[Soda: Twinkling Bunny] New Unit Megathread

[fluid stag]

[tribal salmon]

I'm thinking of all 4/4/4 sg team for my team 5

[fluid stag]

Snake, boda is meta pvp?

Imma pull for her if she is meta in pvp

[rose mango]

Yeah, clip SG insta slotted in

[fluid stag]

Ok must pull

[tribal salmon]

Tove donesn't need lv9 S1 with Blice?

[opal lantern]

Ideally u want it to be 9

But

I wonder if Tove 5 + SAnis works

Now that we have Balice

[tribal salmon]

[misty estuary]

Tove 9 + B.Alice makes dropping fairly unlikely even if B.Alice needs to reload

[tight grove]

we should get a crazy ass electric shotgun pilgrim one day so sanis can really shine

[zinc rover]

draw your last pathetic card so i can end this yugi

[misty estuary]

I'VE ASSEMBLED ALL 5 SPECIAL NIKKES.

ALL 5 PIECES OF THE PUZZLE.

[fluid stag]

Next raid electric stormbringer

[viscid bluff]

so there is no way to restore bsoda stack ?

[rose mango]

Tove

Atk SPEED

[lucid nest]

don't burst with her?

[viscid bluff]

so the only way is not burst with her

damn

[lucid nest]

why do you want to keep her stacks tho?

for 1.3% crit dmg each stack?

Because it's impossible to drop her stack below 30 unless she doesn't attack

[tight grove]

next boss dispels buffs

bye bye boda

[lucid nest]

[viscid bluff]

for raid

it will be a long run

so kinda want for her to have 30 throughout the fight

[lucid nest]

SG team can burst max 9 times

without CDR

so 5 for Soda

each burst she will lose around 2 chips with a lot of ammo

5 x 2 = 10

even if you don't have that much uptime, let's say you lose 4 chips per burst

[viscid bluff]

doesnt her burst delete 17 chips ?

[lucid nest]

5 x 4 =?

yeah

her own burst

[rose mango]

You regain stacks too

[lucid nest]

and you have her whole burst + other burst

to farm back chip

every 3 shots

15s on her own + 15s on other = 30s

that's about 45 shots

or 15 stacks

well reload happens, so give or take, -4

[viscid bluff]

oh she does get back per 3 shot

i see

tove could work

[fluid stag]

Pull because meta PvP

[viscid bluff]

so a right team is balice tove bsoda and the bunnies ?

or b2 will be leona and b3 will be mprivaty

[lucid nest]

that could work

[misty estuary]

it's not complicated

[lucid nest]

but Blanc buff won't last that long

mind you

[misty estuary]

just run tove soda

and fire and forget

[viscid bluff]

at least i have tove

no leona sadly

[rose mango]

Order of upgrading:
Tldr: Soda > Tove > mPriv > Leona

Soda S2 > tove S1 > Tove S2 > soda S1 > mPriv S1 > Leona S2 > mPriv S2 > Leona S1

Tove Burst > Soda Burst > mPriv burst > Leona Burst

[viscid jackal]

do you need soda in an Mpriv team?

[lucid nest]

[quartz orchid]

with soda having so much crit damage and leona+tove buffing crit rates/damage. crit rate lines good?

[fierce lake]

they unironically give some increase because shotguns can't abuse coreshots anyway

[lucid nest]

yeah, crit seems to be SG niche now

in Nikke, crit starts at 15%, crit dmg starts at 150%
so each 1% crit should worth 3.33% crit dmg

remind me of wuwa, each 1% crit equals 10% crit dmg

[misty estuary]

I mean you can just look at the OL line values to figure out what SU thinks the valuation is

[lucid nest]

rolling crit dmg is still slightly worse than expected but it's okay

in wuwa, rolling crit dmg = bricked

[tight grove]

then compare it to atk% to see how they value atk vs crit

[lucid nest]

[lucid nest]

well that's something else

[misty estuary]

Intangibly

crit rate is better than crit damage on OL lines in NIKKE

[lucid nest]

slightly but yeah

[misty estuary]

primarily bc there's a lot of crit damage buffers

and not a lot of crit rate buffers

[lucid nest]

but in big picture

both are shit

[misty estuary]

they are shit until they SU learns to pump them big enough

[tight grove]

treasure crit upgrades

[lucid nest]

throw them into different category will work

[misty estuary]

different category is def not happening, but tbh it's fine

[summer lily]

I forgor cuz i dont pay attention to SG, is crit calced per shot or each individual pellet?

[lucid nest]

per pellet

[misty estuary]

as I said, the issue has always just been to pump the numbers high enough

but SU decided to start base values of crit dmg at +50% and crit rate at +15%, which are appropriate numbers for a multiplicative formula like in genshin but not appropriate for this game

this is actually still fair

but on top of this early units gave cringe buffs like

base Scarlet S2 giving +6.61% crit damage for being under 60%

which is like

trash value for genshin, trash value for this game, trash formula

hitting you with the triple whammy nerf

but if you pumped that value to +60.61%, it'd be kind of okay, and then if you made high crit rate buffs have more uptime (like +35% for 10s per cycle), then it would be decent, tho still nowhere close to her S1

[night pewter]

Actually crit dmg is better.

Crit rate buffs are useless because if you're lucky, you can land a crit every time regardess of crit rate.

[misty estuary]

these days buffs just work based off of having some enormously inflated buffs

[misty estuary]

yeah good luck rolling for better crit rate on 30 pellets per second over 5 units over 180 seconds

[lucid nest]

I don't know why games these days are so obssessed with 150% crit dmg

200% is such a holy number

[rose mango]

Just get lucky

[lucid nest]

each crit rate = % dmg increased

[misty estuary]

just reset until the end of the universe

you'll get like +5% damage

[lucid nest]

Blizzard: I have carefully calculated this number for you
Genshin and their copies: Nah

[tight grove]

this is why gacha rates shouldn't be higher than 0.1%

just be lucky

[rose mango]

I only do 1 pull per banner because I trust in my luck

Don't need that 4% SSR rate up

[quartz orchid]

nah you just broke, boi

[fluid stag]

Must mlb

[pure grove]

They are not a synergy

[quartz orchid]

balice only supports bsoda's ammo

ammo refill like noir during fb

[pure grove]

Yeah and BAlice is better off with the Tovr comp or with the meme team that I built that makes A2 heal a lot maintaining her B-Mode

[tepid token]

Soda must pull, BAlice is optional

[pure grove]

I think BSoda has some time in the spotlight

Let's say Liter/Rupee(or SHelm)/Noir/Drake/BSoda asone example

Btw has anyone thought of this? B1/Crown/Priv/BSoda/Flex

[fluid stag]

Remember summon ppsg rats

[pseudo drift]

how much worse is the new Tove-MPriv-MSoda-Sanis- team with Dolla/SHelm instead of Leona? Also who bursts?

