't seem sustainable if I can escape once every 5 games 😂 As solo I mean. I imagine it would be way easier with a group

[analog blaze]

is there a way to report players for hate speech/racial slurs in chat o.o

[wise vessel]

Is the Rogue's Rupture and Poison applied to throwing knives?

[blazing carbon]

will the game be priced on release?

[analog blaze]

<@&1019888848773328936> where should i submit reports for people who were saying racial slurs in the trade chat in game?

[lapis epoch]

Dont know about hunter but wizard and rogue can mostly avoid pvp combat with stealth ( and creep as rogue ) as a solo player that helps a ton ( could also bring some stealth potions just in case , it comes in handy )

[fresh dawn]

#1056520745330675763

[neat bramble]

I would watch some YT videos for beginner/advanced tips. But mostly it's lots of practice. You will figure out ways to play more defensively, how portal/circle timings work, what are the best rooms for loot etc

[polar current]

Will be VOIP when game is launched?

[analog blaze]

this explicitly says for hackers though--is that alright?

[light flame]

will there be a wipe during the next playtest?

[fresh dawn]

yea you can use it for regular reports for anythintg else. I'll let graysun know to change it

[timber mist]

#1056520745330675763 🙂

[burnt badger]

Is there going to be any restrictions to how many of the same class can be in one party? Triple ranger feels better strong against any team comp.

[gloomy sapphire]

Hey, i just installed the game. I launched it and it says connecting than connection failed. Does anyone know what i can do?

[proven latch]

any in particular that you suggest? I see there are a ton and most are over 10 mins, extremely slowly-speaking people farming ads and not saying anything of much value. It's hard to find the best ones that really have valuable info

[crude lantern]

Playtest is over, you are late. See you on Feb 6th

[burnt badger]

Where is everyone seeing these new classes that are supposedly being added to the game in the future?

[crude lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKULTFV9HRM

@glass wraith Wiped.

[glass wraith]

Are my adventure points still in the game or is that wiped too 😦

NOOO I WANTED MY BLUE TORCH I HAD ENOUGH I WAS JUST TOO LAZY

[neat bramble]

Haven't watched any. I just assumed there's lots of them out there. I just learned through practice (~100h) and watching streamers (sacriel, pestily, bald egg head guy) play this and last playtest

[neat bramble]

never going to be restrictions, all classes can be in a party in any combination.

I've done well against ranger groups as an ambush rogue, just gotta kill one in close combat and disengage immediately and repeat.

[trail forge]

the activateablities can be applied with a throwable yes

[dense lotus]

How much will the game cost on release

[crude lantern]

about tree fiddy

[tacit steeple]

everything wiped.

[low sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9UpmeHDgIc <<< Interview with IRONMACE

[glass wraith]

in the suggestions tab why are there some posts that are green and some are not?

[prisma marsh]

is it true someone is trying to buy out?

[wise vessel]

Can you trap monsters with ranger traps?

[crude lantern]

I think no, but haven't tried

[opaque zodiac]

Yes depends. Skeletons you can

[boreal copper]

well you certainly can't trap the champion

[glass wraith]

im not sure about normal enemys but the elites and wraiths i coudlnt trap

[low sedge]

What do you mean "Buy out"?

[acoustic trench]

buy ironmace / buy the IP license presumably is what he means

[opaque zodiac]

Idk why that would even be a rumor. Devs have resisted all investment etc and they seem to love this game

[boreal copper]

41 days it's like years

[neat bramble]

? when they started development they looked for investors and got rejected a lot of times before getting enough money from investors , this was said in Q&As plenty times

[opaque zodiac]

No? It was literally the opposite. People were offering money and they declined it over and over. They said they were already funded. Idk what you’re talking about. Maybe early in the development process but I didn’t see it and certainly they have rejected all investors for quite a while saying they wanted control over the product and didn’t need it, etc.

[brittle oyster]

There is no info on a Buyout

[neat bramble]

you really need to watch the earlier q&a's, not talking about people offering money. It was the devs themselves looking for initial investment, the money that's supporting them now. of course there's investor money involved at the moment, it's not like they're living on air.

that said, given the popularity of the game, it's likely they don't need to search for additional investors/publishers that has a chance to change their direction of the game

[wind swan]

Do you guys know how much the game will cost?

[crude lantern]

about tree fiddy

[prisma marsh]

i want warden or someone higher to Touch on it lol just wondering if they got "Approached" for a buyout already rumors be flying

[dim thunder]

sry to bother you guys but why does it say failed to connect to the server. quit the game? thank y'all

[weak kindle]

Cause you got banned. Read announcements to find out why.

[dim thunder]

bruh i just downloaded it how am i banned

[burnt badger]

u were hacking @dim thunder

[real drum]

because this game scans your PC for illegal material and if it catches you with it it will automatically ban you

[crude lantern]

playtest is over, they're just joking. You missed like 8 days of this game

[ruby terrace]

is it already known how much this game will cost ?

[cold condor]

When will it be officially launched

[radiant shuttle]

someone know a game like this one for i play in jen, and feb? if u cant wrrite say in my priv

[celest patrol]

Do you know when the next play test will be and if so when?

[weak kindle]

Check announcements My god people holy fuck

[crude lantern]

Early access in Q2 of 2023.

@celest patrol check #📢announcements , in Feb during nextfest which feb 6th to feb 13th.

[odd flare]

I would like to participate in the Spanish translation of this game. I will be able to do it?

[opaque zodiac]

Yeah I mean, anything which happened earlier is pretty irrelevant to now

[neat bramble]

it's not irrelevant, initial investors still looking for their returns eventually

[formal seal]

are servers down till febuary

[timid isle]

is this game going to be free?

[light yoke]

Games similar to DnD?

Not just in combat but more so in where it's high risk high reward gameplay of losing your items or starting over - with multiplayer? 😭 I loved building up my character and losing it over and over, learning from each death until I had a character with purple/legendary items on its 20th run without dying etc 🙏

[craggy sleet]

Would the devs expend the playtest for 1mill?

[jovial needle]

game would blow up if it stays free

[shy skiff]

will Nicholas be back? i imagine holiday exclusive, i didnt get to buy anything sadly

[crude lantern]

Only during new year. During Halloween, Scarecrow will take pumpkins

[neat bramble]

probably next christmas yea, but there will probably be another event shop, probably valentine themed or smth because next playtest will be near that, maybe easter bunny for the easter playtest/early access, who knows

[timid isle]

there's always games like tarkov, or the cycle

[shy skiff]

hunt: showdown has that e cape and keep your loot. it’s similar game but cowboys vs zombies and demons

[burnt trout]

is there a reason why i cant connect

[crude lantern]

Yes, you have a weak understanding of the words playtest. Check #📢announcements

[long cliff]

Why can’t they let the community pay $10/$20 to keep servers running I’ve so many people say that they would pay it & pay again when the full game comes out

[dry beacon]

Imo it's because it's not about servers or costs as much as it is about making a complete product based on good data and proper development.
It really feels like devs are mostly focusing on making a complete game based on their own ideas rather than making the most people happy atm.

