[Vesti: Tactical Upgrade] New Unit Megathread

[signal torrent]

having constant screenwipes is really good in pvp

[idle minnow]

doing 5x dmg is really good

[dense skiff]

so what does she exactly do in pvp?

[idle minnow]

she shoots 5 targets per shot with her burst

and kills them

[dense skiff]

you mean she shoot someone 5 times for everyone or she shoots all 5 enemies per 1 shot?

[idle minnow]

she shoots all 5 enemies per shot

[signal torrent]

i'm pulling this

[idle minnow]

so u get 5x s2 procs(one per target)

per bullet

its simple as that right

[signal torrent]

and i got nothing for 50 pulls nvm i'm skipping this

[lofty dune]

Very embarrassing, weakest dps I've ever seen tbh

[idle minnow]

@edgy onyx https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1402587830709915668/1407822935368138843/image.png?ex=68a780c7&is=68a62f47&hm=176be577bf985fa5dae5641d3831280ddceff3457519c174cd806253f6f1ae95&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=447&height=968

1 proc?

@formal wigeon @alpine ether DOA?

[floral dawn]

Shes still the most powerful Absolute B3 i think

[idle minnow]

true

[idle minnow]

is she most powerful b3 fire rl? competition is tough between her and A2

and power

[agile stag]

So she's only worth in pvp? Wishlist

[signal torrent]

the real worth for pvp will be in the championships

she doesn't provide utility for the mode

a good b3 option but also just a b3 option

[lofty dune]

Bro she's mid af 💀 😭

[dense skiff]

rough testing in pvp seems to be that she is dealing ~2x damage compared to sbs damage when all 5 enemy team is still standing

[formal wigeon]

Doa

[formal wigeon]

You can't use her on

Shooting range man

She isn't that type of unit

Try using her on

• campaign
• PvP
• boss with 4 parts

[toxic dust]

Vesti is the most finger friendly RL though
she can only do full charge attack

[wintry saddle]

Even for anomaly she seems kinda good

because she ignores indi defense

[lofty dune]

Boss fire Weaknes with parts... Hmmm Interceptions Indivilia?

[formal wigeon]

We have SR today no?

Or tomorrow

[wintry saddle]

Try Emma eunhwa vesti rapipi siren

indivilia

[dense skiff]

whats her burst gen? cinderella level?

[placid garnet]

is her charge time 2 seconds it feels longer

idk if bug

[lofty dune]

I don't know your UTC, but SR opens in 9 hours

[formal wigeon]

Yeah today

Just sync lvl1 all your units and go in

[sleek peak]

So Vesti is pretty buns I assume?

[toxic dust]

She shoots four shots per full charge

[dense skiff]

3 shots

[floral dawn]

Vesti is actually the strongest unit in the game if the boss has 99 quadrillion DEF

[toxic dust]

4 including the 1st one

[dense skiff]

oh yea, why did I hallucinate 3

[formal wigeon]

Try her out here and

Come back pls

Thanks guys

[signal torrent]

we have a pvp test up above

and it shows that she instant kills a party after noah burst runs out

that's quite good

[hard bolt]

I hope emptied my crystal worth it

[signal torrent]

when you win the championships it will be worth it

[dense skiff]

testing should be done on the moran nero stall team

[signal torrent]

true if it can beat that then perhaps blanc+vesti is the best team if you can make it 2rl

[muted river]

Those rolls aren't good tho

[signal torrent]

rookie defense idea

pack it with charge speed so siren can't stun blanc

[dense skiff]

battle formation and explosive round status are from eunhwa and emma rite?

[zealous pagoda]

Collab so ass I'll probably skip it even if it's obviously going to be a meta unit

Safe to pull vesti

[dark inlet]

a collab right before Anni

lol

[zealous pagoda]

I hope it's another rezero episode

I'm sick of collabs being meta

[thin pivot]

rezero is pvp meta tho

[zealous pagoda]

Except Mari because she's my wife

[zealous pagoda]

I haven't touched PvP in months

[signal torrent]

no wonder you can't afford to pull

that's where the gems come from

[zealous pagoda]

I'm still in diamond something

I get paid for doing nothing

[signal torrent]

oof

[formal wigeon]

So who's gonna try her out in campaign now

[ocean verge]

add new chapter first pls

[formal wigeon]

Wb Tower

[ocean verge]

same

[idle minnow]

cindy

[formal wigeon]

Seems doa tbh for bossing

[idle minnow]

how much was vesti with 1 proc?

[formal wigeon]

Like +200% true damage

But if it doesn't scale on parts

It's joever

[idle minnow]

as in dps

comparison

[formal wigeon]

Laplace

[idle minnow]

[idle minnow]

so i guess it wasnt emilia 2.0

more like emilia 0.5

[formal wigeon]

Fire Laplace like literally

[zealous pagoda]

PvP is easy

[ocean verge]

indi, this is worse than asuka...

[formal wigeon]

Ofcourse it's worse than asuka

[idle minnow]

asuka buffs ur rapi

[formal wigeon]

Asuka is fkn meta bru

[idle minnow]

does she do similar damage to asuka bursting?

if u replace 1:1

[ocean verge]

not right now, my asuka 4e 4a already

[crimson gale]

I got eunwha and Emma for very little cost.. not gonna push my luck for such a mid dps unit

[zealous pagoda]

I only pulled her because cunny

Now I'm coping for Anni to save her

[muted river]

inb4 anni only saves Emma/Eunhwa

[zealous pagoda]

Fire true damage could be okay as a filler team in fire sr

[zealous pagoda]

Loli debuff goes hard so probably

True damage CDR N3 pilgrim will be different element

[solar sigil]

We lost Vesti base Treasure for this

[paper stump]

I got her in 1st 10 pull, so she’s shit. Thems the rules

[ocean verge]

oh right, my alt still not clear campaign yet, give me full comp

[zealous pagoda]

We just got 2 fire DPS pilgrims

[muted river]

2?