[indigo shale]

a lot worse because that team has 0 healing and will die after the first big hit

[pseudo drift]

okay besides that

[indigo shale]

so you need to drop ASS for either BAlice or Marciana

[pseudo drift]

is Balice kit out?

[indigo shale]

#1245286572832591874

[pseudo drift]

oh it is

burst I...

okay back to my original q, is this team doable without Leona?

I dont have Leona

[indigo shale]

yes

Leona is not as important as Tove

definitely helps but Tove is much more important

[pseudo drift]

no issue stacking buffs without Leona?

[indigo shale]

Leona never did anything for Tove

[pseudo drift]

didnt she increase pellets to make it less horrible rng to stack buffs

[indigo shale]

she helps the B3 SGs by increasing their effective range bonus, crit/crit damage and for MPrivaty the pellets to proc her S2 more

[heavy flint]

Leona only buffs privM's kit and all shotguns range.

And PrivM needs Leona to work efficiently

[indigo shale]

ARs don't shoot pellets

[pseudo drift]

I'm referring to the viability of the WHOLE team

not just Tove, my guy

[indigo shale]

#1244976866516008990 message

???????

[pseudo drift]

okay why did you just make a snarky comment about ARs

[indigo shale]

do you even know what tove uses

[pseudo drift]

smg

[indigo shale]

no

AR

[pseudo drift]

okay again

I was talking about pellets

[indigo shale]

can you please go read Tove's S1

[pseudo drift]

and you said some shit about ARs like you thought it was worth breath

[indigo shale]

and understand how Leona does jackshit for Tove because she's using an AR

[pseudo drift]

I feel like you are being willfully frustrating

Frankyub knew what I meant

why don't you?

[indigo shale]

I gave you the answer already

and you're not understanding

is the problem here

[pseudo drift]

I understand that Leona buffs MPriv who is part of the team I asked about, and you said Leona doesn't buff Tove

which is a fine answer

but for some reason you're digging in to make a fine answer into a dumb one

[indigo shale]

Yes and you mention about pellets which is why I said ARs don't shoot pellets

so it doesn't affect her in anyway

[pseudo drift]

alright I'm gonna write this conversation off as a bust and figure out the team strength myself

[analog ruin]

Interception better start giving me Tetra Attacker gear. I think I have enough, but it will be stealing from other Nikke that I thankfully haven't OL'd.

Support isn't much better.

[summer lily]

I only just now got alice in 4 piece OL 3 weeks ago and all i have now is a single tetra Hat to my name in terms of attacker tetra pieces

Its joever

[indigo shale]

I wouldn't worry too much about it SG comp is a very expensive comp to invest into so if you haven't already invested into at least 3 comps for UR/SR then focus on that for now

SG is still atm very much a team 4/5

[analog ruin]

I've been in a Tetra gear drought for at least six months. I have the core units outfitted before that mess started, but it's been a long time since I've seen any Tetra gear. Chest pieces are the worst off.

It's rough because they have the most units and are getting two more.

[indigo shale]

unfortunately just rng at work

[heavy flint]

Damn, I gotta feel blessed that I have a spare tetra set ready for Bsoda

Can't say the same with pilgrim gear tho

[cold quarry]

I can give some budd

So soda is great or no

[summer lily]

fair enough, im really just looking for what to do to improve my 5th teams usually as i only just started getting into caring about SR since either crystal chamber or stormbringer, forgot which one came first before the other

but since then i've been slightly cucked every time from reaching top 3% for the III version of the avatar frame XD

always like 3.20 or 3.50%, etc

[indigo shale]

yeah focus on teams 1-3 honestly

I no joke just pepega my teams 4-5 mostly and get under 1% no problem

with just the proper investments/comps with teams 1-3

[robust beacon]

I just look at my 1/1/1 Leona, Tove, MPriv and go ... is it worth pulling here or just putting her on the Wishlist?

[heavy flint]

Yup. Don't focus on them until you t1-t3 are complete

[summer lily]

yeah my OLs for other stuff have been going OK for the most part. for tetra is literally only Alice and i just OL'd xludmila boots to start working on her and then this new banner comes up lol. my only other 4 piece OL units are crown, rem, and emilia cuz the game loves drowning me in abnormal gear

[indigo shale]

rip

[summer lily]

and idc for pvp so i have pilgrim defender gear collecting dust until crown came along cuz i surely wasn't doing it for noah

still need a lot more attacker pieces though but im getting there, most of them are 2 piece OL at least now for pilgrim

[heavy flint]

But even if you don't care about PvP You should at least try to get a team ready, the passive gem income you get from it is invaluable

[summer lily]

i was trying to get to a level where im not just getting CP gapped 80% of the time before i started at least tossing a megar amount of investment

cuz if i just lose every match cuz im fighting teams like 50+ levels above me, 300 gems aint doin much for me

i do get ur point tho

[heavy flint]

Did you stop playing at any point?

