[Soda: Twinkling Bunny] New Unit Megathread

[fierce lake]

Oh I'm not investing into tove rn. Waiting for Alice to drop to see if I need to bump tove's s1 to 9

and I don't have xmica

[tribal salmon]

B Alice alone would be able to keep Tove's stacks up
...with infinite ammo

[charred swan]

if she keeps just on tove

idk if thats good enough cope

[rose mango]

i think soda outdpses mpriv on neutral

[charred swan]

how long can she keep her burst effects up

[rose mango]

Skill lvl7, at end of first burst i have 42 stacks

during mpriv burst i go up to 50

this is if tove keeps her s2 atk speed up all the time

tove is 999

tove s2 prolly works at 7 too for soda

or well, definitely does

higher always better ofc

[charred swan]

xmica keeps the stacks up on everyone right

[rose mango]

yeah

[charred swan]

so with balice it might be scuffed

[rose mango]

but alice will keep tove s2 up all the time

its only tove burst that is hindered

[charred swan]

oh

ok then

[rose mango]

since tove s2 depends on herself only

her own stacks

[charred swan]

thats so dumb man

they should change tove on the balice patch

[rose mango]

only thing hindered by alice is possible her atk buff stacks

like, the atk buff she gives

so essentially you want tove to ALWAYS have 3 stacks when going into next burst

so like the cooldown period between one burst to another, tove needs to have 3 stacks

since we have like 9 bursts over 3 minutes due to no cdr, this means that you have 9 spots of the game where you want rng to favour you

it is an insanely big improvement for sg team rng

its basically nothing compared to what we currently have

[charred swan]

we don't have anything rn

[fierce lake]

3 stacks vs 5 stacks without external feeding

yeah I'll take it

[charred swan]

so thats not a real comparison but ok

was going to skip but soda made me pull

[rose mango]

xMica is lvl4 s2

[charred swan]

I hope balice comes early because I'm just missing her and I can't spark because I have to spark shlem

[rose mango]

so 196 attacks for one stack up

[charred swan]

I'm getting baited on sg banners too much

[fierce lake]

I'm one of the idiots that rolled on ALL sg banners
you're not alone

[rose mango]

196/20 = ~10
it would actually be 40-41 stacks without xMica

if my soda had ammo this wouldnt be a problem

[charred swan]

are you also f2p

[cold sluice]

I'm also F2P

[fierce lake]

bought like two 20$ packs, so kiiiinda

[rose mango]

confirmation

[charred swan]

my brethren

[rose mango]

without xMica

soda reloaded once in both bursts, so i got cucked and lost 2 stacks

that still is enough tho cuz losing 2 stacks over 5 bursts is absolutely fine i think

u still have over 30 stacks for every burst still i think

1-2 ammo is prolly the play

1 is prolly enough but 2 is comfy

[cold sluice]

[sweet panther]

Soda is also inflating the crap out of mprivs dps

By giving her extra full burst time +atk DMG up

[rose mango]

yeah, shes just better

[cold sluice]

Waiting for BAlice so she can save my Sugar

[rose mango]

nothing is saving sugar

shes dead

[cold sluice]

At least she's stronger than my MPriv

If goes to Iron Weak

[charred swan]

have you tried with boda?

extended fb might edge out for mpriv

[rose mango]

u got like 80% ele

[charred swan]

holy

[rose mango]

mpriv is like, pretty decent even on iron weak

[cold sluice]

Discord PC dead

My Sugar only have 41% ele

No ammo

I tried with Noir since she's same with BAlice

On ammo refund

[rose mango]

this is 2 ele soda, i think mpriv does pretty well

[cold sluice]

Sugar reload at last 3 FB sec

Which means

If I can pull 1 ammo line

Then she can shoot for whole 15sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM8bYg9kAog

[rose mango]

hmm damn

sugar creeps in very close

[cold sluice]

This is not a comparison anw

BSoda 0atk 0 ele

[quartz orchid]

tried ele neutral boss?

[cold sluice]

MPriv wins

It's obv

Sugar only win if comes to Iron Weak

Netraul MPriv is stronger alot

[charred swan]

next sr is iron weak

[cold sluice]

With perfect lines

Sugar

[rose mango]

yeah thats why hes talking about

sugar

hmm, damn

[cold sluice]

Honestly i dont want to waste rocks on her

But have to consider

last priority anw

since all my dps are bricked

[tight grove]

last raid we had a sugar monster that guy will make her pop off

[rose mango]

deo

[opal lantern]

9 chips per FB, must be 2x max ammo

Oh there is XMica

[rose mango]

ye, simulating Alice

[opal lantern]

Alice doesnt boost her stacks

[rose mango]

but gives ammo

alice gives perma s2

[lucid nest]

Mica doesn't boost the chip?

[opal lantern]

How much max ammo OL on Soda

Also XMica boosts the same amount of ammo

U dumb

[rose mango]

she does, +1 stack per 10-12s

[rose mango]

27%

with bastion

[opal lantern]

I didnt calculate the Reload for the sheet lmao

[lucid nest]

Alice is 5s let's say per 1 chip

over 35s (2 15s FB + 5s fill)

she gives 7 chips

[opal lantern]

I will update the rentry to also reflect OL > boosts Alice reload

Damn wrong chat

[dense flame]

Now that she is out for one day. How good do you think she is?

[rose mango]

pins

[summer lily]

it's probably better that i 4 piece OL xlud over soda if i have 1 set of tetra gear yeah?

or have to see what dps will look like once new alice comes for the consistency boost to tove?

[foggy anchor]

Wait

[heavy flint]

No mats

[desert minnow]

Hi, is Bsoda limited?

[warped kite]

no

[desert minnow]

K. Thxx

[copper cairn]

Question. Would a Crown Rapunzel team have more damage output than the Tove shotgun team?

