SSakura was useful only on Kraken
#[Raven] New Unit Megathread
boreal hound
jaunty fern
Cuz it's illegal to do so
boreal hound
After that she's dead
clear cloak
there is, you just create a separate file for the dot script they have and modify it specifically for raven
boreal hound
1 month useful
jaunty fern
Like by law, they can't nerf mihara
wise nexus
That's great to know, 1 year is good enough.
vast lagoon
RosCO will reappear when enemies have parts tbh
She's a competitive kit, especially now we have good neutral DoT in Mihara
boreal hound
tulip flame
there is, you just create a separate file for the dot script they have and modif...
Has SU enough dev power to do this tho 
clear cloak
Has SU enough dev power to do this tho <:BlancStare:1121783303922532403>
i dont think so LMFAO
boreal hound
They should fix her
graceful folio
Cuz it's illegal to do so
it's not illegal, it will cause big uproar from players
vast lagoon
it's not illegal, it will cause big uproar from players
Arknights famously had to buff a character because a stream showed their skill doing more damage than it was in game
And a whale tried to sue them over it
flint sapphire
Is why SU stopped datamines. So players don't have that reason to complain if release were nerfed from beta.
clear cloak
funny thing is, this isnt even from datamines, but their own skill description 🤣
tulip flame
Yeah I don't think it's illegal but definitively could cause a huge riot, especially if the nerf unit isn't problematic.
But if something is really broken, like PvP Noise, a nerf is mainly welcomed by the community.
That being said, they can fix Raven without touching Mihara if they really want to...
outer glen
Yeah I don't think it's illegal but definitively could cause a huge riot, especi...
Problem is, fix the bug nerf Mihara and SSakura, but buff Raven, which tbh, by default (no bug), Raven kick other two asses.
autumn oriole
I just used Gold Ticket on Raven hopefully shes worth 
clear cloak
thing is if they want to fix this or even address it, it has to be before friday-saturday which is when SR's competitive part starts
fiery pollen
you know, SU might just give up on bugfixing and just buff raven’s numbers instead
outer glen
thing is if they want to fix this or even address it, it has to be before friday...
Well, close solo raid, compensation 
tulip flame
you know, SU might just give up on bugfixing and just buff raven’s numbers inste...
If they just buff Raven number, heavy manual / macro Raven would be able to reach insane number tho
clear cloak
truuuu close it like they did before, i need more exp
outer glen
I just don't want DoT "bug" to escalate in a future, sigh...
I should work in SU as a professional head slapper, because for real, I want to slap them for each patch update.
clear cloak
Full charge, fast shot, fast shot, full charge, fast shot, full charge. all within 4.5 seconds on a macro, think was like 40% more dmg
outer glen
Fix this, introduce new bugs.
thorny forge
I'm still waiting on them to fix the stutter bug they added this update
clear cloak
and 1 full charge, dont hit for 4 seconds, full charge repeat was 30% more dmg
flint sapphire
I just don't want DoT "bug" to escalate in a future, sigh...
Havta wait until CN fixes DOT on their end unfortunately. Hopefully CN players will complain on their end and then SU ports it to global.
outer glen
10 PULLS!!!
tacit hull
that reminds me, why is SB so damn optimized when nikke runs like shit anyway?
vast lagoon
So to clarify, is it just that:
- Mihara increases stack count, which deals damage of current stack +1
- Raven applies a stack, which deals....one stack of damage (regardless of current stack count)
Can't they just bugfix it by making stack-application do damage of all current stacks too (and thus not nerf Mihara)?
tacit hull
it even has denuvo
outer glen
it even has denuvo
SU's CEO said A game's performance is better with Denuvo, on SB's interview. 😂
Yeah he got slapped for it, but like, SB only use a fraction of Denuvo's
vast lagoon
So to clarify, is it just that:
- Mihara increases stack count, which deals dam...
Just realised this would make S.Sakura's burst be way more of a nuke since it would deal factorial damage against one enemy lol
outer glen
from my understand by lurking in crack's reddits, the game doesn't use fully Denuvo like many Western's games, only a part of it. That make security less serious, but also not impact the game much.
vast lagoon
Ultimately the game allows modding so the anticheat can't be too obscene for stellar blade
outer glen
Ultimately the game allows modding so the anticheat can't be too obscene for ste...
Yup, ShiftUp know fully well how shit Denuvo impact performance, that is basic programming. So they don't go full at it.
The game will likely be crack fast though, I use crack as a security's measurement because well, it what Denuvo fight against.
the next 10 pulls!! (Total: 20 pulls)
thorny forge
tf you kept going for
thorny forge
no I wasn't there
outer glen
snow trout
She is my waifu
Based
outer glen
My Raven has a pink bunny skin.
snow trout
vast lagoon
If you destroy a part during FB can you have both Single Point Attack and the burst buff?
outer glen
Which cube for her? Bastion?
tulip flame
I would say Resilience, like usual.
Losing stacks because of a too long reload would be catastrophic.
outer glen
Skill investments?
vast lagoon
Yeah can't risk dropping from 10 stacks to 0
Parts damage cube probably her soloraid meta option
But will make manual that little bit more of a pain
tulip flame
I'm not too sure about skill.
S1 seems a must 10 since it's the DoT.
S2 seems very situational, and even the current SR doesn't have parts for the whole fight...
Burst is mainly the SD% buff... 10 should be ideal, but I don't know if it's worth it.
vast lagoon
She has a self ATK buff during burst, plus S2 buffs when relevant....
What's she like as an iron off-burst?
10/4/1?
Since her sustain damage is worse than expected, is it even worth bursting for the slight improvement to sustain buff?
green valley
should i be using my mileage for raven?
outer glen
I'm not too sure about skill.
S1 seems a must 10 since it's the DoT.
S2 seems v...
Her s2 have sustain dmg buff.
vast lagoon
I think you're either picking between S2 for slot 5 non-bursting against iron bosses with parts
Or burst, to avoid parts boss niche and be viable against iron boss in general (but not great)
Burst removes the S2 buff so synergy isn't great between the two lol
tulip flame
Her s2 have sustain dmg buff.
Yeah, but can you really use it? You need to be off-Burst and destroy one part.
Maybe it's good against Ultra, but even the current SR Boss spawns parts only at the end of the fight, and the part doesn't even regen after that.
vast lagoon
Yeah, but can you really use it? You need to be off-Burst and destroy one part.
...