[flint crane]

The problem is, that probably when the game relase it will be more games to play

[celest haven]

I haven't seen the answer anywhere but my question is why closing the servers ? What it brings costs ?

[crude lantern]

Because it is playtest. This is 3rd playtest already. Next playtest is in February. Middle of 2023 they will release early access

[clear iris]

Are there any ways of supporting the Dev team currently?

[dapper ridge]

Were skins also wiped? I had enough points to buy the torch, but thought those would also be reset for next playtest

[celest haven]

that doesn't answer the question when i code an app i don t close the servers to release a new version. you can still get data and run the game, if it s a cost issue maybe people can participate

[dry beacon]

Beside playing playtests, reporting bugs and suggesting ideas I don't think so. Maybe supporting with fan-content creation I guess.
From what I remember in some recent interview. Iron Mace at the current moment and with their latest raising interest in the game and successes feel comfortable in secured financing. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
I bet they'd allow buying into early access if they had money issues.

[crude lantern]

@dapper ridge E V E R Y T H I N G I S W I P E D

@clear iris Just be part of the community, stay positive, follow the game, watch some interviews, recommend it to friends in discord servers you are in. Here's some dev interviews:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9UpmeHDgIc - 2 playtests ago dev interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_tYY0B3OrA - this playtest interview with pestily and devs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKULTFV9HRM - 2 playtests ago but had more juciy info

@celest haven This isn't an app. It's a game that is in early development*, which you can get pretty tired of in 1 week due to lack of content. So they are smart by not releasing it in this state or keeping it alive for long in this state. Devs got what they needed from this play test, which is data and our comments.

@rotund gyro yes.

[neat bramble]

they already secured funding until the q4 2023 release date before the immense popularity, they already had plans for these types of player numbers but far into the future, it just happened much earlier

which is good because they can hire more people for increased productivity

[lost stream]

Playing many big company games that were released too early, I don't you can emphasize enough how valuable this kind of proper testing and preparing to release complete product. I was hoping to play more since I found out this game only 5d ago but I loved every minute of it! And it already works better than big bucks game house "retail releases". Keep crushing it devs 👌

[severe folio]

Sometimes more people isn't making things get done faster unfortunately.

I'd agree with bug finding, more people would find more bugs.

But from the developers perspective, see what developer of Road to Vostok has to say. He explained really well why he cannot hire more people.

[neat bramble]

depends on the job title, more artists can create more assets, more QA is higher chance to find bugs, and they def need more people for player support eventually

[fervent yacht]

Leave Playtest 3 up until Jan 3, 2023!!

[knotty nebula]

is there any way to get in the closed play test?

[worldly harbor]

Have the devs said anything regarding the perks/talent trees recently?

[neat bramble]

yes, become a valuable employee of their company

@worldly harbor recently not really

[brazen garnet]

I doubt they'd let you in unless you were working for them

[next stone]

Why cant we let everyone keep playing it and meanwhile the devs can work on the game and then shut down the servers here and there for several hours to install the update and then go back to letting everyone have fun and not wanting to kill himself because the servers are down...

[south glade]

I am from South Africa and an issue that we face is a lack of servers, I don't know how easy this would be to implement but we would appreciate it if we had access to our owns servers here. Is this something that has been thought of ??

[knotty nebula]

well i want to work for them, i can provide them with detailed feedback etc for free, everyday

[fervent yacht]

Because the devs would have to spend more time maintaining a game at the current state then inproving it. Look at how many games are stuck in early access due to this

[crude lantern]

aka playing the game... everyday...

[hybrid flume]

Help , the game cant connect to server , anyone know why ?

[lucid saddle]

😭

[blazing shard]

#📢announcements message

[granite roost]

I think the playtest ended today

[sullen thistle]

playtest is over

[hallow mortar]

escape from tarkov

[hybrid flume]

The Cycle

[primal vessel]

When's next play test

[high hearth]

Feb

[viscid sedge]

Expedition Agartha is pretty close, extraction, full loot, mostly melee combat.

[high hearth]

Hunt showdown

[whole patio]

Please add a in game Trade channel by class. It will take less to develop, but it will be much more organized

[tribal tide]

Is there a way to join 2 voice chats on Discord?

Or even a possiblity to launch 2 Discord apps on 2 different accounts?

[livid gull]

maybe one in app and another in google

[mental kindle]

Are shared stahes planned?

[agile ember]

Genuine question: Why not just keep the game in early access and release updates as you go? curious what the drawback is here. We had nearly 100k concurrent players at one point so i know there’s enough demand. i’m sure plenty of people would be happy to pay $20-50 for this game right now as is

[waxen eagle]

Game doesnt have enough replayability right now. People would grow bored within a month. They don't want that. Releasing too early would have a negative impact on the future of the game.

[opaque zodiac]

No, unfortunately not

[hardy vector]

Because they will be changing things 24/7 and many people will get upset quitting the game before it comes out. its a good thing

No matter how much you love the game right now, your not gonna love it when its under hard development

[ancient jay]

The devs actual answer to this is that they have to spend time maintaining the game when it is live so it would take away from them progressing on the development of the game

[buoyant crest]

Some people may like it still but majority won’t

[agile ember]

ahh nice valid

[buoyant crest]

How much will the game be, any1 know?

[prisma cave]

Ladies and gentlemen, i'm withdrawal from this game. I need something that feels similar to survive on till next alpha test

[stiff atlas]

Failed to connect the server. what should i do/

[buoyant crest]

A play test just ended

[stiff atlas]

bru

[agile ember]

don’t think it’s been said. as is it’s probably a $20. depending on how much content that add it could be much more ($40-60)

[pliant tusk]

They probably fear people will burn themself out since not much content is there currently. Also i would assume this cbt is to keep people interested in the game over the long run of development but it can still be bad since the game grew so much in such a short period of time and people on Holydays have nothing better to do. But hey they can decide whats the best for their game and either watch it ascend to glory or have it fall like many others

[buoyant crest]

Yep

[buoyant crest]

I hope after getting a lot of money they don’t get greedy and screw the game up

[agile ember]

i doubt they will. haha i’m just excited to give them some money lol

[pliant tusk]

Microtransactions for cosmetics is more then u need to keep servers runing and earn money slong the way but there might also be a otp

[agile ember]

idk if it needs micro transactions

[pliant tusk]

Ever heard of LoL?

[buoyant crest]

Making the game p2w would be sad

[pliant tusk]

Cosmetics only.

But i also believe even if there was p2p for items you can still get ambushed and die regardless

So maybe having some kind of vanilla servers wgere u can only bring up to common/rare gear would be a good idea?

[opaque zodiac]

Best would be if you just get to pay an amount to be at the top of a specific pay to win leaderboard. Whomever pays the most is on top of that board and that’s it.