[misty estuary]

I mean yeah, I tried last SR S.Anis vs Sugar with no OLs and based on the rough dmg, based on the results i calculated that I needed some p strong lines just to hit the same amount of damage

So it just works out to high cost, low reward

[foggy anchor]

With BSoda DPS in both teams or different DPSes?

[opal lantern]

Untestable without B. Alice.

[thick remnant]

Soda's kit is incomprehensible to me, but I don't know enough about the game to understand if a character is good or bad even when using them. For someone too smooth brain to tell what any character does at any time, is Soda good enough to pull for or should I just wait for summer or whatever?

I have never done a nikke summer event, but generally speaking swimsuit characters are always strong in most gacha games right?

[fierce lake]

@thick remnantthat depends on whether or not you have tove or other shotgun-dedicated units

[dry tendon]

I see

[fierce lake]

If you haven't built up your first three SR teams, skip. Otherwise, the shotgun team is a viable next goal

[thick remnant]

.....I should have teams based on weapons?

[dry tendon]

Hmm

[thick remnant]

I have Sugar for shotguns at least

[dry tendon]

Maybe i should pull

But i dunno

I Rly want bikini nikkes

[thick remnant]

I gotta be honest i just go "who is on the tier list" and level them up. I have absolutely zero idea how to team build in this game

[fierce lake]

yeah sounds like you have no idea what Soda is for. Just check the pin and scroll down.

[thick remnant]

All i know is Liter is burst 1, Crown is burst 2, everything else I just do whatever

[fierce lake]

If SR isn't your priority then do whatever you want

[dry tendon]

That's the bad thing. I read It

[thick remnant]

Oh I do have Leona and Maid Privaty though

[dry tendon]

But i dont have tove or leona

Only M.privaty

So the dolla combo

[thick remnant]

Wait. Does SR stand for solo raid and not sniper rifle?

[fierce lake]

yeah

[thick remnant]

Well, no pressure on either bunny girls right? I assume they're going into the wishlist?

[fierce lake]

in a way, Bsoda is also a pvp queen because she's a clip sg (thus gives great burst generation)
so if you're into some good passive gem income, she's a good pull too

For some people (like me), pulling them completes the shotgun team, thus giving out a functional team 4 for solo raid
so for me, I actually value them more than the summer limited pulls

[thick remnant]

...I somehow don't recall ever getting gems out of PVP

I thought it was just for tickets for the shop

[summer lily]

they come in your mailbox so probably just didn't notice when u click claim all

[fierce lake]

about 2400 per month if you have any pvp knowledge at all

[thick remnant]

Again I just look at who I have and who is rated top tier in a PVP tier list, then I mash them all into a party

[fierce lake]

just go to #pvp-arena-discussion , post your nikke box and goal (for example, you want to get at least diamond 10)
someone will help eventually

[thick remnant]

Diamond?

....Does the arena have ranks like that?. I'm looking at it now and like, there's a star number I guess

[fierce lake]

it's literally on the right of the rookie arena
that's the mode that gives our gems as rewards

[thick remnant]

The one that unlocks after chapter 11 of the story?

Ah right I'm silver. I gotta be honest, I've completely given up on that one

Everyone is lv200, sometimes higher. At the lowest, 190ish

So like, at least 40 levels higher than me. I just click on the first result with quick battle on so i can instantly lose and still get my arena runs in

I'm aware refresh exists, but it just cycles through the same 4 or 5 pages and its way too hard for me

[digital ginkgo]

collection item

[rose mango]

Depends on the DPS you use, but given that you use redhood, Alice, modernia, or any of the meta DPS combos

Crown Rapunzel >>> tove team

[rose mango]

Yeah that's what I was assuming

But considering shinono only needs 40% ele to beat his mPriv out, maybe bis mPriv not that good I guess

Thanks for the clarification tho

Cuz I got confused on how good sugar really is

[rose mango]

Also think of the fact that

Crown Rapunzel can fit in ANY DPS you want to fit between them

But tove Leona only fit in SGs

[misty estuary]

I mean based on calcs it shouldn't really be close?

I think intuitively, M.Priv's ATK buff advantage should mostly offset any mediocre level of element, M.Priv's damage is higher on the off-burst, and then M.Priv's shooting uptime/own burst also gets factored in

I feel like the only way M.Priv can lose to a non-mid-built sugar is if pellets are being missed in shooting range

cause I knew when the boss jumps far back, my own M.Priv with 30% hit rate can connect with all pellets still

but prior to those lines she was missing pellets and dropping S2 when the boss jumps far

[rose mango]

I assumed that maybe his mPriv isn't fully maxed I guess?

Like
Idk how sugar reaching even near mPriv cuz mPriv with soda is like, built different

[copper cairn]

Is Rapunzel in that team just to proc Crown S2? If so wouldnt Crown BAlice be way superior since it would be full team perma damage buff?

[rose mango]

Probably yes

[copper cairn]

I know BAlice not out yet but I wonder if Crown replacing Leona in SG team would make the team way stronger considering Crown alone is enough is stronger the current SG team

[tribal salmon]

SR is about Total Damage from 5 teams.
Crown can boost SG team damage, but with the cost of total damage

It's a like putting Crown into SW team

[charred swan]

its time for your cashout ,boda and balice will save them

[rose mango]

Skyjlv copium

[quartz orchid]

really need to wait for balice, who’s supposed to fix tove malding

for real tests

[charred swan]

he is

still testing soda

on stream

his yapps are good

at least it manages to entertain an audience

[rose mango]

On stream, yeah

But his yt vids are

So much yap nowadays

Like his last vid was 90% yapping

[rose mango]

His streams are much better

[fierce lake]

it's theorycrafting. How are you supposed to make a tc video less wordy lol

[tight grove]

by skipping all the fluff

he does a lot of 'i'm going to do this going to do that oh actually wait never mind what if we do this oh wait no well i'm going to put this here in that position and then well but what if well okay right?'