[formal wigeon]

Wdym comp, just slot her in

[crimson gale]

I thought i might get some value from them on electric with ein.. idk tho.. I needed some gold tickets before ani anyway

[formal wigeon]

Like

[zealous pagoda]

Mihara and rapi

[formal wigeon]

RRH crown vesti Rh helm

?

[muted river]

Neither are Pilgrim

[zealous pagoda]

Can Laplace reach all the ziz balls?

[muted river]

[ocean verge]

oh, you mean dont care about her teamate huh

[zealous pagoda]

Oh yeah why are they 1% then

[muted river]

Overspec

[formal wigeon]

You can run like
Siren over RRH ig

[idle minnow]

i dont think so

i can tell u her laser definately cant

if that helps

[zealous pagoda]

There's not enough true damage DPS to run Vesti with her team

What are you doing playing hypercarry vesti

[ocean verge]

but c40 is water weak, she not carry shit

[dense skiff]

ziz is fire weak tho

[zealous pagoda]

what are you gonna run as second dps and cdr with absolute on ziz

well rapi siren obviously but the point is that they don't benefit from absolute

[paper stump]

So I only have vesti but not the rest of absolute. How cucked am I

[daring turret]

So easily skip absolute right?

[paper stump]

[zealous pagoda]

why

[paper stump]

PvP slave

[real coral]

Who do I use with vesti no Emma or rapipi

[ebon hare]

bought gatr*x's stonks?

[muted river]

[zealous pagoda]

wtf is up with all these people pulling vesti with no absolute

so this is the power... of bdsm cunny...

[paper stump]

Yes

All meth’d up

https://tenor.com/view/turn-up-gif-9256479

[dense skiff]

honestly need more data on pvp

[ebon hare]

coz of gatr*x

[real coral]

I need a team idgaf who it is

[real coral]

Yes

[zealous pagoda]

well just run her as filler fire dps with any team

[real coral]

Ok so uuh flora will be added

[idle minnow]

therse not much more to see tbh, shes a burster that does consistent dmg with 5 splash

her burst gen is kinda meh until around 3rd rl

[ebon hare]

better add crust

[dense skiff]

the team given above has all them buffers (blanc, rh, them)

[real coral]

Don't let me cook

[real coral]

Flora and crust?

[ebon hare]

then u have 2 lolis

[dense skiff]

need to see the damage when there's fewer buffers

[idle minnow]

just compare the conversions to sbs bursting

[zealous pagoda]

add bready with crust

[idle minnow]

im pretty sure gatrix already has a set above somewhere

if sbs bursting with blanc kills team (which we know it does)

and vesti does more than sbs because 5 target splash

then vesti will kill team with blanc

[real coral]

Ok so bready vesti crust flora uuuh idk B1

[paper stump]

Brother

[ebon hare]

tf we cooking

[paper stump]

Why

https://tenor.com/view/baby-seal-sad-cry-meme-seal-gif-19608082

in pve probs yea

in PvP she’s demon queen

[dense skiff]

Need to see if vesti can blast away moran nero team with blanc only (also with thelm)

cmon peeps gib video proof

[zealous pagoda]

hell yeah

[zealous pagoda]

add rapi as b1 and it's a good team

because it has rapi

[real coral]

Don't have her

[zealous pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/maki-blue-archive-cat-throwing-a-brick-meme-gif-9930019303001355130

[real coral]

I will be using the most cursed ass teams for this solo raid

[muted river]

No Rapi? Time to invest in Trony

[zealous pagoda]

if you c7 trony and play her properly she's an okay fire dps for sr i guess

[muted river]

But honestly, if you're missing Rapi and Emma, just roll on Emma and hope you get Rapi first

Gonna want Emma if you're coping with Vesti

[paper stump]

Does vesti even have use besides arena

[muted river]

This SR when boss has +750% DEF

[crimson gale]

Trony is a fire dps? Had no idea.. I try to ignore that ugly little goblin

[muted river]

Yeah, she's like 2B-tier for 5x the effort/investment, so pointless for anyone who has NGE units and all of the usual meta units

[paper stump]

I mean besides the obvious selling raid

[agile stag]

Want one of mine, little bro?

[zealous pagoda]

uhhh maybe indivilia?

[agile stag]

[whole wharf]

delete teh gem

[sudden cargo]

Pre burst dmg is peanuts

[idle minnow]

preburst is basically a sg but at her fire rate

so when sg does 5 hits she does 3 but for 3 targets

[paper stump]

Pee is stored in the balls

[formal wigeon]

Eunhwa is alright tbh

I think

[paper stump]

Not sora tier

[spring jay]

Absolute Eunhwa

[formal wigeon]

ExiaT tier

[zealous pagoda]

Do not

[ebon hare]

🚮

[slate plinth]

So trash

?

Guess this was a sign

[spring jay]

54k power lower than RapiOs, only 67% ele, only 10.4% atk, vs fully invested 10/10/10 better OLs RapiOs (I’m guessing here). That RapiOs did triple dmg of TU Vesti It’s difficult for me to draw a conclusion of any kind from this

[quiet sundial]

Is CS good on Vesti?

