[Alice: Wonderland Bunny] New Unit Megathread

[formal zenith]

press it for the flashbang

balice doro crown comp would go wild

maybe smoll white as dps

time to not see shit

[rugged magnet]

[quiet schooner]

come to think of it

Alice should prolong Tove's burst right?

[sacred cloud]

Blanc doro crown scarlet on auto burst

[quiet schooner]

[sacred cloud]

Only on her and leona

[quiet schooner]

let's look at XMica

ah

yeah

[sacred cloud]

Water nikke only 🚮

[quiet schooner]

imagine Tove and Leona are DPS now

[sacred cloud]

Leona already did some dmg

From tove buffs

[bitter mist]

Damn I wish I had more skill resets

[thorny lava]

Is that at 4/4/4?

[quiet schooner]

yeah

expected value

[thorny lava]

[quiet schooner]

by dividing the pic value with 69% then increased 23%

[thorny lava]

I'm liking B Alice's kit

Nothing breathtaking, but she's a solid B1, unlike most

[loud gulch]

Is this shotgun team really worth all that skill mats investment? Woah

[thorny lava]

I'm not convinced yet, so I'll wait for Solo Raid

B Alice has versatility, so I'll give her some attention regardless

[simple raft]

So, for the Leonaless, BAlice, Tove, Noir, Blanc, BSoda could work?

[formal zenith]

i don't see why you would stack the healers into 1 team like that

blanc wants that cdr too

[simple raft]

Just taking advantage of Blanc's debuff tho

[simple raft]

Hmm

[formal zenith]

you're reducingt he amount of debuffing she does that does not sound good

[quiet schooner]

how

[formal zenith]

use sugar or something if you don't have mpriv leona combo

[quiet schooner]

oh lack cdr

[formal zenith]

and burst extended by boda

[simple raft]

So, BAlice, Dolla, Tove, BSoda, flex?

Man, fuck, they keep forcing us for 1-2-2

[formal zenith]

i don't really think bunnies count as 1-1-3

bnoir dps >.>

or doro priv teams 1-1-3 lol priv dps

[simple raft]

I mean, with b1 reenter b1 again

Tia and now BAlice

Like, bruh, there's not even a lot of good b1 support

[formal zenith]

if it was re-enter burst 2 or re-enter burst 3 would you like that better?

makes no difference though

they always take the flex spot

[simple raft]

Reenter burst 3 sounds good, more DPSes

[soft yew]

Can someone do an edit with B.Alice being the infinity stone and the gauntlet having the rest of the shotgun team?

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-mind-stone-last-stone-infinity-gauntlet-gif-15735729

[limpid dagger]

why ppl want cdr here? Their dmg mostly come from normal atk and tove s2 right?

[sacred cloud]

Cuz they heard cdr was good all the other times

[dapper owl]

because mfs have never played a real shotty team
and their brains automatically think no cdr=bad

[limpid dagger]

Cuz other dps need burst to deal dmg

[sacred cloud]

Tbf even before that with scar mod it was still huge

But it's a symptom of knowing something is good but not why something is good

Or replacements for x good thing

[ionic cloak]

Almost there

[soft yew]

Now I see why they added burst gauge increase to Alice, with it being pure shotguns and SMGs hitting burst again within 5 seconds would have been a bit hard if the target wasn't up close

[quiet schooner]

So we know 15s fb = 0 cdr require

5s fb = 2 cdr?

[soft yew]

Liter and Dwife could do it

[quiet schooner]

If only they are worth that much

May be smg will be next niche

[ionic cloak]

Preferentially it would be a B1 CDR and a B2 CDR

[quiet schooner]

Caster with low fb = more burst

Huh wait

Im into something here

[ionic cloak]

Liter/Dorothy/DWife + Dolla/S.Helm

Am I forgetting anyone?

[tawny crystal]

what if the target is gravediggger?

[quiet schooner]

I think they give up on making smg dps

They will make her burst nuke like soline

[turbid nymph]

[quiet schooner]

With -5s fb

[ionic cloak]

I think they just solidified SMG even more as a supporter weapon

[quiet schooner]

So you have to burst a lot

Normally, a run will have 12 fb

Now we can have 24 fb

With 12 for each nuker

[ionic cloak]

Only way to make a dps SMG good without a gimmick would be something with a very high Hit Rate buff + Attack Buff + Max Ammo buff (essentially turning a SMG into a MG)

[quiet schooner]

Actually 9 each because more time out burst

[ionic cloak]

That's assuming you immediately fill burst bar after fb is over?

[quiet schooner]

Nope

[ionic cloak]

Yeah 9 sounds more realistic

[quiet schooner]

Oh yeah, 12 is full almost immediately

9 each

With each deals 5000% atk

Call them wand

Because they shoot magic

[ionic cloak]

[quiet schooner]

And pea

[ionic cloak]

[quiet schooner]

Dmg out burst = whatever

Damn

I must propose this

The only way to redeem smg

Without fixing the gun

[ionic cloak]

Without a very high Hit Rate buff, I still see this failing against things like Storm Bringer for example

[quiet schooner]

Their burst should do the deed

[ionic cloak]

That shit is so far away and it's a mess to hit it consistently where you want

[quiet schooner]

Imagine snow burst but on smg instead and not pierce

[ionic cloak]

🤔

[desert geyser]

[desert geyser]

Never say such a cursed thing again

[soft yew]

Perfect! HAHAHAHAHA

[tawny crystal]

Forget sb, the fire rate isn't fast enough to deal with chatterbox rockets

[ionic cloak]

True, that shit is annoying as f

[quiet schooner]

Do you expect your wand to hit hard physically?

[tawny crystal]

Also how would the sg exodia handle Gatekeeper?

[quiet schooner]

Shoot body or just pick something else

[tawny crystal]

Wat about qte

[limpid dagger]

It just sw 2.0 then

[quiet schooner]

Yep

Qte is normal

Even liter can break

[tawny crystal]

What about Indivilia qte?

Is the fire rate fast enough

Oh and what about crystal chamber?

[mint anchor]

Would it be great for the BAice comp to have an actual Water SG B3 aside from Neve?

[formal zenith]

balice doesn't care about shotgun though

could be any weapon type for all she cares

[quiet schooner]

Baldlice

[mint anchor]

I know but if a full water SG comp is possible one day it will be fun to make a comp like thay

Aside from SG and Water, a full Water comp for BAlice can be made

[formal zenith]

if you want to make for balice then the requirement is utilising stacks

thats tove and who? idk

[mint anchor]

One is BAlice/Doro/Rem/Priv/XLud

[formal zenith]

how do they use stacks?