cut it out the video not hard

[lucid nest]

my Soda has 15% charge speed

holy cow

[fluid stag]

Imagine that CS in sbs

[unborn wave]

im sure SG team built can compete with final shot

[charred swan]

final shot already dead dw

[unborn wave]

[cold sluice]

My Mrpiv is trash

[rose mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003328303437992016/1246498059215573002/sodatier.png?ex=665c9b48&is=665b49c8&hm=df50d510af4be3d69b9de49cee09e1a99f382a7840c57b6531390116d5dbee31&

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-soda-bunny

[fierce lake]

but the exodia isn't completed

[unborn wave]

i understand having limited options brings her down some

but s anis is fairly limited in team comp too

[rose mango]

SAnis doesn't have the range problem

[unborn wave]

i suppose

but soda also has a additional dmg proc as well

it is a decent bit lower though yeah

[dry tendon]

S.anis

Is very versatile

We can use her with most combos

I Will sit this one for summer

[unborn wave]

i mean she only goes on final shot realistically though

unlike some other dps that can move between bunnies and tiga

[fierce lake]

I don't understand why bastion is rec over resil

maybe if your shotty has 3 ammo lines (like my mpriv for some godforsaken reason)

[unborn wave]

cause of the animation delay

and balice would stall reload anyways

plus tove and alice both increasing max ammo

she could easily get like

with mine

24 ammo

with just one ammo roll

so

[lucid nest]

Then understand

Bastion = x1.4286 final ammo

[unborn wave]

[robust beacon]

I cannot believe how off-putting this Live2D model is

All the other scenes with her are fine/good, but the lobby and battle are uncanny

[summer lily]

Idm the lobby but the battle cover pose looks like that gorilla girl meme from old early 2000s YT poops

Idky but it just reminds me of the face for some weird reason xD

[lucid nest]

You do it

[stiff compass]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-its-over-over-blade-runner2049-blade-runner-gif-24854081

[winged quail]

Does 2.03 divisible by 3

[quartz orchid]

yes

6.7666666666666666666666666

[tepid token]

"Level 4 gets you 45 chips initially, which are more than enough with adequate OL lines and invested Tove"
Lv 7 skills on Tove?

[tepid token]

Great, my BSoda doesn't have enough chips...

[rose mango]

Bastion simply allows you to shoot more ammo over 3 minutes

There's no other reason

[lucid nest]

MY

FREAKING SODA

HAS 20% charge speed

holy cow lmao

[tepid token]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-cow-omg-wow-moo-holy-moly-gif-25099315

[unborn wave]

insane

imagine if that was on red hood

[desert minnow]

Oooh, fk.

I thought that Bsoda would increase RH burst as well but I was wrong. It increases the burst timer, but not the burst itself of other characters.

[quartz orchid]

use her on pvp and give everyone cs

[desert minnow]

cs?

[opal lantern]

Use the sheet for approximation

Still need Max Ammo for efficiency

Thats what I found

[tepid token]

does BAlice must have for BSoda team?

oh, you do say it in review...

[lucid nest]

[tepid token]

Don't me blame
...
Me don't blame
oh wait...
blame me don't... damn it... It have been stressful for me these days

[old sentinel]

Now she can charge her vacuum faster

[summer lily]

https://tenor.com/view/luigis-mansion-vacuum-heart-video-game-gif-14475148

Accurate rendition of soda AOE screen wipe

[opal moon]

LUL

[cyan flame]

Would a team with Tove, Leona, Modernia, Maid Privaty, ans Bunny Soda work or no?

[opal lantern]

No healing

[zealous peak]

heal is overrated. source: @oak coral

[fluid stag]

Iframe>heal

Trust me bro

[lucid nest]

what's the point of putting Modernia in a non buff team?

why don't u put Guillotine instead

or Shitlet

both are non sensitive to ATK buff

[unborn wave]

hit rate probably and no burst

[lucid nest]

wow so Modernia is devolved into a buffer now

[unborn wave]

just like alice

[sharp widget]

Has anyone with a properly invested SG comp tested B Soda vs SI Gravedigger?

[unborn wave]

I can try it but its a cope team

tove also fucking sucks bruh

was trying to do some boss union range testing

bitch was dropping stacks left and right

its simply to test the team dmg?

[sharp widget]

I'm curious to see how fast it can be

[unborn wave]

what other place can you retest

its like 10 but ok

ill check with my team

gimme a sec

need to bald tove stacks for sodab burst so it might take a bit

[sharp widget]

lol, no prob

Thanks for being willing to do it

[fluid stag]

Well Alice+M-chan=sbs

[sharp widget]

I still haven't actually put any investment into anyone but M Priv, and I'm curious to see how the comp fairs compared to S Anis comp

Works as a mini-reference for how solo raid will go

[unborn wave]

tove stacks lasted for the first 10ish seconds

1/1/1 uninvested sugar btw so don’t compare her dps

[sharp widget]

[unborn wave]

but I just wanted to slot a SG

[sharp widget]

Yeah, makes sense

With M Priv, probably faster

[unborn wave]

keep in mind this is extremely cope lmao

[sharp widget]

Oh wait, Blanc

Blanc > Leona probably

[unborn wave]

but yeah with mpriv probably kills in one burst

[unborn wave]

no

well

maybe against GD

idk if her crit buffs are good enough to beat out the dmg taken

[sharp widget]

Damage taken up is hard to beat, ye

But bunnies would be with someone else for SR anyway

[fluid stag]

Nah ignore that meme

[sharp widget]

RH is already fully invested, so not a concern

My mental debate is save skill mats for uncertain summer units or invest in SG comp for incoming SR

[fluid stag]

shit meme ikr

My Rh clear digger in 7 seconds

But that is another story

[unborn wave]

investments:
Tove 9/7/7
Blanc 4/4/10
Sodab 7/10/9
Noir 8/5/2

[sharp widget]

Yeah, I don't expect SG comp to compare with SBS, RH, or SW

[fluid stag]

Save shotgun!!!

