[Vesti: Tactical Upgrade] New Unit Megathread

[coarse night]

Dps option like Rei Ein level or Scarlet level? Or basically, easily being one of the three teams for sp atk or def teams?

[edgy onyx]

strongest ever exist DPS

[spring jay]

If Nero & Moran would've kept team alive vs SBS & Blanc, Vesti & Blanc destroys them.
If Noah & Biscuit would've kept team alive vs SBS & Blanc, Vesti & Blanc destroys them.

Even Emilia style comps have a chance of destroying enemy team when it's Vesti instead of Emilia (Noah & Vesti & Red Hood)

She's flipped PvP meta and invalidated a bunch of defenses

[coarse night]

Even? So vesti is weaker at doing what Emilia does?

But sounds like a pull

My gemmies

[edgy onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dURibo94u0g

Moran burst which gives team 35% DR
4 shots later = wiped

[coarse night]

Dang it beats Trina scarlet 2rl before they burst?

Actually I couldn’t tell if scarlet bursted or not

[edgy onyx]

didn't burst

no "immune" showed on top of his Nikkes

[zealous pagoda]

bark bark bark woof woof

i need mlb vesti now

[sudden cargo]

does moran dr buff go away when she dies or something

oh nvm

that's a no invest nero

no wonder she died

[dense skiff]

that moran died before bursting, so rapunzel bursted instead

[unique oriole]

She a child right

[stuck glade]

Still no pinned messages about recommended investment. Seems like really no one is bothering

After all these build up from story, they finally went from Terrible to Mid

[edgy onyx]

here

[keen dust]

Shift up really is refusing to allow us to have different comps.

You'd think we a trio restriction, they'd make them at least be good as a trio, but nope

I'm starting to think they are vibe coding with their numbers.

[sudden cargo]

watch the upcoming bunnies to all be mid

[real coral]

There bad?

[sudden cargo]

would be a first for bunny banners

[real coral]

There adding new bunnies

[sudden cargo]

honestly I hope they're mid

[real coral]

I need anis bunny

[keen dust]

1% bunny incoming

[sudden cargo]

bunny harran

[real coral]

Nah

[keen dust]

Bunny delta 1%

[zealous pagoda]

shift up doesn't play the game, they probably think boss defense actually matters

[spring jay]

They do not have the intention of balancing all characters to be equally capable

They are aware of how their numbers end up at and are aware of numbers their playerbase are putting out

It's looking obvious that they have somebody or somebodies dedicated to PvP figuring things out and giving feedback, testing pvp comps

Have been for a while

That's why TU Vesti is as cracked as she is in PvP in all these ways

And they're using True Damage gimmick to keep her under control in PvE

As well as preventing her S2 procs from proccing on parts. It probably used to and they removed it

[real coral]

Ok so
Vesti pvp very good
Vesti pve mid

[sudden cargo]

idk man

I highly doubt it

I think vesti pvp performance is mostly accident

unless their goal is to heavily unbalance pvp ofc

and with all the repeating and chaining pvp bugs, they definitely don't have a pvp team testing those

[real coral]

Vesti pvp bugged?

[sudden cargo]

no

but a bunch of other units are

not like it's hard to spot either for pvp user, several healers healing twice per unit, xmaiden's proccing twice while also displaying the proc popup on the side of screen twice

moran and rh also showing popup twice

very obvious they did not do any decent pvp testing

oh and 2rl jackal teams becoming 1rl against teams with just 2-3 high feed units

it was borderline impossible to be 1rl before the bug without some sac or decoy skip

[paper stump]

I agree. I think Vesti got to PvP god stage by mistake. But they won’t nerf her now tho

I’m surprised they gave us a better Emilia

burst gen issues aside

[spring jay]

I don't think it was a mistake

It's hard to make a mistake with the decision to let her hit all 5 enemies in pvp

And then have a proc - true damage at that - on all struck Nikkes

[edgy onyx]

why vesti is bug? Doesn't look double proc for me

and I show paper meth 3 weeks ago

[paper stump]

I was more thinking of the huge drawback they gave Emilia for the power she has. And now Vesti just lol 2s shot boom everyone dead

[sudden cargo]

that's just a byproduct of high range wdym

high range in pve = high range in pvp

[spring jay]

The only way that happens as an accidental byproduct is if they don't even look at what she does in pvp after making pve adjustments

[sudden cargo]

ofc they didn't

you think they would let through a nikke that kills 3 units without bursting?

[edgy onyx]

vesgod

[sudden cargo]

they likely intended her to be just a mobbing/bossing unit, working well with trio

and didn't even give a fck about what she would do in pvp

there are times when they specifically design units seemingly with pvp in mind at least partially

siren is one

trina is another

vesti definitely doesn't seem like one

very unbalanced

[edgy onyx]

I'm sure they make her with PVP in mind instead of PVE

in bossing she's weaker than laplace

yes, late 2025 unit

[sudden cargo]

they prob tested in mobbing

[edgy onyx]

bruh, she's released for SR

[spring jay]

Easier to just ask them, maybe they will comment on pvp next developers Q&A

[sudden cargo]

the next time they comment on pvp in dev note will be the deletion of champ

they don't give a rat's ass

and if they actually made her with pvp in mind, then they're just giving up on pvp, letting such a unit through

will just wait for the next burst gen unit, one that gives 2x helmt gen

[edgy onyx]

Vesgod

to be fair she deals as much as 1 SG pre burst only

266% x4 + 22.44% x 2 + 22.44% x 2.5 x 3

vs 210% x 5 (5 SG near 4 Vesti shots)

[sudden cargo]

to 3 units

without killing herself on scar

kills basically any comp unbuffed, max 1 buff for everything

meanwhile they're on a 3 chain streak for back to back pvp bugs

I find that hard to believe

for vesti to be intentional, they would have to give pvp a good bit of thought, but then somehow be so bad at fixing bugs or even spotting them on time

[paper stump]

Or could just be making a whale bait unit for the extremely niche section of whales who actually care about PvP.