[mint anchor]

Hmm...

Lemme see the kit again

[quiet schooner]

I feel like you can just replace leona with rem

[formal zenith]

i'll put in crown and see what that does

[quiet schooner]

Rem doesnt need to burst anyway

Burst to be in n3

[mint anchor]

Oh right

Mb

[quiet schooner]

Not to reapply burst

[formal zenith]

rem actually works

how fast does rem solo stack her stacks?

[quiet schooner]

Yep, baldice releases her from burst

[dapper owl]

fast enough that she doesn't need external support to stack herself up

[formal zenith]

if you balice then you will use b1 b2 though unless you run 1-1-2-2-3 haha

[quiet schooner]

150 shot = 2.5a

[mint anchor]

So what I understand now is that BAlice needs a Water Nikke with stacking mechanics to use her S1?

[formal zenith]

that's pretty fast

7.5s give or take

[formal zenith]

yeah and tove drops her own stacks that's why she fits perfectly

balice will keep tove stacks up

[mint anchor]

There's also that same stacking mechanic that Summer Mary has

[formal zenith]

smary has atk% for 3 seconds? haha

she also has weak element i think

[mint anchor]

Yes she has elem damage for water nikkes

[formal zenith]

for this to have any use we need good water dps

[mint anchor]

We really do

[formal zenith]

we get so many iron dps its a bit lame

sometimes fire and the occasional wind

[mint anchor]

XLud should suffice for now even tho she doesn't have a stacking mechanic

[formal zenith]

in this cases for now its better to just not use balice

she's taking up a slot not doing much

i feel like she's a little too tied to tove

and i don't want them to make more nikke that are like 'whoops i can't hold my own stacks'

but a rem with higher ramp up ceiling would be cool

[candid summit]

isn't balice just more offensive rapu

without the sg comp

[winged linden]

would she even be good outside of the SG comp?

[formal zenith]

would rapunzel be any good ever?

balice heals any team that lacks healing she can work with

[low lava]

She will she gives also buff for water unit

Like lewdmilla can profit

Maybe fast reload team too, idk

[bold mortar]

Lewdmilla doesn't have any stacks

[low lava]

True

But anyway heal always works 😉

[winged linden]

so she is strictly for tove then? cuz why would you use her outside of SG comp? arent you just missing out on part of your kit at that point cuz of the water code?

[low lava]

I dont think, i think she can be used for heal for any team

But her best team might be SG ye

[soft yew]

We would need more water units that have a kit that works around stacks

[low lava]

Yes, it will come

They often focus period on something like it was last time pretty much to SG

Next will be probably stacks or pellets

[desert geyser]

Honestly asking, can i leave tove at like lvl6 or 7 skill 1? Like yeah it'll be way less consistent to solo maintain her stacks but if u have her with balice then maintaining stacks is no longer an issue unless u get super unlucky with reload timings or have to cover right?

So if you have 0 investment tove do u even need to hard invest into her skill 1 anymore if u have balice?

So just like 6/7/7 or something cuz 6 on s1 is when u get the +1 extra max ammo and 1% extra stack chance to get her off the ground should be fine yeah?

[soft yew]

None of the stacking scales with level, just the benefits they give

Tove's S1 will always have a procc 2% chance, and B.Alice's S1 will likely still require 90 shots to provide stacks

We will know for sure in 12 hours

Hopefully it doesn't change at all

[gilded siren]

Doesnt tove s1 have 5% proc on lvl 9 or smth like that ? Or we're speaking about different things ?

Im curious if tove s1 need investment after balice

[soft yew]

Yeah mb , tove's S1 is indeed 5% at 10.

Sadly she will still need investment, I remember reading that 9 makes it 5%

[fathom cargo]

this means its like tia?

[vapid dove]

Yeah

[drowsy quartz]

yep

[vapid dove]

B.Alice resets burst back to B1 after she bursts

B1 -> B1

[drowsy quartz]

but without the CDR part so she actually only can burst every 2nd rotation

[vapid dove]

40s CD RIP

Could be a mistake

Maybe it’s really 20s CD

We’ll see…

[soft yew]

Ehh, doesn't really matter tbh

[fathom cargo]

oh nice

[soft yew]

Her burst is a "Holy shit my health got down" situation

If the stack refresh was tied to it at 40s CD then yes, it would be joever

[barren river]

Depends, in bosses like stormbringer you are fucked

But wind bringer was a cursed raid overall

Personally I don't use simple burst, everything in off

[fathom cargo]

auto and hope for the best

[barren river]

!gravedigger

[desert geyser]

Well of course she would still need invest but i was moreso asking if 6 or 7 was fine to stop at now that you dont reeeeally need to push all the way to lvl9 just to go from 4% to 5% stack chance, so yeah its for the other buffs tied to it sure but there's no mechanical justification anymore in terms of "get it to 9 so u can get the most amount of chances possible to get a stack" ye?

If using balice anyway

Correct if wrong cuz i have no idea but the scaling jump is the same per level in this game?

Like if lvl5 to 6 gives 3% crit for example, does 6 to 7 also give 3% more crit or does it also scale better with level to incentivize high lvl? Or just more of a case by case basis

[formal zenith]

often the same but sometimes its different for example rosanna is 1 dispel but at skill level 4? its suddenly 2

[soft yew]

Pretty much, it is 2% from lvl 1-2, 3% from 3-5, 4% from 6-8 and 5% from 9-10 .

And the scaling depends on the set mostly

Not all scalings are linear

That's why it is sometimes not really wroth to upgrade a kit past certain point

Because those mats could be used elsewhere more impactful

[desert geyser]

Gotcha gotcha

Makes sense, though one thing that confused me was when crown came out and everyone said to prioritize s1 when s2 had a shot requirement that went down per level

I would've thought that would be more important to get to 10 first, like 7/10/10 and then 10 s1 later

[soft yew]

Tbh both are equally as important

If anything I would upgrade both of them equally, well I actually did it that way haha

[desert geyser]

Fair, i just bum rushed crown s2 to 10(which was my first ever level 9 and level 10 skill on my entire account xD)

Rn i only have crown s1/s2 and Alice s1/ burst lvl 10 on my whole acc

Everyone else is 7 and lower with random lvl 8 sbs s1 lol

[hearty forge]

no pinned comment on the tier BAlice is in?, like soda is "SS/SSS" tier, I'll be pulling both anyways but i wanna see if shes actually busted

[barren river]

Waifu tier

[soft yew]