[fluid stag]

Not for now, waiting for Isabel treasure

Oh wait treasure is long runner

[sharp widget]

It's S Anis Dorovity vs Tove B Soda comps that I'm considering as competition since S Anis is our most meta cope comp (outside of electric weak)

[unborn wave]

forget isabel just drop drake treasure

[sharp widget]

[fluid stag]

[unborn wave]

drake gives hit rate and attack for the whole team

better values and another skill would be insane

S2 can be fixed to having additional proc like sodab/s anis

and she’ll go crazy

her BA multiplier kinda shit tjo

[fluid stag]

uuuu drake kit is easy to upgrade a meta unit with a good treasure

[unborn wave]

yeah she can go crazy

great bones for a treasure

i also have her lb 2 so I can max it

[sharp widget]

I would love Drake treasure

I have OL gear on her

[unborn wave]

drake back in pvp meta??

[fluid stag]

Well people like drake

[oak coral]

healing is gay

[zealous peak]

wise words from SGayKin

listen to this person

[tight grove]

he knows all about it better heed his words

[cold sluice]

OL Sugar

Trust

[unborn wave]

as if

[opal lantern]

My pilot did that

[unborn wave]

with how much I sweat in SR I should pilot and at least make money from it

[sharp widget]

Seriously

[unborn wave]

i sweat for over 6 hours just to beat a whale in my union for a bet

beat him by less than 10 mil

and I dont have s anis

[tight grove]

what was the bet

just 'honor'?

[unborn wave]

nah for money

but also for ego yea

[tight grove]

big w

[unborn wave]

i forgot how much it was for

[lucid nest]

20% cs Soda

well she had 10% ele dmg so I can reduce 37m dmg

should be roughly same

[cyan flame]

What is a good team to put with Bunny Soda?

[cyan flame]

Do you need Sugar in order to use this team?

Or no?

[unborn wave]

no

i just dont have privM

[cyan flame]

Oh ok.

[cyan flame]

You don't have Leona?

[unborn wave]

nope

[manic viper]

Sorry if this has been answered a bunch already, I’m just trying to figure out if B Soda is worth pulling more than one copy

[tight grove]

no

[manic viper]

Thank U

[unborn wave]

no just save for summer

shes good but limiteds coming soon

[manic viper]

[sharp widget]

Dupes of non-limited are whale territory unless you want that lobby BG now

otherwise just wishlist

[dire finch]

against iron weak
sugar: 11.81 atk, 23.56 ele
soda: 5.47 atk
against wind weak
mpriv: 6.88 atk

[opal lantern]

Cube?

Use Rupee not Leona

What she doin

So Sugar still > PrivM against Iron weak u say?

But the investment diff

PrivM shafted?

If its GD next boss, maybe B Alice wont even be used

[dire finch]

why rupee...

[dire finch]

cuz ele bonus

sugar = no need leona, we can add cdr

[opal lantern]

I think next raid B Alice wont be used

Cus no need heal

[dire finch]

rng tove s1?

[opal lantern]

Better than losing Sugar's damage

@rose mango careful with the guide being outdated on solo raid release

Cus suddenly B. alice not used

Might as well add one more B3 box next to the last one.

[charred swan]

she might be in the crown team instead

if we can't fill all the slots

[tepid token]

Can Sugar replace BAlice in the comp?

[opal lantern]

Makes sense for alice ammo

[dire finch]

mpriv sugar? extra ammo is good but +5s full burst from soda better for mpriv

[tepid token]

I mean BAlice give ammo like Sugar as well

and BSoda always need more ammo to clean up enemies

[sharp widget]

Until Gravedigger has a source of forced damage on us that demands healers

[unborn wave]

which it probably will

or else why release it with alice

[tribal salmon]

GD now inflicts DoT damage every 5 sec

jks ofc

[sharp widget]

Drill missiles don't stun but are now indestructible

[charred swan]

I assume they did because sg needs healing in general

[unborn wave]

yeah

but still

they’ll find some way to promote her with it

[sweet panther]

inb4 after u break x circles GD just drills ur ass anyways

[haughty harbor]

ah yes material H moment

the faster you clear qte the faster you get damaged

[tepid token]

Me waiting for 2 blue rocks to drop so I can OL BSoda

[sharp widget]

I have +5 T9Ms on her and rocks ready, but I'm waiting until SR Challenge Mode Day 2

[fierce lake]

Just tested the full SG exodia. Unless the boss jumps or becomes untargetable, you have full tove stacks and atk speed all the time
even with Tove's S1 being lvl 6

tldr: shotgun team's done

[charred swan]

sg meta

is it not cope ?

[pure moat]

can we get this updated?

where does BAlice go on here

[dire finch]

111 alice work

[pure moat]

fr lol?

[dire finch]

Yes

[charred swan]

whats the cope investment for this comp

[rose mango]

At the end

She's 4/4/4 -> 4/10/4

[pure moat]

ok i see ty

[slow owl]

20 rocks on Soda, still 0% Ammo

https://tenor.com/view/jump-hanging-gif-20498305

[pure moat]

who does the most dmg bsoda or mpriv?

assuming both equally invested

i see a lot of bsoda's giga outperforming mpriv

[slow owl]

with Elem advantage, Bsoda
with Neutral, Mpriv

[unborn wave]

pretty sure soda wins regardless

[fierce lake]

bsoda just does more damage in general

[lucid nest]

^

[rose mango]

Soda ez diff on mPriv

Unless mPriv has like 3-4 atk rolls

Not only does soda does equal/more damage than mPriv, she also gives support to another nikke

Hence she's simply just better

[sweet panther]

she also gives her team 15s full burst which buffs her and mpriv alot

so realistically thats her dmg

[tepid token]

Above BSoda's Burst, assuming she has 45 coins and It is down to 28 when she bursts, after a few shots, she reaches 30 coins and the burst phase still goes on. Does that mean Stage buff trigger?