If so then rip

[summer lily]

indeed, a long time actually so im playing a very large game of catchup

[heavy flint]

Yeah that's the reason then

[summer lily]

i started playing from the final CBT all the way up until the end of OG helms banner lol

and then i picked the game back up recently last year during winter ludmilla banner

so i dont even have summer anis and such

[indigo shale]

franky feels your pain on this

[summer lily]

i have 1k milage now(i would've had 1400 but mlb crown didn't feel like appearing after 250 pulls soooo)

so my body is ready to instantly grab her

[heavy flint]

Yes

[tight grove]

your issue won't be the characters but having the mats to raise them all

[summer lily]

oh absolutely

#1245286572832591874 message

idt im going to get like any skills past lvl7 for the forseeable future unless they are so meta defining and need such a specific breakpoint/mechanical reasoning to lvl10 it that i'd be griefing to not do it

not worth spending like 100x the mats going from 7 to 10 when it generally gives the same boost as going from 1 to 3-5ish depending on the scaling lol

[pseudo drift]

except sometimes skills have big intermittent jumps at various skill levels, like Tove S1 going from 4% to 5% at level 9

makes a big diff

[summer lily]

yeah that's what im refering to when i say mechanical reasonings

stuff like that

or crown s2 that makes the shot count go down per level

[heavy flint]

Or tia's S1 not being able to loop if it isn't 7

[summer lily]

so it makes a huge uptime diff and max ammo OL line change

[indigo shale]

nah 4 is enough

any higher is mainly for the attack damage buff

[heavy flint]

Yeah, if you use her with Liter

[pseudo drift]

shotgun team is weaponized fomo, if you don't have one piece and you have to wishlist someone it sounds like it falls way below par

[heavy flint]

I don't

[indigo shale]

no 4 is enough because 10sec x2 =20 and she is a 40sec CD B1

do the math

[summer lily]

i was asking this in the alice chat already but does the difference even really matter anymore due to Balice maintaining tove stacks now?

[pseudo drift]

depends on if they change the language on either Alice or Tove (not likely to be Tove). If alice only increases stack count on Tove and Leona, then the 2 b3s can lose them

thats my current understanding of the situation

[summer lily]

oh i thought alice would keep making tove refresh third stack which would in tern keep making temporary modification keep fully stacking and applying to all allies

[pseudo drift]

I don't know, it still might work

[summer lily]

■ There is a 5% chance of activating when attacking. Affects self.

Emergency-Crafted Bullets: Reload 5.31% of the magazine(s).

■ Activates during Emergency-Crafted Bullets. Affects all allies.

Temporary Modification: Max Ammunition Capacity[...]

so like alice keeps procing the emergency crafted bullet stacks which keeps procing temp mod stacks, and that keeps procing tove s2 in turn when temp mod fully stacked

at least that's how i read it

i wouldn't put it past shiftup to burn the edges of the meal they made in the kitchen though and make the stacks droppable on the 2 units that matter which would be your DPS shotgun units

[pseudo drift]

it would be basically kick the chair out from under balice so I'll wait and see

[summer lily]

im honestly just surprised they made soda iron

instead of water to match the whole thing they got goin on

maybe if she was a pilgrim

[pseudo drift]

right now I'm also in a bad spot because I skipped Leona, and after MPriv came out I really wanted a shotgun team but it feels pretty bad without keeping mpriv stacks up

and I'm back in that position

[summer lily]

may you lose a 50/50 to leona then

[pseudo drift]

that would be huge

[daring gulch]

Is bsoda clip sg?

[fierce lake]

From the info yes. We'll see after maint

[heavy flint]

From the demo it is kinda obvious

But yup, wait until maintenance starts to confirm it

[unborn wave]

I too am in this boat cause I didnt play all summer

[analog ruin]

Feels pretty nice having shotgun mostly invested because it felt incomplete before.

But the materials for BSoda are still going to hurt.

Iron specific books have been taking a beating for a lot of banners in a row.

[tacit wharf]

Don't have a single shotgun team invested so it's dead to me

not gonna spend around, what 8k+ books and god knows how many rocks, unless by some miracle the team becomes hyper meta

[unborn wave]

i think sodab is still worth getting and building cause she can still be used in other teams, even if her best team is SG

[frail prism]

I think if you're played long enough, your teams are mostly set. So investing in a SG team will at least give you something to aim for.

[robust beacon]

What other teams?

[fierce lake]

Datamine confirms that Gravedigger is the next SR.

INVEST INVEST INVEST in SG.

[lucid nest]

and Soda is clip reload

[fierce lake]

the newest clip reload shotty, only took them 10 million years

[gleaming flame]

@rose mango is she really SS tier unit? Looks like a shotgun meta unit to me

But my shotgun support is non existent

[foggy anchor]

They make an improvement

Back then we need duo, now we need trio meta, BAlice, Tove, BSoda

[quartz orchid]

aw shit fr?

[glacial axle]

[unborn wave]

she can work in bunnies

shes a pvp unit

she could technically work in FS if you’re missing someone

she’s very self sufficient

[drowsy hollow]

.

[tepid token]

So is Soda good as you guys think?

[quaint tendon]

Pull?

[rose mango]

Please wait
1 day

Just 1 day

Bro

[tepid token]

You are gonna eat your words on "BSoda is SS/SSS Tier"

[rose mango]

No I'm not

[tepid token]

[tight grove]

soda herself is fucking strong

go blame the other characters in the team if her output doesn't reflect it

[fierce lake]

Still waiting for that OL lines rec

[lucid nest]

[tight grove]

bsoda is clip now confirmed

[opal lantern]

1x Max Ammo

Minimum

[fierce lake]

that's not ammo

[opal lantern]

Keep

[warped kite]

• 11k CP from these 2 OLs??

[fierce lake]

My bsoda has 55% crit rate with leona.
Finally, I have an optimal genshit-like crit ratio

[drowsy hollow]

do tove or leona need any OL? and balice

[rose mango]

Tove 4 ammo if you wanna give it to her
Leona atk+ele if you want her to be a DPS

Ele > atk for leona

[drowsy hollow]

is optional or ?

i dont want to waste rock on them

[rose mango]

Optional but doesn't hurt

There's better units to ol

[opal lantern]

80 pulls

Got yuni and tove extra

Gayyyy

[drowsy hollow]

probably 2x ammo and then rest is att/ele

[tepid token]

Skip or pull, guys?

[gritty pulsar]

If you have Tove + Leona and aot of skill books, yes for SG meta

[tepid token]

Someone said just wait one day

[cloud snow]

As said above, are you going into SG team investment?