Snake already said S

Gotta wait to see if she gets pumped to SS

[barren river]

Pull if you want to complete exodia

[hearty forge]

said but never pinned

i watched Sky's vid on it and he was going crazy af

is the hype warranted, i have some spare mats so i wanna maybe make a shotgun team

[soft yew]

It is simple

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245286572832591874/1245385180366110740/New_Project_11_3680D4B.gif

[barren river]

Imagine if exia+dolla powecreep sg team

[soft yew]

We should have numbers 3 hours after maintenance starts

Wait for the verdict by then

[slate hare]

id say that alice making tove consistent alone makes her S+ tier

ammo support also means you don’t necessarily have to min max reloading before burst

[soft yew]

Yup, making Tove NOT RNG BASED is by itself game changer

• she heals on top of that

[slate hare]

yea

[soft yew]

Exactly what the SG team was missing

[slate hare]

and soda fixes cdr issue

so the team is good now

at least alice is like

4/7/4

cause like

[soft yew]

More like 7/7/4

[slate hare]

even if she has bullet count changing right

still helps tove be more consistent

even if not maxed

[slate hare]

well yeah I just mean min investment

[soft yew]

We still need to know if her S1 level changes her bullet needed to proc the effect

If it doesn't then yes, it might be lower

[slate hare]

tbf anything is better than base tove

even if it decreases

base tove is just aids

[barren river]

idk ask smart people

im waifu collector

so sg cope reamins as cope

[worn garden]

ok this is funny LMAO

SU BURNING THE KITCHEN ONCE AGAIN

[sick lion]

The exodia thrown out into tbe sea like in anime

[worn garden]

to help you understand tove's stack on S1 actually applies to the whole team

BAlice ONLY refresh the stacks for WATER code allies

guess what element MPrivaty and BSoda and even Sugar are

[barren river]

plot twist

[barren river]

leona carry

[worn garden]

[dapper owl]

I see what the post above is worrying about.
But worst case scenario, you'll always have 5 stacks within burst because Tove's burst mirrors her own stack count onto others.

Worst case scenario if Balice doesn't work like originally planned:

• Tove bursts. Everyone gets full stacks for 10 sec.
• 10 seconds run out, stacks start ticking down from 5s again (if they weren't refreshed)
• 5s is also the remaining burst time that Bsoda adds.
• Overall, will keep attack speed throughout 15s of full burst.

TLDR: In the worst case scenario, Alice won't provide full attack speed coming from Tove outside of burst, but will still guarantee it inside of burst.

They planned this.

[slate hare]

eh thats fine then

surely tove will proc during off burst

right guys?

[dapper owl]

Off burst will only last 5s due to extended full burst duration. So if you have shit luck then

You'll stay inside full burst mode like 75% of the time.

[slate hare]

yeah ik

but if tove drops stacks

she won’t mirror stacks very much

for the first little bit of burst

not the biggest deal in the world

but yk

[dapper owl]

But she won't with Balice. But if you still drop stacks even with Alice, then just reset and spin the gacha wheel again

[slate hare]

alice gives a stack every 5ish seconds

if tove is at 1 stack at the start of the next burst

you have to wait 10 seconds to have guaranteed 3 stacks again

but even if you don’t have the most dog rng

can still be 5 seconds

if we assume you get a 2nd stack

[dapper owl]

Assuming the worst case scenario is true, this is the first time we've seen Tove being granted stacks outside of her proccing it.
So it will take some time to figure out how things actually work after Balice drops.
But no more than a day.

For example, what happens to all of these buffs if Tove bursts without 5 stacks?

I already know that the second atk% buff will always be triggered if the others get full stacks

Same goes for S2.

[proven wolf]

S2 is always up
problem is the second part of burst

[slate hare]

S2 is not always up lol?

thats the main issue with her stacks dropping is losing S2💀

[acoustic sierra]

that post on the maincord is saying Tove Burst does not mirror her own stacks onto others. Miracle of Makeshifts mirrors each unit's own stacks. So the worst case scenario (I think) is Tove has no trouble keeping her own stacks up with Balice's help to refresh them, but stack incrementing turns out to not count the same as the unit's actual activation condition, then not procing secondary activation effects, then doesn't refresh anyone else's stacks so they always only have 1-2 stacks of Emergency Crafted Bullets at the start of full burst (basically just what Tove procs on her own and sends out).

I don't think it will work this way, but we have to wait and see

[viscid loom]

which will rarely happen if paired with B.Alice, or just won't

the main concern is the burst buff

which seems to not using Tove's stack but by individual

[dapper owl]

Looks like we're still playing gacha buffs after all

Or we can all forget this if Balice somehow keeps up other stacks as well due to feeding Tove.
Even though she shouldn't.

[acoustic sierra]

she's the only unit that has a stacking skill that triggers a team-wide buff each time it is activated I think, so it just depends on if the game counts the stack incrementing up the same as when she triggers it herself. If there was a wind or iron unit that had a similar ability it could be tested with guilty or rupee

[wheat frost]

soo... is this a skip?

[vital shoal]

I don't understand about the cooldown

Is it that much of a big deal

[sacred cloud]

alice's burst cooldown is basically irrelevant imo

ur going to not burst with her except for when u need the heal

[real quiver]

Optional, in future there might be someone replace BAlice.

You can skip If you don't care about SG comp

also you can wishlist her btw

[vital shoal]

So some are just making nothing burgers out of the cooldown

[real quiver]

You have to burst BAlice

I mean you have 2 B1 on the team

of course you have to burst her xD

[sacred cloud]

just because i can doesnt mean i have to

[real quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-warhammer40k-warhammer40k-heresy-detected-warhammer40k-space-marines-gif-26543746

[vital shoal]

She'll be nice for me

Since I am pretty much in need of a healer

[sacred cloud]

the burst does

1. heals ur hp
2. increases heals

if ur full hp u dont press the burst

u go tove leona mpriv/soda instead and skip

until u need the heal

[real quiver]

cause diabetes in you due to how cute the burst is

[sacred cloud]

infact theroetically alice burst is a potential dps loss

[little pine]

my burst animations are off, makes no difference to me, so ain't bursting unless I need the heal

[sacred cloud]

because reenter burst 1 takes time + small delay so like ~1/2 of a sec

so ur delaying ur entire burst cycle by ~1/2s which can add up to 1-2s less full burst during a fight at the end

not big enough to warrnet not using if u need it but definately a possibility

[gilded siren]

on auto you mean ?