Oh It does, so as long as BSoda can hit 30 coins during her burst phase, she get the buff

[wheat hill]

Lv1 bsoda and lv401 sugar. How is it possible @rose mango

Ik sugar buffs shotgun's allied but...

[solar berry]

Da fuck? Why is my Tove getting 3 stacks but then the rest of the team has 2 stacks on her S2?

SEE? SHE HAS 2 STACKS BUT THE REST OF THE TEAM HAS NONE

WHAT!?

Oh wait wtf, is this Alice's doing?

[terse echo]

Alice only increases one type of char stacks

[sweet panther]

t9 gear giving her a decent bit of base attack

aside from that idk

[solar berry]

What cube do we even use on her?

[fierce lake]

I'm using bastion even with just one ammo line

[solar berry]

I just swapped her up with my Tove's slot on Bastion

Gave Tove Wingman instead

Since B Alice keeps her stacks up anyways

Or maybe that's a bad idea? 🤔

[fierce lake]

wingman is an inferior bastion

bastion scales kinda multiplicatively with your final ammo
while wingman is diluted iirc

[sweet panther]

^ bastion is also just a bigger number than wingman after hitting 3 refund, its equiv to 42.85% total ammo

only exception is very specific ammo breakpoints like 9 ammo

where u loop into refunding 1 bullet

[sweet panther]

reload bug?

[torn thunder]

should I rush build bsoda to run in non sg comp, say liter bunnies mod?

[indigo shale]

no you need tove

[quartz orchid]

there's a ~0.8s delay between her ammo hitting 0 and her starting the reload. apparently other clip SG's don't have this delay.

[sweet panther]

r u sure they dont? i remember seeing funky in clip sg from forever ago

where they go in cover and just sit there before the reload bar comes up

video analyzed apr 8 2023

[sweet panther]

it was also extra funky that different clip sg had different timing

[lucid nest]

yes I'm sure

only Soda has this weird shit

[sweet panther]

u mean that weird delay on that bar right?

that shows on both drake and soda

@lucid nest

i remember during my origional firerate analysis (screen shotted sheet) it was there and different per clip sg from when the last bullet empties to when that bar shows up, non-clips do not have this delay

and normal sg/weps dont ahve this

[lucid nest]

nah, Noir is way shorter

Soda last bullet => reload bar shows up: 63 frames
Noir: 43 frames
And if you minus the cover animation

[sweet panther]

i didnt have noir back then but this was drake pepper sugar

[sweet panther]

on this i have drake at 43 frames, pepper at 54 and sugar at 49 i really dunno what caused it or why its not consistent

i actually see my noir at 27 frames

[lucid nest]

yeah, Noir is very fast, but the delay exists for all SG

[sweet panther]

i dont think non clip has it

only clip

[lucid nest]

yep

[sweet panther]

and at varying duration

[lucid nest]

just tested with MPriv

bar shows up so fast like Drake is spittin

[sweet panther]

rediscovering old tech that no1 worried about cuz clip sgs were meh

like rediscovering tove stack increasing with burst

[sweet panther]

it looks like its influenced by reload speed too i probably need to do another test looking at total time it takes from 0 bullet to full ammo

with max reload speed she reloads without waiting for bar

possibly influenced by reload speed overall and my origional recording of sugar vs pepper was differnce of resil cube since i was mostly looking for fixed fire rate? not sure

which would also align with varying results with noir having low time then drake next fastest then sugar/pepper

[lucid nest]

yes

with high reload speed, delay is shorter

[sweet panther]

sugar without reload cube seems to have the same delay as pepper written in that sheet at 54 frames and a total reload time of 172 frames from 0 to 9(2.867s) +13 frames to shoot again instead of written 2.03s (on both sugar and pepper)

with resil 29.69% reload this was cut to ~41 frames(hard to see bar) and 0 to 9 bullets total reload in 124 frames +13 frame to shoot again

which is 28.01% reload time less

so resil cube still does its job i guess, just the text written on the tin being 2.03 is ???

[tepid token]

So Bunny Soda in SG comp, how much % of her DPS lose due to SU designing the comp badly? 20%?

[sweet panther]

she loses to u still have to mald for 3 stack tove buff when u press ur burst

but u now have to mald less for the attack speed uptime

im pretty sure thats the main diff? unless gatrix put in perma tove burst on soda/mpriv

so its not mald free but definately much more consistent

[sweet panther]

also could not find a multiplier between total reload time and delay before reloading to predict future clip sg units from these data points (.45s for .7 reload noir, .9s for 2.03s reload on sugar/pepper/soda and .716 for 1.52 reload on drake

if some1 else wants to give it a go im heading to sleep

[cold sluice]

[lucid nest]

welcome

to 20% charge speed Soda gang

[warm pawn]

Soda's skill priority already set or not quite?

[fluid stag]

Wanna see boda performance in grave digger raid

[torn thunder]

can I just skip and pray that the Pilgrim in 5 months make bSoda lose too much value?

[rose mango]

No,nhou can't skip bsoda

She's the key for SG team along with tove

The others can be replaced but not them

[torn thunder]

What if I'm investing in SW team instead?

[tepid token]

Solo Raid, between the minimum and Ideal investment team, not to mention BSoda always lacks 1 coin when entering her burst, DPS could be higher when my team have more investment.
Compared to the SW team, they can be rivals.