[spring jay]

Especially if you tested vs Indivilia. The way DEF on enemies work, if your ATK is substantially superior, you will deal massively more dmg compared to those that don’t. So it skews things even harder toward the better invested RapiOs

[signal torrent]

not really

it doesn't hurt though

[quiet sundial]

Just got a 4.92 and was trying to figure out if I should re-roll it. Thanks

[ocean verge]

why you even compare her dmg with rapi, just look at her dmg alone with bis buffer for her

[spring jay]

Why not? What’s wrong with comparing her dmg with RapiOs. It’s right there, and both are receiving the same buffs

[ocean verge]

rapi in that team just to reach high phase fsater for more def from boss

[spring jay]

So RapiOs stole all the easy dmg hits from TU Vesti, until she couldn’t dmg well, and kept on trucking? That’s what it sounds like. Either way, we want more data as usual, need more people to sacrifice their future to max TU Vesti

@plucky trench be our hero

[zealous pagoda]

Is absolute even vestis bis buffers?

Like 70% true damage is all but attack doko

[ocean verge]

atleast they better than grave

[zealous pagoda]

You just get 20% from Vesti and Emma's mediocre attack share

[ocean verge]

they are worse than crown + healer combo though

[zealous pagoda]

It's like with mihara

Cool numbers and all but you don't do shit without attack

[spring jay]

Eunhwa has pure true dmg shots during full burst, and TU Vesti has true dmg procs… but I wonder how big a portion of their dmg is the non-true dmg, assuming enemy had 0 def

Should be small for TU Eunhwa, but I’m wondering about TU Vesti

[unique oriole]

Hiii guys

[azure briar]

whats the verdict? seen some very sad pictures

theres no way a trio can be this bad right?

[unique oriole]

i wanna ask the million dollar question

[formal wigeon]

Pull for pvp

[unique oriole]

thank youuuuu ekans

save for resident evil i seeee

[alpine ether]

She is pve mobber and pvp queen

Bossing is VERY restrictive

[edgy onyx]

trash unit

[alpine ether]

Need fire weak and/or high DEF

[edgy onyx]

🚮

God-emperor PVP

🧎‍♂️

[alpine ether]

There arent PvE tests yet so

I mean mobbing

[edgy onyx]

I mean

why

[alpine ether]

On mobs also 1 proc?

[idle minnow]

Each mob 1 proc

Regardless of part

[unique oriole]

jackal most prolly

[idle minnow]

So 5 mob 5 proc, 1 mob 5 part 1 proc

[unique oriole]

which one u prefer, trash pve / solo / ur BUT queen on pvp or the other way around

[edgy onyx]

PVP of course, I have no PVE content left that needs her

[unique oriole]

there hasnt been a character that is queen for both no?

[formal wigeon]

Scarlet

Goat once

[slate thistle]

Treasure Helm ?

[unique oriole]

ahhh yeah helmT

[spring jay]

Cindy

[unique oriole]

ohhh yeahhh her tooo

rapipi is meh on pvp right?

[spring jay]

There are plenty that’s great in both PvE and PvP, but not as much as PvP-niche-only and PvE-niche-only

[edgy onyx]

lmao

the moment Noah shield gone = wipe under 1s

[spring jay]

Like Blanc gets used in PvP but still is around for use in PvE on Tove team if heals are needed, and for newer commanders with fewer units

[edgy onyx]

Vesgod

[spring jay]

And rn SG team uses at least 2 or 3 raid units BSoda, Drake, and Noir

[unique oriole]

so she is an SSSSS tier on pvp?

[spring jay]

Yeah because unlike BScarlet, she has no nemesis counter

BScarlet you can shut down the dmg, Vesti.. you can’t

You’re forced to win by overpowering Vesti’s comp rather than countering Vesti

Like stun her Blanc or something

Tbh maybe we can try p1 Rapunzel and praying she stuns the whole Vesti team and lets your team wipe it

[muted river]

Can Vesti slack on any skills for PvP or are we talking 10/10/10?

[spring jay]

Or you can try Soda RNG gamble

[edgy onyx]

4/7/7

this is the optimal way to go with her

4/10/7 is better of course

[muted river]

Aside from CP padding

[edgy onyx]

8 burst, not 7

[spring jay]

There’s also still “slower indom wins” if you can pull it off

[edgy onyx]

well technically, skill vs part works like this on previous Nikkes

[idle minnow]

even thats not consistent cuz of the 2 we have (a2/emi) one worked like this and the other didnt

this one hits per part right?

[alpine ether]

How many does she shoot within 10s?

Whats her actual basic attack sequence duration?

@idle minnow

[idle minnow]

shes 1/3 of a second per shot like rh/cindy no?

excluding the initial charge

no extra delays for going back into cover except reload

[edgy onyx]

in my vid, she took 21~22 frames (60fps) to shoot

longer than 20 frames (0.33s)

[idle minnow]

i missed the 6 ss

heres 4

[edgy onyx]

ziz screenshot

S2 doesn't even apply on part

[idle minnow]

so those orbs

r special

theyre actually mobs

i guess thats why they were able to change the defense?

without affecting body

[clever hearth]

so vesti doa for ziz?