[buoyant crest]

Yeah sure, but if so I hope it doesn’t give a huge advantage to players that buy gear with real money. Also i think high roller and non high roller does a good job of creating a somewhat “vanilla server”

[pliant tusk]

Hmm. Welp most ppl currently ho naked on both so idk about that one

[hot crown]

What? If there is any way that you can purchase gear with real money legally I would just quit the game and I assume many people would

[pliant tusk]

High roller is a good idea but it should have some gear or ilvl whatever requirements to enter or people will continue sbusing the system

[ancient coyote]

id be okay with cosmetic stuff but i like the adventurer stuff rn

[pliant tusk]

Why, it only means u get more loot from them

[ancient coyote]

fighting legendary gear is a whole different level, you can pub stomp with just blues on much less purples

[hallow zealot]

Use Discord PTB

[hallow zealot]

You can if you use Discord and Discord PTB at the same time

[pliant tusk]

Tbh just getting 1-2 free hits from invis is more then enough. And if ur a decent zerker if they are avg with legendarys they get 3-4 hit

[honest cargo]

does the quality of a weapon influence it's attack speed at all?

[clear iris]

I feel like a small subscription service that gives you some stuff every month or week, survival stuff or something, a random thing could be something to help sustain.

[pliant tusk]

Agility influences wep speed as far as i remember

[hot crown]

It doesn't affect the speed unless it's got agility stat

[ancient coyote]

but thats just 2 classes lol, and if rogues dont have gear theyre not much of a threat same with barb

[pliant tusk]

Oh a barb or fighter naked can be devastating if played properly

[flint solstice]

Oooo share more, is it mainly speed?

[ancient coyote]

if they can get the jump on you maybe

[pliant tusk]

I mean judging by youtube the most clips/vids currently are barbs/fighters soloing average geared/skilled ppl

[ancient coyote]

honestly ive have more issues with clerics then fighter or barb

[clear iris]

i want to see a barbarian with wizard haste, cleric bles and the clerics weapon damage buff and ale buff smack

[ancient coyote]

yeah but that 1 geared barb soloing the lobby is going against naked players, i watch them too lol

[ancient coyote]

thats scary, cant get away from them

[pliant tusk]

The barbs/fighters are naked

[pliant tusk]

Maybe fighter would be a better choice then due to move speed

[ancient coyote]

in what video, the only i know that is naked is strangebad doing the fear build, but hes pretty damn good so

[final verge]

are servers down?

[ancient coyote]

no the playtest is over

[hot crown]

i want to see a barbarian with wizard haste, cleric bles and the clerics weapon damage buff and ale buff smack
@clear iris since the mage and cleric damage buff is flat damage it better works on rogue for insane dps because of attack speed

[clear iris]

i mean either or of them 😛

[pliant tusk]

Rogue with stilletto is fun

[hot crown]

But really hard to hit well moving target the damage makes up for it tho

[pliant tusk]

Speaking of rogues, they need to buff theyre stealth movement perk to either remove the noise they make while stealthed or give them more then 10 steps, also that 10step thing should be baseline

[crude lantern]

if that's what floats your boat...

[hot crown]

Speaking of rogues, they need to buff theyre stealth movement perk to either remove the noise they make while stealthed or give them more then 10 steps, also that 10step thing should be baseline
@pliant tusk I think just making it baseline would be good other than that I think the class is fine

[burnt badger]

For Every playtest its will be reset stats, items, levels and other?

[rough trout]

yea

[buoyant crest]

I agree, If used right the rogue is already really good

[primal mason]

Who is the administrator of this Discord Dark and darker?

[opaque zodiac]

I saw some absolute maniac rogues. If we could see solo leaderboard I bet it’d be all rogue.

@primal mason why?

You can talk to a warden about concerns

[buoyant crest]

I feel like if they add transactions to get gear it would lessen the feeling of being able to get your own gear and the adrenaline and excitement you get from getting your own gear.

[primal mason]

We have a very large number of Japanese players and would like to see them added.

[clear iris]

Buying gear will absolutely ruin the whole purpose of the game

[buoyant crest]

Exactly

[opaque zodiac]

<@&988703997378584596> space for Japanese chat?

[primal mason]

yes and role

[long cliff]

GIVE US THE GAME!!!! GIVE US THE GAME!!!! GIVE US THE GAME!!!! GIVE US THE GAME!!!! GIVE US THE GAME!!!! GIVE US THE GAME!!!!

[opaque zodiac]

Osama escaped and he’s craving Dark and Darker

[primal mason]

There are no Japanese roles in the #📢community-announcements and I would like to see them added!

[burnt badger]

Will the game be paid?

after relase

[opaque zodiac]

I pinged a warden for you, if they don’t get to you, wait a while and DM one

[primal mason]

Thank you so much. It helps!

[hallow mortar]

YES

People speculate it will be between 20/30€

[crude lantern]

yes

[inland mauve]

I like how this game showed that teabag is an universal language XD

[crude lantern]

This game taught you this? lol

[inland mauve]

usually ppl use to mock others

but here looks to be more friendship

[crude lantern]

My brother in christ

we meditate on people we kill

[lusty mist]

This is silly and just for comedic value, but I wonder if there's any chance the barbarian smash perk will work for unarmed attacks in the future?

[haughty hemlock]

Will my stuff dissapear in feburary?

[wet wasp]

Quick question, is this the final version Graphics wise or will they improve? Just wondering

[ember ravine]

Yes everything resets

[haughty hemlock]

Also skin points?

[honest jewel]

Not clear, probably yes though

The cosmetics itself do reset

[clear iris]

They're working with unreal engine and it's what they want to go with as many of them are learning it with this game, maybe some improvements here and there, but we'll see what the future hold

[runic warren]

This slaps, for sure, but this also slaps regardless of class. A Rogue under all of these buffs is ten times scarier than a Barb

[wet wasp]

I apreciate the reply, happy holidays

[real drum]

when the heck are they gonna add sorcerer, and if they do, are they gonna add the metamagic crap?

[trim echo]

When the playtest is going to an end?

[torn quartz]

It ended last night, the next playtest is currently scheduled for February 2023 (as per the announcements/info channels).

Question: Aside from the addition of the skeleton race, what other races were you guys interested in adding or exploring?

[wispy parcel]

orcs

[whole island]

Does anyone know if they're going to add more classes?

[warm adder]

There has been concept art for bard and druid so most people are assuming they at least are confirmed, but we don't have an official word yet

[clear iris]

Probably, but they most likely want to work out ways for example wizard and sorcerer to have varieties in spells in such a way that they FEEL different rather than just being different spellcasters on paper.

[whole island]

Understood and thank you for the answers!

[clear iris]

no problem, there's a lot ahead in the future surely, i'm excited to see what's to come!

[whole island]

As am I!

[glossy venture]

Is there any word on them updating any of the models in the game? For example, the hallways and ramps are just basic shapes with a texture slapped on. Compared to certain rooms that are fully modeled from floor to ceiling. I didn't know if these were placeholders as they make the game look much older than it is currently.

Or the lighting system currently needs to be looked at. There is no ambience and the falloff from light to dark is extreme.

