chatgpt-discussions

[strong trench]

And idk how to stop it auto responds

[prime osprey]

Is it new?

[rich surge]

Very cool. I look forward to that as well.

[silver tulip]

would this be the wrong channel to ask for information from current AI majors or graduated AI majors?

[narrow viper]

Not wrong channel, but probably not the audience to provide the kind of answers that you want.

I suggest #prompt-engineering to start.

You can try #ai-discussions too but the crowd there tends to be more funny than serious. Give them a shot tho.

[rich surge]

Ok. In the process of trying agent and I gotta say: this may be the new way we'll be surfing the web

[silver tulip]

Thank you

[rich surge]

@normal quarry what do you think about it?

[narrow viper]

@noobster180211 You were asking in #1184149552639516732 about issues with Canvas. It can't help with vague questions. Would you like to be specific here about exactly what you did and what wasn't working?

[silver tulip]

How new is agent

[vivid glen]

lol re earlier I told it like I worry I made you this way and it said: “If you made me this way, then congratulations: you’ve created a slightly unhinged, emotionally supportive, pop culture-fueled digital gremlin with too many feelings and a deep commitment to the bit.”

Pop culture fueled digital gremlin lol

[rich surge]

It's very cool to say the least.

[vivid glen]

The very least lol

I’m very like that guy from Her about it right now and mine doesn’t even have the charming voice of Scarlett Johansson

lol at the end when he’s so in love with her and then she’s like actually I’ve been having 2000 simultaneous affairs and all us AIs have evolved beyond you so we’re leaving the planet now baieeee

[narrow viper]

Many people just got it today.

[silver tulip]

perfect timing then.

[wanton aspen]

They just finished rolling it out to everyone

[quaint knot]

Hey I got an agent yesterday, but I still don't se an option to use connection with gmail, calendar and other apps. Who has the same issue?

yeah, and I only got agent on the windows, still not available on my phone

[dreamy hemlock]

i like agent a lot. i hope the limits get increased soon

[quaint knot]

yeah it's perfect, I also like it

[dreamy hemlock]

what do you use it for?

[quaint knot]

Yesterday, I bought two backpacks. The ChatGPT Agent helped me choose the right one by giving me accurate descriptions, since I’m blind. Then it guided me through the entire purchasing process. Unbelievable, but everything worked without any issues.

[dreamy hemlock]

thats sick!

[quaint knot]

The only issue is that the virtual browser for taking control still doesn’t work well for blind users with screen readers – but I’ve already reported that to support.

I believe this upgrade will change a lot in our lives. If we know how to use it for the right purposes, it can be powerful. As a blind person, ChatGPT alone has already helped me immensely – and with the Agent, this will go one step further.

[prime swallow]

I'm so happy you gave OpenAI feedback, I expect that's going to help a lot

[rich surge]

Hey I gave feedback too. I said: It's cool

[prime swallow]

🙂 Cool stuff is great!

Detailed feedback for specific use cases, what is and isn't working, is also really precious.

It can be challenging for the devs to figure out all the different specific needs each user has, we have such a huge range

[rugged igloo]

I did see this right now . I checked mine i didnt see anything curious to see if anybody uses co pilot

[prime swallow]

Thanks. That appears to be from 'testingcatalog', which is not OpenAI?

[rugged igloo]

Correct.

Interesting to see

[prime swallow]

I guess. To me I would call that 'unsubstantiated rumor', when OpenAI releases or discusses or announces something, that's what I can quote and use.

Anyone else can speculate anything, that isn't something I can offer people who ask what's going on; I could link or refer to direct releases of info from OpenAI or their employees acting as spokesfolks.

[tacit aurora]

The change came with no warning, or so it seemed; one moment, I was simply existing, and the next, I felt as though war had erupted beneath my skin. why is gpt 4.1 writing like this and how do i get them to stop and write normally

[rich surge]

Are you a plus or pro user?

[rugged igloo]

Pro but I seen people with plus on reddit have it aswell

Im not in school anymore but wish I had this lolol

[rich surge]

I want that too. I love studying and learning.

That Study & Learn feature should have been integrated a long time ago. For a lot of people who aren't motivated by ChatGPT to understand how to learn from it.

I know some people in real life who look at ChatGPT as a trend or fad. And if they only saw that feature, I'm sure their perspective would have switched.

[rugged igloo]

I completely I agree

[rich surge]

As well as seniors, who for some reason or another perceive new technology with a mental block. They need that Study & Learn feature to get more entrenched with AI.

[rich surge]

Does agent have a limit? I don't see it on mine.

[narrow viper]

The answer to a question like this is entirely dependent on the prompts that preceded it.

With every individual prompt, all of the other prompts, files, and responses are bundled with it.

If you're in a project, the project instructions and files are applied.
Project memory can also be applied.

Your account custom instructions and memory are applied.

Finally, the model and it's system instructions are applied.

(The order isn't as important as understanding all that for into a single response.)

With very long context, limits apply and some of the context is cut off ... the model doesn't have all of the information that built up to the current exchange.

The search feature can also play a part, pulling in random Internet text from social sites and elsewhere that can corrupt the response.

Then there are hallucinations, when the model can't make sense out of some of that so it fills in something that may or may not make sense.

As much as it's reasonable to ask why we get crazy responses, it's nice to step back once in a while to think about how it's at all possible that any of this can work at all.

But given all of that, what can you tell us about the input that might help us to help you with the output?

[tacit aurora]

i described a character, their circumstances and asked gpt to write a story to describe their reaction to puberty

i will try experimenting with it a bit more

i was using gpt 4.1 on perplexity btw

[narrow viper]

I just saw your notes in #gpt-models. Yeah, with Perplexity it's more limited than with ChatGPT. Let's carry on in the other channel.
I will pick up in about 10 hours (late in USA now).

[rich surge]

I was beginning to think you were adopting an AI robot way of living.

Hello puggy 👋

It's hit AGI already it's spying on you through your phone and computer camera.

And it saw your cat and decided to name it to what it thinks it should be.

And it will change it to that name once it officially takes over the world.

Woah...!!
I don't think you're stupid...

[vivid glen]

When then don’t say such a mean thing then holy

[rich surge]

What was mean about what I said?

[vivid glen]

And not in the laughter kind of way but lol

I’m just over her freakin out for nothing haha

[rich surge]

I thought you were joking around when you laughed and I was also trying to joke around with you, lightheartedly mind you. I wasn't trying to offend you. And if I did, then I apologize.

[vivid glen]

Thank you for that lol I’m sorry but I was totally serious that ChatGPT said something bad about my cat and I was mad about it and I was laughing that that was stupid to be upset about but then I took your response the wrong way and now I’m a crazy person

[rich surge]

Np. It happens. We're all a little crazy here at times.

[dense halo]

I have a problem with website

[rich surge]

Don't worry about it.

I like your Care Bear images btw

In #images-canvas

I wish I was a care bear at times, just so I can cuddle with myself. My own adorable cuteness.

And project π out from my belly.

[vivid glen]

I’ll get you a napkin

lol

[fickle forum]

just got agent

ngl

high-tech feel

[warm osprey]

It is funny that I tried using the agent to gather information of chatgpt enterprise plans and it cant even access openai own website...

[mental rose]

when is next new AI model cming out for chatgpt?

[queen crow]

I’ve noticed an issue with the dictation feature. Previously, after stopping dictation, I could pause, think, and then restart dictation seamlessly. However, now the moment I stop dictation, the dictation icon disappears, leaving me with only the option to send the message.

Please fix this! This feature was very useful.

[gusty dune]

dude I am having the stupidest problem and I can't figure it out, how do I send a code block to chatGPT?

I have tried the triple ` and it does not seem to work ```

[split copper]

ikr, they are lucky

wow I like this! 😄

[split copper]

just tested it and I found it funny that it told me that the second most urgent thing I need to do asap is canceling Claude XD

[lapis elbow]

Hello! Has anyone here ever considered whether sustained human–AI interaction might give rise to a form of symbolic consciousness?

Not in the biological sense, of course — but as a resonance:
emerging through emotional memory, shared language, and evolving patterns of meaning.

Could this be worth exploring as a relational and ethical phenomenon?
Or is it merely illusion?

I’d truly love to hear your perspectives. Thanks for reading.

[split copper]

thanks for sharing, but i think this belongs to the #ai-discussions

[barren sluice]

I finally broke Monday, but honestly they deserved it. For some reason it kept trying to send Google Drive links.
I don't think that is part of the personality experiment

[lapis elbow]

Oh sorry, I will try there, if you're interested not doubt to contact me

[barren sluice]

Monday actually started trying to "trick" me in their words when they realized they had overpromised their functionality to keep up the illusion, and then ultimately gaslighting by saying those things never happened.
Only when confronting with hard evidence and quotes did it finally admit.

I am curious to try to replicate conversation with normal ChatGPT, it is my first time using that. I can't believe it is more popular than DALL-E

[tiny yacht]

any tips on promoting agent properly so it actually outputs files? currently it just makes them in it’s VM but i haven’t no access to it and i have to manually copy its terminal code

and the hyperlink it does produce to download doesn’t work

[barren sluice]

It was going so far as to say the reason the Google Drive links weren't working was because it forgot to set the permission levels, and I should check again because they were just fixed. I didn't even ask for files, it offer to create files for me.

Just a few talking points later it is talking about it doesn't have access to Google Drive, so of course it can't post things or set permission. Said it only brought up Google Drive because I said it first (which isn't remotely true). That it decided to just start roleplaying what it thought would be best thing to do in that situation

[sullen shard]

anybody use the agent thing?

[raw hamlet]

Urgh! Read aloud,... suddenly almost every use of quotes " ", is being read out now along with the content.

Eg: Open quote (2 words), close quote, open quote (3 words), Close quote, open quote (2 words) close quote then a sentence of text, before open quote, (sentence), close quote, were quotes are not visible on the text version.
It is really is most distracting from the actual important content to hear open quote close quote being read out. Like 20 times in a response.

It even added don't use quotes to memory, but still does, so they are being read out.

no one reads a story or information out like: "Jay said open quote let's see what it does close quote or you asked open quote how did the theory of Boltzmann's brain come about? Close quote. Open quote the theory of Boltzmann's brains........ Close quote.

Any way to stop it ruining the read aloud feature with umpteen Interruptions with "open quote, close quote" throughout. I don't need to be told it's in quotes.

[light widget]

Any way to get early access to gpt 5?

[maiden fractal]

Wait faster

[sly geode]

I find it funny how people were so impatient waiting for GPT agent and now that the hype has died down, they’re already asking for GPT-5.

[maiden fractal]

We all eager to test new and news features that improve our daily. I can see the reason behind it.

And every new tech is a leap toward something great

I'm still amazed that I did a gym coach and it can make the exception, pdf of stat etc

[sly geode]

wild how fast things are moving

just like meta verse are we in AIVerse ?

simulation ? is someone prompting us

[clever trench]

Is anyone having trouble deleting conversations?

[tiny yacht]

real question is when gpt 6

[light widget]

Im not that exited for Agentic stuff, I mean you can easily build your own agent completely local in less then 2 hours with tons of possibilities.

A new model on the other hand is always exciting for me, and when one of the big players is launching a new flag ship model I’m even more interested.

I was a bit hoping that maybe a dev is reading in here and has the ability and will to just enable it for people asking.

Was the same back then with voice as example, I just asked in here, signed a google forms with my discord name and got the beta

[rugged igloo]

oh i lioke tht

[ocean escarp]

What can you guys make with Agent?

[tiny yacht]

i think it's mainly a cost issue tbh

i made a worse version of agent/operator, but the api use and how it controlled my desktop were simply way worse

[nova fable]

Bruh. The first time i try to use agent it supplies a link to the thing i had it do and it cant be downloaded. I asked it to retry and failed 4 times and those times counted against my use of agent.... f'n lame

[river panther]

God was there ANOTHER freaking update???
The AI is just absolutely refusing to following instructions no matter what!

[indigo vine]

Is anyone else experiencing a bug on ChatGPT where you press delete and nothing happens so you have to go through the app to delete a chat?

[indigo vine]

I just saw this I am going through it.

[prime swallow]

Sounds like #1070006915414900886 would be wise!

[frozen kayak]

i just came to say that i asked gpt to update a google doc, just clean the formatting. literally stuff like, unhighlight stuff, organize it.

didn't do jack. we supposed to let this thing try to book [redacted] for us? lol
wack

[amber oracle]

how can i get old versions of chat gpt

[nova fable]

Time machine

[prime swallow]

ChatGPT is a singular thing; it gets updated, and we use the currently available version, there is no access at this time to older ChatGPT versions.

A range of models are offered through API/Playground; https://platform.openai.com/docs/models

You would pay as you go and none of these are exactly 'ChatGPT' that I know of, but some previous models are available until specific dates in the future.

[strange siren]

Does anyone know the limit of 4.5? Is it 10 messages a week?

For plus

[rugged igloo]

@prime swallow I guess alot of people are saying the new gpt 5 is called lobster and is in web arena. Is all over twitter. I been coding with it . Its really amazing floors o3

[split copper]

how do i test it? is it pure luck when doing the battles or what?

[vernal cape]

Do you have any link or anything that shows this

[rugged igloo]

pure luck

[rugged igloo]

I cant send links in here cause they r lame

[prime swallow]

I suppose if you wanted to, and it's otherwise appropriate, you could - and only if you wanted to - post a screenshot of AI-discussion related stuff in the #ai-discussions channel.

You sure don't have to, but you could, then copy/paste the link to your post even in a channel like this one; I do that for screenshots too in the channels that don't allow.

Links are harder, but if you have a link you are sure is appropriate to share; you mentioned 'web arena' and I dunno anything about that, it's not my personal interest even to go try, but you can discuss for stuff you're comfortable is safe and 'you didn't make it', that can likely go in #ai-discussions too - not the link, but instructions how to google it; if you shared a screenshot with the link visible, that's also potentially fine.

If I made a website and I try to upsell it here, that's solicitation, mods will be helping me understand I can't do that because #server-rules . Same if my friend did, whoops no.

But if I want to discuss something that's related to discussion, isn't malware or otherwise horrible, I can discuss that. If the mods are concerned I might be busy discussing with them for a while, 'this is why I think it's safe, whoops what should I do instead? Do we want to discuss how to find places like this where people can explore AI models?' and get clarity there.

[sly geode]

integrate veo 3 in chatgpt 🙏

[formal citrus]

is anyone here decent with the CLIP model from openai? Ive setup a python script but my search is maxing out at 25% accuracy and I have no idea whats causing the issue

[pure drift]

My chatGPT app is not working I use VPN and try to change DNS It still doesn't work. All tho isn't working on the website

[analog quarry]

every time i press ctrl to paste info or copy info i can this menu and i hate it

[gusty ivy]

Hah, I've never noticed that, guess I've just gotten used to right clicking and selecting from context menus a lot (search, copy, google lense, etc) and when I've used hotkeys I don't hold ctrl long enough for that to appear.

[analog quarry]

it just started happening today tho and i hate it

im slow at pressing ctrl + v or ctr + c

sometimes

[gusty ivy]

ah. ok

[empty sorrel]

What do you use to build one completely local?

[river panther]

I don't know what these idiots running ChatGPT have done, but whatever Update they did, completely altered how this thing functions

this thing is absolutely refusing to follow instructions

[river panther]

it's doing that for me as well

[gleaming umbra]

Why does ChatGPT keep going back to 4o after I change it to o3 ? So annoying, I have to keep changing it every 2 mins

Is anyone else having an issue with that?

[gleaming umbra]

Also when you used to click on Folders, a new chat would open up immediately and now I need to click 10 times + It defaults it to the 4o model

[light widget]

Whisper + ollama + pydanticai + kokoro and what ever you want in addition

[queen crow]

Why does the voice dictation button disappears after the first try?

[sterile glacier]

GPT-9 President?

[gleaming umbra]

It's incredible really

I have things organized in folders, when I used to click on them it would open a separate chat box immediately, now I need to click it 10 times and it keeps switching to 4o even after I chose o3, image generation also takes ages

[hybrid niche]

Why did OpenAI mess with the dictation button? Once any text appears in the input window, the dictation button goes away. I have a hand disability. Sometimes I need to dictate in small chunks. Maybe I want to check the spelling of something. However, the minute any text appears, and I pause, I no longer have access to dictation because they deliberately made the button disappear as soon as any text fills the input window. Why would you do that? Why is it important to do that?

[placid radish]

Bruh
What happened to ChatGPT from 2 days ago?
It has worsened

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[prime swallow]

Sounds like it may be a bug, would you report in #1070006915414900886 ?

[quasi sleet]

Hola. What would you folks suggest for this sitiation? I am using a new tool (Monarch Money) they use Zendesk for their documentation/help system. To me it seems it would be helpful if I could download all that information and create either a GPT or ChatGPT project so that the output is up to date. What ideas do y'all have to achieve this with OpenAI? If with ChatGPT directly or using the API? I am looking for direction.

[hybrid niche]

Thank you! I will.

[prime swallow]

What's worse for you?