[edgy onyx]

no, the dmg is body splashed (wing)

S2 dmg is on center

[idle minnow]

so they made it even more gimick

specifically zizz part?

or is that 4 hits

and only 2 splash

[edgy onyx]

1st shot

S2 only proc once

[idle minnow]

back to DOA

🚮

[edgy onyx]

she is

PVP god

[idle minnow]

emilia 0.5

[spring jay]

Doesn’t this mean if Ziz eyes are high def… TU Vesti can’t do anything good to them unless she burst nukes?

[idle minnow]

yes

[oak matrix]

someone should investigate if i should invest in vesti

[alpine ether]

So how fast are her real cycles @idle minnow

3s is how long she needs to fire 4 shots

But is it actually 3.2s or something

So mathematically 16 ammo is best

She is a mobber

@edgy onyx why no mobbing demo

[alpine ether]

Whats with this random 8

Oh is it range

[idle minnow]

3s

theres no delay cuz she doesnt go back to cover

i actually have it recorded at slightly under 3s

but its prob some wonk

[edgy onyx]

Fully cleared everything

[edgy onyx]

8 to hit 5

[idle minnow]

show her off in OC simroom

[edgy onyx]

Tonight

[edgy onyx]

3.4s in pvp or 32 ar

[idle minnow]

i didnt look at 30fps

[edgy onyx]

60 fps record

[idle minnow]

pvp is 30fps

[golden ruin]

Trio without a single CDR

Absolute braindead imo

its like the Kit designer doesnt even play their own game

[plain bramble]

it's fine
if the first trio is this bad then they don't have a reason to try again, right?

[edgy onyx]

I put 32 ar for that reason

[coarse night]

If the first trio is this bad, there's plenty room of improvement

[golden ruin]

They can easily pull a Reverse Bready on them

[sudden cargo]

What's a reverse bready

Starving them?

[edgy onyx]

Vesgod

has anyone prayed to God yet?

[golden ruin]

They nerfed bready just prior to her release, changing numbers as hotfix

so they could do that for vesti and the girls

[golden ruin]

which god

[edgy onyx]

Vesgod

🧎‍♂️

[golden ruin]

Ganesh

[edgy onyx]

also technically Bready was not released atm so they couldchange her however

[golden ruin]

Didnt change the fact that some whales were already buying Rainbow ticket packs just for her to be changed

[alpine scroll]

Bready did, but during maint

way overdue now for absolute

[golden ruin]

Hence, Reverse Bready

[austere sparrow]

unless vesti is godly I'd probably just wishlist her and save for the RE collab

[cerulean ingot]

if the RE collab character is going to be bad/mediocre i'll skip RE collab too and save for 3rd anniversary

[austere sparrow]

sure, you do you

but I want at least 1 copy for collection purposes even if they're bad

I can always get the absolute chars later

[idle minnow]

skip everything and save for nikke2

[alpine ether]

Yes October collab then 1 week break then anniv
Sounds familiar?

[golden ruin]

RE:Zero again?

[dense skiff]

the zombie re

not the fantasy one

[grim hazel]

say it ain't so, 1 copy

how about 0

[thorn holly]

tactical skip ftw

[golden ruin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402587830709915668/1407862015006871592/2025-08-21_06-55-02.mp4?ex=68a7a52d&is=68a653ad&hm=056115fe8b1c734607072f1737623e9ae4a3577486005284ed6c43c9b91ac0c0&

[alpine ether]

Countered by Emilia btw care

Noah Biscu TVesti < Emilia

Noah Biscu TVesti > Scar Rosa Jack

Scar Rosa Jack > Blanc Jack Emilia

Im still looking for TVesti mobbing

Theres literally 0 demo on it

And everything is about glazing PvP or downplaying her bossing

ELYSION TOWER BROTHER

Oh its only open tomorrow

[idle minnow]

Screw Ely tower, just go sim infinite

I'm too lazy to run again get one of the prydwen slaves to do it

[keen dust]

so uh

absolute skip, right?

[paper stump]

Ok vesgod preacher what ol lines should I give her

I just got a black crit dmg

[edgy onyx]

if it's black, go back to reroll

I prefer 2x ammo (> 120% so +10), 4x ele (to snipe Noah/Blanc), then a lot into CS (15%+ I hope for 2.5 RL timing)

the rest goes to ATK

lowest priority

[paper stump]

Aight

Pin that pls

for us PvP sufferers

[edgy onyx]

no

if you are true pvp suffer

you will dig 2000 mess

for us the masochist, that's the ultimate happiness

[golden ruin]

Thought u'd want her ammo count to be divisible by 4

[edgy onyx]

it's for pee ve pee

18 ammo is enough

slap a bastion and you have 24

[golden ruin]

Fair

[zealous pagoda]

Damn

Emma and Eunhwa came in 10-20 pulls but Vesti hard milked me

And she's the least useful one

I'd be pretty upset if I couldn't cope by having sexual thoughts about that

At least it's not as bad as the selegg incident

[paper stump]

I thought you ain’t pulling

[zealous pagoda]

Why

Vesti is my type

[paper stump]

[zealous pagoda]

[unique oriole]

MLB HER FOR PVP!!!

[paper stump]

You do it

[unique oriole]

nah ill pass when i saw these reacts she's a huge red flag

[alpine ether]

Then bribe Antillar and become one of our staffs

[golden ruin]

https://ac.namu.la/20250821sac/f7f25954c0b22a43daad6d2ed47158ab37f1fcc22248bf947ddf6492be930689.mp4?expires=1755765238&key=i4rFSbziAsN0rpGZDL_VRA

Normal attack (core + critical) = 224,575

Normal Attack (Core) = 203,945

Additional damage (No Crit) = 591,599

Additional damage (Critical) = 1,026,483

Normal attack full charge critical = 1,251,058

Vesti Burst = 2,119,599

Is this correct????????