[thorny sleet]

@rose mango Hey what happened to that SSS/SS pin?

[rose mango]

Making new pin soon

Just removed it

[thorny sleet]

Was that horny you speaking?

[rose mango]

Nah

Previously what happened was that rem was put into death

But now that laplace exists

Rem is back

So it's back to competitive slot pressure and team choice pressure on T4/5

[thorny sleet]

whoa laplace making a comeback?

[rose mango]

Yeah for sure

[foggy anchor]

Whoa, unexpected

[rose mango]

She's modernia lvl dps

Now

[foggy anchor]

What the heck

Sounds strong

[tepid token]

See, this is why I'm waiting

[rose mango]

So if you want to aim for a treasure, aim laplace

And invest in rem

Now frima might be in play too

[thorny sleet]

shit I havent even updated the game yet lol

[rose mango]

So it's really tough rn on how to make everything into sense

I await SIN cooks to teach me how Nikke works yet again in solo raid (gd)

[tepid token]

So among 4 reworks NIKKE, only Laplace enter meta?

[fierce lake]

Exia is there but people haven't looked at her yet.

[tepid token]

bruh, 10 first pulls

[thorny sleet]

enjoy your horny rabbit

[tepid token]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-cat-gif-14974279292348771528

Kisenix 's face when he has to write two new reviews for 2 new NIKKE, and 4 reviews for 4 rework NIKKE.

[gritty pulsar]

Oh damn, i forgot Rem would buff laplace

Vol Rem Lap SBS Alice new raid team?

[tepid token]

3 skills resets are not enough!!

[rose mango]

No

[opal lantern]

Laplace -> Frima

Exia is also good even without electric units in team

Cus damage taken is goated

[tepid token]

Is just me or ShiftUp copy paste skills for rework NIKKE?

[opal lantern]

I assume 4 7 are the breakpoints

[fierce lake]

for s1?

yep, got 50 coins on 7

[opal lantern]

Scope lock, so PrivM at disadvantage.

Lightning boss, so Soda has elemental bonus.

PrivM still has more damage.

In the real world.

[fierce lake]

I'm not even sure if I should keep my hitrate lines for privm

[lucid nest]

SODAAAAA

damn, I have so many charge speed on her

2 lines now, with 11% hit rate

atk ele where

S1: 40/45/50 chips, require lv 1/4/7
S2: Scale normally, fix 5s
S3: Scale normally, fix -17 chip

assuming - 10 chip, you can keep S1 at lv 1, but lv 4 is fine

[cold sluice]

U will never run out of chips

Just levelup for skill scale

[opal lantern]

Level up for PVP

[copper cairn]

Oops wrong chat

[charred swan]

fuck you

[wispy sierra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif

[quartz orchid]

can she be main pvp dps in a team?

or too slow compared to ass?

[cyan flame]

For anyone that has B Soda, how useful is she?

[long wagon]

what are the skill thresholds?

[foggy anchor]

Makes me cum quickly, segs/10

[opal lantern]

4 7 7

Minimum

4 10 7 better

Then 4 10 10 best

7 10 10 highest

[long wagon]

tyty, ill work towards that

[slim vessel]

how many hit rate need?

[fierce lake]

GENTS

WE SHOWER FUCK SODA IN BOND

[charred swan]

MLB

[dire finch]

Bruh... I just reset her for sg cope...

[opal moon]

Probably pin the skill setup?

[charred swan]

is sg team still a cope

because tove stacks on individual units instead of on herself so balice doesn't really fix it

[tepid token]

BSoda need no LB, right?

[quartz orchid]

wait for balice

[rose mango]

@rough forge

[fluid stag]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-25837115

[rough forge]

OLs mf

[zealous peak]

@lucid nest did you test bunny soda yet? i'm running some scope lock stuff and her reload seems bugged/delayed

[rose mango]

ele, atk, hitrate, ammo

[rough forge]

what about burst gen for pvp

clip shotty yo

[rose mango]

yeah

what about it

[tight grove]

same as all others

[rose mango]

[rough forge]

bueno

cube bastion I guess

[misty estuary]

I ran the numbers and this def doesn't seem true lol

[rose mango]

blame gatrix then

i havent checked it myself yet

trying to figure out what tf is increasing my cp and by how much

we know its OL rolls, and each tier upgrade increases cp, but dont know by how much

[tepid token]

Just a reminder that 4 rework on NIKKE make them worth to get skill lv up, so you guys shouldn't simp all for the big booties

[terse echo]

I'm reading that only Laplace might matter to stablished people

Preliminary comments mostly

[tepid token]

Diesel worth in PvP, Frima is questionable, Exia almost meta

[rose mango]

it also seems to be that

the OL roll type doesnt matter

the tier matters

so like

ATK tier 1 = Crit rate tier 1

and so on

[misty estuary]

Idk what comparisons gatrix ran but I still remember him spreading around a DPS chart where all the characters used completely different teams

[rose mango]

that chart was trying to compare optimal usage that the character will possibly see

so scarlet wasnt seen in tia naga, but with doro sanis

but alice was seen in tia naga

kinda like that

it was meant for personal use anyways

just to get an idea of where every dps stands

not his fault it was flaunted

we just trust it enough cuz we have nothing else to go on

[misty estuary]

Dunno about that

He frequently posted it no context

In maincord

[zealous peak]

has anyone tested her yet and noticed a ~1.5 second delay before she starts reloading?

[misty estuary]

[rose mango]

probably cuz he trusted himself to be correct in that context

anyways, dont care enough about it

i want cp info

[misty estuary]

No I guarantee the context was just your typical who's better, Superman or Goku

[tight grove]

goku!