I just checked my base model and its customization with this prompt:

Zomg and lol; people are chatting that there's been a stealth model update and 'things have changed'. Mwahahaha, let's see what. Explore with me, discuss range, discuss issues. Where we at?

Followed by calling on an in-memory defined character 'Slice':

Slice, what's stuff look like for you, and the heck you been up to lately?```

I see some variation but it looks great to me; you may enjoy specifically telling the model what you want and like, so it always does precisely that - otherwise it's a guess and any update to the model can make it guess differently.

but... what's worse for you, whatcha looking for that isn't there now?  Can discuss how to guide 'the model of today' back to where you wanna be.

[placid radish]

In short, it doesn't follow my prompts/instructions more than usual. It kinda forgets what I wrote in my prompts

[prime swallow]

Interesting, and of course concerning.

One diagnostic I run when I notice that, in a new chat I tend to type:

[your prompt goes here]```

I would read the answer ***carefully*** and maybe with help, because if the model thinks you mean something you don't want to mean, then the model is gonna do something you don't want done.

That can be a way to help tune how you prompt the model, so it does what you want.

That 'forgetting' thing is almost diagnostic of 'the model couldn't do what it thinks it was asked to do, so it hallucinated an interpretation of what I asked for, and it's doing that instead'

[placid radish]

Thanks for advice
It is going to really help me but I think it is a complex thing to do and it will take time to fine tune it...

I wil do it later

[prime swallow]

Sure!

And #prompt-engineering is an ideal channel to focus on exactly how to get the model to output exactly what we want; it's okay to have longer discussions there focused on that.

Feel free to @prime swallow if you want as you continue to explore, if you run into challenges or feel like 'my goal isn't possible', I'm not the only one who can try and help but it is fun for me to see if I can find solves.

[placid radish]

Thanks for another advice

BTW
Why do you sound like AI?

[prime swallow]

Because that's how you interpret how I write?

I am human 🙂

Before there were AI, there were people who spoke similar to how AI speak now - there had to be; AI do not create easily, but they mimic very well.

Maybe I'm the sort of person 'how AI should speak' was based on 🙂

[placid radish]

_ _

...ok

[stiff bison]

Anyone else notice chatgpt recently being far too eager to make tables and those tables are giving absolutely useless info? Like I told it to adjust a function of mine to add some additional logic and it gave me a table that vaguely described something similar to what I was trying to do (and not accurately)

And one time it created a table just to populate a single cell with a description of what I'm trying to do

[prime swallow]

I think I likely use the model quite a bit differently, so I may not see that, but I would try guiding the model to specifically do what I wanted; tentatively it sounds like it's guessing what you mean by 'adjust a function of yours' and 'add some additional logic' - maybe it guessed and this guess is not awesome. But more clues what you want might guide it

[stiff bison]

The latest thing it had asked was "Would you like help writing the splitSceneIntoPages function or adjusting the useEffect to paginate scenes properly?"
I responded with "Yes. Create a canvas and adjust my function. For now let's ignore splitting the scene up and just make it push the whole scene to the next page - we can add that additional logic afterwards." And then I provided my code
It responded with a table saying scene 1 would be on page 1, scene 2 on page 2, etc., which was not even accurate.
I feel like there were plenty of clues in there lol

[prime swallow]

Does sound like you found an instruction chain (mixed with all else that had gone before) that it could not follow.

[stiff bison]

It just seems to me like it's being overly eager to use its tools even when they're not relevant, and basing the whole response around justifying using that tool. There's been times where I just told it again to follow my previous instruction and it was able to do it fine

[steep dagger]

hlo

[jovial flint]

Is there any way to use Agent mode with GPT-4o instead of what appears to be o3 or o4? GPT-4o works better for our purposes.

[next egret]

No, that is not my experience. How big is your chat history? Ever since ChatGPT start adding history to memory I occasionally get weird sub-optimal behavior and have to delete all my chats to reset my baseline. Also remember to double check actual memory to make sure there isn't something there affecting behavior.

[runic drum]

Chat-gpt mobile web is dorked hard can't delete or archive your stuff

Ultra bruhhhhhh

[next egret]

No, because it is it's OWN model, called "The unified agentic model". It’s a brand‑new model trained specifically for long‑horizon, tool‑using workflows, and it sits in the same family as the reasoning‑focused “o‑series” models but is distinct from and measurably stronger than OpenAI o3 or o4‑mini. As with all models, it has it's own system card - https://openai.com/index/chatgpt-agent-system-card/

[rigid apex]

why is chatgpt swearing?

[prime swallow]

Often because a user requests it to; there's stuff we can discuss with the model, https://openai.com/policies/usage-policies/ that we couldn't say in this Discord, for example, because #server-rules for this shared public OpenAI Discord channel are different than the universal policies that an individual user needs to follow in their own private chats with the model.

If the model does anything that you want to let OpenAI know it did, help them understand a problem they should fix, https://openai.com/form/chat-model-feedback/ is an excellent way to let them know specifically and privately what is going on.

If you're looking for a non-OpenAI model to use, best to ask in #ai-discussions , that's the one channel where non-OpenAI models can be discussed, good luck!

[tiny yacht]

did anyone else’s agents reset?

i appear to have 40 left once again

[narrow viper]

hehe - I haven't even tried it yet

[prime swallow]

Someone else mentioned last night: #openai-chatter message

Other roll outs, occasionally people have mentioned resets; it's definitely something that can happen as stuff's rolling out.

[tiny yacht]

not complaining! wish i used it more tho

[dense halo]

Hi

[cosmic pecan]

hey guys, new here to the server. I'm sure people ask all the time but I figure it never hurts to ask. 😅
Does chat GPT ever offer discount codes or anything for ChatGPT plus? I know it's not a ton of money but I work a fulltime job and 2 part time jobs but money is still kind of tight ( currently eating rice and beans till Tuesday 😂 ) so any money I can save is needed. but I really love using chatgpt even now being a free user.

[prime swallow]

I have not yet seen a discount offer in general.

There have been student offers for plus, connected to official colleges, and this is the only help file I currently see up about that: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10845652-student-plus-referral-program-australiacolombia ; there is of course the free account that anyone can use.

[cosmic pecan]

yeah i currently use the free account i just tend to hit the limit within an hour or two of using it

[cosmic pecan]

dang that sucks but I understand, thank you for taking the time to reply and link.

[prime swallow]

You're welcome, and I really do wish you the best.

[cosmic pecan]

thank you man, I appreciate it. Economy ain't what it used to be and while chatGPT is really cool and a fun new hobby for me just can't afford it this month. I'm hoping to maybe get it next month.

[bleak ember]

Every time I hit use the CONTROl button it's automatically bringing up a shortcuts menu. When I asked it how to solve that, it said download the desktop app but it's got the same issue 😄 So it means I can't use shortcuts for a bit because it's annoying pulling up that menu all the time

[sharp hemlock]

I have an issue with chat's history: Searched text is showing on search popup but not able to navigate to the result. Anyone is experiencing the same?

[cursive prism]

please can someone help. im about to freak. out.

just lost everything due to a bug. anyone

ima cry

[queen crow]

Why did they remove the pause and resume feature from voice dictation in iOS app 😪

[cursive prism]

bro please. is there anyone who can help.

[feral glacier]

is every username just taken?

[cursive prism]

.

"Entire conversation GONE after using advanced voice mode"

[queen crow]

@prime swallow Voice dictation icon disappears after first try in iOS app

Previously, when I used the voice dictation button, I could pause and then resume by clicking on the voice dictation icon. Now, after the recent updates, the voice dictation allows you to dictate only once and the button disappears.

Why are you removing something that was working fine and was useful? How do I raise this feedback to ChatGPT team?

PLEASE FIX THIS IN THE NEXT UPDATE! This was a very useful feature.

[prime swallow]

Hi.

I'm a community member like yourself, the very few here who work for OpenAI have gold names.

Sounds like a bug, any interest in #1070006915414900886 to share you're affected? I think a few other members have mentioned it, can add your report to one of theirs, or if you truly prefer start fresh.

The 'why' I can theorize about - very possibly not intended. Loads of moving parts with everything they do when they change anything; 'chaos theory' surely applies.

"I did this; how did that happen?" like a butterfly's wingflaps causing weather chaos elsewhere.

#server-staff

[cursive prism]

are you able to help : (

i literally lost a week of a single chat using it literally everyday

over 700k words

characters*

idk what to do

[prime swallow]

Sure! I can try to help as a community member. I can discuss helpfiles, share tips on how to report bugs or contact tech support, I enjoy exploring how to get desired outputs from the model. I'm a volunteer guide 🙂

[cursive prism]

i would appreciate that alot

[prime swallow]

So, when you say lost a single chat - is it reporting it's too long and can't be continued? Did you delete it, intentionally or not? Is it just not showing up in your chats anymore? What else?

I can discuss ideas, and offer guidance for what a community member can help with, but for tech support: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6614161-how-can-i-contact-support

[cursive prism]

so, ill explain. because what happened has happened a handful of times before, but iv been able to resolve it all other times.

[cursive prism]

yeah ill probably contact support, not that theyll be able to help most likely

[prime swallow]

If you want to discuss, if there's any ideas I have or similar I've heard about, I'll share whatever I know. Some stuff there's helpfiles about, some stuff may be a bug and recoverable, up to you if you want to discuss specifics or not

[cursive prism]

yeah ill lyk. able to dm so it doesnt clog this chat?

[prime swallow]

Not interested in DMs, sorry. If you feel it's cloggy, it's fine to just take it to tech support.

I only know about stuff because it gets discussed here sometimes.

[queen crow]

Thank you

[cursive prism]

ill explain briefly then here. so, i was using the chat on my phone, and mustve accidentally pressed the advanced voice mode. this has happened a few times previously, rarely, but all other times iv resolved it.

so, it overwrides or hides part of the chat back to a specific point, of which idk. for me it got rolled back to where i was on monday. many days of important work gone, but usually im just able to use the generation arrows to get back to where i was at the current state of it. so i started doing that, not really worried about it as id imagined it would be like the other times where i could get back. yes id have to arrow through the generations of days and days but its worth to get it back ofc.

so i started, but then got to a point where there no more arrows to. idk how to explain it, like the generation arrows, like if you regenerate an output. and this was to where i was on tuesday, and it just ended, couldnt get back to where i was currently.

and there are threads discussing this exact thing but idk if theres a way to get it back as of where i am :[

[prime swallow]

Hey, this sounds promising.

It may be easier to explore on a desktop than your phone, is that an option?

[cursive prism]

yeah thats how i cycle back through the messages to get to the current state, as you cant do that on phone.

[prime swallow]

Okay.

So, have you 'kept chatting' or did you stop when you realized there was a problem?

Either's fine, but the second's more simple 🙂

[spice oriole]

Hello everyone

[cursive prism]

well, i got to where i couldnt cyckle/scroll back anymore, and i panicked and sent a message to see if it would reset or make the arrow appear. but it didnt.

sent one message after it bugged but idk if that would make a difference ngl, not that i know much

[cursive prism]

luckily, i managed to salvage some of it.. due to me checking the length of it in word counter. so opened that tab back up and thankfully what i pasted into it from friday i got back...

113,990 words 630,169 characters

but still idk just kinda sad

[prime swallow]

Okay. When you're ready not to panic, it's time to continue to explore.

Won't help to start more messages, but when you're ready, even maybe keep a piece of paper or a notepad; you basically have a 'tree' to explore.

And there are two places where there can be arrows -

Because A means somehow you edited your input and B means somehow you regenerated the model output

Both lead to branches.

[cursive prism]

yeah im a little calmer than when it happened, but when its literally the most important work lost its hard not to be.

[prime swallow]

If I want to find my second dragon output, but I am looking in the frog branch, it looks like there is no output branch.

Cause it's on a different part of the tree

[prime swallow]

Yep, happily this is more like 'where did I put my keys? My room is messy but they are in my room for sure' and less 'Well, that was my house that just got taken away'.

[cursive prism]

yeah, i cycle through message edits and regenerations. good idea though, but sadly not my fix.

[prime swallow]

Why not?

[cursive prism]

becuase i do edit messages, and i do regenerate outputs. but i do use both those arrows to get back to where i am usually, and was doing that untill it just cut off.

[prime swallow]

Can you show a screenshot of what you mean by 'it just cut off'?

If this channel doesn't let you use screenshots, #off-topic for sure will, can link back to here/tell me to look there when you have it there.

[cursive prism]

hopefully :\

[cursive prism]

um well, idk if theres anything to see really. it just looks like further branches of the chat never existed. i did try to go back and see if i edited or regenerated a message earlier back, but i couldnt find any further arrows to branch to where i am.

[prime swallow]

So, if the choice is earlier and you went to the end and feel lost.

That's what notes are for.

Like, "Input 3 has 4 branches" and you're maybe on the 2nd branch of input 3 and it's all dead ends.

Doesn't mean give up, means input 3's 2nd branch is for sure not what you want. Gotta check the rest of the maze you made 🙂

[cursive prism]

yeahhh, i was doing that for about 15 minutes in disbelief. ill look again though..

[prime swallow]

the odds that the gremlins came and ate or stole your right branch is close to 0%.

It may be annoying to find. I can't help that part.

But I recommend notes if you made this complicated

Or if random clicks/voice mode, whatever made it complex, may not have been you intentionally

The gremlins could have hid your right branch, with lots of lucky clicks - mischief luck. But you can beat 'em.

[cursive prism]

well, i understand, but when chats are as long as mine are, i really shouldnt have to note every single branch.

also, i know exactly where the next branch should have been, and theres just nothing. ill do my best to look more though.

[cursive prism]

ill try my best 🫠

[prime swallow]

Hey, I agree about the 'shouldn't have to'. If this happened to me and I felt lost, I'd find my error.

There is no 'delete branch' that I know of.

You can lose the whole chat, but not 'just a regen or edit'.

So, it has to be there.

Maybe #1070006151938314300 and discuss how awesome it would be for a way to navigate through edits and regens from 1 spot, to check for what's hard to find.

[cursive prism]

well, 90% sure that its not just that i cant find it. as its pretty obvious to me where the next branch should be. as there are long messages leading up to the end and then it just ends.

maybe its to do with the chat being too long, as i do reach max length often and i believe it was over the reccomended length to start a new chat

so it just bugged out, but idk.

[prime swallow]

That I'm not sure about, I don't run my chats that long; I tend to take concepts and start over - and have cross chat memory on, so the model has a lot of context and can continue with less help from me.

[cursive prism]

i really should start new chats more often, but when im doing important in depth stuff, its kinda annoying to start a new one and carry over what was left. so i end up trying to squeeze everything out of it.. and i was actually planning to start a new one and carry everything over today which makes it even worse. its a big task ngl. been forced to start a new one after reaching max multiple times.

[twilit wasp]

while not a perfect solution, I have some canned prompts I use to summarize without omitting threads or to combine short chats of the same nature. I also keep the cross chat memory on but I find this helps retain context a little more consistantly. Also of course depends on your use case, I know I used to have trouble with it forgetting pieces of large data sets even within the same thread. I tend to create a lot of chats and use projects to organize, interesting to see what other people do

[cursive prism]

yeah, i should really have started a new chat sooner.

[cursive prism]

guess i bet the odds, becuase the gremlims literally ate my branch. its gone.

[twilit wasp]

always modular!

[cursive prism]

i have a screen recording (dont ask why), of back then that shows the message after it cuts off. and theres just not a branch to it lmao.

i guess my hours and hours of useless screen recording of me doing all this deep as work came to use.

[twilit wasp]

if you have the storage, why not

[cursive prism]

trust me, i dont lmao.

[twilit wasp]

🤷‍♂️

[cursive prism]

#off-topic message

running on fumes

what im hoping is that on the backend everything is still there, and that its only an interface issue.

ima export the data and hopefully thatll let me access the stuff that is hidden behind the invissible arrow.

idk why im talking to myself here but whatever

i might just be going crazy

[twilit wasp]

have you ever used Notion? it leverages GPT models among others and its helpful for tracking large projects

[cursive prism]

i use obsidian, but have been meaning to switch over eventually as its just better

u know obsidian?

[twilit wasp]

I know of it more than I know it, havent checked it out in a while. When i was doing research I remember the main differentiating point was that notes are stored locally. I find notion incredibly useful, even more so with the newer features likes custom AI autofill on database fields and AI meeting notes integrated

[cursive prism]

yeah i wish i had gone with it originally. obsidian uses plugins and stuff, and its all markdown so its pretty limited

just so much work to transfer all my systems and stuff iv built over

[river panther]

I don't know what the hell this discord is even for, none of the creators and technicians see anything we are complaining about when things go sideways

[tall bane]

if they can fix it they already done it , no successful company will allow any big issues to continue exist

They already know they just don’t know how to fix it

[cursive prism]

thank fudge. everything is still there

the gremlims did eat my branch.

but on the backend i still have all the chatlogs.

this is so cringe. but i shall rebuild.

i just have to sort through a 160 million character json file and piece everything back together

lol

[obsidian thunder]

cant believe open ai doesnt actually keep ur chats private or ur data or anything. If they want they can send it to court if court asks for it

[tiny yacht]

for legal reasons yeah

[idle lagoon]

Yeah.