[spring jay]

What about this? What did that?

[paper stump]

She just ate 15 rocks and nothing besides mid 1st line ele dmg fuck this shit lol

I’ll keep my 2 remaining rocks

[zealous pagoda]

Ele DMG works in PvP?

[golden ruin]

Damage

5,286,427 (core) => Eunhwa's burst

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/145767753?p=2#comment

Linky

[alpine ether]

Bro?

[spring jay]

Yeah, it's why HelmT isn't running amok as the PvP queen. Because she runs smack into Scarlet, Cinderella, or Rosanna

[edgy onyx]

I believe I state very clear that in bossing, Vesti is trash

[grave rose]

As true damage RLs, I'm left wondering which does more damage without counting ele adv, upgraded Vesti or treasure Laplace

[edgy onyx]

in where?

[grave rose]

For bossing

[edgy onyx]

bossing?

Laplace deals way better dmg due to her burst is designed to be boss dealer

Vesti has super weak single target DPS, in exchange for insane AoE cleaning

[grave rose]

But will she actually be used for campaign or elysion tower, I haven't seen anything about this

[edgy onyx]

probably, but I have no way to demonstrate this

I have no content left

people demand OC test, so later on

[signal torrent]

new player can use her in campaign just fine but veterans are stuck bossing

idk who the second best dps is for elysion tower after rapi red hood i just use a cp booster

[grave rose]

I use Helm because she's good at everything

[edgy onyx]

for your reference

• "Best mob cleaner" Rapi: 88% explosion dmg with 100% dmg bonus = 176% ATK. Triggering every second, so 176% ATK/s
• Vesti: 266% ATK as true dmg. Not even mention her own basic ATK which is probably 70% ATK more. Triggering every 0.67s (4 hits/3s), so 446.88% ATK/s

Sure Rapi has self built 95% ATK, and Vesti also has 60% true dmg

[signal torrent]

sounds like we need high defense mobs

[edgy onyx]

in anyway, Vesti AoE always claps Rapi

176% vs 446%

[signal torrent]

is modernia worse than rapi?

[edgy onyx]

yes, Mod dmg is terrible

2% x 60 = 120% ATK per sec

Rapi is 176%

[grave rose]

What is missing from those numbers that shows why Vesti damage is bad on bosses?

[edgy onyx]

cuz that's "AoE" dmg

Rapi single target dmg is around 1200% ATK per sec

Vesti is 450% as you can see

because her AoE is also her ST

hence Vesti = 1/4 ~ 1/3 Rapi, as I state early on

[ebon hare]

For new player investing vesti for campaign is good while she sucks for bossing? Better off putting more into rapi

[grave rose]

Also what cursed elysion tower team would she even be in

[edgy onyx]

can't think of 1

Rapi + duo maid + Helm should allow you to turn off brain

[grave rose]

There is no way that's better

[ebon hare]

[grave rose]

Or rather, I'll wait for someone who does try this, I'm gonna skip the entire triple banner

[paper stump]

No only true dmg works in PvP

[ebon hare]

[ebon hare]

Like this so rapi b1, on bosses vesti out for dwk

[edgy onyx]

oh

damn you are rite

[deft iris]

myyyahhhh

is vesti gooooddd??

[muted river]

PvP unit and mobber

Boss is

[deft iris]

Let'sss goooo

[edgy onyx]

her S2 should have an effect like

• If you hit single target, dmg x5

oh well, that'll be Laplace then

October Mamatis

[grave rose]

October Mamatis would be amazing, but they have no room

[zealous pagoda]

they're all gonna be vesti tier

[deft iris]

brainlets w/ toys gun

not looking good

[grave rose]

I don't care, I'll MLB Laplace even if she has no skills

[muted river]

Don't worry, boss will be Window Container so Laplace will get 2000x damage per normal shot

[zealous pagoda]

wait

wait no

I hope upgraded Maxwell violates me so hard i will never be able to sleep without crying again

[deft iris]

it's mirrow contanner not beutiful

[paper stump]

Perfect statement for 🫃 emoji

[zealous pagoda]

I will gladly carry our child

[alpine scroll]

your average HA badge carrier

[hazy minnow]

Bruh

[ebon hare]

U hot grill?

[paper stump]

What if ugly grill

[ebon hare]

Ugly face and body or only face

[deft iris]

ugly everything

[real coral]

Wtf do I return too in thos thread

[paper stump]

Happens when a unit is mid

[gleaming arch]

is she pvp meta

[zealous pagoda]

[stuck glade]

Now the collab is also announced, we are safe to skip every character this month

[zealous pagoda]

collab is ass

if it's not literally cindy tier dps i'm skipping

[stuck glade]

I am going for S Helm anyway

[stuck glade]

W Asuka tier would be nice enough

[real coral]

Is vesti mid?

[toxic dust]

Noah team is dead for SP-def?

[signal torrent]

noah was dead since emily

[real coral]

What should Vesti's overload roles for pve be?

[toxic dust]

ele atk max ammo

[real coral]

No charge speed?