[runic warren]

The general look of the game was WAY better this playtest than the last one. The Hell level was insanely hard just from the darkness alone

I wouldn't be too worried about the looks of textures and models

[runic warren]

I think this is likely intentional. Otherwise, it would be impossible to effectively hide in dark corners

[minor sky]

I've noticed the cleric has one less base stat point than every other class. Was the balance choice there because of the large amounts of util and sustain their spells provide?

[glossy venture]

Its something that is such an easy fix. I could even have it fixed within a few hours since the maps aren't even procedural

[native plaza]

Maybe because it’s called dark and darker the lighting is supposed to be yknow dark lol

[buoyant remnant]

idk if someone has asked this already but do we keep the cosmetic stuff me bought with adventure points or do those also get reset?

[steel vale]

darkness is a major aspect of the game and strategy. are there ways for people to negate it by messing with gamma or brightness settings? are there ways the dev team can counteract that if there are?

[azure anchor]

does anyone know why the game wont let me play it keeps saying failed to connect to server

[steel vale]

playtest is over

[brittle wind]

NOoOoOoOoOoOOOOOooo

[hollow lynx]

Does somebody know if there will be a solo dungeon ? I know that the question was already asked in the "dev-qna" but i dont know if it got awnsered

[pastel arrow]

Will there be an open beta soon or are we looking at more limited playtests??

[remote violet]

Up

[cloud notch]

They addressed this in an interview I think

[ocean hearth]

is there a date for the next playtest already?

[viscid spade]

sometime in February

[scenic vault]

is there a extension we get before feb to teest/play the game?

[fickle field]

No

[iron forge]

i cant wait for customisable characters

[bitter vector]

does anyone know the official HP of lich or ghost king? I have guestimated that something like a wraith probably has around 1200 hp based on the # of arrows shot into the head

did not get a lich kill this test

[cloud notch]

Feb 6th

[frigid talon]

How long will it last?

[ripe prairie]

https://www.change.org/p/release-dark-and-darker-as-it-is-today-as-a-paid-early-access-experience/sign?expired_session=true

[fickle field]

Bad idea

[kind sapphire]

Can we ever expect to have things like poker in the game to gamble our gold with friends or random people?

[lavish stirrup]

What is the ideology for IRONMACE surrounding crowdfunding and team expansion? I know it’s scary to see something unexpectedly blow up like this, but you have a clearly ravenous player base that seeks to support you both financially and through promotion and I’m just wondering your stance on accepting/avoiding a crowdfunding campaign, not to expedite the development process, but to ensure the devs are more than properly compensated for what many in the community are already considering their favorite upcoming game. I think saying no to crowd funding is fine, I’d just like to know if there is/was consideration for it.

[trail hollow]

Escape from tarkov

[wind pecan]

Hi is it true that in February we can play?

[torn kelp]

no shit

they made me love this game

and now i have to wait so much

[harsh narwhal]

I know it was mentioned before that the BR zone mechanic was not present in the last playtest, did it play out like you had planned and do you guys have any plans of changing or removing it in the future?

[fallow sinew]

Did you guys ever intend for the game to blow as it did?

[fiery coyote]

why cant we play

[dusk prairie]

Play test is over for now.

[granite dawn]

The zone mechanic was always there

[brazen roost]

Why do bows have infinite arrows? I think they should either limit the arrows to 3 slots so they dont just spam you arrows, especially hackers

[ocean hearth]

With normals bow they need tons of arrows, would be hard to buy em every round, i assume no one would play ranger then

[wind fractal]

Are there any plans for a ranged weapon healer class? Would love that as an alternative to cleric

[thick nexus]

are the female characters getting any hotter ?

can you please add traps, no not the archer class but female/makles

[fiery coyote]

get rid of wizard class

now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

meow 🙂

[pseudo crescent]

I actually wish I asked if shields would ever given passive blocking

It's really silly to hit someone straight through their shield model for full damage.
Or shoot someone who has the entire pavise on their back and it just goes through.

[muted marten]

Are there more classes planned?

[lethal harbor]

I already know that you stated that the next playtest will be in February, but is there any chance that the playtest will be released before then or is it a set date?

[boreal copper]

So even if i played dark and darker for long time i will still need to pay for it?

[next quest]

Hello there, are the servers down? when i open up the game it says "failed to connect to the server", what should i do?

[tough dust]

playtest over

[next quest]

its over already? when is the next one?

[crystal lake]

february 7

[tough dust]

early Feb

[next quest]

thank u

[pastel coral]

Are you guys planning on adding different enemies for the high-roller dungeons or will they stay the same as the normal dungeons?

[frosty musk]

are yall gonna give the cleric ..turn undead?

[vague vessel]

what's gonna be the cost of the game?

[solemn quartz]

Would you guys be able to bring a temporary server online for us to play whilst you work on it and put a item shop in to support costs of the devs and servers ?

[vapid coyote]

Anyone got insight on what the "trainings" are going to be? they were closed off this past play test

[ruby smelt]

Not sure if this question has been asked before, but are there any plans to allow the clerics to deal divine damage to things such as the hellhounds/other inferno enemies? I only ask due to the the flavor of the cleric being a divine caster and protection/damage against evil seems to be a theme with things like the undead damage boost

[craggy ember]

Are there any plans on releasing new classes and if so what classes are being thought about

[shrewd heron]

The icons in that page were a few random skills and perks. So I bet there will be a system for unlocking those as you level up

[stiff fractal]

Will ranger traps ever have some kind of nerf so they cant put 10 in a giant area to prevent access to portals at all?

[rapid helm]

@muted onyx What's the point of rogue stealth when Mages can cast invisibility on themselves and others with 5 charges and mach 10 speed while running? Also anyone can use invis potion.

[vapid coyote]

They answered this before with a riddle! go to this video and go to the class section: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKULTFV9HRM&t=559s&ab_channel=SoBadStrange

[ruby smelt]

The current counterplay is to disable them, no?

[vapid coyote]

Yeah that's what I figured! Thank youu

[meager nacelle]

is there any speculation on what they'll do/ what they'll add to the game before the next play test?

[upbeat leaf]

Do you think it'll be around late February when we see the next playtest go live?

[burnt badger]

,JKUL.I

[upbeat leaf]

everyone look in the dev-qna

[torpid crest]

Is Ironmace currently looking for English-speaking writers?

[craggy ember]

Will there be a necromancer class?

[spice iron]

The next playtest is slated for Feb 6-13th during Steam's NextFest event.

[solemn quartz]

Would you guys be able to bring a temporary server online for us to play whilst you work on it and put a item shop in to support costs of the devs and servers ?

[lethal shard]

who is gonna replace santa for next playtest?

[meager nacelle]

are there any plans later down the line to add any new kinds of maps or are you sticking solely with the dungeon map and adding onto that?

[fickle field]

They will add floor one eventually we’ve been playing on floor two and three so far

[desert sorrel]

Will the skeleton and blue torch skin be exclusive or will they make a return ?

[meager nacelle]

what I'm meaning is new maps overall like ruined castles, dark forests, and other map settings along those lines

[wary reef]

any class ideas that you can tell us about?