You can if you never burst
outer glen
Sigh, I have her at 7/7/7 for now
tulip flame
There is still the issue of having a Boss that regen parts
vast lagoon
It lasts 15 seconds, which isn't too bad
A lot of bosses with parts that frequent
Really just a question of if they have parts at all
Not like pierce that wants 100% parts uptime
tulip flame
A lot of bosses with parts that frequent
Sadly, not the current SR 
vast lagoon
Really? 
tulip flame
Yeah, he spawns 6 parts after 2min, and that's all
tulip flame
And you must destroy them ASAP, if you don't it's an OS
vast lagoon
Wow can't even ration them
raven forum
Is this enouh for this raid 
tulip flame
Unless Challenge Mode is different than Normal Mode, yeah, no parts at the start
tulip flame
Yep
vast lagoon
Against a boss with parts I'd be curious to see Raven's slot 5 numbers vs e.g. Modernia or Mihara
But this isn't it, by the sounds of it
edgy prawn
is raven mid
vast lagoon
vast lagoon
Probably
tulip flame
We have Ultra
outer glen
"This means ideally you should only land a fully charged attack after at max stacks only for reapplication purposes only (since it lasts 5s, what a bummer). The other times, she should either: spam shot, hold full charge but not release it, go AFK, go behind cover, whatever. Just don't release a fully charged shot"
So just spam shot and do full charge shot when stack is maxed, right?
vast lagoon
Full charge when stack would otherwise reset to 0
So fire 10 shots first to build to 10 stacks
Then wait 4.6 seconds and fire another
Don't wait too long or it resets to 0 and you have to fire ten again
outer glen
How can you time 0.6 seconds
outer glen
Yeah, I see it now: spam shots, build 10 stacks of DoT, then wait (because atk reset the DoT), and release a full charge after 4.6s?
vast lagoon
So the issue is that everytime you apply a stack, it resets the DoT timer, and only deals 1 stack worth of damage immediately.
Mihara meanwhile, deals X stacks worth of damage.
outer glen
After a full charge shot, just repeat the steps?
tulip flame
Yeah, I see it now: spam shots, build 10 stacks of DoT, then wait (because atk r...
Good luck to do that without Macro tho, especially when you need to look out for the boss pattern
vast lagoon
After a full charge shot, just repeat the steps?
Wait 4.6, charge shot, repeat
As far as timing goes, you can probably fire when you visibly see the tick..... Maybe
The 4.5s tick is what you're looking for
Fire after that and you should be fine
outer glen
Again, how can you time 0.6 seconds 
vast lagoon
I would avoid running her with any other sustain dps if using the ticks to time it
That way it should be simple
outer glen
yeah
vast lagoon
Learn where on the boss sustain ticks appear, and wait for it
outer glen
I loves how SU be like: "Here, manually play and time Raven like in Stellar Blade."
SU, I can't both time 4.6 and looks at her ass...
vast lagoon
If you see the damage tick at 4.5 (with full charge ready), should easily release ~4.6 no issue
smoky saffron
And lets say we do all this and play her perfectly.. whats the reward? how much damage is she doing compared to other top units
outer glen
I only have two eyes, and they work at same times...
outer glen
And lets say we do all this and play her perfectly.. whats the reward? how much ...
30% dmg increase when play right.
vast lagoon
And lets say we do all this and play her perfectly.. whats the reward? how much ...
Not enough
smoky saffron
would rather mald with snow white (which i usually can't be bothered to do either)
outer glen
The dmg is at max 30% increase, can vary depend on how manually control you are.
smoky saffron
Looking at how much damage she does for me just auto.. maybe 80-90% increase might make me think about it.. 30%? na im good
Went from extremly hyped for this collab to disgusted quick
clear cloak
The dmg is at max 30% increase, can vary depend on how manually control you are.
It's 30% if u attack once every 4.5 seconds. 45% if u macro
valid ermine
God damn it man
vast lagoon
Hey someone has checked the spaghetti code isn't so dumb that Mihara procs Raven too or something right?
Because that would be hilarious
vast lagoon
That implies Mihara is also nerfed now
vast lagoon
Since it says there's been an update to how sustain damage works
vast lagoon
B3 Mihara won't be nerfed too badly tbh
It's mainly non-bursting Mihara that would absolutely plummet
upper snow
gloomy topaz
<:kekw:1009394634692247632>
You're in time to build snow
autumn oriole
whats Raven's OL
gloomy topaz
Never trust SU to not fuck shit up <:Doro:1146503869988343848>
They played dirty this time
vast lagoon
whats Raven's OL
EMx4, and stop there because it's not worth the rocks 
autumn oriole
EMx4, and stop there because it's not worth the rocks <:MedeaSigh:58077273018676...
not even ATK rolls or Max Ammo?
vast lagoon
Maybe if you're focusing iron raid
But ultimately it's looking like those rocks are better spent on RapiRH, RH, LaplaceT, etc
gloomy topaz
At least I didn't build Eve sheningans
vast lagoon
She already gives self ATK and max ammo is irrelevant to her DoT so....
Yeah EMx4
clear trellis
let's see
- Mihara: Triggers S1 every 0.67s (40 shots) during burst. Doesn't affect burst frequency (burst triggers normally 1s). If Mihara STOPS shooting every 0.67s, her DoT procs normally at 1 tick/s
- Raven: Triggers S1 immediately put it on 1.5s cd instead of 1s
and you guys tell me fixing Raven affects Mihara wut da fak
one doesn't affect any timing, one purposedly put cd on DoT for whatever reason
vast lagoon
What would break Mihara is making it all be what it says on the skill
Aka, at max stacks, all you do is extend the duration
Instead of whatever twisted spaghetti code logic is running both right now
thorny forge
Separate code probably
vast lagoon
Maybe, but similar logic
Doing 1 stack damage on reapplication for example
Despite neither skill implying that
clear trellis
Mihara dmg during her burst
- 10 procs of burst
- 15 procs S1 at 1 stack
Mihara dmg during other burst
- 15 procs S1 at 10 stacks
which is higher than any prediction before released
vast lagoon
Hold up during her burst she should get 0 procs of S1
clear trellis
for Raven
- 10 procs of S1 10 stacks every 20s =))
10 procs of S1 1 stack every 20s too
vast lagoon
It's only other burst being 15 instead of 10 which was a surprise
clear trellis
vast lagoon
Niche test but uhhh
If you kill a rapture with her debuff
And the chains are then reapplied to a rapture already with the debuff
Do we know what happens to the DoT?