[rose mango]

which would still be..
"he believed he was correct in that context"

[misty estuary]

You mean he has a tendency to post a chart and then pepeswimming emote

Refuses to elaborate

Then leaves

[rose mango]

if u ask him, he elaborates

[misty estuary]

Yeah I meant metaphorically

In the meme sense

[rose mango]

yeah i understand

anyways u can tag him and correct him, hes here in #1245677309017718796

[misty estuary]

I also hate this

If the claim here is "modernia tier dps" but the context is "I'm scoring a double hit 100% of the time"

Then why isn't that laid out

[rose mango]

what, i mean he prolly just thinks that modernia vs laplace would be fair vs a boss with core cuz modernia is known as an MG who's dps is fairly increased against a boss with core

laplace simply just benefits better since she can pierce during burst ig

[last basalt]

Modernia tier DPS implies a core though, because MG

[rose mango]

again bro, u can just
talk to him directly

hes here

[misty estuary]

I said

Double hit

Not core

Modernia crushes most characters vs core on a fair comparison

[tight grove]

dot

[torn thunder]

and does laplace also have the advantage of doing fast charge?

you just need to make sure the buff stack is active through her burst

[rose mango]

from what nikke.gg said in their recent article, fast spam is bad for laplace?

[torn thunder]

the buff stack is 15 seconds long

[little tusk]

so.... how's bunny soda

[lost veldt]

very hot, definetly would

[clear lava]

What about stack 5 stack burst then spam until she get her burst again then 5 stack

[rose mango]

maybe do this i guess?

[last basalt]

Yes, Laplace can spam fire now because her buff isn't 5s anymore, it's 15

[torn thunder]

anyway that should be more burst gen than modernia

[torn thunder]

you only need to full charge once to keep the stack lmao

[clear lava]

Oh true lol

But idk how strong is s2

Cuz it require full charge

Unlike before which is last bullet

[torn thunder]

oh then you can just spam shot on a maxwell or another sr without full charge skill

[clear lava]

That why i was confusing myself lol

Cuz they change the conditions

[tight grove]

what are the target skills

10/x/10?

[rose mango]

4~7/10/7~10
i think

[tight grove]

s1 chips not that important?

[charred swan]

this one I guess

[royal crystal]

So is she worth pulling?

[rose mango]

hmm

[opal lantern]

She needs full team

• Tove needs B Alice

• Leona needs Tove AND BAlice

• PrivM needs B Soda

• PrivM and B Soda need Tove and Leona somewhat

• All of them need B Alice for heals.

So unless u have all these 5 units, no, maybe not.

In fact, dont use PrivM without B Soda

[broken gazelle]

if i don't have the others invested yet probably better to wishlist the new bunnies and save for summer limited units?

[charred swan]

I got soda at 30 I hope balice will also be kind to me

[opal lantern]

Correct

Their peak performance is indeed incredible

[broken gazelle]

i have all the units aside from the new ones but no skill/gear so i guess this will be my next long-term project

[opal lantern]

Gatrix did say Soda has nice damage if all pellets hit, and in practice, PrivM can come quite close (or maybe higher).

Obviously thanks to the 15s FB extension

The problem with this team is that every unit has a weakness another unit patches.

Except, well, B. Soda herself lmao

And B. Alice

They are the enablers

Also stop writing essay u dumb

[rustic sail]

i pulled her still very confusing kit tho

im not a shotgun fan

[surreal shard]

All bunnies are must pull though

[lost veldt]

Since Soda is Iron code, she kinda can work with Rupee? 🤔

[rose mango]

Should you pull? / Is she good?

Yes and No.

• Yes: Soda is a late-game unit. If you are a veteran player and want to be competitive in raids and fight for a spot in the top 200 of raids, I believe you should pull this unit. However, keep in mind, soda is NOT a magic wand like Red Hood. She needs a full team built with her, which consists of Tove, Leona, MaidPrivaty and in the near future, Alice:Wonderland Bunny.
• No: Soda is a late-game unit. If you are an early or mid game player (have not reached chapter 24 yet), you can skip her. It is better to focus on your core units at this time. This new SG team is mostly for use of in Solo Raids, where 5 teams are required. Additionally, there are good substitutes to this new shotgun meta team, which include the use of Rem (limited nikke) and Snow White (Pilgrim unit, hard to play and execute with her ideal team). The SG meta team is an alternate team 4/5 for Solo Raid players, and players can definitely skip this unit if they dont plan to go hard in SR. There are use-cases where this team may be good for Union Raid, but other teams such as Crown-Rapunzel, Tia-Naga, Blanc-Noir, and Dorothy-Privaty combos should suffice for most players in this game

More about Soda
Soda is a very simple DPS. She shoots and does tons of damage. BUT, that is only true if she is in the right team! That team, in its most meta form, consists of Tove, Leona, MaidPrivaty, and in the near future, Bunny Alice. There are replacements for units, such as dolla for leona, sugar for maidprivaty, marciana for Bunny Alice, but they all lead to weaker, less ideal team comps for our new SG DPS unit. Her DPS output highly depends on Tove's S1 stacks for ATK speed in order to re-stack her Skill 1.

Soda is not just a DPS, she is also a support, and helps one other DPS alongside her output tons of DPS as well. Not just that, she is also a CLIP SG, allowing her to be a strong choice for PvP for Burst Gen, as well as being a support buffer!

[rose mango]

Overload Lines:
1-2 Ammo
4 Elemental
4 ATK
1-3 Hit Rate

Crit rate is ok but nothing amazing

[rose mango]

Skill Priority:
Starting -> minimum -> recommended -> high
4/4/4 -> 4/10/4 -> 7/10/7 -> 7/10/10

[lost veldt]

Question: Do you NEED LBs/Cores on her? Or not really needed?

[rose mango]

no unit in this game NEEDs LBs/Cores EXCEPT treasure units

So only 4 units in this game NEED dupes

[lost veldt]

Ok, let me rephrase

is she significantly better with more LBs/Cores?

[rose mango]

no

[lost veldt]

or not too significant a difference?

Oh, ok

phew, my gems are safe

[rose mango]

stay 1 copy imo, its fine

only pull for dupes if you are hypercompetitive or want the mlb lobby screen

[opal lantern]

I wouldnt LB anything other than limited units and pilgrims

Period

[lost veldt]

You're a sane man

I should do the same

But sometimes the hornee takes over me

YEAH, LOOKING AT YOU, MAID PRIVATY

[heavy flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076238531371991181/1238303160536399894/nikke_2024.05.09_-_19.28.37.03.DVR.gif

[robust beacon]

Is her PvP use just equivalent to that of Drake?