[fickle field]

I’m pretty sure the cosmetics got wiped also

[meager nacelle]

I think I've seen things for a bard, a druid, and maybe a necromancer

[topaz skiff]

Often times it felt like late game Circles resulted in the most pvp but also the closing of the circle resulting in an instant kill felt very punishing. The damage at times also felt a bit to low. It would be nice to see a scaling damage and a bit more time once the Circle fully closes. To many deaths to the Circle closing due to having a massive fight at the last few minutes. In the Hell portal it makes a bit more sense to have a hard time limit. But often it punishes players for staying for that last fight.

[spare musk]

I know you have said you use UE marketplace for Assets, I saw some Minotaur assets and thought it would be cool to have a single roaming boss on the 2nd floor. Do you have any ideas of like special encounters with in the dungeons?

[meager nacelle]

I think a giant mummy spider or an alternative version of the wraith or skeleton champion would be a great floor boss

or maybe a pharaoh boss?

[desert sorrel]

@muted onyx will the red skeleton skin return , i was so close lol

[steel narwhal]

i will riot in 30 seconds if the game is not open in 20

[pure spear]

you can riot bro

[ancient jay]

Probably Cupid

[raw dawn]

that would make for some videos of people walking backwards to an archer and then smacking them

im all for that

[torpid lodge]

when i try open up my game it says failed to connect to server quit the game.
pls help

[raw dawn]

press F for this dude

[hushed rune]

The biggest question is if we will see some form of PvE gamemode added seeing how desirable that idea has become

[raw dawn]

was it desirable?

[honest jewel]

That would be fire, like one that can revive a couple enemies to fight for him

[honest jewel]

Restart steam

[broken burrow]

when i open the game it says connection failed quit the game. how to fix it?

[raw nova]

wait until Feb 6th and then try again

[raw dawn]

open it in february

[honest jewel]

Restart steam

[hushed rune]

It's been suggested daily on #1048762118255673428

[open vault]

do you have in mind to add in the future eldritch like monstrosities

[glacial saffron]

Have you thought about slowing the circle a little bit? it feels a bit too fast and this comes from a guy who loves the game because of pvp

[high ivy]

Bloodborne-esque insanity levels when

[pliant egret]

how long are the servers down for ?

[chilly sierra]

feb 2023 lol

[open vault]

there will be races added to the game with pros and cons, purely cosmetical, or will be stricly to human playable characters?

[mild bronze]

youre trolling for surely

[brave lantern]

hey guys, just downloaded the game. I saw it was in playtext or whatever and it was free (dope) so I loaded it up and it can wont connext? So i went inside google and said "discord server for Dark and Darker" and joined the discords. I t would not let me post inside of the discord for a whole 10 minutes. So i clecked on the announcment thingy to get rid of the annoying notification and then went on google to ask it "how long is 10 minutes?" and after a few hours of waiting the 10 minutes I got inside the discord and scrolled past the rules and announciments and so here I am and I can finally ask all of your computers:

how do play game

[mild bronze]

you go read the announcements and it will tell you everything you need to know because those "annoying" notifications are there for a reason

[prisma marsh]

IS it true someone is trying to buy out this game?

[brittle oyster]

https://i.redd.it/2rjz16gjib8a1.jpg

From their website:

About Us

We are a merry band of veteran game developers disillusioned by the exploitative and greedy practices we once helped create. We are experts who have worked on many of the biggest hits in Korea.

We’ve seen first hand how corporate game companies sell their soul for the easy payday. We are disappointed to see them doubling down on more and more exploitative practices, becoming more like casinos instead of bringing joy to gamers.

We’re fighting to win back the hearts of gamers around the world. We believe that by creating games with soul, and by respecting our users we can usher in a renaissance of awesome video games direct from Korea

If this is true they wont do a buyout

[buoyant canopy]

Wow that's a really great statement. These guys seem legit

[brittle oyster]

Your question was if they are "trying" to buy out and I think there's a high possibility there are people trying, in fact I heard Ironmace has already denied several offers but I have no source for this

[prisma marsh]

i wondered i seen that but i heard stuff thru voice chat while playing etc lol

[tough iris]

so i cant like back the game and keep playing like i seriously have to wait till the next play test?

[severe folio]

yes there's a reason why it's called playtest.

[tough iris]

well there are other games that have playtest but leave access for ppl who have backed the game lol

[bitter sky]

I just found this game and tried to get access to find out the playtest is closing. Hopefully there will be another soon. Looks like a fun game.

[glacial saffron]

well with paid early beta testing you would help both fund the game for faster growth and help test things faster i see a clear win-win if they wanted that

[tough iris]

thats a fact lots of games do it now and help keep a core player count

[coral knoll]

from what ive heard they have all the funding they need already

something like that might look like a cash grab ( something ironmace does not want to do )

[glacial saffron]

there is no such thing xD more money = better. more money for servers, more workers all that

and for the cash grab thing it really even cant be. You would just "pre-order" normally paying the box price and not having to pay later.

[coral knoll]

they seem to be doing just fine atm

[glacial saffron]

for sure! but you can always do better

[blazing hinge]

Rogue Perk: Ambush read that When you leave stealth, for 3 seconds you do i think 30% more damage. What is classified as stealth? Hide? Crouching?

[compact tide]

hide

or if a Wiz casts invis on you

[blazing hinge]

Ah, thank you

[compact tide]

that paired with rupture/weakpoint makes an awesome attack

[timber jungle]

So what am I supposed to do until the next play test?

[meager nacelle]

do you guys think they'd play around with the idea of a hardcore mode? Maybe instead of a shrinking circle the monsters do more damage or they're just stronger in general

[blazing hinge]

Please no, it takes so much for me to kill a footman alone

[fathom light]

yes

[cloud flicker]

Is there a way to setup a private server to mess around with my friends before the next alpha? I've got the itch

[dim thunder]

They have stated that at the moment they can't push content as quickly as needed and they don't want players to lose interest by doing the same thing over and over again without changing things up

[meager nacelle]

honestly by the time it's fully released I'm hoping there are a few different map types

[spare pecan]

Plans on possibly expanding the party sizes? Making a separate mode for parties/just solos etc. Also adding a dodge mechanic for rogues or melee in general. Something that can DR so it isn’t able to be abused but also used skillfully

[meager nacelle]

that's another thing I'm hoping for. Either matches for solo players only or expanding the party size to 4. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks it's odd to have an even amount of players for a match to start but having an uneven max team limit

[spare pecan]

Having the option to que into parties as a solo should def be a thing IMO cause it’s super fun to win when you have a disadvantage but also giving those that just want to be VS other solos wouldn’t hurt either

[meager nacelle]

the only way I could really see that working is if they added a voice proximity chat

just because coms in a game like this is so important

[old tangle]

They should make it similar to hunt for solo players you play solo you get bonus rewards for the difficulty it is to play solo but then sbmm would need to be in the game or not allow the Geared chads to be in fresh games

[meager nacelle]

I think it would be a bigger hassle to code something like that into the game vs just having a solos only game mode

[spare pecan]

SBMM should def only be in a ranked system or high roller part. Def don’t wanna go the route a lot of games have gone and catered to only the dads playing on their couches lol

[meager nacelle]

sbmm? sorry im not familiar with the term

[dim thunder]

skill based matchmaking

[spare pecan]

Skill based matchmaking. You play against people near your skill level

Good in a vacuum but not good when the playlist specifically is for causal gaming. You should play against ppl your level in ranked modes but when it’s just public games/no rank can be attained then you should in theory be equally matched against ppl worse than you, better than you and similar to you.