[sacred cloud]

no even if i mash it

reenter burst always has a small cd for next burst

[gilded siren]

bcz for me i'm just smash and the difference is like millisecs

[quiet schooner]

give her a meh burst effect
give her a long ass cd
give her an option to not burst at all

think

[sacred cloud]

it should be around 1/3s to 1/2s

[quiet schooner]

[little pine]

being a b0 is quite nice compared to the other b1 healers

[wheat frost]

hmmm my SG comp is just liter blanc sugar drake Noir. and i only ever use this for grave digger

[real quiver]

SG comp for raid

[sacred cloud]

@quiet schooner did u math the s2 to find breakpoints for sgs yet

40% should be 4 bullet round up right?

[quiet schooner]

yep

[sacred cloud]

28% would be 3 bullet?

[quiet schooner]

indeed

2.52 => 3

[little pine]

since tove got a new stack buffer, I went and pulled out my old monte carlo tove sim and punched in balice's numbers. she really helps tove a lot, but rng is still there, just won't be as bad as before

balice's numbers should be slightly better than what I have there because I forgot to account for her s2

[sacred cloud]

how does tove drop stacks with balice?

when u reload?

[quiet schooner]

can

4.5 shooting + 1s reload

you have 0.5s window to drop stack

and we assume boss never jumps out of screen

fucking birb

[little pine]

yeah if boss jumps or teles you're prob screwed

and those are just averages, still need that first stack to do anything and I def saw runs where it took tove like 8s to get the first stack

[sacred cloud]

yea but first stack malding is easy

fast resets

its not like getting 2 min in and reseting

[little pine]

it's truly amazing the people that malded with solo tove when she's expected to drop 6 times a battle

I forgot to get the numbers when she has ammo, shouldn't be as bad, but prob still in the 4 range

[quiet schooner]

[sacred cloud]

didnt people mald like 12 out of 13 crits on indi?

is there a point when balice premas with her 40% refill?

[little pine]

balice will never be perma since even at +200% ammo she'll only restore 7s of her own shooting with 40%, esp with 20s burst cycles

it'll help her a lot though

[sacred cloud]

with bastion?

[little pine]

oh right bastion, that raises it to 10s or so

tove s1 procs should add a bit more to that, but I wouldn't expect perma even then

oh wait tove s1 is just for herself, nm

[rugged tangle]

I didnt buy event entries last event for gems because they were gone far before reset.

[rugged tangle]

What is L3?

[rugged tangle]

Can you add:

1. Tove ammo but BAlice no ammo?
2. Tove no ammo but BAlice ammo?

[little pine]

tove maxed out s1

I'll get those numbers tomorrow, though will probably have to redo them anyway because I didn't realize I forgot about balice s2 until too late

[rugged tangle]

Tove level 9 and 10 is the same anyways.

[little pine]

maxed s1 buff stacks is what I mean

[rugged tangle]

Oh. Ok.

[rugged tangle]

Btw, once you are done with them, do you mind if I feature them on Prydwen (with credit to you)?

[little pine]

sure np

[junior wolf]

is this like, good for 2B team or something

[wise kindle]

BAlice is mainly to pair with Tove right?

I don't think we have another water Nikke with stacks that matter

[vapid dove]

Pretty few can heal good without touching their burst

Will be good if B.Alice joins that list

[simple raft]

Rapu, Marci?, Pepper are the other lists right?

How high BAlice in that list?

[real quiver]

BAlice is high on carrot powder

[plucky temple]

so who does more dmg soda or priv from the kit alone.

[real quiver]

Soda

Priv can compete in mob wipe though

[molten falcon]

nikke is back to peak

[plucky temple]

always has been, what u on?

[simple raft]

Wait, i still don't understand about collectible. Does it means new nikke like BAlice and BSoda can equip them and get enhancement? (Not the favorite one)

[formal zenith]

yes

also old nikke

[cosmic perch]

the SR and R dolls are like cubes

they give an effect depending on the weapon

SSR dolls (unique items) give those effects and also the buffs

[simple raft]

Ahh. Now I just opened the game, I understand it now a bit

Fuck, I thought it could buffs BAlice more, like giving more stack and more general

[real quiver]

get Lap unique item

[simple raft]

Will

[real quiver]

You can dispatch one time to get an SSR item

also NIKKE must be LimitBreak 2 to use unique gift

[simple raft]

Damn, what a convenience, Diesel is mlb and I have 2 spare bodies of Lap laying around

[formal zenith]

pingpong

[vital shoal]

Ugh, so much for "simultaneous"

[lofty eagle]

[low lava]

I'll think that my adorable bunny Alice needs Vigor, or am i wrong?

Thanks a lot

[quiet schooner]

Use new cube

[hexed sleet]

is bsoda replaceable too

[low lava]

Which cube?

Im planning to use balice for either sg team as crown fast reload team for healing

[slate hare]

hp cube

or the healing cube

[low lava]

Yes, healing cube does feel like the same issue as wingman lagging behind Vigor/ bastion

[quiet schooner]

A heal scales on 10% of your hp

Now 10% more total healing

And 10% more hp

Which gives more heal?

[surreal delta]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-steam-soldier-confused-count-gif-16049918

[quiet schooner]

Each day i stray further from sanity

[surreal delta]

https://tenor.com/view/gioated-family-guy-peter-griffin-crazy-straightjacket-gif-20619219

[dapper owl]

I hate math so damn much it's unreal

[vapid dove]

Trick questions! Demontongue!

[remote zephyr]

I mean, how much do you heal in the first place?

[vapid dove]

The dispatch for a SSR “item” is actually for a exp kit to use on a specific Treasure. So if you had for example Laplace’s Treasure, you need to collect Laplace’s exp kits to level it up. No other exp kit will work on it

Unless you somehow got a Treasure already right now, you just dispatch for the one you intend to get, so you can start stacking the exp kits before you finally get it

Otherwise if you don’t care, you can just randomize it

[sacred cloud]

u guys use cubes that arent resil/bastion?

[vapid dove]

I do, like Assault Cube. I stuck it on my Blanc on a whim

But I don’t go out of my way to level them.. it’s all Solo Raid residuals

[sacred cloud]

i use bastion/resil on everyone except in pvp

healing?

more damage

[little pine]

here

little extra:

s2 made a way bigger diff than I was expecting, at least in terms of how often she'd have to reload

[rugged tangle]

Uptime?

Oh.

That's a nice table.

[little pine]

I can send you the file if you want so you don't have to retype them

[rugged tangle]

So BAlice max ammo matters more

Thats sad

[rugged tangle]

May I?