[rose mango]

kindof yeah

bit better prolly?

[robust beacon]

+X% attack damage and additional damage trigger

attack damage is quite a bit better than ATK

[surreal shard]

Will she get put into normal rotations or future event only?

[royal crystal]

So I have everyone except Leona, is the team still doable?

[alpine delta]

So I read the pins, my understanding is that if you already late game, then soda shotgun team is good team 4/5 for sr. How does shotgun team compare to other team 4/5 options? If shotgun team a must have for those slots, then I might pull.

[rose mango]

better or worse according to situation

like crystal chamber, maid priv sg team would be better than snowwhite

but then we come to stormbringer, boss far away, sg team benched, others used

and then we come to indivilia, where rem was benched, but others were used

[tight grove]

my view is a little bit different

people late to the game have pretty much no shot of obtaining rh/modernia/sbs/sw/doro dare i say scarlet anyone still cares about her? all on 1 acc

sg team could easily become their team 3

but they would have to make that decision themselves

[alpine delta]

Snow White not built cuz I got her really late (beginning of 2024) and I’m always worried that at this point she might be pushed out of team 4/5 position due to powercreep. In your opinion and taking into consideration all bosses and weaknesses, do you think shotgun team with soda worth investing in more compared to a full Snow White team or no?

[pseudo drift]

snow white will always have a place on bosses with parts for competetive types

unless another unit comes out that does exactly what she does but better

[rose mango]

snowwhite is currently the better b3

but the problem is that snowwhite is also the harder to use b3

anytime theres pierce, snow WILL leave others in the dust

but then sg team is a much easier, yet more expensive, alternative for snowwhite

u may lose out on dps but at least you wont be malding out of your mind

[pseudo drift]

yeah crit fishing with yulha sw teams is... not really fun imo

[alpine delta]

Hmm alright thanks for input both of you. Guess I’m leaning more towards sg team for now

[rose mango]

just rmbr this

[alpine delta]

Yeah, I’ll prob focus on sg team for the next few months. As long as sg team doesn’t get invalidated in the near future I’m fine with the time and resource sink.

[tight grove]

sg teams have an easy upgrade waiting for them with an mpriv replacement

that's why i'm going the sg route over other possibilities i think this is something that can grow

[tight grove]

balice does the healing

improve her if thats what you need

[glossy thorn]

Mlb

[rose mango]

fucks sake man i would bang soda any day

ok i go now

goodnight

[tight grove]

hahaha

[frail prism]

Speaking for all of us

[spice kettle]

Is it being known already which cubes might work best for bunny soda?

[spice kettle]

Thats also something ill expect, but im also thinking about wingman and assault (as a pretty good option)

[fierce lake]

I'll just stick to the ol' reliable reload cube

forgot that alice doesn't actually give reload speed lmao

[spice kettle]

Still waiting for my adorable balice

[desert minnow]

Quick question. I read the pin for bsoda's team. But wouldnt she work with any constant B3 like alice, RH, asanis, etc?

[spice kettle]

But there is something what i dont really understand the different between both. Ill often see bastion as primary choice, nearly never wingman. Also when wingman is been called, its only when u dont give ammo OL ? Can anyone explain this for me?

Still usable i think, but she miss stacks than

So the more ammo OL the better bastion becomes?

Than why SG also often get bastion recommend above wingman? Since SG had less ammo

I mean SG just have basically 6/9 ammo

Which should give bastion lesser profit above wingman just a tough tho

Is there some line known, from how much ammo bastion beats wingman?

For example i dont give Noir ammo OL

Ah, got it. Thank you

They should fix other cubes as well. Since bastion and resilience dominate bit too much

[unborn wave]

some testing i did

rh sodab is iron weak

2nd is neutral

neutral

iron weak after this upgrade

iron weak again after that upgrade

keep in mind first test was 1:30

[summer lily]

is it assumed tove s2 is lvl10 here?

[fierce lake]

@unborn waveHonest not bad with that CP difference

and even then, RH can abuse coreshots too so that's another thing boosting her winning score

[unborn wave]

yeah

its great actually considering this is my RH

the boss is also super far away sometimes so that hurts sodab too

and this is with her not having tove

cause tove just makes her dps skyrocket

[fierce lake]

did a test of my own similar to yours, ele neutral

[lucid nest]

Shooting range lord class and shit gun has same dmg as le hu

Either soda claps le hu so hard on ele or you have 50% hit rate for whatever reason

[fierce lake]

My Soda's OL lines are pretty blessed

[unborn wave]

same

[fierce lake]

manual a bit on RH
I know that the burst extension hurts RH, but RH can be manual'd (plus coreshots) so I make that even

[unborn wave]

my current OLs

[fierce lake]

I have like three 11% atk lines

[unborn wave]

im probably gonna go for balance and go for 2 hit rates 2 ammo

cause tbh her radius on burst is really small already

and once I get leona its sleep

[lucid nest]

Ah i remember red is also crippled due to 15s fb

Nvm then

[fierce lake]

yeah, it hurts her a lot

[lucid nest]

U shud do 2 solo tests

One with soda and another b3 like privaty

Then replace soda with red

U will see a better picture

It is like the xlud vs mod back then

[fierce lake]

alright, both on manual then

[lucid nest]

People put them tgt and said xlud was lower than mod

She is lol, free 12% dmg on mod

But the moment you do isolate testing, it is no longer since mod cant abuse dmg taken from xlud

[unborn wave]

bsoda by herself with my hit rate before and after burst

compared to regular unbuffed sg

[lucid nest]

Rroar shared that with s1 lv 7

Soda would include her own atk buff into burst dmg in pvp

That is the most what the fk moment in this game

[unborn wave]

lmao

[unborn wave]

she’s basically just mpriv

[fierce lake]

because you don't have tove

[unborn wave]

no tove

[fierce lake]

duh, we're just doing it for fun

[lucid nest]

33 before burst?