If you’re a whale why’d you even pvp idk

[edgy onyx]

[sleek haven]

vesgod + emilia = early p1-p3 pressure
someone plz try the sg style but RL kind of team lol
besti + emilia + lapT + xmaiden + RH?

[ebon hare]

U said something like that she could kill noah 2rl before burst still possible?

[edgy onyx]

she always finishes 4 shots before b2 activates

for dmg

266% x 4 x 2 =2188% (80% ele + 10% base + 10% from cube). Very modest invesment (4 mid OL ele)
213.18% x 2 = 426.36%

Together they are like 2600% ATK / 2750% ATK already

some chip dmg from other 4 will do

this assumes 0% ATK, only 20% ele line x4

[sleek haven]

true damage ignoring def included?

[edgy onyx]

only 2188% part

the 426% will be reduced a bit, 10 ~ 15%

that's why I said other 4 will help

[ebon hare]

Build ele on vesti not for pve but pvp

[paper stump]

Just gimme 200 rocks

So I can get er done

[edgy onyx]

if you have thick ass Emilia and Vesi (40% ATK)
1277% x 1.4 = 1787%
Emilia 61.3%x2.5x3x1.59x1.4 = 1023%
=> 2810% ATK > 2750%

you will probably kill or at least leave enemy defenders at extremely low hp

Attacker dies, and supporter probably dies too

if you only aim to kill attacker, 15% ~ 20% ATK is enough

[paper stump]

damn my emilia is too thin

[real coral]

My vesti sits at 15 rn that's un synced rn right?

[paper stump]

Send a screenshot so we understand

[real coral]

By the time that happens vesti has an overspec
But I have 15 ammo
Vesti shoots in burst 4
15÷4=3.9999999....
So one burst will always be 3

[paper stump]

Oh you meant ammo

[real coral]

Yes

[paper stump]

Yea it’s not multiple of 4, so it’s not synced

[icy arrow]

15% cs enough? a jp guy said 20%

[real coral]

I have like 30-40 on her

[edgy onyx]

[paper stump]

[edgy onyx]

2.5

[paper stump]

40% cs?

[icy arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[paper stump]

🫃

[edgy onyx]

[real coral]

All my first rolls on vesti
Charge speed charge damage

And now its uuh 30

[paper stump]

Ok

[real coral]

Im happy with 20% cs 4 mag 2 atk 2 em

[paper stump]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-the-neat-thing-that's-the-neat-part-invincible-gif-3109787441708074597

[real coral]

Ik it's ass my roles

[paper stump]

lol

[real coral]

Atleast 14 crystals gone all ass roles

[ebon hare]

So vest + emi + 3 could be an absolut defense? Pretty much always kills first 3 units, maybe a jackal team can somewhat survive? Or some biscuit combo?

[edgy onyx]

3 defenders?

if you put Link Link Jackal

it changes nothing

they share dmg to each other which is the same anw

[ebon hare]

I mean link dead dead jackal b3

[real coral]

How does jackal even work

[edgy onyx]

oh sure

link will survive

[ebon hare]

But pos 2 and 3 dead

[edgy onyx]

yeah

[ebon hare]

So u need to burst with rest

Sounds like a pain

To atk

[paper stump]

Bro why does Vesti feel like she’s basically uncounterable

The fuck is this

[edgy onyx]

she's countered by The Counters

[real coral]

Damage taken decrease counters it

[paper stump]

Emilia’s whole thing was that her immense icbm can be timed by Noah and whatever so she was balanced

Vesti just fuck you I win

[edgy onyx]

stun her

[real coral]

With who

[icy arrow]

she can be in spa but in CA... no idea. souns like free win to me

[edgy onyx]

stun with siren first

then Privaty

[real coral]

Permanent stun

[paper stump]

By that time the rest of my team dead

[ebon hare]

[muted river]

Siren's wind

[edgy onyx]

[real coral]

I need true damage increase buffers that are good

[edgy onyx]

I miss the part where that's my problem

[ebon hare]

Vest + emi + 3 sg?