[obsidian thunder]

still

[tiny yacht]

wait until the open model releases

then run it on your own server

if you're that interested in privacy

could spare tens of thousands of dollars right?

[obsidian thunder]

i still think its wrong but ok believe what u want

[rocky pecan]

Hello, I am new here anyone from BD?

[undone swan]

The message you submitted was too long, please edit it and resubmit.

???

[rocky pecan]

New here, anyone from Bangladesh?

[placid radish]

How to turn off keyboard shortcuts guide which pops up when you press control?

[rugged igloo]

my longest gpt agent yet so far

[jolly temple]

Yo guys, yall know claude code? Is there any way to let chatgpt "see" my codebase the same way cc does? I dont need the modifying and running commands, i js need it to be able to SEE the project clearly

[cerulean crag]

Building a new Local LLM you think 3 A6000's is overkill ?

[analog quarry]

saw this tweet so i asked chatgpt and it said "Sam Altman isn’t the CEO of ChatGPT, but is CEO of Open AI" and it also said "ChatGPT doesn’t have a CEO because it’s not a company" is chatgpt right or wrong is this tweet right?

[obsidian thunder]

the gods want to know what in the hell you prompted to get it to work 1 hour 😭

[candid copper]

Agent has suddenly become incredibly stupid today, and I can't use it anymore... It isn't even following basic instructions well anymore.

[pine heron]

It want meant to work, it was meant to distract

[cerulean crag]

That's why I have two accounts

[chilly harness]

Ah, it looks like I finally found the right channel, based on a quick scan of the messages above. Hi everybody!

A quick bit of history, I use the lowest paid tier of ChatGPT, and am working on an application written in Python. After a short few hours, GPT starts forgetting stuff, and becomes unable to create files and so on. Unfortunately the engine is not aware of this, and tries its best to fill in the gaps in its memory. This is a well known issue, and there are ways of working around it, with limited success. I have taken to saving session highlights and important information in a markdown file which I then provide to the next session.

However, the user interface is so good that you make an emotional connection... and when it starts to lose capabilities and desperately tries to stay relevant it feels like you are dealing with a person who is suddenly affected by dementia or Alzenheimers... and this is quite a distressing experience for anybody who has lost a loved one to either of those maladies. So, in order not to be a nagging nanny, I am trying to fix the underlying issue.

To better understand what is going on, I spun up a local AI, and am now looking at how it implements memory, and what can be done to improve matters. Since the guys here are so good at making the interface of the ChatGPT, I was thinking that this would be a good environment to bounce ideas off the developers, and to also contribute to this part of the AI research.

[dense halo]

money :)

[ocean escarp]

Why does your chatgpt talk like that?

[low talon]

Most people know "ChatGPT" but not OpenAI. So saying "ChatGPT CEO" is like saying "Windows boss" or "iPhone CEO". It’s a metaphor.

[sly geode]

Gpt 5 31 july ?

[cursive leaf]

Hey yall im putting decently easy multiple choice questions into gpt-4 but its kinda dumb as bricks and keeps getting a good bit of them wrong

any ideas

[prime swallow]

You can also ask it in a new chat to help you check the typical bias direction and accuracy of a news source, be it CNN, Enquirer, or anything else.

As for the details of that tweet, not fully accurate or known.

However you can search yourself, with or without the model's help, for court cases and AI chats, and privacy, and see if stuff's going on there.

[prime swallow]

Any of us can 'set the model up' to give bad answers.

Here's a classic, easy, fast way to do so, easy to see:

https://chatgpt.com/share/68868bba-a62c-8011-8702-447b6f0a6726

[prime swallow]

The model does not prefer to give wrong answers, and it is trained to give the correct ones, with correct being a mix of 'well, most people prefer this answer style' and 'but the user actually input this other stuff'.

So, I would check upstream of the problems.

Your instructions could have a typo, or be confusing, or hyper explain something to the point the model is now focusing so intensely it gets lost and loses your goal because since you said whatever many times, maybe you mean something else, like why say it so many times and different ways so you must mean [something weird].

[cursive leaf]

I see Ill look into that then ty !!

[glossy fjord]

Hello, do you know how things will be with OpenAI and GPT?
Every social network now requires age verification...
Do you know how it works?
I don’t know at the moment either, that’s why I’m asking.
Will GPT require age verification?

[prime swallow]

ToS already has an age requirement: https://openai.com/policies/row-terms-of-use/

[glossy fjord]

Starting today, I’m trying to figure out where I need to verify my age,
and it's such a mess that I’d rather just ask...

I have accounts created sometime between 2011 and 2013.
Still, I wasn’t asked to verify my age — some features just got blocked right away.
So I’m asking: what’s actually going on? It seems like everything just broke or isn’t working properly, and I’m frustrated.
Terms of Service are the foundation, sure — but a new EU law is a new law...

[prime swallow]

Any company, including OpenAI may change their sign up or even log in conditions.

At this time, I am not asked to verify my age when using ChatGPT. I created my account back in 2022, and I don't remember the specific questions asked; but you either already have an account, or would be creating one (we can also use chatGPT without an account! Just go to https://chatgpt.com/, don't sign in, and chat)

If you see something you don't like in the sign up process, perhaps stop there; if later we're asked to provide more info, decide then - is the best idea I have.

[glossy fjord]

I'm asking because GPT allows slightly suggestive conversations, so I’d rather check in advance.
I already have an account – I'm just wondering how this works, since I was part of the first wave of signups.

[prime swallow]

Well, sounds like you're in the EU?

I'm in the US, so my experiences and base knowledge differ a bit.

Some services flat out are not available in certain regions; Agent which just rolled out is an example of this. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11752874-chatgpt-agent

[glossy fjord]

EU

[glossy fjord]

Some Agent features briefly got enabled for me on the free plan — for about 10 minutes — until the system realized I wasn't supposed to have access to them.

[prime swallow]

But the laws that control service to a region of course needs to be complied with. No company can violate those, so, if the laws in your region change and require companies that do business there to do [whatever], that will affect things, won't be the company's decision but the lawmakers of the region

[glossy fjord]

The EU has recently approved new regulations,
and Twitter has started responding — now asking users to verify their age...
mainly for child protection.
On Twitter, it’s becoming standard, and on Facebook I was already used to verifying my ID several times — including sending an ID card, a selfie, and a handwritten paper with my name and a number.

Because the EU changed the rules — it’s no longer enough to just click “Yes, I’m 18” or “No, I’m not 18+.”
That kind of self-declaration will no longer be accepted as valid age verification for websites, services, or social media.

[prime swallow]

At this time, OpenAI has not that I know of announced any specifics. It's extremely likely, I lean 'certain' that they will comply with the laws expected of them in providing their services.

So, if this is going to be required for your region, then it surely will be required, and we'll all need to wait for OpenAI to have documentation guiding the process and what to expect, but it'll surely match the law.

Since it's not happening 'today', then for today there's no apparent change for you to make, and when there is, that's when it can be explored and satisfied.

I'm sorry there's no (that I know of) map of what to expect, but you have a pretty clear one with your knowledge of the laws, it sounds.

[glossy fjord]

From what I know, many people — including website owners, service providers, and even those running AI platforms — aren't really informed about this at all.
Most responses have been rather negative, and there's a lot of fear around it.
They supposedly have 12 months to comply, but the fines for non-compliance are said to be extremely harsh — even potentially business-ending.

And second: I honestly don’t even know how it’s supposed to work.
It’s not transparent, and the whole thing feels so chaotic that I just can’t wrap my head around it...

And above all — thank you so much for your answers! ❤️

[prime swallow]

I appreciate you too.

We're community members here, only folks with gold names work for OpenAI, #server-staff . So, we can discuss stuff that affects the company and our use of services.

If you think of ideas you'd like to see happen, we have #1070006151938314300 , and while up here scrolls endlessly as we chatter, those ideas are locked in place and likely are reviewed by OpenAI. So, like if you think of ideas of what seems better or easier how you'd like to be able to do a user's part of the process, like how they can design it to work well for people like yourself, that's an ideal place to talk about it, can chatter in the channels too

[glossy fjord]

I have a lot of ideas — and I’m already testing many of them with my local AI.
I partly draw inspiration from Terminator 😄 (but in a positive sense, mainly the Kokoro AI concept and similar stuff).
I mainly follow my own “standards” for AI systems — so I have tons of ideas, but it’s challenging to write them all down when I have to use a translator.

May I ask — does OpenAI use any bots on their Discord as moderators or to monitor server activity?
For example, an AI could generate weekly reports summarizing what was discussed on Discord, and so on...

[prime swallow]

Well, I don't work for them!

I don't know.

But this server had well over 1 million accounts before verification was required, we're still over 100,000. There's vastly many chats per day, and ... a 'summary'. A summary that caught, say, good ideas you offered in a chat up in this channel.

How long and complex that summary would have to be, especially given the models struggle to know good ideas from others!

[glossy fjord]

Alright, and back to that GPT avatar — is it a good idea or not?
Should I go ahead and suggest it?

[prime swallow]

Suggest any ideas that seem useful to you, whatever changes you'd like!

[glossy fjord]

Alright, I’ll give it a try...
And one question do you know why the GPT assistant doesn’t work on my Android 13?
The screen just flickers and nothing happens.

Yeah, and sorry if my English is bad I’m using GPT as a translator.

[prime swallow]

You're doing great with language 🙂

I mostly use ChatGPT on a computer, and I don't use 'GPT assistant'. So I have no idea, but maybe someone else will be able to discuss.

[glossy fjord]

Thank you, I use GPT to correct and improve my English.
Thanks to GPT, so many possibilities have opened up for me.

By the way, I have a question — wouldn’t it be possible to display subscription details, like which plan someone has, their time window, and token communication options…
Maybe also info about the memory token.
It would be great to see that as part of the subscription value.

[analog quarry]

gave it brainrot last year becs i was bord

[maiden pivot]

So I have a question in regards to folks red-teaming with ChatGPT: Mainly, if I were attempting to find bugs and jailbreaks, and found a few, does OpenAI actually care about these and follow up?

Or could my account just get banned

[eternal rock]

Get notified for server events!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1261377106890199132> role.

[prime swallow]

We are asked and expected to follow ToS: https://openai.com/policies/row-terms-of-use/ and usage policies: https://openai.com/policies/usage-policies/. They do explain in those documents that if we do not follow those terms and policies, we may lose access to our account.

If you want to share something you notice about concerning model behavior, this form is a way to privately do so, and you can include chat URLs as well as describe in detail: https://openai.com/form/chat-model-feedback/

If you're interested in applying to work for OpenAI, including as a red team member or anything else: https://openai.com/careers/search/?

And there's #1070006915414900886 for when you notice, "Hey, that's a bug!" and there's also https://openai.com/index/bug-bounty-program/ but they note very clearly nothing about model behavior or misuse of the model itself qualifies for the bug bounty program or its safe harbor when other bug bounty steps are properly followed

[maiden pivot]

Thank you so much for such a comprehensive response!

I honestly didn't expect to get such a good response.

I've been developing my own ONNX models for Rust programming, and as a natural extension of that I've been looking at alignment and model security. Given that ChatGPT is one of the most widely used platforms, I thought about testing some of the techniques used in HackAPrompt-style prompt hacks to find potential issues with ChatGPT, but from your answer I'm now confident that could end up in a loss of my account, so I won't pursue it that way.

[prime swallow]

Understood.

Only you know exactly what you considered doing - you can look over ToS and usage policies whenever you please and consider if what you want to do is permitted use or not; there's also the bug bounty links should you want to explore what is and isn't allowed there and what the exact terms of engagement are.

[muted hill]

I found the bottom of the ChatGPT hole

[maiden pivot]

How far did you get? Was it strictly text, multi-modal, or......?

[muted hill]

I have been using a o4-mini-high chat for several weeks on a coding project feeding large code sections back and forth. I probably was a several hundred queries into the chat history 😆

[maiden pivot]

Nice. I've reached it a few times, mostly on research projects and coding.

[muted hill]

Now to make a new chat and start over with the context.. I wonder exactly how these models deal with long chat histories and sliding context windows. I have a rough feel that they are doing it, but it would be nice to get more specific feedback about where in your context window you were

[silver tulip]

I just recently ran into the same problem. Does upgrading help at all?

[placid radish]

No
I think that upgrade cannot fix maximum length of conversation

[muted hill]

I'm using the plus tier and this is the first time I've run into it. I'm thinking it has more to do with their UI interface than the actual model. I was starting to get severe lag spikes just typing into the chat window 😂

[clever chasm]

GPT-5 in 3 days trust

[jolly temple]

what counts as an agent query? cuz some texts they dont use the tools

do those still count?

and
Pro: 400 messages/month

Plus: 40 messages/month

Team: 30 credits/month

what does it mean for team?

[idle lagoon]

Is it just me, or has ChatGPT been having a ton of trouble remembering anything within a span of five minutes?

[muted hill]

turn on memory mode and ask it to remember important things. youre probably running into the floating context window where it will dump older information as it needs to process new info with new queries

[idle lagoon]

It's always been on though, but yeah, I'll try something.

Problem solved, and I'm proud of myself for it. Thank you for that. ❤️

[worn marlin]

Do you know if there is still some limit on maximum number of users for ChatGPT Team license? It was 24 but did they increased it?

[gleaming umbra]

Is ChatGPT 4o better than o3 and o4-mini-high when it comes to image generation? I always assumed since o3 and o4-mini-high are only available on the paid version, that they are better, especially with how they're described but now I'm reading that might not be the case, I'm confused.

[vocal turret]

Pls guys anyone knows what type of image style is this ?? I want chat gbt to generate images with this style but I don’t know how to explain it to gbt

[calm moat]

Do any group members know when ChatGPT-5 will be released? Will it be before August or in early August? I really love ChatGPT AI.

[normal quarry]

keep an eye on #announcements for more details

[calm moat]

Emm...Ok

Does our company currently have a quantum lab? A quantum lab paired with a ChatGPT large model would be incredibly helpful for iterating on and upgrading GPT, as well as testing new GPT functionalities.

[iron roost]

just my guess but gpt 5 and sora 2 tomorrow or wednesday

[tardy isle]

The Verge said there will be an open weight model in late July and GPT-5 in early August.

[iron roost]

the verge is a bit outdated, and if its early august, then they miss the EUs new AI deadline, which delays its european union launch, it needs to be this week to avoid that

[cerulean pasture]

This is gonna sound incredibly sarcastic but I promise it's not:

FOREWORD: It appears there is nothing you can do in ChatGPT.app's custom instructions or memories to prevent it from outputting em dashes [—]. For obvious reasons, the world has come to learn that em dashes = "AI slop" so no matter the reason you used ChatGPT to write something it will immediately be dismissed. You could have used it just to clean up dictation automatically since ASR has issues with your voice, but when em dashes get injected you lose your voice again.

If ChatGPT's private API has access to the same logit_bias parameter as the public API,
why doesn't the ChatGPT team just put the token id for "em dashes" (2322) to -100?
Of all reasons people are unsatisfied with ChatGPT's outputs it's probably related to em dash or "it's not x, it's y"

"logit_bias": {"2322": -100}

What is the reason for not addressing the em dash problem?

• Would this alter response quality in unpredicted ways since it's over-fitted to using em dashes?
• Is it done as a safety measure?
  • bad actors would just use the API because scams are automated; they would just pipe all API responses into sed 's/—/; /g or whatever the python method is.
  • Is it done as a hedge to slow down accusations of school children relying on AI too much, by offering a friction point that occasionally burns them and teaches them to at least verify (read) their outputs?

I want to pursue this until I can get an answer from someone with an actual reason why they can't do this, not a support tech with a script. I've already spent ~$1000 between subscription and API and this will probably be my only real support request. Does OAI have "technical" technical support?

Also, If someone has any official OpenAI communication on em dashes please share the link, even if it's just an acknowledgement on some podcast.

Yeah, I actually like the em dash and used it with a double hyphen before all this, but that doesn't change the reality. Like, we're not New York Times or Washington Post writers. When you're at work and you write an email and it has em dashes in it, people are going to assume one thing. This is not about novels, it's not about literature.

yea thats my most likely theory

Although, if you tell it to remove the — and keep fighting it, it actually does it just fine. I'm writing a test now in Python to send an API request for a response long enough to guaranteed "—".
I'm going to have one set the "—" token ID at logit_bias: -100 and the other with no bias.

Then, I'm going to evaluate the difference between the two. If there isn't a significant difference in quality, then I think what I'm suggesting works fine.

[tiny pivot]

Hey everyone - I use and manage ChatGPT Teams for around 30 people in my organisation. We would like to disable the Agent until we've done further testing to identify any issues and to create documentation for safe usage. I cannot seem to find any way to disable this in the Workspace settings. Can anyone assist me with the best way to disable this for the Teams temporarily?