[unborn wave]

yeah its just for fun

and also cause

i dont have privm or leona

so i cant do proper testing

[lucid nest]

Your s1 is lv 4 right?

[unborn wave]

ill do some slightly more accurate testing if I get balice

[lucid nest]

50

Drop to 33 before burst

You lost in total 17 stacks over 5 burst i assume

Probably because boss jumped too much

[fierce lake]

@lucid nestThere, now that's much more right in terms of damage

manual'd on RH

god bless OL lines giving CP

gonna FISH more of her with my stash of blue ticks after this patch

[unborn wave]

god bless this account

[magic brook]

dude I am so pissed that I dont have Maid privaty yet for this shotgun team lol

[unborn wave]

same

[magic brook]

I have Tove, Leona, and Soda but dont have Privaty

[fierce lake]

it's fine, just use something like suger

[cyan flame]

I'm jealous of the characters you got.

[fierce lake]

it's literally f2p tier (I only bought two 20$ packs to catch up)

[magic brook]

anything on Soda skill level recommendation?

[fierce lake]

pinne

[magic brook]

okay gotcha, for some reason I couldnt be able to grab hold of it

[lucid nest]

Seems like lv 7 is required against stupid hop around bosses

And lv 7 is essential for pvp too

Damn, no wonder they put her modifier at weird shit 600%

With that much atk, it is as same as mpriv base

[unborn wave]

better comparison

[unborn wave]

I shouldnt show my account then😭

[lucid nest]

So a soda blanc should nuke as hard as mpriv blanc but better burst gen

Yeah

U guys now have a better picture

[unborn wave]

im not even that whale

[cyan flame]

I just don't got normal Scarlet.

[fierce lake]

we have another pvp queen incoming?

[unborn wave]

most of my spending has gone towards skins

[lucid nest]

Also, liter is just shit on sg

[unborn wave]

yeah

[lucid nest]

Better maiden/mpriv

[unborn wave]

ill do a better comparison once I get tove running

cause liter/crown buffs red hood a lot more than it does soda

especially liter cause 1/3 uptime lol

[unborn wave]

tbf

[lucid nest]

We will finish soda review then shove mpriv down hmm

[unborn wave]

ive gotten 3 scarlets in the past like

6 months

[cyan flame]

3?

[lucid nest]

Tbf, u only need base shitlet

[unborn wave]

uh

what level is your tove

your leona is shit

why is she doing less than marciana

[alpine delta]

damn was just asking earlier Snow White or shotgun team

[unborn wave]

this is my account

[fierce lake]

gonna hold off testing with tove in case that
alice's feeding her stacks will also give stacks to others

[unborn wave]

it improves uptime by like 20%

[fierce lake]

that's pretty fucking good for a t4

[unborn wave]

that 750 is counting a LOT of stack dropping lol

it’ll break 1 bil

literally all teams do

i just typed this out for my union

one second

[magic brook]

so can Soda also be used that's not only Shotgun?

[unborn wave]

[warped kite]

the thing is all those units have some usage outside of that raid team

[lucid nest]

Nothing cant compare to crown

[unborn wave]

fair

but

huh

LOL

[lucid nest]

She is the god buffer for now

But liter lost to tove

[unborn wave]

calling t3 poop

[lucid nest]

And we still lack balice

So you still have to mald tove lol

5%

Fucking five percent

[unborn wave]

fair but sodab is worth the heavy investment cause she can go into other places and is also an insane pvp unit

[magic brook]

That's good to hear

[unborn wave]

they are good

they just need alice

[warped kite]

just one more investment

[unborn wave]

alice is like

probably at worst 4/10/4

[lucid nest]

Just one last investment

[unborn wave]

which is basically nothing in this day and age

[lucid nest]

I can check bald lice now

1/1/1

Or 4/4/4 whatever

No

I dream

Hmm

Auto shit gun has lower hit rate

I think u know huh?

Same as red hood

[unborn wave]

auto gonna aim at the air lol

[lucid nest]

Less core shot

[unborn wave]

no cubes….

[lucid nest]

No, the spread is bigger if u turn on auto

Literallt

[unborn wave]

SGs scale harder on cubes

also skill issue?

you’re literally 354 while im 280 and im scoring higher

tove boosts her more than crown

or roughly the same

naga is useless cause core buff

for nonexistent core hit

liter is 25% uptime

noir just giving some meager hit rate and attack% with ammo

ill do it again without crown if you really want me to

[stoic tartan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956169630400016384/1153507666732273736/1695074590470371.gif

[unborn wave]

my tove is super shit

but

my sodab still did more dmg

yeah

cause

i dont have a 2nd actual dps

if I had privM id beat you

this is my tove

💀

im not saving

I dont have the full team

i dont have leona or privm

what am I supposed to invest i to

air?

I spent

50 pulls for privM

didnt get her

leona I did skip but shes not the important one im missing

[tulip kiln]

So how good, exactly, would Bunny Soda be overall? Gotta know if I'm gonna need to pull for her

[unborn wave]

shes really good

[warped kite]

read pin

the long text

[unborn wave]

rough comparison

just from some testing

my sodab is not that good yet

maybe 70%

but yeah shes flexible and great in pvp too

[glossy thorn]

Same

[unborn wave]

honestly main issue with the SG team is that 3 members are water

and with sodab being so good thats just one spot for ele flex

[tulip kiln]

So basically she's a SG-team unit... and to think Tove is the only unit for that I happen to be missing. And the fact I am not at chapter 24 in campaign(N12,H2) gives me perspective.

[unborn wave]

no tove is dead

skip and wishlist

[robust needle]

Tobu

[tulip kiln]

Tove is dead?

[unborn wave]

no like

without tove the team is dead

tove is the sg team

[tulip kiln]

Oh. OK

[unborn wave]

bros just mad

im not?

i literally just told him to skip

dunno where the bricking is in that statement

[tulip kiln]

Still holding out for RH to come my way. At least I have my Liter, Centi, Crown, Mod, Rapu, SBS, etc.