On def

[real coral]

Why the mpreg

[edgy onyx]

urghh 3 SG will feed too much

[ebon hare]

[paper stump]

Bro

[real coral]

Vesti works best in pvp right

In pve not so goof

Good

[icy arrow]

she good for campaign

[muted river]

Specifically bossing is bad

[edgy onyx]

let's say

[real coral]

Im stuck in campaign

[edgy onyx]

Vesti can deal around 1 Helm burst

[muted river]

iirc, you lack Rapi, so Vesti should be fine for Elysion Tower

[edgy onyx]

per target

that value is insane in PVP

[real coral]

Holy fuck

[edgy onyx]

in bossing? Ha ha

[real coral]

That's high

[edgy onyx]

that's why she's invincible in PVP

[real coral]

[edgy onyx]

but in PVE she's a meme

[paper stump]

Ok so sr15 everyone and max tempura cube

[real coral]

I need helm treasure tho

[edgy onyx]

there's a reason why she's Amurica

IWTKTA

[real coral]

Vesti is good at clearing waves right

[edgy onyx]

yep

best wave clearer atm

better than even SBS or Rapi

[real coral]

I can just nut from happiness rn

[ebon hare]

U fap to vesti?

[real coral]

No not in that way...

[icy arrow]

i want to kiss that ass

[paper stump]

https://tenor.com/view/take-a-seat-chris-hansen-gif-12085242

[real coral]

I can nut from happiness bc the current campaign stage im stuck at has small enemy waves

[paper stump]

which stage are you stuck at

[real coral]

29-10A-1

[edgy onyx]

some people ask why Vesti is so strong

[real coral]

I get exterminated in there

[edgy onyx]

I guess she just imagines everyone in PVP as her school's friends

[real coral]

Who's

[paper stump]

https://tenor.com/view/pumped-up-kick-gif-21508910

[icy arrow]

and some says midhara vestimid

[paper stump]

good

let the people ignore her

can't afford playing this game if arena gets filled with vesti

shit is unbeatable

[icy arrow]

but at least vesti > treasured laplace

and gatrix cannot deny it

[paper stump]

laploss

[real coral]

Is she that bad?

[muted river]

Not for bossing

[edgy onyx]

noway lmao

Bossing Lapgod > Vestrash

[paper stump]

what'll happen when plapgod gets powercrept even in bossing by the next troo damage unit

[edgy onyx]

[icy arrow]

lapmid > vestrash

[real coral]

Fire weak boss with parts

[edgy onyx]

over my dead body

[muted river]

Parts don't matter for Vesti

Vesti's S2 ignores them

Parts make Laplace stronger

so it would be down to OL rolls

[real coral]

I meant burst

[muted river]

Vest burst damage is bad unless boss has like 20 parts

[real coral]

Hmm

Indivilia

[icy arrow]

vesti
pvp: SSS
campaign: SS
boss: S A

[muted river]

Vesti is terrible vs Indivilia

Sadly tried it

Eunhwa outdamages her

[icy arrow]

we already have so many good b2

[edgy onyx]

lower than Lapgod = B

🚮

[real coral]

So deals idk how much damage vesti burst is but it deals
For example 243% atk of true damage for the body then rest is parts so it's
243%×3

[muted river]

Emma/Eunhwa/Rapi/Rei/Siren > Emma/Eunhwa/Rapi/Vesti/Siren

[edgy onyx]

ha ha I wish

[real coral]

It doesnt

It deals the same damage to parts not x parts

[muted river]

Laplace alone deals over 1000% in her burst

[real coral]

Jesus

[edgy onyx]

let's say a boss with 3 parts + 1 body

Vesti will deal
1 instance true dmg 266%
4 instances RL dmg so 22.44% x 250% x 4

as you can see

RL dmg is so small it's hilarious

[icy arrow]

a pve-only guy in my bracket pulled vesti for SR and now he becomes pvp player bruh

[edgy onyx]

normal RL has 61.3% modifier btw

[real coral]

Im using her for pve

[icy arrow]

yeah she gud campaign

[muted river]

Yeah, but I think most people have invested enough in their Rapi that CP diff alone will make Vesti weaker

[real coral]

I don't have rapipi

[muted river]

Yeah, in your case, Vesti is actually stonks

[icy arrow]

can use vesti b1 now ig

or bench alice

https://youtu.be/Mh_h3L6819I

[muted river]

I can't even remember how long it's been since I've used Alice

[real coral]

I use alice always

Invested to much in her

[icy arrow]

i auto chap 40 with alice bruh

[real coral]

Heh

[muted river]

I auto every chapter with Smol White

[edgy onyx]

Vesti B1

[real coral]

How

[muted river]

Blue CP

[icy arrow]

rapi i mean

[muted river]

Also, Smol White is actually decent when it comes to mobbing

[real coral]

I cant even beat a 20% cp below stage

[icy arrow]

[muted river]

She's just hot garbage for bossing

[paper stump]

by being big whel

[muted river]

My Smol White is 10/10/10 and C7

[real coral]

[muted river]

But yeah, keep an eye on CP when it comes to your campaign selections

I won't endorse Vesti dupes cuz I never endorse dupes to begin with, but padding CP benefits Vesti heavily for both modes she'll be used in

[real coral]

1 vesti is enough no need for dupes considering she will be 2% standard

[muted river]

An example I mean is just, for fire weak:

[real coral]

Or boss high def with 6 billion parts

Jesus

[muted river]

Er wait

I just woke up and can't math

70k CP loss if I use Vesti over Asuka

[real coral]

I have my asuka at uuh 48k vesti 52k

[muted river]

Depending on deficit, that means Asuka might remain better for me

[icy arrow]

i mean u will reach 601 before new chapters and then the fight will be easy

[real coral]

Asuka will be better when core and shield

[muted river]

I won't reach 40 anytime soon

[real coral]

Chapter?