[toxic dust]

no CS needed

4 Eele, 4 ATK, 1 - 2 Max ammo are needed

CS is decent for PVP though

CS threshold for PVP is 17% and 25%, which are very high

so I'd not go for CS even for PVP, but it's your choice

[signal torrent]

should be 15% in pvp

still high

hard to get with 3 lines more realistic with 4

[toxic dust]

Also you need to adjust your ammo to be multiples of 4

[edgy onyx]

only pve needs that

and pve doesn't need her

[toxic dust]

[signal torrent]

shift up should close the raid and make vesti s2 work with parts

[edgy onyx]

make her S2 tick extra per part

[real coral]

I have 4 roles on charge speed 💀

[ebon hare]

Is 3* 4.92 fine for that ?

Or 15+ without rounding

[signal torrent]

that's good enough it reaches 15% when first added then rounded upwards

[real coral]

With who does vesti work bc my current team is ass

[signal torrent]

characters like jackal/blanc/noah etc the good top tiers in pvp

[coral valley]

Damn the dps unit is shit

[real coral]

For pve

[signal torrent]

skip

[coral valley]

Should have saved for collab and anni

[real coral]

Already pulled

[signal torrent]

she works with crown and siren you know the good top tiers in pve

[real coral]

No crown for me

[toxic dust]

very good for pvp, I pulled Vesti and skipped the others

[real coral]

I want them all

I need Emma then im good

[plucky trench]

i guess we need buff @formal wigeon

[real coral]

What i don't understand tho
Vesti burst deals damage to parts to
New chapter bosses no parts

[plucky trench]

vs Rapi B1 in Indivilia

Make a thread in maincord ig

[formal wigeon]

She won't get buff

[formal wigeon]

It's a free unit

Sorry, 2%

You can't complain about getting meta and mid at the same time

[real coral]

Just gotta get true damage buffers with cd

[plucky trench]

they're trio

they should be good

make a thread pls

[paper stump]

No we don’t need good trio

We need a break

This is it

[formal wigeon]

How much did you invest in vesti

Do you think she gets used?

[real coral]

Rapipi has very good synergy with all tac up units i have seen

[formal wigeon]

[plucky trench]

10/10/10 c5 55 rocks

[real coral]

[formal wigeon]

It's so over

Time to PvP main

[real coral]

I have 7/7/7 9 rocks sr doll at lvl 5

[formal wigeon]

Or campaign main

Idk

[plucky trench]

i got lucky anw

[formal wigeon]

[formal wigeon]

Still losing to RRHb1 is crazy

[plucky trench]

her S2 is a big disappointment

[formal wigeon]

How much is your eunhwa

She probably deals more damage tbh

[plucky trench]

i didnt test with trio

[formal wigeon]

Cuz vesti won't do any damage to wings

[ebon hare]

Tf 55 rocks for that?

Lucky dog

[plucky trench]

what wings?

[formal wigeon]

Ziz wings

[plucky trench]

you mean orbs?

[real coral]

You can damage those?

[formal wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402623592188870806/1407884901151146045/image.png?ex=68a7ba7d&is=68a668fd&hm=b16b059a5f9d5d24559062c2d4deb90590108f5d2b015e0b863232c7d2aa05fd&

The wings give no extra damage hits to vesti

Hence, you can imagine vesti is hitting shooting range boss

Without core

Indivilia is actually a buff for vesti since it has parts

[plucky trench]

let me test in SR

to see if there's any diff

[real coral]

Can rocket launchers even hit core?

[formal wigeon]

Yes

They have perfect accuracy

What I'm basically trying to say is

[real coral]

Im happy vesti's rockets aren't like cindy

[formal wigeon]

Vesti

[real coral]

Cindy's rockets arch so weird

[plucky trench]

it's different in SR

i dont see any breakable wings

[formal wigeon]

That's what I mean

Those wings get no damage dealt on them

Hence ziz is a boss with 0 parts

She's gluttony 2

[real coral]

Ziz looks like the most challenging boss after mw or mirror tbh

[formal wigeon]

Do u get what I'm saying

[plucky trench]

it doesn't show breakable wings in SR

[plucky trench]

not like this one

name doesnt appear

[real coral]

Ziz shouldn't have any parts right?

Or does fase 2 grant her parts

[plucky trench]

she has parts

SR is different from campaign

[real coral]

Ooh

Why did they do that seems unreasonable

[formal wigeon]

I see

[formal wigeon]

The orbs are breakable?

[real coral]

Yes

[plucky trench]

orbs breakable

4 orbs

phase 1 respawn once

phase 2 respawn once

[real coral]

Do i have to break all orbs?

[formal wigeon]

The campaign fight doesn't have wings either I think, it's orbs as well

[real coral]

it should have orbs

[formal wigeon]

I meant the orbs not wings

[real coral]

And the restrain thing is that in solo raid or not?

[formal wigeon]

No idts

Lemme just play the SR fight

[real coral]

I have seen orbs

Im just not hoping the laser attack is in solo raid it deals so much damage

[plucky trench]

and that name is round eye 2

not shown as wing

I autoed Ziz campaign so I don't know her mechanic yet

[formal wigeon]

Yeah it's round eye

I used to think it's 4 wings but it's 4 orbs

[real coral]

Heh

[plucky trench]

btw @formal wigeon

i think

just htink

maybe

Vesti burst hit even before Eunhwa burst hit ?

[formal wigeon]

Eunhwa burst has delay

[plucky trench]

who even made this design

[formal wigeon]

Like .2s

[plucky trench]

it's so stupid

[real coral]

Is that really so noticeable?

[formal wigeon]

Yes

[plucky trench]

simple cut scene + delay + pause scum

she's not that bad on parts boss @formal wigeon

[real coral]

Without cutscene?