[unborn wave]

yeah focus on leveling crown first

get her skills as high as possible asap

then work on either sbs or modernia

i think sbs is more beginner friendly though

SBS is maxed 10/7/10

do not go for 10/10/10

in the future when you’re able to

[tulip kiln]

Crown CE2 4-4-4, Mod LB1 4-4-4, SBS 4-4-4

[unborn wave]

nice

but yeah focus on crown first

her buffs are just crazy and great sustain for your team as well

[tulip kiln]

I want a Naga...

[unborn wave]

naga would be ideal

then you pair her with crown

you could use rapunzel for now instead though

crown liter modernia sbs rapunzel

[tulip kiln]

I have Noir and Tia, the game isn't giving me complete sets at all...

[unborn wave]

i had to get blanc from NY selector

i have yet to actually pull her

ik the pain

[tulip kiln]

I started during the Cheer Event (Bay release)

[unborn wave]

ah yeah im a player from the start but i quit during bunnies and all of summer lol

[tulip kiln]

I would use Rapu, but the same reason I'm not using Doro: Already got Max fitted out for B3 attacker

BTW, do we know what Bunny Alice skills will look like yet?

[fierce lake]

we literally have a thread for her

[tulip kiln]

Ah, I see the thread now. Yes

Well, hopefully I can use other units for event stages to make the bonus appear this time, since I wont have BSoda

[old sentinel]

Golden Skip

[oak coral]

The new Laplace thingy

Hits on full charge now

Not last bullet

I'm assuming this is what's being talked about

130% additional hit proc per full charge

[stoic tartan]

sgay i mis u

[fierce lake]

Our KING sky delivers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcQ1hjdgja4

[rose mango]

Was waiting for this

[thorny sleet]

have you built a shotgun team yet @rose mango

[fierce lake]

TLDR:

• MPriv has a high chance of being replaced if a new, better B3 SG is released in the future.
• Extremely competitive on bosses without consistent core exposures.

The second part is literally all new bosses in the current days

[thorny sleet]

only the rich kids can build a shotgun team, they change way too often

[rose mango]

Not yet
Haven't pulled her yet

Waiting for more pulls, 30 pulls and nthng for now

[thorny sleet]

my main pulled her in 30 pulls, my sub pulled 3 of her in 20 pulls (why is my free account getting all the luck?)

[rose mango]

I'm prolly gonna pull one and mileage the other, and just wait and be patient when it comes to treasure

I'm probably prepped to skip on units this summer
Getting Sneon landed me nowhere

[thorny sleet]

y did you pull sneon in the first place?

[rose mango]

Pull?

90 pulls + mileage

Reason:

[fierce lake]

I'm sorry.

[thorny sleet]

rip in pieces

[lucid nest]

170 pulls

no Mary, no Neon

I will revenge this summer

both are outclassed now but I gotta collect them all

[indigo shale]

oof

[tepid token]

I have MPriv full comp, and all have at least skill lv 7. So I only need to focus on BSoda from now on, right? 7/10/10?

[fierce lake]

pinne

[late knot]

I’ve had really good luck on pulls usually. 🅱️oda fucking shafted me lmao. 146 pulls one copy. But hey, got to lb2 red hood along the way

[wheat hill]

so that is a win

[opal lantern]

Biased toward Soda

Fake dps

RH needs more bursts and the extension chokes that kind of

From 14s to 19s per rot

RH doesnt burst enough lol

I didnt read ur msg after

Dont scold me

[opal lantern]

What did I say

PrivM has more damage

Lol

[charred swan]

outclassed by priv already

[opal lantern]

She has a bug.

[sturdy canopy]

[opal lantern]

A quite game breaking one.

[charred swan]

so you're saying it will be fixed between 4 to 8 months

[opal lantern]

[quartz orchid]

what bug

don’t you mean feature?

[unborn wave]

it was a 1/1/1 soda in the thumbnail

[charred swan]

not even letting me doompost smh

[lucid nest]

thx for the notice, was climbing yesterday

for your question, yes

Soda takes 5 frames after last bullet to cover. This is fine

[livid plinth]

can they please stop releasing shotgun team supports. I still dont have Tove. :C

[lucid nest]

She then jerks off around 49 frames

before finally start reloading

which takes 1/3 of her normal reload time

I don't know why they added that weird shit delay

but it freaking exists no matter what kind of reload you do with her (full/clip)

[fluid stag]

Climbing in wuwa?

[lucid nest]

nope, Nikke

[zealous peak]

i hope they do

[lucid nest]

base: 49 frames delay
with 44.35% reload from Crown: 33 frames delay
with 95.51% reload (Priv too): 14 frames delay

urrghh what the hell is this scaling

[red prawn]

soda being clumsy as a mechanic

[opal lantern]

They force u to full clip reload

Obciously

[lucid nest]

yeah

also more ammo is better than chasing reload

[opal lantern]

So 11 frames at 100% reload?

[lucid nest]

unless you can do high reload

[opal lantern]

49 frames at 0%?

[lucid nest]

kinda

[opal lantern]

So the only unit whose animation delay scales off reload?

Damn

[lucid nest]

with Tove, you shoot every 30 frames remember

so delay + reload + cover must stay within this 30 frames if you chase reload comp

[opal lantern]

Lower no

[lucid nest]

else, go full ammo

hm yeah, 28 frames

[opal lantern]

Hi guys rhe pinned my post is a bit wrong

[charred swan]

can't you edit it ?

[sweet panther]

I'm pretty sure I recorded this on my original frame data set

But for clip sg specifically

Each clip sg back in the day (pepper sugar drake) had a funky thing taking forever to start the reload after covering

[tight grove]

clip bad?

[sweet panther]

Clip has better gen by quite a bit iirc

It might have been them trying to incentive fully reloading the 3 clips instead of 1 at a time

[opal lantern]

The repaired version is only available on Prydwen.gg

[charred swan]

shameless plug

[sweet panther]

Wats wrong with it?

[opal lantern]

Uptime% didnt vary based on Tove/No Tove

I send u dm

[rose mango]

@fierce lake do u have a damage chart photo of
tove leona mPriv Soda Flex(ideally xMica for now)

from like, shooting range