If it's like Raven, the difference is indeed "apply a stack" vs "increase stack count"
clear trellis
gain 1 stack
vast lagoon
I mean with regards to whether an immediate stack damage is dealt / the DoT timer resets
The wording is the same as Raven (deal X damage every second, for Y seconds, max stacks Z) so in theory should work the same way
thorny forge
Bugged, dmg output is as intended (mid)
The mathed out dmg is not intended
Bc they don't math, their testing is prob little more than shooting range
clear trellis
I will look more into her tick
because Hayde records that her tick hits as much as Mihara tick
which is insane because Mihara tick is 500%
and Raven is 684.6%
that's 37% diff
can't be that closed
she may hit slower than expect and also softer
crisp ether
Man they need to buff their own character
upper snow
You're in time to build snow
I built her
crisp ether
I did pull both to mlb without much of a thought but still
vast lagoon
I mean Eve is the one with a gacha skin, if they're gonna buff anyone to be meta you'd expect it to be her
crisp ether
I don’t want use them for 6 months then never see them again
outer glen
About Stellar Blade, Raven and Eve's bodies: are they wearing an outfit? or that actually their bodies?
flint warren
https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1385094283882790992
Nice attempt to not get Mihara nerfed but this spaghetti code is so bad then will break something else by actually fixing her
shy crane
since this behaviour is consistent across the board i think this is intended
if they change this then they would simply have to lower her damage a lot to still have her be as strong (or weak) as she is now
jaunty fern
Nice attempt to not get Mihara nerfed but this spaghetti code is so bad then wil...
My mihara is pretty shit rn so I won't mind that much cuz no dupes 
tulip flame
Nice attempt to not get Mihara nerfed but this spaghetti code is so bad then wil...
Maybe Mihara will be nerf, but Nihilister will be up, it's not all bad
shy crane
the damage gain from manual play might already be an oversight
people should just be happy with that
🤏
flat nacelle
I wonder if she's good on kraken because parts
limpid kindle
idk man I dont see any use for her even neutral units outdmg her in iron weak raids
graceful folio
might ditch them entirely and suffer through a (once a year) iron raid
vast lagoon
I've bitten the bullet, gotten both one copy each
Eve 10/7/7
Raven 7/4/4
I'll get them both to have either ATK or EM on each OL gear and call it there, easy done
shy crane
who would skip collab characters that are used in raids
these 2 are fine characters
but the downside is how unpredictable their elemental raid runs
outer glen
Raven s2 is something, it's niche but when shine, does make her dmg difference
shy crane
it should shine this specific raid
outer glen
yeah, but like it's a questionable investment
vast lagoon
it should shine this specific raid
Should it? Doesn't the boss only have parts briefly?
shy crane
yes depends on how high you want to rank
outer glen
shy crane
best on the server you better max
outer glen
best on the server you better max
max for one time use per year
shy crane
i think that would be a good scenario for her
if we get 2 iron raids per year lets say
chances are neither have parts
vast lagoon
I'd like a buff that means I don't need to watch macro players do 15% better than me manualling
But at least her numbers are low enough that 15% if meh anyway
shy crane
the whole macro thing is fucked up and they didn't really solve it for alice in 2.5 years
if they don't handle it quickly for raven then solo raid is over and she's here to stay as is
solution: no more iron raid with parts
no more raven
outer glen
She needs correction 💢
shy crane
really solo raid viable
shadow rivet
hb regular bossing?
shy crane
just solo raid iron weak
bitter ice
shy crane
raven was projected as sss tier
turns out as s tier
and now shift up may do something about it
raven forum
We win?
shy crane
depends
outer glen
Gasp
Raven is Neon's mom?! I mean, they wear same sailor uniform's tie.
shy crane
if they simply 'fix' the dot then mihara is nerfed
raven forum
Ok with your blessing i got super luck and almost got it under 300 pull 
muted wharf
anyone tested her in pvp yet?
I tried but the enemy Scarlet wiped my team 
pale sorrel
Fk i used all my rocks on other units coz she was mid
glad ermine
Dont worry gatrix
They will investigate it and will found no issue
Then they will revise the wording to match the current intended function 
strong crag
The numbers must be REAL bad for them to react this quick
strong crag
Dont worry gatrix
They will investigate it and will found no issue
Then they wil...
Oh true it’s ShitUp after all 
outer glen
Wear gloves, and have fingernails.
shy crane
what they should do is take away the 30% increased dmg from manual play
and call it fixed
gloomy condor
DID WE WIN?
outer glen
Yes, buff her!!
muted wharf
The numbers must be REAL bad for them to react this quick
Yeah, they gotta pay for those Switch 2 installments somehow
shy crane
i don't want to play this girl with a macro
that shit is lame af 1 macro character is enough
gloomy condor
Dont worry gatrix
They will investigate it and will found no issue
Then they wil...
"Oh these are actually the intended numbers. We just make the description a bit misleading"
gloomy condor
If and when they kind of fix Raven, does it change any team ups?
shy crane
no
gloomy condor
Alright noted
idle heron
they're fixing her lets gooo
gloomy condor
Man I got impatient and use 30 pulls being F2P and felt nah I dont think I am gonna get much luck on this and use my gold ticket and am at 1K with it 
near topaz
pin this again soon
steep shell
Ok with your blessing i got super luck and almost got it under 300 pull <:wahaha...
Thank Nangkwak not me
gloomy condor
Kinda felt like an idiot
strong crag
<:RougeStare:1287547664052785283> pin this again soon
Too much cope lol
shy crane
Man I got impatient and use 30 pulls being F2P and felt nah I dont think I am go...
1k is a good amount of golden tickets for f2p
it will be like half a year before another pilgrim
gloomy condor
The summer event I am kinda sweating about is the thing
outer glen
If they do fix Raven, we won't need to manually control her much.
Because her DoT should stay on at peak most of time.
You can skip A2 though
2B so far have more usage than A2 in raids
gloomy condor
you can skip last year's reruns
I got all the summer girls in the past. And yeah its just the new ones that got me feeling
outer glen
For summer, Anis is very good
atomic leaf
If they do fix Raven, we won't need to manually control her much.
What if now people manual for keep reapplying right after the ticks now?
Basically skipping every other 1s interval
dull plinth
Thanks. Interesting. So either manual is worse than I expected or auto deals more than I expected (well, I'm not sure if the delay is actually 2s for auto like Altros said but...).
outer glen
Raven have two problems: everytime she hits with full charge, she will refresh the DoT timer, but also forces the next one to be only 1 stack damage instead of full stacks (10 stacks)
We don't know if SU will fix both problems, or just one of it.
tbh, i prefer the fix the latter problems
refresh DoT is fine, but lose all stacks?
bruh
gloomy condor
Love how we are essentially QA testers for Nikke.
outer glen
At least they investigate
shy crane
devs listened
outer glen
I sent a bug report about Gluttony, Nihilister and see nothing so far.
shy crane
the simplest fix would be to touch nothing about the code
maybe increase her 1 stack dot a bit so it's not a problem
call it a day
boreal hound
They only post ingame notice when they found something bugged or being too weak
So 100% they will fix something
Back to SSS @jaunty fern
shy crane
last time they fixed a macro character she got nerfed
livid anvil
haughty mauve
So it seems there was a bit of backlash from Raven's skills.
haughty mauve
I would assume there was if they acknowledged there was an issue.
river spoke
the jp guy who did the initial math was up at 6am tweeting about it
dull plinth
I would assume there was if they acknowledged there was an issue.