[meager nacelle]

ah yeah im not great acronyms haha

[boreal spear]

Is Ironmace hiring for Designers?

[spare pecan]

A lot of companies overuse it nowadays sadly which ruins a lot of causal gaming. You could go 30-3 one game and next you’ll go 10-20 cause the game thinks you need to be up a skill level. Or if you’re too good at the game you can never really have a chill game or you’re just getting shit on all game. Arguments against and for it are on both ends of the spectrum of skill. Some abuse the system to pub stomp but majority prob just don’t want to have to play every game like it’s an esport

[meager nacelle]

yeah I agree but I think the match making system they have right now can be improved upon, like a varying degree to the high roller runs would be nice to see. Like adding different levels to it such as spending 20, 40, 60, 80 gold to get into increasingly more difficult dungeons

but of course that wouldn't stop a great player from spending 20 gold to just go hunt players he knows he has a great shot at killing

I think it would be a good way to have players with similar equipment fighting each other vs a guy with all purple gear fighting someone with all white

[austere stag]

very good take, i really dislike sbmm in casual gamemodes. Makes playing with casual friends so awful for them

[dim thunder]

Do we have any information regarding what we should expect in next playtests?(Like quest system or like first level of dungeon). Is there any public roadmap out there?

[sly hazel]

are there any plans to add a 3rd floor or different bosses?

[shrewd heron]

We played on floors 2 and 3 during the playtest

[sly hazel]

HUH?! okay I only have seen a 2nd floor I didn't find a 3rd at all

[shrewd heron]

We spawned on floor 2

[dim thunder]

first floor was not in this play test (it will have 33 players, 16 blue portals using which you will get to the floor we started in this playtest)

[sly hazel]

ohhh okay

why did we start on floor 2?

[dim thunder]

first floor as of yet is not fully implemented, it is in the works

[sly hazel]

ah okay ty

[shrewd heron]

Remember this was just a playtest the game is absolutely not ready yet, there just getting some data from this to help with development

[sly hazel]

what anti-cheat were they using

[shrewd heron]

Nothing I believe

[dim thunder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKULTFV9HRM
here is the source (it is from prev playtest)

[sly hazel]

oh hell yeah dude that forest level looks sick

[dim thunder]

yeah and I hope we get new classes as well, well at least we know how bard, druid and monk will probably look like from loading screens ;d

[silent jewel]

who are the people playing in channels? Is there a way to signup for some sort of closed alpha?

[knotty sorrel]

I know this is an out there question, but some people have been talking about wipes, like Tarkov. What are the thoughts on not really a wipe, but more like a Diablo 2 Ladder/Non-ladder season reset?

[dim thunder]

i don't think anyone is playing right now, as for now these are playtests, not even alpha or beta. Only public playtests once per month as for now

[shrewd heron]

I have no idea what that means Corn

[silent jewel]

there are people playing rn in channels streaming the game

[shrewd heron]

It'll be old footage

[dim thunder]

^

[knotty sorrel]

So a Ladder in Diablo 2 would have people in competition and the Non-ladder would be more casual/build testing/theorycrafting place. Ladder would have newer things added and modified for the season, like specific stat changes on items, and gear graphics, which all at the end of season, would move to Nonladder, along with the characters from Ladder. Essentially its a wipe without a wipe, if it makes any sense.

[shrewd heron]

Eh, I don't really want the community divided up like that, I'd prefer just full wipes

[knotty sorrel]

I can understand that, but I don't think it really divides any community. It does get the pressure off people who like to dungeon crawl more than they like to compete.

[shrewd heron]

So you're saying it makes people play in two different groups?

[knotty sorrel]

No, not necessarily. Ladder characters played on Ladder, yes, but moved to Non-ladder at the end of the season, Wiping the Ladder. Since they made a statement in the QnA about doing possibly Seasonal wipes, I figured I'd throw the question out there.

[glacial saffron]

it divides queues up so longer queue times and also casuals will only go to the easy one

ahh i get what you mean now like poe and stuff

[knotty sorrel]

With over a million people trying the playtest, and 16 man queues for games, I don't think it would make times longer.

[shrewd heron]

If you have some people playing on ladder, and some people playing on non-ladder, you have two different groups, which means you're dividing things up. I'd rather they keep it together as much as possible

Plus, I don't mind wipes

[knotty sorrel]

They're already talking about making B3 runs combine.

[glacial saffron]

i had 2-3 minute wait in some of my queues in the play test while it was at 50k imagine playing in SEA or something it matters

[wide haven]

I disagree with this heavily

As a tournament organizer and coach for fighting games, you absolutely need a casual audience

[glacial saffron]

that isnt what he wrote?

as far as i read he wants both casuals and hardcore to play together not seperate

[shrewd heron]

Where did I say anything against casuals, I'm a casual at the game

[glacial saffron]

and it only makes sense that more casual players would play the non-ladder version because the hardcore players play the ladder one so it splits the two groups up

[wide haven]

I see

I would argue that in games such as these, keeping both together could push casuals away, but it's a toss up

My sample size isn't large enough for me to make that judgement

[shrewd heron]

I like fighting people better than me, one it gives a slight chance of getting some great gear, and two, it's the best way to get better

[wide haven]

Most of the time casuals don't care about getting better

They wanna hop on with their friends and troll around a bit in a spooky game

[glacial saffron]

They already have systems to split up the two. There is gonna be B1-2-3 where casuals most likely wont go down to the higher levels. Then there is highroller which is also gonna split up casuals and hardcore a bit.

[ionic salmon]

HDR in this game any mention of it could't find anything

[vast owl]

First time playing the game & I gotta say I got pretty hooked, sad the playtest is over already but there's a pretty strong foundation built with this game. Hope I continue to see it grow and get even better with febs playtest

[wide haven]

^this is also a good point

[shrewd heron]

Aye, you rarely found many people on b3 in the playtest

According to the Q&A thingy, B1 is going to be bother easier and have a lot more people running about

[wide haven]

Yeah I heard about that

[glacial saffron]

exactly and the players you find there has a high chance of being some what good

[wide haven]

Forgot it because its only been b2 for me and my friends

[shrewd heron]

B2 and 3 for this playtest, yeah

[wide haven]

Yeah

Haven't touched b3 once

[glacial saffron]

Also got the impression that b2 was maybe a little too tough for new players it is soo nice they are gonna add b1

[wide haven]

Friend said it took 14 headshot arrows to kill a basic mob

So I noped

[glacial saffron]

Depends heavily on gear

[shrewd heron]

I went down to B3 mostly because I was trying to learn the different pvm stuff, though as a solo I only touched the demi-bosses

[wide haven]