[torn thunder]

yeah I'm missing leona

[tepid token]

...go with SW team, but you should get BSoda just incase

Leona can be wishlist, I got both Tove and Leona from off-rate banners

[torn thunder]

not really a problem, after this event, my tetra part of the wishlist can just be filled with nikkes I don't have

[tepid token]

I loves that the SG comp is basically one member deal max dmg while the next member deal half of the dmg, and the next one deal half of half 😄

[torn thunder]

my problem is after this solo raid the tove team falls off hard

especially if it's a iron solo raid boss that requires a wind nikke to get past a barrier

[tight grove]

B.Alice/Tove/Leona/M.Priv/B.Soda does more damage than Tove/Leona/M.Priv/S.Anis/Marci?

Double checking before I starting throwing vouchers and gems at these banners.

[tepid token]

BAlice give heals and ammo, which the heals are good and more ammo always welcome for SG, especially BSoda as she need a lot of ammo to reach potential dmg.

BAlice is buggy currently but still more than enough to use

[late knot]

completely uninvested sg team got me 276m

i'm a believer now

[rose mango]

You still need the units for SG team, no?

If you lack crucial units such as tove and soda, you'll never be able to build them until you pull them months down the line

Also, its much better for people to build sg team than SW team since SG team is easier

[pure moat]

What cubes should I be running for the shotgun team?

reload or bastion?

[tight grove]

So the updated SG team does more damage than the previous one I mentioned?

And what's the B.Alice bug? Do you lose a shit ton of damage because of it?

[unborn wave]

bastion since everyone should have at least 1 max ammo

[unborn wave]

shes also not bugged, its working as intended

theoretically

can’t trust shitup tho

[pure moat]

bastion on everyone?

[unborn wave]

yes

alice with 120% max ammo and bastion should theoretically fire indefinitely no?

[unborn wave]

even with phone and scuffed ass team the dmg is decent lmao

[sweet panther]

in a general sense bastion should be better because alice refills 20.38% of ur ammo and tove s1 also has refill

aside from specific cases where ur bastion ends up in an overflow loop which i dont think is too much of a worry with salice ammo increase + tove s1 increase

so bastion is effectively 20.38% better because that 20.38% of ur ammo is also bastion counted but not resil counted

[unborn wave]

thats not at max

alice S2 10 is 40% reload

[sweet panther]

yea but i prob wont max it

im poor

the theroy still stands it just replace the number

[unborn wave]

well yea

ik bastion is better

im just wondering what the infinite ammo breakpoint is

[sweet panther]

i dont think alice reaches infinite ammo

at 20/s and 20s burst interval she has to refund 400 total ammo per cycle between her and tove and bastion

wait tove only refills for self right?

so realistically x* .4 * 1.4285 = 400

so u need ~700 ammo

[tight grove]

https://tenor.com/view/weeknd-weeknd-super-bowl-looking-looking-around-the-weeknd-gif-20291984

[tight grove]

here is your shotgun team

[unborn wave]

🐳

[late knot]

No max core Alice?

Team did more than my entire attempt

[unborn wave]

theres literally 0 use in dupes on alice lmao

more heals?

when she heals more than rapunzel?

[late knot]

Bro got almost everything max core

Why not Alice

Not aesthetic

[unborn wave]

cause its a complete waste of money

💀

even leviathans should have limits

[tight grove]

Aight, fuck it.

I'll take the hit and pull to compare myself

[unborn wave]

if you dont have the resources to invest

dont bother

my vers is a shitty one but its still a 9/7/7 tove (no OL yet) and pretty nice OL sodab 7/10/9

[tight grove]

Tove is 9/10/10 - Leona is 7/7/7 and M.Priv is 10/10/10 so I'm in too deep now.

[unborn wave]

oh

then yeah

do it

you’ll see good results for sure

as long as they have some OLs

[tight grove]

So B.Soda kicks S.Anis out, yeah?

That was the only thing I wanted to know before I pulled, but I'll just check myself atp

[unborn wave]

i mean she wasnt really officially in the team to begin with

but yeah

[tight grove]

do you play on auto? order doesn't matter

[sweet panther]

order matters for my fingers pressing 111 and 112 is easier than 211 and 212

also why does everyone want to burst with alice as much as possible

wat do i need to use this for if im full hp, just because i can press it doesnt mean i should

[spice kettle]

Her burst is adorable probably that is the reason xd

[tight grove]

teach your fingers to press 4 buttons lol

balice will never burst this way

[unborn wave]

or just put alice last

accomplishes the same thing

[sweet panther]

well in position 5 u just press 2111 when u need it

[late violet]

from my later sim runs, she should be able to reach inf ammo at some rather high investments even at 20s cycles: #1245286572832591874 message

really high though

she definitely doesn't need that high to do her job of mostly negating tove's rng

do note that was before she dropped so I just estimated her s2 values. in reality you need L7 to get 30%

[unborn wave]

was this just with ammo % or did it also factor bastion

[late violet]

bastion on all runs

little reason to run anything else on either tove or balice

I tested tove at 0 ammo with bastion or resi and they had pretty similar end results, and bastion only becomes better the more ammo you have

[sweet panther]

sim room is different tho cuz u get so much ammo refund from it

i think?

[late violet]

sim as in I wrote a sim to generate those results, not sim room

[sweet panther]

o

[woven minnow]

So, just for fun, I went through all the units who have an activate on full burst ability to see if anyone might have a buff or something that synergizes with BG Soda

They're all buffs that last 5 or 10 seconds, with the following exceptions: Diesel, D, Mary, Ludmilla, BG Alice, and Crown

(also not counting CDR abilities, which all proc on full burst)

All of their buffs last 15 seconds, which isn't very useful unless you are somehow getting your CDR well over 5 seconds.

except

Diesel, of all people, has a straight up permanent passive that causes her to heal when she's attacked during full burst.

Is that at all meta or even useful? No! Probably not. But it IS interesting.