Raven's skills seem to "expose" a "bug".
That wasn't here at the start of the game but showed up around SSakura's addition.
outer glen
Guys, what If ShiftUp mess up Raven during the fix and have to close Solo Raid, so we would get a compensation reward?
dull plinth
That "bug" is the 1.5s delay of the first DoT tick.
outer glen
I mean, that did happen during Cindy's patch
dull plinth
Which, in Raven's case, fucks up her damage because her basic attack interval is 2.0secs.
outer glen
yup
shy crane
the jp guy who did the initial math was up at 6am tweeting about it
good guy japan saving raven
tacit hull
lol @ peeps trying to find reasons to why they react
it's always about the money. skin sale is shit, so they get to fixin
outer glen
the jp guy who did the initial math was up at 6am tweeting about it
Plot twist: he didn't freshly wake up, he never slept though.
dull plinth
Well, looking at Hayde's clip, without spamshotting, manual gives 20% damage improvement.
Around that.
So I hope fix will make her autoable.
Too.
Otherwise... 🤷♂️
Enjoy manualing.
shy crane
lol @ peeps trying to find reasons to why they react
it's always about the money...
they still make skins for characters who have no place in the meta so that doesn't track
outer glen
^
Skins always have values in collab
unlike under normal cirsumstance, because collab skins are limited, even for a trash unit, the skin have a collection value.
boreal hound
It's first
clear trellis
first tick actually happens too fast lmao. Before any Full Burst bonus
it happens immediately in B3 phase
boreal hound
limpid kindle
SSS tier copium still alive
shy crane
what are the chances shift up can rework the dot system before challenge mode opens for sr
clear trellis
soon
shy crane
i smell lovely compensation
clear trellis
luckily I don't test heavily today due to work
waste of time for a bug unit
couldn't be me
dull plinth
waste of time for a bug unit
This
crisp ether
nah they better buff both
it's their own ip
i pulled and bought all passes/skins without giving it much of a thought
clear trellis
Eve has no room to buff
crisp ether
i'm probably gonna chill till 3rd aniversary if they did nothing.
clear trellis
her kit is just there
the only way to sneak a buff is increasing her AS by 2x amount
or 24 shot/s
limpid kindle
or change crit dmg value
smoky saffron
buff Ssakura and Nihillster and raven while ur at it SU.. all 3 are hot
crisp ether
Eve has no room to buff
nah it's easy, they just need to make her do 10% debuff to all element & 20% on iron
atleast so i can use her more
crisp ether
ya but key is how often i can use it
smoky saffron
bro if u read her description pre skill release.. it seemed like eve would do something that (debuff all elements or do different debuffs to different elements)
flat nacelle
If they fix raven she will become Mr beast
crisp ether
i don't need them to be super strong
but easy to slot in everywhere
so i can use them more
instead of just replacing them outright
strong crag
I mean them making the units mid eat into the skin income too
so doubly weird how they made both suck
flat nacelle
So sad
ruby veldt
Love how we are essentially QA testers for Nikke.
The player is the tester kekw
near topaz
They only post ingame notice when they found something bugged or being too weak
sneon after su buff her
raven forum
The player is the tester kekw
steep shell
https://tenor.com/view/always-severus-snape-harry-potter-alan-rickman-gif-176249...
Time to be top 1 SEA?
raven forum
Time to be top 1 SEA?
With my other Iron nikke have 1 ele line
ivory dirge
graceful lynx
I understand that she's bugged and needs to be used manually, but how are you even supposed to get more than 1 stack for Raven? It doesn't register that she has more than one stack
Or maybe how do you tell you have max stacks on the enemy, since it doesn't register anywhere. Or is that the ashy effect fluttering up from Raven?
shy crane
you can tell the same with as you can tell with blanc's dmg taken debuff
graceful lynx
That's not really an answer to my question. "Just look at the numbers?"
ruby imp
they prob fixin raven
shy crane
they should buff eve it's nasty how she's neglected
it has to do with her face looking like the ceo's wife
and raven's face looking like the ceo's ex
stable onyx
lmao
outer glen
they prob fixin raven
#1380852295247466563 message
Sorry guys, I jinxed it...
flint sapphire
Yeah the Eve face looks like a nendroid head. Eyes are way too big and the face too small specially on her gacha skin
flat nacelle
they prob fixin raven
Freebies
smoky saffron
She got too animed in her conversion from stellar blade to nikke..
Raven face looks better in nikke tho
strong crag
Bruh I was too lazy to do sr in my alt
limpid kindle
nice patch
vast lagoon
Raven looks phenomenal in Nikke
limpid kindle
small indie company
vast lagoon
genuinely one of the best designs Nikke has had in ages
strong crag
Yea nikke raven is peak raven
outer glen
@jaunty fern you get your wish, Raven will be fixed 
dim epoch
"We worked hard to bring you the best Collab"
Didn't they put out a big post about how they would work into improving the quality of the collabs after the eva one ? 
outer glen
I said before SU should fix bugs or else they will get more problematic in a future, and we are in that future
graceful folio
they said they "put in a lof of effort for this SB collab"
outer glen
dumb devs, never leave bugs leave long especially in a game that require update constantly
graceful folio
yeah, sure
dim epoch
Pointless point I know but how do they put out a unit that the community flag in less than 20 min as having a broken kit.
shy crane
"We worked hard to bring you the best Collab"
Didn't they put out a big post abo...
how can you improve after eva
both times these characters were around top tier right after release
they also promised to improve after csm then we got that horrid story from nier collab and characters we don't use today
outer glen
for offline games, it's fine when the bugs exist because offline games don't update per two weeks. With update, it can trigger the bugs.
shy crane
i'm curious how they will fix raven
outer glen
DoT started in Nihilister, and spreading slowly, to Raven.
viral kiln
Haran has dot
graceful folio
how can you improve after eva
both times these characters were around top tier ...
not only that, only ReiT is argubly the unit that become obsolete of all the Eva collab units
dim epoch
i'm curious how they will fix raven
By breaking something else trust
outer glen
They can patch her, but that doesn't fix DoT's dmg type, they need to get serious about DoT's patch.
outer glen
Haran has dot
Harran only got the bug after certain patch.
river spoke
By breaking something else trust
thats almost certainly what happened
they tried to fix raven and then realised every other dot char is fucked
so they had to take more time to fix it 
shy crane
they don't fix characters in 24h tbf
outer glen
depend
viral kiln
they don't test so it can be possible
outer glen
but I hope they didn't rush bandaid it like they did with Cindy
they fixed the bug in two days just to realize the bug still exist in another form
those days were fun
You know, if SU band-aid patch my waifu Raven, I will lose my shit.
shy crane
just increase numbers simple fix
jaunty fern
Common knowledge in Nikke:
tulip flame
No parts at the start?