[plucky trench]

if you dont mald

dont need to do these

[formal wigeon]

What is that 1 damage from

[real coral]

I have cutscenes off

[formal wigeon]

I think we can't hit the balls man

[plucky trench]

normal hit

it's way too under CP

360% def up => 1 dmg

[formal wigeon]

Yes so
When you're locked to 400

[real coral]

Ziz has a phase where everything goes to 1 damage expect true damage

[plucky trench]

the 843k is true dmg

[formal wigeon]

I think you can't hit it either

[plucky trench]

it's in campaign

SR is different

if you're strong enough, you still do dmg

like MC

[real coral]

Why is solo raid ziz so different

[plucky trench]

im not sure that much different

[ocean verge]

can snipe noah before burst with sr lvl15 + dmg reduce cube?

[plucky trench]

cause Snake said it's Wings

when I didn't see Wings, i said it's different

And when I backread, it's round eye

[real coral]

Ok so now im confused

[plucky trench]

not wing

in campaign orbs respawn twice

[static sable]

Theres no wings part on campaign either afaik

[plucky trench]

in SR they respawn 4 times

need to wait challenge day

[formal wigeon]

My bad it's orbs

There's no wings

[real coral]

Does true damage ignore damage taken decreased?

[formal wigeon]

[plucky trench]

the funny thing is

orbs respawn less = Vesti deal less dmg

but orbs respawn more = other comps suffer

[formal wigeon]

31.7k def

[formal wigeon]

×3.6

114.2k def

[plucky trench]

what was MC def

[formal wigeon]

I wonder if we have more atk than that

[formal wigeon]

More I think

80×4 + base

?

[real coral]

Does ziz have an interruption fase?

[plucky trench]

anyways they're still kinda arkward

Vesti S2 is a big lame
cant rush burst in this comp

someone make a thread in maincord please

[real coral]

Idk how

[ebon hare]

Need more lolis who are meta

[idle minnow]

Isn't it already there

[ocean verge]

why 120% ammo?

[idle minnow]

Oh u mean feedback to get s2 changed

[idle minnow]

No

[zealous pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-gif-9007520049712606272

[formal wigeon]

As well as Eunhwa burst for the stupid delay

[paper stump]

Wait so Eunwha burst hits later than vesti?

The jokes just write themselves mang

[real coral]

In what tier are they all rn

[edgy onyx]

+10

[ocean verge]

is this without bastion?

[edgy onyx]

yes

so 18 without bas = 24 with bas

[real coral]

What cube is best for vesti

[paper stump]

Literally the message above you

lol

[real coral]

Ok so bastion

My bastion cube is low lvl tho

[idle minnow]

does 18+bastion loop? cuz u enter reload 18 with bastion counter at 4 already?

u eventually desync dont u?

[real coral]

Could be

Test it ig

[idle minnow]

y would i test thats easy spreadsheet math

instead of watching each shot

[real coral]

Idk math so test it ig

[edgy onyx]

think

stop quoteing

[idle minnow]

i didnt quote

im asking a question

[polar crown]

no one should survive past 9 seconds…

[idle minnow]

oh im still thinking pve

[real coral]

What cube vesti use other than bastion pve

[polar crown]

she uses res in pve

bastion will cause desync

[real coral]

And if I have perfect mag increase?

Couldn't wingman be used or is that a terrible idea

[toxic dust]

Bastion will cause desync nomatter what ammos you have

[polar crown]

^

[paper stump]

Imagine a unit has lag built in.

[polar crown]

unless you somehow perfectly sync 12 ammo every time

[paper stump]

Premium brick

[polar crown]

[idle minnow]

even 16-20 effective ammo should be fine for pvp no? thats already 13-17s

[polar crown]

if its to unbrick a bad % of ammo its probably better than res

[idle minnow]

even if i blanc indom thats basically my whole indom

[polar crown]

doesnt she fire 3 shots per sec

or nah

[idle minnow]

with a 2s charge time

[polar crown]

i havent tested her at all

[idle minnow]

[real coral]

I have i think 90~ ammo % increase

[polar crown]

i thought it was 1 sec

[idle minnow]

2s then u get 3 in 3

[polar crown]

[real coral]

I have like 40% charge speed increase on vesti

[idle minnow]

with cspeed u prob need to go higher ammo since ur doing more shots over the 15s

[polar crown]

wtf it is 2 seconds

kek

[polar crown]

so its 2 seconds then 3 shots then another 2 seconds?

[idle minnow]

yes

[real coral]

Yes

[polar crown]

bruh

LMAO

[real coral]

Wasn't it 4 shots per burst

[polar crown]

no wonder shes so ass

[real coral]

Like charge shoot 4?

[idle minnow]

u get a shot for charging

then u get 3 shots at 100% speed

[real coral]

Would alice work bc of charge speed increase?

[idle minnow]

no

[polar crown]

you’d need 17 bare minimum

[real coral]

I need Emma desperately

[polar crown]

17-10+3-10+3

[idle minnow]

it depeds how long ur match goes on for right

[polar crown]

tho tbh even one should be enough unless you’re playing against a zombie team

but if that happens you probably got bigger issues

[paper stump]

Riiiiiip

[polar crown]

[idle minnow]

lets say ur 3rl blanc which will probably be one of the longest surviving teams outside full stall

thats like somewhere around 4s and 10s blanc indom

[polar crown]

if its a 3 RL team it should be a gg then

[idle minnow]

so anything past 14-15s is actually not shot usually

and this is the longest duration we expect to shoot for right?