[little pine]

yeah it makes sense given that minimizing her reloading is where the consistency is

since tove has no consistency at all

[rugged tangle]

Interesting thanks for letting me knoe

[little pine]

since balice fires 90 rounds in 4.5s, as long as she doesn't reload she'll have no chance to drop tove's stacks

ofc bosses jumping/teleporting throws this all out the window as usual

oh right forgot to specify, the first table is assuming 20s(15+5) burst cycles via BSoda

so she never reaches the point of no reloads at least with only going up to +200% ammo

[low lava]

Do u mean Vigor gives 10% hp. And healing cube gives 10% hp + 10% healing?

Also i said Vigor was probably best, cuz ill check cubes at NIKKE.gg and prydwen. Both have by character with healing power Vigor. But i just realised they probably didnt upgrade with the newer cubes?

[quiet schooner]

yep

Anti has no time to update old guides

Wuwa + ZZZ soon + HSR always keep all his attention

he can only spare some times for new Nikke guides

[low lava]

ZZZ?

[quiet schooner]

Zenless Zen Zero

[low lava]

Ah, i see. So healing is basically better for healer characters. And Vigor more for shielder?

Oh didnt hear anything abt that game lol

And i dont play wuwa its just Genshin for me

Ah new Hoyo game

Thanks 👍, guess i have to push campaign now to reach healing cube

[turbid nymph]

Unless healing scales with 100+% max HP or something like that, healing cube should be better

[proven wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1224966826191228989/1244679550701670401/20240527_210427.gif?ex=665a9ae9&is=66594969&hm=004c6dbb85e6d94e2f31979457d72eac35ae24a4aa50acc5feeb9ca61876a02f&=&width=223&height=337

[barren river]

Breedlice

[candid summit]

if they add this pose as sticker

oh man

[barren river]

Can Alice replace rapunzel in crown team?

Solo raid

[candid summit]

probably

[low lava]

Probably ye

[formal zenith]

balice could perform better than rapunzel because of her buffs

[candid summit]

at least alice has some offensive side

but you might also worry about the .5 second lost on balice burst

[formal zenith]

do you auto or something

you're not forced to alice burst

[candid summit]

sure

[formal zenith]

if you're actually the kind of guy who worries about how slow the game bursts auto

just press it manually

and stop the worry

[soft yew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012288696336273428/1245520835632955412/BAliceLoop.gif

[quiet schooner]

can Baldlice heal enough so I could break 24-34

7 little Bronchus

[surreal delta]

no baldlice needed

[formal zenith]

is that bnoir?

who has roses in her hair

[simple raft]

Yeah, BNoir with her slut outfit

[drowsy quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219047427026190387/1244646196887425064/ufox5f9lry2d1-ezgif.com-added-text.gif

[barren river]

Must pull

[low lava]

Def yes, i have 15 rocks for OL. Ill save them all for bunny alice

[barren river]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-disable-reply-pings-pinging-gif-19259231

[low lava]

?

[slate hare]

just roll 1 ammo on her and be done with it tf

[tender raft]

@ ON

[barren river]

You can always tag me

[drowsy quartz]

[low lava]

No, she is too nice she need all addention from me

[simple raft]

Love you

[simple raft]

I thought this was Nex, meant to tag this

[drowsy quartz]

i knew it

[mild fox]

ok guys. Realistically speaking, is balice even solo raid worthy for normal f2p with that kit? 🥹 I’m just trying to cope into not pulling her cuz 🅱️oda wrecked my stash. I’ve never been shafted so hard in this game

[candid summit]

do you own xmica

[mild fox]

yea

[candid summit]

then probably you can cope with her to keep stacks up

but then you might worry about healing

however next sr is digger

so

[mild fox]

I can’t even invest much into xmica 😂 but yeah the usual team 1&2 have to mald for points 🥶

The rest 40-50 mil each

😭😂😭😂😭

[slate hare]

force cucking is crazy

💀

[low lava]

Meta slaves are crazy for me, Ive started the game cuz of booba. And i stick at game cuz of lore, booba, waifu

Why tf would i play for meta

[formal zenith]

why would you join research threads to bitch about meta

the literal one place not to be if you care oh so little about the meta and you choose to be here

[candid summit]

I can't believe they pulled out "why meta" card in a literal numbers thread

[slate hare]

literally

thats why im even commenting

im a meta player but im not gonna bitch to people about meta if they’re not playing for meta

but the unit threads are literally to discuss how fucking meta the unit is and how to build them

[formal zenith]

the dude cares a lot about the meta just unwilling to admit it

[slate hare]

yeah he’s like

ik its not meta but i just wanna build for waifu

[candid summit]

also I don't understand why they split between meta and waifu

[slate hare]

but doesnt say that

[candid summit]

you can do both, we have insane players thats in top 100 with meme af units build up

[slate hare]

yea as long as you have 2-3 meta teams really well built the other 2 can be non meta and you’ll still be fine

[barren river]

Just need hundreds of dollars

[slate hare]

real

[formal zenith]

you can get top 100 with 24 characters

put in w/e waifu you have as your 25th character

[barren river]

well backing to thread

I guess pull for Alice if you don't have rapunzel is important if you wanna do good numbers in solo raid

[formal zenith]

i'm not sure if upcoming sr needs a healer

do the circles kill the projectiles should be able to 1-1-3

[candid summit]

idk if alice is more damage than xmica tove

but is there enough dps units to fill that crown team

[barren river]

Crown needs permanent heal for her s2

[candid summit]

the thing is without heals crown has a decent uptime already

the problem is getting 1 more dps unit build up

[barren river]

Well yeah

[candid summit]

for example xlud outdamages punzel in that comp for total

but getting xlud free or something in that level is harder

[barren river]

Idk what is better +21% whole battle or modernia/guillotine in flex slot

[candid summit]

than just slamming a 4-4-4 hearler

[candid summit]

you have to test but I think it should be mod/guilly

[barren river]

Iron mg when?

Rapi iron mg pierce

[slate hare]

crown has like 40-45% uptime on S2 without heals

which isnt bad at all

[barren river]

I'm not sure if they make next solo raid "no necessary healer"

I doubt

[candid summit]

what could it be to heal

yes

thats why we are saying that, most sr's needs some healers

🤷‍♂️

[barren river]

Remember is not interception or hard mode boss

they make SR a little different

[candid summit]

if its similar to challange mode from events

still

[barren river]

Specially if they are pulling in banner a healer

[candid summit]

its more for the sg comp and not the healers

[turbid nymph]

Were healers necessary for Alteisen SR?