Wait, I'm wrong
Before launching some attack, the boss is "glowing". You can destroy the parts that glow, and it counts as destroying a part.
I wasn't sure because they didn't have an health bar, but after testing, yeah, they count as part.
Do we know if Providence has a core btw ?
bronze sun
It does, but only shows up after destroying the wipe mechanic
tulip flame
When you destroy the glowing parts too I think, I just got a red hit 
Basically each time the boss is "stunned"
Snow Malding is real 
gloomy topaz
yay snow malding is real 
latent crest
possible update on this DoT situation but still investigating (delayed cus at work)
Mihara's DoT does not appear to be working the same as all other DoTs
All other DoTs tick 90 frames after application/update/refresh
Mihara's DoT during full burst appears to be ticking 30 frames after application/update/refresh
Instead of the time-based tick being delayed due to the forced single tick on application, Mihara's next time-based tick appears to be accelerated instead
If Mihara's DoT was working the same, she would never be triggering her fully stacked DoT during full burst, as every 40 frames she would do 1 stack's worth of damage and then refresh the 90 frame delay
shy crane
so a good fix would be to nerf mihara and call it a day
fiery pollen
i don't get why DoTs tick 90 frames when there's 60 per second
fallen moon
mihara's performed the way she does since half anni, where she was dealing dmg similar to her burst, too late to change that now 
also something i don't see talked about much
eva 1 vs sb is hilarious, even if you dropped mari
asuka1 and rei2 are versatile and give a ton of utility even if their dps isn't super high, but eve who is and "bugged" raven are insanely underwhelming for coming out what, like 9 months later? eve w rh tier dps that can be blown up if you invest into her, raven who apparently doesn't gain that much for parts or at least in ultra, while still dealing meme dmg w her "bugged" dot that can be improved by manualing her in a gross way
vs units who just work
latent crest
i don't get why DoTs tick 90 frames when there's 60 per second
there's technically 59 frames per second at 60 fps, because Shift Up
the first natural tick after application is 90 frames, all subsequent ticks after that are 59 frames
fallen moon
oh i thought you meant the engine technically is 59fps at first, not the dot
cosmic fable
yeah tbf it almost sounds like their DOT application in general is bugged and shitty coding while mihara was done correctly
latent crest
the engine is running at 60 fps, Shift Up decided to round how much time passes per frame to the nearest millisecond
cosmic fable
but who knows this is SU 
latent crest
this means that 17ms pass every frame at 60 fps, instead of 16 and 2/3 seconds
the result of that is that the game engine considers 1 second to have passed after 59 frames (1.003s of game time) at 60 fps
fallen moon
it's a miracle we had 60 mg bullets per second in that case
latent crest
we get 60 mg bullets per real second
as the time needed between bullets is less than the time between frames
but per in-game second you only get 59 mg bullets
fallen moon
why is this so wack
fallen moon
but per in-game second you only get 59 mg bullets
even at min fire rate fix?
latent crest
because in-game seconds are only 59 frames
fallen moon
mm yeah
latent crest
no, you'd need to divide by 0.017
and round up to the nearest whole number
so a 120s fight is 7059 frames (not counting things that cause time to stop like burst animations and full burst cutin)
divide that by 60 for real seconds and you get 117.65 real seconds
shy crane
funny how that works i never noticed
dull plinth
this means that 17ms pass every frame at 60 fps, instead of 16 and 2/3 seconds
I think that's because the game hovers between 59-60 and not 60.
17ms per frame is closer to "60 frames per real second".
Accounting for FPS drops too.
However, I think rounding up to, well, 60 frames per second is still easier to take in.
dull plinth
It rounds to the nearest integer.
latent crest
this is also what took so long to find how to properly calculate how many frames it takes for charging weapons to charge
my SBS only performs as she does due to both the time per frame being rounded and the rounding points in charge speed buffs
dull plinth
Since 60 frames per real second is actually 16.6667ms, it rounds up to 17ms. And 1000/17 ≈ 59 frames.
I assume that's the case.
latent crest
the real reason they round the time per frame is because of the fact that some bursts have bullet time effects
meaning they are constantly applying math to how much time is passing per frame
and at the end, it rounds the final result to the nearest millisecond
latent crest
min firing rate is not working properly for MGs
I cannot find math that reconciles all the issues I've found for it
I suspect it is just not implemented properly for them due to 🍝 code used to prevent MFRA from suddenly boosting MGs to their true coded firerate of 70 rounds per second
but it works "good enough" so people don't complain
with MFRA turned on, MGs do 60 bullets per real second at 60 fps, and 54 bullets per real second at 30 fps
with MFRA turned on and during bullet time effects, after adjusting for the time dilation from bullet time of 8x, MGs do 66 bullets per real second at 60 fps, and 48 bullets per real second at 30 fps
amber belfry
fallen moon
with MFRA turned on and during bullet time effects, after adjusting for the time...
bullet time?
fallen moon
ahhhhhhhh, like viper ok
ye
70 bullets per second on mgs vs 60 sounds stupid, i'm kinda wondering why they don't go ahead with it
apparently real smg is 24/s and not 20/s too
dull plinth
70 bullets per second on mgs vs 60 sounds stupid, i'm kinda wondering why they d...
We already know SMG been 24/s.
It had always been 1440 RPM.
But well the 60fps thing locks it to 20/s.
fallen moon
sure, it buff every mg and smg doing that and mess w crown s2 timeline but who cares, and no other weapons benefit, but missing 10 bullets per second and 4 respectively is quite a bit depending on where damage is sourced for that unit
boreal hound
dull plinth
MFRA fixed it to the actual 24.
boreal hound
dull plinth
Now, MG whatever.
fallen moon
MFRA fixed it to the actual 24.
i see
dull plinth
In Iron we trust
In "BUG FIX", we trust.
fallen moon
so if smgs can get +4, why can't mgs get +10
buffs old mgs like mod
buffs rapi
buffs asuka2 for even more insult
and so on
isn't that just just a win to shift up
clear trellis
one instance of burst goes exactly 60 frames no?
639 is 57m and 640th frame is 69m so 640th is the start instance (not first)
700th frame it triggers again
to be fair, it's like 58 frames but I consider +/- 1 2 frames to be record error. Well we can still consider 58 frames to be duration between 2 instances of DoT
latent crest
DoT ticks the frame before the number shows up, if the number showed up on frame 700 then it ticked on 699
clear trellis
it's frane 698th
I check the dmg display
not the dmg number
I guess 59 frames per proc
why do you put 30 frames here?
you mean the non burst version?