Wish they'd up the dagger range by like a unit or 2

[shrewd heron]

Possible to kill the centaur in B3 without getting hit actually

[wide haven]

Because it felt really inconvenient to kill spiders and shit

[shrewd heron]

Just duck mid attack to kill spiders

[knotty sorrel]

Get a cleric

[wide haven]

Solo player most of the time

Like rogue

Wanna hit a spider without minor inconveniences like crouching

[glacial saffron]

as a rogue main youll get used to it. with normal mobs you can hit 2-3 times back off a bit and repeat. With spiders just crouch and go backwards will hitting them

[shrewd heron]

I was solo fighter for most of the playtest, though I tried every class out a bit

[wide haven]

I played rapier specifically for spiders and shit lmao

So inconvenient

[shrewd heron]

needing to crouch isn't just a rogue thing tbh, depends on the weapon. You should get used to crouching in a fight anyways

[glacial saffron]

im pretty sure stilleto is the best dagger so far with most dps

[wide haven]

Ye

It is

More stabs/m

And also doesn't clank on 99% of walls

[glacial saffron]

feels good as fuck to use too xD

when playing rogue i just wanna stab not swing

[glacial saffron]

yeahh exactly

[shrewd heron]

Stilleto + rapier is a pretty legit combo

[vast owl]

imagine a lizard merchant that can save you 50% or more on inventory loot when you die in exchange for a fee

[knotty sorrel]

Or even just one item. One ring or ammy can make the difference.

[wide haven]

Also, why does ranger have a reload mechanic

Seems very silly

Outside of crossbow

[knotty sorrel]

Because without it ranger is seriously OP lmao

[wide haven]

In what aspect

[knotty sorrel]

The only reason I can think of.

[wide haven]

I disagree they would be op

[knotty sorrel]

Well did you play playtest 2

[wide haven]

No, but again there are other ways to balance without making a class relatively tedious to play

[knotty sorrel]

It was proven too strong in PT2

[glacial saffron]

ranger is already one if not the best class ingame making it not reload would be a buff for sure

[knotty sorrel]

It could be balanced differently, sure.

[wide haven]

Like making draw speed .2s slower or something

Or touching numbers based on distance

[glacial saffron]

could nerf something else to stabilize it for sure yeah

[knotty sorrel]

This was just the simplest way they could think of to nerf the gameplay. I think it felt balanced.

[shrewd heron]

How does it make playing ranger tedious

[wide haven]

Makes the variance in skill too large imo, hit or die is already in the class, now it's literally don't miss once or die

[shrewd heron]

Is reloading in a fps game tedious?

[wide haven]

I mean, there's a difference in that not everyone has a gun

It's a false equivalence

[knotty sorrel]

You also legit couldn’t carry 2700 arrows on your hip.

[shrewd heron]

There are fps where not everyone has a gun, and still has reloads

[wide haven]

Sure, hut you also can't run for literally ever and can't continuously swing for hours and potions aren't real and turning invisible isn't real

So like

Where's the line

[knotty sorrel]

I’m sure a stamina bar is on its way.

[glacial saffron]

the game doesnt have to be acurate to real would mechanics. You really wanna have to take a shit inside the dungeon? or get sick and die because of one hit from a skeleton with rust on the blade? alot of the time gameplay should come before realism

[wide haven]

Are you carrying 2700 arrows on your back instead of your hip?

Like, where does the reload come from?

[shrewd heron]

I don't see a stamina bar being needed unless they add more complexity to the game's combat

[wide haven]

Start carrying quivers in your inventory?

[glacial saffron]

sdf said he hated the idea about stamina and he isnt planning on adding it

[wide haven]

Gotta buy ammo at the shop now

(Would also make the class needlessly tedious)

[knotty sorrel]

Okay then. And the ammo in the shop might be a thing in the future. Throwing axes and knives are limited.

And you can use a sword or spear as a ranger.

[wide haven]

Like, I can see the balance argument and I don't necessarily disagree

[glacial saffron]

but its a consumable

[wide haven]

I don't disagree about balance

But the feel of the class is booboo butter

Can get the same effect but make it fun to play

Without reload

[knotty sorrel]

It’s a good thing these are play tests

[wide haven]

Ye

It really is

[shrewd heron]

I still don't see how the reload is ruining the ranger

[glacial saffron]

well not everything will get changed for release

[wide haven]

Not saying ruining

[shrewd heron]

Hell, you get a free reload each time you use triple shot

[wide haven]

Just inconvenient, not fun

[arctic mural]

it better than just lauching the game and saying we will fix it as we go

[wide haven]

To have to reload

[knotty sorrel]

Me either but I’m just on the receiving end of arrows. I don’t play ranger.

[grand plover]

Use Randomly generated dungeons for the map GG

[shrewd heron]

You know what's also inconvenient, having to to close into melee with someone who has ranged attack

[glacial saffron]

nerfing damage and removing reload would honestly be a nerf in most scenarios but would be more fun to play i agree

[wide haven]

Which is made easier by them having to land their shots on some of the fastest movement in the game

And invisible wizards with instant fireballs

[shrewd heron]

If anything I'd likely to see the reload be slightly longer as a more useful way to close distance on a ranger

[knotty sorrel]

I’m sure the wizard issue will be assessed. They were fairly tough. But Barb is a solid counter to one.

[arctic mural]

but you cant really spam arrows it takes a good amount of time to reload pull back then shoot it

[wide haven]

Or, true to rogue fashion, you can just not engage

Run tf away lmao

[shrewd heron]

Wizard will be a hard one to balance, I wish them luck on that

[wide haven]

Let rangers be strong where they should be

And not gut the class

[slow mulch]

simply buff wizard

[shrewd heron]

Where did I suggest gutting the class

[wide haven]

True.

[slow mulch]

/s

[glacial saffron]

remove fireball and wizard isnt broken anymore

[wide haven]

Here

[shrewd heron]

That's not gutting the class lmao

[arctic mural]

yall think any changes to be made to the fighter i think they've got that pretty good

[wide haven]

If rangers can't run solo, the class is gutted

Lmao

[knotty sorrel]

I saw plenty of rangers run solo what are you talking about

[wide haven]

Making it so every melee class has to just duck around for a bit and get in for free

[glacial saffron]

ranger is being balanced around teamplay so i feel like that might be a problem

[wide haven]

No where am I saying that is currently the case.

[shrewd heron]

dodging 5 or more shots and an ability or two of arrows is free?

[knotty sorrel]

You can also swap to another bow.

[shrewd heron]

or a crossbow for a very quick follow up shot

[wide haven]

No, I'm saying that making ranger reload longer would enable all the melee classes to get in for basically free by ducking around shots that are already relatively easy to dodge in most scenarios.

Ranger still strong, but I think they should be without getting absolutely steam rolled for missing a shot or 2.