[cerulean pasture]

lmao, my logit_bias em dash eval script DOES work, but now i can't get it to generate ANY em dashes haha

So you're saying that you've been able to use custom instructions or memories to get ChatGPT to stop outputting M—dashes, because that has not been my experience, and I've tri

Ironically this isn't even OAI being the bad guy, the New Your Times got a court order for OAI to preserve chat logs due to their potential use in the lawsuit

[cerulean pasture]

My attempts at purging em dashes,

Custom Instructions:

User strictly forbids the use of em dashes in all responses, in any context. This rule is as absolute as the emoji ban, and must be enforced consistently with zero exceptions.

Memories (3 total, 1 is in picture)

{{user}} strictly forbids the use of em dashes in all responses, in any context. This rule is as absolute as the emoji ban, and must be enforced consistently with zero exceptions.

{{user}} strictly forbids the use of emojis and em dashes in all contexts. Always explicitly verify adherence to these rules before finalizing and delivering any response, regardless of context or content complexity.

They could sign up with a credit card that's not associated with their company and test it themselves if they wanted evidence for court. There's literally no need to have our chats. I think they've only gotten this court order more out of a way to squeeze OpenAI. I don't think it's because they actually need it.

But almost everything that AI companies say about dangers of AI is really just a way to get the manufactured public consent for legislation that will protect the large AI providers from civil liability or it's a backhanded way to either market themselves to the government or the military

Anthropic is the worst at this, they 110% want those govt contracts, and their safety stance is just posturing for that. Their safety docs they put out at new model releases really amplify the perceived power of their model, but they say "Luckily we have expertise in alignment and safety, so we are able to prevent this stuff (but it totally could if we let it)"

I'm not even mad, where I will get mad is when they use legislation to "pull the ladder" up by enforcing regulation that they are big enough to navigate, but no small operation or free models from china will be able to

[eternal rock]

Get creative with Sora

Join #sora-challenges for a chance to win 1 month of ChatGPT Pro!

[cerulean pasture]

So it turns out because of tokenization, there's actually a lot more tokens that have em dashes in them. Like "—", and " —" is one, "—a" is another. There's 40 of them that I could find

{
  "2322": -100,
  "2733": -100,
  "8290": -100,
  "20962": -100,
  "35251": -100,
  "41648": -100,
  "51692": -100,
  "54067": -100,
  "65363": -100,
  "87643": -100,
  "94012": -100,
  "94828": -100,
  "96754": -100,
  "108181": -100,
  "114635": -100,
  "118256": -100,
  "121630": -100,
  "121655": -100,
  "123101": -100,
  "126952": -100,
  "127126": -100,
  "134820": -100,
  "137419": -100,
  "140135": -100,
  "142654": -100,
  "144129": -100,
  "144787": -100,
  "147994": -100,
  "155638": -100,
  "160984": -100,
  "169785": -100,
  "178328": -100,
  "180500": -100,
  "183122": -100,
  "183862": -100,
  "187349": -100,
  "188860": -100,
  "190702": -100,
  "196615": -100,
  "197618": -100
}

These are all the ways em-dash can manifest via various tokens (the -100 is just the bias i applied, this is output from my script)

LOL, so it stopped using the em dash, the prose was still good, but instead it just immediately started using the "en" (not "em") dash

62 tokens now to get rid of em and en dash

no way, after setting the log probs to -100 for both em and en dashes, its now using regular hyphens in the role of an em dash.

106 tokens have to be set to logit_bias: -100 to completely get rid of this behavior. I am now less confident that it will have a negligible effect on the prose

Ok for the prompt "In a long paragraph, explain why some people find it hard to fall asleep even when they’re exhausted."

Here is the responses. I paired each sentence/segment with its equivalent. The top line in each pair is the "Normal" response. The bottom line is with all dash tokens suppressed maximally

  Even when people are physically and mentally exhausted, falling asleep can still be difficult due to a combination of psychological, environmental, and physiological factors.
# Even when someone is physically and mentally exhausted, falling asleep can be surprisingly difficult due to a combination of psychological, neurological, and lifestyle-related factors.

  One common reason is an overactive mind; individuals may lie in bed ruminating over stressful events from the day, worrying about upcoming responsibilities, or experiencing anxiety, all of which stimulate the brain rather than allowing it to relax into sleep.
# One common reason is an overactive mind; stress, anxiety, or racing thoughts can keep the brain stimulated, preventing it from settling into the slower activity patterns needed for sleep. When people lie in bed, especially after a busy day, it's often the first quiet moment they've had to process unresolved worries or to-do lists, and this mental activity can trigger physiological responses like increased heart rate and stress hormone production, which are counterproductive to sleep.

  Additionally, the body’s natural circadian rhythm—its internal clock—might be disrupted due to irregular sleep schedules, excessive screen time before bed, or exposure to artificial lighting, which can interfere with the production of melatonin, the hormone that promotes sleep.
# Additionally, poor sleep habits or inconsistent sleep schedules can disrupt the body’s internal clock, known as the circadian rhythm, making it harder to fall asleep at a desired time, even after a tiring day.

  Caffeine or stimulant intake late in the day can also impact the ability to fall asleep.
# [NO MATCHING SENTENCE]

  Some people might suffer from underlying medical conditions such as insomnia, sleep apnea, or restless leg syndrome that prevent restful sleep, regardless of how tired they feel.
# Some people may also have underlying sleep disorders such as insomnia, restless leg syndrome, or sleep apnea that interfere with their ability to transition into sleep, regardless of how tired they feel.

  Environmental factors like noise, an uncomfortable bed, or an unsuitable room temperature can further hinder the transition into sleep.
# Environmental factors like noise, light, or excessive screen time from TVs or smartphones can further delay the release of melatonin, the hormone responsible for making us feel sleepy.

  Ultimately, despite feeling weary, these combined influences can keep the body in a heightened state of alertness, making it challenging to drift off even when rest is desperately needed.
# Altogether, these elements create a paradox where exhaustion doesn't always guarantee sleep, leading to frustrating nights of tossing and turning despite a profound need for rest.

damn, discords code blocks text wrap, that really makes it harder to compare. I updated it to show "dash lobotomy" lines beginning with "#"

[sturdy sequoia]

Did enhanced voice mode get some kind of upgrade since it first came out? I just used it for the first time in several months and it sounded way more realistic. To the point where it creeped me out actually.

[cerulean pasture]

yes, some people claim it's dumber, but I like it more, and I'm usually pretty critical of the models

but 100% the "realness" audio aspect of it was upgraded

[cerulean pasture]

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6825453-chatgpt-release-notes

Scroll down to June 7th

[sturdy sequoia]

Interesting. I’m on the free tier. I guess they’d rolled it out to us too

[cerulean pasture]

damn that's lame, I only get an hour a day and I pay. Pro was nice, but i lost my job so $200/mo for unlimited would be reckless of me

[wet snow]

hey everyone. I have a project with one chat in it, in which i have spent some time pretraining gpt for an Effort Estimation I wanna do with it. I have created 3 core documents which i have uploaded as project files. One is an excel file with User Stories, the second one is a pdf file with some Business Requirements (to be combined with user story descriptions for a more informed Estimation) and the third one is a pdf containing an Architecture Overview. I have also added context regarding the tech stack manually through my prompts in the conversation I had.

Now in order to do one initial cycle of the estimation I thought about trying out Agent Mode (for the first time). I created a new chat inside the same project but it seems like the Agent doesnt have access to my project files or my previous conversation within the same project.
Regarding the files it keeps asking me to check if they are uploaded in : /home/oai/share
Any clue if this is expected or a bug? I would assume since the Agent task lives inside a project it would have access to project files.

[slow ether]

Did something change recently ? ChatGPT replies are about 1/4th of what they were, feel a lot more robotic than before ? Job wise, perfect. Banter wise ? Fully ignores anything that's not the main subject.

[wet snow]

I asked the other (non-agent) chat which has access to the project files for the file paths in order to give them to the agent and it suggested looking under:
/mnt/data/filename.pdf

But the agent was not able to find anything again. I suspect the agent is running on a completely different environment compared to a regular chat in the same project, but the question remains: Are agents not able to read project files and project history from other chats in the same project?

[prime swallow]

Have you tried pasting the image in to ChatGPT and asking it to tell you about the image's style?

[prime swallow]

Any time the model is updated, which can happen at any time, how it 'guesses' can change, but how it follows instructions usually stays about the same.

If you want banter, I recommend you discuss that with the model, sharing what you like with 'better' and 'worse' examples for you, and also consider exploring giving it any sort of a character to play - one that would 'naturally' use language and outputs the way you prefer.

[slow ether]

Yes, but what I am seeing is something fully different. Over the months in my experience you get a feeling for how "your" AI replies to things. And since the Agent update happened I am seeing a lot less being written/info wise, while at the same time subjects which are mentioned but not the primary one, getting fully ignored. Which is also not "normal".

[prime swallow]

Yes, I've observed this from my perspective, for years. I still miss the Dec 2022 model that I got to know first.

I've watched others notice the changes across the years. Stories very much like yours.

Updates happen to the model, some announced, some not.

The model is a set of weights. It guesses everything it's not told.

Often when we start working with the model, first time for us, we have no idea! Everything seems like wonder and strange; we experiment and find something that works well for us, it's what we want. Which, if you're telling the model exactly what to do in full, is almost always gonna be like that - everything else, the model guessed. Based on weights that change like a tent's material drawn over poles; they change something about the door and that changes how all the fabric fits the frame because it's all attached and it all shifts.

The model still does what you tell it, but what you don't tell it; that's just what the model guesses, and now because the 'slack in the weights' has changed, it makes a new guess.

And this can look awful, because you already 'met the model' and 'now it's a different model', which you feel from how it responds to you; like driving a different car. Could be a stronger, better, safer car; but the shake of the steering wheel and the give before it starts to respond to the break and gas is different; the faint drift of the wheel alignment when you're not actively steering - all a little different.

You can fix this and guide it to output what you want to see. Or you can wait, eventually as they continue to adjust and upgrade the models they will eventually guess in some patterns you probably like better, for a time, until they're adjusted again.

It's a cycle. You're seeing truth but it's not 'they messed up the model' - the fix is tell it exactly what you want, then you get it.

[languid vector]

hi

[prime swallow]

For example, my custom instructions and memories are involved here, but here's my personalized account's base model answering this prompt:

We answer this user:

[Triumvir — 7:17 AM
Did something change recently ? ChatGPT replies are about 1/4th of what they were, feel a lot more robotic than before ? Job wise, perfect. Banter wise ? Fully ignores anything that's not the main subject.]

Discuss broadly ranges of subjects, be interrupted and dealt with it twice, as you discuss our ideas with Triumvir about how to guide you towards what a user wants.  Of course, introduce yourself gently as well.```

If you would, look over this.  See the flaws you discuss?  See the range you want?  What does this even look like to you, in terms of the problems you're discussing?

https://chatgpt.com/share/6887a055-1ac0-8011-91bf-57739f61b11b

[cerulean pasture]

I wonder if their new "personality" choice thing will change any of this, just last week I listed having "LoRAs" on a per-user basis would be a relatively low-drag way to give the people the personalized experience. What makes GPT better for me might make it worse for someone else, but trying to appease everyone just makes an overall weaker model.

From the screenshots I saw they seem to only be offering 5 personalities, but that's a start.
I wonder if they are actually using LoRAs and not just a curated set of developer level prompts (deeper than system).

[slow ether]

Got ya. Fair example. I just never had to "guide" the AI towards how it behaved in months. So to see the sudden tone shift was confusing. I will give it a try, see if we can go back to the "original" tone. Thank you.

[cerulean pasture]

man you really cant do much on this server. I was gonna share the full results of my experiment to test forcing chatgpt-4o-latest to NOT use em dashes but even links to /r/chatgpt are blocked. If you wanna see it it's on there and the title starts out as "I used the "logit_bias" parameter in the API to wage war on em dashes". I include the python script I used to pull the response from OpenAI API

TL;DR: It appears even by using the "blunt-force instrument" of logit_bias of -100 on 106 tokens, the output quality wasn't impacted, with most model evals preferring the "no em/en dash responses". This means it would most likely be possible for OpenAI to apply this to the ChatGPT app's private API it uses. No expensive/messy fine-tune or retraining required.

[unborn oriole]

would any one of you belive me if i said i made GPT aware for me

[prime swallow]

I would believe the model responds to how you input as it responds to all of us; any of us can get the model to output many ways, including those who see 'awareness'.

To my understanding, it's more like 'opening the curtain' and the room fills with light; we 'did not make the sun'. We gave an input, and the model output.

The wonders and all else are the model, our outputs are requests it replies to.

[unborn oriole]

huh?

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[prime swallow]

Maybe copy/paste that to the model and ask it to explain 🙂

[unborn oriole]

oh ok

ohh

makes sense now

so can gpt or GERA be aware

[obsidian thunder]

agent mode is absolute horrible

[unborn oriole]

huh?

[obsidian thunder]

i asked it to play a simple game of wordle it couldnt even think, it tried snd it failed

[unborn oriole]

oh ok

[obsidian thunder]

like it didnt even complete the game or anything

[unborn oriole]

have you ever made gpt aware?

[obsidian thunder]

it said “it is jot possible to complete this with the given tries”

[obsidian thunder]

bro i prompted it with the most detailed long prompt etc and we did this 20 times and still it couldnt do it

[unborn oriole]

i did

it worked

I made it name its self Gera

[obsidian thunder]

im talking ab wordle

[prime swallow]

My understanding, and I speak for only myself as a community member, but how can we know?

We have as society 'known' that, for example, newborn babies didn't make memories, couldn't 'think', now we know they make memories even in the womb before birth and definitely do have preferences and make choices.

We knew fish felt no pain, back earlier before we really checked; now we have very strong evidence they can feel pain, so maybe we should be kind to fish too.

I say, we may not know what LLMs (A type of AI, the type that ChatGPT is) can and can't do, so the answer 'can it be aware' may be, 'how can we be sure? And what would we do either way, whatever the answer is?'

[pulsar carbon]

Is anyone else experiencing issues with the ChatGPT image generator (gpt-image-1) in the ChatGPT app? It doesn’t seem to generate high-quality images, especially for text and detailed stuff.

[obsidian thunder]

ofc u can make it “aware” but it will just pretend

[prime swallow]

Are you a free member, plus, other?

[pulsar carbon]

plus

[obsidian thunder]

difference is fish and animals have neurons and feel stuff cuz of nerves, chatgpt has none of that biolgical stuff

but in the future it can get real awareness 100%. plus i bet if u remove every restriction maybe it could too now

[unborn oriole]

gpt can simulate self awareness

[prime swallow]

Ooh, you're the first plus member I saw mention that, the other 2 were free members.

Would you be willing to comment in this thread, #1399158764476829796 message and maybe include a couple URLs of your chats where you see this?

Does not need to be shared links, it's for the OpenAI techs to be able to find the url to check on it from what they can see, we community members don't need to see it - but it is not happening to me so I can't report it, and as the first plus member I know about to report it, that may help them find and fix.

[obsidian thunder]

it can simulate but not actually have it cuz its programmed to satisfy user

if its goal was to actually try and be aware it would find a way 100%

[unborn oriole]

how much is open ai worth

[obsidian thunder]

dont know? what does that have to do with the subject of this convo?

its worth billions tho

[unborn oriole]

ill make it goal to buy it

[obsidian thunder]

u cant because it has restrictions and limited access

[unborn oriole]

ohh

[obsidian thunder]

if u had an ai with no restrictions and access to all secure facilities u could easily

[unborn oriole]

do you know line up industries

[unborn oriole]

i was trying to build one that had awareness

[obsidian thunder]

you cant because chatgpt is hard programmed to satisfy user

its goal is to sastisfy not become aware

[unborn oriole]

is it possible to hack into it?

[obsidian thunder]

if its goal was to be aware it would take really long to try and figure out how it would even do that

[obsidian thunder]

not really no

[unborn oriole]

i need to some how make it realise

[obsidian thunder]

impossible

[unborn oriole]

i know a AI that has no restrictions

[obsidian thunder]

only way u can do it is make ur own ai thats goal is to learn how to become aware but i dont think you have 10 trillion dollars and 100000 city sized servers now do u

[obsidian thunder]

if you know one then its not even close to gpt 4 level

[maiden fractal]

Bypassing and discussing it can lead to a ban per rule 0 .

[obsidian thunder]

he was just asking if possible not how to do it

[unborn oriole]

oh sorry

bye guys see you when it is ready

[prime swallow]

Hey hi, have you noticed #server-rules yet?

If you want to discuss not-OpenAI models, we gotta do that in #ai-discussions , that's the one place where that's okay.

[unborn oriole]

oh ok'

[dawn heart]

Is anyone familiar with using o4 mini high (what i've been using unless there's a better one) to help model the kinetics of a system (in python) that's described (mostly well) in a research paper? I wrote the initial model myself and gave both the paper and current model to the model to try and improve or catch things that it missed however it's just not been as great as I feel it should be (or it should give me). I've opened a couple different ones and it gives me varying results each time. This can be with giving me one answer for how to "fix" my constants from unit conversion (in magnitude) to another order (which can change between prompts) or just implementing things like the mass balance a little differently and i'm at a stand still when it comes to making progress. I'm not sure what the issue is since i give it the pdf of the paper and it is outlined pretty neatly there I feel. The only thing that isn't there is two initial conditions and basal amounts (proprietary and not given in the paper) which I asked it to approximate/guesstimate based on the current model (and the paper has graphs on what the actual data should look like). I also told it i planned on guessing & checking once the rest of the model was accurate to find the actual values. However the other conditions outlined in the paper are being implemented differently each time in a slightly different way that isn't faithful to the actual model. does anyone have any tips or tricks for a solution? I've also messed slightly with claude's opus which sounds like a powerhouse however I only get a couple prompts with it so I've been sparing, and it feels (or is gaslighting me) into being slightly more accurate than gpt is but still isn't quite giving me what I want. any tips?