[candid summit]

they had to make her a healer because sg team really needs one in the long run

[barren river]

Hey if you don't need heal the whole battle I'd really good but personally I doubt

[barren river]

Ohhhhh sure

Imagine don't heal in Alexander xD

[turbid nymph]

[barren river]

Talking about heal, bunnies allow face tank nihiliter breath

I expect something similar in balice

[candid summit]

isn't her heal number a bit low for that

[candid summit]

she is like 60% of rap without burst

but on burstwith 150% potancy

maybe

[formal zenith]

no i don't think so you're better off giving 3 B3 dps full S1 + full burst buffs and 50% of s2 than you are giving 2x b3 double S2 buff

[barren river]

No

[formal zenith]

yes

[soft yew]

Something tells me that this raid will change how the mechanics usually work, maybe less damage if you get the QTEs? Cuz I fucking hope we are not playing OSU for 3 minutes

[little pine]

going off who the next sr is, I don't expect to need a healer for it

don't remember if it's been revealed or only datamined, if latter go check the dm channels for it

[soft yew]

It should be revealed relatively soon

[barren river]

well they made nihilister qte very simple

[gilded siren]

I remember that skyjlv made a video about this, and he recommended having a healer for SR to maximize the uptime of crown S2. This way you can get the most damage out of your two B3 and use the other B3 DPS in another team.

[low lava]

Very simple, i want waifu material more. But i want them at their best. So ill check it for cubes and skill investment what else 😉

And u have to be honest would u have played the game for meta only? I dont think so

[slate hare]

thats fine and all just dont bitch about meta slaves in a thread about meta

[low lava]

I dont bitch about it, i just say what i feel like. And u dont have to feel so attacked immediately. Its very simple, everyone has their own taste.

[slate hare]

i dont feel attacked lol

[low lava]

U do, otherwise u didnt see it like bitch

I am always very straight forward. Its unfortunately lot people nowadays cant handle it

[slate hare]

its fine to have your own taste but someone simply commenting against your choice that doesnt align with meta doesnt necessarily make people a meta slave

[slate hare]

hold on lemme find where the fucks I give are

[low lava]

Ah, that u mean. I tough it was a standard quote. I mean my English is not that well

Ive saw a lot people saying to one who goes meta that they are meta slaves. So i just took over that quote. Didnt know its not like that, sorry

[slate hare]

its fine just dont call people meta slaves about a thread about meta lol

comes with the territory

[low lava]

Ive explained yet 😉

[gilded siren]

guys chill lol

[slate hare]

im chill

[gilded siren]

it's just a game about boobs and asses

[slate hare]

[slate hare]

ye i understand now

[low lava]

Ah glad

[slate hare]

[low lava]

XD

[slate hare]

its just that usually people are like

you’re just a meta slave so shut up

[low lava]

True

Ah i am not like that 😉

English is so hard for me, as Dutch man grammar is 70% different

[drowsy quartz]

@proven wolf are you waiting for release to edit bAlice skill recommendation in pins?

[low lava]

And quote

And cube please n3x 😉

[slate hare]

yeah grammar sucks

i feel you

[low lava]

🙂

[slate hare]

trying to learn german grammar is

[low lava]

Its more easy than English for me haha

[slate hare]

i assume its more similar yeah

for me im just like

why the fuck are there a billion forms

shit sucks

[low lava]

Haha true

[drowsy quartz]

Bastion or Resil like always

[slate hare]

cube either res or bastion

probably bastion since SG team is ammo focus

[drowsy quartz]

probably bastion with 1-2 ammo OL

[low lava]

Also like uhm in Dutch slave means 2 things slave as slave but also slave means following someone or something

[drowsy quartz]

since she reloads 40% on FB

[proven wolf]

You can do it if you want to
I'll just ask you to edit it if I think it's very wrong

[low lava]

Ah oki, i was hoping on healing cube or Vigor

[slate hare]

healing if you need more heals but

she heals a LOT

so not needed

[low lava]

So English and Dutch is so different.

[proven wolf]

I haven't really read anything about Alice yet except for her tove interaction in s1

[low lava]

Ah oki

Resil and bastion got already lot space taken 😦

[slate hare]

yeah…

[low lava]

Thats why blanc is at vigor

[slate hare]

i wish once you got cube 10 you got rid of slot limit

[slate hare]

she uses vigor

not bastion or res

usually bas/res is for dps/people who need ammo/uptime really bad

[low lava]

Ah i see

Thanks 👍

[slate hare]

ye

[low lava]

Agree, im at 7 yet both

[slate hare]

speaking of cubes when are they gonna update cubes

ik the cap on that shit is really gonna be 15 or something

maybe even 20

[low lava]

Yea we need new one that can compare to bastion and resilience

[formal zenith]

it can go all the way to 10

not sure if when that happens

[slate hare]

it does go to 10

[formal zenith]

lvl 10

[slate hare]

but the third slot is still empty

[formal zenith]

the skills

[slate hare]

so its gonna be updated

oh

you’re right

[low lava]

Elem?

[slate hare]

i dont think the skills will level that much tho

[formal zenith]

the third slot is a left over from beta removed mechanic

[slate hare]

what was it for originally?

[formal zenith]

additional skill slot

you could equip some shit into it i believe

[low lava]

Guess ill put sbs at one slaughter or adjudant. To make place for balice at bastion

[slate hare]

i recommend getting bastion level 9 asap

its so nice having 6 slots

[formal zenith]

way far up datamine there should be info about it

[slate hare]

i would go for 10 rn tbh but I dont wanna lose out on the batteries for now

I got it to 9

havent spent since

its been like

2 SRs

already have 24 bastion batteries

[low lava]

Its my idea too to bring resil and bastion to 10 too. But i want bring Vigor or healing cube first to 5/7 and adjudant to 7

For RH

[slate hare]

level vigor

it has more overall use

and still can be temp till healing gets leveled

for example tia uses hp

[low lava]

I have tia at adjudant 😉

[slate hare]

you can also slap it on any pvp unit

speaking of pvp need to get quantum to 7

waiting for more currency

12k not enough

[low lava]

Quantum is for SR haha i dont like arena that much

[slate hare]

fair

shit sucks

at least after cp update I have better chance of competing with some ppl cause ik their ols suck they’re just a billion levels ahead of me

now im at 300k cp on 2 teams vs 220k and a 200k

very nice

[low lava]

Yes

I have 280k but im in competition against people with 600k

Boring

At least that was like it now idk

[slate hare]

case in point

[low lava]

Yea i know it. I feel u, it sucks

[slate hare]

before I had no chance

now I can probably beat him

[low lava]

Good luck

Im only using auto match at arena haha

[slate hare]

close

i need more sustain

[low lava]

Who know balice 😉

[slate hare]

no burst gen

unfortunately

her heal takes too long to proc for pvp too

i fixed it though for tomorrow

this seems better

3rd team still too free though cause of jackal feed but iiwii

need s anis to fix this

[drowsy quartz]

can you move PVP talk to #pvp-arena-discussion

?