Last I check, if Mihara not shooting, it became 1s per tick
latent crest
if Mihara doesn't burst, there is a 30 frame gap between she triggers her "40 shots" effect and when the next natural tick of her DoT occurs
clear trellis
heh
latent crest
meaning she is applying/refresh/force ticking the DoT and then the DoT naturally ticks 30 frames later
leading to the behavior of her ticking every 40 frames when off burst
but this also means she is unique compared to all other DoTs currently
as instead of being delayed from 59 frames to 90 frames like all other DoTs
she instead accelerates from 59 frames to 30 frames
if it were to behave like all other current DoTs, her damage would be decimated
as she would never get a natural stack tick during full burst
clear trellis
ehh I only see 2 timings
- If Mihara keeps shooting, she will reapply DoT every 40 frames (40 shots).
- If Mihara procs a DoT then immediately stop shooting, next instance of DoT proc after 59 frames (1s ingame)
latent crest
yes, if she stops shooting then after the changed timing it goes back to 59 frames, as expected
clear trellis
then where is the 30 frames delay
latent crest
I'm just pointing out that for all other DoTs, after a forced tick from application, there is a 90 frame delay before the next natural tick, and then it goes back to 59 frames
but for specifically Mihara, the delay between forced tick and next natural tick is only 30 frames
clear trellis
I mean how do you calculate that 30 frames? Cuz we can only forcefully trigger it every 40 frames no?
latent crest
you look for the small tick, which is only 1 stack's worth of damage that will happen every 40 frames
then see how many frames until you get the next larger tick, which is the stack as a whole ticking
for Raven, and any other DoT, there would be a 90 frame gap between those
for Mihara, it is only 30
clear trellis
yeah, 30 frames.
Timing goes like
- Big Dot
- 10 frames later: Small DoT
- 30 frames later: Big DoT
- 10 frames later: Small DoT
So between each Big dot is still 40 frames, between each small DoT is also 40 frames
there's just small dot existed inbetween
latent crest
yea, the small dot is the "forced tick" from her skill activating due to having fired 40 times
clear trellis
ic, so the forced tick only applies to base S1, then 30 frames delay till high stacks is triggered
latent crest
yea, while for all other DoT units, the delay between forced activation and high stack triggering is 90 frames (think it's technically something like 88 frames)
clear trellis
Fatty DoT is also 90 frames right?
latent crest
I have not tested Bready yet, for Mana, Summer Sakura, and Nihilister
I can confirm 90 frames between application tick and next natural tick
clear trellis
I can confirm 88 frames too
so only Midhara has the privilege of 30 frames
so shock
glacial elm
they prob fixin raven
ShiftUp is closing Solo Raid 
glacial elm
What. But my rewards!
clear trellis
now claim your 300 gems
latent crest
we only get 1 day's worth of resource as compensation this time 
flat nacelle
Closing solo raid because they want us to clear it with op raven , man what a nice company 🙂
glacial elm
Yeah, Solo Raid is already gone. RIP late clearers
latent crest
Didn't shift up say a couple months ago that they were going to improve QA so they didn't have a repeat of bugs closing Solo Raid? 
glacial elm
It just means they can only accept what QA told them
QA: “Raven’s good, her booty shook enough and the damage she dealt was fine”
ShiftUp: 
Players: 
clear trellis
remind me of a game breaking bug in Witcher 3
which required you to choose not fuck Triss silly
guess what
no QA chose that
shy crane
based qa
tacit hull
can't thay just do the obvious thing of
organizing some focused testing groups, instead of having everyone doing their own thing?
shy crane
the witcher 3 had a billion bugs
latent crest
the obvious thing at this point is to have players test in a beta/alpha environment
clearly whatever they have for a QA team is grossly insufficient at this point
tacit hull
if they have a real qa team then the current EN localization team shouldn't exist
because they would get combed over long before
glacial elm
I don’t remember obvious EN translation failures in this event
Though if they subverted the translation, I wouldn’t know
tacit hull
I was poking at how the en ream is so bad it needs its own personal qa team
tawdry turret
fiery pollen
cheaper to just give out virtual items they can conjure out of their ass as compensation rather than use real money for testers
flat nacelle
I don't know what issue with raven actually is but if it's about dot not procing every second or something then it would be funny if they just slapped charge speed on her kit
pale sorrel
What are the odds that the other DOT units will become good or trash if SU is going to change or fix Raven?
pale sorrel
I don't know what issue with raven actually is but if it's about dot not procing...
slapping ch speed is legit bandaid fix
cunning saffron
for dot to be buffed, you better pray SU will release a pilgrim version first
tacit hull
counterpoint: raid is delayed even longer than behemoth's
because they will break all dot units
guarantee
glacial elm
What are the odds that the other DOT units will become good or trash if SU is go...
ShiftUp still has the cheap solution. Remove dot from Raven
glacial elm
They can just make her RL shots be sustained damage type, and adjust numbers to deal average damage they expected her to actually deal, after removing her dots. End of drama 
Boring but works and no painful 24/7 bugfix and testing craze
smoky saffron
Just wait for hansel/gretel kit for anni.. i bet it will be giga complicated/possibly bugged
bronze sun
I won't complain about free extra mats tho
cunning saffron
And not math
don't you want to see bigger number shaking around?
flint sapphire
for dot to be buffed, you better pray SU will release a pilgrim version first
For DOT to be buffed you have to wait for CN to fix the coding and release it as QOL on CN server first then SU will be forced to do something in global like what is happening right now.
dull plinth
@latent crest @clear trellis I dont think Mihara has special treatment. It's just her S2 is a stack increase/refresh and not reapplication.
latent crest
if that were the case we wouldn't see the 1 stack's worth of damage ticking on proc after 40 shots
dull plinth
if that were the case we wouldn't see the 1 stack's worth of damage ticking on p...
I think the 30 frame procs or 10 frame whatever that was is...
Just a result of stack increase
Which deals current stack damage
latent crest
every 40 frames we see 1 stack's worth of damage tick, this is due to having fired 40 shots
dull plinth
And reset timer to 30 frames
latent crest
30 frames after each of those, we then see the full stack of DoT tick
dull plinth
Hence it is tied to the skill increasing/refreshing stack
Not applying a new effect which gets treated as stack
Both reset and add different delay amounts ig
This is the only debuff stack increase we know so far
latent crest
the delay is consistently 30 frames for my test, Gatrox's test, and Sky's test
the odds that 3 of us happened to line up with that timeline on the first try each is too astronomically low
it is the act of the stack getting force ticked from her 40 shots fired condition that is changing the time line
dull plinth
the odds that 3 of us happened to line up with that timeline on the first try ea...