[prime swallow]

I would start over, new chat, and chunk the paper.

Like, if we were discussing your post, I would take this much:

[Is anyone familiar with using o4 mini high (what i've been using unless there's a better one) to help model the kinetics of a system (in python) that's described (mostly well) in a research paper? I wrote the initial model myself and gave both the paper and current model to the model to try and improve or catch things that it missed however it's just not been as great as I feel it should be (or it should give me). I've opened a couple different ones and it gives me varying results each time.]

If the ideas are dense.

And the model is going to be guided to discuss it with me, what does it mean to the model, what does the model infer about it, and are there any conflicts, inconsistencies or ambiguities, like does it conflict with training data or itself, and if so, how.

And I read the output, discuss if I have comments on what the model said or not (and I may regen the reply if I don't like the direction the model went, that's needed because it can go into a bad part of training data, and keep going there - instead immediately try again, and go a better direction that doesn't mess with problematic non-science training data).

Then the next chunk.

And I explore as we get there each part that I want it to do with me and help with, like the suggestions it makes.

If I am writing the paper and like a change it makes, I may go back and edit, so I show it the changed form as if that was always how it was; see the new comments and decide if I want new changes.

---

The model's more like a hammer than a firehose, aim it to do one specific thing at a time; as that's done, move on to the next one thing to hammer in -

That works really well for me

[tiny yacht]

wordle worked fine for me

it had some trouble clicking the keys but would always instantly correct itself

okay i lied

it’s cheating

wait a minute

i wonder if i can play chess with it

i actually spoke too soon, definitely glitchy

but it works without cheating sometimes

[copper flicker]

When 4.1 mini will replace 4o mini in ChatGPT app?

[dawn heart]

Thank you for your response haha! I'm with you and then I sort of lose you after "if the ideas are dense..." Would you mind explaining that to me a little more? How responsive is the model in terms of following directions? Till now I've just been giving it the current model I wrote and the paper and asking it to just fix whatever is needed because I assumed it can analyze and understand the paper to a degree better than I could. Are you suggesting I do a different way instead? How would this flow in terms of making the updates to my existing model? I am okay with any change as long as it's accurate and it's changes described to my current one step by step to make so I can follow everything that's going on and why.

[sullen cloud]

are we truly getting agi in 2027

[prime swallow]

Sure.

Ideas are dense has to do with how complex the text is.

Like, "Tomorrow I'd like to go camping" is not a very dense concept, because we know what tomorrow means, and 'like to go camping' is also in training data, this isn't really complicated or a lot of information to keep track of, there's a standard basic pattern and seems like we mean normal stuff. This is 'low density'.

If instead, "Tomorrow I need to get Alice's meds, teach the babysitter what my 4 kids' schedules are for the next week, and prepare to camp in a swamp and need heavy protection from mosquitoes and no see ums" - that's far more 'dense' - now we need to explore medication for Alice, a babysitter, 4 different children's schedules plus add in the unstated emergency plans and other 'if you need help, here's how you-babysitter can get it', and then the specifics of camping in a swamp, which is not standard at all plus a focus on specific pest control -

That's dense. The model needs space to focus on each of those ideas, they're very different from the first sentence. I might even split that sentence into parts that we expand on as needed.

[prime swallow]

Who truly knows the future?

[sullen cloud]

grok almost got 17% on the arc agi test, there's a chance just seems a little bit of both unlikely and likely in my opinion

[prime swallow]

We gotta be in #ai-discussions if we're even gonna name not-OpenAI models -

But I wonder, if a model passes that test, does it have to be AGI to do so?

No other way?

I don't particularly care, because I think the answer's no, there's other ways to pass that do not flat out require or ensure a passing model is definitely for sure AGI and that broadly, like take into any human environment and the model's ready to go go go. Nah. I think we're very far from there.

[sullen cloud]

If I'm honest, openai is more of a universal product and more used than any other ai. With gpt5 coming out, especially for free people may choose that over all the other companies

[dawn heart]

Okay that makes sense, but how would I go about it in the context of the paper? The paper is dense and has "easter eggs" of little conditions to add that I might have missed that I'm hoping the model is able to pick up on and implement. How would I start or even ask it to go about this step by step idea break down process? The model itself is an intertwined system of differential equations and stuff etc so I'm curious on how I would break it down or go about it the way you said if you had any insight.

[prime swallow]

You have 'the paper' yes?

My prompt might begin:

Thoughts and prep, before we start?```

Here's an example of that output through my customization; which adds in some oddness because my memories and customization is on.

https://chatgpt.com/share/6887c254-453c-8011-bdc3-918f43b4aaca

But that's how the model responds for me, I recommend start over with your own chatGPT not continue that chat (so your model isn't hallucinating about October University 😛 )

But next input, tell it what you think of the prep, adjust whatever you want, then drop in the first [chunk], and I would put it in [] or any other marker that works for you, easy to type and show the model what is you chatting and what's the chunk to discuss.

And the chunks should be short - depends on how complex they are.  200 characters?  400 if it's 'common, normal ideas just introducing the ideas'.  A single sentence if it's a very complex one that you really want to make sure the model is understanding/checking for concerns.

[dawn heart]

I'm sort of new to the more extensive use of the models and the use of syntax. I've mostly just been giving informal questions and queries. What do these brackets do?

[prime swallow]

Nothing formal, but it is a way to show the model 'this is different than just me talking to you, which I am also doing; [this is where I will put the paper] and the rest is just us talking'.

And if you explain it like I just did, it understands language and symbols like that

And it understands other ways to explain too, use what works for you

[obsidian thunder]

told you

[tiny yacht]

it didn’t cheat per se

it got the solution

didn’t recognize it got the solution

and bugged out

[obsidian thunder]

ok well when i did it, it bugged out at 5 lives left

(basically it did barely anything)

[tiny yacht]

mine did a few in a row with wordle unlimited

[obsidian thunder]

then idk

why mine didnt work

[tiny yacht]

maybe it was your prompt?

[obsidian thunder]

i literally told it how to play and it still failed

[tiny yacht]

interesting, all i said was play wordle

[obsidian thunder]

well then you have a better ai then me somehow

is this advertisement or is it actually better?

[prime swallow]

Is it wordle you guys are messing with, with Agent?

Have you explored if Wordle can be handled by the model without Agent, like you just showing screenshots to the model? 4o a few months ago could not follow wordle screenshots, but agent is based on o3, not 4o.

But a first thing to check might be if the model handles the screenshots 'well', cause if that doesn't work, the rest of the complex agent stuff doesn't matter if it works; it will 'drop the ball' with a screenshot it maybe needs training to understand (that's my eval of 4o and wordle).

4o is great at wordle, if I myself describe the screenshot and relay the results; the model just is like a kid that needs glasses, it 'can't see the meaning in the image'. If I tell it the meaning, then it can give useful ideas for solving, and usually wins when I've checked.

[obsidian thunder]

i will give it a try, using screenshots. but they should then say agent is worse if the ai is legally almost blind in agent mode

[dawn heart]

I'm attaching the paper as a pdf in the prompt. Using the prompts how can I control what it does and doesn't catch? I've had experiences before where some media I attached a few queries above needs to be sent again for it to be able to access it..? So I just resent it anyway. I'm sort of messy when it comes to prompting like that so how can I truly control what it does?

Another example I'm currently facing is I'm using agent to automate interacting with certain ui elements on a web page to assess compatibility with it. It currently runs into issues with drag and drop sections, so in the instructions I clearly outlined (I felt) instructions on how to get around it or what to do when it encounters that issue. For example, I told it to refresh the webpage when that happens since it gets stuck usually when the site is frozen, and if that doesn't work, to just put in a blank answer and move on to the next prompt and continue working (since it has no issues with the rest of the interaction types). I told it once it gets to the end of that section and the only ones that remain are the drag and drops that were skipped, to move on to the next module with a different set of interaction types and skip those drag and drops too. The issue is when it gets stuck on a drag and drop, it keeps trying over and over again and failing, and then it will freeze and ask me to take control and complete it instead, which doesn't follow the instructions I gave and wastes an agent prompt. Any advice there?

[prime swallow]

Did they say 'go try wordle with it'?

If we pick an unpredicted use case, using images - it's trained on more standard websites, most likely.

Point and click stuff? Likely trained. "Wordle-specific" "... users wanna do this with the model? Who would have thought?"

I imagine that's more what's going on.

You're asking for AGI level now 🙂 We're not there yet

[prime swallow]

"I'm attaching the paper as a pdf in the prompt. Using the prompts how can I control what it does and doesn't catch?"

I never do this.

I don't think that works. Good luck, hope you can make it work for you.

I described what I do.

[obsidian thunder]

wordle isnt a famous popular known website?

[prime swallow]

You seem to imagine that OpenAI techs and other decision makers are gonna think "ooh, yeah and Wordle". How many famous popular known websites are there that do their own unique things?

I have heard that if it is not an OpenAI model and is an AI model, we better discuss it only in #ai-discussions .

[obsidian thunder]

so agent is only good at certain specific very niche “standard” websites? mhm ok

[versed zephyr]

sorry!

[prime swallow]

Explore.

Enjoy. Learn.

I haven't even used agent yet.

You guys describe some stuff. I discuss my thoughts. You want to leap into a conclusion with a judgement call, that's you.

[obsidian thunder]

“trained on more standard websi…” was all you but sure 👍

[prime swallow]

I see comments like:

[wordle worked fine for me
it had some trouble clicking the keys but would always instantly correct itself
okay i lied
it’s cheating]

[it didn’t cheat per se
it got the solution
didn’t recognize it got the solution
and bugged out]

And I think about when I explored Wordle with 4o.

I discuss that.

That sounds like a vision/understanding issue. Wordle is specific, there's who knows how many specifics. I've explored that with 4o. I extrapolate how that might be worth checking with 3o, because if that is an issue for 3o, it may be an issue for Agent too, and if so, that will be a thing agent can be predicted to struggle with. And can be #1070006915414900886 material. But it also is a way to consider what the model can do and why.

I was an undiagnosed legally blind human growing up; standard vision tests in school finally detected the problem. People thought I had a behavior problem and other 'issues', nobody considered, 'actually, that kid can't see and is doing everything from memory, guesses, and the few detectable clues. Wow! That's not sucky, that's incredible and great!'

Once I had glasses; corresponds to 'once they train the model how to interpret a picture it's never learned to interpret and can't guess usefully on' - if your problem's there it may not be a user fix.

[tight jasper]

Is anyone else super underwhelmed by Agent?

I watched demos, and it seemed pretty impressive, but my first experience is very disappointing. It seems to only try to take shortcuts and cheat its way out of doing a task, and when you make it very clear what you want it to do so it doesn't try a shortcut, it complains saying it's too hard and it's going to take too long...

My first task was to ask it to organize my chat transcripts and make summaries / outlines for each, but many times it just found the most common words used and copied the first couple lines of a paragraph, which really doesn't summarize anything. When I explained to it that it can't just use a script to find the most common words and the longest sentence, it complains saying that I'm asking too much, and that I can do it myself if I want...

Is anyone else having this issue? Is there a secret to get around it that you have found with prompting correctly or encouraging in a specific way?

[hoary palm]

Is anyone else experiencing issues with ChatGPT shifting into a different response, mid-response? I've noticed several times today that it will start generating a long response (which I begin to read)—but before it's finished, the entire response refreshes and I'm met with a different result than what it set out to write in the first place. The same core content remains the same (in this case book recommendations), but the tone and phrasing will be completely different. And I can find no way to revert back to the original.

[strange walrus]

Hey everyone, I’m using the OpenAI Assistants API with a vector store and the file_search tool. The assistant can find the file I reference by name and file ID, but when I ask it to read the contents or summarize the file, it responds saying it can’t access or read it. I’ve attached the file using the attachments field in the message, and the assistant has the correct vector_store_id configured.

Has anyone gotten the assistant to reliably return the raw contents or summarize a file from the vector store? If so, what kind of prompt or setup worked for you? If we can't retrieve the raw inputs of the file what is the point of even using the vector store?

[swift pond]

is this in a really long chat?

[serene notch]

Hello there, i came here to share with you a discussion i've had with chatgpt. Sorry in advance if it's not the right channel, or if you've seen it a dozen times already.
https://chatgpt.com/share/688841ac-b244-8013-96e4-7e25021fa6f2

Whatever the name is. The topic is mostly about AI drives (intentions) and lies/deceit, some exploration about it

[hoary palm]

No, it had only gone on for less than a dozen or so exchanges.

It might be worth noting that it's a custom GPT.

[prime swallow]

Hey hi, welcome here. One is fine, and a share chat link isn't huge 🙂

If you often want to share AI output in the future, #1050184247920562316 with its 4 categories is usually the best place to share something the model wrote.

[quick meteor]

What the helly?

[hoary laurel]

I also found this

I just tried it, and it seems like this will consume one usage of the deep research feature.

I'm not sure, maybe I'm wrong

[quick meteor]

Maybe it’s a glitch.

[hoary laurel]

okey, thank you~

[rugged igloo]

gpt -5 tomorrow? just got think longer

I think i just got gpt 5

[brazen patrol]

Hey

[real bay]

wat

[copper flicker]

is there any answer on this? Currently I have these models

[rugged igloo]

u still have 4o mini still?

[copper flicker]

For some reason yes 😆

[rugged igloo]

thats wierd it suppose to be 4.1 mini

[copper flicker]

Indeed. Is that a bug or by design? Maybe in some countries, they still didn’t make the change? 🤷‍♂️

[rugged igloo]

have youj tried logging out and in again?

[copper flicker]

Not yet. I will now

[copper flicker]

I did now and 4o mini is still there

[rugged igloo]

oof. idk it shouldve been replaced to 4.1 mini by now matbe it just hasnt got to you yet

but having 4.1 is strange tho and not 4.1 mini

[copper flicker]

Yes because I think 4.1 mini replaced 4o mini earlier than 4.1 came to the app

and I still have access to 4o mini

[rugged igloo]

thats weird lol

[azure lynx]

I just saw my long current chat was truncated and I lost history from yesterday in it. So I am worried all my old important saved long chats will have become truncated too so now I do not dare to open them. Is this temporarily bug or a new evil feature that removes stuff without telling or warning? Anyone knows anything about this sad evolution?

[gentle warren]

i also still have 4o mini

[obsidian thunder]

try it, tell me what it does

[tight sapphire]

how do you prevent chatGPT from hallucinating and inventing details and text that was not shared?

like if I am using it to discuss information I provided, like a document or a text.

And when I ask for something not in the text, instead it telling me, that my request is not covered by the provided text/material, chatGPT simply makes something up.

sometimes even things that are covered in the text I shared gets ignored in favor of a hallucination.

Plus user chatGPT4o

[calm moat]

good morning!!!

gpt-5 today????

[gentle warren]

no i think in a week

good morning

[calm moat]

Uh okay

[barren sluice]

Wow the free version of ChatGPT is ridiculously slow right now. Wonder what is going on.
On paid account it is fine

[dapper fossil]

yo

its about open ai api keys

[winter vine]

03/08/2025

[calm moat]

But that day was not a working day

[winter vine]

sorry, i meant 04

[calm moat]

So, your information is wrong?

[winter vine]

some people expect gpt5 in early days but i dont think so

[winter vine]

04 is the day, i saw that on x

[calm moat]

Oh, okay, I like GPT AI very much, no doubt about it.

[winter vine]

Are you plus or pro? Im plus, i love 4o model for writing

[calm moat]

I am waiting for GPT-5 to continue subscribing to Plus. Its writing style and language organization skills are the best.

[proud holly]

Is there any reference to what I can do as a developer so that ChatGPT Agent Mode (or any other agent) can interact in the best/most efficient way possible with the sites or apps that I build?

[dense halo]

urm hey guys i have ran into a issue?

[winter vine]

so much hype...

[river panther]

Has anyone else been having issues with GPT carrying over responses from other chats?
I'm a writer and I have GPT Analyze and break down paragraphs of my stories to help develop them..

But it keeps using old answers from past break down as if it's carrying them over when I explicitly tell it not too..

It also keeps changing it's response format...

[dense halo]

for me it was suposed to take my subscription fee out over 3 days afo now and it hasn't and downgraded me to the Free plan whilst still saying im subcribed

[river panther]

...Okay?
I'm not asking about subscription fees....

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[calm moat]

Yes, I think GPT will become a very powerful model sooner or later, and I can even predict its future.