[muted river]

CP red again

[paper stump]

when even big whels have red cp

[muted river]

I'm not that big of a whale

[paper stump]

what chance do we plankton have

[muted river]

Sync 579 is a joke by whale standards, as I'm Day 6

I don't buy dust

[real coral]

Im at 251

[muted river]

Have people in my fourth-month-late start alt's SP Arena who are above 600

[icy arrow]

im day 4, not buying dust, 601 now and enough cd for 621+ lol

[muted river]

Exactly

I'm a slacker

[icy arrow]

enough credits for 605

[real coral]

No dust from anywhere or no money bought dust?

[muted river]

I'm raid-focused, so I ignored sync level for a very long time

Now UR Hard Mode is making me regret that

[icy arrow]

no money for resources

[muted river]

Credits are the true endgame black hole

[icy arrow]

cuz we all played the game the wrong way

[muted river]

At least battle data can be converted into it

[real coral]

Ok so free core dust only

[paper stump]

What’s the right way to play the game

[ebon hare]

with 1 hand

[real coral]

Nikke 1 hand on my mouse other on my --- ||phone with discord open ||

[grave rose]

I'm looking at Vesti banner and she's looking really cool, might not use her ever after this SR but, if she doesn't need the other two to be used, that makes her cheaper

[hazy minnow]

Vesti banner is standard banner

I'm so glad shiftup made absolute so I can put new units on elysion wishlist

[formal wigeon]

Who got vesti built chat

[sudden cargo]

define built

[formal wigeon]

A lil bit of ele a lil bit of atk

Maybe doll

[sudden cargo]

sr8, 11% atk, 31% ele

7/10/10

mlb

[formal wigeon]

Can u check her out

On SR

[sudden cargo]

temma and forehead not built tho

[formal wigeon]

If u have absolute built, use them

Otherwise just use a normal team like

Cindy Rouge Vesti Mari S.Anis/xMaiden

[sudden cargo]

oops mari died

vesti can't break the eyes is that fine

like half hp with her burst

[formal wigeon]

I'm unsure if it is fine or not

[sudden cargo]

very scuffed, ended halfway through vesti burst

[formal wigeon]

[sudden cargo]

19 ammo vesti

[formal wigeon]

No this sucks

[sudden cargo]

I'm for sure not even building the duo

hitting eyes with this comp is real difficult ngl

couldn't break any set, but real close with first set

[paper stump]

The eyes moving around like fuck doesn’t help

[muted river]

I only broke eyes on the Crown comp

Just ignored, otherwise

[static sable]

i have lb0 SR 15 85% ed 15 ammo 7/10/7 vesti if it helps

[formal wigeon]

Can you try and show how good she is

[static sable]

quick run, delaying bursts for euhwa debuff

[dense skiff]

dang cindy scored higher than her lol

[muted river]

Yeah, she's just not bossing material

At least she's able to replace 2B

[formal wigeon]

No no, wait guys

This is good

[muted river]

players who pulled 2B recently

[muted river]

What's the Eunhwa investment out of curiosity

[formal wigeon]

Do you think Emma can scale in damage with investments?

Damn so, absolute is good when built

[sudden cargo]

eww imagine building it

[sudden cargo]

what invest is forehead

[static sable]

@sudden cargo @muted river

[muted river]

So Eunhwa is indeed the better boss DPS

[static sable]

my emma is 7/10/7 for now, didn’t really notice much difference going from 7/7/7 to 7/10/7 tbh, i’ll try to max her burst next since that seems to be the real deal

[sudden cargo]

yeah.... not gonna build eunhwa that well

[spring jay]

I just rank 6'd w/o using Absolute.

I also tried Eunhwa 4/4/4 T9Ms and it was okay, but ultimately just copied somebody

[ancient yew]

Vesti not able to cleanly deal with the orbs is a letdown. I initially expected the AOE to take care of them easily.

[spring jay]

The Absolute Duo is also a letdown even when it's not Trio

[polar crown]

if they made her charge time 1 second instead of 2 she’d actually be good

[spring jay]

Though if you have a team that is struggling on destroying the eyes, TU Eunhwa can do it so you're in a position to ask if you might as well bring the Absolute Duo or Trio with her

[ancient yew]

Pvp gonna be a menace

[spring jay]

I was breaking them using 4/4/4 T9Ms TU Eunhwa sniper shots and some assistance from team support fire. I imagine that TU Eunhwa OL'd with 7s or 10s can do it easily

[ancient yew]

Yeah eunhwa nuke can os it lol

[polar crown]

she already is,1 second wouldnt really matter

[ancient yew]

They should make vesti aoe attacks just hit the orbs easily

[polar crown]

???

[ancient yew]

Her burst cannot kill the orbs as well

[formal wigeon]

Bro going for #1

[ancient yew]

Nah just lucky on rolls

[formal wigeon]

A bit too lucky

[ancient yew]

The ammo was the worst rock sink

[formal wigeon]

[ancient yew]

Does ammo round up?