And it would be funny to see some kind of jank ass PVP squad with, like... Diesel, BG Soda, Jackal/Bay, Scarlet, and someone else

[summer lily]

feels kinda weird that soda gives full burst duration increase but still have to end up waiting 2 seconds on grave digger for tove to be ready lol

alice s2 burst gen passive too stronk i guess that it was getting bar back before its ready lol

[unborn wave]

yeah you dont really lose time with alice ult proc as long as you dont do it the first time cause there’s always a bit of a delay

[lucid nest]

And sg never misses against gd

Try again on lord class shooting range

Oopsie

[unborn wave]

tbf

the shooting range jumps more and is smaller than any SR boss

[quartz orchid]

just get 4x black hitrate lines

[fluid stag]

Easy, like 3 years farming

[sweet owl]

Technically D Wife can also be added since her burst effectively lasts 15 seconds (for 10 seconds hitting enemy procs 5s buff)

[sweet owl]

A neat and dumb SG support would be a Yan-style crowd control burst that pulls enemies closer so they're in range

[tight grove]

imagine proper crowd control nikke

[forest stirrup]

That actually sounds pretty fun. Reminds me of the defense stages having the gravity rapture. Shooting it with Modernia burst is fun.

[tight grove]

that's when you sniper pierce everything to death

[cold sluice]

[fluid stag]

in SG team who has the priority? Tove and boda?

Investment priority I meant

[fluid stag]

I forgot maid existence

[unborn wave]

tove is primary at least for 9/4/4

[chrome aspen]

what if we use sugar?

[unborn wave]

invest in tove S1 before anything

[chrome aspen]

s1 is lvl9

[unborn wave]

then tove S2

[pseudo drift]

My plan so far has been:
Tove to 9-4-4
Soda to 4-7-4
Leona to 1-7-1
MPriv to 7-7-4
Tove to 9-7-7
Leona to 7-7-7
Soda to 7-10-7
Tove to 9-10-10
MPriv to 10-10-7
Soda to 7-10-10
MAlice to 4-(7 or 10)-4

Anyone wanna weigh in of it that is a good path?

[tight grove]

do this

invest nothing until next raid then decide based on the raid and the teams you will use

never invest until its actually time to use the nikke

[sharp widget]

Very high chance that next SR will be Electric-weak since, unless we get a repeat/variant, the leftover Tyrants are Land Eater and Kraken

but we likely won't know what it is until the patch in July, so waiting is definitely best

~~also do you mean B Alice? ~~

[pseudo drift]

I think shotgun might be a permanent team 4 for me but yeah its always good to wait until the solo raid is announced

[unborn wave]

seems fine just keep in mind next sg unit will be either leona or privM powercreep

[pseudo drift]

I'm really hoping that it won't be for a while though... but SU has done a lot of unexpected things this year

an Isabel treasure would be divine though. if Isabel friendship was the powercreep I wouldn't even be mad

[tight grove]

a single shotgun character can yeet mpriv out

would not really call it unexpected or something if that happens

just 1 in 5 weapon types a dps can have

[warped kite]

[rose mango]

jsut one edit, leona to 1/7/1 before upgrading mpriv

u can skip the part where u get everyone to 4/4/4 first

start tove

[cloud snow]

The issue with SG team are close range bosses and if I am not wrong there are not so many so they are not meta in all SR compared to other teams
Can be good to have a SG team ready just in case but it's better imo to invest in more consistent teams if not finished ofc

[unborn wave]

everyone is acting like the SR bosses aren’t mostly fat

even far away they can still hit

as long as you dont have 0 hit rate on your dps

[sharp widget]

Leona gives range increase

Bigger problem with SGs honestly is the limited fire rate, which is why Tove existing is so huge

[cloud snow]

I will wait summer units and next SR to see if SG teams will be a consistent meta team as the others for the SR
Because of skills mat issue, I will just wait and decide later

[opal moon]

I also had to use my mats and get my SW to 2 OLs because I just recently got her

I do know she is very good for bossing even in SR

[fierce lake]

there are only kraken and landeater left in terms of SR boss rota
plus the potential new big boss they're adding at the new story chapter/anni

[chrome aspen]

is having 1 Max Ammo OL on tove and BSoda enough, or someone else also needs max ammo too?

[rose mango]

b.soda, mpriv, sugar

if youre using them u need like 2-3 max ammo to keep shooting during burst

[chrome aspen]

not using sugar. mpriv, I am reluctant to upgrade till i see summer units

[chrome aspen]

thanks

[lucid nest]

SG doubters are crumbling

and this is not even #1 world lol

[tight grove]

best dmg team

shotgunners winning hard

[lucid nest]

yeah but crown here is kinda scruffed

[tight grove]

its not the fault of shotgunners other teams can't match

[tight grove]

should post that in balice thread every time someone asks if she's good

[sharp widget]

B Alixe will be better vs a boss that actually deals damage

GD's machine guns tickle

[lucid nest]

well, the diff againsts Kira comp is only 100m

[fluid stag]

Crown+shelm against iron weak xD

[tribal salmon]

B.Alice is needed for QoL
I learned that from my own experience today

[old sentinel]

Weren’t the doubters for before TB.Soda and WB.Alice?

Which was literally until a week ago

I see Water, Iron, Electric. Missing Fire, Wind.

What should we do if the SG team is up against enemies that require Fire or Wind units?