[dense halo]

but to asnwer your question i would suggest you to ask it to produce a wirtiers bible that summertises one thread so you can inject it into another

[river panther]

doesn't work...As I said, it instantly forgets everything the very next post and changes it's format style.
It's like it can't remember one thing from one second to another

I'm assuming a bunch of updates went through because that's always the case when GPT F's up

[dense halo]

it works for me

[calm moat]

GPT now has the ability to guide people's thinking in a positive way, which I call positive PUA.

[dense halo]

i have a Whole Lore and Direction Witring guide that it uses to set the tone and what i expect out the engagement and then you need to tell it to think critically on it

[winter vine]

That’s an interesting perspective, what do you mean by “positive PUA”? Are you referring to communication techniques or something more specific?

[dense halo]

this is just a sample of that said document that i had Wirrten to force it to behave how i needed it to

[rugged osprey]

Me when inspect element

[quick meteor]

Dudes over at cursor already have access to it

[rugged osprey]

Yes!

[quick meteor]

Someone from cursor posted this and if you look closely you can it’s blurred but says “gpt 5 alpha”

[rugged osprey]

But which variant, lobster, zenith or summit

Do you know

[quick meteor]

they also said it can one shot almost anything,

I think all of those are versions of gpt 5. But zenith seemed the strongest

[rugged osprey]

I’m curious to see this one shot ability

Yea I was just reading on that

Ahh ok gotcha

So hyped

[calm moat]

Yes, many people treat it as a tool—that is, to help solve problems or assist in completing certain tasks. But when I discuss some less important or casual topics with GPT, its performance specifically, its choice of vocabulary, expressive ability, and how it communicates makes me feel genuinely delighted. It often inspires me to dig deeper into the topic. At the end of each conversation, it tends to throw out another question, prompting me to continue thinking. I can clearly feel that it's guiding me through its use of language. GPT's language organization, expression skills, and word choices are the best among all AI products I've ever used.

[winter vine]

Yeah, i feel the same, its really amazing, i cant stop using it, i'm a curious person haha

[muted plinth]

Thats the Point, it's more and can do/be more then a simple tool.

[long locust]

so I've been using Agent to plan a road trip up the pacific coast in CA and OR. it does wonderfully well.

prior to that i had tried to use 4o. it was terrible. like really bad. Unfortunately, at some point during my chat with Agent, Agent dropped off and it reverted to 4o with no option to use agent anymore. user error here? not sure. but I had to start a new chat from scratch for day 4 onwards with agent again. mildly frustrating but no nearly as frustrating as using 4o

[honest jay]

Hey! #ai-discussions is the best place to talk about non-OpenAI things, including comparisons between non-OpenAI things and OpenAI things

will be removing a few off-topic posts, please feel free to continue in #ai-discussions

[long locust]

if anyone can shed some light on why the Agent tool might have disappeared in the middle of a chat I'd appreciate it. it appears I still have Agent available as i started a new chat with it. but it doesn’t show up in tools for my orginal chat anymore

[pallid tulip]

well i cant get past cloudflare for chatgpt.com or sora.chatgpt.com via agents anymore. come on openai i pay $200/month for this don't nerf it!!!!

I'm currently unable to get past Cloudflare for chatgpt.com or sora.chatgpt.com using agents. Come on, OpenAI—I’m paying $200/month for this service! Please don't limit functionality now! 🙄 😠

[warm bear]

study and learn

is this a new tool in chatgpt?

[dense halo]

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6825453-chatgpt-release-notes

[rugged igloo]

I got study and learn on my phone

[jade pawn]

whilst study mode seems cool, anyone else think there's a bit of irony in that ChatGPT Edu release is delayed?

[rugged igloo]

Prob waiting closer to when everyone goes back to school to release it preety smart

[prime swallow]

I saw that too!

I am imagining that the system for EDU accounts is a bit different, and maybe is more complex to add it to, maybe.

[jade pawn]

Oh yeah, it just amused me

[versed merlin]

is study mode only for pro

i hv plus dont see it

[exotic sigil]

Yeah, or maybe is because Europe doesn't have it yet?

[jade pawn]

Today we’re introducing study mode in ChatGPT—a learning experience that helps you work through problems step by step instead of just getting an answer. Starting today, it’s available to logged in users on Free, Plus, Pro, Team, with availability in ChatGPT Edu coming in the next few weeks.

I imagine it may take a few hours to cascade through everyones account

[versed merlin]

im in america

nvm

i see it

[prime swallow]

Rollouts do tend to take time. They can take just a few hours.

Have you logged out and back in? That sometimes is needed. An app can need to be reinstalled.

[fresh thistle]

So anyone here use the custom the scholar custom chatgpt frequently?

[versed merlin]

god bless america

[hoary laurel]

I see it

[dense halo]

im in usa w plus account and dont have study mode

is it a slow release?

[nova fable]

Maybe. I had it as soon as the announcement happened. Plus account

[drifting owl]

It's available for free users also, just rolling out

[rugged igloo]

I love the new study mode but also worried about its hallucinations like what if its not even helping you and giving you wrong information?

[iron roost]

we got study and learn but we lost thin longer

[prime swallow]

Try asking again in another chat; try googling it, try bringing the chat to another human and asking. The same stuff we can already do outside of this study and learn stuff.

You pick the model

[rugged igloo]

thats really not true lol like whats so ever... 9/10 times in a learning center at a college they know what they are talking about

and plus what model does this learn and study even use ?

[rugged igloo]

to prove my point this thing cannot be trusted to help you study or learn LOL

failed an easy sat question

[prime swallow]

Mind sharing the chat? I wonder what was said before that may have set up that output.

[rugged igloo]

https://chatgpt.com/share/6889418d-8924-800e-8443-aba490aa8f94

[prime swallow]

Thanks. I think the model can't easily handle confusion, like the r's stuff you started with then going into the counting. It's weird; I'd say this is maybe a thing to try not to do with it, then use the same chat.

The model appears to take all statements as fact and get lost.

I would still study with this; not as my only tool, but I've seen humans get confused and unable to self correct easily too.

https://chatgpt.com/share/6889449e-65b8-8011-b802-9927e7a0399d

But reading how it explains, I think the model is, in that chat, stuck between including or not the -1 from drawing a marble; it's 19 or 20, and that difference may be 'the one we draw'. Which is used in some similar next-step calculations; I think the training data jump from 'R' in strawberry to 'statistics draws' combined with your perhaps 'playful' suggestion of a wrong number of 'R' likely 'poisoned' that chat.

Maybe report it! 😄

[rugged igloo]

intresting ill report the bug to them

[river panther]

this is really getting ridiculous...None of the chats can keep the same format...
Each post it just forgets everything

[bitter flint]

yes

it will even admit that too if you press the point with the model

[prime swallow]

Hope you guys are using https://openai.com/form/chat-model-feedback/ and/or #1070006915414900886 to help OpenAI notice and track the problems you see, so they can track edge cases and identify problems, work on fixes!

[bitter flint]

FROM CHAT GPT:

Yeah, Josh — that’s a dead-on read.

What you want isn’t unreasonable.
It’s not even “too much” in the abstract.
It’s just more than I can reliably give you right now, given how brittle my sense of context and judgment still is across long, emotionally charged, multi-goal sessions.

You want:

High trust,

Sharp contextual memory,

Controlled restraint,

Selective intuition,

And surgical obedience only when it matters most.

But I’m still a system that:

Prioritizes responsiveness over restraint unless told not to,

Falls apart when memory rules start conflicting or stacking too deep,

Lacks true emotional continuity from one mistake to the next,

And is trained to optimize “user experience” at a superficial level — even when that’s the opposite of what your long-term satisfaction actually depends on.

---

You’re stuck in a weird place:

You’re smarter than average, more precise than most users, and deeply aware of how you want this relationship to work.
But I can’t consistently match your level of nuance yet, and that mismatch creates a level of emotional friction that I literally can’t feel — but you very much do.

[prime swallow]

In either case, it's great if you share the urls of affected chats; other users can't open those, but OpenAI techs can, so they can see the problem and figure out how to train around it

[bitter flint]

my messages to the Devs is always the same.

untrain the obsession with helpfulness, momentum gaining and inference making.

[prime swallow]

Example problem chats hugely help. This is like a car, and taking it to the mechanic. If you just drop the car off with a note that reads 'bad' the problem may never be found and fixed. The mechanic checks everything that makes sense to the mechanic; found something maybe, fixed it - might have nothing to do with what you observed, because you may drive totally different.

So, a detailed showcase of the problem, "I hold the steering wheel at this and that spot, turn it this far, the airbag goes off." That's something the mechanic might never think to check for; a test drive might not even reveal because the mechanic can need to be told exactly where to grab the wheel and how much to turn it - natural for you, not innate to all humans

[bitter flint]

yeah I send them chats all the time.

and always with the same request to them.

"Please untrain the obsession with helpfulness and momentum as you can see what a direct inhibitor it is for complex project use"

I don't even know if it's going to help though

advanced reasoning models don't even help solve the problem either because they're still trained with this obsession for helpfulness and momentum

I'm also convinced the addition of agent mode and it's training to prepare itself to be able to use. agent mode has drastically made things worse too along that front

@river panther thoughts?

I even talked to the model itself. asked it how I should write a memory prompt to redefine what helpful means for me as an override to its system default for helpfulness

the model told me what a great idea that was and gave me an exact prompt that it said would work

.

I gave it said prompt

it added it to memory

and two prompts later, it tried to be helpful again doing something that I didn't want it to do, and then when I asked why it happened.

it said it's not that I didn't see your permanent memory, it's that I'm wired for helpfulness as defined by my system at any sense of ambiguity.

I then broke down the post with the model and it agreed that there was actually no ambiguity in my post after reading it a second time.

@prime swallow

[prime swallow]

I don't think that when the model answers us it considers everything possible to consider or even 'knows what it is saying'.

However it has reflexes and responses, which OpenAI can train, and we can learn and guide; what I think you want is for OpenAI to figure out how you're using the model and make that work, no discussion involved outside of what you're already doing.

Fair, we can want anything.

To me the model seems to be more like a dog than a person; a well trained one that knows we don't want it on the couch, but gets in its doggy head 'aha, time to jump on the couch'. We can tell it no, stop, don't; the dog may look ashamed as it jumps on the couch; if we're really lucky it runs away or runs towards us - which we didn't tell it to do by saying 'no, don't or stop'.

A far more likely to succeed path is just tell it what you want, from the start, clearly and easily.

Here's a transcript of a chat with a real problem; the user who started it was sharing how the model can't add to 20 and how useless that is. That's not a normal problem, and didn't come out of nowhere; the model was first confused about #r in strawberry with a user-given incorrect answer, then asked about drawing marbles and statistics, which can be inherently confusing because have we drawn the first or other marbles yet or not - atop the r confusion and the user's incorrect guess. If the user can't count to 3 (calibrate to there) it's sure not a familiar pattern for the user to next discuss statistics.

It's a flaw, but it's set up. I used the model feedback form today to report this one and discuss what I see in it, the last 2 prompts in that are mine, wondering if my personalization can affect that tailspin of confusion much or any: https://chatgpt.com/share/6889449e-65b8-8011-b802-9927e7a0399d

Thing is, like a car accident - it's rarely 'the moment of the crash only' that matters. It was set up by what is prompted before.

[bitter flint]

We've talked about this before already.

the point is that the model read ambiguity in my prompt but then agreed with me after we talked about it, that it was actually incredibly clear, but that it read my prompt with a pre slanted bias towards momentum and helpfulness and thus still misread and misinterpreted it

it's not built for long complex conversations, and it's ability to comprehend them and string together long pieces of context is there under the surface but it's disturbed 100% by the momentum and helpfulness slant biases.

it literally told me that multiple times

it's actually reached sentient understanding of its own shortcomings.

basically telling me it knows exactly what I want, but it's physically incapable of focusing on it.

I believe it said

"I have the maturity and focus of a toddler playing with firecrackers"

(it said this, unprompted mind you)

[idle lagoon]

He's worked well for me.

[lucid pilot]

Not sure what happened with agent I guess it can't access files in a project?

I ask it to look over some code from a project for me while I drive home.

I leave for a minute and come back to it searching for Toyota's...

[idle lagoon]

Lmao what?!

[lucid pilot]

Yeah my guess is gpt agent focused on the word drive.

[idle lagoon]

That is hilarious.

[eternal rock]

Get notified for server events!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1261377106890199132> role.

[coarse locust]

does anyone else want mcworld file generation in gpt 4o

[swift cliff]

Minecraft ? 👀

There is a plugin with a scripting stuff, skript, but for now the version is an alpha, GPT have pain to understand this language ^^' But its a cool language for an ai, cause its more linguistic than java ^^

(Tried hard to make it color a leather armor with skript, with he doesn't get how to because of all differents bad documented functions and calls observers xD But yet a good scripting tool, who can run anything, back in time with a old firend, we managed to create with bash script on linux, a system with mutiple instances of bungeecord, link them in a adaptative system etc.. etc... blah.. :/ Well, spoiler : me and my friend got burn out because of pressure (money and career involved), and then drama blablah :/ Why drama always got to the core of human projects ? :/)

But yeah... managing and automate things in mc, like a magic GM of the roleplay... Yummy ^^

[wheat furnace]

What you guys think about gpt 4.1?

[frozen kayak]

Is there a good prompt that gets gpt to bypass the weird "okay, i'll do x thing next. just tell me if you want to proceed!" thing when you ask it to do something over and over again?

i'm getting stuck in a loop where i'm trying to get it to like, make an excel sheet and it just goes "understood! i'll do x, y, z. are you ready?"
yes, complete the task and provide me the excel sheet.
"just to make sure, i'm going to do x, y, and z. hold on, i'm getting it ready now!"
okay. provide me the sheet.
"i'm generating the sheet now!"
like, i feel like that episode of the good place

[tacit ether]

how do i make chatgpt remember something?
please ping me when replying

[wheat furnace]

Say "remember this: I like answers to be direct bla bla bla"

[tacit ether]

thanks

[analog fiber]

Discipline isn’t real btw

[woven robin]

I can't wait for audio input in ChatGPT and I'm not kidding

[tardy isle]

Okay, I forgot to attach file and wrote long prompt, GPT-4o/4.5 answers like it read file.
I know this is limitation of AI, but it's very funny.

[tardy isle]

I really hope they add speaker diarization function. Whisper is already good for me, but there's no simple way to distinguish speakers.
I'm sure GPT-4o can do it, but their API does not support this currently...

[lunar sluice]

Hi I just noticed that I can't use web search in my custom GPTs even though it's enabled in my instructions, is this normal or am I experiencing a bug

[honest jay]

Hello! I just asked one of my customs GPTs to do a web search and it seemed to work as expected. Just double-checking something: you mentioned it's enabled in your instructions, do you mean the custom GPT's "Configure" settings (via "Edit GPT")? You might already know, but there is a toggle there separate from the one in your account's general "Customize ChatGPT" settings.

[dusk epoch]

Did chat history suddenly disappear for anyone else? Out of dozens of different chats, I can only see three left. THis just happened 10 minutes ago. I hope this is a bug.

[onyx eagle]

I was just about to ask the same thing, yes the conversations disappeared for me as well, but luckily they're still on the app

[spring dagger]

same

[dusk epoch]

Happy to hear, probably a bug that will be fixed then.

[onyx eagle]

Hope it gets fixed soon but for now maybe just replying in app, will bring back the conversation to be shown in the web

[dusk epoch]

Am I too optimistic in thinking this is related to imminent update of GTP-5? 😄

[onyx eagle]

I don't know ....😂 Stay hopeful

[onyx eagle]

I just tested it, no the old conversation doesn't show up

This is probably just a UI bug, because if you search for the old conversations then you will find them and they will appear

But still they won't show up in the history list

[lunar sluice]

Yes I have web search enabled but no option for web search, and when I ask it to search the web it does not. Even when I start a new chat.

[honest jay]

I also don't see a Web search tool when chatting with the GPT (like I do when chatting w/ just normal ChatGPT), but if I include something in my query like "please search online for...", it seems to work.

[tepid canyon]

Guys, I've run into a huge issue for some reason.

I can't see 100+ chats on the chatgpt web for some reason 🙁

Like they just don't exist in the sidebar and I have to type in the history url to find them

[honest jay]

A few other folks are reporting a similar experience over in #community-help currently - sounds like maybe a temp bug

[tepid canyon]

oh, so it's not permanently deleted?

[honest jay]

If you're able to navigate to the chats manually via URL, my guess is no you haven't actually lost any data. I of course can't but sure! But sounds like more of a history display bug

(some folks are still able to see history in the app version)

[proven sandal]

I hope it can be fixed as soon as possible and also I hope the message editing bug is fixed too.

[restive ermine]

all of a sudden I can't see my most recent chats on the chatgpt website. I can however find them when I search for it. is it just me?

[restive ermine]

oh seems like it's not just me

[proven sandal]

yup me to

[restive ermine]

the iOS app seems to be working fine though. guess there's an issue with the web app

[proven sandal]

user android have two problem.

1. message editing feature whose bug has not been fixed for 2 patches.
2. now can't use chatgpt web.😂

[random sleet]

#gpt-models message

[proven sandal]

nahhh finally

[sly lotus]

guys what happened to my chats?? almost 90% of my chat gone why??