[polar crown]

how the fuck are these levels of ele on multiple unirs possible

[ancient yew]

I got 104% ammo and got +9

[formal wigeon]

It rounds

Not up or down

[polar crown]

cause these are new units so ik previous ones have to be ridiculous

[formal wigeon]

So 3.6 is 4 and 3.3 is 3

[ancient yew]

Somehow i got +9 from 104% ammo

Had to reroll again

[formal wigeon]

This isn't accurate

SU doesn't know how their game works

[ancient yew]

[polar crown]

that is rounding up and down tho

it just rounds per gear

not overall

[formal wigeon]

yeah but it doesnt always round down like it does to core dust/hour

and neither does it always round up like it does to charge speed i think

[sudden cargo]

???

charge speed rounds normally

so does core dust

[formal wigeon]

does it?

[sudden cargo]

wait no nvm core dust rounds down

[formal wigeon]

i thought 105.9 cd/hr on 1 hr box givees 105

may not be cs actually

i forgot what always rounds up

[formal wigeon]

#1380852295247466563 message

yeaeh

i think cs rounds up

cuz of some frames thing

[sudden cargo]

cs for 1 sec charge rounds normally

for others it gets a bit weird

[edgy onyx]

can your Eunhwa oneshot 4 eyes?

[sudden cargo]

woah don't insult her like that

[edgy onyx]

Can Eunhwa oneshot

[ancient yew]

Yes

[edgy onyx]

what's your Eunhwa stat?

[ancient yew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402623592188870806/1408599295074242713/Screenshot_20250823_084744_Chrome.jpg?ex=68aa53d2&is=68a90252&hm=977188764c61751b84c7360a07a90019bf406e00ce1c5792257fde29bcdfd9cf&

[edgy onyx]

I see

I feel like 50% ele is enough

but burst needs to be high

[chrome pivot]

Char stats is normal round, there are 0 thing that are round up as default

[zealous pagoda]

guh

[icy arrow]

The tax u spend when buying packs

[icy arrow]

The blablalink site is likely not handled by Shift Up but from Tencent devs.
It is reasonable for anyone to fail to know how the game (SU) works heh

[swift magnet]

hopefully this is the right place to ask.
for someone who doesn't have many elysion b3's (not even RRH ) for elysion tower. is the new vesti worth the pulls?

her design also looks pretty nice so would be cool to have her. but i don't want to toss gems at a complete skip if shes really that bad (as it sounds like)

[spring jay]

She’ll melt mobs, but not bosses. Against a boss, she’ll be a quarter or a third of what RapiOs can do

And, melting mobs isn’t exclusive to Vesti. Others can melt them, too

You’ll also eventually get stuck on a boss if you focus overly on clearing mobs

The use of her makes the most sense if you’re a competitive pvper

In that case, you might as well make her strong and she’ll be useful in tower until you replace her

Rn Vesti counters almost all lineups in Challenger Arena, depending on the team she’s in

So ShiftUp would have to release 3 different units that overthrows Vesti’s new domination of pvp meta

To make your tower + competitive pvp combo choice a bad choice

If you don’t care for pvp, you probably should skip and leave her to wishlist

[ancient yew]

Reverse bready please

[zealous pagoda]

make her even fatter

[real coral]

🔥

[hazy minnow]

Broouuuh

[real coral]

Ok so you can hold the charge burst without it shooting

[north herald]

pulling only vesti for pvp?

[plucky trench]

@formal wigeon I think Eunhwa is the true DPS

We invested in the wrong one

[real coral]

Ok so vesti useless?

[plucky trench]

she's not useless

but Vesti burst < Eunhwa burst

[real coral]

Eunwha beats her?

[real coral]

And normal atk?

[plucky trench]

I didn't check on normal atk

if both have same value of lines ( ele ), Eunhwa should deal more on breaking parts

My Vesti burst

[real coral]

Idk how much my deals

[plucky trench]

My Eunhwa bursts

C5 vs MLB

so if my Eunhwa has same or lower ele just a little bit, she would deal higher burst dmg compare to Vesti

[real coral]

Ok so eunwha is beter then vesti? Even without emma?

[plucky trench]

Eunhwa needs Emma

[real coral]

I don't have her

I thought eunwha could work without emma but just terrible

[spring jay]

I just remembered that Eunhwa’s burst shot also hits parts

[plucky trench]

yeah her burst is AoE

[real coral]

Who

[plucky trench]

Eunhwa

[real coral]

Heh

She does

I thought it was like red hood just 1 bullet dealing damage

[clever hearth]

redhood also has some aoe to her burst

it's not pinpoint like alice

[real coral]

That's what I thought

[zealous pagoda]

Eunhwa does more in an absolute team

but Vesti can play with Crown

[sudden cargo]

When playing eunhwa do you have to delay b3

[placid garnet]

not if you dont full charge her

[lyric steeple]

is there a break point for aoe range in pvp on her burst skill?

[ebon hare]

in burst she hit all 5

Oh wait u asking for breakpoint

Iirc meth head said lvl 8 burst

To hit all 5

Lazy guy pinned troll comment

@lyric steeple

[lyric steeple]

thanks!

[sudden cargo]

7 is enough

Gatrix tests weren't accurate enough, 7 is enough for range

[devout badger]

so what's teh scoop on vesti

one copy?

[ancient yew]

1 is enough

[devout badger]

Okay, sounds like she’s just for PvP right

[muted river]

Can be used for campaign/towers, too

[alpine ether]

This is decent though for Ziz.

Well only for Ziz.