No, the reason why Mihara's delay is 30 frames and not 90 frames is because Mihara's S2 increases debuff stack
It does not apply a new effect that gets treated as a new stack
I think
Who knows
Im sure its just a different skill
latent crest
checked my recording for the very start of the fight when the DoT is first applied
it is still 30 frames after initial application for Mihara
for all other DoT units on initial application, it is 90 frames
dull plinth
Heh
So they hardcoded things
No wonder
Imma just sip my tea and watch SR get delayed by 1 month
shy crane
since they already fucked up the balance with collabs they might as well do a proper job make her broken too also buff eve wtf dumb devs
shy crane
that would be an ideal world
flat nacelle
Remove dot from the game bruh
glacial elm
What were they trying to avoid with specifying 90 frames instead of 60?
flat nacelle
For answer to that question I think you should go back to first ever dot character
tacit hull
who?
atomic leaf
Imma just sip my tea and watch SR get delayed by 1 month
Cancel this month raid since it's ady late
smoky saffron
They should fix the dumb interaction between mihara/police girl while they are testing
bronze sun
UR will start at the usual SR time now 
shy crane
i prefer all content packed closely together so that's good
regal pebble
Just delay to next month at this point along with next month sr i dont mind just please no sr and ur together 
shy crane
if people really don't want sr and ur close together
it would be best to cancel solo raid
no iron raid is fair
smoky saffron
Yeah let's get back to fire and electric raids.. its been a while
glacial elm
That’s evil
No Iron solo raid for a year, then they give us a taste of levels 1 to 3 clear
Then they close it and say sorry boys and girls, Iron solo raid cancelled. Back to Electric solo raid next
clear cloak
"sorry we couldnt figure out how to fix raven. Eve crit was a mistake as we dont know how to change crit values as we hardcoded them instead of using variables. Here is another fire raid"
regal pebble
"yall wanted raven fixed? We just removed iron raid because we could sense players having too much fun"
flat nacelle
Let us defeat rapture queen already 😭
gloomy condor
"Dont worry, we will release a unit that will fix Raven's problems in 4 months"
acoustic lake
jokes on you, there's probably more than one rapture queen
flat nacelle
😦
crisp oracle
B..but buff soon?
quaint garnet
Solo raid closed "That's So Raven!"
jaunty fern
the obvious thing at this point is to have players test in a beta/alpha environm...
I'd agree but if they just approach most random players they won't have much either
They need to approach either people in top unions or top solo raid players as a bare minimum
Someone who knows how the game works and has the math behind it, at least 2-3 people like that
And afaik there's not many people like that, even top SR players are piloted here and there
Unless they strictly do a top 10
Because currently it's pretty clear there's an open source testing spree for the last 3 years now to make up for the mistakes of paid workers
latent crest
I'd agree but if they just approach most random players they won't have much eit...
I agree that just a random sample of players wouldn't do any better of a job. I'd say it shouldn't be that hard for them to isolate the players that research the game or know it at a deep level, even if they only pulled from social media or content creators. But then again, I also gave them the specific set of buffs required to make SBS stop working and got told they couldn't replicate the issue so... (That bug also still isn't fixed)
jaunty fern
I agree that just a random sample of players wouldn't do any better of a job. I...
They also have to have a sense of who emails them these bugs too
jaunty fern
I agree that just a random sample of players wouldn't do any better of a job. I...
Lol that SBS thing is just unfortunate
wispy geyser
So raven is gtting updated
flint sapphire
Have to wait and see. Might just be another summer neon where they buff just a teenie tiny bit and call it a day
glacial elm
Yeah. In that case, Summer Neon was horrible with burst. Then they "buffed" her. Still horrible with burst.
orchid socket
outer glen
CEO Kim waiting for AI to debugg
🥱
When you look at Stellar Blade, you can see bugs as well
Recently, SB hang on PC when close the game.
thorny forge
this is what happens when your games keep expanding but your workforce/efficiency doesn't 
outer glen
Latest patch.
outer glen
this is what happens when your games keep expanding but your workforce/efficienc...
We know ShiftUp use the tactic of fire and rehire non-important programmers, because their profile on linkedin say so.
outer glen
Core programmers can't carry everything you know, and rehire mean retraining.
Also, they do rush deadline.
devout anvil
i still cant run nikke on my nvidia card
winter ledge
i still cant run nikke on my nvidia card
Nikke is CPU bound
devout anvil
even the graphics?
shadow rivet
did raven get buffed?
dull plinth
Core programmers can't carry everything you know, and rehire mean retraining.
So different programmers each time?
No wonder they have so many interns.
outer glen
So different programmers each time?
Not like different each week, it goes with a contract.
dull plinth
Not like different each week, it goes with a contract.
Not surprising.
Some companies do that nowadays.
Cheaper but requires retraining and gets the "permanent workers" potentially pissed off having to retrain/get used to new devs.
outer glen
Interns I guess just a start position, even if you are an experience worker, SU will only give you the starting position.
Yeah in a big grand of scheme, companies shouldn't allow to play employees like pulling gacha, but here we are.
In KR's companies, elite workers do like 80% of the work, so they must be kept. The rest can be substituted.
smoky saffron
Seems like they can't keep up with a character release every 2 weeks.. especially since now the kits got more "complicated" then older releases
shy moth
solution is go back to non meta units until a month before a celebration and the own celebration like before
but maybe the numbers went down a lot and this isnt a possibility
smoky saffron
I wish they did more in filling out GOOD supports for specific damage types (like true damage)
Low key Maids are my favorite/most interesting release this year (Rapi was too broken)
clear trellis
I just need a good b2 CDR to support true dmg
Frima is huge lol
in case True dmg becomes meta, Frima will be the strongest buffer there
smoky saffron
That would be good.. so the default best support option for every dps is not just crown
Wouldn't need to powercreep crown either
gloomy topaz
I just need a good b2 CDR to support true dmg
This guy thinking in Laplace even in Raven thread
drowsy lantern
They should just do an entire testing subserver like how League of Legends has PBE and World of Tanks has RU supertest server
clear trellis
we actually have
drowsy lantern
Give players infinite resources to reset and invest in units and a locked 400 battle mode with selection for all bosses 
drowsy lantern
Though I guess that's too dangerous for a gacha game. People wouldn't spend as much if they could better figure out efficient investment
strong crag
Frima is huge lol
indeed she is running a sleeper build 
crisp oracle
I wish they did more in filling out GOOD supports for specific damage types (lik...
true damage is dead (was never alive in the first place though)
shy crane
laplace's real strength is killing electric in ca
shift up promised us buffs for defense whatever the fuck that may entail
could be good for laplace
clear trellis
yeah they promise looking into SMG too
fiery pollen
shift up promised us buffs for defense whatever the fuck that may entail
when did they say this
wut
shy crane
was either a dev interview or dev note earlier this year
shy crane
yeah they promise looking into SMG too
i believe they did deliver on a buff for an smg character
soline
graceful folio
not killing your own teammate is not a buff
dull plinth
Buff to make them playable.