[polar crown]

if you’re fighting against a stall team you’re screwed tho

[idle minnow]

just kill the stall team

[polar crown]

well even with stall if your vesti is strong enough she should kill ig

[paper stump]

Vesti sounds annoying to create def teams against

meh

[polar crown]

she is but idc im skipping

[idle minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-kill-the-batman-its-simple-gif-16020258

[polar crown]

40 pulls and no emma or eunhwa so no bother

[paper stump]

I got her. But not gonna pull for the other two

[polar crown]

450 pulls with one rate up btw

[paper stump]

[polar crown]

since SB

[paper stump]

damn

5 pilgrims in one 10 pull incoming?

[polar crown]

god I would hope so

[real coral]

I have eunwha and vesti in a 10 pulk

[polar crown]

but ill keep dreaming

[paper stump]

2 harran’s 3 isabels

[polar crown]

260 pulls in for a raven (150 no eve and 110 on raven)

[polar crown]

chopped

ive never pulled isabel

got my first one this year in a mold

[idle minnow]

i stole my vesti's manu gear to put on new vesti

[real coral]

Normal vesti with vesti tactical upgrade

[polar crown]

[toxic dust]

sorry I was sleeping, you only need 50% * N max ammo OL options
No way, Bastion will desync.

[real coral]

Vesti and eunwha tac upgrade won't work right

[idle minnow]

? wym

[real coral]

I basically just want a team with vesti i can use

[zealous pagoda]

you can just put her anywhere and it'll work

[real coral]

I need specific team

[zealous pagoda]

she doesn't have any gimmicks like bready and true damage is a meme so you can just give her attack buffers and chill

[real coral]

Ok so im going for a meme team got it

[zealous pagoda]

RRH Crown Vesti mMast tHelm

hypercarry vesti

(outdamgaged by b1 rrh)

[real coral]

No rrh no crown no mMast no thelm

[zealous pagoda]

crow

[real coral]

I just need helm in the body shop and I will

[real coral]

Ok so where just joking

[zealous pagoda]

why are you asking for teams when you don't have any of the good units

[toxic dust]

what are you aiming for this SR?

3%?

[real coral]

Bc im a dumbass

I pull i need team i use i realise it's shit switch team

[zealous pagoda]

well if you don't have rrh crown mmast or thelm you might as well pull the whole trio

and then you'll have something

[real coral]

Im missing emma

For now idk b1 m anchor vesti helm idk b2

[zealous pagoda]

is emma banner over?

[real coral]

No

I got trony not emms

Emma*

[toxic dust]

you can just use Eunhwa TU without Emma if you don't have better B2

[real coral]

I can?

But wouldn't that be useless

[toxic dust]

yeah you can

[real coral]

I have grave

[zealous pagoda]

only emma needs the other two

[real coral]

Ooh

That makes me happy but im still getting emma

[ebon hare]

U better off posting your roster so, ppl can make team based on what u have

[real coral]

Might take some time before their downloaded

[clever hearth]

anyone tested vesti against nvidia? surely that 86k def jump from 21k def at phase 4 means vesti is besti

[paper stump]

She sucks at bossing acc to methtrix

plus all that fuckery with her shooting times w ammo that need to be multiplier of 4 or whatever

[clever hearth]

i was thinking nvidia might be a special case because of the big def nvidia has

[real coral]

Rapipi still beats her as b1

[paper stump]

Lmao

[real coral]

But i all 3 including rapipi and then uuh idk who can work very well

I hace seen atleast

[ebon hare]

Blabla also possible..

[real coral]

I don't have linked

[ebon hare]

Get it linked

[real coral]

And idk how that works

[paper stump]

[ebon hare]

Use brain

[real coral]

Just blabla on google

[ebon hare]

blablalink.com

Make profile, turn on nikke visible to everyone

Share link

Use brain on every step

[real coral]

I don't have that

[polar crown]

people dont want to do the bare minimum then expect others to do extra

[real coral]

It's taking atleast 10 mins for blabla to load

Its an app now

So i just install

[edgy onyx]

huh what's desync

18 ammo + bastion = 24 shots

plain simple

derange true, not sure about desync

[idle minnow]

regarding pve

because u dont end a cycle on 0 bastion count

you end first cycle on bastion count 4/10

then 2nd cycle is ok but ur ending on 8/10

[edgy onyx]

PVE?

[idle minnow]

yup

[edgy onyx]

nah I wont waste my time with PVE

[idle minnow]

for pvp 20 ammo is likely enough no?

[edgy onyx]

don't know why you create a framework for RL weaker than Laplace

[idle minnow]

16-20 should be like 14-17s?

[edgy onyx]

20 is very safe, 24 is just there for weird ass stall team

20 - 24, anything works

for 24, needs 18 + bastion

for 20, 17

which is very closed to 18 => go 18

normal Vesti will shoot 12 per 10s

but 3 RL Vesti can actually do 16

[idle minnow]

ya thats why i said 16-20

i think 16 is already very close to enough for 3rl blanc

cuz thats 13.6s

if blanc indom happens within first 3.6s of the fight = ur shooting the whole time

if your/their indom ends after that volley ur not going to survive 2s to win indom fight

right?

[edgy onyx]

left

[real coral]

Blabla dont wanna load

[icy arrow]

.

[coarse night]

Must pull for pvp?

[clever hearth]

depend on your pvp bracket

but having 1 more good dps option is always nice