[toxic dust]

Vesti can one-shot the orbs with her burst...
if you use her with Trina

[real coral]

[toxic dust]

but you have few reason to pick Trina for Ziz
that's the problem

[real coral]

Who

[spring jay]

Just one shot the orbs with super carry Eunhwa burst

[real coral]

That being super eunwha?

[spring jay]

Yeah. Though I’m kinda joking. I’m not sure if she can destroy the orbs in one shot. However, it is possible to kill all four orbs using Eunhwa’s shots during 10s, if she’s built enough, so it should at least be effective to AoE nuke them then cleanup

[real coral]

How does eunwha burst even work?

[spring jay]

She has to fire a shot after she bursts. That’s the AoE burst nuke. The enemy that got shot and all other enemies caught in the AoE will be debuffed to take more dmg

I forget if she has to full charge it or not, that’s probably the confusion if you’re manualing her and try to burst.. because if you don’t release the shot, she doesn’t use it. Even if your B3 bursts

[real coral]

So she's like snow white burst?

[spring jay]

Yep

[real coral]

I thought it was 0.3 sec charge for duration

[spring jay]

Nice, so it’s fast

[real coral]

Ok so she's like snow white and maxwell

[spring jay]

I think you can skip even that 0.3s if you precharge

B1 (Emma?) burst -> B2 (Eunhwa) burst -> Release shot -> B3 (???) burst

Dead Ziz eyes or at least damaged ones

Then uh.. have fun doing full charge sniper shots on the Ziz eyes as they bob and weave…

[real coral]

Ok but she doesn't have 0.3 charge for like duration

[spring jay]

No, she does that for one shot to apply the AoE debuff for increased dmg taken

[real coral]

Ok now i get it

[spring jay]

And it explodes at triple damage, and the whole thing (the shot and the AoE explosion) is true damage

[spring jay]

Apparently, it's possible to AoE shoot them with Eunhwa burst, then cleanup with Vesti AoE burst. Both of them have to be built

And when they respawn more tough than before, just kill them all in two or three full bursts

[idle minnow]

eunhwa and vesti breaks the orbs for me

without taking any of the aoes

and my eunhwa has 0 ele my vesti is like 2 ammo 50 ele

[lament zephyr]

Why is vesti so good in PvP? Can’t find info in pins and idk where to scroll to

[unique oriole]

the pin gives you a hint

[lament zephyr]

I have no idea what that means

[unique oriole]

technically this thread somewhat became of a PVP thread but sadly there's nooo quick guide or anything just like in some other thread

[edgy onyx]

if you are into pvp

dig 2000 mess

[spring jay]

Quick guide to what? To building Vesti?

I think it's because those sort of guides moved to prydwen

So check there for any investment tips or reviews, if they finished one

[zealous pagoda]

[edgy onyx]

i finish

for I am

finnish

[spring jay]

For skills priority, it's looking like 7/10/7 (Gatrix just said it's 4/10/7) if you want to be safe. Safe as in, you can't be accused of having wasted mats.

[edgy onyx]

4/10/7

[spring jay]

Cheaper is lower than that, up to you

And OLs look like standard Ele, Atk, Ammo, but if you want less ammo you can replace ammo with charge speed

I know Gatrix likes 120% ammo or something, where he has 18 base ammo and with bastion it's enough ammo for his beloved Vesti to destroy all his SPA enemies that dare to take his gems

[edgy onyx]

actually I have new strat now

only requires 8 ammo

[spring jay]

Then that's Ele, Atk, ChSpd pvp build?

[edgy onyx]

as high ATK as you can, the rest is whatever

[spring jay]

Atk, CrRate, CrDmg for "Trip to Heaven" pvp Vesti build

[edgy onyx]

assuming 40% ATK OL

Vesti will deal 2 streams of damage

True dmg: 266% x 1.4 x 1.6 x 4 =2383.6%
Normal damage: 22.44% x 1.4 x 2.5 x 4 = 314.6%

will probably kill 1 or 2 Nikke before B2 kicks in

[paper stump]

Vesti Maiden heaven

https://tenor.com/view/jo-jos-jojos-bizarre-adventure-stone-ocean-enrico-pucci-gif-27207918

[edgy onyx]

Ves god

[unique oriole]

I also go to snake’s pin for some quick guides on each nikke thread

[ebon hare]

Just ping snake and ask

[spring jay]

Vesti broke Solo Raid

https://tenor.com/view/boom-bomb-explosion-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-9191048729158374438

[idle minnow]

was it vesti or was it eunhwa tho

[paper stump]

It’s rapipi as usual

Nikke of the year 2025

[fossil stag]

Both of them

[latent blaze]

How impactful would Alice's 11.67% CS buff be to Vesti in pvp?

[paper stump]

Alice in PvP?

[latent blaze]

🤔

[paper stump]

Oh dropping everything into one team

Cs on vesti doesn’t do much tbh

Atk is priority

[idle minnow]

not very

its less than 11.67

[latent blaze]

Then is the 15% (or was it 20%?) CS breakpoint not worth the investment?

[idle minnow]

it depends what youre trying to do with her

[idle minnow]

for example here, it basically doesnt do much

[latent blaze]

What function does it serve then? Does it need 3RL?