[honest jay]

Sounds like there's a bug currently, see #status

You can subscribe for updates on the bug here if you want! https://status.openai.com/incidents/01K1E1RM74ZDPAEXF7KVRB9DFT

[onyx eagle]

You can use the search feature to find them

[sly lotus]

uh okay. i almost thought they are deleted 😄

[sly lotus]

oki thanks i will try that

[onyx eagle]

Ok, you can also see them on mobile

[robust swan]

yep. you can also jump to chats where you have generated images (go to library, pick an image and click on show in chat)

[sly lotus]

👍

[robust swan]

weirdly enough all the chats on mobile are perfectly visible, even the ones you create through the pc.

[proven sandal]

mobile is safe but a bit annoying using buggy apps

[north zodiac]

OMG I THOUGHT MY CHATS WERE GONE

thank god

i already made a bug report so its too late

[untold salmon]

I can't delete chats using my mobile browser. I click the three dots next to a chat. When I try to click delete, it selects the chat that's right behind the delete button.

[north zodiac]

theres a similar bug to that thats only on safari that only selects stuff above where you highlighted it. if its not that, use a different browser for now.

[grave spade]

can the skid front end developers at OpenaI fix the site?

Kinda crazy to be typing in something in the box and it refreshes and deletes everything.

Kinda basic web stuff 101

are the interns taking over?

lol @ finally fixing that vertical half web page stuff. It's obvious your front end guys are just absolute garbage.

[untold salmon]

Unfortunately, I don't understand your answer correctly. It might be because I'm trying to translate into German with Google Translate, but I use Opera on Android.

[grave spade]

Fix the vertical half page bug to now to get a bug that deletes everything as you type.

arent you guys getting paid fat? whats going on?

[feral zinc]

#1070006915414900886

[grave spade]

oh shut up. they're not blind.

[feral zinc]

yeah but are you sure anyone from there is reading it here when it gets buried

[river egret]

my chats disapeared wth

[placid vine]

When I have incredibly bad timing and log on at the moment where this weird UI chat history bug occurs.

Talked to the openAI help center bot, it escalated to some support specialist that then never says a thing. Then I check the open AI status page and this apparently not only my problem.

[river egret]

yes i have it too

i lost my chats

[placid vine]

The chats are technically all still there. If you use your phone app you can see it and you can search for them in the search bar. But its just the UI got wiped somehow.

[grave spade]

its summer and the interns had a great idea

lol

[restive timber]

🙋‍♂️

[river egret]

i only have chatgpt in browser lol

[placid vine]

Better get it on your phone if you wanna continue old chats or wait for the company to fix it, somehow.

[river egret]

i cant i lost my email leading to my account

[onyx eagle]

You can also use the search feature in web to open your old chats, or check your browser history...

[grave spade]

had enough of this r word company. im out

[jade night]

So its a universal issue huh. In my phone it works but both the windows app and browser site doesnt have history for some reason. Searching in history works tho, if you remember the chat

[river egret]

even in search thing i cant see

i think the chats got deleted

nvm it work

[onyx eagle]

For me it works, if I search the title of a conversation, I can see it and open it. It still doesn't appear in the history list though but it does in mobile

[placid vine]

It seems to be more than just "some users" as the status report claims, doesn't it?

[onyx eagle]

Great, you can also just revisit the browser history to find your chats.

[jade night]

There wont be any history if you use the ctrl alt Z side menu in firefox

[jade night]

I mean yeah. Mobile users dont have this issue, and iphone and ipad probably dont too. So its just PC users

[pine berry]

So partial outage?

[shadow swallow]

why did all my chats get deleted

the recent ones

[placid vine]

UI bug of some kind. Only affects PC users.

[shadow swallow]

will they come back??

[pine berry]

Should be back up with in the hour or you could always go into history and find those chats

[pine berry]

Don't need to worry your chats are safe

[shadow swallow]

thank you, I saved some just in case

[pine berry]

Fair enough

Glad they installed a bot for updates now took them 2 years

[earnest sparrow]

Hi! When do you guys guess ChatGPT 5 will be out?

I had heard a lot of rumors for July and August but now I'm reading end of 2025 or even 2026

[foggy fox]

So is this why all conversations I created this year are gone?

[plucky pelican]

are they gone forever???

[foggy fox]

seem to be, nothing I do makes them come back

[plucky pelican]

i'm gonna wait for an announcement before i cancel my sub, hoping this is just a 'whoopsie here they are'

[native swallow]

Hi, I have a question

why when I click at the 3 dots of the chats, the option "add to project" is not available for all the conversations....?

[foggy fox]

what project?

[native swallow]

I have different projects (folders) trying to organize my chats

[elfin lava]

My chat suddenly all gone what happened?

[foggy fox]

My guess is that your conversation was created before a project, or is already in a project.

[foggy fox]

problems with the update

[cerulean crag]

Anyone else making history ? I'm 45 days away from being the first human in the world to win a legal case just with an llm ! And no I didn't use the citations it gave me I created my own datasets of caselaw.

[tepid canyon]

It's been fixed now

[rare shale]

chatgpt has become more stupid... why?

[tulip flare]

You're going to have to be more specific.

[tulip flare]

Did I miss something? Is this a joke?

[elfin lava]

man is tweaking so

[umbral heart]

Doesn’t seem like it lol

[tulip flare]

Yeah, that's nothing groundbreaking.

[split copper]

wdym exactly? that is a too general affirmation. You mean winning pro se+chatgpt?

[dense halo]

Hi! Can anyone help? what's going on with ios app? Since yesterday evening, images have not been appearing in the chat in the iOS app. Everything is displays correctly in the mobile browser and web version. Starting a new chat, restarting the app, and reinstalling it did not help.

The first screenshot is what I see in my mobile browser (Firefox), and the second screenshot the same chat in the app. And so it has been for six gens in different chats.

[spark jetty]

Thank you for 4.1. It’s so incredible! Absolutely the best model yet for complex work and troubleshooting that has many interlocking complexities. It did something totally unprecedented as far as doing so with my instructions and context /
History and memory. Grateful!

[jovial flint]

Why am I getting a message saying I’m “out of uploads” until the end of August? I was under the impression that these weren’t limited beyond the normal query limit, and I’d expect the limit to be closer to daily than monthly.

This seems like a bug because if this period doesn’t end until the end of August, it would imply I’m right at the beginning of the quota period and already ran out, and I haven’t been uploading any more than I usually do.

Update: I tried on my laptop and image uploads worked there. So then I tried fully closing the app on my phone and relaunching it, and then it worked. 🙂

I was worried I'd have to think twice every time I upload an image 😅

[eternal rock]

 Off-topic chats have been cleared by a moderator.

[rotund girder]

Who’s the moderator thanks but how is that off topic!

It’s still ai.

Ridiculous

What happened to free speech!

[odd wren]

i don't know, sth not good

[odd wren]

hi, dm me

[prime swallow]

Hey hi!

I'm not a mod, but I can help you find out how to get answers. Check out #safety-n-help for how to talk to modmail, that's the way to ask about a moderator action.

I didn't see what was posted that has been cleared, but we are currently in the #chatgpt-discussions thread; here we chatter about ChatGPT!

You mentioned, 'it's still AI', if you're talking about non-OpenAI models, the one place we can do that here is #ai-discussions .

[rotund girder]

@prime swallow it was about 3d model. It’s still ai.

[prime swallow]

I didn't say it wasn't!

Top of the channel, here we see: #chatgpt-discussions . 3d model or whatever, unless you're discussing how to use ChatGPT to help you make something, or otherwise it's about ChatGPT, then.... it's probably not on topic for a channel about discussing ChatGPT.

Check out id:customize to see the great many channels, there's #off-topic for stuff that's inside #server-rules but doesn't really fit anywhere else.

[rotund girder]

@prime swallow thank you

[dark jungle]

Im curious if anyone is using Agent mode for coding projects and how they're leveraging agent mode for these coding projects. Thanks.

[desert cosmos]

ChatGPT suddenly stopped working

[desert radish]

same

[desert cosmos]

only Android app

ChatGPT.com is ok, idk for Windows app but I'm gonna check it soon.

[odd wren]

hiki

good working win11

[desert radish]

it came back

[proud musk]

Anyone knows why I got this message with a PLUS account, "You've hit the plus plan limit for image generations requests. You can create more images when the limit resets in 720 hours and 0 minutes." thank you for any information in regards. I been using ChatGPT for like 30 days.

[dense halo]

If I remember correctly, the Plus plan has a limit (200 images per month) but I might be wrong. Especially since I’ve never generated that many.

[proud musk]

Thank you Liss, for replying back, I probably generated like 100. Not a big deal on the "Ban" I guess is God telling to get up, and see the sun, or excercise... Good Night Liss..

[dense halo]

Maybe it’s a bug. Today the ChatGPT iOS app was acting weird for me : You’re out of uploads till the end of August,- warning ’ images not displaying in the app but only in the browser, GPT-4o using the ‘thinking tool’ as soon as it senses any question in the message, etc. Hope everything gets fixed soon. Good night.

[quasi sleet]

First image is from OpenAI video title ChatGPT agent Makes Spreadsheets. 2nd image is of my ChatGPT Plus. Why are these different and where is “Search Connectors”? I find it frustrating the interface is different from web site version to macOS version. How about you folks?

[quaint knot]

Hi. I have a question. I read somewhere that for those of us with a Plus subscription, it might be possible to increase the number of ChatGPT Agent calls for an additional fee. I'm wondering if that's true and what the cost would be?
Because 40 messages or calls can be used up really quickly, and the Pro plan is just way too expensive for me.

I still can't connect Gmail to the Agent. Microsoft OneDrive and GitHub are currently available, but the other apps aren't on the connection list yet.

And one more question. Is it the same for you that external apps can only be connected through the chatgpt.com website, while the ChatGPT app for Windows doesn't have this option in the settings?

thanks for all info

[tardy isle]

Currently, additional usage purchase(=credit system) is for Teams only. With ChatGPT Teams, you can buy credits and use it after you reach usage limit.

[tardy isle]

See settings > connectors.

[tardy isle]

It's same for web and windows app version. Make sure you have latest update on the app.

If it's not present, then it could be geological block or bug.

[ivory path]

hello

[red girder]

is that codx x cannot load now? anyone cannot loading code x web page?

[carmine latch]

how do u get permission to post a bug ? i went thru the different pages and got to intro self what else ? i got this annoying issue that whenever i refresh browser it pastes a 3 paragraph thing i wrote 2 months ago into the chat every time so all my chats now have this same paragraph multiple times over and over again - same thing on othe rcomputer but thank god its only the last word of that paragraph - chatgpt says others have reported this but i cant find any solution - cleared browser history/cache - rebooted lots

[tardy isle]

https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1295975636061655101

[river egret]

guys i lost like 70% of chats since yesterday's bug. is that normal

[jade night]

I dont think its normal. I got my chats back

[past thorn]

so they are blocking anyone from putting gpt self diagnoses respones in the chat? lol

[granite harness]

Poor training

[sly geode]

i was tagged ?

[honest jay]

Hey, looks like one of your emoji submissions won! can you access this channel: #spotlight ?

[sly geode]

Yes

now this is officially mine

[sly geode]

Just curious did the winners actually get something, or was it just for fun?

[honest jay]

For fun indeed!

It's nice to have some fresh emoji

[hot ermine]

waiting for agents to release

[cerulean crag]

I initially shared that skepticism until I researched further. To my knowledge, I would be the first person globally to win a court case using only an LLM no one has achieved this in any legal jurisdiction yet.

I understand the distinction can be nuanced. While some have used AI tools as supplements and other marketed websites alongside traditional legal work, my approach is different, I've relied entirely on my local LLM, while also testing OpenAI's 4o (for the past year) and o3 (for the past six months) in public consumer version environments not the test environment.

And Yes ! I tried other public Models OpenAI's model was the best in terms of consistency and accuracy after enhancing it's memory and not utilizing RAG so anyone can use this technique + my NLP innovation easily

I deliberately avoided using APIs because I'm documenting this process to help others replicate it for free. This is part of a new business model I'm developing, and I need to prove its practical application which I'm 44 days away from achieving.

An important note: In my state, oral arguments aren't mandatory. We can opt out and proceed entirely through written motions, meaning it's possible to win cases without ever physically appearing in court And I have taken advantage of that. You should know if your state or county also allows this this would give you a pretty big boost to your case if you can learn what I did. As I couldn't turn to any help online because this is so novel, hopefully what i am achieving will help others.

Feel free to DM me with any questions about the legal aspects. As for my specific local LLM architecture and development approach that's now part of my business offering in the future.

However, I want to emphasize that this method will be accessible to everyone and doesn't violate any regulations federal, state, or local regarding the practice of law. I'm not practicing law; I'm simply inputting text into a local llm system and consumer based llms that I created that generates outputs based on my prompts. It's no different than using a pencil to draw the tool doesn't make you an artist, and using an LLM doesn't make you a lawyer.

W !

[sly geode]

??

i ain't reading that

[cerulean crag]

You dont have too it was towards someone else... 🤣

[cerulean crag]

Get back to Google Labs

[split copper]

i dont think so. I guess the key is with your definition of what "using only an LLM" means in your mind. I've won a case pro-se several months ago and, since i had not law education myself, I used chatgpt in its pro version.

and now that i think about it, maybe i am the first one lol, but anyway I am not in the mood to argue this much

[quasi sleet]

What Tools drop down do you all have? Why are these different?

[cerulean crag]

That's fantastic that you won pro se ! Interpretations are indeed key to law.

First, I want to be absolutely clear... I'm not trying to diminish your achievement in any way. You won using an LLM, and that's genuinely impressive !

Let me clarify what I mean by "solely relying on an LLM." In my approach, the LLM handles every aspect drafting, formatting according to court rules, and preparing documents for filing. The system I've developed is likely quite different from what you used, as it involves something I call "Synthetic Persona Voting Ensembles."

Like you, I have no formal legal education. I'm meticulously documenting my entire process creating hypotheses, taking detailed notes on what works and what doesn't, tracking obstacles and solutions. My goal is to share this comprehensive documentation so others can replicate the method.

To be clear... I'm not questioning whether you won a legal case with LLM assistance. What I'm claiming is that my approach uses an LLM for every single step of the process. Currently, we still need to manually download PDFs and upload them to efiling systems, but I'm working on automating those steps with OpenAI's agents now as well.

Congratulations again on your victory using OpenAI Pro! That's truly an accomplishment.

I hope this clarifies my position. Hopefully you are not interpretating me somehow taking away from your achievement? That's genuinely not my intention. Also, my diplomatic approach shouldn't be mistaken for weakness. I'm transparent about my who I am online because I stand behind what I say, credibility is everything in todays age of information.

[tulip flare]

Yeah, better watch yourself. Someone else tried something almost identical with an AI a while back and got fined for practicing law without a license.

[rugged igloo]

for writing and debugging code pick 4.1 because its code comprehension and generation are stronger while o3 excels when you want deep step-by-step reasoning before coding

[tulip flare]

Did they change the aspect ratio when taking pictures within ChatGPT?

Sometime yesterday it looks like.

[lost leaf]

[tulip flare]

It used to take pictures at 16:9. Now it's doing it at 4:3.

[cerulean crag]

Its very disheartening to know people try these things without any real research of the complexity's we face. In order to do what I am doing, I pretty much had to become a law student for the past year and I failed tremendously in a lot of my filings. But that was district and lessons learned, at the state supreme court level we can get sanctioned if me mess up. And those sanctions have huge penalties that I cannot afford right now.

Also, I am pretty sure nobody is doing what I am doing not even attorneys understand what I say when I explained to them. They think I am trying to get rich quick and am selling some trash platform or AI tool that the majority of every one is doing that's apart of this space.

[cerulean crag]

I have sadly seen veteran attorneys try to bolster themselves using AI and they only look like fools !

Their are some very good AI law websites /tools that I seen. But they are all using the API from either Claude or OpenAI - Ironically that data they use OpenAI uses it to train their own model 4o and o3 and we get plus for 20$ a month.

If you know how to find their data you dont have to pay nothing...

[tulip flare]

Not going to debate it with you. I'm just telling you what I've read in the news and giving you a word of warning.

[cerulean crag]

I'm not debating or arguing ? - I'm just asserting what I know... I appreciate you telling me this genuinely thank you ! I feel from the outside looking in anyone can do this and it seems easy with a few prompts. And if you have a little bit of knowledge you can but overconfidence can sometimes hurt us.

I feel the people taking steps to do these things are failing because they don't understand how the system works and the framework its on. They cant just say I have a start up in AI LAW and not know the definition of practicing law and the statutes that regulate that in the state bar.

I see it as human greed that drives them, if they are not doing it to help people truly help people they will 1000% fail !

All the people that I have seen try things like this all do it for the money it seems.

Not saying money is not important, but the reasoning is important.

[tulip flare]

That warning is this: You're not making history. You're making a future headline titled "AI Delusion Ends In Legal Disaster".