Drake can fill in Fire

Then, Wind? We don’t want to break up bunnies and move Noir, do we…

… I guess Pepper could fill that

[fierce lake]

@old sentinel Someone is forgetting about the rehab gal with tits as big as her head

b2 too, so can replace Leona

I lied. Her tits are actually bigger than her head

[lucid nest]

I think they are the same

[fierce lake]

that guilty looks weird

would still hit doe

[lucid nest]

B2 + Lib

[old sentinel]

Hmm, I was trying to keep the SG team together as much as possible. But I guess this is true

[lucid nest]

also Akali at home is B2 + Lib

[fierce lake]

all of them are

[old sentinel]

The name Leona is ruined for me

Everytime I hear it my instinct is golden armored redhead with sunlight magic

[fierce lake]

this man plays lol in 2024

[surreal agate]

Would have pulled if it was soda: twerking bunny

[rose mango]

No b.alice in the comp above tho

Guess she's mid

[quartz orchid]

my balice couldn’t even keep tove attack speed up permanently

do I really need to ol her and fish ammo lines

[late violet]

it'll help a little, but gd is an annoynig fight for it since your team will stop shooting at phase changes on auto which are really easy times for things to drop

[chrome aspen]

what OLs you have in here?

[chrome aspen]

what's the dmg split?

[sharp widget]

I think there was plenty of reason to doubt B Alice with her 42.3% use in this past raid

If only her stack assistance wasn't water-limited

[sharp widget]

Gave GD some extra attacks to deal damage to us, but they didn't make them hurt enough to encourage us to use healers

[sweet panther]

how many sr did we not need healers for out of the 14 we had?

[sharp widget]

Yeah, but she can be wishlisted by next raid

Also, if next raid is Land Eater, we can i-frame majority of attacks . Kraken will require some healing tho

[sweet panther]

have i ever told u the story of my maxwell adventures?

day 1 wishlist

1 month before ani: maxwell come home ive been bricked for 9 raids already pls

[sharp widget]

I am also in the wishlist non-believer camp, trust me

[sweet panther]

[sharp widget]

Friend banner, on the other hand 👌

[tribal salmon]

Does Kraken have parts?

[sharp widget]

It had the tentacles

but can't remember if actual part or just QTE

[sweet panther]

so yea imo wishlist doesnt mean skip on units that have use it means skip on bay/ade

[sharp widget]

Yeah, I never skip on healers

[opal moon]

The good thing about kraken is, it's core is much closer, which benefits SG build

[lucid nest]

The bad thing is: core is not exposed phase 1

[summer lily]

K will come out and give all allies pierce with burst to synergize with D.wife trust

My dad works as the delivery driver that gives food to shift up employees so he knows whats real

[late violet]

I have the true brick, it took me over a year to get liter (373d to be precise)

imagine not having liter in like, any content for over a year

can't ever trust the wishlist

I ended up getting her like a week before the paid selector came out, would've grabbed liter with it otherwise

[tepid token]

Today, my BSoda reach lv 10 s2 😄
I wish that would be sooner...

[drowsy hollow]

I hope new meta team comes to fuck u shotgun bait

(im too broke to build sg team)

[tight grove]

and you are not too broke to build a whole nother meta team?

same cost anyway

[heavy flint]

Any new comp will require some sort of heavy investment , but a RL centered comp would sound good

[late wyvern]

@rose mango the missing piece all along

[opal lantern]

ure still alive?

[late wyvern]

I grow a big farm of grass, milk some cow and yes im a alive

[dry marsh]

momo is back?!

[late wyvern]

Wait this guy is cooking lemme try that shiet

[fluid stag]

Lol Alice SBS against train is old

Bro is living under a rock

[late wyvern]

Wait its better, its crown all along, i got jebaited fk this game

[fluid stag]

Yeah always crown

[rose mango]

There's like 5 ways to do this with crown now

[late wyvern]

Telling me living under a rock without telling me living under a rock

Fk you

[fluid stag]

https://tenor.com/view/super-bowl-live-under-a-rock-thats-enough-no-more-work-gif-16220317

[rugged rapids]

crystal chamber UR LV10

[fluid stag]

How much ele lines in mpriv?

[rose mango]

Ngl, one shotting non core boss at 381 is kinda nuts

They're huge damage soaks

[rugged rapids]

ele 58%
ATK 29.7%

[fluid stag]

Thanks

[opal moon]

Yeah, probably one of the reasons why I enjoyed crystal chamber fight more

[fluid stag]

So next sniper solo raid feature could be a hell?

[radiant musk]

Soda pretty good. This is against Plate.

prob does better with tove/alice but dont think i will build them

[opal moon]

I would work on tove, since she works super well for SG units, and would benefit soda more

[lucid nest]

now does the same, but this time with Laplace Treasure phase 2

with Frima Phase 2 or Crown Liter

[unborn wave]

finally stopped complaining about it

[old sentinel]

Viewed both videos, and all I noticed was that bunny Soda jiggle physics will result in explosions

[quartz orchid]

that shit + gd’e explosions and red warning qte lights = fun

[silk dagger]

finally getting around to building her and the game decided to support me with ele + atk on the first roll

[silk dagger]

is this good enough for now? I have other units I need to build so I am ok with having them as long as its decent

visor, chest and boots are the starting roll

[robust beacon]

yes, those are all good enough for now

[silk dagger]

changed my gloves, how did the 10% atk result in 12% more dmg

[sharp widget]

Probably just S1 RNG

[silk dagger]

makes sense

[chrome aspen]

what tool is this?

[stoic tartan]

@opal lantern how much max ammo do i need in % on gear

when yall say "minimum" 1x max ammo, what if i get 27.84% max ammo

[lucid nest]

1%

[stoic tartan]

Ty

[opal lantern]

I don't agree with these tbf

[opal lantern]

For ammo

Just enuf to last 1 full burst

[heavy flint]

Ammo requirement for clip SGs

Must be divisible by 3.

3+1 bad

Thank you @sweet panther

[sweet panther]

/3 or /3+2 is fine
/3+1 makes extra clip

[opal lantern]

Bro this is old news

[opal lantern]

Old news

[heavy flint]

Yeah we know

[warped kite]

[heavy flint]

We just wanted to have a way to easily find it when needed

[opal lantern]

[heavy flint]

It is useful info after all

[opal lantern]

May I propose there → #research-results

Its more visible after all

Its not restricted to BSoda only