[idle minnow]

it makes ur first few shots faster

and can make it so blanc's indom war 50/50 is more consistent

[dense skiff]

Do I really need that 40% attack for indom vesti? I landed a 15% cs 40% ele and 64% ammo 10% attack for the first few rolls (trying to roll another max ammo now)

[edgy onyx]

no

indom vesti only needs +10 ammo and whatever

you will win and lose by RNG (blanc stall against her)

40% ATK vesti is sniping strat

you snipe 3 Nikkes before B2

[sudden cargo]

who says indom vesti can't do this too

[edgy onyx]

^

[dense skiff]

sounds about right, sniping strat is kinda unreliable

[edgy onyx]

it will become reliable when you throw another 40% ATK Emilia

[devout badger]

What is the vesti team and why does it work?

I’m still not understanding how or why she’s a PvP monster

[toxic dust]

OP damage and Range

[fiery mango]

Just read prydwen guide, it said vesti needed 16 ammo optimal for pve

How would 20 ammo + 10% CS compare to what they said?

resilience cube

i try shooting range and most shots still happen in full burst

[edgy onyx]

better

[idle minnow]

40 atk vesti Emi laplace a2, don't even burst

Or put rh

[edgy onyx]

or put Emma + Eunhwa

[alpine ether]

If u use Crown yes

Or ur TTR/TTC is high

2.8 * 5 = 14 thats how long TVesti needs to dump her mag

Her reload with Resi is around 1.6-1.8s im lazy to calculate

With Crown this is cut by around 1s

With MastM its cut even more

Technically if you use Crown + MastM or MastM + AnchorM, 20 is better

The 16 ammo assumes 0 chspd & 0 rld spd buffer

Probably I shud be more clear next time

I will update her guide when I have time

If shes mostly used with Maids (Elysion Tower), Crown (Campaign), and need a lot of ammo for PvP, 20 makes more sense.

I will keep 16 minimum and 20 as optimal by usage.

[ocean verge]

anyone clear 40h with vesti?

[gilded surge]

Somehow I got a max CS roll on Vesti, what are the pvp stat goals?
Got 3 Elem and 3 CS=11.82%

[edgy onyx]

first check point is 10%

[gilded surge]

Sorry, had to edit that in

[toxic dust]

for PVP ATKx4, Ammox2+, CSx3+, the rest should be Ele
I may be wrong

[slate plinth]

Ffs my vesti has 15+ ammo

[edgy onyx]

11 here

[uncut pagoda]

Is 19 ammo a brick?

[dense skiff]

bricked, uninstall game

[zealous pagoda]

Did anyone actually use Vesti this raid

I only used Eunhwa

[muted river]

Emma and Vesti have above 40% usage in top 50, with Eunhwa at around 55% currently

None of TU is mandatory for good scores

And even top 50 are barely messing with dupes

[zealous pagoda]

Eunhwa is pretty good for shooting the balls

Even though I only got one ele roll

[spring jay]

The season of Besti Vesti is soon coming to an end

[zealous pagoda]

has anyone tried trio on indivilia?

[muted river]

Bad

[zealous pagoda]

but mihara gets cucked by defense if she's not maxed and vesti lets you turn brain off and focus core while the parts break

with just rapi you sometimes have to aim

[muted river]

Arms should break naturally while shooting core even without Vesti

And even shooting core, Vesti deals no damage

[zealous pagoda]

yeah but troo damage

does emma heal more than maid anchor?

[muted river]

I think the healing itself is more, but the temp HP makes Anchor superior

[paper stump]

Troo dmg is the troo scam

[grave rose]

Has that season ever started, when her team has the worst damage in the raid made for them

Or worst top damage I guess

I don't even know if Vesti outdamages Cindy in this team

[muted river]

She doesn't, pretty sure

She didn't for me, at least

[grave rose]

I wonder how much ele atk the Absolutes even need to have to merit being used over full Cindy team

[muted river]

Depends on how much ATK your full Cindy team has

With very little investment, Tactical Up beat full Cindy comp no problem on my alts

[idle minnow]

^

beating full cindy isnt hard

but getting top dmg is kinda hard

esp since eunhwa gets to hit so many parts

[uncut pagoda]

Pretty easily if your Cindy team can't break the parts

[spring jay]

Niche problem, but I think Hidden Powder legacy buff from Simulation Room doesn’t work right on TU Vesti

It also doesn’t work on Alice during her Full Burst when at 100%+ total charge speed

So contrary to intuition, that legacy buff is maybe not so good for the units that should’ve really loved having it

[spring jay]

Downgraded from A bossing to B bossing?

[edgy onyx]

always B from the start

using her in 40% deficit last night

Rapi + Vesti = nothing on the map

[ocean verge]

[sudden cargo]

not sure what you were expecting, we saw her SR performance

[edgy onyx]

Eunhwa time

to be fair those eyes are so tanky even Laplace full burst can't kill one

that's 8000% ATK

probably 12k% ATK as HP, which is 6000% ATK with 80% ele Eunhwa

which again, impossible

[zealous pagoda]

They're just for farming damage points

But even with that she's still mid

Loli debuff is too strong

[alpine scroll]

lucky for us, the pierce laser afterward is not insta wipe

otherwise, gonna stuck here for a long time like MC

[paper stump]

stuck on 32 hard for 3 months, fun times

4th month running

[unique oriole]

welp i was convinced to get one for pvp 40 pulls

[unique oriole]

eyyyyy

they updated her

now thats i worthy mlb

[edgy onyx]

yes

she's insane in high deficit

[spring jay]