Not even A/S tier.
At most S tier.
Is as pointless as anything.
dull plinth
Stop making fake promises.
They do that too often.
EVERY thing.
Is a fake promise.
outer glen
So now we are here, starving on both Raven and solo raid because ShiftUp can't cook... again.
latent crest
don't worry, now shift up has to fix 2 bugs before they can open SR again
latent crest
cus now they'll have to tackle this if they fix/buff Raven's DoT
jaunty fern
cus now they'll have to tackle this if they fix/buff Raven's DoT <a:kekwtf:10084...
How did you manage to do this
For the record to anyone who doesn't understand
He is full charging shots with no animation delay
flint warren
where tf the animation go
latent crest
How did you manage to do this
I believe sky is going to make a video on this, we're still investigating the full extent of this and all ways it can be achieved
jaunty fern
I believe sky is going to make a video on this, we're still investigating the fu...
Is this even beneficial in its current state?
latent crest
for Raven? No
for the other units that can also do this? Yes
jaunty fern
for Raven? No
for the other units that can also do this? Yes
I only have one question
does this need manual or does it happen on auto as well
Cuz if it can happen on auto it's pretty bruh for PvP
latent crest
I only have one question
does this need manual or does it happen on auto as wel...
it requires manual input of keys, but it can be done while auto is turned on
languid cobalt
For the record to anyone who doesn't understand
He is full charging shots with...
So..basically no projectile travel huh
Bugs just keeps piling up, smh su
pale sorrel
languid cobalt
At least cindy has great baseline, raven just mid
shy crane
if you find a hidden tech that makes raven broken
you keep that shit hidden
until after they are done with raven fixes at least
they can always patch it but the chances they patch it are lower than if shift up notices while they are busy with raven anyway
the tech seems to be as simple as pressing cover twice as soon as she fires
can't be done in pvp
winter ledge
Yeah, please wait until the last 1-2 days Re:Solo Raid is about to end before spreading 
strong crag
This solo raid gonna get cancelled at this rate lol
strong crag
cus now they'll have to tackle this if they fix/buff Raven's DoT <a:kekwtf:10084...
Bro fixed Raven with one simple trick
Shiftup hates him
dull plinth
cus now they'll have to tackle this if they fix/buff Raven's DoT <a:kekwtf:10084...
A2?
latent crest
the forced delay on any unit that has one can be skipped as far as we can tell
potent ruin
cus now they'll have to tackle this if they fix/buff Raven's DoT <a:kekwtf:10084...
Delete this
This is my first time seeing this tech. How much does this fix her?
dull plinth
the forced delay on any unit that has one can be skipped as far as we can tell
So someone used this tech on mod raid huh
flint sapphire
Where is the Raven enrichment at?
dull plinth
don't worry, now shift up has to fix 2 bugs before they can open SR again
Dont tell them
Make them reopen SR
Then report this bug
Get cooked.
latent crest
my SBS can get over 30 shots in burst using this
clear trellis
latent crest
just when people were saying neutral SBS was falling off 
raven forum
latent crest
covering is not the only way to do it, as I've found out
so that's why we're trying to find all the ways it can be done
cosmic fable
intern be like 
outer glen
"Shit, I don't get pay enough for this."
tacit hull
interns get paid?
fiery pollen
yea, with free work experience
tacit hull
shy crane
advertisement
glossy eagle
not viable for anybody besides macroers
rly should just be bannable
well ig it is bannable their ac just sucks and they dont care
shy crane
or you know
fix the fucking game
instead of leaving in mechanics that need macros for perfect play
glossy eagle
ye thats the obv solution so didnt talk about it
idk its just annoying how accepted macros are in this game
latent crest
they would've been better off just adding an in-game macro system
shy crane
that could have been fun too ngl
latent crest
that's how you truly level the playing field, make the tool more accessible
rather than try and fail to solve an unsolvable problem
shy crane
well alice's case they can make her auto play as fast as macros are allowed to be
and in these characters with a delay just remove the delay
it's a buff fuck it let ppl have a buff
steep glen
rather than try and fail to solve an unsolvable problem
just enable chibi
latent crest
don't talk to me about the chibi combat engine 
steep glen
imagine having a easy fix available and not doing it 
theres a button for it on fools day 1 iirc 
literally already in game
cosmic fable
latent crest
Oh yea, I'll also include that we've tested what happens if Raven shoots faster than her forced tick, to see if Mihara's unique behavior arises from reapplying the DoT before the delay tick has a chance to tick
No, Raven's stacks just won't tick if you beat the forced delay. This proves that Mihara's unique 30 frame delay isn't due to a bug that arises from her reapplying faster than the delayed tick, Mihara has proveably unique coding to her forced delay.
latent crest
This comes with the implication that some developer, at some point, was made aware of the fact that this forced delay can brick DoTs. Instead of fixing it overall, they just gave Mihara unique handling and adjusted sliders until she wasn't bricked by being offburst
latent crest
the tester even said "now that's a lotta damage" after the Mihara "fix"
clear cloak
why am i getting spammed with charge speed and charge damage lines only for raven lmfao
shy crane
you shouldn't roll her lines until we know how they fix her
it's possible charge speed becomes valuable
spice finch
what do you guys think
Until end of event
glacial elm
why am i getting spammed with charge speed and charge damage lines only for rave...
Yeah, don't roll - there isn't even a Solo Raid to care about with Raven rn
Otherwise tears will flow if you rolled off black line charge damage and charge speed after new Raven shows her BiS OL effects are x4 ele, x4 chspd, x4 chdmg
(Unlikely, but who knows?)
quaint garnet
Raven going from "She definitely better than Eve who is mid" to "Don't even fucking bother" is case to studied by future nikke scientists
mortal spear
Raven going from "She definitely better than Eve who is mid" to "Don't even fuck...
its cause shes bugged
mathematically shes way better than eve
but the game coding doesnt line up with the math
shrewd oxide
steep glen
just look into the future and find how they will bug things 
fiery pollen
if you're given the gift of foresight you won't install the game in the first place
glacial elm
Surely before too few days remaining to end of collab, for a full duration solo raid to occur
orchid socket
plis till end of collab
stuck snow
Shift up must be made up of like 99% artists and 1 programmer