[slate hare]

ye sorry

[low lava]

She gives 10% burst gauche at start i tough

So u start with 10%+ burst

[slate hare]

its after full burst ends

[low lava]

Oh sorry

Oh yea

[slate hare]

so shes not usable in pvp

if it was just 10% burst gen in general she’d be broken for pvp

[low lava]

Haha ye

[slate hare]

slap her on jackal team

and never lose

[low lava]

Haha

[slate hare]

[drowsy quartz]

2x sorry -> proceeds pvp talk

[barren river]

Ban

[slate hare]

tbf it was related to alice

[turbid nymph]

I made a simplified python simulation for Tove's S1 stacks without BAlice in ideal condition(Infinite ammo). Even with infinite ammo, its uptime is kinda low

Tove's S1 fully stacked time / total time(3min))
Target FPS : 60

Skill 1 Level : 3
Average : 0.5828981481481481
std div : 0.08741370475196467

Skill 1 Level : 6
Average : 0.7276388888888888
std div : 0.0884717376966014

Skill 1 Level : 9
Average : 0.840611111111111
std div : 0.07181521354921491

Script : https://www.online-python.com/xjnzWuF7gY

I've started to think just focusing on BAlice' S1 and leaving Tove's S1 low might be an option

[little pine]

the way to go is to focus on balice's ammo and not tove's yeah

the results of my sim are here, it models most everything I could think of #1245286572832591874 message

you still want tove s1 to be 9 because getting that first stack is a huge pita if the skill level is low

even at 9 I had one run that took tove solo 40s to reach L3, gonna be far worse at 3

[turbid nymph]

I want Tove's S1 to be Lv9 of course, but I don't have enough mats for both BAlice S1 and Tove's S1
I hope BAlice S1 won't require Lvl8+ to be effective

[low lava]

Haha was to complete the talk, it was so short also it was about balice. So its also related to this one. Like u saw it didnt happen after it ;).

[little pine]

I fully expect needing 9 or 10 to reach the number shown, since it was tove that started that whole black number changing business, balice would be a natural to follow

at least s2 doesn't sound like it needs much to get most of the way there

[vast sinew]

Midlice

[nocturne grail]

It's today?

[thorny lava]

https://tenor.com/view/fuwamoco-not-tomorrow-today-today-hololive-gif-4645002926787297800

Seven hours~

[nocturne grail]

I'm obviously going for her.

[loud leaf]

And 1 copy should be good enough?

[thorny lava]

Yup

[loud leaf]

Neato

[thorny lava]

Her only scaling is Max HP for the healing

Similar to other healers, the healing is strong enough that dupes are only a bonus, not mandatory

especially since she's wishlistable

[surreal delta]

yeah you're not gonna use her in any cp-gated content

so no extra dupe is needed

unless she's the only one you have

[nocturne grail]

Or you just want her burst animation.

[loud leaf]

Yeah I was thinking to not try and get dupes for both soda and alice, since they can likely survive in SR

[nocturne grail]

1h and 27 minutes until her banner is here.

[nocturne grail]

59 minutes left.

[low lava]

Yaaaaayyyyy

[low lava]

Got her after 70 pull

[dapper owl]

testing

Ok

[low lava]

Now i wait for someone to tell which cube is the best 😉

[dapper owl]

It seems feeding Tove via Balice also keeps the attack speed up.
Test done. People go home.

[low lava]

Lol

[nocturne grail]

I feel like the healing cube would fit her in my opinion.

[dapper owl]

Even at lvl 6 S1 on Tove, it will take a miracle for your stacks to drop.

So yeah, whoever is pulling Balice for your SHARTGUN team can go all in

mine only have one

[nocturne grail]

I'm going to try this team out for Alice.

[drowsy quartz]

40s B0

good luck

[dapper owl]

note that testing inside guide shooting room can be wonky

as the thing jumps ALL THE TIME

[vapid dove]

It’s bunny day? I actually forgot all about it

[dapper owl]

you have a decent chance of dropping stacks when boss jumps and becomes untargetable
but you build up stacks with Balice EXTREMELY fast

so isn't that much of an issue

tldr: still lvl tove's s1 up to 9 just to make sure

[formal zenith]

is she good

i really want her cuz alice waifu

[low lava]

I tough too, but if i remind correctly someone said she heals already really lot so she profit more from damage.

[low lava]

Just pull, she is def not bad 🙂

[drowsy quartz]

she's made for Tove (and Leona)

[formal zenith]

i don’t have them

if you don't have rapunzel she can be used as a general healer for crown teams in raids but its not her primary function and depending on how future raids turn out it could also never happen

what about soda then

soda is also made for tove

[drowsy quartz]

^

[formal zenith]

its all 1 big team

[drowsy quartz]

don't pull then, no use

[formal zenith]

waaah

[low lava]

Heal always can be useful 😉

Also she gives ammo which is nice for like Alice and sbs

Don't think this is bad: balice-dd-crown-alice-sbs

[nocturne grail]

So what's a good team for Alice?

[low lava]

But yea lot people says sg team

Im using that team too 🙂

[nocturne grail]

Like this?

[dapper owl]

this guy is literally going all in on shartguns before breaking the wall

fucking respect

[nocturne grail]

Tbh, I was lucky enough to get Mpriv the other night.

Cause I didn't have her.

[quasi ice]

The good thing about the shotgun team is that they're all wishlistable (or will be). No Pilgrims or Limited units required. But they're super-high investment when resources can be better spent on other team comps. I've been telling people not to pull or invest unless they already have a maxed out Tove.

[plucky temple]

how is she in replacement for rapunzel in crown team?

[quasi ice]

I'm glad I put my faith in building the shotgun team, but I wouldn't recommend it to the majority.

[dapper owl]

some are just too LOW TEST to handle shartgun

[cosmic perch]

I didn't build any of them but I'm going to have them all after Alice and I have been saving resources for a while

So I'll do the team at the same time

[quasi ice]

There's no half-measures with Tove and BSoda.