Besti Vesti, the explosion queen

https://tenor.com/view/konosuba-gif-25101707

[paper stump]

Core max your vesgod yet

[edgy onyx]

1 copy

still waiting for next patch

I have 167 normal pull

and a wish list

[clever hearth]

160 pulls for 1 copy

what a fucking scam

[paper stump]

I used 50 standards to try to get Emma and Eunwha, since I already got besti, no ssr

[edgy onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTqukEnxPAE

Godsolute

[spring jay]

0LB, 0CDR, 0Height, 69Explosion

[spring jay]

Circling wide around that

Focus on the explosions

[sudden cargo]

her appearance in xmaiden story was the hint all along

[spring jay]

@edgy onyx Long live the Snowgod?
Vesgod dead?

[edgy onyx]

noway

[spring jay]

Is it possible to double up on them?

[edgy onyx]

on 35+% deficit, Vesgod great again

doable

you run Rapi B1 then

[golden ruin]

@gatru

@edgy onyx dream come true

[spring jay]

Maybe they’ll fix the slightly strange outfit tuVesti has with this By totally replacing it

[zealous pagoda]

swimsuit vesti or riot

[thin pivot]

mygad vesti

[zealous pagoda]

vesti ASS

nooo i don't want to give money to the chinese government

[thin pivot]

it seems school has mandatory underboob

sasuga mmr

[golden ruin]

and mandatory pantsu

[golden ruin]

tits and pantsu

[paper stump]

Pay $20 to remove her cap

[raven ember]

And change her panstu from black to white

[paper stump]

[hallow wing]

https://tenor.com/view/cheems-doggo-doggo-meme-cheems-meme-doggo-thank-gif-23911109

[crimson gale]

is vesti still in the best hard campaign team?

[idle minnow]

best aoe (multiple mobs not parts)

[spring jay]

With the way things are going, she’ll probably be best forever unless ShiftUp lets the Raptures deploy a counter

Even then, the counter has to be substantial and across multiple stages, otherwise the malders will just figure out how to beat that one counter stage and then continue as usual

[idle minnow]

its really easy

release a really tanky hp wise elite

that wipes u if u dont kill it

or that turns raptures u kill while its alive aoe into bombers

bye vesti

[spring jay]

When killing enemy Rapture, it AoE nukes back with piercing. At high deficit, is guaranteed wipe (even with Moran damage reduction and dolls)

But I think it'd anger a lot of players since it's so blatant

[idle minnow]

everything they make angers us

volleyball, breaking wheel, the new farter thing

anger player = harder mob

[edgy onyx]

it's called Razor blade or something

reflect dmg

[waxen marlin]

dont we already have a damage reflect mob

i keep seeing them in hardmode

[clever hearth]

it’s called hedgehog yes

[golden ruin]

They give us
Free Auto Tower climb option

and then gives Hedgehog reflecter mob

[edgy onyx]

yes and killing them without heavy pin down DPS is a problem

I expect, cuz I auto tower at 35% deficit

[crimson gale]

So she's decent upgrade over Rapi/Snow white alt?

[zealous pagoda]

they don't even do the same thing

[crimson gale]

Wait so they aren't also some of the best b3 in hard campaign

[alpine ether]

None. We just need a mob that negates all skill dmg.

Basic attacks only.

No seq, no distr, no additional dmg.

Gluttony but as mobs.

[zealous pagoda]

Unzips crown + chime

[alpine ether]

[zealous pagoda]

vesti underboob

uoghhhh

i like the default outfit a lot too tho

ugh

sex overdose

[coarse night]

[paper stump]

Default definitely more sex, but new skin has a great chibi

Too bad that chibis have no use in the game

[golden ruin]

The reload animation is just her flashing her pantsu

[idle minnow]

thats how u get reloaded

[zealous pagoda]

bruh

why can't vesti oneshot cc rocks

true dmg my ass

[spring jay]

True ass

[zealous pagoda]

i am beginning to morb

[golden ruin]

I find vesti to be underwhelming

no part

no def to pierce

better use someone else

like

Liber

[zealous pagoda]

i already used liber

[idle minnow]

even with part and def to pierce

[zealous pagoda]

[idle minnow]

she will still lose

[zealous pagoda]

vesti stinks

😭

[idle minnow]

wooo part, 2x of 5% of my dmg

such value!

[zealous pagoda]

this team barely beat maids + lib sb

and only thanks to sw

vesti no attack buff ig

well liter is there

so she just sucks

[idle minnow]

what if u jsut ran

blanc

for ur sw

[zealous pagoda]

but grave pierce buff

also i'm addicted to liter grave instant burst

burst ready with liter on 7s cooldown is pretty funny

[idle minnow]

sw already gens

[zealous pagoda]

changes to what

[idle minnow]

blanc buffs her pierce and her missiles

[zealous pagoda]

other bunny doko

[idle minnow]

noir

[zealous pagoda]

i need mod to break rock

this team has negative bullet

[idle minnow]

noir burst

[zealous pagoda]

that's 1 hit

[idle minnow]

wym thats 1 hit

u still have a mod

[zealous pagoda]

honestly that would probably be a damage buff

kill vesti for noir