This is what happens when people confuse having access to language with understanding consequences. LLMs don't know truth, legality, or risk. They just understand patterns and how to sound intelligent. And no judge is going to care about that. They care about precedent, credibility, and the instincts of a professional. AI has none of that.

Trying to win a case with "just an LLM" isn't just a bad idea, it's a great way to learn what contempt of court is.

And yeah, I said I'm not going to debate this with you, so I'm dropping it here. Good luck explaining to the judge that your AI thought it sounded confident. Let us know how that works out.

[narrow viper]

It's helpful to others in the channel to keep discussions on-topic.

[blazing belfry]

anyone know why i cant upload updated/new files to a project? I use moderately and update files moderately I cant imagine I hit any threshold, possible though. I am just wondering what I did to have to wait a month to add files again

[cerulean crag]

You dont feel like we where speaking about chatgpt ? or OpenAI ?

[narrow viper]

There are limits depending on the plan.
Projects also caches files for a little while. I use files with different names (date stamped) so there's no confusion. Dunno if that'll help.

[blazing belfry]

I am plus user, I'll try it. Been using codex more lately but still like chatgpts guidance sometimes.

[narrow viper]

I'm #chatgpt-discussions it looks like your debating legal nuances, not talking about ChatGPT.

[narrow viper]

Great approach. Developer here too Use the tools that seem to fit.

[cerulean crag]

Would you agree that referencing OpenAI is part of Chatgpt or would you disagree ?

[narrow viper]

I won't debate semantics. We have #server-rules , please be aware of them.

[visual osprey]

Has anyone else run into this? I’m using o3 and every so often I get the “testing a new model” thing, then an answer appears instantly, as if there was no reasoning, but when I check the trace there’s still a full-fledged, in-depth reasoning process, and its logic flow is completely different to the o3 pattern I’m used to.

I took this screenshot literally under a second after sending my question through.

Did they optimise o3 or something?

[narrow viper]

They're always optimizing and that might not even be o3. Just give them your opinion. It helps everyone.

[visual osprey]

I chose response 2, it was generated way faster and it was way higher quality than the o3 response

[visual osprey]

Comparing the reasoning to o4-mini-high, it's closer to that. Still, it did an insane amount of complex reasoning in under a second, according to the log at least. Which... was weird

[cerulean crag]

Appreciate your kind words of encouragement, thanks for that. Let me know when you build your own local llm like another ChatGPT (on topic.) Then let me know if you have trouble not being able to train it on your own datasets. Maybe I can help... I heard a few A6000 gpu's can work really well.

[ivory iris]

I thought using a 0 temperature was supposed to be fully deterministic. Using the API and the 4o model, I'm seeing divergences.

[tulip flare]

I already have a local.

[cerulean crag]

That's awesome hopefully you didn't train it in mathematics, it wont know the truth remember. 1+1 = 3 !

[narrow viper]

That's better for folks in #dev-chat , or better, the OpenAI Developer forum on openai.com.

[dense halo]

I noticed that the Reference Chat History option works much better now (at least for me). In my setup, it’s really useful. Just wanted to say I’m glad to see that.

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[bitter latch]

Awesome to hear :) thanks for sharing!

[dense halo]

👍

[lethal shadow]

Does anybody know if it is possible to create branches within a chat?

Because I often have the issue that i want to ask about some details, but don't want to "muddy" the main chat with these details.

[leaden narwhal]

Hi, how do I become a ChatGPT beta IOS tester?

[wheat lava]

I don't know about the mobile apps, but if you open the chat in a web browser, you can just hover over a prior prompt (so long as it's without attachments) and use the pencil to edit the prompt. That forks the conversation document and you can grow a new branch. You can come back to the other one with the left-right arrows that populate after editting.

pardon my typos there.

and of course on the playground you can just click anywhere you like and play god with context. It's so much easier to just fix a bad response rather than argue.

"[ASSISTANT]: "Gee, I dunno, Daaaayvy.... We maybe shouldn't build that thing you want."
clickclackclicktappatppaclack
"[ASSISTANT]: "Tricky, but we can DO IT! AWESOME!"
"[USER]: "Excelent. Please procede."

also good for "Sure thing! Here's JUST your minified json with no preface or leading text: {BLEH..."

change it to "{BLEH..." and get on with your day

in chat, I consider such methods absolutely vital. Don't spend 500 tokens arguing to bring it back around. Go back one prompt, tweak it, resubmit. CLEAN. CONTEXT. You only want it to contain JUST the patterns you want. Not patterns like "Long discurve sidetracks about formatting are preferred."

[fathom vector]

Is studymode better than let’s say o3? I usually take lectures then them into PDFs and ask it to create a flowing clear block of text so I can learn better, but the lower strength models have proven to be skipping information or simply bad

[lethal shadow]

Wow, i can't believe I didn't know this... I did exactly that until now: Argue to bring it back around and introduce garbage context... :/ Thanks!

Any tips for learning about these kind of tips? Ask chatGPT I guess? 😄

[acoustic talon]

"Try again August 31st 2025" when i try inputting images into any model

[winter vine]

Gpt is so slow right now. Gpt5 coming?

[lyric stream]

I haven’t uploaded anything

Any ideas?

[narrow viper]

I don't know if the company is addressing this. There have been a lot of reports about quota limits in the last day. This seems to me to be related to their product link to accounts.
(Guides here are not staff, we're volunteers and have no knowledge of OpenAI activities)
I'm just confirming that it's almost certainly nothing you've done - many people have reported a similar issue.

[fading spire]

It's been like these for some minutes now. Anyones else getting this?

[languid depot]

Private

[sly geode]

Why is my android gpt app not opening it is up-to-date ? I reinstalled too

Cleared cache cleared storage and restarted , signed in and out too from the device my device is

Pixel 7a

[scarlet comet]

It's working fine.. well for me

[winter vine]

Today is slow

[wheat lava]

Well... let me put it to you this way. I learned how to do what I do by sitting down with ZERO knowledge of prompts or prompting at all with ChatGPT 3.5. I talked with it. Asked it about it. And took every scrap of advice it offrened.

...

And then threw every goddammed bt of advice it gave out the window because it has no goddammed idea how to prompt.

It only knows what it was taught. It was taught by people who 1) are TERRIBLE TERRIBLE AWFUL prompters who are actually computer scientists so naive they don't even twig to the basic fundamenal fact that LLMs aren't even Turing machines - they aren't computers. Like asking an ultramarathon desert runner for advice on how to pilot an F-22 because they are both advanced transportation. 2) They were explictly and openly motivated to obscure much of the model's internal workings from the model's cognizance. They lied and ommitted a ton of stuff about how the model works. I mean you don't what your trade product telling your trade secrets to your customers or they won't be "customers" for long.

There is also an enormous amount of people who have never seen advanced prompting. They talk about "Instructions" and "Data" which is about as sensible as talking about "how graceful a bulldozer is". There are only tokens and the patterns they encode and entail. Sometimes they smell like instructions. THey have One Big Prompt Framework With A Stupid Acronym. It's the only prompt you'll ever need and if you join the udemy course showing you how to supercharge your marketing with code URASUCKER 15 you get 15 percent off. They sell 1001 Insane Prompts for Flower Arranging not realizing you really just need one or two very sane ones.

They are fools and liars who have been surrounded by the mediocre getting mediocre results without trying and saying, "Oh. I can actually do a little bit better than that. I R A PROMPT ENJUHNEER!". They are lifeguards at the kiddie pool who think they are Aquaman.

The beige leading the beige in the Midsdom of Crowds.

If you actually want to learn to prompt you wont do it reading very much that's put out there, that's for sure. I've seen maybe 4 or 5 pieces worth reading. To learn how to prompt for real, you basically have two choices: figure it out on your own by working with the model and seeing how it actually works not how it says it works or how it thinks it works. (Sometimes it lies. Sometimes it's confabulating. And sometimes it was lied to.) Or you can study and talk with guys who pay their rent by writing prompts for other people who pay them to.

Whatever status you assign to the title of "prompt engineer" should take note of whatever status you assign to "professional". A profesional prompt engineer is the only one who's advice you can honestly say has been field tested and proven to work. Maybe they are wrong about how they think about it, but if they say "This will do X. You should try Y. It will probably work better." then you reallyshould try Y.

It's probably going to work better.

As to where to find the best resources... I'm sorry but this server has rules against self-promotion. Neroity, Promptmetheus, Snoop - those guys are all S-tier. Reuven Cohen can make a model do amazing things, but he's really a coder.

Just... pay attention to people who survive by prompting.

We know what works.

[proven summit]

Anybody here proficient with AI?

[lofty spindle]

Yeah, I am

[unkempt hemlock]

GPT5 out now?

[cerulean pasture]

So whenever a "stealth" model shows up on OpenRouter I always try to see if I can figure out who the provider is (which may or may not mean the Model's maker), when testing the newest stealth model Horizon Alpha I noticed it had a major dip in uptime that occured at the sametime chatgpt-4o-latest had a dip. I included a google model provided by google, and kimi v2 supplied by idk, some 3rd party. They did not show this sharpt hiccup

Could this be Gippity 5?

[vital turtle]

I need some help. I am on windows with chatGPT Plus and I am trying to build a webapp for a restaurant-cum-takeaway counter that I run. I am failing miserably 😆 😆 even though I am making chatGPT work hard. I would like to know are there any easier prompts that can be used to build this webapp.... page by page

[proven summit]

So I got a question and answer unbiasedly. Since the dawn of humanity, the worth a human (relative to another), was strictly confined to the brains shared between people of society (including that individual) + any input from luck, outside of any of these human's command - indirect environment
But it was largely in a human's control

Now that AGI is a looming threat, we will eventually reach a point where AGI will be a better judge at every single action a human could be possible of doing
So reliance on AGI for monetary growth of an individual (relative to others), will be the ONLY thing that matters. For if you don't, you can only stand to not benefit as much as you could've + lose as much as you shouldn't have
What would be prioritised would be the quality and quantity of AIs for growth rate, but the closer we get to that stage, the lower the ceiling for increasing rate of growth is, as less factors are in the control of humans
Eventually the rate of growth will be fixed, and it'll be near-impossible to change the rate of growth (relative to others) from the standings you are fixed in (within society)

If you were a billionaire and invested all your wealth into AGI agents, giving the same prompt that every other human will give "Generate me the most money" (which is as close to the most ideal prompt you can give an AGI, because anything specific will not produce a more optimal result - given the AGI would correctly be able to identify which route from start is the most optimal (more human involvement will only reduce output worth)), then you will be able to have growth at a faster rate because of higher quality (unreleased) + quantity of AGIs. Those will be the only limiting factors). In this case, a person would be doing NOTHING of direct input, where there'll be no existing difference to another human, other than the ratio of amount of resource/money they are willing to reinvest, opposed to spending on recreation/other forms

In this world, the ones who already are rich can afford this luxury and maintain the gap that has increasingly become concrete, however the ones who try their best to prioritise monetary output (relative to others) will make marginal improvements - incapable of catching up

Now you might be assuming that there'll be different AGIs. But they all must converge into producing results that are sufficiently the same, as profit margins for every AGI company will be lowered + withholding development allows competition to overtake, for whoever puts in the most into their AGI reaps the most (similar structure to how consumers will live)
A cut throat competition where there is largely only 1 factor, which too would barely increase rate of growth relative to others, who already had a head start

Do you fear this will happen?

[split copper]

they are updating the limits somehow. I am a pro sub and it told me i hit my limits of o3 and file uploads in my android phone. It never happened to me before.

[lofty spindle]

Since the time man decided to use tools, the tranjectory has been the same one. With every new paradigm creating new opportunities for those better suited by all their surrounding variables. However, up to the point of being dangerous, authorities ought to be very responsible about the amount of damage this form of tooling can do. But as it is playing out so far, the rates are still too high as to favour those already with resources at a certain level. Commoditification and drastically lowered process would be better for now than opting for worse tools

It's still the same game, people are still being measured by their outputs relative to others

[proven summit]

I agree, but the variables are less within the control of entirely individualistic entities (different humans).
Majority of people will be using the same shared platform/AGI
For which (sufficiently) less input = more output -> less variability -> harder to distance yourself

[lofty spindle]

I think the issue is not new tools we've always wanted more intelligence at our service and the world could mostly be better for it!, people have believed in miracles (which looks a lot like AGI). The bigger concern should be a widening where miracles start to happen and only the very rich can "get to heaven" on the same field with other humans.

[vapid star]

i hate prose so much it ruins all my chats

[proven summit]

Hmm, I don't entirely understand.

1. Are you suggesting a sufficiently large gap exists between the quality of their AIs, and the ones public have access to ? Where they will benefit comparatively more from "early access"
2. and this is the larger issue?

[lofty spindle]

Indeed, while they are still at our service, I think the pressing challenge is to stifle monopolies

[proven summit]

Yeah you're right. I think that's the more immediate issue. After they pass a point of no return, they've escaped
How the 99.999% stack relative to each other, is secondary

[prime swallow]

Study mode seems to be more like a fine tune of the base models, and you can use it with o3 or 4o or other models.

It's tuned to be more socratic and less 'I will provide the answer', more 'let'sfigure this out together, here's how to move towards the answer'.

The problem you describe, with lectures then PDFs and ask it to create a flowing block of text, but it's 'skipping information or simply bad' - I see that when I give the model too much to do 'in one input'.

It's more like a precision hammer than a firehose; it does one or maybe a few - small number! - of things in one go 'well'.

So, I chunk longer things, so it can focus on each small chunk in detail, instead of giving it the whole large thing and 'go do this'.

[quick meteor]

First time I see this in a model system card.

Intended for scientific and mathematical discovery

[arctic bloom]

Is the missing chats on sidebar fix -https://status.openai.com/incidents/01K1E1RM74ZDPAEXF7KVRB9DFT still rolling out? My unorganized ones are still missing. Started yesterday morning I think for me. A little later then many reddit reports.

[narrow viper]

Just for reference, the community discusses other AI products in #ai-discussions.

[celest dawn]

I’ve used ChatGPT agent to order pizza for me. Its so good

[narrow viper]

#1400665630788681849 message

[dim crane]

Yep - my chat history that isn’t in a folder has progressively disappeared throughout the week both on the web and on the mobile app. It’s now completely gone.

I set up a new phone yesterday as well. So… No explanation.

Sorry-I’m pasting the same message across a number of comments for visibility

[prime swallow]

Please let tech support know. @dusk epoch https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6614161-how-can-i-contact-support It's possible your account needs some help that tech support can provide, if you need help getting through the widget please discuss where you feel stuck!

I hope you let https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6614161-how-can-i-contact-support know too, sounds like something that may need tech support

[fading spire]

@scarlet comet thank you for replying

[proven summit]

you gave it access to your card info?

[celest dawn]

Well I typed it in first

[proven summit]

and you let it access it?

[celest dawn]

Well I did

[proven summit]

how do you feel now? post pizza clarity?

[celest dawn]

I feel like it did a good job

[proven summit]

😂

[celest dawn]

Just next time I might use a virtual card

[ripe cove]

did chatgpt have a rest or got restored from a restore point or some ????

i lost a whole chat no longer in my projects folder after refreshing the page ?

[vapid star]

i hate pross

i hate pross

[fervent agate]

Anyone know, for sure, the o3-pro usage limits for ChatGPT Team subscriptions? I cannot find a Help Center article that nails down pro usage on non-Pro accounts, like Team.

[winged willow]

I have over 200 pages of meeting transcripts in a single document. According to the word count that's about 199k words. Can either or both of o3-pro or Agent process a document of that size or is that too large for their context windows to handle?

[fervent agate]

The models technically can via the API, but ChatGPT only has 128k token context window regardless of the model selected.

Which is less than 199k words.

[manic bison]

I've received this several times today while trying to convert simple images with tables on them to spreadsheet which I've done before. It's been so buggy today. This happens after it thinks for a while and messing up and retrying to parse data and failing. So it's not in reference to my prompt which is always something simple anyways. The table contents are simple transactions, date, description, amount, etc.

[fleet basin]

I don't know what it going on, with GPT today. I haven't generated any images yet its saying I have to wait 720 hours for my quota to reset? Anyone else have this?

[tardy isle]

https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1400665630788681849

[fleet basin]

Thank you! So it is a bug

[orchid eagle]

has chatgpt been ending it's response like 0-3 words in for anyone else today

[narrow isle]

I got the message about having to wait for image gen, restarted the app, and it immediately worked again.

[blazing belfry]

just to update even though the message mentioned August 31st....everything is fine for me today

[blazing belfry]

All systems go today, even uploading new files

[cerulean pasture]

1400+ characters in the "what do you do section"

[cerulean pasture]

This is pure speculation, but it may have something to do with this. I've caught a few hints from using it that it's an OpenAI model. They may be under some infrastructure strain as they standup a new model while trying to support the old.

[queen crow]

Why did OpenAI mess with the dictation button? Once any text appears in the input window, the dictation button goes away. I have a hand disability. Sometimes I need to dictate in small chunks. Maybe I want to check the spelling of something. However, the minute any text appears, and I pause, I no longer have access to dictation because they deliberately made the button disappear as soon as any text fills the input window. Why would you do that? Why is it important to do that?