You have to put an alarming amount of resources into them for reliable ramp ups and damage returns.

Looking forward to the experienced testers figuring out how much BAlice needs. Hopefully not too much.

[nocturne grail]

So how would the burst work in order?

[quasi ice]

Exactly that order. Alice bursts every other cycle.

[nocturne grail]

Ok.

[dapper owl]

don't even need to burst with alice

unless boss gives out damage at intervels

[vapid dove]

Someone already trying her with Crown and saying Crown’s “on heal” triggered team atk dmg buff is always up

Fun

[dapper owl]

I'm keeping up Tove stacks with only 1 ammo line and resil. Bastion works too I think

and since the stack feeding doesn't scale up with skill levels
you can say that she actually doesn't need skill investments. Unless you count s2

at lvl 6 Tove's s1, if you can shoot and hit something
You keep up Tove stacks all the time >>>>> attack speed boost all the time

tove and alice reloading aren't an issue if you can still shoot right after reloading

[nocturne grail]

So, what's the team?

[dapper owl]

crown is literally a team, put her with a healer and anything

balice is a non-intrusive healer

do the math

[livid urchin]

How are the skill levels looking for BAlice?

[scenic bison]

1/7/4

[proven wolf]

Check atk buff
Check if atk buff stays up

[scenic bison]

and that if u care about burst

[limpid dagger]

I need help with ol prio... Tove/alice need ammo lines or just ignore them and reroll atker?

[proven wolf]

Tove and Alice lines matter less than DPS lines

[scenic bison]

hell 1/1/1 works

[limpid dagger]

[proven wolf]

Ammo Atk and ele on soda work better than ammo on fkn tove and alice

[scenic bison]

but s2 has that reload

[livid urchin]

Thanks ,)

[limpid dagger]

S2 lvl4

[stable wasp]

SR Shotgun Team 5 ... 1/1/1 on everyone? XD

[limpid dagger]

150/80 + bastion

[proven wolf]

Go on sugar
Check if it keeps atk buff

Or like
Check if sugar keeps stacks

Keep it on sugar all the time and see

[dapper owl]

@proven wolf stacks are still on others most of the time
I know that if you burst with tove with three stacks the atk buffs are distributed anyway, yeah?

I know that, after 10s, the atk buffs are dropped

[proven wolf]

Yeah, the rng is that you need to keep stacks on SG at 3 before bursting

[toxic charm]

Pretty sure it is based on individual stacks

[limpid dagger]

Need to try on mobs stage... Cuz boss jump

[proven wolf]

So at 9 moments over 3 minutes

You will need to make sure that tove has full stacks before bursting

[toxic charm]

Only attack speed based on tove stacks on herself

[proven wolf]

So tove S1 should need lvl9 if you want humane rng

Cuz 5 is too low and fucking stupid

[wheat ivy]

Kinda mid

can't even break mod core before she brrrrrrr cover

[quasi ice]

The shotgun comp gets stomped on mob stages in campaign because I'm well under recommended power with them. But they're good on boss stages.

[proven wolf]

Does Alice heal good

[wheat ivy]

she is fucking 1/4/1 what heal do you want

[frosty solar]

Oh gods this team will eat my skill books for months

[wheat ivy]

[proven wolf]

30 pulls no Alice, what do I do

[wheat ivy]

pull more?

[scenic bison]

keep pulling

[wheat ivy]

inb4 he has no gems

[proven wolf]

Should I skip for summer

[sacred cloud]

pray gd doesnt need balice and u can just mald it

[proven wolf]

I have 433 gems

[wheat ivy]

fucking monkey snake

[loud leaf]

Oh lord snake

[wheat ivy]

[frosty solar]

Also it would be nice to have a minimum -> recommended -> high skill progression for the team on the pin

[proven wolf]

Didn't I give that shit already

[wheat ivy]

How do you even are constantly out of gems

ARE YOU REROLLING MISSIONS DISPATCH?

[loud leaf]

For BAlice it's still tba

[sacred cloud]

he pulls everything to test

[proven wolf]

Yeah
Test

I want b.alice for ur

[scenic bison]

1/1/1 > 1/4/1 > w/e u want

[sacred cloud]

test that lobby screen

[brisk trout]

bed testing

[quasi ice]

A lot of us pull on everything and aren't out of gems.

[frosty solar]

I wanted to know what levels to go for since 10 everything is too expensive

[wheat ivy]

I pull for nearly everything and I have 80k

I fail to see how

[scenic bison]

balice is cheapest part of shartguns

[sacred cloud]

did u buy monthly passes?

[wheat ivy]

no

[dapper owl]

Ok some fucking IMPORTANT discovery here.
You don't need full stacks on your b3 dps shotguns to get the full atk buffs.

[proven wolf]

Minimum investment for SG team:
Tove: 9/7/7
Leona: 4/7/4
Soda: 4/7/7
MPriv: 7/7/7
B.Alice: 4/4/4

[sacred cloud]

r u a crown ticketer and left like me?

[frosty solar]

Thank

[dapper owl]

So you only need Tove to have 3 stacks before bursting

[sacred cloud]

u clearly do in that pic

[wheat ivy]

I did 100 pulls for crown, got a fucking harran and ticketed yeah

[stable wasp]

so ... not 1/1/1 for everyone

[sacred cloud]

u have 2 stacks

friend

[loud leaf]

Got it

👍

[proven wolf]

Ideal investment for SG team:
Tove: 9/10/10
Leona: 7/7/7
Soda: 7/10/10
MPriv: 10/10/7
B.Alice: 4/10/4

[dapper owl]

yeah and 2 stacks is full stacks right?

[sacred cloud]

3 is full

[frosty solar]

Also are you guys overloading for CP on these niche supports, or still not worth?

[sacred cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036760639709921422/1248019899885027358/image.png?ex=6662249b&is=6660d31b&hm=c0d4527ccabf787ad8edf197e98a6be7ddbe9fca26444828e53216164b7eb43e&
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[wheat ivy]

I mean, it's only an aoe nuke

so yeah not needed to be 10

[proven wolf]

It's ATK damage buff

[scenic bison]

i only did overload for tove

[wheat ivy]

fucking wow, less than 10% atk buff

[frosty solar]

It's... something

[proven wolf]

Thats a big ass crit buffs too

[wheat ivy]

Meanwhile soda

[frosty solar]

That's atk%

[proven wolf]

Anyways 7 is enough

[wheat ivy]

ah yes, crit

in NIKKE

[frosty solar]

I guess I need to level Tove now, after Soda