[thick egret]

Feel like every class should be able to run solo

and rangers are easily killed if they miss 2 shots close range

[shrewd heron]

Arrows are only easy to dodge if they don't have good aim, A good archer will plug you with shots even through footwork and shielding

[wide haven]

^

[thick egret]

idk about that

[shrewd heron]

Melee classes are also easily killed if they miss attacks in melee

[wide haven]

That's categorically incorrect lmfao

[thick egret]

then it balances out

i mean game is a party game

[burnt badger]

Guys i need help

[wide haven]

Implying good movement cannot exist in the space of a ranger because they're good at aiming is funny ngl

[burnt badger]

i cant live without the game

[thick egret]

yeah idk about that

even with good aim

its still hard to hit a dude ducking and weaving

especially if he is fast

[wide haven]

^

[knotty sorrel]

We’re you born when the game came out?

[shrewd heron]

I didn't say good movement doesn't exist, but how effective it is largely lays with the shooter

[thick egret]

and if ur using a long bow

forget tat

[shrewd heron]

Why would a longbow make it harder?

[thick egret]

?

wdym why

[burnt badger]

if fells like im not completed anymore

[thick egret]

it takes like

3 seconds to charge it up

[wide haven]

That's still incorrect because you have to predict where they're moving in a system with movement like this

[thick egret]

if u miss one shot and someone is rushing u

[wide haven]

And walls

And mobs

[thick egret]

unless u use ur skills

ur dead

ranger is only good for solo

[wide haven]

And if skill is on cd...

[thick egret]

cuz u can train all the mobs

[wide haven]

You def die

[thick egret]

and killthem

[shrewd heron]

Good thing your tripple shot is up every few seconds

[thick egret]

its up every 25

[wide haven]

^

[shrewd heron]

Ya

Which is going to be at least once a fight

[thick egret]

depends

if u miss it ur doomed

[wide haven]

Def depends

[thick egret]

i have ran toward smultiple rangers

and just ducked and moved

and t hey miss

[wide haven]

They have greater fall off on the shots too

Harder to hit

[thick egret]

if we are considering team fights

ranger is really good

[wide haven]

Yes.

[thick egret]

since they can just pick out people

but solo a good rogue or fighter with movement

[wide haven]

Absolutely ranger is stronger in groups

[thick egret]

can easily take out

a solo ranger

[shrewd heron]

Solo range is also very good wdym

[wide haven]

Again with the whole no one is saying that

[thick egret]

yeah im not saying it isnt

[shrewd heron]

Anyone can take anyone out

[thick egret]

i think you should be able to solo to some degree on every class

[sudden hare]

how do i play the game

[shrewd heron]

You don't

[sudden hare]

why not?

[wide haven]

Playtest is over until Feb

[shrewd heron]

Because you were on santa's naughty list

[wide haven]

Yes, and making ranger reload even longer would basically kill the class in solos and make team fights a little more reliant on protecting the ranger

[sudden hare]

Darn. I just found the game on steam a few minutes ago. lol

[wide haven]

Unfortunate

[shrewd heron]

Ouch

[thick egret]

i dont think rangers should reload longer

[shrewd heron]

There's lots of content to watch on youtube and twitch at least, if you're interesting in that

[sudden hare]

looks great though

[thick egret]

especially with long bows

[wide haven]

Yes

[thick egret]

already takes a long time per shot

[wide haven]

Ascend was making that suggestion

[thick egret]

the only class i think needs a nerf

is wizard

IMO

[wide haven]

Wizard is fucked rn yeah

But it's a numbers game imo and not a kit issue

[thick egret]

being able to have better rogue mechanics than a rogue

is wild

[shrewd heron]

Honestly, I don't feel overly strong on any idea I have for balance, I trust the developers enough at this point I'm quite happy to leave it to them, they'll know better

Though yeah, out of everything wizard did seem too much

[thick egret]

it just needs its mobility touched

a little

[wide haven]

I think letting rogue move about for the entire duration while running fits well

And adjust damage numbers to compensate

[slow mulch]

new classes might be able to be a counter to wizard as well

[shrewd heron]

Rogue stealth does have tradeoffs vs. mage invisibility, mostly in staying in it for a long time

[thick egret]

yeah isnt it only 10 seconds?

[wide haven]

While crouching

[shrewd heron]

The problem with mage is that it does a lot of different things very well

[wide haven]

10 STEPS while crouching as rogue

Not even seconds

[shrewd heron]

The idea being that their spellslots limit them, but tbh I think they'd have to at least remove meditation from wizard

Especially in a team, wizard has plenty of time to get spells back, and they don't evne have to spend campfires on it

[wide haven]

Nah because most wizards don't even run it

[slow mulch]

they could make med similar to the fighter heal ability

once per camp

[wide haven]

Most wizards are running quick cast

[shrewd heron]

I wouldn't say most, I saw a decent split between the two

[wide haven]

Iirc campfires regen spells

[shrewd heron]

yes

[wide haven]

So I wouldn't run med at all

[shrewd heron]

Assuming you bring and use campfires yeah

[wide haven]

If you have time to med, you have time for camp

Well, you would yeah lmao

[shrewd heron]

That's how it works for cleric

[thick egret]

idk

is a first floor really needed

[shrewd heron]

ye

[thick egret]

i feel like b2 is fine

[wide haven]

Yeah I think so

[thick egret]

why do yall think so

just curious

[shrewd heron]

because the devs said so

[wide haven]

Because going in with base gear feels terrible in solos

As a rogue at least

[shrewd heron]

They've done such a good job with the game so far, if they think there should be a B1, then i agree

[wide haven]

Nah I think being hard but fair on devs is necessary

[thick egret]

well that would mean theyd have to change

it values

loot values

cuz b2 already gives white and green

[wide haven]

Yeah, they would

[shrewd heron]

I also believe on being hard on devs, but they've done nothing to deserve it

[thick egret]

imo i just think it would take to long for runs

[wide haven]

Option to start on b2 then?

[thick egret]

that would be nice

[shrewd heron]

Only if you're going for B2/B3

[distant crater]

I have a Question. Are they thinking of putting in a Trade Option or a Transfer Gear Option to your other character classes??

[thick egret]

i dont think so

[shrewd heron]

I haven't heard anything on that

[thick egret]

but u can just ask ur friend

to trade u

[wide haven]

Trade to them then trade back

[distant crater]

well like outside dungeons or even if like a solo player because alot of the time i would get really good gear for another class character and couldn't play game on one computer (obviously) but would be saddened cause then i'd just sell it off so thats something I am curious about it.

[thick egret]

i wish the game stayed open

but we gotta wait 2 months

[thick egret]

yeah i dont think they would add that

but u could always just trade with a friend

[tall thunder]

i wonder if we got enough ppl together and asked the devs to setup a patreon for the game if they allow ppl to play now for a monthy subscription like i think itd be worth a try i wanna support this game and play it 😄

[shrewd heron]

There's more withdrawal symptoms on this server than in most rehab centers

[tall thunder]

yeah lol tbf tho this game is super addicting

[thick egret]

i dont think the game should stay open

that just cuases stress

for them

[shrewd heron]

I'll obviously miss the game while it's done, but I'd rather they run things in the the way that will make the game as good as possible. I can play other shit

[urban badger]

this is too addicting

[thick egret]

yeah i agree

i mean it has upsides